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| *MinceR has no use for a coffin | May 22 00:01 | |
| ThistleWeb | my plan was for a nice long supply of goodies to skewer on the ends of sticks, campfire style | May 22 00:01 |
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| ThistleWeb | marshmallows seem the obvious choice | May 22 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | I want to be stuffed with popcorn kernels and cremated. There you go. Instant snack for all in attendance. | May 22 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TONacHAwp-8 | May 22 00:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Nirvana (unplugged) - Jesus doesn't want me for a sunbeam .::. Size~: 119.16 KB | May 22 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9TGj2jrJk8 | May 22 00:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Led Zeppelin-Stairway to Heaven .::. Size~: 113.89 KB | May 22 00:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @gabe "Apparently, The Rapture was hosted on Amazon EC2 and was pulled for a TOS violation last night." #cloud #fail !q | May 22 00:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "The rapture misread, could have been" - Reverend Yoda at a press conference the day after there should be no planet left | May 22 00:10 | |
| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb, He'll keep spitting out new dates. These kooks always say they just got the calculation wrong. | May 22 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | History shows us that these people attract large followings no matter how many times they're wrong. | May 22 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | Jesus is speaking to an 85 year old man in Florida. (Who needs his dosage checked.) | May 22 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 22 00:14 |
| schestowitz | thunderbird fixed global search in linux in 3.1 | May 22 00:15 |
| schestowitz | it also seems to improve startup time | May 22 00:15 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: what version are you on? | May 22 00:15 |
| schestowitz | I updradd to 3.1 today. Loving it so far. | May 22 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Starts about 10 times faster after that apparent bugfix | May 22 00:16 |
| schestowitz | It is also compatible with all the major things (which is why I didn't upgrade immediately) | May 22 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Just force compatibility, usually works | May 22 00:17 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: ping | May 22 00:20 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: does it not still requireb editing text files? | May 22 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | the nightly Testing Tools add-on can give you a toggle for it | May 22 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Nah... thanks, though. I didn't know about it | May 22 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Actually... | May 22 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Let me recheck | May 22 00:21 |
| schestowitz | How about FF 5? | May 22 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | What about it? | May 22 00:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Live cam for huge protest gathering in Spain http://alturl.com/p549m | May 22 00:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: MotionLook on USTREAM: Directo desde La Puerta del Sol. Más de 6 millones de visitas a esta web. http://www.soltv.tv. .::. Size~: 54.99 KB | May 22 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Yay. | May 22 00:23 |
| schestowitz | My pet bug in TB is fixed | May 22 00:23 |
| schestowitz | One that caused crashes | May 22 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Actually, both are fixed | May 22 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Global search too! | May 22 00:23 |
| schestowitz | and thunderbird is a lot faster | May 22 00:24 |
| schestowitz | I thought I should tell _Goblin if he hasn't adopted the latest yet | May 22 00:24 |
| schestowitz | I see many of my colleagues use thunderbird too | May 22 00:24 |
| schestowitz | I wonder just how many users this program really has | May 22 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | More than Lookout Distress? | May 22 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | Idiot Exploiter isn't doing well these days either (Mostly thanks to Chrome and Firefox) | May 22 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | What's funny is that Microsoft has to support Outlook Express until August 2014 because it's a "part of Windows XP" And you know businesses will be using Windows XP after it's out of support | May 22 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | sad that an email client that hasn't changed in 20 years could have any users | May 22 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | and the same macro viruses still work in it | May 22 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | Before XP SP2, Outlook would just open malicious VBS files, now it asks the clueless idiot behind the keyboard what to do. (Hardly any better) | May 22 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | even though they are called something else, Windows Mail (Vista) and Windows Live Mail (Windows Live Essentials) still do the same thing and are vulnerable to the same attacks that work in Outlook Express | May 22 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | I've been forced to use Outlook before for work. Just because my employers were pinheads that thought "standardizing" on Microsoft crapware was the "thing to do" | May 22 00:31 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | May 22 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | so even though Microsoft promises that Windows Mail can import Outlook Express profiles, it doesn't always | May 22 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | and I lost everything (and had to send out a mass CC to everyone on my contacts asking them to resend anything they sent me lately) | May 22 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | what a mess | May 22 00:38 |
| schestowitz | PS heaven | May 22 00:39 |
| schestowitz | PST heaven | May 22 00:39 |
| schestowitz | [00:31] <DaemonFC> I've been forced to use Outlook before for work. Just because my employers were pinheads that thought "standardizing" on Microsoft crapware was the "thing to do" | May 22 00:39 |
| schestowitz | But you too standardised on them | May 22 00:39 |
| schestowitz | They made you "Am V Pee" for it | May 22 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | I never used Outlook unless I had to | May 22 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | ewww | May 22 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | well, at least not in this century | May 22 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 22 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I converted my Outlook Express stuff to Netscape mail, then to Mozilla Mail, then to Thunderbird, then copied that profile over to Linux so I still have email from the 90s in Thunderbird | May 22 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | Mozilla does a better job importing mail from Outlook than later versions of Outlook (under whatever name Ballmers uses for it this time) | May 22 00:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] me avisaram e verifiquei que a #GVT tá bloqueando piratebay.org, quem mais da GVT confirma? alguém fora da GVT? | May 22 00:45 | |
| MinceR | gn | May 22 00:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] anyone from piratebay.org who could help investigate/prove that a big .br broadband provider (GVT) is blocking access to it? | May 22 00:46 | |
| _Goblin | schestowitz, thanks for letting me know. | May 22 00:48 |
| _Goblin | time for bed I think | May 22 00:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] And thats me done for the night...... | May 22 00:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] tavam certos, hoje é mesmo o fim do mundo: da #GVT não dá pra acessar piratebay.org! | May 22 00:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @lxoliva Oi, tenta http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ pra ver se está down mesmo. | May 22 00:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @lxoliva Cara, tá esquisito isso. O meu provedor é a VIACABO e também não estou conseguindo acessar. :-( | May 22 00:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] AFAICT piratebay.org doesn't respond to ICMP ECHO; how come the #GVT technician said it succeeded on his ping tests (on Windows)? | May 22 01:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @lxoliva Ué, daqui o traceroute passa da GVT, mas para num IP de fora do pais: 194.14.56.2, que pelo whois, é do partido Pirata | May 22 01:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @lxoliva Pelo menos BT Junkie e o Torrentz.eu estão funcionando... :-) | May 22 01:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 174 million downloads on 2011-05-22 00:22 UTC | May 22 01:26 | |
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| DaemonFC | RE: Debian shipping with Mono. It's quite sad really that Red Hat's commercial Linux distribution is more free than Debian. | May 22 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | Probably because Red Hat has deep pockets, fears being sued, and doesn't have shills pimping out Windows API | May 22 01:47 |
| schestowitz | it had them | May 22 01:47 |
| schestowitz | in Feodra, they got pushed out | May 22 01:47 |
| schestowitz | david Nielsen for example | May 22 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the one lobbying for Banshee by default. Even after the desktop team rejected it, he went to FESCO and tried to get them to overrule the desktop team. (Which really isn't what they're there to do.) | May 22 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | He finally gave up. | May 22 01:48 |
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| DaemonFC | FESCO usually overrules decisions that place Fedora at risk, not overrule decisions that keep patent violations out. | May 22 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | you never ever see anyone with an @redhat email address working on anything Mono-related | May 22 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Pinta still has that problem where it keeps taking more and more RAM and the more operations you do, the bigger it becomes. (Infinite undo-related) | May 22 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | Even if you clear the undos, it doesn't free RAM until you close and reopen it | May 22 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | Next Ubuntu will probably have it. They already ousted The Gimp a couple releases ago, which is just sickening. I think at the time the line was "F-Spot has enough image editing features for the typical user", but now there's no F-Spot and nothing that can edit images at all on the default install | May 22 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | Shipping a desktop OS without any image editing support at all is just stupid. | May 22 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | remove the Gimp, replace it with a patent infringement that leaks lots of RAM. I can see Ubuntu doing that. | May 22 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I see you're trying to play an MP3, would you like to buy the Fluendo Codec Pack? | May 22 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, For a while, they had Fedora pimping out their codec pack when you tried to play media files | May 22 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | I found it odd that I was being taken to a site that sells codecs in Euros | May 22 02:00 |
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| schestowitz | [01:52] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, Pinta still has that problem where it keeps taking more and more RAM and the more operations you do, the bigger it becomes. (Infinite undo-related) | May 22 02:04 |
| schestowitz | same problem in kate | May 22 02:04 |
| schestowitz | And I cannot flush the undo stack or limit it like I think I could do bfore | May 22 02:04 |
| schestowitz | So I need to close the application and reload the files from the profile | May 22 02:04 |
| schestowitz | otherwise my text editor can take over half a gig of RAM sometimes (big files) | May 22 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, You need UltraEdit lol | May 22 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 22 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | in KDE 3 you could clear the undo operations | May 22 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | they'll probably whip out the "But most users don't do what you're doing" shtick if you ask them about it | May 22 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | seems to be the prevailing attitude in a lot of projects anymore | May 22 02:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Annoying. #drwho is a two parter. Have to wait till next week now. ARGH! | May 22 02:11 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY | May 22 02:18 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Randall Ross is a total legend. I smell exciting times for the Ubuntu LoCo Community. #ubuntu | May 22 02:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Struggling to find the perfect gift for the Japanese person who has everything? http://is.gd/0huSZz but of course! #community #japan | May 22 02:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] On the day Jesus was set to come back and go all Chuck Norris on us, we instead bought a sofa. Wow, Erica and I are so suburban. | May 22 02:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @bkuhn @fontana, I don't believe in keeping consistent positions if one later discovers that his positions were previously wrong & ca ... | May 22 02:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !TechBytes Episode 47: Unity With the Wife http://is.gd/GEvp7Y #chromebook #unity #ubuntu #fedora #gnu #linux | May 22 02:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] #TechBytes Episode 47: Unity With the Wife http://is.gd/GEvp7Y #chromebook #unity #ubuntu #fedora #gnu #linux | May 22 02:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[techbytes/@techbytes] #TechBytes Episode 47: Unity With the Wife http://is.gd/GEvp7Y | May 22 02:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @fontana Florian #Mueller calls @bkuhn "Brad" http://is.gd/tte922 #interesting << self-legitimisation, "Brad is ma homeboy!" | May 22 02:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] .@fontana Bradley he calls "Brad", Moglen he called "Fidel", repeatedly. Don't be fooled. He treads carefully after #facebook #astroturfgate | May 22 02:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @fontana I suppose one man's "community tradition" is another's "GPL interpretation cartel". Sigh. @FOSSpatents http://ur1.ca/48t7j | May 22 02:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @fontana Seems reasonable, avoids grey area where ∄ license notice. Also, noting MIT is to Fedora, not to world+dog, not to Red Hat. @bkuhn | May 22 02:55 | |
| tessier_ | vim ftw | May 22 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, lets cam, 15/f/ny, whats ur MSN? LULZ!!!! | May 22 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | May 22 03:03 |
| schestowitz | and there I was thinking you were a dude | May 22 03:05 |
| schestowitz | anyway, gn | May 22 03:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @fontana Do you despise it for simply not being well-written, or for taking some mistaken stance? (I haven't read it) | May 22 03:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @clacke #OPL remarkably badly written, stuck in now-ancient historical moment, & actively encourages author/'publisher' to make nonfree | May 22 03:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @clacke I wouldn't say I "despise" #OPL. Rather I see it as an embarrassment. | May 22 03:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @clacke yes, #FPCA deliberately makes no reference to #Red_Hat ; #Fedora community potentially entire world though | May 22 03:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @fontana Amazing that nobody replied to that mail (on the mailing list, during that month and the next). Maybe they were stunned. | May 22 04:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @fontana Any licenses out there that contain "or later" clause in license text? Was under impression CCs did, but seems I was incorrect. | May 22 04:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @clacke wonder whether he has point about other #RPM libraries (that's how this came to my att'n), but what he did seems shockingly wrong | May 22 04:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @fontana Florian #Mueller calls @bkuhn "Brad" http://lwn.net/Articles/444056/ #interesting | May 22 04:16 | |
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| DaemonFC | I think it's petty of Google to keep Android 3 closed for the time being | May 22 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | are they actually distributing that? it's a GPL violation if they are | May 22 04:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Android Market's new movie rental service blocked from rooted devices | Android Central http://ping.fm/oTX3U | May 22 04:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] "Nothing is faster than the speed of light", nothing being empty space... the loophole of the big bang is semantics. | May 22 04:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @clacke as @bkuhn & I have discussed, many non-GPL licenses have built-in or-later clauses: e.g. #MPL & descendants, #EPL family, #CC family | May 22 04:20 | |
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| DaemonFC | you can't just declare Linux and god knows what else to be proprietary software (though plenty of Android tablets from smaller manufacturers get away with it because they're based in China) | May 22 04:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @x11r5 i'm in denial about my crazy friends jerry, george, elaine, and kramer | May 22 04:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @x11r5 i'm in denial about my crazy friends jerry, george, elaine, and kramer | May 22 04:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] http://ur1.ca/30c7z made me realize why some people get headaches from 3D movies. They don't have my type of oversightedness. /via @egil | May 22 04:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @fontana You mean the other dependencies of the rpm software? | May 22 04:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @fontana Think I heard it on !faifcast. But http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode EORLATERNOTFOUND, correct me if I am wrong. | May 22 04:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @clacke Seems to just be in BY-SA (which makes sense) but only applies to 'Adaptations' so "or later" inapplicable to unmodified original | May 22 05:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @clacke question came up about licensing of librpmdb and librpmio vs. librpm, which are all built from rpm source pkg in Fedora/RHEL | May 22 05:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @silner !Android Market's new movie rental service blocked from rooted devices | Android Central http://ping.fm/oTX3U | May 22 06:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Isn't this an abuse of the Code of Disco Balls? http://www.mrbrown.com/.a/6a00d83451b52369e2015432365667970c-popup #sgpolitics | May 22 06:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] #Linux #kernel 2.6.38.7 released http://bit.ly/iBOWw4 #mustupgrade | May 22 06:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Somebody up to create a twelephone.com for !identica? code of this: https://github.com/phono/Twelephone #identiphone | May 22 07:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Regele Mihai i-a primit pe motociclişti la Palat FOTO http://is.gd/HgXEGS #romania #monarchy #mihai | May 22 07:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @clacke the convoluted anti !gpl arguments... Or do you mean you've been so lucky as to not have been therekoved yet? ;) | May 22 08:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Byron Sonne: Canadian security geek jailed for taunting G20 security theatre http://ur1.ca/48xsh | May 22 08:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] NC Governor Allows Anti-Community-Broadband Law http://ur1.ca/48xsj #terrorists | May 22 08:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Warner Bros. Forced To Fight For Fair Use http://ur1.ca/48xsl | May 22 08:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Explosion At Foxconn Factory Kills 2, Injures 16 http://ur1.ca/48pn2 #apple == #terrorists | May 22 08:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @clacke you mean you don't see the similar anti gpl arguments or that you haven't ever been therekoved yet? | May 22 08:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/74123277 | May 22 08:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Wayne Borean (wayneborean)'s status on Sunday, 22-May-11 03:06:40 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I love my job. | May 22 08:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @clacke sorry for the duplicate messages but I thought mustard had an error and didn't post the first one. | May 22 08:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[techbytes/@techbytes] New !techbytes episode now online http://is.gd/GEvp7Y http://is.gd/GuNEq8d | May 22 08:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New #techbytes episode now online http://is.gd/GEvp7Y http://is.gd/GuNEq8d | May 22 08:56 | |
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| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/74128880 | May 22 08:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @kronik's status on Sunday, 22-May-11 05:27:43 UTC - Identi.ca: OPINION > http://is.gd/iWqOto > Identi.ca Helps Determine Who Cares About Software Freedom @Schestowitz | May 22 08:57 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Opportunity has now traveled almost 19 miles http://ur1.ca/48xx7 !science | May 22 09:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] U.S. Government Starts New Round of ‘Pirate’ Domain Seizures http://ur1.ca/48xyx | May 22 09:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Is graphene a miracle material? http://ur1.ca/48xzx !science | May 22 09:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC News - Is graphene a miracle material? .::. Size~: 66.82 KB | May 22 09:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The War on #Sharing - http://rww.to/lgvNuJ the recording industries' contempt for its customers continues to grow | May 22 09:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] U.S. Government Starts New Round of ‘#Pirate’ Domain #Seizures - http://bit.ly/lwaQPh definitely flavour of the month | May 22 09:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The War on Sharing [Infographic] - ReadWriteCloud .::. Size~: 43.86 KB | May 22 09:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: U.S. Government Starts New Round of ‘Pirate’ Domain Seizures | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 26.58 KB | May 22 09:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How Dominique Strauss-Kahn's arrest awoke a dormant anger in the heart of #France's #women - http://bit.ly/maylbR fascinating | May 22 09:26 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How Dominique Strauss-Kahn's arrest awoke a dormant anger in the heart of France's women | World news | The Observer .::. Size~: 237.53 KB | May 22 09:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The stupidity of our #copyright laws is finally laid bare - http://bit.ly/lAYsDi more relections on #hargreaves | May 22 09:35 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The stupidity of our copyright laws is finally laid bare | Technology | The Observer .::. Size~: 143.59 KB | May 22 09:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Denting from the shell | May 22 09:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Cyanogen Modders Make #Android Work the Way You Want - http://bit.ly/mdzgBP openness + "access to the phone’s naughty bits" = fun + power | May 22 09:48 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Modders Make Android Work the Way You Want | Gadget Lab | Wired.com .::. Size~: 983.87 KB | May 22 09:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Tech Talk and the Active Ebook - http://bit.ly/ivhV3a deep & important meditation on the future of #ebooks - & #writing (v @mmasnick) | May 22 09:56 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: A Newbie's Guide to Publishing: Tech Talk and the Active Ebook .::. Size~: 556 KB | May 22 09:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Another dent from the cli | May 22 09:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[piracy/@piracy] #FreeAiWeiwei The Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVYvPRM7fQI #tpn #anon #chineserevolution #democraciarealya | May 22 10:00 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Nemesis-Ai Weiwei: The Elusiveness of Being. By Geandy Pavon .::. Size~: 103.17 KB | May 22 10:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Whats up with Guardiola & his players suddenly starting to admire/respect !ManUtd as well as the manager & players http://ur1.ca/48ydz | May 22 10:06 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Pep reveals Utd admiration | Football News | Sky Sports .::. Size~: 100.76 KB | May 22 10:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Twitter and #WikiLeaks have made a mockery of the courts - http://bit.ly/jKT6iA good summary, sensible commentary #privacy #libel | May 22 10:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: As Twitter and WikiLeaks make a mockery of the high court, is this the end of privacy as we know it? | Media | The Observer .::. Size~: 96.43 KB | May 22 10:53 |
