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| DaemonFC | and a broken DM that doesn't respect your power management and accessibility settings | May 30 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC | not that Unity has any accessibility settings | May 30 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | Unity doesn't meet the standards for persons with disabilities that ADA requires for federally funded institutions such as schools and libraries | May 30 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME 3 does | May 30 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | so does KDE :) | May 30 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You may start hearing less and less about schools using Ubuntu, at least in countries that have such laws | May 30 00:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] !listening to the OneRepublic - Good Life #awesome | May 30 00:03 | |
| DaemonFC | this is a major step backwards for Ubuntu, because GNOME 2 met the requirements of ADA, but now Ubuntu is actually illegal to deploy in those settings | May 30 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | at the very least, it won't happen because they'd lose their federal funding | May 30 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | (Windows XP meets the requirements of that law) | May 30 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | [23:58] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: Cloud, Cloud, Cloud, Cloud, and Cloud | May 30 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Too bad. | May 30 00:21 |
| schestowitz | !google canonical cloud exec quits | May 30 00:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Canonical services boss quits, in another departure from Ubuntu ... | http://www.cio.com.au/article/385974/canonical_services_boss_quits_another_departure_from_ubuntu_firm/ | May 30 00:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Canonical's Board Decimated As 2 More Employees Leave | http://lxnews.org/2011/05/16/canonicals-board-decimated/ | May 30 00:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Canonical services boss quits, in another departure from Ubuntu ... | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/385974/canonical_services_boss_quits_another_departure_from_ubuntu_firm/ | May 30 00:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Ubuntu cloud chief beats CTO to exit door - Register | http://www.linuxconfig.net/index.php/latest-linux-news/world/881-ubuntu-cloud-chief-beats-cto-to-exit-door-register.html | May 30 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's interesting that they hire mostly former Microsoft employees and open core people that openly fantasize about Apple | May 30 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | by interesting, I mean horrifying | May 30 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | they get hired in, do their damage, and leave | May 30 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | and they get paid all the time they're there | May 30 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, I nailed the cause of that Firefox bug | May 30 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | now I can make a bug report | May 30 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | hooray | May 30 00:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Just ran out of invites to caminus. I think I invited some good new folks to the server though :3 @tdfischer WOULD BE PROUD. | May 30 00:37 | |
| DaemonFC | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=708870 | May 30 00:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bug 708870 – Having the Use Native Popup Windows config option set makes in-page drop down menus fail. .::. Size~: 37.73 KB | May 30 00:38 |
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| DaemonFC | lol, "There is an IPhone app being sold, and the author claims that it is the official Demonoid App. There is No such thing, and we do not have anything to do with the app, nor authorized it in any way." | May 30 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | quality | May 30 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz You should get it and the app that makes fake degrees too. | May 30 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | they've been thoroughly vetted by Apple's quality control process | May 30 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure they're safe :) | May 30 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know how Apple can point fingers at the Android marketplace when Apple has such a draconian approval process and this crap makes it onto their app store anyway. | May 30 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | the truth is that none of these app stores are safe and anyone using these devices will end up with another antivirus license to buy | May 30 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I got a spam in one of my old email accounts from Avast earlier | May 30 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | special discount on Avast for Windows Phone 7 | May 30 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | :/ | May 30 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | I replied to their customer support and said if they agree to pro-rate it all the way down to free and throw in a free Windows Phone, I might start using both, because that's what it would take | May 30 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | I've had a blackberry and a java phone, and neither one of them have ever given me trouble | May 30 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | no malware or anything | May 30 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | I even got ahold of the signing key for apps for the phone I have now and signed a few j2me applets myself for it | May 30 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | how do they expect to compete for me with the crap they have with Android/Vista Phone/hypephone? | May 30 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | you can't tinker with them, what good are they? | May 30 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | you can try, but they have you on such a leash that the next mandatory update will turn the phone into a brick | May 30 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | If I had to choose between the three, I might hold down the gag reflex long enough to get something with Android | May 30 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | they use the app signing thing on j2me phones mainly to enable antifeatures | May 30 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | you try to use Opera, and every time it connects you get "are you really sure?" or something | May 30 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | same thing happened when I loaded my mobile IRC client | May 30 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | I signed both of them and it shut up | May 30 00:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @jezra yeeeaapp | May 30 00:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 188 million downloads on 2011-05-29 23:57 UTC | May 30 01:02 | |
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| _Goblin | Ive had a good night tonight.....been very interesting..... | May 30 01:16 |
| DaemonFC | Howdy doodly do! | May 30 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | Would anyone like any toast!? | May 30 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 01:18 |
| schestowitz | kipper | May 30 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: OpenSuse changed their 12.1 roadmap | May 30 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | everything is bumped back by about 3 weeks | May 30 01:27 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: I've mailed you FYI. | May 30 01:27 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: other than bumped back anything else. | May 30 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | AttachMate says they're a strong supporter of OpenSuse | May 30 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/where-novell-suse-linux-goes-from-here/8951 | May 30 01:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Where Novell & SUSE Linux goes from here | ZDNet .::. Size~: 137.21 KB | May 30 01:28 |
| oiaohm | http://www.asymco.com/2011/05/27/microsoft-has-received-five-times-more-income-from-android-than-from-windows-phone/ Nice someone done the maths | May 30 01:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft has received five times more income from Android than from Windows Phone | asymco .::. Size~: 38.56 KB | May 30 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | Brauckmann also told me that “We recognize and celebrate the value of the openSUSE Project and will remain a strong supporter of the openSUSE community. We reiterate our long-term commitment to the open source communities at the heart of our ecosystem. Our presence in these communities will help our customers benefit from the rich value of Linux, while encouraging the collaboration that has made Linux the foundation of so many computing envir | May 30 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Please not MS recieved 5 times the income as WP7 just from 1 android maker. | May 30 01:28 |
| oiaohm | not/note | May 30 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | if you can't beat them, tax them | May 30 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart sells Android tablets but basically calls them toys because they can't run Windows programs | May 30 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 01:29 |
| oiaohm | MS is taxing most of the device making world. | May 30 01:30 |
| oiaohm | Every time you use FAT MS wants payment. | May 30 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | ZOMG, you can't run WINDOWS programs, ZOMG!!!! | May 30 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | THE HORROR!!!! | May 30 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 30 01:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Callout - anyone got a good suggestion for a webcam that's Linux Compatible - I'm running Fedora. Going to use a Senheiser headset. | May 30 01:30 | |
| DaemonFC | Fedora is compatible with most webcams | May 30 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | including ones that say Microsoft | May 30 01:31 |
| oiaohm | A toy hammer that can drive a nail in you need. Then a full size hammer that is bust. | May 30 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | 10 years ago, hardware support under Linux was a nightmare | May 30 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | Now, you can grab something off the shelf at Walmart and it will most likely work fine | May 30 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | you can just throw the Windows driver disc in the garbage | May 30 01:32 |
| oiaohm | Their are still gaps. | May 30 01:32 |
| oiaohm | Lexmark printers. | May 30 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | Lexmark shouldn't be supported by any OS | May 30 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | then maybe people would quit buying their crap | May 30 01:32 |
| oiaohm | And some cannon printers. | May 30 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | they don't even work right on Windows | May 30 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | fuck em | May 30 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 01:33 |
| oiaohm | canon ones work right on Windows and Mac | May 30 01:33 |
| oiaohm | Just don't like linux | May 30 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | HP all the way | May 30 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | with printers | May 30 01:33 |
| oiaohm | HP is more expesnive on ink. | May 30 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | you won't see me using a non-HP printer | May 30 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | HP printers are basically guaranteed to work with Linux | May 30 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | just plug it in | May 30 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | the ink is not that much more obscenely priced than any other brand | May 30 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather pay a couple more dollars on ink than get some piece of crap that only works with certain versions of Windows | May 30 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 01:35 |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I use fast draft gray scale on most of what I print out anyway | May 30 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | they're not priceless pieces of art | May 30 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | they're the government saying send us this shit in triplicate or something | May 30 01:36 |
| oiaohm | I don't find epsons too bad. DaemonFC | May 30 01:36 |
| oiaohm | http://avasys.jp/eng/linux_driver/download/ | May 30 01:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Download | AVASYS CORPORATION .::. Size~: 9.12 KB | May 30 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | I don't feel like eating up my ink so some officious bureaucrat can marvel at how nice that form looks | May 30 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 30 01:36 |
| oiaohm | Basically my order of printers. | May 30 01:36 |
| oiaohm | HP easy to install expesnive on ink. | May 30 01:37 |
| oiaohm | epsons minor annoyance installing driver ok on ink. | May 30 01:37 |
| oiaohm | brothers good on ink drivers o my hell. | May 30 01:37 |
| oiaohm | But at least they work once you work out the voodoo | May 30 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | my step dad gave me an old printer, new enough that it at least used USB 2 though | May 30 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | I threw the printer in the garbage and used the cable | May 30 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | printers don't tend to come with those | May 30 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | and the fucking cable is $15 | May 30 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 01:38 |
| oiaohm | Ok | May 30 01:38 |
| oiaohm | What | May 30 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | the cable was worth more than the printer | May 30 01:38 |
| oiaohm | I order USB cables for printer for 2 dollar USD a shot. | May 30 01:39 |
| oiaohm | And that is a 5 meter long version. | May 30 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | meh, Walmart gouges then | May 30 01:39 |
| oiaohm | To be correct I sell them for 2 dollar | May 30 01:39 |
| oiaohm | That is with a 150 percent markup. | May 30 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | I end up going to Walmart because they're the only thing left in town that's not out of business that carries a variety of things | May 30 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's disgusting and explains why their prices are so high | May 30 01:40 |
| oiaohm | I guess you are a lot longer distance from china. | May 30 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | I avoid them when I can | May 30 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | there's still a supermarket, a hardware store, and some other general merchandise discount stores | May 30 01:40 |
| oiaohm | I can ring china and have a box full of cables of what ever mix I need landed here quite cheaply. | May 30 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes Walmart is the only option without driving 20 miles | May 30 01:41 |
| oiaohm | Short USB 2 cables in that box are less than 20 cents USD a unit. | May 30 01:41 |
| oiaohm | The shipping is more than the cables. | May 30 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | right, they end up in an HP branded box at Walmart for $9.97 | May 30 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | it's obscene right? | May 30 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 01:41 |
| oiaohm | Ok HP branded add 2 dollars. | May 30 01:42 |
| oiaohm | To pay HP for use of brand. | May 30 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I keep cables, of all kinds, even ones I don't use, like VGA | May 30 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | eventually I'll need one and have it | May 30 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | or save someone I know from getting raped at Walmart | May 30 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 30 01:42 |
| oiaohm | Really after finding my china cable supplier. | May 30 01:43 |
| oiaohm | Where I can email and order anything. | May 30 01:43 |
| oiaohm | I normally don't keep a large stock of cable. | May 30 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart's electronics department is terrible | May 30 01:43 |
| oiaohm | When I say anything. | May 30 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | the only portable media players they have where the hardware is not garbage are hypepods | May 30 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | and their firmware is hostile to free software | May 30 01:43 |
| oiaohm | I recently for a c64 person ordered a brand new powersupply and a full set of cables and joysticks. | May 30 01:44 |
| oiaohm | Yes person was kinda shocked. | May 30 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | I'm pleasantly surprised with Fedora 15 | May 30 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | has yet to fail me in any serious way :) | May 30 01:44 |
| oiaohm | Played with systemd yet. | May 30 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | the system uses it but I have no idea how to tweak it | May 30 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose I'll figure it out if it acts up | May 30 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | OpenSuse is falling apart | May 30 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | YAST still uses QT3 | May 30 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | it gets jammed up a lot and you end up using kill -9 on it, or zypper, or packagekit | May 30 01:46 |
| oiaohm | Really Novell did not spend the resources on SUSE it should have. | May 30 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | there's no way to get rid of orphaned RPMs because the rpmreaper program just crashes | May 30 01:46 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Behind Pakistan's F-16 deal http://alturl.com/3zrvw | May 30 02:05 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Hindu : News : Behind the Pakistan F-16 deal, a tale of many wheels .::. Size~: 59.24 KB | May 30 02:05 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: replied a while ago | May 30 02:05 |
| schestowitz | All files uploaded I think | May 30 02:06 |
| _Goblin | yeah I got it. | May 30 02:06 |
| _Goblin | cheers! | May 30 02:06 |
| schestowitz | Need to audit to endure all done | May 30 02:06 |
| schestowitz | Took all dau | May 30 02:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Improving the CC Legal User Interface http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/27467 | May 30 02:12 | |
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| msb_ | I have never had Yast jam up or crash in Suse 11.2 or 11.4 (never used 11.3). | May 30 02:13 |
| msb_ | I use zypper to install rpm files that I've downloaded. I don't know how to do that with yast. | May 30 02:15 |
| msb_ | DaemonFC: What's the definition of an "orphaned rpm" ? | May 30 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | a dependency nothing needs anymore | May 30 02:19 |
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| DaemonFC | I found out what crashes Portal when the energy ball meets the collector | May 30 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | Catalyst AI in the AMD Catalyst Control Center, turn it off and the problem goes away :P | May 30 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | grrr | May 30 02:27 |
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| DaemonFC | they optimize it all the way into a segmentation fault | May 30 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | quality B-) | May 30 02:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Thanks, @larryrusswurm "Anchored in Past Tense" made me laugh - It's a SF irony I'd never noticed: http://ur1.ca/4ay2e | May 30 02:35 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Anchored in Past Tense « The Many Rants of Larry Russwurm .::. Size~: 11.04 KB | May 30 02:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @larryrusswurm Thoughts on present tense as my sister debuts her novel. http://larryrusswurm.com/2011/05/29/anchored-in-past-tense/ | May 30 02:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @larryrusswurm Fire breathing dragon guitars. #humour http://larryrusswurm.com/2011/05/25/fire-breathing-dragon-guitars/ | May 30 02:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Former Senator Judd Gregg to Join #GoldmanSachs http://is.gd/31oUec revolving door? Lobby for policy, then get millions in wages? | May 30 02:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] William Black on Wall Street fraud http://is.gd/k0oayg systemic. Business as usual. http://is.gd/ElYY2v http://is.gd/vloYec | May 30 02:43 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Oppenheimer Analyst Fadel Gheit Thinks Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley Are Market Manipulators, Need The Government To Open A Can On Their Asses « Dealbreaker: A Wall Street Tabloid – Business News Headlines and Financial Gossip .::. Size~: 42.18 KB | May 30 02:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Fed Gave Banks Crisis Gains on Secretive Loans Low as 0.01% - Businessweek .::. Size~: 65.35 KB | May 30 02:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Nice! Linux kernel now starts at 3.0! http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.0/ | May 30 02:45 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Index of /pub/linux/kernel/v3.0 .::. Size~: 0.48 KB | May 30 02:45 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] According to rubbish press sources, Richard Stallman is "Linux founder" http://is.gd/V83msU well, now Linus knows how Richard feels. | May 30 02:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Just what is #Linux mascot #Tux doing in a TV cereal commercial? [Video] http://is.gd/tj0bCY | May 30 02:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Fedora 15 #Xfce review http://is.gd/d2E6lK "I hope, Fedora 16 Xfce will provide a better, out-of-the-box user-experience." | May 30 02:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Fedora (KDE) System Spotted Running Maya 3D on 'Doctor Who Confidential' http://is.gd/7SWae8 #kde #fedora #doctorwho #gnu #linux | May 30 02:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] My #KDE Experience http://is.gd/CuXeyV "As a hardcore GNOME user, switching over to KDE felt weird." Changes are like that... | May 30 02:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @araceletorres: O documentário do FHC vai ser censurado em São Paulo por fazer apologia ao uso de drogas? | May 30 03:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @filipesaraiva: Porque somos #GenteDiferenciada, acho. ♻ @araceletorres: Porque o FHC e a globo podem debater e nós não podemos? | May 30 03:05 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/74888424 | May 30 03:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @G. Forbes (goforbes28)'s status on Monday, 30-May-11 01:58:14 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Looks and feels like the default XFCE package setup | May 30 03:07 |
| schestowitz | haven't used it in ages (me) | May 30 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/993/snapshot37.png | May 30 03:10 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: In accordance with test protocol, we agreed to not lie to you any further. When the testing is complete, you will be missed. :) | May 30 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | May 30 03:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @rahulsundaram !Linux 3.0 rc1 is out! http://bit.ly/jud4IG | May 30 03:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] The first 3.0 kernel prepatch is out http://lwn.net/Articles/445223/rss | May 30 03:30 | |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: That's impossible! Wine doesn't work well! Blah blah FUD | May 30 03:31 |
| GoForbes28 | Wash, rinse, repeat | May 30 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | GoForbes28: Wine will never work perfectly because reverse engineering something that is always changing kind of implies that. It does work well enough to run the vast majority of Windows software, ranging from starting and immediately crashing, to better than it runs on Windows natively. :) But, overall most applications are at least usable. | May 30 03:34 |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: Exactly | May 30 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | Wine is at a state to where anyone using Windows XP should probably get rid of it and run their software on Wine instead while they wean themselves off of it. Games are another issue entirely. Depending on things like Microsoft Office to always work in Wine is just stupid. | May 30 03:35 |
| GoForbes28 | Who gives a crap if an icon is missing here or there? | May 30 03:35 |
| GoForbes28 | Even Windows can't run Windows application 100% correctly | May 30 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | That's ridiculous. Windows has perfect backward compatibility, why just the other d.....GENERAL PROTECTION FAULT, ILLEGAL OPERATION, STEVE BALLMER SENDS HIS APOLOGIES, CLICK HERE TO SEND MICROSOFT A DUMP OF ALL YOUR PRIVATE INFORMATION AS THE PROGRAM CRASHED! | May 30 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | lalala | May 30 03:37 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: cleaned up the wiki again | May 30 03:38 |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: Is WineLib widely used? | May 30 03:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Its amazing how _ALL_ the ABUs have all had the time of their lives this saturday night. Heh, at least we are league champions :D | May 30 03:38 | |
| DaemonFC | GoForbes28: Internet Explorer has performed an Illegal Operation and will be shut down. If the problem continues, contact the European Commission. | May 30 03:39 |
| GoForbes28 | lol | May 30 03:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @lwnnet The first 3.0 kernel prepatch is out http://lwn.net/Articles/445223/rss | May 30 03:40 | |
| DaemonFC | GoForbes28: EA uses a substandard version of WineLib provided by Transgaming to "port" their crappy Windows games to the Mac, where they run even worse on Cider. | May 30 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | Opera cross compiles using MingW32, it runs well on Wine because most things compiled in that way do, but there's a native Linux Opera | May 30 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | same with VLC | May 30 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | VLC for Windows is not built on Windows | May 30 03:41 |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: was aware of this | May 30 03:42 |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: VLC I mean | May 30 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | Wine libraries are used by Parallels to help accelerate DirectX in the Windows guest | May 30 03:42 |
| GoForbes28 | BTW, I love this explaination given for the TUX Fruit Loops commercial | May 30 03:42 |
| GoForbes28 | Does anyone else notice an analogy here? When refering to the snowman, they say "Wow he never shares" sound like Microsoft anyone? When they take the fruitloops,? the abominal snowman chases them because he wants them for himself, again microsoft. And then they use the "secret weapon" on him, which is an object that resembles tux. The secret weapon, tux, could be viewed as linux/open source. | May 30 03:42 |
| GoForbes28 | anywho | May 30 03:42 |
| GoForbes28 | oops forgot the quotes :P | May 30 03:42 |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: How does that work? | May 30 03:43 |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: Wine redirects DirectX calls to OpenGL | May 30 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | not quite sure, I know Stefan Dosinger had to get after them about releasing their forked source code though | May 30 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | Most companies figure free software = free to steal | May 30 03:44 |
| GoForbes28 | yep | May 30 03:44 |
| GoForbes28 | !google cherryos | May 30 03:45 |
| GoForbes28 | !google cherryos | May 30 03:45 |
| GoForbes28 | !google cherryos! | May 30 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | there's nothing wrong with proprietary software incorporating free software if they abide by the license. Opera obeys all the licenses of the free software they use. | May 30 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | The companiest hat violate the GPL are also the ones bitching about people "stealing" their software | May 30 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of the time | May 30 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | GoForbes28: Transgaming at one point said when they had 50,000 subscribers, they'd release their forked Wine code (which they took when Wine was under the MIT X11 license) under the GPL. | May 30 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | Then they got past that number of subscribers and reneged | May 30 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | They're effectively out of business now, they have vaporware and a few patents | May 30 03:49 |
| GoForbes28 | another canadian tech company | May 30 03:50 |
| GoForbes28 | We need to work on longevity | May 30 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | Crossover ate what was left of Transgaming's lunch. They work on WINE directly and just provide a friendlier frontend and official support. | May 30 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | and they run on Linux and OSX | May 30 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | What happened with Parallels is pretty common. They steal a bunch of GPL'd source code, fork it, give nothing back, and bury it in their proprietary software thinking that nobody will ever notice. | May 30 03:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @lxoliva nova versão do !publicdomain copyleft, com explicação prévia de !copyleft, e agora sob !CC BY-SA http://ur1.ca/4ayev | May 30 03:53 | |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu sells Parallels licenses in the Software Center | May 30 03:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @x11r5 heute ist #kaffee intravenös elementar! | May 30 04:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @bkuhn I created a !Git repository of all prior !GNU #Bash releases I could find: ur1.ca/4aycq Proposed replacing Savannah one w/ it ... | May 30 04:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @bkuhn I created a !Git repository of all prior !GNU #Bash releases I could find: ur1.ca/4aycq Proposed replacing Savannah one w/ it ... | May 30 04:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @gbraad am not using that tool so I can't comment. | May 30 05:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @gbraad you'd think! bug collab.net! | May 30 05:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @gbraad squeaky wheel applies here. | May 30 05:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] updating a remote desktop to #Fedora 15, (7800 km/4900 miles http://is.gd/hZwQIL) using screen, ssh and a 'permanent' ipsec tunnel | May 30 05:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Printer/cups tip: http://wp.me/pj2fj-sf | May 30 05:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] definitely no fiber in between us | May 30 05:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Warum haben spanische Gurken nur in Deutschland #EHEC Viren? #manDarfJaNochFragen | May 30 05:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @HansRosling: Shame on old OECD that still sells tax-funded statistics. World Bank has open data! http://www.gapminder.org/news/datas ... | May 30 06:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Dear #Google: 94.247.168.0/21 is *not* in #Russia, and hasn't been for a long time. It is in #Sweden. Please update your #GeoDb! | May 30 06:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @lxoliva What? but the ATI engineers obviously wrote that binary by hand. | May 30 06:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @gbraad http://lxnews.org/2011/05/23/android-vulnerable-to-attack/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/16/android_impersonation_attacks/ | May 30 07:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] @clacke oooooohh that one. seen. thought I had missed sth about the Google infrastructure, but Android I knew | May 30 07:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @ambyr00 Mike Masnick: "Can we kill off this myth that the Internet is a wild west that needs to be tamed?" http://ur1.ca/4av1j #seri ... | May 30 07:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @StephQatar: @dfscot @carlopiana efficient use of time: leave the man @ home! < fully seconded and approved! ;-) | May 30 07:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] EHEC Shmehec! | May 30 07:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Why the hell is IRC so fucking hard? How thw hell do I permanently op someone on Freenode? Gah!! | May 30 08:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] [ITA] 8 giugno Webinar Blackduck "Introduzione alle Licenze del Software Open Source" col sottoscritto http://is.gd/nk9pgY | May 30 08:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] My/Blackduck Free Software webinar advises non-FS (largely untrue) access requirements . Asked to fix as much as possible. | May 30 08:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Linux 3.0???? That's MADNESS!!!!! | May 30 08:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @tekk :-) BTW you missed the ;-P | May 30 08:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] WordPress' automatic update is the best thing ever..... | May 30 08:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Now #needcoffee kicks in. | May 30 08:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @carlopiana: Now #needcoffee kicks in. | May 30 08:15 | |
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| asdfas2wefw | "Open Technology Development (OTD): Lessons Learned & Best Practices for Military Software" | May 30 08:28 |
| asdfas2wefw | http://mil-oss.org/resources/otd-lessons-learned-military-v1.pdf | May 30 08:28 |
