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| kentma | Good day. | Jun 22 08:20 |
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| schestowitz | Hi there | Jun 22 08:23 |
| schestowitz | How are you? | Jun 22 08:23 |
| schestowitz | There are 3-4 IRC channels one, this one we hardly use because Novell got sold | Jun 22 08:24 |
| schestowitz | As I said, | Jun 22 08:25 |
| schestowitz | Homer and Nessuno | Jun 22 08:25 |
| schestowitz | are still around. | Jun 22 08:25 |
| schestowitz | Homer is in the other channel sometimes | Jun 22 08:25 |
| schestowitz | And HPT is in identica, too | Jun 22 08:25 |
| kentma | Homer is still on some strange world and refuses to speak to me - still not sure why! Nessuno is still in contact from time to time. How about I try #techrights? | Jun 22 08:25 |
| schestowitz | But I thought maybe some of us could take back COLA :-) | Jun 22 08:25 |
| kentma | interesting thought, yes | Jun 22 08:25 |
| schestowitz | sure, that's the main channel we use now | Jun 22 08:26 |
| kentma | It's been a while :-) | Jun 22 08:26 |
| schestowitz | Android is winning | Jun 22 08:26 |
| schestowitz | The trolls recognise this | Jun 22 08:26 |
| schestowitz | And so, their FUD has expired | Jun 22 08:26 |
| kentma | yes, the mobility thing was pretty much unavoidable. | Jun 22 08:26 |
| schestowitz | Same in blog posts around the Web. The "Linux dead" allegation doesn't fly anymore | Jun 22 08:26 |
| schestowitz | kentma: you guessed it right -- | Jun 22 08:26 |
| schestowitz | that devices like tablets would grow at the expense of desktop | Jun 22 08:26 |
| kentma | Well, it's my job to do that :-D | Jun 22 08:26 |
| schestowitz | They outsell them now | Jun 22 08:27 |
| schestowitz | BTW, my BT connection has been stable for over a month | Jun 22 08:27 |
| kentma | yes, the trends were clear for a long time, but people become emotionally attached to things (like desktops). | Jun 22 08:27 |
| kentma | Good! | Jun 22 08:27 |
| schestowitz | At first it was a bit dodgy | Jun 22 08:27 |
| schestowitz | Not sure if there's some Nokia plans in the pipeline | Jun 22 08:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Nokia-N9/?kc=rss | Jun 22 08:27 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Nokia N9 could be the first and last MeeGo phone - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 60.74 KB | Jun 22 08:27 |
| kentma | Nokia have announced the N9 today | Jun 22 08:27 |
| kentma | yes :-) | Jun 22 08:28 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jun 22 08:28 |
| schestowitz | it's down to patents now | Jun 22 08:28 |
| kentma | I was considering buying one, more as a curiousity than anything else. | Jun 22 08:28 |
| schestowitz | techrights I use mainly to wage war on software patents | Jun 22 08:28 |
| kentma | The key now is to put an end to software patents. | Jun 22 08:28 |
| schestowitz | Elop uses them to extort Microsoft competitors | Jun 22 08:28 |
| kentma | the linux debate is rather, well, dated. | Jun 22 08:28 |
| schestowitz | now elop will need to make n9 fail | Jun 22 08:28 |
| schestowitz | To 'prove' that there was no point to Linux | Jun 22 08:29 |
| kentma | I'm sure he'll succeed at that - announcing the end replacement at launch is hardly professional - it's a Ratner. | Jun 22 08:29 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I haven't posted in COLA in almost a year | Jun 22 08:29 |
| schestowitz | But the trolls still stalk us and mention our site daily | Jun 22 08:29 |
| kentma | nor me... is there a password for techrights, btw? | Jun 22 08:29 |
| schestowitz | Usually several times per day, rather odd... | Jun 22 08:29 |
| kentma | ah, no there isn't. I'm in. | Jun 22 08:29 |
| kentma | That's amazing - you obviously had a powerful impact. | Jun 22 08:30 |
| schestowitz | I thought about getting back in there | Jun 22 08:30 |
| schestowitz | If only to just keep presence of Linux advocacy | Jun 22 08:30 |
| schestowitz | and msb_ asked for that | Jun 22 08:30 |
| kentma | perhaps it would be worth a trip in, although there's no way I could afford the time which I used to put in. | Jun 22 08:30 |
| schestowitz | I've mostly lurked a bit | Jun 22 08:31 |
| schestowitz | Cause they often spread lies about me there | Jun 22 08:31 |
| schestowitz | Not safe not to keep up of their lies | Jun 22 08:31 |
| schestowitz | Gary the psychopath is lurking in IRC | Jun 22 08:32 |
| schestowitz | He's a very, very sick person | Jun 22 08:32 |
| kentma | My current job (software for Openreach) is far too time-consuming, plus I have several out of hours interests too, so it's about fitting things in. | Jun 22 08:32 |
| kentma | Perhaps setting a target of some kind? | Jun 22 08:32 |
| schestowitz | should be locked up really, not safe to be out there | Jun 22 08:32 |
| schestowitz | IIRC you cycle | Jun 22 08:32 |
| schestowitz | The trolls are mostly harmless now | Jun 22 08:32 |
| schestowitz | When they try to damage they only promote | Jun 22 08:33 |
| schestowitz | So the COLA trolls are powerless and they harm their cause more than they promote it | Jun 22 08:33 |
| kentma | I would think that they know that they lost the battle, Microsoft are moving away from this to other things, so their funding will have dried up. | Jun 22 08:33 |
| kentma | Gary is wierd, though - he's surely a sociopath at least. | Jun 22 08:33 |
| kentma | What name does he use? | Jun 22 08:33 |
