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| trmanco | last time I tried, it still did | May 24 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | maybe so.. | May 24 00:01 |
| trmanco | anyway, I'll catch you guys some other time, cya | May 24 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/sdzGs.jpg | May 24 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe | May 24 00:21 |
| schestowitz | http://imgur.com/fqdzC | May 24 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | LMAO | May 24 00:29 |
| schestowitz | http://imgur.com/r/funny/tO0u4+ | May 24 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | "The founder and owner of Igoe Intellectual Property, LLC. (part of the problem) writes about this case several times [<a href="http://www.applepatent.com/2011/05/lodsys-what-could-community-do.html" title="Lodsys: What Could the Community Do?">1</a>, <a href="http://twitter.com/PatrickIgoe/statuses/70846940904046592">2</a>, <a href="http://www.applepatent.com/2011/05/lodsys-why-marco-arment-is-wrong.html" title="Lodsys: Why | May 24 02:23 |
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| schestowitz | Marco Arment is Wrong.">3</a>] and so do other <a href="http://www.applepatent.com/2011/05/lodsys-about-user-perception-of.html" title="Lodsys: 'information about the user's perception of the commodity'">patenting apologists</a>." | May 24 02:23 |
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| schestowitz | "As correctly <a href="http://www.macworld.com/article/159979/2011/05/lodsys.html" title="It's not just Apple developers that are threatened by Lodsys">pointed out here</a>, not only developers should care about this. Everyone but patent lawyers will be harmed. It is the passage of wealth and power into the hands of few non-producing parasites. Their actions are antithetical to the purpose of the patent offices all across the | May 24 02:24 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: It's not just Apple developers that are threatened by Lodsys | Software | Macworld .::. Size~: 84.92 KB | May 24 02:24 |
| schestowitz | world." | May 24 02:24 |
| schestowitz | "Some lawyers <a href="http://www.pocketgamer.biz/r/PG.Biz/news.asp?c=29982" title="Lodsys should 'put up or shut up' says lawyer Jas Purewal">seem to be defecting from their usual party line</a> as "Software patents become ever more ludicrous," <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2011/may/19/technology-links-newsbucket" title="Boot up: Twitter hits 300m users, Motorola Atrix review, and more">notes <em>The | May 24 02:24 |
| schestowitz | Guardian</em></a>. Apple too <a href="http://www.mercurynews.com/business-headlines/ci_18088265?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&nclick_check=1" title="Apple patent dispute: ITC staff sides with Kodak">might have to change its mind about patents</a> if only it goes under patent fire <a href="http://www.whda.com/blog/2011/05/apple-attack-on-monkeymedia-audiovisual-patent-among-the-reexamination-requests-filed-week-of | May 24 02:24 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Lodsys should 'put up or shut up' says lawyer Jas Purewal, news, PocketGamer.biz .::. Size~: 37.49 KB | May 24 02:24 |
| schestowitz | may-16-2011/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+whdareexaminationalertblog+%28WHDA+Reexamination+Alert%E2%84%A2+Blog%29" title="Apple Attack on MONKEYmedia Audiovisual Patent, among the Reexamination Requests Filed Week of May 16, 2011">more often than at present</a>. As we noted earlier LL, Apple is currently buying more patents, not just applying for many. Meanwhile, GNU/Linux developers actually | May 24 02:24 |
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| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Apple patent dispute: ITC staff sides with Kodak - San Jose Mercury News .::. Size~: 68.34 KB | May 24 02:24 |
| schestowitz | write code and truly innovate." | May 24 02:24 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Apple Attack on MONKEYmedia Audiovisual Patent, among the Reexamination Requests Filed Week of May 16, 2011 : Reexamination Alert™ .::. Size~: 26.5 KB | May 24 02:24 |
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| schestowitz | [03:51] <tessier_> techrights.org was not responding for me a moment ago. Looks like we hit MaxClients. I just doubled it and restarted apache. | May 24 08:59 |
| schestowitz | [03:51] <tessier_> Now it is responding again. | May 24 08:59 |
| schestowitz | down again, overloaded | May 24 08:59 |
| schestowitz | Techrights seems to be down at the moment. | May 24 09:10 |
