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Ender2070[06:04] <schestowitz> 10 years after the incident msb_ and Ender2070 bring up a discussion that deligitimises the forum even though no *new* evidence has in fact been gathered. Please, can we keep politics in this channel, which was basically designated to deal with off-topic stuff?May 26 00:38
Ender2070stop gatekeepingMay 26 00:38
Ender2070seriously, we're not deligitimizing anythingMay 26 00:40
Ender2070accusing us of such is an insultMay 26 00:40
msb_Ender2070: You're right, but Roy is within his rights to keep off-topic stuff out of #techrights.May 26 00:47
Ender2070sure he isMay 26 00:47
Ender2070its still gatekeepingMay 26 00:47
schestowitzI was quite respectful and open-mindedMay 26 00:48
Ender2070telling us to stop isn't open mindedMay 26 00:48
Ender2070its self serving out of fear about what the trolls will thinkMay 26 00:48
schestowitzI didn't tell you to stopMay 26 00:48
schestowitzAnd I'm not self-censoring eirherMay 26 00:49
schestowitzI sometimes make fools cryMay 26 00:49
schestowitzNot because I say something offensiveMay 26 00:49
Ender2070oh I misreadMay 26 00:49
schestowitzBut because they hear things they cannot accept, not about themselves evenMay 26 00:49
Ender2070"Please, can we keep politics in this channel, which was basically designated to deal with off-topic stuff?"May 26 00:49
Ender2070took that as hostileMay 26 00:49
schestowitzLet's say "nor dinnertable" materialMay 26 00:50
Ender2070lolMay 26 00:50
schestowitzpeople and their precious cocoons of "don't insult beliefs I relate to"May 26 00:51
schestowitzYou don't need to insult the person evenMay 26 00:51
schestowitzJust some silly values one is emotionally attached toMay 26 00:51
msb_schestowitz: The ironic thing is that you, Roy, and Flatfish both have the same response to the 9/11 research (but you're a lot nicer about it).May 26 00:52
Ender2070I don't think anyone needs to worry about FlatfishMay 26 00:52
Ender2070its apparent his obsession leads to scouring IRC logsMay 26 00:53
schestowitzflatfish are deliciousMay 26 00:53
schestowitzYou slide them apart...May 26 00:53
schestowitzAs for Gary, now *that's* a crackpotMay 26 00:53
schestowitzAnd should be kept in confinementMay 26 00:53
schestowitzNew York released many from the ward around the 80sMay 26 00:53
schestowitzMaybe he's a remanant of thatMay 26 00:53
msb_Really?  They're bottom-feeders.  That's why their eyes are on one side (which becomes the top).May 26 00:54
schestowitzAnd Julian didn't put him back in...May 26 00:54
schestowitzJuliani May 26 00:54
msb_GiulianiMay 26 00:54
schestowitzyeahMay 26 00:54
schestowitzI knew I got it wrong..May 26 00:54
msb_Anyhow, I hope you eventually figure out why you're so accepting of the govt lies and so critical of the research.  You're a hero of mine!May 26 00:55
schestowitzI don't believe the govt.May 26 00:56
schestowitzIt's not a govt. storyMay 26 00:56
schestowitzThey did issue a shoddy reportMay 26 00:56
schestowitzBut what people saw that day does not require the government's outputMay 26 00:56
Ender2070for me I just realized that no government in history wants to help its people - some do on the surface, as bribes to keep people from revoltingMay 26 00:56
Ender2070i can't place a date on when government became the good guysMay 26 00:57
schestowitzgovernment is a vague termMay 26 00:57
schestowitzMost govrnance is in corporationMay 26 00:57
Ender2070we went from governments ruled by priests, to governments ruled by corporationsMay 26 00:57
schestowitzThere are far more superiors in working places then in governmentMay 26 00:58
Ender2070some of those corps are owned by priestsMay 26 00:58
msb_schestowitz: Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.  Analyze the evidence using knowledge of physics, and you find that the "obvious" inference of cause and effect is wrong.May 26 00:59
msb_Steel-frame buildings don't fall down from oxygen-starved fires (or, I think, any fires), even if a plane pokes a hole in them.May 26 00:59
schestowitzto demolish a building you don't need to stage an operation like thisMay 26 01:00
schestowitzSo the hypothesis you put forth is hard to justifyMay 26 01:00
schestowitzI could say, I throw a brick at the guy and the guy lost consciousnessMay 26 01:01
msb_schestowitz: But if you catalog the 9/11 research with stuff like aliens and UFOs in your mind, then you will destroy your objectivity.May 26 01:01
schestowitzAnd then you come and say, maybe he just had a heart attack regardless of the brickMay 26 01:01
schestowitzAnd then we argue over what's more likelyMay 26 01:01
schestowitzYes, maybe when the brick was flying there was already a seizure.May 26 01:02
msb_" <schestowitz> to demolish a building you don't need to stage an operation like this"May 26 01:02
schestowitzMaybe I'll die in the next 5 minutesMay 26 01:02
schestowitzProbably notMay 26 01:02
msb_An operation like what?May 26 01:02
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schestowitzIf I did, it would not mean govt. agents shot me in the neckMay 26 01:02
Ender2070you do if you want to make it look like something elseMay 26 01:02
Ender2070its like harry houdiniMay 26 01:03
schestowitzIf you say the planes were just for show, then why go through such a long-winded thing?May 26 01:03
Ender2070to misleadMay 26 01:03
schestowitz[01:02] <msb_> An operation like what?May 26 01:03
schestowitz~20 hijackersMay 26 01:03
