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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] New Fellowship interview with Michiel de Jong on decentralised web apps platform 'Unhosted': http://blogs.fsfe.org/fellowship-interviews/ | Apr 24 00:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Doctor Who in 50 minutes #drwho | Apr 24 00:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @smoooom: @wayneborean covered in cats and puppies need help - look what happens the few times I leave the house :) | Apr 24 00:16 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz would love this | Apr 24 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.informit.com/store/product.aspx?isbn=0132103354 | Apr 24 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 24 00:20 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: May 4 panel at Columbia on WikiLeaks: http://indexoncensorship.org/Columbia/ http://bit.ly/fGJTzM | Apr 24 00:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @PearsonTechComm: Reputable team of scientists may have found Atlantis, guess how they think it was destroyed? http://bit.ly/fB78KT | Apr 24 00:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @bryonwilfert: Advanced polls are open 4 a few more hours 2night. Great way 2 beat the lines 4 #elxn41 in #RichmondHill. Also Monday 12-8 | Apr 24 00:38 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1hTZopwvuA | Apr 24 00:46 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Well been nearly an hour for us, so Happy Easter | Apr 24 00:57 |
| schestowitz | good news | Apr 24 00:58 |
| schestowitz | RMS has replied and agreed to be on techbytes | Apr 24 00:58 |
| sebsebseb | wow really | Apr 24 00:58 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Apr 24 00:58 |
| sebsebseb | cool | Apr 24 00:58 |
| sebsebseb | When? | Apr 24 00:59 |
| sebsebseb | also I am behind by a lot with it | Apr 24 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Gordon doesn't like RMS, AFAIK | Apr 24 00:59 |
| schestowitz | But Tim is cool with RMS | Apr 24 00:59 |
| sebsebseb | well me and Gordon don't get on | Apr 24 00:59 |
| schestowitz | I know... | Apr 24 00:59 |
| sebsebseb | oh and someone else has fell out with Gordon recently as well, after an Identica convo with him | Apr 24 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Same with daemonfc | Apr 24 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Same with daemonfc | Apr 24 00:59 |
| schestowitz | [00:20] <DaemonFC> schestowitz would love this | Apr 24 00:59 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: in fact it's Bruce remember him? | Apr 24 00:59 |
| schestowitz | [00:20] <DaemonFC> http://www.informit.com/store/product.aspx?isbn=0132103354 | Apr 24 00:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: InformIT: Introduction to Silverlight 4 LiveLessons (Video Training), Downloadable Video .::. Size~: 40.98 KB | Apr 24 01:00 |
| schestowitz | He's not that bad anymore | Apr 24 01:00 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: who's not that bad anymore? | Apr 24 01:00 |
| sebsebseb | anyway having RMS on Techbytes that's great :) | Apr 24 01:00 |
| schestowitz | bruce<number> yah.. | Apr 24 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes he redents me | Apr 24 01:00 |
| sebsebseb | should also bring the Techbytes downloads up by a lot | Apr 24 01:00 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: tim and I work on SIP recen\tly, getting some things set up there | Apr 24 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Just needs a little more testing | Apr 24 01:01 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I was about to say | Apr 24 01:01 |
| sebsebseb | ,but you got to use SIP to do Techbytes with RMS? | Apr 24 01:01 |
| schestowitz | yes | Apr 24 01:01 |
| sebsebseb | and maybe not provide the MP3 download? :D | Apr 24 01:01 |
| schestowitz | we do ogg | Apr 24 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Primarily | Apr 24 01:02 |
| sebsebseb | yeah, but I maen RMS might not want that episode to be in MP3 as well, since he is in it, you know | Apr 24 01:02 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and well if I was set up with this stuff, I could talk about Linux distro's and Mageia and so on | Apr 24 01:03 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and yeah I can get one of the founders to chat about Mageia on it like I said before, a Scottish guy | Apr 24 01:03 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/71769167 | Apr 24 01:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Danny (tekk)'s status on Saturday, 23-Apr-11 17:54:32 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz why not go with an ati/intel card and use opencl? | Apr 24 01:03 |
| schestowitz | not my choice. And Intel is very corrupt. | Apr 24 01:03 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: maybe best to wait untill June 1st, before chatting properly about Mageia and such on Techbytes though, because that's the stable release | Apr 24 01:04 |
| sebsebseb | and then yeah do it some time around then | Apr 24 01:04 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: add your name to http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Possible_TechBytes_Guests | Apr 24 01:04 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: also this other guy, would be most interseting to have talking about things, because I just plan to do some proper stuff on the community side | Apr 24 01:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @tekk not my choice. And Intel is very corrupt. | Apr 24 01:05 | |
| schestowitz | The funny thing is this | Apr 24 01:05 |
| schestowitz | It didn't occur to me that we could have RMS on the show | Apr 24 01:06 |
| schestowitz | But last night I had this unusual dream where he basically shows up and we have connection issues over SIP | Apr 24 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Strange dream, I know... but anyway, then I though, hey, why not invite him anyway? | Apr 24 01:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Richard Stallman has just said he would love to be on !techbytes http://is.gd/wUxzRV | Apr 24 01:06 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and got any contact with Linus? can maybe get him to go on it later, altough he's more so in the open source camp really it seems, not free software | Apr 24 01:07 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Linux is under GPL, beause it's a good lisesne a good development model, not so much about the freedoms that are gained | Apr 24 01:07 |
| Ender2070 | hey | Apr 24 01:07 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hence also why he doesn't want to lisence it under GPLv3 it seems | Apr 24 01:08 |
| Ender2070 | does anyone know of other operating systems that are FLOSS | Apr 24 01:08 |
| Ender2070 | non-linux | Apr 24 01:08 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: BSD | Apr 24 01:08 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: Haiku OS ( or whatever it's called) | Apr 24 01:08 |
| Ender2070 | I've seen Haiku | Apr 24 01:08 |
| sebsebseb | OpenSolaris ? | Apr 24 01:08 |
| sebsebseb | ReactOS | Apr 24 01:08 |
| Ender2070 | I know of solaris and the bsd's | Apr 24 01:08 |
| schestowitz | lol reactos | Apr 24 01:08 |
| Ender2070 | yeah lol | Apr 24 01:08 |
| sebsebseb | well ok it doesn't do much and is rather uhmm alpha | Apr 24 01:09 |
| schestowitz | [01:08] <Ender2070> does anyone know of other operating systems that are FLOSS | Apr 24 01:09 |
| sebsebseb | ,but still an OS | Apr 24 01:09 |
| schestowitz | It's not FLOSS, it's LOSS :-) | Apr 24 01:09 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: uhmm? | Apr 24 01:09 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: So when is RMS likely to be on Techbytes? | Apr 24 01:10 |
| Ender2070 | hmm BSD | Apr 24 01:12 |
| Ender2070 | doesnt really solve my issue though | Apr 24 01:12 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Why do you want Laurel L. Russwurm in a show? | Apr 24 01:12 |
| sebsebseb | also what's the (CA) in brakets on that page? | Apr 24 01:12 |
| Ender2070 | ewww | Apr 24 01:12 |
| Ender2070 | what does Laurel have to do with FLOSS | Apr 24 01:12 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: not much I guess, except being a Ubuntu user, Roy Schestowitz fan, a major Identica user, and going by identica something about her doing her own book with open fonts or something | Apr 24 01:13 |
| Ender2070 | shes not an ubuntu user | Apr 24 01:13 |
| Ender2070 | shes a windows user | Apr 24 01:13 |
| sebsebseb | no as far as I know she uses Ubuntu, or if you want to be more exact, Ubuntu and Windows | Apr 24 01:13 |
| Ender2070 | her dents are all canadian politics too | Apr 24 01:13 |
| sebsebseb | indeed I have seen quite a few of her dents | Apr 24 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | most of them don't interest me | Apr 24 01:14 |
| Ender2070 | her so called book was designed in windows | Apr 24 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: oh wait you got it wrong | Apr 24 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: she complains about people not having avatars here and there as well | Apr 24 01:14 |
| Ender2070 | she was complaining about not being able to use the fonts | Apr 24 01:14 |
| Ender2070 | she didnt like the linux fonts, designed her book in windows and then got mad that she didnt have a royalty free license for the ms core fonts | Apr 24 01:15 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Apr 24 01:15 |
| Ender2070 | i follow her too but i've been one of her biggest critics | Apr 24 01:15 |
| Ender2070 | she doesnt do anything, she just complains | Apr 24 01:15 |
| Ender2070 | shes been using Flanigan as ammo for the left wing to attack harper, without filing a single police or rcmp report herself | Apr 24 01:16 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: and she's a Roy Schestowitz fan like I said earlier | Apr 24 01:16 |
| sebsebseb | and I think schestowitz is a fan of her as well | Apr 24 01:16 |
| Ender2070 | he might be a fan of her | Apr 24 01:16 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: ,but if she wants to gest talk about techrights and stuff to do with Linux and what not on Techbytes, well I am ok with that | Apr 24 01:17 |
| Ender2070 | it would explain why shes allowed to have political dents republished in this channel | Apr 24 01:17 |
| sebsebseb | I guess schestowitz would ask her some tech related questions, and she answers and yep :) | Apr 24 01:17 |
| Ender2070 | i was removed from being republished for having political dents/tweets | Apr 24 01:17 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: oh? | Apr 24 01:18 |
| Ender2070 | yeah you haven't noticed? | Apr 24 01:18 |
| sebsebseb | well I guess I had before or something, just not really thought of it though ,in that case | Apr 24 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | ,but when you say it indeed, there hasn't really been much coming in from ender | Apr 24 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: altough schestowitz has wikileaks coming in, and as far as I know that's polotics! | Apr 24 01:19 |
| Ender2070 | just when roy pushes a link to one of my tweets which he finds emusing | Apr 24 01:19 |
| Ender2070 | amusing | Apr 24 01:19 |
| Ender2070 | wikileaks is approved politics though | Apr 24 01:20 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: a part of me would want to unsubscribe from laurel and bkuhm, but well I get loads of other peoples junk coming in anyway | Apr 24 01:20 |
| sebsebseb | I am subscribed to a few people who are unlikely to subscribe to me, bkuhm and popey for example | Apr 24 01:21 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: and since I am in the Ubuntu group on there, oh yes I get a lot of spam | Apr 24 01:21 |
| Ender2070 | i have an audience that isn't all FLOSS people so I end up hanging out on twitter most of the time | Apr 24 01:21 |
| sebsebseb | oh and from the Linux outlaws group as well, by the way I been in the group on identica for quite a while, and been in the IRC before, but still not listended to a Linux outlaws | Apr 24 01:22 |
| Ender2070 | i only use identica if im publishing links I want people to see from both services | Apr 24 01:22 |
| sebsebseb | well Identica has people who aren't geeks on it as well I guess, and those who aren't much of a geek I guess | Apr 24 01:22 |
| Ender2070 | not very many | Apr 24 01:23 |
| Ender2070 | laurel was boasting about her 100+ dents in one day | Apr 24 01:23 |
| Ender2070 | twitter would laugh | Apr 24 01:23 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: well I may be able to get a Scottish woman to sign up, she uses Ubuntu and WIndows, but new to Ubuntu really and uhmm | Apr 24 01:23 |
| sebsebseb | well not really that much into computers, wants to learn more though :) | Apr 24 01:23 |
| Ender2070 | good for her but she won't learn by using ubuntu | Apr 24 01:23 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: I thought laurel's messages go on Twitter as well | Apr 24 01:24 |
| sebsebseb | well can learn some stuff by using Ubuntu, but then yes it's best to move on to another distro to learn more stuff :) | Apr 24 01:24 |
| Ender2070 | I learned the most from Gentoo | Apr 24 01:24 |
| sebsebseb | also Linux doesn't have to be really technical, I mean loads of commands and so on | Apr 24 01:25 |
| Ender2070 | it doesnt have to be | Apr 24 01:26 |
| Ender2070 | im in the market actually for something different than what we have right now | Apr 24 01:26 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: so am I | Apr 24 01:26 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: Mageia :D | Apr 24 01:26 |
| sebsebseb | except | Apr 24 01:26 |
| Ender2070 | I want to get away from the idea of files/directories | Apr 24 01:26 |
| sebsebseb | the first stable version on June 1st, will be very much so like Mandriva really, well the old Mandriva | Apr 24 01:26 |
| Ender2070 | im thinking more radical than Mageia | Apr 24 01:26 |
| Ender2070 | there needs to be a filesystem that at least hides itself from the user | Apr 24 01:27 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then Gnome 3 and such in the next release it seems, and well Mageia should start getting quite the user base I think | Apr 24 01:27 |
| sebsebseb | I think we need another good distro to compete against Ubuntu | Apr 24 01:27 |
| Ender2070 | gives the user a tag based system | Apr 24 01:27 |
| sebsebseb | ,but you may not like me saying it really, but yep Fedora as well | Apr 24 01:27 |
| sebsebseb | also Fedora isn't really for the new users at the moment, well it can be sort of, but Linux Mint would be more suitable for example | Apr 24 01:28 |
| Ender2070 | for new users | Apr 24 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | altough yeah there's this Fusion Linux now | Apr 24 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | I did download the ISO | Apr 24 01:28 |
| Ender2070 | I'd still suggest Fedora | Apr 24 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | and burnt to a DVD, but some issue with teh DVD it semes | Apr 24 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | Fusion Linux based on Fedora, and like LInux Mint, well that's something | Apr 24 01:28 |
| Ender2070 | Fusion Linux kind of sucks | Apr 24 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | codecs, and loads of software by defualt | Apr 24 01:28 |
| Ender2070 | it went beyond just adding codecs | Apr 24 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: your not the target audiance though | Apr 24 01:29 |
| Ender2070 | I should be | Apr 24 01:29 |
| that's one I will have to listen to -> (05:03:48 PM) schestowitz: RMS has replied and agreed to be on techbytes | Apr 24 01:29 | |
| Ender2070 | I dont really like installing codecs either | Apr 24 01:29 |
| Ender2070 | but id rather not use Fusion, which comes with proprietary software | Apr 24 01:29 |
| Ender2070 | Teamviewer | Apr 24 01:29 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: also we arent' the target audiance of Ubuntu 11.04, in fact take a read of this one http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/ubuntu-linux-1104s-target-audience-casual-windows-users/8723?tag=mantle_skin;content | Apr 24 01:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ubuntu Linux 11.04's Target Audience: Casual Windows Users | ZDNet .::. Size~: 130.55 KB | Apr 24 01:29 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: indeed :) | Apr 24 01:29 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: also I am trying to listen in order, but well, I may have to brake that for the RMS episode, if I am still way behind | Apr 24 01:30 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: so far been listening in order from the test episode, to the well next one I am meant to be listening to | Apr 24 01:30 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: having propritary software pre installed, makes things easier, for new users though, useualley | Apr 24 01:31 |
| sebsebseb | people who have come from Windows or Mac OS X | Apr 24 01:31 |
| Ender2070 | it doesnt have to come with teamviewer and stuff ill want to uninstall after | Apr 24 01:31 |
| Ender2070 | I just want Fedora + Codecs | Apr 24 01:31 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: oh sure it would be nice if most software was free software, but no we live in a world mose people use money, so well dream on | Apr 24 01:32 |
| sebsebseb | and where most people are consumers | Apr 24 01:32 |
| sebsebseb | also known as idiots by many companies I guess | Apr 24 01:32 |
| somehow I don't have time to listen to any of them | Apr 24 01:32 | |
| I've downloaded a few but never got around to it | Apr 24 01:33 | |
| sebsebseb | twitter: I would rather listen to music on the computer, than voices, but Techbytes well it's worth the listen, well not always | Apr 24 01:33 |
| sebsebseb | Techbytes it depends really, sometimes they talk aout a load of junk and it's like uh | Apr 24 01:33 |
| sebsebseb | other times it's great :) | Apr 24 01:33 |
| sebsebseb | also if I am doing something else on the computer and it's not that interesting, a lot of what they say, I wont' really take in properly | Apr 24 01:33 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: I have time, but wel, I want to read Linux news online, or chat on IRC, but uhmm there's a Richard Stallman video I still haven't seen properly, also I still havent' seen that video of Mark Shuttleworth (well had it open on the page before I think) at UDS in Florida in October 2010 announceing Unity for 11.04 and that | Apr 24 01:35 |
| sebsebseb | for what should be obvious enough reasons, if you have seen enough stuff that I have typed :D well yeah it should be quite obvious why seeing that Mark video hasn't really been a priority for me :) | Apr 24 01:35 |
| sebsebseb | I saws a short video of him recently at Dell with someone, talking about things | Apr 24 01:36 |
| sebsebseb | a video from Januarey I think it was | Apr 24 01:36 |
| Ender2070 | I dont have a problem with Unity anymore | Apr 24 01:36 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: Oh? | Apr 24 01:36 |
| Ender2070 | seems to be okay for netbooks | Apr 24 01:36 |
| sebsebseb | well it's got the copyright assignment issue still sure, but | Apr 24 01:36 |
| Ender2070 | I dont contribute code | Apr 24 01:36 |
| sebsebseb | well I been thinking about things as well | Apr 24 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | how for example Firefox 4 and Chrome are going to say Linux in user agent strings and not a distro anymore | Apr 24 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | unless running on Android for example, and well how maybe | Apr 24 01:37 |
| Ender2070 | it'll take a lot to replace jolicloud on my netbook though | Apr 24 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | that's a goo thing really | Apr 24 01:37 |
| Ender2070 | user agent strings need to die | Apr 24 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | I mean, Ubuntuk, Fedora, Mageia, Mandriva, Linux Mint, Fusion Linux, PC Linux OS, Arch Linux, Gentoo, Slackware, Sabayon, the Ender2070 fan club Linux distro, well they are all Linux distro's | Apr 24 01:38 |
| sebsebseb | they are all Linux, ok expect for that last one I guess, because as far as I know that doesn't really exist, but well if you were Hannah Montana you would have such an OS, yep Hannoah Montana based on Kubuntu exists | Apr 24 01:38 |
| sebsebseb | Hannah Montana OS above | Apr 24 01:38 |
| Ender2070 | I could make my own Fedora spin | Apr 24 01:38 |
| sebsebseb | we have types of Linux distro, as you know, Destkop Linux, server Linux, robotic LInux, etc | Apr 24 01:39 |
| Ender2070 | non linux: Haiku, Solaris, PC-BSD, Free-BSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, L4, Hurd | Apr 24 01:39 |
| sebsebseb | ,but distro's that are in the type, or at least for desktop and servers, tend to run pretty much the same software really, a Linux kernel and xorg and what not | Apr 24 01:39 |
| sebsebseb | so maybe it's a good thing that most Firefox and Chrome user agents strings will just say Linux instead of Linux and a distro like I was saying | Apr 24 01:40 |
| sebsebseb | or at least when Ubuntu loses quite a lot more users to other distro's :) | Apr 24 01:40 |
| sebsebseb | and distrowise things are more even. | Apr 24 01:40 |
| sebsebseb | at the moment if I see a Firefox user agent string that says only Linux in it, I would probbly think they were running Ubuntu hmm | Apr 24 01:40 |
| sebsebseb | anyway whilst on my 11.04 Beta 2 where I did the Gnome 3 ppa wrongly and ended up with a cross between Gnome 2 and Gnome 3 instead, I am happy with it only saying Linux in the UA :) | Apr 24 01:41 |
| Ender2070 | ahh | Apr 24 01:41 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: why ahh? | Apr 24 01:42 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: anyway yep that's right I have tried Unity 3D and 2D, not customising the compiz version with hte compiz settings though, and want Gnome 3 working properly, but now waiting for the final | Apr 24 01:44 |
| sebsebseb | also had isseus with a lot of Live CD's where I was meant to be able to get Gnome Shell | Apr 24 01:44 |
| sebsebseb | anyway | Apr 24 01:44 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: I have also been thinking about Unity, and the software centre offering commerical apps, and the software suggestions in Unity and that kind of thing, how they are training wheels reallly. | Apr 24 01:44 |
| sebsebseb | newbie/noob features | Apr 24 01:44 |
