Techrights logo

IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: June 14th, 2011

Join us now at the IRC channel.

*oiaohm has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Jun 14 00:00
schestowitzI'm removing the "Paying the Bill" part of the siteJun 14 02:16
schestowitzAll ads goneJun 14 02:16
*abeNd-org (~KKlenke@tx-76-0-81-65.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has joined #boycottnovell-socialJun 14 13:40
*qu1j0t3 (~qu1j0t3@vm4.telegraphics.com.au) has joined #boycottnovell-socialJun 14 14:14
*ender_33 (~ender2070@d72-38-2-153.commercial1.cgocable.net) has joined #boycottnovell-socialJun 14 14:42
*gnufreex (~quassel@109-92-56-23.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs) has joined #boycottnovell-socialJun 14 16:42
*abeNd-org has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)Jun 14 18:13
*abeNd-org (~KKlenke@76.0.81.65) has joined #boycottnovell-socialJun 14 18:14
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/76245875Jun 14 18:33
TechrightsBot-sc@Mike Linksvayer (mlinksva)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jun-11 17:24:36 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I don't see anything on http://adbard.net did they send a notice to sites and advertisers?Jun 14 18:33
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: Ad Bard Network | Ad Bard Network .::. Size~: 8.39 KBJun 14 18:33
schestowitzyes, at 1am GMTJun 14 18:33
schestowitzqu1j0t3: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janet-tavakoli/third-world-america-2011_b_873200.htmlJun 14 19:21
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Janet Tavakoli: Third World America 2011: Forget "Fast Tracking to Anarchy" We've Arrived .::. Size~: 356.92 KBJun 14 19:21
schestowitzHuff and Puff promotes selfJun 14 19:21
schestowitz"Third World America: How Our Politicians are Abandoning the Middle Class and Betraying the American Dream and talked about the Great Recession, the Great Bailout, and the Great Cover-Up of financial crimes. "Jun 14 19:21
schestowitzPoliticians are Abandoning the MiddleJun 14 19:21
schestowitzHm... says the multi-millionaire...Jun 14 19:21
schestowitzSomething tells me it's called being a jerkJun 14 19:21
schestowitzAnd it's her who exploited many writers to make another $300,000,000Jun 14 19:22
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/76250673Jun 14 19:30
TechrightsBot-sc@agentsmith's status on Tuesday, 14-Jun-11 18:14:28 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Oh, boy, it can't be just bad news these days, can it ?Jun 14 19:30
ender_33LOLJun 14 19:39
*gnufreex has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)Jun 14 19:41
qu1j0t3well, we all know what Arianna is.Jun 14 19:41
qu1j0t3schestowitz: I try to avoid going thereJun 14 19:42
ender_33what is the problem with the articleJun 14 19:42
ender_33aside from ad hominem attacksJun 14 19:42
qu1j0t3eh?Jun 14 19:42
qu1j0t3there's nothing personal in calling Arianna out as a hypocrite and a liar.Jun 14 19:43
qu1j0t3it's all there in black and whiteJun 14 19:43
qu1j0t3that is, if you 've been paying attentionJun 14 19:43
*gnufreex (~quassel@109-93-228-107.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs) has joined #boycottnovell-socialJun 14 19:43
ender_33I have been paying attentionJun 14 19:43
qu1j0t3so you'd know what she's been doing for yearsJun 14 19:43
ender_33what is wrong with the article itselfJun 14 19:43
qu1j0t3i didn't read the article, but the headline summarises the tripe that Arianna peddlesJun 14 19:44
