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| ender_33 | msb_ as a disguise my ass, you're SOO closed minded that you make excuses for people | Jun 11 01:05 |
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| ender_33 | http://qubitarkhive.com/2011/06/10/open-missive-from-jennifer-ann-kealey/ | Jun 11 01:06 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: OPEN MISSIVE FROM JENNIFER ANN KEALEY - Qubit ArkHive .::. Size~: 53.06 KB | Jun 11 01:06 |
| ender_33 | msb_ "working people" in a socialist system means you're a slave working for free for the government in exchange for 'benefits' | Jun 11 01:07 |
| ender_33 | perfect for the computer | Jun 11 01:07 |
| msb_ | ender_33: Not if the workers in a factory _own_ the factory and its profits. | Jun 11 01:08 |
| ender_33 | the computer owns them | Jun 11 01:09 |
| ender_33 | via the super ego | Jun 11 01:09 |
| ender_33 | the system you speak of will likely not happen | Jun 11 01:10 |
| ender_33 | you'll be underwater before that occurs | Jun 11 01:10 |
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| msb_ | ender2070: The article by Jennifer Kealey is quite believable. I know two other people who have been harassed by sociopath goons (although not to that degree) with complete cooperation of the police, legal, and medical systems. | Jun 11 01:28 |
| msb_ | ender2070: On the other hand, the all-powerful Neanderthal hive-mind "computer" that Glen Kealey wrote about, along with people living in the Moho, is contrary to many known medical and scientific facts, and also simple logic. Without proof (none of which has been given) it is simply a bizarre fantasy. | Jun 11 01:35 |
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| msb_ | ender2070: It is also not needed to account for the tyranny that controls most of the human species. Programming and indoctrination by parents and other adults, religions, media, and the educational system are quite sufficient to account for people's obedience and acceptance of it. And loosely organized powerful sociopaths are sufficient as the rulers to account for the observed phenomena. | Jun 11 01:39 |
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| ender2070 | It's alright man, you don't have to believe a thing | Jun 11 01:53 |
| ender2070 | I'm not looking for you | Jun 11 01:53 |
| ender2070 | Bush and Clinton stole a chunk of Canada with NAFTA | Jun 11 02:42 |
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| schestowitz | I've come to the conclusion that not many people would willingly engage in activism for good causes because they are too busy looking after their own status, which usually they think they'll elevate by working harder to make more money | Jun 11 06:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal | Jun 11 07:20 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm schestowitz I really suspect to see OpenOffice and libreoffice to go down the path of BSD and Linux. | Jun 11 07:57 |
| oiaohm | And I do expect to here shouts of Libreoffice not giving code back. | Jun 11 07:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9217345/Android_grows_in_top_U.S._smartphone_spot_with_iPhone_second?taxonomyId=15 | Jun 11 09:25 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Android grows in top U.S. smartphone spot, with iPhone second - Computerworld .::. Size~: 131.56 KB | Jun 11 09:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=4 | Jun 11 09:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 11 09:33 |
| schestowitz | * What is iCloud? | Jun 11 09:33 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 34.98 KB | Jun 11 09:33 |
| schestowitz | * 03:59PM June 06/06/11, 2011 | Jun 11 09:33 |
| schestowitz | * iCloud is so much more than a hard drive in the sky. It’s the effortless way to access just about everything on all your devices. iCloud stores your content so it’s always accessible from your iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, Mac, or PC.* It gives you instant access to your music, apps, latest photos, and more. And it keeps your email, contacts, and calendars up to date across all your devices. No syncing required. No | Jun 11 09:33 |
| schestowitz | management required. In fact, no anything required. iCloud does it all for you. - Apple | Jun 11 09:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 11 09:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2011/06/microsoft-is-more-flexible.html | Jun 11 09:34 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Microsoft is more flexible, but Google tops in tech pay .::. Size~: 58.4 KB | Jun 11 09:34 |
| MinceR | "Mac or PC", right from groklaw | Jun 11 09:35 |
| MinceR | s/right/straight/ | Jun 11 09:36 |
