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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] /me is waiting for a #FoxNews tagline of "the news channel Jesus would watch" as yet another cynical exploitation of their target audience | Jul 18 00:06 | |
| schestowitz | I've built and installed cyrus on a second user's home directory (created for testing purpose) to soon run | Jul 18 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | some tests that compare zlib- and non-zlib-dependent builds of | Jul 18 00:06 |
| schestowitz | cyrus (development branch). Getting the test code built along | Jul 18 00:06 |
| schestowitz | with the whole of cyrus so as to judge the impact of the changes | Jul 18 00:06 |
| schestowitz | on the whole package (cyrus imapd) was attemptd yesterday. | Jul 18 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Currently I'm learning makefiles as the last time I truly used them (around 2002) I had some trolls to aid their creation (like glade for gtk 1.2). By the time it's 11 PM I always get too tired to stare at code without getting drowsy after a while. Coding at these hours always feels a little weird. | Jul 18 00:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @copiesofcopies #heehaw hashtag would've been appropriate there. Just sayin | Jul 18 00:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] I took my kids to see Cars 2 today; I have never seen such a violent G-rated movie. Credits said "Special thanks: Steve Jobs" #bribempaa4me | Jul 18 01:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @x11r5 @gomerx Has been putting lots of twitter html claiming a technical solution for a walk... | Jul 18 01:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Just a reminder everyone that Call for mini-confs is closing TODAY!!!!! we've got lots of good submissions so far but is your's in? #lca2012 | Jul 18 01:48 | |
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| ram_ | The Wikimedia statistics over represent Microsoft since Microsoft runs 'spiders' that pretend to be Microsoft browsers. It happens to my servers so I am sure it happens to Wikimedia's and others. The solution is not to count browser traffic from Microsoft owned IP addresses. | Jul 18 01:53 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Just a reminder everyone that Call for mini-confs is closing TODAY!!!!! we've got lots of good submissions so far but is yours in? #lca2012 | Jul 18 01:56 | |
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| cubezzz | hmmm | Jul 18 02:22 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Augustus said of Herod the Great: It is better to be Herod's dog than one of his children. #heroesinhell | Jul 18 02:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Yummy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gbraad/5946313189/ #stroopwafels | Jul 18 02:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] @fontana !buddycloud is a great service. however I still wait for the release of the new stuff. have been using their channels service a lot | Jul 18 03:01 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www-03.ibm.com/software/lotus/symphony/buzz.nsf/web_DisPlayPlugin?open&unid=955E9C0EC712EC47852578CD0063A209&category=announcements | Jul 18 03:02 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] lol! http://www.flashfunpages.com/couple.swf #fb | Jul 18 03:41 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/07/17/216220/Company-Claims-Ownership-of-Digital-Messaging | Jul 18 03:46 |
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| DaemonFC | Another great job by the US Patent Troll Office | Jul 18 03:47 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] conservative Christian "expert" on homosexual conversion to instruct #hongkong social workers. http://ur1.ca/4q5m7 / via @HKProblems | Jul 18 03:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] We are very pleased to announce Internode as our first Emperor Sponsor for #lca2012: http://linux.conf.au/media/news/6 | Jul 18 04:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Congratulations to the Japanese national soccer team [ women ] for winning their first ever world cup! | Jul 18 04:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Dear @ktnkenya, When did #Swarovski crystals become #Diamonds? #Sunrise live bling article | Jul 18 05:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @hamide: Better to make it more energetic, HaPPy my 2000th dent [guffaw] xD | Jul 18 05:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] looking for a new challenge from the end of August; http://cn.linkedin.com/in/gbraad #China #Beijing | Jul 18 05:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Who’s Viewed Your Profile: Technical Recruiter at Apple Inc., Design Engineer at NVIDIA, hmmmm #linkedin | Jul 18 05:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #khanacademy hardly opens in #China :-s | Jul 18 05:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] keeping the people #dumb | Jul 18 05:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Cherry finally in !Kenya cc @eebrah #speakchinese | Jul 18 06:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Fun day fixing up some things at home. Really starting to get into homemaking with my perfect partner in crime. I am a lucky sod. :-) | Jul 18 06:28 | |
| *DaemonFC is listening to Stairway To Heaven by Led Zeppelin on Boxed Set [Disc 2] [Amarok] | Jul 18 06:36 | |
| DaemonFC | heh | Jul 18 06:37 |
| *DaemonFC is listening to Livin In Sin by Godsmack on IV [Amarok] | Jul 18 06:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] All chips pointing a certain way. The gods have had their say pretty much.*sigh* | Jul 18 07:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[maymaym/@maymaym] #PornWikileaks crumbles under intense tech offensive: http://ur1.ca/4q7q7 Fuck you, PWL: http://is.gd/jd5x3j /via @MsMaggieMayhem !Wikileaks | Jul 18 07:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] @eebrah Pic that was supposed to accompany earlier post on Cherry #speakchinese http://ur1.ca/4q7tr | Jul 18 07:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] HTML5 based Video Slidecasting Demo http://code.narendrasisodiya.com/video-slidecast/demo.html | Jul 18 07:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @rpcutts: Good moaning. | Jul 18 07:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] "Sometimes I feel like am too fucking real" Miss Brown [Oh Yeah] | Jul 18 07:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @nj3ma: "Sometimes I feel like am too fucking real" Miss Brown [Oh Yeah] | Jul 18 08:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Sick of g-, FB, all these walled garden bullshit. How about posting sheet on the open web. | Jul 18 08:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] UK Refurbishers Favour #OpenOffice http://ur1.ca/4q7zd http://ur1.ca/4q7ze So typical | Jul 18 08:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @x11r5 @psquid Update on puppet session, it's pretty busy in the news here quite a few drinks and dinner tonight with buddy | Jul 18 08:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @nj3ma: Sick of g-, FB, all these walled garden bullshit. How about posting sheet on the open web. | Jul 18 08:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @speeddefrost Holy hell, I wrote a server in C and it actually compiled and ran. http://i.imgur.com/TjJsu.jpg | Jul 18 08:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] congratulations. feel good, eh? :) @speeddefrost | Jul 18 08:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Monday's !InconstantMoon serialization posted: http://ur1.ca/4q81n !selfPub | Jul 18 08:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Lesson I learnt [ still learning ] from #MySpace, #Facebook, #Twitter, #Google+, etc: Individual "#Social networks" are temporary fads | Jul 18 08:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @speeddefrost: Holy hell, I wrote a server in C and it actually compiled and ran. http://i.imgur.com/TjJsu.jpg | Jul 18 08:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] < too much sleep deprivation catching up with me.... time to stumble off to sleep | Jul 18 08:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good night !Identiverse zzzzzzzzzzzzz z z z z z z z | Jul 18 08:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] 'Night @laurelrusswurm | Jul 18 08:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Google Targets People http://ur1.ca/4q87z something to notice about Google Profiles | Jul 18 08:41 | |
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| *Now talking on #techrights | Jul 18 09:01 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom | Jul 18 09:01 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Wed Sep 22 21:19:38 2010 | Jul 18 09:01 | |
| -NickServ-You are now identified for schestowitz. | Jul 18 09:01 | |
| schestowitz | BT issues this morning | Jul 18 09:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @eebrah @tahtouhg #StatusNet is #openSource and decentralised while still working well sans JS and with API. IMO Best social network ... | Jul 18 09:08 | |
| DaemonFC | call them as their valued customer | Jul 18 09:08 |
| DaemonFC | tell them you'll take your business elsewhere | Jul 18 09:08 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jul 18 09:08 |
| schestowitz | naaa.. | Jul 18 09:08 |
| schestowitz | This is rare | Jul 18 09:08 |
| schestowitz | didn't have connection issues for a couple of months now | Jul 18 09:09 |
| schestowitz | And this one was fixed quickly | Jul 18 09:09 |
| schestowitz | :TRIdentica!~twitfolk@216.105.40.114 NOTICE #techrights :[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @isurrenderall: haii all !vim -- Hi! | Jul 18 09:10 |
| schestowitz | :TRIdentica!~twitfolk@216.105.40.114 NOTICE #techrights :[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @mcnalu @speeddefrost K&R is such a good book you don't *have* to read it - it just wafts into your head if it's near you :) | Jul 18 09:10 |
| schestowitz | :TRIdentica!~twitfolk@216.105.40.114 NOTICE #techrights :[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @jonsson You need to think a little when cropping photos... http://u.goal.com/136900/136904hp2.jpg #football | Jul 18 09:10 |
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| schestowitz | That's all I lost | Jul 18 09:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] When #Novell Staff Gets Hired by #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/4q8jd Charlotte Betterley to now lie for Microsoft, not for Microsoft's slave. | Jul 18 09:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] When Novell Staff Gets Hired by Microsoft http://ur1.ca/4q8jd | Jul 18 09:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] just discovered the "wonderful" world of free software documentation licensing... #UnderstandWhy but #NotImpressed | Jul 18 09:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | Fedora seems in no rush to fix Privoxy | Jul 18 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up having to compile my own and hack around systemd to make it work right :( | Jul 18 09:12 |
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| schestowitz | connection is still iffy | Jul 18 09:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I found a way to get the thir dmonitor running | Jul 18 09:23 |
| schestowitz | a second base | Jul 18 09:23 |
| schestowitz | cheaper than a CPU | Jul 18 09:24 |
| schestowitz | add the caption http://i.imgur.com/FxxhN.jpg | Jul 18 09:25 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Homeopathic emergency room, Mitchell and Webb: http://youtu.be/HMGIbOGu8q0 Bloddy marvellous! #homeopathy #skepticism #medicine | Jul 18 09:26 | |
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| schestowitz | darn, I can'y get anything done with this connection | Jul 18 09:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @colmsmyth Video: Treemaker for MeeGo N9/N950 #MeeGo #N9 #N950 #Nokia #Games Here is the first video of T... http://tumblr.com/xcz3jykqve | Jul 18 09:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: Australia to Market Nokia N9 first ? and also Swiping Around …. http://mge.bz/fH #Nokia #N9 #MeeGo #Harmattan | Jul 18 09:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: Session Papers Call for MeeGo at Sea – Mediterranean Summit http://mge.bz/fI #MeeGo #IVI #Sea #Yacht | Jul 18 09:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @vgrade: @jaffa2 http://t.co/ivSNZ8Z #twimgo #MeeGo | Jul 18 09:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: gPodder 2.16 “Over There” released http://mge.bz/fJ #Nokia #N900 #Maemo | Jul 18 09:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: Foursquare to be included at Launch in the #Nokia #N9 – #MeeGo #Harmattan http://mge.bz/fK | Jul 18 09:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @alextootchie RT @zehjotkah First video review of a MeeGo Harmattan game for Nokia N9 and Nokia N950! http://bit.ly/r4vI1q via @meetmeego | Jul 18 09:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @alextootchie: RT @mynokian900: Wordsler is a word game for my Nokia N900. http://tinyurl.com/6z2ojgk #wordgame #Maemo #Nokia #N900 | Jul 18 09:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellog2/@kernellog2] RT @honlinenews: Microsoft contributes a lot of changes to Linux kernel 3.0 http://h-online.com/-1280528/ftw | Jul 18 09:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @alextootchie: RT @MeeGoSverige: Nokia 950/MeeGo - En första testtur! #meego http://is.gd/jItQTV | Jul 18 09:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @alextootchie: RT @MeeGoSverige: Nokia N950 - Kameratest! #meego http://is.gd/580vH9 | Jul 18 09:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @alextootchie: Callerx: a simple calls blocker app for #N900 #Maemo - package http://t.co/LVWlNBW - talk http://t.co/W7j2P4R | Jul 18 09:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: Pusher Editor for the N900 - level editor for Pusher, Sokoban clone: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7378 #N900 #Maemo | Jul 18 09:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: Wordsler - word game for the Nokia N900: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7379 | Jul 18 09:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: vGolf - miniature golf game for the N900: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7380 #N900 #Maemo | Jul 18 09:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: MidiJ for the N900 - remote MIDI controller for DJs: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7381 #N900 #Maemo | Jul 18 09:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: CallerX - call blocking application for the Nokia N900: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7382 #N900 #Maemo | Jul 18 09:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Like all alien "stories", this one makes sense http://i.imgur.com/vMVO3.jpg | Jul 18 09:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @JayMontano: Collection: Nokia N950 video sample, unboxing and Qt apps galore! http://bit.ly/pWCJQ1 #MeeGo | Jul 18 09:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Having major #BT problems today. They can't seem to be able to keep the network going. | Jul 18 09:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Software Patents Might Inevitably Die as Economic Impact is Realised http://ur1.ca/4q8sk #swpats #us | Jul 18 09:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Software Patents Might Inevitably Die as Economic Impact is Realised http://ur1.ca/4q8sk #law #monopoly #uspto #protest | Jul 18 09:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] South Sudan's new country code is +211. Note to self: Must update contacts. | Jul 18 09:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @zach Just changed my default paste exposure on Pastebin.com to private. Be careful out there... http://twitter.com/#!/PastebinLeaks | Jul 18 09:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @smaffulli Useful: 2011 Smartphone market share, by country http://j.mp/pTM810 | Jul 18 10:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] #Microsoft Acknowledged Patent System is Broken, But Happily Uses it to Attack Rivals http://ur1.ca/4q8y7 #uspto #swpats #apple | Jul 18 10:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft Acknowledged Patent System is Broken, But Happily Uses it to Attack Rivals http://ur1.ca/4q8y7 #android #linux #i4i | Jul 18 10:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] listening to the new #LugRadio - brings memories, hoping ep1s6 is a sign of a new regular show, even if sporadic releases | Jul 18 10:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @jrobertson I wonder how many #rubyists would bend over to Steve #Jobs if #Apple sponsored #Ruby. You people make me sick. | Jul 18 10:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] लोग टूट जाते हैं एक घर बनाने में, वो तरस नहीं खाते बस्तियां जलानें में | Jul 18 10:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ES: Troll de Patentes Más Grande del Mundo (Vienen Más demandas), Paul/Troll Allen Pierde Caso http://ur1.ca/4q92a EN: http://ur1.ca/4p8pv | Jul 18 10:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ES: Google- - http://ur1.ca/4q945 EN: http://ur1.ca/4p8sp | Jul 18 10:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @isurrenderall: "I'm a girl" -- Sorry, bout that, bots here are very life like, hope you are having a smashing time here on Identi.ca | Jul 18 10:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @nj3ma @osamak There is a place for js. Just not in a lot of the places we see it. Why labor client with task that can be done server ... | Jul 18 10:31 | |
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| roy_ | I am trying to find a way to get rid of FF5 on this system. Both Canonical and Mozilla update conflicting versions on this system, so it's a total mess. Lack of communication/coordination. | Jul 18 10:41 |
| roy_ | and this BT connection is acting up today. I'm outta here | Jul 18 10:41 |
| roy_ | Wasted too long with a dodgy connection this morning.. | Jul 18 10:41 |
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| DaemonFC | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2461631 | Jul 18 10:42 |
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| DaemonFC | heh | Jul 18 10:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @jrobertson I wonder how many #rubyists would bend over to Steve #Jobs if #Apple sponsored #Ruby. You people make me sick. | Jul 18 10:43 | |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 | Jul 18 10:43 |
| schestowitz | :TRIdentica!~twitfolk@216.105.40.114 NOTICE #techrights :[eebrah/@eebrah] ♺ @richslxh: Anybody tested this? http://gplus.sagg.im/ google/identi.ca/facebook/twitter sync !identiverse cc @nj3ma @kelzOKO @fredmanglis | Jul 18 10:43 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: My card is DirectX 11 compatible | Jul 18 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | but I find that the performance with DirectX 11 is terrible | Jul 18 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | and the graphics look only slightly better than a DirectX 9 game | Jul 18 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | they shipped a few games around the time the hardware went out and if you switch them to DX 11 mode, your framerate is cut in half | Jul 18 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | it's awful | Jul 18 10:47 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Kommentiert Wahlprüfsteine von @WikimediaDE http://ur1.ca/4q9er für Berlin. !fsfe stellt gleiche Fragen wie in Bremen http://ur1.ca/4q9fl | Jul 18 11:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] ♺ @osamak: I think most JS's 'unnecessary' & it's there to facilitate and decorate & that's ok. However, they're must be a JS-free version | Jul 18 11:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Rape and murder in #UttarPradesh http://is.gd/S4o2Pt some stories just leave you speechless :( #womensrights | Jul 18 11:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @kevie: In the shopping centre for 5 mins and am already bored, what do women find enjoyable about this? *confused* | Jul 18 11:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #RupertMurdoch: what will MPs do without someone to fear? http://is.gd/NoFqTV #interesting | Jul 18 11:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] where were the #PCC when #NI were running riot? seems they may as well all resign in shame over being totally asleep at the wheel | Jul 18 12:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Ubuntu 11.10 to Get Rid of Me Menu, Gwibber Revamp http://lxnews.org/2011/07/18/ubuntu-11-10-gwibber-revamp/ | Jul 18 12:14 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Does anyone outside of the #identiverse play #minecraft? never see it mentioned elsewhere. !miners | Jul 18 12:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @fredmanglis: spent the day in a #LFS build: until #coreutils had one of its test fail. I guess that's it for the day | Jul 18 12:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] IBM to Contribute Symphony to Open Office http://lxnews.org/2011/07/18/ibm-to-contribute-symphony/ | Jul 18 12:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] okay, I officially still "have it". this weekend: 4 parties, ending at ~6AM, giving a lecture 300km away in between. #funlosophy | Jul 18 12:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] I have no idea how that came about but I find totally awesome that my friends from #philosophy faculty are such lean mean partyin' machines | Jul 18 12:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] For those who asked: I re-implemented a PayPal button on http://sixgun.org !LO | Jul 18 12:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Cyanogen is on ½ a million !Android devices http://bit.ly/ngu0kI Now that's impressive | Jul 18 13:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @hellocatfood: I just wrote a scrip in five minutes that turned and hour's work into five minute's work. #winning | Jul 18 13:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #TopGear S17E4: The World's Cheapest Train is not such a bad idea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceuaHNqmxvA | Jul 18 13:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @fabsh not to be confused with a Papal button, which produces a HALLELUJAH! noise when clicked, & installs #Vatican moralityware on your PC | Jul 18 13:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Don't blame the Press Complaints Commission over phone hacking http://is.gd/de7kYx like every corrupt organisation #blamesomeoneelse #PR | Jul 18 13:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] self regulation is a #fail on an epic scale in protecting consumers, from the greedy whims in ALL sectors #fb | Jul 18 13:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] #opendata for humanitarian relief with the Humanitarian #OpenStreetMap Team | http://red.ht/qtIwGG #opengov | Jul 18 13:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Android App To Send And Receive Text Messages Via Gmail Or GTalk: DesktopSMS http://ur1.ca/4qahb | Jul 18 13:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] ♻ @silner #Cyanogen is on ½ a million !Android devices http://bit.ly/ngu0kI Now that's impressive | Jul 18 13:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Discordant Notes Surround IBM's Symphony Move http://bit.ly/oxTlwE #opensource | Jul 18 13:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] LibreOffice Conference Call for Papers ends this Friday: http://conference.libreoffice.org/submit-your-paper/ !libo !tdf !libocon | Jul 18 14:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Boris singing the praises of #Yates - surprise surprise - reputation whitewashing PR to try & deflect the incompetence over #NI | Jul 18 14:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] 2 of my siblings, in addition to me use the term "us" when talking about #geeks and/or #nerds | Jul 18 14:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Xamarin and SUSE make a deal on Mono http://lwn.net/Articles/451968/rss | Jul 18 14:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] JBoss Drools explained by Mark Proctor & Michael Anstis http://ur1.ca/4qar4 #fb | Jul 18 14:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] ♻ @miguel0n: @jankusanagi digiKam, Akregator, Filelight... < toma @deblinux xD | Jul 18 14:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part IX http://lwn.net/Articles/451969/rss | Jul 18 14:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @syntax: Actually, it's getting late. Should get to sleep. Night dentitubes -- but .. but .. but .. Sleep Is Bad #caffeine is good :P | Jul 18 14:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[michaelgeist/@michaelgeist] mgeist: Distributel: Concerns over billing disputes overstated. We buy transit from MTS, Telus, etc. using 95% mode... http://twitter.com/m | Jul 18 14:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[michaelgeist/@michaelgeist] mgeist: Katz: Concern is that CNOC approach could lead to billing disputes. MTS offers simple, cost based approach.... http://ping.fm/UQ14Y | Jul 18 14:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] FBuntu: Facebook Notifier With Ubuntu Messaging Menu Integration http://ur1.ca/4qauo | Jul 18 14:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[michaelgeist/@michaelgeist] mgeist: Bell (Bibic almost yelling): With 100% usage, wholesale price will be higher than retail & CRTC won't let t... http://twitter.com/m | Jul 18 15:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[michaelgeist/@michaelgeist] mgeist: KvF to Bell: You lose us when complain that independent ISPs will use 100% of what they pay for. #UBB http://twitter.com/mgeist/stat | Jul 18 15:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] HTML5 and CSS3: Exploring Mobile Possibilities – presentation at London Ajax Mobile Event http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/07/html5-and-css3-ex | Jul 18 15:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Telex: a new anticensorship system http://lwn.net/Articles/451971/rss | Jul 18 15:08 | |
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| DrPizza | schestowitz: good news: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2011/Jul-18.html | Jul 18 15:15 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thomaszander/@thomaszander] Tried ipv6 on ubuntu and didnt get routing working; upgraded to 11.04 and it doesnt get v6 address.. :( somebody got ipv6 working on ubuntu? | Jul 18 15:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Anonymous hacktivists plan Google+ alternative http://tgr.ph/oifGb7 | Jul 18 15:28 | |
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| oiaohm | DrPizza: how is that good news. | Jul 18 15:31 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: No were is Xamarin getting funding out of that. | Jul 18 15:31 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: Mono is good, useful technology, that many people enjoy and depend on; it's good that Xamarin now has a definitive right to continue to develop it | Jul 18 15:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @jrobertson: instead of expecting people to do more things technology should be about improving the quality of work. +1 | Jul 18 15:33 | |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: Also notice something. Licensing. | Jul 18 15:33 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: Xamarin does not get Novell licnese with MS by that. | Jul 18 15:33 |
| oiaohm | So Xamarin only has the bless of 1 party when it needs 2. | Jul 18 15:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] 5 tips for a smoother #Linux command-line experience http://bit.ly/qc5o8r | Jul 18 15:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @jonkulp: The crunchbang welcome script is awesome. :) | Jul 18 15:36 | |
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| oiaohm | DrPizza: Also I am one of the ones that don't depend on mono. | Jul 18 15:36 |
| DrPizza | One is better than none. | Jul 18 15:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Google: Android is "the Linux Desktop Dream Come True" http://lxnews.org/2011/07/18/android-is-the-linux-desktop-dream/ | Jul 18 15:38 | |
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| oiaohm | Also you are forgotting what Miguel de Icaza has system matically done to mono. DrPizza | Jul 18 15:38 |
| DrPizza | what has he done? | Jul 18 15:38 |
| oiaohm | People forget the visual studio plugin started as open source. | Jul 18 15:38 |
| DrPizza | other than develop it | Jul 18 15:38 |
| oiaohm | Migual de Icaza system matically coverent that from GPL to MIT | Jul 18 15:39 |
| oiaohm | The from MIT to closed source. | Jul 18 15:39 |
| DrPizza | the only way he could do that is if he had ownership of all the source, and if he had ownership of all the source, shouldn't he be free to choose whatever license he wants? | Jul 18 15:40 |
| oiaohm | No MIT license allows you to change to closed source without approval. | Jul 18 15:41 |
