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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm2J2SFyAqc&feature=digest | Jun 16 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/explodingwalrus/status/81375165623185408 https://twitter.com/explodingwalrus/status/81375388957278208 | Jun 16 16:16 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @explodingwalrus: RT @schestowitz: Ubuntu to offer infotainment in your vehicle http://ur1.ca/4g40p Good news as long as unity does not crash | Jun 16 16:16 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @: | Jun 16 16:16 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @explodingwalrus: @schestowitz would be better with an nedia centre interface like XBMC | Jun 16 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | Rain tomorrow :-( http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/9 | Jun 16 19:36 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: BBC Weather | Manchester .::. Size~: 61.37 KB | Jun 16 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Just more rain, unpleasant to be out | Jun 16 19:36 |
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| ender_33 | boring day | Jun 16 20:05 |
| ender_33 | can't wait to go home | Jun 16 20:05 |
| ender_33 | I want to kill some alien bastards | Jun 16 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | which game? | Jun 16 21:12 |
| ender_33 | Duke Nukem Forever | Jun 16 21:14 |
| abeNd-org | i heard it was good, for 10 yrs ago | Jun 16 21:15 |
| ender_33 | its probably not the best game in the world but its the best i've played in a while | Jun 16 21:15 |
| ender_33 | I like the offensive jokes that get it bad reviews | Jun 16 21:16 |
| ender_33 | aliens shut down his Duke Cave computer; after he got it turned back on the computer said 'You really know how to turn a girl on' | Jun 16 21:27 |
| ender_33 | I got a smart ass email back from the author of that article | Jun 16 21:29 |
| ender_33 | "Heh. You said 'taint'." | Jun 16 21:29 |
| ender_33 | I said his offense at the jokes tainted the rest of his review | Jun 16 21:30 |
| ender_33 | what an asshole | Jun 16 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | Was it Arse Non-Technical? | Jun 16 21:39 |
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| ender_33 | Ben Kuchera | Jun 16 21:41 |
| schestowitz | They have some good writers like Nate | Jun 16 21:41 |
| ender_33 | beavis and butthead must offend him | Jun 16 21:43 |
| ender_33 | lol | Jun 16 21:43 |
| schestowitz | if the game loses girls, that\s more than half the population | Jun 16 21:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | i'm not sure it ever picked up any | Jun 16 21:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | :) | Jun 16 21:48 |
| schestowitz | ::> | Jun 16 21:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thevarguy.com/2011/06/13/does-lions-safari-only-mode-push-it-into-chrome-territory/ | Jun 16 21:55 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Does Lion's Safari-Only Mode Push it Into Chrome Territory? | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 68.75 KB | Jun 16 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Mole.. http://www.pcworld.com/article/229403/nokia_not_ready_for_a_tablet_yet.html | Jun 16 22:08 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Nokia Not Ready for a Tablet -- Yet | PCWorld .::. Size~: 101.3 KB | Jun 16 22:08 |
| schestowitz | "Unless Nokia has a hidden ace up its sleeve, "other software assets" refers to the Linux-based MeeGo operating system that Nokia's been working on in various forms for six years, although MeeGo now sees developer help from Intel and Novell, among others. " | Jun 16 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Is this no antitrust law that may apply to moles? | Jun 16 22:08 |
| abeNd-org | dang, i guess they want to close libraries everywhere, large cities http://lisnews.org/mayor_bloomberg_don039t_close_new_york_city_libraries universities, public schools, etc... whats up next? | Jun 16 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Mayor Bloomberg, Don't Close New York City Libraries!!! | LISNews: .::. Size~: 18.56 KB | Jun 16 22:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | :| | Jun 16 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | abeNd-org: bill will save the day | Jun 16 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Windows for any broke kid | Jun 16 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Free sampls | Jun 16 22:37 |
| schestowitz | First one's free | Jun 16 22:37 |
| abeNd-org | not sure how that will save the day, he cant worm his way into school/university/public libraries if they are closed | Jun 16 22:40 |
| schestowitz | I was partly doing banter there... :/p | Jun 16 22:46 |
| abeNd-org | yeah, i know | Jun 16 22:47 |
| abeNd-org | i think i would rather have the libraries supported by bill than shutdown | Jun 16 22:47 |
| schestowitz | he does not maintain libraries | Jun 16 22:56 |