| *Judas_PhD (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) has joined #techrights | May 22 10:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] God. All chicks in music look like Lady Gaga these days.... Terrible. | May 22 11:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] The Fab Podcast Recommendation Engine ♺ @syntax: Listening to #theshaft. Thanks for recommending it, @fabsh :D | May 22 11:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Boy George on on the A Team. Awesomeness! :D | May 22 11:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #China's navy to assert might with bigger flags - http://bit.ly/kOKoCt I *do* love a bit of symbolism (v @blakehounshell @markmackinnon) | May 22 11:06 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: China's navy to assert might with bigger flags - Telegraph .::. Size~: 69.19 KB | May 22 11:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @michuk: Polish police forces closed down a blog publishing parodies on president Komorowski (mainly photoshop work with comments). | May 22 11:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @Reem_Wael @birgittaj Mass drive for women in #SaudiArabia on June17 - http://bit.ly/iHc5of >>great idea: "driving" the #arab revolution | May 22 11:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @LIBEReurope: The Bodleian Libraries is running a survey to find out what Oxford researchers think about #openaccess. Deadline 3 June ... | May 22 11:41 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Saudi woman detained for driving - Middle East - Al Jazeera English .::. Size~: 106.2 KB | May 22 11:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @fontana Ok. That's an interesting distinction. | May 22 11:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] If I lived in Bremen, I'd be voting Pirate Party today. #servergate | May 22 12:01 | |
| MinceR | http://redd.it/hfo5p | May 22 12:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Apple doesn't love you they just want your money via reddit.com .::. Size~: 1.65 KB | May 22 12:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft is in a Freefall, IBM Surpasses it in Value http://is.gd/HGORdb #ibm #microsoft #windows #office #bpos | May 22 12:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Microsoft is in a Freefall, IBM Surpasses it in Value http://is.gd/HGORdb #monopoly #cashcow #bigblue | May 22 12:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Am I awake yet? | May 22 12:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] German Police Seizes Pirate Party Servers http://lxnews.org/2011/05/22/police-seizes-pirate-party-servers/ | May 22 12:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @lxnews: German Police Seizes Pirate Party Servers http://lxnews.org/2011/05/22/police-seizes-pirate-party-servers/ #servergate | May 22 12:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Novell’s Takeover Smells Ever More Dodgy as Wizard Parent LLC Provides Shady Financing http://is.gd/diHH3Z #novell #WizardParent #attachmate | May 22 12:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Novell’s Takeover Smells Ever More Dodgy as Wizard Parent LLC Provides Shady Financing http://is.gd/diHH3Z #suse #microsoft #attachmsft | May 22 12:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Unsurprisingly, !LO 206 has very few Ogg downloads and much more MP3 ones than usual which in the end gives it more downloads than most eps. | May 22 12:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !LO coming up to 1.5 million downloads via Libsyn now.... | May 22 12:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Hovsepian, Russell, O’Keefe, Shah, Hale, Kavanagh, Semel, Ebzery and Many Others Leave Novell http://is.gd/1gwKTS #novell #exodus | May 22 13:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Hovsepian, Russell, O’Keefe, Shah, Hale, Kavanagh, Semel, Ebzery and Many Others Leave Novell http://is.gd/1gwKTS | May 22 13:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Min första reaktion när jag hörde Gustav Fridolin tala var "Varför pratar Jimmie Åkesson om (mp)?". Det här kommer att bli förvirrande. | May 22 13:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] What Happens to the #Novell Boycott http://is.gd/cK6tbX !techrights | May 22 13:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What Happens to the !Novell Boycott http://is.gd/cK6tbX #techrights | May 22 13:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Thunderstorms. Finally the right weather to stay home and hang around the computer all day which was my plan all along. :) | May 22 13:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Rain! :D | May 22 13:35 | |
| *nisshh has quit (Quit: DuckDuckGo is there for a reason, USE IT!) | May 22 13:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Novell Ebbing in Attachmate’s Hands http://is.gd/eHhxsu #microsoft #attachmsft | May 22 13:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Novell Ebbing in Attachmate’s Hands http://is.gd/eHhxsu #swpats #smft | May 22 13:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @clacke Different hats would require different brains, too | May 22 14:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @ruv Wow, #Alibaba shows almost 4,000 different OEM models of #tablets available from various Chinese manufactures http://ruv.net/a/r1 | May 22 14:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @ruv Wow, #Alibaba shows almost 4,000 different OEM models of #tablets available from various Chinese manufactures http://ruv.net/a/r1 | May 22 14:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @syntax: Funny about the #ogg debate. I started listening to !lo because you had a Minecraft server, then because of LO I installed Linux, | May 22 14:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Eric Doyle: #Novell ’s Bright Hopes for #SUSE Failed to Shine http://is.gd/A4reRO #opensuse #ibm #microsoft #redhat #gnu #linux | May 22 14:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Eric Doyle: Novell ’s Bright Hopes for SUSE Failed to Shine http://is.gd/A4reRO #attachmate #monopoly #swpats | May 22 14:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @clacke What I was saying was, a conflict of interest arises | May 22 14:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Huduma crowdsources reports on government effectiveness in #Kenya - http://tnw.co/j8XXpz based on #Ushahidi of course | May 22 14:16 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Huduma crowdsources reports on government effectiveness in Kenya - TNW Africa .::. Size~: 76.7 KB | May 22 14:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Amazon '1-click' patent: now #Australia rules - http://bit.ly/lB4BeP interesting summary: many claims deemed invalid... | May 22 14:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @stav !onthisdate in 2008 @evan dented the 1st notice ever on !identica "This is my first post." http://identi.ca/notice/1 | May 22 14:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The IPKat: Amazon '1-click' patent: now Australia rules .::. Size~: 120.74 KB | May 22 14:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Evan Prodromou (evan)'s status on Sunday, 18-May-08 15:49:33 UTC - Identi.ca: This is my first post. | May 22 14:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Looking forward to ICANN's meeting in SIngapore Jun 19-24. Major issues to be discussed - http://ur1.ca/48znm | May 22 14:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: High Noon in Singapore? ICANN's new gTLD program at a crossroads | News and analysis from .nxt .::. Size~: 56.46 KB | May 22 14:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] All this fracking lava is impeding my construction process, but at least I found 4 more diamonds. !miners | May 22 14:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[techbytes/@techbytes] Recording Audio and Video Calls Using Free Software and SIP http://is.gd/wxC5WW #skype #sip !techbytes #voip #ekiga #linphone #asterisk | May 22 14:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bytesmedia/@bytesmedia] Recording Audio and Video Calls Using Free Software and SIP http://is.gd/wxC5WW #survey #telephony | May 22 14:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Recording Audio and Video Calls Using Free Software and SIP http://is.gd/wxC5WW #mumble #qt #gtk #sipcommunicator | May 22 14:40 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bytes Media - Recording Audio and Video Calls Using Free Software and SIP .::. Size~: 47.43 KB | May 22 14:40 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Pro #Minecraft tip: There's always lots of resources around lava. !miners | May 22 14:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New Linux Laptop from ERACC – Self-Review http://is.gd/Vh0NXA #gnu #linux #desktop | May 22 14:46 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: New Linux Laptop from ERACC – Self-Review « The ERACC Web Log .::. Size~: 101.08 KB | May 22 14:47 |
| *sebsebseb (~3seb@unaffiliated/sebsebseb) has joined #techrights | May 22 14:48 | |
| sebsebseb | hi | May 22 14:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Linux Desktop vs. The Rise of Tablet Computers and Smartphones http://is.gd/zN86Te great times for #gnu #linux amid disruptions in market | May 22 14:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Recommended Linux productivity software http://is.gd/kr7QNd "some of you may find the compilation useful." | May 22 14:48 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux Desktop vs. The Rise of Tablet Computers and Smartphones | TechSource .::. Size~: 91.77 KB | May 22 14:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] \Firefox 5 Beta Is Here, What’s New? http://is.gd/FH5eTg | May 22 14:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] I upgraded to #Thunderbird 3.1 yesterday, now that all my ~20 plugins are compatible. 3.1 is great: more stable, lighter, better features | May 22 14:52 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Firefox 5 Beta Is Here, What’s New? .::. Size~: 46.54 KB | May 22 14:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Read-only nation: can Open Source change the British way? http://is.gd/d8lAUv Lucy Sherriff puts sanity in the mostly-lost El Reg | May 22 14:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Read-only nation: can Open Source change the British way? • The Register .::. Size~: 27.62 KB | May 22 14:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @zoobab The software, cooked up by IBM Research, is based on Hadoop and more than 50 Big Blue patents http://ur1.ca/48pep | May 22 14:58 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: IBM launches Hadoop-based analytics software, big data services | ZDNet .::. Size~: 101.49 KB | May 22 14:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Judgmental - http://bit.ly/lcsEdf "to make UK case law available, searchable and usable". wonderful idea - but note #copyright issues, again | May 22 15:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Fedora Greeters http://is.gd/2MjSdQ "the need for Fedora to be open and welcoming is more important now than ever." No trigger-happy. | May 22 15:06 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | May 22 15:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Fedora Greeters | Alex's Blog .::. Size~: 31.33 KB | May 22 15:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Mandriva Application Manager – New look & feel http://is.gd/f7GOTF | May 22 15:08 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mandriva Application Manager – New look & feel | Mandriva Blog .::. Size~: 32.34 KB | May 22 15:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] #beeroclock | May 22 15:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Fatal Error of Depending on ‘Proprietary’ Software http://is.gd/5r7spC Proprietary gamew from Ubuntu software center http://is.gd/WMgC2M | May 22 15:10 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Fatal Error of Depending on ‘Proprietary’ Software at Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 38.44 KB | May 22 15:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: » Linuxaria 4 Proprietary game from Ubuntu software center .::. Size~: 67.89 KB | May 22 15:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Mageia Linux Overview (rc) http://is.gd/6x0jap wow! | May 22 15:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Mageia RC1 is released! "Mandriva Fork" http://is.gd/vKmdgc we will do an interview with them in futute !techbytes | May 22 15:11 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Mageia Linux Overview (rc) .::. Size~: 111.95 KB | May 22 15:11 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Open-source platforms benefit developer and user http://is.gd/JZ1j2v #freesoftware | May 22 15:16 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Open-source platforms benefit developer and user - FederalTimes.com .::. Size~: 49.98 KB | May 22 15:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Meet Unico, The New GTK3 Theme Engine in #Ubuntu 11.10 http://is.gd/kkmImP moving forward, fast | May 22 15:20 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Meet Unico, The New GTK3 Theme Engine in Ubuntu 11.10 ~ Ubuntu Vibes .::. Size~: 113.23 KB | May 22 15:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Next-Generation Browser: No URL Bar http://is.gd/8nNxzF sounds reasonable, but creepy. Google already walks one step in this direction | May 22 15:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Next-Generation Browser: No URL Bar | ConceivablyTech .::. Size~: 43.56 KB | May 22 15:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] “We will pre-load well over 10 million PCs with #Ubuntu this year ... doubling users every year in India and China.” http://is.gd/TrO2MU | May 22 15:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Data From Canonical… at Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 32.31 KB | May 22 15:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] GNU/Linux revolution will hit countries like the US and UK last, due to influence of money. | May 22 15:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Meet the #krita Gang! http://is.gd/TzrhUo #kde #development | May 22 15:26 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | May 22 15:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Bumbleebee brings #NVIDIA Optimus graphics switching to #Linux http://is.gd/eCHRKn #graphics | May 22 15:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I think I just founded Fab's Lava Removal Co. :/ !miners | May 22 15:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @vinzv: Nah, Mandriva hat da in Sachen Design und Useability irgendwas nicht verstanden: http://ur1.ca/4903a | May 22 15:40 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mandriva Application Manager – New look & feel | Mandriva Blog .::. Size~: 32.34 KB | May 22 15:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Homeopathy, Magnets, and Quackery http://is.gd/kHVCmG quite a big industry where there is blind faith and ignorance. Sad. | May 22 15:46 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: SSS(11 of 14) Homeopathy, Magnets, and Quackery .::. Size~: 5.43 KB | May 22 15:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/HuntFlat/status/72306024857608192 | May 22 15:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @HuntFlat: @schestowitz kept trying 2 like ubuntu but never got there, mint works like a dream in comparison. | May 22 15:57 |
| schestowitz | I have it too | May 22 15:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/explodingwalrus/status/72310010650181633 | May 22 15:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @explodingwalrus: @schestowitz strange title since it goes on about Win and Mac onyl software aswell | May 22 15:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 22/5/2011: Mageia RC1 is Out, Canonical Expects Well Over 10 Million PCs with Ubuntu to Ship This Year http://is.gd/ZDm1Jm | May 22 15:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 22/5/2011: Mageia RC1 is Out, Canonical Expects Well Over 10 Million PCs with Ubuntu to Ship This Year http://is.gd/ZDm1Jm | May 22 15:58 | |
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| *BobJonkman (~BobJonkma@206-248-137-186.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #techrights | May 22 15:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Stable kernel 2.6.38.7 http://lwn.net/Articles/444147/rss | May 22 16:00 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/74162503 | May 22 16:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 22-May-11 13:47:14 UTC - Identi.ca: Will Mint be the new Ubuntu? http://is.gd/WWrNBV "This is to explain the stasis... It just works." #linuxmint #gnu #linux #canonical | May 22 16:03 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Geek&Poke: Show Your Kids The Beauty Of The Nature http://goo.gl/1ohEa | May 22 16:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Believers perplexed about the #Rapture? http://is.gd/iSJadr it's simpels, it's a scam, it was always a scam, it was NEVER gonna happen | May 22 16:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Seif Lotfy: Zeitgeist’s journey in the land of !KDE http://goo.gl/Ae3P7 | May 22 16:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] some poor sod spent $140,000 on advertising the #Rapture - I'm reminded of a saying - "a fool & his money", #Scientology like those people | May 22 16:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Silver Fox: An Interview with Matthew East http://goo.gl/zh4dI | May 22 16:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Harald Sitter: !Kubuntu 11.10 Mobile Devices Sneak Peak http://goo.gl/WyybT | May 22 16:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Launchpad News: Love from #Budapest http://goo.gl/vYUgQ | May 22 16:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Laura Czajkowski: Teams up for re approval Re-approvals for O-Cycle http://goo.gl/jLLNb !ubuntu #locoteams | May 22 16:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Mike Basinger: !Ubuntu !PowerUsers Branding http://goo.gl/rbVuS | May 22 16:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Laura Czajkowski: How #Natty CDs are distributed in the Ubuntu-ie LoCo http://goo.gl/2H6D1 !ubuntu #locoteams | May 22 16:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I wonder if the #Rapture asshats have found the excuse of "different time / date changes over the centuries" to say "we got the date wrong" | May 22 16:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @stromzufuhr: Damn! Minecraft Acid Trip Shader Mod: http://youtu.be/JpksyojwqzE | May 22 16:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] it is heartless to ask why extra suicide prevention is in place for the dejected #Rapture asshats? they are a net loss for the species | May 22 16:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @schestowitz: Homeopathy, Magnets, and Quackery http://is.gd/kHVCmG quite a big industry where there is blind faith and ignorance. Sad. | May 22 16:26 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: SSS(11 of 14) Homeopathy, Magnets, and Quackery .::. Size~: 5.43 KB | May 22 16:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @leapetra: via @TheOnion - Evolution to Occur Thursday http://t.co/uNKbKeW | May 22 16:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wow..... Our neighbour just brought us waffles. Oo | May 22 16:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] what kind of God fearing cult embraces death rather than life? #Rapture yeah, they always said God put you here to welcome death | May 22 16:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Yay, my blog is on Ubuntu Planet: http://goo.gl/0EyzB | May 22 16:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Cary Sherman, #RIAA, salary a mere $3,185,026 - http://bit.ly/lziLw7 hence this: http://bit.ly/iqJaFh (v @BoingBoing) #fatcats | May 22 16:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] hang on, "embracing death", isn't that what suicide bombers happily do? WHOOHOO, ama goin' ta heaven | May 22 16:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Are we compromising our crops' immune systems? - http://bit.ly/lXNyzr "industrial agriculture disrupts balance" (v @dcarli @Green_Print) | May 22 16:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks Jamaica launches http://jamaica-gleaner.com/ | May 22 16:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Sustaining open data business - http://bit.ly/jijJcA useful thoughts on business models #opendata | May 22 16:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange could share my fate - Hicks | Australian http://is.gd/SeXzwl | May 22 16:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] pic of the week: Sclater Street - http://bit.ly/ik3uBy beauty born of ugliness (v @londonist) #london #pix | May 22 16:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] !Techbytes 47 out now http://techrights.org/2011/05/21/techbytes-episode-47/ | May 22 16:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @reality: Google Docs is great for collaboration but it could do with a change history viewer | May 22 17:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @vinzv: RT @moppelkotzer #fdp 3% BWAHAAAHAAAAAAAAA *ggg* | May 22 17:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 175 million downloads on 2011-05-22 16:07 UTC | May 22 17:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] ASIO eye on WikiLeaks | The Age http://is.gd/lrjykZ | May 22 17:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Fully agree with Dr Tan Cheng Bok on why it is not right to name Jurong General after a donor. - http://ur1.ca/4914r #sgpolitics | May 22 17:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] It rains a lot. The server must be in the UK. ;) ♺ @stromzufuhr: entered the legendary realms of the !miners . Has been raining ever since. | May 22 17:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @vinzv: RT @jerryweyer: "Bürger in Wut" :D Und dann kritisiert man uns für unseren Namen :D #Piraten | May 22 17:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "the end of the world'(wa)s(n't) (last) nigh(t)" | May 22 17:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] pff... #GVT veio até aqui repetir meus testes com piratebay.org, apesar de eu ter dispensado visita, e concluiu que não é com ela | May 22 17:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] War on Sharing Infographic by Ash at Citizen Journalism http://ping.fm/VgYLS | May 22 17:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "the end of the world'(wa)s(n't) (last) nigh(t)" #fb | May 22 17:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Watching #DrStrangelove. | May 22 17:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Saudi & UAE sent M to fund madrasses in Pakistan http://is.gd/eILTwU | May 22 17:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ya kinda forget there's stuff higher up the table going on, the 5 way relegation merry ground is fascinating !football #England #PremLeague | May 22 17:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] 1st task for new Transport Minister: Force SBS Transit to have a public API of bus timings - http://ur1.ca/49173 #sgpolitics | May 22 17:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Scanned #Hargreaves report for the first time; disappointed by the disregard for the importance of culture as well as commerce. | May 22 17:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] No, !Wordpress, !Gpl does NOT need the user to press 'I Agree' to use an application, not even on !android | May 22 17:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Professional Writers and Microsoft Windows: http://bit.ly/jnesf9 #amwriting #MyWANA #windows #Linux #backup | May 22 17:40 | |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz, HI Roy, tonight there will be no interview due to a family commitment I forgot about and being unable to have a suitable time for the interview....This week will be no problem (evenings) so maybe Monday.......I'll be off an on all night, so its no good for a show/interview. | May 22 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: inteerview? the one of you interviewing Roy? | May 22 17:46 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, nope the GCT one | May 22 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: Also why has Gordon quit TebhBytes exactly? | May 22 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | GCT? the uhmm GTA game alternative? | May 22 17:47 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, he's going to be doing other things and develop interests of his own. | May 22 17:47 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, yep | May 22 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | such as? | May 22 17:47 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, not sure, he had talked about another show of his own, I know he was well recieved on the audiocast he participated on recently......he's a tallented guy, he can turn his hand to anything | May 22 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | hmm right well | May 22 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | to be honest the Roy and you epsidoes, were useualy the worst | May 22 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | having a 3rd person is a good thing | May 22 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | maybe Rusty for example? | May 22 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | oh and soon i'll listen to the latest episode :) | May 22 17:50 |
