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| schestowitz | Thanks for the follow, following back now | Aug 08 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | Bear in mind I haven't coded anything major in C since 1999-2002/03 when I did some projects in it... than some C++ a few years later but mostly modifications to existing code. We all got embedded in high-level langs | Aug 08 00:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | well unit tests are always good. | Aug 08 00:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | :) | Aug 08 00:03 |
| schestowitz | usually we prototype lots of stuff | Aug 08 00:05 |
| schestowitz | The successful ideas are then implemented for business use, in a way which best follows the best routes explored | Aug 08 00:06 |
| schestowitz | For example, there is someone coding in C++ what has produced many papers | Aug 08 00:06 |
| schestowitz | ANd another one ports to C++ something which was done in C in the later 90s because this way CUDA can parallelise it, with the SDK | Aug 08 00:07 |
| schestowitz | But the problem is that I no longer get much practice with low-level languages | Aug 08 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Not since 2003 | Aug 08 00:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | it probably helps not to think of C as a low level language :) | Aug 08 00:07 |
| schestowitz | My siblings both use Java, so they too lack C skills | Aug 08 00:08 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: but it is | Aug 08 00:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | you can always ask here :) | Aug 08 00:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: in a sense, it is. | Aug 08 00:08 |
| schestowitz | compred to some | Aug 08 00:08 |
| schestowitz | today's | Aug 08 00:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: but if you obsess about that, you'll write worse code. | Aug 08 00:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | the challenge is to write "high level C", in many ways. :) | Aug 08 00:08 |
| schestowitz | maybe it was high level when I studied CS in 1998 | Aug 08 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Pascal and stuff | Aug 08 00:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | Pascal isn't really that different from C. | Aug 08 00:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | minor differences only. | Aug 08 00:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | in this respect | Aug 08 00:09 |
| schestowitz | With C I hate the use of code within a framework | Aug 08 00:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | what do you mean? | Aug 08 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Luike diving into a massive SDL | Aug 08 00:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | SDK? | Aug 08 00:09 |
| schestowitz | And you don't know what h files contains which prototype and what functions and type it exposes | Aug 08 00:10 |
| schestowitz | No, not sdk | Aug 08 00:10 |
| schestowitz | !google c sdl | Aug 08 00:10 |
| TechrightsSocial | [1] - SDL | http://www.libsdl.org/ | Aug 08 00:10 |
| TechrightsSocial | [2] - Tutorials - SDL Wiki' | http://wiki.libsdl.org/moin.cgi/Tutorials | Aug 08 00:10 |
| TechrightsSocial | [3] - CSDL Specification | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb399292.aspx | Aug 08 00:10 |
| TechrightsSocial | [4] - SDL:Tutorials - GPWiki | http://www.gpwiki.org/index.php/SDL:Tutorials | Aug 08 00:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | yeah I know of it | Aug 08 00:10 |
| schestowitz | buggy | Aug 08 00:11 |
| schestowitz | I used to have GDK and GTK memories | Aug 08 00:11 |
| schestowitz | But that was a decade ago | Aug 08 00:11 |
| schestowitz | 1.2 | Aug 08 00:11 |
| schestowitz | the whole API memorised | Aug 08 00:11 |
| schestowitz | I hate how our brain works | Aug 08 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Gaining skills is pointless | Aug 08 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Unless you use them | Aug 08 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Languages, programming languages, APIs, commands, menus, telephone numbers.. | Aug 08 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Eventually it boils down to methods | Aug 08 00:13 |
| schestowitz | And communication skills that are universal | Aug 08 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Skepticism | Aug 08 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Engagement | Aug 08 00:13 |
| schestowitz | And in today's world looks help too | Aug 08 00:13 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to this guy whose mate had 99% average | Aug 08 00:13 |
| schestowitz | And the snobs at Intel would still not accept him | Aug 08 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Many would not | Aug 08 00:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | they probably felt threatened :) | Aug 08 00:14 |
| schestowitz | They were afraid of him cause he was smarter or more adapted to memorising for exams well | Aug 08 00:14 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: yes, that's what him mate said | Aug 08 00:14 |
| schestowitz | I then told him your theory about reputation | Aug 08 00:14 |
| schestowitz | And how companies like Intel just try to improve their brand by hiring people like Cox | Aug 08 00:15 |
| schestowitz | I don't think there's basis for claiming that | Aug 08 00:15 |