| schestowitz | [09:09] <schestowitz> Techrights seems to be down at the moment. | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:12] <tessier_> I'll take another look. It has been up and down this evening. Not sure why. | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:12] <tessier_> High load is all. Although it is hard to tell from the logs who or what might be causing it. | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:12] <schestowitz> yeah, I haven't checked yet | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:12] <schestowitz> lots of php and httpd | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:12] <tessier_> Looks like apache is down now. You shut it down? | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:13] <schestowitz> restatrted it | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:13] <tessier_> ok | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:13] <schestowitz> Seconds ago | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:13] <schestowitz> Seconds ago | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:13] <schestowitz> Stopping httpd: [FAILED] | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:13] <schestowitz> Starting httpd: Warning: DocumentRoot [/home/boycottn/public_html/techbytes] does not exist | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:13] <schestowitz> (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:13] <schestowitz> (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:13] <schestowitz> no listening sockets available, shutting down | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:13] <schestowitz> Unable to open logs | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:13] <schestowitz> [FAILED] | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:15] <tessier_> That's odd... | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz |  | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:16] <tessier_> I just restarted and it worked.. | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:16] <schestowitz> yes, thank you so much | May 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:16] <schestowitz> I wonder what caused it, I'll check the logs | May 24 09:18 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/72878581994360832 | May 24 09:30 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @FOSSpatents: @schestowitz In that Article where you say Apple [sues] Samsung and HTC, you forgot Apple has a huge dispute going with Motorola, too. | May 24 09:30 |
| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/ch4oe.png | May 24 10:35 |
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| schestowitz | The techrights server failed at the worst possible time -- after I had gone to bad. I did some tests on it when I woke up. There was extremely high load on the server -- something I could not quite explained as traffic was not high. I'm guessing something in the software went awry. The only difference was, I scheduled stories. I don't think that ought to cause it. I seem to recall something about the server getting overloaded | May 24 10:44 |
| schestowitz | for someone else due to bad crons. | May 24 10:44 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Well this is interesting really: http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2011/05/screenshots-unity-and-gnome-3-in.html | May 24 10:53 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Screenshots: Unity and Gnome 3 in Oneiric ~ Ubuntu Vibes .::. Size~: 115.77 KB | May 24 10:53 |
| sebsebseb | 11.10 pre alpha | May 24 10:53 |
| sebsebseb | so Unity with Gnome 3 stuff underneath | May 24 10:54 |
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| schestowitz | underneath? | May 24 11:04 |
| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/VnAqL.jpg | May 24 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://imgur.com/DczK6 | May 24 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/stats/index.html | May 24 12:13 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Usage Statistics for tuxmachines.org - Last 12 Months .::. Size~: 11.55 KB | May 24 12:13 |
| schestowitz | interesing... | May 24 12:13 |
| schestowitz | I too saw a dip around Oct 2010 | May 24 12:13 |
| schestowitz | no idea why.. | May 24 12:13 |
| schestowitz | anyway going up now | May 24 12:13 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: host name thing again, since ethernet cable issue hmm | May 24 12:36 |
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| schestowitz | apache has just gone bonker sgain inn techrights | May 24 14:39 |
| schestowitz | It's a good thing I got home fast enough | May 24 14:39 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.crozat.net/2011/05/gnome-3-live-image-release-130.html | May 24 14:41 |
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| schestowitz | load average: 8.37, 5.81, 7.41 | May 24 14:41 |
| schestowitz | i wonder what is hammering our server | May 24 14:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/hit5b/meanwhile_in_amsterdam/ | May 24 14:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9zMx2m9BkA | May 24 15:01 |
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| msb_ | You could write a little bash script to run on a local computer that would wget a small file from the server every 5 minutes, and test how long it takes to get that file. If it's more than some specified time it could make a lot of noise and wake you up. | May 24 15:01 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/aveeksen/status/72964733896101888 | May 24 15:03 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @aveeksen: @schestowitz can u suggest how to use a content type so a group of pages can be made? Got no options in structure-> New content type | May 24 15:03 |