| asdfas2wefw | http://mil-oss.org/resources/papers-and-presentations | May 30 08:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] some simple example for using !node by @henri; https://gist.github.com/978411 !js #nodejs | May 30 08:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] Linus released Linux 3.0-rc1http://bit.ly/l1zPdT More on the world order aka 3.0 on heise.de soon and later on h-online.com, too | May 30 08:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] "I do not want to go down in history as the idiot who sent the first broken [...] this new and exciting 3.0 kernel age" http://bit.ly/iEhiAE | May 30 08:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] #NoamChomsky on the death of #OBL: https://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/05/21-4 Couldn't agree more. Noam Chomsky rules. | May 30 08:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Reminder to self: #Citrix's GotoMeeting is #evil #freedomhater :-/ bigtime #fail | May 30 08:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Linux 3.0 http://lxnews.org/2011/05/30/linux-3-0/ | May 30 08:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @carlopiana: Reminder to self: #Citrix's GotoMeeting is #evil #freedomhater :-/ bigtime #fail | May 30 08:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !lo ♺ @lxnews: Linux 3.0 http://lxnews.org/2011/05/30/linux-3-0/ | May 30 08:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I had totally forgotten that I set up http://sixgun.tv ages ago. :) | May 30 08:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Worst ever carbon emissions leave #climate on the brink - http://bit.ly/k3jtPb I hope Republican politicians are happy now... | May 30 08:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Realizing it's bank holiday in many places. Today should be a more relaxed day than expected :-) | May 30 08:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Fastpasstv Shuts Down After U.K. Arrest - http://bit.ly/mFpuP8 #whackamole continues, pointlessly | May 30 08:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Chinese are spending 43% less time watching #TV and 45% more time surfing the #net - http://tnw.co/mtcyB3 big numbers #china | May 30 08:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] #MSFT earns more from !Android than from Windows Phone 7. Awesome. http://ur1.ca/4azkc So, when do we kill #swpats ? /via @tante | May 30 08:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] MSFT earns more from Android than they do from Windows Phone7 http://ur1.ca/4azkc (via @tante) | May 30 08:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #China's Blue Army of 30 computer experts could deploy cyber warfare on foreign powers - http://bit.ly/mirBiF "could"??? | May 30 09:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Listening to episode 1 of !cyberunions !fs plus organised labour. http://cyberunions.org | May 30 09:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Open Bootloaders: Smartphone Makers Finally Get It http://lxnews.org/2011/05/30/open-bootloaders/ | May 30 09:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Linus kicks ass! #oneofus ♺ @davidmn: I love Linus' attitude. | May 30 09:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] !q "Live and let down" ;-) | May 30 09:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: The 14 oddly missing Guantanamo files http://alturl.com/88vjp !wl | May 30 09:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] "[cyberwar] is just like ping-pong. We have more people playing it, so we are very good at it" http://bit.ly/mirBiF #china /via @glynmoody | May 30 09:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] If you capitalise the word "community" in your blog posts, I really advise a vacation among real people in the real world ASAP. | May 30 09:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Brasero and Evolution the most commonly found packages as default in a distro - The two packages I ALWAYS replace. | May 30 09:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Gwibber - Great application, shame about its sluggishness and tendency to be a little buggy - Needs supervision. | May 30 09:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Document Foundation Appeals to Open Office to Join Them http://lxnews.org/2011/05/30/document-foundation-appeals-to-open-office/ | May 30 09:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Flattr'ed @splitbrain because he does great work for the F/OSS community. I suggest you do the same. https://flattr.com/profile/splitbrain | May 30 09:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #GNU #Linux in USA http://is.gd/KSpgdQ not too shabby, not as widely used as in other nations, though. | May 30 09:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Microsoft Kills Asterisk's Skype Integration http://lxnews.org/2011/05/30/microsoft-kills-asterisk-skype/ | May 30 09:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The #Dylan enclosure movement - http://bit.ly/llsy6u fascinating: Dylan as the #Disney of music #commons #folksongs | May 30 09:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @chrisjung: Wer CC-NC-Bilder für Ebay-Aukt. hotlinkt [...] muss sich nicht wundern, wenn seine Auktion einen Penis zeigt. | May 30 09:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] PBS hacked, defaced in apparent retribution for Frontline !Wikileaks episode http://ur1.ca/4b004 | May 30 09:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh Samsung's hardware isn't up to scratch and their update support sucks balls. | May 30 09:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @richslxh unfortunately #Samsung have been coughing up longer than #HTC, their hardware is at the cheaper end of the market too | May 30 10:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @fabsh: can't comment, I'm afraid - outside my area of competence... | May 30 10:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @richslxh the point of harassing these vendors, is to make them drop #Android and adopt something they know nobody wants #WP7 | May 30 10:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Awesome. That is all. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/restclient/ #firefox #rest #development | May 30 10:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RT @richslxh Linus Torvalds has announced that the next version of the Linux Kernel release is to be '3.0' !linux | May 30 10:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] US Citizen Visiting !Thailand Arrested For Blog Posting http://ur1.ca/4b02o | May 30 10:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Detroit crime lab abandoned, left rape kits and live ammo for years http://ur1.ca/4b02r | May 30 10:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Canadian indie ISP owner recounts how corrupt monopoly drove her out of business http://ur1.ca/4az7d | May 30 10:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Body slammed and choked by cops for dancing at Jefferson Memorial http://ur1.ca/4b033 | May 30 10:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] FDA Sued To Stop Antibiotic Abuse On Factory Farms http://ur1.ca/4b03d | May 30 10:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh Just because it's not a big loss for you or your company doesn't mean it isn't an important feature. | May 30 10:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @fabsh the carriers are a HUGE part of the user experience on any smartphone, plenty carriers kill the #Android experience with their shit | May 30 10:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @fabsh: in what sense? | May 30 10:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Wow, I have 75 unread news in my feedly. Let's have a #nescafé and see what has happened in the last few days... | May 30 10:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #XKCD: Homeownership http://xkcd.com/905/ | May 30 10:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] My Green !Fedora http://is.gd/I6YZKx #gnu #linux | May 30 10:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Tech Drive-in: 4 #LibreOffice Splash Screens Worth Checking Out http://goo.gl/Sx0Mt | May 30 10:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Off and away: Ivanka Majic hits the road on leave from the design team http://goo.gl/x1QYx | May 30 10:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: [How to] Enable !Unity integration for remote desktop app ‘Remmina’ http://goo.gl/Bs9Lg | May 30 10:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #BodhiLinux 1.1.0 Review http://is.gd/ZZCA7N "aimed at being relatively easy to use and easy on hardware resources" | May 30 10:30 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Off and away: Ivanka Majic hits the road on leave from the design team .::. Size~: 70.51 KB | May 30 10:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [How to] Enable Unity integration for remote desktop app ‘Remmina’ .::. Size~: 45.05 KB | May 30 10:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bodhi Linux 1.1.0 Review .::. Size~: 24.26 KB | May 30 10:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Ars Technica Hands On: #Miro 4.0 offers music management, !Android syncing http://goo.gl/8Ihhl | May 30 10:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Linaro 11.05 released http://goo.gl/5gmVa | May 30 10:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Magazine publishers eye #Android, finally http://is.gd/D6Q57b going mainstream, attacked by #Microsoft with #swpats blackmail | May 30 10:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Martin Gräßlin: Plasma Compositor and Window Manager in 4.7 http://goo.gl/PwAIf | May 30 10:32 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Hands on: Miro 4.0 offers music management, Android syncing .::. Size~: 34.82 KB | May 30 10:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linaro 11.05 released | Linaro - Software foundations for an open digital world .::. Size~: 36.23 KB | May 30 10:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Magazine publishers eye Android, finally « Cellular « MyBroadband Tech and IT News .::. Size~: 38.35 KB | May 30 10:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Plasma Compositor and Window Manager in 4.7 « Martin’s Blog .::. Size~: 59.87 KB | May 30 10:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Martin Gräßlin: The Compositing Modes of KDE Plasma Workspaces Explained http://goo.gl/Fh8vj | May 30 10:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @marjoleink I really really hate it when web pages refresh while I'm READING and I have to find my pace again | May 30 10:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Carlos Garnacho: Introducing Cossa, a GTK+ theme previewer for #gedit http://goo.gl/fAQ28 !gnome | May 30 10:33 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Compositing Modes of KDE Plasma Workspaces Explained « Martin’s Blog .::. Size~: 27.51 KB | May 30 10:33 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Nekohayo!: #PiTiVi pre-release http://goo.gl/aMdh6 PiTiVi now offers Audio and video effects, redesigned dialogs, many new features | May 30 10:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "This year's Day Against DRM on May 4th was an overall success." http://is.gd/d6JHge it's a good campaign | May 30 10:37 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: PiTiVi pre-release .::. Size~: 52.26 KB | May 30 10:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Highlights from the 2011 Day Against DRM | DefectiveByDesign.org .::. Size~: 16.75 KB | May 30 10:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #OBS—The New Name Speaks Volumes http://goo.gl/PXWzB #openSUSE Build Service has been renamed to Open Build Service | May 30 10:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: OBS—The New Name Speaks Volumes | Bryen's Blog and Beyond .::. Size~: 20 KB | May 30 10:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Jono Bacon: Problems Open Doors To Solutions http://goo.gl/ibkBN | May 30 10:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Location-aware !GNOME Shell: Weekly report 01 http://goo.gl/MxGzN | May 30 10:40 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Problems Open Doors To Solutions | jonobacon@home .::. Size~: 50.89 KB | May 30 10:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Location-aware GNOME Shell: Weekly report 01 - Stuff about Steph .::. Size~: 13.57 KB | May 30 10:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @lxnews Linux 3.0 http://lxnews.org/2011/05/30/linux-3-0/ | May 30 10:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @lxnews Open Bootloaders: Smartphone Makers Finally Get It http://lxnews.org/2011/05/30/open-bootloaders/ | May 30 10:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @lxnews Document Foundation Appeals to Open Office to Join Them http://lxnews.org/2011/05/30/document-foundation-appeals-to-open-office/ | May 30 10:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @lxnews Microsoft Kills Asterisk's Skype Integration http://lxnews.org/2011/05/30/microsoft-kills-asterisk-skype/ | May 30 10:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Canonical Chief Designer Hits the Road http://is.gd/RxFMY9 door of opportunity to #Ubuntu rivals and Canonical knows it. /CC @jonobacon | May 30 10:42 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux 3.0 .::. Size~: 28.23 KB | May 30 10:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Open Bootloaders: Smartphone Makers Finally Get It .::. Size~: 28.21 KB | May 30 10:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Document Foundation Appeals to Open Office to Join Them .::. Size~: 29.58 KB | May 30 10:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Kills Asterisk’s Skype Integration .::. Size~: 27.84 KB | May 30 10:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Canonical Chief Designer Hits the Road - Linux Magazine Online .::. Size~: 39.87 KB | May 30 10:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Launchpad Blog: Tilde or not tilde http://goo.gl/wdDCT | May 30 10:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Matt Zimmerman joined Singly: http://goo.gl/wMo3c | May 30 10:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Why don't people understand? I DON'T WANT __ANY__ EMAIL ON MUMBLE!!! I thought I'd made that clear on the last !LO. Bunch of morons..... | May 30 10:43 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Launchpad Blog .::. Size~: 9.88 KB | May 30 10:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Why I’m excited about joining Singly « We'll see | Matt Zimmerman .::. Size~: 58.96 KB | May 30 10:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #Lancer not a supercar? I just bested a SLR McLaren! #GT5 | May 30 10:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @gbraad Well, on gravel the Impreza pretty well bests anything including a Veyron. ;) | May 30 10:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG: How much does !Unity, !GNOME Shell affect performance? http://goo.gl/3OMUU | May 30 10:47 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How much does Unity, GNOME-Shell affect performance? .::. Size~: 37.02 KB | May 30 10:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @fabsh: ah, I see - thanks | May 30 10:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] New CyanogenMod Features Improved Permissions Control http://lxnews.org/2011/05/30/new-cyanogenmod-permissions-control/ | May 30 10:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] @fabsh this was High Speed Ring. | May 30 10:48 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: New CyanogenMod Features Improved Permissions Control .::. Size~: 27.69 KB | May 30 10:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: HTC backs down and agrees to open bootloaders. Give them props. [OPINION] http://goo.gl/ezAyD !android | May 30 10:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: Windows Phone not selling? Who cares – !Android makes more money for Microsoft http://goo.gl/xup5b | May 30 10:50 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Androinica » HTC backs down and agrees to open bootloaders. Give them props. [OPINION] .::. Size~: 49.14 KB | May 30 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Androinica » Windows Phone not selling? Who cares – Android makes more money for Microsoft .::. Size~: 47.04 KB | May 30 10:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @gbraad Heh. Interesting. | May 30 10:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Nizar Kerkeni: !Unity or not Unity? (poll) http://goo.gl/9ic5T | May 30 10:52 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Unity or not Unity ? | Pourquoi pas !! .::. Size~: 99.87 KB | May 30 10:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Thorsten Wilms: Affects me, too! http://goo.gl/QsUja !launchpad | May 30 10:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Affects me, too! « Thorwil's .::. Size~: 37.57 KB | May 30 10:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] made two steering mistakes and now the McLaren F1 best me :-s #GT5 | May 30 10:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @NeelieKroesEU: Attending event in Parliament now to look at the success of the #Public Private Partnership for European Green Cars | May 30 11:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CajunTechie/status/75137456940400640 | May 30 11:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @CajunTechie: @schestowitz I hadn't even heard of Day Against #DRM. #FSF initiative I take it? | May 30 11:03 |
| schestowitz | yes, it didn't get much exposure. At least it received *some*. | May 30 11:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New GNU/Linux distro release: "Release Notes for #Grml 2011.05 - codename Just Mari" http://is.gd/mBQQvb Any reviews yet? | May 30 11:03 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: grml.org - Release Notes: Grml 2011.05 - Codename Just Mari .::. Size~: 15.76 KB | May 30 11:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] 284 km/h max with a super tuned Lancer Evo X, stayed 3 laps in front of the Veyron (blocking him) #GT5 | May 30 11:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #SourceForge Global Traffic Distribution: #France Up, #Germany Down http://is.gd/hyChUj France leads in FOSS adoption, Spain too | May 30 11:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Jonathan Thomas: #Muon Suite 1.1.3 Released http://goo.gl/LwNWP !kubuntu | May 30 11:07 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: SourceForge Global Traffic Distribution: France Up, Germany Down .::. Size~: 32.02 KB | May 30 11:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Muon Suite 1.1.3 Released « Jonathan's Blog .::. Size~: 24.57 KB | May 30 11:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Preparing for #LinuxCon Japan: Tsunami Relief, Comic Relief http://is.gd/tUddW7 Upcoming Open Source Webinars http://is.gd/0IYOwV | May 30 11:08 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Upcoming Open Source Webinars: DuraSpace, Nuxeo, SMART .::. Size~: 28.56 KB | May 30 11:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] John Perry Barlow Comes Out Guns Blazing at E-G8 http://lxnews.org/2011/05/30/john-perry-barlow-guns-blazing/ | May 30 11:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Amish man says... [IMG] http://imgur.com/QIufj #humor | May 30 11:10 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: John Perry Barlow Comes Out Guns Blazing at E-G8 .::. Size~: 30.51 KB | May 30 11:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: imgur: the simple image sharer .::. Size~: 8.23 KB | May 30 11:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @lxnews: John Perry Barlow Comes Out Guns Blazing at E-G8 http://lxnews.org/2011/05/30/john-perry-barlow-guns-blazing/ | May 30 11:12 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: John Perry Barlow Comes Out Guns Blazing at E-G8 .::. Size~: 30.51 KB | May 30 11:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @mrspuck: Fremdschämen deluxe ... http://is.gd/XmKgRx ... die #cdu und die neuen Medien ... #fb | May 30 11:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Wenn das Internet voll ist... - Die wunderbare Welt von Isotopp .::. Size~: 149.95 KB | May 30 11:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] How To Keep Your Data Safe? Keep It With You http://is.gd/cJFRPp same w/ program binaries (no to Fog Computing) and source (no proprietary) | May 30 11:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How To Keep Your Data Safe? Keep It With You | Muktware .::. Size~: 40.44 KB | May 30 11:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The attempt to 'civilise' people by taking away their algorithms (patents), code (control), binaries (access), and data (privacy) is noted | May 30 11:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Aus aktuellem Anlass: So spielt der Meister "Blinded by the Light" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4lZbkZ2W1M #WrittenByTheBoss | May 30 11:17 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Blinded by the Light .::. Size~: 109.46 KB | May 30 11:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Linaro 11.11 public plan reviews http://goo.gl/5zmHI | May 30 11:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] YouTube will soon be all #webm so I've spent some time uploading !techbytes (old episodes) to the site | May 30 11:18 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linaro 11.11 public plan reviews | Linaro - Software foundations for an open digital world .::. Size~: 33.71 KB | May 30 11:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #DistroWatch Weekly Issue 407 has been released. This week's feature story: SimplyMEPIS 11.0 http://goo.gl/LDqqg | May 30 11:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Apple builds with the help of communist China in their sweatshops where suicides are common" http://is.gd/kyuVQj #apple #noHype | May 30 11:20 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. .::. Size~: 101.76 KB | May 30 11:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Samsung Bites Apple: Wants To See iPad3, iPhone 5 Design | Muktware .::. Size~: 40.81 KB | May 30 11:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Linux User’s !Ubuntu Column #100 with Mark Shuttleworth http://goo.gl/tlWRi | May 30 11:25 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux User’s Ubuntu Column #100 with Mark Shuttleworth | Linux User .::. Size~: 79.34 KB | May 30 11:25 |
| schestowitz | http://imgur.com/7c7sB | May 30 11:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: imgur: the simple image sharer .::. Size~: 8.24 KB | May 30 11:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh I think you didn't understand what I was talking about. I'm not talking about carriers at all. | May 30 11:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Gamers [IMG] http://i.imgur.com/ytwCb.jpg | May 30 11:32 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | May 30 11:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Alexander Sack: !Linaro 11.05 release comes with !Android, !Ubuntu and Working Group Components for #ARM http://goo.gl/zSGJ6 | May 30 11:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Microsoft Earns More from Android Than Windows Phone http://lxnews.org/2011/05/30/microsoft-earns-more-from-android/ | May 30 11:33 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: asac casa: Home of Alexander, Linaro 11.05 release comes with Android, Ubuntu and Working Group Components for ARM .::. Size~: 48.1 KB | May 30 11:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Earns More from Android Than Windows Phone .::. Size~: 29.03 KB | May 30 11:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !LO Microsoft hires Silvio Dante as new head of smartphone bizdev: http://lxnews.org/2011/05/30/microsoft-earns-more-from-android #mafia | May 30 11:35 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Earns More from Android Than Windows Phone .::. Size~: 29.03 KB | May 30 11:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Major Labels Think That They Own The Independent Artists – Do They? http://is.gd/8duQmz #greed has no boundaries in #Hollywood | May 30 11:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Anti-cuts groups descend on banks in NHS protest. http://ur1.ca/4b0id #savetheNHS via@rms | May 30 11:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Won another donain name ADR, this time .it - first after a long interval: usually I recover them w/o fight or in court. | May 30 11:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Major Labels Think That They Own The Independent Artists – Do They? | Wayne Borean .::. Size~: 34.02 KB | May 30 11:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 2011: March - June Political Notes - Richard Stallman .::. Size~: 578.79 KB | May 30 11:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Orwell 2.0? De Montfort proposes wi-fi surveillance http://is.gd/ziQy5T cellphones not enough? | May 30 11:40 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Times Higher Education - Orwell 2.0? De Montfort proposes wi-fi surveillance .::. Size~: 25.04 KB | May 30 11:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] In Cosmos, #sagan et al. referred to nuclear science as tool for success or destruction in 1's hands.Wi-fi is similar - can be misused badly | May 30 11:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @fabsh !LO Microsoft hires Silvio Dante as new head of smartphone bizdev: http://ur1.ca/4b0m5 | May 30 11:42 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Earns More from Android Than Windows Phone .::. Size~: 29.03 KB | May 30 11:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Fife police defend use of CCTV after high 'Big Brother' ranking http://is.gd/HVGmlt but does it prevent crime, empirically speaking? | May 30 11:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] US to hold details of British air passengers for 15 years http://is.gd/8UUXoj #Osama is dead, but the 'PATRIOT' legacy lives on | May 30 11:43 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Courier - Fife police defend use of CCTV after high 'Big Brother' ranking .::. Size~: 52.83 KB | May 30 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: US to hold details of British air passengers for 15 years - Telegraph .::. Size~: 75.72 KB | May 30 11:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I really like the new !uupc album art. The old one was really ugly... | May 30 11:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] That did it I just deleted #LAS podcast from my podcatcher. Those 2 idiots doing the show are just to stupid for my taste #Fedora #lo #Linux | May 30 11:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Hednesford #CCTV failing to catch criminals http://is.gd/7nK8o4 Thieves paint over CCTV cameras http://is.gd/rh5f7s CCTV=sales of equipment | May 30 11:50 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Hednesford CCTV failing to catch criminals - Cannock Chase Post .::. Size~: 65.26 KB | May 30 11:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Thieves paint over CCTV cameras to steal eight tonnes of clothing from Fenland compound - News - Cambs Times .::. Size~: 51.43 KB | May 30 11:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] How many TERROR~1 has the #backscatter #xray scanner managed to stop so far? How many people will it give cancer to, at some stage? #airporn | May 30 11:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Devizes #CCTV cameras face funding shortfall http://is.gd/Efcvb6 the business of selling many electronic circuits, for "our protection" | May 30 11:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC News - Devizes' CCTV cameras face funding shortfall .::. Size~: 60.75 KB | May 30 11:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] OK. Got some LO research done. Now on to uni work. Don't call me, I'm busy.... | May 30 11:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Patriot Act surveillance provisions extended in nick of time http://is.gd/0uGYC3 war on drugs=>breaching into property;war on communism=>spy | May 30 11:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] If PATRIOT Act is for patriots, then the national doctrine is paranoia. | May 30 11:58 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Patriot Act surveillance provisions extended in nick of time | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 90.94 KB | May 30 11:58 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/74916611 | May 30 11:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @satipera (satipera)'s status on Monday, 30-May-11 10:48:39 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I will keep saying it you should not be linking to a Conservative Party astroturf group. Despite what they say about non party. | May 30 11:59 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/74916750 | May 30 11:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @satipera (satipera)'s status on Monday, 30-May-11 10:51:13 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz The money for that group and the tax payers alliance comes from very dodgy secretive sources. | May 30 11:59 |
| schestowitz | What is this group? | May 30 11:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfxVR9hXiIM | May 30 12:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Disappearing Car Prank .::. Size~: 128.59 KB | May 30 12:03 |
| schestowitz | LOL http://i.imgur.com/yzx75.png | May 30 12:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | May 30 12:04 |
| MinceR | :> | May 30 12:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] PS4 will come http://is.gd/JOG9JW | May 30 12:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Sony Confirms Development of PS4, Cuts PlayStation Development Budget - X-bit labs .::. Size~: 123.38 KB | May 30 12:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: Patriot Act surveillance provisions extended in nick of time http://is.gd/0uGYC3 ... | May 30 12:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] ♺ @TweetChina: China clampdown in Inner Mongolia http://bbc.in/m1gLt4 - BBC | May 30 12:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: #Devizes #CCTV cameras face funding shortfall http://is.gd/Efcvb6 the business of selling many ...for "our protection" | May 30 12:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: Hednesford #CCTV failing to catch criminals http://is.gd/7nK8o4 Thieves paint over CCTV cameras http://is.gd/rh5f7s ... | May 30 12:17 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Patriot Act surveillance provisions extended in nick of time | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 90.97 KB | May 30 12:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC News - China's Inner Mongolia 'under heavy security' .::. Size~: 60.73 KB | May 30 12:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC News - Devizes' CCTV cameras face funding shortfall .::. Size~: 60.74 KB | May 30 12:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Hednesford CCTV failing to catch criminals - Cannock Chase Post .::. Size~: 65.26 KB | May 30 12:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Thieves paint over CCTV cameras to steal eight tonnes of clothing from Fenland compound - News - Cambs Times .::. Size~: 51.57 KB | May 30 12:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: US to hold details of British air passengers for 15 years http://is.gd/8UUXoj #Osama is dead, but the 'PATRIOT' legacy lives | May 30 12:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: Orwell 2.0? De Montfort proposes wi-fi surveillance http://is.gd/ziQy5T cellphones not enough? | May 30 12:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: The Major Labels Think That They Own The Independent Artists – Do They? http://is.gd/8duQmz #greed has no boundaries ... | May 30 12:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: How To Keep Your Data Safe? Keep It With You http://is.gd/cJFRPp ... | May 30 12:18 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: US to hold details of British air passengers for 15 years - Telegraph .::. Size~: 75.73 KB | May 30 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Times Higher Education - Orwell 2.0? De Montfort proposes wi-fi surveillance .::. Size~: 25.04 KB | May 30 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Major Labels Think That They Own The Independent Artists – Do They? | Wayne Borean .::. Size~: 34.02 KB | May 30 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How To Keep Your Data Safe? Keep It With You | Muktware .::. Size~: 40.51 KB | May 30 12:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: #SourceForge Global Traffic Distribution: #France Up, #Germany Down http://is.gd/hyChUj France leads in FOSS adoption, Spain | May 30 12:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Allied Telesis divulges secret backdoor http://is.gd/WF8zA2 | May 30 12:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Are #backdoors sometimes a matter of government compliance? http://is.gd/FKgard | May 30 12:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Good Morning !Identiverse | May 30 12:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Italy Thinks #Apple Is Ripping Off Customers On Their Warranties [AppleCare] http://is.gd/GLdIw5 Paying more for less. | May 30 12:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Bill Gates is a ruthless capitalist"-fund manager http://is.gd/5TS0RX | May 30 12:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz Allied Telesis divulges secret backdoor http://is.gd/WF8zA2 | May 30 12:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz Are #backdoors sometimes a matter of government compliance? http://is.gd/FKgard | May 30 12:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Funny short old man shouting nonsense out of the Court of Milan. No. It wasn't Mr. B. | May 30 12:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @lxnews Microsoft Earns More from Android Than Windows Phone http://lxnews.org/2011/05/30/microsoft-earns-more-from-android/ | May 30 12:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Mubarak's $90M 'phone bill' http://is.gd/OUy3sp that's small money for him. When will he be arrested for demanding that tanks run over ppl? | May 30 12:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Why as a developer you should not rely on #Google http://is.gd/sRwDbD #api | May 30 12:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Linux 3.0 is coming for sure now. http://is.gd/PePEAZ (Linux 3.0-rc1) | May 30 12:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @dandart Pigs HAVE to fly now that I have proof of #linux3 | May 30 12:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz Mubarak's $90M 'phone bill' http://is.gd/OUy3sp that's small money for him. When will he be arrested for demanding that ... | May 30 12:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Funny. Critic describing an actor. "It was like a petrified forest of woodenness" | May 30 13:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The #Guardian: Yes, but of What? - http://bit.ly/krpe1L why is it calling for software patents in the UK? #swpats #google | May 30 13:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Damn, it's hot! I'm declaring this another #noshirtday. | May 30 13:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Germany announces it will abandon nuclear power !green | May 30 13:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Linus: “Muchas patentes son totalmente ridículas” - http://bit.ly/kfow6F solo "muchas"? (v @blejman @beabusaniche) #swpats #linux | May 30 13:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @satipera Germany announces it will abandon nuclear power !green | May 30 13:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Access Copyright Backlash: Writers Union of #Canada Calls for Collective Licensing Reform - http://bit.ly/l4EZEI getting interesting | May 30 13:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] First release candidate of #Linux 3.0 available - http://bit.ly/mnVIrA "voices in his head" had told him the numbers are getting too big | May 30 13:10 | |