| _Goblin | Rusty will be with us for the next ep..... | May 22 18:04 |
| _Goblin | will be recorded next week | May 22 18:04 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: ok good :) | May 22 18:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "Gentlemen you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" | May 22 18:05 | |
| _Goblin | Thanks for your feedback.....a 3rd person is no real extra work.......although if you wanted 3 then you probably wont like my solo effort! | May 22 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: solo effort? | May 22 18:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Spain's Icelandic Revolt http://alturl.com/2mzcd | May 22 18:08 | |
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| _Goblin | sebsebseb, yeah - Byte.me | May 22 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: hmm | May 22 18:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] OPENBYTES: TechBytes Audiocast – Episode 47 – 21/05/11 – “Unity love…” http://is.gd/fnBSIf !techbytes | May 22 18:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @openattitude Desktop !Linux: “If it is there, people will use it.” | The Register http://ur1.ca/4919v | May 22 18:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Australia entered 'crisis mode' over WikiLeaks, deployed spies http://is.gd/YRzKgZ | May 22 18:13 | |
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| _Goblin | sebsebseb, hmm doesn't sound very impressed......it will hopefully be a more satirical look at the tech stories and personalities...... | May 22 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I didn't understand in the context what you meant by: yeah - Byte.me | May 22 18:14 |
| _Goblin | ah.... | May 22 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | seemed sarcastic or something to me | May 22 18:15 |
| _Goblin | techbytes.....is me and roy | May 22 18:15 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Liverpool missed out on Europa League? I can't help thinking this will give them a focussed platform next season, less strain on the squad | May 22 18:15 | |
| _Goblin | byte.me - is just me, but still under the Techbytes banner.....see? | May 22 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | ok sure, but wasn't that really what openbytes would have been? | May 22 18:15 |
| _Goblin | yeah but then it takes away from the fact that the solo show is still part of the group of collaboration efforts with Techrights and Roy. | May 22 18:16 |
| _Goblin | openbytes suggests just my sites show......its not, its just an extension of the one I do with Roy. | May 22 18:16 |
| _Goblin | If Roy did one, I suppose he could call it Tech.me ???? see the thought process? | May 22 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: Why does your wife like unity? | May 22 18:18 |
| _Goblin | a plethora of reasons | May 22 18:18 |
| _Goblin | 1. the UI | May 22 18:18 |
| _Goblin | 2. the OOB functionality | May 22 18:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Europa League seems like an awful lot of extra games for very little gain, while negatively impacting on the domestic league performance | May 22 18:18 | |
| sebsebseb | uh really Unity hardly does anything | May 22 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | that Ubuntu Classic Desktop doesn't do | May 22 18:19 |
| _Goblin | maybe not, but the desktop taste is very personal | May 22 18:19 |
| _Goblin | My wife felt particularly comfortable with Unity | May 22 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | the global menu , Ubuntu Classci Deskrtp doesnt' do, altough I think in develoment it did, but then it was decided not to | May 22 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | the top right patches sound menu and what not, yep that's in Ubuntu Classic Desktp | May 22 18:19 |
| _Goblin | which is good, as I have to consider my entire family using the main rig. | May 22 18:19 |
| _Goblin | global menu is something I'm not liking too much.... | May 22 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | so really about the only proper difference is that unity puts a dock down the left hand side of the screen, and has a global menu | May 22 18:20 |
| _Goblin | but keep in mind my wifes usage of the pc is very much "average" | May 22 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | also the whole idea of Unity is that it's meant to be aimed at people who are stupid at computers | May 22 18:20 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, I'd agree and arguably you could just create something very similar yourself. | May 22 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | so like some dent I saw before of schestowitz basically said, goblins wife likes Unity, so they must be doing something right | May 22 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | however it's still got the buttons on the left, which for example my older brother woudn't like | May 22 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | still probably, and in an odd order | May 22 18:21 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, really? So what about a coder who doesn't want to worry about the OS and just wants to code? I develop with Devpac.... the distro I use is merely a launchpad for tha. | May 22 18:21 |
| _Goblin | *that | May 22 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | and when the other computer used to run Ubuntu 10.04, so had the stuff on top right, for social networking and that, I treid tos how him, but he woudn't listen, he would be like i'll look around myself, but well he didn't use those features | May 22 18:22 |
| _Goblin | last time I checked "stupid at computers" people did not have much of a clue about 68k Asm | May 22 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: maybe you took offence to my useage of the word stupid there, not sure | May 22 18:23 |
| _Goblin | no, not at all | May 22 18:23 |
| _Goblin | I was saying that most people don't want to have to mess on with an OS if they have better things to do. | May 22 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | well I basicaly said that your weife was | May 22 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | stupid at computers | May 22 18:23 |
| _Goblin | Funnily enough we discussed this on the latest show | May 22 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | ,but well so is my older brother, and most computer users relaly | May 22 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | also yes I think the latest show probably talked about Unity actasully when you say it, since you blogged about it | May 22 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | and you probably mentioend gorodon leaving as well, i'll listen a bit later | May 22 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | from a user perspective Unity is sort of ok, needs more improving really | May 22 18:25 |
| _Goblin | I don't think we mentioned Gordon leaving......its not a big issue...he is free to leave and come back as a guest any time....as is anyone free to come on the show.. | May 22 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | from the technical perspecitve, Canonical shoudl sorto uut their copyright assignmetns lisnce agreement, so that deveopers of other distro's are more likely to contribute code to it as well, if shoipping it as an option for their distro | May 22 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | ,because right now, from everything I have read on the Internet about it, and all that, yes it's open source, but | May 22 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | if anyone contributes code to it, Canonical own the rights to all that code, which means they could even re lissne it as proprtiary software | May 22 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | now here's the thing even Free Software Foundation has copyright assgignments, but at least with them we can trust 100% that they won't do anythign bad with the code | May 22 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | also if upstream Gnome, wanted to adopt Unity, as far as I know, they can't do so whilst it has CA | May 22 18:26 |
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| sebsebseb | _Goblin: and really useually distro's should be providing Gnome Shell by default, and really users should be useually using that, because that's form the real upstrema, upstream Gnome :) | May 22 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | instead of Unity | May 22 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: Canonical play upstream with things like Unity, but also don't play upstream properly, because of their copyright assignemnts, basicalley, from what I know | May 22 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | however even so, I would like to see much more distributions providing Unity as an option in the near future :) | May 22 18:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] This is the kind of thread that makes me want to reconsider microblogging at all: http://is.gd/O2TNIi | May 22 18:36 | |
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| sebsebseb | and I could provide a OpenSuse and Unity update link, but you seem to have gone away anyway _Goblin | May 22 18:39 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] doh, @gregkh blocked me before I could compare ndis drivers running on a separate cpu with firmware blobs | May 22 18:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @glynmoody The stupidity of our #copyright laws is finally laid bare - http://bit.ly/lAYsDi more relections on #hargreaves | May 22 18:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @glynmoody #Cyanogen Modders Make #Android Work the Way You Want - http://bit.ly/mdzgBP openness + "access to the phone’s naughty bit ... | May 22 18:45 | |
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| ThistleWeb | -TRIdentica/#techrights- [lxoliva/@lxoliva] doh, @gregkh blocked me before I could compare ndis drivers running on a separate cpu with firmware blobs << rofl that's hilarious, some people act in a away that they must be well used to people blocking them | May 22 18:49 |
| ThistleWeb | it's not exactly a first time | May 22 18:50 |
| ThistleWeb | and nothing will deter them, or encourage them to act more mature | May 22 18:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] oh man, what a day http://coffee.jezra.net/coffee/20110522 #sip_and_click | May 22 18:58 | |
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| schestowitz | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1145157.html | May 22 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | How do I pipe these back into the KDE notifier? | May 22 18:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Gods I love this movie..... | May 22 19:00 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Hi Roy! | May 22 19:01 |
| schestowitz | hi | May 22 19:01 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: I was just listening to the very informative TechBytes 47, and noticed that the music is 26dB louder than the voices. | May 22 19:02 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, Im off and on the machine...... | May 22 19:02 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: This caused a problem, because I was listening to the show from another room and had the volume turned up so I could hear you guys clearly. | May 22 19:02 |
| msb_ | And when the music came on my speaker cones blew out of the boxes and embedded themselves in the opposite wall! | May 22 19:03 |
| msb_ | Not really. | May 22 19:03 |
| msb_ | But it was much too loud. | May 22 19:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @offray @000paradox000 Why !Archlinux http://ur1.ca/491oj | May 22 19:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] If you act like an arrogant self righteous prick, always butting in to lecture people, they will block you. It's not rocket science | May 22 19:03 | |
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| schestowitz | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1320298 | May 22 19:03 |
| schestowitz | aha | May 22 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [kde] How to make GTK aps use QT Curve after plasma crash - Ubuntu Forums .::. Size~: 61.01 KB | May 22 19:03 |
| schestowitz | msb_: yeah | May 22 19:04 |
| schestowitz | I saw that problem | May 22 19:04 |
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| _Goblin | sebsebseb, re: playing upstream.....my question to you would be this......Why would the average computer user care? - Now that sounds bad, but the point I'm making is that for the vast majority of Ubuntu users you have people who want a working reliable system...the deeper concepts that are discussed here are of no concern to the average user, the average user which I hasten to add makes up the vast majority of any platform userbas | May 22 19:04 |
| _Goblin | e. | May 22 19:04 |
| schestowitz | I should readjust music volume | May 22 19:04 |
| schestowitz | it's the way the volume was in the files | May 22 19:04 |
| schestowitz | I ought to have modified it | May 22 19:04 |
| msb_ | You probably have a software VU meter, so if you can keep a more or less constant level it would be good. | May 22 19:05 |
| schestowitz | I will do next time, to ensure it stays stable | May 22 19:05 |
| schestowitz | yes | May 22 19:05 |
| msb_ | Thanks! | May 22 19:05 |
| schestowitz | There's also a noise leveler filter | May 22 19:05 |
| schestowitz | But this can be done manually in an instance | May 22 19:05 |
| _Goblin | you can just invoke normalisation for the whole track (I assume) | May 22 19:05 |
| schestowitz | yes | May 22 19:05 |
| schestowitz | But I once tried filters | May 22 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Like click removal | May 22 19:05 |
| schestowitz | And it shaved off your voice | May 22 19:06 |
| schestowitz | it's hard to say what these really do without before/after tests | May 22 19:06 |
| msb_ | I think it's a volume compressor/limiter that you'd want. | May 22 19:11 |
| _Goblin | havent listened to ep47 yet....... | May 22 19:11 |
| _Goblin | to pick appart my comentary | May 22 19:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Another Icelandic volcano? I'm thinking the gods have it in for !OggCamp Oo | May 22 19:11 | |
| _Goblin | very annoying click during the show | May 22 19:13 |
| _Goblin | every 6 seconds or so | May 22 19:13 |
| _Goblin | more of a tick... | May 22 19:13 |
| _Goblin | very noticable.... | May 22 19:13 |
| msb_ | Didn't really notice any tick/click myself. | May 22 19:14 |
| ThistleWeb | I didn't hear any of that when listening | May 22 19:14 |
| ThistleWeb | I did notice something that may come back to haunt you though, unless I misheard roy near the end | May 22 19:14 |
| _Goblin | ? | May 22 19:14 |
| _Goblin | go for it..... | May 22 19:14 |
| msb_ | Although there was some weird distortion/modulation on one of the voices, a little like hearing it through a metal pipe. | May 22 19:14 |
| ThistleWeb | about how to get the attention of apple fans.....my intepretation of roys words were basically "we need to be more like flame bait to draw heat" | May 22 19:15 |
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| ThistleWeb | I could be wrong | May 22 19:15 |
| ThistleWeb | but that's how it came across | May 22 19:15 |
| msb_ | But it wasn't very strong and I soon got used to it, or maybe it went away. I think it was on Roy's voice. | May 22 19:15 |
| ThistleWeb | bryan does that in LAS, intentionally lay things out to get hits, to draw attention, draw heat | May 22 19:16 |
| _Goblin | i'll listen out for that. | May 22 19:16 |
| msb_ | Anyhow, I am now looking for the Babylon Project. And thanks to one of the links in this chat, about someone's preferred Linux productivity apps, I found the Okular pdf viewer, which is so much better than xpdf that takes forever to scroll. | May 22 19:17 |
| msb_ | Thanks! | May 22 19:17 |
| schestowitz | [19:15] <ThistleWeb> about how to get the attention of apple fans.....my intepretation of roys words were basically "we need to be more like flame bait to draw heat" | May 22 19:20 |
| schestowitz | What I meant was.. | May 22 19:20 |
| schestowitz | We don't need to silence ourself/self-censor | May 22 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Rather, to help them see how foolish they can be | May 22 19:20 |
| schestowitz | !google apple like religion | May 22 19:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - MRI Shows Apple Stimulates Fan's Brain Like Religion - The Consumerist | http://consumerist.com/2011/05/mri-shows-apple-stimulates-fans-brains-like-religion.html | May 22 19:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Author: Apple (and its branding) like a religion | Geek Gestalt ... | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10071553-52.html | May 22 19:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Apple like a religion | http://www.prefixmag.com/forum/prefix-forum/3405/ | May 22 19:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Apple fans react to computers like religion: BBC | The Raw Story | http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/21/apple-fans-react-to-computers-like-religion-bbc/ | May 22 19:20 |
| schestowitz | msb_: okular is fantastic | May 22 19:21 |
| ThistleWeb | k, I got the self censoring part, I agree, I just got the impression you meant going more of a flamebait way with apple to draw attention | May 22 19:21 |
| msb_ | Linux definitely stimulates my brain! | May 22 19:21 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: just not to be afraid to upset them | May 22 19:22 |
| ThistleWeb | k | May 22 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: the average computer user doesn't care about stuffl ike that sure, and the average computer users should ideally be educated better about computers, be that from people who know about them online, or Educational Eastablishments even, really Windows makes people quite ignorant at computers, and well to an extent Ubuntu is going to start doing that a bit more now as well | May 22 19:22 |
| schestowitz | just because someone might choose to be insulted doesn't mean it should not be said | May 22 19:22 |
| _Goblin | Since at least one COLA troll listened to the show I think it would have had a mention in COLA if they thought they could make anything of it....I'll have a listen,... | May 22 19:22 |
| ThistleWeb | true | May 22 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: to the extent in fact, that recently they decided to start an Ubuntu Power Users group | May 22 19:22 |
| schestowitz | [or just because drawing something might get one beheaded] | May 22 19:22 |
| msb_ | With my good directory layout and scripts for finding files and other purposes it's an important extension of my brain/mind. | May 22 19:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] is beheading a pint illegal? #humour | May 22 19:23 | |
| schestowitz | how about a Ubuntu PowerPC grouo | May 22 19:23 |
| schestowitz | !google ubuntu drops PPC | May 22 19:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Ubuntu decides to drop the PPC platform :: ppcnerds.org :: powerpc ... | http://www.ppcnerds.org/index.php%3Fname%3DNews%26file%3Darticle%26sid%3D364 | May 22 19:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - macbook eth0 "drops" connection [Archive] - Ubuntu Forums | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-251728.html | May 22 19:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Ubuntu to drop support for SPARC and IA64 arch | Linux on your ... | http://mac.linux.be/content/ubuntu-drop-support-sparc-and-ia64-arch | May 22 19:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - OMG! Ubuntu! | ppc | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/tag/ppc/ | May 22 19:23 |
| _Goblin | "the average computer users should ideally be educated better about computers" - Why? I don't want to know how my car engine works, I just want my car to run. If you try teaching me how to fix the engine, I wouldn't be interested. | May 22 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | !google ubuntu power users | May 22 19:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - 15 Great Ubuntu Tips For Linux Power Users | http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/15-great-tips-for-ubuntu-power-users/ | May 22 19:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - PowerUsers - Ubuntu Wiki | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerUsers | May 22 19:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Power Users Team - Ubuntu Forums | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php%3Ft%3D1762207 | May 22 19:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Creating An Ubuntu Power User Community | jonobacon@home | http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/05/18/creating-an-ubuntu-power-user-community/ | May 22 19:24 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: can you record 4ish tomorrow? | May 22 19:24 |
| _Goblin | 6ish no probs.....I'll be finishing work at 4 | May 22 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | [19:23] <_Goblin> "the average computer users should ideally be educated better about computers" - Why? I don't want to know how my car engine works, I just want my car to run. If you try teaching me how to fix the engine, I wouldn't be interested. | May 22 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Because you don't have the toolset | May 22 19:25 |
| schestowitz | But it's not bad to know how you car works | May 22 19:25 |
| schestowitz | As well as how to drive it | May 22 19:25 |
| msb_ | But for driving a car you need to know how the controls work, what traffic signs and lights mean, how to read a map, and various other things. | May 22 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Or how the MRI scanner works, not just its output | May 22 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: Why should they be educated more properly about computers, or to be more exact computer security, and no I don't mean how to install some sucky anti virus program, I mean how to keep it more secure without having one, and also maybe even the thing about how get the correct malware on there and that's it, cyber criminals now have access to the computer, even if you use anti virus to remove the virus that did that | May 22 19:26 |
| _Goblin | I was talking hypothetically and no its not bad, but the point was, If I use my car as a tool (like the vast majority of computer users do) then you are not going to get me interested in how my car engine works. | May 22 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: computer security in fact, I would agree, is maybe more important than teaching them how to use Microsoft Office, at least sometimes, at some educational place | May 22 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: you know botnets/zombiepc's, spam, cyber attacks, and so on | May 22 19:26 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, Its a nice idea, but then years of education about how to avoid other crimes merely makes the crime more sophisticated. | May 22 19:26 |
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| sebsebseb | also whilst I am at it, a Eductional Establimsnet should ideally teach more than one program for say the office suite, so for example Microsoft Office and OpenOffice/LibreOffice | May 22 19:27 |
| msb_ | One cannot use a computer effectively without knowing about bytes, files, directories, apps, etc. | May 22 19:27 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, Computing comon sense - not compulsory computer understanding should be taught to those average users. | May 22 19:27 |
| sebsebseb | and ideally more should have Linux computers as well as Windows, and in fact yes it's propritary, but I guess more should have Macs that can afford it, give the users choice of programs :) | May 22 19:27 |
| _Goblin | msb_, unless of course your use is limited to surfing the net, sending emails and chatting on facebook | May 22 19:27 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: when it comes to computer security, they say people should have an an anti virus, and maybe something about when to upgrade it, and well that's it really | May 22 19:28 |
| _Goblin | theres not much call to understand INT 21 when posting on facebook | May 22 19:28 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, thats the shovelware you get when you buy a Windows PC......its called Norton ...or similar | May 22 19:28 |
| msb_ | I doubt there's much call to understanding anything when posting on facebook. | May 22 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: anti virus programs are a joke, they don't prevent the malware from getting on there in the first place, and get the correct malware on there and that's it cyber criminals now have access to the computer, if it's online, and remove the virus or whatever that did that, and they still have access | May 22 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | in fact most of the Windows security industry very much so, is about taking advantage of computer ignorance | May 22 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | whilst making loads of money doing so | May 22 19:29 |
| _Goblin | _msb, exactly, and its those users who make up a vast majority.... | May 22 19:29 |
| ThistleWeb | if you make it manditory to totally understand how something works before you use it, imagine the education system, leaving school at 25 would be for the brainiacs | May 22 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | and espesaily in these kind of couneries useually, so UK, USA, and other deveoped counteries, yep very much so locked into propritary software, be that, in a educatioanl establisment or the average work place, what ashame | May 22 19:30 |