| sebsebseb | and well quite a lot of people move on from noob distros anyway, to better distro's, so :D | Apr 24 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | really Ubuntu should be like Linux Mint, what for many is a first stepping stone distro, their first distro, after using WIndows or/and Mac OS X | Apr 24 01:45 |
| Ender2070 | tried unity earlier in virtualbox and it didnt work | Apr 24 01:46 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Apr 24 01:46 |
| sebsebseb | and where quite a lot of the helpers are using other distro's, well that's the case with Linux Mint, in the case of Ubuntu not quite | Apr 24 01:46 |
| sebsebseb | one of the community members I find out last night, is using Debian not Ubuntu | Apr 24 01:46 |
| sebsebseb | also it does work in Virtualbox if you set things up right, and I can give you a great link about that | Apr 24 01:46 |
| Ender2070 | sure | Apr 24 01:46 |
| sebsebseb | not tried it msyelf in Virtualbox, but yes, the link I can give you, do what it says, and it should work | Apr 24 01:47 |
| sebsebseb | oh and you would need some sort of hardware acceleration on the host I think | Apr 24 01:47 |
| debian will probably modify that to day gnu/linux, gnu/hurd or gnu/bsd as appropriate -> sebsebseb: how for example Firefox 4 and Chrome are going to say Linux in user agent strings and not a distro anymore | Apr 24 01:47 | |
| I should check the user agent string right now. | Apr 24 01:48 | |
| sebsebseb | twitter: Firefox Linux user agent strings, most of them, would say the distro that was being used as well, but not anymore | Apr 24 01:48 |
| sebsebseb | starting with Firefox 4 | Apr 24 01:48 |
| sebsebseb | and Chrome and Chromreium have already done it or will do so soon, do something exactly the same | Apr 24 01:48 |
| sebsebseb | and why, because Internet Explorer 9 was removing more stuff from the UA | Apr 24 01:48 |
| sebsebseb | they remove a bit more than just the distro's by the way | Apr 24 01:48 |
| sebsebseb | and then you can't just change the user agent string like before with Firefox 4, to have it like before either | Apr 24 01:49 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: and well as far as I know the only way to get a proper idea how many users are on a Linux distro, is to use user agent strings in browsers, or to have the distro sites them selves monitoring the downloads like Mozilla did with Firefox 4 http://glow.mozilla.org | Apr 24 01:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Firefox 4 Download Stats .::. Size~: 5.34 KB | Apr 24 01:50 |
| sebsebseb | of course for the Firefox 4 downloads, loads of Linux distro repo's downloads won't count for example | Apr 24 01:50 |
| har har, I like their answer here http://www.konqueror.org/faq/#AsanauthorofawebsitehowcanIidentifyKonquerorfromotherbrowsers | Apr 24 01:51 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Konqueror - Konqueror FAQ .::. Size~: 24.79 KB | Apr 24 01:51 |
| check for features, not browsers you lazy fool! | Apr 24 01:51 | |
| the user should always be able to set user agent to get around stupid web sites | Apr 24 01:52 | |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: : http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/04/21/ubuntu-natty-in-virtualbox-with-unity/ | Apr 24 01:52 |
| sebsebseb | : http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/04/21/ubuntu-natty-in-virtualbox-with-unity/ | Apr 24 01:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Open Sourcerer » Ubuntu Natty in Virtualbox with Unity .::. Size~: 49.36 KB | Apr 24 01:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Open Sourcerer » Ubuntu Natty in Virtualbox with Unity .::. Size~: 49.36 KB | Apr 24 01:53 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: the not showing Ubuntu in Firefox user agent string anymore, effects yep Ubuntu/Canonical their apt site | Apr 24 01:53 |
| sebsebseb | it detects for Ubuntu | Apr 24 01:53 |
| sebsebseb | there was something on Launchpad about that | Apr 24 01:53 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: and I like what MPT from the Canonical design team basically said on there, if they are going to show Android, then they should show the distro's, because there are loads of them | Apr 24 01:53 |
| sebsebseb | not everyone is using Ubuntu | Apr 24 01:54 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: if I look at my old bookmarks in a file, I could probably find the link for that, but not so much up for that | Apr 24 01:54 |
| I have "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/4.4; Linux) KHTML/4.4.5 (like Gecko)" with debian gnu/linux as my UA | Apr 24 01:55 | |
| sebsebseb | twitter: and then there's this idea that showing less info to web servers means more privacy, uh maybe so, but if I am on a Linux distro that I am happy using, then I want to tell website statistics that, and hope that someone will see that :) | Apr 24 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: if I am on a distro that I don't really want to be telling website statistics that I am using such as Ubuntu for example, then well that's fine only having Linux showing :) | Apr 24 01:56 |
| It's a user decision, but sometimes it's not a choice. Konqueror does domain specific UA to get around places that require IE and other idiot practices. | Apr 24 01:58 | |
| those idiot sites are usually not worth visiting but sometimes are forced by work - Microsoft is good at that kind of force | Apr 24 01:58 | |
| sebsebseb | twitter: no it used to be a user decission in the case of Firefox | Apr 24 01:58 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: it is no longer a user decission as of Friefox 4 | Apr 24 01:58 |
| that is foolish of Mozilla | Apr 24 01:58 | |
| sebsebseb | unless you uhmm well there's some sort of complete way to change the user agent string, but not recommended | Apr 24 01:59 |
| sebsebseb | if you start adding in your own user agent string yourself, it will remove the part about using another distor | Apr 24 01:59 |
| I'll bet Iceweasle keeps the feature | Apr 24 01:59 | |
| sebsebseb | I mean if you start adding in the distro yourself to the user agent string | Apr 24 01:59 |
| sebsebseb | it will remove that | Apr 24 01:59 |
| that can't be right | Apr 24 01:59 | |
| sebsebseb | in fact if you open up a profile that was used in Firefox 3 series, in Firefox 4, it will then remove the distro from the user agent string | Apr 24 01:59 |
| sebsebseb | and yes it is | Apr 24 01:59 |
| sebsebseb | I had a week or so messing around with the user agent string | Apr 24 02:00 |
| sebsebseb | after I upgraded to Firefox 4 in PC LInux OS | Apr 24 02:00 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: anyway http://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/09/final-user-agent-string-for-firefox-4/ and there's a similar page out there for Chrome and Chromium as well | Apr 24 02:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Final User Agent String for Firefox 4 ✩ Mozilla Hacks – the Web developer blog .::. Size~: 96.71 KB | Apr 24 02:00 |
| sebsebseb | http://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/09/final-user-agent-string-for-firefox-4/ | Apr 24 02:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Final User Agent String for Firefox 4 ✩ Mozilla Hacks – the Web developer blog .::. Size~: 96.71 KB | Apr 24 02:00 |
| this sounds like a malicious feature that sensible distros will remove, I'll have to read your page | Apr 24 02:00 | |
| I hate having to hack my browser to make it do what I want, that's part of the reason I use Konqueror | Apr 24 02:01 | |
| sebsebseb | twitter: I think I read that Seamonkey was going to get the change as well, but last time I used Seamonkey which wasn't that long ago, well it was ok :) not sure if I had the very latest version though | Apr 24 02:01 |
| sebsebseb | yeah exactly bingo | Apr 24 02:01 |
| sebsebseb | also they no longer show the user agent in about > Firefox in Firefox 4 which is something that got at me as well, but well recently I found out about a nice extention for showing user agent :D | Apr 24 02:02 |
| sebsebseb | shows the brwoser headers | Apr 24 02:02 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: I think Firefox is on the verge of going down hill now really, from everything I have seen of Firefox 4 | Apr 24 02:03 |
| sebsebseb | the user agent stupidity | Apr 24 02:03 |
| sebsebseb | no proper end user features that are seen as well | Apr 24 02:03 |
| sebsebseb | also they are going to come out with Firefox 5, 6, and 7 this year as well, that's the plan | Apr 24 02:03 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: to me looking at software, loads of the already main streame software isn't that great really, Windows, Microsoft Office, Mac OS X probably even, but not used that properly ever | Apr 24 02:04 |
| sebsebseb | Adobe Photoshop? | Apr 24 02:04 |
| sebsebseb | and also software that is trying to go main streame, starts to go down hill I find, well going by Ubuntu anyway, since 9.04 was in development | Apr 24 02:04 |
| sebsebseb | and Ubuntu kept on going hmm and hmm and hmm and hmm and 10.04 was horrible really, but most users have no idea | Apr 24 02:05 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: problem is with brwosers, there aren't really that many great alternatives to Firefox right now, not even here in Linux distro's where when it comes to real brwosers, so not IE shell's, and real browsers that are decent, we probably got quite a lot more choice than Windows | Apr 24 02:06 |
| It looks like users will still be able to add distro to their UA in Firefox though the browser or through plugins | Apr 24 02:08 | |
| sebsebseb | twitter: try it yourself in Firefox 4, in about:config with | Apr 24 02:08 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: well yeah in about:config and it will probably remove it on you, like I was saying | Apr 24 02:09 |
| sebsebseb | been there done that, many times | Apr 24 02:09 |
| Konqueror, Midori, Ephiphany, not to mention Iceweasel and other browsers are great alternatives to Firefox | Apr 24 02:09 | |
| sebsebseb | twitter: and how did I add it in, I made a new string in about:config, making a new string seemed to be the way to do it, then I called it like Seamonkey. general.useragent.vendor | Apr 24 02:10 |
| sebsebseb | midori is a bit hmm, epiphany same thing | Apr 24 02:10 |
| sebsebseb | Konqueror is nice yes | Apr 24 02:10 |
| sebsebseb | I nearly went Opera, but | Apr 24 02:10 |
| the Firefox platform portion of the string looks "standardized" how the gecko people like. it should be easy for a script to add things after the official UA | Apr 24 02:11 | |
| sebsebseb | I mean I nearly tried out Opera for my first itme properly for a while, after the Firefox 4 upgrade I did in PCLOS that I knew I would regret | Apr 24 02:11 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then with Opera, it was like, how do I show book marks like Firefox? and stuffl ike that | Apr 24 02:11 |
| sebsebseb | ,but featuerwise Opera and Firefox 4 by default, quite similar | Apr 24 02:11 |
| chromium browser is also nice | Apr 24 02:12 | |
| sebsebseb | twitter: I think it's a good thing the distro's being mentione in user agent strings for brwosers | Apr 24 02:12 |
| sebsebseb | if they watn to remove thinsg like the U in the Firefox user agent string, and the langauge stuff, well so be it | Apr 24 02:12 |
| sebsebseb | ,but having the browser itself, OS, and in the case of Linux the distro showing, well that's great :) | Apr 24 02:12 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: no Chromium is ah for me! | Apr 24 02:12 |
| sebsebseb | first of all the interface reminds me of Internet Explorer 7 that's for Chromium and Chrome | Apr 24 02:12 |
| me too and the whole issue of analysis seems strange, it should be easy to parse for distros if people actually wanted to do that | Apr 24 02:13 | |
| sebsebseb | all this like stuff on the right next to the URL bar and that kind of thing, also with Chromium/Chrome again I had issues bookmarking and what not, I am very used to Firefox | Apr 24 02:13 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: you to what? agreeing that UA's should show the distro? | Apr 24 02:13 |
| I'm agreeing that UAs should show whatever the user wants | Apr 24 02:14 | |
| sebsebseb | well yes, and by default they should be like befoer showing the distro I think :) | Apr 24 02:14 |
| that does not really complicate the analysis | Apr 24 02:14 | |
| sebsebseb | of course Mozilla probably doesn't think like me | Apr 24 02:14 |
| sebsebseb | well | Apr 24 02:14 |
| it should be easy enough to parse for distro names if you want | Apr 24 02:14 | |
| sebsebseb | Firefox user agent strings are one way, to get an idea about Linux distro market share | Apr 24 02:14 |
| sebsebseb | even on Windows, if I am using a browser on Windows, I would think probably or possibily about how maybe some how, I am actsaully contributing to Windows market share whilst doing so | Apr 24 02:15 |
| sebsebseb | same thing if I am running a browser in Wine, I mean when it says Windows in the UA | Apr 24 02:15 |
| sebsebseb | then again I woudn't go on sites that are being used for getting an idea, about how many people are on a distro I guess, but still | Apr 24 02:15 |
| you should be worried about more than that if you are browsing with Windows | Apr 24 02:16 | |
| sebsebseb | if you mean the amount of security issues there can be, well sure | Apr 24 02:16 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: in the case of Internet Explorer 9 removing mroe stuff from the UA I think that makes sense for Microsoft, I mean spyware toolbars can add to it for example | Apr 24 02:16 |
| sebsebseb | on the other hand, well a technical user could look at the UA quickly, to see if any malware added to it | Apr 24 02:17 |
| Nothing from Microsoft makes sense | Apr 24 02:17 | |
| sebsebseb | twitter: Internet Explorer 10 is Windows 7 only by the way | Apr 24 02:18 |
| sebsebseb | and I guess Windows 8 could run it, when that's out | Apr 24 02:18 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: anyway I mentioned the UA thing in Mageia channels a few times not that long ago, but no one who was replying seemed to care much | Apr 24 02:19 |
| sebsebseb | also apparnalty on distrowatch it was number 19 not that long ago | Apr 24 02:19 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: maybe distro's should haev a built in option, for being part of stats for that distro | Apr 24 02:20 |
| sebsebseb | for distro's | Apr 24 02:20 |
| sebsebseb | that would sort out the market share issues out quite well | Apr 24 02:20 |
| sebsebseb | about how many people are using distro names goes here. and how much market share does Desktop Linux really have or about how much does it realy have when compared against Windows and Mac OS X | Apr 24 02:20 |
| lol http://intrepidusgroup.com/insight/2010/06/identifying-malware-via-user-agent-headers/ | Apr 24 02:20 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Identifying Malware via User-Agent Headers – Intrepidus Group - Insight .::. Size~: 29.54 KB | Apr 24 02:21 |
| sebsebseb | oh you looked that up or what? | Apr 24 02:21 |
| Yes, it's very funny that malware authors would advertise | Apr 24 02:22 | |
| the graph is funny for nothing other than showing how crawling the Windows world is http://intrepidusgroup.com/insight/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/phishme.png | Apr 24 02:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | Apr 24 02:23 |
| I should check my logs | Apr 24 02:23 | |
| sebsebseb | twitter: I remember funwebproducts when seeing the ua as an example | Apr 24 02:23 |
| sebsebseb | Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; FunWebProducts; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727) | Apr 24 02:23 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: I lost a site I made for someone, code was good hand coded valided at W3C nice code, design not that good at all, and here's the joke, the sad joke, it got replaced by a Frontpage site! | Apr 24 02:24 |
| sebsebseb | after about four or five years, he wanted me to make a basic site and I did and yeah | Apr 24 02:24 |
| sebsebseb | got paid something for it | Apr 24 02:24 |
| sebsebseb | even got an email asking if I knew the log in details still, and that he wanted the site re vamped, saw that about a month later though, and then went on the site, and yep replaced | Apr 24 02:25 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: anyway I used to look at the website statistics for that site every now and again :) | Apr 24 02:25 |
| sebsebseb | and I lost a site I made, and well I got one site online stil that I made with someone, and well, that needs some sorting out really I think, probably needs a bit of updating really, and the stats could be sorted out | Apr 24 02:25 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah it can be fun looking at website statistics when having a site :) | Apr 24 02:26 |
| sebsebseb | espesailly if you can see Linux in there, and then see what distro's people were on, but like I was saying, Firefox and Chrome Chromeium are messing this up | Apr 24 02:26 |
| Konq does not, by default show distro name. what a shame | Apr 24 02:31 | |
| sebsebseb | twitter: ah yes, but it can be added in quite easilly without a big problem :) | Apr 24 02:31 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: also if you think about it for Konq not that big of a deal, most users of it are technical and probably used Linux on the desktop for quite a long time for msot of them | Apr 24 02:32 |
| sebsebseb | plus it's not used by that many people anyway | Apr 24 02:32 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: anyway I remember trying Konqueorr Kubuntu's Konuqeror whenever it was now, and well yep it had Kubuntu in the UA rather than Ubuntu :) | Apr 24 02:33 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: anyway that article mentions some site, some example site they ran? | Apr 24 02:33 |
| sebsebseb | some test site I guess? | Apr 24 02:33 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: or we go to the site and get malware on our computers if running Windows with Internet Explorer? :D | Apr 24 02:34 |
| kbuntu does that, it seems to go in circles. My point is that it should be easy for users to change in general but does not seem to be that way with Konqueror 4 serries. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/332339 | Apr 24 02:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bug #332339 in kde4libs (Ubuntu): “konqueror user agent string does not include distro ID” .::. Size~: 39.6 KB | Apr 24 02:38 |
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| sebsebseb | twitter: yeah browsers and there silly UA stuff here and there I guess, but Firefox and Chrome and Chromrium will be the worst for this! | Apr 24 02:41 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: anyway I want to watch a film really tonight, so bye for now | Apr 24 02:42 |
| http://www.nczonline.net/blog/2010/01/12/history-of-the-user-agent-string/ | Apr 24 02:56 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: History of the user-agent string | NCZOnline .::. Size~: 41.47 KB | Apr 24 02:56 |
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| sebsebseb | twitter: well I am still here just about | Apr 24 02:58 |
| sebsebseb | ,but whatever that link is, sure that should be interesting | Apr 24 02:58 |
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| sebsebseb | twitter: yeah thanks for that link | Apr 24 02:58 |
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| Ziomatrix | what are your opinions on if the latest PSN outage was done through third party hacking? | Apr 24 02:59 |
| living wages and Walmart http://www.alternet.org/economy/150685/if_walmart_paid_its_1.4_million_u.s._workers_a_living_wage,_it_would_result_in_almost_no_pain_for_the_average_customer?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=alternet | Apr 24 02:59 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: If Walmart Paid its 1.4 Million U.S. Workers a Living Wage, it Would Result in Almost No Pain for the Average Customer | Economy | AlterNet .::. Size~: 106.14 KB | Apr 24 02:59 |
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| Ziomatrix | twitter: you know they wouldn't do that for their bottom line. Plus "living wage" is entirely dependent upon state and town. | Apr 24 03:01 |
| in the article, living wage is defined as $12/hour - I take that as an average. | Apr 24 03:01 | |
| Ziomatrix | twitter: usually Walmarts are built in the lowest income areas, however a "living wage" in a higher tax state such as New Jersey is definitely much higher then that of Wisconsin. | Apr 24 03:01 |
| do you have links for PSN outage? | Apr 24 03:01 | |
| Ziomatrix | twitter: LOL, then basically 90% of retailers operate at a sub-standard wage | Apr 24 03:02 |
| well, yes | Apr 24 03:02 | |
| substantially sub standard | Apr 24 03:02 | |
| Ziomatrix | I know schestowitz doesn't like this site but here it is: http://cnet.co/dEWrOZ | Apr 24 03:03 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Watching #Drwho on I player | Apr 24 03:03 | |
| Walmart's success was built on avoiding slums, actually, and on stocking things that never expire - it's the same strategy that all post WW2 retailers employed | Apr 24 03:03 | |
| Ziomatrix | twitter: in fact I know places that throw hissy fits and try to can people working for $10 an hour | Apr 24 03:04 |
| Winn-Dixie pays minimum and so do many other places, sure. According to the study presented above, it's all petty and would not add much to the cost of goods. | Apr 24 03:05 | |
| Ziomatrix | twitter: well the later flies against what supermarkets do, and Walmart is starting to dabble in groceries in certain areas. | Apr 24 03:05 |
| Ziomatrix | twitter: whenever I see a Walmart its always in some far flung strip mall, in a rural area or by a semi-urban slum. | Apr 24 03:06 |
| that they hold wages down is probably more an issue of labor control than store profits. underpaid labor is more dependent on their job and more exploitable than well paid labor | Apr 24 03:06 | |
| Ziomatrix | twitter: however, they make sure its always in easy distance of better neighborhoods or highways | Apr 24 03:07 |
| Walmart's move to slums represents a change in strategy that happened after Walton's death, same with groceries | Apr 24 03:07 | |
| Ziomatrix | twitter: whatever happened to a happy worker being a productive one? :-( | Apr 24 03:07 |
| you misquote Moses, I think, who was talking about slaves | Apr 24 03:08 | |
