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| _Goblin | Twitter: Sadly, there are many companies that have exploited children.....infact companies are exploiting workers even now the world over. | May 21 00:00 |
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| Radium cures had about 20 years of sales. | May 21 00:00 | |
| Asbestos use lasted more than a century. Tobacco is still with us. | May 21 00:00 | |
| As people feel the restrictions of non free software, they look for alternatives. | May 21 00:01 | |
| _Goblin | I hope thats correct | May 21 00:01 |
| Every now and then, you see a big failure of function such as the London Stock Exchange. | May 21 00:01 | |
| In those cases, I can say that Windows does not function at all. | May 21 00:02 | |
| _Goblin | But I also hope that free software does not engage in practices that would seek to prevent those people who wish to release their work closed..... | May 21 00:02 |
| _Goblin | let free software "win" on its merits, not merely on a moralistic basis. | May 21 00:02 |
| why? | May 21 00:02 | |
| _Goblin | because that is impeding a freedom | May 21 00:02 |
| what freedom do I impend to prevent your fraud? | May 21 00:03 | |
| _Goblin | if you as a user should be allowed the source....why I as a dev (if I was) should not be allowed to release my work any way I see fit? | May 21 00:03 |
| you don't have to share code | May 21 00:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] Awesome source of free software for #Android. New FDroid repository application released: http://f-droid.org/posts/repository-client-0-22/ | May 21 00:03 | |
| _Goblin | bad example....what I was trying to say was..... | May 21 00:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: F-Droid · Repository Client 0.22 .::. Size~: 14.09 KB | May 21 00:03 |
| but it might be right for me to outlaw you trying to take advantage of others with binaries | May 21 00:04 | |
| _Goblin | you can't prevent something and then claim freedom under a banner of forcing everyone to be free....If I want my work to remain closed proprietary, should I not be allowed to release it as such? | May 21 00:04 |
| what positive avantages are there in non free software? | May 21 00:05 | |
| MinceR | do i not have the right to use and improve freely your improvements to my work? :> | May 21 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Touche | May 21 00:05 |
| _Goblin | I am not talking about advantages here, I am talking freedom....it has to work both ways. If I was that hypothetical dev, why would it be that you as an end user get freedoms and I dont? | May 21 00:05 |
| schestowitz | [00:05] <MinceR> do i not have the right to use and improve freely your improvements to my work? :> | May 21 00:06 |
| in other words, justify the practice. your financial advantage is not an adequate justification any more than it would be for mugging people | May 21 00:06 | |
| schestowitz | Sometimes it's not an improvement | May 21 00:06 |
| MinceR | indeed | May 21 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Like... if Apple takes you FOSS project and bastardised it | May 21 00:06 |
| schestowitz | "No thanks" | May 21 00:06 |
| _Goblin | Its up to the end-user.....Just like Roy may want to use SIP and I want to use Skype.......we both exercise our right to choose...... | May 21 00:07 |
| _Goblin | I might not want to be locked into a Mac, but for my wife, she loves it. | May 21 00:07 |
| slavery is not up to the slave, it is something society must prevent for the sake of all | May 21 00:07 | |
| your wife has not made a conscious choice | May 21 00:08 | |
| ThistleWeb | rofl, yeah that adds real credibility to the argument, likening it to slavery | May 21 00:08 |
| _Goblin | you try selling the concept of free software to my wife who is using her Mac for online shopping and email.....do you think she would even be remotely interested? | May 21 00:08 |
| *ThistleWeb applauds through tears of laughter | May 21 00:08 | |
| *DaemonFC (~ryan@adsl-99-20-193-77.dsl.sbndin.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights | May 21 00:09 | |
| non free software has power over users and society that's worse than slavery | May 21 00:09 | |
| ThistleWeb | whoever releases the software has the freedom to choose what licence, even if they want to be closed | May 21 00:09 |
| _Goblin | twitter: because she has no need...just like how I am uninterested how my car engine works......you could tell me to install a racing flywheel and "empower me" to fix the engine myself...I wouldn't be interested, I am happy to pay the garage to fix it. | May 21 00:09 |
| ThistleWeb | really? try telling that to actual slaves | May 21 00:09 |
| it is used in voting, the results of which strip all of us of our wages without consent | May 21 00:09 | |
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| DaemonFC | you have the freedom to avoid using software with licensing terms you disagree with | May 21 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | so, what's the problem? :) | May 21 00:10 |
| ThistleWeb | exactly | May 21 00:10 |
| _Goblin | exactly | May 21 00:10 |
| ThistleWeb | if you care about that, you can choose not to use it | May 21 00:10 |
| _Goblin | and as long as that freedom exists there is no problem. | May 21 00:11 |
| ThistleWeb | if you couldn't give a hoot about the licence, just wanna use it, you can | May 21 00:11 |
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| you have yet to justify the practice of releasing non free software | May 21 00:11 | |
| ThistleWeb | whats to justify? | May 21 00:11 |
| _Goblin | you don't have to...people either use it or not | May 21 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | twitter, Because it's a valid business | May 21 00:11 |
| I don't see a reason society should support that model in any way. | May 21 00:11 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter, Restaurants don't disclose their recipes | May 21 00:12 |
| ThistleWeb | if you made it, you're free to do whatever you want with it, whether it'd be better opn or not is not the issue | May 21 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | does that mean going out to eat is unethical? | May 21 00:12 |
| _Goblin | but they have.....just like I am not interesting in fixing the engine of my car....I'll pay someone to do it | May 21 00:12 |
| _Goblin | yep | May 21 00:12 |
| I pay taxes for copyright enforcement. I don't think non free software deserves it. Prove that it does. | May 21 00:12 | |
| _Goblin | you could hunt the animal yourself | May 21 00:12 |
| _Goblin | ;) | May 21 00:12 |
| ThistleWeb | it's like justifying the dude buying an XBOX then smashing it on camrea | May 21 00:12 |
| ThistleWeb | why waste money? he bought it, he can do whatever he wants with it | May 21 00:13 |
| My taxes are used to enforce software patents. Do you think those are a good thing? | May 21 00:13 | |
| ThistleWeb | if he wants to throw away that money, so be it | May 21 00:13 |
| Without copyright and patents Microsoft would quickly die. | May 21 00:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft MVP announced #Trojarin and the first publication to do an interview with him about #mono is Microsoft press | May 21 00:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] HP Touts WebOS to Linux Geeks http://lxnews.org/2011/05/20/hp-touts-webos-to-linux-geeks/ | May 21 00:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: HP Touts WebOS to Linux Geeks .::. Size~: 27.59 KB | May 21 00:13 |
| ThistleWeb | trying to enforce "only FOSS" is the same as Microsoft trying to enforce "only closed" | May 21 00:14 |
| Why does society not only allow this but support it with draconian laws that infringe on your freedom to share. | May 21 00:14 | |
| ThistleWeb | it denies developers choice for their work, and users | May 21 00:14 |
| ThistleWeb | not sure where you got the idea that corporations care about whats good for society | May 21 00:14 |
| you would deny muggers their livelyhoods? say it is not so! | May 21 00:14 | |
| _Goblin | no thats different..... | May 21 00:15 |
| ThistleWeb | to me, they care about whats good for their profits | May 21 00:15 |
| schestowitz | [00:14] <ThistleWeb> trying to enforce "only FOSS" is the same as Microsoft trying to enforce "only closed" | May 21 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Not really | May 21 00:15 |
| _Goblin | you choose a proprietary package....you don't choose to be attacked | May 21 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Akin to saying, making everyone slaves is same as trying to free all of them | May 21 00:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] German police seize Pirate Party servers, looking at Anon's toolkit http://ur1.ca/48gab | May 21 00:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: German police seize Pirate Party servers, looking at Anon's toolkit .::. Size~: 36.17 KB | May 21 00:15 |
| I did not chose ACPI | May 21 00:15 | |
| schestowitz | one has to recognise the societal effect of blobs | May 21 00:15 |
| nor did I have a choice about purchasing Windows when I bought my last computer | May 21 00:15 | |
| _Goblin | Like I say freedom has to work for everyone.......otherwise its not freedom | May 21 00:15 |
| schestowitz | [00:15] <_Goblin> you choose a proprietary package....you don't choose to be attacked | May 21 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Some people don't choose | May 21 00:16 |
| schestowitz | I never chose skype | May 21 00:16 |
| _Goblin | I did. | May 21 00:16 |
| There is no right to harmful actions, non free software is harmful. | May 21 00:16 | |
| schestowitz | I denied it until 2008 | May 21 00:16 |
| schestowitz | That does show how proprietary softwarae harms people | May 21 00:16 |
| schestowitz | It makes people impose it upon others | May 21 00:16 |
| ThistleWeb | when you say "sorry, you're not allowed to release your code under licences we don't approve of" you can't say you're protecting freedom, as you're directly denying their chooise of licences | May 21 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Me using FOSS cannot impose the same app on another | May 21 00:16 |
| nonsense | May 21 00:16 | |
| schestowitz | It uses open standards and you can reuse the code to decipher/replicate the rest | May 21 00:17 |
| I can prevent people from selling binaries by simply not "protecting" it with copyright and patents. | May 21 00:17 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I saw a Sheriff deputy out in his SUV delivering a foreclosure notice earlier. See, that's why my taxes go up. So they can drive gas guzzlers around while working for the banks. | May 21 00:17 |
| ThistleWeb | you can argue that FOSS is better for society, better practice etc but when you say NO to their choice, you restrict their freedom to chjose closed if that's what they prefer | May 21 00:17 |
| I might like to outlaw the practice directly because it is deceptive and harmful, a form of fraud. | May 21 00:17 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: he must be well paid, too :-) | May 21 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | most likely, the Sheriffs Department budget went up by $1 million dollars | May 21 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | maxing out the Local Option Income Tax | May 21 00:18 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: procurement for govt is exception | May 21 00:18 |
| ThistleWeb | who mentioned procurement? | May 21 00:18 |
| schestowitz | I think it's agreed upon that private biz can choose what it likes | May 21 00:18 |
| schestowitz | The public sector should not | May 21 00:19 |
| schestowitz | This includes school | May 21 00:19 |
| schestowitz | No school should teach anything prprietary | May 21 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, They get paid by taxes so they can go impose the will of rich banks and collection agencies | May 21 00:19 |
| ThistleWeb | any dev who wants to release code, if they want to be closed, they are free to do so | May 21 00:19 |
| This is running in circles but I'm coming to a conclusion. Non free software always extracts things from the user by deception. It is fraud and should be outlawed. | May 21 00:19 | |
| schestowitz | That just turns the school into a workshop | May 21 00:19 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: indeed | May 21 00:19 |
| I do not infringe the rights of others by denying them a fraudulent practice. | May 21 00:19 | |
| DaemonFC | It's like George Carlin said in his list of lies we're all raised on. "The police are on YOUR side!" | May 21 00:19 |
| schestowitz | they are | May 21 00:20 |
| schestowitz | They stand next to you.. | May 21 00:20 |
| schestowitz | WITH A TASER! :-) | May 21 00:20 |
| ThistleWeb | it's one thing to encourage FOSS by showing the benefits, it's something else to say "thou shall" | May 21 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | while you are in shackles | May 21 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 21 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | over a misdemeanor | May 21 00:20 |
| The law is all about, "thou shalt not" | May 21 00:20 | |
| schestowitz | if the police wanted to do really important work, it would arrest white-collar criminals | May 21 00:20 |
| schestowitz | But it can't | May 21 00:20 |
| ThistleWeb | one thing closed allows is selling of the program itself | May 21 00:20 |
| ThistleWeb | making money per download | May 21 00:21 |
| schestowitz | It's not there to do those *really* serious things that are expensive to society | May 21 00:21 |
| unless you live in a permission society, the sort that non free software creates | May 21 00:21 | |
| schestowitz | Just to lock up what's seen as threat to those who really rob and kill | May 21 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I want a new reality show called CORPORATE COPS | May 21 00:21 |
| ThistleWeb | FOSS is always gonna struggle with that, because people can just take it, compile it and put it on a server somewhere for people | May 21 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | Where they kick in board room doors and arrest people for stealing pensions and stuff | May 21 00:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they work differently though | May 21 00:21 |
| just go read PR Watch. | May 21 00:22 | |
| schestowitz | and they don't need weapons | May 21 00:22 |
| schestowitz | They just need to be able to face people with nepotism | May 21 00:22 |
| schestowitz | The fat cats have strings | May 21 00:22 |
| ThistleWeb | FOSS has to make money in surrounding stuff, exclusing the product itself | May 21 00:22 |
| schestowitz | And they don't like the law being applies to themn | May 21 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Watch what Gates and his gang did | May 21 00:22 |
| those strings come from powers they should not have over us | May 21 00:22 | |
| schestowitz | They have enough connections to be above the law, de facto | May 21 00:22 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: :-) | May 21 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Until there's penis | May 21 00:22 |
| schestowitz | You can't spell scandal without it | May 21 00:23 |
| the power to use money to destroy others, aka usury | May 21 00:23 | |
| schestowitz | Clinton killed many in Kosovo? | May 21 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Forgivable? | May 21 00:23 |
| schestowitz | But intercourse with intern? Genocide! | May 21 00:23 |
| schestowitz | He spilled seed | May 21 00:23 |
| the "freedom" to "sell" malicious features that the user can not see or change. | May 21 00:23 | |
| schestowitz | Sadly, that's how it works | May 21 00:23 |
| schestowitz | That Strauss-Kan too | May 21 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Walmart tried to keep their investments in my 401(k), I ended up having to hire a lawyer to sue them and there was only about half of it left when I was done | May 21 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | even though I was supposedly "vested" | May 21 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | making that mine | May 21 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Ruthless SOB who puts millions in debt slavery | May 21 00:24 |
| schestowitz | But no legal action until he pulled out a pecker | May 21 00:24 |
| ThistleWeb | when you're trying to spread the message about FOSS t people who couldn't care, when you start denying people's choices because it's not agreeable to you, and likening it to slavery, they laugh in your face | May 21 00:24 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 21 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | most of the people they fire or who leave don't have enough in their 401(k) to be worth contesting, then Walmart gets to claim all of it | May 21 00:25 |
| schestowitz | dnot literally | May 21 00:25 |
| schestowitz | They don't understand in my experience | May 21 00:25 |
| ThistleWeb | may as well shout NAZI in their faces, for all the good it'll do | May 21 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | having deferred all the taxes on the gains over the years | May 21 00:25 |
| schestowitz | People don't know what freedom means | May 21 00:25 |
| schestowitz | They conflate that with patriotism or something | May 21 00:25 |
| I don't shout at people, actually. | May 21 00:25 | |
| schestowitz | Like slaughtering indians is making a 'free country; | May 21 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Something about "Democracy" and "how we're all free" | May 21 00:25 |
| free for white people to exploit each other | May 21 00:25 | |
| schestowitz | They never really learn what freedom is because they usually have some of it already | May 21 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Shut up, you royal subject you! | May 21 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 21 00:26 |
| ThistleWeb | the point is when you descend to the level of hyperbole, you'll never be listened to, so you fail by default | May 21 00:26 |
| and people don't really laugh about the nasty things their non free OS and browser do to them. | May 21 00:26 | |
| schestowitz | GNU succeeded | May 21 00:26 |
| schestowitz | So it's not a hyperbole | May 21 00:26 |
| schestowitz | People listen | May 21 00:26 |
| MinceR | not just any royal subject either | May 21 00:26 |
| ThistleWeb | why not have an android app which beeps like a metal detector when it detects non-free software | May 21 00:26 |
| schestowitz | And they educate their peers | May 21 00:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Plans to Extend Systemd to Login Management http://lxnews.org/2011/05/20/plans-to-extend-systemd/ | May 21 00:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Plans to Extend Systemd to Login Management .::. Size~: 27.5 KB | May 21 00:27 |
| software freedom is the only proven solution to malicious features | May 21 00:27 | |
| MinceR | but one subject to the royal prerogative, in a supposedly constitutional state :> | May 21 00:27 |
| ThistleWeb | it'll be as credible as the scientologists devices | May 21 00:27 |
| so says you | May 21 00:27 | |
| MinceR | but then again this makes little difference when even elected officials are bought routinely | May 21 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | twitter, Microsoft can't get a majority market share for IE even though it's bundled with Windows and can't be uninstalled. To most people it's just a 1 GB download program for FIrefox. | May 21 00:27 |
| my laptop works a lot better than Scientology, IE or Windows | May 21 00:27 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: royal duties.. royal duties | May 21 00:28 |
| schestowitz | http://ynaija.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/royal-duties.jpg | May 21 00:28 |
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| ThistleWeb | for most people they don't know what their browser is doing to them, so why would they care about stuff they don't know about? | May 21 00:28 |
| MinceR | lol | May 21 00:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] New server map rendered! !miners | May 21 00:28 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Is like the Duke of something or other I think, royal blood makes him a Viscount at least. | May 21 00:28 |
| There's been a lot of talk about "filter bubbles" lately, but they point at Google rather than Windows or Bing. | May 21 00:28 | |
| Or MSNBC for that matter. | May 21 00:29 | |
| ThistleWeb | it's one thing to educate them, it's something else to slam your way into their lives and deny them stuff they've done for years and are quite happy with | May 21 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The royals rule by God's will, remember? | May 21 00:29 |
| someone once "slammed themselves into your life" to prevent quacks from selling you Radium pills for your headaches. | May 21 00:30 | |
| ThistleWeb | if they're not interested, it's also disrespectful to continue to get in their face to force your way onto them | May 21 00:30 |
| even though most people at the time don't know why and are not interested in what causes a headache | May 21 00:30 | |
| DaemonFC | Christianity has a lot of forks. The ongoing theme is if you have a disagreement, start your own sub-cult. The king of England couldn't get a divorce and so there's the Anglican church. :) | May 21 00:31 |
| why do you force your view of non free software "freedom" onto me? | May 21 00:31 | |
| ThistleWeb | ahh yes, first slavery, now harmful (to your person.....possibly even fatally) to the argument, as I said before anout hyperbole | May 21 00:31 |
| ThistleWeb | I don't | May 21 00:31 |
| I think I've explained myself, you simply discourage me. | May 21 00:31 | |
| ThistleWeb | I allow you the freedom to choose, free or non-free | May 21 00:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wow..... @windigo build some weird Borg cubes.... Oo !miners | May 21 00:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Awesome! #Fallout ♺ @nybill: LOL he is ready for tomorrow. http://i.imgur.com/TRaeX.jpg | May 21 00:32 | |
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| I would not allow others to cheat you with non free software. | May 21 00:32 | |
| schestowitz | [00:29] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, The royals rule by God's will, remember? | May 21 00:32 |
| schestowitz | God owns Will? | May 21 00:32 |
| ThistleWeb | yes, you've thrown in a lot of hyperbole Fox News would be proud of | May 21 00:32 |
| schestowitz | and Will owns the royals? | May 21 00:32 |
| insults don't make a point. | May 21 00:32 | |
| schestowitz | Prince William? | May 21 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | May 21 00:33 |
| ThistleWeb | who are you to speak for me? | May 21 00:33 |
| ThistleWeb | or for anyone else? | May 21 00:33 |
| ThistleWeb | are people who don't agree with you unfit to make their own minds up? | May 21 00:33 |
| who said I do? why do you justify fraud? | May 21 00:33 | |
| ThistleWeb | if they choose non-free, well, they're unfit, clearly deluded | May 21 00:33 |
| schestowitz | not all proprietary sw is fraud | May 21 00:34 |
| ThistleWeb | so, ALL non free is fraud? | May 21 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Fraud is something else | May 21 00:34 |
| non free software is fraud, pure and simple. We should not allow people to "chose" to be defrauded. | May 21 00:34 | |
| ThistleWeb | here I was thinking it was a development method and licencing model | May 21 00:34 |
| it is a trick | May 21 00:34 | |
| schestowitz | And usually willful and deliberately malicious | May 21 00:34 |
| it takes power over people that no one deserves and uses that power to take other things | May 21 00:34 | |
| ThistleWeb | dodgy medicine, slavery, now fraud | May 21 00:34 |
| ThistleWeb | any other hyperbole you wanna bring in? | May 21 00:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Presale ending for Social Media & the Tunisian Revolution. You can still get tickets at the door tonight! https://eff.org/r.48V | May 21 00:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] The Big Wall is epic! http://alain.sixgun.org/map/ !miners | May 21 00:35 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | May 21 00:35 |
| ThistleWeb | does it somehow harm children too? | May 21 00:35 |
| schestowitz | it does | May 21 00:35 |
| when will you produce a positive answer? | May 21 00:35 | |
| schestowitz | but it's not fraud | May 21 00:35 |
| rather than insults? | May 21 00:35 | |
| schestowitz | it's like a clever scam lik tobacco companies' | May 21 00:36 |
| schestowitz | They don't do fraud | May 21 00:36 |
| ThistleWeb | apart from the workers in factories, which has nothing to do with open or closed, just scumbag employers cutting costs | May 21 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Deceptive marketing and harm to people - yes | May 21 00:36 |
| ThistleWeb | what insults? you're determined to bring in all sorts of hyperbole which has NOTHING to do with anything | May 21 00:36 |
| The user can never know what non free software does, it is deceptive by nature, and it exerts power over users. | May 21 00:37 | |
| that power is used to take things of value from the user | May 21 00:37 | |
| this is taking by deceit, also known as fraud. | May 21 00:37 | |
| when the user has no choice but to be defrauded and have things taken from them, we can say the user is enslaved. | May 21 00:38 | |
| _Goblin | ok....so by the same token every food product on the shelves should have the complete recipe included? Coca Cola et al...? | May 21 00:38 |
| when society is not free, you have real slavery | May 21 00:38 | |
| ThistleWeb | ooooh spooky, possession by binary | May 21 00:38 |
| it is spooky. | May 21 00:38 | |
| Microsoft's scraping of Google search terms by keylogging, for example, is very creepy. | May 21 00:39 | |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, And car manufacturers who come up with a way to make the engine more fuel efficient without loss of horsepower shouldn't be able to patent it | May 21 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 21 00:39 |
| schestowitz | [00:38] <_Goblin> ok....so by the same token every food product on the shelves should have the complete recipe included? Coca Cola et al...? | May 21 00:39 |
| it demonstrates the power to spy on anyone at anytime. | May 21 00:39 | |
| schestowitz | It might be reasonably | May 21 00:39 |
| _Goblin | daemonfc: yep, and show you how to manufacture it yourself | May 21 00:39 |
| schestowitz | They are already requird to do 2 things: | May 21 00:39 |
| ThistleWeb | grown adults have all sorts of freedoms to do stuff that's not "good for society" like smoke ciggies | May 21 00:39 |
| schestowitz | 2. nutritional value | May 21 00:39 |
| schestowitz | 2. ingredients | May 21 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | though it makes more sense to argue for automotive patents than software ones | May 21 00:39 |
| schestowitz | *1/2 | May 21 00:40 |
| schestowitz | typo | May 21 00:40 |
| _Goblin | yep but not how its made so that you can make your own Coca Cola. | May 21 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Now, with food it's different | May 21 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | It makes more sense to patent real world products you put a lot of effort into developing | May 21 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Same with hardware | May 21 00:40 |
| _Goblin | really.... | May 21 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Richard Stallman is asked this sometimes | May 21 00:40 |
| don't confuse personal action with commercial activity such as selling cigarettes and Microsoft Windows | May 21 00:40 | |
| schestowitz | You see, you can break down the food | May 21 00:40 |
| _Goblin | one could say you are locked into coca cola if its the only cola you like. | May 21 00:40 |
| schestowitz | To components | May 21 00:40 |
| ThistleWeb | fair enough there's places they can't smoke, but they still have the freedom to harm themselves if they choose | May 21 00:40 |
| schestowitz | And then analyse their effect on you | May 21 00:40 |
| schestowitz | With software it doesn't work this way | May 21 00:40 |
| schestowitz | many zeros and ones in disarray are useless | May 21 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb, There are actually positive health benefits to smoking | May 21 00:41 |
| no one can prevent people from harming themselves, society can prevent people from harming each other | May 21 00:41 | |
| DaemonFC | you don't hear about them though | May 21 00:41 |
| ThistleWeb | twitter: then there should be laws against spyware | May 21 00:41 |
| schestowitz | So without them put in some composition you cannot affect their impact on you | May 21 00:41 |
| _Goblin | and all coke is is a collection of ingredients. | May 21 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Now, imagine this hypothetical scenario | May 21 00:41 |
| _Goblin | which by themselves don't taste like coke, | May 21 00:41 |
| ThistleWeb | closed is just a development model | May 21 00:41 |
| if you make laws against spyware, you must outlaw non free software | May 21 00:41 | |
| schestowitz | If food is put together to cause you to spontaneously combust | May 21 00:41 |
| because there is no way to know if non free software is actually spyware | May 21 00:41 | |
| ThistleWeb | cars can be used for all sorts of purposes, you don't ban cars, you have laws against the illegal uses some people put them to | May 21 00:42 |
| and generally, it is | May 21 00:42 | |
| schestowitz | Then, you might demand that customers are told by food makers how the atoms are put togeher, to avoid harm | May 21 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Food is now software | May 21 00:42 |
| schestowitz | The metaphorgoes as far as sharing | May 21 00:42 |
| schestowitz | software is behaviour | May 21 00:42 |
| schestowitz | food is state | May 21 00:42 |