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| asdfas2wefw | Food crisis pending in North America! 100% of Americans do not have food insurance!!! | May 30 13:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Arrested File-Sharing Admins Face Jail, $700,000 Fines - http://bit.ly/jmtV19 making lots of money not so clever #fr #ca | May 30 13:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Linus says "absolutely nothing" changes in #Linux 3.0 - http://bit.ly/mHjFEh ah, that open source humility | May 30 13:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] 2nd installment of #Inconstant Moon #serialization is now online: http://ur1.ca/4b10b !mynovel | May 30 13:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody Arrested File-Sharing Admins Face Jail, $700,000 Fines - http://bit.ly/jmtV19 making lots of money not so clever #fr #ca | May 30 13:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @glynmoody Linux 3.0 http://is.gd/3UxXna < "Yay! Let the bikeshed painting discussions about version numbering begin" | May 30 13:20 | |
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| schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/files/6t5Z2.ogv | May 30 13:24 |
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| asdfas2wefw | http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/jacks-blog-10017212/linus-says-absolutely-nothing-changes-in-linux-30-10022567/ | May 30 13:26 |
| asdfas2wefw | Linus says "absolutely nothing" changes in Linux 3.0 | May 30 13:26 |
| ender2070_33 | didnt know there were 3.0 plans | May 30 13:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @NeelieKroesEU: @nourhanusama thanks so much for being follower number 20,000! Very pleased to have followers like you in Egypt :) | May 30 13:27 | |
| asdfas2wefw | there aren't | May 30 13:27 |
| asdfas2wefw | it's just an number increment | May 30 13:27 |
| ender2070_33 | hmmm | May 30 13:27 |
| ender2070_33 | why did they do that | May 30 13:27 |
| asdfas2wefw | because he can | May 30 13:27 |
| asdfas2wefw | and it's been 2.x for ages and ages | May 30 13:28 |
| ender2070_33 | he could have called it 13.0 for sure | May 30 13:28 |
| ender2070_33 | but why, makes no sense | May 30 13:28 |
| ender2070_33 | not even a 2.8 series | May 30 13:28 |
| ender2070_33 | in software engineering a major version should have significant differences | May 30 13:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #NVIDIA Project Kal-El Demo: Glowball http://is.gd/sjK7Jx quite nice to watch. !playogg | May 30 13:28 | |
| schestowitz | ender2070_33: bankers and "think tanks" for "sustainability" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq9QkN_b6is&feature=digest | May 30 13:29 |
| ender2070_33 | the linux foundation hired too many marketeers | May 30 13:29 |
| ender2070_33 | schestowitz - of course thye are | May 30 13:29 |
| ender2070_33 | it gives them a reason to take everything | May 30 13:29 |
| ender2070_33 | breton woods lol | May 30 13:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Cryptocurrency is here to stay. The case for an alternative taxing system - http://bit.ly/lsoNui provocative: "Citizen’s salary" #economics | May 30 13:30 | |
| asdfas2wefw | Turn your best farmland into officeparks and hope someone else will sell you their food. | May 30 13:30 |
| ender2070_33 | these guys are the globalists | May 30 13:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @ioerror: And now for the flight to Vienna, hopefully boarding without issues. | May 30 13:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Just ordered new glasses. Can't wait. Newly calibrated glasses make working on the computer so much easier every time. :) | May 30 13:32 | |
| ender2070_33 | William Rees is one of the guys | May 30 13:33 |
| ender2070_33 | his name, Will i am, EE and RS | May 30 13:33 |
| ender2070_33 | EE = 88 | May 30 13:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Social Engineering - http://bit.ly/llEYh1 intriguing: "if you can't see the wires you can't trust the channel" | May 30 13:33 | |
| ender2070_33 | REES = BEES | May 30 13:35 |
| ender2070_33 | hive mind mentality | May 30 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Rich people vs consumption | May 30 13:35 |
| schestowitz | They must have flown in a helicopter into the panel :-) | May 30 13:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Alexander Sack: !Linaro and #Samsung launch Origen Exynos #ARM development board http://goo.gl/fsiV3 | May 30 13:35 | |
| schestowitz | Gotta love it when bankers pretend it is them who offer solution to poverty | May 30 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Grand. | May 30 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Billionaires for "distribution of wealth" :-) | May 30 13:36 |
| ender2070_33 | they're being direct this time | May 30 13:36 |
| schestowitz | This video is funny for many reasons | May 30 13:36 |
| ender2070_33 | ususally they just pay grassroots groups | May 30 13:36 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather see science folks - not rich aristocrats - talking about the planet | May 30 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Gore is no objective person, either | May 30 13:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @syntax @davidmn Hmm. How can anybody object to wind/water power on aesthetic grounds, though? Turbines are *awesome*. :D | May 30 13:37 | |
| schestowitz | A suit "for the planet" | May 30 13:37 |
| ender2070_33 | yeah? | May 30 13:37 |
| ender2070_33 | who do you think is the biggest funder of greenpeace | May 30 13:38 |
| ender2070_33 | a suit | May 30 13:38 |
| ender2070_33 | but when its in the background you dont care | May 30 13:38 |
| ender2070_33 | Ted Turner, a CNN suit - made Captain Planet | May 30 13:38 |
| schestowitz | I love it.. the video | May 30 13:38 |
| schestowitz | How the rich decide how to fix the problem which is them | May 30 13:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @mjjzf I often have to restrain myself from installing other !Linux distributions. Sometimes you have to stop your hop and actually g ... | May 30 13:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @lnxwalt280 @patrickniedzielski Marvin Gaye sounds like an excellent way to celebrate my first day off in three weeks. | May 30 13:38 | |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 30 13:38 |
| ender2070_33 | you're blaming the rich? | May 30 13:39 |
| ender2070_33 | i thought it was just big oil | May 30 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Not the rich | May 30 13:39 |
| ender2070_33 | and corporations that do damage | May 30 13:39 |
| ender2070_33 | you just said rich | May 30 13:39 |
| schestowitz | A subset of them | May 30 13:39 |
| ender2070_33 | freudian slip | May 30 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Some pretend | May 30 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Some stay silent | May 30 13:39 |
| schestowitz | So they don't show their hypocrisy | May 30 13:40 |
| schestowitz | those who try "to fix the problem" for their own fame | May 30 13:40 |
| schestowitz | And then take a 747 back home | May 30 13:40 |
| ender2070_33 | they usually keep quite and silently fund front groups to take away our rights and money for the environment | May 30 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Watch what the JP Morgan guy says | May 30 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Outraegous | May 30 13:41 |
| ender2070_33 | i've already shown evidence for this, it took a video with rich people admitting their intentions to convince you | May 30 13:41 |
| ender2070_33 | jp morgan is part of the globalists too | May 30 13:41 |
| ender2070_33 | they funded the nazi's | May 30 13:42 |
| schestowitz | LOL | May 30 13:42 |
| schestowitz | "The scale of the economy in the 17th was 17 times smaller" | May 30 13:42 |
| schestowitz | WTH does it even MEAN? | May 30 13:42 |
| schestowitz | "scale of the economy"... | May 30 13:42 |
| ender2070_33 | inflation | May 30 13:42 |
| schestowitz | what is economy? | May 30 13:42 |
| schestowitz | What bothers me is the repeated use of the work "Sustainable" too | May 30 13:43 |
| schestowitz | It's actually like "green" | May 30 13:43 |
| schestowitz | !google skeptoid sustainable | May 30 13:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] It's raining but there ain't a cloud in the sky, must've been a tear from your eye.... I'm waiting, waiting on a sunny day. Everyone!! | May 30 13:43 | |
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| ender2070_33 | seriously, i've been ranting about this stuff for months | May 30 13:44 |
| ender2070_33 | :) | May 30 13:44 |
| schestowitz | !google skeptoid sustainable | May 30 13:44 |
| ender2070_33 | these are the same guys who want to invent carbon currency | May 30 13:44 |
| ender2070_33 | just to be more rich | May 30 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | May 30 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | The host (Jay) calls them part of the Americanelite | May 30 13:44 |
| schestowitz | To the panel | May 30 13:44 |
| schestowitz | !google skeptoid sustainable | May 30 13:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Sustainable Sustainability - Skeptoid | http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4005 | May 30 13:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Skeptoid Episode Guide - Environment | http://skeptoid.com/episode_guide.php%3Fcat%3D9 | May 30 13:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Organic vs. Conventional Agriculture - Skeptoid | http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4166 | May 30 13:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Skeptoid: Critical Analysis of Pop Phenomena (gpodder.net) | http://gpodder.net/podcast/11690 | May 30 13:45 |
| ender2070_33 | nah they might have been born there | May 30 13:45 |
| ender2070_33 | the elite are internationalists | May 30 13:45 |
| ender2070_33 | if they were american they would be paying tax | May 30 13:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Land tax is not a bad idea just because it worked in the 1800s. Otherwise fully agree: VAT+BIG=good idea http://ur1.ca/4b19y /via @glynmoody | May 30 13:45 | |
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| ender2070_33 | we need real solutions, not make the banks richer | May 30 13:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @laurelrusswurm: 2nd installment of #Inconstant Moon #serialization is now online: http://ur1.ca/4b10b #mynovel | May 30 13:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Done with uni work for today, I think. Now to sort out LO stuff for tonight. | May 30 13:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh greetz from sunny bavaria. Munich at 25-28° C, blue sky :-) | May 30 13:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @syntax @davidmn Hmm. How can anybody object to wind/water power on aesthetic grounds, though? Turbines are *awesome*. :D | May 30 13:52 | |
| ender2070_33 | whoops | May 30 13:52 |
| ender2070_33 | EE = 33 | May 30 13:52 |
| ender2070_33 | RS = LOL in Portugese (risos) | May 30 13:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh I prefer The SUN aint gonna shine anymore ;-) | May 30 13:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 30/5/2011: Linux 3.0 is Coming http://is.gd/iliNgR #techrights | May 30 13:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxtpJrhAh94 -- the little kid at 3:50 makes me smile every time! That an Kevin trying to catch the Taka... :D | May 30 13:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] First release candidate of Linux 3.0 available http://bit.ly/kCuyOR #linux | May 30 13:57 | |
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| ender2070_33 | sad to see the kernel being hyped like a product | May 30 13:58 |
| ender2070_33 | Linux 3.0 check it out | May 30 13:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] The London chicks in the audience aren't bad either, of course. :D #LondonCalling | May 30 13:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @lxoliva Thank you :D | May 30 13:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !LO ♺ @sixgun: We'll do another Linux Outlaws live recording tonight at 18:00 UTC. Be there! http://sixgun.org/live (note: new IRC channel!) | May 30 14:00 | |
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| ender2070_33 | 'fair distribution of wealth' | May 30 14:01 |
| ender2070_33 | I read that somewhere.... | May 30 14:01 |
| asdfas2wefw | New Apple Trojan Means Mac Hunting Season Is Open | May 30 14:02 |
| asdfas2wefw | http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/11/mac_trojan | May 30 14:02 |
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| asdfas2wefw | 2007 | May 30 14:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @clacke Land tax is not a bad idea just because it worked in the 1800s. Otherwise fully agree: VAT+BIG=good idea http://ur1.ca/4b19y ... | May 30 14:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] /me watching bear grylls eat different kinds of insects. not really a nice sight, but hey, it is Discovery... you learn stuff. *phew* | May 30 14:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody The Access Copyright Backlash: Writers Union of #Canada Calls for Collective Licensing Reform - http://bit.ly/l4EZEI getti ... | May 30 14:08 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] /me watching bear grylls eat different kinds of insects. not really a nice sight, but hey, it is Discovery... you learn stuff. *phew* | May 30 14:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody The Access Copyright Backlash: Writers Union of #Canada Calls for Collective Licensing Reform - http://bit.ly/l4EZEI getti ... | May 30 14:08 | |
| ender2070_33 | carbon cards | May 30 14:09 |
| ender2070_33 | yay | May 30 14:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @mrspuck: I HATE PERL ... it has to suffer a slow and painful death ... #fb | May 30 14:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oracle v. Google - Google decides to pack some heat http://outl.ws/1j | May 30 14:12 | |
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| ender2070_33 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51iAilbjy8o&feature=related | May 30 14:17 |
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| ender2070_33 | look up the Canadian 'greenbelt' project. Already happening here | May 30 14:21 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Man I love the Ballad of Jesse James. <3 | May 30 14:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I am really disappointed that @rms even thought of speaking at Israeli venues. At the least it shows political insensitivity. | May 30 14:25 | |
| asdfas2wefw | You can avoid the politics but the politics won't avoid you. | May 30 14:28 |
| ender2070_33 | they'll ignore you either way | May 30 14:30 |
| ender2070_33 | unless you have a briefcase of cash | May 30 14:30 |
| ender2070_33 | brb | May 30 14:32 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellog2/@kernellog2] RT @honlinenews: First release candidate of Linux 3.0 available http://h-online.com/-1252280 #linux #kernel | May 30 14:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] By the way good afternoon !Identiverse :)! | May 30 14:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Fedora 15 Released http://lxnews.org/2011/05/30/fedora-15-released/ | May 30 14:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] New report highlights open technology best practices in the military http://red.ht/kgm4YS #opensource #DOD | May 30 14:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] #Nerd Scores: http://identi.ca/conversation/72456008 !identiverse | May 30 14:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Linux Mint 11 Released http://lxnews.org/2011/05/30/linux-mint-11-released/ | May 30 14:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] OK, !miners server is payed for another month. | May 30 14:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oh noes! My stomach is rumbling! This must be EHEC! I'm as good as dead!! | May 30 14:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Wer einem Dritten seine Kontodaten und auch noch eine TAN gibt, verdient so behandelt zu werden IMHO. http://ur1.ca/4b1mp | May 30 14:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] !Mageia @greedoo: http://identi.ca/notice/74787231 | May 30 14:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Florentin Garnier (greedoo)'s status on Saturday, 28-May-11 17:08:55 UTC - Identi.ca: An idea for the future of !mageia : 3 versions mageia server (24 month + 6), mageia stable (12 + 3month) and mageia rolling (daily snapshot) | May 30 14:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] !Mageia RD @michaelsog: 2 días me separan de Mageia 1 xD | May 30 15:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "There's bodies floatin' on Canal and the levees gone to Hell... Martha, get me my sixteen gauge and some dry shells" | May 30 15:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Yongzh’s Emulator Apps removed form !Google's !Android market - no reason given so far goo.gl/9oB9q | May 30 15:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Eric Hobsbawm will state his case that free markets have reached their extreme limits at the Hay festival. #economics !capitalism | May 30 15:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] "Sie sollten nur dann geben Sie Ihr Passwort niemandem Deutsche Bank, einschließlich Deutsche Bank Mitarbeiter." #JaNeeSchonKlar #Phishing | May 30 15:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Is !tinap going for a monthly release? | May 30 15:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: #NVIDIA demo’s “Project Kal-El” quad-core processor. Meet !Android’s next must-have spec http://goo.gl/Wt80K | May 30 15:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @ubuntutwo: EXTRA: Participation in !lo IRC channel increases 500% due to namespace collision with American firearms club | May 30 15:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Longtime Comin' -- such a great song. So much pain and hope! "I ain't gonna fuck it up this time" | May 30 15:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Making an early tea. This carbonara recipe is nutritionally similar to washing down pasta with hand fulls of lard. #food | May 30 15:25 | |
| sebsebseb | Hi _Goblin | May 30 15:29 |
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| ender_33 | whoops was hanging out in ##techrights | May 30 15:31 |
| ender_33 | lol | May 30 15:31 |
| sebsebseb | ender_33: oh | May 30 15:33 |
| sebsebseb | ender_33: well uhmm http://identi.ca/conversation/72456008 | May 30 15:33 |
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| *sebsebseb Isn't much of a nerd it seems: http://identi.ca/conversation/72456008 | May 30 15:33 | |
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| ender_33 | eh? | May 30 15:34 |
| ender_33 | link to nothing? | May 30 15:34 |
| sebsebseb | http://identi.ca/conversation/72456008 | May 30 15:35 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Aurora 6 is here http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/05/aurora-6-is-here/ | May 30 15:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] R» @satipera: carbonara recipe is nutritionally similar to washing down pasta with hand fulls of lard. #food | May 30 15:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] aoliva@livre:~$ ♻ @f4bs: f4bs@pagu:~$ ♻ @__ruda__: Abra um terminal e cole o que o seu prompt de usuário diz, o meu é Snowflake:~ ruda$ | May 30 15:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] GrokLaw • #Oracle v. !Google - Google decides to pack some heat http://ping.fm/SudKG | May 30 15:42 | |
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| oiaohm | Now that is a code name | May 30 15:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Linus: "So I'm just going all alpha-male, and just renumbering it." http://ping.fm/D9Vqr | May 30 15:43 | |
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| MinceR | :D | May 30 15:45 |
| MinceR | i like the previous one | May 30 15:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] New #CyanogenMod Features Improved Permissions Control by @fabsh http://ping.fm/DrEpO | May 30 15:47 | |
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| ender_33 | http://www.nerdtests.com/images/badge/nt2/54fa33c97707ee00.png | May 30 15:49 |
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| ender_33 | lol | May 30 15:50 |
| ender_33 | sebsebseb | May 30 15:50 |
| ender_33 | says i'm a nerd king | May 30 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | I'm trying to figure out what WHQL actually means besides charging money to sign drivers that can go on to crash Windows anyway | May 30 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | why does this determine when AMD releases Catalyst? :P | May 30 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | (this affects the Linux release date because AMD won't release it separate from Windows) | May 30 15:52 |
| koolhead17 | hey all | May 30 15:52 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: there are required code vetting. | May 30 15:52 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: for windows driver signning. | May 30 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | making sure the DRM works is probably the biggest concern | May 30 15:53 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: but you can guess it not that good of quality by the drivers that pass. | May 30 15:53 |
| ender_33 | DaemonFC - it does improve driver quality, remember windows 98 | May 30 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | not crashing the system probably rates a distant second | May 30 15:53 |
| ender_33 | snzeezing would give you a BSOD | May 30 15:53 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: really not by much. | May 30 15:53 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: I can still get drivers signed that will BSOD the system. | May 30 15:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] I love make! | May 30 15:53 | |
| oiaohm | ender_33: or worse. | May 30 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | That's not because of bad drivers, that's because Windows 98 sucked from top to bottom | May 30 15:54 |
| ender_33 | oiaohm - terrible hardware then | May 30 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not sure drivers played a huge role in that | May 30 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Windows 98 crash issue was its core design. | May 30 15:54 |
| ender_33 | there were many things that made win98 bad | May 30 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Windows NT at the time did not crash as much as Windows 98. ender_33 | May 30 15:54 |
| ender_33 | including its use of DOS drivers | May 30 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Windows 98 on dos drivers was quite stable. | May 30 15:55 |
| ender_33 | NT/2000 were good | May 30 15:55 |
| oiaohm | The issue was drivers code for NT loaded in Windows 98. | May 30 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 98 supported WDM drivers, and I installed all WDM WHQL signed drivers once on Windows 98 just to see if that actually helped anything | May 30 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | it didn't seem to make any difference at all | May 30 15:55 |
| ender_33 | it pissed me off that consumers had to use win95 and 98 while businesses and the elite got NT | May 30 15:55 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: No. | May 30 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Microsoft's official recommendation was to avoid old VXD drivers | May 30 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | and use WDM when possible | May 30 15:56 |
| oiaohm | I still have businesses who have dos software in the time of 98 because dos software worked. | May 30 15:56 |
| oiaohm | Yes and I still have to maintain the machines to run the dos software | May 30 15:56 |
| oiaohm | VXD drivers were a MS mangled form of OS/2 drivers. | May 30 15:57 |
| oiaohm | Yes they did not work. | May 30 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I can see the need for getting the drivers under control though. There's no quality control for their Linux driver at all and it does all kinds of horrible things that Microsoft would never let it do to Windows | May 30 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | but what I mean is, I doubt WHQL actually makes drivers less buggy, I suspect it's more about signing fees and making sure the DRM works | May 30 15:58 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Main line Linux kernel drivers have quite a few restrictions on what is permited. | May 30 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but for GPUs nobody uses those | May 30 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | the first thing they do is install ablob so their 3d is 8 times faster | May 30 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, really | May 30 15:59 |
| oiaohm | Even GPU stay out of a lot of core structs. | May 30 15:59 |
| oiaohm | under Linux | May 30 15:59 |
| oiaohm | Reason Linux kernel has no question about completely changing them. | May 30 15:59 |
| oiaohm | And saying sucker. | May 30 15:59 |
| oiaohm | for using them. | May 30 15:59 |
| oiaohm | Lot of GPU drivers under windows do lots of eviles. | May 30 15:59 |
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| DaemonFC | kernel mode setting made things slower, a lot slower | May 30 15:59 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: depends on card. | May 30 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | there was a comparison between the old UMS and the new KMS code on Radeons I was looking at on Phoronix and it kind of backed up my gut feeling | May 30 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Intel with kernel mode setting is the faster they have ever been. | May 30 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | that performance dropped about a third to half on a lot of stuff | May 30 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Lot of lack of optimisation. | May 30 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | I know FGLRX basically uses its own UMS | May 30 16:00 |
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| oiaohm | Really a hybred of UMS and KMS is ideal. | May 30 16:01 |
| oiaohm | Ie KMS to stop UMS stomping on framebuffers and other bad things. | May 30 16:01 |
| oiaohm | UMS advantage is not having to kernel mode for an allocation. | May 30 16:02 |
| oiaohm | UMS disadvantage is the means to overwrite what someone else was using. | May 30 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | bypassing the kernel and programming the hardware from userspace obviously brings on a lot of problems | May 30 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | but it's so much faster it seems | May 30 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Really its allocation control. | May 30 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Ie recycling what you have already been allocated. | May 30 16:03 |
| oiaohm | And not going to the kernel and asking for more can give quite massive speed boosts. | May 30 16:03 |
| oiaohm | yes its the good old garbage collection problem. DaemonFC | May 30 16:04 |
| oiaohm | UMS vs KMS shows a garbage collection and reuse issue in KMS. | May 30 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | it seems the kernel video card drivers are meant to be stable and secure and they're not fast | May 30 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | and the blobs are fast, but have security issues and crash a lot more | May 30 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | it makes a recommendation difficult | May 30 16:06 |
| oiaohm | Intel has started optimising allocations on a per applciation base inside KMS | May 30 16:06 |
| oiaohm | Result is intel drivers are starting to run faster on Linux than they do on windows. DaemonFC | May 30 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | AMD has only put limited resources into the free driver | May 30 16:07 |
| oiaohm | AMD is restricted legally. | May 30 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not entirely sure why it's even there | May 30 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, from their perspective | May 30 16:07 |
| oiaohm | AMD cannot allow their past developers of the old binary drivers to work on the open source drivers. | May 30 16:08 |
| oiaohm | Or they might taint it. | May 30 16:08 |
| oiaohm | with patent covered stuff that should not have been used. | May 30 16:08 |
| oiaohm | So AMD is stuck in a nastly location. | May 30 16:08 |
| oiaohm | They need the open source drivers | May 30 16:08 |
| oiaohm | And they need to have the closed source drivers work now. | May 30 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | because of licensed crap that ATI didn't implement themselves but had under NDA from someone else | May 30 16:08 |
| oiaohm | Yet they cannot share staff between them. | May 30 16:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @crosbie If truth is inviolable then it cannot be waived. Moral rights cannot be waived. A privilege such as #Copyright can be waived ... | May 30 16:08 | |
| DaemonFC | or because of the NDA with Microsoft over DRM | May 30 16:08 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Worse | May 30 16:09 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: some stuff ATI used they did not even have licenses to use. | May 30 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | so why is it still in FGLRX? | May 30 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | or do you mean the actual hardware infringes? | May 30 16:09 |
| oiaohm | Because removing it FGLRX will no long function. | May 30 16:09 |
| oiaohm | Its some of the core parts that allow it to do opengl 3.x+ | May 30 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | what specific stuff? | May 30 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | we're talking about copypasting someone's source code? | May 30 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | or just not getting a patent license for stuff? | May 30 16:10 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: hello mate, I was afk | May 30 16:10 |
| oiaohm | In some cases yes. From a patent. DaemonFC | May 30 16:10 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: due to AMD good standing a lot of the patent holders are letting AMD off. | May 30 16:11 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Of course AMD is not happy about it. | May 30 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | well, you'd have to try to taint the free driver right? | May 30 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | just don't implement the stuff you're not allowed to | May 30 16:11 |
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| oiaohm | AMD is trying not to taint the free driver. | May 30 16:12 |
| oiaohm | Its basically clean room engnering of thier own drivers. | May 30 16:12 |
| oiaohm | Not a fast process | May 30 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | obviously | May 30 16:12 |
| ender_33 | oiaohm anyone using DOS when it was replaced was 1) dumb or 2) required legacy crap | May 30 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | still, they seem to care more about keeping FGLRX around as a zombie | May 30 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | it probably costs them very little since most of the FGLRX blob is just the same driver code they use on Windows | May 30 16:13 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: AMD has job openings that they cannot fill for staff to work on open source driver. | May 30 16:13 |
| ender_33 | 10:54 < DaemonFC> but what I mean is, I doubt WHQL actually makes drivers less buggy, I suspect it's more about signing fees and making sure the DRM works | May 30 16:13 |
| ender_33 | +1 | May 30 16:13 |
| oiaohm | So far every good person to apply has been highered by AMD DaemonFC | May 30 16:14 |
| oiaohm | and is now paid full time to work on the open source driver. | May 30 16:14 |
| oiaohm | Basically AMD has many problems. | May 30 16:14 |
| oiaohm | One is cannot get staff. | May 30 16:14 |
| oiaohm | Yes the bugger of ATI letting thier programmers get tainted. | May 30 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | well, they have legacy problems due to ATI's patent infringement and stuffing OpenGL with tainted crap like float textures and never having any free/open source projects and barely keeping their own half-broken Linux driver hobbling along | May 30 16:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[demuxer/@demuxer] #EEUU critica al DECAM por ineficiente control de armas. !Guatemala http://rod.gs/Dci !wikileaks | May 30 16:15 | |
| oiaohm | And of course the closed source driver coders are working their ass off. | May 30 16:15 |
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| DaemonFC | ATI was a disaster when AMD got it and it kind of still is, just not as big a one | May 30 16:15 |
| oiaohm | Note float textures ATI was not licensed to use. | May 30 16:16 |
| oiaohm | Yes ATI the insane moron adding a feature to opengl they legally were not ment to be using. | May 30 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | Well, it is better than the old ATI | May 30 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | "What do you mean you want documentation? We have a Linux driver for you right over here. Of course composite is broke, re-sizing windows is painful, and it crashes X or the kernel like you were back on Windows 98. But, oh well, sucks to be you..." | May 30 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 30 16:19 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: You have to give AMD that. The closed source driver has had to come up to equal quality to the windows one. | May 30 16:22 |
| oiaohm | where able. | May 30 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | I think some free software is tripping over FGLRX on purpose now | May 30 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | to make it seem more broken than it is | May 30 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, what is going on with Firefox and GNOME Shell? | May 30 16:24 |