Ender2070its a standard magician trickMay 26 01:03
msb_You need to implant explosives, and they also used thermite to prevent damage to the concrete "bathtub" that would have let the river flood in.May 26 01:03
Ender2070it's called misdirection tooMay 26 01:04
msb_How could a bunch of Evil Arabs get in there to plant the tons of explosives needed to demolish those huge buildings?May 26 01:04
schestowitzare you saying the hijackers had no legitimate reason to attack?May 26 01:04
Ender2070while everyone is watching one hand, you perform the magic trick with the otherMay 26 01:04
schestowitzWhat abou the USS COle?May 26 01:04
schestowitzWas that too "staged"?May 26 01:05
schestowitzAnd in Kenya?May 26 01:05
Ender2070the ex-cia hijackers?May 26 01:05
msb_Most of those "terrorist" groups are run by the US, England, or Israel, sometimes through cut-outs (intermediaries).May 26 01:05
schestowitzProof?May 26 01:06
schestowitzSo Al Qaeda was run by the west oo?May 26 01:06
schestowitz*TooMay 26 01:06
schestowitzNot the Soviet eraMay 26 01:06
schestowitzThat's what you suggestMay 26 01:07
schestowitzANd that leads you to having to explain an even more complicated storylineMay 26 01:07
msb_In 1993, some idiot Moslems were prevailed upon by an FBI asset to blow up a truckload of explosives (which the FBI gave them) under the WTC.  It didn't cause very much damage.May 26 01:07
schestowitzWhere basically it's all just a showMay 26 01:07
schestowitzIn your hypothesis, the radical Islamissts are shills for "US, England, or Israel, sometimes through cut-outs (intermediaries)" and the plane abductions (several of them) was too part of the plot from "US, England, or Israel, sometimes through cut-outs (intermediaries)"May 26 01:08
schestowitzAnd then you glue yourself to a corner cause you have no evidneceMay 26 01:08
msb_Yup.May 26 01:08
Ender2070http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_%E2%80%93_Osama_bin_Laden_controversyMay 26 01:08
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Ender2070Roy doesn't think his country is capable of evilMay 26 01:10
msb_For the molten iron I have video of an orange-yellow piece of steel being pulled up and the testimony of (de)construction workers and firemen.  Also satellite thermal imaging (but so far I haven't found the legend for the false color scale).May 26 01:10
Ender2070despite being the british empire and not ever having a date where they became the "good guys"May 26 01:10
msb_How about the SAS and Northern Ireland?May 26 01:11
Ender2070MI5 and MI6May 26 01:11
Ender2070John DeeMay 26 01:11
schestowitzwhy do you pretend I like governments?May 26 01:11
msb_For the thermite I have multiple samples and extensive EM imaging and other analysis.May 26 01:11
schestowitz"if you think planes crashed the building, you're a govt. shill" < straw man (argument)May 26 01:12
msb_Which you, Roy, characterize as "having no evidence".May 26 01:12
schestowitzwe went through this yesterdayMay 26 01:12
msb_I never said any such thing!!!May 26 01:12
schestowitzI saw the video you gave meMay 26 01:13
schestowitzIt did not match your claims about rivers of molten ironMay 26 01:13
schestowitzIt's a bunch of people chattingMay 26 01:13
schestowitzmsb_: I knowMay 26 01:13
msb_The firemen said rivers of molten iron!!!May 26 01:13
schestowitzBut to Ender2070 it's implied in the method of aruingMay 26 01:13
schestowitzNow it's about whether I trust govt. or notMay 26 01:13
schestowitzWhich is irrelevant to the subject matterMay 26 01:14
schestowitzIt's the same with rape debatesMay 26 01:14
schestowitzWhere making observations about the evolutionary role of rape is shouted out as rape apologismMay 26 01:14
Ender2070I think you trust the government way too much to be critical of itMay 26 01:14
schestowitzmsb_: saidMay 26 01:14
schestowitzmsb_: the bible sez Jesus walked on waterMay 26 01:15
Ender2070schestowitz - sourceMay 26 01:15
msb_Was it the Marine barracks in Beirut that got blown up, killing 300?  May 26 01:15
msb_Taggants from Israeli explosives were found there.  May 26 01:16
schestowitzHow are Israel's crimes relevant to molten iron?May 26 01:16
msb_Or maybe it was specific chemicals -- I'd have to look it up.May 26 01:16
schestowitzI told you already, I distrust power like govt.May 26 01:16
msb_So how likely is it that terrists could steal Israeli explosives?May 26 01:17
schestowitzBut it doesn't mean anything that happens is a govt. conpiracyMay 26 01:17
schestowitz*nspiMay 26 01:17
Ender2070yet, you said before you could NEVER believe your government would attack its own peopleMay 26 01:17
Ender2070in reference to the love policeMay 26 01:17
msb_It's a major terrist attack that turns out to be false-flag.May 26 01:17
schestowitzLove Police is lameMay 26 01:17
Ender2070you didnt like that the one guy blamed the government over 7/7May 26 01:17
schestowitzI stopped following when dannt Shine lftMay 26 01:17
schestowitzDanny Shine leftMay 26 01:18
Ender2070Gabriel: Have you ever heard of Harry Houdini? Well he wasn't like today's magicians who are only interested in television ratings. He was an artist. He could make an elephant disappear in the middle of a theater filled with people, and do you know how he did that? Misdirection.May 26 01:19
Ender2070Stanley: What the fuck are you talking about?May 26 01:19
Ender2070Gabriel: Misdirection. What the eyes see and the ears hear, the mind believes.May 26 01:19