| _Goblin | twitter: now you are getting onto something else....if non-free was spyware or engages in any sort of covert intrusion into your system, in the UK there is a law for that....its called the computer misuse act. | May 21 00:42 |
| it is not possible for cars to censor my news and mail, unless it's using non free software. | May 21 00:42 | |
| schestowitz | recipe of action applied to ingredients and the end result is the same | May 21 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | twitter, I wrote to my state senator proposing anti-spyware law at one point and he said he didn't feel that would be a good use of the state's budget. I guess he kind of has a point. Why spend taxpayer money imprisoning people for taking advantage of truck-sized holes in Microsoft Windows and accompanying software? | May 21 00:42 |
| schestowitz | food cannot be replicated | May 21 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | if anything, make Microsoft pay to incarcerate them | May 21 00:43 |
| schestowitz | The infinite bread notion | May 21 00:43 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm talking about the HUGE brush stroke you're advocating | May 21 00:43 |
| you can call it what you like | May 21 00:43 | |
| ThistleWeb | it'd be the same as banning cars because some use them to traffic people, weapons etc | May 21 00:43 |
| schestowitz | [00:41] <ThistleWeb> closed is just a development model | May 21 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Not really | May 21 00:43 |
| but you don't refute the logic with more than insults | May 21 00:43 | |
| schestowitz | That's their spin | May 21 00:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @nybill: @fabsh That map looks amazing in "night" view. !miners | May 21 00:43 | |
| schestowitz | Development model is the same | May 21 00:43 |
| _Goblin | twitter: I cannot gain access to your machine by any means without your consent, to do so is a criminal offence...If my non-free software did that without telling you, then I would be committing a crime. | May 21 00:43 |
| Windows, then, is a crime | May 21 00:44 | |
| schestowitz | If I start accepting patches from the outide it varies a little | May 21 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I got awarded $200 today, the check came from the Indiana Attorney General | May 21 00:44 |
| _Goblin | twitter: not at all EULA | May 21 00:44 |
| schestowitz | The "development model" gets used a lot by Microsoft liars | May 21 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Like JasonM | May 21 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | I collected evidence of a company willfully breaking the state Do Not Call law | May 21 00:44 |
| schestowitz | To pretend open source means almost nothing | May 21 00:44 |
| ThistleWeb | it's the same thing, some software is malware, most isn't, closed is about keeping your code indoors, only releasing the compiled product, not what that product is | May 21 00:44 |
| that EULA was not consentual and I doubt you read it. | May 21 00:44 | |
| DaemonFC | and that was my share of the assessed fine :) | May 21 00:44 |
| _Goblin | twitter: it falls under "a condition of entry"....if you do not agree with my "rules" you don't run it. | May 21 00:44 |
| ThistleWeb | not consentual? you can REFUSE IT | May 21 00:44 |
| ThistleWeb | nobody holds a gun to your head and forces your to accept | May 21 00:45 |
| I can not refuse ACPI with any ease. | May 21 00:45 | |
| but really, I'll meet you half way. | May 21 00:45 | |
| _Goblin | twitter: and not reading the EULA is no excuse. If you are that concerned with what you install you should ALWAYS read the EULA....the examples of condition of entry exist in the real world too | May 21 00:45 |
| ThistleWeb | by refusing it, you're not going to run the app | May 21 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | twitter, Buy a system without it | May 21 00:45 |
| ThistleWeb | but it's a choise | May 21 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | ACPI is tied to x86 PCs | May 21 00:45 |
| ThistleWeb | choice* | May 21 00:45 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: sometimes it's a barrier with condition | May 21 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Like people at work forcing you to use proprietary | May 21 00:45 |
| schestowitz | So to say you can refuse the EULA is a gross oversimplication | May 21 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Proprietary software is viral | May 21 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | I have considered going with a non-x86 system next time | May 21 00:46 |
| I won't outlaw non free software, I'll just quit wasting societies resources supporting it by ending copyright for non human readable material and abolishing software patents. Fair enough? | May 21 00:46 | |
| ThistleWeb | that's your employer, you give up a lot more than just that to agree to work there | May 21 00:46 |
| schestowitz | It naturally tries to spread itself through dependency | May 21 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | just because there's so much crap that comes along with it that only works right on Windows | May 21 00:46 |
| _Goblin | twitter: and thats great...thats freedom...the right to choose. | May 21 00:46 |
| ThistleWeb | if they say "we monitor every employees net use" your choice is to accept it's part of the job, or don't work there | May 21 00:46 |
| schestowitz | it's not | May 21 00:46 |
| How long do you think non free software would survive like that? | May 21 00:47 | |
| ThistleWeb | there's always choice | May 21 00:47 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: different things | May 21 00:47 |
| _Goblin | ? | May 21 00:47 |
| schestowitz | but freedom in English has many meanings | May 21 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Freedom and choice are not the same | May 21 00:47 |
| schestowitz | It's a Microsoft propaganda line | May 21 00:47 |
| schestowitz | "We offer choice" | May 21 00:47 |
| schestowitz | When they want to add windows | May 21 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb, People who do illegal things or surf porn at work deserve to get caught and fired | May 21 00:47 |
| _Goblin | the freedom TO choose....thats a freedom | May 21 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, really | May 21 00:47 |
| schestowitz | ot to justfy selling proprietary lockin | May 21 00:47 |
| schestowitz | !techrights choice | May 21 00:47 |
| schestowitz | !google techrights choice | May 21 00:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft Still Uses the Word “Choice” to Lie to the ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/03/01/pro-choice-spin/ | May 21 00:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft's Choice: Patent-Trolling to Death or Real ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/04/18/trigger-happy-msft-and-apple/ | May 21 00:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - At Microsoft, “Choice” Means Adding Windows ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/12/06/spinning-turbohercules-as-choice/ | May 21 00:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - How Microsoft 'Bought' Xen to Remove/Reduce Choice ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2009/02/25/xen-spit-it-out-strategy/ | May 21 00:47 |
| I will keep telling people that non free software is fraud and work to outlaw it, but I'll be happy to quit paying for my enslavement first. | May 21 00:48 | |
| ThistleWeb | most people accept that windows is the most common work environment, and grin and bare it while there, knowing they can exercise their freedom at home, maybe even encourage more use of free at work | May 21 00:48 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: no, freedom of action | May 21 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Choice is different | May 21 00:48 |
| schestowitz | When you are restruicted to some options | May 21 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Like Windows XP or Vista7 | May 21 00:48 |
| ThistleWeb | DaemonFC: not often I agree with you, but on that I agree | May 21 00:48 |
| schestowitz | That;s choice | May 21 00:48 |
| "most people" !==right | May 21 00:48 | |
| schestowitz | It's notm freedom | May 21 00:48 |
| _Goblin | well I'm free to choose one of hundreds of Linux distros, or windows or Mac... | May 21 00:48 |
| _Goblin | I don't think that is exclusive to me. | May 21 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb, I found a way to crash the terminal software on the time clock at one place I worked at | May 21 00:49 |
| you can also chose to eat nails | May 21 00:49 | |
| DaemonFC | spend the lunch break off the clock surfing with IE and the Windows virtual keyboard | May 21 00:49 |
| schestowitz | twitter: you can | May 21 00:49 |
| but that would be your own sillyness rather than a conspiracy on the part of nail makers | May 21 00:49 | |
| schestowitz | that's different though | May 21 00:49 |
| schestowitz | It goes into another debate | May 21 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Like tghe drug legalisation | May 21 00:49 |
| schestowitz | And harming oneself | May 21 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Suicides and such | May 21 00:50 |
| that I'm forced to pay for Microsoft when I buy a computer is the result of a conspiracy. | May 21 00:50 | |
| schestowitz | How much government can intrude people's life and prevent one's harm to self | May 21 00:50 |
| _Goblin | thats different...and I agree | May 21 00:50 |
| ThistleWeb | that's another issue | May 21 00:50 |
| and the results of that conspiracy are harmful | May 21 00:50 | |
| _Goblin | thats not right | May 21 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | they said they really didn't care as long as I was off the clock and wasn't browsing anything inappropriate | May 21 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | I was managing ebay auctions :P | May 21 00:50 |
| schestowitz | then there's the libera;s/freedom versus the "other" | May 21 00:50 |
| _Goblin | thats where the freedom to choose gets hampered and thats wrong. | May 21 00:50 |
| it's not wrong to prevent fraud | May 21 00:50 | |
| schestowitz | it's quite an unorthodox debate, too, and morbid saometimes (like euthanasia) | May 21 00:50 |
| ThistleWeb | being forced to buy a PC with windows is VERY different to buying a copy of windows because that's what you want | May 21 00:50 |
| _Goblin | twitter: no, you misunderstand....its wrong that you should be forced to have windows. | May 21 00:51 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: true | May 21 00:51 |
| _Goblin | twitter: windows can exist, but exist as a choice alongside other OS's | May 21 00:51 |
| schestowitz | I think though that one has to check choice | May 21 00:51 |
| being allowed to sell Windows is the problem, not some one's mistaken desire to use it | May 21 00:51 | |
| ThistleWeb | ok, it's a licence, not buying it but you know what I mean | May 21 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Cause many people don't genuinely choose something proprietary | May 21 00:51 |
| schestowitz | They don't choose MSIE | May 21 00:51 |
| schestowitz | It's just there | May 21 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Chosen by someone else | May 21 00:51 |
| schestowitz | THey do choose Firefox though | May 21 00:51 |
| MinceR | i doubt that being free at home offsets having to put up with winblows at work :> | May 21 00:52 |
| the same logic is used by tobacco companies | May 21 00:52 | |
| ThistleWeb | mistaken desire? there you go again speaking for others | May 21 00:52 |
| schestowitz | They almost always choose Linux | May 21 00:52 |
| ThistleWeb | some people are happy with windows, they want windows, they don't want anything else | May 21 00:52 |
| schestowitz | So one has to check if the users are actually users _of choice_ | May 21 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Or victims of circumstance | May 21 00:52 |
| being smoke free at home offsets having smoke blown in your face for eight hours? | May 21 00:52 | |
| ThistleWeb | I'd have been one of them yrs ago before I got linux and saw the difference | May 21 00:52 |
| I should be happy with private freedom and surrender it in pulbic? | May 21 00:52 | |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: they usually are people who never tried anything else | May 21 00:52 |
| ThistleWeb | exactly | May 21 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Someone like an OEM 'chose' (kickbacks) Windows | May 21 00:53 |
| ThistleWeb | the point is they're choosing something they want | May 21 00:53 |
| schestowitz | And then they are stuck with something they never truly chose | May 21 00:53 |
| again, the problem is not that users are deceived, it's that Microsoft is allowed to rape them. | May 21 00:53 | |
| schestowitz | And they cannot choose anything else when buying the next PC | May 21 00:53 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe they don't know there's an alternative, or how to go about it | May 21 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Even if they genuinely wanted to depart from Windows | May 21 00:53 |
| ThistleWeb | jesus, any more emotive terms you wanna bring into it? now it's rape | May 21 00:54 |
| some people want and buy cigarettes, but society has the right to ban it in public places and perhaps ban the sale | May 21 00:54 | |
| schestowitz | I used the word "softwarae molesttation" jokingly some years ago | May 21 00:54 |
| data rape | May 21 00:54 | |
| it's what Windows does best | May 21 00:54 | |
| schestowitz | in relation to imposing Windows on kids at schools | May 21 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft bribging some schools to force the kids to "I'm a PC" mentality | May 21 00:54 |
| schestowitz | That's wrong | May 21 00:54 |
| schestowitz | As wrong as religious schools | May 21 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Forciing kids to be something they don't choose to be | May 21 00:54 |
| ThistleWeb | I know a few women who have been raped in their past, I'm sure your use of the term "rape" will go down GREAT with them while trying to educate them about software | May 21 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Cause someone ie bribging or pressuring or seeks to assimilate | May 21 00:55 |
| Windows is a religion, complete with blind faith. | May 21 00:55 | |
| how do you know that I have not been raped? | May 21 00:55 | |
| _Goblin | right..thats me out of this one....next it will be relating M-theory to why at the point of the big bang, proprietary software should not have existed.... | May 21 00:55 |
| schestowitz | "If there is Windows, there has GOT to be a crea...TOR! " :-) | May 21 00:55 |
| ThistleWeb | and that's relevant how exactly? | May 21 00:55 |
| why do you make the conversation personal? | May 21 00:55 | |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: :-) | May 21 00:56 |
| ThistleWeb | twitter: you're flitting through a whole bunch of hyperbole arguments to try and justify denying someone the freedom to choose | May 21 00:56 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: did you see the news abour MSFT value | May 21 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Fell behind IBM's today | May 21 00:56 |
| _Goblin | no... | May 21 00:56 |
| ThistleWeb | all of which just make you sound like a cook | May 21 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Falling rapidly | May 21 00:56 |
| you criticize my language to discourage my work. | May 21 00:56 | |
| ThistleWeb | work? | May 21 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Maybe will be #5 next year | May 21 00:56 |
| ThistleWeb | rofl | May 21 00:56 |
| schestowitz | WHen Ballmer is in detention :-) | May 21 00:56 |
| I would be encouraged if I thought you were rolling on the floor laughing. | May 21 00:57 | |
| Just tell my why you think non free software is not fraud. | May 21 00:57 | |
| ThistleWeb | in spirit I feel sorry for you, if you think any of the arguments you explain in here actually help your cause | May 21 00:58 |
| I have not seen any counter arguments, just vague talk about the right to chose to be defrauded . | May 21 00:58 | |
| ThistleWeb | sorry, I don't go for broad statements, you'll have to be specific | May 21 00:58 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz, Ahhhhhhhhh a remark that doesn't favour Microsoft....you must be a hater!!!! :) - Thats probably what Ballmers been telling the shareholders for years... "Yeah don't listen to the critics, nothing is wrong, they are just haters" | May 21 00:58 |
| ThistleWeb | what non-free | May 21 00:58 |
| I've given you the logic. | May 21 00:58 | |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: exactly, | May 21 00:59 |
| schestowitz | That's not just a Microsogt thing though | May 21 00:59 |
| Let's see if you agree with the points, one at a time. | May 21 00:59 | |
| schestowitz | It generalises to many things | May 21 00:59 |
| ThistleWeb | no, you've lumped everything non-free together, regardless of who develops it, for what, how well it works etc | May 21 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Describe something as "irrational hater" | May 21 00:59 |
| _Goblin | mmmm | May 21 00:59 |
| schestowitz | I am equally guilty sometimes for calling people "Microsoft booster" | May 21 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Which does devalue their opinion | May 21 00:59 |
| ThistleWeb | if I develop a FOSS virus, it's a good thing? | May 21 00:59 |
| _Goblin | I think thats quite polite | May 21 00:59 |
| Non free software is inherently dishonest. It does not reveal what it does to the user's machine or data. True or false? | May 21 00:59 | |
| ThistleWeb | purely beacuse it's FOSS | May 21 00:59 |
| schestowitz | "This guy is selling Windows books for a living, so the following opinion of his about Microsoft..." | May 21 01:00 |
| ThistleWeb | twitter: try being specific, what non-free app are you talking about? | May 21 01:00 |
| schestowitz | But I don't say /:hater" | May 21 01:00 |
| schestowitz | I say "booster" | May 21 01:00 |
| schestowitz | That's the positive | May 21 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Not the negative | May 21 01:00 |
| ThistleWeb | software is software is software | May 21 01:00 |
| _Goblin | twitter: I'd say false...code cannot be dishonest only the intention of the dev behind it.... | May 21 01:00 |
| any non free program has this property, true or false? | May 21 01:00 | |
| schestowitz | And they known they boost Microsoft, they are not insulted by the label | May 21 01:00 |
| schestowitz | They know it just reduces the impact of whatever message they have | May 21 01:00 |
| schestowitz | So they'd occasionally go like, "I tried Linux, but..." | May 21 01:01 |
| Non free software is deceptive because it hides it's workings. True of False? | May 21 01:01 | |
| schestowitz | Even Da Costa did it | May 21 01:01 |
| ThistleWeb | some will, some won't....to try and claim that they all do just on the basis that they're non-free is a joke | May 21 01:01 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: depends in what form | May 21 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Software as binary? | May 21 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Software as code? | May 21 01:01 |
| _Goblin | twitter: false....check you definition of the word dishonest. | May 21 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Software as servide (binary and code absent)? | May 21 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Software has become a broad term | May 21 01:02 |
| ThistleWeb | sofware people run tends to be binary | May 21 01:02 |
| schestowitz | On /cloud' I'm just a guest | May 21 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Not by choice | May 21 01:02 |
| Deceptive \De*cep"tive\, a. [Cf. F. d['e]ceptif. See Deceive.] | May 21 01:02 | |
| Tending to deceive; | May 21 01:02 | |
| schestowitz | And with binary only I'm a slave of the programmer | May 21 01:02 |
| _Goblin | "Deception, not being able to be trusted. Lying, cheating, etc." | May 21 01:02 |
| ThistleWeb | the difference is whether or not the developers have a licencing / development model that keeps the source hidden, or releases it | May 21 01:02 |
| having power to mislead, or impress with | May 21 01:02 | |
| false opinions | May 21 01:02 | |
| ThistleWeb | it makes NO difference to the binary itself | May 21 01:02 |
| _Goblin | I can't see how that would relate to my Killzone 3 | May 21 01:02 |
| schestowitz | [01:02] <ThistleWeb> sofware people run tends to be binary | May 21 01:02 |
| schestowitz | they cannot modify it | May 21 01:03 |
| _Goblin | twitter: Maybe you could explain how Killzone 3 is dishonest. | May 21 01:03 |
| schestowitz | it's also not in the form it was coded in | May 21 01:03 |
| _Goblin | twitter, as an example of your point | May 21 01:03 |
| you don't know what it does | May 21 01:03 | |
| schestowitz | It's essentially mangled | May 21 01:03 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: fair enough, but it does not automatically make it a fraud | May 21 01:03 |
| schestowitz | so it's software only a machine can deal with | May 21 01:03 |
| _Goblin | twitter: yes I do, it allows me to engage in firefights online with others....it is a fps | May 21 01:03 |
| ThistleWeb | it just means you can't modify it | May 21 01:03 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: it does not | May 21 01:03 |
| schestowitz | *some* might be fraud, not all | May 21 01:04 |
| ThistleWeb | excalty | May 21 01:04 |
| schestowitz | secret yes | May 21 01:04 |
| Killzone 3, may without your knowledge, record all sounds around you, transcribe the text and send it to the softwares owner | May 21 01:04 | |
| schestowitz | Fraud - sometimes | May 21 01:04 |
| _Goblin | twitter, after reading the EULA, I know exactly what data it takes from me and I choose to use it because I like the game. | May 21 01:04 |
| deceptive, always. | May 21 01:04 | |
| _Goblin | so you don't use cashpoints? | May 21 01:04 |
| the EULA is not the source code, you don't know what Killzone does. | May 21 01:04 | |
| ThistleWeb | or banks in general | May 21 01:04 |
| schestowitz | cashpoints are like casino | May 21 01:04 |
| ThistleWeb | they all use windows heavily | May 21 01:04 |
| schestowitz | They are like tokens | May 21 01:04 |
| schestowitz | Or chips | May 21 01:05 |
| you change the subject ThistleWeb. | May 21 01:05 | |
| ThistleWeb | many banking sites mistakenly run on windows | May 21 01:05 |
| schestowitz | They just represent something managed by a more complex system of very dihonest fraudulent people | May 21 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Who take derivative and create 'money' at a whim | May 21 01:05 |
| ThistleWeb | twitter: wasn't me | May 21 01:05 |
| _Goblin | twitter: please listen....if Killzone 3 did anything which wasn't mentioned in the EULA and agreed with (by me running it) they would commit a criminal offense under the computer misuse act.... | May 21 01:05 |
| non free software is deceptive and dishonest by nature. | May 21 01:05 | |
| schestowitz | it's all proprietary | May 21 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Had it been out in the open, there would be research leading to outtage | May 21 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Like the things hedge funds do | May 21 01:05 |
| _Goblin | twitter, in the UK you cannot covertly intrude into someones computer.... | May 21 01:05 |
| it is impossible to detect the violation | May 21 01:06 | |
| because the intrusion is done with secret code | May 21 01:06 | |
| schestowitz | it's not audited here | May 21 01:06 |
| _Goblin | twitter, come on, you expect us to believe that the devs of a game would risk so much when they make their money by selling games? | May 21 01:06 |
| ThistleWeb | if closed is undetectable in what it does, am I just imagining the term "reverse enginering"? | May 21 01:06 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: | May 21 01:06 |
| schestowitz | !google sony rootkit | May 21 01:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Sony BMG copy protection rootkit scandal - Wikipedia, the free ... | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal | May 21 01:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Real Story of the Rogue Rootkit | http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2005/11/69601 | May 21 01:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Sony, Rootkits and Digital Rights Management Gone Too Far - Mark's ... | http://blogs.technet.com/b/markrussinovich/archive/2005/10/31/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights-management-gone-too-far.aspx | May 21 01:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - FAQ: Sony's 'rootkit' CDs - CNET News | http://news.cnet.com/FAQ-Sonys-rootkit-CDs/2100-1029_3-5946760.html | May 21 01:06 |
| I expect you to admit that they can but should not be allowed to do so. | May 21 01:07 | |
| schestowitz | just fir music | May 21 01:07 |
| schestowitz | A friggin' music CD | May 21 01:07 |
| ThistleWeb | what about malware writers? they don't get any assistance from Microsoft with the code to write malware | May 21 01:07 |
| and the only way to prevent that kind of abuse is to outlaw non free software | May 21 01:07 | |
| ThistleWeb | they have to find exploits, by watching what programs do | May 21 01:07 |
| again, you change the subject | May 21 01:07 | |
| ThistleWeb | sure if they had the code they could get a few days lead | May 21 01:07 |
| _Goblin | twitter, I ask you again, do you use the cashpoint machine? | May 21 01:07 |
| ThistleWeb | so closed or open makes no difference, if it's malicious, people will find out | May 21 01:08 |
| schestowitz | [01:07] <ThistleWeb> what about malware writers? they don't get any assistance from Microsoft with the code to write malware | May 21 01:08 |
| schestowitz | I don't get the point | May 21 01:08 |
| schestowitz | [01:07] <ThistleWeb> they have to find exploits, by watching what programs do | May 21 01:08 |
| schestowitz | No | May 21 01:08 |
| that is irrelevant . we are talking about what's right and what's wrong | May 21 01:08 | |
| schestowitz | Proprietary is less secure | May 21 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Proprietary discourages secure audited coding | May 21 01:08 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: can he choose a free/libre one? | May 21 01:09 |
| _Goblin | twitter: not its not....thats code, you "use" it and Im sure you don't know what its doing....whats the difference with using cashpoint machine software> | May 21 01:09 |
| ThistleWeb | my point is that if closed can keep it's malicious acts hidden, someone must have uninvented the term reverse engineering | May 21 01:09 |
| to understand what's wrong, we have to understand how non free software works and what it can do to people | May 21 01:09 | |
| schestowitz | Again, proprietary systems imposed on people | May 21 01:09 |
| schestowitz | They are given no way to verify the activities that affect them, digitised | May 21 01:09 |
| _Goblin | twitter, so the cashpoint machine doesnt have any hidden malicious acts then? and you know this because? | May 21 01:09 |
| schestowitz | he can't know | May 21 01:10 |
| schestowitz | it does have malicious features | May 21 01:10 |
| _Goblin | so then he wont use it. | May 21 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Like those machines I sometimes accintally use | May 21 01:10 |
| I don't know this and the bank should not be allowed to use that software | May 21 01:10 | |
| schestowitz | And take commissions | May 21 01:10 |
| ThistleWeb | but you still use them? | May 21 01:10 |
| schestowitz | With hard-to-notice warnings | May 21 01:10 |
| _Goblin | so you don't have a debit card twitter? | May 21 01:10 |
| but I'm talking about software on my property, my computer | May 21 01:10 | |
| schestowitz | banks should run free software | May 21 01:10 |
| agreed | May 21 01:10 | |
| schestowitz | it's borderline public service, although not anymore | May 21 01:10 |
| _Goblin | because how do you know what the POS software is doing with your debit card. | May 21 01:10 |
| schestowitz | and bankers are notorious for being corrupt greedy criminals | May 21 01:11 |
| otherwise they cede power to the software owner | May 21 01:11 | |
| ThistleWeb | banks should, but while they don't agree, do you accept it and use them? or do you shun the banks? | May 21 01:11 |
| schestowitz | The first step to combat this is to demand transparency | May 21 01:11 |
| schestowitz | This includes codd | May 21 01:11 |
| schestowitz | *code | May 21 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Wells Fargo still uses Solaris 8 :P | May 21 01:11 |
| schestowitz | They have bots gambling against oeopke in FraudStreet | May 21 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | with Windows 2000 terminals | May 21 01:11 |
| schestowitz | That's why the acitvities there too should be transparent | May 21 01:11 |
| MinceR | gn | May 21 01:12 |
| _Goblin | gn mate.... | May 21 01:12 |
| schestowitz | nn | May 21 01:12 |
| The question was | May 21 01:12 | |
| non free software is deceptive, True or False? | May 21 01:12 | |
| _Goblin | false | May 21 01:12 |
| ThistleWeb | banks are even more scary than just ATMs, a LOT of their connection stuff is windows based, so all your data is darting about their non-free system if you have an account, make a transaction etc | May 21 01:12 |
| ah | May 21 01:12 | |
| schestowitz | not always deceptive, no.. | May 21 01:12 |
| _Goblin | check the definition of deceptive | May 21 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Disrespectful mayb | May 21 01:12 |
| _Goblin | non-transparent - fair enough | May 21 01:13 |
| I'll paste the definition again. | May 21 01:13 | |
| _Goblin | I would | May 21 01:13 |
| schestowitz | coercive it is.. | May 21 01:13 |
| ThistleWeb | you already pasted it, it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong | May 21 01:13 |
