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| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:20:14 2010 | Jun 13 03:06 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EvolvingCitizen/status/80197507589738496 | Jun 13 10:06 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @EvolvingCitizen: @schestowitz Sure I posted the event here also: http://www.meetup.com/21stCenturyNetwork/events/21900451/ | Jun 13 10:06 |
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| schestowitz | I'll link to that | Jun 13 10:07 |
| MinceR | http://www.dilbert.com/2000-02-07/ | Jun 13 10:50 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/80213506414219266 | Jun 13 12:56 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @fcassia: @schestowitz Hey, I thought you didn´t use email. ;-P ;-)) | Jun 13 12:56 |
| schestowitz | I hardly do except when there is no choice | Jun 13 12:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/clacke/status/80208654728564736 | Jun 13 12:56 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @clacke: How awesome is that! http://webodf.org/ is an #AGPL pure #javascript project for rendering #ODF to #HTML + #CSS /via @glynmoody @schestowitz | Jun 13 12:56 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/80209197765111808 | Jun 13 12:56 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Metztli_IT: ♺ @schestowitz ♻ @rcweir Open Document Format (#ODF)advances in Russia, approved as national standard, migration plans… http://bit.ly/l0lfue | Jun 13 12:56 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: CNews: Â Ðîññèè óñòðàíåí åùå îäèí áàðüåð íà ïóòè ÑÏÎ: íàöñòàíäàðò ODF âñòóïèë â äåéñòâèå .::. Size~: 101.74 KB | Jun 13 12:56 |
| schestowitz | Interview with Linus Torvalds at LinuxCon Japan | Jun 13 12:58 |
| schestowitz | >> | Jun 13 12:58 |
| schestowitz | > Great. The sound gets a little out of sync with the video though. | Jun 13 12:58 |
| schestowitz | > Otherwise it's a great interview. The final question is about the GPL | Jun 13 12:58 |
| schestowitz | > and he does a good job of explaining his position. I feel about the | Jun 13 12:58 |
| schestowitz | > same about the GPL3 but to me it appears to be a necessary evil until SW | Jun 13 12:58 |
| schestowitz | > patents are axed. | Jun 13 12:58 |
| oiaohm | Catch is the size and number of people in Linux kernel | Jun 13 13:00 |
| oiaohm | And getting them all to sign on the dotted line for a license change. | Jun 13 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Even if Linus Torvalds wanted to change license it would be insane todo. | Jun 13 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Make BKL removal look simple. | Jun 13 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mikec1972/status/80259308910161921 | Jun 13 17:48 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @mikec1972: @schestowitz first day training towards COMS 10k, aiming for sub 43/13st (currently 13st 12/tubby), c u tue dinner @12 | Jun 13 17:48 |
| schestowitz | yes, need to train. Should be a nice day outside, too | Jun 13 17:48 |
| schestowitz | got back from swimming and gmy just now... | Jun 13 17:49 |
| schestowitz | *gmy | Jun 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | *gym | Jun 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Can't beat muscle memory | Jun 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > Hey royston, | Jun 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > I was thinking bag and then weights tomorrow then run wednesday then class/weights thursday....what dya reck? | Jun 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Been there too many days in a row. Was gonna take tomorrow off actually. Not sure now.. | Jun 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | My friend Peter is quitting the health club. | Jun 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | He told me today. | Jun 13 18:03 |
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| abeNd-org | i hate apple, mac osx, xcode & the ios simulator | Jun 13 19:24 |
| abeNd-org | hate... | Jun 13 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | abeNd-org: I don't hate them so much | Jun 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | I think I hate people who promote them more | Jun 13 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Honestly, I do... | Jun 13 19:32 |
| abeNd-org | oh, i am more annoyed by the fact i have 300+ ipads to support, yet they wont give me one to use for said support, and ive never owned an apple product in my life | Jun 13 19:32 |
| abeNd-org | so i setup OSX in a vm, setup xcode, setup the iOS simulator with xcode, only to find out it doesnt support the one thing i need, mail settings (specifically activesync support for iOS devices) | Jun 13 19:33 |
| abeNd-org | ive got an android & webos emulator with the SDKs, and just figured the iOS SDK would be similar....wrrrrrrrong | Jun 13 19:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | thanks for explaining. i've really enjoyed those tools, but haven't pushed it to features like that | Jun 13 19:41 |
| *qu1j0t3 works for a place that develops blackberry, android and ios apps | Jun 13 19:41 | |
