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sebsebsebschestowitz: host name thing well not a big deal ^Jun 10 01:02
sebsebseb,but still hmmJun 10 01:02
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schestowitz https://identi.ca/notice/75846709 Jun 10 05:03
TechrightsBot-sc@Ted Smith (tedks)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jun-11 19:26:33 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz "for slavery"? Could you elaborate?Jun 10 05:03
schestowitzGiving nations predatory loans they cannot pay back except by mortgaging the life of the future generation/sJun 10 05:03
schestowitz https://identi.ca/notice/75846032Jun 10 05:03
TechrightsBot-sc@Stefano Maffulli (smaffulli)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jun-11 19:13:58 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz #Bitcoin doesn't need to be 'attacked': it's a cool experiment but probably nothing more than that http://is.gd/Ut50jQJun 10 05:03
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: Bitcoin’s Collusion Problem | Bottom-up .::. Size~: 76.33 KBJun 10 05:03
schestowitz https://identi.ca/notice/75846393Jun 10 05:03
TechrightsBot-sc@satipera (satipera)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jun-11 19:20:23 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz They will not want to loose control of the money game. I can see using or possessing Bitcoins becoming very serious offences.Jun 10 05:03
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ender2070msb_ socialist demands more war http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/blair-demands-more-allied-military-action-2294865.htmlJun 10 05:41
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Blair demands more allied military action  -                     World Politics, World - The Independent .::. Size~: 85.91 KBJun 10 05:41
ender2070blair is in the fabian societyJun 10 05:41
ender2070:PJun 10 05:41
ender2070dumbassJun 10 05:41
ender2070http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=54851&t=China%3A+++Forced+abortions+in+China%3A+you+%28and+the+UN%29+are+funding+themJun 10 05:43
TechrightsBot-scTitle: China:   Forced abortions in China: you (and the UN) are funding them | Spero News .::. Size~: 36.61 KBJun 10 05:43
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schestowitz"@wayneborean the top banner in your blog is 230K (!!), might be worth reducing this massive file by factor of 10."Jun 10 10:44
schestowitzdesign failJun 10 10:44
schestowitzLOL http://www.gadget.co.za/pebble.asp?relid=3164Jun 10 10:57
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Gadget Web Site - Kaspersky Lab secures Linux .::. Size~: 24.22 KBJun 10 10:57
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schestowitzTTA is getting the same sort of trolling we get.. anarchists and stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csvruaf14Z4Jun 10 11:43
TechrightsBot-scTitle: YouTube         - ‪Religion and Politics:  The Thinking Atheist Radio Podcast #25‬‏ .::. Size~: 120.14 KBJun 10 11:43
schestowitzI actually raises an important pointJun 10 11:51
schestowitzBelief in govt. can become like a belief in detyJun 10 11:51
schestowitzTo assume that without, there is no order or ethicsJun 10 11:51
schestowitzAnd to argue that there must be a govt. is like arguing there must be a creatorJun 10 11:51
schestowitzI think govt. are needed just because there are so many people in the modern age, food and territory are limitedJun 10 11:53
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sebsebseb Jun 10 19:00
schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/TIBTQ.gifJun 10 19:44
TechrightsBot-scNot a web page! Aborting image/gif typeJun 10 19:44
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/75888322Jun 10 19:56
TechrightsBot-sc@Richard Fontana (fontana)'s status on Friday, 10-Jun-11 12:53:57 UTC - Identi.ca: @bkuhn That's absurd, there are a number of oddball !free licenses on the !fsf license list pageJun 10 19:56
schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/W2Y2O.gifJun 10 20:09
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msb_ender_33: You wrote: "msb_ socialist demands more war http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/blair-demands-more-allied-military-action-2294865.html" "blair is in the fabian society" "dumbass" Jun 10 23:23
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msb_ender_33: Unless Blair advocates democratic control and ownership of factories, large farms, etc., by working people, he is no socialist.Jun 10 23:26
msb_ender_33: He is a sociopathic capitalist using the Fabian Society as a disguise.Jun 10 23:26
MinceRwhoa... you think all socialists advocate democratic control of some kind?Jun 10 23:27
msb_MinceR: That's in the definition of socialism, as used by actual socialists.Jun 10 23:28
MinceRyou should have lived in hungary when there was "socialism" hereJun 10 23:29
msb_MinceR: That's what socialism is about.Jun 10 23:29
msb_MinceR: You are correct to put it in quotes, because it wasn't socialism.Jun 10 23:29
msb_MinceR: Socialists call that "state capitalism".Jun 10 23:30
MinceRstrange, i've heard many people swear up and down "it wasn't communism, it was socialism!" as if it matteredJun 10 23:30
msb_MinceR: The definition of socialism is:  democratic ownership and control of the means of production by working people.Jun 10 23:31
msb_MinceR: Anything else is not socialism, no matter what anyone says.Jun 10 23:32
MinceRhow can it be "democratic" if only the "working people", whoever those are, get to take part in it?Jun 10 23:32
MinceRwell, i guess everyone can have their own definition of itJun 10 23:32
MinceRit's hard to discuss these systems when it's so popular to try and hijack every term there isJun 10 23:33
msb_"Working people" is everyone who actually works for a living.Jun 10 23:33
msb_These systems can be discussed if one uses the correct definitions and sticks with them.Jun 10 23:34
MinceRor at least if the definitions being used are clearly known to all participantsJun 10 23:35
msb_yesJun 10 23:35
msb_MinceR: As far as I know, socialist Nicaragua, Cuba, and semi-socialist Venezuela have never made war on anybody.Jun 10 23:39
msb_MinceR:  Nor Vietnam either.  Of course, fighting off invaders doesn't count.Jun 10 23:41
MinceRoh, you're the "cuba is a perfect utopia but i won't move there to enjoy it" guyJun 10 23:42
MinceRnow i rememberJun 10 23:42
msb_That's a lie.  I never said that Cuba is a perfect anything.  Jun 10 23:43
MinceRnot in those exact words, sureJun 10 23:43
msb_Not in _any_ words.  I said that socialism has benefited the people of those countries.Jun 10 23:45
msb_MinceR: Please see the entry on my homepage just below this one: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#PSYCHOJun 10 23:57
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Human Society That Works For Everyone .::. Size~: 28.42 KBJun 10 23:57
msb_MinceR: That was 22 years ago.  The inequality of wealth in the U.S. is much worse today.Jun 10 23:58

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