| schestowitz | He only pays for Windows+connection | Jun 16 22:56 |
| schestowitz | LOL... you thought he'd pay if there's no RoI? | Jun 16 22:57 |
| schestowitz | He's a smarter businessman than that | Jun 16 22:57 |
| schestowitz | It needs to have lock-in/patents and/or PR | Jun 16 22:57 |
| abeNd-org | the problem with libraries is they only cost the city money, they don't pull money in like the courts | Jun 16 22:58 |
| abeNd-org | so cities now see libraries as useless | Jun 16 22:59 |
| abeNd-org | too bad those out of work with no computer or internet connection at home dont see it that way | Jun 16 22:59 |
| schestowitz | knowledge returns value | Jun 16 23:05 |
| schestowitz | A city needs to attract minds | Jun 16 23:05 |
| schestowitz | It breeds good business and society | Jun 16 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Competitive regions | Jun 16 23:05 |
| schestowitz | And if a library is being used, someone gets access to information at the cost of lights and librarien mostly | Jun 16 23:05 |
| schestowitz | *ians | Jun 16 23:06 |
| schestowitz | [22:59] <abeNd-org> too bad those out of work with no computer or internet connection at home dont see it that way | Jun 16 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Half my jobs are done from hom with SSH | Jun 16 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Even now I'm working | Jun 16 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Running an experiment that will carry on running overnight in workspace 8, on a computation server | Jun 16 23:07 |
| schestowitz | I basically argue that a lot of jobs can be relocated to reduce pollution now, mostly everything except physical jobs that need on-site presence | Jun 16 23:07 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Jun 16 23:07 |
| schestowitz | If you move more employees into their houses, then too fewer staff like cleaners and shopkeepers would be needed in town | Jun 16 23:07 |
| abeNd-org | i could do a lot of what i do remotely as well, but some customers want to see people working onsite | Jun 16 23:08 |
| schestowitz | In which case the jobs distribution can change rather widely and people are then using the sockets -- not the city premises -- as hubs | Jun 16 23:08 |
| abeNd-org | i would be happy to employ a housekeeper, it would free me up to study more | Jun 16 23:08 |
| schestowitz | what are your peripheral interests? | Jun 16 23:09 |
| abeNd-org | me? none, my life consists of work, & sometimes sleep :/ | Jun 16 23:10 |
| schestowitz | if you enjoy work to an extent, that's good | Jun 16 23:12 |
| schestowitz | I know people who live like this | Jun 16 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Here's what bothered me the other day | Jun 16 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Was on the phone with someone rberating someone for imposing one's own life standard on another | Jun 16 23:13 |
| abeNd-org | i do enjoy work, however i would love to be able to enjoy non-work too, if i had the time | Jun 16 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Driving him to feelings of inferiority and lack of acceptance | Jun 16 23:13 |
| schestowitz | All for the glory of one's *own* liifestyle | Jun 16 23:13 |
| schestowitz | So those who pretend to 'help' others with advice are acutally trying to help themselves | Jun 16 23:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | abeNd-org: right, i've put a lot of thought into this lately | Jun 16 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Fitting their environment to themselves and serving their own ego while destoroying others' life | Jun 16 23:14 |
| schestowitz | When I come to think of it, plutocratds do so too | Jun 16 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Changing the school system to fit their own ego and eganda | Jun 16 23:15 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't matter to them if they damage the kids | Jun 16 23:15 |
| abeNd-org | my wife & i don't have kids, decided for the time being since neither of us have the proper time to take care of them, whats the point....but something has got to give eventually, i cant pour 100% of my life into work all the time | Jun 16 23:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | abeNd-org: exactly | Jun 16 23:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | abeNd-org: i think we should deeply question the way the status quo is constructed. | Jun 16 23:20 |
| abeNd-org | problem is, i dont pour 100% into work, im considered slacker, & then unemployed.. that also would do child rearing no good | Jun 16 23:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | it seems both very arbitrary and very destructive | Jun 16 23:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | abeNd-org: EXACTLTY! | Jun 16 23:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | you're either IN or OUT. | Jun 16 23:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's ridiculous. | Jun 16 23:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's time to question this absolutism | Jun 16 23:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's f****** stupid | Jun 16 23:21 |