| schestowitz | However, it would be nice to have Linux advocacy topics in COLA | Jun 22 08:33 |
| schestowitz | kentma: he doesn't say | Jun 22 08:33 |
| schestowitz | but we know which one | Jun 22 08:34 |
| kentma | okay :-) | Jun 22 08:34 |
| schestowitz | microsoft has debt now | Jun 22 08:34 |
| kentma | Maybe the occasional essay? | Jun 22 08:34 |
| schestowitz | and it tries to amass patents | Jun 22 08:34 |
| schestowitz | to ruins the competitors | Jun 22 08:34 |
| schestowitz | as I expected 5 years ago | Jun 22 08:34 |
| kentma | Microsoft made a huge error in purchasing skype | Jun 22 08:34 |
| schestowitz | groklaw is sort of out of commission | Jun 22 08:34 |
| kentma | shame - she was doing a good job | Jun 22 08:34 |
| schestowitz | givs me a reason now to use skype | Jun 22 08:35 |
| schestowitz | Which isn't too bad... I needed that push to leave all blobs | Jun 22 08:35 |
| schestowitz | kentma: yes, but she's just facing the patent issue now | Jun 22 08:35 |
| schestowitz | she passed over to Webbink | Jun 22 08:35 |
| schestowitz | He's from the peer 2 patent bunch | Jun 22 08:35 |
| schestowitz | Who are not pro-abolition | Jun 22 08:35 |
| kentma | oh? interesting. | Jun 22 08:36 |
| schestowitz | They're more like OIN | Jun 22 08:36 |
| schestowitz | Patents vs patents | Jun 22 08:36 |
| kentma | The problem with that approach is that it merely serves to raise the entry barrier for new businesses through the patenting of mathematics. | Jun 22 08:36 |
| kentma | The whole model needs tearing down, but I suspect that western governments are too wedded to it, as they're too frightened of the growth of India and China and cannot see how else they can compete. | Jun 22 08:37 |
| schestowitz | Yes, exactly | Jun 22 08:37 |
| schestowitz | BT has been patenting in India | Jun 22 08:37 |
| schestowitz | I recall this from 2008 | Jun 22 08:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe software patents too, that may have been the case at the time.. | Jun 22 08:38 |
| kentma | BT has a big presence in India, so I wouldn't be surprised. | Jun 22 08:38 |
| schestowitz | Problem is, China realised this and made its own patents too | Jun 22 08:38 |
| kentma | It's great for the legal beagles. | Jun 22 08:38 |
| schestowitz | They'll make the West pay back the debt | Jun 22 08:39 |
| schestowitz | The patents won't cancel it out | Jun 22 08:39 |
| schestowitz | Or the nukes, either | Jun 22 08:39 |
| schestowitz | Unless the neo-con fundamentalist install people like Palin to go all crazy "patriot" | Jun 22 08:39 |
| msb_ | Nukes? | Jun 22 08:40 |
| kentma | I think Roy is referring to the threat of war for the US to avoid paying its incredible debts. | Jun 22 08:41 |
| msb_ | Roger. | Jun 22 08:41 |
| schestowitz | yes. | Jun 22 08:41 |
| kentma | Unless they can get a leader crazy enough to actually press the button... | Jun 22 08:41 |
| msb_ | I was afraid in the last election that Palin would do that to be with Jesus. | Jun 22 08:42 |
| kentma | So what would a "retake cola" strategy look like? | Jun 22 08:42 |
| kentma | msb: haha! | Jun 22 08:42 |
| schestowitz | Like Germany after http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles | Jun 22 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Treaty of Versailles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 211.07 KB | Jun 22 08:42 |
| schestowitz | kentma: just post a lot of advocacy | Jun 22 08:42 |
| schestowitz | drown out the ad hominem and lies from the trolls | Jun 22 08:43 |
| msb_ | Roy, just start posting relevant news again, exactly like before. | Jun 22 08:43 |
| schestowitz | They hated when people lost sight of their heckling | Jun 22 08:43 |
| schestowitz | Even if it doesn't get big threads going, at least it makes COLA is useful source of information/news | Jun 22 08:43 |
| msb_ | They start most of the threads now, and I think do about 70% of the posts. | Jun 22 08:43 |
| kentma | schestowitz: sure, but as you said earlier, the war is won, we're seeing some battles play out, and they will for a long time, but the war is absolutely won. | Jun 22 08:43 |
| schestowitz | I can group items and make suitable titles for these groups | Jun 22 08:43 |
| schestowitz | kentma: it is | Jun 22 08:44 |
| kentma | Oh, sort of a newsline thing? | Jun 22 08:44 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw's PJ stepped aside saying so | Jun 22 08:44 |
| schestowitz | She's not so needed anyway | Jun 22 08:44 |
| schestowitz | She said the "Emergency is over" or something along those lines | Jun 22 08:44 |
| kentma | The danger now is not that Linu | Jun 22 08:44 |
| kentma | x might fail, rather, it's that Android might take away the freedom the GPL was supposed to enshrine. | Jun 22 08:45 |
| kentma | If that makes sense. | Jun 22 08:45 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft is too feeble now, too, challenged by the likes of IBM (whose market cap is back ahead of Microsoft) with Google and Apple well ahead | Jun 22 08:45 |
| schestowitz | kentma: it does that already | Jun 22 08:45 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft is killing meego | Jun 22 08:45 |
| schestowitz | webos will spread through hp, but it's proprietary too | Jun 22 08:45 |
| schestowitz | the FSF is in bad shape | Jun 22 08:45 |
| schestowitz | They called back an old member to replace the departing Peter Brown | Jun 22 08:46 |