| _Goblin | you can't get them to learn something they have no interest in...the computer to them is like a toaster, it performs a task and they could care less about the steps it takes to get there. | May 22 19:30 |
| ThistleWeb | can't use a cooker unless you know how it works, how to fix it, how gas works etc | May 22 19:30 |
| ThistleWeb | can't use a dvd player unless you know how the laser works | May 22 19:30 |
| ThistleWeb | how the eject mechanism spits the drawer out | May 22 19:30 |
| ThistleWeb | can't use a TV unless you know how the picture gets onto the screen | May 22 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: ok I see what you mean, but surely they should teach some of the computer stuff better? | May 22 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: plus I'll use you as an example, the BBC when they mention computer seucrity, don't tend to mention Windows which you don't like, well same kind of thing then, why should they? | May 22 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | no TV and microwave that's ok, they are consumer devices | May 22 19:31 |
| _Goblin | how it works would be comparable to running software...how to fix it? I don't know how to fix my gas cooker and even if I did, I'd rather pay someone to fix it. | May 22 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | a TV and a microwave can't just be taken over by someone malcious | May 22 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | where as a Internet connected computer can be | May 22 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | that's the difference | May 22 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | the major difference | May 22 19:32 |
| msb_ | If you use a gas cooker without knowing why you should turn off the valve if the gas isn't lit, then you could have a problem. | May 22 19:32 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, but then you are more going down the line of computing crime prevention, not computing understanding. | May 22 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | as for a car, well that can kill people, so yes some sort of knowledge is meant to be had by the car driver, for safety | May 22 19:32 |
| _Goblin | so can computers..... | May 22 19:32 |
| ThistleWeb | there's one thing in learning how to use something as prescribed, which is why devices come with an instruction manual that nobody reads, and understanding how it works, that's for people who want to specialise in that skillset | May 22 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | car's killing people, and computers being used for cyber crime, are both bad things | May 22 19:32 |
| _Goblin | if a harrier jump jets computer crashes, it will drop like a brick....or fire off a salvo....or something.... | May 22 19:33 |
| ThistleWeb | _Goblin: relax, they have extra lives | May 22 19:33 |
| _Goblin | ah | May 22 19:33 |
| _Goblin | thats ok then | May 22 19:33 |
| ThistleWeb | erm..... | May 22 19:33 |
| sebsebseb | computer security should be ideally taken much more seriosuly by Educational Establisments, by teaching them, the kind of things we know, stuff about how the virus sc anner is rather useless and doesn't prevent malware on the computer, and what can happen to the computer when it's on there, and that kind of thing you know | May 22 19:34 |
| sebsebseb | ,but instead they take the easy ignorant way out, and suggest an anti virus and anti spyware program possbily, and well that's that | May 22 19:34 |
| _Goblin | theres a thought.......flying a Harrier running Windows Vista.... you'd need balls of steal for that one. | May 22 19:34 |
| ThistleWeb | teaching the basics for maintenence is a good thing, which includes being able to keep an eye on water levels etc in your car, or not clicking on dodgy links in a computer | May 22 19:34 |
| _Goblin | computing common sense | May 22 19:34 |
| _Goblin | I agree | May 22 19:34 |
| ThistleWeb | exactly | May 22 19:34 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: teaching proper basics of computer security is a good thing | May 22 19:35 |
| _Goblin | But people don't have to know how malware works, just how to not be a victim of it,. | May 22 19:35 |
| schestowitz | " | May 22 19:35 |
| sebsebseb | which Eductaonl Establisments don't tend to do at the moment | May 22 19:35 |
| schestowitz | So whatever message Flatty wants to get across, thanks, please keep it | May 22 19:35 |
| schestowitz | up. People are listening. | May 22 19:35 |
| ThistleWeb | I've always said using a computer is not difficult, it's designed not to be dificult | May 22 19:35 |
| schestowitz | " | May 22 19:35 |
| schestowitz | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/4143349bae81da8e# LOL | May 22 19:35 |
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| sebsebseb | telling someone to use some stupid anti virus program to keep their computer secure, that's total rubbish | May 22 19:35 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, the problem is that the malware that does the most damage is the stuff that gets discovered after the fact. | May 22 19:35 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, its hard to combat that wwhich hasn't been identified yet. | May 22 19:35 |
| _Goblin | and that goes for scams et al | May 22 19:36 |
| ThistleWeb | sebsebseb: it's better than telling them they don't need it, specially when they're forced to choose windows, windows or windows | May 22 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | if it's a trojan in the Windows install then probably ok really, I mean apparnatly those are useless, unless the user runs them | May 22 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | if it's a worm, then it can do loasd of things without being run by the user | May 22 19:36 |
| ThistleWeb | telling them they don't need it makes them join a botnet even faster | May 22 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: maybe so, but educating a bit about how to keep it securei n the first place would be better :) | May 22 19:36 |
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| msb_ | On a higher level, it's very important for people to learn to think. Otherwise they will continue to believe the Matrix lies like 9/11 and Bin Laden being killed recently, and allowing themselves to be deprived of freedoms and vitamins/herbs/etc by the sociopathic ruling class. | May 22 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | also education that, if you think you got a virus on the computer | May 22 19:37 |
| ThistleWeb | yes, which includes an antivirus | May 22 19:37 |
| sebsebseb | you should re install the operating system | May 22 19:37 |
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| ThistleWeb | really? the average user? you expect that they should know how to install any OS? | May 22 19:37 |
| ThistleWeb | are you serious? | May 22 19:37 |
| sebsebseb | a trojan eh probably can use an an anti virus to remove it, and it will probably be ok. a worm, should re install the OS, or in the case of an average user, get someone else to do it | May 22 19:37 |
| ThistleWeb | most people who use a PC, use it to do a task, they don't care about how it works, just the act of doing their stuff | May 22 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | reality is we live in a world where msot people are very ignorant at computers | May 22 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | that use them | May 22 19:38 |
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| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yep | May 22 19:38 |
| ThistleWeb | why should they have to learn about partitioning, filesystems etc | May 22 19:38 |
| msb_ | Learning a little about how to organize files and directories on a computer, and what an app is, and how to browse to a particular URL, are tasks that have some similarities to vital aspects of thinking. | May 22 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | well I didn't say they had to learn about that | May 22 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | they should learn more about security :) | May 22 19:38 |
| ThistleWeb | ahh, so you expect avegare users to be able to reinstall an OS but not to learn about partitioning and filesyste,s | May 22 19:39 |
| *ThistleWeb is speechless | May 22 19:39 | |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: no I said, above, or in the case of the averag user, get someone else to rei nstall the OS for them | May 22 19:39 |
| msb_ | Also, maybe they'll be able to access some alternative news sites and get some factually information about what's actually happening in the world. | May 22 19:39 |
| msb_ | factual | May 22 19:40 |
| schestowitz | [19:28] <sebsebseb> _Goblin: when it comes to computer security, they say people should have an an anti virus, << that's not "_computer_ security" | May 22 19:40 |
| ThistleWeb | in a captialist system it's a good thing that keeps people spending | May 22 19:40 |
| ThistleWeb | which means anything that deters that, is not good for business | May 22 19:40 |
| ThistleWeb | well, not good for some buisnesses | May 22 19:41 |
| schestowitz | [19:28] <_Goblin> sebsebseb, thats the shovelware you get when you buy a Windows PC......its called Norton ...or similar << yeah, let's use taxpayers money to pile up BRAND NAMES on them :-) | May 22 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: well like I said the Windows computer security industry, takes advantage of computer ignorance, whilst making a lot of money doing so | May 22 19:41 |
| ThistleWeb | but like the piracy argument, it just means people spend money in other places, just not on legacy tech | May 22 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | as for buying loads of software uh, would be better if most computer users went and mainly used opensource/freesoftware like we do, but uh yeah, dream on, not very likely to happen in the next 10 years at all | May 22 19:42 |
| ThistleWeb | yes, and while people DO use windows, I'd promote the use of anti-malware protection, because those who don't are very likely gonna be part of a network spewing out spam | May 22 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | well you should promote the don't run admin all the time thing only when needed | May 22 19:42 |
| msb_ | As their dollars, pounds and euros are being rapidly devalued now, with the profits going to international banks and weapons companies, they might want to spend their money on food and housing. | May 22 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | and give them a more secure web browser as well to IE, and yeah if you want a anti virus, and then they will probably be ok | May 22 19:42 |
| ThistleWeb | apart from the kickbacks, it's not in the PC retailers interests to promote FOSS, they can't make money as easy from upselling, repairs etc | May 22 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | also could use a sandbox, but uhmm not sure how well this one works anymore and what not for example. http://sandboxie.com | May 22 19:43 |
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| sebsebseb | plus Chrome has a build in sandbox apparently | May 22 19:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @vinzv: Wurde gerade daran erinnert, warum ich nicht auf Twitter kucken sollte... | May 22 19:43 | |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah Firefox :) | May 22 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | except for certain little things for Firefox 4 in my case, but anyway | May 22 19:43 |
| ThistleWeb | you always have to separate people with an interest in computers, and the rest of the population who just use them to get a job done | May 22 19:43 |
| schestowitz | [19:38] <msb_> Learning a little about how to organize files and directories on a computer, and what an app is, and how to browse to a particular URL, are tasks that have some similarities to vital aspects of thinking. << indeed | May 22 19:44 |
| _Goblin | "When it comes to computer security, they say people should have an an anti virus, << that's not "_computer_ security" - My interpretation says it is..... | May 22 19:44 |
| ThistleWeb | most of the planet just want easy, reliable devices to let them get on with stuff | May 22 19:44 |
| schestowitz | also a generic, transferable skills, like lateral thinking or calculus | May 22 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yep | May 22 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | and that's where Unity starts to come in | May 22 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | in the case of _Goblin 's wife for example | May 22 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | however really, Desktop Linux would have been quite useable for her already? | May 22 19:45 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Yes! | May 22 19:45 |
| schestowitz | if we learned maths like we learn computing (Windows, Office), we'd just read abacus manual and not learn any mathematical methods | May 22 19:45 |
| ThistleWeb | it's one reason where Microsoft went wrong with IE, instead of educating people as to what's being asked of them, they decided to just allows stuff without asking, and malware writers had a field day exploiting them | May 22 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | GUI is important, give someone the correct GUI and they will be quite happy, give them the wrong GUI and they won't be happy | May 22 19:45 |
| msb_ | Organization and the use of concepts are key! | May 22 19:46 |
| schestowitz | [19:40] <ThistleWeb> in a captialist system it's a good thing that keeps people spending | May 22 19:46 |
| schestowitz | and spreading | May 22 19:46 |
| schestowitz | If people did not reproduce much, who would pay back the debt? | May 22 19:46 |
| amarsh04 | rebooting into a new kernel, back soon | May 22 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | and changing things in a GUI can really annoy average computer users as well, take the buttons on the left in Ubuntu thing, when I ugpraded that other computer from 9.10 to 10.04, a year or so ago now, anyway even though was using the old brown theme or whatever, he ended up with teh buttons on the left in his account | May 22 19:46 |
| ThistleWeb | it's where UAC went wrong in Vista too, when you ask people questions they don't understand, they will allow it, even if they should'nt just in case something that did work before, stops working | May 22 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | and he logged in and | May 22 19:46 |
| schestowitz | we always live at the expense of future genrations and worry about excessive extraction later | May 22 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | he complaiend about the buttons on the left, and I explained why it had happended, and sorted it out, and that was that | May 22 19:46 |
| schestowitz | we not only broke out piggybank | May 22 19:46 |
| schestowitz | We also break the many piggybank of ours kids that don't exist yet... and their future kids too :-) | May 22 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | ,but even us, we get used to how we do things on a computer, and changing GUI can be annoying ,espesially if we use features we got used to, take the Gnome 2 and Gnome Shell and or Unity thing, for example | May 22 19:47 |
| ThistleWeb | people get annoyed in Linux running as a user, being asked for a pass to install stuff, it's much more secure, but it takes time and relearning to teach people why | May 22 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | if we lose, not use, above, features | May 22 19:47 |
| msb_ | Obomber recently gave the banks $28 Trillion. The only way that debt can be repaid is by devaluing dollars to near worthlessness. | May 22 19:47 |
| _Goblin | I think any user who came to computing after 1995 or so, should consider themselves very lucky.....people have it easy (even those "power users") to the earlier days of computing. | May 22 19:48 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yeah and sometimes new Ubuntu users for example, want to turn off, the having to enter the password for quite a lot of things | May 22 19:48 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: agreed | May 22 19:48 |
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| sebsebseb | altough I ddin't get the oppertunity to try out a lot of old computers and such | May 22 19:48 |
| sebsebseb | ,but sure the old BBC since the primary school had | May 22 19:48 |
| ThistleWeb | there's always a balance between educating users to encourage them to make decisions, and understanding that most don't care, they just get frustrated when stuff doesn't work, so you have to make decent default choices for them | May 22 19:49 |
| schestowitz | brb, gotta do block diagrams :- | May 22 19:49 |
| sebsebseb | and achorns there as well, and achorns at the secondary school as well, unltl they got properly replaced by Windows PC's | May 22 19:49 |
| ThistleWeb | we should always be willing to educate people who want to learn, but never expect that people HAVE to learn just to use a PC | May 22 19:49 |
| _Goblin | I remember when Dpaint would not multitask without crashing......I remember when switching between packages normally required a reset..... | May 22 19:49 |
| sebsebseb | anyway the achorn good computer from what I remember, had a nice pac man game on it and asteroies as well, and some sort of golf game on the primary school achorns ands uch | May 22 19:49 |
| msb_ | I had good file/directory organization, and collected and organized a great set of utility apps, under PCDOS. | May 22 19:49 |
| ThistleWeb | demanding that people have some training, discriminates against people | May 22 19:50 |
| _Goblin | 68k processor.....I believe........should have been better than the Amiga.....lackluster sales and lack of dev made it rather poor...(for most) | May 22 19:50 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: Desktop Linux was quite easy to use in 2004 really I guess, useually, when I started with Fedora Core 2, that I coudn't use online at the time since that wirelss device.... ,but anyway since then it has improved quite a lot really | May 22 19:50 |
| msb_ | Not demanding, but finding clever ways to induce people to learn about computers (and the world). | May 22 19:51 |
| _Goblin | happier times though when there was standardized hardware......one size fits all for the Amiga family of computers. | May 22 19:51 |
| _Goblin | with the exception when the a600 slopped onto the scene (the Vista of the Amiga's) | May 22 19:51 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: maybe by law, Educational Establisments should teach, computer seurity better, but also provide more computer choice for computer tasks such as office suites, but uh right yeah, things don't work like that at the moment , and are unlikely to any time soon, since how things are currently with many people | May 22 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | shame really | May 22 19:52 |
| _Goblin | and the a4000 was a little dodgy too. | May 22 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | also it's mainly the older people who are rather ignorant at computers | May 22 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | I guess | May 22 19:52 |
| _Goblin | either or.... | May 22 19:52 |
| ThistleWeb | older people saw computers enter the workplace after they were already established | May 22 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | so uhmm as harsh as it may sound and all, it may turn into quite a good thing for computing as a whole, when a lot of these people are dead | May 22 19:52 |
| _Goblin | either they have far more knowledge having used them longer, or yes as you say ignorant through non-use | May 22 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | and now I remmber about the alternative vote | May 22 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | I think a lot of the younger peopel voted yes for the alternative vote, but most of the older probably voted no | May 22 19:53 |
| ThistleWeb | people entering the workplace now have used computers all their lives, they'll have computers at home too | May 22 19:53 |
| _Goblin | although I'd say that the knowledge is less.....(even though they can do more) | May 22 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | so when a lot of these older people are dead, then maybe the alternative vote or something like it, would actsaully happen, if voted on again, if you see what I mean | May 22 19:53 |
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| _Goblin | they have devkits, highlevel languages et al to take away the pain of actually understanding why the computer does something....... | May 22 19:53 |
| ThistleWeb | computers have changed a LOT too, years ago they used to be very geeky, and hard to understand for regular users, not any more | May 22 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | sometimes people dieing, means that acstauly certain things will move on and for the better, depending on what we are talking about, as harsh as it sounds | May 22 19:54 |
| _Goblin | in the days of the Amiga, asm was required and to code you actually had to understand how the machine worked. | May 22 19:54 |
| _Goblin | nowadays a bouncing rasterbar with a sinewave scrolltext can be done with a few lines of code...... | May 22 19:54 |
| msb_ | It's vital that we be able to recommend some single distro/version of Linux to people in general, with the assurance that it will work on whatever computer they have, will install and configure easily, and will at least perform all basic tasks -- browsing, mail, office, etc. | May 22 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: uh most of them have used Windows all their lives :D | May 22 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | they haven't really expereinced proper computing by trying out other OS's, and not including Mac OS X | May 22 19:55 |
| _Goblin | msb_, Ive found that Ubuntu has never let me down for others. | May 22 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: Linux Mint, Ubuntu NO! | May 22 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: if you really want to recomend only one | May 22 19:56 |
| ThistleWeb | the argument still stands, win7 is much more user freindly to use than win95 or win98, albeit it has multiple layers of DRM inside | May 22 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | I think it's good to recommend a few | May 22 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | and let the user choose them selves | May 22 19:56 |
| _Goblin | so what for you sebsebseb makes a good distro. | May 22 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | and yes even to non technical people, and qite simple there really, tell them about Linux Mint, maybe Ubuntu, and soon Mageia :), and there we go :D | May 22 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: defaults | May 22 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | very much so | May 22 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | good defaults | May 22 19:57 |
| _Goblin | so what do you look for...? | May 22 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | used to get that with Ubuntu, not anymore, and the not anymore started with 9.04 and 9.10, but just little things there really, 10.04 was horrible in my case! and so on from there | May 22 19:57 |
| ThistleWeb | which is exactly what Ubuntu do | May 22 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: no | May 22 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | not for people like me | May 22 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | altough here's the interesting thing | May 22 19:57 |
| msb_ | KDE4 will not run on all machines, because the phonon sound may not work. And the desktop pager is useless. It's also difficult to understand. | May 22 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu 11.04 CLassic Desktop | May 22 19:57 |
| ThistleWeb | people like you> | May 22 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | they acstaully unmessed something up | May 22 19:58 |
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| sebsebseb | something I hated, when they did it back with 10.04 I guess it was, actsaully sorted out :) how its' meant to be ;) | May 22 19:58 |
| ThistleWeb | sorry, I thought we were talking average users, my bad | May 22 19:58 |
| _Goblin | because if the argument is that people should learn more computing, then the defaults are academic because they will customize to their own preferences. | May 22 19:58 |
| ThistleWeb | so ubuntu is not for you | May 22 19:58 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Recognising places in Milano in movies. :D | May 22 19:58 | |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: as for average users, uhmm for some yep Unity, for others Linux Mint, for others other Linux distributions | May 22 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I don't tend to like customising the default expereince, the look, the default look, except for for example changing the wall paper | May 22 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | as for adding loads of programs to a default install, yep I do that, and have done for many years | May 22 19:59 |
| _Goblin | so what do you recommend for non-average users and (for example) say in the case of Gentoo which Ive had previously, what is the advantage for me to make life harder for myself if ubuntu (or any other distro) hands the features I want to me on a plate? | May 22 20:00 |
