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schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/76245875 | Jun 14 18:33 |
TechrightsBot-sc | @Mike Linksvayer (mlinksva)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jun-11 17:24:36 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I don't see anything on http://adbard.net did they send a notice to sites and advertisers? | Jun 14 18:33 |
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schestowitz | yes, at 1am GMT | Jun 14 18:33 |
schestowitz | qu1j0t3: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janet-tavakoli/third-world-america-2011_b_873200.html | Jun 14 19:21 |
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schestowitz | Huff and Puff promotes self | Jun 14 19:21 |
schestowitz | "Third World America: How Our Politicians are Abandoning the Middle Class and Betraying the American Dream and talked about the Great Recession, the Great Bailout, and the Great Cover-Up of financial crimes. " | Jun 14 19:21 |
schestowitz | Politicians are Abandoning the Middle | Jun 14 19:21 |
schestowitz | Hm... says the multi-millionaire... | Jun 14 19:21 |
schestowitz | Something tells me it's called being a jerk | Jun 14 19:21 |
schestowitz | And it's her who exploited many writers to make another $300,000,000 | Jun 14 19:22 |
schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/76250673 | Jun 14 19:30 |
TechrightsBot-sc | @agentsmith's status on Tuesday, 14-Jun-11 18:14:28 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Oh, boy, it can't be just bad news these days, can it ? | Jun 14 19:30 |
ender_33 | LOL | Jun 14 19:39 |
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qu1j0t3 | well, we all know what Arianna is. | Jun 14 19:41 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: I try to avoid going there | Jun 14 19:42 |
ender_33 | what is the problem with the article | Jun 14 19:42 |
ender_33 | aside from ad hominem attacks | Jun 14 19:42 |
qu1j0t3 | eh? | Jun 14 19:42 |
qu1j0t3 | there's nothing personal in calling Arianna out as a hypocrite and a liar. | Jun 14 19:43 |
qu1j0t3 | it's all there in black and white | Jun 14 19:43 |
qu1j0t3 | that is, if you 've been paying attention | Jun 14 19:43 |
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ender_33 | I have been paying attention | Jun 14 19:43 |
qu1j0t3 | so you'd know what she's been doing for years | Jun 14 19:43 |
ender_33 | what is wrong with the article itself | Jun 14 19:43 |
qu1j0t3 | i didn't read the article, but the headline summarises the tripe that Arianna peddles | Jun 14 19:44 |
qu1j0t3 | very deliberately | Jun 14 19:44 |
qu1j0t3 | she's a mini-Murdoch, in this respect | Jun 14 19:44 |
ender_33 | rich people can't publish an accurate article? | Jun 14 19:44 |
qu1j0t3 | ender_33: the level of suspicion required is beyond most people | Jun 14 19:45 |
qu1j0t3 | eveyrthing that gets printed there is deliberate | Jun 14 19:45 |
ender_33 | I can say that about all media | Jun 14 19:46 |
ender_33 | in fact its true | Jun 14 19:46 |
qu1j0t3 | yes it is. | Jun 14 19:46 |
qu1j0t3 | it's astonishing how little criticism HP gets for its propagandising | Jun 14 19:47 |
qu1j0t3 | it's increasingly brazen | Jun 14 19:47 |
qu1j0t3 | you'd think the AOL thing might have clued a few in... | Jun 14 19:47 |
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qu1j0t3 | anyway | Jun 14 19:49 |
qu1j0t3 | the headline isn't a good sign, since "Third World America" is the title of AH's book, is it not? | Jun 14 19:49 |