| "having power to mislead, or impress with false opinions" I'd say that is the power non free software has. | May 21 01:13 | |
| how can you disagree with something so simple? | May 21 01:14 | |
| ThistleWeb | having power !== using it | May 21 01:14 |
| MinceR | problematic from a security perspective. :> | May 21 01:14 |
| ThistleWeb | I have the power to glass someone in the face | May 21 01:14 |
| _Goblin | "having power" is very different to your statement of "non free is deceptive" - you are suggesting everything there. | May 21 01:14 |
| ThistleWeb | not gonna do it | May 21 01:14 |
| ThistleWeb | but I could | May 21 01:14 |
| non free software can not be verified, so you don't know if the owner has used their power - that is deceptive. | May 21 01:14 | |
| ThistleWeb | if I do, I should be punished for doing it | May 21 01:14 |
| _Goblin | so in answer to your question FALSE non-free software is not deceptive. | May 21 01:15 |
| I don't think you should have that power in the first place | May 21 01:15 | |
| _Goblin | hang on twitter..... | May 21 01:15 |
| ThistleWeb | in many cases it can be verified, just not by us | May 21 01:15 |
| no, it can not be verified. | May 21 01:15 | |
| ThistleWeb | microsoft often allow govts to examine the code if they like, under NDAs etc | May 21 01:15 |
| _Goblin | If I say I am a linux user, do that mean I am deceptive because you don't know for sure? | May 21 01:15 |
| even if you have the source code, deceptive use can be hidden | May 21 01:15 | |
| ThistleWeb | other non-free companies do the same | May 21 01:15 |
| _Goblin | Maybe thistleweb is deceptive....he says he's from Scotland, but we don't know for sure | May 21 01:16 |
| but giving out the source code is honest | May 21 01:16 | |
| ThistleWeb | they're not allowed to modify it | May 21 01:16 |
| hiding it is deceptive | May 21 01:16 | |
| _Goblin | Maybe Roy is....we believe his name is roy, but we don't know for sure. | May 21 01:16 |
| you keep the user from knowing the truth about the operations of their computer | May 21 01:16 | |
| *ThistleWeb is a wild haggis with nimble digits | May 21 01:16 | |
| that is a simple deception | May 21 01:16 | |
| _Goblin | I had heard that thistleweb | May 21 01:16 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | May 21 01:17 |
| ThistleWeb | what about gadgets? | May 21 01:17 |
| ThistleWeb | you you make your own parts for your PC? | May 21 01:18 |
| but you disagree with this simple premise, so the rest is lost. You will allow others power over you because you trust they will not abuse you and you do not demand the respect of informed consent. | May 21 01:18 | |
| ThistleWeb | make your own motherboard? cpu? | May 21 01:18 |
| You do not demand reasonable verification. | May 21 01:18 | |
| ThistleWeb | they don't give you the blueprint to those | May 21 01:18 |
| ThistleWeb | so you don't know what they do | May 21 01:18 |
| you change the subject again. | May 21 01:18 | |
| A does not please you, so you talk about B which is different as if that will disprove A. | May 21 01:19 | |
| ThistleWeb | it's closed, so by your logic, it must be fraud, because they hide the details of how it works from you | May 21 01:19 |
| _Goblin | just like a cashpoint machines software | May 21 01:19 |
| _Goblin | which twitter must not use | May 21 01:19 |
| B is not A. | May 21 01:19 | |
| _Goblin | ah so a cashpoint is ok then? | May 21 01:19 |
| ThistleWeb | don't get me started ont he Tesco self service crap, which is also windows kiosks | May 21 01:19 |
| I think the power non free software exerts is fraud, yes, that is true. | May 21 01:20 | |
| *ThistleWeb only uses cash in them, because they're windows | May 21 01:20 | |
| _Goblin | I thought it was deception? | May 21 01:20 |
| _Goblin | now its fraud | May 21 01:20 |
| _Goblin | two completely different terms, especially in the realms of criminal offences | May 21 01:20 |
| ThistleWeb | _Goblin: it was always fraud until logic hit the fan | May 21 01:20 |
| It takes by deception, that is fraud, but it is hard to move you down the road. | May 21 01:20 | |
| _Goblin | lol.... | May 21 01:21 |
| _Goblin | if only.... | May 21 01:21 |
| you resist the simple premise that hidden code is deceptive | May 21 01:21 | |
| _Goblin | and you wont answer my question | May 21 01:21 |
| ThistleWeb | takes what? if you never had something to begin with, what did it take? | May 21 01:21 |
| _Goblin | What about the hidden code on a cashpoint machine? | May 21 01:21 |
| _Goblin | answer it. | May 21 01:21 |
| ThistleWeb | let alone taking by deception | May 21 01:21 |
| Ah, that's a good question. What does non free software take? | May 21 01:21 | |
| _Goblin | What about the hidden code on a cashpoint machine? | May 21 01:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fabsh And who's local time? | May 21 01:22 | |
| It takes control. | May 21 01:22 | |
| ThistleWeb | you never had control | May 21 01:22 |
| You can't make non free software do what you want it to do. | May 21 01:22 | |
| _Goblin | your argument has more holes than IE and you can't even answer my question | May 21 01:22 |
| I have control of my computer. Non free software would remove that control. | May 21 01:22 | |
| _Goblin | What about the hidden code on a cashpoint machine? | May 21 01:22 |
| ThistleWeb | so you can't lose something you never had | May 21 01:22 |
| ThistleWeb | you choose to put free software on your free OS, that's fine | May 21 01:23 |
| So, I was always a slave and will always be one? | May 21 01:23 | |
| ThistleWeb | many people don't care | May 21 01:23 |
| _Goblin | I give up....... | May 21 01:23 |
| ThistleWeb | they use what works for them | May 21 01:23 |
| Because I've never had control of my computer, I should give it up? | May 21 01:23 | |
| ThistleWeb | you chose not to install any non-free | May 21 01:23 |
| ThistleWeb | that's fine | May 21 01:23 |
| ah, the non free song, it is so soothing. | May 21 01:24 | |
| that's fine | May 21 01:24 | |
| _Goblin | one last time twitter.... | May 21 01:24 |
| _Goblin | What about the hidden code on a cashpoint machine? | May 21 01:24 |
| ThistleWeb | if people choose to install stuff they never had control of, they never lost any control | May 21 01:24 |
| _Goblin is stubborn. | May 21 01:24 | |
| _Goblin | I just want an answer | May 21 01:24 |
| _Goblin | I want your opinion | May 21 01:24 |
| _Goblin | is that unfair? | May 21 01:25 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, I'll shut up, to avoid being used as a distraction while he evades the answer | May 21 01:25 |
| I gave it to you. You don't seem to have understood. | May 21 01:25 | |
| _Goblin | ok...humour me...I must have missed it with all the tangents... | May 21 01:25 |
| _Goblin | Do you refuse to use a cashpoint machine or have a debit card? | May 21 01:25 |
| _Goblin | after all theres plenty of hidden code on cashpoints a sales terminals in shops | May 21 01:26 |
| The bank should use free software. My use of cash machines is irrelevant to my software freedom. | May 21 01:26 | |
| _Goblin | lol | May 21 01:26 |
| ThistleWeb | rofl | May 21 01:26 |
| _Goblin | thanks | May 21 01:26 |
| ThistleWeb | so you do use them | May 21 01:26 |
| _Goblin | Ive got my answer | May 21 01:26 |
| you are welcome. | May 21 01:26 | |
| ThistleWeb | like the rest of us | May 21 01:26 |
| _Goblin | finally we get there. | May 21 01:26 |
| no, we never got there. | May 21 01:26 | |
| ThistleWeb | despite knowing you're being defrauded (your terms) | May 21 01:26 |
| ThistleWeb | because the code is closed, you must be defrauded | May 21 01:27 |
| _Goblin | I got my answer Ive been asked repeated for the last 30 minutes | May 21 01:27 |
| Non free software takes power over users that no one should have. True or False? | May 21 01:27 | |
| _Goblin | I don't think we are playing anymore. | May 21 01:28 |
| _Goblin | the cashpoint answer did it for me. | May 21 01:28 |
| ThistleWeb | do you troll professionally? or just in your spare time? | May 21 01:28 |
| answer the question please, we might have a difference of opinion. | May 21 01:28 | |
| ThistleWeb | we already have.....be more specific, non-free is just about releasing the source code, not what the code does | May 21 01:29 |
| _Goblin | right....Im off for a smoke.....and maybe try and travel back in time a couple of hours.......and do something else. | May 21 01:29 |
| ThistleWeb | and yeah, it is a waste of time debating in a world where logic doesn't exist | May 21 01:30 |
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| No, software freedom is about four specific freedoms. They depend on source code but they are really rights to do what you want with your computer and others not taking those rights from you. | May 21 01:30 | |
| schestowitz | [01:26] <ThistleWeb> despite knowing you're being defrauded (your terms) | May 21 01:30 |
| schestowitz | I don't see what the point was... | May 21 01:31 |
| Yeah, he made up terms for me. | May 21 01:31 | |
| schestowitz | Maybe I need to scroll up | May 21 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Stallman too has a bank account | May 21 01:31 |
| there was no point but evasion. | May 21 01:31 | |
| schestowitz | And it does not mean he endorses the banks | May 21 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Green activists drive sometimes | May 21 01:31 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't mean they don't do good work | May 21 01:31 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: the claim is that non-free is fraud, by definition of being non-free. ATMs use non-free, if you use them knowing that, then you use them knowing you're being defrauded | May 21 01:31 |
| they ended the conversation by calling me a troll and accusing me of wasting their time. | May 21 01:31 | |
| schestowitz | They drive change within the framework available to them | May 21 01:31 |
| nice eh? | May 21 01:32 | |
| ThistleWeb | hence the determination to say "my use of ATMs has nothing to do with this" | May 21 01:32 |
| schestowitz | [01:31] <ThistleWeb> schestowitz: the claim is that non-free is fraud, by definition of being non-free. ATMs use non-free, if you use them knowing that, then you use them knowing you're being defrauded | May 21 01:32 |
| schestowitz | It's true | May 21 01:32 |
| The claim is that non free software is fraud. The rest of what you claim for me, does not follow. | May 21 01:33 | |
| schestowitz | When I put money in the bank I help fraudsters | May 21 01:33 |
| schestowitz | But it does not make me part of that embezzlement | May 21 01:33 |
| the non free software the bank uses defrauds the bank. | May 21 01:33 | |
| ThistleWeb | I don't like banks using non-free either, but I choose to either use them or not | May 21 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | ok, that's interesting. Noticed that drop down menus in a page wouldn't work on Firefox in Fedora, until I removed my profile and had it build a new one | May 21 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | apparently something in Fedora's default profile breaks that | May 21 01:33 |
| they have to buy new versions, if nothing else, but it might also report to it's owner. | May 21 01:33 | |
| and it may conceal other malicious features. | May 21 01:33 | |
| schestowitz | I think the point was, the maker of the software is doing the bad thing | May 21 01:34 |
| schestowitz | The user is not | May 21 01:34 |
| schestowitz | The user is merely being used | May 21 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Same with ATMs | May 21 01:34 |
| ThistleWeb | software does what it's coded to do, it doesn't automatically compile in malicous functions if it knows the source code will never be public | May 21 01:34 |
| ThistleWeb | some devs will do that, it does not do it automatically | May 21 01:35 |
| My use of an ATM puts me at risk of those things too, but this only proves that non free software is bad, not that I'm inconsistent or think that the bank directly defrauds me with non free ATMs. | May 21 01:35 | |
| ThistleWeb | so it doesn't defraud you (the user of the ATM) | May 21 01:35 |
| do devs or software owners deserve the power to defraud? | May 21 01:35 | |
| or "freedom" as you would call it? | May 21 01:35 | |
| ThistleWeb | but somehow thats different from defrauding users | May 21 01:36 |
| no one deserves that freedom | May 21 01:36 | |
| ThistleWeb | then target those who do it | May 21 01:36 |
| but you dance abound that point with car and gun analogies that do not apply to software | May 21 01:36 | |
| ThistleWeb | cars can be used for all sorts of things, you target those using it for illegal purposes | May 21 01:36 |
| just admit that you think that non free software is OK that you are OK with people having that power over users | May 21 01:37 | |
| ThistleWeb | non-free software is acceptable | May 21 01:37 |
| ThistleWeb | people have the freedom to make or use it, or not | May 21 01:38 |
| I'm sorry we have this difference of opinion. | May 21 01:38 | |
| ThistleWeb | if that is important to them | May 21 01:38 |
| ThistleWeb | for many users, they don't give a hoot about freedoms, they want to use something they like, and works for them | May 21 01:38 |
| I'd point to all of the ways that people have abused this power over others, but I don't think you would disagree with that. | May 21 01:38 | |
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| ThistleWeb | yes, target those who abuse it, that's my point | May 21 01:38 |
| ThistleWeb | just by being non-free is NOT a crime | May 21 01:39 |
| ThistleWeb | it's about what it does | May 21 01:39 |
| Why do you care about the opinions of ignorant people. They do not validate immoral behavior | May 21 01:39 | |
| non free software is immoral because it is deceptive | May 21 01:39 | |
| and I think it should be a crime | May 21 01:39 | |
| you have convinced me of this | May 21 01:40 | |
| thanks | May 21 01:40 | |
| ThistleWeb | lol, yeah I'm sure that one goes down well "sorry buddy, you're ignorant, not your fault but you're not qualified to make your own mind up, I am though and this is how it's gonna be" | May 21 01:40 |
| We need not be ignorant. | May 21 01:40 | |
| ThistleWeb | then encourage people | May 21 01:40 |
| ThistleWeb | don't ram it down their throats with all sorts of hyperbole | May 21 01:41 |
| ThistleWeb | don't deny them the use of stuff they're perfectly happy with | May 21 01:41 |
| I will not self censor my simple opinion. Do not try to discourage me. | May 21 01:41 | |
| ThistleWeb | I guarantee if I start a conversation about the whole FOSS idea, and go on about slavery, fraud etc they glaze over within seconds, dismiss me as a cook and blank me | May 21 01:42 |
| I will tell people that non free software should be against the law. That's not the same as denying anything - this is a "right" that non free software owners hang over the heads of the ignorant. | May 21 01:43 | |
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| ThistleWeb | it IS denying it. It's denying a dev;s choice if they want to release non-free, and the uiser who wants to use something that happens to be non-free | May 21 01:43 |
| black is white and white is black with you. | May 21 01:44 | |
| _Goblin | I think I'll retire for the night.... ;) | May 21 01:44 |
| ThistleWeb | it's asying "you're not allowed to be non-free" | May 21 01:44 |
| ThistleWeb | not "free is better" | May 21 01:44 |
| ThistleWeb | _Goblin: pm before you go? | May 21 01:44 |
| _Goblin | pm? | May 21 01:44 |
| Non free software is the only software that denies users of their rights to use their computers. | May 21 01:44 | |
| _Goblin | oh.... | May 21 01:44 |
| _Goblin | I see | May 21 01:45 |
| _Goblin | you are off screen.... | May 21 01:45 |
| _Goblin | two secs | May 21 01:45 |
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| I won't keep people from using it, I'll keep Microsoft from defrauding people. Why do you turn this around like a cigarette salesman? | May 21 01:45 | |
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| ThistleWeb | if people choose to, as grown adults, they should be allowed to, we should be encouraging them to use free but not forcing them | May 21 01:46 |
| again, you twist things | May 21 01:46 | |
| I say people should not be allowed to take advantage, you defend people's rights to be taken advantage of as if fraud were a matter of freedom rather than abuse. | May 21 01:47 | |
| This is what cigarette makers do. | May 21 01:47 | |
| "How dare you keep this many from smoking?" they ask whenever people propose regulations on sales of tobacco or clean air. | May 21 01:48 | |
| You promote victimization in the name of personal freedom. | May 21 01:49 | |
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| DaemonFC | one of the interesting things that current US copyright law applies to is that software written by any US federal government employee is automatically in the public domain | May 21 01:50 |
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| ThistleWeb | I promote grown adults being free to choose any legal pursuit they like, even if I don't agree with it | May 21 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | so they get around this a lot by paying contractors instead, that way they get to license it as nonfree software anyway and it costs the taxpayers more | May 21 01:51 |
| ThistleWeb | I used to smoke | May 21 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | that's why our voting machines run nonfree software | May 21 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | even though they are a work of the federal government | May 21 01:51 |
| ThistleWeb | I gave up not because someone banned it, but because I chose to give up | May 21 01:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Firefox add-on with 7m downloads secretly tracks your browsing history http://ur1.ca/48jh3 | May 21 01:52 | |
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| don't confuse legal with moral | May 21 01:52 | |
| ThistleWeb | dude, with you I confuse nothing | May 21 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | legal and ethical don't even belong in the same sentence | May 21 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | there's plenty of ethical things that are illegal and unethical things that are perfectly legal | May 21 01:52 |
| _Goblin | and unethically, things that are ethical with are perfectly legal....... ;) Gn all | May 21 01:53 |
| true, I'm not confused. | May 21 01:53 | |
| _Goblin | *which | May 21 01:53 |
| ;-) | May 21 01:53 | |
| DaemonFC | our legal system is rotten because you have to ask a lawyer if doing the right thing is legal | May 21 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | in many cases | May 21 01:54 |
| Do you think it is moral to terminate someone's use of software? | May 21 01:54 | |
| non free software always does this because the user is unable to port it | May 21 01:56 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't really care what an employer uses | May 21 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | it's not me paying for it | May 21 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 21 01:56 |
| *_Goblin has quit (Quit: Leaving) | May 21 01:57 | |
| they want to convince me that non free software is some kind of ethical agreement between consenting adults but the power relationship is nothing of the sort. | May 21 01:57 | |
| DaemonFC | it does make me mad when a government agency is using nonfree software because I am paying for them to do it | May 21 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's one of those typical big government things | May 21 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | we don't care how much money we waste because we can always take more out of your paycheck | May 21 01:58 |
| the software's owner has all of the power and the user has none, even if it were just you and me rather than you and some huge company. | May 21 01:58 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 21 01:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh you don't want to know how true that statement is | May 21 01:58 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter, It especially makes me mad when they store my personal information on nonfree software known to have a lot of security problems, such as Windows | May 21 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | like when the Department of Motor Vehicles does it | May 21 01:59 |
| windows has malicious features that make the security problem a smaller concern | May 21 02:00 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter, if someone breaks into the DMV they can not only clone my driver's license, but also my social security card, my birth certificate.... | May 21 02:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Hehehe.... When I saw the legs I knew what's going on.... ;) | May 21 02:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to bed. Got enough work done today, I reckon. | May 21 02:00 | |
| DaemonFC | they know where I live | May 21 02:00 |
| Microsoft has already broken into the DMV | May 21 02:00 | |
| ThistleWeb | they had to, they needed to know where to send the awared | May 21 02:00 |
| ThistleWeb | awards* | May 21 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | and so all of that is just sitting there on Windows, waiting for someone to steal it | May 21 02:00 |
| Bill Gates would probably call them "Dumb Fucks" | May 21 02:00 | |
| DaemonFC | and if I don't let them, I can't drive my car | May 21 02:00 |
| So, Microsoft knows more than the DMV and has a track record of not caring or not being able to care about the information. | May 21 02:01 | |
| DaemonFC | along with my earlier complaint, government wasting my money on this crap because I'm fotting the bill and can't stop them | May 21 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | *footing | May 21 02:01 |
| Microsoft knows more than the DMV, the IRS, your schools and Google does about you if you use Windows. | May 21 02:02 | |
| they gain this power by those the use of Windows by those agencies | May 21 02:02 | |
| DaemonFC | it's not like any software will ever be perfectly secure no matter what you do, but using Windows and other Microsoft software is just gratuitously begging to be attacked and have your data stolen | May 21 02:02 |
| using Windows is like emailing everything to Bill Gates. | May 21 02:03 | |
| DaemonFC | right, because the government signs the Windows EULA along with whatever else they use | May 21 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | and Microsoft gets to take any information they want right off the hard disk | May 21 02:03 |
| it's also like giving Microsoft the ability to edit that information at will | May 21 02:03 | |
| that too is part of the EULA | May 21 02:04 | |
| cubezzz | aren't governments using MIcrosoft less now? | May 21 02:04 |
| cubezzz | in Europe at least? | May 21 02:04 |
| but Thisleweb is OK with that because non free software is a free agreement between consenting adults. | May 21 02:04 | |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, No. Microsoft either gives it away free, at a sharp "discount", or bribes the people making the buying decisions | May 21 02:04 |
| I hope so, cubezzz | May 21 02:05 | |
| DaemonFC | that way they keep it in government as much as possible | May 21 02:05 |
| cubezzz | I know North America is bad, but I hear good things about South America and Europe | May 21 02:05 |
| cubezzz | Asia too | May 21 02:05 |
| cubezzz | once the OEMs get their act together... that's the end of dominance by Microsoft | May 21 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoiGJMZjs0o#t=1m40s | May 21 02:07 |
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| they already have their act together | May 21 02:07 | |
| ThistleWeb | free speech is about saying "I may not agree with what you say, but I defend your right to say it".....even if that is "I want to use this app, which I either don't know / care about it's licenece and happens to be non-free" | May 21 02:07 |
| now we have to make sure the end of Microsoft is a victory for software freedom, not another non free software company | May 21 02:07 | |
| cubezzz | ThistleWeb, but people can be quite ignorant... we should at least point out alternatives | May 21 02:08 |
| cubezzz | everyone has 'free will' but.....you know :) | May 21 02:08 |
| ThistleWeb | cubezzz: I'm all for pointing out the alternatives | May 21 02:08 |
| people who don't have all of the information can not make informed choices or really consent | May 21 02:09 | |
| ThistleWeb | I'm all for selling FOSS as a better model | May 21 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/05/google-mrsa/ | May 21 02:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google Search Patterns Could Track MRSA Spread | Wired Science | Wired.com .::. Size~: 59.03 KB | May 21 02:09 |
| cubezzz | twitter, I have a local computer store that it's totally on-board with FOSS | May 21 02:09 |
| ThistleWeb | the point is that people should be free to choose for themselves | May 21 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | MRSA is a huge problem in hospitals around here | May 21 02:09 |
| cubezzz | I didn't see that back in the 90's | May 21 02:09 |
| cool, cubezzz | May 21 02:09 | |
| DaemonFC | there's no way to get rid of it but burn the building down | May 21 02:09 |
| cubezzz | and the guy there will sell blank computers no problem | May 21 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | I won't go to the hospital unless I'm about to die because there's people that go in there with a sprained ankle that come out with a MRSA infection | May 21 02:10 |
| cubezzz | so white box PCs or used laptops are not really a problem | May 21 02:10 |
| ThistleWeb | you win them over by making your FOSS product better than the non-free alternative, encourage people to choose that | May 21 02:12 |
| ThistleWeb | firefox isn't popular because it's free, it's popular because its good | May 21 02:12 |
| people can't make things better when they are being bought out or sued for software patent infringement | May 21 02:13 | |
| we need to stop Microsoft from harming our neighbors like that | May 21 02:13 | |
| ThistleWeb | people being sued for infringement? that's a new one, got some links? | May 21 02:13 |
| ThistleWeb | I thought they went after companies.....with money | May 21 02:13 |
| cubezzz | yeah | May 21 02:14 |
| there are a few instances of bogus lawsuits here http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/219107 | May 21 02:14 | |
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| cubezzz | I don't think the average joe is gettign sued, fortunately | May 21 02:14 |
| ;-) | May 21 02:14 | |
| ThistleWeb | wanna be specific | May 21 02:14 |
| Apple App developers are being sued, they are "average joe" | May 21 02:14 | |
| cubezzz | twitter, I think he means average users | May 21 02:14 |
| ThistleWeb | developers | May 21 02:15 |
| ThistleWeb | not users | May 21 02:15 |
| ThistleWeb | you claimed users were being sued for patent infringement | May 21 02:15 |
| but the other stuff is ... like overwhelming abuse of free software companies by judicial extortion. it nullifies the improvement you seek to sue developers | May 21 02:15 | |
| DaemonFC | right, and Apple is FUDding WebM while developers for Apple devices are being sued over developing for Apple devices | May 21 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | priceless | May 21 02:15 |
| cubezzz | no one is stopping a specific distro from being downloaded | May 21 02:15 |
| and I did not make that specific claim, thank you. | May 21 02:16 | |
| cubezzz | unless you're in Iraq or something | May 21 02:16 |
| but I will say that there's no difference between a "user" and a "developer" in the free software world. | May 21 02:16 | |
| ThistleWeb | <twitter> people can't make things better when they are being bought out or sued for software patent infringement | May 21 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora is the only major distribution that I think carries low risk of being deemed "infringing" on something or illegal to circulate | May 21 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | the rest have some major problem, Mono is a huge one | May 21 02:17 |
| why would you convert "people" to "user" or "developer" when they are simply people? | May 21 02:17 | |
| Microsoft sues people for patent infringement. | May 21 02:17 | |
| They threaten "users" too, if you would like to consider them distinct. | May 21 02:18 | |
| ThistleWeb | wow, I've been upgraded to a developer because I use and advocate FOSS | May 21 02:18 |
| ThistleWeb | whoohoo | May 21 02:18 |
| ThistleWeb | dya think I shoule learn to code now? | May 21 02:18 |
| you have the same rights they do | May 21 02:18 | |
| ThistleWeb | probably best eh? | May 21 02:18 |
| you should learn to code. | May 21 02:18 | |
| ThistleWeb | developers tend to code | May 21 02:18 |
| ThistleWeb | but hey, if I'm a developer already, why bother? | May 21 02:19 |
| ThistleWeb | I had thought I was just a user | May 21 02:19 |
| but you don't have to code to enjoy a free software market | May 21 02:19 | |
| cubezzz | you could hire someone to write code :) | May 21 02:19 |
| ThistleWeb | <twitter> but I will say that there's no difference between a "user" and a "developer" in the free software world. | May 21 02:19 |
| ThistleWeb | as I said, I can't code | May 21 02:19 |
| ThistleWeb | but by that logic, I'm already a dev | May 21 02:19 |
| you can, you just don't want to. | May 21 02:19 | |
| ;-) | May 21 02:19 | |
| ThistleWeb | of course I could, the point is that I'm not | May 21 02:20 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm just a user | May 21 02:20 |
| so am I | May 21 02:20 | |
| ThistleWeb | there is a difference | May 21 02:20 |
| but I can code | May 21 02:20 | |
| there's no difference | May 21 02:20 | |
| ThistleWeb | plenty of people use computers to do all sorts of things, not just code | May 21 02:20 |