| oiaohm | So as long as you are silver tonged enough to convice people that converting from gpl to mit will give more freedom you can pull it off. | Jul 18 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Monotouch also started open source as well. DrPizza | Jul 18 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Basically where ever he can see profit ends up closed. | Jul 18 15:42 |
| DrPizza | To change from GPL to MIT requires consent of the owners. | Jul 18 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Jul 18 15:42 |
| DrPizza | And making a closed derivative doesn't remove the earlier source. | Jul 18 15:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Open Source Think Tank Paris 2011 Announces Sponsors, Dates, Venue http://prn.to/pKK1Ph #opensource | Jul 18 15:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Ten great Android apps http://bit.ly/q7HKc7 | Jul 18 15:43 | |
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| oiaohm | Anyone that did not concent he remove their patches from the code base. | Jul 18 15:43 |
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| oiaohm | So breaking it for a while. | Jul 18 15:43 |
| oiaohm | So forcing others to fix it under the licence he wanted. DrPizza | Jul 18 15:43 |
| DrPizza | heh. | Jul 18 15:44 |
| DrPizza | But anyway | Jul 18 15:44 |
| DrPizza | So what? | Jul 18 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Under his rule that mono will remain free. DrPizza | Jul 18 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Maybe Maybe not. | Jul 18 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Freedom will all depend if he can see a profit or not. | Jul 18 15:45 |
| DrPizza | Again | Jul 18 15:45 |
| DrPizza | So what? | Jul 18 15:45 |
| DrPizza | If people want to pay for it | Jul 18 15:45 |
| DrPizza | and think it's worth the money | Jul 18 15:45 |
| DrPizza | what is the problem? | Jul 18 15:45 |
| oiaohm | What if you depend on it for a solution. | Jul 18 15:45 |
| oiaohm | And you cannot pay. | Jul 18 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Will not matter if you were one of the ones that submitted some of the MIT code being used. | Jul 18 15:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Best free alternatives to top-selling software http://bit.ly/n6qoDf | Jul 18 15:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] 8 excellent free software downloads that just get better http://bit.ly/qlRiWq | Jul 18 15:46 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Best free alternatives to top-selling software | How To - CNET .::. Size~: 125.07 KB | Jul 18 15:46 |
| DrPizza | Then you can stick with the version you're using and not upgrade. | Jul 18 15:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 8 excellent free software downloads that just get better - PC Advisor .::. Size~: 113.19 KB | Jul 18 15:46 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: really how long before that drifts out of date. | Jul 18 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Its like saying I could still be using Windows 95 | Jul 18 15:47 |
| DrPizza | ... you could. | Jul 18 15:47 |
| DrPizza | Software doesn't wear out. | Jul 18 15:47 |
| oiaohm | but you will not be that compadible. | Jul 18 15:47 |
| DrPizza | It doesn't stop working just because it's old. | Jul 18 15:47 |
| oiaohm | Infact it does. | Jul 18 15:47 |
| DrPizza | So what? It'll still do everything it did when you bought it. | Jul 18 15:47 |
| oiaohm | stop working at times. | Jul 18 15:47 |
| oiaohm | Windows 95 does not work on new hardware. | Jul 18 15:47 |
| DrPizza | So? | Jul 18 15:47 |
| DrPizza | It runs on the hardware you bought it on. | Jul 18 15:47 |
| oiaohm | Hardware does not last for ever. | Jul 18 15:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] 5 Chrome Extensions That Improve Google+ http://on.mash.to/rj3EhN | Jul 18 15:48 | |
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| DrPizza | oiaohm: What if you can't afford new hardware? | Jul 18 15:48 |
| oiaohm | Hardware is the one thing you have to spend money on. | Jul 18 15:48 |
| DrPizza | lol | Jul 18 15:48 |
| oiaohm | or time | Jul 18 15:48 |
| DrPizza | Why is spending money on hardware acceptable, but spending money on software unacceptable? | Jul 18 15:48 |
| oiaohm | Hardware is always worth something even when its failed. | Jul 18 15:49 |
| DrPizza | lol | Jul 18 15:49 |
| DrPizza | Software doesn't fail at all. | Jul 18 15:49 |
| oiaohm | Remember I am a metal recycler. | Jul 18 15:50 |
| DrPizza | So it should also be worth something. | Jul 18 15:50 |
| oiaohm | Software fails by no longer being up to current day standards | Jul 18 15:50 |
| oiaohm | So making you incompadible. | Jul 18 15:50 |
| DrPizza | No | Jul 18 15:50 |
| DrPizza | The software doesn't fail. | Jul 18 15:50 |
| DrPizza | A given piece of code is immutable. | Jul 18 15:50 |
| DrPizza | It doesn't change. | Jul 18 15:50 |
| DrPizza | It doesn't stop working. | Jul 18 15:50 |
| oiaohm | So if I send you a lotus 123 spreed from the time of dos would you be able to open it. | Jul 18 15:51 |
| DrPizza | It might become less useful. | Jul 18 15:51 |
| DrPizza | But it still does everything it ever did. | Jul 18 15:51 |
| cubezzz | no one is running PDP era Unix, why is that? | Jul 18 15:51 |
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| oiaohm | Does not mean its usable any more. | Jul 18 15:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Internet does not just democratize, it connects and creates! | Jul 18 15:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] and these are not forces to stop, e.g. http://www.internetismyreligion.com/ , http://www.khanacademy.org/ | Jul 18 15:51 | |
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| cubezzz | because the hardware died and/or is obsolete | Jul 18 15:51 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: It's usable for everything you used to use it for. | Jul 18 15:51 |
| DrPizza | It's not the software's fault that you want to now use it for different things | Jul 18 15:51 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: so I use to send documents to my customers in that format. | Jul 18 15:51 |
| oiaohm | I cannot now. | Jul 18 15:51 |
| cubezzz | anyway closed source software should be avoided | Jul 18 15:52 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: Sure you can. | Jul 18 15:52 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: remember customer must be able to open it. | Jul 18 15:52 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: by todays standards its worthless. | Jul 18 15:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Having an ice cappuccino... | Jul 18 15:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] What to Make of Harmony http://lxnews.org/2011/07/18/what-to-make-of-harmony/ | Jul 18 15:53 | |
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| oiaohm | DrPizza: the disk metal that the software came on is worth more. | Jul 18 15:53 |
| cubezzz | well I still use 20 year old text files | Jul 18 15:53 |
| cubezzz | some even older | Jul 18 15:53 |
| oiaohm | The idea that software does not age is false. | Jul 18 15:53 |
| DrPizza | It isn't false at all. | Jul 18 15:54 |
| DrPizza | Your usage requirements may change. | Jul 18 15:54 |
| DrPizza | But the software doesn't. It gets no worse with age. | Jul 18 15:54 |
| DrPizza | It does everything you bought it to do. | Jul 18 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Issue is that last statement is false. | Jul 18 15:54 |
| cubezzz | sure, I use old software | Jul 18 15:54 |
| oiaohm | I aquired software todo business. | Jul 18 15:54 |
| cubezzz | but I'm interested in classic hardware so... | Jul 18 15:54 |
| oiaohm | It now longer does that. | Jul 18 15:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Network Uncertainty Problem http://ur1.ca/4qb9w downtime thoughts, had problems with #BT connection half the day. Back online now. | Jul 18 15:54 | |
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| DrPizza | That last statement isn't false. | Jul 18 15:55 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: time and software progression makes the software no longer able todo what I aquired it todo. | Jul 18 15:55 |
| DrPizza | Lotus 1-2-3, for example, can still perform all the same calculations and produce all the same graphs as it did when you bought it. | Jul 18 15:55 |
| DrPizza | Just because your need has changed--"I need people to be able to open it in Excel 2010", say--doesn't mean that the software has changed or got worse or is somehow "broken". | Jul 18 15:57 |
| cubezzz | well Microsoft tried to kill Lotus 1-2-3 | Jul 18 15:57 |
| oiaohm | You are not getting it. Lotus 1-2-3 for dos. Cannot print on lots of modern printers. So unless I still have the old hardware working I am stuffed again. | Jul 18 15:57 |
| oiaohm | Basically time. | Jul 18 15:57 |
| oiaohm | Time kills you. | Jul 18 15:58 |
| DrPizza | you're not getting it; it prints on exactly the same printers today as it did 20 years ago. | Jul 18 15:58 |
| DrPizza | the software hasn't got worse | Jul 18 15:58 |
| DrPizza | it's just your need has changed | Jul 18 15:58 |
| oiaohm | 20 years ago you could just buy the printers. | Jul 18 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Today you cannot. | Jul 18 15:58 |
| cubezzz | well if Lotus 1-2-3 was FOSS it would have survived | Jul 18 15:58 |
| DrPizza | "I want it to print on my el cheapo GDI printer that I just got from WorstBuy for $20. It's a bargain, the ink only costs $100 a throw!" | Jul 18 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Ie not going to happen. | Jul 18 15:58 |
| cubezzz | but you could get an old printer, it's not impossible... if you really wanted to | Jul 18 15:59 |
| DrPizza | indeed | Jul 18 15:59 |
| oiaohm | But again old printer dependablity can be a problem. | Jul 18 15:59 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: Just because your needs have changed doesn't mean the software has somehow stopped working. | Jul 18 15:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] Thanks to all who attended! Last party goer just departed, two days later! | Jul 18 15:59 | |
| oiaohm | The thing is my list of requirements has not changed. DrPizza | Jul 18 15:59 |
| DrPizza | yes it has. | Jul 18 15:59 |
| oiaohm | Not it has not. | Jul 18 16:00 |
| DrPizza | you've added new printers to it and removed old ones | Jul 18 16:00 |
| cubezzz | it's also possible to probably import lotus 1-2-3 data into a FOSS program | Jul 18 16:00 |
| DrPizza | you've added compatibility with excel 2010 and removed compatibility with excel 2 | Jul 18 16:00 |
| cubezzz | thus bypassing the problem | Jul 18 16:00 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: exactly living products don't have problems. | Jul 18 16:00 |
| DrPizza | lol | Jul 18 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Dead products slowly get worse. | Jul 18 16:00 |
| DrPizza | No they don't. | Jul 18 16:00 |
| DrPizza | It's just that your needs change. | Jul 18 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Not a need change. | Jul 18 16:01 |
| cubezzz | I still use AmigaDOS 1.3 actually | Jul 18 16:01 |
| DrPizza | The software is no worse than it ever was. | Jul 18 16:01 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: Yes it is. | Jul 18 16:01 |
| oiaohm | The hardware the applications need disappear. | Jul 18 16:01 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: You need it to support new printers | Jul 18 16:01 |
| DrPizza | That's a change. | Jul 18 16:01 |
| cubezzz | dox matrix printers can last a long time | Jul 18 16:01 |
| oiaohm | My requirements is that it can print. | Jul 18 16:01 |
| cubezzz | anyways... | Jul 18 16:02 |
| oiaohm | My requirement is not particular printers DrPizza | Jul 18 16:02 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: time changes the printers | Jul 18 16:02 |
| DrPizza | It can print. | Jul 18 16:02 |
| DrPizza | Just find an old printer. | Jul 18 16:02 |
| DrPizza | It'll work fine. | Jul 18 16:02 |
| DrPizza | Write a printer emulator. | Jul 18 16:02 |
| oiaohm | Again time. | Jul 18 16:02 |
| oiaohm | The issue is time moves on. | Jul 18 16:02 |
| oiaohm | person requirements really don't change that much. | Jul 18 16:02 |
| cubezzz | undocumented data formats are bad | Jul 18 16:02 |
| oiaohm | Time effect on what they can get. | Jul 18 16:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] !FSFE welcomes new Vice President @hesa + Legal Coordinator @hook. @reiter held the longest official position http://ur1.ca/4qbb9 | Jul 18 16:03 | |
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| cubezzz | but I suppose with enough effort you could figure it out | Jul 18 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Slowly makes software worthless if its not live. | Jul 18 16:03 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: it doesn't. The software did everything it ever could. Software doesn't decay, it doesn't rot, it doesn't suffer mechanical failures, it just works. | Jul 18 16:03 |
| cubezzz | you could use visicalc and wordstar too :) | Jul 18 16:04 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: Really you might say the requirements have changed. But the user did not change them. | Jul 18 16:04 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: the Users own list of requirements has not changed. | Jul 18 16:04 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: The user did change them. HE could scour eBay and find old printers | Jul 18 16:04 |
| oiaohm | What the user can get to match those list of requirements. | Jul 18 16:04 |
| DrPizza | Instead he decides it would be easier to buy a new one. | Jul 18 16:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] developers with an interest in !ARM are invited to join a new !crossdistro list hosted at !Linaro: http://is.gd/4ogwRI | Jul 18 16:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[michaelgeist/@michaelgeist] mgeist: Cable: Releases previously confid info: says peak coincident with only 13% of peaks in network nodes. Volum... http://twitter.com/m | Jul 18 16:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[michaelgeist/@michaelgeist] mgeist: Bell indicated that will support cost-based approach. It says cost is $39 for 1 Mbps (CNOC says $5). Bell n... http://ping.fm/vjsMJ | Jul 18 16:04 | |
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| cubezzz | there's Lotus SmartSuite actually | Jul 18 16:05 |
| cubezzz | it might be able to handle old Lotus 1-2-3 data | Jul 18 16:05 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: buying new is what he would have done in the first place. | Jul 18 16:05 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: I am from the point of view that the user is doing nothing diffferent now as to in the past to meet the requirements they ahve. | Jul 18 16:05 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: the change is time not the end users actions. | Jul 18 16:06 |
| cubezzz | my Amiga hard drive lives on... even though Commodore died | Jul 18 16:06 |
| DrPizza | In the olden days he would have bought a DeskJet 500 | Jul 18 16:06 |
| DrPizza | He could continue to do so. | Jul 18 16:06 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: are they still made. | Jul 18 16:06 |
| DrPizza | I doubt it. | Jul 18 16:06 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: do they have a warnity so that if they break down in business they can be fixed. | Jul 18 16:06 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: these are the old requirements the user would have had. | Jul 18 16:07 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: basically you are saying the user should drop requirements to keep old software alive. | Jul 18 16:07 |
| DrPizza | No, I'm saying he should keep the requirements identical, and buy contemporaneous hardware. | Jul 18 16:07 |
| DrPizza | Or, get new software. | Jul 18 16:07 |
| DrPizza | His choice. | Jul 18 16:08 |
| oiaohm | Buying contemporaneous hardware is altering a prior requirement. | Jul 18 16:08 |
| DrPizza | no it isn't. | Jul 18 16:08 |
| oiaohm | Yes it is | Jul 18 16:08 |
| DrPizza | No, it isn't. | Jul 18 16:08 |
| DrPizza | The requirement was never "work on the latest and greatest hardware, no matter what it is" | Jul 18 16:09 |
| oiaohm | Does that have all what he would got like warnitierys. | Jul 18 16:09 |
| DrPizza | like what? | Jul 18 16:09 |
| oiaohm | New hardware comes with so much time to make sure it working DrPizza | Jul 18 16:09 |
| oiaohm | With free replacements. | Jul 18 16:10 |
| DrPizza | warranties? | Jul 18 16:10 |
| oiaohm | This is quite a sane requirement to a business. | Jul 18 16:10 |
| oiaohm | Last thing you need is dead hardware on your hands. | Jul 18 16:10 |
| DrPizza | Is the word you were trying to type "warranties"? | Jul 18 16:10 |
| oiaohm | warranties sorry I was not even seeing the typo. | Jul 18 16:11 |
| oiaohm | Yes I hate dyslexia at times. | Jul 18 16:11 |
| oiaohm | Yes that stuffed up mess was reading to me as the exact letters you typed. DrPizza | Jul 18 16:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 9 Months of !TechBytes http://ur1.ca/4qbde for those who want to listen: http://ur1.ca/4qbeh | Jul 18 16:13 | |
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| cubezzz | tyou have to move with the times though | Jul 18 16:13 |
| DrPizza | In any case. | Jul 18 16:14 |
| cubezzz | if I said "Hey boss, I'm great at programming amiga but nothing else" I wouldn't have a job | Jul 18 16:14 |
| DrPizza | If this person depends on Mono but can't afford the new version, they can just fork the latest open source version and work with that. | Jul 18 16:14 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: what happens if the software he depends on needs more. | Jul 18 16:15 |
| DrPizza | Needs more what? | Jul 18 16:15 |
| oiaohm | Not everyone is a coder. | Jul 18 16:15 |
| oiaohm | Newer api than what the old mono has. | Jul 18 16:15 |
| DrPizza | Well so what if it does? | Jul 18 16:15 |
| oiaohm | So the person cannot stay there right. | Jul 18 16:15 |
| DrPizza | He can continue to use an old version | Jul 18 16:16 |
| oiaohm | Only while it allows him to be productive against his competition. | Jul 18 16:16 |
| DrPizza | So what? | Jul 18 16:16 |
| DrPizza | I mean the competition may get an advantage from using newer, faster hardware. | Jul 18 16:16 |
| oiaohm | Its like being a coder for amiga in this day and age. | Jul 18 16:16 |
| DrPizza | Should hardware be free to, just so this chump can continue to keep up with his peers? | Jul 18 16:17 |
| oiaohm | In some countries entry level hardware is free. DrPizza | Jul 18 16:17 |
| DrPizza | Which countries? Which hardware? | Jul 18 16:18 |
| oiaohm | Its not good hardware. | Jul 18 16:18 |
| cubezzz | when your hardware breaks, and you can't fix it or get a replacement it's game over at that point | Jul 18 16:18 |
| oiaohm | French can get a very crimpled internet access machine for nothing. | Jul 18 16:18 |
| cubezzz | hence the whole reason Stallman created GNU | Jul 18 16:18 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: They can? | Jul 18 16:18 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: when I say crimpled I serouslly mean it. | Jul 18 16:19 |
| oiaohm | Its pure texted based. | Jul 18 16:19 |
| cubezzz | people are throwing out P3's | Jul 18 16:19 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: lol | Jul 18 16:19 |
| oiaohm | Its still new hardware. | Jul 18 16:19 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: so in other words, totally irrelevant. | Jul 18 16:19 |
| cubezzz | telenet and telidon ftw :) | Jul 18 16:20 |
| DrPizza | But if you need to do graphics, it's useless. | Jul 18 16:20 |
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| oiaohm | For email and applying for goverment contracts over there is workable enough. | Jul 18 16:20 |
| oiaohm | Thinking the goverment contracts don't require photos. | Jul 18 16:20 |
| oiaohm | Infact photos are not wanted. | Jul 18 16:20 |
| oiaohm | Basically even the most crappy machine has a use. | Jul 18 16:21 |
| oiaohm | As long as it still works dependable. | Jul 18 16:21 |
| cubezzz | you could write a letter using mince on CP/M | Jul 18 16:21 |
| cubezzz | and print it out on a daisy wheel printer :) | Jul 18 16:22 |
| oiaohm | Other than the fact it must be emailed in. | Jul 18 16:22 |
| oiaohm | Yes goverment and ugly requirements. | Jul 18 16:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @copiesofcopies At this point even @bkuhn is on the outside of #heehaw, though he has been on the inside | Jul 18 16:23 | |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: Note the french one was about leveling the playing field for people apply for goverment contracts. | Jul 18 16:23 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: So the requirements for the device are the bare min to apply for the contracts. | Jul 18 16:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Using the New Days Last Ping Metric to Look at Firefox 4 Downloads http://blog.mozilla.com/metrics/2011/04/13/using-the-new-days-last-ping-m | Jul 18 16:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jrepin/@jrepin] And here's the proof of epic delivery time → http://twitpic.com/5s4yb9 #nokia #n950 #meego #n9 | Jul 18 16:24 | |
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| oiaohm | DrPizza: so the idea of free hardware to level the playing field is not impossible. | Jul 18 16:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @fsfe !FSFE welcomes new Vice President @hesa + Legal Coordinator @hook. @reiter held the longest official position http://ur1.ca/4qbb9 | Jul 18 16:26 | |
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| oiaohm | DrPizza: french are also not the only ones who have done free hardware to level playing field. | Jul 18 16:26 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @lxnews pfffttttt my "desktop" runs apps written in python/ruby/vala/perl and various other languages not named Java | Jul 18 16:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good morning !Identiverse | Jul 18 16:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] #Pittsburgh, #Zappos, and what one has to do with the other | http://red.ht/qh6IPN | Jul 18 16:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] GNU/Linux Saves Old PCs, Not Just Money http://ur1.ca/4qble Windows PCs that quietly get turned over to #GNU #Linux in the #UK | Jul 18 16:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] My Wetab is almost in my hands, just waiting for a call from the post office. | Jul 18 16:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @x11r5 Dyk that marcus favonius, in attempting to bring them out lately! Good on ya! | Jul 18 16:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @schestowitz Top 5 Alternatives to #Ubuntu #Linux http://ur1.ca/4p1g2 | Jul 18 16:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] one of the ways to my heart http://coffee.jezra.net/coffee/20110718 #sip_and_click | Jul 18 16:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] hilarious! ♻ @bkuhn: Group phoned me & sang "Happy Birthday";Was sorry to tell them "wrong #";They offered to call me back on my birthday | Jul 18 16:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Views on #Harmony by @jospoortvliet http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2011/07/harmony-10-is-out.html | Jul 18 16:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @jompa89 I think #mint is a good start for someone without any #linux experience, there are known programs and stuff works out of the box | Jul 18 16:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @lxoliva hilarious! ♻ @bkuhn: Group phoned me & sang "Happy Birthday";Was sorry to tell them "wrong #";They offered to call me back o ... | Jul 18 16:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @lxoliva @bkuhn it is transmission, which is © infringement here. gotta demand telcos to monitor all calls and block such crimes, or ... | Jul 18 16:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @haydar70 #connochaetos supports encrypting directories now. stay free AND secure. http://ur1.ca/4q13j #fs | Jul 18 16:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @theuser new blog post The FSF about Free Games http://the-user.org/post/the-fsf-about-free-games what should be considered? #kde .. | Jul 18 16:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD .. #fs #gnu | Jul 18 16:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @ayattap: missed u ppl --- Missed you too ... notsure about the rest of .. ppl :P | Jul 18 16:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Linux #FUD and #Android FUD http://ur1.ca/4qbsu the next stage is #Microsoft giving up, as usual | Jul 18 17:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @jospoortvliet Martin Gräßlin critical of Harmony http://bit.ly/n5sZT0 !linux #harmony #canonical #opensuse | Jul 18 17:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Dropped my !N900 today. Bad sign. #heehaw | Jul 18 17:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[michaelgeist/@michaelgeist] mgeist: Cable: We start thinking about augmenting node when it hits 60% of capacity. All nodes augmented on avg eve... http://twitter.com/m | Jul 18 17:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] Also not saying !fsf things were broken before, just that indicators cited are reason for optimism not pessimism. | Jul 18 17:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Ubuntu Community Week begins! http://is.gd/MimAUm Be there! #ubuntu | Jul 18 17:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #msnovellsuse-mono: because it's always time to bash this crap! http://j.mp/pV9AIa | Jul 18 17:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #odf #flosstools http://j.mp/rjmk5q | Jul 18 17:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] howdy there @expatpaul | Jul 18 17:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @hgfernan !listening Deep Sea Diver by Heifervescent http://bit.ly/eHHS6B #pop #indie #alternative #melodic #guitar !jamendo | Jul 18 17:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @fabsh @erez You might want to look up what "desktop" means in computing. Android isn't a desktop. | Jul 18 17:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Google’s Business Model and the FUD About It http://ur1.ca/4qc03 #astroturfing #marketing #advertising #android | Jul 18 17:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] #Linux #FUD and #Android FUD http://ur1.ca/4qbsu #swpats | Jul 18 17:21 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 18-Jul-11 15:58:42 UTC - Identi.ca: #Linux #FUD and #Android FUD http://ur1.ca/4qbsu the next stage is #Microsoft giving up, as usual | Jul 18 17:22 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Nice recording quality and good songwriting: Heifervescent: http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/39947 | Jul 18 17:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] "Wait! That's a girl?" -- My reaction the first time I watched Willow Smith's - 21st Century girl | Jul 18 17:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] !jamendo Award winners: time to check out some new music! http://awards.jamendo.com/en/jamendoAwards2011 | Jul 18 17:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @bytebot Apple wins patent ruling agt. HTC http://j.mp/nI5RF1 (this is why software patents are terrible. Costlier phones? Blame #swpats) | Jul 18 17:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @mcnalu ♻ @henryconcep You can learn many things from children. How much patience you have, for instance. ~Franklin P. Jones !q | Jul 18 17:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @haventfoundme @fabsh Android is a countertop device. | Jul 18 17:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] @fabsh: Thanks for reminding me about this: it does indeed rock more than the original ;) http://youtu.be/mn91L9goKfQ #youtube #springsteen | Jul 18 17:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] My folks were in country music so i saw more than enough HeeHaw as a kid http://ur1.ca/4qc3y | Jul 18 17:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] omg you're a baby! ;D @gamerchick02 | Jul 18 17:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] On Linux Distributions and Desktops http://ur1.ca/4qc4z "However, what names come into mind when you think about Desktops?" | Jul 18 17:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #hurd #gnu #linux #reviews http://j.mp/oF4NPP | Jul 18 17:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @ilovetheopenweb: Creating a Portable Web: When your data is truly yours. http://ur1.ca/4qc2r | Jul 18 17:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Overview of CentOS 6 http://ur1.ca/4q38d upon the new release. #centos #centos6 #redhat #gnu #linux #rhel | Jul 18 17:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Congrats to an old friend Attilla Szalay ( @hunltd ) for his Emmy nomination DOP on "Pillars of the Earth" http://ur1.ca/4qc57 - fingers xed | Jul 18 17:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Ubuntu 11.10 Says Goodbye to the ‘Me Menu’ http://ur1.ca/4qc5t ‘Me' would be a better name for Canonical's Unity(c) | Jul 18 17:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Ubuntu VS OSuX http://ur1.ca/4qc5z "So, if you were like me, and curious about Mac OS X, you can see I am not overall impressed." | Jul 18 17:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Why