| kentma | Microsoft are in a death-spiral, going back several years. They've not created anything interested since Microsoft Office. They're ported windows to Xbox and to mobiles, but that's it. Windows is ancient technology, and the continued round of hacks and security problems merely proves that Windows is a 1980s technology, ill suited to the security challenges of the 20-teens. | Jun 22 08:46 |
| schestowitz | Yes, OS X is running circles around it and Linux too is forging ahead | Jun 22 08:47 |
| schestowitz | But in the form of closed systems | Jun 22 08:47 |
| schestowitz | Not so much the Free Desktop | Jun 22 08:47 |
| kentma | That's what I was wondering about - is cola the right battle to fight now? Would it be better to support the FSF works, say, or the EFF? | Jun 22 08:47 |
| schestowitz | GNOME and KDE have weakened in their organisation structure | Jun 22 08:47 |
| schestowitz | kentma: right.. | Jun 22 08:48 |
| schestowitz | Well, we have things like techrights | Jun 22 08:48 |
| schestowitz | Mostly about issues like patents | Jun 22 08:48 |
| schestowitz | ANd that's one of the reasons I didn't spend time in COLA | Jun 22 08:48 |
| schestowitz | I also assume USENET will rot over the next 5 years | Jun 22 08:48 |
| kentma | Or, alternatively, should we be looking at Ubuntu and Debian as the last men-standing? | Jun 22 08:48 |
| schestowitz | EFF does patent-busting | Jun 22 08:48 |
| kentma | usenet dates back to my early days in this world, before the web :-) | Jun 22 08:49 |
| schestowitz | Not the same as actuallym changing legislation, more like peer to patent | Jun 22 08:49 |
| kentma | It's like gopher, there are still a couple running, but they're curiousities now. | Jun 22 08:49 |
| schestowitz | Google Groups too is changing | Jun 22 08:49 |
| schestowitz | Google has phased out some stuff like profiles | Jun 22 08:49 |
| schestowitz | Starting July 1st | Jun 22 08:49 |
| kentma | Hmmmmmm, not good. | Jun 22 08:49 |
| schestowitz | Not too sure what they'll do with DejaNews | Jun 22 08:49 |
| msb_ | The Microsoft propagandists in COLA are constantly claiming that "Linux has failed" because it only has (they say) 1% of desktops. But I say that Linux is the OS for people who think, and with at least 20,000,000 desktops it is succeeding nicely. However, to be healthy it needs SaX (which is still being maintained as SaX3) and KDE3 (which is being maintained and improved as Trinity). | Jun 22 08:50 |
| kentma | The archive search has been broeken for years now. | Jun 22 08:50 |
| schestowitz | I think they've had a problem with people spreading libel through there, without source if liability | Jun 22 08:50 |
| schestowitz | kentma: hmmm... is it still? | Jun 22 08:50 |
| schestowitz | Also, back in the days around 2006 Google had "Groups" in the front page | Jun 22 08:50 |
| schestowitz | Image, News, Groups, etc. | Jun 22 08:50 |
| schestowitz | They now suppress access to it, or rather, they hide it somewhere away from reach | Jun 22 08:51 |
| schestowitz | In Firefox 5 the Google Toolbar got all sucky | Jun 22 08:51 |
| msb_ | The Trinity leader agrees with me that ALSA is the best sound system overall, and the sound system should not be tied to the DE, as it is in KDE4. | Jun 22 08:51 |
| schestowitz | I dumped it last night | Jun 22 08:51 |
| kentma | msb: the desktop has been pretty much irrelevant for several years now, it's all about mobility, which is portable devices, phones, pads, web tablets and so on. Most average people don't buy desktops at all, and business people are increasing moving to tablets/pads. | Jun 22 08:51 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Panasonic and another company announces Android tablets yesterday(ish) | Jun 22 08:52 |
| kentma | schestowitz: you're right, groups was on the front. | Jun 22 08:52 |
| schestowitz | Cisco too will have those | Jun 22 08:52 |
| schestowitz | None runs WIndows | Jun 22 08:52 |
| schestowitz | It's just iPad (1,2) versus all the Linuxes | Jun 22 08:52 |
| schestowitz | Same in phones | Jun 22 08:52 |
| schestowitz | +RIM, Nokia legacy | Jun 22 08:52 |
| msb_ | kentma: Irrelevant in terms of numbers perhaps. But desktops and laptops are what are used by the intellectual core of Linux people, and by anyone else who needs a powerful, modular OS that will do what they want it to. | Jun 22 08:53 |
| schestowitz | kentma: it was... odd as it may seem to think that now | Jun 22 08:53 |
| schestowitz | So, I lean towards thinking we could leave usenet aside then | Jun 22 08:53 |
| schestowitz | I don't get trolled by mono bullies anymore | Jun 22 08:53 |
| kentma | The trolls are probably right, Linux never did win the desktop war, but it didn't need to - why fight for an empty goldmine? | Jun 22 08:53 |
| schestowitz | mono sort of died | Jun 22 08:53 |
| msb_ | Usenet is widely used for file sharing. | Jun 22 08:53 |
| schestowitz | I don't need to roost where even more vicious trolls roam | Jun 22 08:54 |
| msb_ | COLA has many thousands of subscribers signed up via Google groups. | Jun 22 08:54 |
| schestowitz | *had | Jun 22 08:54 |
| kentma | msb_: yes, I agree, and I'm a big desktop user myself, and a huge fan of open-source. | Jun 22 08:54 |
| schestowitz | Google counts also those who no longer keep track | Jun 22 08:54 |
| kentma | msb_: but, in the wider picture, the desktop is, perhaps sadly, dead | Jun 22 08:54 |
| schestowitz | my monitor that I bought last wek came with speakers and USB | Jun 22 08:55 |
| msb_ | Only in percentage. | Jun 22 08:55 |
| schestowitz | Some compliance thing | Jun 22 08:55 |