| I have my freedom and so do you, if you don't run non free software | May 21 02:20 | |
| I think I see a problem. | May 21 02:22 | |
| nah, I'm wrong. | May 21 02:22 | |
| ThistleWeb | I'll happily use free if it's good enough for what I need, if non-free is the only way to do that function, I choose to either use non-free, or not do that function | May 21 02:23 |
| ThistleWeb | I'll happily advocate on those terms | May 21 02:23 |
| even people don't know how to code can make an informed decision if they are told the simple facts. | May 21 02:23 | |
| ThistleWeb | but I'm not going to sell FOSS with the false promises that it will do something if it won't......that's deception | May 21 02:23 |
| ThistleWeb | FOSS is NOT a simple concept | May 21 02:24 |
| who does that? | May 21 02:24 | |
| the power software owners have over your machine is a simple concept | May 21 02:24 | |
| ThistleWeb | it is after you understand it, but to grasp it, you have to go beyond the idea of "I bought this cd and installed it" into all sorts of philosophy, politics, socialogy etc to explain it | May 21 02:25 |
| ThistleWeb | ahh so they can turn it off while you're working? | May 21 02:25 |
| For instance, I have a non free BIOS. This puts my privacy and use of my machine at risk. | May 21 02:25 | |
| ThistleWeb | can they put your words backwards as you type? | May 21 02:25 |
| ThistleWeb | can they print out sales leaflets from your printer? | May 21 02:25 |
| ThistleWeb | what do you mean by "control" | May 21 02:26 |
| ThistleWeb | this is what I mean, it's not an easy one sentence soundbite to explain to people | May 21 02:26 |
| the owner of the BIOS could have installed a backdoor to log my keystrokes and retrieve the log without my consent or knowledge | May 21 02:26 | |
| ThistleWeb | it requires as lot of background, which crosses way beyond "it's a computer" | May 21 02:26 |
| the same thing can be said of any piece of non free software | May 21 02:26 | |
| ThistleWeb | a lot of the time people just don't care | May 21 02:26 |
| when you put non free software onto your computer, you give control of your computer to the software's owner. no one needs to code to understand that, but it helps. | May 21 02:27 | |
| ThistleWeb | showing firefox alongside IE is easy, they can see it's a better browser, you point out various features, they grasp that.....it's a comparision of 2 peices of software, one is better than the other | May 21 02:27 |
| cubezzz | I trust older BIOS | May 21 02:27 |
| cubezzz | I've seen the source code for some even | May 21 02:27 |
| so, perhaps ThistleWeb, you are incapable of real informed consent. | May 21 02:28 | |
| ThistleWeb | FOSS requires all sorts of philosophy, politics etc | May 21 02:28 |
| because I'm unable to explain how your computer can be used against you | May 21 02:28 | |
| cubezzz | the older the BIOS the more I trust it actually | May 21 02:28 |
| ThistleWeb | it is a mindset as well as code | May 21 02:28 |
| cubezzz | if you go back to 80's computers it's pretty safe :) | May 21 02:28 |
| ThistleWeb | twitter: I know this, my point is that it's not a simple concept for people who don't care | May 21 02:28 |
| people who don't care don't care, why would I talk to them? | May 21 02:29 | |
| they will use free software when Microsoft goes away | May 21 02:29 | |
| ThistleWeb | twitter: YOU don't. you just wanna speak on their behalf and deny them choice beacuse they're not fit to make their own minds up | May 21 02:29 |
| cubezzz | well we all have choices | May 21 02:30 |
| people who don't care don't exercise choice | May 21 02:30 | |
| cubezzz | sort of :) | May 21 02:30 |
| cubezzz | the choices are out there if you look for them | May 21 02:30 |
| but you want to allow people to take advantage of those people who don't know better because you don't care | May 21 02:30 | |
| ThistleWeb | again, punish those who take advantage | May 21 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft has a problem on their hands, free software has active momentum and their software only has inertia | May 21 02:31 |
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| yes, again you run in circles. | May 21 02:31 | |
| ThistleWeb | I give up, I've wasted hour on this | May 21 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | every version of Windows is selling less, there's a lot of companies who are skipping 2-3 upgrade cycles or switching off their products entirely | May 21 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | there's only so much book cooking they can do to cover this up | May 21 02:32 |
| You are not going to convince me that non free software is an informed choice or that Microsoft should be allowed to have the power they do. | May 21 02:32 | |
| ThistleWeb | windows xp is enough for many | May 21 02:32 |
| a damp cave is enough for some | May 21 02:32 | |
| ThistleWeb | they don't see the benefit of moving | May 21 02:32 |
| exactly | May 21 02:32 | |
| DaemonFC | businesses don't like upgrading software a lot | May 21 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of them are stuck on XP because their in house software won't run on anything newer | May 21 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 21 02:33 |
| ThistleWeb | it doesn't help that the recession has forced many to shelve upgrade plans | May 21 02:33 |
| ThistleWeb finds happiness in slavery. | May 21 02:33 | |
| ThistleWeb | well, doesn't help Microsoft | May 21 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | RHEL is a success because it guarantees a really long stable period and end of life support past that | May 21 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb, Businesses have never liked upgrading because it costs a lot of money just for the licenses, then they have to test compatibility and rewrite lots of things that no longer work | May 21 02:34 |
| ThistleWeb | Microsoft has all sorts of lockin tricks to force people to upgrade when they don't see any benefit in it | May 21 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb, Well, there's a lot of businesses still using Windows 2000 | May 21 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | even with no support | May 21 02:34 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah I see that too | May 21 02:35 |
| ThistleWeb | why replace a group of PCs that work fine for what they do, even if they are old | May 21 02:35 |
| ThistleWeb | if they work reliably enough, why waste money | May 21 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb, My dad was asking me the other day what he should use to be compatible with RHEL 4.x when he takes work home, and I asked him why anyone would still be using that | May 21 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | he said that the company has a lot of in house software that only runs on RHEL 4 and they're too damned cheap to fix it | May 21 02:37 |
| ThistleWeb | the only windows 7 I see are when they need to replace a dud PC with a new one, and it comes with windows 7 | May 21 02:37 |
| ThistleWeb | I don't see anyone upgrading to either vista or 7 | May 21 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | so the same problem is hitting RHEL users, only Red Hat continues to make money because you pay for a subscription no matter what version you're running | May 21 02:37 |
| and so, because the OS is bundled people have no choice but to "upgrade" | May 21 02:37 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft doesn't really have that | May 21 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | right, so the next trick is make sure Windows 7 doesn't work well with Windows 2000 | May 21 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | then you get them to buy an upgrade to SOMETHING even just for downgrade rights to XP | May 21 02:38 |
| ThistleWeb | office is a usual vector for that, new format that isn't included in older versions, can't install the new office on older windows | May 21 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | "Well gee, we're real sorry this isn't working for you. Why don't you buy Software Assurance and use XP?" | May 21 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 21 02:39 |
| ThistleWeb | with FOSS there's no financial reason not to stay up to date, new version? it's free (cost) | May 21 02:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @patrickDurusau: Writing software is harder than writing books http://bit.ly/iJyqQu #topicmaps #teaching #writing #programming | May 21 02:40 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Writing software is harder than writing books – Post « Another Word For It .::. Size~: 6.42 KB | May 21 02:40 |
| and so, the non free nature of Office defrauds the user. They can't install their old Office program on the new PC and the formats have changed under their feet anyway. but they don't care so we should not consider non free software immoral | May 21 02:40 | |
| it wall all a choice, right? | May 21 02:41 | |
| an informed and consenting agreement between adults | May 21 02:41 | |
| not something that sucks trillions of dollars out of the economy every year, it's FREEDOM to chose Windows. | May 21 02:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] Outcry leads to 200 bricks ordered, and reprehensible Nintendo response: http://www.defectivebydesign.org/200-bricks-Nintendo-response !dbd | May 21 02:43 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Outcry leads to 200 bricks ordered and reprehensible Nintendo response | DefectiveByDesign.org .::. Size~: 17.59 KB | May 21 02:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Education disease: my end-of-semester catharsis over American educational values http://wp.me/pT1St-7D #sex_math_programming #blog | May 21 02:52 | |
| so, I think I'll try out the Ubuntu desktop Unity. It's been about five years since I ran Ubuntu with any conviction. I'll stick 11.04 in a VM and see what I'd miss giving up X11. | May 21 02:52 | |
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| I'm thinking I'll miss SSH, X forwarding VNC and a host of other things. | May 21 02:52 | |
| but it might not be so bad for a PDA | May 21 02:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Microsoft Office alternatives: Adoption low, but interest and impact high, new study shows http://is.gd/c6Ws4Y | May 21 02:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Office alternatives: Adoption low, but interest and impact high, new study shows - GeekWire .::. Size~: 79.55 KB | May 21 02:53 |
| gah, you mean I don't have to pay $400 for a text editor? No way! That's Communism! | May 21 02:54 | |
| DaemonFC | but it's a very nice text editor | May 21 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | it's even 5 GB this year | May 21 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 21 03:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] i can smell dinner is ready :) | May 21 03:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] 5 Skype alternatives for Linux users http://is.gd/YFJ107 #gnu #linux #skype #microsoft #software | May 21 03:00 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 5 Skype alternatives for Linux users | ITworld .::. Size~: 120.71 KB | May 21 03:00 |
| 5 GB? Fantastic. There must be so many great features hidden in all of that? Can it read email and browse the web like emacs? | May 21 03:02 | |
| DaemonFC | It has Outlook | May 21 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | and you can use Internet Explorer | May 21 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 21 03:03 |
| wow, the freetards are doomed! | May 21 03:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Open Virtualization Alliance launched http://is.gd/h6mSKF #virtualization #kvm #vmware #software #datacenter | May 21 03:03 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Open Virtualization Alliance launched - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 41.06 KB | May 21 03:03 |
| that pluss Windows 7 must be about 25GB. The features boggle my mind | May 21 03:03 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter, IBM's fork of OOo uses IE as a built in web browser | May 21 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | you can use the IE-based browser in tabs alongside your other work | May 21 03:04 |
| nothing like reusing the code of your sworn enemy, how clever | May 21 03:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 is 17 GB | May 21 03:04 |
| nice, it's just like I thought | May 21 03:04 | |
| 17 GB worth of great features. does it still have a movie editor, or is that part of Excell now? | May 21 03:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.1 screenshots http://is.gd/bazKek #gnu #linux #redhat #software | May 21 03:05 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.1 Screenshots | Linux, BSD, Solaris & Other OS Screenshots | The Leader in Linux, BSD, Solaris & Other OS Screenshots | Screen Shots of Linux Distributions, BSD, Solaris & Other OSes | Linux, BSD, Solaris & Other OS Screenshot Gallery .::. Size~: 28.62 KB | May 21 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | actually, Vista was 18 GB | May 21 03:06 |
| I heard that the new Excel now has color coding of cells, just like File Maker from the mid 90s. | May 21 03:06 | |
| DaemonFC | the size reduction came in part by removing Windows Mail and Windows Movie Editor | May 21 03:06 |
| awwww | May 21 03:06 | |
| I suppose I have to download movie editor on it's lonesome. | May 21 03:07 | |
| is it as big as Office or do I have to pay lots of money for that kind of pro service? | May 21 03:07 | |
| .... goes Ubuntu. | May 21 03:08 | |
| ... | May 21 03:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The Perfect Desktop - Ubuntu Studio 11.04 http://is.gd/MOHW7X #gnu #linux #software #ubuntu #microsoft #windows | May 21 03:08 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Perfect Desktop - Ubuntu Studio 11.04 | HowtoForge - Linux Howtos and Tutorials .::. Size~: 52.84 KB | May 21 03:08 |
| . .. | May 21 03:08 | |
| DaemonFC | it's in Windows Live Essentials now | May 21 03:08 |
| .. . | May 21 03:08 | |
| DaemonFC | and it's FREE | May 21 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 21 03:08 |
| Essential, FREEE | May 21 03:09 | |
| Can I share it with my friends or is it NON TRANSFERABLE, major restriction FREE? | May 21 03:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] via @rms Israel blocked ship Spirit of Rachel Corrie from delivering sewage pipe to #Gaza by attacking with artillery <http://ur1.ca/48k2c> | May 21 03:10 | |
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| ... | May 21 03:10 | |
| .... pop there's a desktop | May 21 03:10 | |
| kind of nice | May 21 03:11 | |
| I like colors | May 21 03:11 | |
| spectral rainbow on purple, no focus, 1024x768 | May 21 03:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] MeeGo 1.2 Released http://is.gd/rfQVIF #gnu #linux #mobile #meego #telecom | May 21 03:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] via @rms Women and children made up most of the casualties <http://ur1.ca/48k2q> of US air raids and shelling in #Iraq | May 21 03:12 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: MeeGo 1.2 Released | Muktware .::. Size~: 34.84 KB | May 21 03:12 |
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| pretty. | May 21 03:12 | |
| burning lots of CPU | May 21 03:12 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter, You can use Windows Live Skydrive which only deletes some of your files sometimes, and could give the rest to the feds with no warrant (read the EULA) :) | May 21 03:12 |
| and no warranty | May 21 03:12 | |
| DaemonFC | none whatsoever! :D | May 21 03:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] via @rms •Natural gas drilling in the US is destroying archaeological sites <http://ur1.ca/48k2w> as well as water supplies. | May 21 03:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] via @rms #Bahrain is torturing doctors and nurses <http://ur1.ca/47yoo> because they saw injuries of protesters brought to hospital | May 21 03:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | twitter, Would you like to switch your search engine to Bing (Yes|Yes Mr. Ballmer sir DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!) | May 21 03:14 |
| "Ubuntu uses third-party software to display Flash MP3 and other media and to work some wireless hardware. Some of this software is closed-source. The software is subject ...." and it asks me to install that crap. Fluendo MP3 plugin from Fraunhofer ... no thanks. | May 21 03:15 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter, Would you like to install Silverlight? (Yes|Tough shit, we're doing it anyway) | May 21 03:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] via @rms Iraqi hero Zaidi preaches nonviolence and has set up a foundation to investigate US occupation of <http://ur1.ca/48k31> #Iraq | May 21 03:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: ur1 Generator .::. Size~: 2.26 KB | May 21 03:15 |
| Debian does not need that and works fine. Why would I get that DRM laced trash with Ubuntu? ... | May 21 03:15 | |
| Oh yeah, Windows 7. I'm surprised they asked instead of just pushing everything as usual. | May 21 03:15 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter, Because Ubuntu pays the MPEG cartel and advertises their garbage. | May 21 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | Errr, I mean, because jono bacon is a demigod, sent by Cthulu Shuttleworth! | May 21 03:16 |
| That seems to be true. Let's Daemonize them! | May 21 03:16 | |
| but Windows is OK, right Thistleweb? | May 21 03:17 | |
| nice world clock | May 21 03:17 | |
| I see Soviet republics! | May 21 03:17 | |
| Ubuntu must be Communist! | May 21 03:17 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter, The MP3 codec from Fluendo is techichally free software. The source is BSD-licensed, but if you compile it yourself you have no patent license. You must take their nonfree binary to get the patent license. That's what Ubuntu offers you. | May 21 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | And it only works with GStreamer | May 21 03:18 |
| I'm glad to have a license for something I don't believe in. | May 21 03:19 | |
| DaemonFC | and it only uses fixed point math, completely bypassing the advantage of the floating point unit found on just about every processor since the 90s | May 21 03:19 |
| If I don't download that crap, does Ubuntu not play mp3? | May 21 03:20 | |
| DaemonFC | You can install gstreamer-plugins-ugly-multiverse and get the free software MP3 decoder | May 21 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | but you get no ZOMGPATENTLICENSEWTFBBQ!!!! | May 21 03:21 |
| I manage to play mp3 on debian without a license, I wonder why Ubuntu thinks they need a license. it must have something to do with distributing software in a stupid place like the USA | May 21 03:22 | |
| ohh animals | May 21 03:22 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter, I use the free software plugin because it's technically superior, because it's free software, because a lot of people only use MP3 (I don't keep any in my music library though), and I do not recognize their patent | May 21 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | my government unfortunately does, fuck them | May 21 03:22 |
| I don't think anyone can recognize anything from a patent other than extortion income | May 21 03:23 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter, My dad used to be an equipment designer at Thomson, the company who controls MP3 licensing in the US | May 21 03:23 |
| Florian talks about publishing as if people could recognize their inventions in patents. | May 21 03:23 | |
| DaemonFC | he didn't work in that division, but they are so far up Microsoft's ass it's not even funny | May 21 03:23 |
| I'm sorry to hear that. It must smell. | May 21 03:23 | |
| DaemonFC | he hasn't worked for them since they fired all of their US employees and sent production to China and Mexico | May 21 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | he was one of the 7,000 Americans they fired | May 21 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | I won't buy anything that says RCA or Proscan | May 21 03:24 |
| I suppose that's what Microsoft does with things in their ass. | May 21 03:25 | |
| sorry to hear it | May 21 03:25 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter, Thomson is a patent troll and they don't have any actual products | May 21 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | they just farm it all out and put their logo on it | May 21 03:26 |
| sounds like most US brand names | May 21 03:26 | |
| DaemonFC | more or less | May 21 03:26 |
| HP, Dell, Apple. | May 21 03:26 | |
| DaemonFC | Walmart put me out of a job and then I went to work for them for a while | May 21 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | ironic | May 21 03:26 |
| Great INNOVATIONS in sell out. | May 21 03:26 | |
| DaemonFC | you do whatever you have to to pay the bills I guess | May 21 03:27 |
| You worked for Thomson? | May 21 03:27 | |
| DaemonFC | no | May 21 03:27 |
| who? | May 21 03:27 | |
| DaemonFC | I worked for a manufacturer who actually made stuff in the US | May 21 03:27 |
| wow, who? | May 21 03:27 | |
| DaemonFC | Walmart's buyers said to outsource it all to China or they wouldn't buy anything | May 21 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | so everyone that worked there was fired | May 21 03:28 |
| ah | May 21 03:28 | |
| so it does not matter who, they gone | May 21 03:28 | |
| DaemonFC | right | May 21 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | they march in and tell the company to fire everyone | May 21 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | then once the company does, Walmart takes the product specs straight to the suppliers in China | May 21 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | slap a different brand name on it | May 21 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | and destroy the rest of the supplier they told to outsource | May 21 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | so now the company doesn't even exist | May 21 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 21 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | and the greedy fucking CEO is out of a job | May 21 03:30 |
| he would have been out anyway, but that's nasty | May 21 03:30 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter, If he had been smart, he would have turned Walmart away and kept selling to the current customers | May 21 03:31 |
| generally, walmart is the customer | May 21 03:31 | |
| DaemonFC | but he put so much effort into pleasing Walmart that he didn't even control his own supply line anymore | May 21 03:31 |
| they put everyone else out of business already | May 21 03:31 | |
| DaemonFC | they set him up to be knocked down | May 21 03:31 |
| right | May 21 03:31 | |
| DaemonFC | he was profitable, he just figured he's make more and have no operating expense | May 21 03:32 |
| I've seen where a guy confessed to knocking out all the shops in small towns. They would drive down main street and say, "none of these places will be here in two years" | May 21 03:32 | |
| DaemonFC | but anyone can make those widgets and his brand name is not a selling point | May 21 03:32 |
| so, the Walmart supplier ends up with a sole customer | May 21 03:32 | |
| DaemonFC | so there was no need for him, they used him to get rid of himself | May 21 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | and hurt their competitors who carried his product | May 21 03:32 |
| yes, that's what consolidation does to you and why everything in Walmart is from China | May 21 03:33 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, a lot of his customers said they only wanted to buy something made in the USA | May 21 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | so he had reliable customers | May 21 03:33 |
| oh, that's different | May 21 03:33 | |
| too bad he sold out | May 21 03:33 | |
| DaemonFC | yes it is | May 21 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | our products were superior to the Chinese ones | May 21 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | the return rate for the Chinese knock off was over 300% higher last I checked | May 21 03:34 |
| there's a point in all of this where there's nothing left for people to do, so you can't just "do what you have to" | May 21 03:34 | |
| margins on the opening boxes from china business are rather slim | May 21 03:35 | |
| DaemonFC | Everything Walmart sells is fall apart crap made in some third world country | May 21 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | by a slave | May 21 03:35 |
| and there's not much of an economy in selling imported crap to each other | May 21 03:35 | |
| DaemonFC | could explain the failure rates compared to the stuff I made | May 21 03:35 |
| thankfully, I don't need much stuff in my life | May 21 03:35 | |
| DaemonFC | Walmart is a parasite to the US economy | May 21 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | and the economy of every country they do business in | May 21 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | and to the quality of life for the average worker in every country they do business in | May 21 03:36 |
| devastator of economy | May 21 03:36 | |
| nuked | May 21 03:36 | |
| ubuntu is still installing | May 21 03:39 | |
| way slower than mepis | May 21 03:39 | |
| "Installing system" It just started? oh my | May 21 03:46 | |
| I don't think Squeeze takes this long. | May 21 03:46 | |
| over the network | May 21 03:47 | |
| this is off a CD, it should be way faster | May 21 03:47 | |
| this is kind of what I remember Ubuntu being like. Easy, pretty but slow. It was also buggy. I'll see how things go this time. | May 21 03:49 | |
| it has not asked me any scary questions so far | May 21 03:49 | |
| the keyboard detection can use some work | May 21 03:49 | |
| it was not obvious that it had figured out my very plain keyboard and the detection routine goes through every foreign language | May 21 03:50 | |
| ohhh, it's done | May 21 03:51 | |
| 7:10 to 7:55 45 minutes | May 21 03:51 | |
| a little slow for a CD based install but OK. | May 21 03:51 | |
| now to see the true glory of mono and Bansheeeeeeee! | May 21 03:51 | |
| drum roll as I start the system, please | May 21 03:53 | |
| I wonder if they learned the value of suspense from Microsoft | May 21 03:53 | |
| oh, there's a desktop | May 21 03:56 | |
| I'd say it was X11 but it's not, right? | May 21 03:56 | |
| Oh snap! "It seems that you do not have the hardware required to run Unity. Please chose Ubuntu Classic at the login screen .... " | May 21 03:58 | |
| Way bogus | May 21 03:58 | |
| what a dissapointment | May 21 03:58 | |
| OK, it fails gracefully enough | May 21 03:59 | |
| I'll try to fix this by turning on graphics acceleration | May 21 03:59 | |
| shutdown was fast at least | May 21 04:00 | |
| 2D acceleration is Windows only. that's weird | May 21 04:01 | |
| here we go again | May 21 04:01 | |
| cubezzz | sounds like you're going over to the dark side :) | May 21 04:02 |
| trying Ubuntu | May 21 04:02 | |
| not quite dark but not exactly FSF either | May 21 04:03 | |
| and it shows | May 21 04:03 | |
| non free software shoved down the user's throat at install. | May 21 04:03 | |
| DaemonFC | "We borrowed consciously from crApple and Windows 7" Gee, almost pixel perfect too, blecth! | May 21 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 21 04:04 |
| Borrowed Flash and non free drivers | May 21 04:04 | |
| LOL, Unity looks like a step backwards | May 21 04:05 | |
| the last time I logged in, I got pretty black bars. This time, it looks like XFCE or gtk | May 21 04:05 | |
| grey bars | May 21 04:05 | |
| wtheck? | May 21 04:05 | |
| reboot with 3d acceleration turned on went straight to ugly | May 21 04:06 | |
| cubezzz | I need a bigger desk | May 21 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | Unity is ugly, half the screen is a Mac clone and the other half is a Windows 7 clone, you'd hardly even remember what operating system you have aside from the fact that the menus are sprawled out everywhere and don't work right | May 21 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | The whole thing screams "Not designed by user interface experts, and maybe not even by humans" | May 21 04:08 |
| no, this looked like a Gnome desktop from 1998 | May 21 04:08 | |
| I see that when I click my name, I get to chose "Ubuntu" "Ubuntu Classic" ... etc | May 21 04:09 | |
| DaemonFC | Unity is the GUI equivalent of throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks | May 21 04:09 |
| here it comes again | May 21 04:09 | |
| let's see | May 21 04:09 | |
| Unbelievable | May 21 04:09 | |
| this is what they hype? | May 21 04:10 | |
| I have to download themes? | May 21 04:11 | |
| cool top shows "rtk-demon" I like root kits | May 21 04:12 | |
| it's running Xorg | May 21 04:12 | |
| looks rather standard | May 21 04:13 | |
| I'll have to look up some more. | May 21 04:15 | |
| ah yes, that ultra annoying gnome thing where double clicking on the bar does not shade, it maximizes .... | May 21 04:15 | |
| firefox has pride of placement | May 21 04:16 | |
| this desk does not look like screenshots of unity | May 21 04:16 | |
| At least they kept google | May 21 04:16 | |
| nice font rendering, but I have that already | May 21 04:17 | |
| I'm afraid the stupid thing said, "no unity for you bud" and now won't go back | May 21 04:17 | |
| looks like you can't run unity with Virtual box. how lame is that? | May 21 04:20 | |
| E16 does compositing in Virtual box, with or without acceleration | May 21 04:20 | |
| I think both KDE and Gnome work in Virtual box as well | May 21 04:21 | |
| oh gee, it might only work with non free software acceleration | May 21 04:23 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter, the latest kernel and Mesa git stack will run any compositor fine on even newish hardware like mine | May 21 04:24 |
