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schestowitzThey'l just break it moreMay 23 00:00
ThistleWebI don't get why it's suddenly shoddy after the takeoverMay 23 00:00
schestowitzUnless you use WP7May 23 00:00
DaemonFCwell that was officially hellMay 23 00:00
ThistleWebit hasn't changed yetMay 23 00:00
schestowitzThistleWeb: not what I said...May 23 00:00
*DaemonFC is fixing an air conditioner May 23 00:00
schestowitzIt was shoddy beforeMay 23 00:00
schestowitzAnd afterMay 23 00:00
schestowitzIt's not feature richMay 23 00:00
schestowitzNot so user-friendlyMay 23 00:00
schestowitzI can't easily get to grips with some optionsMay 23 00:00
schestowitzIt's not designed rightMay 23 00:00
schestowitzLike sorting by list criteriaMay 23 00:01
schestowitzOr all sorts of call buttonsMay 23 00:01
schestowitzNon-intuitiveMay 23 00:01
schestowitzLinphone makes more sense I thinkMay 23 00:01
ThistleWeb<schestowitz> Shoddy software since acquisition  << "since acquisition" implying there's been a changeMay 23 00:01
ThistleWebnothing has changed yet with skype since Microsoft bought itMay 23 00:02
schestowitzI meant it differentlyMay 23 00:02
msb_schestowitz: ekiga prints this error when it starts:     XCAP error: UnauthorizedMay 23 00:02
schestowitzI realised after I wrote itMay 23 00:02
schestowitzWhat I mean was:May 23 00:02
ThistleWebyeah lol, bet you didMay 23 00:02
schestowitzSometimes Microsoft buys something decentMay 23 00:02
schestowitzAnd then ruins itMay 23 00:02
msb_I'm running it from a konsole.May 23 00:03
schestowitzWith skype they just bought a userbaseMay 23 00:03
schestowitzBut the software is shoddy since the moment they bought itMay 23 00:03
schestowitzSo not much harm they can do, except to the userbaseMay 23 00:03
schestowitzSame with hotmaiMay 23 00:03
schestowitzThey bought a userbaseMay 23 00:03
schestowitzAnd broke the sofwtareMay 23 00:03
schestowitz[00:02] <ThistleWeb> nothing has changed yet with skype since Microsoft bought itMay 23 00:03
ThistleWebwow, so it wasn't shoddy before, if it only became shoddy when it changed handsMay 23 00:03
schestowitzTechnically they havan't bought itMay 23 00:03
msb_schestowitz: I also had a lot of trouble adding your SIP address to ekiga!May 23 00:03
schestowitzThey need to sign the deal AFAIKMay 23 00:03
msb_Whereas with skype, adding contacts is very easy.May 23 00:04
schestowitzmsb_: menu-add addressMay 23 00:04
schestowitzput name, addres, choose groupMay 23 00:04
schestowitzskype add contact is weirdMay 23 00:04
schestowitzConfusingMay 23 00:04
schestowitzYou don't know if you're addedMay 23 00:04
schestowitzit wasn't easyMay 23 00:05
schestowitz[00:03] <ThistleWeb> wow, so it wasn't shoddy before, if it only became shoddy when it changed handsMay 23 00:05
schestowitzNoMay 23 00:05
ThistleWebwhatever the deal, the software hasn't been updated sinceMay 23 00:05
schestowitzYou are using a sraw man argumentMay 23 00:05
schestowitzShow me where I said skype was goodMay 23 00:05
schestowitzC'mon, search for itMay 23 00:05
schestowitz!google schestowitz skype is goodMay 23 00:05
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - » Blog Archive » Goodbye, Skype | 23 00:05
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ThistleWebto imply it was suddenly shoddy despite no updates because the deal was on is just wrongMay 23 00:06
schestowitzbut I didn'tMay 23 00:06
schestowitzI always said it was shoddyMay 23 00:06
schestowitzI ranted a lot about it not working with WebcamsMay 23 00:06
schestowitzWhich Linux worked fine with\May 23 00:06
ThistleWeb"since the acquisition" means that was a point of changeMay 23 00:06
schestowitzAnd all the simplest SIP clientsMay 23 00:06
schestowitzAnd nothing changedMay 23 00:07
schestowitzI still say it's badMay 23 00:07
schestowitzThey reccently added Qt Curve supportMay 23 00:07
schestowitzBut that's just visualMay 23 00:07
ThistleWebexaclty, so it's nothing to do with the aquisitionMay 23 00:07
schestowitzAnd if I choose motif skype crashes in a bad wayMay 23 00:07
schestowitzWith the kitchen sinkMay 23 00:07
ThistleWebthat's fine, but it's nothing to do with any change of ownershipMay 23 00:07
schestowitz[00:06] <ThistleWeb> "since the acquisition" means that was a point of changeMay 23 00:07
schestowitzNo, I've clarified what I meantMay 23 00:08
ThistleWebif you say soMay 23 00:08
schestowitzMicrosoft bought something that since the start technically failedMay 23 00:08
schestowitzUnlike HotmaiMay 23 00:08
schestowitzSince the beginning they have shoddy softwareMay 23 00:08
schestowitzBut good userbaseMay 23 00:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @fontana In this particular case "Open Source company" seems to mean "company, which wishes to be percieved as Open Source company".May 23 00:08
schestowitzWhich makes the skype botnet aliveMay 23 00:08
schestowitzWithout this botnet skype would not work wellMay 23 00:08
schestowitzNo supernodesMay 23 00:08
msb_And I get a popup that tells me to configure my router according to this web page, which appears to say I have to open 104 ports -- one hundred and four -- to make it work: May 23 00:08
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schestowitzThe whole software is based on exploiting other people's machinesMay 23 00:09
schestowitzmsb_: ask MinceRMay 23 00:09
schestowitzSkype has a wormhole, with its botnetsMay 23 00:09
msb_schestowitz: ask MinceR about how to fix my ekiga?May 23 00:10
schestowitzI'd be worried if skype was bought as leader in technical termsMay 23 00:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Downtown Freddy Brown - I Shot Bin Laden: #parody #dtfbMay 23 00:10
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schestowitzIt's all just userbase and inertiaMay 23 00:10
schestowitzmsb_: no, why skype can overcome itMay 23 00:10
schestowitzhe knows better than I doMay 23 00:10
msb_overcome what?May 23 00:11
schestowitzSkype will stay poprietar not because of encryption of patentsMay 23 00:11
schestowitzBut because it's maliciousMay 23 00:11
schestowitzPeople would see what it does to their PCMay 23 00:11
schestowitzIt also pings every single person's _PC_ if s/he on your listMay 23 00:11
schestowitzThat's a big deterrenceMay 23 00:11
schestowitzThey need to have this information in some middleman like in IRCMay 23 00:12
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msb_schestowitz: Did you have to open all those holes in your firewall and router to make ekiga work?May 23 00:14
msb_schestowitz: The ekiga echo test works, sometimes, even without those ports opened.May 23 00:15
schestowitzmsb_: I didn't have to change network settings, noMay 23 00:16
schestowitzphoning..May 23 00:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] PBS Frontline's Tuesday show on WikiLeaks -- are they trying to implicate Assange in illegality? 23 00:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @mlinksva @ruiseabra haven't seen in WP, but I also hate GPL presented clickwrap style. Firefox 3.0.5+ "Know Your Rights" notice opti ...May 23 00:32
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msb_schestowitz: I'm now getting no sound at all from you.May 23 00:34
msb_schestowitz: Still seeing your video.May 23 00:35
msb_schestowitz: Nice teeth.May 23 00:35
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msb_schestowitz: No sound from you.  I didn't change anything at this end.May 23 00:35
schestowitzyes, I messed about too muchMay 23 00:36
msb_schestowitz: Can you hear me?May 23 00:36
schestowitzI can hearMay 23 00:36
schestowitzmy mixerMay 23 00:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Wuala: Secure Dropbox Alternative (Cross-Platform) 23 00:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @wayneborean Is that you in the video ?May 23 00:40
msb_schestowitz: I can no longer see  your address in ekiga.  It appears and disappears randomly.May 23 00:46
msb_schestowitz: Please tell me your sip address again.May 23 00:47
DaemonFCtwo air conditionersMay 23 00:48
*DaemonFC is ready this timeMay 23 00:48
msb_schestowitz: If it's it's saying you're not available.May 23 00:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RS @threethirty @SarahKSilverman: Israel & Palestine forced to work together, realize they're not so different after all #buddymovieformulaMay 23 00:50
msb_schestowitz: Good luck with RMS!  Better make sure he has earphones.May 23 00:50
schestowitzI can't call eitherMay 23 00:50
DaemonFCschestowitz, GE makes the shittiest air conditionersMay 23 00:51
DaemonFCbut it was a freebieMay 23 00:51
DaemonFC:PMay 23 00:51
msb_SIP really needs work!May 23 00:51
DaemonFCI think Linphone is probably the best replacement for SkypeMay 23 00:51
DaemonFCit's got bling and uses open protocol (SIP) and is free software (client is GPL)May 23 00:51
msb_Ekiga seems to have more features.May 23 00:52
DaemonFCand it works on Windows and Mac OS so there's no excuses for your friends to not use itMay 23 00:52
msb_than Linphone.  Both use SIP.May 23 00:52
DaemonFCright, open standard like XMPPMay 23 00:52
msb_Ekiga has a VU meter and pot for both mic and speaker.  That is _very_ necessary!May 23 00:52
DaemonFCfree and open standards are more important than free software if you want to draw a line between themMay 23 00:53
DaemonFCOperea is nonfree but it supports standards anyone can implementMay 23 00:53
DaemonFC*OperaMay 23 00:54
DaemonFCIE is nonfree and full of proprietary crap that is patent encumberedMay 23 00:54
msb_But ekiga seem so be flaky in many respects.  Various things in it work sometimes and not others.May 23 00:54
msb_I use only Firefox.May 23 00:54
DaemonFCI think I'll use Linphone because it doesn't require me to pay them in Euros if I want to call out to a landline or cellMay 23 00:54
DaemonFCEkiga did last I used itMay 23 00:55
DaemonFCprobably, Ubuntu 6.10May 23 00:55
DaemonFCwhen they shipped standards instead of crapMay 23 00:55
DaemonFCIdiots: "We want Skype!"May 23 00:56
DaemonFCUbuntu: "OK, drop Ekiga, recommend Skype"May 23 00:56
DaemonFCUbuntu is tainted because Canonical is unethicalMay 23 00:56
msb_I want SIP and a SIP client that works as well as Skype!May 23 00:57
msb_On voice.  I don't care about video.May 23 00:57
DaemonFCThey push Microsoft Windows API (through Mono) and recommend nonfree software that is tainted with nonfree protocols (Skype, soon to be Microsoft SkypeMay 23 00:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @wayneborean Indeed, very good ;-)May 23 01:08
DaemonFC/home/ryan/Music/Alice in Chains/Dirt/11 - Angry Chair.oggMay 23 01:23
DaemonFCa song about Ballmer? :)May 23 01:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @lxoliva People who are principled know when to stop.May 23 01:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @wayneborean Only if by "just" you mean "without mercy"May 23 01:25
schestowitzis the chair angry?May 23 01:26
schestowitzit might throw ballmer across the officeMay 23 01:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @wayneborean It's people all do, yes. "Mercy" does not apply to non-personal entities.May 23 01:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 22/5/2011: Zenwalk 7.0, Mozilla Firefox 5 Beta !techrightsMay 23 02:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 22/5/2011: Zenwalk 7.0, Mozilla Firefox 5 Beta #techrightsMay 23 02:10
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DaemonFChmmm, Linphone is in Fedora's repositoryMay 23 02:26
DaemonFCit's certainly a lot smaller than SkypeMay 23 02:27
DaemonFCschestowitz, I got a SIP addressMay 23 02:53
DaemonFChoorayMay 23 02:53
DaemonFCnow I need to tweak linphone a little :PMay 23 02:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] #KLM online checkin is broken in every possible way ATM. #FAILMay 23 03:52
DaemonFCworking around some of the landlord's son's fine craftsmanshipMay 23 03:53
DaemonFCdrained at least an hour out of my lifeMay 23 03:53
*DaemonFC mumbles and cursesMay 23 03:53
DaemonFCI told the landlord that from now on he can just save us both the trouble and not send his son over to fix things because I've forgotten more than that guy will ever knowMay 23 03:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] Which deinterlacer is best in !ffmpeg 2 !theora ? Linear blend, linear interpolating, cubic interpolating, median, ffmpeg, or FIR lowpass?May 23 04:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] Also, what is chrominance filtering? and luma filtering? so many options!May 23 04:20
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DaemonFCjono ubuntu member jono is here!May 23 04:22
DaemonFCBACON!!!May 23 04:22
jonohowdy DaemonFCMay 23 04:22
jonowhat have I done wrong this time? :-)May 23 04:22
DaemonFCnothing, you are practically perfect in every way :)May 23 04:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] Also, what is chrominance filtering? and luma filtering? so many options! !ffmpeg 2 !theoraMay 23 04:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] Also also, if i'm using high quality settings, do i still need/want to use deblocking and deringing filters? !ffmpeg 2 !theoraMay 23 04:23
DaemonFCjono@skype/ballmer/rulesMay 23 04:23
DaemonFCjono, how about using some of that bacon power to promote SIP?May 23 04:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @jezra sounds like something designed to detect shapeshifters serupticiously attaching themselves as spies #DS9 #StarTrekMay 23 04:25
jonoDaemonFC, perfection is covered in BaconMay 23 04:25
jonoI think Ghandi said it onceMay 23 04:25
jono<-- perfectionMay 23 04:25
DaemonFCdid they not also have pepper jack cheese back then?May 23 04:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] does anyone run a simulated !its? I need at least teco/emacs and assembler tapes...May 23 04:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @cwebber Latest !mediagoblin mockup from @schendje looks really nice I think. 23 05:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] awright, caminus be THUMPING tonight. @tdfischer @willbradley and @caity_did are working on La Villa Strangiatto with me. :3May 23 05:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] woohoo, colleague now runs !Fedora Design Suite to do the t-shirt designs for @beijingtee /cc: !beijing !chinaMay 23 05:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] !Fedora forgot to send you the blog post about @beijingtee using Design Suite: 23 05:30
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MinceRmsb_: unsure. maybe you can tell SIP to restrict the amount of ports to use. (looks like it only really listens on 5060 and opens the rest on demand, but i'm no SIP wizard)May 23 06:16
MinceRalso, SIP probably won't use the H.323 range :>May 23 06:16
msb_MinceR: Roy actually phoned me via SIP some hours ago and it worked!May 23 06:17
msb_MinceR: Without my opening any ports.May 23 06:17
msb_He said he doesn't either.May 23 06:17
msb_Then his sound quit.  And then neither of us was able to call the other.May 23 06:19
msb_I wish we'd recorded that call somehow.  It's probably the only time in my life that SIP will ever work!May 23 06:19
msb_If I had time I'd put a lot of diagnostic error and state printouts in ekiga so I could see what it was doing, or trying to do.  But I have other things I need to do...May 23 06:21
MinceRyou might want to try other SIP software tooMay 23 06:22
msb_Linphone has fewer features, and I couldn't get it to work at all.  The Jitsi rpm wouldn't load, and the source wouldn't compile.May 23 06:23
msb_I think almost everybody is  using Skype, and SIP is receiving very little dev time.May 23 06:24
MinceRthat's possibleMay 23 06:24
msb_But when ms actually buys skype, I'm going to be reluctant to use it.  It would be like stepping in shit.May 23 06:25
msb_Microsoft is so evil.  $100,000,000 for the SCO lawsuit.  I wouldn't be surprised if they actually have murdered people, like in _Antitrust_.May 23 06:27
MinceRapparently a SIP-aware router doesn't need to keep all the ports forwarded at all time, but probably most aren't SIP-awareMay 23 06:32
DaemonFCyeah, I gave up and installed EkigaMay 23 06:34
