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| schestowitz | MinceR: see | Jun 07 12:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/ | Jun 07 12:18 |
| schestowitz | In "[Very NSFW]" | Jun 07 12:18 |
| schestowitz | WTH? Reddit allows this? | Jun 07 12:18 |
| MinceR | yes | Jun 07 12:19 |
| schestowitz | Weird... it can put the whole site on net filters | Jun 07 12:33 |
| MinceR | those filters suck | Jun 07 12:37 |
| MinceR | and should not be used | Jun 07 12:37 |
| schestowitz | Employers don't care | Jun 07 12:37 |
| MinceR | i doubt that getting through corporate filters is among reddit's goals :> | Jun 07 12:38 |
| MinceR | then again, they could try SSH tunnels, VPNs or proxies :> | Jun 07 12:38 |
| schestowitz | Many would nor bother | Jun 07 12:39 |
| schestowitz | *not | Jun 07 12:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: issue is a ssh link or a vpn link even a tor link is not that invisable. | Jun 07 12:40 |
| abeNd-org | meh, as a ssyadmin, id love to block all websurfing & whitelist what is really required for work...which after the user having to request permission from some higherup, would be a pretty short list | Jun 07 12:42 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: some companies tolerate SSH links | Jun 07 12:42 |
| MinceR | then again, i do have a GSM/UMTS link ready if all else fails :> | Jun 07 12:43 |
| abeNd-org | & block all ports, only open up those necessary | Jun 07 12:43 |
| oiaohm | Note the word some. | Jun 07 12:43 |
| MinceR | i would not use web filtering | Jun 07 12:43 |
| abeNd-org | yeah, not sure about people with laptops & wifi tethers | Jun 07 12:43 |
| MinceR | it's not the best way to convince workers to not browse pr0n instead of working | Jun 07 12:43 |
| oiaohm | Yep I use if you are caught were you should not be fired method. | Jun 07 12:44 |
| MinceR | otherwise it just reduces efficiency as people have to ask access to various reference sites they need | Jun 07 12:44 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: exactly | Jun 07 12:44 |
| MinceR | or even just "if your performance is impacted noticeably by it" | Jun 07 12:44 |
| oiaohm | Of course I still have a monitor | Jun 07 12:44 |
| oiaohm | Odd sites equal look at X person closer | Jun 07 12:44 |
| oiaohm | Lot of times it either virus or no good. | Jun 07 12:45 |
| abeNd-org | you have to protect them from themselves. i was scheduled to remote control into some guy's computer in another state, i hop in, dude was on nasty shit...blames it on spyware on the computer (onboard AV & multiple virus/spyware cleaners showed it clean) | Jun 07 12:45 |
| MinceR | there are other ways of doing so, though | Jun 07 12:46 |
| abeNd-org | if you remove the carrot... | Jun 07 12:46 |
| MinceR | you can educate the users, switch them to a more secure OS, let them run at lesser privileges, restrict what they can execute | Jun 07 12:47 |
| MinceR | (these are mostly independent options) | Jun 07 12:47 |
| abeNd-org | "oh ill just check scores on espn real quick" 30 minutes later, no work done, but you know which how much the moron who shot himself in the leg is being offered to play in the nfl again | Jun 07 12:47 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: I have had the case of someone else using the person login. | Jun 07 12:48 |
| abeNd-org | there are some users who refuse to be educated, some of which of course "know more than any stupid IT person", so no matter what OS you put them on, how much you lock them down, they are going to try to find that pr0n | Jun 07 12:48 |
| oiaohm | Reason why I normally have the bad habit of using cams near there locations as well. | Jun 07 12:48 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: I did have one of those people I could not fire. | Jun 07 12:49 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: I just disconnected his login from internet access rights. | Jun 07 12:49 |
| abeNd-org | oh, shared logins, thats usually a pretty bad infraction of the company computer use policy | Jun 07 12:49 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: reason why I said no good. | Jun 07 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Its normally a infraction of someform | Jun 07 12:49 |
| abeNd-org | and now illegal in Tennessee lol | Jun 07 12:50 |
| oiaohm | Just what one. | Jun 07 12:50 |
| abeNd-org | yes, & usually IT is the one that gets in trouble for enforcing the rules, management usually goes spinless | Jun 07 12:50 |
| MinceR | abeNd-org: now are you talking about pr0n or malware? | Jun 07 12:52 |
| MinceR | different problems, different solutions | Jun 07 12:52 |
