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| schestowitz | I think I've just come down to a good explanation for why to hate the phone | Jul 02 13:16 |
| schestowitz | On receiving end: you get the calls when you least expect or want them and they interfere trains of thought, sometimes with very negative consequence | Jul 02 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Upon sending end: no guarantee the other side is available, Might end up send minutes just clicking many digits and waiting in vain | Jul 02 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Compare that to Email | Jul 02 13:18 |
| schestowitz | It comes when you expect it and are avvailable for it | Jul 02 13:18 |
| schestowitz | When outgoing/dispatch, it always arrives irrespective of sending time | Jul 02 13:18 |
| MinceR | on receiving end: call alerts can be muted, the phone can be turned off | Jul 02 13:22 |
| MinceR | on sending end: the contact list keeps you from "clicking many digits" | Jul 02 13:22 |
| schestowitz | I truly hope that the identica button will have support for ur1.ca links, which are the main ones I ever use. Otherwise, dent counts is mostly inaccurate, shortening is done by default in most clients. It would be useful to know if there are plans for expansion of this good project. | Jul 02 13:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i don't like phones either. | Jul 02 13:44 |
| schestowitz | "PhD in marketing/communications and Director of analyst and public relations at Novell" | Jul 02 14:31 |
| schestowitz | Doctor of brainwash | Jul 02 14:31 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/#!/ianrbruce | Jul 02 14:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://ianbruce.blogspot.com/ | Jul 02 14:32 |
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| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: phones are a waste of time now | Jul 02 14:41 |
| schestowitz | With e-mail I can get to people's phones too | Jul 02 14:41 |
| schestowitz | just got: "How about I ride my bike to your house in the morning? I work until 2am today. Maybe we can do stuff except the 10k run. BTW - called you twice earlier?" | Jul 02 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Phones are bloody unreliable and as much as I hate Email it is a lot more effective and similar to SMS | Jul 02 14:41 |
| schestowitz | "Goldman Sachs Watch @goldmanwatch is now following you (@boycottnovell). " | Jul 02 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | J starts emulating de Franko.. | Jul 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjExhI5_vVQ | Jul 02 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | Ray W Johnson is now most sub'd in Youtube.. | Jul 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz | "News: MasterCard Hit By WikiLeaks Payback Attacks 715 comments " | Jul 02 16:30 |
| schestowitz | "Wikileaks Founder Arrested In London 1060 comments " | Jul 02 16:30 |
| schestowitz | /. | Jul 02 16:30 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: they're suing now | Jul 02 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Suing visa is like suing the system | Jul 02 16:31 |
| schestowitz | It's all corrupt, they can't pull that off | Jul 02 16:31 |
| schestowitz | LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzAMDanKquY | Jul 02 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | His channel lost direction | Jul 02 16:37 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: http://venturebeat.com/2011/06/30/facebooks-mark-zuckerberg-doesnt-put-on-a-happy-face-in-his-google-profile/ | Jul 02 16:51 |
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| qu1j0t3 | lulz | Jul 02 16:52 |
| schestowitz | head of faceebook has an ugly face | Jul 02 17:10 |
| schestowitz | !google zuckerberg hot or not story | Jul 02 17:11 |
| TechrightsSocial | [1] - Ascentive Hot Stories » Facebook Stalkers: Not Even Zuckerberg is Safe | http://articles.ascentive.com/2011/02/15/facebook-stalkers-not-even-zuckerberg-is-safe/ | Jul 02 17:11 |
| TechrightsSocial | [2] - Mark Zuckerberg's College Website Up for Auction | http://mashable.com/2010/10/05/facemash/ | Jul 02 17:11 |
| TechrightsSocial | [3] - Startup lies companies tell you - Facebook's offscreen story (5 ... | http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2011/smallbusiness/1103/gallery.business_creation_myths/5.html | Jul 02 17:11 |
| TechrightsSocial | [4] - History of Facebook - Who Invented Facebook | http://inventors.about.com/od/fstartinventions/a/Facebook.htm | Jul 02 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | I just got on that as well from Identica though | Jul 02 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | anyway this might be the next major social networking site | Jul 02 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | after all it's from Google | Jul 02 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | and the average Internet user, realy likes Google | Jul 02 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he set up that violation of privacy in his college to make himself feel better about his face LOL | Jul 02 17:11 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: twiter rival from Google | Jul 02 17:12 |
| schestowitz | By the way, he's that buzz thing come along? | Jul 02 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: not seen it yet | Jul 02 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | ,but apparnatly it has something for microblogging as well and such | Jul 02 17:12 |
| schestowitz | some things integrate with twitter | Jul 02 17:12 |