| that all runs fine for my host but does not seem to transfer to Virtual Box 3.x | May 21 04:25 | |
| how I hate sudo | May 21 04:26 | |
| looks like I have to install guest additions, but it looked like those were already installed ... | May 21 04:27 | |
| and it might only work for VB 4.x | May 21 04:27 | |
| you also have to kill the gnome-settings daemon to get rid of the "windows 95-ish" theme | May 21 04:29 | |
| ah those gnome pranksters, slipping windows 95 onto the newbies | May 21 04:29 | |
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| "building initial module for 2.6.38-8-generic" bleeding edge and slow... | May 21 04:32 | |
| *ThistleWeb has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) | May 21 04:34 | |
| still burning up my processor | May 21 04:37 | |
| not finished making the module | May 21 04:37 | |
| sheesh! | May 21 04:37 | |
| can't they just install the module with .... done! | May 21 04:38 | |
| it is still trying to install | May 21 04:38 | |
| depmod, nothing scary there for the newbie! | May 21 04:39 | |
| DaemonFC | FAIL!!!!!!! | May 21 04:42 |
| looks like it did it | May 21 04:45 | |
| shutdown -r now! | May 21 04:45 | |
| chudder, chudder bang | May 21 04:46 | |
| here we go again! | May 21 04:46 | |
| at 1:45 minutes now | May 21 04:46 | |
| but I did do a little work | May 21 04:46 | |
| errr, do it boot now? | May 21 04:47 | |
| Virtual box is consuming an entire cpu ... it lives | May 21 04:48 | |
| I have to compare this to a Lenny instance I'm running without problem | May 21 04:49 | |
| Oh idiot shit. the Guest additions are different for Ubuntu, it did not check the host version! | May 21 04:50 | |
| 3d acceleration is failed. | May 21 04:50 | |
| I have not had this much trouble since I last fooled with Windows. | May 21 04:51 | |
| the warning message does not indicate which version of guest additions I need. that sucks | May 21 04:51 | |
| and I get the insulting windows 95 desktop | May 21 04:52 | |
| Debian's default actually looks nicer | May 21 04:52 | |
| the screen resized nicely but no accelerated love | May 21 04:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] @fabsh Same thing happens in Australia, except im never proud of my country. :) | May 21 04:53 | |
| killing the settings daemon did not make things look better. | May 21 04:55 | |
| top | May 21 04:55 | |
| heh, wrong terminal | May 21 04:55 | |
| I don't see the correct version of virtual box guest additions needed and the one from Debian probably won't work with my kernel | May 21 04:58 | |
| nope debians got 3.2.10 | May 21 04:59 | |
| ubuntu's got 4.0.4 | May 21 05:00 | |
| nopers, not going to work. | May 21 05:00 | |
| that about wraps Ubuntu up for me | May 21 05:00 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter, Do you love Unity? | May 21 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | In Soviet Russia, Unity loves you | May 21 05:01 |
| I don't know, I was not able to see it. | May 21 05:01 | |
| I was hoping to see the fab new X11 replacement and Unity. I got a drab, mono polluted, gnome desktop. | May 21 05:02 | |
| with an extra windows 95 insult, so it was not even as nice as Ubuntu wants to be. | May 21 05:02 | |
| DaemonFC | by Windows 95 you mean GNOME? | May 21 05:03 |
| Mepis installs faster and works better. | May 21 05:03 | |
| Gnome flipped out and slung a "Windows 95-ish" them on me when unity did not work. | May 21 05:03 | |
| DaemonFC | I'm fairly sure Windows 95 didn't have a compositing window manager | May 21 05:03 |
| I'm not sure I had one either | May 21 05:04 | |
| it's gnome with an ugly theme | May 21 05:04 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, GNOME was better when it wasn't dumbed down | May 21 05:04 |
| much like the default theme debian ships with but I think debian is a just a little nicer | May 21 05:04 | |
| DaemonFC | it's sad that they would do this shit (GNOME 3/Unity) just to snipe a few knuckle dragging Vista7 users | May 21 05:05 |
| Gnome has always annoyed me. I wanted to see what the fuss about unity was. | May 21 05:05 | |
| basically two hours down the drain. | May 21 05:05 | |
| telling thistleweb to value freedom was more productive | May 21 05:05 | |
| DaemonFC | But don't you want Unity to bomb out and send you to the much superior GNOME 2? | May 21 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 21 05:06 |
| I wanted to see Unity. it did not work, so I don't recommend other debian users try it. .... Oh a perverse idea.... nah it would not work. | May 21 05:06 | |
| gn | May 21 05:07 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter, Not much to see unless you like a crashy OSX/Vista7 ripoff with lots of Mono | May 21 05:07 |
| cairo dock is nice | May 21 05:07 | |
| I wonder why they did not go that way | May 21 05:08 | |
| DaemonFC | There's several docks that are much better | May 21 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | such as Avant Window Navigator | May 21 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | I used AWN all the time when I used GNOME 2 | May 21 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | especially with Ubuntu because it was an easy way to get around Indicator Crapplet | May 21 05:09 |
| gnome still bothers me, it's always a bit buggier than KDE is, though KDE 4 may have changed that ... they tried to come together, what a bad idea. | May 21 05:09 | |
| DaemonFC | KDE is much better than anything GNOME or Ubuntu have come up with | May 21 05:09 |
| cubezzz | KDE for me too | May 21 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu insists on using inferior toolkits and programming languages | May 21 05:10 |
| I'm still on E16 ... | May 21 05:10 | |
| cubezzz | you know what i'm going to say next though :) | May 21 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | and half-competent software developers | May 21 05:10 |
| no? | May 21 05:10 | |
| cubezzz | 3.5.10 | May 21 05:10 |
| har har | May 21 05:10 | |
| cubezzz | cha-cha-cha | May 21 05:10 |
| 3.5 seems more stable, so I'm running them both. | May 21 05:10 | |
| I've got a lenny VM and I X forwarded it to the host | May 21 05:11 | |
| got my nice little kicker back | May 21 05:11 | |
| DaemonFC | you know Trinity works on Debian | May 21 05:11 |
| cubezzz | I still have one machine running BL3 and I forget what.... | May 21 05:11 |
| cubezzz | yeah | May 21 05:11 |
| it sucked up all the systray icons | May 21 05:11 | |
| consumes about 7% of one processor | May 21 05:12 | |
| and works well with both E16 and KDE 4 on the host. | May 21 05:12 | |
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| cubezzz | I like parts of KDE 4+ | May 21 05:13 |
| GoForbes28 | are we dead yet? | May 21 05:13 |
| cubezzz | e.g. kcharselect is better | May 21 05:13 |
| the kde 4 krandrtray icon, for example, sits right at home on the kicker | May 21 05:13 | |
| and the Kde 4 version seems to work well. | May 21 05:13 | |
| I'm not all sold on Kontact for KDE 4 yet. It's got great features but Akondai screws up my address books. I have not figured this out yet. | May 21 05:14 | |
| I've read that multiple addressbooks in KDE 4 are buggy and they seem to be. | May 21 05:15 | |
| GoForbes28 | i find the kde4 setups in mepis and aptosid to be the best | May 21 05:15 |
| cubezzz | that stuff can be in ASCII | May 21 05:15 |
| things might work better for people who have always used the default address book | May 21 05:15 | |
| cubezzz | then you can just use ncurses programs... | May 21 05:15 |
| GoForbes28 | they try to make it look more like KDE3 with enhancements | May 21 05:15 |
| cubezzz | it's not like your address book is _that_ big | May 21 05:16 |
| cubezzz | vim for the win | May 21 05:16 |
| well, the whole KDE PIM thing was a nice piece of work | May 21 05:16 | |
| auto complete for email, complete with encryption settings per contact, auto grab from the IM program, display of people's images in email headers - very first rate integration. | May 21 05:17 | |
| KDE 4 has regression issues still. | May 21 05:17 | |
| cubezzz | see, all my data is ASCII | May 21 05:17 |
| cubezzz | so text based is used as much as possible | May 21 05:17 |
| plasma stuff works great, it all scales fast and realtime. | May 21 05:17 | |
| cubezzz | well maybe not all but... most of it | May 21 05:18 |
| I like asci myself, that's why I've been using vcf and ics. | May 21 05:18 | |
| images are mime types | May 21 05:18 | |
| the markup is readable | May 21 05:18 | |
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| and you can fix screw ups with ordinary text editors .... it's just that there were few screw ups in KDE 3.5 | May 21 05:19 | |
| oh well, I've got to get some sleep. gn | May 21 05:19 | |
| cubezzz | twitter, retro as I am, you would not believe how retro some people are | May 21 05:19 |
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| cubezzz | er, ummm | May 21 05:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] "We want information to be free when the people who have created the content want it to be free"—CC's @fauxbrizio http://on.wsj.com/mL7J69 | May 21 06:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Tell Congress: Don't give unchecked power to wage war without end to future presidents. http://bit.ly/kvPgdf | May 21 06:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Reid Fleming: The World's Toughest Milkman - the movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poUN_8u3hSo | May 21 07:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @creativecommons "We want information to be free when the people who have created the content want it to be free"—CC's @fauxbrizio ht ... | May 21 07:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Jeff Bridges has a pretty cool blog. I love his weird still photo camera. http://www.jeffbridges.com/ | May 21 08:08 | |
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| schestowitz | " | May 21 08:45 |
| schestowitz | [PJ: Puh lease. This is FUD of the first order, and I wonder who is behind it. The "malware" is a trojan that you have to be incredibly naive to agree to give your password to and then deliberately install on your system and give your credit card to. Even my mom knows better than that. A few might have been duped, but it's nothing like a world panic. How many cases have you heard of? 42? Dozens? And that's by people trying to find them | May 21 08:45 |
| schestowitz | all. | May 21 08:45 |
| schestowitz | Just don't say yes if something pops up on your screen unexpectedly and asks you to install something. And uncheck, if you use Safari, in Preferences the box about opening files after downloading them. I suspect this FUD story is being manufactured and spread aggressively so Microsoft doesn't look so bad. It was just reported that 1 in 14 downloads on Windows is malware, so this Mac incident is absolutely tiny in comparison, but look | May 21 08:45 |
| schestowitz | at the headlines. Whatever. Here's how to remove this trojan if you were careless enough to install it. It's easy. And next time be more careful. I mean you journalists, actually, also. Trojans are not viruses, so all the screaming about needing anti-virus software on a Mac is a bit off topic, in that nothing can protect you from your own stupidity, not to mention that the 1 in 14 statistic shows about how useful antivirus apps are. | May 21 08:45 |
| schestowitz | And just so you know, there is a firewall built into Mac OSX. I see some have written that it lacks that, but it doesn't. Do people still check before they write? It just shouldn't be this easy to spread FUD.] - | May 21 08:45 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #IBM launches #Hadoop -based analytics software, big data services http://is.gd/zO8KJf #saas | May 21 08:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Happy Rapture everyone. http://www.reddit.com/tb/hfmsw Is the world over yet? | May 21 08:55 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Happy Rapture Day Eve Reddit! I couldn't find an appropriate image, so I had to make one. via reddit.com .::. Size~: 1.69 KB | May 21 08:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Zuckerberg: Kids under 13 should be allowed on #Facebook http://is.gd/2AYGXD should one trust him? http://is.gd/yKkure | May 21 09:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Twitter users and the courts go to war over footballer's injunction - http://bit.ly/mj2eqa never a dull moment on #twitter #freespeech | May 21 09:03 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Zuckerberg: Kids under 13 should be allowed on Facebook - Big Tech - Fortune Tech .::. Size~: 51.12 KB | May 21 09:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Facebook Mark Zuckerberg Called Facebook Users Dumb Fucks — Aurum3 NewTech : New Technology, Games and Gadget Guide .::. Size~: 38.54 KB | May 21 09:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter users and the courts go to war over footballer's injunction | Technology | The Guardian .::. Size~: 105.02 KB | May 21 09:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Comcast Pulls Its Sponsorship For Reel Grrls Over A Tweet, Learns How Not To Do #PR - http://bit.ly/iyGaiW classic missteps | May 21 09:05 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Comcast Pulls Its Sponsorship For Reel Grrls Over A Tweet, Learns How Not To Do PR | Techdirt .::. Size~: 73.21 KB | May 21 09:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Peter #Greenaway Interview - http://bit.ly/mPlD8Y fascinating stuff from original, if slightly bonkers, thinker #machinama #cinema | May 21 09:08 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The University of Western Australia in Second Life: Peter Greenaway Interview following review of entries to MachinimUWA III: Journeys .::. Size~: 110.54 KB | May 21 09:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MTM Snap: A snap-together #Arduino-powered desktop CNC milling machine - http://bit.ly/izNtM2 more amazing #openhardware | May 21 09:11 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Arduino Blog » Blog Archive » MTM Snap: A snap-together Arduino-powered desktop CNC milling machine. .::. Size~: 32.71 KB | May 21 09:11 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: hmm maybe should have said that here in a way, well the dents come in here | May 21 09:13 |
| nisshh | hehe | May 21 09:13 |
| sebsebseb | how I unsubscribed from the Ubuntu group on Identica afer we talke about it :) | May 21 09:13 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: my time line should look much better now :) | May 21 09:13 |
| nisshh | yeah | May 21 09:13 |
| sebsebseb | os much rubbish they dent about to that group | May 21 09:14 |
| nisshh | heh' | May 21 09:14 |
| nisshh | ill bbl, ive gotta go out for a while | May 21 09:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Bolo / orona: Multiplayer websockets tank warfare game powered by Node.js http://is.gd/K5kG2G Demo: http://is.gd/Rl3qvL | May 21 09:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: orona: Multiplayer websockets tank warfare game powered by Node.js - The Changelog - Open Source moves fast. Keep up. .::. Size~: 22.12 KB | May 21 09:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bolo .::. Size~: 0.35 KB | May 21 09:15 |
| sebsebseb | ,but LinuxOutlaws is like that as well really hmm, so yeah I might unsubscribe from that eventually as wel: http://identi.ca/conversation/71588661 | May 21 09:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 18.38 KB | May 21 09:15 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: ^ | May 21 09:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #WordPress: The Free Software With a Big Economy & How You Can Get Involved - http://tnw.co/kUDha1 good intro to key project | May 21 09:16 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: WordPress: The Free Software With a Big Economy & How You Can Get Involved - TNW Design & Dev .::. Size~: 94.73 KB | May 21 09:16 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: been in the group for quite a while on there, but as far as I know I haven't even listended to one yet | May 21 09:18 |
| sebsebseb | when it comes to audiocasts, Techbytes is enough for me for now really, but I know there will be Linuxoutlaws episodes of interst to me as well, but can listen to that later on some time anyway | May 21 09:19 |
| sebsebseb | normally I would rather have it quite wilst on the computer, or listen to music whilst on it :) | May 21 09:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Fedora at Agora's Open Source / Free Software conference http://is.gd/bok0SE Fedora 15 Boosts #Linux Security http://is.gd/oLld1u | May 21 09:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #GM food toxins found in the blood of 93% of unborn babies - http://bit.ly/m9PrCm #dailymail, but merits further investigation | May 21 09:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: nicu - a window to my sucky life: Fedora at Agora's Open Source / Free Software conference .::. Size~: 106.42 KB | May 21 09:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Fedora 15 Boosts Linux Security - www.esecurityplanet.com .::. Size~: 56.21 KB | May 21 09:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: GM food toxins found in the blood of 93% of unborn babies | Mail Online .::. Size~: 97.89 KB | May 21 09:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] We Are Spending More Money With #Amazon - http://bit.ly/mSZhcB ain't that the truth | May 21 09:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @kletskous Piraten maken van boek een bestseller nog voor het uit is - http://is.gd/v2KJES #gothefucktosleep | May 21 09:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: We Are Spending More Money With Amazon: Tech News and Analysis « .::. Size~: 66.38 KB | May 21 09:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Kinderboek ‘Go the Fuck to Sleep’ groot succes « Nieuwsblog nrc.next .::. Size~: 38.09 KB | May 21 09:23 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Oh so ThisleWeb / Gordon has quit TechBytes? http://identi.ca/notice/73914895 | May 21 09:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Gordon Sinclair (thistleweb)'s status on Friday, 20-May-11 02:53:51 UTC - Identi.ca: I am no longer part of !TechBytes. I wish Roy & Tim every success with the show | May 21 09:24 |
| sebsebseb | well if that's the case, maybe can get Rusty or someone like that, to replace him? | May 21 09:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @quimgil: RT @timsamoff: Welcome to #MeeGoConf San Francisco! http://twitpic.com/50a1tv | May 21 09:25 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Welcome to #MeeGoConf San Francisco! on Twitpic .::. Size~: 13.52 KB | May 21 09:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Humble Frozenbyte Bundle Reviewed http://is.gd/5a2HyI "Personally, I think this is the best bundle so far" | May 21 09:26 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Humble Frozenbyte Bundle Reviewed .::. Size~: 22.97 KB | May 21 09:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Nanolaw with Daughter - http://bit.ly/m1o3ts fine piece of writing, bursting with provocative ideas: recommended | May 21 09:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Kubuntu 11.10 Mobile Devices Sneak Peak http://is.gd/hpbgoc plasma-netbook is very nice | May 21 09:30 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Nanolaw with Daughter (Ftrain.com) .::. Size~: 35.65 KB | May 21 09:30 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Malcolm Gladwell Discovers That Innovation & Invention Are Not The Same - http://bit.ly/iiit1J fails to draw right conclusion about patents | May 21 09:33 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Malcolm Gladwell Discovers That Innovation And Invention Are Not The Same | Techdirt .::. Size~: 41.45 KB | May 21 09:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #OLPC Will Remain a Non-Profit http://is.gd/tMyNgK they have changed the world by introducing low-cost devices w/ #gnu #linux on them | May 21 09:35 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: OLPC Will Remain a Non-Profit | One Laptop per Child .::. Size~: 30.09 KB | May 21 09:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Congress probes FCC Commissioner's departure to Comcast - http://bit.ly/jDNSHL at least... | May 21 09:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Satellites Spot Illegal #Logging of Uncontacted Tribes’ Home - http://bit.ly/iloJMI depressing tale of greed observed | May 21 09:40 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Satellites Spot Illegal Logging of Uncontacted Tribes’ Home | Wired Science | Wired.com .::. Size~: 58.8 KB | May 21 09:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Today is the big day! My home team is battling Schalke in the DFB Pokal final! Zebrastreifen weiss und blau!! | May 21 09:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Don't miss the new #Minecraft show I launched last night: Bunch of Creepers 1 - Do the Dirt Thing http://outl.ws/17 | May 21 09:46 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Bunch of Creepers 1 - Do the Dirt Thing .::. Size~: 101.69 KB | May 21 09:46 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/05/20/zuckerberg-kids-under-13-should-be-allowed-on-facebook | May 21 09:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Zuckerberg: Kids under 13 should be allowed on Facebook - Big Tech - Fortune Tech .::. Size~: 51.57 KB | May 21 09:47 |
| sebsebseb | http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/05/20/zuckerberg-kids-under-13-should-be-allowed-on-facebook | May 21 09:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Zuckerberg: Kids under 13 should be allowed on Facebook - Big Tech - Fortune Tech .::. Size~: 51.57 KB | May 21 09:47 |
| sebsebseb | the comments is wehre things get interesting | May 21 09:47 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: ^ your link | May 21 09:47 |
| oiaohm | Just like the smoking industry. | May 21 09:47 |
| oiaohm | Get them young get them hooked. | May 21 09:47 |
| sebsebseb | Facebook is a horrible thing really | May 21 09:47 |
| sebsebseb | for many of us | May 21 09:47 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yet many of the "mainstreame consumers (also known as idiots by companies really)" like it so much | May 21 09:48 |
| oiaohm | And under 13 mostly not mature enought to under stand what loss of copyright means. | May 21 09:48 |
| sebsebseb | yeah have you noticed that, if a company calls us consumers, they seem to mean idiot really? | May 21 09:48 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the company. | May 21 09:48 |
| sebsebseb | uh loss of copyright you say, the average Facebook user won't even think of stuff like that, whatever age they are | May 21 09:48 |
| sebsebseb | they will just go and use Facebook, because their "friends" are using it | May 21 09:49 |
| sebsebseb | and that's that | May 21 09:49 |
| sebsebseb | or friends and family even | May 21 09:49 |
| sebsebseb | and work colegeages even | May 21 09:49 |
| oiaohm | Exactly. | May 21 09:49 |
| oiaohm | But the older the person is the more likely they will think about copyright. | May 21 09:49 |
| sebsebseb | and they think they own all the content they put on Facebook as well | May 21 09:49 |
| oiaohm | Under 13 its will be just because my friends are there. | May 21 09:49 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: indeed | May 21 09:50 |
| sebsebseb | and well many under 13's are already using Facebook, because their friends are | May 21 09:50 |
| oiaohm | And facebook realy does not try to weed them out either. | May 21 09:50 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: in fact I have made it clear to my little brother for example, that he isn't meant to have one untill he is 13, however well loads of the under 13's get Facebook when they start secondary school | May 21 09:51 |
| oiaohm | Its more offocially we don't allow under 13. | May 21 09:51 |
| sebsebseb | watched a Panorama about that even before | May 21 09:51 |
| sebsebseb | BBC Panormaa documentary about things that are going on | May 21 09:51 |
| sebsebseb | pretty good at times, depends what it is about | May 21 09:51 |
| sebsebseb | I Find | May 21 09:51 |
| sebsebseb | Panorama | May 21 09:51 |
| oiaohm | Really I want to see the day that someone publishes a hit song on facebook | May 21 09:52 |
| oiaohm | and facebook on sells it. | May 21 09:52 |
| oiaohm | Since due to the licensing of facebook they could. | May 21 09:52 |
| sebsebseb | Facebook is a for profit company, they want more users, to make money out of them, simple as that really | May 21 09:52 |
| sebsebseb | they don't really care about their users properly, same thing for Microsoft and Apple | May 21 09:52 |
| sebsebseb | and Google to an extent I guess even really | May 21 09:52 |
| sebsebseb | and of course Twitter doesn't really care properly about it's users, and well can say this for many companies | May 21 09:53 |
| sebsebseb | what about big super markets even whilst at it? do they really care about us the customers? no I guess not, they just take advantage realy of the face that people need to eat and such, and make loads of money whilst doing so | May 21 09:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Unarchiver: Finally A Free Software Tool To Extract RARv3 Archiveshttp://is.gd/4MTUOk "finally have a free software tool to extract RAR" | May 21 09:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Unarchiver: Finally A Free Software Tool To Extract RARv3 Archives ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog .::. Size~: 69.66 KB | May 21 09:53 |
| oiaohm | Google, twitter and Apple don't take the copyright of their users. | May 21 09:53 |
| sebsebseb | of the fact, not face, above, little typo there | May 21 09:53 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: only a fool would trust a company 100% in general I guess, unless maybe they work for that company and are high up in it or something | May 21 09:54 |
| oiaohm | Not that I trust google, twitter or apple. At least with them you still have the law on your side if their secuirty systems fail. | May 21 09:56 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: it's, because of the US law that Facebook aren't meant to have under 13's using the website, that's all | May 21 09:56 |
| oiaohm | Facebook contract really does not give you any recourse if Facebooks secuirty fails. | May 21 09:56 |
| oiaohm | Or was non existant in the first place. | May 21 09:57 |
| sebsebseb | and most people don't think about computer secrutiy properly either | May 21 09:57 |
| sebsebseb | same password for things | May 21 09:57 |
| sebsebseb | and so on | May 21 09:57 |
| sebsebseb | think PS3 network even, and how the brake in has effected many users as a reuslt | May 21 09:57 |
| sebsebseb | and not, becasue some unencrypted info was stolen | May 21 09:57 |
| sebsebseb | and not just, because of that | May 21 09:57 |
| oiaohm | PS3 network contract | May 21 09:58 |
| sebsebseb | well I read some of the PS3 stuff, and that, not been following closestly | May 21 09:58 |
| oiaohm | Sony is not libibal for any of the data loss. | May 21 09:58 |
| oiaohm | By the contract | May 21 09:58 |
| oiaohm | People did not read the fine print did they. | May 21 09:58 |
| sebsebseb | most people don't read the lisence agreements and such for websites and propritary softwaer | May 21 09:58 |
| sebsebseb | or dont' read it properly | May 21 09:58 |
| oiaohm | Only reason sony has todo something. | May 21 09:58 |
| sebsebseb | and press accept | May 21 09:58 |
| sebsebseb | in fact there was a recent South Park making fun of this, when it came to Apple :D | May 21 09:58 |
| oiaohm | Is that credit card companies were going to block sony from doing business. | May 21 09:59 |
| oiaohm | Its like deally with spam | May 21 09:59 |
| oiaohm | Fastest way is go after the credit processing company they are using. | May 21 09:59 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: best one I know of in that theme is this set of dilbert. http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1997-01-14/ http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1997-01-15/ http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1997-01-16/ | May 21 10:05 |