msb_The explosives that blew up that train or trolley car whatever it was, were attached underneath the vehicle, which had to have been done in the maintenance yard, which by that time was highly guarded.May 26 01:19
msb_The London bombing.May 26 01:19
Ender2070the bomber purchased a two way ticketMay 26 01:19
schestowitzFine.. and all those who make explosives in their houses and get arrested fast, that's all fake too? :-)May 26 01:20
Ender2070other people noticed he had a panic stricken faceMay 26 01:20
msb_Ender2070: Who is Gabriel?May 26 01:20
Ender2070msb_ its from swordfishMay 26 01:20
Ender2070a movieMay 26 01:20
msb_Ah.May 26 01:20
Ender2070interestingly enough, it had a secret government agency which performed a false flag terror attack to rob a bank to fund its anti terror activitiesMay 26 01:21
msb_The "underwear bomber" had no passport, and was put on the plane by a man from the US State Department!May 26 01:21
Ender2070the TSA scanners were ordered months in advance of the underwear bomberMay 26 01:22
msb_And that's the false pretext for everyone (in the US at least) getting their nads groped by a bunch of highschool dropouts.May 26 01:22
Ender2070I'd like to point out thats a democrat plan, not a republican one - they are both the same kind of evilMay 26 01:23
Ender2070Obama is Bush 3.0May 26 01:23
msb_ObomberMay 26 01:24
schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/nlg7B/ http://tinyogg.com/watch/zgfMk/May 26 01:24
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Ender2070abOmaMay 26 01:24
Ender2070an american snake ;)May 26 01:24
msb_Ick I loathe John Revolta because he's a gungho Scieno.  But I'll watch Swordfish again.May 26 01:24
schestowitzDo you know how lame if sounds when you compare Obama almost to Unabomber?May 26 01:25
Ender2070isn't Obama causing people to die from bombs for no good reason?May 26 01:25
msb_Ender2070: Yeah, really Brandon!  Obomber has murdered probably tens of thousands, while Unabomber only killed a few.May 26 01:26
Ender2070innocent civilians tooMay 26 01:26
Ender2070they don't mind killing a few hundred innocent civilians if they can take out one "enemy combatant"May 26 01:27
msb_He loves to hit weddings and funerals with drone planes that kill a hundred people or more.May 26 01:27
msb_Where "enemy combatant" means anyone trying to protect their country from a mass-murdering US invasion.May 26 01:28
Ender2070http://presstvmobile.com/blog/2011/04/22/death-toll-reaches-to-25-in-us-drone-attack/May 26 01:29
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Ender2070According to Pakistani sources, the U.S. drone strikes kill some 50 civilians for every militant killed, a hit rate of 2 percent. NY TimesMay 26 01:29
Ender2070Clinton was accused of bombing school busesMay 26 01:29
msb_schestowitz: Roy, if you have "mass murder" and "war" catalogued in two different places in your mind, you shouldn't.  They are the SAME THING.May 26 01:29
msb_Clinton sicced Al Qaeda (formerly called the Mujahideen) on the innocent Serbians in Kosovo.May 26 01:31
msb_And then Clinton attacked Serbia when the Serbians fought back.May 26 01:31
Ender2070http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War#The_NATO_bombing_campaignMay 26 01:33
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msb_Same thing with North Korea.  The US supported the murderous fascist dictator Singhman Rhee (sp?) in the South, and US military advisors with South Korean troops invaded North Korea dozens of times, but it was never reported in the US media.May 26 01:33
msb_Then North Korea struck back once.  The US used that as the pretext for the Korean War, in which it murdered 30% of the population of North Korea.May 26 01:34
Ender2070http://youtu.be/wBGKbPDvNtoMay 26 01:36
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Ender2070Don't forget WacoMay 26 01:36
msb_Incendiary "tear-gas" shells shot in by tanks, and machine-gunned the people as they fled the burning buildings.May 26 01:38
msb_Hell, the police chief of Philadelphia dropped a bomb (provided by the Feds) on a residence inhabited by some Black dissidents, killing almost everyone inside, and incinerating an entire block of houses.  I had lived in that neighborhood a few years before.May 26 01:40
Ender2070oh damnMay 26 01:41
msb_schestowitz: Roy are you there???May 26 01:41
msb_Get him some smelling salts, I think he's fainted!May 26 01:42
Ender2070I think hes in his consensus tranceMay 26 01:42
msb_The two states hard to tell apart.May 26 01:42
msb_Ender2070: Good, you're on that torrent!May 26 01:45
msb_That's a great video on Reich.May 26 01:46
Ender2070eh?May 26 01:46
msb_I just watched it.May 26 01:46
Ender2070you knew I was downloading?May 26 01:47
msb_Hee-hee.May 26 01:47
Ender2070I guess it does have only a few peers/seedsMay 26 01:47
Ender2070wouldnt be hardMay 26 01:47
msb_IP addy shown in Vuze matches the one shown in my irc client.May 26 01:47
msb_But that video doesn't talk much about the physiological aspects of the Emotional Plague in people, nor the techniques of Reichian therapy that can heal it.May 26 01:49
msb_Maybe I can find more Reich books to download.May 26 01:49
msb_You certainly have a full selection of Gurdjieff now!May 26 01:49
msb_I didn't even realize I had all those until I did a disk search.May 26 01:50
Ender2070yeahMay 26 01:55
Ender2070I can't stand vuzeMay 26 01:55
Ender2070makes my quad core slowMay 26 01:56
Ender2070transmission ftwMay 26 01:56