| schestowitz | "[PJ: Maybe to solve the bad blood this has caused? Please think about it, Oracle. Please. It's not nice to relicense work people gave you for free, and with an LGPL group out there already, it's dooming the project, in my view. There is a difference between what is legal and what is right.] - tdf-discuss" | Jun 11 09:37 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: maybe she just wants to show what Apple is doing | Jun 11 09:37 |
| schestowitz | Before a link to antirust stuff | Jun 11 09:37 |
| schestowitz | Last year it was different | Jun 11 09:37 |
| schestowitz | More like, "yay! Apple is winning, Microsoft is losing" | Jun 11 09:38 |
| schestowitz | That's the mentality I find disturbing at times | Jun 11 09:38 |
| schestowitz | The football teams mentality | Jun 11 09:38 |
| MinceR | false dichotomy | Jun 11 09:40 |
| schestowitz | http://mashable.com/2011/06/06/tunecore-itunes-cloud/ | Jun 11 09:45 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: TuneCore CEO: Apple Has Just Monetized Pirated Content .::. Size~: 144.46 KB | Jun 11 09:45 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: that too, but not only | Jun 11 09:45 |
| schestowitz | in 2011 I started a 100+ comments thread urging her not to help Apple because they already are worth q third of a trillion (says Wall Street) and can afford thousands of paralegals like her | Jun 11 09:46 |
| schestowitz | She's better off helping LibreOffice or something | Jun 11 09:46 |
| schestowitz | Some people there agreed with me | Jun 11 09:46 |
| schestowitz | Legal analysis is one thing, but she would not change anything in the Psystar case, she needs to aim lower | Jun 11 09:47 |
| schestowitz | http://allthingsd.com/20110607/whats-twitters-identity-now-that-its-apples-identity-provider/ | Jun 11 10:29 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: What’s Twitter’s Identity Now That It’s Apple’s Identity Provider? – AllThingsD .::. Size~: 94.08 KB | Jun 11 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Blech | Jun 11 10:29 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/75965441 | Jun 11 11:23 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Moshe Njema (nj3ma)'s status on Saturday, 11-Jun-11 09:37:50 UTC - Identi.ca: @eebrah You will love this one http://datamation.com/applications/tech-comics-worst-case-1.html via the good Doctor @schestowitz | Jun 11 11:23 |
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| ender2070 | r4 7uz<aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa64rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr'''''''''''''/////////////////////////////////// | Jun 11 13:10 |
| schestowitz | :/ | Jun 11 13:20 |
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| ender2070 | LOL | Jun 11 14:48 |
| ender2070 | that was my cat | Jun 11 14:48 |
| sebsebseb | Hi ender2070 | Jun 11 14:49 |
| ender2070 | yoyo | Jun 11 14:49 |
| sebsebseb | well I think I have decided what distro to run for quite a while and why as well | Jun 11 14:49 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia 1? NO! | Jun 11 14:49 |
| sebsebseb | Fedora 15? Yes! | Jun 11 14:49 |
| ender2070 | :) | Jun 11 14:49 |
| sebsebseb | and why quite simpally | Jun 11 14:49 |
| sebsebseb | since Mageia 1 doesn't have Gnome 3 | Jun 11 14:50 |
| ender2070 | fedora has the best gnome3 | Jun 11 14:50 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah probably or so people would say | Jun 11 14:50 |
| sebsebseb | since how close they are with upstream Gnome | Jun 11 14:50 |
| sebsebseb | and then I can virtual machine Mageia 1 for Gnome 2 if I want it at times, for say the weather feature :D or for KDE even | Jun 11 14:50 |
| ender2070 | im fairly sure they only deal with upstream gnome | Jun 11 14:51 |
| sebsebseb | and I am going to have a Windows virtual machine which will hopefuly work for my driving thorey hopefuly | Jun 11 14:51 |
| ender2070 | fedora's mission is to stick as close to upstream as possible | Jun 11 14:51 |
| sebsebseb | and well Unity I can virtual machine that even | Jun 11 14:51 |
| sebsebseb | ,but i'll give a Mageia 1 a try on here for real first, before putting Fedora 15 on, i'll also have to try Fedora 15 from the Live CD, which will hopefuly boot up ok on here | Jun 11 14:51 |
| sebsebseb | I mean since the NIvida card I got, which apparnalty works with it, but maybe that won't quite be the case hmm, and then hmm | Jun 11 14:52 |
| schestowitz | [14:48] <ender2070> that was my cat | Jun 11 14:52 |
| schestowitz | LOL I can tell the pattern it was moving in | Jun 11 14:52 |