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| *_Goblin (~goblin@94-193-188-104.zone7.bethere.co.uk) has joined #techrights | May 21 10:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Jono Bacon: Rocking The !Ubuntu LoCo Community In #Oneiric http://goo.gl/P2gDl | May 21 10:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Rocking The LoCo Community In Oneiric | jonobacon@home .::. Size~: 32.77 KB | May 21 10:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Evolution 3.0 now available for Ubuntu 11.04 !GNOME 3 users http://goo.gl/NSKgm | May 21 10:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Evolution 3.0 now available for Ubuntu 11.04 GNOME 3 users .::. Size~: 72.41 KB | May 21 10:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Launchpad Blog: Love from #Budapest http://goo.gl/vYUgQ | May 21 10:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Ahmed Kamal: Ensemble at !UDS-O http://goo.gl/F1zjh | May 21 10:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @lxnews HP Touts WebOS to Linux Geeks http://lxnews.org/2011/05/20/hp-touts-webos-to-linux-geeks/ | May 21 10:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Martin Owens: Netbook Launcher now Available for !Ubuntu #Natty! http://goo.gl/2cHM8 | May 21 10:26 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: DoctorMo's Blog » Blog Archive » Netbook Launcher now Available for Natty! .::. Size~: 16.64 KB | May 21 10:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Chromium blog: #WebP in Chrome, Picasa, Gmail With a Slew of New Features and Improvements http://goo.gl/4snvC | May 21 10:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Chromium Blog: WebP in Chrome, Picasa, Gmail With a Slew of New Features and Improvements .::. Size~: 40.35 KB | May 21 10:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] A new !Fs based citizenship initiative to ease up understanding the portuguese parliament check @democratica | May 21 10:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Amazing! :D The Eye of the Creeper http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfuofiUfh8U | May 21 10:35 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - The Eye of the Creeper - Minecraft Music Video .::. Size~: 129.88 KB | May 21 10:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] A parliament session looks like a forum, nice! Parlamento :: Demo.cratica.org - http://ur1.ca/48msx | May 21 10:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] !ManUtd Fans 2008 European Cup Final Penalty Shootout Reactions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbHq9364t04&feature=youtu.be | May 21 10:40 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Man Utd Fans European Cup Reactions .::. Size~: 103.86 KB | May 21 10:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ballmer claims GNU/Linux users don't want to pay http://is.gd/9ukGsV | May 21 10:56 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Ballmer claims GNU/Linux users don't want to pay .::. Size~: 96.31 KB | May 21 10:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The myth of the 'Cheap' "Linux users" is easy to believe due to endless repetition. Facts suggest that Windows users are the cheapest. | May 21 11:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Windows users that I know are always looking for "free stuff" (gratis) and this happens to include Firefox. Who would want Microsoft SDK?! | May 21 11:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 18 of the Best Free Up-and-Coming #GNU #Linux #Games (Part 3 of 3) http://is.gd/5xxh6W | May 21 11:11 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 18 of the Best Free Up-and-Coming Linux Games (Part 3 of 3) - Linux Links - The Linux Portal Site .::. Size~: 31.82 KB | May 21 11:11 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz, are you up for recording later? | May 21 11:18 |
| schestowitz | yes, can we do afternoon? | May 21 11:19 |
| _Goblin | yep sounds good | May 21 11:19 |
| schestowitz | what time? (ish) | May 21 11:19 |
| _Goblin | as long as its well before Doctor Who | May 21 11:19 |
| _Goblin | say.... | May 21 11:19 |
| _Goblin | 4pm? | May 21 11:19 |
| schestowitz | excellent | May 21 11:19 |
| _Goblin | :) | May 21 11:19 |
| _Goblin | I'll see you then. | May 21 11:19 |
| schestowitz | is rusty joining? | May 21 11:19 |
| _Goblin | not today | May 21 11:19 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe too aarly | May 21 11:19 |
| schestowitz | Ok | May 21 11:19 |
| _Goblin | tomorrow theres the interview booked.....if you're still up for it | May 21 11:20 |
| schestowitz | I have good topics for 4 | May 21 11:20 |
| schestowitz | we can go through them quickly to cover lots of ground | May 21 11:20 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: yes, I'm up for it | May 21 11:20 |
| _Goblin | cool....the chap is from Poland I believe | May 21 11:20 |
| schestowitz | you ought to do a section about unity with the wife | May 21 11:20 |
| schestowitz | pun too | May 21 11:21 |
| _Goblin | Yeah, Ive got quite a bit of material.... | May 21 11:21 |
| schestowitz | ep title "unity saved our marriage!" | May 21 11:21 |
| _Goblin | lol... | May 21 11:21 |
| schestowitz | the ballad of ubuntu | May 21 11:21 |
| _Goblin | Ive also got my usual laugh at the BBC......and also a little of UK copyright legislation blundering | May 21 11:22 |
| _Goblin | oh and a few releases to mention | May 21 11:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Geniatech launches a TV with #Android on board! http://is.gd/2zYm03 how come nobody talks about Year of #Linux on the Television? | May 21 11:25 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Geniatech launches a TV with Android on board! | Ubuntu Manual .::. Size~: 25.5 KB | May 21 11:25 |
| schestowitz | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/cnews/article.php/3934116/Tech-Comics-Really-Private-Facebook-Apps.htm http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2011-05-21-001-41-PR-HU | May 21 11:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Tech Comics: 'Really Private' Facebook Apps — Datamation.com .::. Size~: 82.29 KB | May 21 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: I have lists of releases too | May 21 11:25 |
| schestowitz | after a while (month) we started to spend too much time on few topics | May 21 11:26 |
| schestowitz | Rather than move on and cover many items | May 21 11:26 |
| schestowitz | should be easy now to get back to higher pace | May 21 11:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Firefox 5 Compatibility Bump http://blog.mozilla.com/addons/2011/05/21/firefox-5-compatibility-bump/ | May 21 11:26 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Firefox 5 Compatibility Bump | Mozilla Add-ons Blog .::. Size~: 15 KB | May 21 11:26 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: No one talks about the year of the Linux tv because we don't want MS in our way. | May 21 11:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Hi Ubuntu hackers. Care about your freedom? Check #fedora. We need no Copyright transfer to value your work, we are truly open. | May 21 11:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ♺ @fontana To be accurate, #Fedora never required copyright transfer, unlike #Ubuntu (however, #Apache -based #CLA had similar quality) | May 21 11:30 | |
| schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/sxkFo/ | May 21 11:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: See the world's tallest lego tower .::. Size~: 7.65 KB | May 21 11:30 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: you think they don't know alrleady? | May 21 11:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @jwildeboer: Hi Ubuntu hackers. Care about your freedom? Check Fedora. We need no Copyright transfer to value your work, we are truly open | May 21 11:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @jwildeboer ♺ @fontana To be accurate, #Fedora never required copyright transfer, unlike #Ubuntu (however, #Apache -based #CLA had si ... | May 21 11:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @jwildeboer Hi Ubuntu hackers. Care about your freedom? Check #fedora. We need no Copyright transfer to value your work, we are truly ... | May 21 11:31 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Are we seeing MS insanely advertise Windows Media Center or Xbox360? | May 21 11:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] No earthquake today... yet. 12 hours to go... http://is.gd/yiT4BN nice sunny day so far. | May 21 11:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Peeps in Honolulu - should #rapture be at 6 pm, you are our final chance. 17.5 hours to go ;-) | May 21 11:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] :-( It's been 36 minutes past 6 pm in SIngapore and rapture has not happened :-(. #bs | May 21 11:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ♺ @harishpillay: :-( It's been 36 minutes past 6 pm in SIngapore and rapture has not happened :-(. #bs | May 21 11:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Some people's lives are so miserable that they hope to reboot it for everyone. Potholer has a good new video http://is.gd/5omhH1 #may21 | May 21 11:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @schestowitz No earthquake today... yet. 12 hours to go... http://is.gd/yiT4BN nice sunny day so far. | May 21 11:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @JayMontano Keyboardless Nokia N9 ST-Ericsson Dual Core for Masses announced in a few weeks, keyboard version N9 ... http://bit.ly/lmiCqs | May 21 11:51 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Keyboardless Nokia N9 ST-Ericsson Dual Core for Masses announced in a few weeks, keyboard version N9 for developers : My Nokia Blog .::. Size~: 68.5 KB | May 21 11:51 |
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| schestowitz | hi, expat | May 21 11:55 |
| expat | sawadii | May 21 11:56 |
| expat | quiet | May 21 11:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Is !Bitcoin The Most Dangerous Technological Project Since The Web Itself? - PSFK http://www.psfk.com/2011/05/bitcoin-peer-to-peer-virtual-c | May 21 11:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: US troops embedded with Pakistan forces on Pakistani soil http://is.gd/Q7YyzI | May 21 12:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] This is NOT Egypt. NOT Tunisia. NOT Libya. This is #Spain. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9aDGAW9POw&feature=youtu.be | May 21 12:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] #folkrace http://ur1.ca/48nft | May 21 12:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] No shit, Sherlock! RT @guardiannews: Apocalypse not now: The Rapture fails to materialise http://gu.com/p/2p9vy/tf | May 21 12:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @jwildeboer This is NOT Egypt. NOT Tunisia. NOT Libya. This is #Spain. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9aDGAW9POw&feature=youtu.be | May 21 12:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] #folkrace http://ur1.ca/48ngf | May 21 12:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[piracy/@piracy] Anti-Piracy Outfit Will Not Sue #Hadopi ‘Hacker’ http://is.gd/HTDZfS #tpn #anon #piracy | May 21 12:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Upcoming dates: May 26, 2011: Bradley Manning detained for one year http://bradleymanning.org/ | May 21 12:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 173 million downloads on 2011-05-21 11:32 UTC | May 21 12:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Upcoming dates: Jun 6, 2011: Assange detained for six months under house arrest | May 21 12:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Upcoming dates: July 12, 2011: Assange extradition appeal | May 21 12:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Upcoming dates: May 24, 2011: PBS airs documentary trying to embroil (with help from NYT) Assange, Manning in espionage | May 21 12:48 | |
| MinceR | "And uncheck, if you use Safari, in Preferences the box about | May 21 12:52 |
| MinceR | opening files after downloading them." | May 21 12:52 |
| MinceR | yeah, pay no attention to the built-in vulnerability :> | May 21 12:52 |
| MinceR | geekings | May 21 12:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @JamesFirth @rlancefield Mainstream US media reporting on #injunction - Will UK ISPs be ordered to block overseas news? #censorship | May 21 13:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @ruiseabra: RT @jwildeboer This is NOT Egypt. NOT Tunisia. NOT Libya. This is #Spain. http://ur1.ca/48nyo | May 21 13:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Anti-#Piracy Outfit Will Not Sue #Hadopi ‘Hacker’ - http://bit.ly/iBDMOX quelle histoire... | May 21 13:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Anti-Piracy Outfit Will Not Sue Hadopi ‘Hacker’ | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 25.31 KB | May 21 13:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Just cleaned the deck for the BBQ with @opensourcegeek, @ilka & co. later. Wearing my Hawaiian shirt too. It's summer! :D | May 21 13:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Invent With #Nokia, create the future - http://bit.ly/kKnIdE then put chains on it to stop the world at large from benefitting #monopolies | May 21 13:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @debian: Alioth-Admin is working on updates. Dowtime of the !Debian services there expected during the weekend: http://j.mp/lIPLn2 | May 21 13:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @jwildeboer:Hi Ubuntu hackers. Care about your freedom? Check #fedora. We need no Copyright transfer to value your work, we are truly open | May 21 13:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: Ballmer claims GNU/Linux users don't want to pay http://is.gd/9ukGsV | May 21 13:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: The Unarchiver: Finally A Free Software Tool To Extract RARv3 Archiveshttp://is.gd/4MTUOk ... | May 21 13:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: #Kubuntu 11.10 Mobile Devices Sneak Peak http://is.gd/hpbgoc plasma-netbook is very nice | May 21 13:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Graphene: our miracle material - http://ur1.ca/48o4j | May 21 13:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ZEBRASTREIFEN WEISS UND BLAU..... EIN JEDER WEISS GENAU, DAS IST DER M-S-V!!! :D | May 21 13:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to buy a case of KöPi and some meat for tonight! | May 21 14:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] What Every C Programmer Should Know About Undefined Behavior #3/3 http://lwn.net/Articles/444045/rss | May 21 14:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aondo/@aondo] Talked with a #nokia employee yesterday, and he pitched #MeeGo as there was nothing else! I Enjoyed that! Too bad he couldn't sell it to me. | May 21 14:40 | |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz, Im ready to go if you are. | May 21 14:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange: There have been illegal attacks on our infrastructure http://alturl.com/39j2a | May 21 14:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL ♻ @heeed Wheres @fabsh? Spotted in London! http://ur1.ca/48ofl | May 21 15:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Argentinian rib-eye steak FTW! :D | May 21 15:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @fendus OK, someone will have to help me with 3-way rail interchange to brown station !miners | May 21 15:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Watering the course to prevent too much dust #folkrace http://ur1.ca/48omf | May 21 15:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] #folkrace http://ur1.ca/48omx | May 21 15:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Starting field #folkrace http://ur1.ca/48on5 | May 21 15:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @quimgil At Caltrain Mountain View, heading to #MeeGoConf - looking forward to meeting good friends! | May 21 15:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] let's hope good news will come from the #MeeGoConf, !MeeGo | May 21 15:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Marinading an Argentinian rib-eye steak in beer. :D http://ur1.ca/48oqc | May 21 15:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] I was spared by the same double standard that makes WikiLeaks the subject of a criminal inquiry... http://nyr.kr/laRpyG | May 21 15:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Today's "photo album": https://identi.ca/clacke/tag/folkrace | May 21 15:35 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clacke) tagged folkrace - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 52.91 KB | May 21 15:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Go! #folkrace http://ur1.ca/48osb | May 21 15:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Vroom! #folkrace http://ur1.ca/48osg | May 21 15:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] The Pakistan Papers roundup http://alturl.com/esb4e | May 21 15:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 2011-05-20 Pakistan Papers: US Drones Violate Sovereignty, Fuel Anti-American Sentiment | WL Central .::. Size~: 28.38 KB | May 21 15:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks & Dawn: Pakistan Papers day 2 http://alturl.com/4m9u7 | May 21 15:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] De cómo el #copyright puso su grano de arena para que saliera el Sol - http://bit.ly/myXh3z #15m #leysinde (v @earcos @jdelacueva) | May 21 15:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] The Arab spring phenomena spreads to protests in Spain http://alturl.com/wxuji | May 21 15:48 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 2011-05-19 The #Spanishrevolution starts in Madrid as an experiment in participatory democracy #acampadasol #yeswecamp #democraciarealya | WL Central .::. Size~: 24.72 KB | May 21 15:48 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: i'm back | May 21 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Are you ready? | May 21 15:56 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: can't spell out proprietary without 'prop', toy | May 21 15:58 |
| MinceR | :> | May 21 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Just spent an hur speking to an apple fan at the gym | May 21 15:58 |
| schestowitz | They treat jobs like a god | May 21 15:58 |
| schestowitz | And I had to keep a straight face | May 21 15:58 |
| schestowitz | If you insult jobs, you insult them] | May 21 15:58 |
| MinceR | they deserve to be insulted | May 21 15:59 |
| schestowitz | they really do think he;'s some kind of Messiah | May 21 15:59 |
| schestowitz | May 21s | May 21 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Like the myth of gates bringing PCs to the masses | May 21 15:59 |
| schestowitz | MS never even made Pcs | May 21 15:59 |
| MinceR | maybe they will | May 21 16:00 |
| MinceR | they'll buy mokia and make booklet 3g-s :> | May 21 16:00 |
| schestowitz | it started when he overheard me bashing apple with a polish mate of mine | May 21 16:00 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the mobile unit maybe | May 21 16:00 |
| schestowitz | but he did asauy something I like | May 21 16:01 |
| schestowitz | He said Microsoft was nearly dead | May 21 16:01 |
| schestowitz | That'\s where I like Apple fans | May 21 16:01 |
| MinceR | :> | May 21 16:01 |
| schestowitz | I said Apple was not as bad witrh lobbying and extotion, bribery, etc. | May 21 16:01 |
| MinceR | sometimes they're in love with m$ though | May 21 16:01 |
| MinceR | they just rarely dmit it | May 21 16:01 |
| MinceR | it's not for lack of trying though -- crApple is another backer of b$a, lobbying for sw patents | May 21 16:02 |
| MinceR | and a member of mpeg la | May 21 16:02 |
| schestowitz | iRapture: all Windws users left behidn | May 21 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Blow sucks all the apple users | May 21 16:02 |
| MinceR | blow will die too | May 21 16:03 |
| schestowitz | [00:41] <MinceR> http://redd.it/hfmsw | May 21 16:03 |
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| MinceR | and then crApple will follow him to the grave | May 21 16:03 |
| schestowitz | well, apple and kicrosoft has a common enemy which is winning | May 21 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Free coeecs, android, l9nuz... | May 21 16:04 |
| schestowitz | BTW | May 21 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Typing up standing | May 21 16:04 |
| schestowitz | so many typos | May 21 16:04 |
| MinceR | :> | May 21 16:04 |
| schestowitz | waiting for _Goblin | May 21 16:07 |
| schestowitz | walking back and forth | May 21 16:07 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: we need to start very soon | May 21 16:07 |
| schestowitz | I can't after 5:30 | May 21 16:08 |
| schestowitz | brb | May 21 16:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Mais vale fechar as portas e perder a chave... Paixão pela Educação - http://ur1.ca/48p1u | May 21 16:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Quite possibly my favorite music video !listening to Aha Take On Me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914 | May 21 16:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Any world-ending reports from Australia? | May 21 16:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good morning !Identiverse | May 21 16:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] @fabsh No, not today. :) | May 21 16:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Hey !Trisquel ians ... Trisquel <latest version> does not shut down properly for me most times. I tell it to shut down, it counts down, NOT | May 21 16:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] So mostly I shut down !Trisquel by pushing & holding the power button until it closes hard (if not, computer is still on next morning) | May 21 16:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Final! #folkrace #liveit #torpagard http://ur1.ca/48p3o | May 21 16:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] Why does everyone think Angry Birds is so good? i have played 4-5 flash games just like it that have been around for years on the net. | May 21 16:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] It's an even field! #folkrace http://ur1.ca/48p48 | May 21 16:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I shut down !Trisquel hard last night, this morning after sign in screen it did this: http://ur1.ca/48p4j | May 21 16:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] Crap its cold inside my house currently. | May 21 16:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @yamanickill @fabsh http://rapturefail.org ;-) | May 21 16:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @fabsh ♻ @yamanickill @fabsh http://rapturefail.org ;-) | May 21 16:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @chemist @fabsh http://bit.ly/kO6uiX doesn't look like mate | May 21 16:26 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: RaptureFail | Harold Camping is SO wrong .::. Size~: 31.36 KB | May 21 16:26 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] In the video jumble, I see that !Trisquel is not crashed, mouse changes jumble. Tried quick tap of the power button, and shut down properly. | May 21 16:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @clacke love the windmills :) | May 21 16:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Somebody just mailed !LO and said @methoddan's voice sounds Stipe-esque when singing. You know what, he's right! | May 21 16:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Don't wait, download #Firefox 5 beta right now http://is.gd/M3CNO3 #mozilla | May 21 16:31 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Don't wait, download Firefox 5 beta right now | Software News - Betanews .::. Size~: 44.38 KB | May 21 16:31 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz, back....I did try earlier for you.... | May 21 16:32 |
| schestowitz | let's go :-) | May 21 16:32 |
| _Goblin | ok.... | May 21 16:33 |
| _Goblin | you know you are going to need to use skype | May 21 16:33 |
| schestowitz | yes, I know.. | May 21 16:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3CoIqpyPYY&feature=digest | May 21 16:34 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 2011 #FOSDEM & Embedded #Linux Conference videos published http://is.gd/XZxb5U | May 21 16:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] When !Trisquel has not shut down properly, i still get the video jumble sometimes. | May 21 16:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @nisshh for games (and stories) there are a handful of basic kernels... different skins make them seem different | May 21 16:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @haris boredom is a symptom of not being dead, I suppose | May 21 16:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @fendus: Yikes! @nybill is following me! | May 21 16:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] !Fedora #FAmSCo meeting minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-05-21/fedora-meeting.2011-05-21-14.33.html | May 21 16:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @clacke I have always loved windmills, and I love these new super powered ones, nice to see safe energy source. AND they are beautiful. | May 21 16:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[piracy/@piracy] Specimen of a letter of complaint in German http://bit.ly/jVn1VN Pls send it to your local ambassy. TY! #tpn #ppi #anon #servergate | May 21 17:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @ubuntutwo NEWS: Microsoft announces they will GPL Skype tomorrow if rapture happens today. | May 21 17:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Will there be open, transparent consultation ministerial salariy review? Will the Master get to decide on the Servant's pay? #sgpolitics | May 21 17:26 | |
| _Goblin | good show! | May 21 17:43 |
| _Goblin | cheers! | May 21 17:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] John Cleese on Proportional Representation (1987) still true today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSUKMa1cYHk&feature=related !cdnpoli | May 21 17:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !Listening to John Fogerty and waiting for the guests to arrive. #BBQ #DFBPokal | May 21 17:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] *Very* cool... "earlier this month... !Jamendo surpassed 300,000 tracks." !copyright !creativecommons !libreplanet >> great going @jamendo | May 21 17:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] >and< !Jamendo Reaches One Million Members! ... great going @jamendo ... where *I* go to find new music !creativecommons !copyright !lp | May 21 17:53 | |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: will be out around 2am | May 21 17:53 |
| _Goblin | yeah no probs.... | May 21 17:53 |
| schestowitz | same place tomorrow? | May 21 17:54 |
| _Goblin | I'll have the show notes ready | May 21 17:54 |
| schestowitz | The interviews.. | May 21 17:54 |
| schestowitz | brb | May 21 17:54 |
| _Goblin | and the interview is around 8pm I think..if you are able | May 21 17:54 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] DefectiveByDesign: Outcry leads to 200 #bricks ordered and reprehensible #Nintendo response http://ur1.ca/48k01#DRM #customerisalwaysright | May 21 17:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] back to work on my blog theme customization for !mynovel | May 21 17:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !Listening to John Fogerty "Bad Moon Rising" #RaptureSong | May 21 18:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Fossile Brennstoffe FTW! :D #BBQ | May 21 18:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @flojo: mmmmmh beer | May 21 18:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] la quadrature du net: Sarkozy Exports Repressive Internet http://ur1.ca/250br !ACTA !copyright !bad | May 21 18:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fontana yeah get off @speeddefrost 's lawn! | May 21 18:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] BBC feature about #fet11 Budapest, FET flagships, etc. http://bbc.in/mwg5or #DigitalAgenda | May 21 18:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #Twitter clearly hates those who made them big: http://is.gd/tZwxrZ | May 21 18:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good night, @maverick | May 21 18:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Draft of beta release of #Harmony copyright assignment / #CLA http://ur1.ca/48ptu !disturbing | May 21 18:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "The Point" Part 2 ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c9sgKMXl5A&feature=related | May 21 18:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @fontana More so than before? | May 21 18:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] RT @god due to unforseen circumstances, today's rapture will be postponed indefinitely, sorry guys. | May 21 18:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @tekk RT @god due to unforseen circumstances, today's rapture will be postponed indefinitely, sorry guys. | May 21 18:28 | |
| *MinceR_ is now known as MinceR | May 21 18:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "The Point" Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CJRIllvA9s&feature=related | May 21 18:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] Enjoying the rapture with a brutal hangover http://coffee.jezra.net/coffee/20110521 #sip_and_click now the real party starts | May 21 18:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the reapture peeps are just closet pervs; any excuse to ask "did the earth move for you?" | May 21 18:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !q "Without law, there would be no lawyers... and it just goes on and on..." ~ the King, in The Point, part 3 http://ur1.ca/48pxw | May 21 18:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Off to see #Thor with family. It's surely #crap, hopefully well made crap | May 21 18:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "The Point" Part 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc0v-fJxq7E&feature=related | May 21 18:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] At my parents house enjoying my evening | May 21 18:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "The Point" Part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5lOT4TJam8&feature=related | May 21 18:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @fontana I think license-only with option 2 looks mostly harmless. We may use it. | May 21 18:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Drinking KöPi and watching the #DFBPokal final. Go MSV!!! | May 21 19:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laforge/@laforge] refactoring the gsmtap_util code in libosmocore turns out to take much more time than I thought #osmocom | May 21 19:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @charlesschulz Interesting article by Simon Phipps on CLA LibreOffice OpenOffice TDF : http://webmink.com/2011/05/20/tla-soup/ #mustread | May 21 19:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Found the CRS "You Were Out" notice: http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm310/apettit7/52111/Rapture.jpg [not by me] | May 21 19:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @valessiobrito: Sou associado da @aslorg e a anuidade custa R$90,00 sendo que esse ano os sócios não pagam inscrição do #fisl12 (R$100,00) | May 21 19:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] The Point Part 6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vrn5ZKzATk | May 21 19:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Marting Gräßlin: Where ends the Workspace and where begins the Application? http://goo.gl/aGEaY | May 21 19:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | I don't get this, Fedora won't enable float textures, but they are planning to use VDPAU | May 21 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | SGI isn't a patent troll, Nvidia is probably more likely to sue over free software | May 21 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to understand their thinking on this | May 21 19:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "The Point" Part 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2txyHZfQFks | May 21 19:20 | |