| schestowitz | need more specific details... | May 24 15:03 |
| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/JoimS.gif | May 24 15:05 |
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| MinceR | http://ompldr.org/vOHJ0Zw | May 24 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/72904917488123904 | May 24 16:47 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @FOSSpatents: @verofakto cont: it's hard to support Julian Assange and Ryan Giggs at the same time, esp. since the club didn't distance itself from him. | May 24 16:47 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/72904917488123904 | May 24 16:47 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @FOSSpatents: @verofakto cont: it's hard to support Julian Assange and Ryan Giggs at the same time, esp. since the club didn't distance itself from him. | May 24 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Florian pretends I'm liable for Man UTd! | May 24 16:47 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/72878581994360832 | May 24 16:50 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @FOSSpatents: @schestowitz In that Article where you say Apple [sues] Samsung and HTC, you forgot Apple has a huge dispute going with Motorola, too. | May 24 16:50 |
| schestowitz | I didn't say I was giving a complete list | May 24 16:50 |
| MinceR | he's grasping at straws :> | May 24 16:50 |
| schestowitz | And now they expect me to say Apple stepped in when in fact I wrote the article before these reports actually came | May 24 16:51 |
| schestowitz | And another sick troll from COLA is having a go at it... stalker | May 24 16:51 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/72906804484513792 | May 24 16:52 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @FOSSpatents: @verofakto He recently expressed (in a tweet that mentioned me) his wishful thinking that his local ManU would beat Barça on the 28th. | May 24 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Talking to another stalker | May 24 16:52 |
| schestowitz | With Linux FUD as standard..http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/72914138149564416 | May 24 16:52 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @FOSSpatents: Computing.co.uk: Big rise in Android malware anticipated http://t.co/fK010as via @computing_news Already 90 known families of malware. | May 24 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | "I use Linux, BUT..." | May 24 16:53 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/72914774408704000 | May 24 16:53 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @FOSSpatents: Despite the Android malware stats I just retweeted, I'm eagerly waiting for my Samsung Galaxy S2 (ordered from a patent bully named Amazon). | May 24 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | the server went crazy again | May 24 17:01 |
| schestowitz | load 26 | May 24 17:01 |
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| TechrightsBot-sc | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-sc running phIRCe v0.53 | May 24 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | What's this about? Never heard of it.. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/what-happened-to-my-klout/1101 | May 24 17:25 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: What happened to my Klout!? | ZDNet .::. Size~: 119.35 KB | May 24 17:25 |
| schestowitz | msb_: tessier already has that server on nagios | May 24 17:36 |
| schestowitz | And I have a monitor on it too | May 24 17:36 |
| schestowitz | It's going into my main box | May 24 17:36 |
| schestowitz | I have a sepataye account called urgent@ | May 24 17:36 |
| schestowitz | But not used it since 2005... | May 24 17:36 |
| schestowitz | I also have a physical SIP phone at home, but that's for the employer only | May 24 17:37 |
| schestowitz | "@sjvn good articles recently. Spend less time ego-boosting with stuff like klout and more time producing real output " | May 24 17:42 |
| msb_ | I had a physical SIP phone too, but it kept phasing into and out of existence. I had to take it back to the store. | May 24 17:43 |
| schestowitz | This reminds me, I forget to switch the landline | May 24 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Last night... so people can't call me. | May 24 17:44 |
| schestowitz | "@tracyreed same issue came back 3 times today, restarting apache fixed it :-)" | May 24 17:46 |
| schestowitz | http://deviceguru.com/are-streaming-media-player-boxes-a-passing-fad/ | May 24 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/sjvn/status/73067715664936961?iid=am-1076313087&nid=4&uid=26603208 | May 24 17:58 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @sjvn: @schestowitz Mind you, I'd rather be writing than pushing my writing, but that's the writing biz in 2011. | May 24 17:58 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sjvn/status/73067311782825984 | May 24 17:58 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @sjvn: @schestowitz Good articles, or so the theory goes, should boost my Klout score, which in turn means I'll get more chances to write ... etc. | May 24 17:58 |