qu1j0t3 | one hand washes the other... | Jun 14 19:49 |
ender_33 | lol | Jun 14 19:58 |
schestowitz | ender_33: you need to see it in percepctive | Jun 14 20:02 |
schestowitz | Arianna propmotes rich charlatans when it suits here | Jun 14 20:03 |
schestowitz | When it adds value to her 'asset' (Huff and Puff) | Jun 14 20:03 |
schestowitz | She wants to eat the coins and have them too) | Jun 14 20:03 |
ender_33 | I see all media in perspective | Jun 14 20:04 |
ender_33 | shes self promoting her book, but its not to say america isn't turning into a third world country | Jun 14 20:04 |
qu1j0t3 | of course it is. | Jun 14 20:05 |
qu1j0t3 | that's not my objection | Jun 14 20:05 |
qu1j0t3 | my objection is to Arianna's utter duplicity in helping make that happen, while writing books about it. | Jun 14 20:06 |
qu1j0t3 | it's staggering | Jun 14 20:06 |
ender_33 | I doubt shes causing it | Jun 14 20:06 |
ender_33 | just by being rich | Jun 14 20:06 |
ender_33 | not every rich person is evil | Jun 14 20:06 |
qu1j0t3 | eh? | Jun 14 20:07 |
ender_33 | my grandmother got rich without being evil | Jun 14 20:07 |
qu1j0t3 | then you *havent* been paying attention | Jun 14 20:07 |
ender_33 | she bought houses during the 80s market crash, and sold them in the 90s when it recovered | Jun 14 20:07 |
qu1j0t3 | eh? | Jun 14 20:07 |
qu1j0t3 | you really haven't looked hard at her | Jun 14 20:07 |
qu1j0t3 | try harder | Jun 14 20:07 |
ender_33 | honestly i don't know much about her | Jun 14 20:08 |
qu1j0t3 | for a start, she married a republican oil baron | Jun 14 20:08 |
ender_33 | tony blair was a member of the fabian society (left wing group) along with gordon brown | Jun 14 20:08 |
ender_33 | tony blair's made quite a bit of change after leaving office | Jun 14 20:09 |
qu1j0t3 | yes | Jun 14 20:09 |
qu1j0t3 | 15 mln a year, i heard | Jun 14 20:09 |
qu1j0t3 | that mechanism is extremely interesting | Jun 14 20:09 |
qu1j0t3 | 15 mln -pounds-, not the US peso :) | Jun 14 20:09 |
ender_33 | :) | Jun 14 20:09 |
ender_33 | I try not to focus on left/right politics even though I'm quite guilty | Jun 14 20:10 |
qu1j0t3 | i'm not talking left/right here | Jun 14 20:10 |
ender_33 | oil and bankers are a false hegelian dialectic | Jun 14 20:10 |
qu1j0t3 | it's about connections | Jun 14 20:10 |
qu1j0t3 | in Ariannas case | Jun 14 20:10 |
qu1j0t3 | and it goes beyond the US | Jun 14 20:10 |
ender_33 | the non-murdoch press has ties too | Jun 14 20:10 |
qu1j0t3 | she's an example of it. | Jun 14 20:11 |
qu1j0t3 | she's the counterpart to Fox | Jun 14 20:11 |
ender_33 | all of the press has ties | Jun 14 20:11 |
qu1j0t3 | HuffPo 's job is to amplify Fox | Jun 14 20:11 |
qu1j0t3 | and that's what they do. | Jun 14 20:11 |
ender_33 | yeah | Jun 14 20:11 |
ender_33 | but what does everyone else do | Jun 14 20:11 |
ender_33 | the non-murdoch press does the same thing | Jun 14 20:11 |
ender_33 | its not a murdoch invention | Jun 14 20:11 |
qu1j0t3 | they aren't critical of HP, I know that much :) | Jun 14 20:11 |
qu1j0t3 | sigh | Jun 14 20:12 |
ender_33 | you have all of the non-murdoch press demonizing the murdoch press | Jun 14 20:12 |
qu1j0t3 | ender_33: the problem is that Fox and HP are backing the same agenda. | Jun 14 20:12 |
ender_33 | its obvious | Jun 14 20:12 |
ender_33 | its just a game | Jun 14 20:12 |
qu1j0t3 | i'm not complaining about the methods being the same. i'm complaining about the backers, the agenda, and ends being the same. | Jun 14 20:12 |
