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schestowitzAnd none is public yet, will be published all at onceJun 27 00:00
qu1j0t3hmJun 27 00:09
qu1j0t3a wikidump!Jun 27 00:09
schestowitzBy sending material in PDF format I can better set layout and embed equations.Jun 27 00:18
schestowitzqu1j0t3: noJun 27 00:18
schestowitzPDFJun 27 00:18
schestowitzqu1j0t3:  a mate told me today that Spain's employment among youth is 45% nowJun 27 00:34
schestowitzI then asked him how they define thatJun 27 00:34
schestowitzHe says ages 16-2Jun 27 00:34
schestowitzHe says ages 16-25Jun 27 00:34
schestowitzWhich is still amazingJun 27 00:35
schestowitzTestament to the coming unrest, like in north AfricaJun 27 00:35
schestowitzthis guy knows Spain well, got two PhDs and also very concerned about the economy there. Another friend, a professor who move to Barcelona, says that the jobs market there is utterly poor. It won't take long till all Western nations will be like Spain (or Greece)Jun 27 00:36
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qu1j0t316-25, well, yes, that's a horrendous figure.Jun 27 01:13
schestowitzhalf the people working, half... well, maybe will do drugsJun 27 01:16
schestowitzbut general level is just over 20% AFAIKJun 27 01:16
schestowitz!google spain bankruptJun 27 01:16
TechrightsSocial[1] - Will Spain bankrupt in 2010? - Yahoo! Answers | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index%3Fqid%3D20101025044419AAQcbHqJun 27 01:16
TechrightsSocial[2] - Philip II of Spain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_II_of_SpainJun 27 01:16
TechrightsSocial[3] - Greece, Spain, Portugal…The state is bankrupt | International ... | http://en.internationalism.org/wr/2010/332/leadJun 27 01:16
TechrightsSocial[4] - Georges Ugeux: Spain Is Not Close to Bankruptcy: Amalgamation ... | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/georges-ugeux/spain-is-not-close-to-ban_b_566923.htmlJun 27 01:16
schestowitz!google portugal bankruptJun 27 01:16
TechrightsSocial[1] - Some European countries are in the habit of going bankrupt ... | http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100081316/some-european-countries-are-in-the-habit-of-going-bankrupt/Jun 27 01:16
TechrightsSocial[2] - Portugal on brink of bankruptcy - National European Finance ... | http://www.examiner.com/european-finance-in-national/portugal-on-brink-bankruptcyJun 27 01:16
TechrightsSocial[3] - Greece, Spain, Portugal…The state is bankrupt | International ... | http://en.internationalism.org/wr/2010/332/leadJun 27 01:16
TechrightsSocial[4] - Portugal bankrupt and bailout needed | The Coming Depression | http://www.thecomingdepression.com/2011/portugal-bankrupt-and-bailout-needed/Jun 27 01:16
schestowitz!google greece bankruptJun 27 01:17
TechrightsSocial[1] - Let reckless Greece go bankrupt and leave the euro, says Boris ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/20/greece-should-leave-euro-says-boris-johnsonJun 27 01:17
TechrightsSocial[2] - Boris Johnson: let Greece go bankrupt and leave the euro - Telegraph | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8585704/Boris-Johnson-let-Greece-go-bankrupt-and-leave-the-euro.htmlJun 27 01:17
TechrightsSocial[3] - Greece Aid 'Kicking Can Down Road,' Says Pimco's Balls - Bloomberg | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-21/greece-essentially-bankrupt-even-with-aid-balls.htmlJun 27 01:17
TechrightsSocial[4] - Greece "Essentially Bankrupt" Says Analyst With World's Most ... | http://www.minyanville.com/dailyfeed/2011/06/21/greece-essentially-bankrupt-says-analyst/Jun 27 01:17
schestowitz!google ireland bankruptJun 27 01:17
TechrightsSocial[1] - After Months of Resisting, Ireland Applies for Bailout - NYTimes.com | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/22/business/global/22debt.htmlJun 27 01:17
TechrightsSocial[2] - DOCTOR DOOM: Ireland Will Go Bankrupt If It Doesn't Burn The ... | http://www.businessinsider.com/doctor-doom-ireland-will-go-bankrupt-if-it-doesnt-burn-its-bondholders-2011-5Jun 27 01:17
TechrightsSocial[3] - Is Ireland going bankrupt? - CSMonitor.com | http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/The-Adam-Smith-Institute-Blog/2010/1005/Is-Ireland-going-bankruptJun 27 01:17
TechrightsSocial[4] - Will Ireland go bankrupt? Economic historian sheds light on latest ... | http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-11-ireland-bankrupt-economic-historian-latest.htmlJun 27 01:17