| schestowitz | I guess if they make them like this (and I saw an HP computer at the shop where the mobo is in the screen), we'll see major changes indeed | Jun 22 08:55 |
| schestowitz | hose 'screenputers' are bad investment | Jun 22 08:55 |
| schestowitz | Because they don't run on batteries | Jun 22 08:55 |
| schestowitz | So I guess lean OSes (i.e. nto Windows) will be the way forward | Jun 22 08:56 |
| msb_ | You can't do serious work on a cell phone, web-tablet, or whatever. | Jun 22 08:56 |
| schestowitz | Vista 8 with al that ARM hype won't ruj 3rd-party apps | Jun 22 08:56 |
| msb_ | You need a good keyboard and a fairly large screen. | Jun 22 08:56 |
| schestowitz | and it'll still be too thick | Jun 22 08:56 |
| schestowitz | msb_: you can have those | Jun 22 08:56 |
| schestowitz | msb_: maybe not there yet | Jun 22 08:56 |
| schestowitz | But my PDA has a full-sized keyboard, still | Jun 22 08:57 |
| schestowitz | If it has a US output to connect to the screen, then I could probably get lots done | Jun 22 08:57 |
| schestowitz | Ethernet too | Jun 22 08:57 |
| msb_ | If it has a full-size kbd and a full-size screen it's a laptop! 8^) | Jun 22 08:57 |
| schestowitz | What's a laptop? | Jun 22 08:58 |
| schestowitz | IS this a new thing? | Jun 22 08:58 |
| msb_ | It doesn't matter if it's an integrated machine with fullsize screen and kbd or cabled together -- it's what's needed for serious complex work. | Jun 22 08:58 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: A portable computer (if you're not kidding). | Jun 22 08:59 |
| schestowitz | I was kidding | Jun 22 08:59 |
| msb_ | And Linux with many virtual-desktops and good switching between them is often needed too. | Jun 22 08:59 |
| schestowitz | So anyway, I guess COLA can be forgotten about? | Jun 22 09:00 |
| msb_ | That's KDE3/Trinity. | Jun 22 09:00 |
| schestowitz | Although getting back there should not be too hard | Jun 22 09:00 |
| msb_ | If you're going to post news elsewhere couldn't you make your software shoot it to COLA too, without any extra effort on your part? | Jun 22 09:00 |
| msb_ | You certainly don't have to respond to the Microsofties. | Jun 22 09:01 |
| msb_ | btw, did you find the links I posted about Firefox plugins? I think you might have just gone off to sleep. | Jun 22 09:02 |
| msb_ | Maybe Ubuntu will be able to out-bling and out-stupid MS-windows, or at least match it, and attract some computer-non-literates. | Jun 22 09:04 |
| msb_ | I just want one well-maintained distro with Trinity, SaX, and ALSA that I can recommend to people who think. | Jun 22 09:06 |
| msb_ | If it also has KDE4 and pulse/phonon/whatever, I don't care. | Jun 22 09:06 |
| msb_ | People who think, and use the computer for complex work, and therefore love Linux, are the people who will spread the word on it most effectively by far, to others like themselves. | Jun 22 09:07 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm... | Jun 22 09:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 09:08 |
| schestowitz | 01-31-2006 | Jun 22 09:08 |
| schestowitz | Gordon wrote: | Jun 22 09:08 |
| schestowitz | > Noel Paton wrote: | Jun 22 09:08 |
| schestowitz | >> ooops! | Jun 22 09:08 |
| schestowitz | >> | Jun 22 09:08 |
| schestowitz | >> news.btinternet.com | Jun 22 09:08 |
| schestowitz | >> | Jun 22 09:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 22 09:08 |
| schestowitz | > Actually not according to this page | Jun 22 09:08 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.filesaveas.com/btyahoo.html | Jun 22 09:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 22 09:08 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: BT Yahoo Internet Information .::. Size~: 30.45 KB | Jun 22 09:08 |
| schestowitz | > it's news.btopenworld.com | Jun 22 09:08 |
| schestowitz | You can use -- news.btinternet.com; news.btopenworld.com; | Jun 22 09:08 |
| schestowitz | news.btconnect.com; newstrial.btinternet.com | Jun 22 09:08 |
| schestowitz | Brian G | Jun 22 09:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 09:08 |
| schestowitz | Let me check that | Jun 22 09:08 |
| msb_ | With ALSA and Sax that distro will run on any computer with any video card and display. | Jun 22 09:09 |
| msb_ | I'm not just making this stuff up. I spent some months in #suse seeing people come in for help because X.org wouldn't auto-configure for their video card and monitor, or because phonon or pulseaudio wouldn't work on their sound cards/chips. | Jun 22 09:14 |
| msb_ | I was able to help a bunch of them to get going myself. | Jun 22 09:15 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Roy, is OpenSuse OK with you now, since it's separated from Novell and Microsoft? | Jun 22 09:16 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/76937270 | Jun 22 09:17 |
| TechrightsBot | @Kaigara Company (kaigara)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jun-11 07:52:11 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz maybe meego will go on other then nokia devices. | Jun 22 09:17 |
| schestowitz | msb_: it's not separated | Jun 22 09:17 |
| schestowitz | Atacchmate owns the trademarks and ket staff | Jun 22 09:17 |
| schestowitz | *key | Jun 22 09:17 |
| schestowitz | "SUSE" they call it | Jun 22 09:17 |
| schestowitz | It still gets its orders from Washington | Jun 22 09:17 |
| msb_ | How Washington? | Jun 22 09:18 |
| schestowitz | I'm back on COLA | Jun 22 09:18 |