| schestowitz | LOL Cat! | Jun 11 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: and I want to get off this Ubuntu junk soon, but first try out the Gnome 3 ppa, and such | Jun 11 14:53 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: also I don't know if he is still using it or not, but I know that one of the main Mageia founders was/is using Fedora 15. | Jun 11 14:54 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: as for Gnome 2 I am getting more bored of it now, well it's 2002 and so software really anyway | Jun 11 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | I mean first version was in 2002 I think | Jun 11 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | and Gnome 2 is pretty much the same really in most of these distro's, with some changes here and there, branding and such, and uhmm well from what I seen on websites, they have a really nice Mageia logo next to the applicaitons menu :), but uh that and weather featre, running Gnome 2 still for quite a while, after getting rid of what I am currently running and such | Jun 11 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | uh | Jun 11 14:56 |
| ender2070 | I use KDE | Jun 11 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | WOW what great resasons to be using Gnome 2 still, (sarcasm) when could be using Gnome 3, and have Gnome 2 in a virtual machine anyway. | Jun 11 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | yep I think that's how I want to do it soon, Fedora 15 so Gnome 3 :) with anything else so Gnome 2 or KDE and so in Mageia as well of course :) in virtual machine | Jun 11 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | and then if I want to I can virtual machine Unity as well in Ubuntu | Jun 11 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | as for KDE I really don't get on with it that well as a desktop envrionment | Jun 11 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | I get in a mess if I try and customise anymore than just turn the backgroudn slide show on and so on, get in a mess if I try to move the icons on the bar at the bottom and uh, and I am quite sure I have told you this before | Jun 11 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | and if I was someone who got on rather happily with KDE 4, other then some of hte apps in Gnome of course, well if I was like that, I would so be running Mageia 1 for KDE 4 :) | Jun 11 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | at this time | Jun 11 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | and a pshyicall install, not a virtual machine, and run for quite a long time or whatever and :) | Jun 11 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | ,but well no, I am a Gnome user really | Jun 11 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | someone who used Gnome 2 as main desktop envrionment for years, but getting a bit bored of it, and someone who had issues trying to try out the lastest Gnome 3, but I think that should be ok with the Fedora 15 final so :) and then yeah may as well have that for quite a while installed, untill there's something more proper and more properly interesting to put on instead | Jun 11 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | that might be a development version of Ubuntu 11.10, because of how it will be able to do both Gnome Shell and Unity, or it may be a development version of Mageia or something, but yeah I run, what I want to at the time basicalley, except also may have something installed for a bit longer than I had intended for whatever reasons, which is exactly what's happended with the Ubuntu 11.04 final | Jun 11 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | and I looked at the Virtualbox website last night, and yep a version for Fedora 15, good, so that shoudn't be an issue then :) I rmemeber with I guess it was Fedora 13 and 14 or one fo them, and how I wanted Virtualbox, but it wasn't in the repos, and well it wasn't on the Virtualbox site either | Jun 11 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | and schestowitz had this issue as well, I remember | Jun 11 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: as for Mageia, well I think Mageia 2, is where things will become more interesting, and where it should start gaining quite a lot more users, and I remember thinking something like this early on as well, after finding out what Mageia 1 would be. | Jun 11 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: altough no Gnome 3 for Mageia 1, since Mageia 1 was about forking Mandriva, which yep didn't have Gnome 3. | Jun 11 15:09 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia 2 is where it should start going in it's own direction more, and so yep should become more interesting and better basicalley :) | Jun 11 15:10 |
| sebsebseb | and they release without Gnome 3 at a good time I think, becasue most other distro's aren't doing it at ther moment either. | Jun 11 15:10 |
| sebsebseb | Desktop Linux distros | Jun 11 15:11 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh that Techbytes interview should be interesting, if the right questions are asked, when we do that and with Tim as well :) | Jun 11 15:11 |