| schestowitz | when I used to worry too much about numbers (2003-2005ish) I was distracted, not focused. IMHO. YMMV. :) | May 24 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Promotion is not the same as checking one's artificial metrics that cannot really be changed upon awareness alone | May 24 18:00 |
| schestowitz | LOL: http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=is_it_too_late_to_patent_this&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | May 24 18:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/vqJNz.gif | May 24 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | LOL http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4721/pics045q.jpg | May 24 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | The Mac fan who manages OStatic thinks that US stats are international? http://ostatic.com/blog/apple-is-winning-on-the-business-desktop-is-that-good-for-open-source | May 24 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR will love this... http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarotoast/2185098074/ | May 24 18:31 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: OMG ITS JESUS | Flickr - Photo Sharing! .::. Size~: 99.97 KB | May 24 18:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMqmkxlJLN0 | May 24 19:04 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: seen it but it's nice | May 24 19:37 |
| MinceR | or rather, funny | May 24 19:37 |
| MinceR | http://redd.it/hi5lk | May 24 19:40 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Sony DRM is why 2D movies look so dim today. On Sony projectors, switching from 3D (dim) to 2D (bright) lenses involves “security clearances and Internet passwords and if you don’t do it right, the machine will shut down.” So movie theaters leave the 3D lens on. via reddit.com .::. Size~: 1.88 KB | May 24 19:41 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sjvn/status/73098277553315840 | May 24 19:56 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @sjvn: @schestowitz Understood. I was writing about Klout because I had a dozen or so "WTH!?" e-mails about it on Monday morning. | May 24 19:56 |
| schestowitz | I looked at the service and it looks like they want privileges to post on one's behalf. No, thanls. | May 24 19:56 |
| MinceR | http://redd.it/hj067 | May 24 20:16 |
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| MinceR | http://redd.it/hixfm | May 24 21:14 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: This man has a point... via reddit.com .::. Size~: 1.63 KB | May 24 21:14 |
| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/Y8C1R.jpg | May 24 21:23 |
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| MinceR | gde33 might not be Troll2070, but he's a troll all the same | May 24 21:24 |
| Ender_nothome | you're a troll too | May 24 21:28 |
| Ender_nothome | just ask Jono | May 24 21:28 |
| Ender_nothome | now go perform felacio on yourself | May 24 21:28 |
| MinceR | jono is a m$ salesman, so i don't give two fucks about what he thinks | May 24 21:29 |
| MinceR | no, you go fuck yourself | May 24 21:29 |
| schestowitz | gde33 voices some strong opinions | May 24 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Almost anarcho-primitivism | May 24 21:31 |
| MinceR | uninformed ones too | May 24 21:31 |
| schestowitz | But he's not a troll | May 24 21:31 |
| MinceR | he doesn't seem to understand what money is | May 24 21:31 |
| schestowitz | To trolls he'd have to say stuff _only_ t aggravate | May 24 21:31 |
| MinceR | he also talks like a kindergartener troll | May 24 21:31 |
| MinceR | that's false | May 24 21:31 |
| schestowitz | He's Dutch | May 24 21:31 |
| schestowitz | So English is not his mother's tongue | May 24 21:31 |
| MinceR | that's no excuse for the "i'll eat you, how old are you" bullshit | May 24 21:32 |
| schestowitz | [21:31] <MinceR> he also talks like a kindergartener troll | May 24 21:32 |
| schestowitz | That would be Mr "I would not go that far" | May 24 21:32 |
| MinceR | it's not a one-person slot | May 24 21:32 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I know, bad joke there | May 24 21:32 |
| MinceR | http://redd.it/hj2cb | May 24 21:33 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Mainstream Christian Eschatology vs. Harold Camping's via reddit.com .::. Size~: 1.65 KB | May 24 21:33 |
| schestowitz | THe techrights channel becme like an anarchy forum this evening | May 24 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Which isn't good | May 24 21:33 |
| MinceR | it's not an anarchy forum | May 24 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Right.. | May 24 21:33 |
| MinceR | it's uninformed groupthink forum | May 24 21:33 |