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/explodingwalrus/status/73550697605505024May 26 02:03
TechrightsBot-sc@explodingwalrus: @schestowitz you really don't like OSX do you? :DMay 26 02:03
schestowitzit's too simplistic, I need to get things done :-)May 26 02:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/harisbinali/status/73550291684954112May 26 02:04
TechrightsBot-sc@harisbinali: @schestowitz outside? when the daystar is burning? *shudder*May 26 02:04
schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/SDhm0.jpgMay 26 02:07
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Ender2070same with IE for macMay 26 02:16
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msb_This voip program works great!!!  You just make one port hole and exchange ip-addreses.  It does not use SIP.  It has a statically-linked binary that should run on any Linux.    http://ihu.sourceforge.net/May 26 07:35
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schestowitzInappropriate Statues http://i.imgur.com/rlBGJ.jpgMay 26 11:50
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UniYXL1qBDI&feature=player_embeddedMay 26 11:52
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schestowitzWTHMay 26 11:54
schestowitzBut I always joke about people who watch men's football being gayMay 26 11:54
schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/YPNKG.pngMay 26 11:55
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schestowitzhttp://imgur.com/q2p6wMay 26 11:56
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schestowitzLOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm-ZRXo_z8kMay 26 11:57
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schestowitzLOL http://www.hypenotic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/picture-3.pngMay 26 11:58
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/74572252May 26 12:07
TechrightsBot-sc@Richard Fontana (fontana)'s status on Thursday, 26-May-11 01:14:32 UTC - Identi.ca: @allisonrandal #Eben & I were not paid by our client, the !FSF. I was paid a salary by #SFLC.May 26 12:07
schestowitzWhat's all this commotion about?\May 26 12:07
schestowitzShe works for Mark S now. http://identi.ca/allisonrandalMay 26 12:07
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MinceRMarkSMay 26 12:07
schestowitzHehMay 26 12:08
schestowitzI never thought of thatMay 26 12:08
schestowitzWonder if people thought I cursed him when I wrote MarkSMay 26 12:08
schestowitzI never thought of Marx when I typed thisMay 26 12:09
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schestowitzTruly bizarre.. why do the Microsoft trolls advertise us? May 26 12:42
schestowitzhttp://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/38463fb4da53fcd0# http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/0c682d4cc0e383dd#May 26 12:42
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schestowitzEither they are idiots who do not know they only do the opposite of their intended effect or they are simply doing this on purposeMay 26 12:43
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msb_schestowitz: Roy, evil is stupid.  Really smart and conscious people don't do evil.  These sociopaths think that their libel will convince people if it's posted hundreds of times.May 26 12:49
msb_And it will convince some people who are asleep.May 26 12:49
msb_So we need to wake people up.May 26 12:50
msb_People with any degree of awareness will realize that someone who's being smeared constantly by anonymous jerks is probably doing something good, and they'll investigate.May 26 12:52
oiaohmmsb_: Really smart and evil does happen.May 26 12:56
oiaohmmsb_: Problem is greed.May 26 12:56
msb_oiaohm: But not _really_ smart.  People who are actually conscious realize that only by cooperating with others, not dominating and exploiting them, can people live successfully.May 26 12:58
oiaohmmsb_: Who said the evil was against other humans.   Evil can come in many forms.  Teraforming to suit humans so destroying plants and wild life we have not studied.May 26 13:19
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schestowitzMinceR:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWFBYpSA_zMMay 26 13:45
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schestowitzMSFT is in debt, but it's not deadMay 26 14:08
schestowitzMany companies live in debtMay 26 14:08
schestowitzBubble economiesMay 26 14:08
schestowitzI could get people to give me money to start a businessMay 26 14:08
schestowitzAnd hire people. But it doesn't mean the business is healthyMay 26 14:08
schestowitzIt can get clients, it still has debt.May 26 14:09
schestowitzoopsMay 26 14:09
schestowitzWrong channelMay 26 14:09
schestowitz!k00k dissing Harvard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2_MNGOU8JoMay 26 14:49
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Ender_nothomeschestowitz harvard should be dissedMay 26 15:22
Ender_nothomeits a common denominator of a lot of progressive globalistsMay 26 15:23
Ender_nothomehttp://money.msn.com/how-to-budget/article.aspx?post=e04807fc-e307-45c7-a3b0-9fdabfac3518&GT1=33029May 26 15:23
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Ender_nothomegoing back to eye beam and bringing it hereMay 26 15:24
Ender_nothometheres a marvel comic super hero whos power is a laser beam that comes out of his eyeMay 26 15:24
Ender_nothomehis name is cyclopsMay 26 15:24