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tessier_I really like SIP. I really dislike NAT.May 23 07:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre sources have been available for a few hours now, pushing !gnewsense !yeeloong binaries in a bitMay 23 07:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @miguelsvieira: ♺ @linobocchini não precisa fumar para defender lei ... maconha. Como não precisa ser gay para defender a união civilMay 23 07:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] "It is not about face, but faith" :-oMay 23 07:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Ready to fly to Luxembourg. !FSFE and #samba in court for setting the record straight on #interoperability.May 23 07:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Why do they start boarding 25 passengers 40 minutes before departure and leave them in the sun on a bus w/o AC for 25 minutes?May 23 07:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] advertises special section w/ only hotels offering #freewifi connection. Still makes sense, alas. Think if #freecleanbedsheetsMay 23 07:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Finally getting around to reading the LWN interview with Shuttleworth. He comes across very patronising. Not to use stronger words....May 23 07:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] !ManUtd League Champions in 1908 and 2008 as well as League Champions ins 1911 and 2011.May 23 07:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Shuttleworth says copyright assignments will "weaken Canonical and strengthen the community". Masterful spin. OoMay 23 07:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wow. Shuttleworth is denouncing idealists as "ideologues". That reminds me of a book on Stalin I once read..... OoMay 23 07:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "Fundamentalists" now too. Man, this guy talks like a politician of the worst kind....May 23 08:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fabsh hey, isn't this the guy who founded some distro to be a fully free, easy to use debian? not that it went anywhere....May 23 08:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Love Shuttleworth ripping on GTK. Has he looked at his distro ever? That's the only thing they were using for years!May 23 08:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @jukkaeklund: Opera 11 for MeeGo tablet here: #meegoconfMay 23 08:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Develop4AppUp: A round up of our Application Lab at the MeeGo Conference, if you missed it, register for our ne... 23 08:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: QML Sudokumaster for the Nokia N900: #N900 #MaemoMay 23 08:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] In essence Shuttleworth is saying we need to give up freedom to "get anywhere in the world."May 23 08:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Develop4AppUp: Thanks for joining us for our successful #MeeGo Application Labs today! Find out about future... 23 08:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @rgunjan: NICE!!! RT @TheHandHeldBlog The Intel AppUp Application Lab in progress. #MeeGoConf 23 08:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] So why not have the balls to say that outright instead of hiding behing garden analogies and denouncing his critics?May 23 08:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGo_OS: #MeeGo Mark Guim: MeeGo Conference Day 0 Preview #MeeGoConfMay 23 08:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @thp4 Today's #MeeGoConf photos (add your own) #PySide slides mostly ready. Next stop: Hacker LoungeMay 23 08:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @meegoblog: LXer: MeeGo Tablet UX Can Already Run On Wayland? 23 08:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @jaffa2: RT @timsamoff: Some @maemo peeps at a #meegoconf-style dinner at @thestinkingrose. 23 08:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] karma's a bitch, Sony! maybe some DRM would help you out here? yeah, didn't think so. 23 08:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Partido Pirata elege na Catalunha ... Resultados provisionales - Elecciones Municipales 2011 - Mataró - 23 08:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Fuck me. Shuttleworth is on Larry's side in the OpenOffice debacle? And he claims to understand the "community"? WTF!?May 23 08:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] They had a gun to my face and a knife in my back, don't wind me up too tight.May 23 08:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Love how LWN is looking past all the Stalinisms and talks admiringly of "Shuttleworth's vision". Jesus Christ, LWN!May 23 08:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I sometimes think more people in the F/OSS world should study history or politics. People are obviously not seeing what's going on.May 23 08:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I really think we need more historians in F/OSS. And by that I mean proper history, not @bkuhn < 30 years programming "history". ;)May 23 08:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Radio Telescopes Capture Best-Ever Snapshot of Black Hole Jets - amazing pic (v @DavidBrin1 @mpesce) #astronomyMay 23 08:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I still have no clue what a "rowche" is.... OoMay 23 08:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 176 million downloads on 2011-05-23 07:12 UTCMay 23 08:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "Going faster doesn't help if you go in the wrong direction." - love this comment on the LWN article. Exactly my feelings.May 23 08:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fabsh it's what #ScoobyDoo says when he gets hurt, obviouslyMay 23 08:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @roningirl: Support EU Cities & Regions at the Digital Assembly by LIKING your favorite Local Govt ICT Project! ...May 23 08:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Firefox Developers Looking for Testers Willing to Join the Aurora Channel - could it be you? #mozillaMay 23 08:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Tarkovsky's Polaroid #pix - exactly as you would expect...May 23 08:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Interesting discussion on that LWN article.May 23 08:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ROFL. :D "This rare free (as in time)" - @methoddanMay 23 08:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Cinema chains dimming movies "up to 85%" on digital projectors - #DRM probably to blameMay 23 09:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] BBC #Libya coverage like so much foreign coverage 99% government line. The 1% so a BBC executive can say they are critical sometimes #failMay 23 09:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Starting the day with a #nescaféMay 23 09:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Seif Lotfy: #Zeitgeist’s new rockstars 23 09:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The always-expanding bipartisan #Surveillance State - incredibly worrying, with bit knock-on effects everywhere #usMay 23 09:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: CyanogenMod lets users select which permissions !Android apps can access [Video] 23 09:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Alex Chiang: !uds-o, #budapest scenery edition 23 09:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Listening to Aphex Twin "Selected Ambient works" (not vol 2).May 23 09:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU #copyright policy smacks of censorship, argue critics - disgraceful perversion, putting monopolies above libertyMay 23 09:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The costs of futility: a footballer’s guide to Twitter - ha!May 23 09:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Work on a free software GPRS/EDGE stack! - important projects needs help #mobile #freeswMay 23 09:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Hackathon Winner Docracy Is A GitHub For Legal Documents - "open source site to share and sign legal documents"May 23 09:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Human Rights Commission Asked to Audit Trans-Pacific Partnership - nice move: but will it? #tpp #actaMay 23 09:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] What? The Event cancelled? Idiots.May 23 09:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Is CentOS Not Open Enough? 23 09:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @th3k4ty: hello! i am maja! :) i'm am the product of th3k4tys tamagotchi cells! 23 09:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The e-G8: Promises and Problems - the Digital Axis of Evil? #eg8 #censorship #copyrightMay 23 09:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @lxnews Is CentOS Not Open Enough? 23 09:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #China detains 300 Tibetan monks after self-immolation incident - "Chinese police beat the [burning] young monk" #tibetMay 23 09:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] The UK court system just officially announced that they don't get the Internet or modern life in general for that matter: 23 09:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New Report Warns of Harmful Effects of Cell Phone Useage no worries.Big telecoms, like Big Oil, will pay researchers nowMay 23 09:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] I do not overplay the health angle because people are emotional about it left a gym when they installed antenna on roofMay 23 09:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Judge has "serious questions" about #Righthaven, halts all Colorado cases #copyright #trollMay 23 09:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: #Firefox 5 (Beta Channel) !Ubuntu !PPA 23 09:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL. Ars(e) Technica is complaining about shoddy science reporting? Most I've seen lately was from them!May 23 09:48
schestowitz"On the speculation of the funding behind Xamarin, de Icaza says his fledgling company currently has two committed angels, neither of which is Microsoft, and he's providing some of the initial funding himself. "I'm not going to rule out that I'd like to have Microsoft as an angel investor," de Icaza told me. "We have talked to a lot of people at the company, and they do like us. But for that matter, I wouldn't mind having Google and May 23 09:50
schestowitzeBay and RedHat and eTrade and Novell. We're pitching to everybody who will listen right now.""May 23 09:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Jon Stewart is awesome. That is all.May 23 09:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Cut red #meat intake and don't eat ham, say #cancer researchers - 850-page report...sounds credibleMay 23 10:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #FreeSBIE : Is Devil Live or Dead? "I had previous experience with another "dead" project: BerliOS." #bsdMay 23 10:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Introduction to #gnu #Linux Desktop Environment "overview of some of the most famous Desktop Environment of Linux..."May 23 10:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @muktware: Science Behind Controversial Design Decisions in Unity 23 10:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Firefox Developers Looking for Testers Willing to Join the Aurora Channel maybe I'll install Firefox 5 beta today...May 23 10:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: #Transmission 2.31 released, hits !PPA 23 10:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Shahi - "Shahi is a visual #dictionary that combines #Wiktionary content with #Flickr images, and more!" cleverMay 23 10:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] It Just Keeps Getting Worse for Sony 23 10:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Created a new Wikipedia page - 23 10:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Domain seizures: it’s good to talk I registered two "" domain names this month. ICE made .net, .com, .org dangerousMay 23 10:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Snow Leopard Font Update Requires Reboot for those who insist on using a Toy OS. #apple #OSuXMay 23 10:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Root Access Means No Movie Rentals for You! 23 10:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #DeutscheBank Goes After Whistleblower’s Son Banksters. Because truth tellers & family -- not greedy banks -- are bad?May 23 10:35
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amarsh04back in a few, trying a new kernelMay 23 10:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Kimberly-Clark Must Face Monopoly Claim monopoly to elevate the price of baby poop. Who benefits from patents?May 23 10:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Jonathan Thomas: #Muon Suite 1.2 Beta Released !kubuntuMay 23 10:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @th3k4ty hello! i am maja! :) i'm am the product of th3k4tys tamagotchi cells! 23 10:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #DistroWatch Weekly Issue 406 released. This week's feature story: #OpenIndiana - there's still hopeMay 23 10:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Android Fails to Authenticate over SSL, Vulnerable to Attack 23 10:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Done with news research for !LO. Now doing some uni work.....May 23 10:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @lxnews Android Fails to Authenticate over SSL, Vulnerable to Attack 23 11:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Phonehacking: Prescott stuns Westminster by winning judicial review - (v @DavidAllenGreen @martinjemoore @iandunt)May 23 11:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Coalition builds new national #identity system - as the No2ID man says: “the devil will be in the details" #ukMay 23 11:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Privacy & free speech - "We don't expect lovers to have installed surveillance, should always expect they might gossip"May 23 11:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Software AG acquires open source caching experts Terracotta - now let's see how they treat it... #opensourceMay 23 11:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks-Assange TED talk now in 38 languages 23 11:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] Missed our fun-packed IRC session on Friday? Have a gander at the full logs here: 23 12:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] Should Gnome become Linux-only? Let us know your opinions for our next podcast open ballot! 23 12:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] blogged: “Inconstant Moon” ~ update: Libreleft Books Blog ... 23 12:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] So, to quote the Beatles... "Hello, goodbye" !IdentiverseMay 23 12:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Launch of the Centre for Innovation in OSS in Rhône Alpes region - Pôle d'Innovation en Logiciels Libres - PILL #franceMay 23 12:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @quail hehe, !Linux World Map - 23 12:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Schoolgirl wins right to use iPod in exams: can't concentrate unless listening to music - bonkers (v @copyrightgirl)May 23 12:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Gates Monitor: January 2011 on Education nothing has changed. Having distorted the OEM channel, now doing same @ eduMay 23 12:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] USS Carl Vinson, the aircraft carrier that performed the sea burial of Osama bin Laden, is in Hong Kong since yesterday. 23 12:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] RDFa 1.1 with a rich snippet example 23 12:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @NeelieKroesEU: Practicing what I preach. Raw data from my TweetChat (1112 questions!) 23 12:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Highlights from !Linaro Technical Showcase 23 12:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @methoddan: The !linuxoutlaws show today will be at 3pm UK / 4pm Central Europe. Please spread the word :)May 23 12:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Tweet Chat a great success – thanks to you «  Digital Agenda Commissioner – Neelie Kroes .::. Size~: 32.07 KBMay 23 12:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @NeelieKroesEU: in fact it was 1112 responses to #AskNeelie, not all were questions. thx @ccbuhrMay 23 13:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Invitation Demo Flame Party Helsinki 23 13:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @NeelieKroesEU: EU researchers set data transfer record: 26 terabits (700 DVDs) per second!! 23 13:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @NeelieKroesEU: @hoxbot @monkchips email my assistant details bettina.zinterl@ec.europa.euMay 23 13:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Google blocks Android movie rentals from rooted devices, blames #DRM - how that #openness coming along, #google?May 23 13:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] SD Times: “Attachmate (a Microsoft Gold Certified Partner) buys Novell. Microsoft gives gobs of money to Attachmate.” 23 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Gates Monitor: January 2011 on Education 23 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] “Attachmate (a Microsoft Gold Certified Partner) buys Novell. Microsoft gives gobs of money to Attachmate.” #monoMay 23 13:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Mono wiki about to hit 20,000 non-cached pageloads 23 13:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Manhattan Project Considered as a Fluke - it's easier to make things go bang? #innovationMay 23 13:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] "TeK > Multimédia > Lady Gaga faz anúncio para Google Chrome" One more reason to not use #google's #chrome!! May 23 13:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] One more reason to not use #google's #chrome!!! 