| MinceR | well, "think" is a strong word | May 24 21:34 |
| MinceR | more like uninformed zombie forum | May 24 21:34 |
| MinceR | with the militant vegan who doesn't care to think about what his ideology implies | May 24 21:34 |
| MinceR | and the communist who likes to call everyone a communist for disagreeing with him | May 24 21:34 |
| schestowitz | I watched this one recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDIeGea-RAw | May 24 21:35 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - Vegetarianism: Goal Posts & Red Herrings .::. Size~: 115.43 KB | May 24 21:35 |
| MinceR | thinking is hard, mouthing off is easy | May 24 21:35 |
| schestowitz | I have respect for people who don't eat animal and the thought crossed my mind, but I would not do it | May 24 21:36 |
| MinceR | i see no point to the idea | May 24 21:36 |
| MinceR | survival implies killing, many living things get eaten, you're evolved to be an omnivore, deal with it | May 24 21:37 |
| schestowitz | I thought about it profoundly | May 24 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Even 2 days ago when running | May 24 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Cause some girls boast their minority dietary choice for self righteousness | May 24 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Some stupid religions do the same thing | May 24 21:37 |
| MinceR | also, we don't have to keep 7 billion people on this dirty ball of iron | May 24 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Like the whole Halal and Kosher animal abuse thing | May 24 21:37 |
| schestowitz | They would rather see the animals suffer more | May 24 21:38 |
| MinceR | we don't have to promote the idea that everyone must reproduce at the maximum rate, like the national socialist government of hungaristan does | May 24 21:38 |
| schestowitz | For some stupid medieval or pre-medieval reasons | May 24 21:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: all govt. want more people | May 24 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Families to | May 24 21:39 |
| schestowitz | it's increase of power | May 24 21:39 |
| schestowitz | And more people to assimilate to one's view | May 24 21:39 |
| schestowitz | And pay tax | May 24 21:39 |
| schestowitz | And pay back debt | May 24 21:39 |
| MinceR | governments are evil. so what else is new? :> | May 24 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Scandinavia got it right | May 24 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Easy life, less people to be occupying the land | May 24 21:39 |
| schestowitz | They are not religious, either | May 24 21:39 |
| MinceR | there are problems there too | May 24 21:40 |
| schestowitz | So they realise their life will be easier if they don't follow scripture from some clergy working and preaching for the rich | May 24 21:40 |
| MinceR | such as sweden rushing to fulfill every wish of the usian fascists and megacorporations ASAP | May 24 21:40 |
| schestowitz | governments are not evil, MinceR | May 24 21:40 |
| schestowitz | They are not people | May 24 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Not with feelings | May 24 21:40 |
| MinceR | they're made of people | May 24 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Same for corporations | May 24 21:40 |
| schestowitz | People who become parts of "government" are corrupt | May 24 21:41 |
| schestowitz | They want money and power | May 24 21:41 |
| MinceR | greedy, sadistic control freaks who couldn't learn to do a useful job | May 24 21:41 |
| schestowitz | And they act as "government" for legitimacy | May 24 21:41 |
| schestowitz | How many people in govt. are practising members of society? | May 24 21:41 |
| MinceR | and the entire structure changed to fulfill these impulses as much as it could | May 24 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Coders... | May 24 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Farmers... | May 24 21:41 |
| MinceR | really now | May 24 21:41 |
| MinceR | how many are? | May 24 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Instead it's rich people from banks and law firms | May 24 21:41 |
| schestowitz | They don't do anything | May 24 21:41 |
| MinceR | most are jurists or career politicians | May 24 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Oh | May 24 21:41 |
| schestowitz | They "know how to talk" | May 24 21:42 |
| MinceR | oh, and failed economists | May 24 21:42 |
| schestowitz | talk meaning lie | May 24 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Speeches to read | May 24 21:42 |
| schestowitz | No integrity | May 24 21:42 |
| schestowitz | I speak to some people like that | May 24 21:42 |
| schestowitz | They say they know they speak out lies | May 24 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Or whitewash/PR | May 24 21:42 |
| schestowitz | But it's their jobs | May 24 21:42 |
| schestowitz | So they do it and convince themselves it's therefore ok | May 24 21:42 |