Ender_nothomethe mythology of cyclops, a creature with a single large eyeMay 26 15:26
Ender_nothomewhich relates to the all seeing eyeMay 26 15:26
Ender_nothomeallegoryMay 26 15:26
Ender_nothomeHAL is IBM if you use the desdemona codeMay 26 15:26
MinceRactually the superhero's eyes can only blast things, he's far from "all-seeing"May 26 15:28
Ender_nothomeif you follow the rule of penultimate, and go back one letter for each acronymMay 26 15:28
Ender_nothomecorrectMay 26 15:29
Ender_nothomethe hint is his nameMay 26 15:30
Ender_nothomean eye beam would be a blast, and the man who shoots the eye beam is named cyclopsMay 26 15:30
Ender_nothomeits related to the eyeMay 26 15:30
Ender_nothomewe have artificial intelligent computers monitoring peopleMay 26 15:31
Ender_nothomeie HALMay 26 15:31
MinceRhe's called cyclops because the visor that keeps him from constantly blasting stuff makes him look like he has one eye :>May 26 15:33
Ender_nothomeyes?May 26 15:33
Ender_nothomeallegoryMay 26 15:33
Ender_nothomeif you can't pick up on allegory no wonder you believe everything the government saysMay 26 15:34
MinceRthat's 0 for 2, go onMay 26 15:35
MinceRhm, actually there's no connection, that makes it 0 for 3May 26 15:36
Ender_nothomehave you ever read out of a freemasonic encyclopedia?May 26 15:36
Ender_nothomehttp://www.phoenixmasonry.org/mackeys_encyclopedia/a.htmMay 26 15:36
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MinceRnot yetMay 26 15:37
Ender_nothomeA discourse or narrative in which there is a literal and a figurative sense, a patent and a concealed meaning ; the literal or patent sense being intended, by analogy or comparison, to indicate the figurative or concealed one. Its derivation from the Greek, ... and , to say something different, that is, to say something where the language is one thing and the true meaning another, exactly expresses the characteMay 26 15:37
MinceRif the governments wants to hide something from you, they won't use allegories, they simply won't tell you about itMay 26 15:38
Ender_nothomeAn allegory may be interpreted without any previous conventional agreement, but a symbol cannot.May 26 15:38
MinceRs/ts/t/May 26 15:38
Ender_nothomemincer - in a legal sense they do and you'll find out if you look at the codesMay 26 15:38
Ender_nothomeallegory is used in movies, music and television shows to hide messagesMay 26 15:40
MinceRnowadays they'll probably use steganography instead :>May 26 15:40
MinceRdo you think that Marvel is the mouthpiece of the NWO? :)May 26 15:41
Ender_nothomesure areMay 26 15:41
Ender_nothomepredictive programmingMay 26 15:41
Ender_nothomegetting people used to the idea that people can have genetic chnges made to them that give them powersMay 26 15:42
Ender_nothomeany genetic changes made in reality are likely to be for making a better slaveMay 26 15:43
Ender_nothomenot to give us abilitiesMay 26 15:43
Ender_nothomeunless those abilities help workMay 26 15:43
Ender_nothomesuper stength so you can work in a mine all day without getting tiredMay 26 15:43
Ender_nothomeetcMay 26 15:43
Ender_nothomeNietzsche's UbermenschMay 26 15:45
MinceRthat's not what the Ubermensch is about eitherMay 26 15:47
Ender_nothomeinteresting he wrote a book called Thus Spoke ZarathustraMay 26 15:47
Ender_nothomewhich ties into ZoroastrianismMay 26 15:47
Ender_nothomeone of the oldest religionsMay 26 15:47
MinceRi know, i've read some of that bookMay 26 15:47
MinceRand it's Spake, not SpokeMay 26 15:48
Ender_nothomehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thus_Spoke_ZarathustraMay 26 15:48
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Ender_nothomewikipedia is wrong thenMay 26 15:48
MinceRor the ebook i read is wrongMay 26 15:49
MinceRor there are different translationsMay 26 15:49
Ender_nothomeyeahMay 26 15:49
Ender_nothomenobody uses the word spake anymoreMay 26 15:49
Ender_nothomeits obsoleteMay 26 15:49
MinceRthe whole thing uses archaic languageMay 26 15:49
Ender_nothomearchaic language interests meMay 26 15:50
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schestowitzHe spake herMay 26 16:27
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Ender_nothomehttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/24/lawmakers-raise-concern-ex-imf-directors-golden-parachute/May 26 17:04
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Ender_nothomehttp://www.activistpost.com/2011/02/how-close-are-we-to-nano-based.htmlMay 26 17:04
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jmcesteves/status/73779996170272768May 26 17:04
TechrightsBot-sc@jmcesteves: MT @schestowitz Listen to Linus [re] fallout &US attack on domestic  peace activists (passport w/drawn)—VERY interesting http://is.gd/MCEAQrMay 26 17:04
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schestowitzLOL http://i.imgur.com/BYI8F.jpgMay 26 19:31
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GoForbes28oh, you already areMay 26 19:57
Ender_nothomeyaMay 26 19:57
schestowitzGoForbes28: I can set wordpress up for youMay 26 19:57
schestowitzI do this a lotMay 26 19:58
GoForbes28Well first, let's get a provider out of the wayMay 26 19:58
schestowitzsign up with them, I'll help you outMay 26 19:58
GoForbes28Sign up with Catalyst2?May 26 19:58
schestowitzContact Paul May 26 19:58
Ender_nothomethey don't seem to be a good dealMay 26 19:58
Ender_nothomeexpensiveMay 26 19:58
schestowitztell him I sent cha! ;-)May 26 19:58
GoForbes28Ender_noathome: Why iWeb?May 26 19:59