| schestowitz | linkedin for example | Jul 02 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | as for buzz well no one really goes on about that anymore, it seems | Jul 02 17:12 |
| schestowitz | but people don't link to others in liniinin to read their feeds | Jul 02 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Just to tack employers and such | Jul 02 17:13 |
| schestowitz | what about dispora? | Jul 02 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | got someone on Identica saying how it's better than Facebook and Disapora how Google+ is | Jul 02 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | and better than Twitter even | Jul 02 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Any disapora from diaspora yet? | Jul 02 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | anyway these sites are lame | Jul 02 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | and I was talking to someone from China last night and well this morning | Jul 02 17:13 |
| schestowitz | diaspora I never hear about anymore | Jul 02 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | and China has Facebook and Twitter blocked there | Jul 02 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | and I was saying to them, how in a way they are lucky that they are blocked there | Jul 02 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | ,because of how it's like here with that | Jul 02 17:14 |
| schestowitz | twitter blocked? | Jul 02 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | with those sites and other counteries like this one, that's basically what I was saying | Jul 02 17:14 |
| schestowitz | in china?! | Jul 02 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Jul 02 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Are you sure? | Jul 02 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | yes | Jul 02 17:14 |
| schestowitz | !google twitter china censorship | Jul 02 17:14 |
| TechrightsSocial | [1] - Video: Chinese censors cut off Twitter, Hotmail and Flickr - Times ... | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6414510.ece | Jul 02 17:14 |
| TechrightsSocial | [2] - Twitter flashmobs test China's censorship tools - World - DNA | http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_twitter-flashmobs-test-china-s-censorship-tools_1338999 | Jul 02 17:14 |
| TechrightsSocial | [3] - List of websites blocked in the People's Republic of China ... | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China | Jul 02 17:14 |
| TechrightsSocial | [4] - Chinese Twitter Plans English Launch: Implications for Censorship ... | http://opennet.net/blog/2011/06/chinese-twitter-plans-english-launch-implications-censorship | Jul 02 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | Twitter, Facebook, and even Identica, blocked | Jul 02 17:14 |
| schestowitz | identica too? | Jul 02 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | yep Identica as well according to this person | Jul 02 17:15 |
| schestowitz | how does gaard post from there? | Jul 02 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | gbrad? | Jul 02 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Wow.. | Jul 02 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Flickr and youtube too? | Jul 02 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | i don't know about Flickr and Youtube | Jul 02 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Jul 02 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | even | Jul 02 17:16 |
| schestowitz | yes, him | Jul 02 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | the python programming langauge site | Jul 02 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | even that is blocked | Jul 02 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | however it seems according to this person, that it's a similar domain named site, that they probably wanted to block really | Jul 02 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Non-governmental organizations | Jul 02 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Amnesty International (www.amnesty.org)[21] | Jul 02 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Human Rights Watch (www.hrw.org)[21] | Jul 02 17:16 |
| schestowitz | China Bill of Rights (www.chinabillofrights.org)[21] | Jul 02 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Reporters Without Borders (www.rsf.org)[21] | Jul 02 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Wikileaks (www.wikileaks.be) [22] | Jul 02 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Falun Gong related websites like (www.falundafa.org) | Jul 02 17:16 |
| schestowitz | "Also note that many of the sites listed may be occasionally or even regularly available, depending on the access location or current events." | Jul 02 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Ah... | Jul 02 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | anyway they are lucky to have Facebook and Twitter blocked really, but they do have their own social networking site/s as well | Jul 02 17:17 |
| schestowitz | So it's not as you made me think if it | Jul 02 17:17 |
| schestowitz | insulation from the world is narrow-minded boost to local ecnomy | Jul 02 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | Facebook and Twitter suck | Jul 02 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | so they are lucky to have blocked really :D | Jul 02 17:18 |
| schestowitz | They isoldate themselevs from knowledge and networks of people | Jul 02 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | well Twitter can be used for protests and such and Facebook | Jul 02 17:19 |