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| DaemonFC | I bought an electric toothbrush that probably has patents on it | May 21 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if fighting tooth decay makes me unethical | May 21 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | lets ask a Brit | May 21 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz? :) | May 21 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTQ2Nw | May 21 19:22 |
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| DaemonFC | More nonstandard Nvidia extensions to OpenGL that will never be removed even if they don't get approved | May 21 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | ARB? What's that? :P | May 21 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | Who needs ARB when you can just turn OpenGL into your own proprietary playground? | May 21 19:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Damn it! | May 21 19:23 | |
| DaemonFC | "Nothing about this cigarette packaging or color should be interpreted to mean safer." | May 21 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | Thank you Obama, for a minute there I thought my blue cigarettes were safe and the red ones were dangerous | May 21 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 21 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | I think they should be required to do a Mr. Mackey style warning on cigarettes | May 21 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | "Cigarettes are bad, mmk? They cause lung cancer, mmk?" | May 21 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | mmk? | May 21 19:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Fuck you, Schalke! :( | May 21 19:26 | |
| DaemonFC | I smoke so infrequently that every time I light one up I forget that I modified the lighter into a torch and nearly burn off my eyebrows :/ | May 21 19:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "Good law, bad law, what difference does it make, It's the law."~Oblio's Dad, "The Point" (part 7 http://ur1.ca/48q6o) | May 21 19:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] will there be a class action lawsuit against God for lying about the Rapture? sucking all these poor bastards into false hope? | May 21 19:30 | |
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| DaemonFC | I have a compulsion to tweak everything so it doesn't work as intended | May 21 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | is there a psychological term for that? | May 21 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | I won't stop until my toothbruth has phase cannons and photon torpedoes probably | May 21 19:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @diablomarcus Really glad to hear new CC-BY-SA policy of #SFLC. Thanks! | May 21 19:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @johnsu01 Over 500 *non-DRMed* books by @rms sold in the 2 weeks since their announcement: http://www.fsf.org/news/rms-newbooks !fsf !dbd | May 21 19:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @fsf Announcing a new addition to our list of free GNU/Linux distributions: Parabola! http://ur1.ca/48gbc !FSF !GNU | May 21 19:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @patcito Apple is a religion, it's now scientifically proven http://ur1.ca/48bhs | May 21 19:31 | |
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| DaemonFC | Does anyone know of any major ebook publisher that uses the epub or PDF formats? | May 21 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | These Android tablets advertise they are ebook readers based on support for those, but I have yet to find anyone that actually uses those | May 21 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | it's always some proprietary format with DRM | May 21 19:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "The Point" Part 8 (final segment) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McT58kjWNww #plusçachange,plusc'estlamêmechose | May 21 19:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] While I've praised #FPCA as better than old #CLA, I think !Fedora should drop contrib agreement altogether. I wish to go on public record. | May 21 19:33 | |
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| DaemonFC | I've read the Fedora contributor agreement and don't see anything wrong with it | May 21 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | it's there to ensure that no proprietary software slips in under the radar, there are no copyright assignments | May 21 19:34 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Fedora is banned in certian counetires | May 21 19:34 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: since the US export laws | May 21 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, The US export laws are a joke | May 21 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | you can use Fedora in Iran | May 21 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | or Cuba | May 21 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | or any other embargoed country | May 21 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 21 19:35 |
| sebsebseb | sure, but there aren't meant to be offical mirrors providing it | May 21 19:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] jesus saves jesus saves jesus saves jesus saves jesus saves cc @supertunaman | May 21 19:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fontana Why do we have one at all, then? :) | May 21 19:35 | |
| DaemonFC | you need to use non-US mirrors | May 21 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora has to comply with US law, that doesn't make it nonfree | May 21 19:35 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah | May 21 19:35 |
| sebsebseb | indeed | May 21 19:35 |
| sebsebseb | ,but still hmm | May 21 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, There are official non-US mirrors | May 21 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | I would be breaking federal law if I provided non-exportable software to a person in an embargoed country | May 21 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | but if I gave the software to a person say, in Canada, who gave it to said person, then I broke no law | May 21 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | that's why US export law is a joke | May 21 19:36 |
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| DaemonFC | it doesn't mean a person in Iran can't use Fedora, it just means I can't give it to them | May 21 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | if that makes Fedora nonfree, so is a lot of other free software | May 21 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | including Firefox | May 21 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | if I got a copy of Mandriva and gave it to a person in an embargoed country, I break the same law | May 21 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | is Mandriva nonfree? | May 21 19:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @rrix #Fedora Project leaders seem to think it's necessary. | May 21 19:38 | |
| DaemonFC | same with Ubuntu | May 21 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | or Debian | May 21 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | or most others | May 21 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | any distribution with OpenSSH for sure | May 21 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | or anything with strong crypto (128-bit RSA or higher) | May 21 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | I think the GPL technically forbids Fedora to distribute anything at all to anyone because of that | May 21 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | it has a provision that says something to the effect that if the law interferes with the provisions of the GPL, you have no right to distribute the GPL-covered software at all | May 21 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | I think that entire provision is misguided | May 21 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | it puts lots of perfectly legitimate software in a gray area to make a political statement | May 21 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | but would you expect anything less from the FSF? :) | May 21 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | personally I don't care if US law says I can't use or distribute free software, they can go ahead and arrest me if they think they have a case | May 21 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | if a law is unjust, I think it is a civic duty to ignore it | May 21 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | obviously I don't like the implications of that, because that means it's up to every person to decide what laws we obey or disobey, but the existence of unjust laws makes that an unfortunate necessity | May 21 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | it opens up a straw man argument for the MAFIAA or Microsoft or whoever that if one disagrees with the laws against rape and murder, they can just ignore them | May 21 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | they like to make exaggerated arguments to get attention | May 21 19:45 |
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| DaemonFC | and make their corrupt nature seem more legitimate than it really is | May 21 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | really this is the fault of the politicians they bribe to make a mockery of our justice system | May 21 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | any sane person would see a huge difference between using software that violates a patent and raping someone | May 21 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | I would hope so at least | May 21 19:47 |
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| DaemonFC | shame on them for creating a situation where it is more ethical to break the law than to follow the law | May 21 19:49 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: uhmm if you typed stuff to me recently, I won't have got it all I gues | May 21 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | you can get more time in prison for selling bootleg DVDs than for raping someone then murdering them | May 21 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | that's just sick | May 21 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | up to 20 years in prison for each DVD you sold, vs. 20-life for murder plus 10-20 for rape | May 21 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | with parole you could be out in 10 years for a rape/murder | May 21 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Our legal system is based on just admitting guilt in exchange for a lesser sentence, it's like the People's Republic of China | May 21 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | you can beat a better plea agreement out of a prosecutor if you make it seem like they better strap in for a long and drawn out trial | May 21 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | they aren't geared for that, they'll hurry up and slap you on the wrist to get rid of you a lot of the time | May 21 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 21 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | especially if it seems their case against you is falling apart anyway | May 21 19:54 |
| MinceR | how much for killing someone and taking their DVDs (legal or bootleg)? | May 21 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, ZOMG, you took a DVD!!!!! | May 21 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | maybe we can use the skullfucking and grisly murder as sentence enhancements | May 21 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | a DVD? ZOMG!!!! | May 21 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | US legal system :P | May 21 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's a joke | May 21 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | they place more value on a bootlegged DVD than a human life | May 21 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | there it is, in black and white (statute) | May 21 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, How is it in the People's Democratic Republic of Hungaristan? | May 21 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | not much better? | May 21 19:57 |
| MinceR | dunno | May 21 19:57 |
| MinceR | but they seem very eager to fulfill every wish of the MAFIAA | May 21 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | that would be the bribe money talking | May 21 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | and threat of sanctions from US politicians they have on the payroll | May 21 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Nominally autonomous US territory of the People's Democratic Hungaristani Republic | May 21 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 21 19:59 |
| MinceR | also the people in charge being completely clueless | May 21 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | nope, it makes perfect sense to them | May 21 20:00 |
| MinceR | iirc orban recently learned about email | May 21 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | bribes and threats of sanctions make it all seem so obvious | May 21 20:00 |
| MinceR | now the nazis are wasting tax money on buying crApple toys for themselves | May 21 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | The People's Democratic iRepublic of Hungaristan | May 21 20:00 |
| MinceR | and of course there's that politicians in parliaments in general tend to vote without reading the bills | May 21 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | same here | May 21 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | although how DO you read a 1,200 page bill that was written by lobbyists? | May 21 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | (Health "Reform") | May 21 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | here Senator, just sign this and you'll get a generous campaign contribution | May 21 20:02 |
| MinceR | it's not my job, i'm not a jurist nor an elected official | May 21 20:02 |
| msb_ | Today is Judgement Day! Repent, all ye sinners!!! | May 21 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, In all honesty, the healthcare "reform" isn't going anywhere | May 21 20:02 |
| MinceR | it's what they get my damned money for, so they had better do it | May 21 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | the Republicans want it just as bad as the Democrats | May 21 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | they staged that "revolt" | May 21 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | because they knew it would pass anyway | May 21 20:03 |
| msb_ | Jesus saves! | May 21 20:03 |
| MinceR | msb_: but does he back up? | May 21 20:03 |
| msb_ | But Moses _invests_! | May 21 20:03 |
| MinceR | Jesus saves... and takes half damage. | May 21 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | msb_, I saw Jesus Saves written in sharpie marker on a bathroom stall at Walmart, it stayed there for a while,so I busted out a marker and turned it into "Jesus Saves by shopping at Walmart!" | May 21 20:04 |
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| DaemonFC | it was gone the next day | May 21 20:04 |
| MinceR | lol | May 21 20:04 |
| msb_ | Anybody seen the movie _Limitless_ (2011)? | May 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | is it any good? I might add it to my bittorr.....uhhhm, Amazon Wishlist | May 21 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 21 20:05 |
| msb_ | It is AMAZING!!! | May 21 20:05 |
| msb_ | Not out in dvd in US yet. But in the usual 2 places. | May 21 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Jesus saves and reflects the damage on attacker, who must roll the dice! | May 21 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 21 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | Hey ThistleWeb I am curious, why did you quit TechBytes? | May 21 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Turns water into wine. What a waste of superpowers, he should have spent his XP on something more useful. | May 21 20:07 |
| msb_ | It's about greatly extending the abilities of your mind! | May 21 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | Water into dark ale maybe? :) | May 21 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | Catholics and ilk are even more insane than other subcults, because they believe they are literally eating the flesh of their deity and drinking his blood | May 21 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | (but not by much, so eat shit) | May 21 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 21 20:09 |
| ThistleWeb | sebsebseb: if you read some of my dents, as well as recent convo's I've had here you'll understand | May 21 20:09 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: maybe it's just Polymorph Any Object | May 21 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Here's some flesh and blood, consume it and gain superpowers like the other Catholics! | May 21 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | Holier Than Thou is a good one | May 21 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | well I have read some of your dents, read before about quiting in the past, but then you didn't | May 21 20:10 |
| msb_ | All J/C/I religion(s) say there is a psychopathic God in the sky who demands we all worship him, and that we convert or kill everyone who doesn't. | May 21 20:10 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: the one that does nothing except penalize social skills? | May 21 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | msb_, CUT YOUR SON IN HALF, WAIT, JUST FUCKING WITH YOU. LULZ!!! I TOTALLY HAD YOU GOING THERE!!!! | May 21 20:11 |
| ThistleWeb | I was close to quitting before, I now have | May 21 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | you should have seen the look on your faces | May 21 20:11 |
| MinceR | msb_: yet he seems to kill everyone with the average delay regardless of whether they do or not :> | May 21 20:11 |
| msb_ | MinceR: He's a psychopath serial killer -- it's in his program. | May 21 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, God kills rednecks with tornadoes, but misses all the "queers" in those other states. | May 21 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | as for dents, and chat logs here, well that will be around all over the place | May 21 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | God clearly has bad aim. | May 21 20:12 |
| MinceR | msb_: perhaps he's more of a parallel killer :> | May 21 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, To be fair, 600 miles is a close hit from a cosmic perspective | May 21 20:12 |
| MinceR | hitting the planet should be good enough? :> | May 21 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | the tsunamis | May 21 20:13 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Oh yeah! And how about all those church buses tumbling off the highway? What an ingrate! | May 21 20:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Desktop Linux Reviews Linux !Mint 201104 Xfce http://goo.gl/7geZ0 | May 21 20:13 | |
| MinceR | msb_: early entry into heaven, obviously. | May 21 20:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux Mint 201104 Xfce Review | Desktop Linux Reviews .::. Size~: 126.32 KB | May 21 20:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I give up. :( | May 21 20:15 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, God hates Mars, just look at what happened to them. | May 21 20:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Tech Drive-in: 10 Addictive Games from Chrome Web Store http://goo.gl/uWD6n !chromium | May 21 20:16 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 10 Addictive Games from Chrome Web Store | Tech Drive-in .::. Size~: 54.17 KB | May 21 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | Clearly Martians were queers | May 21 20:16 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: do you see any martians in the bible? | May 21 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | No, they were so evil God struck them from the record | May 21 20:18 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Software Company Removes "Booby Trap" from Internet Filtering Program http://bit.ly/lPdxIR | May 21 20:20 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Martian Jesus is watching you masturbate, with all 48 eyes. Compound eyes. | May 21 20:20 |
| msb_ | "CUT YOUR SON IN HALF, WAIT, JUST FUCKING WITH YOU" Super-great song right here! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ30w3eQR4o | May 21 20:21 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @pololita: Gran evento de lanzamiento de la revista de Software Libre Ecuador, todo el compromiso gubernamental para la promoción | May 21 20:21 | |
| msb_ | Just listen to it, the pictures are a distraction. | May 21 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjHkIm3Z3gA | May 21 20:25 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Recorded an episode of TechBytes....tomorrow will have another, hopefully with Rusty making an appearance too... | May 21 20:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is fabsh with 180 dents! | May 21 20:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Full Assange speech outside the court on extradition http://alturl.com/79tf8 | May 21 20:48 | |
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| schestowitz | msb_: the bible has other stories about cutting babies in half | May 21 21:00 |
| schestowitz | It seems to be somewhat of a fetish of Gawd(awful) | May 21 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Humans love pairs of things... the man upstairs loves of a pair cut from the same thing :-D | May 21 21:01 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: I've been watching "Criminal Minds" on TV. All about psychopathic serial killers and their programs. | May 21 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Was the man upstairs in it? :-) | May 21 21:03 |
| schestowitz | To these people's standards, man who wants to slice his own baby is a champion of blind faith | May 21 21:03 |
| msb_ | Some of his believers are. | May 21 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The man upstairs loves you. | May 21 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | but I'm his favorite | May 21 21:04 |
| schestowitz | By today's standards we send people like this to asylum or jail :-) | May 21 21:04 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: darn! | May 21 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Even if they heard God clearly say cut your child in half? | May 21 21:04 |
| schestowitz | I hope he's an obsessive stalker | May 21 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Cause his (why not her) love for you will make you suffer :-) | May 21 21:05 |
| msb_ | And yet half of the population of the planet believes that the Universe was created and is controlled by one. | May 21 21:05 |
| schestowitz | yeah | May 21 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | "DAMMIT, that wasn't HALF, one piece is 51% and the other is 49%! Start over with your next child!" | May 21 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Well, maybe by metaphor | May 21 21:05 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people use it as a placeholder, esp. when you ask hard question and they get embarrassed to answer | May 21 21:05 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying you believe Elvis is alive or santa is real | May 21 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Actually, Elvis is more like Jesus | May 21 21:06 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: in the US it's more like 90% | May 21 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Same in Sweden, just opposite! | May 21 21:06 |
| msb_ | Jesus was a good guy, said a lot of good things. | May 21 21:06 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: and if you trust Fox, Sweden eats babies :-) | May 21 21:07 |
| schestowitz | !google fox pagan losers | May 21 21:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Europeans Are "a Pack of Pagan Losers" | The Moderate Voice | http://themoderatevoice.com/68965/europeans-are-a-pack-of-pagan-losers/ | May 21 21:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - YouTube - FOX Business: European Economy Hurt by Secularism? | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DlA-cpzGWVwE | May 21 21:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Europeans Are "a Pack of Pagan Losers" - Atlantic Review ... | http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1383-Europeans-Are-a-Pack-of-Pagan-Losers.html | May 21 21:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - On O'Reilly , British-American Varney calls Europeans "a pack of ... | http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201004080054 | May 21 21:07 |
| msb_ | Problem is, the "Christians" believe his main virtue was being murdered so they can "sin" without being punished for it. | May 21 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Eating babies is sinful, cutting them in half is divine. | May 21 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 21 21:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] any sign of a #Flattr module for #Drupal 7? Seems a lot of folks want it but the last one is for Drupal 6 | May 21 21:15 | |
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| MinceR | don't eat babies, eat gods | May 21 21:22 |
| schestowitz | it's small minded | May 21 21:26 |
| schestowitz | appetiser maybe :-) | May 21 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Hateful, moody, bullying... all signs of low ego | May 21 21:26 |
| schestowitz | If God was one of us, he'd behave like this and be ostracised :-) | May 21 21:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] can anyone point me to what a slot is in terms of #Mumble, lots of sites talk about it, but none of them explain what it is | May 21 21:28 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Jesus is love.* (*of people with arbitrary combinations of actions and beliefs) | May 21 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | who are those people? buy a lottery ticket and see if you guessed right (thousands of different sub-cults) | May 21 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | I've been looking for knock off razor blades and found that they don't exist and Philips took out patents to make sure they are the only ones who can make them... *sigh* | May 21 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | I may as well throw the whole electric razor in the trash and buy a new one, it's only a $7 difference between the entire thing and a replacement head | May 21 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | grrr | May 21 21:50 |
| schestowitz | use a shaver | May 21 21:51 |
| schestowitz | cleaner | May 21 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I treid razors again for two months | May 21 21:51 |
| schestowitz | After stopping when I started university | May 21 21:51 |
| schestowitz | But I'm back to shaver... I can read while shaving this way, too :-) | May 21 21:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Edited !Fedora wiki page describing FPL, deleting term "Benevolent Dictator". https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Project_Leader cc: @jsmith | May 21 21:55 | |
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| MinceR | makes sense, since shuttlecock made that term even more of a curse word than before :> | May 21 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, You love OS Ubuntu Vista | May 21 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | don't lie :) | May 21 21:56 |
| MinceR | why not Ubuntu 7? | May 21 21:57 |
| schestowitz | I liked 7.04 | May 21 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 does crash less than Vista in my experience | May 21 21:57 |
| schestowitz | I ran it until 2009 at my office | May 21 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | the Vista nails bloat and unstable | May 21 21:58 |
| schestowitz | then I decommissioned it | May 21 21:58 |
| schestowitz | I still have the full image of it on a backup hard-drive in the bedroom | May 21 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, If you're looking for a "long term stable" just use Scientific Linux or Debian | May 21 21:58 |
| MinceR | 7 also removes functionality | May 21 21:58 |
| MinceR | according to that winblows lover's article | May 21 21:59 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: "long term stable" - sounds like the opposite of you :-p | May 21 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | no, it's better than Vista in the sense that, what isn't | May 21 21:59 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: UAC is functionality | May 21 21:59 |
| schestowitz | ? | May 21 21:59 |
| MinceR | nope | May 21 21:59 |
| MinceR | but there were stuff removed from Explorer, iirc | May 21 22:00 |
| schestowitz | they should remove Explorer altogether | May 21 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, IE used to be able to turn into a file manager, and Explorer used to be able to turn into IE | May 21 22:00 |
| schestowitz | It's a security flaw | May 21 22:00 |