I would not sign a Harmony Agreement http://ur1.ca/4q25j "Harmony", like "Unity"... | Jul 18 17:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] This vegan welcome our quasicannibalistic future: http://ur1.ca/4qbmd | Jul 18 17:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] A Closet Misanthrope’s View of Online Social Networking http://ur1.ca/4qc73 which ones do you like? | Jul 18 17:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Claims about the GPL, made by a former executive from MSFT http://ur1.ca/4qc7j , are parroted by 'news' site as "truth" http://ur1.ca/4qc7e | Jul 18 17:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] sadly, yes. @madgoldfish | Jul 18 17:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @trashbird1240 Against the world | Jul 18 17:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @madgoldfish Sync Google+ to Twitter, #Identica and Facebook http://j.mp/prOIvB < These relay services are popping up like daisies :) | Jul 18 17:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Ubuntu Community Week session starts in a few mins: Find Your Local Community - http://is.gd/MimAUm - join now! #ubuntu | Jul 18 18:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[michaelgeist/@michaelgeist] mgeist: Katz: You want to recover your costs with cost-based rates. Do you recover costs today at retail? Shaw: On ... http://ping.fm/YnYLL | Jul 18 18:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Google Objected To Anti-FileSharing Law Clause | TorrentFreak http://j.mp/nyJak0 | Jul 18 18:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz Why I would not sign a Harmony Agreement http://ur1.ca/4q25j "Harmony", like "Unity"... | Jul 18 18:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] G+ and Identi.ca, Twitter and RSS feed - https://plusfeed.appspot.com/ ; http://gplus.sagg.im/ | Jul 18 18:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] wanting to participate in community does not mean people want their data mined, @liotier | Jul 18 18:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] most people are not aware that identity theft and spam both arise out of data mining; political repression also @liotier | Jul 18 18:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] they don't look heavy, they look cool. (temperature and otherwise :) which i guess is the point | Jul 18 18:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mako/@mako] There's a nice article in the German monthly magazine Zeit Wissen about antifeatures! http://ur1.ca/4qcf2 (German) | Jul 18 18:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mako/@mako] Posted some random reflections from recent travels on my blog. http://ur1.ca/4qcfm | Jul 18 18:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft offers scientists data analytics tool, Daytona (Cnet): http://cnet.co/pxwVXS | Jul 18 18:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @trashbird1240 Blocked in Germany. What is it? :) | Jul 18 18:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @schestowitz Why I would not sign a Harmony Agreement http://ur1.ca/4q25j "Harmony", like "Unity"... | Jul 18 18:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Outgoing federal CIO warns of 'an IT cartel' (Computerworld): http://bit.ly/plxolq | Jul 18 18:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk that isn't to say there aren't always stressors. Life is riddled with it, but the opposite is worse. You will do fine. | Jul 18 18:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] Merge plans: what's im arm-soc.git for 3.1 http://bit.ly/qEKE4R #linux #kernel #arm | Jul 18 18:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] #linuxcon Session of the Day: "Watching Mad Men and Thinking About Open Source." bit.ly/qMnhpQ | Jul 18 19:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I made short list of Google+ sharing tools http://ur1.ca/4qcnd Any additions comments or corrections are welcome cc @liotier | Jul 18 19:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !LinuxOutlaws is live now with another show: http://sixgun.org/live | Jul 18 19:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] And this kids,is why you never should have bought the Nokia 6760 Slide.. http://ur1.ca/4qcqb | Jul 18 19:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @fabsh !LinuxOutlaws is live now with another show: http://sixgun.org/live | Jul 18 19:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com) http://lwn.net/Articles/452020/rss | Jul 18 19:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] B.o.r.e.d. To death. Still stuck at work. | Jul 18 19:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security advisories for Monday http://lwn.net/Articles/451998/rss | Jul 18 19:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @majnoona: Good news is that my code is cleaner, more readable, and about 30% less lines; bad news is that it doesn't work any more. | Jul 18 19:28 | |
| schestowitz | [15:33] <DrPizza> oiaohm: Mono is good, useful technology | Jul 18 19:29 |
| schestowitz | useful to Microsoft, sure :-) | Jul 18 19:29 |
| DrPizza | No, useful to people who want a capable, flexible, modern development environment. | Jul 18 19:29 |
| DrPizza | I mean, you're welcome to propose some "free" alternative; you know, a garbage-collected, type-safe, verifiable, language-neutral runtime with a rich (if not always supremely elegant) runtime library, easy C bindings, and so on. | Jul 18 19:31 |
| schestowitz | [15:47] <oiaohm> Its like saying I could still be using Windows 95 | Jul 18 19:31 |
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| DrPizza | But in the meantime, Mono's the best bet. | Jul 18 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Arguing with him about the problems with Microsoft is pointless, he makes a living promoting them | Jul 18 19:31 |
| DrPizza | p. sure Mono isn't developed by Microsoft. | Jul 18 19:32 |
| schestowitz | no, devs don't need c# | Jul 18 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Android proves it | Jul 18 19:32 |
| schestowitz | And there's no need to push for patent traps in Android with that | Jul 18 19:32 |
| DrPizza | lol! | Jul 18 19:32 |
| schestowitz | idneed | Jul 18 19:32 |
| DrPizza | Yeah, they can use Java instead. | Jul 18 19:32 |
| DrPizza | Which is totally patent-free! | Jul 18 19:32 |
| DrPizza | And legally 100% in the clear! | Jul 18 19:33 |
| DrPizza | Uh huh. | Jul 18 19:33 |
| cubezzz | you're trolling | Jul 18 19:33 |
| cubezzz | you have nothing to say, you just argue | Jul 18 19:33 |
| cubezzz | everyone is wrong, except you | Jul 18 19:33 |
| DrPizza | cubezzz: I'm at a complete loss to understand how Android is somehow a sound argument against the utility of Mono. | Jul 18 19:33 |
| schestowitz | the Novell PR, by the way, does not change much | Jul 18 19:34 |
| DrPizza | You'll notice also I said nothing about C#. | Jul 18 19:34 |
| schestowitz | hold on, reading logs | Jul 18 19:34 |
| cubezzz | Perens knew enough to stay away from Mono | Jul 18 19:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents, from @robtiller | http://red.ht/pWsKb1 | Jul 18 19:36 | |
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| cubezzz | I mean, everyone uses what they want... but... | Jul 18 19:36 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft could sue Mono users | Jul 18 19:37 |
| DrPizza | cubezzz: Don't you think it's possible that someone could evaluate the pros (productivity, safety) and cons (the possibility that one day Microsoft might decide, for no good reason at all, to sue) and decided that the pros outweigh the cons? | Jul 18 19:38 |
| cubezzz | sure it's possible | Jul 18 19:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I made short list of Google+ sharing tools http://ur1.ca/4qcnd Any additions comments or corrections are welcome | Jul 18 19:39 | |
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| DrPizza | cubezzz: I think it's a lot more than "possible". | Jul 18 19:40 |
| DrPizza | I think the biggest "risk" to Mono as a project is simply that Microsoft might decide to make a first-party .NET-for-Linux/Android/Mac OS X port. | Jul 18 19:40 |
| DrPizza | Which might be bad for Mono as a project, but shouldn't be significant for mere users of the platform. | Jul 18 19:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk the first thing to do is to stop thinking you're bad at math. Trust me: you're better than I ( and i keep getting stuck with it ;) | Jul 18 19:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk just make sure you eat a decent meal and get sleep the night before (may mean heavy physical activity in the day so you can sleep) | Jul 18 19:44 | |
| cubezzz | De Icaza had some interesting ideas | Jul 18 19:45 |
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| DrPizza | cubezzz: what kind of ideas? | Jul 18 19:46 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Outback Zack and the Wikipedia War Zone http://bit.ly/o5rKkS #trademark #wikipedia | Jul 18 19:46 | |
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| cubezzz | the GNOME project | Jul 18 19:46 |
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| cubezzz | but he seems to be turning into a Microsoft tech advocate | Jul 18 19:47 |
| DrPizza | the actual .NET tech isn't bad | Jul 18 19:47 |
| _Goblin | His MVP status doesn't go any to dispell that rumour either. | Jul 18 19:48 |
| cubezzz | oh well, everyone is different | Jul 18 19:49 |
| cubezzz | at least with Linux/BSD you are free to make your own distro | Jul 18 19:50 |
| cubezzz | your OS runs slow? Try slitaz | Jul 18 19:51 |
| cubezzz | etc, etc | Jul 18 19:51 |
| DrPizza | personally I yearn for the day that clang is a truly viable alternative to gcc | Jul 18 19:51 |
| DrPizza | then we might see a credible GNU-free BSD or Linux distro. | Jul 18 19:51 |
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| cubezzz | I guess you don't like the GPL? | Jul 18 19:52 |
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| DrPizza | cubezzz: I find the GPL (and RMS's "free" software mantra in general) to be disingenuous. | Jul 18 19:53 |
| DrPizza | I don't regard the ability to keep modifications private as a bad thing. | Jul 18 19:53 |
| DrPizza | On the contrary; I think it's a reasonable freedom. | Jul 18 19:53 |
| DrPizza | So for my own code I use the zlib license. | Jul 18 19:54 |
| _Goblin | "I don't regard the ability to keep modifications private as a bad thing." - You would have fit right in during the 90's demoscene..... | Jul 18 19:54 |
| cubezzz | well it is still a free software license | Jul 18 19:54 |
| _Goblin | " I find the GPL (and RMS's "free" software mantra in general) to be disingenuous." - How so? | Jul 18 19:55 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: because it prohibits certain actions that I think a truly "free" license would permit. | Jul 18 19:55 |
| schestowitz | [18:27] <iophk> http://haiku-os.org/get-haikua | Jul 18 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | I think only OS 'News' covers it these days | Jul 18 19:56 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: As I say, I think the ability to make and distribute private modifications is a legitimate freedom. | Jul 18 19:56 |
| _Goblin | so it the "freedom" to share any data......reality is you can't | Jul 18 19:56 |
| _Goblin | *is | Jul 18 19:57 |
| DrPizza | BSD and zlib licenses essentially only prohibit misrepresentation | Jul 18 19:57 |
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| DrPizza | (you can't claim you wrote something you didn't) | Jul 18 19:57 |
| DrPizza | which seems fair to me; it's keeping copyright in line with moral rights. | Jul 18 19:57 |
| cubezzz | I use BSD, I think there's room for both licenses | Jul 18 19:57 |
| _Goblin | Moral rights? | Jul 18 19:57 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: the right to be recognized and attributed as a creator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_rights_%28copyright_law%29 | Jul 18 19:58 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, based on his profile at Ars, DrPizza likes .NET | Jul 18 19:58 |
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| _Goblin | why not lets just have total freedom, and have a free for all on anything digital... | Jul 18 19:58 |
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| cubezzz | we do, sort of | Jul 18 19:58 |
| schestowitz | So this is like arguing over a personal interest, won't be productive discussion | Jul 18 19:58 |
| _Goblin | cubezzz: download Harry Potter 7 then try saying that. | Jul 18 19:58 |
| cubezzz | what can they do to me? | Jul 18 19:58 |
| _Goblin | expelliamus | Jul 18 19:59 |
| _Goblin | or | Jul 18 19:59 |
| cubezzz | hypothetically speaking of course | Jul 18 19:59 |
| _Goblin | extortiamus.... | Jul 18 19:59 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: I like having a type-safe JIT-compiled, garbage-collected, verifiable, language-neutral runtime environment. | Jul 18 19:59 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: If I shouldn't use .NET then what would you suggest instead? | Jul 18 19:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Daily Kos • News Corp. phone hacking whistleblower found dead http://ping.fm/aFXUB | Jul 18 19:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] Jonathan Corbet from LWN.net on G+ shares a few thoughts on the "MS among top contributors for Linux 3.0" stuff http://bit.ly/pKZsG5 | Jul 18 19:59 | |
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| schestowitz | DrPizza: I use c, it's faster | Jul 18 20:00 |
| _Goblin | How about.......AMOS? ;) | Jul 18 20:00 |
| DrPizza | C is none of those things. | Jul 18 20:00 |
| schestowitz | and if you want simplicity, pikc a high-level lang | Jul 18 20:00 |
| DrPizza | C isn't even necessarily faster. | Jul 18 20:00 |
| schestowitz | but anyway, this debate goes nowhere | Jul 18 20:00 |
| _Goblin | what about cobol....? ;) | Jul 18 20:00 |
| _Goblin | Fortran | Jul 18 20:00 |
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| schestowitz | I know you'd go on all day saying how GPL sucks, de Icaza is a fox, and mono should thrive | Jul 18 20:00 |
| cubezzz | I can live with Fortran as a hobby | Jul 18 20:01 |
| schestowitz | we typically talk about other things | Jul 18 20:01 |
| _Goblin | cubezzz: youre a better man than me | Jul 18 20:01 |
| schestowitz | reading the logs was just like "blah blah blah..." | Jul 18 20:01 |
| cubezzz | hmm? | Jul 18 20:01 |
| DrPizza | I haven't said anything about de icaza | Jul 18 20:01 |
| cubezzz | I wrote Fortran programs before, even Cobol | Jul 18 20:01 |
| cubezzz | but I wouldn't want to write Cobol at all | Jul 18 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Like watching some democrat meeting a republican and chatting about what TV tells them to disaqgree on | Jul 18 20:01 |
| schestowitz | If you read techrights, you will know the issue we focus on | Jul 18 20:02 |
| cubezzz | ok, I think we are doing better than that | Jul 18 20:02 |
| cubezzz | it's OK to disagree about some things | Jul 18 20:02 |
| schestowitz | promoting MPEG-LA, for example, is stupid at best | Jul 18 20:02 |
| schestowitz | and not a matter of POV | Jul 18 20:02 |
| schestowitz | For a person who wants to pay for codecs and sponsor patent bullies, fine.. | Jul 18 20:02 |
| schestowitz | But we are generally not into all that Micropple fanship | Jul 18 20:02 |
| _Goblin | I like Apple... | Jul 18 20:03 |
| schestowitz | If we were some Windows or Mac fan site, I'd quit | Jul 18 20:03 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: but I haven't "promoted" MPEG-LA. | Jul 18 20:03 |
| cubezzz | the truth is, computers aren't really in a good place... | Jul 18 20:03 |
| DrPizza | H.264 provides value for money, so I don't care about paying for it. | Jul 18 20:03 |
| _Goblin | hang on a minute....... | Jul 18 20:03 |
| schestowitz | It is stupid idiots (or "useful idiots") who watse their life playing ball for Yankees of Apple I feel sorry for | Jul 18 20:04 |
| cubezzz | we don't have open source bios for one thing | Jul 18 20:04 |
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| DrPizza | cubezzz: EFI is meant to free us from that | Jul 18 20:04 |
| _Goblin | I asked this before, I'll ask again DrPizza who the hell are you supposed to be? | Jul 18 20:04 |
| schestowitz | 10 years down the line they'd be broke and realise that all they ever did was help Jobs/Ballmer get rich(er) | Jul 18 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Techrights isn't into all that jazz | Jul 18 20:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] “Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents | opensource.com” — http://ur1.ca/4qczi | Jul 18 20:04 | |
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| DrPizza | schestowitz: Why would the next 10 years go any differently from the last 10 years? | Jul 18 20:04 |
| DrPizza | The last 10 years didn't make me broke | Jul 18 20:04 |
| DrPizza | Why will the next? | Jul 18 20:05 |
| schestowitz | [20:03] <DrPizza> H.264 provides value for money, so I don't care about paying for it. | Jul 18 20:05 |
| schestowitz | I LOLed at that | Jul 18 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Jul 18 20:05 |
| schestowitz | "value for money" | Jul 18 20:05 |
| DrPizza | you're welcome to suggest a better codec | Jul 18 20:05 |
| schestowitz | HEHE | Jul 18 20:05 |
| cubezzz | DrPizza, I can't buy a motherboard with the source code for the bios | Jul 18 20:05 |
| schestowitz | no, thanks, I have better things to do than start another debate over this | Jul 18 20:05 |
| cubezzz | I could do that in the 70's | Jul 18 20:06 |
| _Goblin | I just want to know who DrPizza is....... | Jul 18 20:06 |
| cubezzz | except, I guess Lemote would be the one exception | Jul 18 20:06 |
| DrPizza | cubezzz: you can use the shitty chinese MIPS knock-off that RMS says he uses; that has an open bios | Jul 18 20:06 |
| schestowitz | He qrite pro-Microsoft article for Ars | Jul 18 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he's good at making pizza | Jul 18 20:06 |
| schestowitz | He's no doctor, though | Jul 18 20:06 |
| cubezzz | Actually I real motherboard would be nice | Jul 18 20:06 |
| cubezzz | I guess there's always coreboot | Jul 18 20:07 |
| _Goblin | "you can use the shitty chinese MIPS knock-off that RMS says he uses" - Sounds like a real expert....has all the jargon there. Writes for Ars you say Roy?.....ok.... | Jul 18 20:07 |
| schestowitz | but I don't think it matters who he is but what he says | Jul 18 20:07 |
| schestowitz | And why | Jul 18 20:07 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: like Emil, the role there is Microsoft PR I think.. | Jul 18 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Sucking up to the big companies | Jul 18 20:07 |
| _Goblin | I should have known by the swearing....thats the sign of a Microsoft Advocate straight away. | Jul 18 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll throw in advertising bucks | Jul 18 20:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Stop Congress' attempt to attack online streaming with a reckless new copyright law! Write your Senators now: https://eff.org/r.38E | Jul 18 20:08 | |
| schestowitz | I don't care for Ars | Jul 18 20:08 |
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| schestowitz | Except Nate's articles | Jul 18 20:08 |
| _Goblin | Thats a question we should consider.... | Jul 18 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Cause he's actually fighting the copyright cartel | Jul 18 20:08 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: which bit of the characterization do you disagree with? | Jul 18 20:08 |
| _Goblin | Why do Microsoft advocates/boosters swear? | Jul 18 20:08 |
| schestowitz | I don't think Ars needs to attract advertising like Britnet shows and stuff | Jul 18 20:08 |
| schestowitz | So it makes sense | Jul 18 20:08 |
| cubezzz | actually I have a list of candidate motherboards... | Jul 18 20:08 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: I disagree with swearing. I disagree with dragging somones name into the conversation who is not present in the channel | Jul 18 20:08 |
| DrPizza | Dragging his name in? | Jul 18 20:09 |
| DrPizza | puh-lease | Jul 18 20:09 |
| _Goblin | RMS | Jul 18 20:09 |
| _Goblin | no? | Jul 18 20:09 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: go head | Jul 18 20:09 |
| DrPizza | He's famous for using a computer with an open source firmware. | Jul 18 20:09 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: today you'll be proud of me | Jul 18 20:09 |
| schestowitz | I bought a small celeron machine | Jul 18 20:09 |
| schestowitz | 0.5 gb of ram | Jul 18 20:09 |
| DrPizza | Since cubezzz was expressing teh desire to use such a machine it was a perfectly relevant reference. | Jul 18 20:09 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: so you need to drag his name in with swearing? | Jul 18 20:09 |
| schestowitz | 30cmx30cm | Jul 18 20:09 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: are you a writer? | Jul 18 20:09 |
| schestowitz | So not taking much power | Jul 18 20:09 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: yes, I'm a writer | Jul 18 20:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @eff I find it hilarious, people sued for using itunes(it's impossible to tell streaming from downloading :P) | Jul 18 20:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @tekk well, not sued, but it'd be illegal | Jul 18 20:09 | |
| schestowitz | And it comes preinstalled with Puppy | Jul 18 20:09 |
| DrPizza | And for god's sake, grow up. | Jul 18 20:09 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: Is it well paid? | Jul 18 20:09 |
| schestowitz | So it saves me having to install anything, no optical drive/s | Jul 18 20:10 |
| DrPizza | Swearing isn't going to make you spontaneously combust. | Jul 18 20:10 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, you going to run KDE 4 on that? | Jul 18 20:10 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: it pays me enough that it's worth doing. | Jul 18 20:10 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: no, won't bother | Jul 18 20:10 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Jul 18 20:10 |
| schestowitz | was puppy 6/5 based on Ubuntu | Jul 18 20:10 |
| schestowitz | ? | Jul 18 20:10 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: Who are you telling to grow up? Me? A person who doesn't need to resort to swearing? Or you, the person who needs to do it, how do you know someone here won't be offended? | Jul 18 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Not sure which one Barry adopted Ubuntu for | Jul 18 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | I just need to make sure it has decent xserver with ssh and basic browsing to display data for me | Jul 18 20:11 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: I think it's generally pretty small-minded to get all hung up on the delivery.It's usually a deflection tactic, to avoid addressing the actual substance of a person's position. | Jul 18 20:11 |
| schestowitz | at work we have 42 inch monitors for that (head-mounted) | Jul 18 20:11 |
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| _Goblin | DrPizza: So you swear on Ars Articles do you? | Jul 18 20:11 |
| DrPizza | You attack the language they use instead of the meaning of their words. | Jul 18 20:11 |
| schestowitz | I want that at home to save desktop switching | Jul 18 20:11 |
| schestowitz | I can use one screen only to display some data I need | Jul 18 20:11 |
| cubezzz | ok, here is the list of motherboards: Tyan s2881, s2882, Gigabyte m57sli-s4, Asus M2V-MX | Jul 18 20:11 |
| cubezzz | not a long list :-/ | Jul 18 20:11 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: occasionally, but due to policy we unfortunately have to bowdlerize it | Jul 18 20:12 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: inn Ars he needs the posture of professionaism | Jul 18 20:12 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: Bingo.... And policy exists because? | Jul 18 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Here he is just laughing at me loudly to prove his superiority | Jul 18 20:12 |
| schestowitz | very rude, IMHO | Jul 18 20:12 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: what GHz? | Jul 18 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Jul 18 20:13 |
| schestowitz | I said the g word | Jul 18 20:13 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: I've worked in an office at which swearing was not rampant, so I'm not really sure where you get "professionalism" from. | Jul 18 20:13 |
| schestowitz | you count in Ms | Jul 18 20:13 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: Because certain small-minded individuals complain about swearing. | Jul 18 20:13 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: Why then would you be rude here? Is the work you do for Ars insincere because you want to swear but dont, or is it that you are merely rude and have no regard for others here? I personally celebrate your right to an opinion. I don't celebrate any right to be rude to others. | Jul 18 20:13 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: is pizza place considered "an office"? | Jul 18 20:13 |
| schestowitz | By the way, choose a proper nym | Jul 18 20:13 |
| schestowitz | It looks like some kid of kids' forum | Jul 18 20:13 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: It isn't rude to swear. | Jul 18 20:13 |
| schestowitz | *some kind | Jul 18 20:14 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: for you, maybe not. | Jul 18 20:14 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: it is | Jul 18 20:14 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: you can speak for the entire internet? Have you considered why Ars might frown upon it? | Jul 18 20:14 |
| schestowitz | You also make the channel discourage some people | Jul 18 20:14 |
| schestowitz | We don't curse her | Jul 18 20:14 |
| schestowitz | *here | Jul 18 20:14 |
| schestowitz | When it happens we raise flags | Jul 18 20:14 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: to avoid upsetting the small-minded, as I already said. | Jul 18 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | daemonfc used to curse | Jul 18 20:14 |
| schestowitz | he doesn't do that much anymore | Jul 18 20:14 |
| schestowitz | if we cursed here, we would weaken our own message | Jul 18 20:15 |
| schestowitz | You wouldn't want that, would you? | Jul 18 20:15 |
| schestowitz | [to DrPizza] | Jul 18 20:15 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: small minded to you. I repeat then, you want to swear in Ars but can't. That to me makes your words insincere. You do not agree with "the small minded people" who you disagree with that get insulted by swearing. | Jul 18 20:15 |
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| DrPizza | _Goblin: It doesn't make my words "insincere"; I can put swear words in, but my editor bowdlerizes them. | Jul 18 20:15 |
| schestowitz | anyway, that's me back to coding crc stuff | Jul 18 20:15 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: personally I try not to take the chance. I don't want to insult anyone. Its easy to write without swearing if you have a grasp of the English language. | Jul 18 20:16 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: infact not swearing can be more powerful textually than expletives. | Jul 18 20:16 |
| DrPizza | well, that's one point of view. | Jul 18 20:17 |
| _Goblin | But then as I say, pro-Microsoft views (not pro-Apple) in my view often resort to swearing. I suppose its because of the handicap of a weakened position when talking about a monopolist with tech people don't want. | Jul 18 20:18 |
| _Goblin | Silverlight. | Jul 18 20:18 |
| _Goblin | Zune | Jul 18 20:18 |
| _Goblin | WP7 | Jul 18 20:18 |
| _Goblin | Kin -Yeah! | Jul 18 20:18 |
| cubezzz | Zune was Amiga project first | Jul 18 20:18 |
| _Goblin | lol | Jul 18 20:18 |
| DrPizza | If people didn't want Mono, they wouldn't use it. | Jul 18 20:18 |
| _Goblin | AROS | Jul 18 20:18 |
| DrPizza | Not that Mono is Microsoft technology. | Jul 18 20:18 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: and they do? | Jul 18 20:18 |
| DrPizza | er, yes, they do. | Jul 18 20:18 |
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| _Goblin | well Ive been using linux with dual boot since 2008 and never once required it. | Jul 18 20:19 |
| DrPizza | so? | Jul 18 20:19 |
| _Goblin | infact the linux users I know haven't either | Jul 18 20:19 |
| _Goblin | infact.... | Jul 18 20:19 |
| DrPizza | So? | Jul 18 20:19 |
| DrPizza | So you think that the Mono project has zero users? | Jul 18 20:19 |
| DrPizza | That nobody uses Mono? | Jul 18 20:19 |
| _Goblin | no | Jul 18 20:19 |
| cubezzz | The Tyan's that FSF uses are Socket 940 | Jul 18 20:19 |
| DrPizza | that they're spending all this time developing it but with no users? | Jul 18 20:19 |
| _Goblin | I personally don't see it as a threat | Jul 18 20:19 |
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| DrPizza | Then what is the relevance of you not using it? | Jul 18 20:19 |
| _Goblin | because its a chance thing. | Jul 18 20:20 |
| _Goblin | People have strong views... | Jul 18 20:20 |
| _Goblin | I don't know the ins and outs of the patent trap thats claimed | Jul 18 20:20 |
