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schestowitzwowJun 01 00:20
schestowitzOne hour on the phone with this IBM PR guyJun 01 00:21
schestowitzTrying to gag meJun 01 00:21
schestowitzand wanting to call again tomorrJun 01 00:21
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schestowitz> Nokia/Qt used to pay for development through sales on non-Free licensesJun 01 09:40
schestowitz> of Qt.  That was the beauty of the dual licensing business model.  ByJun 01 09:40
schestowitz> going LGPL, they cut off that funding supply.Jun 01 09:40
schestowitz> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/may/31/nokia-shares-dive-profit-warningJun 01 09:40
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Nokia shares dive after sales warning | Technology | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 212.73 KBJun 01 09:40
MinceRby going LGPL, they also made Qt able to compete with GTK+ :>Jun 01 10:20
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schestowitzhttp://www.moinid.com/ideas/2010/06/home-surfing.jpgJun 01 15:15
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schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/ljVKr.jpgJun 01 15:16
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schestowitzLOL http://i.imgur.com/fbXqV.gifJun 01 15:24
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schestowitzBeard talk... https://identi.ca/notice/75087417 https://identi.ca/notice/75087464Jun 01 15:28
TechrightsBot-sc@Claudio (claudiom)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 14:16:46 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Heh, that takes me about a week or so, & from then on it's just lots of TLC. :-)Jun 01 15:28
TechrightsBot-sc@Claudio (claudiom)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 14:17:25 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz And it's better now that it's getting all salt-and-pepper. ;-)Jun 01 15:28
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75087852Jun 01 15:29
TechrightsBot-sc@Moshe Njema (nj3ma)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 14:22:31 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Kororaa is a  phlegm wad in !Nairobi streetspeak. Name doesn't translate well here I am afraid. Perils of i18nJun 01 15:29
schestowitzHehe. Tell Chris.Jun 01 15:29
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75090267Jun 01 16:24
TechrightsBot-sc@agentsmith's status on Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 14:59:32 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Gr8, I'm a Buddhism sympathizer myself, but the link didn't come... ;-)Jun 01 16:24
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/explodingwalrus/status/75933427932729346Jun 01 16:27
TechrightsBot-sc@explodingwalrus: @schestowitz funny actually as up until about 1984, Mercury didn't even have a tache :)Jun 01 16:27
schestowitzDidn't know that...Jun 01 16:27
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75092760Jun 01 16:40
TechrightsBot-sc@Ariel Vernaza (dsapandora)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 15:30:02 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz :p lol sorry if i was rude, i was talking about the chart n.~Jun 01 16:40
schestowitzChart shows more GNU in GNU/Linux than LinuxJun 01 16:40
schestowitzSomeone thought I was dissing GNUJun 01 16:40
MinceRwhich chart?Jun 01 16:45
schestowitzhttp://pedrocr.net/text/how-much-gnu-in-gnu-linuxJun 01 16:53
TechrightsBot-scTitle: How much GNU is there in GNU/Linux? - Split Perspective by Pedro Côrte-Real .::. Size~: 5.39 KBJun 01 16:53
MinceRthxJun 01 16:54
ender_33BRANDON,Jun 01 17:23
ender_33Celebrate the arrival of Windows Phone on Verizon with a free Xbox 360 game.¹ You can choose from Halo Reach, Kinect Sports, or Lode Runner when you buy the HTC Trophy.. Jun 01 17:23
ender_33Get the only phone with Office, Xbox LIVE, and thousands of apps.plus these features: Jun 01 17:23
ender_33A pinch-to-zoom, 3.8-inch screenJun 01 17:23
ender_33SRS surround soundJun 01 17:23
ender_335MP camera/720p HD video recordingJun 01 17:23
MinceRlolJun 01 17:24
ender_33their spam bots need brainsJun 01 17:27
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75084623Jun 01 17:29