| I'm not an MBA type so I don't know what maximizes profit or motivation, I can only sigh at the greed and unnecessary suffering | Apr 24 03:09 | |
| Ziomatrix | twitter: well when you learn basic business you're usually taught that positive incentives for employees are needed. | Apr 24 03:10 |
| Ziomatrix | twitter: I think the fact that employers are looking towards human labor as another mere commodity akin to plantations can be a problem. | Apr 24 03:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #DrWho assisting Richard Nixon I am not sure I like where this is going. Still watch and see. | Apr 24 03:11 | |
| Ziomatrix | twitter: also the fact that every action taken by business owners as though they're in a bubble. | Apr 24 03:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Are polls inaccurate as announced in the media? http://is.gd/csbdOD #elxn41 #cdnpoli | Apr 24 03:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @missoularedhead: Times/USC poll: California voters support using tax hikes to help close budget gap - latimes.com http://t.co/0JzkYpL | Apr 24 03:18 | |
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| http://www.alternet.org/world/150697/chomsky:_is_the_world_too_big_to_fail_the_contours_of_global_order?page=entire | Apr 24 03:21 | |
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| Ender2070 | chomsky is a globalist | Apr 24 03:21 |
| Ender2070 | read Political Ponerology | Apr 24 03:23 |
| Ender2070 | psychopaths reach the top in any system | Apr 24 03:24 |
| Ender2070 | Chomsky though is funded by Rockefeller | Apr 24 03:25 |
| Ender2070 | he admitted it | Apr 24 03:25 |
| Ender2070 | he was working at MIT, assisting in the radicalization of student groups | Apr 24 03:26 |
| Ender2070 | "the control of opinion is a foundation of government" - Noam Chomsky | Apr 24 03:27 |
| Ender2070 | I guess it's just a coincidence that EVERY labour mp in the UK has been a member of the Fabian Society | Apr 24 03:31 |
| Ender2070 | www.fabians.co.uk | Apr 24 03:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I am wearing a stetson now stetsons are cool #drwho | Apr 24 03:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Well, #drwho was a lot of fun. Enjoyed see the look on my wife's face when she realized it was a two parter. She was annoyed at me :) | Apr 24 03:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @ashcrow ♻ @fsfe New Fellowship interview with Michiel de Jong on decentralised web apps platform 'Unhosted': http://ur1.ca/272u | Apr 24 03:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Song you have got the face on #drwho | Apr 24 03:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] The David Cameron Scam: http://bit.ly/hZlwXt #spam #scam #spammer #scammer #419 #419er | Apr 24 03:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @wayneborean It is official you are cooler than #DrWho | Apr 24 03:58 | |
| Ender2070 | HAHAHAHAHAHA | Apr 24 04:00 |
| Ender2070 | http://larryrusswurm.com/2010/04/27/my-member-of-parliament-and-the-other-feds/ | Apr 24 04:00 |
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| Ender2070 | "The opposition Liberal Party has the same but different idea.. They make sure that every shot of their leader contains Navdeep Bains, a turban wearer, to sell themselves as friendly to minorities and visible minorities." | Apr 24 04:01 |
| Ender2070 | then | Apr 24 04:01 |
| Ender2070 | "But really I think Navdeep Bains looks like one of those eastern mystics from the ’20s and ’30s who wore turbans and hypnotized people. So every time he is seen behind Michael Ignatieff is another chance for him to hypnotize Canadians into voting Liberal. “How’s that going to go?” you ask. Just wait till the next election." | Apr 24 04:01 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Apr 24 04:01 |
| Ender2070 | "So every time he is seen behind Michael Ignatieff is another chance for him to hypnotize Canadians into voting Liberal." | Apr 24 04:01 |
| Ender2070 | hahahahahaha | Apr 24 04:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] "So every time he is seen behind Michael Ignatieff is another chance for him to hypnotize Canadians into voting Liberal." @laurelrusswurm | Apr 24 04:05 | |
| Ender2070 | oooo im back | Apr 24 04:06 |
| Ender2070 | didnt know ill keep it clear | Apr 24 04:07 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] BBC click asks are Intel and MS dinosaurs on the tablet compared to Arm and Linux. | Apr 24 04:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] What happens when you try to leave the Church of #Scientology? http://is.gd/CWdSxD | Apr 24 04:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Without a doubt my favourite English building is Tate Modern. | Apr 24 04:53 | |
| http://www.southernstudies.org/2011/04/a-regulatory-disaster.html | Apr 24 04:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] 'MVP stands for Microsoft Valued Person. When do you provide them value?', @yongyuan; 'Money!', 'Right, so you actually do marketing'. | Apr 24 05:01 | |
| Ender2070 | you realize that the solution to that was having Obama allow other countries to do the offshore drilling | Apr 24 05:02 |
| Ender2070 | flip flop http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcsr14_grittv-david-roberts-obamas-offshor_news | Apr 24 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Dailymotion - GRITtv: David Roberts: Obama's Offshore Drilling - a News & Politics video .::. Size~: 53.52 KB | Apr 24 05:08 |
| Ender2070 | twitter - http://www.infowars.com/jobs-bill-the-government-passed-a-jobs-bill-years-ago-just-not-for-us/ | Apr 24 05:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: » Jobs Bill? The Government Passed a Jobs Bill Years Ago … Just Not for US Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! .::. Size~: 79.52 KB | Apr 24 05:17 |
| the solution is to stop drilling and clean up the mess | Apr 24 05:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Despite Saudi mercenaries in Bahrain and civilian killings. Bahrain is still invited to Windsor wedding #Libya still waiting for invitation | Apr 24 05:18 | |
| Ender2070 | that won't satisfy problem-reaction-solution | Apr 24 05:21 |
| Ender2070 | we all know they should stop drilling and clean up the mess, thats obvious | Apr 24 05:22 |
| Ender2070 | that won't get environmental laws passed to increase energy costs | Apr 24 05:22 |
| Ender2070 | the GATT treaty killed the US manufacturing jobs, I'd aim at that first | Apr 24 05:24 |
| Ender2070 | it caused the factories to move to china, with funding from the tax payer to set up shop | Apr 24 05:24 |
| Ender2070 | including covering for any losses incurred during the transition | Apr 24 05:25 |
| Ender2070 | China doesn't have an environmental policy other than the stuff they did during the olympics | Apr 24 05:25 |
| Ender2070 | the solution for this pollution problem isn't to punish China like the rest of us get punished | Apr 24 05:27 |
| Ender2070 | the solution is to give china money from western tax payers to fund a transition to cleaner energy - which won't happen - they use coal cause its cheap, not because they are broke | Apr 24 05:27 |
| breakthrough or scam ? another cold fusion device http://www.prwatch.org/news/2011/04/10661/media-ignores-energy-breakthrough-worry-free-nuclear-power | Apr 24 05:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Media Ignores Energy Breakthrough: Worry-Free Nuclear Power | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 68.92 KB | Apr 24 05:28 |
| they claim 10kW from a suitcase sized device. | Apr 24 05:29 | |
| Ender2070 | diablo-d3 had similar claims with another similar nuclear powered device | Apr 24 05:29 |
| Ender2070 | it could have been the same thing | Apr 24 05:29 |
| the claims of zero waste emissions are dubious, if there's fusion as they say it is, there will be neutron activation | Apr 24 05:30 | |
| Ender2070 | oh yeah beware of claims of zero anything | Apr 24 05:30 |
| Ender2070 | zero has a definition of non-zero | Apr 24 05:30 |
| Ender2070 | legally | Apr 24 05:30 |
| it would be nice if it worked | Apr 24 05:31 | |
| Ender2070 | im sure it works, i doubt its worry free though | Apr 24 05:31 |
| Ender2070 | a good reason why its ignored is that you can't really put a meter and bill someone monthly for that | Apr 24 05:31 |
| the inventors claim "intellectual property" and refuse to divulge how it works till they get a patent | Apr 24 05:31 | |
| if it works, this is a reasonable thing to patent | Apr 24 05:32 | |
| Ender2070 | standard procedure | Apr 24 05:32 |
| but the use of the term "intellectual property" is foolish | Apr 24 05:32 | |
| Ender2070 | bah i wont argue with you, regarding the topic. if it works its likely to become classified | Apr 24 05:33 |
| Ender2070 | this will never be released to the public | Apr 24 05:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Christian harassment. God botherers in town today spouting their dogma and channel 47 does the same scenes with bible quotes !atheism | Apr 24 05:35 | |
| Ender2070 | not unless a way is found to centralize it, add a meter and bill montly | Apr 24 05:35 |
| Ender2070 | if you had such a device you could become self-sustainable, and wouldn't require government | Apr 24 05:38 |
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| Microsoft is making noise about the forced retirement of XP again to push sales of Vista 7. This article looks at why people should move to free software http://www.i-programmer.info/news/126-os/2338-microsoft-counts-down-to-xp-death.html | Apr 24 05:45 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Apr 24 05:45 |
| Ender2070 | xp came out in 2001 | Apr 24 05:47 |
| Ender2070 | I don't expect them to maintain a product for 10 years | Apr 24 05:47 |
| Ender2070 | Fedora for example, doesn't maintain a distro two releases behind | Apr 24 05:48 |
| Ender2070 | thats about 1 year of support | Apr 24 05:48 |
| Ender2070 | if they were selling Fedora, people would be up in arms eh | Apr 24 05:49 |
| Ender2070 | their enterprise product has a 7 year support cycle | Apr 24 05:50 |
| Ender2070 | I guess they are forcing people to upgrade to RHEL 6 | Apr 24 05:50 |
| Ender2070 | will you nickname the next major release RHELsta 7 ? | Apr 24 05:51 |
| Ender2070 | ;) | Apr 24 05:51 |
| Ender2070 | im not defending microsoft, im defending the right to retire something | Apr 24 05:53 |
| Ender2070 | btw | Apr 24 05:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @ender2070 Christians brow beat people. Atheists say I do not believe the existence of Gods on evidence provided not dogma | Apr 24 05:53 | |
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| I can run Red Hat 5.x if I want. XP requires activation, so turning off the activation servers is not a case of "retiring" it's a denial of service attack. If XP did not have this malicious feature, people could run their legacy software in virtual machines. | Apr 24 05:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @ender2070 When the last answer is "because I do" How can we take religions seriously? | Apr 24 06:00 | |
| Business insider explains and celebrates Apple and Microsoft's judicial extortion against Android http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-real-reason-apple-is-suing-samsung-2011-4 | Apr 24 06:01 | |
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| Ender2070 | what they should do then is release one last update to turn that off | Apr 24 06:14 |
| Ender2070 | not likely, but it would be good for them to do so | Apr 24 06:14 |
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| Ender2070 | business might not care with their volume licenses though | Apr 24 06:15 |
| Ender2070 | they dont need to activate | Apr 24 06:15 |
| http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/041911-whitespaces-superwifi-rice.html | Apr 24 06:15 | |
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| Ender2070 | same thing for people who purchased PC's from a vendor who used volume licenses | Apr 24 06:15 |
| Ender2070 | ie, Dell, Asus, HP, Gateway | Apr 24 06:16 |
| Ender2070 | the people who get hit are those who build their own computers or those who purchased a computer from a small shop that provides normal oem licenses | Apr 24 06:17 |
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| Ender2070 | regarding vista 7 though, msft is pushing HARD to get it out there | Apr 24 06:25 |
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| Ender2070 | I got a free copy from Intel simply by buying a processor | Apr 24 06:25 |
| Ender2070 | it was the retail edge program | Apr 24 06:25 |
| Ender2070 | I got an Intel Core i7 920 with Vista for $180 or something | Apr 24 06:26 |
| Ender2070 | then they sent me vista 7 a few months later when microsoft released it | Apr 24 06:26 |
| Ender2070 | both turned out to be seperate licenses | Apr 24 06:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] A #TSA agent is finally arrested for being a pedo, a very good start http://ur1.ca/3z9b5 | Apr 24 06:47 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Airport passenger screener charged in distributing child pornography | Philadelphia Inquirer | 04/23/2011 .::. Size~: 245.85 KB | Apr 24 06:47 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] The curious case of the number 3435 http://ur1.ca/3z9f3 !science | Apr 24 06:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Righthaven copyright troll loses domain http://ur1.ca/3z9fu | Apr 24 06:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Amazon AWS service being down may have actually killed people http://ur1.ca/3yy9r | Apr 24 07:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ♺ @fsfe New Fellowship interview with Michiel de Jong on decentralised web apps platform '#Unhosted': http://ur1.ca/272u | Apr 24 07:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] HOWTO solve #Libya? Invite #Gaddafi to royal wedding next week and reroute his jet to Te Hague. I am genius :-) | Apr 24 08:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @jwildeboer HOWTO solve #Libya? Invite #Gaddafi to royal wedding next week and reroute his jet to Te Hague. I am genius :-) | Apr 24 08:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ran some overnight experiments after a night out, program crashed just one hour into it, need to debug & plan for next night | Apr 24 08:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] For those who want to see how #Fox lies to the public (& don't mind strong language) this channel is good entertainment http://is.gd/6tPdXA | Apr 24 08:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Danish Artist v BIGCORP - read the details here. Worth spreading IMHO. http://ur1.ca/3gflh #art #freedom | Apr 24 08:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] why I love the #Unhosted project? Smart devs + stunning graphic design + radical openness == #FTW http://unhosted.org | Apr 24 08:42 | |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35kBpvxfsc | Apr 24 08:50 |
| schestowitz | OMG LOL | Apr 24 08:50 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[1g0r/@1g0r] Selon que vous serez puissant ou misérable... President Obama speaks on Manning and the rule of law http://ur1.ca/3zbpk via @ggreenwald !wl | Apr 24 08:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] A tale of two women: http://wp.me/pj2fj-qC #sgelection | Apr 24 09:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Yay! The Internet Passport Is Coming - http://bit.ly/emLZHX this is bad: time to build that parallel Net, methinks... #surveillance | Apr 24 09:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @schestowitz: For those who want to see how #Fox lies to the public (& don't mind strong language) http://is.gd/6tPdXA I love this dude | Apr 24 09:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Righthaven #copyright #troll loses domain - http://bit.ly/huuqSi not been a good week for them, has it? | Apr 24 09:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Cheapest E-Books Upend the Charts - http://on.wsj.com/fMYD23 perhaps traditional publishers should take note (v @Copycense) | Apr 24 09:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Google, MPAA and isoHunt Clash in Court - http://bit.ly/dExtpU weird 3-cornered spitting match going on here #copyright | Apr 24 09:33 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Apr 24 09:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] interview with Michiel de Jong - http://bit.ly/fEXrsd good intro to Unhosted: "free of charge hosted #freesw web apps become feasible again" | Apr 24 09:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] headphones that let you share the sound via integrated duo jack - http://on.mash.to/gOIB66 but isn't that *stealing*? #copyright #sharing | Apr 24 09:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Firefox 4 at 100 Million Downloads - http://bit.ly/hGftOK nice graph #ff4 #ie9 | Apr 24 09:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Kernel comment: Perseverance pays off - http://bit.ly/fYwlkE good point: constant dripping wears away the stone #wifi #linux | Apr 24 09:58 | |
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| oiaohm | Hmm | Apr 24 10:03 |
| oiaohm | Hi all | Apr 24 10:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] still getting lockups with #nouveau on !ku #natty - here's the relevant #Xorg.0.log part: http://wklej.org/id/518122/ !linux !fs | Apr 24 10:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] "Many dreams come true and some have silver linings. I live for my dream and a pocketful of gold." | Apr 24 10:27 | |
| schestowitz | Hello | Apr 24 10:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] I have created my Public Figure Page - http://ur1.ca/3zd6d (Bad news, it do not have unlike button) :) | Apr 24 10:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @glynmoody Firefox 4 at 100 Million Downloads - http://bit.ly/hGftOK nice graph #ff4 #ie9 | Apr 24 10:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Asa Dotzler: Firefox and more: Firefox 4 at 100 Million Downloads - http://ur1.ca/3zdm0 | Apr 24 11:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Sitting on the train, travelling from Balaton to a family gathering at Érd. | Apr 24 11:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laforge/@laforge] time to get moving to the #eh11 again | Apr 24 11:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Today's Afternoon matinee will be "Little Fockers". I love this series of films :) | Apr 24 11:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Spring may lose song of cuckoos, nightingales and turtle doves - http://bit.ly/fX6Ybd time for #malta & #cyprus to get civilised #shooting | Apr 24 11:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] "I'd rather watch the CNA and read the Straits Times" http://www.youtube.com/user/tstracyc #sgelection | Apr 24 11:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Good News : We will be having "Computer PathShala" a TV Show on Free Software for children, This year too :) | Apr 24 11:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @bugabundo: The Real Reason #Apple Is Suing Samsung - http://ur1.ca/3zfps !android « I Missed this one | Apr 24 12:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 102 million downloads on 2011-04-24 11:02 UTC | Apr 24 12:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Amazon releases !Android Honeycomb optimized version of their #Kindle App - IntoMobile http://ping.fm/Go6MQ | Apr 24 12:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Good News : We will be having "Computer PathShala" a Live TV Show on Free Software for children, Thi... http://tinyurl.com/3wy6g4c #blog | Apr 24 12:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Sympa is an opensource mailing list (newsletter) manager. It is really very powerful. I am using it. http://www.sympa.org/ | Apr 24 12:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] http://learnpython.org - an online interactive Python tutorial | Apr 24 12:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Ive seen it all now- COLA wintroll who implies he works in show business!That will keep me laughing all day. Delusions of grandeur I think. | Apr 24 12:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Introducing The R5 Game Engine: With open-source game developers, the ioquake3 game engine is quite popular to u... http://bit.ly/gTCqWZ | Apr 24 12:55 | |
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| *DaemonFC is going to have to try tomorrow's r600g | Apr 24 13:10 | |
| DaemonFC | some patches for some bugs that were annoying me just landed :P | Apr 24 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose I could just build my own Mesa stack and export an environment variable in .bashrc so everything uses it | Apr 24 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | it would make it much easier to switch back and forth if something ends up too terribly broken :) | Apr 24 13:12 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laforge/@laforge] angebliche abmahnung weil jemand #debian ISO image via bittorrent heruntergeladen hat? WTF?!? #gpl http://bit.ly/gAfB7t | Apr 24 13:17 | |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Really you should be able to run galluim3d mesa a longside non galluim3d mesa without upsetting anything. | Apr 24 13:34 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, but Mesa Classic is more broken than Gallium3d | Apr 24 13:35 |
| DaemonFC | at least on radeon hardware | Apr 24 13:35 |
| DaemonFC | The classic drivers are basically abandoned | Apr 24 13:35 |
| oiaohm | Its fun watching phoronix jump up and down about the power regression in 2.6.28 | Apr 24 13:35 |
| DaemonFC | they don't even get built by default | Apr 24 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | the source for them is still there though | Apr 24 13:36 |
| oiaohm | Opps 2.6.38 | Apr 24 13:36 |
| oiaohm | I have kinda a idea what has gone wrong. | Apr 24 13:36 |
| oiaohm | The BKL lock removal is most likely allowing something to wake up too often. | Apr 24 13:36 |
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| DaemonFC | the BKL is still there in 2.6.38 | Apr 24 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | you have to disable it if you don't want it | Apr 24 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | or do you mean something that got fixed to not need the BKL is broken? | Apr 24 13:37 |
| oiaohm | Something that got fixed not to need BKL minorally broken. | Apr 24 13:39 |
| oiaohm | Ie it works | Apr 24 13:39 |