| _Goblin | but it matters not, I've no reason to use it. | Jul 18 20:20 |
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| _Goblin | what I challenge is the agressive way in which its attempted to be promoted. | Jul 18 20:21 |
| DrPizza | Aggressive? | Jul 18 20:21 |
| _Goblin | like the "C" word tirade Jo Shields filled my twitter timeline with about a year ago | Jul 18 20:21 |
| DrPizza | I've no idea what you're even alluding to. | Jul 18 20:21 |
| _Goblin | the four letter swear word begginning with C | Jul 18 20:22 |
| DrPizza | Cunt? | Jul 18 20:22 |
| DrPizza | What about it? | Jul 18 20:22 |
| _Goblin | I give up/ | Jul 18 20:22 |
| DrPizza | What has that to do with Mono? | Jul 18 20:22 |
| _Goblin | I thought that | Jul 18 20:22 |
| _Goblin | ask Jo Shields | Jul 18 20:22 |
| DrPizza | Who is Jo Shields/ | Jul 18 20:22 |
| _Goblin | Who are you? | Jul 18 20:22 |
| DrPizza | http://arstechnica.com/author/peter-bright/ <-- me | Jul 18 20:22 |
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| _Goblin | You talk enough about mono..... | Jul 18 20:22 |
| DrPizza | So again; who is Jo Shields? | Jul 18 20:23 |
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| _Goblin | You don't know who Jo Shields is? | Jul 18 20:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @jpope @mcnalu The way I look at it, !Google already has all my data anyway from using !android & other services. Might as well use ! ... | Jul 18 20:23 | |
| _Goblin | well then as an alleged pro-tech writer.... I'd suggest you research..... | Jul 18 20:23 |
| DrPizza | ... | Jul 18 20:23 |
| DrPizza | I have no idea who the hell Jo Shields is, which is precisely why I'm asking you who Jo Shields is. | Jul 18 20:23 |
| _Goblin | If a hobbyist like me can know, you have no excuse. | Jul 18 20:23 |
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| DrPizza | What kind of absurd non-logic is that? | Jul 18 20:24 |
| _Goblin | Maybe enter an expletive.....it might help? | Jul 18 20:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #RIM could halt production of #PlayBook http://tinyurl.com/44ro2q2 #mobile | Jul 18 20:24 | |
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| DrPizza | a metalworker according to Google | Jul 18 20:25 |
| DrPizza | I'm failing to see the relevance | Jul 18 20:25 |
| _Goblin | You sir, are a rude individual. If you have no idea on who Jo Sheilds is and yet talk about Mono, then I think that speaks for itself. I'll let one of the Microsoft Advocates in comp.os.linux.advocacy explain it to you...they hold your text in high regard. | Jul 18 20:26 |
| DrPizza | lol | Jul 18 20:26 |
| _Goblin | and I'm glad you find it funny. | Jul 18 20:26 |
| DrPizza | I don't "talk about Mono", I just know what Mono is and what it strives to do. | Jul 18 20:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Following Chrome's lead, Mozilla looks towards a multi-threaded Firefox release (Inquirer): http://bit.ly/qZe9bK | Jul 18 20:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk life is full of choices; if possible, talk to people who have already taken courses you're interested in | Jul 18 20:26 | |
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| DrPizza | And I know many people who use Mono for their own development | Jul 18 20:26 |
| _Goblin | But yet you don't know about some of the more outspoken people? | Jul 18 20:27 |
| DrPizza | Why would I? | Jul 18 20:27 |
| _Goblin | You seem to know Roy....he's outspoken too. | Jul 18 20:27 |
| DrPizza | I don't follow the project | Jul 18 20:27 |
| DrPizza | I know Roy because he calls me names. | Jul 18 20:27 |
| DrPizza | He turns up in google searches. | Jul 18 20:27 |
| _Goblin | Then I'd suggest, like me, your opinions are on the periphery. | Jul 18 20:27 |
| _Goblin | and like me, would not seek to say how great it is, if you don't spend considerable time researching it. | Jul 18 20:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @liotier #Cypherpunk not dead - http://crypto.is & @cryptodotis : "to assist and encourage #anonymity and #encryption research, devel ... | Jul 18 20:28 | |
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| DrPizza | _Goblin: Huh? | Jul 18 20:28 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: I know what the .NET technology is--I cover Microsoft, after all. | Jul 18 20:28 |
| _Goblin | " I just know what Mono is and what it strives to do." | Jul 18 20:28 |
| DrPizza | And I know that Mono is seeking to replicate the .NET technology. | Jul 18 20:28 |
| _Goblin | -"I just know what Mono is and what it strives to do." - That doesn't sound like a position of knowledge. | Jul 18 20:28 |
| DrPizza | I don't need to know the ins and outs of Mono's development to know what it is and what it strives to do. | Jul 18 20:28 |
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| _Goblin | I'd suggest then, like me, when people voice their concerns about Mono, you can't really comment. As you say " I just know what Mono is and what it strives to do." | Jul 18 20:29 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: I'm knowledgeable about the Microsoft stack, not the Mono clone project. | Jul 18 20:29 |
| DrPizza | On the contrary. | Jul 18 20:29 |
| DrPizza | Since I know about what Mono actually attempts to do--provide a type-safe garbage-collected verifiable language-neutral JIT runtime environment--I can evaluate whether that's a good, useful thing. | Jul 18 20:30 |
| DrPizza | (and it is) | Jul 18 20:30 |
| _Goblin | Ok Drpizza....because this is wasting my time.....how about answering this.... | Jul 18 20:30 |
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| cubezzz | schestowitz, the Tyan boards I mentioned are out of production... socket 904 | Jul 18 20:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] clearly it is time to start talking to other students on occasion, @tekk :) | Jul 18 20:31 | |
| _Goblin | Why do you think Microsoft has utterly failed in nearly all projects that were not forced onto users OEM? | Jul 18 20:31 |
| _Goblin | Kin | Jul 18 20:31 |
| _Goblin | Zune | Jul 18 20:31 |
| _Goblin | Wp7 | Jul 18 20:31 |
| DrPizza | cubezzz: I think the closest you'll get to an open BIOS is EFI, but that's a long way short of actual open. | Jul 18 20:32 |
| DrPizza | cubezzz: (assuming you want mainstream hardware etc.) | Jul 18 20:32 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: I think it's way too early to claim that WP7 has "failed". | Jul 18 20:32 |
| cubezzz | DrPizza, it doesn't have to be mainstream | Jul 18 20:32 |
| schestowitz | [20:27] <DrPizza> I know Roy because he calls me names. | Jul 18 20:32 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: Really? I thought Ballmer has disagreed........ | Jul 18 20:32 |
| schestowitz | "booster" is not names | Jul 18 20:32 |
| DrPizza | cubezzz: then you're back to crappy chinese MIPS knock-offs! | Jul 18 20:32 |
| cubezzz | I still use classic non-x86 hardware | Jul 18 20:32 |
| schestowitz | it's an accurate description | Jul 18 20:32 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: Really. | Jul 18 20:32 |
| schestowitz | do you prefer "Microsoft promoter"? | Jul 18 20:32 |
| _Goblin | WP7 Where microsoft tech goes to die.....Zune...et al. | Jul 18 20:33 |
| schestowitz | people call me names | Jul 18 20:33 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: What was ballmers comments on WP7 performance? Hows it been seen by the market? | Jul 18 20:33 |
| schestowitz | I don't call people names | Jul 18 20:33 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: how come SQL Server, Exchange Server, SharePoint have not failed and are not forced by OEMs | Jul 18 20:33 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: on the contrary, it's a name. | Jul 18 20:33 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: especially as I don't promote Microsoft. | Jul 18 20:33 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: or the 360.....please read I said nearly all. | Jul 18 20:33 |
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| _Goblin | DrPizza: would you recommend a WP7? | Jul 18 20:34 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: how many counter examples would it take to refute "nearly all"? At what point would you concede that your "nearly all" was untrue? | Jul 18 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:31] <_Goblin> Why do you think Microsoft has utterly failed in nearly all projects that were not forced onto users OEM? | Jul 18 20:34 |
| schestowitz | You forgot many more | Jul 18 20:34 |
| _Goblin | ok....next time I'll list. | Jul 18 20:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Comemorarea Reginei Maria, 18 iulie 2011 http://tinyurl.com/6eupk8z #romania #monarchy | Jul 18 20:34 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_-_Dead_Divisions_or_Products | Jul 18 20:34 |
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| _Goblin | What about Wordpress bailing out Microsoft and its blogger refugees? | Jul 18 20:34 |
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| DrPizza | _Goblin: I would prefer if you simply answered the question. I mean what if the success rate was 50/50; would you regard that as refutation? | Jul 18 20:35 |
| schestowitz | And I've heardly up[dated this list for almost a year | Jul 18 20:35 |
| schestowitz | So add or take another dozen | Jul 18 20:35 |
| DrPizza | I mean, "nearly all" is a pretty high standard | Jul 18 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Mirosoft is in the spiral going down the tube now, so I don't care too much | Jul 18 20:35 |
| DrPizza | I would say that "nearly all" would require in excess of 80% of projects to fail. | Jul 18 20:35 |
| schestowitz | It's Apple that I start worrying about too | Jul 18 20:35 |
| DrPizza | If not 90%. | Jul 18 20:35 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: hang on...I asked you to comment.....so you now turn it back on me? You answer my question, Would you recommend a WP7? | Jul 18 20:35 |
| _Goblin | and I'll be happy to answer you | Jul 18 20:36 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: sure, I'd recommend it. It looks nice and works well, albeit with certain limits at present. | Jul 18 20:36 |
| _Goblin | lol | Jul 18 20:36 |
| _Goblin | like copy and paste | Jul 18 20:36 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jul 18 20:36 |
| _Goblin | tethering | Jul 18 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Told ya | Jul 18 20:36 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: it has copy and paste. | Jul 18 20:36 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jul 18 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Sure | Jul 18 20:36 |
| schestowitz | in 2011 | Jul 18 20:36 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jul 18 20:36 |
| _Goblin | oh sorry.....I thought it just got the update for the update for copy and paste | Jul 18 20:36 |
| schestowitz | !google clipit apple killed | Jul 18 20:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Free App Friday: Clip It, Clip it Good | Mac|Life | http://www.maclife.com/article/columns/free_app_friday_clip_it_clip_it_good | Jul 18 20:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Angel Face -- (Movie Clip) It's The Altitude | http://www.tcm.com/mediaroom/video/319787/Angel-Face-Movie-Clip-It-s-The-Altitude.html | Jul 18 20:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Editorial: How Apple Quietly Killed $149 Video iPods… And More ... | http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/editorial-how-apple-quietly-killed-149-video-ipods...-and-more/ | Jul 18 20:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Anticipating the Apple Saboteur in Motorola | http://www.technewsworld.com/story/71644.html | Jul 18 20:36 |
| DrPizza | I would like tethering to be added, for sure, but it's a pretty niche feature unfortunately | Jul 18 20:36 |
| _Goblin | no its not | Jul 18 20:37 |
| DrPizza | (and mobile operators hate it) | Jul 18 20:37 |
| DrPizza | Yes it is. | Jul 18 20:37 |
| _Goblin | no they dont | Jul 18 20:37 |
| DrPizza | Yes, they do. | Jul 18 20:37 |
| schestowitz | maybe it was called something else, whatever the first ipof copy and paste was... | Jul 18 20:37 |
| _Goblin | where do you get this stuff? | Jul 18 20:37 |
| schestowitz | My 8 year old Palm does copy and paste | Jul 18 20:37 |
| schestowitz | And did this also 10 years ago when I used an m130 | Jul 18 20:37 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: just look at how many telcos prohibt the use of tethering with their "unlimited" data plans | Jul 18 20:37 |
| _Goblin | Cant think of any in the UK.... | Jul 18 20:37 |
| schestowitz | I can still type more posts on it per time unit than some chic 'Ipad' user | Jul 18 20:37 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: er, I can | Jul 18 20:37 |
| _Goblin | O2 | Jul 18 20:37 |
| cubezzz | OLPC had open BIOS | Jul 18 20:37 |
| _Goblin | tmobile | Jul 18 20:38 |
| _Goblin | orange | Jul 18 20:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft struggles to get Hyper-V drivers in Linux kernel (Network World): http://bit.ly/p1CCLG | Jul 18 20:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk Don't know anyone @ the uni entrance exam is for? Well, you will by next year. Either way 1st year will be a learning experience ;) | Jul 18 20:38 | |
| schestowitz | tethering limits | Jul 18 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | must suck to use Internet in the US | Jul 18 20:38 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: of course, most won't even offer unlimited data plans any more. | Jul 18 20:38 |
| schestowitz | I guess data points are also less densely distributed there | Jul 18 20:38 |
| _Goblin | Yeah we remember the WP7 reports of gobbling data.....when it wasn't even in use. | Jul 18 20:38 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: it's getting worse in the UK, unfortunately | Jul 18 20:38 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: which city are you in? | Jul 18 20:38 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: funny that....stand by for a link.... | Jul 18 20:38 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: yes, which turned out tobe a faulty IMAP implementation by IMAP that also affected the iPhone and Android | Jul 18 20:38 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: London | Jul 18 20:38 |
| schestowitz | The major cities probably have lots of spare b/w to share | Jul 18 20:39 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: it's now harder to find unlimited data plans than it used to be. | Jul 18 20:39 |
| DrPizza | They're still around (e.g. giffgaff) | Jul 18 20:39 |
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| DrPizza | but now that there's a large number of users actually USING their data plans | Jul 18 20:39 |
| schestowitz | to defend mp7 not doign tethering by saying that tethering is disallowed is sour grapes defence | Jul 18 20:39 |
| DrPizza | they're cutting back on allowancse | Jul 18 20:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Turn freedom on "Every morning I see people wearing dog collars, reporting their location...to Stephen P. Jobs" http://youtu.be/gORNmfpD0ak | Jul 18 20:39 | |
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| DrPizza | schestowitz: I'm not defending it; I think it should have tethering | Jul 18 20:39 |
| schestowitz | You could also say it's good for apple to kill a copy and paste app cause it helps 'protect' copyright holders | Jul 18 20:40 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: But I also acknowledge that there's not a huge non-geek demand for it. | Jul 18 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | DrPizza: _Goblin uses tehthering a lot | Jul 18 20:40 |
| DrPizza | So do I. | Jul 18 20:40 |
| schestowitz | I did some audiocasts with _Goblin over tethered connection | Jul 18 20:40 |
| schestowitz | So why say it sucks? | Jul 18 20:40 |
| DrPizza | Huh? | Jul 18 20:40 |
| _Goblin | Let me quote another "writer" (and I suppose fellow expert!?!?!): | Jul 18 20:40 |
| DrPizza | Where did I say it sucks? | Jul 18 20:40 |
| _Goblin | "No one buys a smart phone with a limited data plan, that’s just dumb and the store usually won’t let you… If you buy any smart phone you should buy an unlimited data plan. It’s just common sense." | Jul 18 20:40 |
| schestowitz | His Android phone helps him be productve | Jul 18 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Yet you dismiss the important of this feature cause Microosft lacks it | Jul 18 20:41 |
| _Goblin | That was from this guy: http://en.gravatar.com/uxmagic | Jul 18 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | Its code monkeys are perjaps lacking morale or money | Jul 18 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Google gets all the good devs now | Jul 18 20:41 |
| _Goblin | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/windows-phone-7-gorges-on-your-data-limit-more-trouble-ahead-for-wp7/ | Jul 18 20:41 |
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| _Goblin | DrPizza: so lets get this straight...... | Jul 18 20:41 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: yes, I covered that very story; Yahoo! admitted it was their fault. | Jul 18 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft fires the good devs and develops WIndows in Mumbai or that other city whose name I can't recall | Jul 18 20:41 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: people took dumps of the IMAP sessions | Jul 18 20:42 |
| schestowitz | who develops wp7? | Jul 18 20:42 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: turns out Yahoo!'s IMAP servers were ignoring certain parts of the command that were being sent, thus not complying with the RFC. | Jul 18 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Where are the danger developers? | Jul 18 20:42 |
| DrPizza | The Danger devs mostly quit after idiotically being forced to rewrite their software | Jul 18 20:42 |
| DrPizza | Instead of just using Java on NetBSD as they wanted to. | Jul 18 20:42 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: You would recommend a Windows Phone 7, yet you require a feature it doesn't have......? | Jul 18 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Without sidekick around they either sit on their hands, got laid off (Rubin the Android manager came from Danger), or doing another project | Jul 18 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Zune -fail | Jul 18 20:42 |
| schestowitz | KIN -fail | Jul 18 20:42 |
| schestowitz | WM 6.5 fial | Jul 18 20:43 |
| DrPizza | Rubin left Danger before the MS purchase. | Jul 18 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Sidekick fail | Jul 18 20:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #FreedomBox presentation in the European #Parliament on Sept 7: Spread the word, contact your MEP http://awe.sm/5P75y #eu #romania #internet | Jul 18 20:43 | |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: well I'd know about anyone else, but I'm convinced. | Jul 18 20:43 |
| schestowitz | 2p7 -in progress, will fail | Jul 18 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | DrPizza: he did | Jul 18 20:43 |
| schestowitz | he had foresight | Jul 18 20:43 |
| schestowitz | those who stayed threw the company in the can | Jul 18 20:43 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: My sister, her boyfriend, my other sister, her fiance, my parents, my girlfriend, do not tether, and never have. | Jul 18 20:43 |
| DrPizza | I do. | Jul 18 20:43 |
| schestowitz | By selling to the company that ruins most things it buys | Jul 18 20:43 |
| DrPizza | so from where I'm standing, it's safe to recommend a phone that can't tether | Jul 18 20:43 |
| DrPizza | because most people don't tether | Jul 18 20:43 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: he left long before a Microsoft purchase was even on the cards, AFAIK. | Jul 18 20:44 |
| schestowitz | safe? | Jul 18 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Howm so? | Jul 18 20:44 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: thats funny....my father, my sister, my brother in law and cousins do. | Jul 18 20:44 |
| _Goblin | anyway.... | Jul 18 20:44 |
| schestowitz | It's nom going to bite them | Jul 18 20:44 |
| schestowitz | And it's hardly using up silicon | Jul 18 20:44 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: "safe" insofar as the lack of tethering will never even be noticed by them. | Jul 18 20:44 |
| schestowitz | It's a feature implemented in software | Jul 18 20:44 |
| _Goblin | BRB - Im going for a smoke....all this talk about unwanted Microsoft tech has given my brain a BSOD. | Jul 18 20:44 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: again, if Mono were "unwanted" how come people voluntarily use it? | Jul 18 20:45 |
| schestowitz | by that logic, it's safe to suggest a car without A/C in the UK | Jul 18 20:45 |
| schestowitz | if they don't buy it in July :-_) | Jul 18 20:45 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: no, on both sunny days people will notice its absence | Jul 18 20:45 |
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| DrPizza | They could get away with it this july. | Jul 18 20:45 |
| schestowitz | they could make good use of it though | Jul 18 20:46 |
| schestowitz | and it uses car battery? | Jul 18 20:46 |
| DrPizza | ??? | Jul 18 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | Why deny them the luxury? | Jul 18 20:46 |
| DrPizza | I don't? | Jul 18 20:46 |
| schestowitz | the way these things are designed, it's better to have than not to have | Jul 18 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Same with tethering | Jul 18 20:46 |
| DrPizza | I agree. | Jul 18 20:46 |
| DrPizza | I don't disagree with that. | Jul 18 20:46 |
| DrPizza | I've never disagreed with that. | Jul 18 20:46 |
| schestowitz | accept that we made a valid point | Jul 18 20:46 |
| DrPizza | ??? | Jul 18 20:46 |
| schestowitz | you can concede that some people would have use for tethering in w97 | Jul 18 20:47 |
| DrPizza | You're arguing against a claim I never made. | Jul 18 20:47 |
| DrPizza | What do you mean "concede"? | Jul 18 20:47 |
| DrPizza | I never denied it. | Jul 18 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise it's an newb's phone | Jul 18 20:47 |
| schestowitz | for people who just answer it | Jul 18 20:47 |
| DrPizza | Guess what? Most people are "newbs". | Jul 18 20:47 |
| schestowitz | in which case some PAYG phone might be better | Jul 18 20:47 |
| schestowitz | those don't run wp7 | Jul 18 20:47 |
| schestowitz | If Microsoft's niche is stupid customer, then fine, but Microsoft knows it's well behidn | Jul 18 20:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is psquid with 109 dents! | Jul 18 20:48 | |
| schestowitz | That's why it's just trying to make money from Android now | Jul 18 20:48 |
| schestowitz | The winning platform | Jul 18 20:48 |
| schestowitz | It quit tryint to compete | Jul 18 20:48 |
| schestowitz | After spending hundreds of millions of dollars just MARKETING wp7 | Jul 18 20:48 |
| DrPizza | If it quit trying to compete it would cease development of WP7. | Jul 18 20:48 |
| DrPizza | Which hasn't happened. | Jul 18 20:48 |
| schestowitz | by spreading money across online 'publications' | Jul 18 20:48 |
| schestowitz | for artificial 'hype' | Jul 18 20:49 |
| schestowitz | You realise that wp7 is losing? | Jul 18 20:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:48] <DrPizza> If it quit trying to compete it would cease development of WP7. | Jul 18 20:49 |
| schestowitz | it would look bad | Jul 18 20:49 |
| schestowitz | and would make Mirosodr a patent troll overnight | Jul 18 20:49 |
| DrPizza | I realize and have reported on the fact that its sales figures are low. | Jul 18 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Right now they can claim to be a practising entity | Jul 18 20:49 |
| schestowitz | And they also t0ok ages to can Zune | Jul 18 20:49 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @meegoexperts What do all these MeeGo version numbers mean? http://mge.bz/g6 #MeeGo #Tablet #Handset #Developer #Images #Intel | Jul 18 20:49 | |
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| DrPizza | schestowitz: and yet they killed KIN almost instantly. | Jul 18 20:50 |
| schestowitz | They could can it in 2008 after it clearly failed and nobody bought the thing, marketing must have cost more than sales broguht in | Jul 18 20:50 |
| schestowitz | the "HD" was a miserable last go at it | Jul 18 20:50 |
| schestowitz | !google zune cnn laughts | Jul 18 20:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Gimme ur i-pod(zune) - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DVP20htWVlEY | Jul 18 20:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Articles about Mp3 - CNN | http://articles.cnn.com/keyword/mp3 | Jul 18 20:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Video: Microsoft's Zune gets owned by tiny iPod Shuffle! « theory ... | http://theory.isthereason.com/%3Fp%3D1386 | Jul 18 20:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Zune Insider - Part 5 | http://zuneinsider.com/page/5/ | Jul 18 20:50 |
| DrPizza | The HD was pretty well reviewed, actually. | Jul 18 20:50 |
| DrPizza | in general | Jul 18 20:50 |
| DrPizza | Few people actually bought them. | Jul 18 20:50 |
| DrPizza | But people who used it seemed to like it. | Jul 18 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | [20:50] <DrPizza> The HD was pretty well reviewed, actually. | Jul 18 20:50 |
| schestowitz | So it's the customers' fault | Jul 18 20:51 |
| schestowitz | I know this defence | Jul 18 20:51 |
| DrPizza | I've only handled one for a few minutes, but hte hardware design's aesthetic was very nice. | Jul 18 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft loves using this | Jul 18 20:51 |
| DrPizza | Er, I didn't say that. | Jul 18 20:51 |
| schestowitz | "we made great products, the customrs were too dumb to appreciate it" | Jul 18 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Always works... | Jul 18 20:51 |
| DrPizza | I didn't say anything of the sort. | Jul 18 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Origami | Jul 18 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Vistagami.... | Jul 18 20:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz Overview of CentOS 6 http://ur1.ca/4q38d upon the new release. #centos #centos6 #redhat #gnu #linux #rhel | Jul 18 20:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz On Linux Distributions and Desktops http://ur1.ca/4qc4z "However, what names come into mind when you think about Desktops?" | Jul 18 20:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz GNU/Linux Saves Old PCs, Not Just Money http://ur1.ca/4qble Windows PCs that quietly get turned over to #GNU #Linux in t ... | Jul 18 20:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz GNU/Linux Saves Old PCs, Not Just Money http://ur1.ca/4qble Windows PCs that quietly get turned over to #GNU #Linux in t ... | Jul 18 20:51 | |
| schestowitz | Surface | Jul 18 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | Need we go on? | Jul 18 20:51 |
| DrPizza | Why do you persist in arguing against things I haven't said? | Jul 18 20:51 |
| DrPizza | It's the same with tethering. | Jul 18 20:51 |
| DrPizza | Nowhere did I say that tethering was bad or undesirable. | Jul 18 20:51 |
| DrPizza | And yet you acted as if I had. | Jul 18 20:51 |
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| DrPizza | It's very disingenuous of you. | Jul 18 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | you said it's not needed, or implied it | Jul 18 20:52 |
| schestowitz | That people would not use it | Jul 18 20:52 |
| DrPizza | I said that most people don't tether. | Jul 18 20:52 |
| schestowitz | yet _Goblin's family, which is not in IT, uses it extensively | Jul 18 20:52 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: many people still use symbian phones | Jul 18 20:52 |
| schestowitz | the new phoones that get sold (smartphones) often have this feature | Jul 18 20:52 |
| DrPizza | I also said that most mobile operators disliked tethering, and prohibited its use with unlimited data plans. | Jul 18 20:52 |
| DrPizza | Sure. | Jul 18 20:52 |
| DrPizza | That doesn't mean that people use it. | Jul 18 20:52 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure it's true outside the US | Jul 18 20:52 |
| DrPizza | It's true in the UK. | Jul 18 20:53 |
| schestowitz | But I'd take your word that it does soemtimes happen in the US | Jul 18 20:53 |
| schestowitz | !google tethering uk legal | Jul 18 20:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - How do I tether my iPhone 3GS (UK O2)? - Yahoo! UK & Ireland Answers | http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index%3Fqid%3D20110503023320AAUTmqq | Jul 18 20:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Pennsylvania Dog Tethering Laws | eHow.co.uk | http://www.ehow.co.uk/info_8632222_pennsylvania-dog-tethering-laws.html | Jul 18 20:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - RSPCA 'sow tethering' telephone campaign | SOFII | http://www.sofii.org/node/381 | Jul 18 20:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Simple Hack to Enable Free iPhone Tethering On Any Carrier | http://www.iphonedownloadblog.com/2009/06/18/enable-free-iphone-tethering/ | Jul 18 20:53 |
| DrPizza | lol | Jul 18 20:53 |