TechrightsBot-sc@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 13:38:17 UTC - Identi.ca: How much GNU is there in GNU/Linux? http://is.gd/E0gSPM About as much as !Linux but #KDE around same levels. !fsf !gnuJun 01 17:29
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: How much GNU is there in GNU/Linux? - Split Perspective by Pedro Côrte-Real .::. Size~: 5.39 KBJun 01 17:30
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75081997Jun 01 17:30
TechrightsBot-sc@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 13:03:48 UTC - Identi.ca: CH Parliamentarian: Schools should use open source to inspire students  http://is.gd/bCwnz9 Freedom software is more than inspiringJun 01 17:31
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: CH Parliamentarian: Schools should use open source to inspire students — .::. Size~: 28.99 KBJun 01 17:31
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75104533Jun 01 19:39
TechrightsBot-sc@Bruno Miguel (brunomiguel)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 18:16:33 UTC - Identi.ca: libertem-se ;) ♺ @schestowitz: #Mint 11 Screenshots http://is.gd/IPomx1 #linuxmint #gnuJun 01 19:39
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: Mint 11 Screenshots | Linux, BSD, Solaris & Other OS Screenshots | The Leader in Linux, BSD, Solaris & Other OS Screenshots | Screen Shots of Linux Distributions, BSD, Solaris & Other OSes | Linux, BSD, Solaris & Other OS Screenshot Gallery .::. Size~: 25.34 KBJun 01 19:39
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/agonarch/status/75987624292122624Jun 01 19:41
TechrightsBot-sc@agonarch: @Schestowitz He doesn't know what is going on and tries to gather infoJun 01 19:41
schestowitzMy reckoning is that he is being briefed a lot by Microsoft PR, e.g. regarding stories which with he can smear FOSS. They use him.Jun 01 19:41
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/Zsf1O.jpgJun 01 19:47
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75105990Jun 01 19:48
TechrightsBot-sc@Wayne Borean (wayneborean)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 18:37:38 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Problems are of S. Jobs own devising. He starves FoxCon for cash, then it can't expand to meet production requirements.Jun 01 19:48
schestowitzMinceR: niceJun 01 19:49
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75106415Jun 01 19:49
TechrightsBot-sc@Wayne Borean (wayneborean)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 18:44:38 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Just ignore @FOSSpatents - I looked at his blog once, and couldn't find a single article where he was right.Jun 01 19:49
schestowitzIt's like reading the Microsoft plan against Linux. He is one among several of what they call "pawns in the battle".Jun 01 19:50
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75106535Jun 01 19:51
TechrightsBot-sc@Wayne Borean (wayneborean)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 18:46:21 UTC - Identi.ca: @rsandu @bob_sutor @glynmoody @mjasay @schestowitz #Apache taking over #ooorg is the best news for the #documentfoundation.Jun 01 19:51
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75106607Jun 01 19:52
TechrightsBot-sc@Wayne Borean (wayneborean)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 18:47:21 UTC - Identi.ca: @rsandu @bob_sutor @glynmoody @mjasay @schestowitz Free Software Darwinism will drive innovation faster and faster. Great news.Jun 01 19:52
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75106607Jun 01 19:52
TechrightsBot-sc@Wayne Borean (wayneborean)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 18:47:21 UTC - Identi.ca: @rsandu @bob_sutor @glynmoody @mjasay @schestowitz Free Software Darwinism will drive innovation faster and faster. Great news.Jun 01 19:52
schestowitzMinceR: from someone who saw 'your' imageJun 01 19:53
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75106633Jun 01 19:53
TechrightsBot-sc@agentsmith's status on Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 18:47:42 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Very impressiveJun 01 19:53
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75101500Jun 01 19:58
TechrightsBot-sc@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 17:29:15 UTC - Identi.ca: Will #Microsoft pay its 1.3 billion EU fine in 1 cent coins, too?Jun 01 19:58