| schestowitz | Let's roll? | Jun 22 09:18 |
| msb_ | Yay! | Jun 22 09:18 |
| schestowitz | OK, Gary will take a core dump | Jun 22 09:19 |
| schestowitz | I will change my posting style though | Jun 22 09:19 |
| schestowitz | I'll find a way to do it right | Jun 22 09:19 |
| kentma | :-) | Jun 22 09:19 |
| kentma | see you in techrights, then, chaps. | Jun 22 09:19 |
| msb_ | btw, I think any biblical name, like Ezekiel, is Gary/Flatfish. | Jun 22 09:20 |
| msb_ | Plus many others, of course. | Jun 22 09:20 |
| msb_ | I think he's a religious nut. | Jun 22 09:20 |
| schestowitz | Should I prepend "news"? | Jun 22 09:21 |
| schestowitz | kentma: sure :-) | Jun 22 09:21 |
| msb_ | Just like old times! | Jun 22 09:21 |
| schestowitz | But need we say News? | Jun 22 09:22 |
| msb_ | Why not? | Jun 22 09:22 |
| msb_ | Make 'em tremble! | Jun 22 09:22 |
| schestowitz | Easier not to add this to all my posts | Jun 22 09:22 |
| schestowitz | With occasional typos | Jun 22 09:22 |
| msb_ | Oh, ok. | Jun 22 09:22 |
| schestowitz | Let's try without | Jun 22 09:22 |
| msb_ | Can't you post with a script and have it add whatever touches are appropriate for Usenet? | Jun 22 09:23 |
| msb_ | Make it all automatic so it's not any extra effort. | Jun 22 09:24 |
| msb_ | Just have one flag character for each article to specify whether it's to go to Usenet or not. | Jun 22 09:25 |
| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Jun 22 09:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 22 09:37 |
| schestowitz | > What is the relationship between Skype and E-Bay currently? | Jun 22 09:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 22 09:37 |
| schestowitz | > http://techcrunch.com/2009/11/19/ebay-skype-sale/ | Jun 22 09:37 |
| schestowitz | As I understand it, skype was merely licensed or something. | Jun 22 09:37 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Breaking: eBay Completes Skype Sale At $2.75 Billion Valuation .::. Size~: 105.43 KB | Jun 22 09:37 |
| schestowitz | Is this correct? | Jun 22 09:37 |
| schestowitz | msb_: no automation | Jun 22 09:37 |
| schestowitz | I do everything manualluy | Jun 22 09:37 |
| schestowitz | I always did | Jun 22 09:37 |
| msb_ | Great! Three up on Google Groups! | Jun 22 09:40 |
| msb_ | Some here may think Usenet's dead, but Microsoft sure doesn't. That's why MS ordered their propagandists to attack you more than anyone else. MS doesn't want the truth about itself and Linux coming out in a well-known public forum. | Jun 22 09:42 |
| msb_ | There's #4! Real good one! | Jun 22 09:45 |
| kentma | I like usenet, but I see I load of ageing techies using it... younger techies seem to be more web-forum focused. | Jun 22 10:00 |
| schestowitz | msb_: thanks | Jun 22 10:03 |
| schestowitz | I'm getting back into it | Jun 22 10:03 |
| schestowitz | knode goes in workspace 7 | Jun 22 10:03 |
| msb_ | 8^) | Jun 22 10:04 |
| schestowitz | I still remember the keyboard accelerators, but barely | Jun 22 10:04 |
| msb_ | This one on Linux in 6400 schools is wonderful! | Jun 22 10:04 |
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| schestowitz | If I get personal attacks on me in COLA later, then I'll know I did well today | Jun 22 10:04 |
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| kentma | :-) | Jun 22 10:04 |
| msb_ | You will and you did! | Jun 22 10:05 |
| schestowitz | "The worse that can happen is that they'll rebut with TECHNICAL arguments that are valid..." [hypothetical quote] | Jun 22 10:05 |
| kentma | what newsreader should I use for cola, Roy? | Jun 22 10:05 |
| schestowitz | I use knode still | Jun 22 10:05 |
| schestowitz | I have 3 USENET accounts in it | Jun 22 10:05 |
| schestowitz | news servers rather | Jun 22 10:05 |
| schestowitz | Right now I use my ISP's | Jun 22 10:05 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't even need to authenticate, seems to be purely IP address-based | Jun 22 10:06 |
| schestowitz | kentma: you used to get a lot of attention from the trolls | Jun 22 10:06 |
| schestowitz | These were some fun times | Jun 22 10:06 |
| msb_ | I just use Google: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/topics | Jun 22 10:07 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Discussions - comp.os.linux.advocacy | Google Groups .::. Size~: 61.58 KB | Jun 22 10:07 |
| kentma | schestowitz: yes, I did. I'm just not sure about going back to a vt100 based newsreader :-D | Jun 22 10:08 |
| kentma | msb_: I could try that, yes ... | Jun 22 10:08 |
| msb_ | Keep the window as wide as you can, otherwise the stuff gets scrunched up. | Jun 22 10:09 |
| schestowitz | msb_: Google Groups is hard to manage stuff with and work with quickly, with PGP, with local copies of messages to read offline, etc. | Jun 22 10:10 |
| schestowitz | I set it up OK now | Jun 22 10:10 |
| schestowitz | CTRL+F7 bring me to KNODE | Jun 22 10:10 |
| schestowitz | ALT+F7 maximine the windows | Jun 22 10:10 |
| schestowitz | And I use accelerators for PGP | Jun 22 10:10 |
| schestowitz | The rest is in my muscle memory | Jun 22 10:11 |
| msb_ | Google is good for reading news, but I'm sure KNode is better for posting. | Jun 22 10:11 |
| msb_ | I used to use various curses-style newsreaders, and then a GUI one. Google is easiest. I use the mc editor instead of emacs, too. | Jun 22 10:12 |
| kentma | I used to use slrn - it's a bit like vi, great if you can touch-type, but the interface, like all text-based systems, has a very shallow learning curve - takes forever to learn. | Jun 22 10:13 |