| oiaohm | But now it runs that often that is eating power. | Apr 24 13:39 |
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| oiaohm | It was most likely a power vampire before BKL removal. Just not as bad. | Apr 24 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | I hate to think about what FGLRX is doing when you run it with no BKL support, like I do | Apr 24 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | but it scares me either way, oh well | Apr 24 13:39 |
| oiaohm | BKL had to go no matter what. | Apr 24 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Masking errors is never a good thing. | Apr 24 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | the big kernel lock could be abused and easily cause crashing or freezing of the system | Apr 24 13:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not sad to see it go | Apr 24 13:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather live with a 5% drop in framerate of FGLRX than risk that it causes the system to lock up | Apr 24 13:44 |
| oiaohm | 5% is really because FGLRX is not using Linux priorities right. DaemonFC | Apr 24 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Again its BKL masking a coding error. | Apr 24 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Someone who works at Opera told me that 11.5 for UNIX will switch to using XCB | Apr 24 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | I guess this means that what? Most Linux distributions older than late 2009 won't be able to use Opera? | Apr 24 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | and the rest will see a memory and CPU use decrease? | Apr 24 13:54 |
| oiaohm | XCB is fully threaded. | Apr 24 13:54 |
| oiaohm | So CPU usage can go up with XCB not down. | Apr 24 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | Also, OpenGL for Vega isn't mandatory, but more GPUs will support it than Firefox's OpenGL backend | Apr 24 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | the ones that are simply too damned old or broken will get Vega with XRender | Apr 24 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | there will be a setting in Opera:config that the user can override to select one or the other despite what Opera selects | Apr 24 13:56 |
| DaemonFC | with a warning that OpenGL might be broken on your card (if Opera has selected OpenGL | Apr 24 13:56 |
| DaemonFC | errr | Apr 24 13:56 |
| DaemonFC | selected XRender I meant | Apr 24 13:56 |
| oiaohm | Its going to be interesting to watch as everything plays out. | Apr 24 13:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Drug gangs help themselves to Central American military arsenals | McClatchty http://is.gd/ze4auk | Apr 24 13:57 | |
| oiaohm | 4.8 KDE hopefully will bring wayland api/abi | Apr 24 13:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Drug gangs help themselves to Central American military arsenals - World Wires - MiamiHerald.com .::. Size~: 88.86 KB | Apr 24 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | XCB and OpenGL for Vega are the highlights of Opera 11.5 for UNIX | Apr 24 13:57 |
| oiaohm | No matter the graphics card. | Apr 24 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | almost anyone with new-ish Nvidia/FGLRX/Nouveau/Radeon/Intel should be able to use it | Apr 24 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | seems Firefox is the only browser blaming the drivers for their crappy OpenGL backend | Apr 24 13:58 |
| DaemonFC | and everyone else's just works | Apr 24 13:58 |
| DaemonFC | why is that? | Apr 24 13:58 |
| DaemonFC | if you can only enable a feature for 30% or so of your users, and even then it's slow, you should ask if it's worth shipping | Apr 24 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Firefox is pushing the edge of webgl. | Apr 24 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | Opera already supports WebGL | Apr 24 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | and WebM/WebP, Vorbis, and Theora | Apr 24 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Opera is only supporting to the standard of WebGL. | Apr 24 14:00 |
| DaemonFC | it has the most standards-compliant javascript engine | Apr 24 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Firefox is containing the development edge sections. | Apr 24 14:00 |
| DaemonFC | and it is the 2nd best overall HTML 5 rendering engine after Chromium | Apr 24 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Like shader language support and other evils. | Apr 24 14:00 |
| DaemonFC | so Firefox is like the trailing edge | Apr 24 14:00 |
| DaemonFC | unless you count MSIE | Apr 24 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Where the mothers of glitchs are in opengl. | Apr 24 14:00 |
| oiaohm | kwin is also suffering from issues in some of those mother of glitches areas. | Apr 24 14:01 |
| DaemonFC | so why can't they enable different levels of OpenGL support? | Apr 24 14:01 |
| cubezzz | in the old days people used to talk about TinyX | Apr 24 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Ie card reports it supports X feature. DaemonFC | Apr 24 14:01 |
| DaemonFC | you obviously don't need the broken parts just to use composited layers | Apr 24 14:01 |
| oiaohm | When in fact its just a stub or does not work. | Apr 24 14:01 |
| cubezzz | hmmm, the minimalist philsophy seems kind of dead :) | Apr 24 14:02 |
| DaemonFC | I think they could probably enable 2/3 levels of OpenGL support | Apr 24 14:02 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: wayland is the new TinyX | Apr 24 14:02 |
| DaemonFC | instead of just banning the driver outright | Apr 24 14:02 |
| DaemonFC | when it is capable of doing most operations just fine | Apr 24 14:02 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: remember directfb is also still around. | Apr 24 14:02 |
| oiaohm | minimalist is still alive in the embeded world. cubezzz | Apr 24 14:03 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, I think I'll have a look at directfb | Apr 24 14:05 |
| DaemonFC | OpenGL ES is the new hotness | Apr 24 14:05 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't looked into it, all I know is that most drivers that are already OpenGL capable can do ES | Apr 24 14:05 |
| DaemonFC | so it's probably just an embedded-friendly subset | Apr 24 14:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] "Old #copyright principles are now used to define what the #Internet is" - http://bit.ly/hcaYkS this is a key insight | Apr 24 14:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] The Real Damage Wrought to Autistic Individuals by Andrew Wakefield: http://is.gd/XZsh7T #badscience #scam #autism #science #autistic | Apr 24 14:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Happy Easter everyone! | Apr 24 14:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Good interview with WikiLeaks lawyer Jennifer Robinson (video) http://alturl.com/wqjt7 | Apr 24 14:07 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Apr 24 14:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Real Damage Wrought to Autistic Individuals by Andrew Wakefield .::. Size~: 120.1 KB | Apr 24 14:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - The Drum: Interview with Jennifer Robinson, Julian Assange's Lawyer (Part 1 of 2) .::. Size~: 109.86 KB | Apr 24 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | Khronos has managed to turn OpenGL into a big hairy mess | Apr 24 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | so OpenGL ES is probably a popular target for lacking patent encumbrance | Apr 24 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | that would explain why everyone from KDE to Mesa, to Opera has the hots for it | Apr 24 14:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Going to Bhopal , I will be having meeting tomorrow for Bhopal Linux Users.. | Apr 24 14:08 | |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, One thing that I hate about OpenGL is sometimes the driver has to claim to support 3-4 extensions that really just map to 1 real one | Apr 24 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | because they couldn't decide what to call it and real world applications call it by NV, ATI, INTEL, SGI, ARB, and EXT | Apr 24 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | or any combination | Apr 24 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | so even if your driver supports the extension, all it takes is an app asking for it by a different name to fail | Apr 24 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | which is retarded | Apr 24 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 14:10 |
| oiaohm | There is a offical rules behind that. | Apr 24 14:10 |
| oiaohm | EXT is offically part of the spec. | Apr 24 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | ARB means it's up for review I think | Apr 24 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | and vendor name means that it is a vendor extension that hasn't been submitted | Apr 24 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 24 14:10 |
| oiaohm | NV ATI INTEL SGI MESA are implementors own. | Apr 24 14:10 |
| oiaohm | no requirement is that you do submit them. | Apr 24 14:11 |
| oiaohm | ARB is test run before EXT | Apr 24 14:11 |
| oiaohm | So if the process worked. New sections you are not sure if they work yet should either be under your own tag or ARB | Apr 24 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Once you are sure you implementation is right then you should display the EXT form. | Apr 24 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Problem is implementations have been done against Opengl rules. | Apr 24 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Otherwise things would work well. | Apr 24 14:12 |
| cubezzz | cool, I just added a coreboot search engine to firefox | Apr 24 14:13 |
| cubezzz | handy | Apr 24 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | the problem is a vendor can use GL_ATI_FOO and they don't get around to submitting it for a long time, so apps start asking for GL_ATI_FOO, then they finally submit it, and the ARB takes forever to decide, so now some applications call it GL_ATI_FOO, and some call it GL_ARB_FOO, in the mean time, Nvidia comes along and implements an extension that does basically the same thing, and they call theirs GL_NVIDIA_BAR, so now you | Apr 24 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | 're in trouble, GL_ATI_FOO and GL_ARB_FOO are the same thing and GL_NVIDIA_BAR is the same thing only not entirely | Apr 24 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | then the ARB gets aroudn to making GL_ARB_FOO official as GL_EXT_FOO | Apr 24 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | and now anyone with an OpenGL stack needs GL_EXT_FOO that really also supports the nonstandard GL_NVIDIA_BAR extension | Apr 24 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | and map GL_ATI_FOO GL_ARB_FOO, and GL_NVIDIA_BAR to it | Apr 24 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 24 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | and this is one extension you see :) | Apr 24 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | thats why output of glxinfo goes on for miles with most "feature-complete" drivers | Apr 24 14:15 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: If you are obeying opengl development rules by spec you should not use GL_ATI GL_NVIDIA.... stuff | Apr 24 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Apr 24 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | but anyone who types in glxinfo can see how well their driver follows the rules | Apr 24 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | because if they did, lots of programs would break | Apr 24 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | it makes it real easy to forget to mask something and have, real programs break | Apr 24 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | that happened recently with Gallium3d and the video game Trine | Apr 24 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | if your OpenGL driver followed the official OpenGL extension naming rules, you'd be cussing out the driver vendor because half your programs don't work | Apr 24 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | rules with no enforcement mechanism are more like suggestions | Apr 24 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 24 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Result of programmers not reading instructions. DaemonFC | Apr 24 14:21 |
| ugh http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=data.gov | Apr 24 14:22 | |
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| http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53433.html | Apr 24 14:22 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Vivek Kundra: Obama is right — fed IT is 'horrible' - Kim Hart - POLITICO.com .::. Size~: 105.3 KB | Apr 24 14:22 |
| damage control, used to run straight into the arms of the worst | Apr 24 14:22 | |
| cubezzz | obama admin does use some FOSS stuff | Apr 24 14:23 |
| cubezzz | e.g. drupal | Apr 24 14:23 |
| cubezzz | ha, no one reads instructions a lot of the time | Apr 24 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | The government uses Windows as a way to leak out disinformation | Apr 24 14:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Techdirt + @glynmoody - http://bit.ly/e6oFj0 not for the faint of heart #intellectualmonopolies #hypocrisy | Apr 24 14:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Glyn Moody's Favorite Techdirt Posts Of The Week | Techdirt .::. Size~: 50.04 KB | Apr 24 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | nobody would store state secrets on a Windows PC in PDF | Apr 24 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 24 14:27 |
| cubezzz | I'm storing my secrets on amiga :) | Apr 24 14:27 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: In correct | Apr 24 14:27 |
| cubezzz | no one will ever get them | Apr 24 14:27 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: USA altered there data secuirty requirement rules. | Apr 24 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, You could have stored them on a Mac | Apr 24 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Since then they have leaked something shocking. | Apr 24 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | nobody would ever get past the magic mouse | Apr 24 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Ie lower data secuirty rules windows passed. | Apr 24 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Where in the past windows always failed. | Apr 24 14:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] South Africa’s broadband capacity set to double as West #Africa Cable System lands - http://tnw.co/gBO3uA about time, too #connectivity | Apr 24 14:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: South Africa's broadband capacity set to double as WACS lands .::. Size~: 74.73 KB | Apr 24 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | Level 5 Classified now requires at least Windows 2003 with a strong password consisting of at least 8 characters, with one capital letter and three numbers, such as Password123 | Apr 24 14:29 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, the amiga isn't connected to the net | Apr 24 14:30 |
| cubezzz | of course, one can do that with any computer | Apr 24 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | thats ok, they can still beat down your door and seize it | Apr 24 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | and get your kiddie porn that way | Apr 24 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 24 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | errr, state secrets :) | Apr 24 14:31 |
| oiaohm | http://www.fas.org/irp/nsa/rainbow.htm These are still great references if you are wanting to create a secure system DaemonFC | Apr 24 14:31 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: CCEVS was brought into existance in 2003 | Apr 24 14:32 |
| oiaohm | And the USA has leaked data badly ever since. | Apr 24 14:32 |
| Kundra, the federal CIO -> “Why do I still have two cellphones?” he said, referring to his personal iPhone and his work-issued BlackBerry. “We need to bring consumer devices to the federal government. … This is something that’s going to take years. We’re not going to move the federal government overnight.” | Apr 24 14:32 | |
| cubezzz | tougher to keep secrets nowadays | Apr 24 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Let me tell you how stupid the Canadian government is. They won't extradite a person facing a capital charge, so to get a murderer back to the US for trial, a prosecutor had to extradite him based on theft of goods over $5,000 | Apr 24 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | a truck he stole to get to Canada | Apr 24 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | Canada values a stolen truck over a human life | Apr 24 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | when it comes to extradition hearings | Apr 24 14:34 |
| It's difficult for me to tell how much of the rest of the article is Kundra and how much is Politico. It's poorly written. | Apr 24 14:34 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Really no. | Apr 24 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | if you don't want to execute your own murderers, that's fine, you can feed and clothe them for the rest of their natural life | Apr 24 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | quit fucking with our legal system :) | Apr 24 14:35 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Canadian law allows a person who has done a capital charge that would get death in the USA to have that charge done in Canadian courts. | Apr 24 14:35 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: So serve jail time in Canadian instead. | Apr 24 14:35 |
| DaemonFC | they don't have jurisdiction | Apr 24 14:35 |
| DaemonFC | they can claim it | Apr 24 14:35 |
| DaemonFC | but their sentence in Canada doesn't count as far as the US is concerned | Apr 24 14:36 |
| oiaohm | International law. USA can give jurisdiction. | Apr 24 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | we can try them on the same charge all over again, and seek death if they're stupid enough to ever enter the US | Apr 24 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Of course it means USA has to wave going after them for death. | Apr 24 14:36 |
| oiaohm | ALso the odds of them living threw Canada jail will be low. | Apr 24 14:36 |
| cubezzz | personally, I'd have no problem sending a murderer back to the U.S. | Apr 24 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | our constitution says double jeopardy only attaches if they are tried in OUR courts | Apr 24 14:36 |
| sounds like the standard spin to push a new M$ OS -> Stephen O’Keefe, founder of MeriTalk Online, which analyzes government IT. ... Stephen O’Keefe, founder of MeriTalk Online, which analyzes government IT. | Apr 24 14:37 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Exactly. | Apr 24 14:37 |
| grrr -> “But I’m still pushing this really simple question: Why is it that I have better technology at home than I do at work? To me, it just doesn’t make sense.” | Apr 24 14:37 | |
| DaemonFC | so there's nothing to stop us from starting a new trial if we ever get our hands on them again | Apr 24 14:37 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: yep. | Apr 24 14:37 |
| schestowitz | twitter: politico is usually very good | Apr 24 14:37 |
| cubezzz | twitter, what new M$ OS? | Apr 24 14:37 |
| schestowitz | Kundra plays ball for fog | Apr 24 14:37 |
| oiaohm | So they can serve time in Cannada and if they ever set foot on usa soil be done again. DaemonFC | Apr 24 14:38 |
| schestowitz | meaning he is willing to pass your data to corporations | Apr 24 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Unaccountable private firms | Apr 24 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Not acceptable | Apr 24 14:38 |
| schestowitz | the uk does the same | Apr 24 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | Vista 8, it's just like Vista 7 except now it needs a Quad Core and 8 GB of RAM | Apr 24 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | to rate your PC a 2 | Apr 24 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 24 14:38 |
| schestowitz | And to keep track of citizens it not outsources even a company to log all our landline calls and mails, IIRC | Apr 24 14:38 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: and be perfectly inside internataional law. Problem is the USA will not give Canada jurisdiction to punish. | Apr 24 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | and we shouldn't | Apr 24 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they withdrew after public backlash, maybe they're just more quiet about this now, like with phorm | Apr 24 14:38 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Not for the reason you are thinkign of. | Apr 24 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | if Canada wants a serial killer roaming around, keep them | Apr 24 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 14:39 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: remember what I said about the olds of them dieing in jail. | Apr 24 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Yesterday I went out with my friends Mike and Sarah and the latter was silly enough to get an ID card | Apr 24 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | otherwise give them to us | Apr 24 14:39 |
| schestowitz | The public here was outraged by it and the Tories then scraped it | Apr 24 14:39 |
| schestowitz | And now those who had an ID card wasted their time and money, no refunds | Apr 24 14:39 |
| cubezzz | classic amiga rules, MIcrosoft only ever wrote one program for it :) | Apr 24 14:39 |
| cubezzz | AmigaBasic | Apr 24 14:40 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Canada has forced serial killers to leave before but they cannot force them to return the the USA. | Apr 24 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | wasn't that after they spent all that money issuing them and never put it in the budget for card readers? | Apr 24 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | governments are the same everywhere when it comes to spending tax money | Apr 24 14:40 |