| MinceR | (flash) (video) (audio) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cH2bkZfHw4 | May 24 21:53 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - Laryngeal Nerve of the Giraffe Proves Evolution [Transcript] .::. Size~: 117.74 KB | May 24 21:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I don't like watching post mortems and the likes of that | May 24 22:18 |
| MinceR | ic | May 24 22:18 |
| schestowitz | watch what happened to #techrights | May 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz | I can't watch anymore x| | May 24 22:20 |
| MinceR | i stopped paying attention a while ago | May 24 22:20 |
| MinceR | for the most part | May 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz | that too will pass... | May 24 22:21 |
| schestowitz | [22:19] <msb_> Infowars.com is very good at providing information about false-flag terror, fluoridation, chemtrails | May 24 22:22 |
| schestowitz | chemtrails? | May 24 22:22 |
| schestowitz | O' deeeer! | May 24 22:22 |
| Ender_nothome | yeah, they're real | May 24 22:22 |
| Ender_nothome | "What in the world are they spraying" is a good docu | May 24 22:23 |
| schestowitz | http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4027 | May 24 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Chemtrails: Real or Not? .::. Size~: 37.66 KB | May 24 22:23 |
| msb_ | It's true. People have analyzed the crap raining down from the sky when the chemtrails appear. | May 24 22:23 |
| Ender_nothome | skeptoid lol | May 24 22:23 |
| msb_ | Barium, aluminum,and various organic materials. | May 24 22:23 |
| Ender_nothome | barium too | May 24 22:23 |
| schestowitz | People also say they analysed alien spaceships | May 24 22:23 |
| Ender_nothome | msb_ its stuff like this that makes me think Roy is disinfo, but then he shows his lack of research skills | May 24 22:24 |
| Ender_nothome | it rubs off in his ms conspiracy theories | May 24 22:24 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Again you are using a strawman argument. It's easy to recognize. | May 24 22:25 |
| Ender_nothome | msb_ he does it all the time | May 24 22:25 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: And way below your intelligence level, and ours. | May 24 22:25 |
| Ender_nothome | there is no point arguing with him | May 24 22:25 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Roy, are you Jewish by any chance? I am. I ask because some Jewish people have a very hard time looking at the evidence for the false-flag terror attacks of 9/11. | May 24 22:26 |
| msb_ | People who believe that the brave little state of Israel is being attacked by hordes of evil Palestinians (and I'm not saying you believe this) insist on thinking that 9/11 was done by evil arabs. | May 24 22:28 |
| Ender_nothome | also for the record chemtrails has a scientific name | May 24 22:30 |
| Ender_nothome | geoengineering | May 24 22:30 |
| Ender_nothome | you'll notice the weather warfare treaty does not prohibit countries modifying their own weather | May 24 22:30 |
| Ender_nothome | msb_ he won't even talk to you about it now | May 24 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | It's not about talking | May 24 22:44 |
| schestowitz | it's about testable evidence | May 24 22:44 |
| schestowitz | I will listen and watch actual evidence | May 24 22:44 |
| schestowitz | I'm not ruling stuff out, but evidence suggests what I basically believe | May 24 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Prove otherwise and I'll reconsider | May 24 22:45 |
| schestowitz | The problem is, many people don't know what constitutes good evidence | May 24 22:45 |
| schestowitz | They think that some dude with a fistful of dust from somewhere is evidence | May 24 22:45 |
| schestowitz | They get insulted when people tell them this is as verifiable as people who claim to have been abducted by aliens because they have a bruise | May 24 22:47 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Roy, the dust showing the thermite particles was collected by several people from several different places. Also, those thermite particles can only be created by a high-tech sol-gel process. | May 24 22:47 |
| schestowitz | who are the people who collected it? | May 24 22:48 |
| schestowitz | I saw some videos | May 24 22:48 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: The huge puddles of molten iron were seen by many workers going through the rubble, and also showed on satellite temperature scans. | May 24 22:48 |
| schestowitz | It's usually like one person with 3 sample or a small group who /claim/ to have taken it | May 24 22:48 |
| schestowitz | And how would they approach the area? | May 24 22:48 |
| schestowitz | It was evacuated | May 24 22:48 |
| schestowitz | And how can you tell it wasn't tampered with? | May 24 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Writing in a paper "I swear on the bible I didn't change anything" does not help mucj | May 24 22:49 |
| schestowitz | msb_: any photos? | May 24 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Eye testimony in verbal form is not a photograph | May 24 22:49 |