| schestowitz | http://vizzzion.org/blog/2011/06/plasma-active-summer-tour/ | Jul 02 17:20 |
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| sebsebseb | anyway UK sucks | Jul 02 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | what opensource/freesoftware events do we have? | Jul 02 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | also what Linux distro's are from the UK? and no Ubuntu isn't one of them really | Jul 02 17:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | heh | Jul 02 17:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | tru | Jul 02 17:24 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: Isle of Man/South Africa, but the HQ is in London | Jul 02 17:28 |
| schestowitz | the UK has BLAG | Jul 02 17:28 |
| schestowitz | I can't think of others really | Jul 02 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Clem is Irish AFAIK | Jul 02 17:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: from-the-heart rant from university student http://redbrain.co.uk/index.php/update/quick-update/ | Jul 02 18:03 |
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| qu1j0t3 | you brits just stick to makin funny Teevee shows and leave the codin to the rest of us mmmkay! | Jul 02 18:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | ;-) | Jul 02 18:04 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: do you know something in the public domain that can replace zlib parts? [unlikely, I know, but just in case] | Jul 02 18:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 02 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > you still think this implementation is a good starting point for this task? | Jul 02 18:47 |
| schestowitz | The limitations -- licence-wise -- are mostly to do with the licence used by cyrus, which is fine. I will need to take a closer look at the licence and understand what it's compatible with. The implementations that I found in the public domain so far (now looking at another) are rather crude and educational. I will report as I go along and assess some more code. The pointers you gave are very much appreciated and definitely | Jul 02 18:47 |
| schestowitz | helpful. Interface/prototype compatibility imposes yet more restrictions (options narrowed down), but surely it's worth finding something of this nature, at the very least to avoid introducing new bugs. | Jul 02 18:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 02 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Currently looking at http://sourceforge.net/search/?q=crc32&fq[]=trove%3A164&fq[]=trove%3A197 | Jul 02 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: good post, will be cited later in TR | Jul 02 18:50 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: where do you think coders will be in 10 years? | Jul 02 18:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: struggling like everyone | Jul 02 18:51 |
| schestowitz | code is commodity | Jul 02 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Integration is where it's at, and hacking | Jul 02 18:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | ya, and reputation | Jul 02 18:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's no meritocracy out there | Jul 02 18:52 |
| schestowitz | can you elaborate? | Jul 02 18:52 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I'm doing a race here tomorrow | Jul 02 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Signed up on the last just to ensure it's sunny :-) | Jul 02 18:53 |
| schestowitz | My friend likes to joke that if all hall breaks lose, we have our fitness to stay on top... | Jul 02 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Did you follow the Greek protests? | Jul 02 18:53 |
| schestowitz | The police got caught informing its agent provocateur | Jul 02 18:54 |
| schestowitz | And sending them out | Jul 02 18:54 |
| schestowitz | The bankers swallow their own vomit | Jul 02 18:54 |
| schestowitz | And they keep screwing the population | Jul 02 18:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | i didn't see that detail, no. | Jul 02 18:54 |
| schestowitz | The police /govt is being sued by companies for using illegal gases against protestors | Jul 02 18:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | but i see disaster capitalism being played out there | Jul 02 18:54 |
| schestowitz | This is Greece (once an empire), not PRC | Jul 02 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Disaster capitalism is also making people humble | Jul 02 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Teaching them to be grateful just to put bread on the table | Jul 02 18:55 |
| schestowitz | I can't complain myself, but I know some who do | Jul 02 18:55 |
| schestowitz | And I pay a lot of money for social benefits to those who don't work, which is a growing number | Jul 02 18:56 |
| schestowitz | BTW, what did you mean about meritocracy? That only reputable projects get all the downloads? | Jul 02 18:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | personal reputation | Jul 02 18:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | the chance of you having a viable career is a lot about how well known you are | Jul 02 18:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | or whether you've worked for some famous co | Jul 02 19:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | like other industries (thinkin Hollywood) | Jul 02 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know | Jul 02 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Hollywood? | Jul 02 19:00 |