qu1j0t3very deliberatelyJun 14 19:44
qu1j0t3she's a mini-Murdoch, in this respectJun 14 19:44
ender_33rich people can't publish an accurate article?Jun 14 19:44
qu1j0t3ender_33: the level of suspicion required is beyond most peopleJun 14 19:45
qu1j0t3eveyrthing that gets printed there is deliberateJun 14 19:45
ender_33I can say that about all mediaJun 14 19:46
ender_33in fact its trueJun 14 19:46
qu1j0t3yes it is.Jun 14 19:46
qu1j0t3it's astonishing how little criticism HP gets for its propagandisingJun 14 19:47
qu1j0t3it's increasingly brazenJun 14 19:47
qu1j0t3you'd think the AOL thing might have clued a few in...Jun 14 19:47
*qu1j0t3 sighsJun 14 19:49
qu1j0t3anywayJun 14 19:49
qu1j0t3the headline isn't a good sign, since "Third World America" is the title of AH's book, is it not?Jun 14 19:49
qu1j0t3one hand washes the other...Jun 14 19:49
ender_33lolJun 14 19:58
schestowitzender_33: you need to see it in percepctiveJun 14 20:02
schestowitzArianna propmotes rich charlatans when it suits hereJun 14 20:03
schestowitzWhen it adds value to her 'asset' (Huff and Puff)Jun 14 20:03
schestowitzShe wants to eat the coins and have them too)Jun 14 20:03
ender_33I see all media in perspectiveJun 14 20:04
ender_33shes self promoting her book, but its not to say america isn't turning into a third world countryJun 14 20:04
qu1j0t3of course it is.Jun 14 20:05
qu1j0t3that's not my objection Jun 14 20:05
qu1j0t3my objection is to Arianna's utter duplicity in helping make that happen, while writing books about it.Jun 14 20:06
qu1j0t3it's staggeringJun 14 20:06
ender_33I doubt shes causing itJun 14 20:06
ender_33just by being richJun 14 20:06
ender_33not every rich person is evilJun 14 20:06
qu1j0t3eh?Jun 14 20:07
ender_33my grandmother got rich without being evilJun 14 20:07
qu1j0t3then you *havent* been paying attentionJun 14 20:07
ender_33she bought houses during the 80s market crash, and sold them in the 90s when it recoveredJun 14 20:07
qu1j0t3eh?Jun 14 20:07
qu1j0t3you really haven't looked hard at herJun 14 20:07
qu1j0t3try harderJun 14 20:07
ender_33honestly i don't know much about herJun 14 20:08
qu1j0t3for a start, she married a republican oil baronJun 14 20:08
ender_33tony blair was a member of the fabian society (left wing group) along with gordon brownJun 14 20:08
ender_33tony blair's made quite a bit of change after leaving officeJun 14 20:09
qu1j0t3yesJun 14 20:09
qu1j0t315 mln a year, i heardJun 14 20:09
qu1j0t3that mechanism is extremely interestingJun 14 20:09
qu1j0t315 mln -pounds-, not the US peso :)Jun 14 20:09
ender_33:)Jun 14 20:09
ender_33I try not to focus on left/right politics even though I'm quite guiltyJun 14 20:10
qu1j0t3i'm not talking left/right hereJun 14 20:10
ender_33oil and bankers are a false hegelian dialecticJun 14 20:10
qu1j0t3it's about connectionsJun 14 20:10
qu1j0t3in Ariannas caseJun 14 20:10
qu1j0t3and it goes beyond the USJun 14 20:10
ender_33the non-murdoch press has ties tooJun 14 20:10
qu1j0t3she's an example of it.Jun 14 20:11
qu1j0t3she's the counterpart to FoxJun 14 20:11
ender_33all of the press has tiesJun 14 20:11
qu1j0t3HuffPo 's job is to amplify FoxJun 14 20:11
qu1j0t3and that's what they do. Jun 14 20:11
ender_33yeahJun 14 20:11
ender_33but what does everyone else doJun 14 20:11
ender_33the non-murdoch press does the same thingJun 14 20:11
ender_33its not a murdoch inventionJun 14 20:11
qu1j0t3they aren't critical of HP, I know that much :)Jun 14 20:11
qu1j0t3sighJun 14 20:12
ender_33you have all of the non-murdoch press demonizing the murdoch pressJun 14 20:12