| sebsebseb | and no before you ask, not set up for stuff like that, just yet | Jun 11 15:12 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/75981437 | Jun 11 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Techrights' IRC Aggregator (boycottnovell)'s status on Saturday, 11-Jun-11 13:46:23 UTC - Identi.ca: Apple Runs Out of Ideas, Harms Developers, and Faces Antitrust Problems http://is.gd/Knduq6 #iphone #android #imitation #pr | Jun 11 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: Apple Runs Out of Ideas, Harms Developers, and Faces Antitrust Problems | Techrights .::. Size~: 89 KB | Jun 11 15:12 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: plus I want to sort out my distros stuff, what I am going to be running and what I have tried, before I talk on that | Jun 11 15:12 |
| ender2070 | I only like Fedora and opensuse | Jun 11 15:13 |
| ender2070 | havent tried the new mag yet | Jun 11 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: uh, but OpenSuse, had Novell behind it | Jun 11 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | mag? | Jun 11 15:14 |
| ender2070 | mageia | Jun 11 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: well if you like KDE which you do, you will probably quite like that one as well :) | Jun 11 15:14 |
| ender2070 | opensuse has a nice community behind it too | Jun 11 15:14 |
| ender2070 | if mageia turns kde4 into 3 then no | Jun 11 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: well Mageia does KDE like Mandriva, so I guess in that case, sure more like 3 | Jun 11 15:15 |
| ender2070 | I never liked Mandriva | Jun 11 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | PC Linux OS's KDE is more like 3 as well I guess | Jun 11 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: however saying that | Jun 11 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | take Kubuntu for example | Jun 11 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | to me | Jun 11 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | and this is just default looks | Jun 11 15:16 |
| ender2070 | it means that when I install I have to turn it back into KDE4 | Jun 11 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | Kubuntu looks quite similar to Mageia, and PC Linux OS, and Mandriva, for KDE 4 now as well really | Jun 11 15:16 |
| ender2070 | im lazy | Jun 11 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | and with Kubuntu they stay close to upstream KDE | Jun 11 15:16 |
| ender2070 | i dont use kubuntu | Jun 11 15:16 |
| ender2070 | i dont like .deb distros | Jun 11 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: I like a good KDE 4 set up if I am going to use it, and well I get that for what I want, with Mandriva, PC Linux OS, and sure Mageia would give me that as well | Jun 11 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | I don't want to customise | Jun 11 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | except for turning on the background changer slideshow if I want it, or screensaver | Jun 11 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | and quite simpalley I don't want to customise KDE 4, because it's not like Gnome 2 for customsiing, so easy to get into a mess with it, and that's what happens to me, even if I try to move the icons on the bottom bar, in their stupid cusotmise mode | Jun 11 15:18 |
| sebsebseb | then they move all over the place useually, and not where I want them | Jun 11 15:18 |
| sebsebseb | where as with Gnome 2, it's just move the icon with the cursour where want it on the panel and no problem, and well may have to right click and unlock first so it can be moved. | Jun 11 15:19 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: also I don't remember KDE 3 much now, but it was rather nice, and well I should try out Trinity in a virtual machine really | Jun 11 15:19 |
| ender2070 | yeah i just dont like gnome | Jun 11 15:19 |
| ender2070 | gnome 3 is nice though | Jun 11 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Now you know how I feel about Windows | Jun 11 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Jun 11 15:20 |
| schestowitz | The former line | Jun 11 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | so you like Gnome 3? Why so? | Jun 11 15:20 |
| schestowitz | me? No.. never tried it | Jun 11 15:20 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you mean ender2070 | Jun 11 15:20 |
| ender2070 | for me I get tired of looking at the same thing | Jun 11 15:20 |
| ender2070 | I like change in UI | Jun 11 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: plus I guess Michquel di iczza (uh I spelt this wrong I think) probably hardly contributed to Gnome 3 anyway, so I guess that makes you and schestowitz reasoanbly happy, heh heh | Jun 11 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: yeah that's how I am becoming with Gnome 2, I am getting bored, of how it is | Jun 11 15:21 |