| abeNd-org | end users will blame bad surfing habits on malware | Jun 07 12:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Really in a lot of cases they are the same problem. | Jun 07 12:53 |
| abeNd-org | get caught surfing pr0n, blame it on malware, you are off scott free | Jun 07 12:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Lot of porn sites are malware loaded weapons. | Jun 07 12:53 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: Again that depends on method and rules. | Jun 07 12:53 |
| abeNd-org | so even if the computer does scan clean with multiple scanners afterwards, management will just say it was malware & thats ok | Jun 07 12:53 |
| MinceR | abeNd-org: then your problem is gullible admins/management | Jun 07 12:54 |
| abeNd-org | mincer welcome to business worldwide | Jun 07 12:54 |
| abeNd-org | you have just described middle management in nearly every company in the world | Jun 07 12:54 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: I guess you don't have a required internet reeducation program. With internet access revoked until passed incase of infection, | Jun 07 12:55 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 07 12:55 |
| oiaohm | I have to redo certifications if my servers get busted. | Jun 07 12:55 |
| oiaohm | And I managed to get that past boss. | Jun 07 12:55 |
| oiaohm | Ie it was only fair. | Jun 07 12:55 |
| abeNd-org | oiaohm: even if a company policy says that, management never enforces it. unwilling/spineless management is just as bad as real malware | Jun 07 12:55 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: Problem guess who has the Internet on off switch. | Jun 07 12:56 |
| abeNd-org | yes, you do that, said user complains to management, & guess who is in trouble? IT, because you "just turned off the person's ability to work" | Jun 07 12:57 |
| MinceR | web filters also hinder/"turn off" the person's ability to work | Jun 07 12:58 |
| MinceR | i've seen a badly configured proxy filter the google results page | Jun 07 12:58 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 07 12:58 |
| MinceR | even though it was aimed at pr0n | Jun 07 12:58 |
| abeNd-org | id still say a whitelist is the way to go, you *prove* you need the website for work purposes | Jun 07 12:59 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: Really that is the funny part. When its in the company policy. | Jun 07 12:59 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: My job it to run network to company policy. | Jun 07 12:59 |
| abeNd-org | 9 times out of 10 your martha stewart or fantasy football site isnt going to make the cut :P | Jun 07 13:00 |
| MinceR | proving the website is for work purposes introduces delay and extra administration | Jun 07 13:00 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: Yes meeting to change company police for 1 odd person vs firing them. | Jun 07 13:00 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: Normally it was a bad move for the person to try to go over my head. | Jun 07 13:00 |
| abeNd-org | oiaohm: it is a rare company that even remotely respects IT | Jun 07 13:01 |
| abeNd-org | most dont | Jun 07 13:01 |
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| oiaohm | abeNd-org: Note I point out to boss that person could pay for their own 3g modem. | Jun 07 13:01 |
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| oiaohm | abeNd-org: so while they are banned they are cheaper for the business as well. | Jun 07 13:01 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: Yes I am a BOFH. That knows that money talks. | Jun 07 13:02 |
| abeNd-org | gotta love the bofh :) especially when management actually lets them do their job | Jun 07 13:04 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: More I learnt to speak boss. | Jun 07 13:04 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: Until then I could not do my job. | Jun 07 13:04 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: rule one make sure that enforcement equals company cost savings. | Jun 07 13:05 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: rule to make sure that instructions when banned are simple and idiot proff the use the expensive path. | Jun 07 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Result no problem users game to complain. | Jun 07 13:06 |
| oiaohm | It was nice to get asked nicely todo things after i worked out boss. | Jun 07 13:06 |
| abeNd-org | yea, most bosses arent willing to listen to IT, since some of the enforcement would mean his losing access to fantasy football at work | Jun 07 13:07 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: Note I am a realy a BOFH that has learnt Boss | Jun 07 13:09 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: So yes I do make it fully appear as cost saving alterations to the rules. | Jun 07 13:09 |