| schestowitz | With never-ending holes that are very serious, unlike Firefox's | May 21 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | then someone at Microsoft finally admitted that a browser/file manager is a security risk | May 21 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | and gratuitous | May 21 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | of course that describes IE and the Windows shell, even decoupled | May 21 22:01 |
| schestowitz | !google book "don't clisk the blue E" | May 21 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | No Google results | May 21 22:01 |
| schestowitz | !google book "don't clisk the blue E" | May 21 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | No Google results | May 21 22:01 |
| schestowitz | sigh | May 21 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | clisk | May 21 22:01 |
| schestowitz | !google book "don't click the blue E" | May 21 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 21 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Don't Click on the Blue E! - O'Reilly Media | http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596009397 | May 21 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Amazon.com: Don't Click on the Blue E!: Switching to Firefox ... | http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Click-Blue-Switching-Firefox/dp/0596009399 | May 21 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - PPI::HTML::CodeFolder - search.cpan.org | http://search.cpan.org/perldoc%3FPPI%253A%253AHTML%253A%253ACodeFolder | May 21 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Firefox 2.0 - Pixel2Life Forum | http://www.pixel2life.com/forums/index.php%3F/topic/27296-firefox-20/ | May 21 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I used to use Netscape, then when it started going to hell and the only other "freeware" was IE, I switched to Opera | May 21 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Firepox | May 21 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | and even paid to register it | May 21 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 21 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, didn't exist then | May 21 22:02 |
| schestowitz | sounds more painful than chicken pox | May 21 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | All the major Linux distributions used to hold their nose and throw in Netscape even though it was crap and nonfree | May 21 22:03 |
| MinceR | Flisk | May 21 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | there were no passable free browsers at that point | May 21 22:03 |
| MinceR | there was Mozilla (what's Seamonkey now) | May 21 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | If Netscape had stuck to the Mariner engine and released 5.0, they may still be around to talk about it today | May 21 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | the Gecko project took more time to release useful software than Netscape had | May 21 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | btw, Mariner for the Netscape 5 platform was under the Mozilla tri-license too | May 21 22:05 |
| MinceR | better release crap quickly than work long to develop mature software? | May 21 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | so it would have been free software | May 21 22:05 |
| MinceR | that's clueless manager thinking :> | May 21 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | well, it didn't get Netscape very far | May 21 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | going with Gecko that is | May 21 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | sure it's useful now, 10 years later | May 21 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | I'm speaking to what would have been better to keep Netscape the company alive and fighting IE | May 21 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | and like I said, Mariner was free software too | May 21 22:06 |
| MinceR | the Mozilla Foundation is alive and fighting IE | May 21 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The idea was wrong even in the original implementation | May 21 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | Mariner was a stop-gap and Gecko was the planned successor, so you had two code bases | May 21 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | my argument is they never should have done Gecko at all | May 21 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | and Mariner should have been the successor to the Netscape proprietary engine | May 21 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | the idea was Gecko would be useful software within a year, it wasn't | May 21 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | Netscape went bankrupt and AOL destroyed what was left | May 21 22:08 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Florian #Mueller calls @bkuhn "Brad" http://lwn.net/Articles/444056/ #interesting | May 21 22:08 | |
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| DaemonFC | According to some former Netscape employees, Gecko was political and there was no reason why Mariner couldn't have been improved incrementally, starting with a "working" engine from the beginning | May 21 22:09 |
| MinceR | [who?] | May 21 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | the point of Gecko wasn't to be what it is now | May 21 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | it was supposed to save the Netscape company | May 21 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | I read a pretty large essay at one point, but it's been a few years | May 21 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000027.html | May 21 22:11 |
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| DaemonFC | Lou Montulli again: "I laughed heartily as I got questions from one of my former employees about FTP code the he was rewriting. It had taken 3 years of tuning to get code that could read the 60 different types of FTP servers, those 5000 lines of code may have looked ugly, but at least they worked." | May 21 22:12 |
| schestowitz | LOL | May 21 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Florian owned | May 21 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | most of his complaints seem to be about the $20,000 toilet seat known as XUL | May 21 22:14 |
| MinceR | afaict FTP _is_ messy | May 21 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | very | May 21 22:15 |
| schestowitz | FTP should be shot dead | May 21 22:15 |
| MinceR | indeed | May 21 22:15 |
| schestowitz | causes too much problms | May 21 22:15 |
| MinceR | still, i'd rather use FTP than SMB | May 21 22:15 |
| schestowitz | WIndows n00bs still use it | May 21 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | most things that started out with no formal standard and have had different extensions welded on after the fact depending on the implementation you use are going to be messy :) | May 21 22:16 |
| schestowitz | It's the main way for Wintendo boxes to manage sites on BSD/Linux servers | May 21 22:16 |
| MinceR | as for Joel Spolsky, he comes from m$ | May 21 22:16 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: SMB... what's that, Samba? Oh wait, we're not in Brazil. :-) | May 21 22:16 |
| schestowitz | CIFS and IBM's work got a bad reputation because of Microsoft's hack job | May 21 22:17 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: the horrible protocol m$ wants you to call CIFS | May 21 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | obviously, but some of the points are still valid | May 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | it could be helpful otherwise | May 21 22:17 |
| MinceR | because they believe it's "Common" and it has something to do with the "Internet" | May 21 22:17 |
| MinceR | (both are lies) | May 21 22:17 |
| MinceR | it's a horrible hackjob designed for winblows boxes on a LAN | May 21 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, CIFYLUS | May 21 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: and Spolsky worked for Bill and Steve in NS days | May 21 22:17 |
| MinceR | well, i'm applying the term "designed" loosely here | May 21 22:18 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, hack job | May 21 22:18 |
| schestowitz | I was joking re SMB | May 21 22:18 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, it's not Microsoft's | May 21 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Like many of Microsoft's stuff, it was ripoff | May 21 22:18 |
| *schestowitz never sets up samba in Linux, ever | May 21 22:18 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The only reason you can't really use native widgets is because there are a lot of different desktops for POSIX systems that all use different toolkits | May 21 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's a given that you're going to have applications that don't work like anything else you use | May 21 22:19 |
| MinceR | it was bad enough to begin with, though | May 21 22:19 |
| MinceR | "hey, let's turn a DOS API into a network file system protocol!" | May 21 22:19 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz, we should have covered XDG3 on the show....damn..... remind me to bring that up tomorrow. | May 21 22:19 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: you could use GTK+ or Qt | May 21 22:19 |
| schestowitz | _Fxdg? 0_0 | May 21 22:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Watching !UDS-O Friday Plenary Lightning Talks video on #YouTube: http://goo.gl/E1IHh | May 21 22:20 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Ubuntu UDS O Budapest - Friday Plenary Lightning Talks .::. Size~: 97.16 KB | May 21 22:20 |
| MinceR | they're multiplatform toolkits | May 21 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, then you're only wrong half the time | May 21 22:20 |
| _Goblin | the MS new fileformat for the 360... | May 21 22:20 |
| _Goblin | it offers.....wait for it...... | May 21 22:20 |
| schestowitz | 360 is dead | May 21 22:20 |
| MinceR | DRM? | May 21 22:20 |
| schestowitz | we covr real issues :-) | May 21 22:20 |
| _Goblin | a massive 1gig extra of space along with "anti-piracy" additions | May 21 22:20 |
| _Goblin | bet they regret not going bluray | May 21 22:21 |
| _Goblin | especially after the #fail that was HDdvd | May 21 22:21 |
| schestowitz | I never regret not going bluDRM | May 21 22:21 |
| _Goblin | double negative? | May 21 22:21 |
| schestowitz | all it ever gets used for is MAFIAA stuff | May 21 22:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fontana he's starting to sound like that there-something-kov dude. | May 21 22:21 | |
| ThistleWeb | anti piracy? sounds like code to prevent pirate movies from playing, jonny depp won't be amused | May 21 22:22 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: encoding file #2 | May 21 22:22 |
| _Goblin | ah...cool | May 21 22:22 |
| schestowitz | #3 won't be finished till the world ends :-( | May 21 22:22 |
| schestowitz | But we had a good run.. | May 21 22:22 |
| _Goblin | I thought that was 6pm? | May 21 22:22 |
| schestowitz | I'm staying behind with the sinners, I reckon.. | May 21 22:22 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: it'll be LA time | May 21 22:23 |
| schestowitz | For the feedble minded | May 21 22:23 |
| _Goblin | I'm not sure where Im going but it wont be the same place as the wintrolls | May 21 22:23 |
| schestowitz | It's like in the comedy | May 21 22:23 |
| schestowitz | http://is.gd/5omhH1 #may21 | May 21 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | go to the end | May 21 22:23 |
| schestowitz | It's funny | May 21 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Rowan Atkinton | May 21 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, God is coming today! (and she is pissed) | May 21 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 21 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Is She? So am I! | May 21 22:25 |
| schestowitz | *Atkinson | May 21 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | http://concord-ca.patch.com/articles/its-judgment-day-by-the-calculations-of-an-east-bay-evangelist | May 21 22:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: It's Judgment Day, By the Calculations of an East Bay Evangelist - Concord, CA Patch .::. Size~: 201.46 KB | May 21 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | "Today is the anniversary, 7,000 years since the animals paraded onto Noah’s Ark, according to Camping’s calculations." | May 21 22:26 |
| _Goblin | damn good comentator on the Judgement day vid.... | May 21 22:26 |
| *DaemonFC head desks | May 21 22:26 | |
| _Goblin | I like his style | May 21 22:26 |
| _Goblin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkxx4HUwGZI | May 21 22:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - If you are reading this, Judgement Day has come and gone .::. Size~: 111.55 KB | May 21 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Happy Ark Day! | May 21 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 21 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I kind of hope it is true. 80% or so of the world's population vanishes | May 21 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | real estate prices drop sharply | May 21 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | the only people left are the sinners | May 21 22:29 |
| MinceR | whoa | May 21 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | I plan on retrofitting my Ford Taurus to look like something from Mad Max | May 21 22:29 |
| MinceR | so few sinners? | May 21 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yep, all the evil in the world comes from non-Christians | May 21 22:30 |
| MinceR | good to know | May 21 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | Jesus is going to leave all the gays | May 21 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | all the jews | May 21 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | all the muslims | May 21 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | and all the atheists | May 21 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | and of course all the hardened criminals | May 21 22:30 |
| _Goblin | we've all got 3 1/2 hours until the end of the world then (if indeed it is LA time) | May 21 22:30 |
| _Goblin | thats barely enough time to boot Windows | May 21 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | Vista or 7? | May 21 22:31 |
| _Goblin | good question | May 21 22:31 |
| _Goblin | both | May 21 22:31 |
| _Goblin | more so vista though | May 21 22:31 |
| _Goblin | you might have to only opt for safe mode. | May 21 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | I hear 7 is 5% faster since they shortened the login sound | May 21 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 21 22:31 |
| _Goblin | hasn't anyone ever found Microsoft humour in Windows having a "safe mode" | May 21 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, When I go to disinfect a Windows PC I don't even bother using "Safe Mod" | May 21 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | I boot from a Linux LiveCD and run an antivirus program from there | May 21 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 21 22:32 |
| _Goblin | The only safe mode for a Windows PC is when its switched off | May 21 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | and maybe not even then | May 21 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 21 22:33 |
| MinceR | and unplugged from everything | May 21 22:33 |
| _Goblin | true | May 21 22:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fontana which is why I said starting, rather than exactly like | May 21 22:33 | |
| _Goblin | and burried in 10 ft of cement....then it may be safe | May 21 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, Safe Mode Windows = Turn it off, yank the power cord out and chop it into bits with a fire ax | May 21 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | it will never join a botnet again | May 21 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | and you didn't even have to use LUNIX | May 21 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 21 22:34 |
| MinceR | you might join a botnet | May 21 22:34 |
| MinceR | for example, if you install m$ skype | May 21 22:34 |
| MinceR | on your next pc | May 21 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | heh, Ubuntu loves Skype | May 21 22:35 |
| _Goblin | or... | May 21 22:35 |
| MinceR | canonical loves m$ | May 21 22:35 |
| _Goblin | Skype loves Ubuntu? | May 21 22:35 |
| MinceR | btw, finally they've managed to force mono into debian :( | May 21 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Been like that hasn't it? | May 21 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | purge it | May 21 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | it will come back offering to use GNOTE instead of Tomboy | May 21 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | and the Mono runtime is gone | May 21 22:36 |
| MinceR | the gnome package depends on mono-runtime | May 21 22:36 |
| MinceR | i could uninstall it and then it will offer gnote instead of tomboy, but still | May 21 22:36 |
| MinceR | what the fuck? | May 21 22:36 |
| MinceR | maybe tomboy is part of official gnome | May 21 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | no, it depends on either Tomboy or GNOTE | May 21 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | if you remove one it installs the other | May 21 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | how nice | May 21 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | Kubuntu depends on Rekonq or Konqueror | May 21 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | if you purge Rekonq it installs Konqueror | May 21 22:38 |
| MinceR | if i mark mono-runtime for complete removal, it wants to mark gnome for removal, but then if i unmark gnome, it lets me do the right thing | May 21 22:39 |
| MinceR | still, the desktop task is probably incorrectly set up | May 21 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like Debian for that | May 21 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | why can't it just be like Fedora? | May 21 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | let you use or remove whatever you want | May 21 22:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] To get my dads mail from his old #M$ laptop to his new #Linux running #evolution i had to do outlook to Thunderbird | May 21 22:40 | |
| DaemonFC | Debian does a lot of stupid things | May 21 22:40 |
| MinceR | i also have yet to find out why livecd/dvds that boot into kde4 are so slow in virtualbox i can't even launch the installer | May 21 22:41 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll work in kvm | May 21 22:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] For #M$ and then again #thunderbird to #evolution I just hate #M$'s damn PST file crap | May 21 22:41 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Debian is close enough to Ubuntu that at least it gives a system that's pretty familiar to Ubuntu users and is definitely more sane | May 21 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | but how many of them will ever try Debian? few | May 21 22:42 |
| MinceR | apparently too close | May 21 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | the goal of Ubuntu is to keep you infantile and depending on them for everything | May 21 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | if you learn the right way to do things, you need them less | May 21 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 21 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora's official reason to keep Mono out of the Live image is that it's bloated and doesn't really add anything useful for the desktop user | May 21 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | I agree | May 21 22:44 |
| MinceR | it's also a shitty, tainted java knockoff | May 21 22:44 |
| MinceR | might as well just use java instead | May 21 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | right, but even without talking about patents, they bring up the valid point of it being huge | May 21 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | and adding little to the desktop experience | May 21 22:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] HTML5 based Eduvid Slidecasting Demo : Low Bandwidth Streaming - http://ur1.ca/48r3b | May 21 22:45 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Narendra Sisodiya: HTML5 based Eduvid Slidecasting Demo : Low Bandwidth Streaming .::. Size~: 122.36 KB | May 21 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | they do have Moonlight on the Forbidden Items page though | May 21 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | because there's no way it's not infringing on patents | May 21 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | and you need Microsoft codecs for it to do much anyway | May 21 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | so it immediately offers the user nonfree software | May 21 22:45 |
| MinceR | ftp.gnome.org has tomboy under "apps" | May 21 22:46 |
| MinceR | of course, no gnote | May 21 22:46 |
| MinceR | and this is a gnu project? | May 21 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's on GNOME Live I believe | May 21 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | gnote is | May 21 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, http://live.gnome.org/Gnote | May 21 22:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Gnote - GNOME Live! .::. Size~: 12.52 KB | May 21 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | KDE has a note taking plasmoid that works similarly and consumes fewer resources | May 21 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's raining | May 21 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | maybe Jesus is ending the world with a light drizzle | May 21 22:50 |
| msb_ | Is it holy water? | May 21 22:52 |
| msb_ | Sprinkle some on a vampire and see. | May 21 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know, I'm afraid to go out in it | May 21 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | maybe I'll burst into flames | May 21 22:52 |
| msb_ | It's possible -- you are a daemon. | May 21 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | [jesus@heaven ~]$ pgrep DaemonFC | May 21 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | 666 | May 21 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | [jesus@heaven ~]$ kill -9 666 | May 21 22:56 |
| MinceR | should work on undead too | May 21 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | you mean like that? | May 21 22:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @robmyers tattoos are so bourgeois | May 21 22:56 | |
| *DaemonFC ties MinceR up and forces him to watch Mel Gibson in The Passion of the Christ on an endless loop | May 21 22:58 | |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 21 22:58 |
| *MinceR burst his bonds | May 21 22:59 | |
| *MinceR subjects DaemonFC to the Ludovico Technique | May 21 22:59 | |
| DaemonFC | NO!!! ANYTHING BUT....what is that? | May 21 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 21 23:00 |
| msb_ | Invented by Don Ludovico. You don't want to know. | May 21 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | people are quitting their jobs because of the end of the world and all | May 21 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | Wouldn't it be smarter to not quit and come back to work if there is a Monday? | May 21 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 21 23:05 |
| msb_ | Oh my! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludovico_technique | May 21 23:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ludovico technique - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 33.55 KB | May 21 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | [22:26] <_Goblin> I like his style | May 21 23:06 |
| schestowitz | [22:26] <_Goblin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkxx4HUwGZI | May 21 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | Poholder is great, I;'ve been subd for ages and watched all his stuff | May 21 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | oh nice, my landlord made his son mow the yard in the rain | May 21 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | he's out there in the rain with a pushmower with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth | May 21 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | that guy is a creep | May 21 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | wonder if this is a good time to ask him to fix my sink | May 21 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | I'd almost rather keep the bucket than let him in my apartment | May 21 23:10 |
| schestowitz | lol | May 21 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | he did such a bangup job last time that the fix lasted almost a whole week | May 21 23:10 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz, very nice delivery.... | May 21 23:10 |
| schestowitz | he's a journalist | May 21 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I asked my landlord why he couldn't get anyone out here, because I'm not Dawn and almost certainly won't try to shave their back | May 21 23:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YMxpqYEjyo | May 21 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | found it. | May 21 23:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wikileaks: US ignored Bhutto's call for help http://is.gd/XNmiIS | May 21 23:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | I should really quit taking my pills and start finding ways to slip them into the food of the people I deal with every day instead | May 21 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | it's clear they need them worse | May 21 23:13 |
| _Goblin | need them more.... | May 21 23:14 |
| _Goblin | maybe? | May 21 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | just maybe | May 21 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | someone stole a bottle of Lithium from my cabinet once | May 21 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | one of the maintenance people | May 21 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | I told the landlord he might need to tell them that the street value of that is not huge | May 21 23:16 |
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| DaemonFC | he doesn't hire the sharpest tools in the shed, could explain why things break so often | May 21 23:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @tr0n: @canaimagnulinux y a ver si usan la inteligencia para proteger nuestra soberanía y no para justificar el Software Privativo | May 21 23:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @tr0n: @cnti Canaima GNU/Linux en su instalador invita a usar Software Privativo así como lo hace su menú. No es 100% libre. | May 21 23:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] RT @fontana While I've praised #FPCA as better than old #CLA, I think !Fedora should drop contrib agreement altogether. I wish to go on ... | May 21 23:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Hmm thats twice now Gwibber has failed to post a dent.....I'll have to keep an eye on that..... | May 21 23:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @tr0n: PREGUNTA: Cómo se da cumplimiento a LA GACETA OFICIAL 39633, ORD 025, ART 5 con un #Canaima GNU/Linux con partes privativas? | May 21 23:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] For me tonight its make pointless dents or suffer the godawful lady Gaga on TV.....I choose the former | May 21 23:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Firefox 5 Beta Is Here, What’s New? http://is.gd/FH5eTg !firefox | May 21 23:31 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Firefox 5 Beta Is Here, What’s New? .::. Size~: 44.05 KB | May 21 23:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Was not impressed with tonights Doctor Who...and its a two parter :( | May 21 23:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: The Fatal Error of Depending on ‘Proprietary’ Software http://is.gd/5r7spC - Very interesting article. | May 21 23:35 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Fatal Error of Depending on ‘Proprietary’ Software at Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 37.82 KB | May 21 23:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Wonder what #Camping's excuse is this time? He said, "there is...no possibility that it will not happen." #rapturelateagain | May 21 23:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] what's the bet we'll hear "the rapture DID happen, you just never noticed because you weren’t (gullible) faithful enough" #Matrix | May 21 23:53 | |
| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb, Anyone who is around to make that comment didn't go either :) | May 21 23:54 |
| ThistleWeb | when they insist on telling you to go to hell, ya finally assume they#ve clocked up enough points to authorise the transfer, so you assume that's where you've moved to | May 21 23:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] EFF is at @makerfaire Bay Area booth #112 all weekend! Stop by for a little open source Step Mania. | May 21 23:56 | |
| DaemonFC | it's not like he's the first crazy old guy attention whore who gave an end of the world date that came and went | May 21 23:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @wayneborean yep, it makes itself irrelevant with the dumbass #paywall, I rarely click a #NYTimes link, & never share one | May 21 23:58 | |
| ThistleWeb | my only request is to have my coffin packed with marshmallows instead of packing foam, so I can take advantage of the many fires situated around the place | May 21 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | Can mine be filled with popcorn kernels then? | May 21 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | I want my corpse stuffed with them too | May 21 23:59 |
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