| oiaohm | Really no. | May 30 16:24 |
| oiaohm | opengl ES 2.0 offical test suite that should work perfectly on a opengl 4.1 driver | May 30 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | Compiz and KWin don't provoke FGLRX, Chrome with full OpenGL compositing doesn't garble the screen like Firefox does | May 30 16:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @NeelieKroesEU: De Standaard - Audiokrant voor slechtzienden via internet beschikbaar http://t.co/EN4JMbv via @AddToAny | May 30 16:25 | |
| DaemonFC | so it leads me to think this is gratuitous | May 30 16:25 |
| oiaohm | Goes splat on FGLRX drivers | May 30 16:25 |
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| oiaohm | yet works on mesa | May 30 16:25 |
| oiaohm | Now this is pure wrong. | May 30 16:25 |
| oiaohm | Basically firefox jack up is justified. | May 30 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | I have to wonder if this is deliberate | May 30 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | why is Chrome not affected? | May 30 16:26 |
| oiaohm | Note I was refering to offically test from kronos. | May 30 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | why do Compiz and KWin work? | May 30 16:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[danebod/@danebod] Heute 19:30 BI gegen !Fracking Gaststätte Fränzer, #Werne http://bit.ly/iw4rhP !Piratennrw !umwelt | May 30 16:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 189 million downloads on 2011-05-30 15:22 UTC | May 30 16:27 | |
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| oiaohm | KWIn on opengl ES 2.0 backend does not work. | May 30 16:27 |
| oiaohm | Infact it drops back to opengl 1.1 on FGLRX automatically. | May 30 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | Are Firefox and GNOME Shell just trying to hit FGLRX bugs or are they really doing it unintentionally? | May 30 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | WHy do they need to do things in a way that breaks FGLRX? | May 30 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | Do they need to? | May 30 16:27 |
| oiaohm | Firefox and Gnome are not acting special for FGLRX | May 30 16:28 |
| oiaohm | They just ask for what FGLRX advertising itself as. | May 30 16:28 |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say its not. | May 30 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | so FGLRX is advertising things it can't properly do, and is treated as such | May 30 16:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !Bonn is so beautiful in summer http://ur1.ca/4b27i | May 30 16:28 | |
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| DaemonFC | and some software just happens to know FGLRX is busted and full of lies | May 30 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | and works around it | May 30 16:29 |
| oiaohm | Yep | May 30 16:29 |
| oiaohm | That is the true state of the Union. | May 30 16:29 |
| oiaohm | Its not open source going out of it way. | May 30 16:29 |
| ender_33 | I wonder why nvidia doesn't produce broken binary drivers | May 30 16:30 |
| ender_33 | as much as ATI does | May 30 16:30 |
| oiaohm | If it was open source going out of its way. khronos tests would work. | May 30 16:30 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: Nvidia runs the khronos tests. | May 30 16:30 |
| ender_33 | of course they do | May 30 16:30 |
| ender_33 | they hire devs with a clue | May 30 16:30 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: and if something fails fixes it until the khronos test works. | May 30 16:30 |
| oiaohm | Of course that does not mean bugs don't get through. | May 30 16:30 |
| ender_33 | sure | May 30 16:30 |
| oiaohm | Really FGLRX is a lot closer to passing khronos than it ever has been. | May 30 16:31 |
| oiaohm | Even MS closed source drivers for AMD and ATI video cards opengl is a lot closer to passing as well. | May 30 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | I notice Catalyst 11.5 almost works with Firefox + OpenGL composite | May 30 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | there's still annoying bugs though | May 30 16:32 |
| oiaohm | At least they are now improving. | May 30 16:32 |
| MinceR | iirc actually nvidia did break binary drivers, for Optimus | May 30 16:34 |
| MinceR | things like keeping both GPUs running and only really using the integrated low-power one are common | May 30 16:34 |
| MinceR | or so i've heard | May 30 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Optimus reeks of bullet point engineering | May 30 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | it's one of those things that nobody does right and would be kind of nice if it worked anywhere | May 30 16:36 |
| oiaohm | Optimus is Nvidia attempt to move to more like the way embed to video cards. | May 30 16:37 |
| oiaohm | IP from all over the place. | May 30 16:37 |
| ender_33 | yet I still plan to buy ATI | May 30 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The Nvidia binary can actually hot switch, but has to restart X, so you lose all your open work. The open source one switches on the fly but keeps the Nvidia GPU running and consuming power while you use the slow crappy Intel one | May 30 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | What's the point? None right now, but they may sort it out. (Nvidia binary won't, the Nouveau driver may) | May 30 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | restarting X to switch is unacceptable | May 30 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | it renders the feature worthless | May 30 16:38 |
| ender_33 | yeah it is | May 30 16:38 |
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| ender_33 | I doubt I would buy one of those devices anyway | May 30 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | The only way Optimus works right is on Windows | May 30 16:39 |
| oiaohm | Optimus to work we are most likely waiting on the work to support embed IP. | May 30 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | not just Windows, you have to have Windows 7 | May 30 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | and some very recent Nvidia drivers | May 30 16:39 |
| oiaohm | Big problem why the Nvidia gpu cannot be switched off. | May 30 16:39 |
| oiaohm | Is that data in it memory banks can be lost. | May 30 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | Windows NT has always had its own version of KMS, it's something video drivers have always had to deal with | May 30 16:40 |
| ender_33 | oiaohm = they don't even know how to throttle it or do any power management | May 30 16:40 |
| oiaohm | And the lower levels of X11 don't have a system for handling that. | May 30 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | KMS is only new if you're using Linux apparently | May 30 16:40 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: Optimus is not designed to be throttled | May 30 16:40 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: its a on or off device. | May 30 16:40 |
| MinceR | winblows NT has kernel-mode GUI :> | May 30 16:40 |
| ender_33 | oiaohm - talking generally of nvidia cards and nouveau | May 30 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Hand-optimized by Ballmer himself | May 30 16:41 |
| MinceR | lol | May 30 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | Written in Char# | May 30 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | *Chair# | May 30 16:41 |
| MinceR | :> | May 30 16:41 |
| ender_33 | LOL | May 30 16:41 |
| oiaohm | Really windows is ahead with multi card support. | May 30 16:41 |
| ender_33 | I heard F# actually stands for Fuck | May 30 16:41 |
| oiaohm | Because MS supported mpeg2 accelerators and the like. | May 30 16:41 |
| oiaohm | in PCI slots. | May 30 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | it is, but I'm not using Windows just for that | May 30 16:41 |
| oiaohm | When Linux did not. | May 30 16:42 |
| oiaohm | Yes Linux still as a few more graphical design bugs to kill. | May 30 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | ender_33: I heard F# is actually the brown noise | May 30 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | it's a trap! don't do it! | May 30 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 30 16:42 |
| ender_33 | Does linux support a security mechanism where you can have it only execute binaries that are on a white list - using hash or certifications | May 30 16:42 |
| ender_33 | ? | May 30 16:42 |
| ender_33 | certificates | May 30 16:42 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: brown note. | May 30 16:43 |
| ender_33 | that's another thing I think was missing | May 30 16:43 |
| MinceR | brown noise is something else. | May 30 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | ender_33: The only thing I ever used security restrictions for on Windows was to suppress the "buy me" pop up ads from Avira Personal Edition | May 30 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 30 16:43 |
| MinceR | ender_33: iirc SELinux can do something like that | May 30 16:43 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: can activate only signed binaries if you wish. | May 30 16:44 |
| oiaohm | Part of TPM system ender_33 | May 30 16:44 |
| ender_33 | oiaohm - good stuff | May 30 16:44 |
| ender_33 | selinux too or no? | May 30 16:44 |
| ender_33 | mincer just mentioned it | May 30 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | Avira is the only antivirus engine I've come across that doesn't sink your system like a brick | May 30 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | all antivirus apps are heavy, some or worse than others | May 30 16:45 |
| ender_33 | DaemonFC - I actually use MSE | May 30 16:45 |
| oiaohm | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/tutorials/l-lockdown2/ Ibm only wrote up how in 2007 ender_33 | May 30 16:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Industrial-strength Linux lockdown, Part 2: Executing only signed binaries .::. Size~: 61.07 KB | May 30 16:45 |
| ender_33 | I suspect MS might now a lot about removing malware by now | May 30 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | I tried installing that on my stepdad's system and it went crazy and said his XP was "counterfeit" | May 30 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | so that didn't last long | May 30 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 30 16:45 |
| ender_33 | oh was it? | May 30 16:46 |
| ender_33 | that's the catch, only works if you own a windows license | May 30 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | well, I downloaded and ran the "WGA" verification thingy | May 30 16:46 |
| ender_33 | luckily for me, intel and microsoft were just giving them away with processors as part of Retail Edge | May 30 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | and it said Windows was licensed | May 30 16:47 |
| ender_33 | was it actually licensed? | May 30 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | hell if I care | May 30 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 16:47 |
| ender_33 | its smarter than the WGA check | May 30 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | slap some other free antivirus on there that doesn't bitch | May 30 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | heh | May 30 16:47 |
| ender_33 | well i'd worry if hes not getting updates | May 30 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | he is | May 30 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | he just wasn't installing them | May 30 16:48 |
| ender_33 | sounds like a noob | May 30 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | I set it to download and install every day without asking | May 30 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, he was using IE | May 30 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | I disabled IE | May 30 16:48 |
| ender_33 | yeah for sure | May 30 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | and put in Firefox 4 with adblock plus, and I subscribed him to all Fanboy lists and Malware Domains | May 30 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 30 16:48 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: Really selinux is a different thing to signed binaries. | May 30 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | and I dug out his ancient mummified Office XP | May 30 16:49 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: remember Linux binary signing is in the hands of the system admin. | May 30 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | and replaced it with LibreOffice | May 30 16:49 |
| ender_33 | oiaohm - true, I was just asking. | May 30 16:49 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: and unlike windows Linux binary signing when activated is required for everything with a executable bit. | May 30 16:49 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: this includes scripts. | May 30 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | sewing some seeds | May 30 16:49 |
| ender_33 | I know selinux is good but i'm nowhere near fluent with it. in my life it does everything itself | May 30 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | maybe something will click | May 30 16:50 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: and exe's to run in wine. | May 30 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | he remarked about how Firefox and LibreOffice are so much better | May 30 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 16:50 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: basically no signature no go. | May 30 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | told him he should probably get rid of Windows too | May 30 16:50 |
| ender_33 | thats good stuff | May 30 16:50 |
| ender_33 | :) | May 30 16:50 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: Linux signing is kinda on sterios compared to the windows version. | May 30 16:50 |
| ender_33 | well the windows crap is weak to begin with | May 30 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | most Microsoft stuff is inferior to the competition | May 30 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | there's only ever been a few things from them that were actually new and novel | May 30 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | there's a Firefox extension I use that lets it understand Web Slices | May 30 16:53 |
| ender_33 | they usually buy stuff | May 30 16:53 |
| ender_33 | then find a way to optimize it for their stuff, and slow it down for the rest | May 30 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Are there black people in Hungaristan, or does Microsoft Photoshop their heads out of ads there to be more culturally sensitive? :) | May 30 16:55 |
| MinceR | there are but i don't know if m$ manipulated their ads here racially | May 30 16:55 |
| oiaohm | Really its not just black people they delete. | May 30 16:56 |
| ender_33 | weird | May 30 16:56 |
| oiaohm | Lot of cases they cut and paste local staff into presetup pictures. | May 30 16:56 |
| ender_33 | I see plenty of black people in microsoft ads, and iirc they were accused of adding them to photos | May 30 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | They'd photoshop the gays out too but it's harder to spot us. | May 30 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 30 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | you know, without the pink triangle and all | May 30 16:56 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: adding and removing of all races MS has done. | May 30 16:56 |
| ender_33 | DaemonFC - and pictures won't capture the gay-lisp | May 30 16:57 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: the ones with the black man with his black hand left in picture with white face is kind a dead give away. | May 30 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | you know the Nazis murdered over 50,000 gays and lesbians in the holocaust? | May 30 16:57 |
| oiaohm | Ie dark black hand with a white face kinda don't work. | May 30 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | most people don't know that because all they learn about are the Jews | May 30 16:57 |
| oiaohm | Also there are cases of reverse. | May 30 16:57 |
| ender_33 | DaemonFC - godwin's law | May 30 16:57 |
| oiaohm | Black man with a pure white persons hand. | May 30 16:57 |
| oiaohm | done by MS as well. | May 30 16:58 |
| oiaohm | Basically MS photoshoppers are not exactly 100 percent compentent. | May 30 16:58 |
| ender_33 | DaemonFC - the USSR killed millions, encyclopedia britannica esitmates up to 9 million just in Ukraine | May 30 16:58 |
| oiaohm | There are others that are white for white and you can see the skin tone does not match. ender_33 | May 30 16:58 |
| ender_33 | estimates* | May 30 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Chinese guy with a black guy's head | May 30 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | fill more quotas that way | May 30 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | is he a Satanist too? | May 30 16:59 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Yep that was classic. | May 30 16:59 |
| ender_33 | Mao Zenong killed a lot too, he was given hero treatment in the press as well | May 30 16:59 |
| ender_33 | I think it's rather sick to have a Mao Zedong statute in a democratic country like Canada | May 30 16:59 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: each time you can see a good looking picture from a different region. | May 30 16:59 |
| ender_33 | statue* | May 30 16:59 |
| oiaohm | Photoshopped with the staff of that region. | May 30 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | ender_33: And be grateful you can express opinions like that without the CSIS thought police after you | May 30 17:00 |
| oiaohm | Saves studio time to take new pictures | May 30 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 30 17:00 |
| ender_33 | DaemonFC - Roy makes it easy for them | May 30 17:00 |
| ender_33 | daily irc logs | May 30 17:00 |
| oiaohm | Really one I have not seen yet is a tri breed from MS. | May 30 17:00 |
| oiaohm | ie hands from two different people and head from another. | May 30 17:01 |
| ender_33 | oiaohm - the canadian ads have all races | May 30 17:01 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: Look closer. | May 30 17:01 |
| ender_33 | oiaohm - we include indians and chinese ppl | May 30 17:01 |
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| oiaohm | Some from MS are half half stuff ups. | May 30 17:01 |
| ender_33 | My Microsoft Certified IT Pro Exam 70-622 has an indian guy on it, not a white guy | May 30 17:02 |
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| ender_33 | very multicultural of them | May 30 17:02 |
| ender_33 | or, thats the support staff you normally encounter with Bell Canada and Rogers ;) | May 30 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | is that the "Oh what the hell, my taxes pay Microsoft for this class" class? | May 30 17:03 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: check his hands | May 30 17:03 |
| ender_33 | yeah | May 30 17:03 |
| ender_33 | they dont show them | May 30 17:03 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: its the normal MS give away. | May 30 17:03 |
| oiaohm | MS is getting smarter with photos | May 30 17:03 |
| ender_33 | just his upper torso and his face | May 30 17:03 |
| oiaohm | Don't use photos with people hands in them. | May 30 17:04 |
| ender_33 | arms cut off | May 30 17:04 |
| oiaohm | Exactly. | May 30 17:04 |
| ender_33 | he also looks happy | May 30 17:04 |
| oiaohm | You cannot tell if its his upper torso | May 30 17:04 |
| ender_33 | LOL | May 30 17:04 |
| oiaohm | or a upper torso with a face stuck on. | May 30 17:04 |
| ender_33 | yeah | May 30 17:04 |
| ender_33 | surprised they didnt photoshop his stubble | May 30 17:05 |
| oiaohm | Other than the fact if you see many of the same upper torso with different face. | May 30 17:05 |
| ender_33 | techies dont shave | May 30 17:05 |
| ender_33 | thats probably why | May 30 17:05 |
| oiaohm | Leave the stubble in less likely for a person to look for marks of fake. | May 30 17:05 |
| oiaohm | Yes Its a true fact. | May 30 17:05 |
| ender_33 | oiaohm - the study guide was black and white with the same guy | May 30 17:05 |
| oiaohm | You do a fake photo don't do it clean shaved. | May 30 17:05 |
| ender_33 | easier to hide the editing | May 30 17:05 |
| oiaohm | No just recycle the photo | May 30 17:06 |
| oiaohm | cheaper. | May 30 17:06 |
| oiaohm | I don't get it myself. | May 30 17:06 |
| oiaohm | If a person is not clean shaved in a photo people don't look for fake. | May 30 17:07 |
| oiaohm | If a person is perfectly shaved people are more likely to spot fake. | May 30 17:07 |
| ender_33 | yeah because its obvious | May 30 17:08 |
| ender_33 | people have facial marks | May 30 17:08 |
| ender_33 | they are more evident the better cameras get | May 30 17:09 |
| ender_33 | my friend was bragging about his HDTV and porn on it | May 30 17:09 |
| ender_33 | "you can see the pimples on the bitches ass" | May 30 17:09 |
| oiaohm | I was meaning people who are natrually clean shaved. | May 30 17:09 |
| ender_33 | im like TMI!! | May 30 17:09 |
| oiaohm | Not fixed up. | May 30 17:09 |
| oiaohm | If you use their face on another body people are more likely to spot it. | May 30 17:09 |
| ender_33 | true | May 30 17:10 |
| oiaohm | Its one of those oddities. | May 30 17:10 |
| oiaohm | I don't know why it is yet. | May 30 17:10 |
| ender_33 | have you looked at them for subliminal effects? | May 30 17:10 |
| oiaohm | I have my suspects. | May 30 17:10 |
| oiaohm | One is that skin tone is better processed by human brain clean shaved. | May 30 17:11 |
| oiaohm | Problem is proven what the issue is. | May 30 17:11 |
| oiaohm | It could be subliminal | May 30 17:11 |
| oiaohm | Could be optical | May 30 17:11 |
| oiaohm | ie its something. | May 30 17:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Linaro: Now a Year Old, the Linux Effort Begins to Deliver http://bit.ly/mR0Wva #linux #opensource | May 30 17:12 | |
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| ender_33 | some will try to dissuade you against thinking subliminal effects work | May 30 17:12 |
| ender_33 | my high school had a course on it | May 30 17:12 |
| ender_33 | we had homework assignments to bring in random magazine ads and show subliminal effects | May 30 17:13 |
| ender_33 | usually little sexual shapes hidden in the image | May 30 17:13 |
| oiaohm | Really not all subliminal effects do work. | May 30 17:13 |
| ender_33 | they work on about 80% of peoeple | May 30 17:14 |
| oiaohm | Simple reason is overload. | May 30 17:14 |
| ender_33 | and not if you aren't really paying attention | May 30 17:14 |
| ender_33 | also if you're aware of them they dont work | May 30 17:14 |
| oiaohm | Also no. | May 30 17:14 |
| oiaohm | Issue is particular forms of subliminal are that far over used. | May 30 17:15 |
| oiaohm | That they no longer work. | May 30 17:15 |
| ender_33 | over use could be a problem | May 30 17:15 |
| oiaohm | The sub mind starts disreguarding them. | May 30 17:15 |
| ender_33 | I doubt that's the case in practice | May 30 17:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Governo alemão anuncia fim das centrais nucleares em 2022 - http://ur1.ca/4b2hb | May 30 17:15 | |
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| oiaohm | Its a case in practice | May 30 17:15 |
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| ender_33 | even repetition can be subliminal | May 30 17:15 |
| ender_33 | how often do you see the same commercial during a 30 minute show | May 30 17:15 |
| oiaohm | subliminal test examples from 80 years ago. | May 30 17:16 |
| oiaohm | that use to work. | May 30 17:16 |
| oiaohm | if a person is over the age of 12 today | May 30 17:16 |
| ender_33 | I used to think Tide was the best detergent | May 30 17:16 |
| oiaohm | They will not work. | May 30 17:16 |
| ender_33 | simply because I saw them the most on TV | May 30 17:16 |
| oiaohm | the common subliminal today. | May 30 17:16 |
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| oiaohm | Is playing half an addvertisment. | May 30 17:17 |
| oiaohm | So causing your brain to play the rest. | May 30 17:17 |
| ender_33 | product placement and behavior placement | May 30 17:17 |
| ender_33 | bahavior placement is new | May 30 17:17 |
| ender_33 | NBC started doing that one | May 30 17:17 |
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| oiaohm | If you had Tide and other detergents using the same stunts. | May 30 17:17 |
| ender_33 | getting actors to behave in certain ways they hope the public will copy | May 30 17:18 |
| oiaohm | The result is the stunts fail. | May 30 17:18 |
| oiaohm | And you build resistance. | May 30 17:18 |
| oiaohm | submind resistance. | May 30 17:18 |
| oiaohm | And all other ads using that method also fail. | May 30 17:18 |
| ender_33 | most are instantly hypnotizable | May 30 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | Dianetics? | May 30 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 17:18 |
| ender_33 | thats for fighting Xenu | May 30 17:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] I am not a leftist, but today I am happy that Giuliano Pisapia (a lawyer with common friends) is the new Major of !Milano | May 30 17:18 | |
| DaemonFC | ender_33: I am your XENU, you shall have no other XENU before me. | May 30 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 30 17:19 |
| ender_33 | yet, my cat is XENU | May 30 17:19 |
| oiaohm | Brain does not like confliting messages basically. ender_33 | May 30 17:19 |
| oiaohm | Even with hypnozing a person. | May 30 17:19 |
| ender_33 | oiaohm - what is double think then | May 30 17:19 |
| ender_33 | why does that work so well | May 30 17:19 |
| oiaohm | if you give confliting messages the it will fail. | May 30 17:20 |
| ender_33 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink | May 30 17:20 |
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| oiaohm | double think does not really exist. | May 30 17:21 |
| ender_33 | LOL | May 30 17:22 |
| ender_33 | don't make me laugh | May 30 17:22 |
| oiaohm | Multi context does. | May 30 17:22 |
| oiaohm | I know this from beating lie detectors. | May 30 17:22 |
| oiaohm | Trained in a virtual world for my answers. | May 30 17:23 |
| oiaohm | That way I was not lieing. | May 30 17:23 |
| oiaohm | Issue was I was answering from the wrong context | May 30 17:23 |
| ender_33 | I can give you an example | May 30 17:23 |
| ender_33 | the justice system | May 30 17:23 |
| ender_33 | there is no justice | May 30 17:23 |
| oiaohm | That is not a confliting statements. | May 30 17:24 |
| ender_33 | it doesn't really have to be a statement | May 30 17:25 |
| oiaohm | Just because their is a justice system does not mean its a fair justice system. | May 30 17:25 |
| ender_33 | it just has to be two opposing ideas | May 30 17:25 |
| ender_33 | in your mind at the same time | May 30 17:25 |
| ender_33 | the war on terror | May 30 17:25 |
| oiaohm | Really you will find the human mind does not like two opposing ideas. | May 30 17:25 |
| ender_33 | oiaohm - it has to pick one, usually the more reinforced one | May 30 17:26 |
| ender_33 | thats where social engineering plays a role | May 30 17:26 |
| ender_33 | peer pressure | May 30 17:26 |
| oiaohm | At first yes. | May 30 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2195282&cid=36280090 | May 30 17:26 |
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| DaemonFC | "His bills probably aren't too big anyway." | May 30 17:26 |
| oiaohm | Did you not at one point turn against your peers ender_33 | May 30 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | All that money saved on shaving cream, soap, and deodorant | May 30 17:27 |
| ender_33 | oiaohm - I questioned everything in school | May 30 17:27 |
| ender_33 | got put on ritalin | May 30 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | ender_33: I did too, put it between my teeth and my lower gum | May 30 17:27 |
| oiaohm | Even so peer pressure only works so longe. | May 30 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | and spit it back out later | May 30 17:27 |
| oiaohm | The subliminal control systems are foolish. | May 30 17:28 |
| oiaohm | Its short term. | May 30 17:28 |
| ender_33 | DaemonFC - thats what I ended up doing | May 30 17:28 |
| oiaohm | Even with the war on terror those statement the USA goverment used | May 30 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | ender_33: Make too much noise, get put on ritalin. They don't give a shit if you go from all As to all Ds. | May 30 17:28 |
| ender_33 | oiaohm - thats what the media is for | May 30 17:28 |
| oiaohm | Is really what caused a lot of USA people to be questioning it now. | May 30 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | You're not bugging them | May 30 17:28 |
| oiaohm | Basically it works in the direction you want for so long ender_33 | May 30 17:29 |
| oiaohm | then it back fires. | May 30 17:29 |
| ender_33 | thats what the media is for I said | May 30 17:29 |
| oiaohm | Basically short term gain only. | May 30 17:29 |
| ender_33 | everyone believes the news | May 30 17:29 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: really this is the problem. | May 30 17:29 |
| oiaohm | Less and less people are believing just the news. | May 30 17:29 |
| ender_33 | oiaohm - people still think 9/11 wasn't the government | May 30 17:30 |
| ender_33 | oiaohm - people still they can vote and politicans will bend to their will | May 30 17:30 |
| oiaohm | I don't call the CIA the goverment. | May 30 17:30 |
| ender_33 | good :) | May 30 17:30 |
| oiaohm | I call the CIA the worlds largest drug shipping company. | May 30 17:30 |
| ender_33 | IQ | May 30 17:31 |
| oiaohm | And causing a war against affangistan was good for CIA business. | May 30 17:31 |
| ender_33 | it sure was | May 30 17:31 |
| oiaohm | Paid to hunt terrorist. | May 30 17:31 |
| ender_33 | bin laden is dead, and we're still going along with the CFR's goal | May 30 17:32 |
| oiaohm | also better prices for the product they import into the usa. | May 30 17:32 |
| ender_33 | afghanistan has opium | May 30 17:32 |
| oiaohm | Yes lot of the drugs on USA streets enter to fund CIA operations. | May 30 17:32 |
| ender_33 | well poppies | May 30 17:32 |
| oiaohm | And yes a lot of documnetation can trace drug deals to CIA | May 30 17:32 |
| ender_33 | yeah for sure theres tons | May 30 17:33 |
| oiaohm | afghanistan for australia was a good thing to take out. | May 30 17:33 |
| oiaohm | Thinking Australia is one of the largest produces of legal opium | May 30 17:33 |
| oiaohm | for medical products. | May 30 17:33 |
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| ender_33 | china was a good source too | May 30 17:34 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | May 30 17:34 |
| oiaohm | china grows very little opium. | May 30 17:34 |
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| ender_33 | currently I suppose | May 30 17:34 |
| ender_33 | it's why britian took over hong kong, iirc | May 30 17:35 |
| oiaohm | Infact no. | May 30 17:35 |
| ender_33 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars | May 30 17:35 |
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| ender_33 | After the inauguration of the Canton System in 1756, which restricted trade to one port and did not allow foreign entrance to China, the British East India Company faced a trade imbalance in favor of China and invested heavily in opium production to redress the balance. British and United States merchants brought opium from Bengal to the coast of China, where they sold it to Chinese smugglers who distributed the drug in defia | May 30 17:35 |
| ender_33 | In 1839, the refusal by Qing Dynasty authorities to import opium resulted in the First Opium War between China and Britain. Hong Kong Island was occupied by British forces on 20 January 1841 and was initially ceded under the Convention of Chuenpee as part of a ceasefire agreement between Captain Charles Elliot and Governor Qishan, but the agreement was never ratified due to a dispute between high ranking officials in both gov | May 30 17:36 |
| oiaohm | China was trying to stop opium inports. | May 30 17:37 |
| oiaohm | Even destroying there own opium crops at the time. | May 30 17:37 |
| oiaohm | This is the point. | May 30 17:37 |
| ender_33 | ohhh I got it backwards | May 30 17:37 |
| oiaohm | China produces almost no opium | May 30 17:37 |
| oiaohm | Just like china was the first todo a blanket ban against tabacoo | May 30 17:38 |
| oiaohm | If its bad for the population china bans it. | May 30 17:38 |
| ender_33 | If it's bad for the ruling party china bans it. | May 30 17:38 |
| ender_33 | the communist party | May 30 17:38 |
| oiaohm | Even before the current ruling partly. | May 30 17:38 |
| oiaohm | Infact not banning something that is proven to endanger live. | May 30 17:39 |
| ender_33 | then they would have banned communism | May 30 17:39 |
| ender_33 | before Mao | May 30 17:39 |
| oiaohm | Is a case to be taken to court and killed in china. | May 30 17:39 |
| oiaohm | No matter how far up the chain you are. | May 30 17:39 |
| oiaohm | Of course the proff must exist. | May 30 17:39 |
| oiaohm | So there can still be lots of bribes and the like to hide it. | May 30 17:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @reality FynynynyF | May 30 17:40 | |
| oiaohm | Yes doing what is right for the public heath by law in china dates back before communists | May 30 17:40 |
| oiaohm | Its one of their oldest laws still on the books. ender_33 | May 30 17:41 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: goes back to the unbinding of girls feet. | May 30 17:41 |
| ender_33 | oh god, the shuffle feet | May 30 17:41 |
| ender_33 | sad | May 30 17:41 |
| oiaohm | Yes china has never forgot either. | May 30 17:42 |
| oiaohm | Allowing medically bad is bad. | May 30 17:42 |
| oiaohm | So lets say the head of the communist party tried to enforce something that was proven medically bad. | May 30 17:43 |
| oiaohm | Its about the only way he can be put to death. | May 30 17:43 |
| oiaohm | So most likely would not be that stupid. | May 30 17:43 |
| ender_33 | why do they allow abortions | May 30 17:44 |
| ender_33 | it damages the woman | May 30 17:44 |
| oiaohm | That falls under population control. | May 30 17:44 |
| oiaohm | Medically worse is having to die of stavation. ender_33 | May 30 17:45 |
| ender_33 | pop control can be avoided by paying the extra child fee of 25,000 pounds | May 30 17:45 |
| ender_33 | starvation? | May 30 17:45 |
| ender_33 | ha | May 30 17:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Samsung Seemingly Unconcerned Over Apple Lawsuit, Hints Dispute Could Continue to Escalate - Mac Rumors http://ping.fm/2uN2Q | May 30 17:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Why the new ASIO bill must be stopped http://alturl.com/6mjop | May 30 17:45 | |