| oiaohm | That do result in cost savings. | Jun 07 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Yes I knew exactly how many people were doing stuff wrong before putting them forwards. | Jun 07 13:10 |
| oiaohm | One thing you can depend on them not doing is reading all the fine print. | Jun 07 13:11 |
| abeNd-org | there are some boss that refuse to cooperate, sometimes you get the guy who asks why you spend so much money on access points when his linksys at home works great for him, & no amount of education will convince him otherwise | Jun 07 13:13 |
| oiaohm | Nothing strange their | Jun 07 13:15 |
| oiaohm | And its normally a failure to speak boss. | Jun 07 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Lot of times I have been using flashed linksys's in the business anyhow. | Jun 07 13:16 |
| abeNd-org | tomato/ddr-wrt? | Jun 07 13:17 |
| oiaohm | Custom. abeNd-org | Jun 07 13:17 |
| abeNd-org | cant say ive looked into seeing if those allow for roaming between APs, radius, etc | Jun 07 13:17 |
| oiaohm | Ie freewrt up basically. Lot of things are differnet to either | Jun 07 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Like for one no web interface. | Jun 07 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Infact no old style ssh either. | Jun 07 13:18 |
| oiaohm | They are single packet knock to open the means to send a fresh configuration. | Jun 07 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Attackers chance of doing something to them is basically nil. | Jun 07 13:19 |
| oiaohm | I still remember a new staff memember thinking one had to be dead because he could not find a control interface. | Jun 07 13:22 |
| abeNd-org | well, *usually* there would be some https/ssh interface, or if not that, its a dumb access point run by a central controller interface | Jun 07 13:23 |
| oiaohm | These are not dumb but yes are centeral controlled. | Jun 07 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Turned out the new guy was trying to let a person higher up access just for them. | Jun 07 13:25 |
| abeNd-org | so freewrt is centrally managed? slick, i might have to check that out | Jun 07 13:25 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: Not by default. | Jun 07 13:25 |
| abeNd-org | ah, that is some of your custom coding? | Jun 07 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Jun 07 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Yes poor attacker to hit these does not know what he is in for. | Jun 07 13:26 |
| abeNd-org | well, not every sysadmin can code up a custom WAP/controller system :P | Jun 07 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Core parts are not my own. | Jun 07 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Like there are plenty of open source good quality single packet port knocking software that works. | Jun 07 13:28 |
| abeNd-org | then there is also trying to convince *my* boss to try solutions like that, if its not cisco its not an option kinda guy | Jun 07 13:30 |
| oiaohm | Fun cfengine is what is pushing out the configurations. abeNd-org | Jun 07 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Basically what I am using is prity stock. | Jun 07 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Other than the fact I hide the cfengine interface. | Jun 07 13:33 |
| MinceR | lol cisco | Jun 07 13:33 |
| oiaohm | And there is no other interface. | Jun 07 13:33 |
| abeNd-org | meh, i have to head into the office, yay traffic... | Jun 07 13:33 |
| abeNd-org | have to talk to you more about alternative wireless solutions when i get a chance | Jun 07 13:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/hte7l/just_stare_into_the_teeth_soon_the_picture_will/ | Jun 07 13:44 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Just stare into the teeth. Soon the picture will horrify you. : funny .::. Size~: 79.54 KB | Jun 07 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Really some day what I do with freewrt I really should release. | Jun 07 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Its simple and provides exact trackablity to who ever stuffed a modem up. | Jun 07 13:45 |
| oiaohm | If it was staff | Jun 07 13:45 |
| oiaohm | great word swap | Jun 07 13:46 |
| oiaohm | modem for wireless access point | Jun 07 13:46 |
| oiaohm | I wish it did modems. | Jun 07 13:46 |