| schestowitz | But in the world of research it does matter a lot | Aug 08 00:15 |
| schestowitz | What matters is the reputation (e.g. # of papers) you can bring to the group you get associated with | Aug 08 00:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | companies also hire to keep people off the market. | Aug 08 00:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | google comes to mind. | Aug 08 00:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | and microsoft did this, i think, when they were 'the top dog' | Aug 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Universities still enumerate and countbased on 'fame' of their profs. | Aug 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't matter if they teach well | Aug 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Or whether they bother to teach | Aug 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz | They can be absolute rubbish lecturers | Aug 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Which often they are | Aug 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz | And they don't even *Want* to teach | Aug 08 00:17 |
| schestowitz | They want to be left alone to do their own thing | Aug 08 00:17 |
| schestowitz | They improperly+ check exams too | Aug 08 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Who did Google try to keep from competing? | Aug 08 00:17 |
| schestowitz | I know about Microsoft head-hunting against Borland | Aug 08 00:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | i think it's a widespread practice | Aug 08 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Universities judge people by their ability to attract grants too | Aug 08 00:19 |
| schestowitz | It's a sick thing | Aug 08 00:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | heh | Aug 08 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Luckily I work in a well-funded group now | Aug 08 00:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. | Aug 08 00:19 |
| schestowitz | We got an ERC fund recently... lasting for 5 years | Aug 08 00:19 |
| schestowitz | So even when it all comes crashing down we need not sell anything | Aug 08 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Just demonstrate we do decent work | Aug 08 00:20 |
| schestowitz | And I get to write massive papers to publish in my site along the way | Aug 08 00:20 |
| schestowitz | If it weren't for it, I probably would not have bothered | Aug 08 00:21 |
| schestowitz | I also manage to squeeze in more Linux into another place this way | Aug 08 00:21 |
| schestowitz | But did you see what happened to stock markets last week? | Aug 08 00:21 |
| schestowitz | My friend M.C. reckons it's the start of the second dip | Aug 08 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Like 1929... 1932 | Aug 08 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Just got a phonecall today about someone who lost a big bundle and hasn't the heart to sell after foolishly putting it in the 'market' | Aug 08 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Nationally-offered interest\ rates dampened... less then 4%... well less than that | Aug 08 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Hardly even outpaces the inflation | Aug 08 00:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: well Robert Reich also sees a 2nd dip, but I am not sure why this is such a big deal | Aug 08 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Obama-with-the Republican-strings extands debt caps | Aug 08 00:26 |
| schestowitz | *tends | Aug 08 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Devaluing the $ | Aug 08 00:26 |
| schestowitz | This was discussed earlier in the #techrights channel | Aug 08 00:26 |
| schestowitz | I don't think the market can just be an outsider to the economic realities for much longer | Aug 08 00:27 |
| schestowitz | !google bernie sanders trillions bailout banks | Aug 08 00:27 |
| TechrightsSocial | [1] - Federal Reserve Audit Reveals Eye-Popping $16 Trillion In Secret ... | http://wearechangetv.us/2011/08/federal-reserve-audit-reveals-eye-popping-16-trillion-in-secret-loans-to-bailout-bankers/ | Aug 08 00:27 |
| TechrightsSocial | [2] - The Fed Audit - Newsroom: U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders (Vermont) | http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/%3Fid%3D9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-62060dcbb3c3 | Aug 08 00:27 |
| TechrightsSocial | [3] - Bernie Sanders: The Fed Audit: "U.S. provided a whopping $16 ... | http://www.dailypaul.com/171633/bernie-sanders-the-fed-audit-us-provided-a-whopping-16-trillion-in-secret-loans-to-bail-out-us-and-foreign-banks | Aug 08 00:27 |
| TechrightsSocial | [4] - Bernie Sanders: The Fed Audit $16 Trillion In Corporate Welfare ... | http://mindsimedia.wordpress.com/2011/07/24/bernie-sanders-the-fed-audit-16-trillion-in-corporate-welfare/ | Aug 08 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Did you know this? | Aug 08 00:27 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes, i tweeted it a couple of weeks ago | Aug 08 00:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | he's a good guy, Sanders | Aug 08 00:45 |
| schestowitz | he'd never get too far in national politics | Aug 08 00:46 |
| schestowitz | In Texas, for example, they pretend that prayer will fix the fiscal problems | Aug 08 00:46 |