| cubezzz | it can't run any version of windows ftw | Apr 24 14:40 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Mind you historically a few years in Canada jails USA cits normally run home even if death is waiting. | Apr 24 14:40 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: there is a problem. Being a USA cit in a Canada jail you don't get any goverment money | Apr 24 14:41 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Or smokes or anything other than food. | Apr 24 14:41 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: that kinda makes you a sitting duck because you have nothing to trade with. | Apr 24 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana law says prisoners don't get cigarettes | Apr 24 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | because all prisons are non-smoking | Apr 24 14:42 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: but the still get other things that can be traded. | Apr 24 14:42 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Like phone time. | Apr 24 14:42 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: to be correct USA cit Canada jail does not even have phone rights. | Apr 24 14:42 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: One of the particular reasons USA don't want them in there. | Apr 24 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | phone is a privilege | Apr 24 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | anything in prison other than a bed and meals is a privilege | Apr 24 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 14:43 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: It cost credits in Canada jails. | Apr 24 14:43 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: that USA cits don't get any. | Apr 24 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, the US Supreme Court has said that a prisoner is only allowed to expect 1 hour of the day out of their cell to exercise | Apr 24 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | so they can keep you in your cell 23 hours a day if they really want | Apr 24 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Result you go nuts due to lack of vit d | Apr 24 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Apr 24 14:45 |
| oiaohm | Unless they lace your food with vit d | Apr 24 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | and they can use your food as a punishment too | Apr 24 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | it's called meal loaf | Apr 24 14:45 |
| oiaohm | There is worse. | Apr 24 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | the only dietary rules are that it has to be nutritious enough to keep you alive and in good health | Apr 24 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | it can taste like crap and have the consistency of cardboard | Apr 24 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | as long as it meets those rules | Apr 24 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Its called mil biskets. Has all the nutritious stuff you need. | Apr 24 14:46 |
| oiaohm | But you can drive nails with them | Apr 24 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Tastes completely like crud. Must be soaked in water to be eatable and if you bite in too soon they will jam on your teeth. | Apr 24 14:47 |
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| oiaohm | Australian jail punishment food. Also just to be nasty mill biskets would still be eatable after 50+ years of storage. | Apr 24 14:48 |
| Vista/Vista 7+8, and fog, exactly. but it's hard to tell what Kundra thinks from this one article. -> (06:42:39 AM) cubezzz: twitter, what new M$ OS?, (06:42:47 AM) schestowitz: Kundra plays ball for fog | Apr 24 14:50 | |
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| Microsoft is trying to organize a refresh. | Apr 24 14:50 | |
| cubezzz | windows always makes me a bit foggy :) | Apr 24 14:51 |
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| Their buddies at Allscripts are already pushing Vista/Vista7 down on medical institutions that are not so careful. | Apr 24 14:51 | |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, I think the term is ANZAC wafers | Apr 24 14:51 |
| see this for info on allscripts http://www.fredtrotter.com/2011/03/01/glen-tullman-presents-the-chewbacca-defense/ | Apr 24 14:52 | |
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| bad title | Apr 24 14:53 | |
| cubezzz | or if you're into tolkien you can call it Cram :) | Apr 24 14:53 |
| -> " Glen Tullman and I have pretty different opinions about Health IT. Glen is the CEO of Allscripts, which is the largest proprietary EHR vendor in the country. When ONC called for testimony for the definition of meaningful use, Glen and I sat on the same panel." | Apr 24 14:53 | |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/61874346041421824 | Apr 24 14:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @FOSSpatents: L.A. Times blog: Google loses Linux patent lawsuit, pointing up vulnerability for Android http://t.co/8ZDu5jf via @latimestech | Apr 24 14:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: Google loses Linux patent lawsuit, pointing up vulnerability for Android | Technology | Los Angeles Times .::. Size~: 92.24 KB | Apr 24 14:55 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_tack cubezzz ANZAC wafers and many other names. ANZAC wafers was particularly bad since someone got the idea of adding salt to make them harder so they could live threw air drops. | Apr 24 14:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Hardtack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 50.26 KB | Apr 24 14:55 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Last thing you want is to be stuck on a diet of Hard tack. Yes its the old so called bread and water as well. | Apr 24 14:56 |
| schestowitz | [14:50] <twitter> Microsoft is trying to organize a refresh. | Apr 24 15:00 |
| schestowitz | I hit F5 to refresh and got 404 :-) | Apr 24 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Have you tried asking an administrator to check your internet settings? | Apr 24 15:00 |
| cubezzz | I 404ed M$ back in 2003 | Apr 24 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | I find that helps | Apr 24 15:01 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I restarted the application | Apr 24 15:01 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I restarted the OS | Apr 24 15:01 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I reinstalled the OS | Apr 24 15:01 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I rebought a computer | Apr 24 15:01 |
| schestowitz | That didn't fix the problem, it still came with Windows (fircibly) | Apr 24 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | have you tried running the Comcast Troubleshooting assistant? | Apr 24 15:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I rebooted the OEM channel | Apr 24 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | It's sitting in your system tray | Apr 24 15:02 |
| schestowitz | And then Microsoft opened a Microsoft Store | Apr 24 15:02 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Nothing is more fun they having them say please do this on windows. | Apr 24 15:02 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: and responding mind sending me a laptop. | Apr 24 15:02 |
| cubezzz | lol, I'd love to reboot the OEMs | Apr 24 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | "Sure, buy me a copy would you?" | Apr 24 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 15:02 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: question is normally why. And answer is because there is not a single machine in house with windows. | Apr 24 15:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: what do OEMs actually do? | Apr 24 15:03 |
| cubezzz | I can bet that oiaohm, I have a couple of computers that _can't_ run windows | Apr 24 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Emphasis on *do* | Apr 24 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | have a factory in China put their name on a generic PC | Apr 24 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | alap Windows on it | Apr 24 15:03 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: same here. | Apr 24 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | and ship it directly to Walmart | Apr 24 15:04 |
| oiaohm | I have cubezzz two old power pc imacs. | Apr 24 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | charge an extra $100 for their name | Apr 24 15:04 |
| schestowitz | OEM: business which combined a lot of crap malware with some platform that's used to push this crap onto people | Apr 24 15:04 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: that are coffee cup table legs these days. cubezzz | Apr 24 15:04 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: Ie they are ramless so can run nothing. | Apr 24 15:05 |
| cubezzz | get a nice IBM 4381 and stick in it your basement :) | Apr 24 15:05 |
| schestowitz | Funny I can just order a machine from a local guy who assembles it and then put a Linux distro, where the distro decided what software is preinstalled and if they tried bundling crap, they would die out due to competition | Apr 24 15:05 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu is like OEMs | Apr 24 15:05 |
| oiaohm | Don't have a basement. | Apr 24 15:05 |
| schestowitz | It puts Mono in your OS :-) | Apr 24 15:05 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: and I am not allowed to dig one either. | Apr 24 15:05 |
| schestowitz | "How can Ubuntu be so CHEAP?" | Apr 24 15:05 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: reason would not require filling with water. | Apr 24 15:05 |
| schestowitz | A: it comes with monolets | Apr 24 15:05 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: nature would do it for me. | Apr 24 15:05 |
| cubezzz | ah I see | Apr 24 15:06 |
| schestowitz | [15:05] <cubezzz> get a nice IBM 4381 and stick in it your basement :) | Apr 24 15:06 |
| schestowitz | But where would he sleep then? :-) | Apr 24 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Hmm ibm 4381 Looks nice cubezzz. Might have to clone the case of one and do it up as a storage location. | Apr 24 15:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] From The Phoronix Test Farm This Easter: Happy Easter, one week from May Day, 146 day countdown to Oktoberfest, ... http://bit.ly/gEDHe6 | Apr 24 15:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ghostler/@ghostler] #china arrests #protestants - constitution guarantees religious freedom, but Gov tries to control where people #worship http://ur1.ca/3zkjm | Apr 24 15:08 | |
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| cubezzz | and it comes with a massive 32 megs of ram too :) | Apr 24 15:09 |
| oiaohm | http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/hacker-creates-110th-scale-cray-1-supercomputer-20100830/ Some sad points of history. | Apr 24 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Hacker creates 1/10th scale Cray-1 supercomputer – Computer Chips & Hardware Technology | Geek.com .::. Size~: 57 KB | Apr 24 15:12 |
| oiaohm | Yes one of the nicest looking Crays and even if you replicate it there is no software for it left in existance. | Apr 24 15:13 |
| cubezzz | none at all? | Apr 24 15:13 |
| oiaohm | SGI Destroyed the complete software archive of the core software. | Apr 24 15:14 |
| oiaohm | And no one with a cray was ever issued with installation disks. | Apr 24 15:14 |
| oiaohm | there is none anywhere left cubezzz | Apr 24 15:14 |
| cubezzz | strange | Apr 24 15:15 |
| cubezzz | and sad, as you say | Apr 24 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Not strange for the time. | Apr 24 15:16 |
| oiaohm | You would buy a super computer and it would be issued with a custom OS. | Apr 24 15:16 |
| oiaohm | That was not yours. | Apr 24 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Basically closed source gone nuts. | Apr 24 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Result is history that completely vaporises. | Apr 24 15:16 |
| cubezzz | did the cray not have any removable media? | Apr 24 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Not for the OS core. | Apr 24 15:18 |
| oiaohm | I think cray run ada script for applications. | Apr 24 15:19 |
| oiaohm | So there is nothing left that is cray-1 particular. cubezzz | Apr 24 15:19 |
| (07:00:33 AM) schestowitz: http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/61874346041421824 (07:00:34 AM) TechrightsBot-tr: @FOSSpatents: L.A. Times blog: [Google FUD by Florian] | Apr 24 15:20 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @FOSSpatents: L.A. Times blog: Google loses Linux patent lawsuit, pointing up vulnerability for Android http://t.co/8ZDu5jf via @latimestech | Apr 24 15:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: Google loses Linux patent lawsuit, pointing up vulnerability for Android | Technology | Los Angeles Times .::. Size~: 92.24 KB | Apr 24 15:20 |
| I see he pushed the same FUD into the LA Times | Apr 24 15:21 | |
| he managed to push that into CNet and copy it to Slashdot too | Apr 24 15:21 | |
| what a fraud | Apr 24 15:21 | |
| CNet quoted him as saying all things Linux and Red Hat were doomed, doomed | Apr 24 15:22 | |
| oiaohm | Really that Google battle is not over yet. | Apr 24 15:23 |
| schestowitz | This article http://techrights.org/2011/04/22/bedrock-intellectual-ventures-and-linux/ got about 10 links to it today | Apr 24 15:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: SCO’s Strategic Consultant Mike Anderer Foresaw Microsoft-Organised Patent Lawsuits Against Linux (Through Small Companies) | Techrights .::. Size~: 120.09 KB | Apr 24 15:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @vinzv German !Linux user recieved cease-and-desist order and a 700€ bill for downloading !Debian via BitTorrent: http://l.vinzv.de/1 ... | Apr 24 15:25 | |
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| schestowitz | It helps expose the role Florian plays in scaring Android partners | Apr 24 15:25 |
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| PJ's news pick on it was that there's a 50/50 chance of overturn -> "PJ: I see Florian Mueller is once again predicting gloom and doom for Linux, this time due to a jury win for Bedrock against Google, but let me show you something that should calm the waters. | Apr 24 15:28 | |
| Here's the website of the Federal Circuit Court of Appeals, which is the specialty court that hears appeals of patent infringement cases in the US, and the link is to the page on statistics, and here [PDF] are the latest statistics on what happens to patent infringement cases on appeal. I think you can see from the stats why patent cases so often are appealed -- your chances are very good that you can get matters reversed on appeal, almos | Apr 24 15:28 | |
| In fact, here's the intro to a paper [PDF] titled TOWARD CERTAINTY AND UNIFORMITY IN PATENT INFRINGEMENT CASES AFTER FESTO AND MARKMAN: "The increasingly complex technology involved in patent infringement cases has lead many to question the ability of district court judges and jurors in such cases to issue uniform and predictable decisions. In fact, there is evidence that the Federal Circuit Court of Appeals - the appellate court with so | Apr 24 15:28 | |
| So calm down. There will likely be an appeal of the jury's decision in the case brought by Bedrock against Google. And given the nature of the patent, I expect Google will prevail, frankly. In fact just today, Dave Farber wrote on his IP list: "I believe I used that technique in SNOBOL in the early 60's," meaning the technique that awed the jurors so. When it comes to tech, it isn't so easy for juries, and this was in Texas, where the ju | Apr 24 15:28 | |
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| end PJ comment */ | Apr 24 15:28 | |
| She should have written an article, but then Florian would call her retirement a "stunt" again. | Apr 24 15:29 | |
| oiaohm | Really lets wait for the courts. | Apr 24 15:29 |
| schestowitz | she can still write | Apr 24 15:29 |
| schestowitz | until may | Apr 24 15:29 |
| oiaohm | There is coming a question if the company in this case has even the legal right to use the patent in question twitter | Apr 24 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Someone suggested we invite Groklaw people to comment in techrights | Apr 24 15:30 |
| oiaohm | Jury decision could turn out to be the right one. | Apr 24 15:30 |
| I did too | Apr 24 15:30 | |
| schestowitz | And he said he'd probably write an article explaining why techrights would be the right place | Apr 24 15:30 |
| oiaohm | Ie if they did not have the legal right to use the patent. | Apr 24 15:30 |
| schestowitz | So anyone here who is willing to write a short essay on that, I'd post it | Apr 24 15:30 |
| I thought we should give them a whole section and editorships. | Apr 24 15:31 | |
| oiaohm | And they then get that proved in court and they won a case with the patent they are up for damages. twitter | Apr 24 15:31 |
| we being you, of cours Roy. | Apr 24 15:31 | |
| schestowitz | I don't want to be the one doin that | Apr 24 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Were normal disarming of patents is harmless. | Apr 24 15:31 |
| You would not be doing it, some GL person would | Apr 24 15:31 | |
| PJ wants to retire but she's raised an army of people. | Apr 24 15:32 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: that would be good too | Apr 24 15:32 |
| schestowitz | How about this... | Apr 24 15:32 |
| schestowitz | I thought about putting a second blog | Apr 24 15:32 |
| schestowitz | One where people from this channel can set up accounts and blog | Apr 24 15:32 |
| schestowitz | syndicated from main pages | Apr 24 15:33 |
| schestowitz | something like techrights.org/blogs/ | Apr 24 15:33 |
| Sure. Techrights Legal. The people from GL could do their thing and Techrights could pick it up when it's interesting. | Apr 24 15:33 | |
| schestowitz | In fact, people can copy their other blogs' contents to that | Apr 24 15:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Colombia: La ley #Lleras sobre la mesa - http://bit.ly/ihXQ9P another bad (c) law to impose 18th cent rules on 21st cent tech (v @xpectro) | Apr 24 15:33 | |
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| schestowitz | Unifying under a suitable domain | Apr 24 15:33 |
| schestowitz | twitter: interesting | Apr 24 15:34 |
| I even thought it would be good to give them their slashcode because that's how they like to work. | Apr 24 15:34 | |
| schestowitz | but it needs someone who speaks legalese running it | Apr 24 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Or hosting those who know the subject | Apr 24 15:34 |
| schestowitz | "Techrights Legal" sounds good | Apr 24 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Without need to register to comment | Apr 24 15:34 |
| schestowitz | would require someone pulling PACER filings | Apr 24 15:34 |
| schestowitz | maybe do a few items per week | Apr 24 15:35 |
| All they need as a home and a few experienced people from GL to pick up where GL is leaving off. .... PACER, don't know that one. | Apr 24 15:35 | |
| schestowitz | PACER gives the court-submitted material groklaw shares | Apr 24 15:35 |
| have you asked PJ if she knows anyone who would step up for such a job if they were given the chance and hosting? | Apr 24 15:35 | |
| schestowitz | It's the lifeline of a legal discussiob | Apr 24 15:35 |
| schestowitz | twitter: no, I would not ask | Apr 24 15:36 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to lead people out of Groklaw, it would not be civil | Apr 24 15:36 |
| schestowitz | But I can create something they can go to | Apr 24 15:36 |
| the place is shutting down, you would simply be giving them a new home and a chance to grow | Apr 24 15:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] NZ: 89% oppose having to prove innocence over internet downloads - http://bit.ly/geSwq1 (v @masspirates @Asher_Wolf @piratepartyNZ @addthis) | Apr 24 15:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] 41 WikiLeaks stories rock Turkey http://alturl.com/4343v | Apr 24 15:37 | |
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| schestowitz | But they need a root to discuss around | Apr 24 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Like court documents | Apr 24 15:37 |
| You would be asking PJ who you can trust and who has that root. | Apr 24 15:37 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.slashcode.com/ | Apr 24 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: I would not ask that | Apr 24 15:38 |
| You should, who else would know? I imagine there are several people in the GL community that can take PJ's role. | Apr 24 15:38 | |
| schestowitz | Should I bang that on the server? | Apr 24 15:39 |
| Just send her an email? | Apr 24 15:39 | |
| schestowitz | Naaa... | Apr 24 15:39 |
| I don't understand "bang that on the server" | Apr 24 15:39 | |
| I was thinking a little email, "Dear PJ, I miss your service and can provide a home to your promising understudies...." | Apr 24 15:40 | |
| schestowitz | oh gawd... http://sourceforge.net/projects/slashcode/develop/ I don't want to patch from git | Apr 24 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | And if/when the cms breaks, it will be more of a nightmare than geeklog to fix | Apr 24 15:40 |
| schestowitz | I spent 2 hours today fixing someone's broken wordpress blog | Apr 24 15:41 |
| PJ seems to use an ancient version of Slashcode. | Apr 24 15:41 | |
| schestowitz | Without knowing the s/w, it would have taken longer | Apr 24 15:41 |
| I don't think anything breaks because it has not changed since 2002. | Apr 24 15:41 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: she uses geeklog | Apr 24 15:41 |
| ah | Apr 24 15:41 | |
| schestowitz | no releases in ages | Apr 24 15:41 |
| schestowitz | maybe not secure, either | Apr 24 15:41 |
| aka, stable | Apr 24 15:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] If these numbers are real (and I do not doubt them), then the PAP must come clean about how they get paid - http://ur1.ca/3zl9y #sgelection | Apr 24 15:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Yedioth Ahronoth & Haaretz publishing Wikileaks on Israel but Western media too shy to follow. | Apr 24 15:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Fracking leak hands Earth Day gift to green energy - http://reut.rs/hJhlch so use it (v @LoveCanal2020 @dcarli) #energy #renewables | Apr 24 15:42 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Apr 24 15:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Fracking leak hands Earth Day gift to green energy | Reuters Breakingviews .::. Size~: 33.83 KB | Apr 24 15:42 |