| schestowitz | For coders? | Jul 02 19:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | this isn't good | Jul 02 19:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. | Jul 02 19:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's similar | Jul 02 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Jul 02 19:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | the star system / the celebrity system | Jul 02 19:00 |
| schestowitz | I see how you meant to say it | Jul 02 19:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | you can't get heard or taken seriously if you're a nobody | Jul 02 19:00 |
| schestowitz | I red the like differently | Jul 02 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Not as analogy but example of sector | Jul 02 19:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: I have seen MAJOR respect issues in software industry | Jul 02 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Bacon number | Jul 02 19:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: just today, ex-co-worker told me about 1 line that was IM'd to him by a colleague | Jul 02 19:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | unacceptable | Jul 02 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Same with research/academia | Jul 02 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Erdos number and all | Jul 02 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Can't complain myself now | Jul 02 19:01 |
| schestowitz | I got into the world's 15th ranked CD department | Jul 02 19:01 |
| schestowitz | *CS | Jul 02 19:01 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: one person I know slapped a colleague | Jul 02 19:02 |
| schestowitz | We still talked about this in the gym somem days ago | Jul 02 19:02 |
| schestowitz | The guy was so horrified | Jul 02 19:02 |
| schestowitz | They have to share an office... well, had to... he left.. the other got a police record | Jul 02 19:03 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: coders should be able to work from home | Jul 02 19:03 |
| schestowitz | My two main jobs I do from home | Jul 02 19:03 |
| schestowitz | and the phone very rarely rings | Jul 02 19:03 |
| schestowitz | It's a phone you connect to the hub to work over IP, essentially a SIP phone on a real physical standard phone | Jul 02 19:04 |
| schestowitz | One of our clients allows more businsses to do this, to use a unified phone system even when the teams are distributed | Jul 02 19:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/07/02/0515218/Dropbox-TOS-Includes-Broad-Copyright-License?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 | Jul 02 19:09 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Dropbox TOS Includes Broad Copyright License - Slashdot .::. Size~: 137.48 KB | Jul 02 19:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: working from home doesn't protect at all from disrspect and abuse. | Jul 02 19:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | in a way it can make it worse | Jul 02 19:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | ppl will IM stuff they'd never say to your face | Jul 02 19:09 |
| schestowitz | yes, no verbal/face contact | Jul 02 19:09 |
| schestowitz | I've had misunderstandings l;ike that in 2003 | Jul 02 19:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it's a serious problem, i've seen some crazy stuff. | Jul 02 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Made me depressed, turned out to be a solossal misunderstanding | Jul 02 19:10 |
| schestowitz | colossal | Jul 02 19:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's not abuse | Jul 02 19:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | but abuse is common | Jul 02 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Worst thing is when hypothesise someone said something because someone else told him/her to say it | Jul 02 19:10 |
| schestowitz | (if you know what I mean) | Jul 02 19:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. | Jul 02 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Luckily, all my colleagues and I are like one happy family, at least at present for all I can tell | Jul 02 19:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | there's a minefield of things. hearsay. rumors. politics. | Jul 02 19:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | some people are viciously self interested. | Jul 02 19:11 |
| schestowitz | we are also fairly well paid and not overworked, so that reduced stress | Jul 02 19:11 |
| schestowitz | yes, like when new staff arrives | Jul 02 19:12 |
| schestowitz | And people get all suspicious and competitive | Jul 02 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Or when one overworks and makes the others look bad | Jul 02 19:12 |
| schestowitz | I hear it all the time from my mate Mike | Jul 02 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Like some lifeless man who stays at work until 9pm after his divorse and frown upon those who leave at 6 or 7 | Jul 02 19:13 |
| schestowitz | *divorce | Jul 02 19:13 |
| schestowitz | I've also heard from friends that their employers exploit the crappy economy to make them work extra hours for no pay | Jul 02 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes 50% overtime | Jul 02 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Or extra days | Jul 02 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Always with good reasoning/excuse | Jul 02 19:14 |
| schestowitz | In that regard, bad economy can be good for some company. Low job security incentivises hard work | Jul 02 19:14 |