23 13:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] India's unwanted girls 23 13:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: The Manhattan Project Considered as a Fluke - it's easier to make things go bang? #innovationMay 23 13:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: #Mono wiki about to hit 20,000 non-cached pageloads 23 13:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @boycottnovell: Gates Monitor: January 2011 on Education 23 13:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Touchdown in Berlin. A whole week of @kolabsys meetings ahead. Chance to meet some old friends included.May 23 13:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @rms: Recording Device Censorship 23 13:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Schoolgirl wins right to use iPod in exams: can't concentrate unless listening to music - bonkers...May 23 13:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @brunomiguel: Não admira que a lady gaga se vista como veste. Com uma cara daquelas, convém andar com ela pelo menos meio tapada.May 23 13:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @qtbynokia Checking out a v cool Qt-based settopbox called the Freebox6 aka Freebox Revolution. (article is in French) 23 13:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @Marja_P: Getting out the data, blog by Neelie Kroes @NeelieKroesEU She asks open data examples & ideas; use #o ...May 23 13:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] !CoffeeScript is what we all wished !JavaScript should have been... it makes it a lot more entertaining (pythonic) to write ;-)May 23 13:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Elephant in the Patents Room #swpats #ibm #hadoop #google #apple #cartel #monopolyMay 23 13:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] The Elephant in the Patents Room #linux #foss #mobbyists #astroturfMay 23 13:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Video: Justin Frankel on Software Patents; New EPO Propaganda Videos #epo #monopoly #barnier #euMay 23 13:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Video: Justin Frankel on Software Patents; New EPO Propaganda Videos #swpats #protectionism #mathMay 23 13:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @Werner: Cloud computing meeting with @NeelieKroesEU - 23 14:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @mlinksva "We’ve come to understand that anything EULA-like is !disturbing" ...May 23 14:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] A counter-response: Education in 2030 | #opensource #FOSS #communityMay 23 14:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @mole #minecraft 1.6 due later this week #minersMay 23 14:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Goddamnit !Java 23 14:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @notriddle @lxnews two seconds for me to break it. mv su su.bak ; market ; mv su.bak suMay 23 14:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @qtbynokia: #Qt #Labs Blog - Qt SDK Update bringing Qt Creator 2.2 released 23 14:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @qtbynokia: #Qt #Labs Blog - Gerrit joined the Qt Creator project! - Please give a warm welcome to Gerrit, the new... 23 14:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @allaboutmeego: Linpus updates its #MeeGo products to 1.2 23 14:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ave/@ave] hopaMay 23 15:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #RichardBacon doing his best hack impression, repeated efforts to try & get trash talk from #DowntownAbby about the #BAFTA #Essex win #5LiveMay 23 15:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Why not build a normal site with, you know, text, images and links. Your use case is NOT SPECIAL, you are a bleeding restaurant directory!May 23 15:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @tux2 [Video] Google im Jahr 1999: So sahen Besprechungen aus :-) - AndroidPIT - 23 15:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: !GNOME Shell Weather Extension 23 15:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] RT @floeff The Document Foundation announces the members of the Engineering Steering Committee: !libo !tdfMay 23 15:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Ara Pulido: Given Enough Eyeballs, Not All Bugs Are Shallow 23 15:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Jorge Castro: Advert team survey 23 15:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Document Foundation announces the Engineering Steering Committee: [Good, diverse, experienced group]May 23 15:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] woke up an hour earlier than usual due to #meegoconf and now I get to listen to !lo live with my coffeeMay 23 15:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fedora/@fedora] RT @rackerhacker Fedora 15 drops tomorrow! 23 15:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Cool! :DMay 23 15:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Argh. Just had to tell another dimwit that Android is Linux.May 23 15:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @eebrah: RD: @fedora: RT @rackerhacker Fedora 15 drops tomorrow! cc @RamanusAsangoMay 23 15:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @wayneborean true, guys like spending time with guys, but they also love going home to the girlfriend / wife, without women that ceasesMay 23 15:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Gillard's office deleted intelligence agency data on Assange before FOIA release 23 15:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @vinzv: I just got mentioned on #lo. Mission accomplished for today.May 23 15:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh giving a new meaning to "another show, in the can"May 23 16:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Hahahaha!May 23 16:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fedora/@fedora] gives 7.5 reasons to look forward to Fedora 15: 23 16:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Linux wireless support education videos 23 16:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @yamanickill: Ehhh, should I worry about this? !miners (@nybill)May 23 16:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Caution on that "Call for Caution on Open Source" - I think some of you may enjoy this one... #fud #guardianMay 23 16:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] The first Calligra snapshot release 23 16:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Just had Global Menu Rage on !LO.May 23 16:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @jwf90: not at #meegoconf? they're streaming the keynote & a few sessions here (via @markguim)May 23 16:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] I should really head to #meegocon soon #sip_and_clickMay 23 16:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @wwwwolf: I'm going to to not touch !minecraft for a few days. "Just a few minutes to fix a couple of things" → hour gone. Can't do that.May 23 16:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @bkuhn @fabsh on !lo live show today:"I'm only going to use proprietary software that works well. If I'm going to be #evil, I'll be e ...May 23 16:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @eebrah: RD: @nj3ma: RT @mashablemedia: Lady Gaga Sells Entire New Album for $0.99 on Amazon - 23 16:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Time for some C programming!May 23 16:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Second FABRAGE of the night. *breathes slowly* !LOMay 23 16:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @idolrevolver: !minecraft beta 1.6 coming out Wednesday or Thursday! From!/notchMay 23 16:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] You would think that given Family Radio has $104mill in assets, they would not have a website from 1998 - 23 17:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Aslett: Opening up the Open Source Initiative 23 17:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] London, May 24: The case of Bradley Manning 23 17:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @windigo: Notch: "Aaaand I just nerfed fire. It will no longer spread infinitely." You're all safe... for now. !miners #windigoburnstheserMay 23 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @jukkaeklund: MeeGo for N900 Developer Edition for #meegoconf is released: #N900May 23 17:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the internet remake of #Misery "I'm your number one follower"? #humour #fbMay 23 17:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @chippy: Counting up the demos in the #meegoconf tech showcase, 80% are running on Intel. Significant?May 23 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Liquid data and the health information economy: Is 2011 finally the year? | #EHR #health20 #openstandardsMay 23 17:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lubuntu/@lubuntu] lubuntu on track to official status as Ubuntu flavour 23 17:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @methoddan: @fabsh I think that should be in urban dictionary. "Global menu rage" :DMay 23 17:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] is certainly the place to come to get discouraged any time one attempts to do good stuff.May 23 17:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Love it when people blame identica because they get criticism. What is it with people who can't stand criticism? Grow a FUCKING SPINE!May 23 17:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Or join the Yes-Men on Twitter and talk Bieber and Gaga all day. That's clearly more AWESOME and COMMUNITY.May 23 17:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] :D ♺ @maloki: I HAS TICKET! FOR OGGCAMP!! \o/ WOHoop :DMay 23 17:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] gotta love MPs cynically using loopholes in a calculated manor to avoid having to obey the same laws as the rest of us #RyanGiggsMay 23 17:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @sdanna: @mbjunior I'm all for wasting time on the internet, but why waste time on one of the internets most pointless debates?May 23 17:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] India starts trade talks with African countries in effort to rival China - human rights likely to go out of the windowMay 23 17:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @NeelieKroesEU: @euroced @DigitalAgendaEU Videos welcome in all languages #daa11eu - but working language of the conf is EN....May 23 17:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks cables push US-Pakistan relations to the brink according to ABC news 23 17:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Twitter accounts for 1 in every 184 UK Internet visits online - punching above its weightMay 23 17:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Photos of Kings of War demo day -- -- from Saturday at @pandybooksMay 23 18:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jrepin/@jrepin] ♻ @MeeGoConference: The #MeeGoConf keynote with Jim Zemlin starts in 15 minutes and will be live streamed here: !linuxMay 23 18:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Arduino Store Opens - great move - the ecosystem grows apace #openhardwareMay 23 18:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Hurt Locker Makers Target Record Breaking 24,583 #BitTorrent Users - they really know how to make friendsMay 23 18:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the #FSF version of influencing people by getting in their faces, lecturing them, belittling them never works, it only pisses people offMay 23 18:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Senate debate on #PATRIOTAct starts at 3 pm ET, watch live at, Washington Post preview at 23 18:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Forget The #Streisand Effect, I Think We've Seen The Dawning Of The Giggs Effect - as originator, @mmasnick should knowMay 23 18:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I'm SERIOUSLY getting #pissedoff with #Firefox4 I've been trying to get it NOT to steal all my CPU & RAM for 15mins now, 3xkills & countingMay 23 18:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Lady Gaga Sells Entire New Album for $0.99 on Amazon - *that's* how you compete with free... #abundanceMay 23 18:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Universal Music: We Need PROTECT IP Because Musicians Are Dying! - surely, it's much more serious than that...May 23 18:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Amazon Looks To Build Full-Fledged Publishing House - publishers: be afraid, be very afraid #ebooksMay 23 18:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] pity LadyGaga wasn't the one in the #RyanGiggs story, the baby like legal efforts would suit a #RyanGaga tagMay 23 18:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] ACLU+EFF: Who ratted on WikiLeaks? 23 18:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] this is the kind of coffee I would serve to someone I don't like. chair is comfy. #meegoconMay 23 18:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ACLU And EFF Want To Find Out Who Rolled Over When Gov't Came Calling For Info About Wikileaks | Techdirt .::. Size~: 49.64 KBMay 23 18:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @eebrah: @coyo Just wish everyone would stop being so damn sensitive. State your point and accept that others may not like what you sayMay 23 18:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Has #Canonical Convinced Linux Users to Pay for Applications? - #smartphone #apps may make that easierMay 23 18:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @andyc: Giggs playing away, eh ? Imogen that...May 23 18:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] maybe #RyanGiggs misunderstood what #Anonymous was about, & just wanted to be one of themMay 23 18:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !Listening to Billy Joe Shaver and throwing some sausages on the barbie. Slim Chance and the Can't Hardly Playboys FTW!May 23 18:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: The Gangs of Karachi 23 18:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @wayneborean they call it whatever they want, the arrogant tired old bullshit lecturing people is tedious & annoying, it's not about rightMay 23 18:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @wayneborean if you want to influence people, you first act in a way that doesn't alienate & annoy them, do that & you lose by defaultMay 23 18:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @cancivlib: Media Advisory: CCLA To Intervene In Ashley Smith Inquest On Tuesday 23 18:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @wayneborean what else? part of "freedom" is the freedom to call it whatever you like, but apparently that doesn't computeMay 23 18:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks comes to Malaysia via Malaysia Today & Asia Sentinal 23 18:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] Damn, I don't have a charger for my n810 #lameMay 23 18:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: Get A Minimalistic, Wingpanel-Like XFCE4 Setup in !Xubuntu 23 18:53
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schestowitzback..May 23 18:56
schestowitzgde33: hi, new here?May 23 18:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @dcthomas: the cat peed on my computer and killed the 2nd video output, also we're out of the good !coffee #happymondayMay 23 18:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @wayneborean who knowsMay 23 18:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] been trying for about 30mins to block him, Firefox went nuts 5 times in a row on that same page, Chromium did the sameMay 23 18:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @rsuplido: I'll be uploading #MeeGoConf pics as they happen, as I get the time: 23 19:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoConference: With so many people trying to watch the keynote, we're having a few issues with the Live Stream. Should be back soon.May 23 19:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoConference: Videos for all #MeeGoConf sessions, including the keynote will also be posted after the conference.May 23 19:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] My blog post about the !Ubuntu !PowerUsers: 23 19:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoConference We are facing live stream difficulties with our streaming server. We will be posting the Keynote recording asap. Our...May 23 19:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 177 million downloads on 2011-05-23 18:07 UTCMay 23 19:12
gde33schestowitz: hiMay 23 19:14
gde33schestowitz: what is this place?May 23 19:14
gde33schestowitz: I've been here a while nowMay 23 19:14
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MinceRit's an irc channelMay 23 19:15
MinceR:>May 23 19:15
gde33oh coolMay 23 19:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: On stage now is Tsuguo Nobe from Nissan - Car needs a internet connection #IVI #meegoconf 23 19:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: Nissan chose MeeGo as it is going in the right sirection for IVI - Tsuguo Nobe #MeeGoConfMay 23 19:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @NeelieKroesEU: 2 days to go before all EU Member States have to implement new EU telecom rules #DigitalAgendaMay 23 19:15
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gde33I just happen to have an irc clientMay 23 19:15
gde33what conincience May 23 19:15
schestowitz:-)May 23 19:15
schestowitzours was on autojoin I take it May 23 19:16
MinceR:>May 23 19:16
gde33I don't remember exactly, I was prommised a communist plot here I believeMay 23 19:16