| msb_ | Google groups is really a pretty good gui. They were going to "improve" it but apparently the ensuing outrage led them to change their minds. | Jun 22 10:14 |
| kentma | :-) | Jun 22 10:15 |
| msb_ | Roy, the thing about your news posts is... we had no idea so much is happening with Linux before you came along! | Jun 22 10:16 |
| schestowitz | Really? | Jun 22 10:18 |
| schestowitz | Probably untrue | Jun 22 10:18 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, advocating Linux is easy now | Jun 22 10:18 |
| schestowitz | In 2006 we needed to defend Linux not having Flash 7/8 | Jun 22 10:18 |
| kentma | an interesting position, considering the rather proprietary nature of flash. | Jun 22 10:22 |
| msb_ | "Five and a Half Reasons I Prefer Linux (as a power user)" -- Excellent! | Jun 22 10:23 |
| msb_ | Really! I don't know where you find this stuff! | Jun 22 10:24 |
| schestowitz | aggregation | Jun 22 10:29 |
| schestowitz | then headline scanning with the eyes | Jun 22 10:29 |
| schestowitz | There's a lot of stuff out there being published without being seen... like a forest and a tree story | Jun 22 10:29 |
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| kentma | The whole nature of journalism is being turned on its head by the interweb. | Jun 22 10:34 |
| schestowitz | yup! | Jun 22 10:45 |
| schestowitz | it works quite well for those who do social media | Jun 22 10:48 |
| schestowitz | blogs suffer a bit too | Jun 22 10:49 |
| schestowitz | Because people congregate around hubs like facebook, twitter, etc. | Jun 22 10:49 |
| schestowitz | So it's not truly decentralised not, either | Jun 22 10:49 |
| kentma | people do tend to group. | Jun 22 10:50 |
| schestowitz | network effect | Jun 22 10:53 |
| schestowitz | blogs don't integrate well with one another | Jun 22 10:54 |
| schestowitz | but social media still relies on 'news' sites and blogs | Jun 22 10:54 |
| schestowitz | It's just thatt he hub or gateway may decreasingly be RSS | Jun 22 10:54 |
| schestowitz | The engagement, like comments, go into the hubs too | Jun 22 10:54 |
| schestowitz | Google is another such hub | Jun 22 10:54 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Roy, that article you titled "LAST YEAR'S NEWS DIGEST: 2,750 (or 3,650) Schools..." has 244 articles inside it! At least there are that many urls. Google won't even display the whole thing. | Jun 22 11:25 |
| msb_ | It's 2778 lines long! | Jun 22 11:25 |
| msb_ | You should break it up into 244 articles and post them separately. | Jun 22 11:25 |
| schestowitz | It's an old one | Jun 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | I won't do these again | Jun 22 11:26 |
| msb_ | Maybe not all in one night. 8^) | Jun 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | A one-timer | Jun 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz | I'll just post as I go along, during the day, not in lumps | Jun 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | it'll make it easier to toss aside the trolls' insults | Jun 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | They cannot get their way if the news isn't clustered | Jun 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | so it'll annoy them more | Jun 22 11:27 |
| msb_ | They will be swamped out! | Jun 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | They become a minuscule distraction this way | Jun 22 11:27 |
| schestowitz | mopped ip | Jun 22 11:28 |
| msb_ | Believe me, there is gonna be a major and very pissed off meeting in Redmond in about six hours! | Jun 22 11:29 |
| schestowitz | LOL http://i.imgur.com/pKIPc.png | Jun 22 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | Jun 22 11:29 |
| schestowitz | msb_: LOL | Jun 22 11:29 |
| schestowitz | http://imgur.com/MfLBI?full | Jun 22 11:30 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: imgur: the simple image sharer .::. Size~: 6.47 KB | Jun 22 11:30 |
| msb_ | !!!!! | Jun 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln4b1vh7xq1qe1ww4o1_500.jpg | Jun 22 11:30 |
| TechrightsBot | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Jun 22 11:30 |
| msb_ | Haz | Jun 22 11:31 |
| msb_ | HAAAAA | Jun 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Reddit has good pics.. http://i.imgur.com/8tk3j.gif | Jun 22 11:31 |
| TechrightsBot | Not a web page! Aborting image/gif type | Jun 22 11:31 |
| msb_ | Wow, who is that? It's not Chelsea... | Jun 22 11:32 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I'll try to post to COLA every hour | Jun 22 11:33 |
| schestowitz | To drown out the trolls with pro-Linux | Jun 22 11:33 |
| schestowitz | msb_: maybe it's Tutty, from Findland | Jun 22 11:33 |
| schestowitz | *Fidnland | Jun 22 11:33 |
| schestowitz | *Finland | Jun 22 11:33 |
| schestowitz | We had this Finn in ourn gym | Jun 22 11:33 |
| schestowitz | Her name was Tooty | Jun 22 11:33 |
| schestowitz | Which doesn't work well in English | Jun 22 11:34 |
| schestowitz | THis one guy called her titty when she wasn't around | Jun 22 11:34 |
| schestowitz | That was ages ago and this guy is no longer around... he'd repel the females | Jun 22 11:34 |
| msb_ | I love the one with that beautiful cat. Very proud of itself! | Jun 22 11:35 |
| msb_ | And Hillary looks like she's about to lose control! | Jun 22 11:38 |
| msb_ | Although, she looks similar in Wikipedia. Maybe if she dialed down that smile about 50 points she'd look human. | Jun 22 11:40 |