| msb_ | Who would have tampered with it, and how would they have gotten high-tech thermite particles to put into the dust? | May 24 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Iron would not be molten for long | May 24 22:49 |
| schestowitz | The temperature difference is vast | May 24 22:49 |
| schestowitz | It would cool down quickly if it was molten | May 24 22:50 |
| schestowitz | [22:49] <msb_> Who would have tampered with it, | May 24 22:50 |
| schestowitz | People who want fame | May 24 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Like those who fake "Aliens" | May 24 22:50 |
| schestowitz | It's very common | May 24 22:50 |
| msb_ | They thermal decay time goes as the first or second power of the linear size of the hot object plus insulation. I forget which, I worked it out once. | May 24 22:50 |
| msb_ | Roy, why aren't you as skeptical of the government's story? | May 24 22:51 |
| schestowitz | how long ago after the crash do the worker /claim/ to have /seen/ (not photographed) such a thing? | May 24 22:51 |
| schestowitz | msb_: it's not about the government | May 24 22:51 |
| schestowitz | I'm not talking abut plots | May 24 22:51 |
| schestowitz | I'm talking about evidence from the ground | May 24 22:51 |
| schestowitz | If you cannot answer my question, then that does not help your hypothesis | May 24 22:52 |
| msb_ | But you are nit-picking about the evidence for the thermite and the iron, while you accept uncritically the govt's story, which has no real evidence to back it up. | May 24 22:52 |
| schestowitz | I don't accept any story here | May 24 22:54 |
| schestowitz | All I did was ask about the quality of the evidence you name | May 24 22:54 |
| schestowitz | I have some evidence that is factual | May 24 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Like planes crashing | May 24 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Buildings crashing NOT at freefall speed | May 24 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Unlike claims to the contrary, which are lies | May 24 22:54 |
| schestowitz | We know this because there is photographics evidence | May 24 22:55 |
| schestowitz | From many angles, too | May 24 22:55 |
| schestowitz | So for claims about puddles of iron I want at least comparable amount of evidence | May 24 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise, it's not really testable and there's a mountain to climb | May 24 22:55 |
| msb_ | You have evidence that the planes hit the towers, of course. You do not have evidence that the fuel fires are what caused the towers to collapse. | May 24 23:00 |
| msb_ | And yet you believe that that's what happened. | May 24 23:00 |
| schestowitz | I know there was fuel in the tanks | May 24 23:01 |
| schestowitz | And that it burned | May 24 23:01 |
| schestowitz | I don't know of anything that sceptics claim, as they have no evidence | May 24 23:02 |
| schestowitz | We can see planed going into buildings | May 24 23:02 |
| schestowitz | We don't see some CIA 'ninjas' planting explosives there while people work in the building | May 24 23:02 |
| schestowitz | So if we stick with evidence, where are we left? | May 24 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | No response? | May 24 23:06 |
| schestowitz | It has been 10 years | May 24 23:06 |
| schestowitz | If someone was involved in putting explosives there, there would be whistleblowers with legitimacy. But there are none. | May 24 23:07 |
| msb_ | I am searching now for pictures and testimony about the molten iron. | May 24 23:15 |
| MinceR | finally the gde kid got to the anti-GNU+Linux trolling/spam he came to #techrights to spew in the first place | May 24 23:15 |
| msb_ | But the fact that planes hit the towers and fuel burned is NOT evidence that that is what caused the towers to collapse! | May 24 23:16 |
| schestowitz | planed are big objects | May 24 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Not all buildings are build to withstand 747s | May 24 23:16 |
| schestowitz | If Japan's skyscapers collapsed, would you say the govt. did it? | May 24 23:17 |
| schestowitz | There are also conpiracy theorists who say the US caused the earthquake in Haiti | May 24 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Their evidence is so dubious and shows their lack of science background | May 24 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Then again, many in the states believe in Second Coming, Noah's Ark, and other such infantile nonsense that's no better than Santa and Tooth Fsiry | May 24 23:18 |
| schestowitz | (Fairy | May 24 23:18 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Roy, all this tooth-fairy, etc, stuff is just more strawman arguments from you. Totally irrelevant to 9/11. | May 24 23:27 |
| msb_ | brb | May 24 23:27 |
| schestowitz | ok, straw man too far, I guess.. | May 24 23:33 |
| schestowitz | my sincere apologies | May 24 23:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.noob.us/humor/expanding-foam-fail/ | May 24 23:35 |
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