schestowitzMinceR: you got me addicted to of images to opMay 23 19:17
schestowitzoopsMay 23 19:17
koolhead17hi allMay 23 19:17
gde33heyMay 23 19:17
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MinceRlolMay 23 19:17
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schestowitzgde33: none found here, ask for a refund ;-)May 23 19:18
MinceRhey, at least it isn't 23 19:18
MinceRoopsMay 23 19:18
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schestowitzhi _GoblinMay 23 19:18
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gde33schestowitz: dont worry I just discovered ##marxismMay 23 19:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Pre-Unity Ubuntu Netbook Launcher is resurrected; put in a !PPA 23 19:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @wayneborean I must be unlucky then, tried clearing cache & try again, that's a total of 7 in a row now ALL on that pageMay 23 19:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Tech Drive-in: Nautilus Elementary Ambiance Theme + Orange Themed Clarity Icons = Looks Nice in !Unity 23 19:18
*MinceR fully expects Troll2070 to be thereMay 23 19:18
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_GoblinMinceR, Troll2070?May 23 19:19
schestowitz 23 19:19
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_Goblindont tell me one of the COLA wintrolls has finally dared to chat in this channel?May 23 19:19
schestowitzgary triedMay 23 19:19
_GoblinlolMay 23 19:19
_Goblinbet that was goodMay 23 19:19
schestowitzwe got him IP addressMay 23 19:19
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schestowitzsick astroturferMay 23 19:20
_Goblinyeah...Ive been playing with him on COLAMay 23 19:20
MinceR_Goblin: he usually uses the "Ender2070" nickMay 23 19:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @wayneborean the odd thing is, it's on, not a 3rd party stausnet server, that's what I don't understand, why that one pageMay 23 19:20
_Goblinah....May 23 19:20
schestowitzdon't play with s/he/itMay 23 19:20
_Goblinhas he been on today?May 23 19:20
_GoblinlolMay 23 19:20
schestowitzMinceR: not alwaysMay 23 19:20
MinceRschestowitz: i think the electric shaver has right-of-wayMay 23 19:20
_GoblinI enjoy it.May 23 19:21
schestowitzMinceR: it's a taserMay 23 19:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] wow, rosetta in launchpad made internationalization a fairly easy processMay 23 19:22
schestowitz_Goblin: I found Gary's photosMay 23 19:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU Commission Sticks to Flawed #Copyright Repression - hopes no one will notice the #censorshipMay 23 19:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @wayneborean firefox 7 times in a row, once on chromium, over an hour fighting to kill these runaway apps while the blood pressure rocketsMay 23 19:23
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gde33I have this marvelous plan, perhaps you guys could advice me?May 23 19:24
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msb_Folks, I don't think Ender2070 is a troll.May 23 19:24
gde33The idea is basically a micro nation but it intends to govern the entire world.May 23 19:25
msb_He doesn't understand that working people need to organize in order to have any power with respect to the wealthy.May 23 19:25
gde33I've nominated myself to suppreme dictator already.May 23 19:25
gde33more of a joke I'm sure you understandMay 23 19:25
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gde33The idea is not just open government but a start from scratch.May 23 19:26
gde33it takes 300 seconds before the site becomes opperational 23 19:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] #lkml #qotd "It is faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a freight train. It is KERNEL MAN!" #linusMay 23 19:27
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gde33I'm a bit confused about assinging existing departmentsMay 23 19:27
msb_But "ClimateGate" was a revelation of e-mails from the scientists who insist that global warming is real, and the messages talked about manipulating and selecting their data in order to prove their claims.  At least one high-level guy resigned over it.May 23 19:27
gde33there are so many open source projects that could be relatedMay 23 19:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @wayneborean yeah, it's not doing anything it shouldn't that I can see, apart from killing my browser time after time after timeMay 23 19:28
gde33The way democracy works we can just create political parties to represent sub-departments something like pirate party only more ambitiousMay 23 19:28
gde33People can submit ideas and fund them if they like them (pay tax) May 23 19:29
msb_I am certainly no troll when I talk about the 9/11 attacks being an inside job.  There is conclusive scientific data that the WTC towers were destroyed by implanted explosives and thermite, not by the airplane crashes.May 23 19:29
gde33I consider all GW and 911 discussion trollingMay 23 19:30
gde33we have better things to doMay 23 19:30
msb_gde33: Who are you?May 23 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @NeelieKroesEU: new #EU telecom rules will achieve at least 3 things: (1) more competition in #telecoms markets 23 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] .@thistleweb Heck, try going there using https instead of httpMay 23 19:30
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schestowitzGoForbes28: hiMay 23 19:31
gde33msb_: I describe you one of my ideas in the hope you might have a good suggestion.May 23 19:31
msb_Oh, I thought that was pronounced "why".  8^)May 23 19:31
msb_gde33: Who are you?May 23 19:31
gde33why you ask?May 23 19:32
msb_Because I like to know who I'm talking with.May 23 19:32
gde33I'm gaby de wildeMay 23 19:32
gde33and you?May 23 19:32
msb_Or at least something about them.May 23 19:32
msb_Mark S Bilk -- cosmicpenguin.comMay 23 19:32
gde33msb_: I wouldn't say you are talking with me. You just ignored what I said?May 23 19:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @wayneborean maybe later when the blood pressure has loweredMay 23 19:33
gde33When that happens it isn't a discussion.May 23 19:34
GoForbes28hi, was gone from Sat, just got back nowMay 23 19:34
GoForbes28hows it going schestowitz?May 23 19:35
msb_gde33: I could not make sense out of what you were saying.  I was responding to someone else's remarks.May 23 19:36
gde33msb_: huh what?May 23 19:36
gde33lolMay 23 19:36
gde33msb_: nevermind thenMay 23 19:37
gde33[20:22:29] <msb_> ....working people need to organize in order to have any power with respect to the wealthy.May 23 19:40
gde33we all need to get organized together in order to have any power at allMay 23 19:40
gde33so we need OPEN SOURCE WORLD GOVERNMENTMay 23 19:40
gde33it should be obvious how such project should workMay 23 19:41
gde33and if we can manage to construct something like that all countries of the world can only merge into it.May 23 19:41
GoForbes28schestowitz: Anything important to note before I check in on your feeds?May 23 19:42
gde33taxes should be volentary and topical, there shouldnt be any voting - only research.May 23 19:42
_Goblin"taxes should be volentary and topical" - How would that work?May 23 19:43
gde33it works just like buying stuffMay 23 19:43
gde33just like mirco creditsMay 23 19:43
gde33100% legal toMay 23 19:43
gde33We get say a billion people onboard, then people can just elect their country to be part of the world government using their conventional elections.May 23 19:44
schestowitzGoForbes28: I put you in the editors pageMay 23 19:44
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gde33We could wait for the power hungry people to set up something like this. The infamous NWO thing.May 23 19:44
gde33But then one shouldnt complaint if one gets ripped off May 23 19:44
gde33If you want it done right you have to do it yourself.May 23 19:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] New Fellowship interview with Florian Effenberger on LibreOffice and The Document Foundation: 23 19:45
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_Goblinsorry, jumping into the conversation late is never a good when we have a world government, how about the parts of the new world who have different views on what the priorities are? Civil war?May 23 19:45
gde33run it like any other open source projectMay 23 19:46
GoForbes28schestowitz: Yeah, I thanked you on identi. :)May 23 19:46
_GoblinI'd guess that whilst people cannot even agree on religion then it would not last very longMay 23 19:46
_Goblinnice idea....May 23 19:46
GoForbes28schestowitz: Though any reason why it has to be my full name?  Everywhere else, it's just "G. Forbes".May 23 19:46
_Goblinheld back by human natureMay 23 19:46
gde33_Goblin: It is a good question, that would be the work involvedMay 23 19:46
gde33Religions agree perfectly, only the top of their power structure isnt about loving and caring.May 23 19:47
_Goblinour laws reflect our societies morals....what is legal in one country is illegal in another.....what makes you think that one government could accomodate every countries morals.....May 23 19:47
gde33but they will always give the impression they areMay 23 19:47
gde33_Goblin: it wont be a government based on rules and regulationsMay 23 19:48
_GoblinSo what about Christianity and Judaism?May 23 19:48
_Goblinfor the Jewish community Jesus Christ is yet to arrive....May 23 19:48
gde33Government should be intreperted as the stuff people do together.May 23 19:48
_Goblinfor the Christians he's already been.May 23 19:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @methoddan: Anyone in Liverpool looking for something to do tonight, come down to the Cavern and see 20lb Sounds play live http://20lb.netMay 23 19:48
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gde33The arival of jesus is a non topicMay 23 19:49
_Goblinits to highlight a differenceMay 23 19:49
_Goblinthats one...theres a thousand laws for numerous countries at odds with each otherMay 23 19:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @fontana No such thing exists.May 23 19:50
_Goblinand in anycase a one world would have a detrimental effect (I believe) on cultural of the most treasured things we have.May 23 19:50
gde33We get say a billion people onboard, then people can just elect their country to be part of the world government using their conventional elections.May 23 19:50
_GoblinI don't see the advantage (even if it could be possible)May 23 19:51
_Goblinand what of the "rogue" country which doesn't want to play?May 23 19:51
gde33the only goal is to all agree we need to work togetherMay 23 19:51
gde33either work together or be slaves for another thousands yearsMay 23 19:51
_Goblinbut are we really slaves?May 23 19:52
gde33the world government is going to happen if you like it or not.May 23 19:52
gde33the only question for you is if it should be made by the people or by the bankersMay 23 19:52
_GoblinI think that rather cheapens the real definition of slaves, the poor people who throughout history who actually were.May 23 19:52
_Goblinand the hardship they sufferedMay 23 19:52
gde33you want to make it yourself or you want it made for you by the bankers?May 23 19:52
gde33not at all, slaves are property. You cant fire them, you have to feed and house them.May 23 19:53
_Goblinwell.....neither to be fair, but I'd rather the bankers than myself...May 23 19:53
gde33in wage slavery you are left to dieMay 23 19:53
gde33you would rather be managed by a small elite?May 23 19:53
_Goblinbut come on, look back 100 years....poverty today is afluence compared to those times.May 23 19:53
msb_OK, there is a website here:   You seemed to be joking.May 23 19:54
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_Goblingde33, you make an interesting point re: Small elite.....May 23 19:54
gde33it is a highly primitive siteMay 23 19:54
gde33I cant remember the last time any politician did something truly amazing.May 23 19:55
gde33they just sit there talking their talk May 23 19:55
gde33it is like they don't even existMay 23 19:55
msb_Not anything _good_ and amazing.May 23 19:55
_GoblinAnd I think yes.  It has to be that way..... the human condition needs supervision otherwise its abused......its alot like leaving your front door open with money on the sofa.....would you really believe nobody would take it?  Supervision is there to ensure conformity because as a whole people cannot be trusted to act decently on their own.May 23 19:55
DaemonFCgde33, Wage slavery is about leaving you just barely enough money to live on and discarding you when your health fails May 23 19:56
DaemonFC:)May 23 19:56
gde33DaemonFC: exactly, goblin seems to like that idea.May 23 19:56
gde33_Goblin: I use to rent a big store and give people free beerMay 23 19:56
_Goblinno...don't make up my viewsMay 23 19:56
gde33for months I had coils scattered all over the placeMay 23 19:57
DaemonFCthe minimum wage laws should be tied to the consumer price indexMay 23 19:57
_GoblinIf you had asked I would have said that...May 23 19:57
gde33no one took a centMay 23 19:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] @wayneborean Hi Wayne!May 23 19:57
DaemonFCin my opinionMay 23 19:57
gde33coinsMay 23 19:57
DaemonFCafter an initial adjustment to bring them up to 1968 living standards May 23 19:57
_Goblinbenifit and social healthcare systems do need improving, but as I say compare poverty and hardship today to that of 100 years ago.May 23 19:57
gde33the whole wages per hour concept  needs to be abandonedMay 23 19:57
gde33there isnt that much work to doMay 23 19:57
DaemonFCthere's nothing wrong with wage per hour, it's the fact that the minimum wage law is such a joke May 23 19:58
gde331% of the us economy is agiculture now?May 23 19:58
ThistleWebaggressive culture? methinks more than 1%May 23 19:58
_Goblinnobody seems brave enough to say this so I will......May 23 19:58
DaemonFCI also happen to think they should end tax exemptions for having childrenMay 23 19:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Stable kernels and 23 19:58
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gde33pretending everyone has to work 8 hours per day for food and housing is completely insane, an idea that belongs in the early 1900'sMay 23 19:58
_GoblinWe need low paid workers doing menial tasks.......May 23 19:58
_Goblinas sad as that statement is.May 23 19:59
gde33we need machines for those taksMay 23 19:59
_Goblinits a fact.May 23 19:59
gde33it is a lieMay 23 19:59
msb_gde33: Gaby, you're proposing to set up an organization that anyone in the world can join, and it would have some kind of governmental functions.May 23 19:59
DaemonFCgde33, An 8 hour day is not that badMay 23 19:59
_Goblinso who will clear out the drains?May 23 19:59
gde33msb_: semi governmental functionsMay 23 19:59
_Goblinwho will clean public loo's?May 23 19:59
DaemonFCthe overtime law is intended to spread the workweek out to 8 hours a day 5 days a weekMay 23 19:59
ThistleWebthe standard of living in the west means paying people peanuts for a lot of stuff we want to buy, it keeps the prices affordable as throwaway itemsMay 23 19:59
msb_gde33: And ultimately if enough people joined it, it would become the world government.May 23 19:59
gde33msb_: exactlyMay 23 19:59
DaemonFCin the early 1900s, the average work day was 14-17 hoursMay 23 20:00
DaemonFCcompany dormsMay 23 20:00
DaemonFCno safety lawsMay 23 20:00
gde33msb_: and we could create a presidential candidate for the US and political parties for EuropeMay 23 20:00
DaemonFCkind of like China nowMay 23 20:00
ThistleWebmake those same goods in the west, with minimal wages, the price rockets, making them a LOT more out of reach for disposable incomeMay 23 20:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @x11r5 @encyclomundi Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration. A genius is often merely a vast improvement over kde3.5 and i agreeMay 23 20:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @floeff Feeling honoured of being this month's fellowship interview at @fsfe - !li ...May 23 20:00
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DaemonFCthe only country I think needs to be given a special trade status with the US is Canada May 23 20:01
ThistleWeb<_Goblin> who will clean public loo's?  <<there's one in Edinburgh made famous by Trainspotting that'd not be affected, since nobody cleans it nowMay 23 20:01
DaemonFCthey're close to a 1:1 trade ratio with usMay 23 20:01
DaemonFCnobody else isMay 23 20:01
gde33_Goblin: we can make machines for all kinds of production, only because starving people into submission is cheaper we do it that way.May 23 20:01
gde33most people are not in the loo cleaning businessMay 23 20:01
ThistleWebwe in the west are spending way beyond our share, to have the standard of living that we doMay 23 20:02
_Goblingde33, can I ask, how much do you earn? (im happy to quote my salary)May 23 20:02
gde33the japanese invented the self cleaning loo ages agoMay 23 20:02
schestowitzGoForbes28: I hadn't checked wiki spam for a WEEK. :-( What a mess... 23 20:02
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schestowitzJust cleaned it up, took agesMay 23 20:02
msb_With full use of the computer and robotic technology we have now, people could create all the goods and services we need by working one or two days -- maybe 10 hours -- per week.May 23 20:02