| msb_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_clinton | Jun 22 11:41 |
| TechrightsBot | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden | Jun 22 11:41 |
| msb_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton | Jun 22 11:44 |
| TechrightsBot | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden | Jun 22 11:44 |
| schestowitz | Rodham like like Rodman | Jun 22 11:45 |
| schestowitz | Without the piercings and height and all | Jun 22 11:45 |
| schestowitz | She's like midget white Rodman | Jun 22 11:45 |
| schestowitz | And she can read speeches | Jun 22 11:45 |
| schestowitz | Her speechwriters works for the sociopth Bill Gates now | Jun 22 11:45 |
| msb_ | Agggh! | Jun 22 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Writing 'insights' (fake ones) for another charlatan but one that is a lot more harmful | Jun 22 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Hillary can send people to war | Jun 22 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Bill Gates is in a constantly war against the world, imposing Monsanto patents, forcing people to pay him a tax every time they buy a PC, etc. (even if they use Linux) | Jun 22 11:47 |
| schestowitz | Bill and Nathan are now trying to tax all phones too, with patents | Jun 22 11:47 |
| schestowitz | They are criminals who smile | Jun 22 11:47 |
| schestowitz | Rockefeller does the same thing | Jun 22 11:47 |
| schestowitz | !google david rockefeller chile airport | Jun 22 11:47 |
| TechrightsBot | [1] - YouTube - David Rockefeller confronted at Chilean Airport during ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DGFWzDFjBKUw | Jun 22 11:47 |
| TechrightsBot | [2] - David Rockefeller confronted at Chilean Airport during vacations ... | http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2011/01/22/david-rockefeller-confronted-at-chilean-airport-during-vacations/ | Jun 22 11:47 |
| TechrightsBot | [3] - David Rockefeller confronted at Chilean Airport during vacations ... | http://www.facebook.com/DavidRockefellerConfrontedAtChileanAirport | Jun 22 11:47 |
| TechrightsBot | [4] - Rockefeller Owned: Chileans tell him he will fail Alex Jones ... | http://www.infowars.com/david-rockefeller-confronted-at-chilean-airport-no-world-government/ | Jun 22 11:47 |
| schestowitz | They pretend not to know their crimes | Jun 22 11:47 |
| msb_ | Chelsea married a former Goldman Sachs investment banker. | Jun 22 11:49 |
| msb_ | These people at the top are almost all sociopaths. They select one another. They've realized that by working together than can exert total control. | Jun 22 11:51 |
| msb_ | Maybe not in Chile.... | Jun 22 11:52 |
| msb_ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/#PSYCHO | Jun 22 11:53 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Human Society That Works For Everyone .::. Size~: 28.42 KB | Jun 22 11:53 |
| msb_ | Slaves that are chained and whipped will eventually revolt. | Jun 22 11:55 |
| msb_ | But slaves who don't realize that they're slaves, who are brainwashed by TV, newspapers, radio, religion, booze -- The Matrix -- will not only work for their masters without complaint, they'll put down any of the slaves that dare to rise up, even to just tell the truth. | Jun 22 11:57 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Richard Stallman visited Venezuela and met with Hugo Chavez! | Jun 22 12:00 |
| msb_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman | Jun 22 12:01 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Richard Stallman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 233.96 KB | Jun 22 12:01 |
| schestowitz | Just posted some provocation... | Jun 22 12:02 |
| schestowitz | "GNU/Linux is for Lazy People" | Jun 22 12:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | Firefox installation: | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | Linux: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-next & apt-get update & apt-get install firefox | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | Windows: | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | * Close all applications to reach the desktop. | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | * Click the Blue E, wait for obnoxious MSN ads-fest to load | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | * Go to Google | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | * Type in "Firefox" | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | * Enter | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | * Find Firefox | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | * Enter | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | * Go to downloads | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | * Enter | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | * Find the right version for you | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | * Do some mouse-fu thing to get the file, like the teachers (at taxpayers' expense) taught you to | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | do at the behest of Bill Gates and his gang that coerces education systems | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | * Close the browser to reach the desktop | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | * Open a file manager (file manager? What the heck is this? Call a neighbour/family member for assistance) | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | * Locate the file downloaded (requires some experience) | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | * Double-click the file you downloaded | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | * Click and drool for several minutes, be unsure about all those baffling questions like directories with slashes and jargon | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | * Optionally/forcibly reboot | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | [5 minutes pass] | Jun 22 12:03 |