| schestowitz | ok, so assuming a techrights legal, what cms? | Apr 24 15:42 |
| schestowitz | It needs good support for pdf2html | Apr 24 15:42 |
| schestowitz | where the output is ugly | Apr 24 15:42 |
| schestowitz | and discussion | Apr 24 15:42 |
| schestowitz | it would be good even for us to put the pdfs of cases we speak about | Apr 24 15:42 |
| schestowitz | It's not hard to get these and htmlify them | Apr 24 15:43 |
| schestowitz | I have the tools for it | Apr 24 15:43 |
| schestowitz | who wants to run techrights legal? | Apr 24 15:43 |
| schestowitz | Like someone runs the SPanish section.. | Apr 24 15:43 |
| That's what you have to ask PJ | Apr 24 15:43 | |
| The technical details will be dictated by your host | Apr 24 15:44 | |
| schestowitz | OK, hang on.. | Apr 24 15:44 |
| and taste. PJ's understudy will not be PJ. | Apr 24 15:44 | |
| I would hope for the least amount of technical and stylistic disruption possible but different people do different things in different ways | Apr 24 15:45 | |
| schestowitz | "Our community has suggested that we create a new section, called something like "legal" -- a place in which we can put HTML versions of PDFs of interest (via PACER or other sources), allowing room for discussion. Someone suggested that I ask you if you know someone from Groklaw who is capable of hosting such a thing." | Apr 24 15:46 |
| cool | Apr 24 15:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] (english) 41 WikiLeaks stories rock Turkey http://is.gd/bKB6ev | Apr 24 15:47 | |
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| schestowitz | Tonight I will write half a dozen posts | Apr 24 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Despite the Spring Break.. | Apr 24 15:50 |
| Oh yeah, happy Easter everyone. | Apr 24 15:50 | |
| schestowitz | Yesterday I couldn't do to work and then going out to town | Apr 24 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | happy ishtar | Apr 24 15:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Israel: 54 Haaretz scoops from WikiLeaks in the last 2 weeks http://alturl.com/ah3jt | Apr 24 15:52 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Haaretz WikiLeaks Exclusive- - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper .::. Size~: 106.22 KB | Apr 24 15:52 |
| Ishtar? http://news.discovery.com/history/god-wife-yahweh-asherah-110318.html | Apr 24 15:52 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible -- Almost : Discovery News .::. Size~: 61.13 KB | Apr 24 15:52 |
| not what I had in mind | Apr 24 15:52 | |
| but fertility and new life are part of it | Apr 24 15:53 | |
| DaemonFC | the rabbit and eggs are symbols of fertility | Apr 24 15:54 |
| that would be a good time to resurrect GL. No need to wait three days. | Apr 24 15:54 | |
| DaemonFC | damned Catholics | Apr 24 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | I don't need them or their shrimp burritos at Taco Bell | Apr 24 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 24 15:55 |
| schestowitz | twitter: can someone do fun graphics for us? | Apr 24 15:55 |
| I'd love to. | Apr 24 15:55 | |
| schestowitz | "Techrights Legal" banner (if that's the right name) | Apr 24 15:55 |
| schestowitz | We have torch of freedom for base part | Apr 24 15:56 |
| schestowitz | About software freedom | Apr 24 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Pillars in the wiki | Apr 24 15:56 |
| Sounds like a great banner. | Apr 24 15:56 | |
| schestowitz | We have many orphaned pages | Apr 24 15:56 |
| schestowitz | 3 types | Apr 24 15:56 |
| schestowitz | wiki | Apr 24 15:56 |
| schestowitz | blog | Apr 24 15:56 |
| schestowitz | And then we have court documents I threw all over the place without central CMS | Apr 24 15:56 |
| *DaemonFC throws shrimp burritos at schestowitz | Apr 24 15:56 | |
| schestowitz | Like Bilski decisions as HTML | Apr 24 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | found a use for them | Apr 24 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 15:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Before the war began: WikiLeaks one year ago http://alturl.com/wvsyv | Apr 24 15:57 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: WikiLeaks and Julian Paul Assange : The New Yorker .::. Size~: 98.31 KB | Apr 24 15:57 |
| schestowitz | So we could use a proper place that put legally-liable material | Apr 24 15:57 |
| Google has organized Techrights to an extent. | Apr 24 15:57 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: easts it | Apr 24 15:57 |
| schestowitz | *eats | Apr 24 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, isn't it really easy to get sued for libel in the UK? | Apr 24 15:57 |
| schestowitz | twitter: yes, but being dependent on Google is not healthy | Apr 24 15:57 |
| schestowitz | I improved the search pages this month | Apr 24 15:58 |
| true | Apr 24 15:58 | |
| schestowitz | Took a lot of worl | Apr 24 15:58 |
| schestowitz | *Work | Apr 24 15:58 |
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| thanks | Apr 24 15:58 | |
| schestowitz | also archives | Apr 24 15:58 |
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| DaemonFC | what is it with religion and dietary requirements? | Apr 24 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | Did Jesus tell them to eat fish during a certain time of the year or something? | Apr 24 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | too many cults to keep track of | Apr 24 15:59 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/site-archives/ | Apr 24 15:59 |
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| I'm going to work on banner ideas... I'm thinking legal symbols, foundations etc. | Apr 24 16:00 | |
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| schestowitz | thanks | Apr 24 16:05 |
| schestowitz | If PJ does not recommend operators, we'll find someone among us | Apr 24 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, There's actually some re-elect Updike signs around town, not many but some | Apr 24 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if he's paying them or just driving by and planting his signs in the middle of the night | Apr 24 16:06 |
| schestowitz | Corporations? | Apr 24 16:06 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: didn't he get caught researching the problem of pr0n in his office\? | Apr 24 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | he won't survive the primaries, but he seems to think he can | Apr 24 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | lmao, yep | Apr 24 16:07 |
| schestowitz | He didn't solve the riddle, did it? | Apr 24 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | there's so much competition in his own party that he won't get the Republican nomination | Apr 24 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | so he's lost already | Apr 24 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | the scary thing is that the people lining up to replace him might be worse | Apr 24 16:08 |
| schestowitz | He's all zipped up as they say.. | Apr 24 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | mostly teabaggers | Apr 24 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Indiana.. yeeea haaaaa | Apr 24 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | this town is not representative of Indiana | Apr 24 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | this is like, extremely atypical | Apr 24 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 16:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF4PbqJsRH4 | Apr 24 16:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Glenn Beck LOSES IT (Radio Show Freak-Out) .::. Size~: 124.51 KB | Apr 24 16:09 |
| schestowitz | Listen to the end | Apr 24 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | statewide, Democrats hold more seats | Apr 24 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | this town is like single party, Republican | Apr 24 16:09 |
| schestowitz | But hey, at least he didn't compare her to Hitler | Apr 24 16:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @PoliceStateUK #Police order #ANPR / #CCTV-spotting site shut down as 'ring of steel' begins to appear. http://s.coop/15hd #Surveillance | Apr 24 16:10 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Royston News | Latest News & Events In Royston, Cambridgeshire | Royston Evening News | 'Ring of steel' cameras arrive .::. Size~: 36.47 KB | Apr 24 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | the grade school got caught hosting this "bible trailer" thing on school property | Apr 24 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | hooked up to school utilities | Apr 24 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | and they were excusing kids to go to religious services in that trailer | Apr 24 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | so they got sued, the Indiana supreme court ruled that unconstitutional | Apr 24 16:11 |
| schestowitz | !google youtube Glenn Beck is batman joker | Apr 24 16:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - YouTube - Glenn Beck = The Joker?! | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DQGS97_pOg_k | Apr 24 16:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - YouTube - Glenn Beck vs. The Joker | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DVjGC8FPSy6o | Apr 24 16:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - YouTube - Batman And Joker Talk On Cells | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DfdvHoIj_4uw | Apr 24 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | what happened next? | Apr 24 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | well, the trailer is renting a lot just off school property and paying for its own utilities | Apr 24 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | and if kids want to go there after school, that's not the school promoting it :P | Apr 24 16:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] what's going on with temasekreview.com? #sgelection http://ur1.ca/3zlvr | Apr 24 16:12 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: http://file.status.net/i/identica/harishpillay-20110424T150906-y2yp9mx.png - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 10.53 KB | Apr 24 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | better I guess | Apr 24 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | at least my tax money isn't being used to give them official recognition and electricity | Apr 24 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | :/ | Apr 24 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sorry, by electricity, I meant the magic of Jesus | Apr 24 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | the churches ended up being ordered to refund the town for the utilities | Apr 24 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Updike also had the school spend $50,000 to defend the church group | Apr 24 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | and they had to refund that too | Apr 24 16:15 |
| this looks like a good source of wall images, nice steps, foundation, materials and god ... some historical baggage but nice image and optimism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Athena_Nike | Apr 24 16:16 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Temple of Athena Nike - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 34.17 KB | Apr 24 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | state law only provides one way to get rid of a bad mayor | Apr 24 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | let their term run out | Apr 24 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | or wait for them to commit a felony :) | Apr 24 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | I say one way because they never get charged with the felonies they commit | Apr 24 16:18 |
| schestowitz | twitter: GOd of war? | Apr 24 16:23 |
| schestowitz | iirc nike was the war one | Apr 24 16:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: don't badmouth nike! It's MY religion, and it's all true cause there's a statue!! | Apr 24 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Updike should have also had the school spend $50,000 to defend the Nike woshippers | Apr 24 16:25 |
| schestowitz | warshippers :-) | Apr 24 16:25 |
| schestowitz | Nike | Apr 24 16:25 |
| schestowitz | War, geddit? | Apr 24 16:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @thp: #Panucci 0.99.1 enters !Maemo 5 Extras today - the first stable Panucci update in the Extras repository since June 2010 :) !N900 | Apr 24 16:27 | |
| god of victory, actually -> twitter: GOd of war? | Apr 24 16:27 | |
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| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_(mythology) | Apr 24 16:28 | |
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| -> According to classical (later) myth, Styx brought them to Zeus when the god was assembling allies for the Titan War against the older deities. Nike assumed the role of the divine charioteer, a role in which she often is portrayed in Classical Greek art. Nike flew around battlefields rewarding the victors with glory and fame. | Apr 24 16:28 | |
| Athenians wrote most of that, so their little temple is authoritative, but I liked the dimensions and materials of the wall more than the Athenian empire baggage | Apr 24 16:29 | |
| the empire was not all so popular at the time either. who was it who compared the Parthenon to jewels on a whore? | Apr 24 16:32 | |
| anyway, I'm thinking foundations and law. Wikipedia has a nice, high resolution image. | Apr 24 16:33 | |
| schestowitz | so who was god of war? | Apr 24 16:33 |
| schestowitz | Probably the biblical one actually, because the bible advocates that | Apr 24 16:33 |
| schestowitz | I am thinking or reusing template from the main techrights part | Apr 24 16:34 |
| schestowitz | But not sure | Apr 24 16:34 |
| schestowitz | We could use this as a chance to resolve width issue with liquid layout | Apr 24 16:34 |
| schestowitz | And I can reuse some colours, need a large banner though | Apr 24 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Sticking with one cms for everything makes patching easier.\ | Apr 24 16:35 |
| schestowitz | need to look for themes as starting point http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/ | Apr 24 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | This might work well http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/whitehouse | Apr 24 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | Hm... fixed width.. bad | Apr 24 16:37 |
| koolhead17 | hi all | Apr 24 16:38 |
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| Ares (Mars), Athena, but just about all of them were violent -> schestowitz: so who was god of war? | Apr 24 16:44 | |
| Dionysus was something of a culture giver | Apr 24 16:45 | |
| They had Dike for justice | Apr 24 16:45 | |
| schestowitz | This one looks alright http://wp-themes.com/arras/?TB_iframe=true&width=1797&height=772 | Apr 24 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | we need white baclground | Apr 24 16:46 |
| schestowitz | For stuff that's court material | Apr 24 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Makes it easier to integrate | Apr 24 16:46 |
| http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.maicar.com/GML/000Images/dim/dikeRI.1-1019.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.maicar.com/GML/Dike.html&usg=__penczgp1UbLqCioInO1v4oZYJrU=&h=720&w=554&sz=210&hl=en&start=12&sig2=m0qJ-TsGpP88yM6WOcc8tw&zoom=1&tbnid=_yjhSp_llF4U2M:&tbnh=140&tbnw=108&ei=eUW0TYiXIcGitgfXrZjqDg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddike%2Bjustice%2Btemple%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1 | Apr 24 16:46 | |
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| OK, checking out the temple image | Apr 24 16:47 | |
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| this one looked promising but was non free and tiny http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/ADT5357.jpg | Apr 24 16:49 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Apr 24 16:49 |
| I am unable to view the theme preview, looks like flash | Apr 24 16:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Who said the PAP does not believe in minimum wages? The ministerial minimum wage is S$1.5million per annum! :-) #sgelection | Apr 24 16:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Sydney June 16 debate, Kristinn vs. Downer http://is.gd/1Br687 | Apr 24 16:52 | |
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| ah yes, the Techights pillars, those are good. do you have a larger size of them? | Apr 24 16:53 | |
| schestowitz | Hm.. not as simple as I thought.. http://codex.wordpress.org/Create_A_Network | Apr 24 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: I think so.. | Apr 24 16:55 |
| schestowitz | we could just make a new domain for techrightslegal | Apr 24 16:55 |
| schestowitz | maybe call it something else altogether | Apr 24 16:56 |
| schestowitz | !google legalrights.org | Apr 24 16:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Free Legal Advice in 100+ Law Topics - Law Attorney | http://www.freeadvice.com/ | Apr 24 16:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Human rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights | Apr 24 16:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Center for Student Legal Services at Ohio University | http://www.studentlegalrights.org/ | Apr 24 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Some parker already took the domian | Apr 24 16:56 |
| schestowitz | *main | Apr 24 16:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Blood in Bahrain & Syria, censorship below media radar (video) http://is.gd/MoPqE2 | Apr 24 16:58 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2tvhNFPDGo&NR=1&feature=fvwp | Apr 24 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | > I'm not sure I understand. Isn't there a group doing this already? | Apr 24 17:00 |
| schestowitz | > If the community wants to help, that would be the way, I would think, | Apr 24 17:00 |
| schestowitz | > rather than duplicating. I'm trying to recall the name, but they take | Apr 24 17:00 |
| schestowitz | > PACER stuff and make it publicly available. Isn't the Freedom to | Apr 24 17:00 |
| schestowitz | > Tinker guy involved in that? | Apr 24 17:00 |
| !google techrights legal | Apr 24 17:00 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - OpenDocument Format in Indonesia and OOXML in Court | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/04/18/ooxml-patent-complications/ | Apr 24 17:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Groklaw Defamed by Microsoft Boosters as Pamela Jones Steps Down ... | http://techrights.org/2011/04/11/revisionism-and-distortion-re-gl/ | Apr 24 17:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - The Legal 'Industry' of Software Patents | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/04/21/saddling-sw-with-legal-expenses/ | Apr 24 17:00 |
| schestowitz | The suggestion was that cases involving FOSS in particular should be highlighted. As I'm not a legal expert, I don't know who can run such a thing with such a focus. | Apr 24 17:01 |
| The people at GL have a specific expertise in the SCO case, Microsoft's anti-competitive copyright lawsuit that is now morphing into a patent attack | Apr 24 17:02 | |
| PJ was starting to work on that. | Apr 24 17:02 | |
| DaemonFC | OOXML is ZOMG the most OPENEST STANDARD *_EVER_*!!!! ZOMG, WHY DO PEOPLE HATE IT!?!?!!!!111one WE NEED AN OFFICE SUITE WRITTEN IN ZOMGSILVERLIGHT!!!!1111 | Apr 24 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | -Miguel on Planet GNOME | Apr 24 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 17:02 |
| legal.techrights.org ? | Apr 24 17:03 | |
| DaemonFC | KWITCHERBICHEN!!!! MICROSOFT SEZ *SOME* OF IT IS LIKE ZOMG COMMUNITY PROMISE!!!!111 | Apr 24 17:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxformat.com/content/whatever-happened-groklaw | Apr 24 17:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Whatever happened to Groklaw? | Linux Format .::. Size~: 29.37 KB | Apr 24 17:03 |
| schestowitz | "Exhibit A as is this story, titled "Novell 'forking' OpenOffice.org". The gist of the story is this: Novell is wants to implement support for Microsoft's OpenXML data format in OpenOffice.org, which therefore means they are forking OOo." | Apr 24 17:04 |
| schestowitz | But Groklaw was correct | Apr 24 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | supporting it and encouraging it aren't the same thing | Apr 24 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | Wine doesn't encourage people to use Windows software, it just supports some of it you probably already have | Apr 24 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think anyone is going to say "Oh look, LibreOffice has some broken OOXML support mainly intended to let me open documents people send me....I should like, use OOXML to save documents with it!" | Apr 24 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | I tried OOo Novell Edition, they overhyped it a lot | Apr 24 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Well, it's Novell | Apr 24 17:09 |
| schestowitz | That's how they do bizniz | Apr 24 17:09 |
| *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Apr 24 17:10 | |
| 2006 GL FUD form Linux Format, " Groklaw is starting to suck" Bruce Byfield said the same stuff in his obituary. | Apr 24 17:15 | |
| PJ was absolutely right when she said, " So, while Novell may call this "Novell OpenOffice.org" I feel free to call it "Sellout Linux OpenOffice.org". Money can do strange things to people." | Apr 24 17:16 | |
| she later got the Novell/Microsoft contract and showed how the project was intended to suck and fail | Apr 24 17:16 | |
| We now have to be careful of the Libre Office fork because it has old Novell code in it. | Apr 24 17:17 | |
| especially the OOXML junk | Apr 24 17:17 | |
| Roy, did you try to send me an image via IM? | Apr 24 17:18 | |
| ... ut oh | Apr 24 17:19 | |
| I might have to change out my gateway. I've been meaning to do that anyway. | Apr 24 17:19 | |
| Ender2070 | [03:49] <schestowitz> OMG LOL | Apr 24 17:25 |
| Ender2070 | yeah OMG LOL | Apr 24 17:25 |
| there are some things that email is still good for. | Apr 24 17:27 | |
| Roy, would you mind sending those things by email? | Apr 24 17:28 | |