Ender_nothomeI use iweb myselfMay 26 19:59
Ender_nothomeit has cpanelMay 26 19:59
schestowitzEnder_nothome: less than CAD2 a monthMay 26 19:59
GoForbes28!google wikipedia cpanelMay 26 19:59
TechrightsBot-sc[1] - cPanel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPanelMay 26 19:59
TechrightsBot-sc[2] - File:CPanel logo.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CPanel_logo.jpgMay 26 19:59
TechrightsBot-sc[3] - File:CPanel screenshot.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CPanel_screenshot.pngMay 26 19:59
TechrightsBot-sc[4] - cPanel - Wikipedia | Facebook | http://www.facebook.com/pages/cPanel/109631495729779%3Fsk%3DwikiMay 26 19:59
schestowitzcpanel and other stuff like mail includedMay 26 19:59
GoForbes28oh wellMay 26 19:59
Ender_nothomeschestowitz yeahMay 26 19:59
GoForbes28wowMay 26 19:59
schestowitztechrights does not have any panelMay 26 19:59
schestowitzI do everything from the command lineMay 26 19:59
GoForbes28schestowitz: The legend of the Roy was WAY HARDCORE!May 26 20:00
Ender_nothomeiweb has mail tooMay 26 20:00
schestowitzyou got mailMay 26 20:00
GoForbes28Ender: I think I knew that, must have use iweb for client email onceMay 26 20:00
schestowitzBTWMay 26 20:00
Ender_nothomei dunno, just seems cheaper and they are canadianMay 26 20:00
Ender_nothomeim biasedMay 26 20:00
schestowitzIt's my new incomign message voiceMay 26 20:00
Ender_nothomethey also let me put it all on paypal without a credit cardMay 26 20:00
schestowitz"You got mail" playing louds hundreds of times per day nowMay 26 20:00
GoForbes28Ender: I'd like to stay Canadian tooMay 26 20:00
Ender_nothomelet me use my bank account to pay instead of credit cardMay 26 20:01
GoForbes28The main thing now is improving what we haveMay 26 20:01
Ender_nothomea bankers not making interest off my siteMay 26 20:01
GoForbes28which lacks access to website source filesMay 26 20:01
GoForbes28lack of control over wordpress pluginsMay 26 20:01
GoForbes28basically lack of controlMay 26 20:01
Ender_nothomeyeah any real host will give you the control you needMay 26 20:01
schestowitzindeedMay 26 20:02
GoForbes28which is necessary for me to bring the site forward with better CSS and consistencyMay 26 20:02
schestowitzcpanel can make you a packaged homedir to relocateMay 26 20:02
GoForbes28Right now, it's a messMay 26 20:02
Ender_nothomegoforbes28 one of the things I love about wordpress is the easy export and import of its own databaseMay 26 20:03
Ender_nothomesimple xml filesMay 26 20:03
GoForbes28So, a reasonably priced web provider with more control and email is the target and here, and as you have stated, this seems to be the practive for most hostsMay 26 20:03
Ender_nothomeyou can do it from the dashboardMay 26 20:03
Ender_nothomeno myphpadmin neededMay 26 20:03
GoForbes28Ender: I don't even think we have that, it's that badMay 26 20:03
Ender_nothomeor mysql dumpsMay 26 20:03
Ender_nothomeit comes with wordpressMay 26 20:03
GoForbes28all these options are convientently missingMay 26 20:03
Ender_nothomeoddMay 26 20:03
Ender_nothomeeven the hosted wordpress.com offers import/exportMay 26 20:04
GoForbes28the provide rapparently hides these, even for administratorsMay 26 20:04
GoForbes28I'll check againMay 26 20:04
schestowitzit's free s/wMay 26 20:04
Ender_nothomehow do you backup your content?May 26 20:04
GoForbes28Dunno, it's a total messMay 26 20:04
GoForbes28I recently activated an previously installed plugin, not knowing that another version of the same plugin was already installed and activiatedMay 26 20:05
GoForbes28Causing the website to go downMay 26 20:05
GoForbes28of course, if I had access to the files, I could have easily avoided thisMay 26 20:05
GoForbes28the other version wasn't listedMay 26 20:05
GoForbes28That's the kind of mess I'm talking aboutMay 26 20:06
GoForbes28yep, I can only export forms and form entriesMay 26 20:08
GoForbes28Genius!!May 26 20:08
GoForbes28There is otherwise no export options that I can say, let alone in the dashboardMay 26 20:08
GoForbes28Ender: Praying?May 26 20:09
GoForbes28Ender: Willing it to?  I have no idea.  I can't emphasize enough the mess of the situation.May 26 20:09
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GoForbes28ok okMay 26 20:09
GoForbes28soMay 26 20:09
GoForbes28back to the issue at handMay 26 20:09
GoForbes28new providerMay 26 20:10
GoForbes28Ok, we already have purchased a domain nameMay 26 20:10
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GoForbes28we also have a server, but I don't see self-hosting happening anytime soonMay 26 20:10
GoForbes28If I don't get a good provider, it may be decided to use Squarespace *ugh*May 26 20:11
GoForbes28Ender_nothome: Schestowitz: still here?May 26 20:11
GoForbes28or rather active?May 26 20:12
GoForbes28Ender_noathome: looks like iweb is a pretty good deal, how easy was it for you to set up wordpress?May 26 20:20
schestowitzhiMay 26 20:22
schestowitzi think you wait for ender thereMay 26 20:22
GoForbes28schestowitz: Please repeat?  "There"?May 26 20:24
schestowitzmaybe he's awayMay 26 20:25
GoForbes28ah, you mean wait in the general senseMay 26 20:25
GoForbes28okMay 26 20:25
GoForbes28schestowitz: So what was the deal again you mentioned for catalyst 2 that was more inexpensiveMay 26 20:26
GoForbes28?May 26 20:26
GoForbes28The chat window where you had mentioned the name was closedMay 26 20:26
schestowitzask the hostMay 26 20:27