qu1j0t3"As market research takes on the character of social engineering and education, it draws attention to the fact that an industrial society must have exceptional awareness of its processes. A small mechanical miscalculation always costs money and often costs lives. We have long been familiar with the need for exactitude and awareness in mechanical, commercial, and military operations. But we Jun 27 01:21
qu1j0t3are just beginning to learn how all these operations themselves have been affecting the quality of individual and social life for the past century and a half. Until a few years ago liberal economic theory scoffed at the possibility of social deterioration and impoverishment as long as economic advance was statistically evident.Jun 27 01:21
qu1j0t3schestowitz: this was a good read (unrelated to that McLuhan paste above): /b 6Jun 27 01:24
qu1j0t3http://thebrowser.com/interviews/paul-krugman-on-inspiration-liberal-economistJun 27 01:24
TechrightsSocialTitle: Paul Krugman on Inspiration for a Liberal Economist | FiveBooks | The Browser .::. Size~: 46.37 KBJun 27 01:24
schestowitzyeah, is this new? [the post/intrview]Jun 27 01:47
schestowitzI try to focus on Linux stuff now, limited time and all....Jun 27 01:47
qu1j0t3not sure if it's new.Jun 27 01:52
qu1j0t3well yes, you don't see me around much, working full time. :-XJun 27 01:53
schestowitzThese days it means mdian 60 hours/wekJun 27 01:59
schestowitzinc. commuting, dressing up, shave, etc.Jun 27 01:59
schestowitzanywya, gnJun 27 02:00
qu1j0t3niteJun 27 02:06
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schestowitzMinceR: LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkns2km-WzI&feature=digest_fri,7-99:digestJun 27 10:00
TechrightsSocialTitle: YouTube         - ‪Promo for Hamza Tzortzis on the Magic Sandwich‬‏ .::. Size~: 118.45 KBJun 27 10:00
schestowitzBetter quality version... funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOUq7gG-Yl8&feature=relatedJun 27 10:12
TechrightsSocialTitle: YouTube         - ‪Koran is right, even when it is wrong.......‬‏ .::. Size~: 117.37 KBJun 27 10:12
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schestowitzBefore I forget,  today was a lovely day.. :-)Jun 27 13:34
schestowitzall sunnyJun 27 13:34
schestowitz32 degressJun 27 13:34
schestowitzalso met this nice girls outside...Jun 27 13:34
schestowitz I told her about: http://techrights.org she thougnt I was against companies in general oddly enoughJun 27 13:34
TechrightsSocialTitle: Main Page - Techrights .::. Size~: 39.11 KBJun 27 13:34
schestowitzPeople tend to assume thatJun 27 13:34
schestowitzIt's not too negative, is it? ;-)Jun 27 13:36
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oiaohmschestowitz: You don't do many positive articals on it.Jun 27 15:18
oiaohmschestowitz: It would be a change to slip a few in from time to time prasing the few companies that are doing the right things.Jun 27 15:19
ender_33oiaohm - what are you talking aboutJun 27 15:20
schestowitzoiaohm: it would make boring articlesJun 27 15:23
schestowitzI do praise some thingsJun 27 15:23
schestowitzSee my latest 2 postsJun 27 15:23
schestowitzOne praising IndiaJun 27 15:23
MinceRthey might improve the image of the site though :>Jun 27 15:23
schestowitzAnother basically about the vocabulary gamesJun 27 15:23
schestowitzMinceR: I guess soJun 27 15:24
schestowitzWe're not a fulltime antagonist, there are the daily links for exampleJun 27 15:24
oiaohmschestowitz: that is the problem.  A good news story is can be way harder to write interesting,Jun 27 15:32
oiaohmschestowitz: I should have been more exact.  More positive articals for companies doing the right thing.Jun 27 15:36
oiaohmschestowitz: You are very good at doing positivie articals for goverments doing the right thing.Jun 27 15:37
oiaohmschestowitz: Yes finding companies doing positive things is also harder I know that.Jun 27 15:37
oiaohmschestowitz: basically that is way the girl saw it as negitive against companies.  They are very good at spotting miss blance and taking it to extream.Jun 27 15:38
abeNd-orgfinding companies *actually* doing good, not something that looks good to the public but is somehow actually screwing them overJun 27 15:39
oiaohmabeNd-org: exactly is hard to find and rare.Jun 27 15:39
oiaohmabeNd-org: good news stories are always harder.Jun 27 15:40
abeNd-orgnot to mention most people could care less about good news, it seems people would rather have TMZ than anything elseJun 27 15:41
oiaohmabeNd-org: Really that is the funny thing.Jun 27 15:41
oiaohmOne of the highest rated news channels in the USA specialises in good news only.Jun 27 15:41
abeNd-orgeh? which one?Jun 27 15:43