ender_33 | the opposite agenda is being pursued by the non-murdoch media | Jun 14 20:12 |
qu1j0t3 | it's trivial to show Arianna is backed by the same people as Fox. | Jun 14 20:13 |
qu1j0t3 | that's why i'm astonished she gets away with it | Jun 14 20:13 |
qu1j0t3 | two arms on the same body | Jun 14 20:14 |
qu1j0t3 | just like the D and R parties | Jun 14 20:14 |
ender_33 | think of it like this | Jun 14 20:14 |
ender_33 | Murdoch media = R | Jun 14 20:14 |
ender_33 | other = D | Jun 14 20:14 |
qu1j0t3 | both serving the same masters | Jun 14 20:14 |
qu1j0t3 | -that's- my beef | Jun 14 20:14 |
ender_33 | non-murdoch media = AOL, Walt Disney, Seagram, Viacom, GE | Jun 14 20:16 |
ender_33 | they own all the non murdoch press | Jun 14 20:16 |
ender_33 | they have an agenda too | Jun 14 20:16 |
qu1j0t3 | it's the SAME agenda. | Jun 14 20:16 |
qu1j0t3 | sigh. | Jun 14 20:16 |
qu1j0t3 | same backers. | Jun 14 20:16 |
ender_33 | those guys bash murdoch | Jun 14 20:16 |
qu1j0t3 | LOL | Jun 14 20:16 |
qu1j0t3 | yes, it's a distraction, just like D/R distinction is supposed to be | Jun 14 20:16 |
ender_33 | yes | Jun 14 20:16 |
qu1j0t3 | it's part of the noise machine | Jun 14 20:17 |
ender_33 | thats why I don't get it | Jun 14 20:17 |
qu1j0t3 | "Fox said this!" "No way!" | Jun 14 20:17 |
ender_33 | why attack murdoch and not all media | Jun 14 20:17 |
ender_33 | when its not just murdoch | Jun 14 20:17 |
qu1j0t3 | eh? | Jun 14 20:17 |
qu1j0t3 | read above... | Jun 14 20:17 |
qu1j0t3 | i have an equal amount of vitriol for the collaborators under other flags. | Jun 14 20:17 |
qu1j0t3 | large among which is Arianna | Jun 14 20:17 |
ender_33 | the media is one thing | Jun 14 20:17 |
qu1j0t3 | s/which/whom/ | Jun 14 20:18 |
ender_33 | reading between the lines gives the impression that world government is being promoted | Jun 14 20:22 |
qu1j0t3 | more or less. or rather, the de facto world government protecting itself. | Jun 14 20:22 |
qu1j0t3 | it's not as if we don't have one already. | Jun 14 20:22 |
qu1j0t3 | but yes, there's a single agenda. | Jun 14 20:22 |
ender_33 | true it just doesn't have sharp teeth | Jun 14 20:22 |
qu1j0t3 | Roy and I have often discussed it here. | Jun 14 20:22 |
qu1j0t3 | the 'consensus' | Jun 14 20:23 |
ender_33 | most of the people I talk to think its a good idea | Jun 14 20:23 |
qu1j0t3 | LOL | Jun 14 20:23 |
ender_33 | same with depop | Jun 14 20:23 |
qu1j0t3 | it's because they don't see it | Jun 14 20:23 |
qu1j0t3 | they think it 'might happen' | Jun 14 20:23 |
ender_33 | yeah | Jun 14 20:23 |
ender_33 | or that if it did it wouldnt be bad | Jun 14 20:23 |
qu1j0t3 | right | Jun 14 20:24 |
qu1j0t3 | i know the type of thinking | Jun 14 20:24 |
qu1j0t3 | it's seductive | Jun 14 20:24 |
qu1j0t3 | easy | Jun 14 20:24 |
qu1j0t3 | comforting | Jun 14 20:24 |
qu1j0t3 | it's fostered by corporate media we're discussing | Jun 14 20:24 |
qu1j0t3 | no matter whose masthead | Jun 14 20:24 |
ender_33 | to those people I ask 'can you pointpoint the date when the government became good for me' | Jun 14 20:24 |
qu1j0t3 | NYT, WaPo, HP, Fox, all of them. | Jun 14 20:24 |
ender_33 | I've researched enough to suggest in my own mind that the media is above government in power | Jun 14 20:25 |
*qu1j0t3 bbl | Jun 14 20:25 | |
ender_33 | the articles they print can effect elections | Jun 14 20:25 |
qu1j0t3 | ender_33: sure, in a way.. or rather, those behind the media.. | Jun 14 20:25 |
qu1j0t3 | of course. | Jun 14 20:25 |
qu1j0t3 | murdoch doesn't even hide this | Jun 14 20:26 |