schestowitzyou ask for adviceMay 26 20:27
schestowitzI give it to youMay 26 20:27
schestowitzBut you don't accept itMay 26 20:27
GoForbes28Huh?May 26 20:27
GoForbes28No no no.  It's more like I'm researchingMay 26 20:27
GoForbes28I'm totally new to this, so I'm trying to absorb all the information I can and keep my options broadMay 26 20:28
GoForbes28This inexpensive option from Catalyst 2 sounds promising, I just can't remember the nameMay 26 20:28
GoForbes28If this was my own website, I would be a bit more gung ho on decisions, but it isn't, and I don't have the final wordMay 26 20:29
GoForbes28My mission here is to stay with wordpress, because the next alternative would be the proprietary squarespaceMay 26 20:30
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GoForbes28schestowitz: you're advice is very valuble Roy, don't doubt itMay 26 20:30
GoForbes28schestowitz: And if I have somehow offended you, I am sorry. May 26 20:30
GoForbes28IRC conversations can be hard to follow sometimes, that's allMay 26 20:31
schestowitzno, it's just becoming a support forumMay 26 20:32
GoForbes28I'm not followingMay 26 20:32
schestowitzthis is not somethign I feel like blowing an hour onMay 26 20:33
GoForbes28oh okMay 26 20:33
schestowitzUnless I'm contracted to do thisMay 26 20:33
GoForbes28I seeMay 26 20:33
Ender_nothomegoforbes28 - it had a web based wordpress setup, super easyMay 26 20:33
schestowitzIf the company you work with wants to hire a 6 year Wordpress veteran, they can hire meMay 26 20:33
GoForbes28schestowitz: I'll note that. :)May 26 20:34
schestowitzthanksMay 26 20:34
schestowitzI maintain many wordpress sitesMay 26 20:35
GoForbes28schestowitz: Can you repeat the name of the Catayst 2 deal you mentioned one last time? And you said to ask for Paul right?May 26 20:35
schestowitzmegadealMay 26 20:35
GoForbes28schestowitz: thanksMay 26 20:35
Ender_nothomegoforbes28 - iweb hosts www.qubitarkhive.comMay 26 20:35
schestowitzi gace you the link tooMay 26 20:35
schestowitzFreemason Hosting :-)May 26 20:35
schestowitzIlluminati.caMay 26 20:36
GoForbes28lolMay 26 20:36
Ender_nothomei dont think they are freemasonsMay 26 20:36
GoForbes28http://www.catalyst2.com/webhosting/single/linux/megadealMay 26 20:36
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Mega Deal -  UK web hosting and Managed Dedicated Servers .::. Size~: 30.09 KBMay 26 20:36
GoForbes28tadaMay 26 20:37
GoForbes28ok, all set for nowMay 26 20:38
GoForbes28sorry roy, wasn't trying to get tech support from you, just adviceMay 26 20:38
GoForbes28I wasn't aware of your views on this practiceMay 26 20:38
GoForbes28I've only know you for a few months, after all :PMay 26 20:39
GoForbes28schestowitz: Are you ok?May 26 20:40
GoForbes28schestowitz: Just to clarify one more thingMay 26 20:43
schestowitzyes, I'm fineMay 26 20:45
GoForbes28good, I don't want to annoy you or piss you offMay 26 20:47
GoForbes28I often feel strong guiltMay 26 20:47
GoForbes28anywhoMay 26 20:48
GoForbes28just one more thing to recover from the previous chatMay 26 20:48
GoForbes28you mentioned 2GB, but all I see is 250mbMay 26 20:48
GoForbes28of storageMay 26 20:48
GoForbes28or were you refering to bandwidth?May 26 20:49
GoForbes28schestowitz: That is an awesome deal BTW.  And the company seems to not be run by automated robotsMay 26 20:51
GoForbes28Big plus thereMay 26 20:51
schestowitzyesMay 26 20:51
GoForbes28Ender_noathome: You know those Bell commercials where they promote their new Canadian support staff, but you still get linked with India or wherever?May 26 20:51
GoForbes28schestowitz: You were referring to bandwidthMay 26 20:52
GoForbes28Cause you yes could refer to a few questions there LPMay 26 20:52
GoForbes28:PMay 26 20:52
GoForbes28"What we have here is a failure to communicate" :SMay 26 20:58
GoForbes28schestowitz: What's your opinion of the megaplus deal?May 26 21:14
GoForbes28http://www.catalyst2.com/uk-web-hosting/May 26 21:14
TechrightsBot-scTitle: UK web hosting - ASP.net web hosting .::. Size~: 21.46 KBMay 26 21:14
GoForbes28ooopsMay 26 21:15
GoForbes28stupid meMay 26 21:15
schestowitzI don't know it, I'm afraidMay 26 21:15
GoForbes28http://www.catalyst2.com/webhosting/single/linux/megaplusMay 26 21:15
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Mega Plus -  UK web hosting and Managed Dedicated Servers .::. Size~: 32.72 KBMay 26 21:15
GoForbes28you are using the basic one right now?May 26 21:15
schestowitzdependsMay 26 21:15
GoForbes28is it like a negotiated plan you are on?May 26 21:17
GoForbes28That probably is confidential, sorry for askingMay 26 21:20
GoForbes28Thank your for you information on Catalyst 2 Roy, it will be put to good used. :) (schestowitz)May 26 21:20
Ender_nothomegoforbes28 - LOL yeah Bell are bastardsMay 26 21:23
Ender_nothomegoforbes28 - ill probably end up suing themMay 26 21:23
GoForbes28Ender_nothome: Haven't we all though of that? ;)May 26 21:24
GoForbes28The only good thing they have done recently was good by accident, namely removing Sun News from their TV optionsMay 26 21:25
GoForbes28and this wasn't done for the reasons it should have been done forMay 26 21:25
GoForbes28Isn't suing them a little like poking a pin in an elephant?May 26 21:25
Ender_nothomewhats wrong with sun newsMay 26 21:26
Ender_nothomewell if i dont sue them they will keep harassing meMay 26 21:26
Ender_nothomeclaiming I owe them money when I was overbilledMay 26 21:26