| msb_ | Linux newbies don't know enough to customize, nor to choose a distro that suits them We need to be able to tell them about one that will work effectively without their having to choose anything. That may require KDE3. | May 22 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: soon Mageia 1 final is out so good another distro I can recommend to newbies :) and even though I will be contributing to it nicely on the community side :) | May 22 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | I will still recommend more than one distro to someone useually if recommending a distro | May 22 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | so Fedora? NO! | May 22 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | NO WAY | May 22 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | not for a newbie | May 22 20:01 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: But newbies don't know enough to choose among distros! | May 22 20:01 |
| ThistleWeb | rofl, recomending a distro that's still vapourware | May 22 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | maybe when Unity is more imrpoved which it will be for 11.10 I expect, maybe then, I will maybe on occasion even recommend Ubuntu again hmm | May 22 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | depending on the user, and who they are, and what they do want to do and all that | May 22 20:01 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, not even a beta to see if they're as good as their word.......fantastic | May 22 20:02 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, I can compile the latest src...I'd rather save myself time and get it from a repo. I can install gfx drivers manually or Ubuntu can do it for me....like I say, unless your job is playing with platforms, then messing around with doing things manually is a distraction to getting your real work done. | May 22 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: uhmm not for much longer, June 1st is pretty soon now :) and I said when it came out, not before then | May 22 20:02 |
| ThistleWeb | and if it turns out to be a steaming pile? | May 22 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww | May 22 20:02 |
| ThistleWeb | every distro tries to do things right by their own standards | May 22 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | to a more expereinced user on the other hand | May 22 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | I may suggest they try out in development | May 22 20:02 |
| msb_ | All Linuxes run the same apps. So it doesn't matter too much what they want to do. | May 22 20:02 |
| ThistleWeb | none of them get everything right | May 22 20:02 |
| ThistleWeb | for newbies, a dev version of a first release of a new distro? | May 22 20:03 |
| ThistleWeb | wow | May 22 20:03 |
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| ThistleWeb | persoanlly I wait to actually TRY something before recoemnding it | May 22 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: msb_ yep there is no perfect distro, exacty why I would useaully recommend a few distro's to someone I am recommending Desktop Linux to, and give http://distrowatch.com as well, and explain a bit about the distro's I am recommending, and let the user decide :) | May 22 20:03 |
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| ThistleWeb | which means it has to first exist for me to try | May 22 20:03 |
| _Goblin | Ubuntu Satanic edition - Great distro to recommend. | May 22 20:04 |
| ThistleWeb | not only does it have to exist, the distro has to build some history of reliable trustwirthy updates | May 22 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: well the relaease Candidate has been out a few days for Mageia | May 22 20:04 |
| ThistleWeb | great, it's no longer vapourware | May 22 20:04 |
| ThistleWeb | wouldn't be recomending it to anyone yet | May 22 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | and before that it had alpha 1 and alpha 2, and beta 1 and beta 2 | May 22 20:04 |
| _Goblin | thats why I say 1 or 2 versions behind the current Ubuntu for deploying to other users. | May 22 20:05 |
| ThistleWeb | other than the curious experienced users who wanna try it in a VM or spare partition | May 22 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | I'll recommend it to people who don't mind having Gnome 2 still, or that want KDE, but for those that want Gnomd 3 not really the distro to recommend at the moment | May 22 20:05 |
| _Goblin | its been years since I had Ubuntu on my main rig....but for the time being its staying.... | May 22 20:05 |
| ThistleWeb | plenty of distros have built a history of development and support, they'd ALL be higher on the recommendation list, for any use | May 22 20:05 |
| msb_ | I don't know what capabilities the Ubuntu 11.04 CLassic Desktop has (or had). But KDE3 is a very good compromise between functionality, configurability, simplicity, and usability on all machines. | May 22 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: ok you know about Trinity then? | May 22 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | teh KDE 3 fork | May 22 20:06 |
| ThistleWeb | _Goblin: you know you can switch to the classic session at login right? if you need to | May 22 20:06 |
| msb_ | Except ones with tiny screens. | May 22 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: _ ThistleWeb Ubuntu Classic Desktop won't be in 11.10 | May 22 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | that was meant to be _Goblin as well ^ | May 22 20:07 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: I have talked with the Trinity people and am doing a writeup for them of my recommendations. | May 22 20:07 |
| ThistleWeb | ah yes, because _Goblin is running 11.10, I forgot about the time machine paradox | May 22 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu Studo is going to move to XFCE for the next one | May 22 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | and Linux Mint uhmm I wonder what's going to happen there | May 22 20:07 |
| ThistleWeb | they delayed the decision, by stuicking with gnome 2 for now | May 22 20:08 |
| ThistleWeb | the original plan was to go gnome 3 in fallback mode, to appear more like gnome 2 | May 22 20:08 |
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| msb_ | sebsebseb: Unfortunately at least one of them wants to compete with Microsoft on infinitely configurable bling -- exactly the wrong way to go, and an impossible contest to win. | May 22 20:08 |
| sebsebseb | well it's quite pointless getitng a new user quite used to and happy with Ubuntu Classic Desktop in 11.04 for example at the moment, becasue that's on the verge of going bye bye | May 22 20:08 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yep I know it's going to do Gnome 2 for now, but I guess the next one they will change Gnome 3 fall back mode, to be more Mint like? | May 22 20:09 |
| sebsebseb | the version based on Ubuntu 11.10 I am on about | May 22 20:09 |
| ThistleWeb | they delayed the decision to see how things develop | May 22 20:09 |
| _Goblin | ThistleWeb, yeah...I mentioned that on my article and the show.....its one of the reasons why the Unity un-love baffled me...if you don't like it merely revert to classic | May 22 20:09 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: or they could moe to XFCE like Ubuntu Studio did I suppouse | May 22 20:09 |
| ThistleWeb | _Goblin: I see you had the same xchat frustrations as me | May 22 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: yep Ubuntu wants to compete agaisnt Microsoft with bling eye candy, Mac OS X like features, in Unity | May 22 20:10 |
| ThistleWeb | you can switch the top panel to act like the regular system tray, which would pick up all the same apps like before, including the flashing xchat icon | May 22 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: in fact they want to compete with Mac OS X as well | May 22 20:10 |
| ThistleWeb | sebsebseb: I don't see it, mint is a gnome shop | May 22 20:11 |
| msb_ | From what I can tell, XFCE does not have a good (or maybe any) system for multiple desktops. Which are absolutely essential for organizing one's computer work. | May 22 20:11 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, re: 11.10 - I haven't seen mention of removal of classic from Ubuntu for this version so I wouldn't know, however I judge every distro/release on the merits of that particular release.....I don't think too much about where it might go. | May 22 20:11 |
| ThistleWeb | the question will be whether it's gnome-shell or not, not whether it'll be gnome 3 | May 22 20:11 |
| msb_ | I meant Trinity on the eye-candy. I hope I can convince them not to. | May 22 20:11 |
| ThistleWeb | _Goblin: yeah, unless they change their minds, the classic gnome 2 will no longer be an option in 11.10 | May 22 20:11 |
| ThistleWeb | dunno if users will be able to add a PPA and install it or not | May 22 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | msb_ _Goblin: so would many other distro's really as well, but maybe not quite to the extent Canonical do with Ubuntu. I mean Ubuntu is a product from a for profit company (who currentlly don't make a profit) and they have people such as Jono Bacon saying that they want to spread free software to the main streame, uh maybe so, but they also want to control Desktop Linux as a whole more I guess, hence Unity. | May 22 20:12 |
| _Goblin | ThistleWeb, ah.... again, though we have seen canonical change its mind in the past. | May 22 20:12 |
| ThistleWeb | there may be too many conflicts for that | May 22 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: Ubuntu Classic Desktop not being in 11.10, that's been offical for quite a long time now | May 22 20:12 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe, but as of now, the plan is that it won't be an option.....we'll see if that's still the eventual outcome when it arrives | May 22 20:13 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: exactly also why Ubuntu Studio is moving to XFCE | May 22 20:13 |
| sebsebseb | for the next one | May 22 20:13 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: the guy behind PC Linux OS is trying to provide both Gnome 2 and Gnome 3, which is probably pretty difficult to do, but Canonical won't be doing that | May 22 20:13 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, but again its one of those subjects that you can't force the average user to care about....personally I'd love to give Canonical a run at playing monopolist, lets see what happens.......I would be surprised if they could top Microsoft's level of naughtiness. | May 22 20:13 |
| ThistleWeb | _Goblin: I did notice you had much a similar experience of Unity to me, it's nowhere near as bad as some make it out to be, it's just different, and some parts of it are frustrating | May 22 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: maybe loads of the "average computer" users, should really learn how to secure Windows better and stay on that, I mean many of them will whine whatever OS they run anyway. | May 22 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | if something goes wrong | May 22 20:14 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, I am sure canonical had official decisions in the past where they have changed their minds...... | May 22 20:14 |
| ThistleWeb | having to make the window active to get the menu is very annoying, although you can disable that global menu | May 22 20:15 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, but Ive been out of the Ubuntu loop in my home since 8.04....I only deployed it.... | May 22 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | plus really many of the "average computers" would love ReactOS I expect, if only it was properly developed | May 22 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | http://reactos.org | May 22 20:15 |
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| msb_ | sebsebseb: No one should run MS-Windows! Better they run Ubuntu. | May 22 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: really what most of them want, is free as in price, no viruses or anything like that, and being able to run their Windows programs and sometimes drivers even, but whilst not using WIndows itself | May 22 20:15 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, Many people probably would have loved Vista "if only it was properly developed" ;) | May 22 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: yep | May 22 20:16 |
| sebsebseb | also Windows 7 has been a failure as well really for Microsoft | May 22 20:16 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, that also applies to XP, given the howls of protests at Microsoft EOLing it | May 22 20:16 |
| sebsebseb | ,because most of the worlds computers still run XP | May 22 20:16 |
| sebsebseb | so if the next Windows becomes a failure like this as well, Microsoft have a big problem | May 22 20:16 |
| _Goblin | I think many don't know what they want, which is why they are happy to buy machines and roll along with Windows......they don't know about choice and at the end of the day have no real interest. | May 22 20:16 |
| _Goblin | Win7 failed in the sense that it didn't manage to achieve the mass migration away from XP which they moved from life support to ressurection. | May 22 20:17 |
| msb_ | Windows is designed to keep people ignorant _and_ stupid (unable to think). That's why no one should ever use it. | May 22 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: agreed Windows has been desigend to keep people ignorant! | May 22 20:18 |
| _Goblin | XP is now the living dead, unable to die due to nobody knowing how to kill it | May 22 20:18 |
| msb_ | brb | May 22 20:19 |
| _Goblin | vista couldn't.....Win7 did a little.....but the undead horde is still blundering about looking to eat brains - figuratively speaking of course. | May 22 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: well XP is going to die on April 2014 | May 22 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | or is it? | May 22 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | if Windows 8 doesn't sell well enough | May 22 20:19 |
| _Goblin | nah | May 22 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | Microsoft may have to extend for even longer | May 22 20:19 |
| ThistleWeb | one of the drawbacks right now for unity, is that only a few apps have use the apis to put their icons into the system tray....so they're not there like they used to be in the gnome2 panel | May 22 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | well either that, or leave most of the worlds computers without security updates | May 22 20:19 |
| _Goblin | its will be like an episode of the A-team.....no matter how many times shot, it always lives another day | May 22 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | or if not most of the worlds, at least nearly mosto f the worlds? | May 22 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | Microsoft are kind of lucky though | May 22 20:20 |
| ThistleWeb | as more apps make those changes, the differences in the functionality of the panels will be a lot less apparent | May 22 20:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Where #Novell & #SUSE Linux goes from here - http://zd.net/jUz1Qz "As for SUSE #Linux, it returns to its Germany roots" | May 22 20:20 | |
| sebsebseb | the average cmputer user, tends to get rid of a perfectly well working PC | May 22 20:20 |
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| sebsebseb | after a few years or so anyway | May 22 20:20 |
| _Goblin | Look at the trouble MS have had getting people to upgrade IE6.....thats only a browser. | May 22 20:20 |
| ThistleWeb | Microsoft had armies of advisors encouraging organistaions to build their intranets to only work in IE6, locking them in | May 22 20:21 |
| ThistleWeb | it's backfired on them, because they can't even move to IE7, IE8 or IE9 | May 22 20:21 |
| ThistleWeb | let alone moving away from IE | May 22 20:21 |
| ThistleWeb | it does baffle me that some people will still rebuild inside another Microsoft cage, after spending years trying to find a way to break out of the previous Microsoft IE cage | May 22 20:22 |
| _Goblin | true..... | May 22 20:22 |
| _Goblin | maybe times are changing......or maybe not...... I suppose the MS salespersons are very persuasive....... | May 22 20:23 |
| ThistleWeb | surely that experience would ram it home "build to standards, so ANY browser works fine | May 22 20:23 |
| _Goblin | (in general computing terms) | May 22 20:23 |
| ThistleWeb | then again, for many "whatever Microsoft does, IS the standard, by virtue of having the most clout and market share" | May 22 20:23 |
| _Goblin | yep...sort of vicious circle..... | May 22 20:24 |
| ThistleWeb | at least now, people are much more aware of other browsers | May 22 20:24 |
| ThistleWeb | that really wans't the case when IE6 was dominating the workplace in it's early heyday | May 22 20:24 |
| ThistleWeb | so you'd imagine IT depts would still build with Microsoft stuff, but keep an escape rout open by not relying on IE to use it | May 22 20:25 |
| ThistleWeb | no matter how oily the Microsoft salespeople are | May 22 20:25 |
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| koolhead17 | hi all | May 22 20:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @expatpaul @fabsh Sometimes dents from Minecraft players are almost as surreal as those from @x11r5 | May 22 20:35 | |
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| DaemonFC | anyone know a decent webcam application like Cheese for KDE? The GNOME 3 Cheese doesn't work at all :P | May 22 20:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @nybill tag your minecraft talk with !miners so people can filter them. Some people don't want to hear we went East. :P | May 22 20:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @vinzv Ich werde nie verstehen, warum !fedora wget nicht vorinstalliert mitbringt. !fedorade | May 22 20:38 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I was at Best Buy earlier | May 22 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | they have a new scam | May 22 20:40 |
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| DaemonFC | I saw a tv commercial for those dyson bladeless fans that are supposedly so quiet | May 22 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | said you could get them at Best Buy | May 22 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | so I went to take a look | May 22 20:41 |
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| DaemonFC | the things start at......$200 | May 22 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | they don't push much more air than a $15 box fan on Low | May 22 20:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] FUCKING LAVA! GAH!!!!!! !miners http://ur1.ca/492gb | May 22 20:41 | |
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| DaemonFC | and they make about as much noise as a box fan on low | May 22 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | I don't get the appeal | May 22 20:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Check the newest swag at the EFF booth at @makerfaire Bay Area. Expo Hall Booth #112! | May 22 20:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is fabsh with 122 dents! | May 22 20:43 | |
| schestowitz | did you pick some razors for dawn? | May 22 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 22 20:54 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] OSI has signed the Civil Society Statement on the eG8 - you can too, https://www.accessnow.org/page/s/G8-Protect-the-Net | May 22 21:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://i.imgur.com/qlVdK.png | May 22 21:06 |
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| DaemonFC | nice | May 22 21:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @tekk how can they say that WRT say a 1.5MB piece of firmware, which some recent drivers require? | May 22 21:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Fundamentalism - in any form, not just religious - seems to me the biggest threat faced by modern society. | May 22 21:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @lxoliva no idea, ask one of the openbsd guys... | May 22 21:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @webmink: Fundamentalism - in any form, not just religious - seems to me the biggest threat faced by modern society. | May 22 21:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] ah, @bkuhn I've been meaning to ask you, why do you use debian and not trisquel or anothe fully faif distro? | May 22 21:17 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.southbendtribune.com/news/sbt-common-sense-might-not-keep-you-from-being-carded-20110522,0,2488563.story | May 22 21:17 |
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| DaemonFC | We must prevent youth smoking! | May 22 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | We've always been at war with Eastasia | May 22 21:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] The car drives into a tunnel and then is gone. Cut, advertising. Wow.... I dig this movie! #TheInternational | May 22 21:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @tekk yeah :-) of course, the whole “technical argument only” leads to “firmware on OpSys doesn't matter, it would be on hw otherwise” | May 22 21:21 | |
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| schestowitz | http://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2011/05/22/email-via-courier/ | May 22 21:25 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] BTW, I'm not surprised I'm misread; even my wife mistook sth I wrote the other day as absurdly aggressive, though it wasn't at all | May 22 21:25 | |
| Ender2070 | how was the rapture ppl? | May 22 21:25 |
| Ender2070 | I don't know myself about rapture | May 22 21:25 |
| schestowitz | it was a hoax | May 22 21:26 |
| schestowitz | it even starts with "Rap, so... | May 22 21:26 |
| Ender2070 | there are cars in front of my house with slashed tires, we do have a rupture | May 22 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: hehe | May 22 21:26 |
| schestowitz | See? If you look hard enough you might even see evidence | May 22 21:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkxx4HUwGZI | May 22 21:27 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | May 22 21:27 |
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| Ender2070 | just wait till 2012 though | May 22 21:27 |
| schestowitz | it'll be good | May 22 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Good year | May 22 21:28 |
| schestowitz | New l00ns | May 22 21:28 |
| Ender2070 | well it will be interesting | May 22 21:28 |
| schestowitz | History Channel goes for ratings now, so it gave the l00ns attention. Even people who epiphany is drug use. | May 22 21:28 |
| Ender2070 | there was a planetary alignment that started on 3-11-11 that ends on 12-21-12 | May 22 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Every year is interesting | May 22 21:28 |
| schestowitz | But in geological terms it's not | May 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | To human civilisation it's good to see progress made | May 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: and.. | May 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | many planetary alignments happen all the time | May 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | It's a big galaxy... and the planets are very far apart :-) | May 22 21:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Hahaha! They killed the dude. What great photography. :D #TheInternational | May 22 21:30 | |
| Ender2070 | we'll see | May 22 21:30 |
| schestowitz | or not :-) | May 22 21:30 |
| schestowitz | I saw yesterday | May 22 21:30 |
| Ender2070 | or not | May 22 21:30 |
| Ender2070 | if there was something big coming down the line scientists would be lying anyways | May 22 21:31 |
| Ender2070 | just to prevent panic | May 22 21:31 |
| _Goblin | ? | May 22 21:32 |
| Ender2070 | the only way to know for sure is to experience the event or non event yourself | May 22 21:32 |
| _Goblin | what like Windows 8? | May 22 21:32 |
| _Goblin | I panic about that. | May 22 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, We should do these more often. Idiots quitting their jobs, committing suicide, telling all their family members their dirty secrets | May 22 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | what's bad about that? | May 22 21:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | [04:26:20] <Ender2070> there was a planetary alignment that started on 3-11-11 that ends on 12-21-12 | May 22 21:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | sigh. | May 22 21:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | url. | May 22 21:32 |
| Ender2070 | if wikipedia existed during galileo's time, flat worlder's would've been attacking his bio | May 22 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | the world needs less people like that and the ones who don't kill themselves are amusing too | May 22 21:32 |
| Ender2070 | Diablo-D3 - Elenin | May 22 21:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | url. | May 22 21:34 |
| Ender2070 | go look it up | May 22 21:35 |
| schestowitz | [21:31] <Ender2070> if there was something big coming down the line scientists would be lying anyways | May 22 21:35 |
| schestowitz | who are scientists? | May 22 21:35 |
| schestowitz | You refer to them as though they are a minority group of some kind | May 22 21:35 |
| Ender2070 | scientists are the new priest class | May 22 21:35 |
| schestowitz | really? | May 22 21:35 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | May 22 21:35 |