GoForbes28schestowitz: I'll keep an eye on it :)May 23 20:03
gde33ThistleWeb: prices are set by creating scaricty in the westMay 23 20:03
schestowitz_Goblin: traffic on techbytes and techrights has been increasingly despite us having less time for it :-)May 23 20:03
_Goblinthanks to the Wintrolls?May 23 20:03
_GoblinlolMay 23 20:03
ThistleWebpaying someone $1 per day is a LOT different to paying someone $8 per HOUR, to produce the same thingMay 23 20:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @georgzoche: Puh! Das war 'ne Menge Arbeit: "WELT MACHT GELD" jetzt endlich auch als eBook (Kindle): 23 20:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] In unrelated news, grilling olives wrapped in bacon was a genius idea by @th3k4ty. :)May 23 20:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Also, the Dixie Chicks totally rock!May 23 20:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UN food agency stunner: World loses/wastes one-third of total global #food production - insaneMay 23 20:03
msb_Most of human labor today is wasted -- competition, advertising, policing, imprisonment, speculation, etd.May 23 20:03
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ThistleWebthat gets passed on to the customer, making the selling price a LOT moreMay 23 20:03
ThistleWebripple that through almost everything on the shelves, and suddenly people don't have anywhere near the same standard of living, or disposable income after paying for the essensialsMay 23 20:04 pay people more and then charge them more at the shops....its all relativeMay 23 20:05
GoForbes28schestowitz: There's got be way for better spam controlMay 23 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good afternoon !identicaMay 23 20:05
gde33for starters, people need to grow their own food.May 23 20:05
gde33not everything but a good amount of itMay 23 20:05
ThistleWebpeople want to be ethical, but they want cheap prices moreMay 23 20:06
_GoblinI'm not a economist, but some wishy washy vision of a New World Order with everyone helping each other for the betterment of mankind, just won't nature the Human is greedy, selfish and self serving.May 23 20:06
GoForbes28schestowitz: PSI+ voice works!!May 23 20:06
gde33because if something happens, a natural disaster, a war, an economic crisis. We need people to survive beyond the 30 days worth of food in the shop.May 23 20:06
_Goblinits why we have to pay people to workMay 23 20:06
_Goblinthey wont turn up otherwiseMay 23 20:06
ThistleWebit's why stuff like Fair Trade coffee and chocolate is a minority thing, same with Organic stuffMay 23 20:07
_Goblinand I was listening how thats damaging...May 23 20:07
_Goblinyou know they charge the growers to be part of Fair trade?May 23 20:07
gde33_Goblin: you are not greedy if everything you want is provided forMay 23 20:07
_Goblinok...May 23 20:07
gde33perhaps lazy but not greedyMay 23 20:07
_Goblinand who is going to make this stuff?May 23 20:07
msb__Goblin: People are _not_ greedy, selfish and self serving by nature.  They are programmed that way by culture and childhood trauma.May 23 20:08
_Goblinwhat do you do with the person who doesn't want to help?May 23 20:08
gde33we give him more thingsMay 23 20:08
_Goblinwho says "Nah, can't be bothered....I'll get the stuff I need anyway"May 23 20:08
gde33exelentMay 23 20:08
_Goblinmsb_, its not culture...check out our history and our relationship with the animal kingdom.May 23 20:09
_Goblinman has big cave, sees his neighbour with bigger cave....May 23 20:09
gde33in the animal kingdom no one pays taxMay 23 20:09
gde33no one has a jobMay 23 20:09
gde33food grows on treesMay 23 20:09
schestowitz [20:00] <DaemonFC> in the early 1900s, the average work day was 14-17 hoursMay 23 20:09
schestowitzI know people who still work like thisMay 23 20:09
schestowitzTheir employers pretend they work a 40 hour weekMay 23 20:10
schestowitzBut work them overtimeMay 23 20:10
gde33there still is a slave trade to!May 23 20:10
_GoblinSo what then would people work together for? Are you saying lets dump tech and go completely back to nature?May 23 20:10
ThistleWebin the wild you catch your own dinner, or die of starvation........or die by not being alert enough to become someone elses dinerMay 23 20:10
schestowitzPay them pro-rata at what would be under minimum wageMay 23 20:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Listening to the live version of the Dixie Chicks' cover of !Dylan's "Mississippi". What a great song!May 23 20:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Wow, a 22" full-HD monitor for 1000 SEK? I had no idea.May 23 20:10
msb__Goblin: Read the book _The Chalice and the Blade_ by Riane Eisler.May 23 20:10
schestowitzThere's there's internships and work ppacement, i.e./aka total exploitationMay 23 20:10
DaemonFCschestowitz, Walmart does this to you if you're a mid-level salary managerMay 23 20:11
DaemonFClike I wasMay 23 20:11
schestowitz.May 23 20:11
schestowitz[20:03] <GoForbes28> schestowitz: I'll keep an eye on it :)May 23 20:11
schestowitzPay them pro-rata at what would be under minimum wageMay 23 20:11
DaemonFC60 hour weeks, on a salary that's supposed to be for 48 hoursMay 23 20:11
schestowitz.May 23 20:11
schestowitz[20:03] <GoForbes28> schestowitz: I'll keep an eye on it :)May 23 20:11
_Goblinmsb_, I am sure its very informative, the fact remains we have thousands of years of history where we developed from living in caves and formed what we have hasnt all fallen appart so I'd suggest its probably the best solution.May 23 20:11
schestowitz[20:03] <GoForbes28> schestowitz: I'll keep an eye on it :)May 23 20:11
schestowitzwanna co-edit?May 23 20:11
schestowitz[20:03] <_Goblin> thanks to the Wintrolls?May 23 20:11
schestowitzNeverMay 23 20:11
ThistleWebcapitalism is built around greedMay 23 20:11
_Goblinyep....May 23 20:11
_Goblinand greed is the driving force for mostMay 23 20:11
gde33_Goblin: progress is indeed the best solutionMay 23 20:12
_Goblingetting that promotion to buy a carMay 23 20:12
_Goblingetting a bigger house....May 23 20:12
ThistleWebit is a solution to some issues, but it's based on greed as the motivatorMay 23 20:12
schestowitz[20:03] <msb_> Most of human labor today is wasted -- competition, advertising, policing, imprisonment, speculation, etd.May 23 20:12
schestowitzTrueMay 23 20:12
gde33yes, we are all running in circlesMay 23 20:12
schestowitzHad this discussion today with a friend who came back from the US. About profit motive as advancer. I told him about PR... he has no comeback.May 23 20:12
DaemonFCschestowitz, Salary is just a way to work you unpaid overtime in jobs like the one I hadMay 23 20:13
DaemonFCit hacks around wage and hour lawsMay 23 20:13
_Goblinlisten, I don't think what you are saying is bad....I just think its impossible and will never happen.  Sure I would love to live in a world without poverty where everyone works together....but lets get real, it won't happen, why? Because by nature we have traits that prevent it from doing so.May 23 20:13
gde33_Goblin: you are just not imaginative enough but your vision (if we can still call it that) is a very popular one.May 23 20:13
gde33first you would have to see how the market is riggedMay 23 20:14
_Goblinoh, trust me, with my experiences in life I think I can now draw on many facets of society which you would never even see.May 23 20:14
gde33the us sends food aid to africa but that isn't the whole storyMay 23 20:15
gde33the food aid wrechs local marketsMay 23 20:15
gde33wrecks May 23 20:15
gde33the US tax payer pays for the foodMay 23 20:16
gde33but they never see itMay 23 20:16
_Goblingde33, What life experiences do you base your views on btw?May 23 20:16
gde33I'm giving you an exampleMay 23 20:16
_Goblinno, I'm just asking....May 23 20:16
_Goblinwhats the basis for your beliefs?May 23 20:16
gde33I'm a great marketeerMay 23 20:17
gde33now it is up to you to convince me marketing is all about telling the truthMay 23 20:17
_Goblinis it?May 23 20:17
gde33lmaoMay 23 20:17
ThistleWebit's been warped by the rich to maintain them as rich, so we don't any any real examples of any political system workingMay 23 20:17
msb__Goblin: The reason we don't have a utopian civilization now is not inherent human nature.  It is a competitive, dominating, anti-life, sociopathic culture that is imposed on us.May 23 20:17
ThistleWebno political system is a one-shoe for everythingMay 23 20:17
_Goblinmsb_, all those traits existed long before we organised ourselves into cultures.May 23 20:17
_GoblinThistleWeb, but this is the problem, whilst I will admit there is no system without flaws, others would suggest that these flaws prove that its unworkableMay 23 20:18
gde33yes, but people didnt know the truth back then.May 23 20:18
_Goblinand you do>May 23 20:18
gde33you should know better than to go die for the queenMay 23 20:18
_Goblinyep I do and I wouldntMay 23 20:19
_Goblinmy choiceMay 23 20:19
ThistleWebidea wise there's plenty of systems with merit, every country that tired them always skews it to corruption, and keep the elite in powerMay 23 20:19
_GoblinIm far from a "slave" or brainwashedMay 23 20:19
gde33you are informed enough thats the only differenceMay 23 20:19
_Goblinah..and nobody else does....I am the one in a million who can question the system....thanks for compliment but I think you underestimate the humans ability to think for itselfMay 23 20:20
ThistleWebcapitalism is the one most geared towards progress and growth, but it needs to be rebalancedMay 23 20:20
_GoblinagreedMay 23 20:20
gde33_Goblin: compared to 50 years ago everyone is well informed nowMay 23 20:20
_GoblincompletelyMay 23 20:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] This sports arena is sponsored by @fontana, the cheese company. :-) 23 20:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] I'm in the hacker lounge at #meegocon, who wants to play some foosball?May 23 20:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @goforbes28 darned if I knowMay 23 20:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @jezra: I'm in the hacker lounge at #meegocon, who wants to play some foosball?May 23 20:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] New in the blog spam comments department... Instead of actual porn links, porn comments clearly written in a translator, selling casinos.May 23 20:20
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_Goblingde33, so then if thats right, then I am right, this well informed us doesn't seem to want this NWO and is quite happy how things are.May 23 20:21
gde33the system is still corrupt enough for no  one to care what you thinkMay 23 20:21
ThistleWebfor the most part capitalism is the best we have, with some parts of society run under a different model as a saftey net for those who would otherwise be left behindMay 23 20:21
_Goblingde33, really, and there no examples of change brought about by individuals?May 23 20:21
gde33the system is not just ignoring your ideas, it is ignoring all of them with such efficency people don't bother having them.May 23 20:22
ThistleWebgde33: you've just answered why your world govt won't work....congratsMay 23 20:22
_Goblinwelldone you have just cheapened all the battles fought by minority groups to get their voices heard (and suceeded)May 23 20:22
gde33ThistleWeb: it is one of the big issues May 23 20:22
_Goblingay rights....May 23 20:22
gde33ThistleWeb: the means is not the endMay 23 20:22
_Goblinequal rightsMay 23 20:22
msb__Goblin: Archeological evidence presented in _The Chalice and the Blade_ shows that prior to about 5,000 years ago, most cultures were not exploitive, dominating, or male-supremacist.May 23 20:22
ThistleWeblast rights?May 23 20:22
ThistleWeberm....rites*May 23 20:23
_Goblinyep ! That tooMay 23 20:23
gde33_Goblin: When you are starving the free market gives you a kookie.May 23 20:23
gde33or wait...May 23 20:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh so far, it's been a lot of suits, macs, and windows machines.May 23 20:23
_Goblinmsb_, In a book I once read, archeological evidence was "proving" that the pyramids were built by Aliens...May 23 20:24
_Goblinmsb_, I don't need to go furtherMay 23 20:24
msb_And since we have not changed very much biologically in the last 5,000 years, that means that by changing our culture and child-raising practices we can have a utopian society again.May 23 20:24
gde33womans rights movement was funded primarly to have kids raised by the Tee Vee rather than their mum.May 23 20:25
gde33this is how we create self centered people.May 23 20:25
GoForbes28schestowitz: Sorry Roy, I was on the banhammerMay 23 20:25
GoForbes28schestowitz: You mean co-edit an article?May 23 20:25
msb__Goblin: "pyramids were built by Aliens" is a straw-man argument.  I think all of us here are smart enough to know that that is BS.May 23 20:25
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ThistleWebkookie sounds like something web browsers on KDE give you when you visit sites ;)May 23 20:26
_Goblinmsb_, But not smart enough (in my case) to blindly buy into another book and its claims about 5000 years ago?May 23 20:26
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gde33but tell us more about this banker ruled utopia of yours Goblin.May 23 20:26
Guest46331hey roy, you in the gym tomorrowMay 23 20:26
gde33will people be harvested for organs?May 23 20:26
_GoblinI'm sorry, I would like to be convinced with this betterment of man, but I have had first hand experience of the worst of human nature......May 23 20:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @ratfink: Things to do in !Minecraft: mine more diamonds, get cobblestone, build tunnel in the nether, complete with minecarts.May 23 20:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra I'm not surprised. Glad you are there to hold the Outlaw banner up, mate!May 23 20:27
msb__Goblin: Well, maybe you could READ the book and see what evidence it presents.May 23 20:27
gde33it is really simple, we create a big mob then we just take all your property. No questions asked.May 23 20:27
_Goblinand when that happens, I will be running Microsoft.May 23 20:28
ThistleWebthe company?May 23 20:28
_GoblinyepMay 23 20:28
ThistleWebwowMay 23 20:28
gde33we wont be stopped by unmotivated efforts like yours :)May 23 20:28
ThistleWebgde33: go for itMay 23 20:28
gde33there isn't any money in itMay 23 20:28
ThistleWebseriouslyMay 23 20:28
msb_gde33: Presumably you're kidding about the big mob.  The capitalists have big armies and police forces and very nasty weaponry.May 23 20:28
gde33we have electionsMay 23 20:29
msb_gde33: There would be a huge war like the one that followed the Bolshevik revolution.May 23 20:29
gde33the big guns are all oursMay 23 20:29
_Goblinand what are you going to do when the "evil" people with money throw the army, police and hardware at you..?  Shower them with daisys, sit around a campfire singing "Come by ah" until they run out of ammo? Come on really..... The poor people of Libya couldn't even rise up without help from powerful nations.May 23 20:29
ThistleWeblol, yeah you do, and if you think any party actually represent you, you're naieveMay 23 20:29
msb_What's needed is to convince most of the people first.May 23 20:29
_Goblinbest of luckMay 23 20:30
gde33_Goblin: good point!May 23 20:30
_GoblinI 'd suggest an IRC channel is not the best place to startMay 23 20:30
gde33_Goblin:  the backwards ideology fails to make real progress.May 23 20:30
msb_Well, it got me interested.May 23 20:31
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ThistleWebI'd agree, choose your medium, set up a site explaining how your vision could work and try not to sound crazy in the processMay 23 20:31
gde33the old people will just die along with their old ideas.May 23 20:31
_Goblinhave you met the new generation?May 23 20:31
_GoblinI do on a daily basis.May 23 20:31
gde33who makes those kids?May 23 20:32
msb_The open-source paradigm may indeed hold the key to freeing this planet from the NWO/fascism/exploitive-capitalism.May 23 20:32
ThistleWebJEDWARD ROOLZ!!!!!May 23 20:32
_Goblinif the ones I encounter are whats in store for the future, I'll be happy to be deadMay 23 20:32
gde33who makes those kids that way?May 23 20:32
_Goblininfact the new generation is greedier than the older.May 23 20:32
ThistleWebyepMay 23 20:32
gde33_Goblin: is the question to complicated?May 23 20:33
_Goblingde33, its a shift change in wishy washy laws and punishments.May 23 20:33
_Goblinthats whats greated the new generationMay 23 20:33
_Goblinno fearMay 23 20:33
msb_They have been programmed to be that way.  That's what "sociopathy" means.May 23 20:33
ThistleWeb"for christmas I demand a new iphone, mac, xbox, bike, loads of games, a new plasma TV"May 23 20:33
gde33the programming skills get better all the time.May 23 20:33
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_Goblineh?May 23 20:33
gde33now they have brainscans to validate the advertisementMay 23 20:33
ThistleWebreally? when most of th stuff they use are all closed source gadgets? the companies supplying them demonising the idea of wanting to explore how they workMay 23 20:34
_Goblingde33, which question are you refering to about being too complicated?May 23 20:34
msb_The music is very important, also psychedelics.  That's how the culture of Consciousness fluorished in the 1960's.May 23 20:34
gde33_Goblin: the one about the way kids are being manufactured.May 23 20:34