| Ender2070 | whos behind the conspiracy to add .doc support | Apr 24 17:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks Nicaragua begins http://alturl.com/myted | Apr 24 17:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks Kazakstan begins http://alturl.com/ycmbc | Apr 24 17:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Monarchy still broadly relevant, Britons say - http://bit.ly/gon9Zd interesting figures; confirms my impressions #uk | Apr 24 17:40 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Monarchy still broadly relevant, Britons say | UK news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 132.85 KB | Apr 24 17:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Useful: Bradley Manning organizing toolkit: http://alturl.com/cemkr | Apr 24 17:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] #Apple: "We must Have Comprehensive Location Data" - http://ur1.ca/3znnd not the iPhoneys, rotten Apple. What's your excuse now, fanboy? | Apr 24 17:47 | |
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| Sun, but they did it honestly and right -> (09:35:34 AM) Ender2070: whos behind the conspiracy to add .doc support | Apr 24 17:49 | |
| Star Office had a history before Sun though. | Apr 24 17:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Been looking at the aforementioned Wintroll and he claims to be a musician..lol..so thats why he comments on sound related threads! | Apr 24 17:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Desvendada trafulhice das agências de rating - http://ur1.ca/3znph míope. Ao pressionar, fatias desvalorizam mas garantem pagamento c/+valia | Apr 24 17:50 | |
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| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_office | Apr 24 17:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Web admin lesson du Jour: You can't place robots.txt in subdirectories.... | Apr 24 17:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] New York, Union Square: The Great WikiLeaks easter egg hunt, this afternoon: http://alturl.com/md4sk | Apr 24 17:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] The fact rotten #Apple says 'we' strongly suggests that at some point they get the data. | Apr 24 17:53 | |
| schestowitz | I might register a new domain for a legal site | Apr 24 17:54 |
| schestowitz | It would also be technically simpler in some ways, due to the way wp is installed in techrighrs (shane put that on root, which is bad practice) | Apr 24 17:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Tonight, New York East Village, Theatre 80, 7:30pm: Manning-Assange Resurrection Night http://is.gd/okfVTH | Apr 24 17:57 | |
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| Ender2070 | it's rather silly to boycott something because it can open a format you don't like | Apr 24 17:58 |
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| Ender2070 | im sure VLC supporting wmv means they are promoting, advertising and suggesting users use that format | Apr 24 18:00 |
| Ender2070 | </sarcasm> | Apr 24 18:00 |
| schestowitz | not the point | Apr 24 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Remember the real argument | Apr 24 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Novell helped approval of OOXMXL | Apr 24 18:01 |
| schestowitz | That's the question we dealt with back then | Apr 24 18:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] ☆ Document Foundation Member: Having applied for membership as soon as the process was announced, I’m honoured t... http://wmk.me/dXxRl8 | Apr 24 18:15 | |
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| Ender2070 | what difference does it make if your office suite opens OOXML, it opens .doc and .docx and it's not forcing you to save new documents as OOXML | Apr 24 18:23 |
| Ender2070 | when you boycott .doc and .docx in openoffice, ill consider the arguements here | Apr 24 18:24 |
| Ender2070 | if you don't like it there is always AbiWord | Apr 24 18:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] The National Centre for Cyberstalking Research – Your experiences are wanted! http://tinyurl.com/6ysgpxu | Apr 24 18:25 | |
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| Ender2070 | oh nevermind | Apr 24 18:26 |
| Ender2070 | AbiWord is part of the conspiracy too | Apr 24 18:26 |
| the point is that OOXML is a patent trap and Novell helped put it there as well as helping to make OOXML a "standard" | Apr 24 18:35 | |
| and no one uses ooxml | Apr 24 18:36 | |
| Microsoft failed to push it on the world, free software people have better things to do than help them get what they want. | Apr 24 18:36 | |
| Ender2070 | exactly | Apr 24 18:38 |
| Ender2070 | [13:34] <twitter> and no one uses ooxml | Apr 24 18:38 |
| Ender2070 | who fucking cares | Apr 24 18:38 |
| Ender2070 | if you're not using it, it doesnt effect you | Apr 24 18:38 |
| schestowitz | twitter: thank you for the banner | Apr 24 18:38 |
| schestowitz | May I propose the following: | Apr 24 18:38 |
| Ender2070 | its not like they are forcing you to use OOXML | Apr 24 18:38 |
| Ender2070 | just like im not forced to use firefox because its the default browser on every distro | Apr 24 18:39 |
| schestowitz | We do not know yet is anyone can run this and we do not know if it's a blog/domain/subdomain, so for now I'll create a wiki page as a placeholder and accommodate explain things. Gimme a few minutes | Apr 24 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: people do care | Apr 24 18:39 |
| Ender2070 | except at least I kind of need to use firefox once to grab a chromium package | Apr 24 18:39 |
| schestowitz | And what I said to you before does apply and it did at the time | Apr 24 18:40 |
| You are welcome, | Apr 24 18:40 | |
| schestowitz | Were you even active online in 2007? | Apr 24 18:40 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Apr 24 18:40 |
| schestowitz | on OOXML? | Apr 24 18:40 |
| Ender2070 | no because to me its the same as .doc | Apr 24 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Show me your posts on doc formats from 2007 | Apr 24 18:40 |
| Ender2070 | i dont have any | Apr 24 18:40 |
| schestowitz | brb, gotta dp wiki stugfff | Apr 24 18:40 |
| Ender2070 | i simply dont care because they dont effect anyone who uses a proprer format | Apr 24 18:40 |
| thanks, Roy | Apr 24 18:41 | |
| schestowitz | BTW I improved the front page (wiki) of techrights | Apr 24 18:41 |
| schestowitz | See if you can spot the differences | Apr 24 18:41 |
| Ender2070 | novell adding OOXML doesnt stop me from using ODF | Apr 24 18:41 |
| Ender2070 | and if for some reason open office can't format ODF ill use something else | Apr 24 18:41 |
| Ender2070 | in most cases i'm already using somthing else when im not home | Apr 24 18:42 |
| Ender2070 | google docs | Apr 24 18:42 |
| Ender 2070, Right now, people can say, "why are you sending me this OOXML thing? There are several text editors that cost nothing and do a better job. If you can't download Open Office, could you please send it in DOC." | Apr 24 18:42 | |
| Ender2070 | no people are saying "Why are you sending me this .docx thing" | Apr 24 18:42 |
| If we pretend Open Office does OOXML, we give people and government an excuse to buy and push ooxml on the rest of us | Apr 24 18:43 | |
| Ender2070 | "now i have to buy a copy of office 2007 or 2010" | Apr 24 18:43 |
| right | Apr 24 18:43 | |
| Ender2070 | twitter, hate to burst your bubble | Apr 24 18:43 |
| you never really do but go ahead | Apr 24 18:43 | |
| Ender2070 | we're a minority, they'll use OOXML as they see fit regardless | Apr 24 18:43 |
| who is they? | Apr 24 18:44 | |
| Ender2070 | even if we gave linux 20% market share, the government would still use the product that provides for the 80% | Apr 24 18:44 |
| Ender2070 | most places still use .doc even | Apr 24 18:44 |
| Ender2070 | or PDF | Apr 24 18:45 |
| Ender2070 | canadian government publishes using PDF all the time | Apr 24 18:45 |
| Ender2070 | ODF won't change that, nor will OOXML | Apr 24 18:45 |
| Android has better than that already. | Apr 24 18:46 | |
| Ender2070 | removing compatibility with office 2007 and 2010 won't get you new users, as they wont be able to convert over because their documents wont open | Apr 24 18:46 |
| Ender2070 | you have to look at this from all sides | Apr 24 18:46 |
| I imagine there are already Android ODF editors. | Apr 24 18:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Killed some spam, now i'm off out for a beer! | Apr 24 18:47 | |
| Ender2070 | sure | Apr 24 18:47 |
| Ender2070 | you know most users can't even figure out the difference between their computer and an RDP session | Apr 24 18:47 |
| So we need to be sure that government "they" don't do the ooxml thing. | Apr 24 18:47 | |
| that's what needs to be and can be guarded | Apr 24 18:48 | |
| putting ooxml into Open Office makes holes in that defense. | Apr 24 18:48 | |
| Ender2070 | no it doesnt | Apr 24 18:48 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Techrights_Legal | Apr 24 18:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Techrights Legal - Techrights .::. Size~: 12.64 KB | Apr 24 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Expand as you seee fit | Apr 24 18:48 |
| schestowitz | I can add legal documents we have to this index. We have quite a few of those, | Apr 24 18:48 |
| Ender2070 | you hate microsoft so much that you hate their users and want them to fuck off instead of using linux? | Apr 24 18:49 |
| nice, thanks | Apr 24 18:49 | |
| try not to put words into my mouth Ender | Apr 24 18:49 | |
| Ender2070 | thats exactly what you are implying | Apr 24 18:49 |
| Ender2070 | "fuck off we dont want you and your legacy OOXML files" | Apr 24 18:49 |
| that does not follow at all from what I said | Apr 24 18:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] We are looking into the possibility of opening a new legal section of !techrights where court documents of interest will appear | Apr 24 18:50 | |
| Ender2070 | having support for user transition puts holes in the defense | Apr 24 18:50 |
| what I said is that we must guard against having people force ooxml on the rest of us | Apr 24 18:50 | |
| Ender2070 | you absolutely won't get users moving to linux if they can't open their word documents | Apr 24 18:51 |
| Ender2070 | people aren't forcing ooxml on y7ou | Apr 24 18:51 |
| Ender2070 | you* | Apr 24 18:51 |
| and that fake support in Open Office, the kind that Microsoft and Novell planned, would help that force happen | Apr 24 18:51 | |
| Ender2070 | you don't have to use it | Apr 24 18:51 |
| Ender2070 | if its fake support it'll make it look worse as a format | Apr 24 18:51 |
| Ender2070 | thats a good thing | Apr 24 18:51 |
| the force comes when your school or other local government makes you submit things in that format | Apr 24 18:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Still not sure whether to call this "Techrights Legal" or start a new domain/subdomain, but placeholder now up at http://is.gd/yjy4uU | Apr 24 18:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Don't believe Internet trolls who say I ever use something other than #gnu #linux because I don't. The platform is ubiquitous. | Apr 24 18:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] To do the right thing is not to spend time engaging with hecklers, whose role seems to be distraction & exhaustion. Will return to issues. | Apr 24 18:52 | |
| and that force is an injustice | Apr 24 18:52 | |
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| Ender2070 | they already do | Apr 24 18:52 |
| Ender2070 | its not hard, save as in open office | Apr 24 18:52 |
| Ender2070 | when you submit an application for a job electronically you need to submit a .doc file in most cases | Apr 24 18:52 |
| Ender2070 | you wouldnt know, unskilled jobs don't need those | Apr 24 18:52 |
| Ender2070 | and in your utopia, the government will just give you a job that pays the same as everyone else | Apr 24 18:53 |
| the kinds of places that require a .doc instead of a pdf are far and few between these days and it's a sign that you don't want to work there | Apr 24 18:53 | |
| Ender2070 | im going to solve this for roy's sake and just ignore you | Apr 24 18:53 |
| Ender2070 | its too temping to associate twitter with marx | Apr 24 18:54 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Apr 24 18:54 |
| Ender2070 | Roy, I've ignored him from this point on the keep the channel clean of politics | Apr 24 18:54 |
| that's nice | Apr 24 18:54 | |
| Ender2070 | regarding OOXML roy, imo its a double edged sword in regards to supporting the format. | Apr 24 18:55 |
| Let's see if the Groklaw people come and help. | Apr 24 18:55 | |
| Ender2070 | how do you make it compatible and not give government a reason to think its open | Apr 24 18:56 |
| Ender2070 | for the record ill never use docx, and i've only used doc for applying for jobs | Apr 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz | twitter: got a reply | Apr 24 18:58 |
| schestowitz | But it'a private | Apr 24 18:58 |
| schestowitz | PJ | Apr 24 18:58 |
| schestowitz | I asked another person too | Apr 24 18:58 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Apr 24 19:02 |
| ok | Apr 24 19:04 | |
| there are several patent lawsuits out there, which is most worthy of Groklaw style attention? | Apr 24 19:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @mwkn: Apps: Updates to NewsFlow - multi-platform Google Reader client http://is.gd/RwMJzz #maemo | Apr 24 19:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Sony admits #PSN hacked: No restore date in sight - SlashGear http://ping.fm/Mrxph | Apr 24 19:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @neilhimself: RT @SuicideGirls: "Life is a disease: sexually transmitted, and invariably fatal." Neil Gaiman *Photo http://fb.me/WBfAq9JL | Apr 24 19:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] If !empathy stops working for you after the first update of !Fedora 15 beta http://ping.fm/myKB7 | Apr 24 19:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: If empathy stops working for you after the first update of F15 beta « Ankur's Tech blog .::. Size~: 25.05 KB | Apr 24 19:15 |
| *amarsh04 has found OOo writer faster than Abiword on his old slow pc... might be font redering slowing Abiword | Apr 24 19:15 | |
| amarsh04 | back in a few, loading new kernel | Apr 24 19:16 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @Falkvinge: Beautiful justice! RT @Copycense: #Copyright "troll" RIghthaven has #domain seized 4 invalid WHOIS entry http://is.gd/xl8XVr | Apr 24 19:19 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Apr 24 19:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Hacker group !Anonymous is stately flatly that they are not responsible for the #PlayStation Network outage http://ow.ly/4FXLU | Apr 24 19:20 | |
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| sebsebseb | Hi schestowitz | Apr 24 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | hi _Goblin | Apr 24 19:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Ubuntu Unity 2D tweaking tool lets you adjust the Launcher, Dash & enable compositing http://ping.fm/xqJ8G | Apr 24 19:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ubuntu Unity 2D tweaking tool lets you adjust the Launcher, Dash & enable compositing | UbuntuHQ .::. Size~: 9.74 KB | Apr 24 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: can you record now? | Apr 24 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: right so | Apr 24 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: was just telling that Mageia founder about the audiocast again, and yep he's still up for that, later on | Apr 24 19:26 |
| schestowitz | nice | Apr 24 19:27 |
| sebsebseb | so we should both be on the guest page really | Apr 24 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Add it to the wiki if you can | Apr 24 19:27 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I am not signed up on your site (except now I kind of have to) or some troll might take my name, now that this will end up in a log | Apr 24 19:27 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: give me a short while.... | Apr 24 19:30 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: just getting sorted | Apr 24 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Thanks :-) | Apr 24 19:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Mich. Lawmaker’s Plan Requires Foster Kids to Shop at Thrift Stores - http://gaw.kr/fx2PRe can't let them be pampered too much... | Apr 24 19:32 | |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz: can we do a standard high quality show tonight.... | Apr 24 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Sure | Apr 24 19:34 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: like we used too......we can sort out cams later tonight for an easter weekend show | Apr 24 19:34 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: I think cam on every show is a little difficult for me due to people coming in and out of the room im in | Apr 24 19:34 |
| schestowitz | I know, no worries | Apr 24 19:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #London Olympics #pollution on course to land Britain hefty fine from IOC - http://bit.ly/fWIg06 stop sniggering, #beijing | Apr 24 19:35 | |
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| OO is fast these days. My old favorite, Kword, has KDE 4 rendering issues and is now sluggish. The 3 branch of Kword was about as fast as Abiword but had a better interface for me. | Apr 24 19:36 | |
| I'd use Abiword but I'm not sure if they did ODF any justice | Apr 24 19:36 | |
| it's worth looking at again | Apr 24 19:37 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: So when is Stallman going on the show probably? | Apr 24 19:37 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: ^ | Apr 24 19:37 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: hi! | Apr 24 19:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Gordon, you there? We are hoping to record shortly.... | Apr 24 19:38 | |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: uh send the message to him or he might not see it ^ | Apr 24 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: you went to everyone subscribed to you, it won't show in his replies | Apr 24 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | sent not went above | Apr 24 19:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange on the global youth revolution: (video) http://is.gd/yhlWbA | Apr 24 19:42 | |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: I don't know yet | Apr 24 19:42 |
| schestowitz | But we will hopefully make progress with SIP | Apr 24 19:42 |
| schestowitz | If not, I can do an RMS segment when he's in Massachusetts | Apr 24 19:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @ender2070: UK made commitments to be green, detailed in article; it's failing to meet most of them | Apr 24 19:43 | |
| AbiWord from Debian testing seems to work with my stuff and the interface is a little cleaner than Kword and OOWriter. I'll have to see how it prints. It's wonderful how standards like ODF just work. | Apr 24 19:43 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hmm right I guess | Apr 24 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: I love Abiword :) my favourite word proccessor | Apr 24 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | very much so keep it simple st upid | Apr 24 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | looks a bit old though, looks like a old version of Microsoft Word with some differences before 2007 | Apr 24 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Apr 24 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | well that's what makes it good really :) | Apr 24 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | and the lack of bloat features | Apr 24 19:44 |
| It's much cleaner than Word. | Apr 24 19:45 | |
| sebsebseb | what do you mean cleaner? | Apr 24 19:45 |
| even old versions of Word were cluttered with drawing tools and other stuff that no one should use. | Apr 24 19:45 | |
| sebsebseb | true quite a lot of stuff that will hardly be used in Word 97 for example | Apr 24 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | Office 2007 interface is horrible really, from what I have seen of it | Apr 24 19:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] US rendition chickens may come home to roost with trial of Mubarak | SMH http://is.gd/kgWJCb | Apr 24 19:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Record heist: US bankers seize billions from Libya http://is.gd/g2wCqE but who will spend it? http://is.gd/SEDb95 | Apr 24 19:57 | |
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| Ender2070 | sebsebseb - I like the non-bloat of AbiWord too | Apr 24 19:59 |
| is there a way to edit the techrighs wiki without using the goofy wiki editor? I have lots of ordinary html that I'd like to add. | Apr 24 19:59 | |
| I've always hated that wiki editors use fake codes instead of straight html | Apr 24 20:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Biggest heist ever: US banks seize billions from Libya http://is.gd/SEDb95 but who will spend it? http://is.gd/g2wCqE | Apr 24 20:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft’s Indian ‘Branches’ and #TCS Harming India With Software Patents] http://is.gd/J8KXpS #microsoft #swpats #india #infosys | Apr 24 20:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Microsoft’s Indian ‘Branches’ and TCS Harming India With Software Patents] http://is.gd/J8KXpS #swpats #asia | Apr 24 20:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] The parasite feeding frenzy: movies, books all contributing /bin/sh to WikiLeaks and its defense http://wikileaks-movie.com/ | Apr 24 20:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Tell @SenatorDurbin: Don't put #SocialSecurity on the chopping block. http://ur1.ca/3zqq9 | Apr 24 20:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] UN torture investigator blocked access to Manning (interview) http://alturl.com/bujqw | Apr 24 20:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is thistleweb with 62 dents! | Apr 24 20:50 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: _Goblin I have a suggestion for a Techbytes guest by the way, Jono Bacon | Apr 24 20:50 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: _Goblin or maybe some how, could get someone a bit better in a way, such as Jorge Castro | Apr 24 20:50 |
| sebsebseb | or maybe could have both even | Apr 24 20:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Two days left! Pay what you want for the @Humble Frozenbyte Bundle and benefit charity. http://www.humblebundle.com | Apr 24 20:58 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Humble Frozenbyte Bundle (pay what you want for five awesome video games) .::. Size~: 81.78 KB | Apr 24 20:58 |