| schestowitz | I see that too | Jun 16 23:26 |
| schestowitz | My best friend here doesn't marry his 10 year g/f | Jun 16 23:27 |
| schestowitz | And no plans for kids either | Jun 16 23:27 |
| schestowitz | His employer takes up all his life almost | Jun 16 23:27 |
| schestowitz | I take that as the example of what I need to /avoid/ | Jun 16 23:27 |
| schestowitz | I know people in the same situation, but they underplay the seriousness of this for status reasojn | Jun 16 23:27 |
| schestowitz | People like to pretend they take it easy and play hard | Jun 16 23:28 |
| abeNd-org | yes, i would love to roll back, but in the next month im scheduled out of town for 2 weeks min, that doesnt help either | Jun 16 23:28 |
| abeNd-org | i guess there is the option of getting another job, if such exists, which there is not much to choose from around here, and it would mean quite a pay cut from my already paltry pay | Jun 16 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Not good for diet and exercise | Jun 16 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Too much volatility | Jun 16 23:29 |
| abeNd-org | schestowitz you have that right, im so far out of shape its not even funny | Jun 16 23:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: I could rant for hours about how wrong the status quo is. | Jun 16 23:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it's constructed. | Jun 16 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Some friends of mine only come to the gym at lunch break | Jun 16 23:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i discussed it with a workplace researcher | Jun 16 23:29 |
| schestowitz | They have exactly one hou to rush and shower | Jun 16 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Than maybe eat a snack | Jun 16 23:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | ya | Jun 16 23:30 |
| schestowitz | After waking up too early to be hungry | Jun 16 23:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | i restarted full time work recently | Jun 16 23:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | i didn't want to , but there are no other options on offer around here | Jun 16 23:30 |
| schestowitz | And eating snacks to suppress appetite, so dinner too is pointless | Jun 16 23:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes | Jun 16 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Like that 5-6 dy a week | Jun 16 23:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | it screws EVERYTHING up | Jun 16 23:30 |
| schestowitz | 1 day off, 6 on.. | Jun 16 23:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | on small scale and even worse on the larger scale | Jun 16 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Many don't give a 5-2 cycle | Jun 16 23:30 |
| schestowitz | For me, I can go tot he gym any time... | Jun 16 23:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | full time work amplifies the general inequalities in society | Jun 16 23:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's my main realisation | Jun 16 23:31 |
| schestowitz | I work mostly based on my own schedule, from home | Jun 16 23:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | i used to! | Jun 16 23:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | back when we used to be able to chat | Jun 16 23:31 |
| schestowitz | I tried hard to avoid the "other lifestyle" | Jun 16 23:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | no shit | Jun 16 23:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | so did i | Jun 16 23:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | i avoided it for years | Jun 16 23:31 |
| schestowitz | I had two 40 hours+/week jobs | Jun 16 23:31 |
| schestowitz | I'd try to pack food gor lunch | Jun 16 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Go to gym till 11PM!!!! | Jun 16 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Then sleep | Jun 16 23:32 |
| schestowitz | wake up early, and repeat | Jun 16 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Thought to myself, I've got other things to do with my life | Jun 16 23:32 |
| schestowitz | o the lattr of those two jobs was from age 20 | Jun 16 23:32 |
| schestowitz | People are no anxious about social inadequacy | Jun 16 23:33 |
| schestowitz | o they're eager to give up life to pretend to have a good life | Jun 16 23:33 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather work part time, live humbly, be happy rather than act like I'm happy | Jun 16 23:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | they're not given any option, either in reality or in imagination | Jun 16 23:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's deliberate | Jun 16 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Many are not given the option, ture.. | Jun 16 23:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | not even in their thinking. | Jun 16 23:34 |