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| oiaohm | That is what china was looking at. | May 30 17:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Why the new ASIO bill must be stopped | WL Central .::. Size~: 24.51 KB | May 30 17:45 |
| schestowitz | [16:10] <_Goblin> schestowitz: hello mate, I was afk | May 30 17:45 |
| schestowitz | np | May 30 17:45 |
| ender_33 | I doubt that's the case anymore though | May 30 17:45 |
| oiaohm | When it first put up the 1 child policy. ender_33 | May 30 17:45 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: next generation in china will be allowed 2 children. | May 30 17:46 |
| ender_33 | emmigration and importing food from Canada (we have lots of it and room to grow) | May 30 17:46 |
| ender_33 | oiaohm - the way the UN is talking, so will everyone else (as a 2 child limit) | May 30 17:46 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: China does not like importing food. | May 30 17:46 |
| ender_33 | oiaohm - they dont like money leaving their country | May 30 17:47 |
| ender_33 | correct yes | May 30 17:47 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: China if it had its natural prefered state its boaders would be closed. | May 30 17:47 |
| ender_33 | plus they plan to mobilize | May 30 17:47 |
| ender_33 | can't go to war against those who feed you | May 30 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | they're capable of putting their own lead paint in baby formula, thank you | May 30 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 30 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | May 30 17:47 |
| ender_33 | LOL | May 30 17:47 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: few extra deaths no problem. | May 30 17:47 |
| oiaohm | Sooner we can have more children. | May 30 17:48 |
| ender_33 | oiaohm - Kind of like how I'd want Canada | May 30 17:48 |
| ender_33 | Canada is going to fill up with refugees and immigrants as soon as other countries fail, go underwater, run out of food, go to war, etc | May 30 17:48 |
| oiaohm | You have to remember china was possible the first country to send a boat all around the world. | May 30 17:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Memorial day in America. What's it all about? http://alturl.com/c5piu | May 30 17:48 | |
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| oiaohm | Once they had explored as far as they wanted. | May 30 17:49 |
| oiaohm | They burnt all the records of non required information. | May 30 17:49 |
| oiaohm | and closed boarders. | May 30 17:49 |
| oiaohm | and left the world alone. | May 30 17:49 |
| oiaohm | Now if china does that today. | May 30 17:49 |
| ender_33 | I doubt they burnt them | May 30 17:49 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: they did. | May 30 17:49 |
| ender_33 | the records went underground | May 30 17:49 |
| oiaohm | All the sea maps they had at the time. | May 30 17:50 |
| oiaohm | China when it does a 100 percent destruction of something they are systemmatic at it. | May 30 17:50 |
| oiaohm | No hiding location is left unsearched. | May 30 17:50 |
| ender_33 | you didnt watch them do it | May 30 17:50 |
| oiaohm | Only records that left the country still exist. | May 30 17:50 |
| ender_33 | that info was too valuable, I bet it went underground to their masters | May 30 17:50 |
| oiaohm | Really no. | May 30 17:51 |
| ender_33 | it would be a perfect explaination to give to people who expect the info | May 30 17:51 |
| ender_33 | 'we burned it' | May 30 17:51 |
| ender_33 | when you have to make it disappear anyways | May 30 17:51 |
| oiaohm | China is more savage than just that. | May 30 17:51 |
| oiaohm | All people who had access to the information as well still inside china was killed. | May 30 17:51 |
| ender_33 | oiaohm - civs have been given technology and information to explore the world in ancient past and were required to give it back before reoccuring ice ages | May 30 17:51 |
| ender_33 | persians distrubuted people across the world to gather info | May 30 17:52 |
| oiaohm | There are only a frew fragement of the map left and the persians did not get them. | May 30 17:53 |
| ender_33 | marooned on the continents | May 30 17:53 |
| ender_33 | im not saying persians were their masters | May 30 17:53 |
| ender_33 | neanderthallers from underground | May 30 17:53 |
| oiaohm | Most were found in wrecks. ender_33 | May 30 17:53 |
| ender_33 | something you can disregard | May 30 17:53 |
| ender_33 | becuase you wont believe in it | May 30 17:53 |
| oiaohm | china made maps are different. | May 30 17:53 |
| oiaohm | To all other maps. | May 30 17:54 |
| ender_33 | sure | May 30 17:54 |
| oiaohm | Ie they basically have a signature. | May 30 17:54 |
| ender_33 | they burned them, but I suspect they went underground | May 30 17:54 |
| ender_33 | you wouldn't know either way | May 30 17:54 |
| ender_33 | both would have the same result | May 30 17:55 |
| oiaohm | Really the method. | May 30 17:55 |
| oiaohm | They got everyone in one place to compare and make a master set of maps. | May 30 17:55 |
| ender_33 | what about the method | May 30 17:55 |
| oiaohm | Sounding completely above board. | May 30 17:55 |
| oiaohm | Then killed the lot | May 30 17:55 |
| ender_33 | you're saying they didnt make copies before gathering to one place | May 30 17:55 |
| ender_33 | every single chinese person was compliant | May 30 17:56 |
| oiaohm | Part of it was collecting all copies and maps up. | May 30 17:56 |
| ender_33 | you dont see that anywhere today | May 30 17:56 |
| oiaohm | To make a better maps. | May 30 17:56 |
| ender_33 | not every single person listens | May 30 17:56 |
| oiaohm | Yes the few that did not listern did not return to china. | May 30 17:57 |
| oiaohm | That leaves some fragments. | May 30 17:57 |
| oiaohm | Those people never had a complete set. | May 30 17:57 |
| oiaohm | Not enough fragement avoid it to make a complete set. | May 30 17:57 |
| ender_33 | you're saying its impossible for those who controled the master to have not burned it? | May 30 17:57 |
| ender_33 | even though you're reading history written by them | May 30 17:58 |
| ender_33 | you won't consider lies? | May 30 17:58 |
| oiaohm | The history of the distruction is not only reported in the china record. | May 30 17:58 |
| ender_33 | the china record is in words is it not? | May 30 17:58 |
| ender_33 | I don't think they taped the event | May 30 17:58 |
| ender_33 | you don't think people can lie about what they do? | May 30 17:59 |
| oiaohm | You are near by trader | May 30 17:59 |
| oiaohm | you see this. | May 30 17:59 |
| oiaohm | You report this | May 30 17:59 |
| ender_33 | did the trader examine every page | May 30 17:59 |
| oiaohm | Then boarder closes for good. | May 30 17:59 |
| ender_33 | or just see a bon fire | May 30 17:59 |
| ender_33 | I just don't believe what people say | May 30 18:00 |
| oiaohm | The simple fact the fragments that still exist include reference to maps that don't exist any more. | May 30 18:01 |
| ender_33 | yes but you're missing the point | May 30 18:01 |
| oiaohm | That would have existed when the maps were written. | May 30 18:01 |
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| oiaohm | And all linking stops on the same year. ender_33 | May 30 18:01 |
| oiaohm | The year of the reported destruction. | May 30 18:02 |
| oiaohm | The simple fact is many sources line up. | May 30 18:02 |
| ender_33 | I'm suggesting that they just lied about burning the records, and just made sure nobody would ever find them again - by giving them to people underground who haven't been seen by the general public | May 30 18:02 |
| oiaohm | We have seen an equal in our time | May 30 18:03 |
| oiaohm | the cultrual revolution in china. | May 30 18:03 |
| ender_33 | people lie dude | May 30 18:03 |
| oiaohm | China has historically over and over again purged | May 30 18:03 |
| oiaohm | Lot of china weapon makers are gone. | May 30 18:04 |
| ender_33 | why would china admit neanderthallers are real to everyone else? | May 30 18:04 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: there is a thing here. | May 30 18:04 |
| oiaohm | I don't say china does not keep secrets. | May 30 18:04 |
| oiaohm | But they have a side to them that when they don't want something any more | May 30 18:05 |
| oiaohm | they completely and systematically destory it. | May 30 18:05 |
| oiaohm | So when they did not want to go out in the world any more they destroyed all references to it. | May 30 18:05 |
| oiaohm | This is just thier way. ender_33 | May 30 18:05 |
| ender_33 | that's not proof of anything | May 30 18:06 |
| oiaohm | When they wanted to stop producing old weapons and items. | May 30 18:06 |
| ender_33 | that's something you would learn from reading their history | May 30 18:06 |
| oiaohm | They did the same thing. | May 30 18:06 |
| ender_33 | which could be modified any time | May 30 18:06 |
| oiaohm | each culture has believes and methods. | May 30 18:06 |
| oiaohm | One of china is to destroy and start over. | May 30 18:06 |
| ender_33 | history is written by the winners | May 30 18:07 |
| oiaohm | And sometimes the loses | May 30 18:07 |
| ender_33 | almost never | May 30 18:07 |
| ender_33 | the losers don't usually survive | May 30 18:07 |
| oiaohm | When china closed their boards the loses who could no longer trade with china wrote records. | May 30 18:07 |
| ender_33 | that's a modern thing | May 30 18:07 |
| ender_33 | they wrote records about china being closed | May 30 18:08 |
| ender_33 | same with Japan | May 30 18:08 |
| oiaohm | The outposts of china that were cut off. | May 30 18:08 |
| oiaohm | complained that before the board closed that the library of maps was no more. | May 30 18:08 |
| ender_33 | you need to understand the method of neanderthallers | May 30 18:08 |
| ender_33 | they send a group of people out to explore and gather data after each ice age | May 30 18:09 |
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| ender_33 | they make genetic modifications, then the next batch goes out after the ice age is over | May 30 18:09 |
| GoForbes28 | hi all | May 30 18:09 |
| ender_33 | each time right before the ice age, they cull back on technology and info | May 30 18:09 |
| ender_33 | we're constantly finding stuff that shouldn't exist | May 30 18:09 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Behold, the battle of nonsense! | May 30 18:10 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSEwThogkzY&feature=player_embedded | May 30 18:10 |
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| oiaohm | Note the burning I am refering to. Their was no ice age. ender_33 | May 30 18:10 |
| ender_33 | shipwrecks would have map fragments, they couldnt listen to their masters if they sunk | May 30 18:10 |
| GoForbes28 | "@unrealjeff Except that Microsoft does share. They support and promote CentOS and give hackers code to mess with Kinect and the Xbox 360. The company that doesnt share is Apple. No USB or any good ports on their Pads, removed VLC from their appstore, their OS can only run on their hardware unless you do a hackintosh and so on. You guys need to get with the times? and before anyone calls bias I've been running Ubuntu for yea | May 30 18:10 |
| GoForbes28 | dinot1985 7 hours ago" | May 30 18:10 |
| GoForbes28 | "@dinot1985 Please don't express your opinion on something your clearly know nothing about. CUPS was developed by Apple. So every time you print a file on your computer your using code that Apple shared without. They've also shared Webkit, Clang and FreeBSD contributions. I don't for many reasons like Apple, but saying that they don't share and that? MS does is just plain wrong." | May 30 18:10 |
| ender_33 | oiaohm - I could be wrong, im just explaining the neanderthallers | May 30 18:11 |
| ender_33 | im not familiar with china as much | May 30 18:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | AHAHAH | May 30 18:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | AHAHAHAH | May 30 18:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | CUPS | May 30 18:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | DEVELOPED BY APPLE | May 30 18:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | LOLOLOLOL | May 30 18:11 |
| ender_33 | all I know is that everyhting right now is going back to China, Brazil and Russia | May 30 18:11 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: I am familiar with this record. | May 30 18:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | too bad _OSX DIDNT EXIST_ when I started using CUPS | May 30 18:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: is this on identica? | May 30 18:11 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: basically I would like to track what is called the star fleet. | May 30 18:12 |
| ender_33 | 13:07 < Diablo-D3> DEVELOPED BY APPLE | May 30 18:12 |
| ender_33 | 'developed' is the keyword, not invented | May 30 18:12 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: there is a lot of evidence of the fleet all around the world. | May 30 18:12 |
| ender_33 | they do provide code and bug fixes | May 30 18:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender_33: they didnt do shit dude | May 30 18:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | they borrowed it | May 30 18:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, fuck, dinot isnt even a good troll | May 30 18:12 |
| ender_33 | Diablo-D3 - no bug fixes? | May 30 18:12 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: One thing are lucky about is the journals without the maps was left intact. | May 30 18:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, they just caused bugs | May 30 18:12 |
| ender_33 | eww | May 30 18:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only thing they legitimately wrote was the OSX printer UI frontend shit | May 30 18:12 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: so yes the list of missing maps is long. | May 30 18:12 |
| ender_33 | I gave apple more credit | May 30 18:12 |
| ender_33 | lol | May 30 18:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | which does the same shit as gnome's and kde's | May 30 18:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | CUPS existed for like a decade before OSX did | May 30 18:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | they didnt even webkit it like they did to khtml | May 30 18:13 |
| GoForbes28 | diablo-D3: It's from the Youtube video I linked to | May 30 18:13 |
| oiaohm | ender_33: ie reading down a journal refer to X map refer to y map with big china index numbers. | May 30 18:13 |
| ender_33 | 13:08 < oiaohm> ender_33: basically I would like to track what is called the star fleet. | May 30 18:13 |
| ender_33 | that's probably where they got the name | May 30 18:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] These guys smoke cigarettes that don't smell like tobacco. Funny... | May 30 18:13 | |
| GoForbes28 | Engage! | May 30 18:14 |
| ender_33 | starfleet for the federation | May 30 18:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw | May 30 18:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what we need? | May 30 18:14 |
| ender_33 | the federation is just predictive programming for the United Nations | May 30 18:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | a project called starfleet for federated logins | May 30 18:14 |
| GoForbes28 | lol | May 30 18:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | or federated data access | May 30 18:14 |
| ender_33 | LOL | May 30 18:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | just for the horrible pun | May 30 18:14 |
| GoForbes28 | I would settle for a lcars theme | May 30 18:14 |
| GoForbes28 | I saw a good one long ago in an article, then never found it again | May 30 18:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | meh, lcars themes are old hat dude | May 30 18:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | its ugly and causes adhd | May 30 18:15 |
| GoForbes28 | LCARS are old hat :O | May 30 18:15 |
| GoForbes28 | :P | May 30 18:15 |
| ender_33 | lcars sucks | May 30 18:15 |
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| GoForbes28 | you mean in the show itself? | May 30 18:15 |
| ender_33 | yeah | May 30 18:15 |
| GoForbes28 | why? | May 30 18:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | because data can play music with it | May 30 18:16 |
| GoForbes28 | Lifeforms, lallala | May 30 18:16 |
| *Diablo-D3 snickers | May 30 18:16 | |
| GoForbes28 | I dunno, LCARS was pretty cool look | May 30 18:17 |
| GoForbes28 | later designed on a Macintosh... | May 30 18:17 |
| ender_33 | I think that the voice commands and AI were much more functional | May 30 18:17 |
| GoForbes28 | Hey, I think it was pretty effective for the show | May 30 18:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender_33: yeah, except mrs roddenberry is dead now | May 30 18:17 |
| ender_33 | even EFC had an AI that used voice commands | May 30 18:17 |
| GoForbes28 | you have controls with random numbers, so you aren't restrained by set functions | May 30 18:17 |
| ender_33 | I want the AI from EFC | May 30 18:18 |
| GoForbes28 | from a production perspective, very efficient | May 30 18:18 |
| ender_33 | Earth Final Conflict | May 30 18:18 |
| ender_33 | the show was produced by Mrs Roddenberry with Gene's notes | May 30 18:18 |
| ender_33 | Made in Canada | May 30 18:19 |
| ender_33 | very low budget, 5 seasons | May 30 18:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | it wasnt very good | May 30 18:19 |
| ender_33 | I loved it | May 30 18:19 |
| GoForbes28 | Speaking of Canadian sci-fi, I've started watching SG-1 | May 30 18:19 |
| ender_33 | the first two seasons were the best | May 30 18:19 |
| ender_33 | the rest were kind of dumb | May 30 18:19 |
| ender_33 | First Wave was another good one | May 30 18:19 |
| ender_33 | my favorite actually | May 30 18:19 |
| GoForbes28 | Andromeda? | May 30 18:19 |
| ender_33 | first wave was with aliens who looked human, and the hero had to use the book of nostrodamus to fight their plans | May 30 18:20 |
| ender_33 | while they carried out experiments | May 30 18:20 |
| msb | SG-1 was great until the Ori came along. | May 30 18:20 |
| GoForbes28 | Sounds vaguely like "V" | May 30 18:20 |
| ender_33 | not like V | May 30 18:20 |
| msb | First Wave is good! | May 30 18:21 |
| ender_33 | the humans weren't aware except for the hero and a few others | May 30 18:21 |
| msb | Hacker character Crazy Eddie, right? | May 30 18:21 |
| ender_33 | yeah | May 30 18:21 |
| ender_33 | Crazy Eddie :D | May 30 18:21 |
| GoForbes28 | I think I recall the ads for it | May 30 18:21 |
| GoForbes28 | long long ago | May 30 18:21 |
| ender_33 | cell phone rigged to his computer in one episode and he ssh'd into his pc at home | May 30 18:21 |
| ender_33 | :) | May 30 18:22 |
| GoForbes28 | I want to watch more "Burn Notice", but I can't get the schedule down | May 30 18:22 |
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| msb | There haven't been any new ones for months. | May 30 18:22 |
| GoForbes28 | shame, great show | May 30 18:22 |
| GoForbes28 | "On April 15, 2010, the show was renewed for its fifth and sixth seasons.[4]" | May 30 18:23 |
| GoForbes28 | well, it isn't done yet | May 30 18:23 |
| msb | Fox killed Chicago Code. That was my favorite! | May 30 18:23 |
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| GoForbes28 | They also killed Lie To ME | May 30 18:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Five must have !Gnome shell extensions for !Fedora 15 according to Justin Stories http://ping.fm/VFmDE | May 30 18:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Five must have Gnome shell extensions for Fedora 15 « Justin Stories .::. Size~: 49.54 KB | May 30 18:23 |
| GoForbes28 | msb: The ads just were annoying to me. You think you can change... IN CHICAGO? | May 30 18:24 |
| GoForbes28 | ugh | May 30 18:24 |
| msb | It has great characters, and the theme song and sequence is incredible! | May 30 18:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Strammer Max for dinner! With beer! :D | May 30 18:25 | |
| GoForbes28 | I'll take your word with it | May 30 18:25 |
| GoForbes28 | Guess I'm a little tired of crime dramas | May 30 18:25 |
| msb | Actually, of course, in Chicago Rahm Emanuel would just tell the Mossad to assassinate the honest Chief of Police, and that would be the end of it. | May 30 18:27 |
| GoForbes28 | Plot hole! | May 30 18:27 |
| GoForbes28 | lol | May 30 18:27 |
| ender_33 | Heroes is awesome | May 30 18:29 |
| GoForbes28 | I wish there were more web shows with new episodes | May 30 18:29 |
| GoForbes28 | I finished Nirvana the Band the Show | May 30 18:29 |
| GoForbes28 | I want more! | May 30 18:29 |
| GoForbes28 | !google Nirvana the Band the Show | May 30 18:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - nirvana the band the show the website | http://www.nirvanathebandtheshow.com/ | May 30 18:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - YouTube - Nirvana The Band The Show - "Update Day" | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Do3rlJDhObe8 | May 30 18:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Nirvana the Band the Show - Ep. 1 from nirvanatheband | http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/b080d12d61/nirvana-the-band-the-show-ep-1-from-nirvanatheband | May 30 18:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Nirvana the Band the Show the Interview - Torontoist | http://torontoist.com/2008/09/nirvana_the_band_the_show_the_inter.php | May 30 18:29 |
| msb | GoForbes28: The Burn Notice shows are all in, ah, that place, you know. | May 30 18:30 |
| GoForbes28 | Yeah I know | May 30 18:30 |
| GoForbes28 | I may go to that place in the end | May 30 18:31 |
| msb | [Flatfish is watching.] | May 30 18:31 |
| GoForbes28 | That is if the Protect IP act hasn't royally screwed up the Internet by then? | May 30 18:31 |
| ender_33 | lol | May 30 18:31 |
| msb | Get it while the getting's good! | May 30 18:31 |
| ender_33 | Flatfish's name tells you his story | May 30 18:32 |
| ender_33 | without breaking it down | May 30 18:32 |
| msb | Lives on the bottom, eats sh-t. | May 30 18:32 |
| ender_33 | yup | May 30 18:32 |
| ender_33 | hes an obedient little TE | May 30 18:33 |
| GoForbes28 | where is "Flatfish"? | May 30 18:34 |
| msb | comp.os.linux.advocacy | May 30 18:35 |
| GoForbes28 | what is "Flatfish"? | May 30 18:35 |
| GoForbes28 | Please bear with the ignorant :P | May 30 18:35 |
| msb | One of Microsoft's many sociopath propaganda agents in Usenet. | May 30 18:35 |
| msb | And other forums. | May 30 18:35 |
| msb | Posts dozens of anti-Linux messages every day. | May 30 18:36 |
| msb | Several others do the same. | May 30 18:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Verizon Adds More Anti #Tethering Checks In !Android #Gingerbread » Gadgetsteria http://ur1.ca/4b303 | May 30 18:37 | |
| GoForbes28 | Ah | May 30 18:37 |
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| GoForbes28 | Is he even a human? | May 30 18:37 |
| schestowitz | [17:00] <ender_33> DaemonFC - Roy makes it easy for them << only bottom feeder and anonymous slime, who mostly misattribute and take out of context | May 30 18:37 |
| msb | Roy was their prime target when he was posting news there. | May 30 18:37 |
| GoForbes28 | I'm starting to think that a lot of the trolls are just bots | May 30 18:37 |
| msb | Sociopaths aren't really human. The hardware is, the software isn't. | May 30 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | cocktail personality | May 30 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | those are the dangerous ones | May 30 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | ender_33: dent your results | May 30 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | it goes along with borderline personality disorder and/or narcissism | May 30 18:40 |
| GoForbes28 | psychopaths | May 30 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | GoForbes28: They don't really have a true personality of their own, they tend to adapt to what they believe others feel comfortable with | May 30 18:41 |
| schestowitz | [17:23] <ender_33> there is no justice << no absolute justice, there is *relative* justice, and it usually favours the rich from those below them | May 30 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | to the ends of getting what they want from that person | May 30 18:41 |
| GoForbes28 | Daleks! | May 30 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | No personality! It has been EXTERMINATED!!! | May 30 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 30 18:42 |
| schestowitz | [17:27] <DaemonFC> All that money saved on shaving cream, soap, and deodorant << don't diss Stallman using lies. Go to 4chan if you feel incline to do so. | May 30 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Do the nerd tests and dent your results I guess :D http://identi.ca/conversation/72456008 | May 30 18:43 |
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| DaemonFC | heh, now psychiatrists in the US are going to use the DSM but they have to use ICD for billing purposes | May 30 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if they have a DSM to ICD translator or if they'll just guess how the DSM maps to ICD | May 30 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | kind of like how they guess what's wrong with the patient using the DSM as a divining rod now | May 30 18:48 |
| GoForbes28 | ICDXML? | May 30 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | GoForbes28: The ICD is sort of like the US DSM | May 30 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | but "international" and published by the UN | May 30 18:49 |
| *DaemonFC pukes | May 30 18:49 | |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what tools of political oppression they have for us in there | May 30 18:50 |
| GoForbes28 | Diagnosis: If a corporate troll, give clean bill of health | May 30 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | actually, ICD goes further than just psychiatric conditions | May 30 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | it's the entire US medical system that will have to use it | May 30 18:51 |
| ender_33 | sebsebseb - dont use identica anymore | May 30 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | the psychiatric conditions are only one part of it, that will supersede the DSM | May 30 18:51 |
| schestowitz | [18:35] <msb> One of Microsoft's many sociopath propaganda agents in Usenet. << they have an obsession with techbytes now, probably helps publicise it ( _Goblin would agree) | May 30 18:52 |
| ender_33 | 13:34 < schestowitz> [17:00] <ender_33> DaemonFC - Roy makes it easy for them << only bottom feeder and anonymous slime, who mostly misattribute and take out of context | May 30 18:52 |
| ender_33 | refering to big brother | May 30 18:52 |
| GoForbes28 | ender_33: what's wrong with identi.ca? | May 30 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | GoForbes28: A lot of the psychiatric conditions section of ICD-10 seems to be copy pasted from the DSM-IV anyway | May 30 18:52 |
| msb | schestowitz: I think that's how I got here! | May 30 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | so maybe we're exporting US-style psychiatry via the UN instead of importing some | May 30 18:53 |
| schestowitz | [18:51] <ender_33> sebsebseb - dont use identica anymore << can do it with twitter @ at the same time, no toll... less likely to be trolled in identica too unless you troll youself | May 30 18:53 |
| ender_33 | well im not twittering either | May 30 18:53 |
| schestowitz | msb: yes, that too | May 30 18:53 |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: The US forcing themselves to the world? Sounds right. The US wants it's standards to be world standards. Kinda like Microsoft. | May 30 18:53 |
| ender_33 | not until I find out how I was advocating violence | May 30 18:53 |
| schestowitz | And some people from COLA started reading techrights, joined identi.ca and made the FOSS people there stronger | May 30 18:54 |
| GoForbes28 | ender_33: huh? | May 30 18:54 |
| schestowitz | The trolls never evolved platform-wise | May 30 18:54 |
| ender_33 | goforbes28 - hate crime complaint, i've never advocated violence though | May 30 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Flat*** tried stalking, harassing and impersoning me at Digg | May 30 18:54 |
| ender_33 | im not sure what they speak of either | May 30 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | GoForbes28: low sex drive is a mental illness | May 30 18:54 |
| schestowitz | I had 4 accounts of his (at least) teminated from Digg | May 30 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | so is having a high sex drive | May 30 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 18:54 |
| ender_33 | its probably an agent of the nwo or someone who just hates me | May 30 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Anoher account banned in Netscape/Propeller | May 30 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Anothet troll, who uses my face to insult me (like some of the sick ones from Digg), got banned from identica IIRC | May 30 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe it was Dogg | May 30 18:55 |
| schestowitz | *Digg | May 30 18:55 |
| ender_33 | DaemonFC, Goforbes28 - thinking too much is an illness now | May 30 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Bascially, the trolls only get away with it in COLA, becuase it's unmoderated | May 30 18:55 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: it's nice to not send stuff to Twitter :) | May 30 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | you need the state approved level of sex drive and you also need to put rod A into the state approved slot B or you're labeled as a freak under "paraphilias" | May 30 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | ender_33: ^ | May 30 18:56 |
| schestowitz | They never managed to 'grow' out of USENET | May 30 18:56 |
| schestowitz | And they'll die there when the ISPs no longer offer USENET access | May 30 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Our univrsity stopped supplying a USNET server in 2007, citing lack of demand | May 30 18:56 |
| ender_33 | Google Groups provides it | May 30 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I haven't had USENET through an ISP since 2000(?) | May 30 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, what he said | May 30 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 18:57 |
| schestowitz | [BTW, just caught up with IRC] | May 30 18:57 |
| msb | Speaking of Daleks, there is a very funny Doctor Who parody episode called The Curse of Fatal Death, with Rowan Atkinson. | May 30 18:58 |
| schestowitz | had a hectic day... put posts drafts to write at the gym, lost my keychain there... had to search around and get spares after 2 hours making loads of calls | May 30 18:58 |
| schestowitz | So anyway, no posts done today | May 30 18:58 |
| schestowitz | I'll make out for it tomorrow | May 30 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | lmao, next time I go see the psychiatrist and he asks me how my medication is doing, I think I'll do the Dalek impersonation | May 30 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | No sex drive...it has been EXTERMINATED!!!! | May 30 18:58 |
| schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/cYd3h/ | May 30 18:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: Rowan Atkinson - The School Master .::. Size~: 8.51 KB | May 30 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | see if that gets me put on the unit | May 30 18:58 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: on the Protect IP BS, perhaps it is time to consider an backup DNS service? | May 30 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Funny: http://tinyogg.com/watch/GA2Lw/ | May 30 18:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: Rowan Atkinson Live - The devil Toby welcomes you to hell .::. Size~: 8.62 KB | May 30 18:59 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: yeah, already done | May 30 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Or in progress IIRC | May 30 18:59 |
| schestowitz | peer-based DNS | May 30 18:59 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: and an archive or alternative ways of accessing Free software site that may be taken down in the crossfire? | May 30 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Not enough interest/users | May 30 18:59 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: dotp2p? | May 30 19:00 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: maybe you can do an article about it, I am too far behind now | May 30 19:00 |
| schestowitz | a friend might contribute some work to catch up with it | May 30 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | GoForbes28: I used to be against shutting down ICANN and giving it to an international body, then I was thinking maybe that could shield us from corrupt laws like PROTECT IP, then I did some more thinking and figured that it would just mean corrupt international politics instead of corrupt US politics, and maybe better the devil I know | May 30 19:00 |
| GoForbes28 | I'm working right now, will be home by 5 | May 30 19:00 |
| ender_33 | 13:55 < DaemonFC> lmao, next time I go see the psychiatrist and he asks me how my medication is doing, I think I'll do the Dalek impersonation | May 30 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | right? :) yeah | May 30 19:00 |
| ender_33 | why not show him this irc log | May 30 19:00 |
| ender_33 | the funny thing about daemon is that he's a gay gun nut | May 30 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | ok. so? | May 30 19:01 |
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| ender_33 | "bang bang" he says in his lisp | May 30 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | Would you prefer I be 5'5 100 pounds, and setting off fire sprinklers? | May 30 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | PRTOECT IP will be about as effective as the DMCA was | May 30 19:03 |
| GoForbes28 | ender_33: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MichaelGeistsBlog/~3/ebrz-tu1mSc/ | May 30 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | May 30 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | everyone ignores the law and just does it quietly | May 30 19:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Swansea booked their place in the #PremierLeague today, congrats & welcome !football | May 30 19:05 | |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/75179485074427904 | May 30 19:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @FOSSpatents: @glynmoody Torvalds is officially on a collective payroll of overwhelmingly pro-patent companies. | May 30 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | The Indiana Supreme Court ruled that citizens have no right to resist a warrantless police invasion of their homes | May 30 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | one step closer to fascism | May 30 19:06 |