_Goblinand in the 1960's there was a far harsher law and punishmentMay 23 20:34
ThistleWebadd to the idea that people spend MUCH more time with gadgets, TV, games etc than actually doing anythingMay 23 20:35
_Goblinbut Gordon......if they don't want to work, we should just give them more.May 23 20:35
_Goblin(sarcasm)May 23 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh ... and wear a dirty outlaw t-shirtMay 23 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @jezra: it's the *business* of Linux. When the talk started mentioning marketing, I had to go find some personal space and some coffeeMay 23 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks Graffiti on Dublin streets 23 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wow..... That tornado footage from the US looks bad..... OoMay 23 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Has !Canonical Convinced !Linux Users to Pay for Applications? | The VAR Guy 23 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Awesome! :DMay 23 20:35
ThistleWebnot exactly sure that adds up to their programming skills getting betterMay 23 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Watching #DerLetzteBulle.May 23 20:35
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_Goblinlet them sit around and not be slaves to an evil governmentMay 23 20:35
msb_In the 60's there was the music of the Jefferson Airplane, Crosby Stills and Nash, and cannabis everywhere.May 23 20:35
_Goblinand the idea of sitting around doing nothing all day was a concept that rarely existed.....May 23 20:36
_Goblinnow doing that is a lifestyle choiceMay 23 20:36
ThistleWebthere was also a culture of only spending what you had, as well as a job for lifeMay 23 20:36
msb_Cannabis helped free a lot of minds!May 23 20:36
gde33The bankers promoted things like the free sex thing and exessive drug abuse to make the ideology look perverted.May 23 20:36
_Goblinso your argument merits going back to a 1960's lifestyle rather than a utopian one.May 23 20:36
gde33nice trick that wasMay 23 20:36
_Goblin?May 23 20:37
gde33_Goblin: we have so much technology not being used right nowMay 23 20:37
ThistleWebnot to mention the norm was making stuff last as long as possible, not throw out perfectly good stuff because it's last yrs fashionMay 23 20:37
gde33it is just sillyMay 23 20:37
msb_"If you want to see the future, look into the eyes of your young dancing children -- don't be afraid of our ways!" May 23 20:37
_Goblinwhats this got to do with a NWO?May 23 20:37
gde33it is considered disruptive innovation.May 23 20:37
_Goblingde33, a couple of hundred thousand Kin's for startersMay 23 20:37
ThistleWebNWO sounds like a NWA tribute actMay 23 20:37
_GoblinI always think of WCW and a wrestling group headed by Hulk HoganMay 23 20:38
_GoblinNWO -For life....May 23 20:38
ThistleWeblolMay 23 20:38
_Goblinif memory servesMay 23 20:38
ThistleWebyeahMay 23 20:38
_Goblinstarted out as the Wolfpac I believeMay 23 20:38
msb_New World Order -- the current name for world fascism/corporatism.May 23 20:38
gde33right, 200 channels with wresting on them and you pretend that was human nature? hahMay 23 20:38
_Goblinsort of a take on the Four HorsemanMay 23 20:38
gde33it was all your idea? :PMay 23 20:38
_Goblineh?May 23 20:38
gde33just being sillyMay 23 20:39
ThistleWebfour horsemen does sound like the start of a doctor doctor joke about sore throatsMay 23 20:39
_Goblingde33, Wrestling is certainly not human nature....we are having a comical diversion from a subject which has yet to convince me of anythingMay 23 20:39
gde33_Goblin: you ever watched "Consuming kids" ?May 23 20:39
schestowitz[20:12] <_Goblin> getting that promotion to buy a car  < status anxietyMay 23 20:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Senate #PATRIOTAct debate starting, watch live:; Paul teams with Leahy on reform amendment, 23 20:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fabsh, @bkuhn and I planned on writing multi-volume history of !freesoftware but seemed (to me) too monumental a task :-/May 23 20:40
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_Goblinno...I don't watch much telly, because I refuse to be spoon fed...I will research myselfMay 23 20:40
_Goblinif I am interested.May 23 20:40
gde33okMay 23 20:40
schestowitz[20:13] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, Salary is just a way to work you unpaid overtime in jobs like the one I hadMay 23 20:41
schestowitzYesMay 23 20:41
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msb_Today's so-called "reality" tv shows have a bunch of people who every week gang up on one of their number and get rid of them.  The last one there gets a lot of money.  That is training in sociopathy for everyone who watches it.May 23 20:41
schestowitzI see it in other people's caseMay 23 20:41
schestowitzOne employer tried to do the same to meMay 23 20:41
_Goblinmsb_, See I would completely disagree....I would watch it to laugh at desperate people trying to be famousMay 23 20:41
gde33you can not disagreeMay 23 20:41
gde33it doesnt work like thatMay 23 20:42
schestowitzIt's basically like a lot of companies have the mentality of: "I pay you a wage. Now, do as I tell you and work overtime or I stop paying you...."May 23 20:42
_Goblinmsb_, and the vast majority of people view it the same way.May 23 20:42
gde33it is programming peopleMay 23 20:42
schestowitz"You should be thankful you even get a salary"May 23 20:42
_Goblinwhy is it when people promote these New World ideas, they think they can see things that others cant.May 23 20:42
msb__Goblin: They are becoming famous by harming others in order to benefit themselves.  That is sociopathy.May 23 20:42
gde33we all see things others cantMay 23 20:42
DaemonFCschestowitz, Walmart is still selling Vista7 upgrades, but not for Windows Vista users, these packs give you a redemption code to "unlock" the features of a more expensive Windows 7. What an environmentally unfriendly thing to do. Plastic and cardboard and whatnot. Just so someone can unlock files that are already there and disabled.May 23 20:42
schestowitzactually, the person who was here earlier, Mike (guestXXXX), has this exploitationMay 23 20:43
schestowitzI bet he had only gotten back home... 8:30PMMay 23 20:43
_GoblinI'm talking about the wrongs of society.....we all see it.....I suppose it feels better if we tell ourselves that we go along with it because of brainwashing or condition, when the uncomfortable truth is, we don't want to change it.May 23 20:43
schestowitz[20:13] <DaemonFC> it hacks around wage and hour lawsMay 23 20:43
schestowitzDying breedMay 23 20:43
gde33_Goblin: liesMay 23 20:43
_Goblinreally? So you are the only one to notice these evils?May 23 20:44
_GoblinI see them as well as you.May 23 20:44
gde33_Goblin: lets examine your idea that things wont get any worse. Or wait you said they are getting worse! May 23 20:44
schestowitzThey never count the same it takes you to shave, dress up, drive, handle pay-related chores, etc.May 23 20:44
msb__Goblin: I sure want to change it.  So does Gaby here.  And you probably do too, which is why you're involved with open-source.May 23 20:44
_Goblingde33, I didn't say that...At least try to remain honest.May 23 20:44
gde33_Goblin: so which direction are we moving in?May 23 20:44
_Goblingde33, the first question with a little insight....May 23 20:44
schestowitzThe worse ones, will tell you, we pay $50k wage (say), but they don't say you'll sacrifice 70 hours per week for itMay 23 20:45
gde33msb_: he does have interesting points we should expect to hear again and again.May 23 20:45
schestowitzSo you'll get obese and depressed, no exercise, maybe some TV when you're all worn out at 10PMMay 23 20:45
gde33_Goblin: good! we agree things aren't going to stay the same?May 23 20:45
_Goblinand I'm affraid you will have to wait until Ive had a smoke.  I am addicted and conditioned by a government who wants to tax my smoking and then save money when I die early....all the while encouraging me to have private healthcare so they don't foot the billMay 23 20:45
_GoblinbrbMay 23 20:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is fabsh with 160 dents!May 23 20:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] RT @ARLpolicy DiFi: "This is a time of hypened, er, heightened threats." #freudianslip #PATRIOTActMay 23 20:46
gde33there are some who want to continue to abuse everyone but everyone else wants it to stop.May 23 20:47
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msb_gde33: People need certain information -- _The Chalice and the Blade_, the music of Jefferson Airplane/Starship, _In Search of the Miraculous_ by PD Ouspensky about the idea of Gurdjieff, books by Wilhelm Reich, etc.May 23 20:47
msb_idea->ideasMay 23 20:47
gde33yes, exelent. May 23 20:47
gde33I think we need to learn to grow our own food firstMay 23 20:48
schestowitz[20:26] <Guest46331> hey roy, you in the gym tomorrowMay 23 20:48
schestowitzHe always needs to hurry in his lunch breakMay 23 20:48
msb_Difficult inside a city.May 23 20:49
schestowitzWith me there's no time pressureMay 23 20:49
schestowitzSo I kept in better shape :-) 23 20:49
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gde33msb_: we have wonderful technology to grow food in the weirdest of places.May 23 20:49
gde33msb_: the supper LED's are getting better and cheaper all the timeMay 23 20:49
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msb_I think collective farms would be a great solution for the unemployed and homeless.May 23 20:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] Bottles of Miller lite in the hacker lounge? Don't mind if I do!May 23 20:50
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msb_farm co-ops might be a better termMay 23 20:51
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gde33schestowitz: gratzz :)May 23 20:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana Contemporary history at best.May 23 20:52
gde33msb_: yes, nice that.May 23 20:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] a bit of self loathing #shamelessselfpromotionMay 23 20:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Ich hab so richtiges Ruhrdeutsch echt vermisst. #DerPottRult #DerLetzteBulleMay 23 20:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @nisshh 'Coz you sound like an expert. "One week with Arch Linux" - made it sound less daunting than I would expectMay 23 20:55
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schestowitzgde33: thanksMay 23 20:55
schestowitzJust caught up with IRCMay 23 20:55
schestowitzFor the first time in hours :-)May 23 20:55
schestowitzI missed some responses :/ Mike and Gordon have left by nowMay 23 20:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk But it would require more brain cells than I can affort at the moment, but @nisshh made it sound do-able for me... (for future)May 23 20:57
_Goblingde33, right backMay 23 20:57
_Goblingde33, of course things don't stay the same....history shows that.May 23 20:57
gde33_Goblin: I can publish your feedback?May 23 20:58
_Goblinyes by all means May 23 20:58
gde33great :)May 23 20:58
_Goblingde33, where abouts will it be published? I'll link it.May 23 20:59
gde33I think the way things will change (if we dont act) wont be pretty.May 23 20:59
_Goblinyou thinkMay 23 20:59
_Goblinthey also thought that WW2 was the end of the wasn'tMay 23 21:00
msb_With modern farming technology, one person can feed fifty, so people on a co-op farm would have no trouble feeding themselves and building their housing etc too.May 23 21:00
_Goblinthe human animal is quite fantastic, it adapts.May 23 21:00
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_Goblinbut it has always retained its core driving force....the desire to reproduce, to acquire and to dominate.May 23 21:00
_Goblinreproduction can come in many forms too....idealogical for example.....the idea that people should conform to ones own views.May 23 21:02
gde33there is also love and care, we just can not afford to expand that beyond our own friends and family May 23 21:02
msb__Goblin: if you access this information you will get a different and much more optimistic outlook about human nature:     _The Chalice and the Blade_ by Riane Eisler, the music of Jefferson Airplane/Starship, _In Search of the Miraculous_ by PD Ouspensky about the ideas of Gurdjieff, books by Wilhelm Reich.May 23 21:03
_GoblinI can tell you now I wouldn't I would be dubious of any view formed on the basis of a couple of books....I prefer a mixture of life experience and researchMay 23 21:03
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_Goblinmsb_, because I can list you much documentation backing up my doesn't make me any more correct or mean that you will suddenly buy into my view.May 23 21:04
msb__Goblin: If you access those ideas and then keep them in mind when observing the world around you, your eyes will be opened.May 23 21:04
_Goblinmsb_, I think Roy, would agree I have considerable experience in human nature.May 23 21:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Seine Dienstwaffe ist ein 1911 Colt. ROFL. #DerLetzteBulleMay 23 21:05
_Goblinmsb_, and I base my observations of real experiences not books.May 23 21:05
msb__Goblin: The info I suggest is from some of the few people who have awakened out of the consensus trance -- the Matrix -- and realized the truth about us.May 23 21:05
msb__Goblin: No, you base your ideas on your experience as filtered through your socially-programmed worldview, which is self-reinforcing.May 23 21:06
ThistleWeblolMay 23 21:07
_Goblinmsb_, Ah...and I'm sorry.....I respect your views and would not want to cheapen them......but you've now mentioned the word which has me switching off completely....its certainly to large a topic to discuss via text.......sorry, youve hit my trigger word "The Matrix"May 23 21:07
gde33it is some what reactionary _Goblin, not incorrect but reactionary May 23 21:07
msb_The actual truth is as different from mainstream culture as the reality that Neo woke up into when he swallowed the red pill in _The Matrix_.May 23 21:07
gde33my actions tell you about humans also. :DMay 23 21:07
_Goblinthats very gracious I'm sure... I wonder, maybe this is a discussion for Techbytes if you would come on.May 23 21:07
_Goblinmsb_, I'll say this, you are serious in believing that the entire planet should and can drop everything and live this new world?May 23 21:08
msb_I would be happy to come on TechBytes.May 23 21:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Shrooms. Awesome. #DerLetzteBulleMay 23 21:08
_Goblinmsb_, in addition let me make this comment about "The Matrix".....May 23 21:09
gde33but I take it you first want to see some results, then you want to investigate the results by yourself and ask questions?May 23 21:09
gde33doesnt seem unreasonable at allMay 23 21:09
_Goblin"Come and swallow this pill and wake up out of this horrible trance world"May 23 21:09
_Goblin"Ok"May 23 21:09
ThistleWeb"I know Ubuntu"May 23 21:09
_Goblin"Hang on, all the real world is is a bunch of rocks and some lightening.....plug me back in"May 23 21:09
ThistleWeberm....kung fuMay 23 21:09
msb_Not drop _everything_.  Food, clothing, shelter, medicine, family, technology (the peaceful part), etc. -- all good.May 23 21:09
gde33this is also interesting!May 23 21:10
gde33I'd say to much change will confuse people.May 23 21:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Rapid-release idea spreads to Firefox 5 beta (CNet) 23 21:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @nisshh And that's good for people to know.May 23 21:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Wrote about an *extorsion* effect of portuguese Socialist Party's law proposal on private copy levvies. In portuguese: 23 21:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Bonanza als Ringtone. #DerLetzteBulleMay 23 21:10
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gde33we do want to know the world arround us.May 23 21:10
gde33it would be really bad to install utopia overnight. People would hate it.May 23 21:10
_GoblinIm sorry if Mr Reaves took me out of the Matrix to a bunch of rocks and a bit of lightning, I'd stuff that red pill of his somewhere only customs men dare to probe.May 23 21:10
DaemonFCUbuntu, Starring Jono Bacon as Clippy. "It looks like you're trying to play an MP3...Want some nonfree software?"May 23 21:11
DaemonFCB-)May 23 21:11
_GoblinHey...Jono would be a far better clippy.....He could play Severed Fifth music and make the Windows desktop rock.May 23 21:12
_Goblinthat would at least be one reason to have Windows.May 23 21:12
ThistleWebthe devil horns of death instead of a BSODMay 23 21:12
_GoblincoolMay 23 21:13
ThistleWeba picture of a hand signMay 23 21:13
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msb_The actual method of waking up is to learn about true human nature, learn that you yourself have been programmed and how it has been done.  When you can understand how your worldview has been formed, and how you can alter your beliefs toward more accuracy, then you are on the road to having free will.May 23 21:13
ThistleWeb"your application has moshed"May 23 21:13
_GoblinI have free will....I am able to take the views of many diverse opinions and form my ownMay 23 21:13
MinceRi was thinking of a different hand signMay 23 21:13
_GoblinThistleWeb, good oneMay 23 21:13
ThistleWebhaving a free willy has gotten a lot of blokes into troubleMay 23 21:14