| MinceR | http://imgur.com/INsIT | Jun 07 14:00 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: some children are really intelligent ! - Imgur .::. Size~: 9.52 KB | Jun 07 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Nice MinceR | Jun 07 14:05 |
| schestowitz | http://imgur.com/33mUo | Jun 07 14:19 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Be careful what you post on Facebook [nsfw] - Imgur .::. Size~: 9.22 KB | Jun 07 14:19 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/77424161735192576 | Jun 07 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @FOSSpatents: @stephenrwalli I'm at least 1,000 times more concerned about little app developers (on whatever platform) than the likes of Google Moto HTC | Jun 07 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Talking to Microsofters | Jun 07 14:25 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Jun 07 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 07 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > After this keynote, I echo RMS' concerns about who owns/controls "The | Jun 07 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > Cloud". Despite all the cool syncing it is still about hosted services. | Jun 07 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Apple would sooner or later have mentioned "Cloud" iSomething. I'm not sure what cloud means in this context, but anything in a computer that acts as a service is a 'cloud'. When companies use the word they mean that the distance is increased, e.g. your data is outside the enterprise and obviously outside the computer. RMS cares about the danger of abuse of power by another party, which probably matters more when you are not | Jun 07 17:03 |
| schestowitz | an obedience Westerner following instructions like a sheep. For everyone else, this 'cloud' thing is a major risk. Even the Hollywood mafia has control over everything. Computers replace people, but are these 'people' whom you can trust? If not, then you remain weak and isolated. Even forming a union becomes a challenge. | Jun 07 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | > ...where are you on ODF now in general and the Fellowship | Jun 07 17:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 07 17:14 |
| schestowitz | > @Roy, a possible concern, something to watch with IBM and the code and | Jun 07 17:14 |
| schestowitz | > controling Oasis TC is this: | Jun 07 17:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 07 17:14 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/12/those-who-forget-santayana.html | Jun 07 17:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 07 17:14 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Those who forget Santayana… .::. Size~: 56.39 KB | Jun 07 17:14 |
| schestowitz | > "Those who control the exchange format, can control interoperability and | Jun 07 17:14 |
| schestowitz | > turn it on or off like a water faucet to meet their business objectives." | Jun 07 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm.. | Jun 07 17:26 |
| schestowitz | I partly got into neophilia (following news) because of compile time and having to run large experiments.. all these years later I still do the same | Jun 07 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Just occurred to me | Jun 07 17:27 |
| schestowitz | http://lockerz.com/s/108370461 | Jun 07 18:13 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Lockerz.com .:. Lindsey Cormack's Photos - Oh I think you do - person I just passed on UWS .::. Size~: 26.22 KB | Jun 07 18:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/hto5y/a_man_was_hospitalized_with_six_plastic_horses_up/ | Jun 07 18:26 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: A man was hospitalized with six plastic horses up his ass : funny .::. Size~: 98.52 KB | Jun 07 18:26 |
| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/TRRRj.jpg | Jun 07 18:27 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Jun 07 18:27 |
| ender_33 | neophilia? | Jun 07 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | you kno what philia means, right? | Jun 07 19:22 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neophilia | Jun 07 19:23 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Neophile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 29.1 KB | Jun 07 19:23 |
| schestowitz | "Neophile or Neophiliac is a term used by counterculture cult writer Robert Anton Wilson to describe a particular type of personality. A neophile or neophiliac can be defined as a personality type characterized by a strong affinity for novelty. The phrase was used earlier by Christopher Booker in his book The Neophiliacs (1969)." | Jun 07 19:23 |
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