GoForbes28Ender_noathome: It's the Sun newspapers (ala sensionalism) brought onto the TV screen thanks to... QuebecorMay 26 21:29
GoForbes28Ender_noathome: Bell is like a crazy ex-girlfriendMay 26 21:30
GoForbes28Ender_nothome: Good luck with the lawsuit.May 26 21:34
Ender_nothomesun is owned by globalmediaMay 26 21:34
Ender_nothomethe one I mainly don't like is the toronto starMay 26 21:37
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Ender_nothomethe one I mainly don't like is the toronto starMay 26 21:37
GoForbes28sorry, lost all of the prior conversationMay 26 21:38
Ender_nothomesun is owned by globalmediaMay 26 21:38
Ender_nothomethe one I mainly don't like is the toronto starMay 26 21:38
Ender_nothomethat was itMay 26 21:38
GoForbes28I watched Sun News for 10 seconds and felt nausiousMay 26 21:39
GoForbes28it's soo... americanMay 26 21:39
Ender_nothomewatched?May 26 21:39
Ender_nothomeahMay 26 21:39
GoForbes28by accidentMay 26 21:39
GoForbes28I forgot what channel it wasMay 26 21:39
Ender_nothomedidnt know they had a tv programMay 26 21:39
GoForbes28that's what Sun News Channel essentially isMay 26 21:40
GoForbes28that's what I was referingMay 26 21:40
GoForbes28toMay 26 21:40
Ender_nothomethought you meant the sun news papersMay 26 21:40
Ender_nothometoronto sun, ottawa sun, etcMay 26 21:40
Ender_nothometoronto sun has a hot babe every week ;)May 26 21:40
GoForbes28I see your priorities are set as ever :)May 26 21:41
GoForbes28*as setMay 26 21:42
GoForbes28Ottawa Sun blowsMay 26 21:42
GoForbes28Unless you like tabloid news I guessMay 26 21:42
GoForbes28since I live near ottawa I can actually say this with more certaintyMay 26 21:43
GoForbes28anywhoeMay 26 21:43
GoForbes28gtg, brb, lalalaMay 26 21:43
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schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/XsT4X.jpgMay 26 21:44
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GoForbes28schestowitz: I was only asking about web hosting.  I can handle Wordpress myselfMay 26 22:13
GoForbes28dependsMay 26 22:14
GoForbes28was that the source of the misunderstanding?May 26 22:14
GoForbes28or was it because I was using the main public channel?May 26 22:14
GoForbes28I'd like to know so I know better next time for a similar situationMay 26 22:15
schestowitzit doesn't matterMay 26 22:17
schestowitzThis is starting to souind like some relationshippy talkMay 26 22:17
MinceRrelations hippy talkMay 26 22:22
GoForbes28schestowitz: Really?  That's weirdMay 26 22:23
GoForbes28schestowitz: I just want to improve my conversation skills as alwaysMay 26 22:23
GoForbes28schestowitz: sad that it comes out all melodramaticMay 26 22:24
schestowitzyou ask a lot about a peers emotionMay 26 22:25
schestowitzIt's a little tactless at timesMay 26 22:25
schestowitzor spurious ratherMay 26 22:25
schestowitzThere's this joke about it being feminine when one asks infinitely questions like, "do I look fat in this dress?"May 26 22:26
schestowitzSo anyhoo..May 26 22:26
schestowitzLet's talk about issues, not thoughts and stuffMay 26 22:26
GoForbes28schestowitz: I ask because I like to have some context with the person I'm talking to.  I don't like to offend people needlesslyMay 26 22:27
GoForbes28schestowitz: My emotional intelligence could be improvedMay 26 22:28
MinceRschestowitz: "no, you look extended."May 26 22:28
GoForbes28schestowitz: I also take some things too seriouslyMay 26 22:29
Ender_nothomeI get to have fun with vmware serverMay 26 22:30
Ender_nothomewootMay 26 22:30
GoForbes28Ender_nothome: Any particularly interesting usage?May 26 22:31
Ender_nothomeserver relatedMay 26 22:31
GoForbes28Ender_nothome: What kind of fun?May 26 22:31
GoForbes28Ender_nothome: Weird virtualisations?May 26 22:31
Ender_nothomeyeahMay 26 22:31
Ender_nothomemore knowledge too, getting trainingMay 26 22:32
Ender_nothomevmware = $$$ big bucksMay 26 22:32
GoForbes28no doubtMay 26 22:32
Ender_nothomegoing home, bblMay 26 22:33
schestowitz[22:28] <MinceR> schestowitz: "no, you look extended."May 26 22:33
schestowitzLOLMay 26 22:34
schestowitzYou're colossalMay 26 22:34
GoForbes28schestowitz: AnywhoMay 26 22:34
MinceRi'm not aware of any filesystem called "colossal" :>May 26 22:34
schestowitzEnder_nothome: some companies dump vmwareMay 26 22:34
schestowitzkvm has a new allianceMay 26 22:34
GoForbes28schestowitz: Any chance you/Thistleweb/Tim/etc. will be coming to Canada?May 26 22:34
schestowitzSo I might not need to touch vmware againMay 26 22:34
MinceRluckyMay 26 22:34
*MinceR has to put up with vmware at workMay 26 22:35
schestowitzMinceR: I seee what you did there *angry reddit face*May 26 22:35
schestowitzI need to have it in a cut-and-paste bucketn nearbyMay 26 22:35
schestowitzMinceR: not lucky yetMay 26 22:35
schestowitzbut we're getting thereMay 26 22:35
schestowitzGoForbes28: I had a g/f thereMay 26 22:36
schestowitz"Do I look reiser in this dress?"May 26 22:36
MinceR:)May 26 22:36
GoForbes28schestowitz: BTW, when you say things are getting too "relationshippy", the first thing that popped in my head was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G4jnaznUoQ :PMay 26 22:41
TechrightsBot-scTitle: YouTube         - ‪David Bowie & Mick Jagger - Dancing In The Street‬‏ .::. Size~: 132.1 KBMay 26 22:41
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GoForbes28schestowitz: I guess my joke diedMay 26 22:47
GoForbes28hate when that happensMay 26 22:47
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