| schestowitz | I thought thatt was wall street | May 22 21:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.declineoftheempire.com/2011/05/the-people-versus-goldman-sachs.html | May 22 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.readersupportednews.org/off-site-opinion-section/83-83/5986-hammer-coming-down-on-wall-street | May 22 21:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | May 22 21:36 |
| Ender2070 | you would think its wall street | May 22 21:37 |
| schestowitz | [21:32] <Ender2070> if wikipedia existed during galileo's time, flat worlder's would've been attacking his bio | May 22 21:37 |
| Ender2070 | everyone has a boss | May 22 21:37 |
| schestowitz | galileo was pro science | May 22 21:37 |
| schestowitz | It was the church that prosecuted him | May 22 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Way to go with example that only antagonises you :-) | May 22 21:37 |
| Ender2070 | not really | May 22 21:37 |
| schestowitz | I think so | May 22 21:37 |
| Ender2070 | scientists these days are anti science | May 22 21:37 |
| schestowitz | so what is science? | May 22 21:38 |
| schestowitz | the opposite of science? | May 22 21:38 |
| Ender2070 | consensus destroys new ideas and theories | May 22 21:38 |
| schestowitz | We enter endless negation here... | May 22 21:38 |
| Ender2070 | peer review is the bane of science | May 22 21:38 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: you do have a knack of attracting lunatics here | May 22 21:38 |
| schestowitz | BTW, the priestss of global warming denial are not scientists, they are greedy | May 22 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Guess who pays them | May 22 21:38 |
| Ender2070 | guess who pays the IPCC | May 22 21:39 |
| Ender2070 | guess who pays Greenpeace | May 22 21:39 |
| schestowitz | I know | May 22 21:39 |
| schestowitz | And... | May 22 21:39 |
| Ender2070 | the IPCC - the global warming scientific priest class | May 22 21:39 |
| Ender2070 | if its a climate change fact, and the IPCC disagrees - its automatically wrong | May 22 21:40 |
| schestowitz | IPCC has distinguished people | May 22 21:40 |
| schestowitz | With good track record | May 22 21:40 |
| Ender2070 | no it has a bunch of liars and crooks | May 22 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Of work that could withstand scruiny | May 22 21:40 |
| ThistleWeb | even the deniers don't claim cliamte change isn't real | May 22 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Was reproducible... | May 22 21:40 |
| schestowitz | they are not selected at random | May 22 21:40 |
| Ender2070 | people who have lied on the record and the media lied to us saying they were out of context | May 22 21:40 |
| ThistleWeb | they just say "wasn't our fault, we don't need to do anything to change it" | May 22 21:40 |
| Ender2070 | the guy who runs the IPCC doesn't think its serious enough | May 22 21:41 |
| schestowitz | if some researcher says homoeopathy has "Water memory" (like some k00ks tell me in twitter today), he'll be shown to have made fraudulent studies and be ostracised | May 22 21:41 |
| Ender2070 | otherwise he might drive the numerous eco friendly vehicles he owns | May 22 21:41 |
| Ender2070 | that were given to him | May 22 21:41 |
| schestowitz | IPCC would have people who survived thanks to integrity | May 22 21:41 |
| ThistleWeb | most of the worlds scientists agree that it is largely a man made problem, that we've accelerated it because of our actions, the tiny minority who disagree are US based and paid by special interests who's profits would be at threat if change were to happen | May 22 21:41 |
| Ender2070 | he drives his gas guzzler BMW | May 22 21:42 |
| Ender2070 | because hes just an elitist | May 22 21:42 |
| Ender2070 | the IPCC is just assisting the UN in making world government | May 22 21:42 |
| ThistleWeb | in the meantime, the only planet we have as a species is being destroyed because some lunatics refuse to accept there's an issue that we have to change | May 22 21:42 |
| schestowitz | the priests are those bribed | May 22 21:43 |
| schestowitz | By oil companies | May 22 21:43 |
| schestowitz | To rally the mob | May 22 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Against science | May 22 21:43 |
| schestowitz | !google exxon funds climate change deial | May 22 21:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Exxon to cut funding to climate change denial groups | Environment ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/may/28/climatechange.fossilfuels | May 22 21:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - ExxonMobil continuing to fund climate sceptic groups, records show ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/01/exxon-mobil-climate-change-sceptics-funding | May 22 21:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Climate change denial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial | May 22 21:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Exxon continued to fund climate denial in 2009 | Greenpeace USA | http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/news-and-blogs/campaign-blog/exxon-continued-to-fund-climate-denial-in-200/blog/26100 | May 22 21:43 |
| schestowitz | and other companies too | May 22 21:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] #TheInternational is an awesome movie. Heartily recommend it! Clive Owen in superb form. | May 22 21:43 | |
| Ender2070 | your shallow research doesn't impress me | May 22 21:43 |
| schestowitz | They pay for non-scientist charlatans to lie in public | May 22 21:43 |
| schestowitz | And misrepresent papers | May 22 21:43 |
| schestowitz | and misquote | May 22 21:44 |
| schestowitz | they don't even quote climategate right | May 22 21:44 |
| Ender2070 | yeah and when they lie you find out | May 22 21:44 |
| schestowitz | They fabricate and not just take out of context | May 22 21:44 |
| Ender2070 | when climategate exposed liars | May 22 21:44 |
| Ender2070 | the media did nothing but protect them | May 22 21:44 |
| Ender2070 | just shows you the media is on the side of the pro climate change people | May 22 21:45 |
| Ender2070 | if the media is on your side, something is wrong | May 22 21:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @nailuj: Feels really strange when you browse through a musician's official #YouTube channel and some videos are blocked by UMG... | May 22 21:45 | |
| schestowitz | what media? | May 22 21:45 |
| schestowitz | The sane one-yes | May 22 21:45 |
| schestowitz | The Murdoch oil-funded one did the usual thing | May 22 21:45 |
| schestowitz | !google fox leaked memo deny global warming | May 22 21:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - FOXLEAKS: Fox boss ordered staff to cast doubt on climate science ... | http://mediamatters.org/blog/201012150004 | May 22 21:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Climate Depot's Morano on Fox News Global Warming Coverage: 'It's ... | http://www.climatedepot.com/a/9133/Climate-Depots-Morano-on-Fox-News-Global-Warming-Coverage-Its-an-inspiration-for-journalism-and-its-a-beacon-of-hope-that-Fox-News-gets-it | May 22 21:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Is Fox News pushing climate change skepticism? - The Week | http://theweek.com/article/index/210396/is-fox-news-pushing-climate-change-skepticism | May 22 21:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - FoxyLeaks: Leaked Internal Memo Catches Fox With Its Bias Hanging Out | http://www.triplepundit.com/2010/12/foxyleaks-leaked-internal-memo-catches-fox-bias-hanging/ | May 22 21:45 |
| Ender2070 | media is all the same | May 22 21:45 |
| Ender2070 | fox is there to polarize people | May 22 21:45 |
| Ender2070 | you got your left wing communist nuts, and your right wing facist nuts | May 22 21:46 |
| Ender2070 | both wings converge into authoritarianism | May 22 21:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @lxoliva Bah, ki feio: GVT tá trancando mesmo o Pirate Bay. Usei com um Proxy e foi... Ki M... | May 22 21:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Protect the Net! http://is.gd/BimRVl #netneutrality #eu #internet #sarkozy #web | May 22 21:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @nj3ma The role of the corporation in Linux is increasingly coming into question.Unlike individuals,corporations are opaque,cant-be-t ... | May 22 21:47 | |
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| schestowitz | not just them | May 22 21:47 |
| Ender2070 | the only solution to provide true freedom is NO government | May 22 21:47 |
| schestowitz | All parties do that | May 22 21:47 |
| Ender2070 | you dont understand | May 22 21:47 |
| Ender2070 | all politicians are crooks | May 22 21:47 |
| Ender2070 | every one of them | May 22 21:47 |
| schestowitz | tell me something I don;t know | May 22 21:47 |
| Ender2070 | so why do you trust them | May 22 21:48 |
| Ender2070 | politicians make the government | May 22 21:48 |
| schestowitz | no | May 22 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Corporations do | May 22 21:48 |
| schestowitz | via politicians | May 22 21:48 |
| schestowitz | in many Western nations | May 22 21:48 |
| Ender2070 | corporations have bosses too | May 22 21:48 |
| schestowitz | They bribe politicians to rally for their causes | May 22 21:48 |
| schestowitz | The public is a side effect | May 22 21:48 |
| schestowitz | !google lessig change funders | May 22 21:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Change Congress launches a Funders' Strike (Lessig Blog) | http://www.lessig.org/blog/2009/01/change_congress_launches_a_fun.html | May 22 21:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - CHANGE.ORG round #2 -- Citizens' Funding (aka, Teddy's idea - Lessig | http://www.lessig.org/blog/2009/01/changeorg_round_2_--_citizens.html | May 22 21:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - YouTube - Lawrence Lessig, Change Congress | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D_obGaWfkDgs | May 22 21:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Major Campaign Donors Launch Funders Pledge, Vowing Not to Donate ... | http://www.commoncause.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx%3Fc%3DdkLNK1MQIwG%26b%3D4773613%26ct%3D8386461 | May 22 21:48 |
| Ender2070 | you think this ends at corporations? | May 22 21:48 |
| Ender2070 | who tells a corporation what to do | May 22 21:49 |
| schestowitz | shareholdes | May 22 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Plutocrats | May 22 21:49 |
| Ender2070 | those shareholders have a boss too | May 22 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | I got rid of my Walmart shares at a profit | May 22 21:49 |
| schestowitz | !google bill gates meets obama economy | May 22 21:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Obama Said to Meet Gates, Buffett on Boosting Economy - Bloomberg | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-14/obama-said-to-meet-gates-buffett-at-white-house-on-ways-to-boost-economy.html | May 22 21:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Obama Meets with Bill Gates, Warren Buffet - Political Hotsheet ... | http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20025626-503544.html | May 22 21:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Obama Said to Meet Gates, Buffett on Boosting Economy | http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Obama-Buffett-Gates/2010/12/14/id/379920 | May 22 21:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Obama meets with Bill and Melinda Gates, Warren Buffett - The Oval ... | http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/12/obama-meets-with-bill-and-melinda-gates/1 | May 22 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | good thing I ditched them when I did, their stock price is not doing well lately | May 22 21:50 |
| schestowitz | wal-mart shares, eh? | May 22 21:50 |
| schestowitz | !google bill gates invests walmart | May 22 21:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Bill Gates Invests Heavily in Deception About Global Warming and ... | http://techrights.org/2010/02/22/bill-gates-and-exxon/ | May 22 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | not dropping like a brick, but stagnant, minor sustained losses year over year | May 22 21:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The Gates Foundation Nearly Doubles Its Investment in Walmart ... | http://techrights.org/2010/05/24/walmart-and-gmo-in-india/ | May 22 21:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Stock Ideas Shared By Gates and Buffett: The CocaCola Company ... | http://www.gurufocus.com/news/87192/stock-ideas-shared-by-gates-and-buffett-the-cocacola-company-walmart-stores-costco-wholesale-exxon-mobil-mt-bank-republic-services-the-home-depot | May 22 21:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Parents United for Responsible Education » Wal-Mart boycott | http://pureparents.org/%3Ftag%3Dwal-mart-boycott | May 22 21:50 |
| Ender2070 | I tell you freemasonry is involved but your mind doesn't go past share holders of corporations | May 22 21:50 |
| schestowitz | heh | May 22 21:50 |
| schestowitz | techrights in #2 | May 22 21:50 |
| Ender2070 | you even change the subject | May 22 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | they are not growing, at least as far as stock price | May 22 21:50 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: the shares are not for you | May 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | It's for rich people | May 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | They have friends with inside info | May 22 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | Fraud Street rewards you for doubling your net profit. That's easier to do when the company is small and has more room to expand | May 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | So they know the fluctuation, when to buy and sell | May 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | It's like a casino | May 22 21:51 |
| Ender2070 | Rich people are smart | May 22 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | you have one store, you open another one, 200% growth | May 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | They tell you people make money there | May 22 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | you have 5,000 stores and open another one, meh | May 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | You put your savings in, and crook with inside info (a crime) takes your money away | May 22 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Nice cleansweep :-) | May 22 21:52 |
| Ender2070 | hey schestowitz | May 22 21:52 |
| Ender2070 | thats called using your brain | May 22 21:52 |
| schestowitz | The onyl difference between FraudStreet and Casino is the staging... and they don't have free wine at banks ;-) | May 22 21:52 |
| Ender2070 | I just see smart people preying on stupid people | May 22 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | Fraud Street doesn't reward sound business decisions | May 22 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | they reward scavengers | May 22 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | slash and burn management | May 22 21:53 |
| schestowitz | !google cayman islands paul singer | May 22 21:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Dino Rossi Rakes in Thousands from Billionaire Hedge Fund Manager ... | http://www.wa-democrats.org/content/dino-rossi-rakes-thousands-billionaire-hedge-fund-manager | May 22 21:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Paul Singer on Finance | The Weekly Standard | http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/paul-singer-finance_554879.html | May 22 21:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Paul Singer's elliott associates has beaten the S&P 500 for 30 ... | http://elliottprofiles.com/pdf/BloombergMarkets-TheOpportunistFebruary2008Eprint.pdf | May 22 21:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Groklaw - The Elliott Associates $$ Agreements Behind the Novell ... | http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php%3Fstory%3D20101126175811969 | May 22 21:53 |
| Ender2070 | and stupid people screaming for the governement to protect them from the smart people | May 22 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | putting your company on a public stock exchange is like a pact with the devil | May 22 21:54 |
| schestowitz | But.. | May 22 21:54 |
| schestowitz | There's the snag | May 22 21:54 |
| schestowitz | The rich people found a haxck | May 22 21:54 |
| schestowitz | They do a controlled opposiytion thing: Tea Party | May 22 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Koch brothers pretend they are the rally vs Power | May 22 21:54 |
| Ender2070 | lol | May 22 21:54 |
| Ender2070 | tea party | May 22 21:54 |
| schestowitz | And they have a million marching to deny global warming and stuff | May 22 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Calling it govt. conpiracy | May 22 21:54 |
| Ender2070 | you know the UK labour party was founded by fabian socialists | May 22 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, Tea Party Patriots! | May 22 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | code term | May 22 21:55 |
| schestowitz | And then they can screw the people they are screwing using yet more voluntary lobbying | May 22 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | for "I have a tiny penis" | May 22 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Now, that's smart in an evil way | May 22 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | "and probably drive a Hummer" | May 22 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Naa | May 22 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Pickup truck | May 22 21:55 |
| Ender2070 | just like the climate change agenda gets free voluntary lobbying | May 22 21:55 |
| Ender2070 | from idiots | May 22 21:55 |
| schestowitz | with 99 bottled at the boot :-) | May 22 21:55 |
| Ender2070 | people who never ask to read scientific findings | May 22 21:56 |
| Ender2070 | just parroting what they read in a news paper | May 22 21:56 |
| schestowitz | it's published in the literature | May 22 21:56 |
| schestowitz | guess who does not read it? | May 22 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, There's legitimate reasons to have a pickup truck, but most people who drive one just do it because they have a small penis | May 22 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Those who say we don't cause warning... or the other group? | May 22 21:56 |
| Ender2070 | schestowitz - really | May 22 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Which one reads the data and papers? | May 22 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | I drove one around for a while because it was what $500 would buy | May 22 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | it was incredibly beat up | May 22 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 22 21:56 |
| schestowitz | And which one runs after lying chalatans | May 22 21:56 |
| Ender2070 | schestowitz - Why did Phil Jones refuse to give people his data then? | May 22 21:57 |
| Ender2070 | because hes a motherfucking liar | May 22 21:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbW-aHvjOgM | May 22 21:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Monckton Bunkum Part 1 - Global cooling and melting ice .::. Size~: 122.88 KB | May 22 21:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTY3FnsFZ7Q | May 22 21:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Monckton Bunkum Part 2 - Sensitivity .::. Size~: 123.2 KB | May 22 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | I proved global warming, but my dog ated my evidence | May 22 21:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpF48b6Lsbo | May 22 21:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Monckton Bunkum Part 3 - Correlations and Himalayan glaciers .::. Size~: 119.48 KB | May 22 21:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3giRaGNTMA | May 22 21:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Monckton Bunkum Part 4 -- Quotes and misquotes .::. Size~: 125.59 KB | May 22 21:58 |
| Ender2070 | the only anthropogenic climate change i'll admit to is being caused by HAARP | May 22 21:58 |
| Ender2070 | I can't watch those terrible videos by idiots | May 22 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, Careful what you say about HAARP, they're listening! | May 22 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | shhhhh | May 22 21:58 |
| Ender2070 | schestowitz - Club of Rome - The First Global Revolution | May 22 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | conspiracy theories are reinforced by a target that is not able to fully rebut the accusations, even for benign reasons | May 22 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | that's why the longest lasting ones are about governments | May 22 21:59 |
| Ender2070 | meh | May 22 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | they're basically impossible to disprove, so that must make them true | May 22 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 22 22:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: #Elementary music player #Beatbox sees development release http://goo.gl/L0HCd | May 22 22:00 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Elementary music player ‘Beatbox’ sees development release .::. Size~: 70.78 KB | May 22 22:00 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: :-) | May 22 22:00 |
| Ender2070 | I have stronger evidence than Roy has for most of his Microsoft conspiracies | May 22 22:00 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: like existence of deities | May 22 22:00 |
| schestowitz | That are invisible by definition | May 22 22:01 |
| Ender2070 | people actually wrote books saying they would do the things that are currently occuring | May 22 22:01 |
| *schestowitz loves the invisible pink unicorn under his bed | May 22 22:01 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Russel's Teapot | May 22 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | Let me guess, it's only invisible when other people are looking at it | May 22 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 22 22:01 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 22 22:01 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: actually that's provable | May 22 22:02 |
| Ender2070 | schestowitz - is it the one telling you about all these Microsoft conspiracies? | May 22 22:02 |
| schestowitz | And possible to falsify, conversely | May 22 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Cause he doesn't say the teapot is invisible | May 22 22:02 |
| Ender2070 | Microsoft spent 8 billion to kill a linux client of a program barely used by linux users | May 22 22:02 |
| schestowitz | We could launch an expedition which a giant net to orbit the planets for a few millions of years | May 22 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, By the technological standards of the time, it was impossible to disprove | May 22 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | so right, maybe say there's a teapot in orbit around a star in the Andromeda Galaxy | May 22 22:03 |
| Ender2070 | roy still believes the official 9/11 story | May 22 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | now prove me wrong | May 22 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: that's not why it was bought | May 22 22:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've had it up to here with people telling me how great Mumble is without even listening to or understanding what I've said on the show. | May 22 22:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Inside WikiLeaks HQ: We will continue working, even if Julian is in jail http://alturl.com/x8vzh | May 22 22:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Just because something is free software doesn't mean I can or will ignore its shortcomings. People who do this lose all credibility with me. | May 22 22:03 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | May 22 22:03 |
| Ender2070 | hes not really someone I would use for logical advice | May 22 22:03 |
| schestowitz | And skype provided compelling reasons for many people to use Linux | May 22 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Forcing Windows' price down | May 22 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | huh? when? | May 22 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | how? | May 22 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | it made their stock price dip | May 22 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | how does that correspond to a decrease in licensing price for Windows? :) | May 22 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: rrrriiiiight.. so I am of "use for logical advice" if I say the planes were holograms and the 9/11 flights are just landing somewhere else? Or what? | May 22 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, thermite | May 22 22:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bkuhn: problems come up when company claims projects under its control are independent. Then #transparency becomes paramount. | May 22 22:05 | |
| Ender2070 | schestowitz - yet you rebute by putting words in the mouth of others | May 22 22:05 |
| Ender2070 | who said anything about holograms | May 22 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | the planes did hit the towers, but then the thermite that was planted on the support beams was ignited | May 22 22:05 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: so the planes for just "4 sho'"? | May 22 22:05 |
| Ender2070 | you're purposely trying to make me sound crazy now | May 22 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | eventually melting them and causing the building to collapse | May 22 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | exactly | May 22 22:05 |