qu1j0t3ender_33: the problem is that Fox and HP are backing the same agenda.Jun 14 20:12
ender_33its obviousJun 14 20:12
ender_33its just a gameJun 14 20:12
qu1j0t3i'm not complaining about the methods being the same. i'm complaining about the backers, the agenda, and ends being the same.Jun 14 20:12
ender_33the opposite agenda is being pursued by the non-murdoch mediaJun 14 20:12
qu1j0t3it's trivial to show Arianna is backed by the same people as Fox.Jun 14 20:13
qu1j0t3that's why i'm astonished she gets away with itJun 14 20:13
qu1j0t3two arms on the same bodyJun 14 20:14
qu1j0t3just like the D and R partiesJun 14 20:14
ender_33think of it like thisJun 14 20:14
ender_33Murdoch media = RJun 14 20:14
ender_33other = DJun 14 20:14
qu1j0t3both serving the same mastersJun 14 20:14
qu1j0t3-that's- my beefJun 14 20:14
ender_33non-murdoch media = AOL, Walt Disney, Seagram, Viacom, GEJun 14 20:16
ender_33they own all the non murdoch pressJun 14 20:16
ender_33they have an agenda tooJun 14 20:16
qu1j0t3it's the SAME agenda.Jun 14 20:16
qu1j0t3sigh.Jun 14 20:16
qu1j0t3same backers.Jun 14 20:16
ender_33those guys bash murdochJun 14 20:16
qu1j0t3LOLJun 14 20:16
qu1j0t3yes, it's a distraction, just like D/R distinction is supposed to beJun 14 20:16
ender_33yesJun 14 20:16
qu1j0t3it's part of the noise machineJun 14 20:17
ender_33thats why I don't get itJun 14 20:17
qu1j0t3"Fox said this!" "No way!" Jun 14 20:17
ender_33why attack murdoch and not all mediaJun 14 20:17
ender_33when its not just murdochJun 14 20:17
qu1j0t3eh?Jun 14 20:17
qu1j0t3read above...Jun 14 20:17
qu1j0t3i have an equal amount of vitriol for the collaborators under other flags.Jun 14 20:17
qu1j0t3large among which is AriannaJun 14 20:17
ender_33the media is one thingJun 14 20:17
qu1j0t3s/which/whom/Jun 14 20:18
ender_33reading between the lines gives the impression that world government is being promotedJun 14 20:22
qu1j0t3more or less. or rather, the de facto world government protecting itself.Jun 14 20:22
qu1j0t3it's not as if we don't have one already.Jun 14 20:22
qu1j0t3but yes, there's a single agenda.Jun 14 20:22
ender_33true it just doesn't have sharp teethJun 14 20:22
qu1j0t3Roy and I have often discussed it here.Jun 14 20:22
qu1j0t3the 'consensus'Jun 14 20:23
ender_33most of the people I talk to think its a good ideaJun 14 20:23
qu1j0t3LOLJun 14 20:23
ender_33same with depopJun 14 20:23
qu1j0t3it's because they don't see itJun 14 20:23
qu1j0t3they think it 'might happen'Jun 14 20:23
ender_33yeahJun 14 20:23
ender_33or that if it did it wouldnt be badJun 14 20:23
qu1j0t3rightJun 14 20:24
qu1j0t3i know the type of thinkingJun 14 20:24
qu1j0t3it's seductiveJun 14 20:24
qu1j0t3easyJun 14 20:24
qu1j0t3comfortingJun 14 20:24
qu1j0t3it's fostered by corporate media we're discussingJun 14 20:24
qu1j0t3no matter whose mastheadJun 14 20:24
ender_33to those people I ask 'can you pointpoint the date when the government became good for me'Jun 14 20:24
qu1j0t3NYT, WaPo, HP, Fox, all of them.Jun 14 20:24
ender_33I've researched enough to suggest in my own mind that the media is above government in powerJun 14 20:25
*qu1j0t3 bblJun 14 20:25
ender_33the articles they print can effect electionsJun 14 20:25
qu1j0t3ender_33: sure, in a way.. or rather, those behind the media..Jun 14 20:25
qu1j0t3of course.Jun 14 20:25
qu1j0t3murdoch doesn't even hide thisJun 14 20:26
qu1j0t3he's proud of itJun 14 20:26
ender_33bankers/corporations/religionJun 14 20:26
ender_33yeah murdoch is arrogantJun 14 20:26