| DrPizza | "legal" | Jul 18 20:53 |
| DrPizza | I never said anything about its legality. | Jul 18 20:53 |
| schestowitz | I go to shops here and never heard of such restrictions | Jul 18 20:53 |
| DrPizza | I said that most mobile operators prohibit it. | Jul 18 20:53 |
| schestowitz | But you're in the US | Jul 18 20:53 |
| schestowitz | You know better than me the UK policies | Jul 18 20:53 |
| DrPizza | Huh? | Jul 18 20:53 |
| schestowitz | You write for Ars | Jul 18 20:53 |
| DrPizza | You just asked me where I lived | Jul 18 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Big publication | Jul 18 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Big audience | Jul 18 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | I salute your infinite success and wisdom | Jul 18 20:54 |
| schestowitz | now you can "LOL" at me | Jul 18 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | anyway, I'm back to coding | Jul 18 20:54 |
| DrPizza | sche: Which of the four UK operators lets you tether with unlimited data plans? | Jul 18 20:54 |
| schestowitz | I knew this would be like talking to a faithhead | Jul 18 20:54 |
| DrPizza | ugh stupid client | Jul 18 20:55 |
| DrPizza | Only 3 is even remotely reasonable about tethering. | Jul 18 20:55 |
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| DrPizza | And even they don't just allow blanket usage of tethered connections. | Jul 18 20:55 |
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| DrPizza | And just to make it clear, for a second time; I live in the UK, in London. | Jul 18 20:56 |
| DrPizza | I'm well aware of what's available from UK mobile operators. | Jul 18 20:56 |
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| _Goblin | thats better... | Jul 18 20:57 |
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| _Goblin | DrPizza: So you can tell us what happens then when you exceed *fair use. | Jul 18 20:58 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: heh. | Jul 18 20:58 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: I can... | Jul 18 20:58 |
| DrPizza | That is one of life's mysteries! | Jul 18 20:58 |
| DrPizza | Sometimes nothing. | Jul 18 20:58 |
| DrPizza | Sometimes a text message. | Jul 18 20:58 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: Ive spoken to them | Jul 18 20:58 |
| DrPizza | Sometimes extra charges. | Jul 18 20:58 |
| DrPizza | It varies from case to case and operator to operator. | Jul 18 20:58 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: they all share the same ethos....and the *fair use for most people (unless your phone is gobbling data randomly) is quite straight-forward...and also, unless you are a warez junkie, I'd suggest rather difficult to fall foul of. | Jul 18 21:00 |
| DrPizza | It's hard to fall foul of if you don't tether. | Jul 18 21:00 |
| _Goblin | thats why tethering is great for UK... | Jul 18 21:00 |
| DrPizza | It's unfortunately rather easy to fall foul of it if you do. | Jul 18 21:00 |
| _Goblin | I haven't fallen foul of it at all. | Jul 18 21:00 |
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| DrPizza | Even with light 'net usage I was pushing 4 or 5 GB/week. | Jul 18 21:01 |
| DrPizza | 3 didn't like that. | Jul 18 21:01 |
| DrPizza | And pointed out that I had to enable tethering and have data caps. | Jul 18 21:01 |
| _Goblin | again.... 3 (if memory serves have a 3gig limit) | Jul 18 21:01 |
| DrPizza | Yes, this was in the olden days of unlimited data. | Jul 18 21:01 |
| DrPizza | I think now the main plan they promote is a 3 GB cap. | Jul 18 21:02 |
| _Goblin | according to the WP7 phone dev "expert" that commented on my article the WP7 data gobbling wasn't an issue because of Unlimited. | Jul 18 21:02 |
| DrPizza | (a soft cap, but a cap nonetheless) | Jul 18 21:02 |
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| _Goblin | I'll let people know if Orange/Tmobile have an issue with my heavy use. | Jul 18 21:02 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: Which provider is offering unlimited data, with tethering, on new callplans for less than, say, £40/month? | Jul 18 21:02 |
| _Goblin | tmobile | Jul 18 21:03 |
| _Goblin | my provider | Jul 18 21:03 |
| _Goblin | I pay £29 | Jul 18 21:03 |
| _Goblin | actually you can double that...but I have two contracts | Jul 18 21:03 |
| DrPizza | No | Jul 18 21:03 |
| DrPizza | http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/uk/fairuse/ | Jul 18 21:03 |
| _Goblin | what do you mean no? What are they taking 29 out of my account for? | Jul 18 21:03 |
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| DrPizza | "Remember that you can only use internet on your phone in the UK and you can't use your phone as a modem (tethering) or use internet on your phone for peer-to-peer file sharing or making internet phone calls. " | Jul 18 21:03 |
| _Goblin | yes, but ive explained the fair use is not the issue you make it to be. | Jul 18 21:04 |
| DrPizza | http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/terms-and-conditions/pay-monthly-deals/#truly-unlimited-internet | Jul 18 21:04 |
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| DrPizza | Truly unlimited means use as many MB/GB as you like, but you can't use your phone as a modem (tethering), for peer to peer file sharing or for making internet phone calls. | Jul 18 21:04 |
| _Goblin | every other phone is quite happily tethering....but in WP7's case its not.....the excuse is "fair use hobbles it" | Jul 18 21:04 |
| DrPizza | If you want to tether on T-Mobile you have to pay extra, for a plan that authorizes tethering. | Jul 18 21:04 |
| DrPizza | Huh? | Jul 18 21:04 |
| _Goblin | I am telling you, I am paying no extra. | Jul 18 21:04 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: To tether? | Jul 18 21:05 |
| DrPizza | On which call plan? | Jul 18 21:05 |
| _Goblin | yep | Jul 18 21:05 |
| DrPizza | Which plan offers unlimited data and authorized tethering? | Jul 18 21:05 |
| _Goblin | I'd have to look at my bill....Ive been a customer for 4 years. | Jul 18 21:05 |
| DrPizza | <DrPizza> _Goblin: Which provider is offering unlimited data, with tethering, on new callplans for less than, say, £40/month? | Jul 18 21:05 |
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| DrPizza | "new callplans", please note | Jul 18 21:05 |
| _Goblin | I can only comment for my own....I don't know if they "upgraded" me.... | Jul 18 21:06 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: I'd also be very surprised if they actually authorized tethering on your plan. | Jul 18 21:06 |
| DrPizza | They don't have to authorize it for it to work. | Jul 18 21:06 |
| _Goblin | So without getting off track then, are you saying WP7 won't tether? | Jul 18 21:06 |
| DrPizza | It won't tether. | Jul 18 21:06 |
| DrPizza | I would prefer if it would. | Jul 18 21:06 |
| DrPizza | But I acknowledge that it's a feature that most people don't use. | Jul 18 21:06 |
| _Goblin | but what about the "fair use" you've just been banging on about? | Jul 18 21:06 |
| DrPizza | ??? | Jul 18 21:06 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: You are wrong...let me give an example | Jul 18 21:07 |
| MinceR | how quaint, having to have tethering authorized | Jul 18 21:07 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: eh, even years ago when unlimited data was commonplace, they generally frowned on tethering. | Jul 18 21:07 |
| DrPizza | It's questionable whether they can actually *detect* the tethering. | Jul 18 21:08 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: The laptop users who use their PC for standard tasks....they love to tether and have it as part of their Mobile, rather than paying for a landline connection or a separate dongle...there are many of these.... | Jul 18 21:08 |
| DrPizza | But they never claimed to like it. | Jul 18 21:08 |
| MinceR | sucks to be you in the usa :> | Jul 18 21:08 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: I'm talking about the UK. | Jul 18 21:08 |
| MinceR | ah, so telcos are problematic even in the uk | Jul 18 21:08 |
| MinceR | good to know | Jul 18 21:08 |
| MinceR | where else are they playing this game? | Jul 18 21:08 |
| DrPizza | I don't know of a country in which they don't suck. | Jul 18 21:08 |
| _Goblin | but as I say DrPizza plans aside, you don't seem to have problems with dataplans and tethering...... | Jul 18 21:08 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: Huh? | Jul 18 21:09 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: what is it that you think I've said that you think you're arguing against? | Jul 18 21:09 |
| DrPizza | I'm really not clear here. | Jul 18 21:09 |
| MinceR | well, in hungaristan, they don't really care what you stick your SIM into and whether you use it to tether or not | Jul 18 21:09 |
| MinceR | as far as i can tell | Jul 18 21:09 |
| DrPizza | I've said all along that I think tethering is a good thing to have. | Jul 18 21:09 |
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| sebsebseb | MinceR: hungaristan? Hungary? | Jul 18 21:09 |
| MinceR | yes | Jul 18 21:09 |
| _Goblin | well the point of this was tethering and WP7...I asked you what you thought about the WP7, you said you wished it had tethering, then went on to suggest that tethering was some sort of prohibitive task in the uk. | Jul 18 21:10 |
| MinceR | the newest dictatorship in europe | Jul 18 21:10 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Hungariran | Jul 18 21:10 |
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| MinceR | belarus II. | Jul 18 21:10 |
| MinceR | however you like to call it | Jul 18 21:10 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: the way it worked inthe US and UK, at least, is that in the early days of 3G/data, unlimited plans were abundant, but as more people started to use such features, the mobile operators got stricter about what they allowed, and introduced data caps | Jul 18 21:10 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: er, what? | Jul 18 21:10 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: DrPizza Mobile phones, oh mobile phones, oh boring mobile phones, heh heh | Jul 18 21:10 |
| MinceR | here data caps have been present from the start | Jul 18 21:10 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: I said simply that mobile operators don't really like tethering. | Jul 18 21:10 |
| MinceR | now there are some fake "unlimited" plans | Jul 18 21:11 |
| MinceR | ("unlimited until we decide that you're using it too much") | Jul 18 21:11 |
| DrPizza | heh | Jul 18 21:11 |
| DrPizza | yeah, that's quite common | Jul 18 21:11 |
| _Goblin | but its accademic what you say since many people do tether and do require it. Why does WP7 not have it? | Jul 18 21:11 |
| MinceR | i decided to just keep the cap instead | Jul 18 21:11 |
| sebsebseb | anyway phones hmm yeah mobile phones, well very propritary really, whatever your using for it Android or WP7 or Iphone or whatever it is | Jul 18 21:11 |
| sebsebseb | very commercial | Jul 18 21:11 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: Because it's far down the priority list, because only a small proportion of users demand it. | Jul 18 21:11 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: the cup and string tech is "open" should you require it. | Jul 18 21:11 |
| MinceR | not so proprietary if you're using something like OpenMoko or even MeeGo | Jul 18 21:11 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: The what tech? | Jul 18 21:12 |
| MinceR | or a GSM card in a PC | Jul 18 21:12 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: The iPhone, for example, sold enormous quantities prior to getting tethering. | Jul 18 21:12 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: are there 3G cards that aren't full of patented tech and proprietary firmware? | Jul 18 21:12 |
| MinceR | the hypePhone sold enormous quantities against common sense | Jul 18 21:12 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: and thats where we differ completely.... and the iphone continues to sell enormous quantities | Jul 18 21:12 |
| sebsebseb | anyway yeah I don't care much about mobile phones, except for a little bit, when it comes to what software is being run on them | Jul 18 21:12 |
| MinceR | it's just a fashion item with no technical virtues | Jul 18 21:12 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: that hte iPhone sold very well even without tethering is not somethign we can differ on. | Jul 18 21:12 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: Which reminds me......remember the WP7 funeral for the iPhone? Whens that going to happen.... | Jul 18 21:12 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: they are, but they probably let you do more than most phones would | Jul 18 21:12 |
| DrPizza | It's just a fact. | Jul 18 21:12 |
| DrPizza | It happened. | Jul 18 21:12 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure, i've never had such a card | Jul 18 21:13 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: no the main streame, think it's so cool, looks so great, heh heh, loads of them the consumer sheeps | Jul 18 21:13 |
| DrPizza | You can claim that it shouldn't have happend or whateve.r | Jul 18 21:13 |
| DrPizza | But it did. | Jul 18 21:13 |
| DrPizza | People bought millions of iPhones, without tethering. | Jul 18 21:13 |
| MinceR | as for the hypePhone selling well, any turd with a crApple logo sells well | Jul 18 21:13 |
| MinceR | who cares? | Jul 18 21:13 |
| sebsebseb | any turd? heh heh in a way | Jul 18 21:13 |
| DrPizza | So I think it's fair to say that there's a large market of people who just aren't that bothered about tethering. | Jul 18 21:13 |
| _Goblin | millions of people are still buying Iphones Drpizza or do you disagree with that too? | Jul 18 21:13 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: the Mac Cube didn't. | Jul 18 21:13 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: I don't disagree at all, they are indeed still buying millions of iPhones; are you suggesting that tehy're buying them just to tether? | Jul 18 21:14 |
| sebsebseb | Apple is like Google, it's a known brand, that many average consumers like | Jul 18 21:14 |
| sebsebseb | and this is why Google+ is getting popular for example | Jul 18 21:14 |
| sebsebseb | since it's from their beloved Google | Jul 18 21:14 |
| MinceR | except that google has some services that actually work | Jul 18 21:14 |
| MinceR | and that are actually worth using | Jul 18 21:14 |
| _Goblin | not at all, but its an increasingly more important feature for many in my view. Out of the people I know with smartphones who are NOT tech interested 7/10 of them want to tehter. | Jul 18 21:14 |
| _Goblin | *tether | Jul 18 21:14 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I read something about how Microsoft might start a social network :D | Jul 18 21:14 |
| sebsebseb | or kind of thing | Jul 18 21:14 |
| MinceR | they've bought one already | Jul 18 21:14 |
| MinceR | they call it facebook | Jul 18 21:15 |
| MinceR | i call it DumbFuckBook | Jul 18 21:15 |
| MinceR | sure, they don't officially own it | Jul 18 21:15 |
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| sebsebseb | _Goblin likes Facebook really :D | Jul 18 21:15 |
| _Goblin | lol | Jul 18 21:15 |
| _Goblin | I think I called it insidious. | Jul 18 21:15 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: I would love if tethering were more important, because it would probably see networks remove their "no tethering" restrictions. | Jul 18 21:15 |
| MinceR | but DFB did advertise bìng so you know who's zuckerberg's daddy | Jul 18 21:15 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: I just don't believe for a second that it IS important. | Jul 18 21:15 |
| _Goblin | and I don't appreciate a child (Mark) telling me that my kids should be on it. | Jul 18 21:15 |
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| DrPizza | The sooner the mobile networks convert to being dumb pipes, the better. | Jul 18 21:16 |
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| MinceR | oops, misspelled fuckerberg | Jul 18 21:16 |
| MinceR | that's what nearly 3 days of no irc does to you... | Jul 18 21:16 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: well we both have our views. Mine are formed from people I know, I certainly don't go off surveys.....I can only state my views with my own justifications for them | Jul 18 21:16 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: ah, but, your kids are way to young to sign up on Facebook just yet, I thought | Jul 18 21:16 |
| sebsebseb | or kid | Jul 18 21:16 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: anyway by the time they are older, it may be mainly about Google+ instead | Jul 18 21:17 |
| DrPizza | I don't even mind reasonable caps, really; just as long as there aren't restrictions on how you use it | Jul 18 21:17 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: Google+ will sort facebook out.....bit of diversity in the marketplace...great stuff | Jul 18 21:17 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: its only a shame that Diaspora seems so slow off the mark | Jul 18 21:17 |
| sebsebseb | well Disapora is open source thing | Jul 18 21:17 |
| sebsebseb | so uhmm | Jul 18 21:17 |
| DrPizza | diaspora was fundamentally flawed. | Jul 18 21:17 |
| sebsebseb | and non commerical | Jul 18 21:17 |
| sebsebseb | and a social networking site | Jul 18 21:18 |
| sebsebseb | so yep unlikely to go main streame any time soon if ever | Jul 18 21:18 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: I'm not taking that bait. | Jul 18 21:18 |
| DrPizza | People may want privacy to some greater or lesser extent, but for most, if you can't just tick a box and be done with it, it's more complicated than they can be bothered with. | Jul 18 21:18 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: anyway Identica would have more chance at going main streame really, but nope it hasn't or not yet, but that's good really anyway, if you look at well what has become of Twitter these days | Jul 18 21:18 |
| sebsebseb | companies using Twitter to advertise their products and so on | Jul 18 21:18 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: When you attempt to launch a social networking site of your own, maybe you can comment. Diaspora is not even public beta yet. | Jul 18 21:18 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: I can comment because I can see just how flawed the idea is. | Jul 18 21:19 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: of course. | Jul 18 21:19 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: So does Google+ have your blessing? | Jul 18 21:20 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 18 21:20 |
| DrPizza | I don't really have any use for G+ | Jul 18 21:20 |
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| MinceR | DrPizza: does fb have your blessing? | Jul 18 21:20 |
| _Goblin | of course it does | Jul 18 21:20 |
| DrPizza | I use Facebook all the time | Jul 18 21:20 |
| DrPizza | It's very useufl | Jul 18 21:20 |
| _Goblin | lol | Jul 18 21:20 |
| DrPizza | useful* | Jul 18 21:20 |
| MinceR | spoken like a true m$ cultist | Jul 18 21:20 |
| DrPizza | lol | Jul 18 21:20 |
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| DrPizza | Google+ lacks Facebook features that I use, like events and walls, so it's not very interesting to me. | Jul 18 21:21 |
| _Goblin | lol... | Jul 18 21:21 |
| MinceR | hm, took a while to access the m$ talking point database there | Jul 18 21:21 |
| DrPizza | hurrr | Jul 18 21:21 |
| sebsebseb | DrPizza: Google+ will improve | Jul 18 21:21 |
| sebsebseb | ,but uhmm | Jul 18 21:21 |
| sebsebseb | social networking sites :( really | Jul 18 21:21 |
| sebsebseb | except for Identica :) | Jul 18 21:22 |
| sebsebseb | and sure Last.fm is sort of one as well really and that's good :) | Jul 18 21:22 |
| sebsebseb | and I guess LibreFm is good as well :D | Jul 18 21:22 |
| DrPizza | sebsebseb: I'm sure it will, but at the moment it omits things that I find useful, so it's not so useful to me. | Jul 18 21:22 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: No it won't, Google+ will never improve...the only way is Microsoft.....We are beginning to see a pattern here.... | Jul 18 21:22 |
| DrPizza | ??? | Jul 18 21:22 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: What about PS3? | Jul 18 21:22 |
| DrPizza | PlayStation3? | Jul 18 21:22 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: only way is Microsoft for improveing stuff? | Jul 18 21:22 |
| _Goblin | yep | Jul 18 21:22 |
| sebsebseb | what? | Jul 18 21:22 |
| DrPizza | What about it? | Jul 18 21:22 |
| DrPizza | I don't have one. | Jul 18 21:23 |
| DrPizza | I don't really have any interest in owning one. | Jul 18 21:23 |
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| sebsebseb | _Goblin: you seem to be making a joke, but I am not picking up on the joke | Jul 18 21:23 |
| _Goblin | let me guess...... | Jul 18 21:23 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | _Goblin: you seem to be making a joke, but I am not picking up on the joke | Jul 18 21:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | let me guess...... | Jul 18 21:23 |
| _Goblin | youre a 360 man? | Jul 18 21:23 |
| DrPizza | Nope. | Jul 18 21:23 |
| _Goblin | good answer | Jul 18 21:23 |
| DrPizza | I haven't owned a games console since the N64. | Jul 18 21:23 |
| schestowitz | [21:15] <MinceR> i call it DumbFuckBook | Jul 18 21:23 |
| sebsebseb | anyway Microsoft do make sort of ok tech at times | Jul 18 21:23 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jul 18 21:23 |
| _Goblin | so what would you go for if you were looking for a family entertainment system for your front room. | Jul 18 21:23 |
| MinceR | to be fair, fuckerberg is to be credited with most of the name | Jul 18 21:24 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: A TV? | Jul 18 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Thanfully I'm not in this 'book' | Jul 18 21:24 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: good....thats a start.....and what console would you consider plugging into that aforementioned tv | Jul 18 21:24 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Google+ want you on it! | Jul 18 21:24 |
| sebsebseb | :D | Jul 18 21:24 |
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| sebsebseb | and MinceR as well | Jul 18 21:24 |
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| MinceR | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/09/14/damning-zuckerberg-i.html | Jul 18 21:24 |
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| DrPizza | _Goblin: I don't know, it depends on what they want to do with it. | Jul 18 21:25 |
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| DrPizza | Like, what games they want to play or what features they want. | Jul 18 21:25 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: Are you sure you are not a politician? | Jul 18 21:25 |
| sebsebseb | anyway Google+ is hype | Jul 18 21:25 |
| DrPizza | ??? | Jul 18 21:25 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: Ok. lets pin you down then. Whats the better home entertainment system in your view? | Jul 18 21:25 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: I don't know what answer you're looking for. | Jul 18 21:25 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: doesn't matter, i'm not signing up | Jul 18 21:25 |
| DrPizza | I don't know | Jul 18 21:25 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I nearly have, but | Jul 18 21:25 |
| DrPizza | I don't have any consoles. | Jul 18 21:25 |
| _Goblin | ok...then.... | Jul 18 21:26 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: now I got a reason not to a proper reason | Jul 18 21:26 |
| sebsebseb | or so it seems | Jul 18 21:26 |
| DrPizza | That should probably tlel you something about my opinion of consoles. | Jul 18 21:26 |
| MinceR | so do i | Jul 18 21:26 |
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| DrPizza | I mean I guess I would go for a Wii, because it's cheap, and Wii Bowling is pretty fun | Jul 18 21:26 |
| DrPizza | but I dunno. | Jul 18 21:26 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: anyway it's bad enough having Facebook, which I hardly use by the way :) so yeah I don't really need a Google+ | Jul 18 21:26 |
| _Goblin | Fair enough... | Jul 18 21:26 |
| DrPizza | Or if someone were a movie fan then I suppose a PS3. | Jul 18 21:26 |
| DrPizza | For Blu-ray support. | Jul 18 21:26 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: plus Google+ is yet another social networking site, where I am meant to be using my real name online hmm | Jul 18 21:26 |
| DrPizza | But none of these things are particularly important to me. | Jul 18 21:27 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: so much for privacy | Jul 18 21:27 |
| MinceR | it's bad enough being on iwiw for a while (but no more) | Jul 18 21:27 |
| sebsebseb | what's that? | Jul 18 21:28 |
| MinceR | hungarian social networking site | Jul 18 21:28 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Jul 18 21:28 |
| MinceR | started out independently, then got bought by deutsche telekom | Jul 18 21:28 |
| sebsebseb | ah ok | Jul 18 21:28 |
| MinceR | and whored out completely | Jul 18 21:28 |
| sebsebseb | ,but well I may get a Google+ eventually, not really interested as such though | Jul 18 21:28 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: I don't really udnerstand why you even started talking about PS3 all of a sudden | Jul 18 21:29 |
| _Goblin | sorry, just looking at a few things DrPizza , im more interested to see how diverse your opinions are. I would not like to dismiss you as Microsoft to the core until Ive at least examined what you write and how diverse you are. | Jul 18 21:30 |
| MinceR | he wanted to hear the official talking points about the suXbox 360 | Jul 18 21:30 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: I take my views from nobody but myself...however you hardly endear yourself to me when you seemingly dismiss anything non-Microsoft. Now whilst my opinions probably won't mean anything to you, whilst I am classed as a "Hater" my opinions seem far more diverse than yours....of course the "hater" allegation is not from you. | Jul 18 21:32 |
| DrPizza | What do I dismiss that's "non-Microsoft"? | Jul 18 21:32 |
| MinceR | WebM, Theora, Google+ | Jul 18 21:33 |
| MinceR | for example | Jul 18 21:33 |
| _Goblin | Well we've already seen that Diaspora, Google+ don't meet with your approval, when it was pointed out about WP7 and its shortcomming we went into a long debate....like I say though, I am reading your writings and making up my own mind. | Jul 18 21:33 |
| DrPizza | I didn't dismiss WebM or Google+. | Jul 18 21:33 |
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| MinceR | yes you did | Jul 18 21:33 |
| DrPizza | No, I didn't. | Jul 18 21:33 |
| _Goblin | yes you did | Jul 18 21:34 |
| DrPizza | Er, when? | Jul 18 21:34 |
| MinceR | what's more, the former is most likely already on the website. :> | Jul 18 21:34 |
| _Goblin | and you also dismissed Diaspora before its even gone to public beta. | Jul 18 21:34 |
| MinceR | that too | Jul 18 21:34 |
| DrPizza | I dismissed diaspora because I think it's solving a "problem" that for most people doesn't exist, in a way that most people don't want. | Jul 18 21:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @hook: Free Software and !law related links 11.VII.2011 - 18.VII.2011: http://is.gd/aqQjKi !FS → !FSFE | Jul 18 21:34 | |
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| DrPizza | Not because it's "non-Microsoft". | Jul 18 21:34 |
| _Goblin | what like Twitter did to facebook? Twitter became quite popular you know... | Jul 18 21:35 |
| _Goblin | same principle | Jul 18 21:35 |
| DrPizza | What did Twitter do to Facebook? | Jul 18 21:35 |
| _Goblin | nothing...but with facebooks popularity...Twitter still managed to hit the big time too. | Jul 18 21:35 |
| DrPizza | OK, and...? | Jul 18 21:36 |
| _Goblin | and really Twitter is far more hobbled than facebook in terms of scope | Jul 18 21:36 |
| MinceR | so, because most people aren't educated to know about a problem, it doesn't matter? | Jul 18 21:36 |
| DrPizza | Twitter is simply different. | Jul 18 21:36 |
| _Goblin | what Facebook didn't already offer the same features? | Jul 18 21:36 |
| MinceR | time to tell nuclear power plant operators about that little gem | Jul 18 21:36 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: If most people don't acknowledge that a problem exists, they're not going to seek out solutions to that problem. | Jul 18 21:36 |
| MinceR | so? | Jul 18 21:36 |
| _Goblin | Like you Wp7 and tethering analogy? | Jul 18 21:36 |
| _Goblin | ;) | Jul 18 21:36 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: precisely; most people don't care about tethering so they won't seek out platforms just because they can tether. | Jul 18 21:37 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: and no, Facebook doesn't actually offer the same features. | Jul 18 21:37 |
| _Goblin | Wall? | Jul 18 21:37 |
| DrPizza | Facebook relationships are reciprocated. | Jul 18 21:37 |
| DrPizza | Twitter relationships aren't. | Jul 18 21:37 |
| DrPizza | (Google+ relationships aren't, too; it's a kind of fusion between Facebook and Twitter) | Jul 18 21:38 |
| _Goblin | of course not, but surely with the facebook monster, twitter should never have taken off? | Jul 18 21:38 |