| qu1j0t3 | actually not Android yet. | Jun 13 19:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | they're looking very hard for a mobile (ios/bb/android) dev right now | Jun 13 19:41 |
| abeNd-org | porting to webos from iOS is real easy using the webos SDK, wouldnt be much work at all to support that platform as well | Jun 13 19:44 |
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| abeNd-org | im not looking to program with the emulator/simulators, mostly do activesync testing with them to exchange, novell datasync, etc...and somehow "support" those 300 ipads | Jun 13 19:48 |
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| schestowitz | 300 ipads? | Jun 13 20:19 |
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| abeNd-org | yea, one of the smaller school districts i work for have had 300 donated recently, so i need to support them | Jun 13 20:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | they have a full web browser so that's one portable route | Jun 13 20:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | doesn't deal with sync stuff of course... | Jun 13 20:21 |
| abeNd-org | yea, the browser emulator doesnt do me much good, i need full device support, which i thought the simulator would provide like the android/webos ones do | Jun 13 20:23 |
| abeNd-org | heck even winmob 61/65 have full simulators with activesync support (not sure about winmob7, havent seen anyone with one of those) | Jun 13 20:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | well, if you have 300 of them, take one for on-device testing | Jun 13 20:24 |
| schestowitz | coaster for beer... | Jun 13 20:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | you may need a mac, but those are quite cheap if you buy in secondary market | Jun 13 20:25 |
| schestowitz | with lights | Jun 13 20:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | i.e. $500 should get a 2008 Aluminium intel duo MAcbook | Jun 13 20:25 |
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| abeNd-org | qu1j0t3: yep, i asked about that, they said no, all 300 are for staff/student usage, im not allowed to use one for troubleshooting (im supposed to magically know how to support them) | Jun 13 20:31 |
| abeNd-org | i have a fully functional VM with the iOS sdk, but the said SDK doesnt support when i need, which is the mail side of things | Jun 13 20:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | abeNd-org: wow. | Jun 13 20:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | @ 'can't have one' | Jun 13 20:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's absurd | Jun 13 20:33 |
| abeNd-org | which is why i was looking for alternative routes for support, I thought the SDK would suffice, but it does not | Jun 13 20:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | my next step would be to use real hardware. how ridiculous they can't give you access. | Jun 13 20:33 |
| abeNd-org | i would have been perfectly fine using the SDK were it sufficient for my needs | Jun 13 20:34 |
| abeNd-org | yeah, real hardware will be the only solution...especially since there isnt a "VNC server" for iOS (at least not without rooting it, & I am not about to do that for 300 ipads...) | Jun 13 20:34 |
| ender_33 | vnc is terrible | Jun 13 20:38 |
| ender_33 | 'lets waste bandwidth by drawing every pixel' | Jun 13 20:39 |
| abeNd-org | yea, granted ill usually change it to 8 color or greyscale when using it, but everyone knows you mean device remote control when you say VNC | Jun 13 20:40 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Jun 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | I use it ATM for work | Jun 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | to access a broken VM | Jun 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | and fsck it | Jun 13 20:45 |
| ender_33 | NX needs to be cloned or reverse engineerred | Jun 13 20:49 |
| abeNd-org | right now there is nothing that offers remote management support for mobile devices other than bomgar | Jun 13 20:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | vnc is fine over wireless or gigabit | Jun 13 20:55 |
| abeNd-org | even for android you have to root it for vnc or any other remote solution to work, not workable for a business environment | Jun 13 20:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | yeah, what I miss on the ios devices is openvpn | Jun 13 20:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | limited vpn options out of the box | Jun 13 20:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | abeNd-org: why don't you qualify as 'staff' if you're working to get them integrated | Jun 13 20:58 |
| ender_33 | 15:50 < qu1j0t3> vnc is fine over wireless or gigabit | Jun 13 21:00 |
| ender_33 | I can't agree | Jun 13 21:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | heh | Jun 13 21:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | well i use it over both with no issues | Jun 13 21:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | ymmv | Jun 13 21:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | actually i use it over openvpn + internet just fine too... | Jun 13 21:01 |