| iDataCenter is coal powered, shame on Apple. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Apple's_data_is_dirtiest,_says_Greenpeace | Apr 24 21:04 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Apple's data is dirtiest, says Greenpeace - Wikinews, the free news source .::. Size~: 38.51 KB | Apr 24 21:04 |
| Overall data centers use 2% of US electricity. That is probably behind paper, which is the fifth largest use in the US | Apr 24 21:07 | |
| yeah, that's what I thought. paper uses 4% of US electricity, twice as much as computers. | Apr 24 21:09 | |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_pollution | Apr 24 21:09 | |
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| The other day, someone told me that solar electricity was a farce because the cells produced less electricity that was used to make them. I wonder if any power source is actually net positive. | Apr 24 21:12 | |
| Would coal be if the plant had to provide all the power to build the plant then mine and transport all the coal? | Apr 24 21:13 | |
| nuclear? | Apr 24 21:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !listening to Rathole Radio live from Liverpool! !rr http://ratholeradio.org/ | Apr 24 21:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Happy Easter From Geek&Poke http://goo.gl/RMMmE | Apr 24 21:20 | |
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| amarsh04 | photo-voltaics don't produce by-products whilst in operation (coal produces carbon dioxide, other chemicals and water vapour, coal and nuclear increase the heat of the earth) | Apr 24 21:20 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Canonical Design: !Unity Benchmark Usability – April 2011 http://goo.gl/v6Jb4 | Apr 24 21:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Jorge Castro: Road tripping with !UbuntuOne Music http://goo.gl/nWofp | Apr 24 21:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Launchpad updated featured projects list http://goo.gl/rFSF6 | Apr 24 21:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: ‘Daily Journal’ adds calendar-based note navigation http://goo.gl/KH7Gn | Apr 24 21:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: #Shotwell 0.9.3 now available; brings fixes http://goo.gl/Uuh6A | Apr 24 21:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Heads up: !Unity working with the latest #Virtualbox http://goo.gl/k6QV4 | Apr 24 21:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Mowing the lawn with Ubuntu http://goo.gl/RUtpw | Apr 24 21:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Understanding Version Control Systems, Part 1 http://goo.gl/SfErW | Apr 24 21:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Jordan Mantha: Daily Journal 10.04.1 released http://goo.gl/F4U3n | Apr 24 21:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Martin Owens: !Canonical fails to step on Community: Shock, Gasp http://goo.gl/4ciLm | Apr 24 21:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Richard Johnson: !Canonical shut down Sounder? No, they didn't! http://goo.gl/Q8xL0 !u | Apr 24 21:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] If you have no clue how to use IRC don't worry, go to webchat.freenode.net and just enter #ratholeradio in the channel box. !rr | Apr 24 21:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Full Circle Magazine Issue 48 released: http://goo.gl/RG67c !u | Apr 24 21:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] The Fridge: Interview with Jessica Ledbetter http://goo.gl/HEfR0 !u | Apr 24 21:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !GNOME 3 Live image version 1.1.0 released http://goo.gl/Fu0qg | Apr 24 21:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @osamak: install this script by @turl http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/94609 to have HTML5 on youtube without account | Apr 24 21:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !listening to !20lb with @methoddan @ #rr2011 Rathole Radio Live !rr | Apr 24 22:00 | |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: ounds quality is not perfect | Apr 24 22:09 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure why, haven't changed anything | Apr 24 22:09 |
| schestowitz | maybe click removal does it | Apr 24 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Ah! | Apr 24 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Just tested it | Apr 24 22:10 |
| schestowitz | It's click removal which seems to chmp your voice | Apr 24 22:11 |
| schestowitz | I'll avoid it from now on then (bad filter) | Apr 24 22:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #PaulAllen on another self promo kick http://is.gd/cjASAn attacking #Microsoft rivals, anyone surprised? | Apr 24 22:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] sitting in sebas' back yard drinking wine beneath the stars here in the netherlands. tokamak 5 starts tomorrow! | Apr 24 22:20 | |
| *schestowitz installing sip phone while encoding, back in a mo | Apr 24 22:27 | |
| cubezzz | ah, Gates tried to buy him out for $5 per share | Apr 24 22:28 |
| *Disconnected (Connection timed out). | Apr 24 22:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @osamak: install this script by @turl http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/94609 to have HTML5 on youtube without account | Apr 24 16:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !listening to !20lb with @methoddan @ #rr2011 Rathole Radio Live !rr | Apr 24 16:59 | |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: ounds quality is not perfect | Apr 24 17:08 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure why, haven't changed anything | Apr 24 17:08 |
| schestowitz | maybe click removal does it | Apr 24 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Ah! | Apr 24 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Just tested it | Apr 24 17:09 |
| schestowitz | It's click removal which seems to chmp your voice | Apr 24 17:09 |
| schestowitz | I'll avoid it from now on then (bad filter) | Apr 24 17:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #PaulAllen on another self promo kick http://is.gd/cjASAn attacking #Microsoft rivals, anyone surprised? | Apr 24 17:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] sitting in sebas' back yard drinking wine beneath the stars here in the netherlands. tokamak 5 starts tomorrow! | Apr 24 17:19 | |
| *schestowitz installing sip phone while encoding, back in a mo | Apr 24 17:25 | |
| cubezzz | ah, Gates tried to buy him out for $5 per share | Apr 24 17:26 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Is there something like #shotwell just for videos? #Fedora | Apr 24 17:35 | |
| sebsebseb | sebsebseb: hmm | Apr 24 17:49 |
| sebsebseb | oh Roy isn't here no wonder | Apr 24 17:49 |
| sebsebseb | ^ | Apr 24 17:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] DoPSBox 0.74-PS3-R1 Emulator Released http://is.gd/IjtXt6 WIN95 on #PS3 with #DOSBOX Someone needs this? | Apr 24 17:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Kentucky Man Invents Bourbon Whisky Powered Car http://ow.ly/4G0Hw | Apr 24 17:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Laters !identiverse :) | Apr 24 17:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] http://ur1.ca/3zt5y - Why start-ups who are applying for a patent are doing it wrong #blogged | Apr 24 18:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Qubes http://goo.gl/xSe4 looks really interesting - shame the author thought she had to dis !Linux to promote it tho http://goo.gl/GiHgs | Apr 24 18:07 | |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz: Rusty is a good lad isn't he? - He made for a good show.... | Apr 24 18:07 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: pleased I found him and his show. | Apr 24 18:07 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Do you want me to edit the guest page in a particular way, or don't you really care, how I add the Mageia founder and myself to it? | Apr 24 18:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] um exemplo a ser seguido: ♻ @ufa: Anunciantes: saibam que quando vcs direcionam propaganda pra criança, eu boicoto seus produtos | Apr 24 18:15 | |
| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 24 22:57:26 2011 | ||
| *Now talking on #techrights | Apr 24 22:57 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom | Apr 24 22:57 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Wed Sep 22 21:19:38 2010 | Apr 24 22:57 | |
| -NickServ-You are now identified for schestowitz. | Apr 24 22:57 | |
| -MemoServ-You have 8 new memos. | Apr 24 22:57 | |
| -MemoServ-To read them, type /msg MemoServ READ NEW | Apr 24 22:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] http://ur1.ca/3zt5y - Why start-ups who are applying for a patent are doing it wrong #blogged | Apr 24 23:02 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Patents are bad, mkay? « Bon sans nom .::. Size~: 29.09 KB | Apr 24 23:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Qubes http://goo.gl/xSe4 looks really interesting - shame the author thought she had to dis !Linux to promote it tho http://goo.gl/GiHgs | Apr 24 23:07 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Why Your Linux Desktop is Insecure - Security Watch .::. Size~: 49.46 KB | Apr 24 23:07 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Rusty is a good lad isn't he? - He made for a good show.... | Apr 24 23:07 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: pleased I found him and his show. | Apr 24 23:07 |
| *DaemonFC (~ryan@adsl-99-33-234-112.dsl.sbndin.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 23:08 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Do you want me to edit the guest page in a particular way, or don't you really care, how I add the Mageia founder and myself to it? | Apr 24 23:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] um exemplo a ser seguido: ♻ @ufa: Anunciantes: saibam que quando vcs direcionam propaganda pra criança, eu boicoto seus produtos | Apr 24 23:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Universe 1.0.2 released to !webOS store, and as GPL! http://ur1.ca/3ztis portion of profits to go to @webosinternals | Apr 24 23:20 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mobile Life: Introducing Universe, v1.0.2 .::. Size~: 19.31 KB | Apr 24 23:20 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: what track have you chosen for the end (I'm nearly finished on the show notes) | Apr 24 23:22 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: he's great | Apr 24 23:25 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: as you see fit | Apr 24 23:25 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: we'll do TechBytes Video | Apr 24 23:25 |
| schestowitz | As a separate series | Apr 24 23:25 |
| _Goblin | Im pleased you liked Rusty.. | Apr 24 23:26 |
| schestowitz | When we feel like chatting for 10 minutes or so and when the situation is suitable, e.g. daylight, no wife around | Apr 24 23:26 |
| _Goblin | nice chap,,,, | Apr 24 23:26 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: i made a mistake with thr track | Apr 24 23:26 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: we can arrange something in the next few days | Apr 24 23:26 |
| schestowitz | I named the track I was not listening to | Apr 24 23:26 |
| schestowitz | So I'll play what I named | Apr 24 23:26 |
| _Goblin | ok...cool | Apr 24 23:26 |
| schestowitz | And shorten out the weird bits | Apr 24 23:26 |
| _Goblin | well the show notes are done | Apr 24 23:27 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: yes, maybe even tomorrow | Apr 24 23:27 |
| schestowitz | I'm encoding the second file now | Apr 24 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Out of 3 | Apr 24 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Quality if good this time | Apr 24 23:27 |
| schestowitz | See my remarks, your voice is detectd as clicks | Apr 24 23:27 |
| schestowitz | And then shaved off by that filter I now avoid | Apr 24 23:27 |
| _Goblin | ah | Apr 24 23:28 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: _Goblin Right there we go: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Possible_TechBytes_Guests | Apr 24 23:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Possible TechBytes Guests - Techrights .::. Size~: 12.88 KB | Apr 24 23:29 |
| sebsebseb | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Possible_TechBytes_Guests | Apr 24 23:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Possible TechBytes Guests - Techrights .::. Size~: 12.88 KB | Apr 24 23:29 |
| schestowitz | The file is massive | Apr 24 23:30 |
| schestowitz | I once again overdid it | Apr 24 23:30 |
| schestowitz | oversampled | Apr 24 23:30 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: thanks. Excellent | Apr 24 23:30 |
| _Goblin | I should really be more proactive to get some more guests... | Apr 24 23:30 |
| _Goblin | I should followup the Puppy Arcade dev. | Apr 24 23:31 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: _Goblin I suggested Jono Bacon and Jorge Castro maybe even, here earlier, but I think both of you may have missed that | Apr 24 23:31 |
| _Goblin | ah yes sorry.....we were recording | Apr 24 23:31 |
| _Goblin | Jono...good choice, but then most every audiocast has had him on...... | Apr 24 23:31 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well you know Jono, and he even interviewed you on Linux Format, so getting a few Canonical people, probably woudn't be that difficult, via him | Apr 24 23:32 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: exactly, but not Techbytes yet | Apr 24 23:32 |
| _Goblin | If he was to agree, I would like it when/if he releases more great Severed Fifth material | Apr 24 23:32 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Get Linus :D | Apr 24 23:32 |
| _Goblin | my real goal would be..... | Apr 24 23:32 |
| _Goblin | the ultimate guest | Apr 24 23:33 |
| _Goblin | the ultimate draw..... | Apr 24 23:33 |
| _Goblin | Andrew Crossley | Apr 24 23:33 |
| _Goblin | we could guarantee nearly every torrentfreak reader would listen to that show. | Apr 24 23:33 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: maybe get some of the Free Software Foundation type people that are on identica, at least one of them came here sometimes I think and then I subscribed on Identica | Apr 24 23:33 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: plus there's that Bkuhm person on Identica whoever that is, someone to do with the GPL I think | Apr 24 23:33 |
| _Goblin | steve ballmer? | Apr 24 23:33 |
| _Goblin | he could talk about how he's going to **ckin bury google | Apr 24 23:34 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: yeah Steve Ballmar, could be interesting, we could have stallman on there saying how great Free Software is, and well Steve Ballmer on there soon after saying the opposite :D | Apr 24 23:34 |
| _Goblin | but doesn't Microsoft love FOSS? ;) | Apr 24 23:35 |
| _Goblin | It just goes to show how important Microsoft is.....we didn't mention them hardly at all in this show.... | Apr 24 23:37 |
| _Goblin | its getting difficult to find anything of note to talk about regarding them. | Apr 24 23:37 |
| _Goblin | of course patent maneuvers are par for the course, but tech wise? Can't think of anything of note recently, unless we talk again about how many WP7's they are not selling | Apr 24 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: schestowitz Hmm something tells me that maybe later on, I will be able to get one or two more Mageia people maybe | Apr 24 23:39 |
| schestowitz | [23:31] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: _Goblin I suggested Jono Bacon and Jorge Castro maybe even, here earlier, but I think both of you may have missed that | Apr 24 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Castro doesn't like me cause of mono | Apr 24 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Castro doesn't exactly like me either :D | Apr 24 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | ,because of some things I said in open week and that kind of thing | Apr 24 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: maybe we can some how get, Laura Czkowski (or however her last name is spelt) the Ubuntu Loco teams woman | Apr 24 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | also a Freenode staff | Apr 24 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | and she works for the same company as popey now | Apr 24 23:41 |
| sebsebseb | well I think it's the same company yeah, and Alan Bell as well | Apr 24 23:41 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: day off tomorrow, right? | Apr 24 23:41 |
| _Goblin | yep and tuesday | Apr 24 23:41 |
| _Goblin | back on wednesday | Apr 24 23:41 |
| schestowitz | !google oreilly fuck it we'll do it live | Apr 24 23:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - YouTube - Bill O'Reilly Flips Out | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D2tJjNVVwRCY | Apr 24 23:41 |
| _Goblin | and I STILL havent watched Harry Potter on BluRay yet. | Apr 24 23:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - YouTube - Fuck It, We'll Do It (Live) - Sting. | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DKt-5K7Q_iPQ | Apr 24 23:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Fuck It, We'll Do It Live - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuck_It,_We%27ll_Do_It_Live | Apr 24 23:41 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: maybe we should get one of the main Omgubuntu people heh heh, yeah such as Joey and/or Benjamin | Apr 24 23:41 |
| schestowitz | to talk about shiny shiny and not issues :0/ | Apr 24 23:42 |
| sebsebseb | sure and their love for Mono? :D | Apr 24 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: _Goblin Anyway I think Techbytes could get quite a lot of guests, just got to ask on IRC, or on Identica/Twitter and sometimes email even | Apr 24 23:44 |
| _Goblin | I would like a scene crew on..... | Apr 24 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | scene crew? | Apr 24 23:44 |
| _Goblin | that would make an interesting ep | Apr 24 23:44 |
| _Goblin | "warez" | Apr 24 23:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wall Street Journal calls for Assange to be indicted for espionage after reading fantasy novel http://is.gd/u9aJOB | Apr 24 23:45 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Crovitz: WikiLeaks and the Espionage Act - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 135.18 KB | Apr 24 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh yeah one time in jono's ustream, I recommended to some guy or whatever, in the chat, Linux Mint, Jorge saw that, and really didn't like that | Apr 24 23:46 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: schestowitz Anyway I been thinking, Ubuntu should be a first stepping stone distro really, straight from Windows or Mac OS X, and then ideally people should move on to other distro's :) also Unity is well more training wheels | Apr 24 23:46 |
| sebsebseb | also one of the community memebers I found out the other night, that he uses Debian, apprnatly he told me this before though | Apr 24 23:46 |
| _Goblin | but then if it works for people, why switch? not everyone wants to fiddle with the "engine" when the car works properly. | Apr 24 23:47 |
| sebsebseb | also with Linux Mint a lot of the main people who help out, are yep using other distro's | Apr 24 23:47 |
| _Goblin | and damn.... | Apr 24 23:47 |
| _Goblin | forgot to mention something on Techbytes | Apr 24 23:47 |
| _Goblin | my dive into Minecraft | Apr 24 23:47 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hmm now my host name will show in log, unless that's sorted out ^ | Apr 24 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | not a big deal, but still | Apr 24 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | lost the connection there | Apr 24 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | [23:45] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: oh yeah one time in jono's ustream, I recommended to some guy or whatever, in the chat, Linux Mint, Jorge saw that, and really didn't like that | Apr 24 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | [23:46] <sebsebseb> _Goblin: schestowitz Anyway I been thinking, Ubuntu should be a first stepping stone distro really, straight from Windows or Mac OS X, and then ideally people should move on to other distro's :) also Unity is well more training wheels | Apr 24 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | [23:46] <sebsebseb> also one of the community memebers I found out the other night, that he uses Debian, apprnatly he told me this before though | Apr 24 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | [23:47] <sebsebseb> also with Linux Mint a lot of the main people who help out, are yep using other distro's | Apr 24 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: also on the subject of this kind of thing, when I signed up on the site, it said I had a differnet ip address hmm, to the one I have, strange | Apr 24 23:49 |
| sebsebseb | also I noticed how the nicks seemed to always start with a capital, which is the more correct way really, but so used to people starting with a small letter now | Apr 24 23:49 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: you probably have a dynamic IP | Apr 24 23:51 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: nothing strange there....If I want a static with O2 I have to pay more | Apr 24 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: no I have a static | Apr 24 23:52 |
| _Goblin | ah | Apr 24 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: which is why I thought it was odd that it was saying another ip address on techbytes site | Apr 24 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | my ip address changes very rarely, and then I checked to see what external ip address I had, and yep the same as before | Apr 24 23:52 |
| Ender2070 | O2 is evil | Apr 24 23:55 |
| Ender2070 | its the heinous part of C02 | Apr 24 23:55 |
| _Goblin | I'll agree there! | Apr 24 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I remember the people who think, they are more anoymous or something, if there ip address changes a lot heh heh | Apr 24 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | oh and now we got these like more secure apparnatly and encrypted search enginges, you know the ones I mean, uh what's the point really, when only going on legal sites? | Apr 24 23:58 |
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