| schestowitz | > Hiya mate its too hot to run 10k what do you think | Jul 02 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Too hot? Only low 20s. It's fine. Actually quite pleasant. So how will I meet you there? | Jul 02 19:32 |
| schestowitz | ^^ people in the UK afraid of 70 Fahrenheit | Jul 02 19:32 |
| schestowitz | https://github.com/schestowitz | Jul 02 19:32 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: some great writing here from McLuhan (1951) http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/427071/ | Jul 02 19:45 |
| TechrightsSocial | Not a web page! Aborting text/plain; charset=utf-8; charset=utf-8 type | Jul 02 19:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | "The relative helplessness, social isolation, and irresponsibility of the rich highlights the same situation among those who are striving toward that goal. The circumstances of the struggle insure that the winners will arrive in no condition to enjoy their advantages." | Jul 02 19:46 |
| schestowitz | I've just read a portion | Jul 02 19:46 |
| schestowitz | See http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2011/06/27/#20110627-gpl_surpreme_court_mauritius | Jul 02 19:47 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Harald Welte's blog .::. Size~: 16.27 KB | Jul 02 19:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | "Apply that criterion to those caught in the success trap, where speed is of the essence. What is the state of their minds? What is the content of their lives? Do they not rather despise anybody who pauses long enough to acquire a mental content from reflection or to win a wisdom which will only cut down his speed in making for the goal? And is it strange that those who travel so fast and | Jul 02 20:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | so light should arrive in a nude and starving condition?" | Jul 02 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Ok, finally sorted out tomorrow's run.. | Jul 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | > Ok no worries, I will have my phone with me, I will be in ticket arena from about 8.30 | Jul 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Excellent :-) I will come there just before that. If there is an issue, I'll phone you. | Jul 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | running through http://www.zlib.net/zlib_faq.html | Jul 02 21:03 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Frequently Asked Questions about zlib .::. Size~: 25.79 KB | Jul 02 21:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | i use zlib... | Jul 02 21:06 |
| schestowitz | i am trying to find a replacement | Jul 02 21:10 |
| schestowitz | to remove a program's dependency on it (cyrus mail) | Jul 02 21:10 |
| schestowitz | All the replacements I found so far are junk | Jul 02 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Public domain | Jul 02 21:10 |
| schestowitz | I am now assessing a third | Jul 02 21:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | hm | Jul 02 21:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | what was the dependency needed for, again? | Jul 02 21:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | headers, wasn't it? | Jul 02 21:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's not clear why this is a problm | Jul 02 21:12 |
| schestowitz | OK, so zlip is deep inside object files, but the dependency does not run too deep. | Jul 02 21:12 |
| schestowitz | I am now assessing a third replament | Jul 02 21:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | can you explain why, again? | Jul 02 21:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | zlib library itself is ubiquitous | Jul 02 21:12 |
| schestowitz | cyrus is not gpl | Jul 02 21:12 |
| schestowitz | it's some weird carnegie mellon licence | Jul 02 21:13 |
| schestowitz | and I'm not a lawyer, cam't be bothered to speculate what's compatible with it | Jul 02 21:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | why would zlib fall into a different category than say glibc? | Jul 02 21:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | because it has the advertising clause or something? | Jul 02 21:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | doesn't cyrus meet that condition? | Jul 02 21:14 |
| schestowitz | mailbox.c has loads of stuff, but it leads back to lib/crc32.c | Jul 02 21:14 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: not sure why | Jul 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | mailbox.c has loads of stuff, but it leads back to lib/crc32.c | Jul 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | we are trying to make it more self-contained | Jul 02 21:15 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html | Jul 02 21:15 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Various Licenses and Comments about Them - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF) .::. Size~: 85.69 KB | Jul 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Don't think we could ever just pick bits of zlib as drop-in addons | Jul 02 21:16 |
| MinceR | if it has the "License of ZLib", they say it's compatible with GPL | Jul 02 21:16 |
| schestowitz | This one,lib/crc32.c, seems to have the core interfaces for substitution | Jul 02 21:16 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: but cyrus is not GPL | Jul 02 21:17 |