| DrPizza | Anyone can follow me on Twitter; only my friends can follow me on Facebook. | Jul 18 21:38 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: and I can set Twitter to the same thing | Jul 18 21:38 |
| DrPizza | You can, but most don't. | Jul 18 21:38 |
| DrPizza | Actually, that's a lie. | Jul 18 21:38 |
| DrPizza | You can't. | Jul 18 21:38 |
| DrPizza | You still can't set Twitter to be reciprocal. | Jul 18 21:38 |
| DrPizza | You can require consent before someone follows | Jul 18 21:38 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: but I can set it to be private. | Jul 18 21:39 |
| DrPizza | But it's still a one-way relationship. | Jul 18 21:39 |
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| DrPizza | _Goblin: Yes, but even if you let someone follow you, you don't automatically follow them back. | Jul 18 21:39 |
| DrPizza | Unlike Facebook, where if I am your friend, you are automatically my friend. | Jul 18 21:39 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @grote: #Antifeatures in der #Zeit http://is.gd/8LT0a9 (via @mako) !fsfe !FS !gnu | Jul 18 21:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] I have concluded that no one in #FLOSS understands my sense of humor. Maybe I should just use #OSX. | Jul 18 21:39 | |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: I believe you can set twitter that way | Jul 18 21:39 |
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| DrPizza | I don't believe you can. | Jul 18 21:40 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: most people don't think that's a problem. | Jul 18 21:40 |
| DrPizza | You could do it manually, if you wanted. | Jul 18 21:40 |
| MinceR | oh snap. | Jul 18 21:40 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: Oh but they do, insofar as most people seem to distinguish between "things they're telling the entire world and anyone who happens to be listening" (Twitter) and "things they're telling their circle of family and friends" (Facebook). | Jul 18 21:40 |
| DrPizza | Google+ tries to be somewhere in between. | Jul 18 21:41 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 18 21:41 |
| MinceR | yes, most people really are aware of whom they're sharing stuff with on DFB | Jul 18 21:41 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: Nope....you can on identi.ca not on twitter. | Jul 18 21:41 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: that's possible, I've not really looked at identi.ca much. But like I say, it's a significant difference between Facebook and Twitter. | Jul 18 21:42 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: I would disagree since we are talking average user expectations here.... | Jul 18 21:42 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: I think its ease of use and immediacy which attracted. | Jul 18 21:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @fontana ha! *that* was funny! :-) | Jul 18 21:43 | |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: Fundamentally for the average user they are one and the same.... | Jul 18 21:43 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: and don't many people pimp themselves out on facebook with no privacy settings?? | Jul 18 21:43 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: I'm not sure about that, there are lots of people I have on both, and they use them pretty differently. | Jul 18 21:43 |
| DrPizza | Some do | Jul 18 21:43 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: but then is that "average users" I would guess you use your facebook for personal and your twitter for more business or self promotion reasons. | Jul 18 21:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] @fontana would have been funnier if you said #Ubuntu. #cockadoodle | Jul 18 21:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Screencasting Stars of the Linux World (Linux.com) http://lwn.net/Articles/452036/rss | Jul 18 21:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @suhaib: @thistleweb Aaa! Aaa! 'Ooo! 'Ooo! Waa! Waa! :(I) ^_^ | Jul 18 21:44 | |
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| _Goblin | ok.... | Jul 18 21:45 |
| _Goblin | heres another..... | Jul 18 21:45 |
| _Goblin | Google or Bing and why? | Jul 18 21:45 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: It's not that clear-cut; there are certainly PR people and developers that I follow on Twitter that I don't have as friends on Facebook, because I don't know them. | Jul 18 21:45 |
| DrPizza | But I also have plenty of normal people on Twitter. | Jul 18 21:45 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: it depends on what I'm searching for. | Jul 18 21:45 |
| _Goblin | ok.... | Jul 18 21:46 |
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| DrPizza | General Web and images, I use Bing, because I enjoy the consistently high quality photographs on the front page. | Jul 18 21:46 |
| _Goblin | lets say........ 68k assembly language routines. | Jul 18 21:46 |
| DrPizza | Usenet and News I use Google. | Jul 18 21:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] RT @notmart http://blogs.hbr.org/bregman/2011/07/flexing-your-no-thanks-muscle.html | Jul 18 21:46 | |
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| _Goblin | why not bing | Jul 18 21:46 |
| _Goblin | ;) | Jul 18 21:46 |
| DrPizza | Google's news seems to be somewhat better | Jul 18 21:46 |
| _Goblin | ok. | Jul 18 21:46 |
| _Goblin | whats bing better at? | Jul 18 21:46 |
| DrPizza | and Google bought DejaNews and then has done nothing but fucking ruin it. | Jul 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz | +1 | Jul 18 21:47 |
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| DrPizza | _Goblin: Bing's image search I find works much better, and its Web search seems to be marginally less populated with content farms | Jul 18 21:47 |
| DrPizza | and online forums | Jul 18 21:47 |
| _Goblin | thats very diverse.... | Jul 18 21:48 |
| DrPizza | Sometimes for programming topics I'll switch to Google, because I'm actually interested inthe forum content | Jul 18 21:48 |
| _Goblin | what else is google good at (usenet aside) | Jul 18 21:48 |
| DrPizza | I don't really understand the question. | Jul 18 21:48 |
| DrPizza | Selling ads? | Jul 18 21:48 |
| _Goblin | Ok, let me rephrase the question..... | Jul 18 21:48 |
| _Goblin | What else do you use Google for instead of Bing? What else is Google good at/for? | Jul 18 21:49 |
| DrPizza | For searching? I don't. | Jul 18 21:49 |
| DrPizza | For general Web searching they're pretty evenly matched | Jul 18 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Bing has background images | Jul 18 21:49 |
| _Goblin | so you flip a coin? | Jul 18 21:49 |
| DrPizza | But Bing's homepage photography wins out. | Jul 18 21:49 |
| schestowitz | wins hands down | Jul 18 21:50 |
| DrPizza | they get some very nice pictures on their homepage | Jul 18 21:50 |
| _Goblin | right | Jul 18 21:50 |
| DrPizza | and since I don't generally see much difference in search results | Jul 18 21:50 |
| DrPizza | I go for the one that has the nice pictures | Jul 18 21:50 |
| _Goblin | Did you like Vista? | Jul 18 21:50 |
| schestowitz | it takes a lot of &d money to select wallpapers... and pr0n | Jul 18 21:50 |
| schestowitz | !google bing plays porn videos | Jul 18 21:50 |
| _Goblin | That looked nice. | Jul 18 21:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Edo Porn - Bing Videos | http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/edo-porn/17w9gbcf1 | Jul 18 21:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Deadliest Catch: Wave Porn - Bing Videos | http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/wave-porn/pkvnnjn%3Frel%3DMSN%26cpkey%3D2eb4d9cc-5e09-4040-b9d1-2211946ac374%257Cswamp%2520brothers%257CMSN%257C%257C | Jul 18 21:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Hooking Up: Porn, Liars, Sunglasses and G-spots - Bing Videos | http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/porn-liars-sunglasses-and-g-spots/17wjpwnyg | Jul 18 21:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft offers unworkable solution to Bing porn | Safe and ... | http://news.cnet.com/8301-19518_3-10258458-238.html | Jul 18 21:50 |
| _Goblin | Microsoft is good at making things look nice. | Jul 18 21:51 |
| MinceR | not really | Jul 18 21:51 |
| _Goblin | I know | Jul 18 21:51 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: actually vista looked pretty dumb, as does Windows 7. The thick, heavy glass borders are totally overwrought. | Jul 18 21:51 |
| DrPizza | Completely dumb tech demos. | Jul 18 21:51 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: true | Jul 18 21:51 |
| schestowitz | even patent deals | Jul 18 21:51 |
| MinceR | they've gone from fisher-price to lame kde4 imitation | Jul 18 21:51 |
| schestowitz | They take ugly extortion rackets | Jul 18 21:51 |
| schestowitz | And make PR announcements that make it look like amicable agreements | Jul 18 21:52 |
| DrPizza | Well, it looks better than Luna, I'll give it that. | Jul 18 21:52 |
| MinceR | they're also in love with inconsistent look and feel | Jul 18 21:52 |
| schestowitz | [21:51] <_Goblin> Microsoft is good at making things look nice. << and same for all the scandals | Jul 18 21:52 |
| schestowitz | !google "microsoft blames" | Jul 18 21:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft blames Windows Phone 7 data usage issue on unnamed 3rd party | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/01/microsoft-blames-windows-phone-7-data-usage-issue-on-unnamed-3rd-party.ars | Jul 18 21:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft blames Yahoo Mail for Windows Phone uploading bug | The ... | http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/2011/02/02/microsoft-blames-yahoo-mail-for-windows-phone-uploading-bug/ | Jul 18 21:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Microsoft blames server problem for Hotmail outage - Computerworld | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9203120/Microsoft_blames_server_problem_for_Hotmail_outage | Jul 18 21:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft Blames Google for the Suckiness of the YouTube App on ... | http://gizmodo.com/5788172/microsoft-blames-google-for-the-suckiness-of-the-youtube-app-on-windows-phone-7 | Jul 18 21:52 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: but then you are not really one to comment on aesthetics since it seems your preference of search engine comes down to pretty pictures. | Jul 18 21:52 |
| MinceR | he's like dubya | Jul 18 21:52 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: Given that the search results are basically equivalent, what criterion should I use if not the artwork? | Jul 18 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Google has better pictutes | Jul 18 21:53 |
| schestowitz | When searching for photos you look for relevance | Jul 18 21:53 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: no... | Jul 18 21:53 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: the homepage artwork | Jul 18 21:53 |
| schestowitz | If I search for "dog jumps" I want a bunch of dogs jumping, not many cute dogs | Jul 18 21:53 |
| DrPizza | For actual image search, I have found Bing to work quite a bit better. | Jul 18 21:53 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: We could go into the Bing/Google allegations but I think its quite predictable where your views are. In terms of relevance, why then are people not flocking from Google? After all Bing is the same, just with prettier pictures. | Jul 18 21:53 |
| DrPizza | YMMV. | Jul 18 21:54 |
| schestowitz | And when I search for images I use an Hungarian site , stock exchange | Jul 18 21:54 |
| schestowitz | for the licences | Jul 18 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Ars uses many photos from there, I notices... | Jul 18 21:54 |
| schestowitz | *Ced | Jul 18 21:54 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: homepage artwork | Jul 18 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Who enters search homepage? | Jul 18 21:54 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: Google is pretty solidly entrenched and meets the threshold of "good enough, no need to look for a replacement" for most people. | Jul 18 21:54 |
| schestowitz | you just use the toolbar | Jul 18 21:54 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: I never use the toolbar. | Jul 18 21:54 |
| schestowitz | people who have google set as homepage are people whom you install the "first computer" | Jul 18 21:55 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: As someone who appears (in my view) to actively promote Microsoft, you have no place to say "good enough, no need to look for a replacement" | Jul 18 21:55 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: What? | Jul 18 21:55 |
| schestowitz | *for | Jul 18 21:55 |
| _Goblin | thats been the problem for years. | Jul 18 21:55 |
| DrPizza | Why not/ | Jul 18 21:55 |
| _Goblin | Good enough, no need to look for replacement. | Jul 18 21:55 |
| DrPizza | People don't change their habits unless they have good reason to. | Jul 18 21:55 |
| _Goblin | and have the facility to. | Jul 18 21:55 |
| schestowitz | i like search toolbars, they let me navigate faster | Jul 18 21:55 |
| schestowitz | in konquerror I miss awesomebar | Jul 18 21:56 |
| _Goblin | How was desktop linux ever to compete with Microsoft? the money, the PR, the advocates, the MVP's? | Jul 18 21:56 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: by being better at things that are relevant to people. | Jul 18 21:56 |
| _Goblin | lol...come on..... | Jul 18 21:56 |
| MinceR | konqueror can do "gg:search string" and such, afaik | Jul 18 21:56 |
| _Goblin | youre telling me that you could fight Microsoft with a better product with virtually no budget for PR/Advertising? | Jul 18 21:57 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes | Jul 18 21:57 |
| schestowitz | but awesomebar is inclusive of hisgory and bookmarks | Jul 18 21:57 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 18 21:57 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: If it's better at things people actually want their operating system to do? | Jul 18 21:57 |
| cubezzz | cool, I didn't know about gg:search | Jul 18 21:57 |
| schestowitz | And it's smart at sorting them the way they should be when you forget what exactly you viisited before | Jul 18 21:57 |
| cubezzz | even works on ol' kde 3.5 | Jul 18 21:57 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: note that this doesn't include things like "is it open source", because clearly most desktop users don't give a damn. | Jul 18 21:57 |
| schestowitz | I want to get the full kde experience again | Jul 18 21:57 |
| schestowitz | now that ff annoys me I have the chance to do it again | Jul 18 21:58 |
| schestowitz | my swapfile doesn't thank me :-) | Jul 18 21:58 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: and how prey tell are you to overcome Windows being stuffed on virtually every new machine, marketted to users who have not the time and interest to look for alternatives? | Jul 18 21:58 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: there are others too, under Configure/Web Browsing/Web Shortcuts | Jul 18 21:58 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: you think an average user would install Linux over Windows that easily? | Jul 18 21:58 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: it's "people-ready" | Jul 18 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Geddit? | Jul 18 21:58 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: how come Internet Explorer's market share is tanking? | Jul 18 21:58 |
| schestowitz | !google microsoft paid bloggers people ready | Jul 18 21:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Blogger Ethics Questioned Over Microsoft Ad | http://www.betanews.com/article/Blogger-Ethics-Questioned-Over-Microsoft-Ad/1182798586 | Jul 18 21:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft pays star writers to recite slogan | http://gawker.com/valleywag/tech/spokesbloggers/microsoft-pays-star-writers-to-recite-slogan-271485.php | Jul 18 21:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Is New School a Synonym for Blogomercial? | Newsome.Org | http://www.newsome.org/2007/06/is-new-school-synonym-for-blogomercial/ | Jul 18 21:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Astroturfing Examples: Learning How Microsoft Tames the Internet ... | http://techrights.org/2007/11/23/astroturfing-microsoft-examples/ | Jul 18 21:58 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: Firefox. | Jul 18 21:58 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: Because Firefox and Chrome do a better job. | Jul 18 21:58 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: browser ballot | Jul 18 21:58 |
| DrPizza | lol | Jul 18 21:58 |
| DrPizza | nope | Jul 18 21:58 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: didn't think you would agree | Jul 18 21:59 |
| DrPizza | The browser ballot appears to be doing fuck all for one reason or another. | Jul 18 21:59 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: word of mouth played a part... | Jul 18 21:59 |
| DrPizza | Indeed. | Jul 18 21:59 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: but changing browser is very difference to changing your OS | Jul 18 21:59 |
| DrPizza | SAnd certainly in Chrome's case, Google's advertising power helps. | Jul 18 21:59 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: in the mindset of many | Jul 18 21:59 |
| cubezzz | most of my customers use firefox | Jul 18 21:59 |
| DrPizza | But it goes to show, it can be done. | Jul 18 21:59 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: I repeat, convincing someone to change browser is totally different to getting them changing their OS | Jul 18 22:00 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: yes, it's very different, the OS change is going to be more disruptive. | Jul 18 22:00 |
| DrPizza | But the fundamentals remain the same. | Jul 18 22:00 |
| _Goblin | No... | Jul 18 22:00 |
| DrPizza | Linux just has to do what mainstream desktop users want their OS to do, better. | Jul 18 22:00 |
| cubezzz | splashtop on tons of motherboards.... linux-based | Jul 18 22:00 |
| DrPizza | It has to solve problems that Windows doesn't solve | Jul 18 22:00 |
| _Goblin | it already does | Jul 18 22:00 |
| DrPizza | whilst not creating new problems | Jul 18 22:00 |
| cubezzz | even though people don't realize it | Jul 18 22:00 |
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| DrPizza | _Goblin: no, at best it just trades one set of problems for another. | Jul 18 22:01 |
| MinceR | finally i've found the quote i had in mind: "One of the great things about books is sometimes there are some fantastic pictures." | Jul 18 22:01 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: really....pray tell, let me in on these problems that Ive been experiencing. | Jul 18 22:01 |
| DrPizza | For example, I play many games. | Jul 18 22:01 |
| DrPizza | Those games won't run under linux. | Jul 18 22:01 |
| _Goblin | but no console? | Jul 18 22:01 |
| _Goblin | ok | Jul 18 22:01 |
| DrPizza | No, no console. | Jul 18 22:01 |
| _Goblin | so your a gamer... | Jul 18 22:01 |
| DrPizza | Why would I want a console? | Jul 18 22:02 |
| schestowitz | hi ThistleWeb | Jul 18 22:02 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: oh good question. | Jul 18 22:02 |
| *schestowitz has console in xterm | Jul 18 22:02 | |
| cubezzz | I like Amiga still | Jul 18 22:02 |
| *MinceR has at least 7 virtual consoles | Jul 18 22:02 | |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Jul 18 22:02 |
| ThistleWeb | hey | Jul 18 22:02 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: 7 rrods :-) | Jul 18 22:02 |
| MinceR | X is on the seventh | Jul 18 22:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Googleplus just ousted Facebook as mayor of Social Networks. #4sq | Jul 18 22:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] .@ShareableDesign on "Sharing For Art and Profit: Creative Commons Celebrates 'The Power of Open' " http://t.co/M0L29X0 #powerofopen | Jul 18 22:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] it's ten of the CoC & all's well - even town criers need to agree to CoC's these days, political correctness fone mad I tells ya | Jul 18 22:03 | |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: because a console offers users true plug in and play functionality.....no patches no batchfiles for wierd hardware configs, no running with reduced effects because you haven't got the latest specs....I could go on....Thats why in your local store theres far more room dedicated to consoles. | Jul 18 22:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Shareable: Sharing For Art and Profit: Creative Commons Celebrates 'The Power of Open' .::. Size~: 36.56 KB | Jul 18 22:03 |
| cubezzz | I got konsole with 10 tabs open | Jul 18 22:03 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: so it does more than ps3 :-) | Jul 18 22:03 |
| cubezzz | 6 different ssh sessions with colour coded tabs | Jul 18 22:03 |
| schestowitz | and more than xbox 60 bricks | Jul 18 22:03 |
| MinceR | i've got a konsole with 8 tabs open, and a few others | Jul 18 22:03 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: A console gives me more expensive games, with worse graphics, and worse controls. | Jul 18 22:03 |
| schestowitz | with the red rectum of death{tm} | Jul 18 22:03 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: batchfiles? What is this, 1992? | Jul 18 22:03 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: and keeping your PC spec'd to place the latest crysis is a valuable investment? | Jul 18 22:04 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: so why then are there console owners at all? | Jul 18 22:04 |
| DrPizza | I need a PC anyway. | Jul 18 22:04 |
| DrPizza | For work. | Jul 18 22:04 |
| DrPizza | And for software development and other things. | Jul 18 22:04 |
| _Goblin | right. | Jul 18 22:04 |
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| DrPizza | _Goblin: so the only difference between my PC that's caused by gaming is the video card. | Jul 18 22:05 |
| DrPizza | And the video card costs much less than a console. | Jul 18 22:05 |
| _Goblin | so you are a gamer, just not a console one. You think console games are expensive yet you are willing to keep ontop of upgrades (less you have to run games in a reduced mode)... | Jul 18 22:05 |
| DrPizza | So... | Jul 18 22:05 |
| _Goblin | *lest | Jul 18 22:05 |
| cubezzz | oh dear, still arguing... hrmm | Jul 18 22:05 |
| DrPizza | What do you mean "on top of upgrades"? | Jul 18 22:05 |
| DrPizza | I have a Core 2 Duo from 2006 | Jul 18 22:05 |
| DrPizza | and a Radeon 4830 from uhhh | Jul 18 22:06 |
| DrPizza | 2008 maybe? | Jul 18 22:06 |
| _Goblin | well you need pretty heft specs to run the latest games. | Jul 18 22:06 |
| cubezzz | heck, I still play msdos games | Jul 18 22:06 |
| cubezzz | I'm the retro guy though | Jul 18 22:06 |
| _Goblin | and in order to not have to run the latest games with compromises, I was under the impression that you needed to keep ontop of upgrades | Jul 18 22:06 |
| _Goblin | maybe the forums I read are all full of liars. | Jul 18 22:06 |
| cubezzz | even did some freedos programming recently | Jul 18 22:06 |
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| ThistleWeb | didn't crysis get burned with that? release a game nobody had the hardware to run, so few people bought it | Jul 18 22:07 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: so on your "rig" you can run Crysis without compromise? | Jul 18 22:07 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: I dunno, I don't have crysis. | Jul 18 22:07 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: at microsoft, google is like skype on Linux | Jul 18 22:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Call for Participation: Learning Resource Metadata Initiative technical Working Group http://goo.gl/Qiq1X #LRMI #schema #OER | Jul 18 22:08 | |
| schestowitz | They know they should not use it, but sometimes they do | Jul 18 22:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Call for Participation: Learning Resource Metadata Initiative technical Working Group - Creative Commons .::. Size~: 18.93 KB | Jul 18 22:08 |
| _Goblin | Ok.....thanks for taking the time to answer the questions DrPizza..... I think I'm just ready for my summary of your views.... | Jul 18 22:08 |
| _Goblin | I think I'll have a smoke first though. | Jul 18 22:09 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: smoking is bad for your health! :D | Jul 18 22:09 |
| cubezzz | _Gobin, regarding MikeOS I don't think it has networking or tcp/ip | Jul 18 22:12 |
| cubezzz | probably better to play around with Plan 9 | Jul 18 22:12 |
| schestowitz | what are the min. specs? | Jul 18 22:17 |
| cubezzz | or which one? | Jul 18 22:17 |
| cubezzz | for which one? | Jul 18 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Plan B (9) | Jul 18 22:17 |
| cubezzz | well it runs fine in 256 megs on a p2 400 mhz | Jul 18 22:17 |
| cubezzz | but that's all i've tried it on so far | Jul 18 22:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Evening !Identiverse | Jul 18 22:18 | |
| schestowitz | "all2all/y_stand.h:99: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ‘boolean’" | Jul 18 22:18 |
| schestowitz | does that error type ring a bell to anyone? | Jul 18 22:18 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: can you show the full line of code? | Jul 18 22:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @jwildeboer Googleplus just ousted Facebook as mayor of Social Networks. #4sq | Jul 18 22:21 | |
| cubezzz | this guy is saying windows 1.0 got it right | Jul 18 22:22 |
| cubezzz | o_0 | Jul 18 22:22 |
| schestowitz | it's just a declaration in a struct | Jul 18 22:22 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: no its not..... | Jul 18 22:22 |
| schestowitz | googling it shows different nature of errors | Jul 18 22:23 |
| schestowitz | iphone devstuff | Jul 18 22:23 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: yes, but what does it say, is it just "boolean somename;"? | Jul 18 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Jul 18 22:23 | |
| schestowitz | boolean visited; | Jul 18 22:23 |
| schestowitz | boolean split; | Jul 18 22:23 |
| DrPizza | same error on every line? | Jul 18 22:23 |
| _Goblin | ok.... I think Im ready, DrPizza I said I don't like to judge people off others opinion....so here goes.... | Jul 18 22:23 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: I think that it's complaining that it doesn't know the boolean typedef. | Jul 18 22:24 |
| schestowitz | every occurance of it | Jul 18 22:24 |
| schestowitz | i'm trying to make an executable through mex though | Jul 18 22:24 |
| schestowitz | it's not just a normal binaru and the compiler is proprietary | Jul 18 22:25 |
| cubezzz | Plan 9 requires >32 meg ram... so I guess 64 megs of ram would be OK | Jul 18 22:25 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: I would assume that a header should be creating a boolean typedef or #define | Jul 18 22:25 |
| DrPizza | oh hmm | Jul 18 22:25 |
| cubezzz | 300 megs of hard drive | Jul 18 22:25 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: do you still code cube stuff? | Jul 18 22:25 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: some people are saying it happens when using unnamed structs, which I thought was legal but maybe not | Jul 18 22:26 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, yes | Jul 18 22:26 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: but I think the missing typedef is more likely | Jul 18 22:26 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, there is even a forum for it :) | Jul 18 22:27 |
| cubezzz | http://cubezzz.dyndns.org/drupal | Jul 18 22:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Domain of the Cube Forum | Cube lovers returns .::. Size~: 23.37 KB | Jul 18 22:28 |
| ThistleWeb | cube lovers sounds like borg porn | Jul 18 22:28 |
| cubezzz | not my choice of name... it dates back to 1981 | Jul 18 22:28 |
| cubezzz | cube lovers != borg porn | Jul 18 22:29 |
| _Goblin | Ok...here goes for those interested in my views on DrPizza (please DrPizza this is just my summary, humour me) | Jul 18 22:31 |
| _Goblin | 1. You say WP7 doesn't need tethering yet we have established that not only it is something you want, but as highlighted here, many other people known to us personally want (including myself) | Jul 18 22:31 |
| _Goblin | .... | Jul 18 22:31 |
| _Goblin | 2. You have dismissed Google+ and Diaspora, Disapora notably because it offers nothing new (even though not yet in public beta) However you admit Bing and Google are virtually the same yet are happy to use Bing, where, it appears the only thing new is pretty pictures. | Jul 18 22:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] !Mageia http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/ | Jul 18 22:31 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mageia 2: release cycle, support and planning | Mageia Blog (English) .::. Size~: 32.46 KB | Jul 18 22:31 |
| _Goblin | .... | Jul 18 22:31 |