ender_33his masters are gonna smash his face one of these daysJun 14 20:26
ender_33they'll probably pull a Conrad Black on himJun 14 20:27
ender_33when they're done with him they'll show the public what he's stealingJun 14 20:29
ender_33http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_Black#Criminal_fraud_conviction_and_Supreme_Court_reviewJun 14 20:29
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Conrad Black - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 105.49 KBJun 14 20:29
ender_33people in power are always commiting crimesJun 14 20:30
ender_33if they disobey an order, shit hits the fanJun 14 20:30
ender_33its a type of blackmail to keep them working on the agendaJun 14 20:30
ender_33http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_v._Chr%C3%A9tienJun 14 20:32
TechrightsBot-scError processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 ForbiddenJun 14 20:32
ender_33Black received peerage from the Queen for his crimesJun 14 20:32
qu1j0t3ender_33: i agree; i think what murdoch does must offend his clientsJun 14 20:37
qu1j0t3ender_33: we're on exactly the same wavelength here, for once :)Jun 14 20:37
qu1j0t3he has hubrisJun 14 20:37
ender_33yes :)Jun 14 20:37
ender_33he seems to be doing his job thoughJun 14 20:37
qu1j0t3yesJun 14 20:37
qu1j0t3maybe that's why they leave him aloneJun 14 20:38
qu1j0t3he's too effectiveJun 14 20:38
qu1j0t3that's my suspicion for a whileJun 14 20:38
ender_33just like the IMF guyJun 14 20:38
qu1j0t3haha Jun 14 20:39
ender_33he WAS doing his job then they figured they needed to replace him fastJun 14 20:39
qu1j0t3usually they like to let them get old , less risky, less embarrassing. like greenspan. faithful servant.Jun 14 20:39
qu1j0t3now he can recant, nobody caresJun 14 20:39
ender_33WeinergateJun 14 20:39
qu1j0t3"we can make life very difficult for you"Jun 14 20:40
qu1j0t3lulzJun 14 20:40
ender_33"we can make you a lot of money if you follow orders"Jun 14 20:40
ender_33"OR we can destroy you"Jun 14 20:40
qu1j0t3exactlyJun 14 20:41
qu1j0t3and i don't respect the sellouts (Arianna)Jun 14 20:41
schestowitzjfk?Jun 14 20:41
qu1j0t3schestowitz: :)Jun 14 20:41
qu1j0t3schestowitz: and dozens of othersJun 14 20:41
ender_33jfk pointed out the agendaJun 14 20:41
ender_33dead after that speechJun 14 20:41
qu1j0t3schestowitz: IkeJun 14 20:41
qu1j0t3schestowitz: i never worked out how Ike lived after 1961... but he was exitingJun 14 20:41
qu1j0t3they didn't need to do anythingJun 14 20:41
qu1j0t3other projects went wellJun 14 20:42
qu1j0t3Bay of PigsJun 14 20:42
qu1j0t3TOnkin Jun 14 20:42
qu1j0t3etcJun 14 20:42
ender_33"Tonkin never happened11!!!1!!11!!11!"Jun 14 20:43
ender_33lolJun 14 20:43
qu1j0t3basically the Cold War solved everythign for decadesJun 14 20:45
qu1j0t3end of Cold War exposed things, strategy had to evolveJun 14 20:45
*gnufreex has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)Jun 14 22:30
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 14 22:49:58 2011
*Now talking on #boycottnovell-socialJun 14 22:49
*Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell-social for http://TechRights.org | Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovellJun 14 22:49
*Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:20:14 2010Jun 14 22:49
*abeNd-org has quit (Quit: Leaving.)Jun 14 23:08
*abeNd-org (~KKlenke@tx-76-0-81-65.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has joined #boycottnovell-socialJun 14 23:10

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!