| schestowitz | * Click the fox icon on the desktop, be promoted regarding all sorts of confusing questions about default browser.. | Jun 22 12:04 |
| schestowitz | * Sigh | Jun 22 12:04 |
| schestowitz | [maybe you should have just gone with Linux] | Jun 22 12:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 12:04 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/76948573 | Jun 22 12:05 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/76948573 | Jun 22 12:05 |
| TechrightsBot | @Richard Smedley (richardsmedley)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jun-11 10:48:18 UTC - Identi.ca: ♻ @schestowitz Ceylon: True advance, or just another language? http://ur1.ca/4hw4v //"a better Java" not enough but good 2 see choice on JVM | Jun 22 12:05 |
| TechrightsBot | -> Title: Ceylon: True advance, or just another language? .::. Size~: 90.32 KB | Jun 22 12:05 |
| TechrightsBot | @Richard Smedley (richardsmedley)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jun-11 10:48:18 UTC - Identi.ca: ♻ @schestowitz Ceylon: True advance, or just another language? http://ur1.ca/4hw4v //"a better Java" not enough but good 2 see choice on JVM | Jun 22 12:05 |
| TechrightsBot | -> Title: Ceylon: True advance, or just another language? .::. Size~: 90.32 KB | Jun 22 12:05 |
| schestowitz | What's this all about? http://www.groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=46240 | Jun 22 12:24 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Changes to Google Groups profiles - Google Groups Help .::. Size~: 17.01 KB | Jun 22 12:24 |
| schestowitz | Hmm... this one got mailed to me.. http://www.youtube.com/social/blog/K5l0BvkWezc?feature=similar | Jun 22 12:34 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube - Videos mentioned by Techrights .::. Size~: 47.61 KB | Jun 22 12:34 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/76937270 | Jun 22 12:34 |
| TechrightsBot | @Kaigara Company (kaigara)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jun-11 07:52:11 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz maybe meego will go on other then nokia devices. | Jun 22 12:35 |
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| schestowitz | I'm trying a totally nrw approach to using firefox now | Jun 22 12:49 |
| schestowitz | just 3 plugins left installed | Jun 22 12:49 |
| schestowitz | tab mix, adblock, noscript... | Jun 22 12:49 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: so no video downloader? | Jun 22 13:31 |
| schestowitz | Oh, damn | Jun 22 13:58 |
| schestowitz | I forgot that | Jun 22 13:58 |
| oiaohm | You would have remembered the next time you need a video from a bugger of a place. | Jun 22 14:00 |
| MinceR | such as youtube :> | Jun 22 14:00 |
| schestowitz | I used to have some unknown plugin which made me have to kill firefox tro close it | Jun 22 14:01 |
| schestowitz | Well, it's gone now | Jun 22 14:01 |
| schestowitz | Firefox is still bloatd though | Jun 22 14:01 |
| schestowitz | It insists on occupying around half a gig of ram | Jun 22 14:02 |
| MinceR | you could create a separate profile for rarely used buggy/bloated extensions/plugins | Jun 22 14:03 |
| MinceR | i have Trash disabled in my default profile and i have a separate "trash" profile for it | Jun 22 14:03 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: half a g is down it what it use to want. | Jun 22 14:06 |
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| schestowitz | over 400MB.BLOODY hell... | Jun 22 18:15 |
| schestowitz | And it's a fairly fresh/new sessiomn | Jun 22 18:15 |
| ender_33 | aren't you an atheist | Jun 22 18:17 |
| schestowitz | I don't define myself/my understanding by negeation | Jun 22 18:18 |
| schestowitz | negation is for people who imply a presupposed existence of unproven things | Jun 22 18:18 |
| schestowitz | I am not an herbal remedy antagonist | Jun 22 18:19 |
| schestowitz | I am a proponent of real medicine | Jun 22 18:19 |
| MinceR | how did that come up anyway? | Jun 22 18:56 |
| schestowitz | I wondered the same thing and though that it was me using the word hell, which I put down in all lowercase | Jun 22 19:05 |
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| schestowitz | Bad people do to Dell | Jun 22 19:05 |
| schestowitz | And Bell | Jun 22 19:05 |
| schestowitz | And Hale (Greater Manchsster) | Jun 22 19:06 |
| MinceR | hell is other people. | Jun 22 19:08 |
| ender_33 | how do you believe in the existence of a place of damnation invented by religion | Jun 22 19:36 |
| ender_33 | that was the point | Jun 22 19:37 |
| ender_33 | lol | Jun 22 19:37 |
| ender_33 | or do you mean hell as in 'this is balls' | Jun 22 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | it's entering the vocabulary like "google [v]" (lowercase) | Jun 22 19:44 |
| MinceR | this place of damnation was not invented by religion | Jun 22 19:47 |
| MinceR | this planet is a very real place | Jun 22 19:47 |
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