| _Goblin | 3. You say console gaming is expensive yet believe PC gaming isn't and seem to not consider that high specs of games are not going to need comprises on your hardware, even though you claim the consoles offer a poorer experience (in terms of GFX) updgrade costs to meet those game requirments that you may want to play in the future are not as expensive as buying a console. | Jul 18 22:31 |
| _Goblin | .... | Jul 18 22:31 |
| DrPizza | I said that "Google+" lacked features that I depend on in Facebook. | Jul 18 22:31 |
| _Goblin | Diaspora, I am making more note of... | Jul 18 22:32 |
| _Goblin | ..... | Jul 18 22:32 |
| DrPizza | I think that was pretty much the only thing I said about it. | Jul 18 22:32 |
| _Goblin | 4. You don't seem to think that the average user would have no hurdles to cross changing OS when they've so easily changed their browser, this was put to you since it was pointed out that if users a force fed Windows the "better product" will never get a change since it will have to compete with Microsoft PR/Advertising budget. | Jul 18 22:32 |
| DrPizza | If that's "dismissing" it, so be it. | Jul 18 22:32 |
| DrPizza | lol | Jul 18 22:32 |
| DrPizza | I said nothing of the sort. | Jul 18 22:32 |
| DrPizza | You're a complete liar. | Jul 18 22:32 |
| _Goblin | eh? | Jul 18 22:32 |
| _Goblin | don't be rude.... | Jul 18 22:32 |
| _Goblin | which point do you challenge lets discuss it | Jul 18 22:32 |
| _Goblin | I'm merely trying to get your viewpoint summarized for my own opinion on it. | Jul 18 22:32 |
| DrPizza | No you aren't. | Jul 18 22:33 |
| _Goblin | ok tell me.... | Jul 18 22:33 |
| _Goblin | what is unfair/wrong | Jul 18 22:33 |
| DrPizza | I know for a fact that the cost of equipping my PC for gaming is less than the cost of a console. | Jul 18 22:33 |
| _Goblin | then why say consoles were expensive (I believe that was about an hour ago) | Jul 18 22:33 |
| DrPizza | ???? | Jul 18 22:33 |
| _Goblin | let me have a look back.... | Jul 18 22:34 |
| _Goblin | lets clear this up | Jul 18 22:34 |
| DrPizza | If the cost of equipping my PC for gaming is less than the cost of a console that means that consoles cost more. | Jul 18 22:34 |
| DrPizza | Their games also cost more. | Jul 18 22:34 |
| DrPizza | If I used an Xbox 360, the cost of XBL Gold would also cost more. | Jul 18 22:34 |
| _Goblin | ok.... here we are: | Jul 18 22:35 |
| _Goblin | <DrPizza> _Goblin: A console gives me more expensive games, with worse graphics, and worse controls. | Jul 18 22:35 |
| DrPizza | Correct. | Jul 18 22:35 |
| _Goblin | right...then as I say...you think the cheaper solution is the PC | Jul 18 22:35 |
| _Goblin | Im not knocking your view...its your view. | Jul 18 22:35 |
| DrPizza | I think it is cheaper to equip the PC that I *already need to own and buy* for games than it is to buy the PC and a console. | Jul 18 22:35 |
| DrPizza | And you'll notice that I said more expensive *games*. | Jul 18 22:36 |
| _Goblin | ok...thats fine... | Jul 18 22:36 |
| _Goblin | games yes....so its cheaper for you to be a PC gamer... | Jul 18 22:36 |
| DrPizza | I think the PC wins on hardware too, because I need a PC anyway so it's just the cost of a GPU | Jul 18 22:36 |
| DrPizza | But the PC also has cheaper games, and compared to the XBox 360, cheaper online gaming. | Jul 18 22:36 |
| _Goblin | some might argue the more expensive titles would be ofset with the cost of PC upgrade, but thats your opinion. | Jul 18 22:36 |
| DrPizza | no | Jul 18 22:36 |
| DrPizza | because there's also the cost of the console itself. | Jul 18 22:37 |
| _Goblin | very true...about the cost of todays state of the art gfx card? maybe a little more? | Jul 18 22:37 |
| DrPizza | depends what you get | Jul 18 22:37 |
| _Goblin | and in a years time, whats that GFX cards status then? Cutting edge or yesterdays tech? | Jul 18 22:37 |
| DrPizza | who cares? | Jul 18 22:38 |
| DrPizza | Console GPUs aren't getting any better. | Jul 18 22:38 |
| _Goblin | well I'd suggest console owners do....thats why there are more of them. | Jul 18 22:38 |
| DrPizza | Obviously not. | Jul 18 22:38 |
| DrPizza | If they cared abotu cutting-edge tech they wouldn't buy consoles. | Jul 18 22:38 |
| _Goblin | what, not more console users? | Jul 18 22:38 |
| DrPizza | Since you can't get cutting-edge tech. | Jul 18 22:38 |
| _Goblin | agreed | Jul 18 22:38 |
| DrPizza | You claimed that they care about whether they're cutting edge or not | Jul 18 22:38 |
| DrPizza | That can't be true | Jul 18 22:38 |
| _Goblin | no... I was answering your previous point...you typed to quick | Jul 18 22:39 |
| _Goblin | "Console GPUs aren't getting any better." | Jul 18 22:39 |
| _Goblin | thats what I answered. | Jul 18 22:39 |
| DrPizza | But they're not getting any better. | Jul 18 22:39 |
| _Goblin | agreed | Jul 18 22:39 |
| DrPizza | So why do you think I need to continuously replace my GPU? | Jul 18 22:39 |
| _Goblin | well I was under the impression that specs for PC gaming increased at a rather fast rate, certainly by forums posts....the PS3 of a few years back is still the one today. | Jul 18 22:40 |
| DrPizza | My monitor is 1920x1200, that isn't changing. | Jul 18 22:40 |
| _Goblin | ok.....thats fine.... | Jul 18 22:40 |
| _Goblin | but what of my summary is lies which you claimed? | Jul 18 22:40 |
| DrPizza | So as long as the GPU is fast enough for 1920x1200 that's fine | Jul 18 22:41 |
| _Goblin | but what of my summary is lies which you claimed? | Jul 18 22:41 |
| _Goblin | I want to correct it. | Jul 18 22:41 |
| DrPizza | I didn't "dismiss" Google+. | Jul 18 22:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #DailyMail editor #PaulDacre 'never approved hacking' http://is.gd/UoAapb - not something you associate with them, ethics, cue the evidence | Jul 18 22:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Brooks also said the same, given that her #PR line was "I know nothing about how the stories in my newspaper get sourced" #PR #bullshit | Jul 18 22:41 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC News - Daily Mail editor Paul Dacre 'never approved hacking' .::. Size~: 66.31 KB | Jul 18 22:41 |
| _Goblin | right..... | Jul 18 22:41 |
| _Goblin | let me just have a look back | Jul 18 22:41 |
| DrPizza | I don't think you need "high specs" on a PC to have better-than-console graphics. | Jul 18 22:42 |
| DrPizza | You just need better-than-console specs. | Jul 18 22:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Just under 300 folks registered for the Community Leadershup Summit 2011 this weekend - http://ur1.ca/4qdtt - register and join us! #cls11 | Jul 18 22:43 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Community Leadership Summit | Attendees .::. Size~: 32.09 KB | Jul 18 22:43 |
| DrPizza | You know that the consoles generally can't manage 1080p graphics, right? | Jul 18 22:43 |
| DrPizza | they have to lower the resolution because their old GPUs can't cope? | Jul 18 22:43 |
| _Goblin | ok.... | Jul 18 22:44 |
| _Goblin | My cache is only as far as the console points....the logs roy does will show the rest, however one comment you made was this: "Google+ tries to be somewhere in between." and also your dismissal of Google+ was commented on by another user here in the last hour. | Jul 18 22:45 |
| _Goblin | But.... | Jul 18 22:45 |
| DrPizza | But Google+ does try to be somewhere in between. | Jul 18 22:45 |
| DrPizza | That's not dismissing it. | Jul 18 22:45 |
| _Goblin | For the time being then, lets remove the google+ part until the logs are read: | Jul 18 22:45 |
| _Goblin | 2. You have dismissed Diaspora, Disapora notably because it offers nothing new (even though not yet in public beta) However you admit Bing and Google are virtually the same yet are happy to use Bing, where, it appears the only thing new is pretty pictures. | Jul 18 22:46 |
| DrPizza | No, I dismiss diaspora because it doesn't solve a problem that most people have, and because it adds new problems all of its own own. | Jul 18 22:46 |
| _Goblin | so what does Bing solve? Peoples love of pretty pictures absent from Google? | Jul 18 22:46 |
| DrPizza | I also said that Bing was marginally less full of content farms, which is a slim improvement over Google. | Jul 18 22:47 |
| DrPizza | (or maybe I said that Google was marginally more full of content farms, the point is the same either way) | Jul 18 22:47 |
| _Goblin | but how do you know what diaspora offers? Are you part of the private beta? | Jul 18 22:47 |
| _Goblin | Let me help you DrPizza | Jul 18 22:48 |
| _Goblin | this is what you said: | Jul 18 22:48 |
| _Goblin | "Given that the search results are basically equivalent, what criterion should I use if not the artwork?" | Jul 18 22:48 |
| DrPizza | I said many things. | Jul 18 22:48 |
| DrPizza | I also mentioned content farms. | Jul 18 22:48 |
| _Goblin | That you do. | Jul 18 22:48 |
| DrPizza | As for Diaspora, Ryan's in the private beta. | Jul 18 22:49 |
| _Goblin | I think though (and you should understand this) | Jul 18 22:49 |
| DrPizza | The code's also available to install privately. | Jul 18 22:49 |
| _Goblin | the words "private" and "beta" can be quite relevant when the final product is realized. | Jul 18 22:49 |
| DrPizza | The server is private | Jul 18 22:49 |
| DrPizza | the source code is not | Jul 18 22:49 |
| _Goblin | so there is now a complete code freeze and no possibility of a future killer feature yet to be realized? | Jul 18 22:50 |
| _Goblin | WYSIWYG | Jul 18 22:50 |
| DrPizza | It's possible, it's just not likely. | Jul 18 22:50 |
| _Goblin | right. | Jul 18 22:50 |
| DrPizza | diaspora as it stands has no such feature | Jul 18 22:50 |
| _Goblin | you say not likely....I'd rather say....Lets see. | Jul 18 22:50 |
| _Goblin | In anycase for the person who said: | Jul 18 22:51 |
| _Goblin | "Given that the search results are basically equivalent, what criterion should I use if not the artwork?" | Jul 18 22:51 |
| DrPizza | I said "basically equivalent", I didn't say "identical". | Jul 18 22:51 |
| _Goblin | I'd rather think that it does had a chance. | Jul 18 22:51 |
| _Goblin | *have. | Jul 18 22:51 |
| DrPizza | You're welcome to your own wishful thinking. | Jul 18 22:51 |
| _Goblin | ok...So I've taken off the google+ opinion pending the logs, and you've re-affirmed your views.... | Jul 18 22:52 |
| _Goblin | would you like to appologize for "complete lies" comment to me? | Jul 18 22:52 |
| DrPizza | nope | Jul 18 22:52 |
| _Goblin | ok | Jul 18 22:52 |
| _Goblin | np | Jul 18 22:52 |
| DrPizza | your statements were simply not correct | Jul 18 22:53 |
| _Goblin | right..... | Jul 18 22:53 |
| _Goblin | so I've made up the comments you said that I used to formulate my opinion. | Jul 18 22:53 |
| _Goblin | thats fine. | Jul 18 22:53 |
| DrPizza | you haven't even made them up | Jul 18 22:53 |
| _Goblin | oh. | Jul 18 22:53 |
| DrPizza | you just retracted your lie about google+ because you couldn't make something up | Jul 18 22:54 |
| _Goblin | No, I retracted Google+ because its not in my cache. Having said that, another user seems to think you dismiss Google+ | Jul 18 22:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] RD @dbd Help warn people about YouTube rentals -- http://ur1.ca/4qcxr | Jul 18 22:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] HTML5 Battles still to be won – a talk at Open Web Camp III http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/07/html5-battles-still-to-be-won-a-talk-at-open-we | Jul 18 22:54 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Help warn people about YouTube Rentals | DefectiveByDesign.org .::. Size~: 16.56 KB | Jul 18 22:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: HTML5 Battles still to be won – a talk at Open Web Camp III ✩ Mozilla Hacks – the Web developer blog .::. Size~: 25.22 KB | Jul 18 22:54 |
| _Goblin | but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, because I can't see the logs until they are published. | Jul 18 22:54 |
| _Goblin | I think thats rather fair. | Jul 18 22:55 |
| _Goblin | I won't go off what the other user says until I can confirm or deny it myself (as I said I would do much earlier) | Jul 18 22:55 |
| _Goblin | So am I right in thinking then, the only issue you had was with Google+? | Jul 18 22:55 |
| DrPizza | If desktop Linux were actually better then people would change and it would be relatively easy for them to change | Jul 18 22:57 |
| _Goblin | I hope I can take that as a yes... It matters not anyway, its only my opinion.... I expect others will formulate their own in their own way. | Jul 18 22:57 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: let me tell you about easy. | Jul 18 22:57 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: My brother in law has a mental age of around 15. He has never held down a job for longer than about 8 months and is 27 years old. He got a battered old PC which he runs linux on doing his world wide wait tasks on..... | Jul 18 22:58 |
| DrPizza | Failing to see the relevance. | Jul 18 22:58 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: you know what distro he is using? Ubuntu -no | Jul 18 22:58 |
| _Goblin | Mint - No | Jul 18 22:58 |
| _Goblin | #!CBL | Jul 18 22:59 |
| _Goblin | and has never had any issues. | Jul 18 22:59 |
| DrPizza | Again, failing to see the relevance | Jul 18 22:59 |
| _Goblin | well.... | Jul 18 22:59 |
| _Goblin | it shows that the "change" is simple. | Jul 18 22:59 |
| _Goblin | he was a Windows user | Jul 18 22:59 |
| _Goblin | he has zero computer skill | Jul 18 22:59 |
| _Goblin | and yet he is not even running a distro that is traditionally seen as "newbie friendly" | Jul 18 23:00 |
| DrPizza | No, it really doesn't show that. | Jul 18 23:00 |
| _Goblin | How can change be implimented when you have the marketing monster of Microsoft? | Jul 18 23:00 |
| DrPizza | I don't need a "newbie friendly" distro, I've been using Linux for a good 15 years, but changing to Linux would still be a nightmare for me. | Jul 18 23:00 |
| DrPizza | Because it would be hard or impossible to use the programs that I want to use. | Jul 18 23:00 |
| _Goblin | and thats a very good point..... | Jul 18 23:01 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: found the issue, now running great | Jul 18 23:01 |
| _Goblin | but I put it to you that the average user doesn't have these "unique" programs that they require. | Jul 18 23:01 |
| _Goblin | the average user, uses the PC like a toaster. They want facebook, they want twitter, they want email. | Jul 18 23:01 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: what fixed it? | Jul 18 23:02 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: I'm not convinced that's true. They want to be able to run itunes, for example. | Jul 18 23:02 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: thats very true. I wonder what is the draw with Apple products? | Jul 18 23:02 |
| DrPizza | I have no idea, iTunes is wretched. | Jul 18 23:03 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: why has the expensive Mac got some dedicated happy users? | Jul 18 23:03 |
| DrPizza | But nonetheless, people want ot use it. | Jul 18 23:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] Mwahaha, primeros pasitos para pulir unos detallitos en Dolphin, iniciados :D | Jul 18 23:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] if you're looking for some Javascript to embed videos in Free formats in web pages, @lincoln released http://ur1.ca/4qdzx under AGPLv3 | Jul 18 23:03 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting application/javascript type | Jul 18 23:03 |
| _Goblin | I'd suggest with Apple its able to compete marketing wise with Microsoft and when people are given the opportunity to change they do. | Jul 18 23:03 |
| _Goblin | that and the fact that Apple has managed to make geek trendy | Jul 18 23:03 |
| _Goblin | the apple logo is desirable. | Jul 18 23:04 |
| _Goblin | who on earth would want a Microsoft logo sticking out of their back pocket? | Jul 18 23:04 |
| schestowitz | !google apple brand value | Jul 18 23:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Apple Brand Value at $153 Billion Overtakes Google for Top Spot ... | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-09/apple-brand-value-at-153-billion-overtakes-google-for-top-spot.html | Jul 18 23:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Apple Brand Value at $153 Billion Overtakes Google for Top Spot ... | http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-05-09/apple-brand-value-at-153-billion-overtakes-google-for-top-spot.html | Jul 18 23:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Google & Apple common brand values | http://www.slideshare.net/korhan/google-apple-common-brand-values-presentation | Jul 18 23:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Apple's brand value hits $153B, lands top spot ahead of Google ... | http://venturebeat.com/2011/05/09/apple-brand-value-153b/ | Jul 18 23:04 |
| _Goblin | Mind you its a good crime prevention deterrent........ | Jul 18 23:05 |
| DrPizza | Most people given the opportunity to change don't, in fact, change. | Jul 18 23:05 |
| DrPizza | In spite of Apple's greater marketing reach. | Jul 18 23:05 |
| _Goblin | WP7 - "Even robbers don't want it" | Jul 18 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Apple could split the company into badging and litigation | Jul 18 23:05 |
| schestowitz | the latter part will sue competitors and push for embargoes | Jul 18 23:05 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: So when why do we see so many Macs about nowadays? On the train, in cafes...in the hands of "average users" why has the apple stores been a hit? | Jul 18 23:06 |
| schestowitz | the former will use those same factories (never mind suicides) to make stuff for Apple to stick its stamp onto | Jul 18 23:06 |
| _Goblin | my wife even has one. | Jul 18 23:06 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: Their market share has barely changed; it's gone up a little, but not by much. | Jul 18 23:06 |
| _Goblin | thats not what I am seeing. | Jul 18 23:06 |
| schestowitz | wp7: BP can use it to plug oceanhles | Jul 18 23:07 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: then look at some actual market share figures | Jul 18 23:07 |
| _Goblin | already done.....the kin did that. | Jul 18 23:07 |
| schestowitz | vause the kins are out | Jul 18 23:07 |
| schestowitz | all 10k of them (unsold) | Jul 18 23:07 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: you know? Real data, not just pointless ancedotes. | Jul 18 23:07 |
| DrPizza | anecdotes* | Jul 18 23:07 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: I hold little faith in stats.......if I did & you did, surely the stats would have you agreeing with me that the WP7 has failed? | Jul 18 23:08 |
| schestowitz | real data: | Jul 18 23:08 |
| _Goblin | 550,000 android activations.... | Jul 18 23:08 |
| schestowitz | apple has 4% of the market | Jul 18 23:08 |
| _Goblin | a day | Jul 18 23:08 |
| schestowitz | mac os x | Jul 18 23:08 |
| _Goblin | allegedly. | Jul 18 23:08 |
| schestowitz | only 4% of glocal pc sales | Jul 18 23:08 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: What do you mean, "failed"? It's an on-going project. It's not over yet. Not by far. | Jul 18 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Linux probably has greater installedbase intlly | Jul 18 23:08 |
| schestowitz | today i bought a secondary box | Jul 18 23:09 |
| schestowitz | they are all sold with puppy linux | Jul 18 23:09 |
| schestowitz | and openoffice | Jul 18 23:09 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: and the big draw in the face of 550,000 a day activations of Android is..........? | Jul 18 23:09 |
| schestowitz | peinstalled | Jul 18 23:09 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: better user experience, mainly. | Jul 18 23:09 |
| DrPizza | Better Facebook integration, for example. | Jul 18 23:09 |
| DrPizza | Better mail client. | Jul 18 23:09 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: unless you want to tether of course. | Jul 18 23:09 |
| DrPizza | yes, unless you're the minority who wants to tether. | Jul 18 23:09 |
| schestowitz | some people don't know what it is... | Jul 18 23:10 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: and I fail to see whats better about the WP7 client than my android one....go on...sell it to me. | Jul 18 23:10 |
| schestowitz | cause they use wp7 :-) | Jul 18 23:10 |
| _Goblin | lol | Jul 18 23:10 |
| schestowitz | it's a reverse problem | Jul 18 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Charlie doesn't like peas | Jul 18 23:10 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: I have no interest in selling it to you. I'm not paid to do so; why would I want to? | Jul 18 23:10 |
| schestowitz | he never tried peas | Jul 18 23:10 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: come on its a figure of speech.....tell me why its better then. | Jul 18 23:10 |
| MinceR | gn | Jul 18 23:11 |
| schestowitz | nn | Jul 18 23:11 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: I already reviewed it; you can read that | Jul 18 23:11 |
| DrPizza | You can probably find the review with googel. | Jul 18 23:11 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: remember when Microsoft said people didn't want copy and paste? | Jul 18 23:11 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Jul 18 23:11 |
| schestowitz | gotta love Steve's company | Jul 18 23:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @dbd: Help warn people about YouTube rentals -- http://ur1.ca/4qcxr #dbd #fsf #gnu // -1, DRM is Against-You--Tube! | Jul 18 23:11 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Help warn people about YouTube Rentals | DefectiveByDesign.org .::. Size~: 16.56 KB | Jul 18 23:11 |
| _Goblin | so whats it now? People don't want to tether..... | Jul 18 23:11 |
| schestowitz | That old fart still uses Excel as his diary | Jul 18 23:11 |
| schestowitz | He said so... | Jul 18 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he uses Word to produce toilet paper through the printer, to | Jul 18 23:11 |
| schestowitz | *too | Jul 18 23:11 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: a quick one line answer would have done. | Jul 18 23:11 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: Did they actually say that? Or did they say that most copy/paste scenarios didn't actually need copy/paste? | Jul 18 23:11 |
| _Goblin | I'll find you a link..... | Jul 18 23:12 |
| _Goblin | you've already called me a liar once......very unfairly....I'll link you instead. | Jul 18 23:12 |
| DrPizza | it wasn't unfair; you said something that was untrue. | Jul 18 23:12 |
| _Goblin | thats why I asked you to correct anything you thought unfair....and I did. Despite what others said, I removed the Google+ part pending the logs. | Jul 18 23:14 |
| _Goblin | When Ive sourced the material from this channel it can hardly be unfair. Ive repeatedly said its my view and given you the option to challenge. There was no need for rudeness....anyway....I'll just get you the link. | Jul 18 23:15 |
| _Goblin | Right...here we go... | Jul 18 23:17 |
| _Goblin | From 2010 (March I think) | Jul 18 23:18 |
| _Goblin | From Engadget "Microsoft says leaving clipboard operations out was a conscious design decision based on user research showing that people don't actually use copy and paste very often, and that instead 7 Series features a systemwide data detection service which recognizes things like phone numbers and addresses so you can take action on them." | Jul 18 23:18 |
| DrPizza | Can we get Microsoft's words, rather than Engadget's? | Jul 18 23:18 |
| schestowitz | right.. | Jul 18 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Let's check Arse technica for Microsofgt's words :-) | Jul 18 23:19 |
| schestowitz | He loves quoting their talking points, e.g. re MPEG formats | Jul 18 23:19 |
| schestowitz | cause Microsoft always says the truth, right? | Jul 18 23:20 |
| schestowitz | No omissions | Jul 18 23:20 |
| schestowitz | PR does not exist in MSFT | Jul 18 23:20 |
| schestowitz | and Novell too | Jul 18 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Only the truth | Jul 18 23:20 |
| schestowitz | we should ignore writers | Jul 18 23:20 |
| schestowitz | And trust PR staff | Jul 18 23:20 |
| DrPizza | um | Jul 18 23:20 |
| schestowitz | paid and wrapped up by a nice wage from $employer | Jul 18 23:20 |
| DrPizza | _goblin is claiming that Microsoft held a particular position. | Jul 18 23:20 |
| schestowitz | paid to say TheTruth | Jul 18 23:21 |
| schestowitz | The reason we need news sites is to substitute PR | Jul 18 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Not echo PE | Jul 18 23:21 |
| schestowitz | PR | Jul 18 23:21 |
| DrPizza | Isn't it reasonable to get an actual quote from Microsoft? | Jul 18 23:21 |
| _Goblin | hang fire....got some more | Jul 18 23:21 |
| schestowitz | PR's role is to manipulate or shape the news | Jul 18 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Techrights and Groklaw are sites that don't bend this way | Jul 18 23:21 |
| DrPizza | there's plenty of manipulation going on at techrights | Jul 18 23:21 |
| schestowitz | They start raw and check the evidence without 'help' from PR people | Jul 18 23:21 |
| DrPizza | fortunatebly, nobody heeds it | Jul 18 23:21 |
| _Goblin | Oh this is priceless: | Jul 18 23:22 |
| schestowitz | or 'buddies' or Jo Foley said Microsoft calls them | Jul 18 23:22 |
| _Goblin | ""We don't enable copy and paste and we do that very intentionally," Windows Phone executive Todd Brix said in an interview. | Jul 18 23:22 |
| _Goblin | Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20000585-56.html#ixzz1SUwszsxe | Jul 18 23:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Windows Phone forgets how to copy and paste | Beyond Binary - CNET News .::. Size~: 176.5 KB | Jul 18 23:22 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: more than your site | Jul 18 23:22 |
| _Goblin | and heres the icing on the cake | Jul 18 23:22 |
| schestowitz | peter, what's your site? | Jul 18 23:22 |
| _Goblin | "It's actually an intentional design decision," he said. "We try to anticipate what the user wants so copy and paste isn't necessary." | Jul 18 23:22 |
| _Goblin | Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20000585-56.html#ixzz1SUx97vh4 | Jul 18 23:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Windows Phone forgets how to copy and paste | Beyond Binary - CNET News .::. Size~: 176.06 KB | Jul 18 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I'm not asking about some podium handed down to you a couple of years ago so that you produce "content" for someone else | Jul 18 23:22 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: interesting | Jul 18 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Techrights, to your regret, does appeal to many readers | Jul 18 23:23 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: that is much more forceful than their later statements, I didn't know they were so strident about it | Jul 18 23:23 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: show some respect ;) microsoft was just telling you, you don't want copy and paste.....its rude to interupt! ;) | Jul 18 23:23 |
| schestowitz | [23:22] <_Goblin> "It's actually an intentional design decision," he said. | Jul 18 23:23 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jul 18 23:23 |
| schestowitz | "IT WOULD CONFUSE THE USER!!" | Jul 18 23:24 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: I do | Jul 18 23:24 |
| schestowitz | no copy and paste!! | Jul 18 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Talk of self-convincing.. | Jul 18 23:24 |
| schestowitz | So.. | Jul 18 23:24 |
| Snit | A bit off topic: but Roy and Goblin - any news as to a date? | Jul 18 23:24 |
| schestowitz | eventually they did imp,ement that | Jul 18 23:24 |
| Snit | Next week is a bit crazy for me | Jul 18 23:24 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: because Microsoft has managed to damage freedom of choice in the past, exactly what I was explaining to you with the OS point. | Jul 18 23:24 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: they changed later; before it even launched they promised that the very first update would provide copy and paste | Jul 18 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Did they decide the "intentional design decision" was an unsound decision? | Jul 18 23:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] ForgeRock would like to buy you a drink at OSCON! http://wmk.me/omDloD | Jul 18 23:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] Interview with @warp -- http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/interview-with-musicbrainz-developer-kuno-woudt -- !fsf !gnu !lp | Jul 18 23:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] Interview with @warp -- http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/interview-with-musicbrainz-developer-kuno-woudt -- !fsf !gnu !lp | Jul 18 23:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] We are excited to bring a much-missed item back to the FSF shop: hooded sweatshirts! -- http://ur1.ca/4qe3w !gnu !lp !fsf | Jul 18 23:24 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Drinks With ForgeRock at OSCON « Wild Webmink .::. Size~: 58.79 KB | Jul 18 23:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Interview with MusicBrainz developer Kuno Woudt — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software .::. Size~: 22.99 KB | Jul 18 23:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Interview with MusicBrainz developer Kuno Woudt — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software .::. Size~: 22.99 KB | Jul 18 23:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Two new hoodies available in the FSF store — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software .::. Size~: 23.59 KB | Jul 18 23:24 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: the better product does not win out...its the product with the most money behind it, to the detriment of the end user. | Jul 18 23:25 |