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| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: F**K Florian | May 30 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | I figure this will be appealed federally | May 30 19:07 |
| schestowitz | [19:04] <DaemonFC> everyone ignores the law and just does it quietly << we need a special law fotr you | May 30 19:07 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/75102655705391104 | May 30 19:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @FOSSpatents: Top 5 companies asserting IP against Android are collectively worth $734 billion http://bit.ly/mTfiOI Twitpic: http://twitpic.com/549ns4 | May 30 19:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: FOSS Patents: Top five companies asserting IP against Android have collective market cap of $734 billion .::. Size~: 65.98 KB | May 30 19:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: Top 5 companies asserting IP against Android have collective ... on Twitpic .::. Size~: 13.98 KB | May 30 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | typically the US Supreme Court has upheld knock and announce | May 30 19:07 |
| schestowitz | FUD Daily(r) | May 30 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Linus is the enemy" | May 30 19:08 |
| schestowitz | "Red is a cartel" | May 30 19:08 |
| schestowitz | "Google is a violator" | May 30 19:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | man | May 30 19:08 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft is cooperative" | May 30 19:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what would be hilarious? | May 30 19:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | if someone cloned google | May 30 19:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | and put it behind Tor | May 30 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Scroogle? | May 30 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | Bing used to have a decent image search but they fucked it up | May 30 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Someone could do a parody blog | May 30 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | so I don't even use it for that now | May 30 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Fauxpatents.blogspot.com | May 30 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Author: Onion Redmond | May 30 19:09 |
| schestowitz | FAUX Patents: Top five companies asserting IP against Android have collective shower cap | May 30 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Even mentioning him is doing him a favor | May 30 19:10 |
| schestowitz | I know | May 30 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | it figures into Google's results | May 30 19:10 |
| schestowitz | I was joking | May 30 19:10 |
| schestowitz | I remember when people ran anti-'me' site | May 30 19:10 |
| schestowitz | They only legitimise Boycott Novell | May 30 19:10 |
| GoForbes28 | Boycott Boycott Novell? | May 30 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Then it got renamed to something else, freeishsoftware IIRC | May 30 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Darn, no more advertisement for us :-) | May 30 19:11 |
| GoForbes28 | it still exists | May 30 19:11 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: double negation | May 30 19:11 |
| GoForbes28 | !google boycott boycott novell | May 30 19:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Boycott "Boycott Novell!" | http://boycott-boycottnovell.com/ | May 30 19:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Anti-Mono, Anti-Woman? | http://boycott-boycottnovell.com/index.php/the-news/47-anti-mono-anti-woman | May 30 19:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - The Project | http://boycott-boycottnovell.com/index.php/articles | May 30 19:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Boycott Novell | Techrights | http://techrights.org/category/uncategorized/ | May 30 19:11 |
| schestowitz | !google brandon lozza | May 30 19:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Brandon Lozza (ender2070) on Twitter | http://twitter.com/ender2070 | May 30 19:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Brandon Lozza Interview - Schestowitz.com - schestowitz.com | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2011/05/08/interview-with-brandon-lozza/ | May 30 19:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Free Software "Advocate" Using DMCA for Harassment... | http://boycott-boycottnovell.com/index.php/the-news/97-free-software-qadvocateq-using-dmca-for-harassment | May 30 19:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - User:Ender2070 - FedoraProject | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ender2070 | May 30 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | oh that air conditioner I restored is kicking ass | May 30 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 30 19:12 |
| GoForbes28 | ender_33: You look like a good sword fighter | May 30 19:12 |
| GoForbes28 | lol | May 30 19:12 |
| schestowitz | ender_33: I put that interview on Youtube | May 30 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Both of them actually | May 30 19:12 |
| schestowitz | It'll be webM soon | May 30 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I like to salvage things other people threw out | May 30 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of the time there's really nothing terribly wrong with them | May 30 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | $10 investment brought that $150 air conditioner unit back up and running | May 30 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | and people throw this stuff to the curb | May 30 19:13 |
| schestowitz | The funny thing is that the psychopath running the site tried claiming that I was defaming him, when in fact his own site contains some outright lies about me and others (don't let double-standards get in the way, eh?) | May 30 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | you have a better chance in the UK of winning a libel suit | May 30 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | here it's nearly impossible | May 30 19:14 |
| schestowitz | the governmeny of yours libels people | May 30 19:15 |
| schestowitz | It cannot critimalise it | May 30 19:15 |
| schestowitz | !google castro military tarnsvestite wikipedia | May 30 19:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | No Google results | May 30 19:15 |
| schestowitz | !google castro military transvestite wikipedia | May 30 19:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - LGBT rights in Cuba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Cuba | May 30 19:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - San Francisco Pride - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Pride | May 30 19:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Shinra Electric Power Company - Uncyclopedia, the content-free ... | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Shinra_Electric_Power_Company | May 30 19:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Fidel Castro - News, photos, topics, and quotes | http://www.daylife.com/topic/Fidel_Castro%3F__site%3Ddaylife | May 30 19:15 |
| schestowitz | OK, well it doesn't find incidents where the US government planted lies in Wikipedia | May 30 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | Wikipedia is basically Wikibullshit | May 30 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Seems to be a popular smear | May 30 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's been so corrupted by PR firms and governments | May 30 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Falsely and maliciously claiming someone you disagree with cut off genetalia | May 30 19:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] What is this thing? http://coffee.jezra.net/coffee/20110530 #sip_and_click | May 30 19:17 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: coffee.jezra: a coffee a day photo project | 2011-05-30 .::. Size~: 3.77 KB | May 30 19:17 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: not corrupted | May 30 19:17 |
| schestowitz | shaped | May 30 19:17 |
| schestowitz | to agree with the "official" line | May 30 19:17 |
| GoForbes28 | daemonFC: The Windows 7 page has virtually no criticism whatsoever | May 30 19:17 |
| schestowitz | why would it? | May 30 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Waggener won't let it | May 30 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | right, they branched it out into a separate article | May 30 19:18 |
| schestowitz | it's probably edited by 'fans' and PR people | May 30 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | and then toned down the criticism article to have less bite | May 30 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | common | May 30 19:18 |
| GoForbes28 | exactly, I was corroborating DaemonFC's point | May 30 19:18 |
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| DaemonFC | it's a controlled opposition | May 30 19:18 |
| schestowitz | !google Waggener wikilpedia | May 30 19:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Waggener Edstrom Worldwide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waggener_Edstrom_Worldwide | May 30 19:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Waggener Hall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waggener_Hall | May 30 19:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - File:J.S. and Melinda Waggener Farmstead barn.JPG - Wikipedia, the ... | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:J.S._and_Melinda_Waggener_Farmstead_barn.JPG | May 30 19:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft Agents from Waggener Edstrom Airbrush Wikipedia, Glorify ... | http://techrights.org/2008/12/05/waggener-edstrom-wikipedia/ | May 30 19:19 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: sorry, again missed your message, Ive been working on Byte ME .. | May 30 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Cool. | May 30 19:19 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: hope it doesn't take up too much of your time, techbytes is getting more fun recently | May 30 19:19 |
| schestowitz | And there's Rusty, too | May 30 19:19 |
| schestowitz | TBH, not much news to cover this weekend | May 30 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Linux 3.0 | May 30 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Just a number | May 30 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | Two things to come out of Washington State lately | May 30 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | bad software and shitty overpriced coffee chains | May 30 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 30 19:20 |
| schestowitz | For vain people | May 30 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | A friend invited me to it last week | May 30 19:21 |
| schestowitz | BTW, Amazon too | May 30 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Washington | May 30 19:22 |
| schestowitz | I think it's their home turf | May 30 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Starbucks wants for one 12 ounce cup of coffee what an entire 3 pound can of coffee costs (which makes 150 times as much coffee) | May 30 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Boeing, famously.. | May 30 19:22 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you pay for "the experience" | May 30 19:22 |
| schestowitz | It's PR IMHO | May 30 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | indeed | May 30 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Be it an unpopular view, BUT... | May 30 19:23 |
| schestowitz | My straight dough goes like this: | May 30 19:23 |
| schestowitz | People don't need to "go out" to drink | May 30 19:23 |
| schestowitz | But as part of the pressure for people to consume.. | May 30 19:23 |
| schestowitz | We use PR and examples of other people (shows like Friends) to tell them they are cooler and of higher status if they drink their cup in some place where they are served | May 30 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | don't buy things because you need them | May 30 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | buy things just to buy them! | May 30 19:24 |
| schestowitz | People here would also spend 4 quid a pint just to "be out" | May 30 19:24 |
| schestowitz | And it's not as though they live in lousy homes | May 30 19:24 |
| GoForbes28 | I wouldn't Roy, that's a stereotype! | May 30 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Their homes are better than "out" and they control the music, don't need to use "public" toilet, etc. | May 30 19:24 |
| GoForbes28 | Unless you mean "here" as not the IRC channel | May 30 19:24 |
| GoForbes28 | oops | May 30 19:24 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: I don't quite follow | May 30 19:25 |
| schestowitz | I mean what the response refers to | May 30 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, you go to a bar it's $3 a beer, you buy the same beer at the store and it's $10 for 12 of them | May 30 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Out of sequence | May 30 19:25 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: oh theres plenty of fun to be had with both.....and Ive got some groupies. | May 30 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | so the bar is nearly 3 times the going rate | May 30 19:25 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, some people get upset by these opinions | May 30 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | knock back a few of those and you'll go broke quickly enough | May 30 19:25 |
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| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: "People *here* would also spend 4 quid a pint just to "be out"" | May 30 19:26 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying that phones are like smoking in some sense, they don't wanna listen and they refuse to understand privacy too. And then there's politics/religion | May 30 19:26 |
| GoForbes28 | that's all I mean, roy | May 30 19:26 |
| schestowitz | And don't insult people's indoctrinated-for belief that being "out" is "cool" | May 30 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: What I can't stand are those people with bluetooth headsets | May 30 19:26 |
| ender_33 | 14:12 < DaemonFC> Wikipedia is basically Wikibullshit | May 30 19:26 |
| ender_33 | yup | May 30 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | it looks like they're standing there talking to themselves | May 30 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 19:27 |
| ender_33 | its SOOOOOO controlled now | May 30 19:27 |
| ender_33 | you have people removing and destroying info about Tesla | May 30 19:27 |
| GoForbes28 | ender_33: I think encyclopediadramatica.ch more accurately portrays certain events. :P | May 30 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | Jesus killed the dinosaurs so we could drive SUVs | May 30 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | what part of that don't you get? | May 30 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | look, it's even on Wikipedia! | May 30 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 30 19:27 |
| ender_33 | 14:08 < GoForbes28> ender_33: You look like a good sword fighter <<---- huh? | May 30 19:27 |
| GoForbes28 | ender_33: Telsa the person or the company? | May 30 19:28 |
| schestowitz | !google larry david "to be out" | May 30 19:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Larry David interview!Funny interview with the comedian! | http://www.bestcomedyonline.net/interviews/interview-larry-david-actor-and-comedian | May 30 19:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Woody Allen, Larry David, Evan Rachel Wood & Others Discuss ... | http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2009/06/16/woody_allen_larry_david_evan_rachel_wood | May 30 19:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Larry David Interview for Whatever Works | The Cinema Source | http://www.thecinemasource.com/blog/interviews/larry-david-interview-for-whatever-works/ | May 30 19:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - The Insiders: Woody Allen And Larry David - [ Radar / Film ... | http://www.nylonguysmag.com/radar/film/insiders-woody-allen-and-larry-david/ | May 30 19:28 |
| GoForbes28 | ender_33: I just think that you look like a sword fighter | May 30 19:28 |
| GoForbes28 | I could imagine you fighting with a sword | May 30 19:28 |
| ender_33 | 13:58 < DaemonFC> Would you prefer I be 5'5 100 pounds, and setting off fire sprinklers? | May 30 19:28 |
| schestowitz | [19:28] <GoForbes28> ender_33: Telsa the person or the company? | May 30 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Or the measure | May 30 19:29 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Good point :P | May 30 19:29 |
| ender_33 | 14:03 < TechrightsBot-tr> @FOSSpatents: @glynmoody Torvalds is officially on a collective payroll of overwhelmingly pro-patent companies. | May 30 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Unlike Florian? | May 30 19:29 |
| ender_33 | hes also officially hyping linux with a false major upgrade release | May 30 19:29 |
| schestowitz | all upgrades are like that | May 30 19:30 |
| ender_33 | 14:05 < Diablo-D3> if someone cloned google | May 30 19:30 |
| ender_33 | 14:05 < Diablo-D3> and put it behind Tor | May 30 19:30 |
| schestowitz | So I object to this assertion | May 30 19:30 |
| ender_33 | until it lost sync | May 30 19:30 |
| schestowitz | IE8>9 | May 30 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Vista>Vista7 | May 30 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Vista7>Vista8 | May 30 19:30 |
| GoForbes28 | IE5>IE6 | May 30 19:30 |
| GoForbes28 | 95>98 | May 30 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Mac OS 10..ANYTHING to 10..ANYTHING | May 30 19:30 |
| GoForbes28 | IE3>IE6 | May 30 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz uses IE 9 with FULL HARDWARE ZOMG DIRECTX!!!!!!! | May 30 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Firefox 4.0->5.0 | May 30 19:31 |
| GoForbes28 | 2000>XP | May 30 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Linus actually did not hype Linux | May 30 19:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ill agree there | May 30 19:31 |
| schestowitz | It's well overdue | May 30 19:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | 2000 is the least shitty windows | May 30 19:31 |
| schestowitz | The numbers made it look stagnant | May 30 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Like it was just bugfix releases | May 30 19:31 |
| schestowitz | High version bumps -> that would be CHrome | May 30 19:32 |
| ender_33 | 14:08 < schestowitz> ender_33: I put that interview on Youtube | May 30 19:32 |
| schestowitz | WordPress is also conservative with v. numbers | May 30 19:32 |
| ender_33 | where? | May 30 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Ad apache | May 30 19:32 |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3: http://www.vorck.com | May 30 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | Just 1.x and 2.x for ages | May 30 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw 2.0 kind of sucks to be honest | May 30 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Gives 2.0 a bad reputation | May 30 19:33 |
| GoForbes28 | Offce 97>Present day | May 30 19:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: ooh | May 30 19:33 |
| schestowitz | I was on Groklaw today | May 30 19:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | and lo > any ms office | May 30 19:33 |
| schestowitz | PJ still has good picks | May 30 19:33 |
| schestowitz | But she doesn't cover Linux | May 30 19:33 |
| schestowitz | And she defends Apple, still | May 30 19:33 |
| schestowitz | In the blog it's just mark with short stories a few times a week | May 30 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Not many comments | May 30 19:33 |
| ender_33 | 14:13 < schestowitz> Falsely and maliciously claiming someone you disagree with cut off genetalia | May 30 19:33 |
| ender_33 | there were enough terrible things Castro has done | May 30 19:33 |
| schestowitz | And he dares not say anything that might be out of the ordinary. He can't cause of his job... | May 30 19:34 |
| ender_33 | they don't need to lie | May 30 19:34 |
| schestowitz | ender_33: the lie they put out there is that he castrated himself | May 30 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Some disgusting trolls did the same to me, to defame me | May 30 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | And they cross-posted this to loads of groups I was involved in, not that they would believe the libel, but still.. | May 30 19:35 |
| GoForbes28 | anyone know why it says in the Arch wiki that ReiserFS is good for /var? | May 30 19:35 |
| ender_33 | 14:18 < schestowitz> Boeing, famously.. | May 30 19:35 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @crosbie @marjoleink Albeit biased, I suggest your money would be better spent on a beer for me, than on a new yacht for a Dutch #cop ... | May 30 19:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @mwkn: #MeeGo & #Maemo Weekly News for Monday, 30 May 2011 out now: http://www.mwkn.net/ #n900 | May 30 19:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @qtbynokia: #Qt #Labs Blog - A QML Presentation System - When I was preparing for Qt Developer Days last year, I s... http://ow.ly/1cWR9E | May 30 19:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @qtbynokia: Hot Asus netbook + MeeGo + your Qt apps = win RT @engadget: ASUS brings out extra skinny Eee PC X101... http://engt.co/lZZTtq | May 30 19:35 | |
| ender_33 | Bing, Being, Boing, Beijing, Bang | May 30 19:35 |
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| ender_33 | 14:19 < schestowitz> People don't need to "go out" to drink | May 30 19:36 |
| ender_33 | yes we do | May 30 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | ender_33: 88 for geek test | May 30 19:36 |
| ender_33 | I might not feel like waiting until I am home | May 30 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | we're back to version number wars | May 30 19:36 |
| schestowitz | ender_33: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-L8CKVeXyA | May 30 19:36 |
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| DaemonFC | whoever has the biggest version number wins | May 30 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | ender_33: 64 actsulley | May 30 19:37 |
| schestowitz | actsulley #@$#@? | May 30 19:37 |
| GoForbes28 | Is that Asus' first bout with Meego? | May 30 19:37 |
| GoForbes28 | I know they are using Android with a new tablet but this is the first I have ever heard of Meego being implemented | May 30 19:38 |
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| ender_33 | 14:24 < GoForbes28> ender_33: I just think that you look like a sword fighter | May 30 19:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] The ASUS Eee PC X101 running MeeGo looks REALLY REALLY nice, I want one :) http://is.gd/QrJlE5 any chance to get a sample anyone? | May 30 19:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @qtbynokia: #Qt #Labs Blog - Qt Contributors' Summit update wk 22 - Now that I am back from the MeeGo conference ... http://ow.ly/1cX1z3 | May 30 19:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @qtbynokia: #Qt #Labs Blog - QtWebKit 2.1.1 released - The following post is written by a guest blogger: Ademar de... http://ow.ly/1cX50P | May 30 19:38 | |
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| ender_33 | where do you see my picture? | May 30 19:39 |
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| GoForbes28 | in the techbytes promo page | May 30 19:39 |
| ender_33 | 14:25 < schestowitz> [19:28] <GoForbes28> ender_33: Telsa the person or the company? | May 30 19:39 |
| ender_33 | the person | May 30 19:39 |
| ender_33 | 14:26 < schestowitz> all upgrades are like that | May 30 19:39 |
| GoForbes28 | ender_33: How have they discredited him? | May 30 19:39 |
| ender_33 | software enginnering states major versions will be significantly different | May 30 19:39 |
| ender_33 | they could have done 2.7,2.8.2.9 | May 30 19:40 |
| ender_33 | went to 3.0 for the marketing hype, probably a decision made by PR employees at the linux foundation | May 30 19:40 |
| schestowitz | True! | May 30 19:42 |
| schestowitz | !googleLSB 4.0 | May 30 19:42 |
| schestowitz | !google LSB 4.0 | May 30 19:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - LSB 4.0 Resource Page | Linux Developer Network | http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/lsb/lsb4-resource-page%2523Specification | May 30 19:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - ProjectPlan40 - The Linux Foundation | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/ProjectPlan40 | May 30 19:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - LSB 4.0 Specifications | http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_4.0.0/ | May 30 19:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - LSB 4.0 certifications aim to heal Linux fragmentation - News ... | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Linux-Standard-Base-40-certifications-announced/ | May 30 19:42 |
| schestowitz | While running today I wonder | May 30 19:42 |
| schestowitz | what ever happeend to LSB after Elopcalypse and LiMoFail? | May 30 19:42 |
| schestowitz | No major new releases in ages | May 30 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Just Android <sweet food name> number {ium} | May 30 19:43 |
| ender_33 | 14:36 < GoForbes28> ender_33: How have they discredited him? | May 30 19:43 |
| ender_33 | his wiki article has been censored | May 30 19:43 |
| GoForbes28 | ender_33: What did it say pre-censorship basically? | May 30 19:44 |
| ender_33 | go check, the history is all there | May 30 19:44 |
| ender_33 | check revision history | May 30 19:44 |
| ender_33 | you'll see every invention of his the system doesn't want gone, and be removed sequantially | May 30 19:45 |
| GoForbes28 | who removed it? | May 30 19:45 |
| ender_33 | eddison backrupted him for a reason | May 30 19:45 |
| ender_33 | agent editors | May 30 19:46 |
| GoForbes28 | any specific affiliaiton? | May 30 19:46 |
| ender_33 | unknown | May 30 19:46 |
| ender_33 | there are probably some genuine removals since I doubt a lot of his anti-system inventions didn't get peer reviewed | May 30 19:46 |
| ender_33 | whoops | May 30 19:47 |
| ender_33 | I doubt a lot of his anti system inventions got peer reviewed | May 30 19:47 |
| ender_33 | when eddison got him shut down | May 30 19:47 |
| GoForbes28 | ah | May 30 19:48 |
| GoForbes28 | AMERICA: F**K YA! | May 30 19:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] Santa MIncompetência, Batman! O webform do #MInc para contribuições pra #revisãoLDA só aceita uma por CPF/Nome/e-mail, sem avisar! | May 30 19:48 | |
| GoForbes28 | Was Gates related to Eddison? | May 30 19:50 |
| ender_33 | not sure | May 30 19:50 |
| GoForbes28 | distant cousin perhaps? :P | May 30 19:50 |
| ender_33 | wouldn't surprise me if they had connections | May 30 19:50 |
| GoForbes28 | on a totally different note, do you know why ReiserFS is a "good choice for /var"? | May 30 19:51 |
| ender_33 | it would be a bad choice | May 30 19:51 |
| ender_33 | you stuff would go missing, you'd need a plea bargain to find it again | May 30 19:51 |
| schestowitz | fsack reisrfs | May 30 19:54 |
| GoForbes28 | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners'_Guide | May 30 19:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Beginners' Guide - ArchWiki .::. Size~: 165.67 KB | May 30 19:55 |
| GoForbes28 | "4. ReiserFS (V3)- Hans Reiser's high-performance journaling FS uses a very interesting method of data throughput based on an unconventional and creative algorithm. ReiserFS is touted as very fast, especially when dealing with many small files. ReiserFS is fast at formatting, yet comparatively slow at mounting. Quite mature and stable. ReiserFS (V3) is not actively developed at this time. Generally regarded as a good choice | May 30 19:55 |
| schestowitz | even fsck utils for reiserfs suck | May 30 19:55 |
| GoForbes28 | WTF is the wiki talking about then? | May 30 19:55 |
| ender_33 | its obsolete | May 30 19:56 |
| ender_33 | it was all that stuff when it competed with ext2 and ext3 | May 30 19:56 |
| schestowitz | do you mnow why Hans will be out of jail soon? | May 30 19:56 |
| schestowitz | They lost the file | May 30 19:56 |
| ender_33 | LOL | May 30 19:56 |
| schestowitz | they lost it and said fsck it | May 30 19:56 |
| ender_33 | he won't be out soon | May 30 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Didn't help | May 30 19:56 |
| schestowitz | I had my suse machien crash ages ago | May 30 19:57 |
| GoForbes28 | lol | May 30 19:57 |
| schestowitz | FS error | May 30 19:57 |
| ender_33 | baaahhh thats not a good joke | May 30 19:57 |
| schestowitz | and reiser fs fsck would not help | May 30 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Couldn't mount room | May 30 19:57 |
| GoForbes28 | ah ok, I won't follow that advice ever again | May 30 19:57 |
| schestowitz | *root | May 30 19:57 |
| GoForbes28 | someone should fix that on the wiki | May 30 19:57 |
| schestowitz | It was aftern a hard drash | May 30 19:57 |
| schestowitz | I think electricity outage | May 30 19:57 |
| GoForbes28 | I have the current setup for my test Debian machine | May 30 19:57 |
| GoForbes28 | jfs for / /usr /tmp | May 30 19:58 |
| GoForbes28 | btrfs for /var | May 30 19:58 |
| GoForbes28 | and ext4 for /home | May 30 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | jfs? really? | May 30 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | you're not using OS/2 are you? :) | May 30 19:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: KDE 4.7 – A First Look At Beta 1 http://is.gd/nbyi7v !KDE | May 30 19:59 | |
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| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: No | May 30 20:00 |
| schestowitz | I still have ext2 | May 30 20:00 |
| schestowitz | for a backup partition | May 30 20:00 |
| GoForbes28 | stability? | May 30 20:00 |
| GoForbes28 | old = reliable? | May 30 20:00 |
| schestowitz | I have ext2, ext3, and ext4 on this machine | May 30 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | ext4 is the only one worth thinking about using imo | May 30 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | ext2/3 have always been incredibly inefficient | May 30 20:01 |
| schestowitz | can't reformat in place | May 30 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | I moved to Ext4 when I installed Fedora, but I always used XFS before that | May 30 20:01 |
| GoForbes28 | daemonfc: JFS is very fast no? | May 30 20:01 |
| schestowitz | I also don't want to mess around with partition sizes | May 30 20:01 |
| schestowitz | I'd have to use a live CD for it | May 30 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | GoForbes28: Ext4 and XFS are both incredibly fast on newish Linux kernels | May 30 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | XFS got a huge boost in 2.6.38 and another one in 2.6.39 :) | May 30 20:02 |
| schestowitz | depends what you do | May 30 20:02 |
| schestowitz | if you need lots of IO with disk | May 30 20:03 |
| schestowitz | web brwosing it done over RAM mostly | May 30 20:03 |
| GoForbes28 | so XFS>JFS? | May 30 20:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] pronto, sugestões pra #reformaLDA enviadas. depois de dormir um pouco publicarei http://ur1.ca/4a57t em versão final | May 30 20:03 | |
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| GoForbes28 | so much choice! | May 30 20:05 |
| GoForbes28 | I know from my experience with JFS that it doesn't take sudden restarts very well | May 30 20:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Graphene can polarize light http://ur1.ca/4b3ib at alphagalileo (interesting site) | May 30 20:05 | |
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| GoForbes28 | "/home" was a problem | May 30 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | GoForbes28: Ext4 is pretty good about unexpected crashes and power loss | May 30 20:14 |
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| GoForbes28 | yeah, hence why I set home to use it | May 30 20:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Thanks! There'll be a new one soon! ♺ @diablomarcus: !creepers is awesome. Really enjoyed the episodes | May 30 20:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is seeds with 60 dents! | May 30 20:42 | |
| msb | schestowitz: Less than a week ago the Microslugs in cola were trying to keep people from looking at your website by saying it would give them a virus. | May 30 20:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @mjjzf: Upon my suggestion, an Abiword developer is working on an ePub export plugin. Its awesome with an app to create ePubs directly. | May 30 20:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] See!!!! Not me!!! :D ♺ @mrdenticator: Yesterday top #statustician is seeds with 60 dents! | May 30 20:43 | |
| schestowitz | msb: they are still at this lie? | May 30 20:46 |
| msb | schestowitz: Not that I've noticed. Just about 5 messages in one thread. About when you were having problems with your server. | May 30 20:47 |
| msb | Interesting if Microsoft had someone hack or DoS your server. | May 30 20:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @johnfmoore JohnFMoore: Iceland Ranked World’s Most Peaceful Nation, Somalia Worst; U.S. Improves to 82nd http://bit.ly/mS9b7H http:/ ... | May 30 20:48 | |
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| _Goblin | msb: I would think Microsoft has far larger concerns than hacking a site.....keeping relevant is one....thinking of a way to turn a profit out of skype would be another. | May 30 20:49 |
| ender_33 | 14:54 < GoForbes28> someone should fix that on the wiki | May 30 20:50 |
| ender_33 | go for it | May 30 20:50 |
| ender_33 | 14:54 < GoForbes28> jfs for / /usr /tmp | May 30 20:50 |
| ender_33 | silly | May 30 20:50 |
| msb | I think Microsoft has so much money that they can allocate some to do all kinds of nasty stuff. | May 30 20:51 |
| ender_33 | btrfs for all :) | May 30 20:51 |
| _Goblin | msb: Nah...even if they wanted to it would be far too obvious and the risk involved enormous.....just imagine if it was revealed...... | May 30 20:52 |
| _Goblin | msb: Youre talking about a company that didn't even know the marketplace for its WP7....look how thats floundering ;) you expect them to be able to coordinate or contract out an attack on sites without the risk of exposure? | May 30 20:53 |
| msb | _Goblin: People make that same bogus argument against the 9/11 research, JFK assassination, etc. If it was revealed, they would just deny it. | May 30 20:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] FUCK YEAH ♺ @chemist: whiskey time :D | May 30 20:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wrapping up another !LinuxOutlaws with the ROCKING Houdini Roadshow. This is FUCKING rock! @jonobacon watch out! :D | May 30 20:53 | |