schestowitzhttp://www.next.co.uk/model-competition-2011/vote-for-me-idgek9j984/Jun 01 20:29
TechrightsBot-scTitle: View Entry In The Model Competition | Next Model Competition 2011 | Next Official Site .::. Size~: 132.41 KBJun 01 20:29
schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/ZkxrK.jpgJun 01 20:33
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schestowitzhttp://imgur.com/JZSMIJun 01 20:34
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schestowitzBut will it capitalise Jobs and Apple? :-)Jun 01 20:35
MinceRwell, it makes senseJun 01 20:37
MinceRgod is also used as a non-proper nounJun 01 20:37
MinceRsatan isn'tJun 01 20:38
MinceRcapitalizing "god" is christian-centricJun 01 20:38
MinceRtoday i had a little adventure with autocorrect in outlookJun 01 20:38
schestowitzOsama->Obama or vice versa?Jun 01 20:43
MinceRvegre->vergeJun 01 20:43
MinceR(a hungarian word without no accents->an english word)Jun 01 20:44
MinceRand i almost missed itJun 01 20:44
MinceRfirst i thought i made a typoJun 01 20:44
MinceRthen i noticed this pathetic mail client imitation is fucking with meJun 01 20:44
schestowitzit's worse with grammar checkersJun 01 20:48
schestowitzFP (false positives) make them a waste of time sometimesJun 01 20:49
schestowitzYou write something decentJun 01 20:49
schestowitzAnd usually you'd carry onJun 01 20:49
schestowitzBut then you struggle with a dummy program, which wrongly insists you did nothing wrongJun 01 20:49
MinceRat least grammar checkers don't shit all over what i've writtenJun 01 20:49
MinceRthey just put an annoying underlineJun 01 20:49
schestowitzFor people with poor grammar it might be handyJun 01 20:49
MinceRm$ crap decides to rewrite what i've writtenJun 01 20:49
schestowitzotherwise, proofreading catches all the same stuffJun 01 20:49
schestowitzOHHHHJun 01 20:50
schestowitzYes, OfficeJun 01 20:50
schestowitzIt auto-correctsJun 01 20:50
schestowitz"corrects"Jun 01 20:50
MinceRauto-corWreckJun 01 20:50
schestowitzTurning spreadsheets into sh*tJun 01 20:50
schestowitzAnd documents into something you never wroteJun 01 20:50
schestowitzWhich can then embarrass youJun 01 20:50
MinceRnah, the spreadsheets get a more effective treatment called "calculation bugs"Jun 01 20:50
MinceRwhere you get all sorts of wrong resultsJun 01 20:50
schestowitzWell, you can disable auto-correctJun 01 20:50
MinceRand on top of that some values are displayed incorrectlyJun 01 20:50
schestowitzMy Palm insists on capitalising new sentenceJun 01 20:50
MinceRi did disable it after thisJun 01 20:50
MinceRbut it should be opt-in, not opt-outJun 01 20:51
schestowitzAlso very annoying as disabling this is not simple to think about (habits)Jun 01 20:51
MinceRat least it should realize that the text isn't written in the language it expected it to beJun 01 20:51
MinceR(even if it doesn't handle accentless hungarian)Jun 01 20:51
schestowitz[20:51] <MinceR> but it should be opt-in, not opt-outJun 01 20:51
schestowitzbut they need selling pointsJun 01 20:51
MinceRmost mobile OSes seem to have a thing for auto-capitalization, unfortunatelyJun 01 20:51
schestowitz"Buy the new version, coz..."Jun 01 20:51
schestowitzThey try to show you the glory of feeeechure bloatJun 01 20:52
MinceR"you don't have to use the worst email client imitation around" would be a big selling pointJun 01 20:52
MinceR:>Jun 01 20:52
*schestowitz edits texts in kateJun 01 20:52
schestowitzor lyx if I add equationsJun 01 20:52
*MinceR edits texts in gvimJun 01 20:52
ender_33So the first and the very negative answer is that I absolutely despise the people who try to push the GPL as being about "ethics".Jun 01 20:52
schestowitzWOWJun 01 20:52
ender_33ughJun 01 20:52
schestowitzLinus!!!Jun 01 20:52
schestowitzWhat a word of GodJun 01 20:53
ender_33middle click by accidentJun 01 20:53
ender_33lolJun 01 20:53
schestowitzTBH, it's JobismJun 01 20:53
ender_33pragmatismJun 01 20:53
schestowitzI don't weigh his opinion on the FSF more highly than Cox'sJun 01 20:53
schestowitzWho BTW is more politeJun 01 20:53
MinceRi prefer more tangible angles to the GPLJun 01 20:53
schestowitzit protects meJun 01 20:53
schestowitzEthical to meJun 01 20:54
schestowitzMaybe Linus does not always understand or maybe people who contact him are faux FSFersJun 01 20:54