MinceRone that fits m$'s (and canonical's) attitude betterMay 23 21:14
gde33ThistleWeb: and free masonMay 23 21:14
DaemonFC/home/ryan/Music/Alice in Chains/Live/01 - Bleed The Freak.oggMay 23 21:15
DaemonFCB-)May 23 21:15
msb_No, dear _Goblin -- Tim, isn't it? -- I'm afraid you don't.May 23 21:15
_Goblinlol....May 23 21:15
_Goblinnow you are trying to condition me.May 23 21:15
_Goblinbecause I challenge your view....something that I equate to free willMay 23 21:15
msb_No, I am trying to get you to learn how to decondition yourself.May 23 21:15
ThistleWebtry head off the shoulders, it has built in conditioningMay 23 21:15
_Goblinthanks I'm sureMay 23 21:15
gde33_Goblin: you like my idea for world government and you are going to keep it.May 23 21:15
gde33it is everything you always wanted ;)May 23 21:16
gde33just sign hereMay 23 21:16
_Goblinyes, I like the idea....I also like the idea of free Mr Whippy icecream for everyone....doesn't mean its going to happen or practical in the real worldMay 23 21:16
msb_You will wake up feeling very refreshed!May 23 21:16
gde33the only reason it is not going to happen is because you don't want it badly enoughMay 23 21:17
DaemonFCeventually Severed Fifth will testify in front of Congress that the free downloads are killing themMay 23 21:17
ThistleWebserious discussion relating a real life matrix, conditioning, free world etc reminds me of Scientology, the rapture folks and bernie mahdofMay 23 21:17
ThistleWebdunno whyMay 23 21:17
DaemonFCBernie Madoff, pronounced "made off" as in "made off with all your money"May 23 21:18
gde33the japanese just did 32 Tbit/s data transfer, the copyright debate gets more funny by the dayMay 23 21:18
ThistleWebbut then, there's one born every minute who'd fall for itMay 23 21:18
msb_ThistleWeb: Because you're programmed against thinking about the real thing, so you divert your attention with those evildoers?May 23 21:18
ThistleWeblol, if it makes you feel better to assume that, don't let me stop youMay 23 21:18
ThistleWeball I see is credibility evaporating with some kooky ideas that have no basis in realityMay 23 21:19
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msb_ThistleWeb: We talk about people helping one another, working together just like in open-source, and you bring up a murderous cult and a delusionary one, and a sociopathic criminal.May 23 21:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont): American people deserve real debate on #PATRIOTAct. "If only choice is to vote yes or no, I'm voting NO."May 23 21:20
gde33msb_: if those will be the arguments our mission should be an easy one!May 23 21:20
gde33hahaMay 23 21:21
_Goblinmission?May 23 21:21
schestowitzbernie padoff (paid off) for presidentMay 23 21:21
_Goblinthats disturbingMay 23 21:21
ThistleWebmsb_: they spewed some incredulous arguments to entice the gullible tooMay 23 21:21
msb_ThistleWeb: You might try accessing some of the sources I mentioned before considering them to be "kooky".May 23 21:21
ThistleWebafter this kinda discussion? yeah lolMay 23 21:21
_Goblinthistleweb: the mission is not off to a good start.....that two people already not convinced (Me and You)May 23 21:22
ThistleWebif it was half way credible, you'd be setting it out properly, filling in the gaps of how things would workMay 23 21:22
msb_gde33: No, our mission is very difficult because the enforced anti-life belief system has powerful directives for defending itself.  May 23 21:22
gde33_Goblin: not at all! Your feedback was very valuable to me.May 23 21:22
ThistleWeb_Goblin: speak for yourself.....I'm convinced.....just not quite the same thing as plannedMay 23 21:22
_GoblinThistleWeb, how are you convinced? Can you convince me?May 23 21:23
msb_gde33: People who have been programmed with it almost always refuse to access any info that would contradict it.May 23 21:23
gde33msb_: Dont spend your energy on a single person.May 23 21:23
_GoblincheapMay 23 21:23
_Goblinand people who disagree with my world view refuse to access info.May 23 21:23
msb_gde33: Correct.May 23 21:23
ThistleWebI'm convinced it's a half assed ill concieved promise of a future that fails to address most of humanityMay 23 21:24
_GoblinIm with you brotherMay 23 21:24
gde33ThistleWeb: which one is that? Scientology?May 23 21:24
_Goblinthere...see....msb you are already bringing us together.May 23 21:24
ThistleWebthings do need to change, but this is a jokeMay 23 21:24
_GoblinagreedMay 23 21:24
gde33sounds like weasel words to meMay 23 21:24
gde33when will the arguments come?May 23 21:25
ThistleWebgde33: you;d be better tagging your mission to scientology, at least they have a brand of kookynessMay 23 21:25
ThistleWebit'd save you some money in markettingMay 23 21:25
gde33ThistleWeb: my kookyness is superiorMay 23 21:25
msb_Once I was in a park and was approached by a young person programmed in the Hare Krishna cult.  I was talking to him about it when an older HK person came along and dragged him away before he could question his beliefs.May 23 21:25
_Goblingde33, msb_  we'll you've succeeded in uniting two people in a common cause, just not the one you agree with.  Just like you want open and freedom then you have to respect mine and Gordons views too.May 23 21:25
gde33but the gist is that you are not going to do anything together and we will May 23 21:26
gde33ha-haMay 23 21:26
ThistleWebyeah people already in one cult have shown themselves open to being convimnced by half assed ideologies, they don't want them moving to anotherMay 23 21:26
_Goblingde33, Yes I am, I will work with Gordon to support the views already stated.May 23 21:26
_Goblingde33, our views that is.May 23 21:26
gde33I wish you the bestMay 23 21:26
_Goblinthank you.May 23 21:26
gde33tell me, united in opposition. What will you do when you succeed?May 23 21:27
gde33could that be.... nothing at all?May 23 21:27
_Goblindon't know yet.....May 23 21:27
msb_Murderous exploitive capitalism, war on "terror"...May 23 21:27
gde33trying not to laugh nowMay 23 21:27
_GoblinIve always wanted a boat.....May 23 21:27
*ThistleWeb will celebrate the #winning with a nice cool glass of #tigerbloodMay 23 21:27
_Goblingde33, I hope you realize I am being sarcastic....May 23 21:27
_GoblinThistleWeb, you can do that on my boatMay 23 21:27
gde33_Goblin: sure I doMay 23 21:28
gde33but I can filter out your real arguments out of all the bs, dont worry ;)May 23 21:28
ThistleWebrofl, I love the inference, by not buying into this future, we automatically believe the current situation is prefectly fineMay 23 21:28
ThistleWebthat's hilariousMay 23 21:28
_Goblinwhat I want to know....May 23 21:28
msb_Sarcasm doesn't work well in a text medium.  Except to decrease the signal to noise ratio and distract people.May 23 21:28
_Goblinmsb_, this new world, this future.....when it happens what I want to know is.....May 23 21:29
gde33ThistleWeb: why do you believe in the bush doctrine?May 23 21:29
ThistleWebmsb_: yet you're here spewing this shite knowing sarcasm doesnt come across well, lovelyMay 23 21:29
_Goblinmsb_, how long do we have to wait for a holodeck?May 23 21:29
ThistleWebI do? wow, that's a new one on meMay 23 21:29
GoForbes28schestowitz: What about Bernie?May 23 21:29
ThistleWebthat's one of them "so when did you start beating your wife" questionsMay 23 21:29
gde33oh, I didnt know you beat your wife?May 23 21:30
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_Goblingde33, msb_  I hope you have no hard feelings....this has been a rather fun and lighthearted all seriousness your views are your own and I can't dismiss them, but I would hope you would see that you are flogging a dead horse with me (and probably Gordon too).May 23 21:30
msb_ThistleWeb: I am not being sarcastic at all.  And what I'm saying is not shite, it is the best info I have found in a lifetime -- 65 years -- of searching for the truth about people and culture.May 23 21:30
ThistleWebwell, good for youMay 23 21:31
ThistleWebdepending on the future state of the shaving industry, the bush doctrine may be in all our futuresMay 23 21:31
_Goblinmsb_, can I ask....what life experience do you have of people and culture?  Not research or books, but real experience?May 23 21:31
gde33_Goblin: you are not the only dead horse, there are many dead horses like you who will say similar things. In stead of ignoring all of you I feel I should listen carefully just in case you say something that actually makes sense. Not very unlikely that.May 23 21:32
gde33is that sarcastic enough?May 23 21:32
msb_I can only point you toward the works of others -- like links on a web page -- including also John C Lilly, Timothy Leary, Aldous Huxley.May 23 21:32
_Goblinthats very insulting and rather dismissive of my views...I hope this new world order is far more tollerant.May 23 21:32
gde33_Goblin: of course it is, you are technically in charge.May 23 21:32
_Goblinno I am not.May 23 21:32
ThistleWebahh, everyone is in chargeMay 23 21:33
_GoblinI am above no man (or woman)May 23 21:33
ThistleWebI love it.....anarchyMay 23 21:33
gde33anarchy means without archonsMay 23 21:33
ThistleWebnone of these silly laws that force us to be civilisedMay 23 21:33
_Goblinin here we are equals......with the exception of Jono who is a Metal God.May 23 21:33
gde33you afraid to go without queen or king?May 23 21:33
_GoblinnoMay 23 21:33
schestowitz[21:29] <GoForbes28> schestowitz: What about Bernie?May 23 21:33
ThistleWebare queen still going?May 23 21:33
schestowitzPadoff? :-)May 23 21:33
_Goblininfact check out the t-shirt I was wearing on royal wedding day on the techbytes videocastMay 23 21:33
GoForbes28schestowitz: Uh huhMay 23 21:34
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: The Brian May band?May 23 21:34
GoForbes28schestowitz: :)May 23 21:34
ThistleWebwell, after he usurped Freddie Mercury's lack of commitment, due to the minor inconvienience of being deadMay 23 21:34
gde33our royalty is very classy, very unlike obama who needs to keep on telling lies just to keep the elite on their throne.May 23 21:35
schestowitz[21:33] <ThistleWeb> are queen still going?May 23 21:35
schestowitzHaving a good timeMay 23 21:35
gde3360% of the people here love having a queen.May 23 21:35
_Goblingde33, you from UKMay 23 21:35
GoForbes28schestowitz: Don't stop me nowMay 23 21:35
gde33_Goblin: Netherlands, Elisabeth doesn't score anywhere 60% does she?May 23 21:36
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: Yeah, I know Freddie was the true era.  I was just staying contemporary. :)May 23 21:36
ThistleWebrofl, yeah, our bloodline was chosen by god, that's why we're in charge, it's why we'll alwyas be in charge....and oh by the way, you lot pay for us to live a life of luxuryMay 23 21:36
ThistleWebthat royatly?May 23 21:36
_Goblingde33, so this new world order where everyone is free of domination is quite happy to have a queen?May 23 21:36
schestowitz[21:35] <gde33> 60% of the people here love having a queen.May 23 21:36
GoForbes28With genetic disorders due to a lack of genetic variationMay 23 21:36
gde33_Goblin: it wouldn't bother meMay 23 21:36
schestowitzSo that's like 20% of guys?May 23 21:36
gde33_Goblin: even a financial elite wouldn't be a problemMay 23 21:37
GoForbes28Haemophilia anyone?May 23 21:37
ThistleWebgay pride parades love having many more than just one queenMay 23 21:37
_Goblingde33, so after all are happy to be "under" someone who by luck of birth only is classed as better than you?May 23 21:37
schestowitzHolland must have a queen. Otherwise there would be... no currency?!May 23 21:37
ThistleWebJools?May 23 21:37
gde33_Goblin: it shouldnt be considered something important.May 23 21:37
GoForbes28Canada's royality situation is aptheticMay 23 21:37
_Goblinwhat?May 23 21:37
GoForbes28Can't wait to see Prince William meet up with our great android dictatorMay 23 21:38
_Goblingde33, Youve just gone on about corruption, control, conditioning and now you say that you are happy to be under a queen?  Happy to be under someone who by birth only has domination over you?May 23 21:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Just one week to get your 20th Anniv. of Linux Tshirt design in! #linuxrocksMay 23 21:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Make that 97, Grassley on now / RT @ACLU: Dead air on the Senate floor. 98 Senators have yet to speak on #patriotact. Where are they?May 23 21:38
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gde33_Goblin: exactlyMay 23 21:38
ThistleWebnot important? lol, just one of those minor lil details we won't even address until we get there roflMay 23 21:39
_GoblinIve just completely wasted my time......May 23 21:39
schestowitz_Goblin: he's SACRED!May 23 21:39
gde33ThistleWeb: exactlyMay 23 21:39
GoForbes28Schestowitz: So what about "Paidoff"?May 23 21:39
gde33by the time we get there they will be something cheapMay 23 21:39
_Goblinafter all that, all those implications of how we have got it wrong, and all the time happy to serve a queen?  - Am I the only one here who has now lost the will to live with this viewpoint?May 23 21:39
ThistleWeband you think this is a credible system?May 23 21:39
gde33our queen doesn't make rules or lawsMay 23 21:39
_Goblinthats worseMay 23 21:40
_Goblinshes a person who is better than you would contributes nothing.May 23 21:40
_Goblinsort of a benevelant god.May 23 21:40
gde33oh but she does have an important roleMay 23 21:40
ThistleWebI for one, ain't wasting any more time or energy with this stuff, your system has more plot holes than the bibleMay 23 21:40
_Goblinand whats that pray tellMay 23 21:40
_Goblinits got more holes in it than IEMay 23 21:40
gde33when government corruption goes to far there still is some one who can do somethingMay 23 21:40
schestowitzGoForbes28: nothing specialMay 23 21:40
gde33no system is perfectMay 23 21:41
_Goblinand what if the queen is corrupt?May 23 21:41
_Goblingde33, and thats what we said from the beginning.May 23 21:41
GoForbes28Schestowitz: Must have been special enough to mentionMay 23 21:41
gde33the queen doesnt have to beMay 23 21:41
_Goblinneither does a governmentMay 23 21:41
schestowitz_Goblin: I think the royal family is good for tourism?May 23 21:41
gde33it is like a museum May 23 21:41
ThistleWebis prince philip good for tourettes?May 23 21:42
schestowitzTHe whole royal wedding is part of reliving the mythMay 23 21:42
_Goblinat 26 million per security jaunt? She doesn't bring that in....May 23 21:42
schestowitzI guess...May 23 21:42
_Goblinthe cost of the Royal family I would guess far exceeds that of what tourism they bring in May 23 21:42
schestowitzWhat would you do with the palace?May 23 21:42
ThistleWebthey do bring in a lot, but the life of luxury they live, takes almost all that net gain, if it even is a net gainMay 23 21:42
_GoblinI'd turn it into a massive LUG for LondonMay 23 21:42
GoForbes28!google daily show royal wedding jon stewartMay 23 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Uncensored - The Wedding Banners - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart ... | 23 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Royal Wedding Excitement in London - The Daily Show with Jon ... | 23 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Katedown to the Royal Willding - The Daily Show Home | 23 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Jon Stewart Shows Animated Simulation of the Royal Wedding (VIDEO) | 23 21:43
schestowitzLUG?May 23 21:43
_GoblinLinux User GroupMay 23 21:43
schestowitz!google royal wedding cost 8 billionMay 23 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - The Royal Wedding could cost UK economy $50 billion | 23 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - PressTV - Royal wedding holiday costs UK $9.8bn | 23 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - How The Royal Wedding Equates to Commoner Matrimony - | 23 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Royal Wedding could cost UK economy $50 billion - CBS Evening News ... | 23 21:43
GoForbes28!google royal wedding canada visitMay 23 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - The Governor General of Canada > Visit to London - Royal Wedding | 23 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - BBC News - Royal wedding: Kate and William to visit Canada | 23 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - canada tour | Royal wedding, Prince William and Kate Middleton | 23 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Genealogy Canada: Canada's Royal Wedding Gifts | 23 21:43
_Goblininstall Ubuntu whilst eating cucumber sandwichesMay 23 21:43
GoForbes28ickMay 23 21:43
schestowitzGoForbes28: some girls will pass out screaming deliriouslyMay 23 21:44
_Goblinafternoon tea with Richard StallmanMay 23 21:44
schestowitzTea from Coca Cola-owned company?May 23 21:44
_Goblinrename all the Corgies to linux distrosMay 23 21:44
ThistleWebonly with gnu/teabagsMay 23 21:44
_GoblinSabayon - he's the quick one.May 23 21:44
GoForbes28I would rather attend RMS's weddingMay 23 21:44
_GoblinUbuntu - he's the friendly oneMay 23 21:44
schestowitzThistleWeb: modifiable ingredientsMay 23 21:45
GoForbes28BTW, in reply to the non-event on the weekend: 23 21:45
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schestowitzGoForbes28: he probably won't get married.. no point to itMay 23 21:45
GoForbes28schestowitz: I was just using that as a point of comparison :PMay 23 21:45
schestowitzokMay 23 21:45