| ender2070 | i just get bored of old stuff | Jun 11 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | and how it is nearly the same in all these distro's | Jun 11 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | and how really it looks old now as well | Jun 11 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | since well it is old really | Jun 11 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | and also over the years, for the noticeable end user features, the features that are seen by users, or most of them anwyay, well they hardly changed anything really | Jun 11 15:22 |
| ender2070 | when gnome3 gets better I may switch over | Jun 11 15:22 |
| ender2070 | or I might just go to e17 | Jun 11 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: ok this sounds a bit like me with Mageia | Jun 11 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | I want to | Jun 11 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | use it as my main distro really, but | Jun 11 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | I want Gnome 3, and so Mageai 1 isn't really the way to go | Jun 11 15:22 |
| ender2070 | im getting tired of the kde4 desktop too | Jun 11 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | unless I try to use the jhbuild from upstream Gnome uh | Jun 11 15:23 |
| sebsebseb | and so when Mageia becomes better with Mageia 2, which should have Gnome 3, then yes I will probably switch to it as my main distro | Jun 11 15:23 |
| sebsebseb | plus if I am going to be doing community stuff for the distro, in a way I should be running it really | Jun 11 15:23 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: and right now, well Fedora 15 is probably the best Gnome 3 distro really, even though a few or so others also have it, but most of those aren't really known about | Jun 11 15:24 |
| ender2070 | fedora even has e17 | Jun 11 15:24 |
| ender2070 | which is good | Jun 11 15:24 |
| ender2070 | i might give e17 another shot | Jun 11 15:24 |
| oiaohm | ender2070: I guess you have tried the netbook form of kde? | Jun 11 15:25 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jun 11 15:25 |
| ender2070 | i dont care for it | Jun 11 15:25 |
| ender2070 | I use normal plasma for my netbook | Jun 11 15:25 |
| oiaohm | There is also the meego interface. | Jun 11 15:25 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: e17 is in Ubuntu and PC Linux OS and so on as well | Jun 11 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: also I think Mageia needs more improving, the distro itself, and on the community side, and then yes, it may become one of the most popular distro's for Desktop Linux in the next two years or so :) | Jun 11 15:30 |
| sebsebseb | ,but for a first cycle, what Mageia is now, is quite good really | Jun 11 15:32 |
| sebsebseb | :) | Jun 11 15:32 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: someone on Identica said it was bland like Fedora 1 though | Jun 11 15:33 |
| sebsebseb | that it looked bland, or wahtever hmm | Jun 11 15:33 |
| sebsebseb | I am a bit disapointed at the art work, after seeing all this amazing art work that was made for the logo competiton | Jun 11 15:33 |
| sebsebseb | after seeing loads of that I mean | Jun 11 15:33 |
| sebsebseb | I mean from what I seen of alpha 1 in vm, and the final on sites. ,but yep going to have the final on here this weekend or next wseek I guess or whatever. | Jun 11 15:34 |
| ender2070 | offtopic but I can't wait for duke nukem forever | Jun 11 15:41 |
| ender2070 | out in 3 days | Jun 11 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | Jun 11 15:41 |
| ender2070 | and zelda 3ds out shortly too | Jun 11 15:42 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: Ok and doesn't the video for the second game look great? http://freegamer.blogspot.com/2011/06/foss-game-engines-put-to-great-use.html | Jun 11 15:46 |
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| sebsebseb | http://freegamer.blogspot.com/2011/06/foss-game-engines-put-to-great-use.html | Jun 11 15:46 |
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| ender2070 | the dragon ball z game? | Jun 11 15:48 |
| sebsebseb | the last video on page | Jun 11 16:04 |
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| schestowitz | today I also need to get up to scratch with git, looking into the code for cyrus retraction | Jun 11 17:56 |
| schestowitz | I want to learn git rather then svn-ify commands | Jun 11 17:59 |
| schestowitz | i used svn and cvs before | Jun 11 17:59 |
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