| DrPizza | nonsense | Jul 18 23:25 |
| DrPizza | why is IE market share tanking/ | Jul 18 23:25 |
| schestowitz | it's not your fault | Jul 18 23:25 |
| schestowitz | IE had cancer | Jul 18 23:25 |
| schestowitz | it goes on to "a better place" | Jul 18 23:25 |
| _Goblin | Don't go there.. word of mouth...and harmless trial for the end user...you can have firefox and IE on the same machine...if it doesn't work out, theres no "risk" | Jul 18 23:26 |
| schestowitz | anyhoo.. | Jul 18 23:26 |
| schestowitz | I'm all chipper now... the program finally works | Jul 18 23:26 |
| _Goblin | an OS...the foundation of your PC is where the real damage is done. | Jul 18 23:26 |
| _Goblin | you are telling me an average Vista user would try themselves to install an alternative? | Jul 18 23:26 |
| _Goblin | they may try a browser | Jul 18 23:26 |
| _Goblin | but an OS? | Jul 18 23:27 |
| schestowitz | alternative: maxthon | Jul 18 23:27 |
| schestowitz | windows xp | Jul 18 23:27 |
| schestowitz | see? | Jul 18 23:27 |
| schestowitz | You have choice? | Jul 18 23:27 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: The question is, did Vista work? | Jul 18 23:27 |
| schestowitz | You can run IE canvas in another program | Jul 18 23:27 |
| schestowitz | or chose windows versions and editions | Jul 18 23:27 |
| DrPizza | If it didn't, they'd have no choice but to install an alternative | Jul 18 23:27 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: yes, but to the detriment of the computing experience of many. | Jul 18 23:27 |
| schestowitz | to hell with EU COmmissioin... Microsoft gives a LOT of choice | Jul 18 23:27 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: its what stopped me dual booting and switching to Linux 100% | Jul 18 23:28 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: then why did they not change? If as you claim most people don't have software that they need to run, why didn't they all buy Macs? | Jul 18 23:28 |
| DrPizza | or use linux. | Jul 18 23:28 |
| schestowitz | macs? | Jul 18 23:28 |
| DrPizza | you say most people just do facebook and e-mail | Jul 18 23:28 |
| schestowitz | It's a PC | Jul 18 23:28 |
| DrPizza | surely you can do that in Linux or Mac OS X? | Jul 18 23:28 |
| schestowitz | With a BSD variant that is made up from proprietary user-hostile wares | Jul 18 23:28 |
| Snit | User hostile? | Jul 18 23:29 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: because for the average user an new OS would not be an option....an OS which is not pimped on tv, an OS which is FUD'd about as being complex or for l337....those reasons alone. | Jul 18 23:29 |
| schestowitz | the quetion is, why doesn't the commision break up OEM kickbacks | Jul 18 23:29 |
| schestowitz | There is strong evidence of collusion | Jul 18 23:29 |
| Snit | WTF? No, Macs are anything but user-hostile | Jul 18 23:29 |
| schestowitz | And the regulators ought to have intervened long ago | Jul 18 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Snit: yes, user-hostile | Jul 18 23:29 |
| schestowitz | anifeatures | Jul 18 23:29 |
| Snit | Heck, know someone else who bought her first one yesterday. So far she is loving it… though there is a culture shock | Jul 18 23:29 |
| schestowitz | !google anifeatures | Jul 18 23:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Bill Plympton Studio | http://www.plymptoons.com/biography/anifeatures.html | Jul 18 23:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - $SAVE$ Nortel Norstar Voicemail,Call Pilot 100, Call Pilot 150 ... | http://www.tele-movers.com/voicemail_norstar.htm | Jul 18 23:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - IC-F3161T/S, IC-F4161T/S (FM Approved version) | Products | Icom Inc | http://www.icom.co.jp/world/products/land_mobile/handheld/ic-f3161fm/ | Jul 18 23:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Downloads - Beirut Marathon Association | http://www.beirutmarathon.org/downloads | Jul 18 23:29 |
| _Goblin | and that comes to my next point....when a company with a solid machine and an ad budget come along, people are more willing to switch. | Jul 18 23:29 |
| schestowitz | !google antifeatures | Jul 18 23:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Antifeatures — Free Software Foundation — working together for ... | http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/antifeatures | Jul 18 23:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Antifeatures - WikiDotMako | http://wiki.mako.cc/Antifeatures | Jul 18 23:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Damaged good - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damaged_good | Jul 18 23:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Antifeatures: deliberate, expensive product features that no ... | http://boingboing.net/2011/02/05/antifeatures-deliber.html | Jul 18 23:29 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: you think that RedHat, or IBM, or anyone else doesn't have a marketing budget? | Jul 18 23:29 |
| DrPizza | Or Dell | Jul 18 23:29 |
| DrPizza | Or whoever. | Jul 18 23:29 |
| DrPizza | You htink they couldn't market Linux PCs/ | Jul 18 23:30 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: and they are marketted to the mainstream user how/where? | Jul 18 23:30 |
| DrPizza | say "hey vista sucks, use Linux instead"? | Jul 18 23:30 |
| Snit | Roy: define how you are using the term "user-hostile"? Seems double talk since most people see Macs as more user *friendly* | Jul 18 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Snit: Apple is not a "culture", it's a brnd | Jul 18 23:30 |
| schestowitz | some people build little cults or guilds around this brand | Jul 18 23:30 |
| DrPizza | Snit: I imagine that because it's not all GPLed, it's "user hostile" | Jul 18 23:30 |
| Snit | Roy: it is a metaphor. There is a "shock" when moving Windows <—> Mac <—> Desktop Linux | Jul 18 23:31 |
| schestowitz | no | Jul 18 23:31 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: follow the link | Jul 18 23:31 |
| schestowitz | to antifeatures pages | Jul 18 23:31 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: well how come I support Apple and think their products great? I don't consider them hostile. Stop making opinion for people you don't know. | Jul 18 23:31 |
| schestowitz | they will explain what I meant | Jul 18 23:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fabsh when's the next rant? | Jul 18 23:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Who would you like to see in one of our new FSF hoodies? http://ur1.ca/4qe3w -- I'm hoping to see @bkuhn @webmink and @evan. | Jul 18 23:31 | |
| Snit | Wait: what link:? | Jul 18 23:31 |
| schestowitz | the FSF has just announced a new campaign | Jul 18 23:31 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: I don't know. How come you do? You tell me. Or better; don't, I don't actually care why you use Macs. | Jul 18 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Minites ago, mails sent out from defective by design | Jul 18 23:31 |
| schestowitz | it's about youtube rentals | Jul 18 23:32 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: I don't use Macs...my wife does....For someone who allegedly a professional you are very rude. | Jul 18 23:32 |
| Snit | Well, can you just given an example or two of how the Mac I am on - an iMac - is hostile toward me? You know… in a way a Windows machine or Linux machine would not be. | Jul 18 23:32 |
| schestowitz | !google mac os x drm built in | Jul 18 23:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL | Jul 18 23:33 |
| Snit | Roy: I really would love to know what you mean. Not even saying you are wrong… just seems weird that what is generally considered the most user-friendly desktop environment would be deemed "user hostile" by you. | Jul 18 23:33 |
| Snit | LOL! | Jul 18 23:33 |
| schestowitz | !google mac os x drm built in | Jul 18 23:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Is DRM in Mac OS X Anything to Fear? | http://lowendmac.com/musings/08mm/apple-mac-os-x-drm.html | Jul 18 23:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Nullriver Software : Products : Connect360 | http://www.nullriver.com/products/connect360 | Jul 18 23:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Technical Note TN1103: Uniquely Identifying a Macintosh Computer | http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/%23technotes/tn/tn1103.html%2523TNTAG6 | Jul 18 23:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - DRM Converter for Mac, Convert protected iTunes music on Mac | http://www.allmediacopy.com/drm-converter-for-mac.html | Jul 18 23:33 |
| Snit | Now *that* is user hostile | Jul 18 23:33 |
| Snit | Which link? | Jul 18 23:33 |
| Snit | There are four there. | Jul 18 23:33 |
| schestowitz | these are not relevant results | Jul 18 23:34 |
| schestowitz | there were articles 3 years ago | Jul 18 23:34 |
| schestowitz | I don't feel like wasting time finding them for you ATM | Jul 18 23:34 |
| schestowitz | it's almost midnight here | Jul 18 23:34 |
| Snit | Wait: so why post irrelevant results? That is "user hostile". | Jul 18 23:34 |
| Snit | Well, you made the comment… so surely you can give an example or two. Right? | Jul 18 23:34 |
| DrPizza | Snit: I think his view is probably that any kind of DRM support is "user hostile", regardless of whether it actually harms the user's experience. | Jul 18 23:35 |
| Snit | I mean I think the Mac is very user friendly - but maybe you mean some of the quirks and oddities where it does not do things as well as Windows / Ubuntu (and the like). | Jul 18 23:35 |
| _Goblin | I personally end on this..... The reason why I think Apple are doing well is that they are introducing the idea of choice to the end-user. For too long people have been led to believe PC=Microsoft..... Like Firefox did with the browser, Apple are doing with the PC, diversity in the market place however its presented is great. Whats not great is when one company has a overwhelming domination. DRM is harmful on any platform its o | Jul 18 23:36 |
| _Goblin | n....DRM itself is def hostile....we've seen that in the past... | Jul 18 23:36 |
| Snit | Apple pushed the music industry to get rid of DRM. They have done more to remove DRM than any other company. | Jul 18 23:36 |
| Snit | So what the heck is Roy talking about? Sounds like he is spewing a buzz-word hoping there will be meaning to… someone. But who? | Jul 18 23:36 |
| _Goblin | DRM is not the remit of just Apple....infact macrovision was around many years before digital media | Jul 18 23:37 |
| DrPizza | Snit: Actually, I think it's the other way around; the music industry pushed Apple to get rid of DRM. You'll note that other online resellers (e.g. Amazon) didn't use DRM even for big-name labels even before iTunes dropped its DRM. | Jul 18 23:37 |
| DrPizza | While I think the labels wanted the DRM _to start with_. | Jul 18 23:37 |
| DrPizza | I think they then changed their mind _before Apple_. | Jul 18 23:37 |
| Snit | Apple made public letters to the media companies asking them to get rid of DRM. | Jul 18 23:38 |
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| DrPizza | Snit: Apple also forced labels to use DRM even when they didn't want to; actions speak louder than words. | Jul 18 23:38 |
| Snit | DrPizza: when? Can you document this? | Jul 18 23:39 |
| _Goblin | But then Apple products offer a user experience which many people think is great....I can't argue with my wife who loves her mac to bits. | Jul 18 23:39 |
| DrPizza | Snit: hm, maybe, if I can find the complaints | Jul 18 23:39 |
| Snit | Here is a copy of the letter I referenced: http://www.apple.com/de/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/ | Jul 18 23:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Apple - Thoughts on Music .::. Size~: 16.76 KB | Jul 18 23:40 |
| Snit | "When Apple approached these companies to license their music to distribute legally over the Internet, they were extremely cautious and required Apple to protect their music from being illegally copied. The solution was to create a DRM system, which envelopes each song purchased from the iTunes store in special and secret software so that it cannot be played on unauthorized devices." | Jul 18 23:41 |
| Snit | "Why would the big four music companies agree to let Apple and others distribute their music without using DRM systems to protect it? The simplest answer is because DRMs haven’t worked, and may never work, to halt music piracy." | Jul 18 23:41 |
| DrPizza | Snit: I don't dispute that the labels were the major proponents of DRM initially. | Jul 18 23:41 |
| Snit | DRM, at least for music, does *nothing* to benefit Apple. They have always been against that - at least since the iTunes store has been around. They pushed for the most open DRM setup at the time and then pushed to have it fully removed. Which it is. | Jul 18 23:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] !Mageia !GNU !Linux http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/ | Jul 18 23:43 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mageia 2: release cycle, support and planning | Mageia Blog (English) .::. Size~: 32.46 KB | Jul 18 23:43 |
| Snit | From what I understand (and what makes sense) the same is true for the video industry. | Jul 18 23:43 |
| DrPizza | Snit: DRM does a lot to benefit Apple; AACPlus tracks only play on Apple's own hardware, so during the MP3 player boom, it provided lock-in. | Jul 18 23:43 |
| DrPizza | valuable lock-in | Jul 18 23:44 |
| Snit | Even with software, to be on the App Store you need to allow a very open licensing policy where people can install the software on all of their computer. | Jul 18 23:44 |
| DrPizza | since people wouldn't abandon their purchased tracks | Jul 18 23:44 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza seems to have founds a fan in the libellous, thief, pro-Microsoft scum Gary Stewart... http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/a985697c8b5029dc/6c23c67ed913b952 | Jul 18 23:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Roy Schestowitz Loses Debate To a Pizza...... - comp.os.linux.advocacy | Google Groups .::. Size~: 111.75 KB | Jul 18 23:44 |
| Snit | The DRM was a condition required by the labels. | Jul 18 23:44 |
| DrPizza | Snit: Music published by Nettwerk was available on eMusic DRM-free but had DRM on iTunes | Jul 18 23:44 |
| Snit | Apple publicly worked against it. And even then you could burn your own DRM free CDs | Jul 18 23:45 |
| DrPizza | Snit: and if I can find a link, you can find Nettwerk execs saying that Apple gave them no choice | Jul 18 23:45 |
| Snit | Would love to see it | Jul 18 23:45 |
| Snit | As I have shown, Apple even went to the rather odd event of making a public letter to end DRM. And this is once they had a lot of influence in the industry. | Jul 18 23:46 |
| Snit | And it worked. | Jul 18 23:46 |
| Snit | I believe all of iTunes is now DRM free. | Jul 18 23:46 |
| Snit | But none of this answers what Roy meant by "user hostile". I think he has been busted using made-up derogatory buzzwords to denigrate the opposition. | Jul 18 23:47 |
| Snit | He simply cannot think of a single example. | Jul 18 23:47 |
| schestowitz | around 2008 it was revealed that OS X was riddled with DRM | Jul 18 23:47 |
| MinceR | still is | Jul 18 23:47 |
| Snit | Such as...??? | Jul 18 23:47 |
| schestowitz | And more so in to-come version of Snot Tiger and such stuff.. | Jul 18 23:47 |
| MinceR | even the executable format itself supports drm | Jul 18 23:47 |
| Snit | You mean for the Mac OS? | Jul 18 23:47 |
| MinceR | but i'm sure the labels campaigned for that too | Jul 18 23:48 |
| Snit | So? | Jul 18 23:48 |
| schestowitz | But you can find it easily on the Web | Jul 18 23:48 |
| Snit | The question is what OS X does that is user hostile. | Jul 18 23:48 |
| schestowitz | I won't be doing your homework | Jul 18 23:48 |
| Snit | Give an example | Jul 18 23:48 |
| schestowitz | !google appl patents disabling camera | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Apple Patent Set To Disable Your Camera At Concerts | MacTrast | http://www.mactrast.com/2011/06/apple-patent-set-to-disable-your-camera-at-concerts/ | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Apple patents technology to disable camera during concerts ... | http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html%3Ffeed%3D104774%26article%3D8717562 | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Apple Camera Patent Lets External Transmitters Disable Features ... | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/06/03/1236248/Apple-Camera-Patent-Lets-External-Transmitters-Disable-Features | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Apple Patent Appears to Show System for Disabling Camera Remotely | http://www.petapixel.com/2011/06/03/apple-patent-appears-to-show-system-for-disabling-camera-remotely/ | Jul 18 23:48 |
| MinceR | also, hypeTunes only started eliminating drm from _music only_ when drm-free music stores took off | Jul 18 23:48 |
| Snit | You made a specific claim - and you have *no* examples of how my iMac is user hostile | Jul 18 23:48 |
| Snit | None | Jul 18 23:48 |
| schestowitz | !google apple remote deletion | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - How to uninstall or disable Apple Remote Desktop 2 or 3 | http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2577 | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Apple Remote Desktop: How to send Ctrl-Alt-Del to a PC | http://support.apple.com/kb/TA22781%3Fviewlocale%3Den_US | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Apple - Support - Discussions - Can I delete a user account using ... | http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa%3FmessageID%3D11418516 | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Inside iPhone 3.0's Remote Wipe feature | Phones | iOS Central ... | http://www.macworld.com/article/141605/2009/07/remotewipe.html | Jul 18 23:48 |
| MinceR | also, they still have drm on movies | Jul 18 23:48 |
| MinceR | and disney, owned by steve jobs, is pushing drm | Jul 18 23:49 |
| Snit | Of course they have DRM on movies. Nobody said otherwise. | Jul 18 23:49 |
| schestowitz | !google iphone remote deletion | Jul 18 23:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Inside iPhone 3.0's Remote Wipe feature | Phones | iOS Central ... | http://www.macworld.com/article/141605/2009/07/remotewipe.html | Jul 18 23:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Remote delete email/calendar upon...: Apple Support Communities | https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2619063%3Fstart%3D0%26tstart%3D0 | Jul 18 23:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - MobileMe pushes out new Find My iPhone, Remote Wipe service ... | http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/06/17/mobileme-pushes-out-new-find-my-iphone-remote-wipe-service/ | Jul 18 23:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - How-To: Remotely Wipe an iPhone Using Exchange — Apple News, Tips ... | http://gigaom.com/apple/how-to-remotely-wipe-an-iphone-using-exchange/ | Jul 18 23:49 |
| MinceR | hypeTunes has movies | Jul 18 23:49 |
| MinceR | 004808 < Snit> I believe all of iTunes is now DRM free. | Jul 18 23:49 |
| schestowitz | it need finer searches | Jul 18 23:49 |
| Snit | Disney is not Apple | Jul 18 23:49 |
| MinceR | sure | Jul 18 23:49 |
| schestowitz | *needs | Jul 18 23:49 |
| Snit | I meant music… even said that above. Geeeez | Jul 18 23:49 |
| DrPizza | Snit: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/14/business/yourmoney/14digi.html?pagewanted=2 | Jul 18 23:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Want an iPhone? Beware the iHandcuffs - New York Times .::. Size~: 57.21 KB | Jul 18 23:49 |
| MinceR | sorry for straining the Reality Distortion Field again | Jul 18 23:49 |
| DrPizza | Snit: Among the artists who can be found at eMusic are Barenaked Ladies, Sarah McLachlan and Avril Lavigne, who are represented by Nettwerk Music Group, based in Vancouver, British Columbia. All Nettwerk releases are available at eMusic without copy protection. | Jul 18 23:50 |
| DrPizza | But when the same tracks are sold by the iTunes Music Store, Apple insists on attaching FairPlay copy protection that limits their use to only one portable player, the iPod. Terry McBride, Nettwerk’s chief executive, said that the artists initially required Apple to use copy protection, but that this was no longer the case. At this point, he said, copy protection serves only Apple’s interests . | Jul 18 23:50 |
| Snit | Apple does not use FairPlay. That is MS. The article is simply wrong. | Jul 18 23:50 |
| DrPizza | Snit: apple was forcing labels to use DRM even when they didn't want it | Jul 18 23:50 |
| DrPizza | ummm | Jul 18 23:50 |
| DrPizza | no | Jul 18 23:50 |
| DrPizza | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairPlay | Jul 18 23:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: FairPlay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 80.22 KB | Jul 18 23:50 |
| schestowitz | [23:50] <Snit> Apple does not use FairPlay. That is MS. The article is simply wrong. << what Creationits say about carbon dating and such | Jul 18 23:50 |
| Snit | Whoops… my mistake. | Jul 18 23:50 |
| DrPizza | FairPlay is a digital rights management (DRM) technology created by Apple Inc., based on technology created by the company Veridisc. FairPlay is built into the QuickTime multimedia software and used by the iPhone, iPod, iPad, Apple TV, iTunes, and iTunes Store and the App Store. Formerly, all songs in the iTunes Store were encoded with FairPlay. Apple later started offering a selection of songs that, after an additional 50 cents is paid per | Jul 18 23:50 |
| DrPizza | song, could be downloaded FairPlay-free.[1] Currently, Apple does not sell songs with FairPlay encryption[citation needed]. FairPlay digitally encrypts AAC audio files and prevents users from playing these files on unauthorized computers. | Jul 18 23:50 |
| Snit | Fair enough | Jul 18 23:50 |
| DrPizza | Snit: and that NYT article was just a few weeks before Jobs' open letter. | Jul 18 23:51 |
| DrPizza | Jobs was saying one thing in public but doing another in private. | Jul 18 23:51 |
| schestowitz | unauthorized computers.= your computer running Linux? | Jul 18 23:51 |
| DrPizza | I think the pressure to remove DRM came from EMI | Jul 18 23:51 |
| Snit | In 2007 Apple was transitioning to no-DRM | Jul 18 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Or the mp3 playr whose name isn't prefixed with "i"? | Jul 18 23:51 |
| DrPizza | (they were the first to go DRM-free on iTunes) | Jul 18 23:51 |
| MinceR | crApple and jobs like to lie | Jul 18 23:52 |
| schestowitz | !Google mossberg jobs privacy | Jul 18 23:52 |
| schestowitz | !google mossberg jobs privacy | Jul 18 23:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Videos - AllThingsD | http://allthingsd.com/video/ | Jul 18 23:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Steve Jobs Bragged About Privacy—Days Ago | http://gawker.com/5560295/steve-jobs-bragged-about-privacydays-ago | Jul 18 23:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Steve Jobs Consolidated — Rixstep Learning Curve | http://rixstep.com/2/20110421,01.shtml | Jul 18 23:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Mossberg: Apple May Have 'Moved Goal Posts Again' With iPad 2 ... | http://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/2011/03/03/mossberg-apple-moved-goal-posts-ipad-2-jobs-good-energy/ | Jul 18 23:52 |
| Snit | That bot is annoying. | Jul 18 23:52 |
| schestowitz | are you a bot? | Jul 18 23:52 |
| Snit | Anyway: back to the topic - how is my iMac user hostile? | Jul 18 23:52 |
| DrPizza | Snit: isn't it just? | Jul 18 23:53 |
| Snit | So far nobody has any answer for this | Jul 18 23:53 |
| DrPizza | Snit: especially as schestowitz thinks that he can offer great insight just by typing "!google blahblah" to produce a bunch of irrelevant search times | Jul 18 23:53 |
| DrPizza | er | Jul 18 23:53 |
| DrPizza | search results | Jul 18 23:53 |
| Snit | Roy: no, but I used to run one I made called "Turing Device" on AIM. Would fool people for hours. | Jul 18 23:53 |
| DrPizza | >_< | Jul 18 23:53 |
| DrPizza | I think he uses this instead of constructing an actual argument | Jul 18 23:53 |
| DrPizza | But it's not very convincing | Jul 18 23:53 |
| Snit | Roy: please, what do you mean. And do you have any examples of how my iMac is user hostile? | Jul 18 23:53 |
| schestowitz | I'm giving him pointers | Jul 18 23:54 |
| DrPizza | But you're not. | Jul 18 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Without launching a browser | Jul 18 23:54 |
| Snit | Sure, I cannot copy all my apps to another computer against the wishes of the developers. Oh no! | Jul 18 23:54 |
| DrPizza | If you make a claim it's your job to actually support that claim. | Jul 18 23:54 |
| Snit | Is that what you mean? | Jul 18 23:54 |
| DrPizza | Not just say "here, you do the research" | Jul 18 23:54 |
| schestowitz | he can use the search phrase to expand to finer stuff till he fo=inds what's talked about | Jul 18 23:54 |
| Snit | Roy: you are avoiding the question. You have no answer. Telling me I might be able to support your claim is a copout. | Jul 18 23:54 |
| schestowitz | I am tryint to get work done, but keep getting distratced by IRC | Jul 18 23:54 |
| Snit | LOL! | Jul 18 23:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] !Mageia !GNU !Linux http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/ | Jul 18 23:54 | |
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| Snit | Well, let's have our radio discussion and I can ask you about it there. You can even do research first@ | Jul 18 23:55 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: it was written about before | Jul 18 23:55 |
| schestowitz | So I give him pointers to whose who cobvered it | Jul 18 23:55 |
| schestowitz | He can argue with them | Jul 18 23:55 |
| Snit | It is clear you need to do research to support this claim of yours. | Jul 18 23:55 |
| schestowitz | no | Jul 18 23:55 |
| schestowitz | I ned to do research | Jul 18 23:55 |
| schestowitz | And it's in computer vision | Jul 18 23:55 |
| schestowitz | I'm back to workspace 9 | Jul 18 23:55 |
| Snit | Somehow twist what is generally considered the most user-friendly desktop environment to be "user hostile". | Jul 18 23:56 |
| Snit | It would be fun to watch how you do that! | Jul 18 23:56 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: but the other people aren't here; you're the one who made the claim, the onus is on you, not some third party, to support it. | Jul 18 23:56 |
| Snit | So, in the end, while there might be some research that would allow you to support your claim, you have *no* example of how the computer I am sitting at is, in any way, "user hostile". Right? | Jul 18 23:56 |
| DrPizza | Snit: I'm sure he can find a link to some FSF drivel to "support" him | Jul 18 23:57 |
| Snit | Right: Roy used a derogatory double-talk insult against an environment he does not like… but he really meant nothing. He might be able to find a meaning if he looks hard enough. Then he can say that is what he meant all along | Jul 18 23:58 |
| DrPizza | Sounds about right | Jul 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | you keep highlighting me | Jul 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | and I get distratced again (popups) | Jul 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | [23:56] <DrPizza> schestowitz: but the other people aren't here; you're the one who made the claim, the onus is on you, not some third party, to support it. | Jul 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | I gave the right pointers | Jul 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | see anti-features | Jul 18 23:58 |
| DrPizza | No you didn't, you just chucked out some random google searches. | Jul 18 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Then, look at DRM in OSuX | Jul 18 23:59 |
| Snit | schestowitz: I see you | Jul 18 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Look at forensic aspects | Jul 18 23:59 |
| DrPizza | DRM is irrelevant. | Jul 18 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Licensing | Jul 18 23:59 |
| Snit | And I am asking you, schestowitz, to give an example of what you meant. | Jul 18 23:59 |
| DrPizza | Don't like it? Don't use DRMed media. | Jul 18 23:59 |
| schestowitz | not just softare licensing | Jul 18 23:59 |
| Snit | What is OSuX? | Jul 18 23:59 |
| schestowitz | amnd so on | Jul 18 23:59 |
| Snit | schestowitz: so you have no example. Not one. | Jul 18 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Go downthe list and ask, "how does Apple treat those criteria?" | Jul 18 23:59 |
| DrPizza | Snit: isn't it hilarious? | Jul 18 23:59 |
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