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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS_6Df4YcZIMay 18 12:42
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube         - INDIVIDUALISTS - HATE WEEK! - Day Four .::. Size~: 129.5 KBMay 18 12:42
schestowitz>> > sudo make me a sandwich.May 18 12:42
schestowitz>> > May 18 12:42
schestowitz>> > You got the history wrong. It was invented and patented by Microsoft 3May 18 12:42
schestowitz>> > years ago ;-)May 18 12:42
schestowitz>> > May 18 12:42
schestowitz> Stuff doesn't exist until Bill Gates invents it.  He invented theMay 18 12:42
schestowitz> Internet, IIRC in Lund,Sweden....May 18 12:43
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schestowitzRe: [Softwarepatents] UK IP ReformMay 18 13:56
schestowitz>> While, IMO, there it not much "reform" happening, here is an interestedMay 18 13:56
schestowitz>> quote from the following link:May 18 13:56
schestowitz>>May 18 13:57
schestowitz>> "The IPO will also trial a peer to patent project, which aims to improve theMay 18 13:57
schestowitz>> quality of the patents by ensuring they are sufficiently new and inventive.May 18 13:57
schestowitz>> Patent examiners cannot be expected to have access to all the informationMay 18 13:57
schestowitz>> already in the public domain and this project aims to address that. In theMay 18 13:57
schestowitz> May 18 13:57
schestowitz> "Patent examiners cannot be expected to have access to all theMay 18 13:57
schestowitz> information already in the public domain"May 18 13:57
schestowitz> May 18 13:57
schestowitz> What are they supposed to do then?May 18 13:57
schestowitz> May 18 13:57
schestowitz> Anyway, trying to find prior art in software is a desperate attempt toMay 18 13:57
schestowitz> give swpats more validity.May 18 13:57
schestowitzyeah, going through all the code ever writtenMay 18 13:57
schestowitzWHAT A JOKE :-)May 18 13:57
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schestowitz>> Comments anyone?May 18 15:55
schestowitz> May 18 15:55
schestowitz> This report ought be a huge success for all against software patents.May 18 15:55
schestowitz> May 18 15:55
schestowitz> May 18 15:55
schestowitz> The thing is: we don't have to prove patents are harmful: we just have May 18 15:55
schestowitz> to prove that any involvement by state institutions is strongly dubious.May 18 15:55
schestowitz> May 18 15:56
schestowitz> Because any government has to prove that money spent, is spent in a May 18 15:56
schestowitz> useful way.May 18 15:56
schestowitz> May 18 15:56
schestowitz> Thus, the UK government should abandon supporting any form of patenting May 18 15:56
schestowitz> in areas in which the 'benefit' of patenting is simply unproven, and May 18 15:56
schestowitz> possibly harmful.May 18 15:56
schestowitz> May 18 15:56
schestowitz> May 18 15:56
schestowitz> I've not seen this angle often, but I think it's crucial - government May 18 15:56
schestowitz> needs to apply a sort of Ockham's razor for their activities.May 18 15:56
schestowitz> May 18 15:56
schestowitz> May 18 15:56
schestowitz> The big thing to attack is this conclusion:May 18 15:56
schestowitz> May 18 15:56
schestowitz> "In the absence of clear evidence of the benefit of changing policy on May 18 15:56
schestowitz> patent protection for computer program or business methods, any move to May 18 15:56
schestowitz> strengthen, or indeed weaken, IP protection in this area cannot claim to May 18 15:56
schestowitz> rest on solid economic evidence."May 18 15:56
schestowitz> May 18 15:56
schestowitz> That's where they screw us. It should be:May 18 15:56
schestowitz> May 18 15:56
schestowitz> "In the absence of clear evidence of the benefit of patent protection May 18 15:56
schestowitz> for computer program or business methods, the move should be to drop IP May 18 15:56
schestowitz> protection in this area because it cannot claim to rest on solid May 18 15:56
schestowitz> economic evidence."May 18 15:56
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schestowitz> May 18 15:56
schestowitz> [Note that I personally think there is clear evidence that software May 18 15:56
schestowitz> patents are extremely harmful, but that's beside the point]May 18 15:56
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2011-05-17-008-41-SC-EM-NT-0000May 18 19:34
TechrightsBotTitle: Linux Today - Android has a gaping network security hole .::. Size~: 54.7 KBMay 18 19:34
schestowitz"May 18 19:34
schestowitzSomeone please tell these 'GPA geniuses without a grip'May 18 19:34
schestowitzthat transmitting password equivalents unencryptedMay 18 19:34
schestowitzaccross the internet is a really bad idea, this beingMay 18 19:34
schestowitza rather well-known fact since at least 1988 (firstMay 18 19:34
schestowitzpublication of the Kerberos protocol by MIT, accordingMay 18 19:34
schestowitztoMay 18 19:34
schestowitz.May 18 19:34
schestowitzhttp://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0003.html#Kerb erosandWindows2000)May 18 19:34
TechrightsBotTitle: Crypto-Gram: March 15, 2000 .::. Size~: 44.25 KBMay 18 19:34
schestowitz.May 18 19:34
schestowitzOccasionally, even the most hardcore idiot (personMay 18 19:35
schestowitzrefusing to learn from experiences made by others)May 18 19:35
schestowitzreally runs into a brick wall whose existence cannotMay 18 19:35
schestowitzcredibly be denied anymore ... May 18 19:35
schestowitz"May 18 19:35
schestowitzwhat brandon is this?May 18 20:38
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/canadaismarxist/statuses/70842814979780608May 18 20:38
TechrightsBot@canadaismarxist: #techrights - the faux news of the free software (property) movement? #fsf #marxismMay 18 20:38
schestowitzcould it be 'our' brandon?May 18 20:38
schestowitzI think it might be lozzaMay 18 20:39
schestowitzTime for more Ritalin...May 18 20:39
MinceRi'd say it's likelyMay 18 20:39
schestowitzThe ringleader goes at it..May 18 20:40
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/statuses/70911512570626048May 18 20:40
TechrightsBot@migueldeicaza: @tim_smith Well #boycottboy has never been particularly smart.   It makes me worry about the UK education systemMay 18 20:40
schestowitzClub mono... http://twitter.com/tim_smith/statuses/70899075989508096 http://twitter.com/verofakto/statuses/70899560033157120May 18 20:40
TechrightsBot@tim_smith: @migueldeicaza Someone should tell #boycottboy to ping "xamarin.com", note the IP address, and look that up in whois. He will be shocked.May 18 20:40
TechrightsBot@verofakto: @tim_smith @migueldeicaza rofl #boycottboy #failMay 18 20:40
schestowitzwell, they only advertise usMay 18 20:40
schestowitzThey don't prove me wrongMay 18 20:40
schestowitzThey target a straw manMay 18 20:41
MinceRtypical m$ lamers, they can't even look up an ip address for a domain name without pinging itMay 18 20:41
schestowitzLOLMay 18 20:41
schestowitzI said it was registered with a company based in WAMay 18 20:41
schestowitzWhich was true based on the infoMay 18 20:41
schestowitzThey pretend I said something elseMay 18 20:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/akuckartz/status/70934148558229505May 18 20:42
TechrightsBot@akuckartz: @schestowitz Maybe I will call using Jitsi the Skype killer :)May 18 20:42
schestowitz"@migueldeicaza you and those cheap shots don't help your agenda. Stay focused, promote .NET, maybe you'll get that Microsoft job eventually"May 18 21:11

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