schestowitzIn my mails to Linus I explained the pragmatic angle, about patentsJun 01 20:54
MinceRdefense against m$, defense against patent-based lockout and the practical advantages of free software (greater usefulness, better security, longevity, not having to worry about so much legal text)Jun 01 20:54
schestowitzAnd why GPLv3 takes it a step further to protectJun 01 20:54
schestowitzLinus then told me that it would only exclude TomTom....Jun 01 20:55
MinceRit seems to me that Linus wants to allow tivoization and such crapJun 01 20:55
schestowitzSo basically, he's OK with linus being taxed by Microsoft as long as it's being used, which is fair enoughJun 01 20:55
schestowitzBut I never pushed "ethics" to himJun 01 20:55
ender_33isn't it better to have alinux powered tivo you can't modify vs a windows ce powered oneJun 01 20:55
schestowitzEthics just happen to be practicalJun 01 20:55
MinceRit isJun 01 20:55
MinceRbut it's even better to have a linux-powered tivo that you can modifyJun 01 20:56
schestowitzWhy do you think people helped Torvalds and not BSD or HURD?Jun 01 20:56
schestowitzMaybe the licence he chose helpedJun 01 20:56
MinceRschestowitz: GPL. also, iirc BSD had legal troubles when Linux startedJun 01 20:56
ender_33GPL isn't the only license out there thoughJun 01 20:56
MinceR(which of course got resolved)Jun 01 20:56
MinceRender_33: duh.Jun 01 20:56
ender_33people DO help out BSDJun 01 20:56
schestowitzIf I were T'so back then, would I give code to something which can have patents discriminate me 'away' or have me locked out when someone like Mac Asay proprietarises my work?Jun 01 20:56
schestowitz"appropriates+" :-)Jun 01 20:56
schestowitz[20:56] <MinceR> but it's even better to have a linux-powered tivo that you can modifyJun 01 20:57
schestowitzTiVo would not dump LinuxJun 01 20:57
schestowitzThey would have to get a new versionJun 01 20:57
schestowitzAnd maybe adapt to pricing and GPLv3Jun 01 20:57
schestowitzLike sell the box at a higher price and allow the geeks to mod itJun 01 20:57
MinceRi think Linux is in a powerful enough position in the embedded marketJun 01 20:57
schestowitzNo big deal, they wanna be SCOnyJun 01 20:58
MinceRand manufacturers could probably still say "if you reflash it, your warranty is void"Jun 01 20:58
schestowitzyesJun 01 20:58
schestowitzLike some Android phonsJun 01 20:58
MinceRand regardless of that, most users wouldn't even be aware of the possibility anywayJun 01 20:58
schestowitz!google htc removed boot limitationJun 01 20:58
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schestowitzMinceR: yes, exactlyJun 01 20:59
MinceRso whatever stupid trick they rely on immutability for would probably still work on the masses anywayJun 01 20:59
schestowitzT hey worry as though people in the street would sell modded tivo boxes as lightweigfh PCSJun 01 20:59
MinceRwell, maybe thatJun 01 20:59
schestowitzPS3 pricing did not have everyone replace all x86 DCs with CellJun 01 21:00
schestowitzLinux holds TiVo by the ballsJun 01 21:00
schestowitznot the other way aroundJun 01 21:00
schestowitzHe could adopt gplv3, the tricky part is telling this to all those with copyright on parts of LinuxJun 01 21:00
schestowitzBut they too would eventually man up and face the inevitableJun 01 21:01
MinceRthey could at least start collecting permission and phasing out old codeJun 01 21:01
schestowitzLike me having to accept BSD for some of my code which I wanted in GPLJun 01 21:01
MinceRit would probably be a lengthy process anywayJun 01 21:01
schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/5zTIV.pngJun 01 21:02
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schestowitzOOLJun 01 21:02
MinceRthere's no 'P' in our "OOL", let's keep it that way?Jun 01 21:02
schestowitzHeh. Typo.Jun 01 21:02
schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/VhbOD.jpgJun 01 21:02
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MinceR:DJun 01 21:02
schestowitz LOL http://i.imgur.com/8bebi.jpgJun 01 21:03
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schestowitzAsdictive page. OK, back to real news...Jun 01 21:03
MinceR:DJun 01 21:03
schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/t6SDx.jpg+Jun 01 21:03
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schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/t6SDx.jpgJun 01 21:03