| schestowitz | so if you put gpl code in it, it cannot be released under that licence, I reckon | Jul 02 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Will report back when I get to properly look at other implementations. http://www.zlib.net/zlib_faq.html zlib is definitely backward compatible based on the gnu/fsf sites, but I don't think cyrus can self-contain GPL code. | Jul 02 21:19 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Frequently Asked Questions about zlib .::. Size~: 25.79 KB | Jul 02 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Hm... truly a rubbish implementation what I found | Jul 02 21:24 |
| schestowitz | some win32 binaries, work in progrss | Jul 02 21:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: why would you need to "put gpl code in it"? you're only linking. | Jul 02 21:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | zlib is ubiquitous! | Jul 02 21:36 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jul 02 21:39 |
| schestowitz | But that's not the point | Jul 02 21:39 |
| schestowitz | This package depends externally on very few bits | Jul 02 21:39 |
| schestowitz | and it's not self-contained | Jul 02 21:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | ?! | Jul 02 21:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | they're not supposed to be | Jul 02 21:44 |
| schestowitz | in this case zlip is an overkill | Jul 02 21:47 |
| schestowitz | We need something simpler | Jul 02 21:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | why? | Jul 02 21:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's a tiny library | Jul 02 21:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | ...and it's always there | Jul 02 21:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | also, it's very well maintained | Jul 02 21:48 |
| schestowitz | oh, thanks for the RT http://identi.ca/notice/77866765 | Jul 02 21:51 |
| TechrightsSocial | @qu1j0t3's status on Saturday, 02-Jul-11 16:10:22 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz: Is Facebook really 'hated' more than Bank of America? http://ur1.ca/4l3p1 [77861360] <http://ur1.ca/4lw6q> | Jul 02 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: not my decision | Jul 02 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Oh cool... | Jul 02 21:52 |
| schestowitz | This took me by surprise on a Saturday.. | Jul 02 21:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.muktware.com/news/02/2011/1636 | Jul 02 21:52 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Exclusive Interview With Roy Schestowitz Of Boycott Novell, Techrights | Muktware .::. Size~: 38.95 KB | Jul 02 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Could you please RT it? | Jul 02 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Let's see what they did there... | Jul 02 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: I think you may also enjoy reading it | Jul 02 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Latest interview with me... without all the hostile questioning and grilling | Jul 02 22:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 02 22:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: why does it matter that it's not your decision? | Jul 02 22:05 |
| *qu1j0t3 reads interview | Jul 02 22:06 | |
| *qu1j0t3 is having a lot of trouble getting vnc server working on his linux box | Jul 02 22:07 | |
| *MinceR just installed and started tightvncserver | Jul 02 22:09 | |
| schestowitz | The office.. http://www.siriusit.co.uk/labs/ | Jul 02 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: it's optional/fallback to not havr zlib | Jul 02 22:33 |
| schestowitz | currently the option exists, but the fallback is not there | Jul 02 22:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: yah, couldn't get it working. now can't get Gnome vino working. | Jul 02 22:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | depressing | Jul 02 22:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: well. i've said my piece :) sounds like wasted time. | Jul 02 22:34 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/jdegra/statuses/87267789898907648 | Jul 02 22:36 |
| TechrightsSocial | @jdegra: ES: La Guerra de Microsoft Contra Linux Ahora Es Sobre las Patentes de Software http://goo.gl/Pz5CQ | Jul 02 22:36 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/jdegra/statuses/87268204505858049 | Jul 02 22:36 |
| TechrightsSocial | -> Title: ES: La Guerra de Microsoft Contra Linux Ahora Es Sobre las Patentes de Software | Techrights .::. Size~: 99.24 KB | Jul 02 22:36 |
| TechrightsSocial | @jdegra: ES: Tienes un Virus? GNU/Linux lo Arregla http://goo.gl/s94mT | Jul 02 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Spanish-speaking fan of techrights... | Jul 02 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: probably | Jul 02 22:36 |
| schestowitz | but I want to know the code for other stuff to put in | Jul 02 22:36 |
| schestowitz | this helps me get familiar with cyrus | Jul 02 22:36 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: what's the meaning of your nick? | Jul 02 22:38 |
| qu1j0t3 | Quijote | Jul 02 22:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.flickr.com/people/qu1j0t3/ | Jul 02 22:38 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Flickr: qu1j0t3 .::. Size~: 75 KB | Jul 02 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Jul 02 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Quixote | Jul 02 22:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes | Jul 02 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Finally I know... | Jul 02 22:41 |
| *qu1j0t3 is tossing up whether to see a play tonight | Jul 02 22:41 | |
| schestowitz | Good work... | Jul 02 22:42 |
| schestowitz | A binary quijote for thr 21st century | Jul 02 22:42 |
| qu1j0t3 | this vnc thing seems like a windmill | Jul 02 22:43 |