| abeNd-org | ive used vnc over slow links before & it is fine for support | Jun 13 21:02 |
| ender_33 | have you used NX? | Jun 13 21:06 |
| ender_33 | I've used VNC without issues too but its a waste of bandwidth | Jun 13 21:06 |
| ender_33 | VNC sends every pixel | Jun 13 21:06 |
| ender_33 | NX sends a drawing command | Jun 13 21:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | when you write a better client and server for my platforms i'll be happy to switch :) | Jun 13 21:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | there's a fortune to be made if you can beat NX with an open source product. | Jun 13 21:08 |
| abeNd-org | I can't say ive used NX | Jun 13 21:08 |
| *qu1j0t3 hasn't used NX but accepts that it's somehow superior to VNC | Jun 13 21:08 | |
| abeNd-org | mostly these days i use ssh/rdp/logmein | Jun 13 21:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | we use rdp here but the experience seems inferior to vnc | Jun 13 21:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | NX sends a drawing command? how 1987 :) | Jun 13 21:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | Sun NeWS... X11... etc. | Jun 13 21:09 |
| MinceR | NX is mostly X | Jun 13 21:11 |
| MinceR | and afaik X does have drawing commands, always had them | Jun 13 21:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | of course it does. | Jun 13 21:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | as did Sun NeWS (network extensible windowing system), whose primitives were similar to Display PostScript's | Jun 13 21:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | i.e. not bitmap | Jun 13 21:12 |
| schestowitz | sudo draw me a line | Jun 13 21:13 |
| schestowitz | oops. wrong windows :-) | Jun 13 21:13 |
| ender_33 | its better than sending a series of 'screenshots' | Jun 13 21:15 |
| ender_33 | unfortunately yes NX is proprietary | Jun 13 21:15 |
| ender_33 | i'll be moving to vnc soon so I don't have to use gnome | Jun 13 21:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | ender_33: of course you're aware that vnc has a lot of optimisations and tries not to send more than it needs to. | Jun 13 21:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | ender_33: all the obvious stuff... | Jun 13 21:16 |
| ender_33 | vnc is also platform independent | Jun 13 21:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. | Jun 13 21:16 |
| ender_33 | nx requires gnome it seems | Jun 13 21:16 |
| MinceR | also, vnc does not depend on the internals of the windowing system | Jun 13 21:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's what you gain by generalising to bitmap | Jun 13 21:16 |
| ender_33 | well sometimes thats faster | Jun 13 21:17 |
| MinceR | what, nx requires gnome? | Jun 13 21:17 |
| ender_33 | mincer - seems to be that way, or kde3 | Jun 13 21:17 |
| MinceR | i thought i've seen nx without gnome once | Jun 13 21:17 |
| MinceR | and without kde3 | Jun 13 21:17 |
| ender_33 | kde4? | Jun 13 21:17 |
| MinceR | no | Jun 13 21:17 |
| ender_33 | I haven't been able to get that working | Jun 13 21:17 |
| MinceR | motif, qt, swing | Jun 13 21:17 |
| MinceR | (i think) | Jun 13 21:17 |
| ender_33 | even using a non-firefox browser would kill my session | Jun 13 21:17 |
| ender_33 | lol | Jun 13 21:17 |
| ender_33 | SL, Fedora, OpenSUSE all the same | Jun 13 21:18 |
| ender_33 | ill be moving to vnc despite how much I hate it | Jun 13 21:19 |
| ender_33 | tigervnc is probably the best one | Jun 13 21:19 |
| ender_33 | Redhat funded | Jun 13 21:19 |
| abeNd-org | it works fine for me when i drop the color depth | Jun 13 21:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | ender_33: over what network? | Jun 13 21:19 |
| ender_33 | I don't want to drop the colour depth or resolution | Jun 13 21:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | you'll be using gigabit, right? | Jun 13 21:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's a _lot_ of bandwidth | Jun 13 21:20 |
| ender_33 | not over the internet | Jun 13 21:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | over a lan you don't need to drop depth or resolution. | Jun 13 21:21 |
| ender_33 | with nx it didn't matter | Jun 13 21:21 |
| abeNd-org | for support it doesnt matter about color depth, its not like you are running photoshop/gimp | Jun 13 21:21 |
| ender_33 | I could have a full colour any-res desktop over the WAN | Jun 13 21:21 |
| ender_33 | in fact, gimp would draw properly too :) | Jun 13 21:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's my experience with vnc. | Jun 13 21:22 |
| ender_33 | yeah i dunno maybe ill stick with NX then | Jun 13 21:22 |
| ender_33 | I can't browse in a smaller res window | Jun 13 21:23 |
| ender_33 | I NX into my desktop from work to home, and use it to browse | Jun 13 21:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | i do it the other way 'round | Jun 13 21:23 |
| ender_33 | enjoy :) | Jun 13 21:25 |
| ender_33 | thats why we have choice | Jun 13 21:25 |
| abeNd-org | heh, i always seem to be at a dead end, not choice | Jun 13 21:27 |
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