| Ender2070 | msb_ already proved schestowitz wrong on the 9/11 stuff | May 22 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | some variations of that say C4, but that would have definitely caused a bulge in the outer structure consistent with a controlled demolition | May 22 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | thermite and the fact that the buildings took a while to collapse is more plausible | May 22 22:07 |
| Ender2070 | http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/ | May 22 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | to me anyway :) | May 22 22:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The 9-11 Attacks Were Perpetrated By Agents Of The U.S. And Israeli Governments .::. Size~: 20.65 KB | May 22 22:07 |
| Ender2070 | Nanothermite | May 22 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | round up the Jews | May 22 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 22 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | no not really | May 22 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | who says it was Israel? | May 22 22:07 |
| schestowitz | and the aliens too | May 22 22:08 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 22 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Some dude told me this story the other week | May 22 22:08 |
| schestowitz | That 9/11 was supposed to distract from some alien event :-) | May 22 22:08 |
| schestowitz | He meant it | May 22 22:08 |
| Ender2070 | people like you and roy simply go along with whatever the newspaper or television say | May 22 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | me? no | May 22 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | him, maybe | May 22 22:08 |
| schestowitz | The plot thickets... one has to be thick to believe it :-D | May 22 22:09 |
| Ender2070 | aliens is more plausible than the official story | May 22 22:09 |
| schestowitz | legal aliens? | May 22 22:09 |
| Ender2070 | thats a joke | May 22 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Or illegal aliens? | May 22 22:09 |
| schestowitz | !google englishman in new york | May 22 22:09 |
| Ender2070 | poking fun of how bad the official story is | May 22 22:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - YouTube - Sting - Englishman In New York | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dd27gTrPPAyk | May 22 22:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Englishman in New York - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englishman_in_New_York | May 22 22:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - STING LYRICS - Englishman In New York | http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/sting/englishmaninnewyork.html | May 22 22:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - An Englishman in New York (2009) - IMDb | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0997057/ | May 22 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | aliens with green cards | May 22 22:10 |
| schestowitz | cards with thermite? :-) | May 22 22:10 |
| Ender2070 | well roy, perhaps you're a reptilian | May 22 22:10 |
| Ender2070 | a reptilian would make fun of the idea | May 22 22:10 |
| schestowitz | part of my brain is inherited from reptiles | May 22 22:10 |
| schestowitz | It equips me with aggression | May 22 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | no, Jesus put it there | May 22 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | it was his dad's design | May 22 22:10 |
| Ender2070 | part of my brain was inherited by genetic engineers | May 22 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Although not enough of it.... it doesn't help survivability in the modern world | May 22 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | you escaped from the lab | May 22 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 22 22:11 |
| schestowitz | people who outsmart others don't need aggression and brutality | May 22 22:11 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: cause the rats farted :-) | May 22 22:11 |
| schestowitz | I had to escape | May 22 22:11 |
| Ender2070 | psychopathy is all thats needed | May 22 22:11 |
| schestowitz | mental illness? | May 22 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | yes, "all mentally ill people are dangerous and masturbate in public" | May 22 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | seems to be what most people believe | May 22 22:12 |
| schestowitz | LOL | May 22 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Where does the "masturbate in public" germinate from? | May 22 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | probably because a few of them do | May 22 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | so all of them must do that | May 22 22:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] US response to killing bin Laden? A rush for ever stronger state spying powers powers http://is.gd/fIdeAf | May 22 22:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The always-expanding bipartisan Surveillance State - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com .::. Size~: 84.21 KB | May 22 22:13 |
| Ender2070 | you guys are funny | May 22 22:13 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: but... you don;t. | May 22 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | nope | May 22 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | I just talk to buildings | May 22 22:14 |
| schestowitz | maybe ritalin | May 22 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | j/k | May 22 22:14 |
| Ender2070 | schestowitz - just keep the lies rolling | May 22 22:14 |
| schestowitz | OK, Osama dead | May 22 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Can we cancel PAT RIOT act now? | May 22 22:14 |
| schestowitz | U SAP AT RIOT as RMS calls it | May 22 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | NO, IT HAS TO BE EXPANDED BECAUSE JESUS SAID!!! | May 22 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Rpature man! | May 22 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesaaaaaaaaaaaaiii HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa! | May 22 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: which lies? It's humour | May 22 22:15 |
| Ender2070 | nevermind that Obama has extended the patriot act | May 22 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | Christianity is the worst thing European settlers brought here, even worse than syphilis and smallpox | May 22 22:16 |
| Ender2070 | put RIAA people into power | May 22 22:16 |
| schestowitz | We've had to respond with comedy to claims that cannot be serious | May 22 22:16 |
| Ender2070 | pardoned Bush on his wireless wiretapping | May 22 22:16 |
| Ender2070 | attempted to detrail the case against AT&T | May 22 22:16 |
| schestowitz | That scientists are "unscientific" and stuff... | May 22 22:16 |
| Ender2070 | people at the IPCC who claim they are scientists are being unscientific, yes | May 22 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: where did I defend Obama? | May 22 22:17 |
| Ender2070 | I wouldn't expect you to understand Roy, your a PhD | May 22 22:17 |
| schestowitz | I was never anti-science | May 22 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | Music or Forestry? | May 22 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | :p | May 22 22:17 |
| Ender2070 | such a degree requires a lot of mindless memorizing of stuff you can't question | May 22 22:17 |
| schestowitz | I fijnd that, people who failed science are more likely to turn against it | May 22 22:18 |
| schestowitz | It's not in reverse | May 22 22:18 |
| Ender2070 | I find that most of the people who claim to be scientists attack anything that isn't well known by science | May 22 22:18 |
| schestowitz | They would like to say they reject the science (real one, which gives us tablet PCs and PET scanners) and therefore did not study science | May 22 22:18 |
| schestowitz | But it's the opposite | May 22 22:18 |
| Ender2070 | there was a lot of attacks towards quantum mechanics | May 22 22:19 |
| Ender2070 | including by einstein | May 22 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Like the guy who plays football and claims school was boring | May 22 22:19 |
| schestowitz | it's more likely school failed him, so he turned to football | May 22 22:19 |
| Ender2070 | the problem with climate science is that everyone has a job on the line if people found out it was false | May 22 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: you don't know what a Ph.D. then | May 22 22:19 |
| schestowitz | [22:17] <Ender2070> such a degree requires a lot of mindless memorizing of stuff you can't question | May 22 22:19 |
| schestowitz | No, that's MD | May 22 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | if you can't be smart, be big and stupid | May 22 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | makes sense | May 22 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Ph.D. does not need to memorise things | May 22 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Heck, there's no written examination either | May 22 22:20 |
| schestowitz | It's about being able to study and expand existing knowledge | May 22 22:20 |
| Ender2070 | I'm a member of MENSA, I had high science and math marks in school | May 22 22:20 |
| Ender2070 | I didn't fail at this stuff | May 22 22:20 |
| Ender2070 | I know what it requires to earn a PhD | May 22 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | yes, but surely you must appease someone with preset notions and silly beliefs like the laws of physics | May 22 22:20 |
| Ender2070 | lots and lots of reading | May 22 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | and that makes you a suck-up | May 22 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | I think that's what Ender2070 is getting at | May 22 22:20 |
| Ender2070 | so much reading your mind has no time at all to question any of it | May 22 22:21 |
| Ender2070 | because if you question any of it, you dont get high marks | May 22 22:21 |
| schestowitz | [22:17] <Ender2070> I wouldn't expect you to understand Roy, your a PhD | May 22 22:21 |
| schestowitz | [22:17] <Ender2070> such a degree requires a lot of mindless memorizing of stuff you can't question | May 22 22:21 |
| schestowitz | [22:20] <Ender2070> I know what it requires to earn a PhD | May 22 22:21 |
| Ender2070 | if your marks arent high enough you fail | May 22 22:21 |
| schestowitz | But the above refuted your claim | May 22 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Ph.D.s don't require mmorising | May 22 22:21 |
| schestowitz | it's about methods | May 22 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Or how the people going poorly in medical school decide to take Psych clases and then I get stuck talking to them? | May 22 22:22 |
| Ender2070 | you have to remember those methods | May 22 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | The ones who don't wear a turban sometimes | May 22 22:22 |
| Ender2070 | you're also trainted not to deviate from proven methods | May 22 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | *doing | May 22 22:22 |
| Ender2070 | so when you have a scientist who strays from the norm, hes branded a non scientics | May 22 22:22 |
| Ender2070 | scientist | May 22 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: quite the contrary | May 22 22:22 |
| Ender2070 | and everyone gets to say ALL scientists agree with them | May 22 22:22 |
| schestowitz | If I can show empirically that something new works better, I'm more lkely to publish on it | May 22 22:23 |
| Ender2070 | since their definition of a scientists includes their belief system | May 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Beuing part of the crowd makes you less appealing | May 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Making something new stand out is a merit | May 22 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | the DSM is basically a Malleus Maleficarum of the modern world | May 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | If climate denial had merit, it would get published | May 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | But it doesn't pass muster | May 22 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | you should have studied that if you wanted pseudoscience, schestowitz | May 22 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Same with 9/11 compiracy theories | May 22 22:24 |
| Ender2070 | climate science is pseudoscience | May 22 22:24 |
| schestowitz | When one such paper finally made it through many editors quit in protest | May 22 22:24 |
| Ender2070 | its not science when you omit what doesn't agree with what you're loooking for | May 22 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, psychology is pseudoscience, because the definitions are subject to observation and interpretation | May 22 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | and will never get the same results twice | May 22 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | when you think "science", you think laws that are immutable | May 22 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | not this crap | May 22 22:25 |
| schestowitz | psychology is not a science | May 22 22:25 |
| schestowitz | !google xkcd psychology math physics | May 22 22:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - xkcd: Purity | http://xkcd.com/435/ | May 22 22:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - xkcd • View topic - 0435: "Purity" | http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D7%26t%3D23609 | May 22 22:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - xkcd sucks: Comic 435: Math People Are Better than You | http://xkcdsucks.blogspot.com/2008/06/sorry-ive-been-late-with-these-recently.html | May 22 22:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - xkcd: Purity - StumbleUpon | http://www.stumbleupon.com/url/xkcd.com/435/ | May 22 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | "subject to interpretations" sounds more like a religious disclaimer than a science | May 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | and homeopathy is an example of coercing science to make something fraudulent look credible | May 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Scintology does that with religion | May 22 22:26 |
| *schestowitz prscibes homeopathic shrink to DaemonFC | May 22 22:27 | |
| Ender2070 | just like eco worship is a religion | May 22 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | May 22 22:27 |
| Ender2070 | and the fsf religion | May 22 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Bless the FSF | May 22 22:27 |
| schestowitz | I skeel every morning | May 22 22:27 |
| schestowitz | 7am, on my knees, facing Boston | May 22 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, If the Homeopathy can make my family shut up about me and claim I've improved | May 22 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | hand over the water | May 22 22:28 |
| Ender2070 | Boston has the MIT | May 22 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | now :) | May 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | /sneel/kneel/ | May 22 22:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange subject of US and ASIO intelligence operations scrutiny http://is.gd/iCrOLa | May 22 22:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Assange subject of ASIO scrutiny - National News - National - General - The Canberra Times .::. Size~: 99.85 KB | May 22 22:28 |
| _Goblin | Right...I think I'm off now...got a few things to sort out before bed.....gn all | May 22 22:28 |
| *_Goblin has quit (Quit: Leaving) | May 22 22:28 | |
| DaemonFC | RAPE!!! RAPE WIKIRAPE!!!!! | May 22 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | POLICE!!!! HELP!!!! | May 22 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 22 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Dawn? | May 22 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | May 22 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | no | May 22 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | she doesn't know what a wiki is | May 22 22:29 |
| Ender2070 | anyways im going to hang out in another channel | May 22 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | but she is full of shit | May 22 22:29 |
| Ender2070 | this one is full of noobs | May 22 22:29 |
| *Ender2070 (~Brandon@d72-38-2-153.commercial1.cgocable.net) has left #techrights ("Konversation terminated!") | May 22 22:30 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: among other things | May 22 22:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to bed. | May 22 22:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Right, one or two things to sort out for !techbytes then its off to bed. Thanks to COLA for the material..."G" enjoy your evenings trolling. | May 22 22:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Raios partam a minha varicela :-( quem dera lá estar RT @portugaluncut: 1.º Manifesto do Rossio #acampadalisboa #uncut http://fb.me/FUgJeR4h | May 22 22:30 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 1º Manifesto do Rossio « Acampada Lisboa .::. Size~: 24.25 KB | May 22 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Ender has left us n00bs | May 22 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | heh | May 22 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he'll finf dome experts channel where everyone says the Mossad did 9/11 :-) | May 22 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | the Mossad also killed Kennedy | May 22 22:31 |
| schestowitz | anyway, about Dawn... | May 22 22:31 |
| schestowitz | How old is she? | May 22 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | and those Area 51 UFOs, Mossad | May 22 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | uhhm, in her late 40s, but it's a hard late 40s | May 22 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | like you can tell the alcoholism and chain smoking have aged her 15 years | May 22 22:32 |
| schestowitz | :-/ | May 22 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Now she's reduced to back-shaving as foreplay | May 22 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Sad... | May 22 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | extremely | May 22 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | she has two daughters though and neither one of them are bad looking | May 22 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Your landlord...: "oooohh, the way you shave it... so well" | May 22 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | not the landlord she shaved | May 22 22:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] “Seguimos trabajando tras la prisión de Julian Assange” http://alturl.com/ny97z | May 22 22:33 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | May 22 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | she shaved the guy next door | May 22 22:33 |
| schestowitz | ah... | May 22 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | the landlord is gay | May 22 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | after a midlife crisis involving an ex wife and two sons | May 22 22:34 |
| schestowitz | the creepy ones mowing your lawn? | May 22 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | only seen one, he just got out of jail | May 22 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | for striking a woman | May 22 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 22 22:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh what maters is whether it's good enough to be used with other people. Not what's the highest quality. If good enough and !faif good! | May 22 22:35 | |
| schestowitz | you live in a rough area you............ | May 22 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | he won't get a real job so his dad has him go "fix" and "install" things | May 22 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | he did my mom's electrical wiring on a house she's buying from my landlord | May 22 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | and I took down the wrong-sized cement board hi put up | May 22 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | and noticed he had spliced wires with a box cutter | May 22 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | and duct taped them back together | May 22 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | *he | May 22 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | I told the landlord about it and that I would be over there watching him every day "until we get this right" | May 22 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | lol | May 22 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | his son hates me | May 22 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | he was PISSED | May 22 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | I even made him go out and buy GFI boxes for the outlets near the sink | May 22 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | It old the landlord he had three options | May 22 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | 1. I make sure his son redoes everything to code. | May 22 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | 2. I do everything to code and he can take it off my rent. | May 22 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | 3. I go tell the building inspector to take a look. | May 22 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | he backs down if you confront him forcefully enough | May 22 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | that made me so mad that that kitchen was going to be a tinderbox | May 22 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | I lost it over the phone with that guy | May 22 22:40 |
| schestowitz | then came Ritalin | May 22 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | no, this was ON my prozac and Lithium | May 22 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | he knew I was about to come down there and make him wear his ass around his neck at some point | May 22 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Lithium, eh? | May 22 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | yep | May 22 22:41 |
| schestowitz | How's that? | May 22 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | bipolar | May 22 22:41 |
| schestowitz | I never did illegal drugs BTW | May 22 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Alcohol is legal here for some reason | May 22 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | Lithium is prescribed by my doctor | May 22 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | I take it as prescribed, it has no abuse potential not that I would | May 22 22:42 |
| schestowitz | why did they prescribe it to you? | May 22 22:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Severed Fifth are getting ready to support Dublin Death Patrol on 17th June in SF - be sure to join us! http://is.gd/ifK8aZ #severedfifth | May 22 22:43 | |
| schestowitz | I'm very cynical about US healcthcare | May 22 22:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Severed Fifth to support Dublin Death Patrol | Severed Fifth .::. Size~: 21.35 KB | May 22 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | I have bipolar disorder | May 22 22:43 |
| schestowitz | It's like the way they treat cows | May 22 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Shove corn down thier throat | May 22 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Even if they cannot digest it | May 22 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | major depressive episodes, mixed states | May 22 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | mania, rage | May 22 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Then shove drugs down their throats to make up for it | May 22 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Never actually addressing the problem they cure | May 22 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Like life stress | May 22 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | in those states it is like my brain just shuts down and I don't even know what I am doing | May 22 22:44 |
| schestowitz | It's good for selling pills | May 22 22:44 |
| schestowitz | With side effects | May 22 22:44 |
| schestowitz | There's a drug for that, TOO :-) | May 22 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, both my meds are $4 a bottle | May 22 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | and insurance covers most of that | May 22 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 22 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I don't care if they do only pay $1.50 a bottle | May 22 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | you're damned right I'm submitting it | May 22 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | what do I pay them for? right? :D | May 22 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Watched this the other day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Liq62XqRSpg | May 22 22:45 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, He tried putting my on atypical antipsychotics, like Abilify, those are some nasty shit | May 22 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | and $397 a bottle too because, patents | May 22 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | they hate it when you refuse to take the patented stuff | May 22 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | I told him he could give me non-patented medication or I would find another doctor | May 22 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | I don't feel like being a slobbering vegetable so that Eli Lilly can make $400 on a bottle of pills that cost $2 to make | May 22 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | (I said that to him too) | May 22 22:47 |