| qu1j0t3 | :| | Jul 02 22:43 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: what do you think of this? http://www.flickr.com/photos/qu1j0t3/5864997140/in/photostream | Jul 02 22:44 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Screen shot 2011-05-25 at 11.04.33 AM | Flickr - Photo Sharing! .::. Size~: 107.29 KB | Jul 02 22:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | ok now vino-server works | Jul 02 22:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | but it's not quite what i need... | Jul 02 22:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | working on this... | Jul 02 22:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | sigh. so close. | Jul 02 23:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | this is frustrating. it works if i log in and connect to the existin gsession. | Jul 02 23:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | but hangs if i set up gdm to start the vino-server outside a session | Jul 02 23:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | other people have this working. | Jul 02 23:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | oh well, back to tightvnc (which didn't work either) | Jul 02 23:18 |
| schestowitz | why vnc? | Jul 02 23:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | because i'm currently short one monitor | Jul 02 23:18 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: did you make it? | Jul 02 23:19 |
| schestowitz | What should I be looking at? | Jul 02 23:19 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: one MIA? | Jul 02 23:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's just a screen shot i took of PBS advertisement | Jul 02 23:19 |
| schestowitz | I sort of have monitor problems myself | Jul 02 23:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: I took my biggest one to work | Jul 02 23:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | on the upside, i just inherited two Samsungs that should work nicely if i replace the capacitors. | Jul 02 23:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | common failure mode | Jul 02 23:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | but i haven't got tools right now | Jul 02 23:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | i could probbaly have them working in 3 weeks | Jul 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | My GPU is also acting badly... thought about buying one for triple-head but bailed out when I found out KDE desktops don't support it well all the time | Jul 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: what distro are you on (trick question wwarning) | Jul 02 23:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | gentoo | Jul 02 23:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | i'm going to give up | Jul 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | sabayon is based on gentoo | Jul 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Tim uses it | Jul 02 23:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | i like gentoo. i don't think this is a distro issue, the steps seem to be the same for ubuntu, etc. | Jul 02 23:25 |
| *qu1j0t3 is frustrated | Jul 02 23:26 | |
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| schestowitz | I've been going through some code from the svn repository, trying to find out what can be reused rather than reimplemented. | Jul 02 23:50 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: many seem to move from gentoo to ubuntu, based on what I see in blogs | Jul 02 23:51 |
| schestowitz | I think they want to sabe time compiling | Jul 02 23:51 |
| schestowitz | cause apt-get is better for most things | Jul 02 23:51 |
| schestowitz | esp. if you just want binaries and no hacking | Jul 02 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Hmm... I notice that there is some code and papers in there from Grushko.... | Jul 02 23:51 |
| schestowitz | is that the implementation with improved performance in mind? At this stage we are only required to plug in some geodesic estimators, the other bits are mostly in place. | Jul 02 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Stuff which is out there is mostly irrelevant to this particular purpose, e.g. http://www.mathworks.it/matlabcentral/fileexchange/6522 http://www.mathworks.ch/matlabcentral/fileexchange/15616 | Jul 02 23:52 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: geodesic - File Exchange - MATLAB Central .::. Size~: 24.88 KB | Jul 02 23:52 |
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| schestowitz | I will work on Euclidean in the mean time... | Jul 02 23:53 |
| schestowitz | > Hi, | Jul 02 23:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 02 23:55 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks a lot for the answers. The interview is online, I sent you the | Jul 02 23:55 |
| schestowitz | > link via Twitter. This interview reminded me of the good old days of | Jul 02 23:55 |
| schestowitz | > print journalism when we used to take time in research and | Jul 02 23:55 |
| schestowitz | > investigation. The online reporting is more like fast-food. You have to | Jul 02 23:55 |
| schestowitz | > be there before other. But then there are benefits as well. | Jul 02 23:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 02 23:55 |
| schestowitz | > I am sharing some cherished stories that I did for LINUX For You, where | Jul 02 23:55 |
| schestowitz | > I used to work as assistant editor before I moved to Germany and now | Jul 02 23:55 |
| schestowitz | > Brussels. | Jul 02 23:55 |
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