| schestowitz | [20:49] <_Goblin> msb: I would think Microsoft has far larger concerns than hacking a site.....keeping relevant is one....thinking of a way to turn a profit out of skype would be another. | May 30 20:54 |
| GoForbes28 | ender_33: What's your pleasure? | May 30 20:54 |
| GoForbes28 | oh never mind | May 30 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Or harm a competitor's product /profit | May 30 20:54 |
| GoForbes28 | crap I can't read today | May 30 20:54 |
| schestowitz | e.g. removing Skype for android and GNU/Linux | May 30 20:54 |
| _Goblin | msb: I would respectfully ask we not bring in 9/11 or anything else..... | May 30 20:54 |
| GoForbes28 | hey, that's a good incentive not to use Skype! | May 30 20:54 |
| GoForbes28 | Look to the sunny side, always on the sunny side | May 30 20:55 |
| _Goblin | msb: we are talking about software/hardware, not the loss of human life. | May 30 20:55 |
| schestowitz | "They [Microsoft] have the deepest of pockets, unlimited ambition, and they are willing to lose money for years and years just to make sure that you don't make any money, either. And they are mean, REALLY mean." - Cringely | May 30 20:55 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: the two relate sometimes :-) | May 30 20:56 |
| msb | schestowitz: Exactly!!! | May 30 20:56 |
| _Goblin | yeah...... | May 30 20:56 |
| _Goblin | how? | May 30 20:57 |
| _Goblin | how does the loss of life on 9/11 in anyway compare to Microsoft and its blundering about with WP7? | May 30 20:57 |
| ThistleWeb | illuminati death squads hired by the single world govt, sent out with patented MIB laser pens to wipe peoples memories as they go around making history and ensuring stooges are blamed ;P | May 30 20:58 |
| _Goblin | ah | May 30 20:58 |
| _Goblin | So I know the "truth..." only....Ive forgotten it? ;) | May 30 20:58 |
| _Goblin | well..... | May 30 20:58 |
| _Goblin | I don't know about anyone else, but Im convinced. | May 30 20:58 |
| GoForbes28 | your brain knows the truth. *you* do not | May 30 20:59 |
| ThistleWeb | you need a visit from Will Smith, relax, he's picked up the SOS and will be with you shortly | May 30 20:59 |
| _Goblin | right....gotcha | May 30 20:59 |
| MinceR | see the fnord | May 30 20:59 |
| GoForbes28 | anybody drunk here now? | May 30 20:59 |
| _Goblin | I wish I was | May 30 20:59 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | May 30 20:59 |
| GoForbes28 | the atmosphere seems to have transitioned into randomness | May 30 20:59 |
| GoForbes28 | _Goblin: I hope you don't drink Guiness | May 30 21:00 |
| _Goblin | I don't really drink at all......only very rarely | May 30 21:00 |
| msb | Seriously, I know a guy, who I met in a Linux irc channel, who did secret programming for the US govt, and then afterwards suddenly got some kind of brain disease and lost almost all of his memory. It was not a stroke. | May 30 21:00 |
| _Goblin | I think last year I had about 5 pints in total. | May 30 21:00 |
| GoForbes28 | _Goblin: Your liver thanks you | May 30 21:00 |
| _Goblin | msb: one question..... | May 30 21:01 |
| GoForbes28 | _Goblin: Three questions! | May 30 21:01 |
| ThistleWeb | but booze is good for ya, or at least that's what the booze industry says, and why would they mislead? they're an unbiased party ;P | May 30 21:01 |
| _Goblin | msb: What was a secret programmer doing in an irc channel confessing to a stranger? | May 30 21:01 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Can always count on you for witty repartee | May 30 21:02 |
| _Goblin | msb: call me suspicious minded, but his claims seem a little........like.......bull. | May 30 21:02 |
| ThistleWeb | _Goblin: it's a fight club moment, msb IS the secret programmer | May 30 21:02 |
| msb | _Goblin: He told me about this in a phone call. | May 30 21:02 |
| _Goblin | oh | May 30 21:02 |
| _Goblin | why didnt you say | May 30 21:02 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Bu-boom chisssh. | May 30 21:02 |
| msb | _Goblin: I said I _met_ him in irc. | May 30 21:02 |
| *ThistleWeb makes a mental note to believe EVERYTHING said on the internet as absolute truth | May 30 21:02 | |
| _Goblin | so you meet a guy in IRC, he phones you and claims to be a secret programmer......why didn't you say that in the beginning......? - Right...thats me convinced. ;) | May 30 21:03 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Fact | May 30 21:03 |
| _Goblin | moving swiftly on. | May 30 21:03 |
| *ThistleWeb goes to microsoft.com to get the unbiased skinny on linux | May 30 21:03 | |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Gordon Sinclair is an alias and your true name is ThistleWeb | May 30 21:03 |
| _Goblin | Tim goes and sticks his head down the toilet, flushing hard. | May 30 21:03 |
| ThistleWeb | shhh | May 30 21:03 |
| GoForbes28 | Or maybe MSB is the real ThistleWeb, but Thistleweb is the real Gordon Sinclair | May 30 21:04 |
| msb | _Goblin: I only mentioned this other stuff because you said MS wouldn't mess with Roy's server because it wouldn't risk it getting revealed. And that is a bogus analysis. | May 30 21:04 |
| _Goblin | right.... | May 30 21:04 |
| ThistleWeb | the tap dancing spider troupe don't know that, I stiffed them on performance payments before, reinvented myself as my twin brother and resumed control of the troupe | May 30 21:04 |
| _Goblin | Did I tell you, Im actually Agent OSO.....? I'll phone that through if you want. | May 30 21:04 |
| GoForbes28 | Didn't Roy mention Yahoo/Bing searches as a cause for the slowdowns? | May 30 21:05 |
| msb | All kinds of sh-t gets revealed and nobody f-ing cares. | May 30 21:05 |
| _Goblin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS_DmUVjWoE | May 30 21:05 |
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| GoForbes28 | _Goblin: Oh So Obvious? | May 30 21:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #dradio interview mit @slim: Probleme bei #twitter. Will an dezentralen sozialen Netzwerken arbeiten http://ur1.ca/4b3tk | May 30 21:05 | |
| ThistleWeb | msb: yes and a million and one conspiracy theories are alive and well | May 30 21:05 |
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| GoForbes28 | The problem I have with many conspiracy theorists is that they adopt a smug "I have knowledge and therefore am superior" attitude | May 30 21:06 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah | May 30 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | I'm caught up in Portal | May 30 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 30 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | figured I may as well play the first one before trying Portal 2 in Wine | May 30 21:06 |
| GoForbes28 | You would think they would care about spreading the knowledge and convincing you politely, but they don't. | May 30 21:06 |
| ThistleWeb | plenty of situations do have some unexplained or unlikely elements, opening the floodgate to all sorts of conspiracy theorys | May 30 21:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @thp4 Small proof-of-concept hack how to use Python in #QML w/o #PySide http://thp.io/2011/pyotherside/ inspired by @vivainio & @achipa | May 30 21:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] So Twitter's still gradually eating away at its own ecosystem http://ur1.ca/4b3ug | May 30 21:07 | |
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| ThistleWeb | most discredit themselves as any source to be taken seriously by their actions | May 30 21:07 |
| GoForbes28 | Heck, look at the movie 2001, and that was a freaking movie | May 30 21:07 |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: Try setting up local multiplayer for shits and giggles | May 30 21:08 |
| ender_33 | 15:00 < GoForbes28> so XFS>JFS? | May 30 21:08 |
| ender_33 | btrfs | May 30 21:08 |
| ender_33 | or ext4 | May 30 21:08 |
| msb | People found about 6 different things wrong with Obomber's latest "birth certificate", and there were Pakistani newspapers and at least two govt people -- one Clinton's secy of state -- who said Bin Laden had died around the end of 2001. And the US govt just blithely goes along as if both of its claims were true. | May 30 21:08 |
| ender_33 | 15:42 < schestowitz> msb: they are still at this lie? | May 30 21:09 |
| ender_33 | I saw it too | May 30 21:09 |
| ender_33 | they are suggesting you have a Linux virus | May 30 21:09 |
| ThistleWeb | no idea who this obomber is | May 30 21:09 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: New month? | May 30 21:09 |
| ThistleWeb | no idea | May 30 21:09 |
| msb | US president. | May 30 21:09 |
| ThistleWeb | no, that'd be obama | May 30 21:10 |
| msb | Still bombing lots of people. | May 30 21:10 |
| ThistleWeb | if you're incapable of resisting the cheap shot childish name calling, why should we take your claims seriously? | May 30 21:10 |
| ender_33 | 15:50 < _Goblin> msb: Youre talking about a company that didn't even know the... | May 30 21:10 |
| GoForbes28 | Woah woah, Roy uses that is his articles | May 30 21:10 |
| ender_33 | remember HBGary | May 30 21:10 |
| ThistleWeb | by name calling you state your colours to the mast that you will say anything to attack him | May 30 21:10 |
| GoForbes28 | then again, he usually does it against products and company rather than peopel | May 30 21:11 |
| ThistleWeb | regardless of the truth | May 30 21:11 |
| msb | ThistleWeb: The name is very apt. He is a mass murderer just like Bush. | May 30 21:11 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: So you would disagree with Roy's practice? | May 30 21:11 |
| ThistleWeb | GoForbes28: yes, I always have, I still do | May 30 21:11 |
| ThistleWeb | it undermines the rest of the message | May 30 21:11 |
| ThistleWeb | roy knows this, he disagrees | May 30 21:12 |
| ender_33 | 15:54 < ThistleWeb> illuminati death squads hired.... | May 30 21:12 |
| GoForbes28 | OIC | May 30 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdM_Ze_WTNg&feature=related | May 30 21:12 |
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| ender_33 | social engineering is all that's needed | May 30 21:12 |
| ender_33 | you train people to only accept facts from certain sources, ie the lastest updated and authorized-by-government textbooks | May 30 21:12 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: In moderation, I think it can help | May 30 21:13 |
| GoForbes28 | for example, calling it 7 would legitimise the illusion that it is a totally new OS | May 30 21:13 |
| ender_33 | I know Glen Kealey and Arizona Wilder, both of them have been through some tough opposition | May 30 21:13 |
| GoForbes28 | On the other hand, I find that M$ looks stupid in articles | May 30 21:13 |
| ender_33 | currently the government won't even let his wife into the country, they accused her of trying to just move in when she was she was applying for a visa | May 30 21:14 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: So I see your point of view | May 30 21:14 |
| ThistleWeb | GoForbes28: I used to use M$ until I read a comment somewhere about what the impact is, I've not used it since | May 30 21:14 |
| ender_33 | they also got pissed off at the border when she didnt have any weapons. they told her 'whats a single woman like you driving by yourself without a wepaon - wheres your weapon | May 30 21:14 |
| ender_33 | 15:57 < ThistleWeb> but booze is good for ya.... | May 30 21:15 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Was the comment by a troll? | May 30 21:15 |
| ender_33 | aren't there peer reviewed studies that suggest one beer a day is good for you? iirc I saw it on slashdot | May 30 21:15 |
| GoForbes28 | ender_33: I think that applies to wine, not sure about beer | May 30 21:15 |
| GoForbes28 | red wine in particular | May 30 21:15 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: N/M, what is the impact? | May 30 21:16 |
| ender_33 | 16:01 < msb> All kinds of sh-t gets revealed and nobody f-ing cares. | May 30 21:16 |
| ThistleWeb | GoForbes28: no, it was pointing out what I missed, that posts and comments are about reaching out to the new user too, who has no allegience, and seeks some knowledge. By using cheap shot name calling, all you do is say "ignore this comment, it's biased in favour of my lil camp" | May 30 21:16 |
| ender_33 | like the stuff that gets declassified that nobody cares about | May 30 21:16 |
| GoForbes28 | Thistleweb: Ah, I dislike camps but appreciate them from time to time | May 30 21:17 |
| ender_33 | aerial spraying over manitoba and Espanola ontario | May 30 21:17 |
| ender_33 | manitoba was around the 50s | May 30 21:17 |
| GoForbes28 | Thistleweb: A camp can bring power, but it can also isolate | May 30 21:17 |
| ender_33 | espanola was more recently | May 30 21:17 |
| ThistleWeb | no matter how valid your point is, it will be skipped over by the neutral because the use of cheap shot name calling puts the label "from a fanboi" | May 30 21:17 |
| ender_33 | 16:02 < GoForbes28> The problem I have with many conspiracy theorists is that they adopt a smug "I have knowledge and therefore am superior" attitude | May 30 21:17 |
| ender_33 | not at all, its more like pity | May 30 21:17 |
| GoForbes28 | exactly | May 30 21:17 |
| ThistleWeb | the very simple act of resisting the urge to name call, at least gets your comment read | May 30 21:18 |
| GoForbes28 | You have proven my point | May 30 21:18 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: I'm more restrained then I used to be | May 30 21:18 |
| ThistleWeb | it's a difference between being ignored, or being read | May 30 21:18 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Good point | May 30 21:18 |
| ThistleWeb | I don't use cheap shots anymore, I haven;t since I read that | May 30 21:18 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: I'm just saying they have a time and place | May 30 21:18 |
| msb | The MF-er has murdered many thousands of people! | May 30 21:18 |
| ender_33 | 16:06 < ThistleWeb> no, that'd be obama <--- aboma (american snake) | May 30 21:18 |
| ThistleWeb | it doesn't blunt my criticism, it just moves it outside of the fanboi camp, and onto a more mature level | May 30 21:19 |
| ender_33 | 16:07 < ThistleWeb> by name calling you state your colours to the mast that you will say anything to attack him <--- AttachMSFT, MSFLorian, etc | May 30 21:19 |
| GoForbes28 | Thistleweb: I think Vista phone 7 is appropriate, vista phoney 7 is a little bit excessive | May 30 21:19 |
| ender_33 | ;) | May 30 21:19 |
| ThistleWeb | it's why I don't support the FSF campaigns | May 30 21:20 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Why didn't you just call him Florian there? | May 30 21:20 |
| GoForbes28 | Last time I looked, Microsoft Florian wasn't his title | May 30 21:20 |
| ThistleWeb | GoForbes28: scroll up, look who added the comments | May 30 21:20 |
| GoForbes28 | oops | May 30 21:20 |
| GoForbes28 | Again, I can't read today :P | May 30 21:20 |
| GoForbes28 | I can't dance, I can't talk, only thing about me is the way I walk. | May 30 21:21 |
| ThistleWeb | very occasionally I'm drawn into snarky comments where I do fire a cheap shot, but it's VERY rare | May 30 21:21 |
| msb | It was revealed that the entire reason Bush attacked Iraq -- that Iraq was supposedly refining uranium ore -- had totally been fabricated by the Bush administration. Nobody f-ing cared!!! All those hundreds of thousands of people murdered for a lie, and still nobody cares! | May 30 21:21 |
| ThistleWeb | if you seek to influence people in power, in government, in IT procurement, what impression does it give if you cant resist the cheap shits? | May 30 21:22 |
| _Goblin | ender_33: sorry was having a smoke....HBGary? you are comparing a guy with contracts with a government organization to that of the possibility of a site being attacked by Microsoft? | May 30 21:22 |
| ThistleWeb | shots* | May 30 21:22 |
| GoForbes28 | msb: Of course. | May 30 21:22 |
| GoForbes28 | msb: The population tends to be apathetic about most things | May 30 21:22 |
| GoForbes28 | msb: Even Microsoft practices and draconian copyright bills | May 30 21:22 |
| msb | The facts are the same no matter what I call him. Anybody who _thinks_ will look at the facts. Very few people think. | May 30 21:23 |
| ThistleWeb | when they seek to find knowledge about what you're passionate about, they will dismiss you as a biased fanboi, which extends to every claim you make | May 30 21:23 |
| GoForbes28 | Every claim your stake, I'll be watching you. | May 30 21:23 |
| msb | ThistleWeb: Then they are not thinking. | May 30 21:23 |
| _Goblin | I love the argument which goes "If you actually think you will agree with me" | May 30 21:23 |
| ThistleWeb | I see groklaw as a great resource to point politicians to because they don't use cheap shots | May 30 21:23 |
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| ender_33 | 16:18 < _Goblin> ender_33: sorry was having a smoke....HBGary? you are... | May 30 21:24 |
| _Goblin | The moon is made of cheese.....if you actually took the time to think about it, you'd agree. | May 30 21:24 |
| GoForbes28 | _Goblin: Sounds like a 2001 argument. "Only once you realize this is brilliant will you have gotten the film" | May 30 21:24 |
| ThistleWeb | I wouldn't recommend techrights for that reason, even though for the most part it's just as valid | May 30 21:24 |
| msb | _Goblin: If I present important facts, and someone ignores them, then they are not thinking. | May 30 21:24 |
| ender_33 | saying they could have an outside contractor | May 30 21:24 |
| GoForbes28 | maybe I should suggest to Roy to tone it down a bit | May 30 21:24 |
| ender_33 | perhaps not even on the MS payroll itself, but under the table | May 30 21:24 |
| ThistleWeb | GoForbes28: I've tried to explain this to him, he doesn't agree | May 30 21:25 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: That's a shitty attitude | May 30 21:25 |
| ThistleWeb | it's his site | May 30 21:25 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: I know, but I'm willing to try | May 30 21:25 |
| _Goblin | ender_33: and I'm saying the risk to silence one would be so great that it wouldn't be worth exposure.....there are many sites saying the same things about Microsoft.... | May 30 21:25 |
| _Goblin | ender_33: even Microsoft watch seems to find it difficult to stay pro-microsoft | May 30 21:26 |
| ThistleWeb | not my place, it's why I didn't want techbytes to be part of the techrights site when I was on it | May 30 21:26 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Just because you didn't succeed don't mean I can't | May 30 21:26 |
| ender_33 | _Goblin - the best lies are the biggest ones, and the same applies to infiltration and covert conspiracies | May 30 21:26 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Good point | May 30 21:26 |
| ender_33 | im caught up now | May 30 21:27 |
| _Goblin | ender_33: but then the argument can be applied to anything........we have to be realistic... | May 30 21:27 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: On the topic of FSF, are you referring to thing like referring DRM to Digital restrictions management and the like? | May 30 21:27 |
| ThistleWeb | that's why I felt it was important to establish it as a separate show, with 3 people....well, now 2 | May 30 21:27 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: We'll get not-Skype workign for you | May 30 21:27 |
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| GoForbes28 | Even if I have to go to Scotland! | May 30 21:27 |
| ThistleWeb | GoForbes28: I agree with a lot of the aims of the FSF, I agree with the goal of software freedom, I don't agree with the dumbass campaigns they run to try and get peoples attention, it makes them look like idiots | May 30 21:28 |
| ender_33 | _Goblin - anyone with a covert conspiracy would try and hide it so they don't get caught because most of them are nefarious | May 30 21:28 |
| ThistleWeb | GoForbes28: I'm no longer part of techbytes | May 30 21:28 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Anti-DRM campaigns are pointless? | May 30 21:28 |
| ender_33 | perhaps I should use the word collusion | May 30 21:28 |
| ender_33 | instead of conspiracy which is loaded | May 30 21:28 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: That's a shame as always | May 30 21:28 |
| ThistleWeb | GoForbes28: no, the ways the FSF choose to do it are | May 30 21:29 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: If I beg you to come back... | May 30 21:29 |
| ender_33 | _Goblin - what happened to microsoft the last time it was show to be engaged in conspiracy against Netscape? | May 30 21:29 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: What if I send you a Twix bar? | May 30 21:29 |
| _Goblin | ender_33: like I say, we can apply that to everything.......area 51...roswell....lets be realistic, we are talking about a corporation that has so many criticising it, even if it decided to hack a few sites, it wouldn't even scratch the surface... | May 30 21:29 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Or a theme song? | May 30 21:29 |
| ender_33 | _Goblin - MS got sued, but it got dropped with a slap on the wrist | May 30 21:29 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: I need you if I'm a guest on the show | May 30 21:29 |
| ThistleWeb | having people clog up the apple genius bar, yeah that'll work, it'll get the FSF known to the staff and customers.....as a cult of lunatics to be ignored | May 30 21:29 |
| _Goblin | ender_33: Netscape is a little different to a private site.....like I say...perspective | May 30 21:29 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: You. complete. me. | May 30 21:30 |
| GoForbes28 | and the show | May 30 21:30 |
| GoForbes28 | I feel like I'm stuck in the middle whenever I come here | May 30 21:30 |
| ender_33 | _Goblin - Techrights and a few rare sites are the only ones showing that Microsoft is failing - everyone else shows them growing - even a recent news paper I read listed MS #5 in profits | May 30 21:30 |
| GoForbes28 | I'm the type to go "Why can't we be friends" | May 30 21:30 |
| ThistleWeb | GoForbes28: as I said, I'm not part of TechBytes anymore, although I do listen, it's roy and tim you need to speak to about it | May 30 21:30 |
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| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Speak about to bring you back? | May 30 21:31 |
| ender_33 | _Goblin - it also does apply to area51 and other stuff too | May 30 21:31 |
| ender_33 | though for the record I think area51 is experimental aircraft, not aliens | May 30 21:32 |
| _Goblin | ender_33: have you looked at Microsoft-watch? Have you looked at Techdirt? Infact many sites have articles which have news no favourable to Microsoft....infact Roy himself said recently it was becoming more difficult to write about Microsoft because the news just isnt there....I think its obvious they are slipping slowing.... | May 30 21:32 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: I'll miss your awesome accent | May 30 21:32 |
| ender_33 | _Goblin - I said a few rare sites | May 30 21:32 |
| ender_33 | most are MS PR | May 30 21:32 |
| _Goblin | ender_33: please I beg you, don't bring in Area51...I only mentioned it as an example. | May 30 21:32 |
| _Goblin | ender_33: although here's a conspiracy for you....... | May 30 21:33 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Want to start another audio show? | May 30 21:33 |
| ender_33 | im saying its experimental aircraft (area51) | May 30 21:33 |
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| ender_33 | not aliens dont worry | May 30 21:33 |
| ThistleWeb | I am in the process of starting a new show yes | May 30 21:33 |
| ender_33 | msb hasn't really convinced me of aliens yet | May 30 21:33 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Any prearranged hosts? | May 30 21:33 |
| ThistleWeb | I dunno, a look at a Tea Party meeting may be a good place to start for alien life | May 30 21:34 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: That is not degrading? | May 30 21:34 |
| _Goblin | ender_33: why is it that UFO's can travel light years across the galaxy, yet when they get to earth they crash.....and often in the USA? Why if these "aliens" don't want to contact us by landing in a capital city, why do they light themselves up like xmas trees? Can't they turn their main beams off? | May 30 21:34 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Sure, you didn't say teabagger party, but come one | May 30 21:34 |
| ender_33 | I never said aliens _Goblin | May 30 21:34 |
| ender_33 | read what im saying | May 30 21:34 |
| _Goblin | I didn't say you did | May 30 21:34 |
| ender_33 | experimental aircraft | May 30 21:34 |
| _Goblin | except for: <ender_33> _Goblin - it also does apply to area51 and other stuff too | May 30 21:35 |
| ender_33 | if theres any bit of kookiness, its an underground source of technology from neanderthallers | May 30 21:35 |
| GoForbes28 | Thistleweb: Isn't that in itself a cheap shot? | May 30 21:35 |
| ender_33 | which would be a good reason to keep it underground | May 30 21:35 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah I should have added the ;P to suggest it was a joke | May 30 21:35 |
| _Goblin | best place for it. | May 30 21:35 |
| ThistleWeb | my bad | May 30 21:35 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb:Your dominoes have tumbled over like a house of cards. Checkmate. | May 30 21:36 |
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| ThistleWeb | if you say so | May 30 21:36 |
| GoForbes28 | it's a joke :P | May 30 21:36 |
| GoForbes28 | Futurama? | May 30 21:36 |
| ender_33 | _Goblin - you won't be alive to see people not give a shit about when this stuff becomes declassified - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko | May 30 21:36 |
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| GoForbes28 | ender_33: Short attention spans | May 30 21:37 |
| ender_33 | short attention spans is no excuse | May 30 21:37 |
| ender_33 | if it is, you deserve whats coming | May 30 21:37 |
| GoForbes28 | It kinda fits in with John Stewart's suggestion of an apologist culture | May 30 21:37 |
| GoForbes28 | *Jon | May 30 21:37 |
| GoForbes28 | Hey, we have cults worshipping Hitler, are you really surprised? | May 30 21:38 |
| ender_33 | Jon Stewart is a shill imo | May 30 21:38 |
| GoForbes28 | so what | May 30 21:38 |
| GoForbes28 | I'm talking about his suggestion, not about him | May 30 21:38 |
| ender_33 | I don't care for anything he says | May 30 21:38 |
| ender_33 | the only good thing to come from his show was Cobert | May 30 21:39 |
| ThistleWeb | ender_33: why does this not surprise us | May 30 21:39 |
| ender_33 | Stephen Colbert is the best | May 30 21:39 |
| _Goblin | ender_33: lets stop it here. I was dismissing the issue of Microsoft trying to hack sites.....you are now just bringing other news....someones opinions on a PRODUCT or SERVICE are a very different level to that of government agenda's. | May 30 21:39 |
| GoForbes28 | Crap guys, if we can't work together, it's no wonder that the terrorists are winning! | May 30 21:39 |
| GoForbes28 | Everyone chill out! | May 30 21:39 |
| *GoForbes28 tosses a chair | May 30 21:40 | |
| ender_33 | goforbes28 - quick | May 30 21:40 |
| _Goblin | I work with nobody | May 30 21:40 |
| GoForbes28 | _Goblin: Please? | May 30 21:40 |
| ender_33 | goforbes28 - go out and buy a new car and some jewelry, otherwise the terrorists win | May 30 21:40 |
| GoForbes28 | _Goblin: I'll invite you to supper if you come to Canada. | May 30 21:40 |
| ender_33 | _Goblin - good call, better to discuss that stuff in social | May 30 21:40 |
| _Goblin | GoForbes28: been there many times....lovely place | May 30 21:41 |
| GoForbes28 | Wow, this has gone off-topic | May 30 21:41 |
| GoForbes28 | lol | May 30 21:41 |
| GoForbes28 | I think I have a scar on my face. This annoys me! | May 30 21:42 |
| msb | Anybody want to try the great voip app IHU? | May 30 21:42 |
| GoForbes28 | link? | May 30 21:42 |
| GoForbes28 | Well, I have been waiting, waiting here so long... | May 30 21:43 |
| msb | http://ihu.sourceforge.net/ | May 30 21:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: I Hear U (IHU) Project Homepage .::. Size~: 4.5 KB | May 30 21:43 |
| GoForbes28 | Eye-hoo! | May 30 21:43 |
| GoForbes28 | oops | May 30 21:43 |
| GoForbes28 | unable to try right now unfortunately | May 30 21:44 |
| msb | Anyone else? | May 30 21:44 |
| msb | Much easier than any SIP client I've tried. | May 30 21:45 |
| GoForbes28 | Wish we could link all of them togehter | May 30 21:45 |
| ender_33 | msb - BUT BUT BUT THERE ARENT ANY (L)USERS!!!111!11!111 #LINUFAIL | May 30 21:46 |
| GoForbes28 | Does IHU use a standard protocol and implementation? | May 30 21:46 |
| msb | It uses speex. | May 30 21:46 |
| GoForbes28 | why type of accounts? | May 30 21:46 |
| msb | But its own protocol. | May 30 21:46 |
| msb | GoForbes28: Say again? | May 30 21:47 |
| GoForbes28 | like jabber, etc.? | May 30 21:47 |
| msb | You don't use accounts. Just need to know the ip-address of the person you're calling. | May 30 21:47 |
| GoForbes28 | Cause the thing is I need to try PSI+ | May 30 21:47 |
| GoForbes28 | IHU, in my PSI+?! | May 30 21:48 |
| GoForbes28 | wouldn't it just be awesome by some weird coincidence that they happened to be compatible? | May 30 21:49 |
| msb | You can exchange ip-addresses using jabber. | May 30 21:49 |
| GoForbes28 | what does that mean? | May 30 21:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks - The Ireland Cables. From tomorrow in the Irish Independent. http://alturl.com/anst2 | May 30 21:49 | |
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| msb | Manually. Type it in. | May 30 21:49 |
| GoForbes28 | ok, what's your iP? | May 30 21:50 |
| msb | GoForbes28: PM | May 30 21:52 |
| GoForbes28 | k | May 30 21:52 |
| msb | GoForbes28: open/forward port 1793 | May 30 21:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[danebod/@danebod] 31.05., 14 Uhr Landtag !NRW Anhörung !Fracking verhindern, Wasser schützen, Bergrecht ändern! !umwelt !politik !ppd !piratennrw | May 30 21:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @bobobex: Hold the press! I've made a new blog post => www.bobobex.org << my heart is all of a flutter at this unexpected news ;P | May 30 21:54 | |
| GoForbes28 | msb: can you wait about 10 minutes? | May 30 21:54 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, yeah nothing like an easy setup eh? "yeah just type in an IP address, forward ports ct" | May 30 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [21:08] <ender_33> 15:00 < GoForbes28> so XFS>JFS? << to clarify, > in these cases wasn't intended to be G.T. (greater than) but more like an arrow, a la bash | May 30 21:55 |
| msb | GoForbes28: OK | May 30 21:55 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: thanks for the handy tiip | May 30 21:55 |
| ender_33 | schestowitz - I was making the suggestion to use btrfs anyways | May 30 21:56 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Everything was going to hell while you were gone | May 30 21:56 |
| ender_33 | msb - dont think goforbes28 knows what an IP address is | May 30 21:56 |
| GoForbes28 | ender_33: That's nice. | May 30 21:56 |
| GoForbes28 | ender_33: Yes I do | May 30 21:56 |
| msb | It's where you go to urinate. | May 30 21:56 |
| ender_33 | goforbes28 - alternative opinions = hell ? | May 30 21:56 |
| GoForbes28 | ender_33: Joke | May 30 21:57 |
| ender_33 | 16:45 < msb> You can exchange ip-addresses using jabber. | May 30 21:57 |
| ender_33 | 16:45 < GoForbes28> what does that mean? | May 30 21:57 |
| ender_33 | oh ok | May 30 21:57 |
| ender_33 | didnt know it was a joke | May 30 21:57 |
| GoForbes28 | ender_33: oh that, I didn't understand what exchanging ip addresses menat | May 30 21:57 |
| GoForbes28 | meant | May 30 21:57 |
| msb | You do have to exchange ip-addresses to use IHU. | May 30 21:57 |
| schestowitz | [21:13] <GoForbes28> for example, calling it 7 would legitimise the illusion that it is a totally new OS << yes! I don't like the name "Obomber" because it's too absrasive, unlike our humourous name distortions, like hypePad or iBad (FSF) | May 30 21:57 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: At the same time, I think Gordon has a point | May 30 21:58 |
| schestowitz | [21:15] <ender_33> aren't there peer reviewed studies that suggest one beer a day is good for you? iirc I saw it on slashdot << for wine they do this, and it's probably funded somehow by those who sell wine | May 30 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Just being pper reviewed doesn't mean the peers are good or can verify the results | May 30 21:58 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Do we really need to call it "Vista Phoney 7"? Why not just Vista Phone 7? | May 30 21:59 |
| GoForbes28 | I would call it Silverlight OS | May 30 21:59 |
| GoForbes28 | of course, that's a little harder to understand | May 30 21:59 |
| _Goblin | I would call it a waste of money personally | May 30 21:59 |
| schestowitz | There was also an industry saying snoking has no effect on health | May 30 21:59 |
| GoForbes28 | I want to snoke! | May 30 21:59 |
| _Goblin | so do i | May 30 21:59 |
| schestowitz | A similar type of industry now downplays the risks of radiation and man-caused global warning | May 30 21:59 |
| GoForbes28 | this snoking sounds like fun | May 30 22:00 |
| GoForbes28 | so what is it, smoking using your nostrils? | May 30 22:00 |
| _Goblin | damn | May 30 22:00 |
| _Goblin | you got there first | May 30 22:00 |
| ender_33 | 16:55 < schestowitz> Just being pper reviewed doesn't mean the peers are good or can verify the results | May 30 22:00 |
| ender_33 | Good Stuff :) | May 30 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [21:19] <GoForbes28> Thistleweb: I think Vista phone 7 is appropriate, vista phoney 7 is a little bit excessive << it used to be Vista phone 7, for about a month, Then I saw many calling it Phoney 7 | May 30 22:01 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Just becauses the masses are doing it doesn't mean you have to | May 30 22:01 |
| GoForbes28 | _Goblin: Oh, and I wouldn't smoke. Ever. | May 30 22:02 |
| GoForbes28 | Sounds as pleasant as drinking engine oil | May 30 22:03 |
| schestowitz | [21:28] <ender_33> perhaps I should use the word collusion | May 30 22:03 |
| schestowitz | [21:28] <ender_33> instead of conspiracy which is loaded | May 30 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | May 30 22:03 |
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| GoForbes28 | Nooo! | May 30 22:04 |
| GoForbes28 | at least thistleweb is still here | May 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | [21:30] <ender_33> _Goblin - Techrights and a few rare sites are the only ones showing that Microsoft is failing - everyone else shows them growing - even a recent news paper I read listed MS #5 in profits << they are shrinking, also staff wise | May 30 22:04 |
| GoForbes28 | he neglects the Microsoft affiliates, official and unofficial | May 30 22:05 |