ThistleWebthat's the point of marriage though, to have your point regularly takenMay 23 21:46
GoForbes28Hell, I'd rather be at *your* weddingMay 23 21:46
schestowitzwhat did Stallman do?May 23 21:46
schestowitzLook at Price WilliamMay 23 21:46
schestowitzHis family bought him a sit on a heliMay 23 21:46
ThistleWebor to regularly give your point......May 23 21:46
schestowitzIt's not cheapMay 23 21:46
GoForbes28schestowitz: RMS did 100x more thingsMay 23 21:46
schestowitzThe Bushes also had to corrupt some people for their son, GeorgieMay 23 21:46
schestowitzThen they did coverup, destroying the filesMay 23 21:46
_Goblinbrb smoke.May 23 21:46
schestowitzWilliam is like a superhero in a scratch-bookMay 23 21:47
schestowitzThey have to write the plotMay 23 21:47
schestowitzWhat he occupation is and how he behavesMay 23 21:47
schestowitzANd then they render it, selecting career and stuff to fit the plotMay 23 21:47
schestowitzAnd Henry plays the villianMay 23 21:47
schestowitzThere's no good film without a villainMay 23 21:47
schestowitz!google henry dresses up as naziMay 23 21:48
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Henry Ford - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | 23 21:48
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Harry says sorry for dressing up as Nazi - Telegraph | 23 21:48
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Candidate responds to charge he dressed as Nazi – CNN Political ... | 23 21:48
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schestowitz[21:43] <TechrightsBot-tr> [2] - BBC News - Royal wedding: Kate and William to visit Canada May 23 21:49
schestowitzWorld tourMay 23 21:49
schestowitzReruns, get your tickets nowMay 23 21:49
schestowitz"For her next act, Kate will.."May 23 21:49
GoForbes28Against, can't wait for the Harper-Williams meet upMay 23 21:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @sergiomeneses Community team plan for #oneiric @jonobacon !ubuntu #locoteamsMay 23 21:50
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GoForbes28Beige alertMay 23 21:50
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GoForbes28schestowitz :?May 23 21:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] "Thank you, we've received your unsubscribe request." Yes, but what are you *doing* with it?May 23 21:57
GoForbes28I don't get the context relation to this conversation...May 23 21:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] La Jornada (Mexico): Encuestas Alteradas: Peña Nieto paga por resultados favorables | 23 21:58
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_GoblinWell.....May 23 22:00
GoForbes28_Goblin: ...May 23 22:00
_Goblinthats been twice in the last few days when the topics discussed have been rather.....different and heated should be fair to say....May 23 22:01
DaemonFCNon-functional DataMay 23 22:01
DaemonFCData that isn't functional, that doesn't do a practical job, is more of an adornment to the system's software than a part of it. Thus, we don't insist on the free license criteria for non-functional data. It can be included in a free system distribution as long as its license gives you permission to copy and redistribute, both for commercial and non-commercial purposes. For example, some game engines released under the GNU GPL have accompanying game inMay 23 22:01
DaemonFCformation—a fictional world map, game graphics, and so on—released under such a verbatim-distribution license. This kind of data can be part of a free system distribution, even though its license does not qualify as free, because it is non-functional.May 23 22:01
DaemonFCthat sounds like Sauerbraten-Data to meMay 23 22:01
DaemonFCand a lot of other game data Fedora won't package May 23 22:01
_GoblinI'm often dubious of any text that contains "Thus"May 23 22:01
GoForbes28_Goblin: AhaMay 23 22:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] O dedo na ferida portuguesa - Fartei-me de baboseira. Não votem neles.May 23 22:02
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DaemonFCthe engine is under the zlib license (free software), and the game data is under a license that meets the FSF's acceptable non functional data definitionMay 23 22:02
GoForbes28Data does not weight: 23 22:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] I have defeated the mighty NYT paywall with Firebug. Hiya!May 23 22:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Apple tells Lodsys to stop threatening iOS developers; @AppAdvice has details: 23 22:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Apple Grabs Patent Troll Where It Counts (Full Text) -- AppAdvice .::. Size~: 25.28 KBMay 23 22:06
DaemonFC"Strangely, however, the company didn’t go after Apple, but rather iOS developers."May 23 22:07
DaemonFCWhat's strange about that?May 23 22:07
DaemonFCApple has deep pockets, and it's easier to beat settlements out of small developers that can't fight them.May 23 22:07
GoForbes28Go for the weaker points, make senseMay 23 22:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just been force-logged out of #Minecraft. OoMay 23 22:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I fear I have to go to bed now...May 23 22:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] La Jornada (Mexico): Para EU, Peña Nieto está hecho en el molde del anquilosado PRI | 23 22:08
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_Goblinmmm....May 23 22:09
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DaemonFCIf I was Apple, I would assign my legal department to defend the developers the patent troll suesMay 23 22:11
GoForbes28_Goblin: mmm mmm?May 23 22:11
GoForbes28DaemonFC: Somehow I don't see Apple doing thatMay 23 22:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @rgunjan: Making the case for MeeGo via @intomobile #meegoconfMay 23 22:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @rsuplido: I'm at @geekygirldawn's State of the Community talk: #MeeGoConfMay 23 22:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] La Jornada (Mexico): El pacto AN-PRI se anunció antes a Washington | 23 22:13
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schestowitzGoForbes28: Wanna coedit?May 23 22:16
GoForbes28schestowitz: Is it on the wiki?May 23 22:17
schestowitzIt's an easy proofreading thing and you can add your own interpretationMay 23 22:17
schestowitzGoForbes28: I'll put it upMay 23 22:17
schestowitzI want two people's opinion because it enhances the messageMay 23 22:17
schestowitzAs long as the edits are not collidingMay 23 22:17
schestowitzLike changing the other person's sentences, except proofreading both waysMay 23 22:18
_Goblingde33 I saw the "publish" you did.....shame it missed off the royalty revelations.May 23 22:19
_Goblingde33, infact it seems to conveniently stop just after I declared I would be back after a smoke.May 23 22:20
_Goblinit got interesting after that point....May 23 22:21
schestowitzGoForbes28: only if you can edit today...May 23 22:21
schestowitzcause these are time-sensitiveMay 23 22:21
GoForbes28schestowitz: I canMay 23 22:26
GoForbes28ready?May 23 22:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @m3tti @laurelrusswurm great to hear. Feel free to join us in irc too ;) and spread the word !trisquel is awesome easy as !ubuntu fre ...May 23 22:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fedora/@fedora] Interview with Jared Smith (@jsmith), Fedora Project Leader: 23 22:32
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schestowitzGoForbes28: sureMay 23 22:34
schestowitzHold onMay 23 22:34
schestowitzuploadingMay 23 22:34
DaemonFCtornado sirensMay 23 22:34
DaemonFCshitMay 23 22:34
DaemonFCbblMay 23 22:34
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Faithergood evening lads! ^^May 23 22:35
GoForbes28DaemonFC is experiencing a tornadoMay 23 22:35
GoForbes28FYIMay 23 22:35
FaitherOh )=May 23 22:35
FaitherHOw is he?May 23 22:35
schestowitzGoForbes28: 1. 23 22:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Patenting looholes - Techrights .::. Size~: 20.6 KBMay 23 22:36
schestowitzdesudesudesu: that must be Dawn's faultMay 23 22:36
schestowitzoopsMay 23 22:36
schestowitzWrong highlightMay 23 22:36
schestowitzI wou;dn't manage to survive a tornado... no access to computer for a long while :-/May 23 22:37
GoForbes28Faither: Don't know, he logged off right when you joinedMay 23 22:37
schestowitzone Linux sites I like was down for 3 days because of the stormsMay 23 22:38
FaitherI know that's why I asked, thought you had some inforation on his situationMay 23 22:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Oh !Canada blogged: Happy Victoria Day! #QueenVictoriaMay 23 22:38
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GoForbes28faither: he also mentioned sirens right before you joinedMay 23 22:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] CIA conducted secret monitoring operations in Sweden 23 22:40
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FaitherI hope he's all right then... sirens aren't a good sign May 23 22:41
Faitherjust listening to techbytes. One issue I have with the ubuntu is that it kind of defeated the purpose of a live cdMay 23 22:44
FaitherI always thought a live cd was there for using the system and try it out without changing your system but 11.04 does feature a gnome 2 live sessionMay 23 22:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Senate shamefully rushes to renew #PATRIOTAct for 4 years without reforms, votes 74 to 8 to limit debate, final vote expected by Wed.May 23 22:45
schestowitzGoForbes28: second one up now 23 22:47
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Faitherwhat's the point of having a live cd then?May 23 22:47
Faitheror what's the point I'm missingMay 23 22:47
GoForbes28wow, this is surrealMay 23 22:48
FaitherßMay 23 22:48
Faither?May 23 22:48
GoForbes28yeah, roy, I may have a conflict of interests hereMay 23 22:49
GoForbes28On the first articleMay 23 22:50
GoForbes28on second thought, n/mMay 23 22:50
GoForbes28disregardMay 23 22:50
GoForbes28Roy, what is "Bilski LLLL"?May 23 22:51
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GoForbes28DaemonFC: Are you alright?May 23 22:54
DaemonFCyeah, just a huge storm with some hailMay 23 22:55
DaemonFCstill raining May 23 22:55
GoForbes28no tornado?May 23 22:55
DaemonFCnot that I sawMay 23 22:55
GoForbes28that's goodMay 23 22:55
DaemonFCI put Jabba in the bathroom under a blanketMay 23 22:55
DaemonFCthen went outside to see what was going onMay 23 22:55
schestowitzGoForbes28: LLL means I'll add a link laterMay 23 22:56
schestowitzleave it as it is if you preferMay 23 22:56
DaemonFCstorms scare him anyway, I had to dig him out from under the couchMay 23 22:56
DaemonFCbathroom is probably the most structurally sound place hereMay 23 22:57
schestowitz10 KG cat...May 23 22:57
DaemonFCcenter of the house May 23 22:57
schestowitzDaemonFC would die for his pussy, JabbaMay 23 22:57
DaemonFChe's my buddy :PMay 23 22:57
DaemonFCI'm not going to let anything happen to himMay 23 22:57
GoForbes28schestowitz: I would like to skip the first article due to personal conflictMay 23 22:57
DaemonFCthe temperature dropped from 85 to 61 over the last half hour May 23 22:59
DaemonFCit's actually kind of nice nowMay 23 22:59
DaemonFCI notice the GTK+ 3 apps don't tend to work well in KDEMay 23 23:00
MinceRgnMay 23 23:00
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GoForbes28MinceR: gnMay 23 23:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Spamtron, "bbq sandwich", and µBlagging. This is it, folks, the life.May 23 23:07
schestowitzGoForbes28: changed editors page to say "G. Forbes"May 23 23:10
schestowitzGoForbes28: ok, no problemMay 23 23:11
GoForbes28schestowitz: Thx and thxMay 23 23:11
GoForbes28It sucks that I can't, and I do agree with what you are saying.May 23 23:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] you'd think high winds would be a good thing to help dissipate & clear a volcanic ash cloud, certainly faster than still air #ScotlandMay 23 23:12
GoForbes28BTW, how do I access things like "cref 48421 1"?May 23 23:12
schestowitzGoForbes28: I understandMay 23 23:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @michelenlared: Pre #Unity #Ubuntu Netbook Launcher is resurrected; put in a #PPA #unityMay 23 23:13
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schestowitzIt's safe to play along with conformism sometimesMay 23 23:13
schestowitzBut conformists never bring changeMay 23 23:14
schestowitzGoForbes28: put[NUMBER]May 23 23:14
schestowitzit will show you the post by the ID/NUMBEMay 23 23:14
GoForbes28I don't want to conform here royMay 23 23:19
GoForbes28Let's just say it hits too close to home for meMay 23 23:19
schestowitzoh., okMay 23 23:19
schestowitzno worriedMay 23 23:20
schestowitz*rriesMay 23 23:20
schestowitzBTW, I typed them down at the gym todayMay 23 23:20
schestowitzSo I didn't have access to a good editorMay 23 23:20
schestowitzSorry for the messMay 23 23:20
GoForbes28I mean, the content of the article is fine to me, but perhaps not to other people who I happen to know and like to disclose...May 23 23:20
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GoForbes28schestowitz: No probMay 23 23:20
schestowitzBasically the key references are there and some connecting passagesMay 23 23:20
GoForbes28What do you mean by "after similar action, so this is a global issue that needs to be addressed urgently."?May 23 23:20
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schestowitzthe issue is software patents and it affects all continentsMay 23 23:21
schestowitzno matter where the developers liveMay 23 23:21
schestowitzthe app stores distributes in many countriesMay 23 23:21
GoForbes28Were you trying to say something like "With a case like this affecting iOS app developers, it should be made clear by now that the abusing of software patents is a global issue that needs to be addressed urgently"May 23 23:22
DaemonFCout of cigarettesMay 23 23:23
DaemonFCdo I go out in that to get more? :PMay 23 23:23
DaemonFCnahMay 23 23:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] El Salvador: Cómo llegar a WikiLeaks 23 23:23
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GoForbes28Well, I'll use that sentence anywayMay 23 23:24
GoForbes28:PMay 23 23:24
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schestowitzHey!May 23 23:28
trmancohey schestowitz May 23 23:28
schestowitzTechrightsBot-tr's daddy is hereMay 23 23:29
trmancohow's it going?May 23 23:29
schestowitzGood, and you?May 23 23:29
trmancogreat, thanks :)May 23 23:29
schestowitzHow's life going?May 23 23:29
trmancopretty goodMay 23 23:29
trmancojoined the gym 3 months agoMay 23 23:29
schestowitzYour software is thakfulyl immlortal, used more than ever beforeMay 23 23:30
schestowitztrmanco: I am starting a company related to that with a friendMay 23 23:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @glynmoody Caution on that "Call for Caution on Open Source" - I think some of you may enjoy this one... #fud #g ...May 23 23:30
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trmancoopening a gym or something?May 23 23:30
schestowitzgave you a linkMay 23 23:30
schestowitzBut it's privateMay 23 23:30
schestowitzwe only started some days ago (site)May 23 23:31
schestowitztrmanco: noMay 23 23:31
schestowitzAnd it's unrelated to my current jobs in ITMay 23 23:31
schestowitzI work in my field of researchMay 23 23:33
schestowitzAnd also in LondonMay 23 23:33
trmancowell, I've been only working out for 3 months and I can already see a huge difference... strength wise and not just thatMay 23 23:33
schestowitzCool.May 23 23:33
schestowitzYou can talk about these issues in -socialMay 23 23:33
schestowitzSo as not to dilute etch issues :-)May 23 23:34
trmancosorry, got carried away May 23 23:34
schestowitzNo, not at all..May 23 23:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] How El Salvador's El Faro (the lighthouse) partnered with WikiLeaks 23 23:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Google Translate .::. Size~: 0.9 KBMay 23 23:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Mickos, Eucalyptus & CLAs "When somebody contributes to us we require them to sign over copyright but so does the FSF": 23 23:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mickos: Amazon and Eucalyptus still rule the cloud • The Register .::. Size~: 21.66 KBMay 23 23:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks El Salvador: what the cables say about the history of US involvement 23 23:43
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Google Translate .::. Size~: 0.9 KBMay 23 23:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Fuduntu 14.10 RC Released With A New Installation Customization Tool 23 23:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Fuduntu 14.10 RC Released With A New Installation Customization Tool ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog .::. Size~: 69.31 KBMay 23 23:45
GoForbes28bb in 30 minutes topsMay 23 23:47
GoForbes28I have saved what I have done with the second articleMay 23 23:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @humbertobz The 9 Secret Burdens of Being a !Linux User (by @loserslikeus)May 23 23:53
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schestowitzGoForbes28: thanks buddyMay 23 23:57
schestowitzI've meanwhile prepared some other articlesMay 23 23:57

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