qu1j0t3 | he's proud of it | Jun 14 20:26 |
ender_33 | bankers/corporations/religion | Jun 14 20:26 |
ender_33 | yeah murdoch is arrogant | Jun 14 20:26 |
ender_33 | his masters are gonna smash his face one of these days | Jun 14 20:26 |
ender_33 | they'll probably pull a Conrad Black on him | Jun 14 20:27 |
ender_33 | when they're done with him they'll show the public what he's stealing | Jun 14 20:29 |
ender_33 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_Black#Criminal_fraud_conviction_and_Supreme_Court_review | Jun 14 20:29 |
TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Conrad Black - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 105.49 KB | Jun 14 20:29 |
ender_33 | people in power are always commiting crimes | Jun 14 20:30 |
ender_33 | if they disobey an order, shit hits the fan | Jun 14 20:30 |
ender_33 | its a type of blackmail to keep them working on the agenda | Jun 14 20:30 |
ender_33 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_v._Chr%C3%A9tien | Jun 14 20:32 |
TechrightsBot-sc | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden | Jun 14 20:32 |
ender_33 | Black received peerage from the Queen for his crimes | Jun 14 20:32 |
qu1j0t3 | ender_33: i agree; i think what murdoch does must offend his clients | Jun 14 20:37 |
qu1j0t3 | ender_33: we're on exactly the same wavelength here, for once :) | Jun 14 20:37 |
qu1j0t3 | he has hubris | Jun 14 20:37 |
ender_33 | yes :) | Jun 14 20:37 |
ender_33 | he seems to be doing his job though | Jun 14 20:37 |
qu1j0t3 | yes | Jun 14 20:37 |
qu1j0t3 | maybe that's why they leave him alone | Jun 14 20:38 |
qu1j0t3 | he's too effective | Jun 14 20:38 |
qu1j0t3 | that's my suspicion for a while | Jun 14 20:38 |
ender_33 | just like the IMF guy | Jun 14 20:38 |
qu1j0t3 | haha | Jun 14 20:39 |
ender_33 | he WAS doing his job then they figured they needed to replace him fast | Jun 14 20:39 |
qu1j0t3 | usually they like to let them get old , less risky, less embarrassing. like greenspan. faithful servant. | Jun 14 20:39 |
qu1j0t3 | now he can recant, nobody cares | Jun 14 20:39 |
ender_33 | Weinergate | Jun 14 20:39 |
qu1j0t3 | "we can make life very difficult for you" | Jun 14 20:40 |
qu1j0t3 | lulz | Jun 14 20:40 |
ender_33 | "we can make you a lot of money if you follow orders" | Jun 14 20:40 |
ender_33 | "OR we can destroy you" | Jun 14 20:40 |
qu1j0t3 | exactly | Jun 14 20:41 |
qu1j0t3 | and i don't respect the sellouts (Arianna) | Jun 14 20:41 |
schestowitz | jfk? | Jun 14 20:41 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: :) | Jun 14 20:41 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: and dozens of others | Jun 14 20:41 |
ender_33 | jfk pointed out the agenda | Jun 14 20:41 |
ender_33 | dead after that speech | Jun 14 20:41 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: Ike | Jun 14 20:41 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i never worked out how Ike lived after 1961... but he was exiting | Jun 14 20:41 |
qu1j0t3 | they didn't need to do anything | Jun 14 20:41 |
qu1j0t3 | other projects went well | Jun 14 20:42 |
qu1j0t3 | Bay of Pigs | Jun 14 20:42 |
qu1j0t3 | TOnkin | Jun 14 20:42 |
qu1j0t3 | etc | Jun 14 20:42 |
ender_33 | "Tonkin never happened11!!!1!!11!!11!" | Jun 14 20:43 |
ender_33 | lol | Jun 14 20:43 |
qu1j0t3 | basically the Cold War solved everythign for decades | Jun 14 20:45 |
qu1j0t3 | end of Cold War exposed things, strategy had to evolve | Jun 14 20:45 |
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