| schestowitz | LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI41Ai6zies | May 22 22:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Help Me Get Laid! .::. Size~: 118.52 KB | May 22 22:47 |
| schestowitz | From yesterday | May 22 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The guy is obviously used to patients who will do whatever he says | May 22 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | even if the treatment is less effective | May 22 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | and produces more undesirable side effects | May 22 22:48 |
| schestowitz | maybe Eli gave him some Lily :-) | May 22 22:48 |
| schestowitz | the green colour | May 22 22:49 |
| MinceR | not Lilly? | May 22 22:49 |
| schestowitz | yes | May 22 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | I know when I'm getting screwed, I'm nuts, not stupid :P | May 22 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | May 22 22:49 |
| schestowitz | screwed and nuts | May 22 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | woohoo!!! | May 22 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 22 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, and they let me keep my arsenal, maybe you should fear the US gun laws | May 22 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know | May 22 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | nobody has ever pushed me to the point where I seriously thought about shooting them, but I have beaten the crap out of people before | May 22 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | hence, some familiarity with the legal system | May 22 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | I've represented myself twice | May 22 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | legal system likes to make misdemeanors just go away | May 22 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | if you submit to the court that you demand your right to a jury trial, the prosecutor comes back with a better offer | May 22 22:51 |
| schestowitz | I'd love to represent myself | May 22 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | anger management? ok | May 22 22:52 |
| schestowitz | It looks like fun | May 22 22:52 |
| schestowitz | But I was never in such a position | May 22 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | it is fun, you get to dress up and use big words | May 22 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 22 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Imagine what would happen if Microsoft execs actually got served | May 22 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | then play the attack the "victim" and "blow holes in the prosecutor's case" game | May 22 22:53 |
| schestowitz | For their crimes (too rich to be prosecuted) | May 22 22:53 |
| schestowitz | !google ballmer monkey dance | May 22 22:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - YouTube - Steve Ballmer going crazy | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DwvsboPUjrGc | May 22 22:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - YouTube - Steve Ballmer - Dance Monkey Boy! | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DedN4o8F9_P4 | May 22 22:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Steve Ballmer "Dance Monkeyboy" video | http://video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D1274983729713522403 | May 22 22:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - That Funny Steve Ballmer Video Thing | http://www.ntk.net/ballmer/mirrors.html | May 22 22:53 |
| schestowitz | "Member of the Jury................... STEEEEEVE BALLMER!" | May 22 22:53 |
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| DaemonFC | you know, mention that the person you allegedly struck has an extensive arrest record. | May 22 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Ask the judge why the police didn't take any photos and it's just my statement "No Comment" vs. theirs | May 22 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Back in the days, before YouTube, it was hard to spread this video around for people to see how crazy he is | May 22 22:54 |
| schestowitz | I remember having to link to some Finnish page | May 22 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | ask the police exactly what they saw on cross examination | May 22 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | then go to the prosecutor "about that deal" | May 22 22:55 |
| schestowitz | a couple of months ago this arogant man in his 760s and a BMW ran over my foot | May 22 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | sue! | May 22 22:55 |
| schestowitz | He didn't even notice or care | May 22 22:55 |
| schestowitz | He just drove on | May 22 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, You should have sued | May 22 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | filed it as you v. John Doe if you had to | May 22 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Frankly, I'm not sure he even knew what was going on | May 22 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | does that work over there? | May 22 22:56 |
| schestowitz | No harm done | May 22 22:56 |
| schestowitz | But the funny thing is | May 22 22:56 |
| schestowitz | He looked at me while this happened | May 22 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Nonchalant | May 22 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | he ran over your foot and no injury? | May 22 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | must be one of those Eurotoycars | May 22 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 22 22:56 |
| schestowitz | He got just the tip of the show | May 22 22:56 |
| schestowitz | *shoe | May 22 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | lucky | May 22 22:57 |
| schestowitz | yeah :-) | May 22 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | I've never managed to break a bone before | May 22 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | but I've been bruised up really bad | May 22 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | couple of head injuries, concussion once | May 22 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | those bleed like crazy | May 22 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | for some reason, pain never really bothered me | May 22 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | but it does cause an adrenaline rush sometimes | May 22 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | leads to expletives, wrapping yourself in paper towels on the way to the hospital | May 22 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | fun times | May 22 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Did you pay for ER from 2009? | May 22 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | nope, not a cent | May 22 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not worried about it | May 22 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | if they were going to do anything they would have by now | May 22 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I don't have a landline because of collection agencies largely | May 22 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | I get a disposable cell and if they find me I change the number | May 22 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | my credit is destroyed for a while though, until that falls off | May 22 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'll "try" not to get sick again | May 22 23:04 |
| schestowitz | !google "if you get sick die quickly" | May 22 23:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - YouTube - Raw Video: If You Get Sick, 'Die Quickly' | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DbSRo51SbQQs | May 22 23:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - YouTube - Alan Grayson on the GOP Health Care Plan: "Don't Get ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D-usmvYOPfco | May 22 23:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - breakingpoint: Grayson was right - if you get sick die quickly | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/breakingpoint/nurses-layoffs-executives-attack_n_862741_88702841.html | May 22 23:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - GOP to Uninsured: Don't Get Sick, if you Get Sick, Die Quickly ... | http://www.juancole.com/2011/01/gop-to-uninsured-dont-get-sick-if-you-get-sick-die-quickly-part-deux.html | May 22 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | saw that | May 22 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | he's right | May 22 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | nothing has changed, the changes in the "health care reform" are designed to enrich for profit insurance companies | May 22 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | and the few bad things it did fix about our system were minor | May 22 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/0OyGP.jpg+http://i.imgur.com/ghWqh.gif | May 22 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/0OyGP.jpg+ http://i.imgur.com/ghWqh.gif | May 22 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | and it may contain an unconstitutional provision (forces you to pay them and sics the IRS on you if you don't) | May 22 23:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | May 22 23:07 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm sure our courts will do nothing to strike that | May 22 23:07 |
| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/jtpAh.png | May 22 23:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | May 22 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | I am so not right-wing it's not even funny. YOu paint me as such a lot. | May 22 23:08 |
| MinceR | not creepy at all! | May 22 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | There's only a couple issues I agree with them on. | May 22 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I've thought about running for circuit court judge, you don't need a law degree for that. | May 22 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | I'd get a chance to fix the little miscarriages of justice. :) | May 22 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | infractions, civil lawsuits, an odd misdemeanor here and there | May 22 23:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Victim of #roadrage incident of sorts. Faith in humanity seriously tested. !disturbing | May 22 23:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Did Abramovic lose #Chelsea the title by imposing #Torres of Ancelotti? They were going reasonably well before that !football | May 22 23:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Did Abramovic lose #Chelsea the title by imposing #Torres on Ancelotti? They were going reasonably well before that !football | May 22 23:22 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Hi Roy! | May 22 23:25 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: You were talking about holograms of planes in 9/11. | May 22 23:25 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: There's an organized group of people who say that no planes hit the WTC, all the videos were faked, and the WTC was destroyed by energy beams. | May 22 23:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] all #Torres seemed to do was upset the balance #Chelsea had, Ancelotti's not been given time to blend him in, not his fault he's shoved in | May 22 23:27 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: It is very likely that these people are running a COINTELPRO operation. | May 22 23:27 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: To make people think that 9/11 researchers are crackpots. | May 22 23:27 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/disinfo.html | May 22 23:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The No-WTC-Planes/Video-Fakery/Energy-Beams Disinformation Gang .::. Size~: 14.87 KB | May 22 23:28 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Their strategy of confusion seems to have worked on you. You are confusing them with the real researchers. That is their goal. | May 22 23:29 |
| schestowitz | no | May 22 23:30 |
| schestowitz | I was joking | May 22 23:30 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Oh. Good! | May 22 23:31 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: If you can poke holes in the 9/11 research as I report it on http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/ please talk with me about it. | May 22 23:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The 9-11 Attacks Were Perpetrated By Agents Of The U.S. And Israeli Governments .::. Size~: 20.65 KB | May 22 23:32 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: I am a very rational person, and I do not believe in things without proof. | May 22 23:32 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: You would have to look at the research websites I link to. Most of the evidence and analysis is there. | May 22 23:33 |
| schestowitz | some people mention that hologram thing | May 22 23:33 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Those are the organized disinfo people. Judy Wood, James Fetzer and others. | May 22 23:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/05/10-addictive-games-from-chrome-web.html | May 22 23:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 10 Addictive Games from Chrome Web Store | Tech Drive-in .::. Size~: 54.17 KB | May 22 23:33 |
| schestowitz | hm... this in Linux sits? | May 22 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Proprietary and chrome... | May 22 23:34 |
| schestowitz | msb_: no, it's someone from the gmy | May 22 23:34 |
| schestowitz | I thin | May 22 23:34 |
| schestowitz | I think he just mentioned this thing he saw on the Web | May 22 23:34 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: The disinfo gang has lots of websites. | May 22 23:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Gotta love computers. It's either that, or take a baseball bat to them :) | May 22 23:35 | |
| msb_ | What they claim is obviously bogus. Thousands of people were watching the WTC after the first plane crash, so they saw the second one directly. Thus the claim that no planes hit is obviously bogus. | May 22 23:36 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't have to be designed dininfo, could be some k00ks in search of attention | May 22 23:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] If I was a betting man, I wouldn't put money on #Wenger being in charge of #Arsenal at the start of next season !football | May 22 23:37 | |
| msb_ | But they disinfo gang says that they themselves are the only real 9/11 researchers. That's in order to confuse people into thinking the real researchers are nuts. | May 22 23:37 |
| schestowitz | But surely that would help streotype all other theories | May 22 23:37 |
| schestowitz | I only subscribe to the claim that the US could do more to prevent the attacks | May 22 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Which is probably true | May 22 23:37 |
| schestowitz | And those calling for better report/investigation usually stress this one point | May 22 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Too many hijackers and none caught, with a weapon too | May 22 23:37 |
| schestowitz | The more reasonable allegation is that more could be done to prevent at least some of these attacks | May 22 23:38 |
| schestowitz | And some went to flight school too | May 22 23:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] if #Wenger is still there, he'll have some changes to make in his approach, & have convinced the board & fans he can change !football | May 22 23:38 | |
| msb_ | They could be some kooks, just like the anti-Linux propagandists in COLA could just be a bunch of kooks. But I am certain most of them are working for Microsoft. It is a much more likely scenario. | May 22 23:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/skype-ubuntu-messaging-menu-notifyosd.html | May 22 23:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Skype Ubuntu Messaging Menu / NotifyOSD Integration ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog .::. Size~: 74.04 KB | May 22 23:39 |
| schestowitz | What a fail | May 22 23:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: see this? | May 22 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu love MSskype | May 22 23:39 |
| schestowitz | I think.. | May 22 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft doesn't hjre shills | May 22 23:40 |
| schestowitz | It liaises with PR agencies | May 22 23:40 |
| schestowitz | It's *their* jobs to shill | May 22 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Ubuntu provide propritary software | May 22 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | however Skype isn't by default | May 22 23:40 |
| msb_ | But scientific analysis of the evidence proves that the towers fell because they had pre-planted thermite and explosives. There's no way any "terrorists" could have put them there. | May 22 23:40 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_PR_Agencies | May 22 23:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft PR Agencies - Techrights .::. Size~: 13.14 KB | May 22 23:41 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and I meant codecs in repo, and software for sale in the Software Cente propritary softwaer and so on | May 22 23:41 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Many Ubuntu users will stlli like Skype really, even when Microsoft owns them | May 22 23:41 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: it's a shame, ain't it? (for Canonical) | May 22 23:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @TonyclementCPC: #Canucks look like the team of destiny this year. I say that without any desire to jinx... | May 22 23:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @digimer: BoingBoing has picked up #FreeByron's story! http://bit.ly/iKqshJ | May 22 23:42 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Byron Sonne: Canadian security geek jailed for taunting G20 security theatre - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 67.46 KB | May 22 23:42 |
| schestowitz | WTC was designed ages ago | May 22 23:42 |
| schestowitz | And it was not resistant to fuel combustion like this - simpler explanation | May 22 23:42 |
| msb_ | We really need a SIP client that is as simple to set up as Skype. I could not get any of them to work and I am a software and electronics engineer (non-degreed). | May 22 23:42 |
| schestowitz | why leap to govt. conpiracy? | May 22 23:42 |
| msb_ | Fuel combustion could not have produced the massive puddles of molten iron that were found under the rubble. | May 22 23:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Songs I didn't think I'd hear on TV -- @JyotiMishra's Another Lover -- unfortunately the track is skipping like crazy. #MusicChoice | May 22 23:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @hayleycampbelly: My house is full of Canadians watching hockey & I think someone won. Whoever was supposed to win, won. Much cheering. | May 22 23:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @jkoblovsky: last post very ironic considering the IP leak actually helped the product buzz! #c32 | May 22 23:43 | |
| msb_ | And it could not have produced the huge amount of high-tech thermite flakes that were found in the dust. | May 22 23:43 |
| oddpuck | ME LIKE HOCKEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | May 22 23:44 |
| oddpuck | but I was rooting for San Jose | May 22 23:44 |
| oddpuck | :( | May 22 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: That's not an offical Ubuntu website | May 22 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: also the Skype thing that they are on about, isn't offical either | May 22 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | also yep loads of Ubuntu users will want Skype even though Microsoft own them now | May 22 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | ,because they are Windows users as well or ex Windows users that want stuff from Windows, so whatever | May 22 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | is this ashame for Canonical? I woudn't say so | May 22 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | that's Canonical wanting these users using Ubuntu anyway, and targetting them, with propritary software for sale in the software centre and so on | May 22 23:46 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: if they legally could, and morally could provide Skype by default in the distro, in the future, braking the free software in Ubuntu by default only thing, woudn't suprsie me | May 22 23:47 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu are far from being a Free Software Foundation recognised free software only dstiro | May 22 23:47 |
| msb_ | I sought help in the #ekiga irc. They told me to ask in their mailing-list. Non-interactive help by mail is going to take forever to fix my audio problems with ekiga. | May 22 23:47 |
| msb_ | SIP is not ready for general use yet. | May 22 23:48 |
| schestowitz | this was a big building | May 22 23:49 |
| schestowitz | lots of dust | May 22 23:49 |
| schestowitz | so any 'plant' would be in small amounts | May 22 23:49 |
| schestowitz | and all the "truthers" show is people who CLAIM to have gotten a sampl | May 22 23:50 |
| schestowitz | It's not verifiable | May 22 23:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] odd term "he can't stop scoring" - the implication is that he's TRYING to stop !football #mustnottryharder | May 22 23:50 | |
| schestowitz | Same for molten iron | May 22 23:50 |
| schestowitz | They were not there checking for iron right aftet the collapse | May 22 23:50 |
| schestowitz | [23:48] <msb_> SIP is not ready for general use yet. | May 22 23:51 |
| schestowitz | i use it fine | May 22 23:51 |
| schestowitz | hours nonstop | May 22 23:52 |
| ThistleWeb | you think you're an example of general use? | May 22 23:52 |
| msb_ | Sure, once you get it working it keeps working. I can't get it working. | May 22 23:52 |
| ThistleWeb | someone who scripts apps to open on certain desktops with keyboard shortcuts? | May 22 23:52 |
| schestowitz | ekiga didn't need special configuration | May 22 23:53 |
| schestowitz | just opening an account | May 22 23:53 |
| schestowitz | recording was the hard part | May 22 23:53 |
| msb_ | You wanna help me troubleshoot my ekiga installation? | May 22 23:54 |
| schestowitz | sure | May 22 23:55 |
| msb_ | Of course I understand that it works for some people. But it doesn't work for me, and Skype does. Google-talk also does, apparently, according to its VU meters, although nobody as talked to me on it yet. | May 22 23:55 |
| schestowitz | but I'm not an ekiga dev | May 22 23:56 |
| msb_ | Great! | May 22 23:56 |
| schestowitz | skype doesn't work for me | May 22 23:56 |
| schestowitz | never did | May 22 23:56 |
| schestowitz | since I started trying in 2008 | May 22 23:56 |
| msb_ | You're kidding, right? | May 22 23:56 |
| schestowitz | I tried may cams | May 22 23:56 |
| schestowitz | None worked | May 22 23:56 |
| schestowitz | And it was skype's fault | May 22 23:56 |
| msb_ | Does it work for voice? | May 22 23:56 |
| schestowitz | All the Linux SIP clients found the cams fine | May 22 23:56 |
| schestowitz | same for Tim | May 22 23:56 |
| schestowitz | SIp apps correctly get his cam | May 22 23:56 |
| msb_ | Does skype work for voice for you? | May 22 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Skype doesn't | May 22 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Skype is rubbish for it | May 22 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Good match for the Vole :-) | May 22 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Shoddy software since acquisition | May 22 23:57 |
| msb_ | Does skype work for voice for you? | May 22 23:57 |
| schestowitz | skype works for voice, yes | May 22 23:57 |
| ThistleWeb | <schestowitz> Shoddy software since acquisition << skype? | May 22 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Not sure it did initially | May 22 23:57 |
| msb_ | ok | May 22 23:57 |
| schestowitz | IIRC I had to mess with it a little | May 22 23:57 |
| msb_ | I've never used it for video. | May 22 23:57 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yes | May 22 23:57 |
| schestowitz | It has large userbase | May 22 23:58 |
| schestowitz | But it's rubbish in some ways | May 22 23:58 |
| schestowitz | It's a botnet | May 22 23:58 |
| schestowitz | That's what makes it powerful for network pipes | May 22 23:58 |
| ThistleWeb | ahh, so despite not actually changing in anything other than ownership, it's suddenly went downhill | May 22 23:58 |
| schestowitz | It's where SIP is lacking | May 22 23:58 |
| schestowitz | And a friend told me that Skype for hypePad is rubbish resolution | May 22 23:58 |
| schestowitz | like a phone app | May 22 23:58 |
| ThistleWeb | or has there been a new version released since the takeover? | May 22 23:58 |
| schestowitz | I never praised skype | May 22 23:58 |
| schestowitz | That's Tim | May 22 23:58 |
| schestowitz | I think | May 22 23:59 |
| ThistleWeb | as far as I understand, it's the same software before and after | May 22 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Although he too has cam issues | May 22 23:59 |
| schestowitz | I wasted like 10 hours of my life trying to get webcams to work in skype | May 22 23:59 |
| ThistleWeb | that's not to say it won't change in the future, it probs will | May 22 23:59 |
| schestowitz | That's what I call rubbish proprietaruy | May 22 23:59 |
| schestowitz | I doubt Microsoft will fix it | May 22 23:59 |
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