| schestowitz | As stocks, Apple and IBM are both worth more than Microsoft now. Microsoft used to be about double that of the rest,at about half a trillion market cap | May 30 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | [21:32] <_Goblin> ender_33: have you looked at Microsoft-watch? Have you looked at Techdirt? Infact many sites have articles which have news no favourable to Microsoft....infact Roy himself said recently it was becoming more difficult to write about Microsoft because the news just isnt there....I think its obvious they are slipping slowing.... << true | May 30 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I stopped around October | May 30 22:06 |
| schestowitz | And tried again in end of December. It was a waste of time. | May 30 22:06 |
| _Goblin | I was pondering this very question today after looking at a weeks worth of RSS feeds.... | May 30 22:07 |
| _Goblin | very little mention of Microsoft | May 30 22:07 |
| _Goblin | certainly no good news that I could see....... | May 30 22:07 |
| schestowitz | I used to write about Windows Mobile, Zune, etc. These are dead now, I still have wiki pages about them. Microsoft hardly created new products, it just lays stuaff off and kills parts of the company like studios | May 30 22:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Der Letzte Bulle -- best German TV series since Schimanski! | May 30 22:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Danni Lowinski isn't bad either! :) | May 30 22:07 | |
| schestowitz | [21:32] <ender_33> _Goblin - I said a few rare sites << on the other hand, Gates' media empire is growing and he does damage to society in other ways; I need to keep abreast of the news about Bill and his mate Nathan, who use patents to kill people's future generations | May 30 22:08 |
| _Goblin | I am very interested though in Google decision to kill the emulators... | May 30 22:09 |
| schestowitz | [21:32] <ender_33> most are MS PR << that too is dying, Apple's PR has probably become comparable with Microsoft's. Even IDG must be receiving almost as much in ad money from them, CNET too | May 30 22:09 |
| ThistleWeb | oh my god, you killed the emulators......you bastard | May 30 22:09 |
| _Goblin | lol | May 30 22:09 |
| _Goblin | I am assuming (since I haven't read into it yet) that they are talking Android | May 30 22:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @tinydoctor !q There is no instance of a nation benefiting from prolonged warfare.~Sun Tzu | May 30 22:11 | |
| schestowitz | [21:56] <ender_33> schestowitz - I was making the suggestion to use btrfs anyways << I was referring to my use of the notation earlier, like Vista>Vista 7 (becomes Vista 7) | May 30 22:12 |
| schestowitz | [22:03] <GoForbes28> Sounds as pleasant as drinking engine oil | May 30 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Don't give Exxon ideas | May 30 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | They could bribe some academics to produce advocacy of putting drops of oil in your Guiness for energy | May 30 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | [22:07] <_Goblin> very little mention of Microsoft | May 30 22:14 |
| schestowitz | 2006 and 2007 were OK years for them, still | May 30 22:14 |
| schestowitz | They launched many products | May 30 22:14 |
| _Goblin | hang on though...... | May 30 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Stuff like Zune, Xbox 360, AZure I think... | May 30 22:14 |
| _Goblin | what about the Kin | May 30 22:15 |
| schestowitz | They were still trying to grow | May 30 22:15 |
| schestowitz | What was the last product they launched? | May 30 22:15 |
| schestowitz | I can't quite keep track and I really ought to | May 30 22:15 |
| _Goblin | that was innovative......the only tech product to last less than two months......now thats innovation. | May 30 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | I also need to review what's in my mail client to see who quit the firm (I lost track, but I can be brought up to date with some keywork filtering on 10k+ nes picks) | May 30 22:15 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: the rule of Microsoft innovation is - Take an old tech and stick "LIVE" on the end of its name. | May 30 22:16 |
| schestowitz | They tried KINECT the same year | May 30 22:16 |
| schestowitz | They even reused (half) the trademark | May 30 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Spent a lot of ad money on it | May 30 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Oh, that Fukinect | May 30 22:17 |
| ThistleWeb | <_Goblin> schestowitz: the rule of Microsoft innovation is - Take an old tech someone else made after customers rejected ours and stick "LIVE" on the end of its name and send out the patent lawyers to ensure it's the only legal option available. << there, fixed that for ya | May 30 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft- you can't live with them, you ca... can you? | May 30 22:19 |
| _Goblin | Well now Kinect is a little different.....they had a massive xbox userbase to flog it to.......these people because of lack of future proofing tech like BluRay were desperate for something to extend the life of their investment......just look at the new 360 firmware upgrade...apparently can get a whole extra gig out of a disk (compression?)....shame that in todays demands for HD video, the lowly DVD is no longer going to cut it, | May 30 22:19 |
| _Goblin | extra gig or not. | May 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: maybe | May 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft is not the ,main problem | May 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | The problem is different | May 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Many FOSS companies got taken over | May 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | And they also disposed of FS | May 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | They now do Open'Core' nonesense | May 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | I wrote a lot about it | May 30 22:20 |
| _Goblin | SkypeLIVE | May 30 22:20 |
| schestowitz | And I can't think of anything new | May 30 22:20 |
| schestowitz | And then there's that Fog Compuring rubbish | May 30 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Worse than proprietary | May 30 22:20 |
| _Goblin | I wonder when it all ends in tears like MS blogging service did, where the Microsoft refugee users will go.....Wordpress can't bail them out on that one. | May 30 22:20 |
| schestowitz | People think that if they move from running some binary on the desktop to some 'cloud' then they are somehow making 'progress' | May 30 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Now they just run the binary somewhere else, their data too | May 30 22:20 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: WP is being nice to Microsoft now | May 30 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Automattic has to | May 30 22:21 |
| schestowitz | See their latest post about the bugfix | May 30 22:21 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: I think the term in charitable | May 30 22:21 |
| schestowitz | They give Microsoft credit with links even | May 30 22:21 |
| schestowitz | MS 'Research' | May 30 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, WP ate their lunch | May 30 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Which is still funny | May 30 22:21 |
| _Goblin | *is | May 30 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is like a client of theirs now, feeding a Cacner-licensed project :-) (GPL) | May 30 22:22 |
| _Goblin | Is it correct that the Skype servers run on Linux? | May 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | what else? | May 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | LOL | May 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Mayeb BSD | May 30 22:22 |
| _Goblin | but......... | May 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | UNIX is expensive | May 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Skype runs on botnets, too | May 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Nodes that run the blob | May 30 22:23 |
| _Goblin | (btw I am being flippant) | May 30 22:23 |
| _Goblin | but....... | May 30 22:23 |
| ThistleWeb | no idea what they run on, it won't have changed yet | May 30 22:23 |
| schestowitz | task #1: 'pull a hotmail' on skype | May 30 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | Took them years to move it off BSD | May 30 22:23 |
| _Goblin | that means that Microsoft is using Linux again to make money...or maybe in the case of Skype not.... | May 30 22:23 |
| schestowitz | I think frebsd | May 30 22:23 |
| schestowitz | *ee | May 30 22:23 |
| ender_33 | hotmail was rumored to run on top of freebsd | May 30 22:23 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: also aquantine or whatever it was called | May 30 22:23 |
| schestowitz | It was Linux-based when they bought it | May 30 22:24 |
| schestowitz | And newsvine | May 30 22:24 |
| ender_33 | it had to run on something non-windows | May 30 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Did Microsoft kill it? | May 30 22:24 |
| schestowitz | !google newsvine linux servers | May 30 22:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - WLScripting.com » Linux uptime | http://www.wlscripting.com/tutorial/21 | May 30 22:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Linux Server: Ten Leading Distros — Datamation.com | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3900791/Linux-Server-Ten-Leading-Distros.htm | May 30 22:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Newsvine - My first Linux experience: Overwhelmingly positive. | http://scooterdman.newsvine.com/_news/2007/02/13/566477-my-first-linux-experience-overwhelmingly-positive | May 30 22:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Tiny Linux Plug Computers: Wall Wart Linux Servers - Choosing the ... | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/7279/1 | May 30 22:24 |
| schestowitz | newsvine vanished from sight after Microsoft had bought it | May 30 22:24 |
| _Goblin | ** For the purposes of this convo, I'm stating that which I already know in an attempt to make the point that yet again its not MS tech that is making it money or that is successful...... | May 30 22:24 |
| ThistleWeb | I did read that most of the customer service stuff at microsoft is on windows servers, like hotmail, but the stuff they need to rely on internally is linux | May 30 22:24 |
| _Goblin | well they know better than anyone - you can't rely on MS products | May 30 22:25 |
| schestowitz | !google microsoft uses linux tachrights | May 30 22:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | No Google results | May 30 22:25 |
| schestowitz | !google microsoft uses linux techrights | May 30 22:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft Uses Linux to 'Succeed' | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/09/01/microsoft-loves-linux-racketeering/ | May 30 22:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - GNU/Linux | Techrights | http://techrights.org/category/gnulinux/ | May 30 22:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Microsoft Still Uses Nokia to Attack Linux | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/05/06/microsoft-payments-for-swpats/ | May 30 22:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - SJVN Opines That Microsoft Uses Sockpuppets Against Linux, Again ... | http://techrights.org/2007/10/18/sjvn-on-acacia/ | May 30 22:25 |
| schestowitz | I can't recall the company's name- the one whose routers run Linux and run Microsoft's headquarters | May 30 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Some ... Aruba? | May 30 22:26 |
| schestowitz | !google aruba networks microsoft linux | May 30 22:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Aruba Labs | http://labs.arubanetworks.com/ | May 30 22:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft is using Linux | http://mediakey.dk/~cc/microsoft-is-using-linux/ | May 30 22:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Microsoft Puts Aruba Networks on The Map - InternetNews.com | http://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.php/3512251/Microsoft-Puts-Aruba-Networks-on-The-Map.htm | May 30 22:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft Wireless Network: Powered by Linux | http://dougal.gunters.org/blog/2005/11/04/microsoft-using-linux%3Freplytocom%3D31989 | May 30 22:26 |
| ender_33 | akamai or something | May 30 22:26 |
| schestowitz | that too | May 30 22:26 |
| _Goblin | whens Ballmer going to f**king kill Google btw? | May 30 22:26 |
| schestowitz | IIRC Aruba did some patent deal or something with Microsoft | May 30 22:26 |
| ender_33 | _Goblin - he wrote the number down on paper and stomped on it | May 30 22:26 |
| ender_33 | ;) | May 30 22:26 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: most likely Google will leap beyond Microsof tin market cap soon | May 30 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Maybe OIracle too | May 30 22:27 |
| _Goblin | I think he has more chance of finding an anti-perspirant that works, than he has of killing any competitor. | May 30 22:27 |
| ender_33 | the real question: does google continue its 'not evil' policy when MSFT and Apple are dust | May 30 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Leaving Microsoft as a #5 tech company, along others like Amazon with Swindle | May 30 22:27 |
| _Goblin | I think there is hope for Microsoft - Under new leadership | May 30 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Not really | May 30 22:28 |
| ender_33 | schestowitz - Amazon was funny, sent 1984 down the memory hole | May 30 22:28 |
| schestowitz | What would they sell? | May 30 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Patent licences? | May 30 22:28 |
| schestowitz | The Commission nees to fine them for blackmail | May 30 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Or the USPTO reopen the antitrust case | May 30 22:28 |
| schestowitz | *USDOJ | May 30 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Over USPTO abuse | May 30 22:28 |
| schestowitz | ender_33: for "unlicensed" copies | May 30 22:29 |
| _Goblin | no....how about Google steps up and offers to financially support any company which is approached by Microsoft and its patent portfolio? | May 30 22:29 |
| schestowitz | In areas where it was legal | May 30 22:29 |
| _Goblin | in the case of Android | May 30 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Not all nations have infinite copyright like in the US, with the ever-exetdnding threshold | May 30 22:29 |
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| ender_33 | later | May 30 22:34 |
| _Goblin | later mate. | May 30 22:39 |
| schestowitz | I need advice | May 30 22:48 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: where do you think we need to put our weight/ | May 30 22:48 |
| schestowitz | I try patents | May 30 22:48 |
| schestowitz | and countering FUD | May 30 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft failures are abundant too, but Microsoft is not the only problem anymore, it is becoming more frail | May 30 22:49 |
| schestowitz | I think TechBytes strikes good balance and deals with legislation too, copyrights for one thing... | May 30 22:49 |
| schestowitz | But we need to define clearly what would be covered and what's left for other. GoForbes thought we should cover "PROTECT IP" | May 30 22:50 |
| schestowitz | *knock knock* | May 30 22:55 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: sorry afk | May 30 22:56 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: or more....away from IRC | May 30 22:56 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: I think the direction should be more towards the vast majority......the average user....patent issues and such like will go over the top of heads for people who merely want a decent computing experience | May 30 22:57 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Ive been playing with some ideas, of more of a chat show.....a little humour, a little sarcasm.....those type of things go down well.... | May 30 22:58 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Ive also spent some time listening to other talk shows and picking up some delivery tips......engage the listener, don't try to teach them.... | May 30 22:59 |
| _Goblin | After all we are both giving our views from honest held belief.....better that belief be delivered in a way that everyone can enjoy. | May 30 22:59 |
| _Goblin | IP is an interesting topic, but in the context of what the vast majority has exposure to...... | May 30 23:01 |
| _Goblin | I'll leave this discussion here though......we have a lurker who likes to misrepresent text and posting to COLA. | May 30 23:02 |
| _Goblin | I won't make it easy for them. | May 30 23:02 |
| _Goblin | And at that, I'm off.....Im running a few ideas....I'll be back tomorrow..... | May 30 23:03 |
| _Goblin | Right good night all.... | May 30 23:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Drunken emailing. I haz done it. :P | May 30 23:07 | |
| schestowitz | [22:56] <_Goblin> schestowitz: or more....away from IRC | May 30 23:08 |
| schestowitz | np | May 30 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | glad you came back, I could use coordination on strategy for sites | May 30 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Oh | May 30 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Gone.. | May 30 23:08 |
| schestowitz | [23:07] <_Goblin> Right good night all.... | May 30 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Ic.. | May 30 23:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Interview with Finnish Demo Artist Visy https://mozillalabs.com/blog/2011/05/interview-with-finnish-demo-artist-visy/ | May 30 23:09 | |
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| schestowitz | ANyone else got tips for how to engage with subjects and readers effectively? | May 30 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw has moved on to focusing on patents, which we had done for almost 5 years in TR/BN | May 30 23:10 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: you know my suggestion | May 30 23:10 |
| schestowitz | FFII sites like zoobab_'s Digital Majority are no longer active | May 30 23:10 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: go ahead, I'm not sure... | May 30 23:10 |
| schestowitz | I know your take on names | May 30 23:10 |
| ThistleWeb | thats what I mean | May 30 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Can change that | May 30 23:11 |
| schestowitz | But the question about focus is different | May 30 23:11 |
| schestowitz | because we write a lot about patents and that too gets a little repetitive | May 30 23:11 |
| ThistleWeb | the focus is irrelevant if you do things which get you ignored as a biased fanboi | May 30 23:11 |
| schestowitz | THe Inquirer does this too | May 30 23:12 |
| ThistleWeb | it won't matter what subjects you focus on, the result will be the same | May 30 23:12 |
| schestowitz | The audience is not what you imagine | May 30 23:12 |
| schestowitz | [22:57] <_Goblin> schestowitz: I think the direction should be more towards the vast majority..... | May 30 23:12 |
| schestowitz | That's a niche for issues like patents | May 30 23:12 |
| schestowitz | We do speak to people who are programmers/admins | May 30 23:12 |
| ThistleWeb | no, here I was thinking you were trying to build a resource to influence people who can make decisions, like governments, IT managers etc | May 30 23:12 |
| schestowitz | They don't read sites | May 30 23:13 |
| schestowitz | They read reports | May 30 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Lobbyists and such | May 30 23:13 |
| ThistleWeb | those people won't take anything you say seriously because of the names | May 30 23:13 |
| schestowitz | People over lunch, brochures, panel meetings with Biden, G8* meetings | May 30 23:13 |
| ThistleWeb | there's a disconnect between factual stories about fictitious people, fictitious companies and fictitious products | May 30 23:13 |
| ThistleWeb | only made fictional by the use of the names | May 30 23:14 |
| schestowitz | VMB_ware | May 30 23:14 |
| ThistleWeb | it also provides an easy lightning rod for responses too, to avoid dealing with the issues, they can attack you on the name calling and derail the post | May 30 23:14 |
| MinceR | gn | May 30 23:15 |
| schestowitz | True.. | May 30 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Most posts don't do that | May 30 23:15 |
| ThistleWeb | resisting that gives them a harder job, if they do it, they look bad, if they don't they're forced to respond to the issues you raise | May 30 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Look how few do this | May 30 23:15 |
| ThistleWeb | when multiple people are fighting, arguing, the neutral just sees people fighting, they don't see anyone as right or wrong | May 30 23:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Never understood why UK addresses have so many fucking lines. That's damn unefficient! Royal Mail my arse...... | May 30 23:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] OK, off to bed. #needsleep etc. | May 30 23:16 | |
| ThistleWeb | if it's only one side doing that, they see a bully trying to indimidate | May 30 23:16 |
| ThistleWeb | whether it's derailed in the comments or on other sites is irelevant | May 30 23:17 |
| ThistleWeb | the points you make are diluted | May 30 23:17 |
| ThistleWeb | it all just adds to the noise around you and the site, which the neutral sees, when both sides use cheap shot name calling, it impresses nobody | May 30 23:20 |
| ThistleWeb | as I said, I'd recomend groklaw to a neutral to educate themselves about patents, copyright etc, knowing that they use proper names, because any post with name calling will have them reaching for the close button without reading it, which impacts on my credibility for recommending it | May 30 23:22 |
| ThistleWeb | which is a shame, given the work you put into it | May 30 23:22 |
| ThistleWeb | the way I see it, is that the first part of being able to engage with people, is not to do something that will get you dismissed and ignored before you even start | May 30 23:24 |
| ThistleWeb | at least then you can have a conversation | May 30 23:25 |
| ThistleWeb | it's an immediate shooting yourself in the foot before you even start | May 30 23:25 |
| schestowitz | [23:16] <ThistleWeb> when multiple people are fighting, arguing, the neutral just sees people fighting, they don't see anyone as right or wrong | May 30 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Exactly :-) | May 30 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Which is why I don't argue with trolls | May 30 23:27 |
| ThistleWeb | no, you welcome them in here | May 30 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Not here | May 30 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Trolls means something else | May 30 23:28 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, yeah right | May 30 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 30 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Here is an example | May 30 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Did you see "Mutex' here | May 30 23:28 |
| schestowitz | One type comes to insult people | May 30 23:28 |
| schestowitz | To ruin by intention | May 30 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Having an objectionable opinion is not trolling by its own right | May 30 23:29 |
| ThistleWeb | true | May 30 23:29 |
| schestowitz | It's just not trolling, it's something else | May 30 23:29 |
| schestowitz | And I agree that too is a problem | May 30 23:29 |
| schestowitz | But one thing Groklaw's PJ said to me is that she uses humour to show she's not fighting | May 30 23:29 |
| schestowitz | So only the other side seems to be "fighting" while she outwardly takes it easy | May 30 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Techrights does not uinsult people | May 30 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Never foul-mouthed | May 30 23:30 |
| schestowitz | But its haters do that | May 30 23:30 |
| ThistleWeb | not fighting is one thing, all they see is people with history | May 30 23:30 |
| schestowitz | This de-legitimises out opposition, even the portion of it that's polite | May 30 23:30 |
| ThistleWeb | of course not, you don't talk about any real people, it's all fictitious people through the use of names, and insults don't have to be foul mouthed | May 30 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Some anti-govt. groups and such stuff get pretenders among them to achieve the same artificially | May 30 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Watch what Fox is doing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UehZ1FZLGGs | May 30 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | I was reminded of this some days ago | May 30 23:32 |
| ThistleWeb | fox news is a joke, we all know that......well I exclude ender in "all" | May 30 23:32 |
| schestowitz | msb said that some people are being used to draw attention away from real sceptics (and no, I don't agree with his 9/11 theores) | May 30 23:32 |
| schestowitz | I saw how protests are derailed this way | May 30 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Agent provocateurs and aggravators | May 30 23:33 |
| ThistleWeb | of course | May 30 23:33 |
| schestowitz | then there's stuff like this (not sure about it): http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101208/11535712195/fbi-thwarts-another-its-own-bomb-plots.shtml | May 30 23:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: FBI 'Thwarts' Another Of Its Own Bomb Plots | Techdirt .::. Size~: 142.81 KB | May 30 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Creating unrest within communities | May 30 23:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101130/05014712057/fbi-celebrates-that-it-prevented-fbis-own-bomb-plot.shtml | May 30 23:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: FBI Celebrates That It Prevented FBI's Own Bomb Plot | Techdirt .::. Size~: 141.19 KB | May 30 23:34 |
| ThistleWeb | none of this addresses why this channel is a haven for people constantly bringing up stuff most people would consider the realm of the crazies | May 30 23:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2010/10/27/would-be-metro-bomber-caught-in-sting/ | May 30 23:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Would-Be Metro Bomber Caught in Sting - City Desk - Washington City Paper .::. Size~: 59.59 KB | May 30 23:35 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: no | May 30 23:35 |
| schestowitz | There's generalisation | May 30 23:35 |
| schestowitz | There's the fringe which is probabl;y fake | May 30 23:35 |
| schestowitz | There are those who say demolition - also lacking any evidence that's credible | May 30 23:36 |
| schestowitz | And those who think the security forces didn't do enough | May 30 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Not to be confused with "aided" | May 30 23:36 |
| schestowitz | To mix them all together is exactly what some would want | May 30 23:36 |
| ThistleWeb | do you really want a channel which is supposed to be about facts, and exposing REAL problems, being mixed with all sorts of conspiracy theories and half baked political posturing? | May 30 23:37 |
| schestowitz | it created a fog around those like Stallman who merely ask for better invetigation | May 30 23:37 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: no, but we can use the channel to tackle the false theories | May 30 23:37 |
| schestowitz | And that'sm what we did | May 30 23:37 |
| ThistleWeb | you know what it's like, when all the media say one thing, and a whistleblower says the opposite | May 30 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Actually, in COLA we were credited for going this | May 30 23:37 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: like Bradley? | May 30 23:38 |
| ThistleWeb | bradley is one example | May 30 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Julian spoke to CBS (IIRC) and filmed secretly his challenge after they helped daemonise Bradly, possibly giving his death/life sentience | May 30 23:38 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: people whom you consider "loons" are not a majority here | May 30 23:39 |
| schestowitz | So they cannot pass these ideas through without a challenge | May 30 23:39 |
| schestowitz | IOW, it weakens those positions | May 30 23:39 |
| ThistleWeb | when the whislteblower's version is discussed with as much validity as bizarro political conspiracys, it lumps them in together, by extention "the group of people can't tell facts from fiction therefor the whistlebloswers account must be wrong" | May 30 23:39 |
| schestowitz | If you refuse to discuss those theories, how would you signal to people that they should not believe anything they see on the Web | May 30 23:40 |
| schestowitz | We do need to give that visibility and than also address the gaps.... | May 30 23:40 |
| schestowitz | If you sweep it aside it'll only seem like there is no rebuttal and thus something to hide | May 30 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Same with Microsoft FUD | May 30 23:40 |
| schestowitz | You can't just ignore it | May 30 23:40 |
| schestowitz | "Ballmer: Linux is cancer" | May 30 23:40 |
| schestowitz | You: not true, let's ignore? | May 30 23:41 |
| ThistleWeb | to me, these types of discussions are just intended to sap time, attention etc debating round in circles | May 30 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Me: let's show what he said, and show what it's not true | May 30 23:41 |
| schestowitz | After a while he cannot repeat the same lie | May 30 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Techdirt does this over and over again with MAFIAA's fake numbers and "losses" | May 30 23:41 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: that's a capacity problem | May 30 23:42 |
| ThistleWeb | as far as not being the majority, by the userlist you're right, but most of the people here don't talk | May 30 23:42 |
| schestowitz | As explained in this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VVqL9etvU0 | May 30 23:42 |
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| ThistleWeb | from those who do talk, it's a high percentage | May 30 23:42 |
| ThistleWeb | it's the talkers that create the channel and the logs of the channel | May 30 23:43 |
| schestowitz | "core" people don't subscribe to these belief | May 30 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | I remember a friend who used to read Surfing the Apocalypse | May 30 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Which used to be decent , he argued, before all sorts of alien nuts filled the site | May 30 23:44 |
| schestowitz | And now it looks like a cracy site | May 30 23:44 |
| schestowitz | *crazy | May 30 23:44 |
| ThistleWeb | as far as real time chat is concerned, it could be a capacity issue, when there's nobody around who cares to argue the same points around in circles yet again, it goes unchallenged | May 30 23:45 |
| ThistleWeb | it's like a hole in a ship, while people are there with buckets it's fine, when nobody is on duty with a bucket it fills up | May 30 23:46 |
| ThistleWeb | when people are sick of bucket duty knowing they could be doing something actually productive instead. they choose not to bail the water out | May 30 23:47 |
| schestowitz |  | May 30 23:48 |
| schestowitz | [23:45] <ThistleWeb> as far as real time chat is concerned, it could be a capacity issue, when there's nobody around who cares to argue the same points around in circles yet again, it goes unchallenged | May 30 23:48 |
| schestowitz | True | May 30 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Thus me asking how we can better focus | May 30 23:48 |
| schestowitz | In any case, things changed | May 30 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Because the topics of focus change | May 30 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Novell et al. (Ballnux companies) all died | May 30 23:49 |
| schestowitz | and it's down to patents now | May 30 23:49 |
| schestowitz | SCO is history too pretty much, so Groklaw's PJ called it quits | May 30 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Which leaves us with patents, Android, etc. | May 30 23:49 |
| ThistleWeb | you could do a "where are they now" past / present to show microsoft's influence | May 30 23:49 |
| ThistleWeb | side by side | May 30 23:49 |
| schestowitz | It's a lot of work | May 30 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Long posts don't get read properly | May 30 23:50 |
| schestowitz | People are lazy | May 30 23:50 |
| schestowitz | http://mumbrella.com.au/googles-eric-schmidt-named-cannes-lions-media-person-of-the-year-46858 | May 30 23:51 |
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| ThistleWeb | for me it all begins with fixing the underlying things first, people will only engage as readers or contribters if they believe it's worth while and they can make a difference, and name calling rules out so many of them | May 30 23:52 |
| ThistleWeb | those who do read long complex posts will treat name calling as childish | May 30 23:52 |
| schestowitz | I don't do much namecalling | May 30 23:52 |
| ThistleWeb | every post if full of it | May 30 23:53 |
| schestowitz | See for yourself | May 30 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Maybe times that I do stand out like a sore thumb | May 30 23:53 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: not really | May 30 23:53 |
| ThistleWeb | ye Gods, are you so close to your posts that you don't notice how glaring it is? | May 30 23:53 |
| ThistleWeb | why would people invest their time and energy building a site knowing it'll be ignored by the people who matter because of the names? | May 30 23:55 |
| ThistleWeb | you're turning people away as readers and contributors because of this one practice | May 30 23:55 |
| ThistleWeb | yes, what you wanna do is a lot of work, it'll require help, but the people willing to step up and help is seriously limited because of that practice, which means those plans need to be toned right back | May 30 23:56 |
| schestowitz | what a terrible headline: http://www.tmcnet.com/topics/articles/177247-masterobjects-suing-microsoft-patent-infringement-allegations.htm | May 30 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | Makes it sound like they sued Microsoft for threats | May 30 23:58 |
| schestowitz | [23:55] <ThistleWeb> why would people invest their time and energy building a site knowing it'll be ignored by the people who matter because of the names? | May 30 23:58 |
| schestowitz | That's not the case | May 30 23:58 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: you make suppositions that you need to prove | May 30 23:59 |
| schestowitz | E.g. that people do not contribute because of the names | May 30 23:59 |
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