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schestowitzCan't help it...Jun 01 21:03
schestowitzWow. read the comments in http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2011/06/oracle-gives-openoffice-to-apa.htmlJun 01 21:11
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Oracle gives OpenOffice to Apache - What a Terrible move. - InternetNews:The Blog - Sean Michael Kerner .::. Size~: 121.34 KBJun 01 21:11
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schestowitz> Hi Roy,Jun 01 21:18
schestowitz> Jun 01 21:18
schestowitz> Coming back to this topic and far from being a technical expert, if possibleJun 01 21:18
schestowitz> just wanted to kindly ask if you could give my colleagues, Catalin andJun 01 21:18
schestowitz> Eugen, a more detailed description of the main points that you would like toJun 01 21:18
schestowitz> see written down in our Cubrid related article.Jun 01 21:18
schestowitz> Jun 01 21:19
schestowitz> As previously explained, on a very high level, Cubrid is an open source SQLJun 01 21:19
schestowitz> database aiming to become an alternative to MySQL database in the nearJun 01 21:19
schestowitz> future.Jun 01 21:19
schestowitz> Jun 01 21:19
schestowitz> We would very much want to raise the awareness and let people know aboutJun 01 21:19
schestowitz> Cubrid (by the way our Cubrid related programming contest has just startedJun 01 21:19
schestowitz> today - please see www.cubrid.org/cubrid_it), so we would very muchJun 01 21:19
schestowitz> appreciate a good post on such an important online publication asJun 01 21:19
schestowitz> techrights.org is - please provide us with all details that would be ofJun 01 21:19
schestowitz> interest for you in order to publish this article.Jun 01 21:19
schestowitz> Jun 01 21:19
schestowitz> Jun 01 21:19
schestowitz> Looking forward to hearing from you soon.Jun 01 21:19
schestowitzHi Adrian,Jun 01 21:19
schestowitzRather than put a promotional article I would like for the project's team to explain the work in the context of software freedom. In particular -- the relationship between free/open source database systems and access to one's data.Jun 01 21:19
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schestowitzAbout MSFTJun 01 22:07
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/agonarch/status/76025702280990720Jun 01 22:07
TechrightsBot-sc@agonarch: @schestowitz They are too smart to get into knee-jerk negative campaigning.Jun 01 22:07
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/agonarch/status/76030853175721985Jun 01 22:08
TechrightsBot-sc@agonarch: @schestowitz Garbage in, garbage out. Beats about the  bush.Jun 01 22:08
schestowitzMeanwhile Android keeps growingJun 01 22:08
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schestowitzTJ does characters... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzclklHXXEkJun 01 22:36
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schestowitzWrong window http://i.imgur.com/uDQA0.jpgJun 01 22:38
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schestowitzhttp://lolzombie.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/6a0115710274df970c0128760a11f7970c-500wi.jpgJun 01 22:39
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schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/WuOR7.jpgJun 01 22:39
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schestowitzwho is this rotdl due you speak of? :-)Jun 01 22:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/palmerv0r/status/76033712227237888Jun 01 22:59
TechrightsBot-sc@palmerv0r: @schestowitz odd minor versions are the development branches. So I suspect there may already be a Linux 3.1Jun 01 22:59
schestowitzNot 3.0.1?Jun 01 22:59
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75113695Jun 01 23:04
TechrightsBot-sc@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 20:40:06 UTC - Identi.ca: "Google's Android operating system accounted for 36 percent of U.S. smartphone market " (acc. to private data) http://is.gd/XaSsav !linuxJun 01 23:04
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: Smartphone OS wars settling into a stalemate? - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 57.94 KBJun 01 23:04

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