oiaohmabeNd-org: to be correct on paytv.   abeNd-orgJun 27 15:44
oiaohmYes people pay for the channel.Jun 27 15:44
oiaohmSo its not as black and white.Jun 27 15:44
oiaohmBut even they found collecting good news is a lot harder than bad in a lot of cases.Jun 27 15:44
abeNd-orgi am not familiar with this channelJun 27 15:45
oiaohmIe bad stake the police and hospitals out and you will hear of it.Jun 27 15:45
oiaohmabeNd-org: I only found it when I was just for the hell of it looking threw the highest rated channels in the USA and their owners.Jun 27 15:45
abeNd-orgis it on some religious channel or something? you arent talking fox/nbc/cbs/cnn/& the likes for sureJun 27 15:46
oiaohmabeNd-org: its also religion free.Jun 27 15:47
oiaohmIts a really odd channel Jun 27 15:47
oiaohmNot something you would expect to have the rating it does.Jun 27 15:47
abeNd-orgso what channel would it be?Jun 27 15:48
oiaohmabeNd-org: problem is finding it with all the extream chirstian channels.Jun 27 15:51
oiaohmTaht turn up when you search good news tv.Jun 27 15:51
oiaohmabeNd-org: I can remember one of the feeder channels.  http://www.wbtv.com/category/162511/the-good-news-isJun 27 15:53
TechrightsSocialTitle: The Good News is... - WBTV 3 News, Weather, Sports, and Traffic for Charlotte, NC- .::. Size~: 211.29 KBJun 27 15:53
oiaohmabeNd-org: this kinda gives you an example of what the channel I am looking for provides basically 24 7Jun 27 15:53
schestowitz[15:38] <oiaohm> schestowitz: basically that is way the girl saw it as negitive against companies.  They are very good at spotting miss blance and taking it to extream.Jun 27 15:54
schestowitzyeahJun 27 15:55
oiaohmschestowitz: Really I am not a good source of good news.  We really don't have a person for that.Jun 27 15:55
oiaohmschestowitz: lot of us here are great at finding the bad news.Jun 27 15:56
schestowitzI do use good newsJun 27 15:59
schestowitzIn Daly LinksJun 27 16:00
schestowitzExcept Leftover it's overwhelmingly positiveJun 27 16:00
schestowitzSo I just go like (yeah, US teen talk), "yeah, what HE said.."Jun 27 16:00
schestowitzI don't need to write a refutationJun 27 16:00
schestowitzSo what's the pointJun 27 16:00
schestowitzPR agents are the ones seeding the coverage you speak ofJun 27 16:01
schestowitzWatchdog press is about tacking issuesJun 27 16:01
schestowitzEven by positive exampleJun 27 16:01
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MinceRabcdefghijklmnopqrst vwxyzJun 27 20:58
qu1j0t3fun is f n without uJun 27 21:04
MinceR:>Jun 27 21:04
MinceRactually it meant "no u"Jun 27 21:04
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ender_33lolJun 27 21:37
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schestowitzMinceR: oj u!!Jun 27 22:06
MinceR:>Jun 27 22:06
schestowitzgot that photo?Jun 27 22:06
schestowitzI reckon it's a memeJun 27 22:06
MinceR"NO U" is a meme and it has many formsJun 27 22:06
schestowitzCause reddit has another one with thatJun 27 22:06
schestowitzis it not "Oh, you"?Jun 27 22:07
MinceR"O U"/"OH U" are part of itJun 27 22:07
schestowitzCool.Jun 27 22:07
schestowitzI'm only a fresher in this whole "funny" thing, not 4chan but reddirJun 27 22:07
schestowitz*ditJun 27 22:07
MinceRthe best of /b/ eventually makes it to redditJun 27 22:10
MinceRprobably before it gets elsewhereJun 27 22:10
schestowitziirc it was a competitor, no?Jun 27 22:15
MinceRi don't think soJun 27 22:17
MinceRone's an image board, the other's a social news siteJun 27 22:17
ender_33I think a lot of the anonymous people come from 4chanJun 27 22:19
MinceRreddit has no anonymous postingJun 27 22:22
ender_331) I mean the anonymous 'group' 2) They wouldn't be posting on Reddit because there is no 'anonymous posting' ;)Jun 27 22:25
MinceRthey come from /b/, afaikJun 27 22:28
MinceRand some of them would post on reddit :>Jun 27 22:29
qu1j0t3yes, Anonymous' home is /b/Jun 27 22:38
qu1j0t3i thought everyone knew that :)Jun 27 22:38
schestowitzI didn'tJun 27 22:39
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schestowitzI've prepared a series of short videos explaining my current research and what I'm going to do next. To summarise the key points from the last part:Jun 27 23:49
schestowitz3-D >> list of distancesJun 27 23:49
schestowitzTraining with distancesJun 27 23:49
schestowitzRecognition testsJun 27 23:49
schestowitzEuclidean vs geodesic vs pure PCAJun 27 23:49
schestowitz PCA on grip comprising values of depth Z at XYJun 27 23:55
schestowitzI may need the latest code for GMDS to implement a benchmark.Jun 27 23:57

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