| schestowitz | My friend Peter was so nervous when he got made redundant that he took another job and did both at once | Jun 16 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Like 14 hour work days | Jun 16 23:34 |
| schestowitz | His eyes were showing he didn't sleep | Jun 16 23:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | if they had other options, ways of existing in their mental space, they'd open room for them | Jun 16 23:34 |
| schestowitz | He lost loads of weight due to pressure | Jun 16 23:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | but the barrage of crap is designed to crowd out any options | Jun 16 23:34 |
| abeNd-org | bosses love to make you paranoid, they live for that shit | Jun 16 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Got a masters in physio and works as a waiter now | Jun 16 23:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | bosses aren't the problem , though ;) | Jun 16 23:35 |
| abeNd-org | "oh, and you cant handle everything going on, you arent sufficient for the job" | Jun 16 23:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | abeNd-org: right, but the problem is the way work is packaged. | Jun 16 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Jop insecurity is good for companies | Jun 16 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Keeps people working overtime unpaid | Jun 16 23:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | bosses aren't given any options either. | Jun 16 23:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | they can't question the packaging | Jun 16 23:35 |
| schestowitz | They exploit work insecurity | Jun 16 23:35 |
| schestowitz | In the UK, IIRC, manyh question value of degrees and only about 1 in 4 graduates does the designated job | Jun 16 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Maybe 1 in 3, depends on how it's measured | Jun 16 23:36 |
| schestowitz | [23:34] <abeNd-org> bosses love to make you paranoid, they live for that shit | Jun 16 23:36 |
| schestowitz | I saw them mentally abusing colleagues | Jun 16 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Or clients doing it | Jun 16 23:36 |
| schestowitz | It's the bully's 9inferiority complex | Jun 16 23:37 |
| schestowitz | It helps their ego when they retaliate and demonstrate their strength to themselves | Jun 16 23:37 |
| abeNd-org | heh, & with my hair...its a race to see where it goes first, all grey or bald by 40... "you should just learn to manage your stress better" | Jun 16 23:39 |
| schestowitz | phones add to stress.. for me at least | Jun 16 23:40 |
| schestowitz | You don't control when to handle them, unlike stuff on the desktop | Jun 16 23:40 |
| schestowitz | I consider starting to disconnect it more | Jun 16 23:40 |
| abeNd-org | and a total distraction | Jun 16 23:41 |
| schestowitz | When answering I can be overloaded with X thoughts and then lose all of them when it rings | Jun 16 23:41 |
| abeNd-org | and im not even talking about the freaks driving & texting | Jun 16 23:41 |
| schestowitz | And that too adds to pressure | Jun 16 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes in shared offices there are other distractions including others' phones | Jun 16 23:41 |
| schestowitz | abeNd-org: I drive with some sometimes | Jun 16 23:42 |
| schestowitz | And when I get angry at them they behave like it's me who's wrong | Jun 16 23:42 |
| schestowitz | "Everyone's doing it.." | Jun 16 23:42 |
| schestowitz | You know, I wonder what % of all accidents today are caused by 'closer' txters' | Jun 16 23:42 |
| abeNd-org | "oh, i am sorry that i don't want to die from your distracted driving....how about i light up about 10 cigars in your car, you don't mind the smoke do you?" | Jun 16 23:42 |
| schestowitz | You rarely find out thet the driver didn't just suck but was on phone, changing tracks, reading IM, etc. | Jun 16 23:43 |
| schestowitz | don't mind, do you? | Jun 16 23:43 |
| schestowitz | First nagtive | Jun 16 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Not "you do mind... or don't you?" | Jun 16 23:43 |
| schestowitz | *negative | Jun 16 23:44 |
| schestowitz | *saying this while already holding the lighter next to the cigar | Jun 16 23:44 |
| schestowitz | "Now I have to go OUT OF MY WAY and put the cigar back in the pack, the lighter back in the bag" | Jun 16 23:45 |
| abeNd-org | i try to set my phone to mute when i am in the middle of a project, but all too often i have to be on call for something else | Jun 16 23:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | later guys. | Jun 16 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | If love life was like that, you'd get back from the kitchen naked and tell the girlfriend, you don't mind, do you? I won't go through the trouble of getting dressed up again" | Jun 16 23:53 |
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