| schestowitz | As if the problem is that they don't pray enough... not a dumb idiot running the state | Aug 08 00:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | LOL | Aug 08 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Today I pondered calling it "United States of China" | Aug 08 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Because the finances and estate are essentially China's now | Aug 08 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Thru the banking system that makes loans and foreclosures | Aug 08 01:12 |
| schestowitz | But the term CSA would be offensive to some | Aug 08 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Some patriots would choose to feel offended | Aug 08 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | [15:09] <yan_t> Burson-Marsteller in Germany anti-Google smear campaign sponsored by Microsoft | Aug 08 15:16 |
| schestowitz | [15:09] <yan_t> Article in newspaper: http://www.fr-online.de/politik/meinung/der-mensch-denkt--google-lenkt/-/1472602/8736368/-/ | Aug 08 15:16 |
| schestowitz | [15:09] <yan_t> Covered here: http://netzwertig.com/2011/08/05/mangelnde-transparenz-uber-lobbyismus-in-der-internetwirtschaft/ | Aug 08 15:16 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Gastbeitrag: Der Mensch denkt, Google lenkt | Meinung - Frankfurter Rundschau .::. Size~: 68.89 KB | Aug 08 15:16 |
| schestowitz | [15:09] <yan_t> more: http://blog.die-linke.de/digitalelinke/anti-google-pr-in-der-frankfurter-rundschau/ | Aug 08 15:16 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Mangelnde Transparenz: Der Lobbyismus der Internetgiganten » netzwertig.com .::. Size~: 58.27 KB | Aug 08 15:16 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Anti-Google-PR in der Frankfurter Rundschau « DIGITALE LINKE .::. Size~: 37.58 KB | Aug 08 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/spKa3.jpg | Aug 08 15:55 |
| TechrightsSocial | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Aug 08 15:55 |
| schestowitz | (17:53:59) x: Hi | Aug 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | (17:54:17) x: ^_^ | Aug 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | (17:54:26) x: how're you? | Aug 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | (17:54:33) roy: great | Aug 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | (17:54:38) roy: just got a third monitor | Aug 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | (17:54:46) x: oooh *jealous* | Aug 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | (17:54:59) roy: I need a cable though | Aug 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | (17:55:01) roy: VGA cable | Aug 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | (17:55:07) roy: Just a DVI lying around | Aug 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | (17:55:16) x: ah, darn | Aug 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | (17:55:20) roy: I'll purchase one tomorrow | Aug 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | (17:55:29) roy: I so look forward to it | Aug 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | (17:55:38) x: hehe I'll bet! | Aug 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | (17:55:40) roy: Never worked like this before | Aug 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | (17:55:45) roy: dual since I was 19, but never triple | Aug 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | (17:55:58) x: what're you going to put on the third one!? | Aug 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | (17:56:08) roy: more stuff | Aug 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | (17:56:14) roy: I need to figure out what | Aug 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | (17:56:22) x: I miss having two monitors, need to get a VGA/mini-dvi cable for my mac | Aug 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | (17:56:27) roy: I got stuck with a spare screen | Aug 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | (17:56:27) x: but I don't know what I'd do with a third lol | Aug 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | (17:56:30) x: ahhhh | Aug 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | (17:56:36) roy: So I wanted to put it to use somehow | Aug 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | (17:56:42) x: makes sense! | Aug 08 17:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | I couldn't use vga | Aug 08 18:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | too fuzzy ! :) | Aug 08 18:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | been DVI since ~ 2003 i guess | Aug 08 18:01 |
| schestowitz | I can hardly tell the difference on the display | Aug 08 18:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's clear as day to me | Aug 08 18:05 |
| schestowitz | And DVI doesn't work too well with my GPU based on my attempts | Aug 08 18:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | so much that I couldn't use VGA | Aug 08 18:05 |
| schestowitz | I burned 5 hours on it last month | Aug 08 18:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | odd. | Aug 08 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Won't be doing that again | Aug 08 18:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | my cards don't even have vga | Aug 08 18:06 |
| schestowitz | right, some don't | Aug 08 18:06 |
| *qu1j0t3 never had a problem with dvi | Aug 08 18:06 | |
| schestowitz | my brand new monitor doesn't have dvi support | Aug 08 18:06 |
| ender_33 | qu1j0t3 hey man | Aug 08 18:06 |
| schestowitz | had to check my boxes to see if I had a spare vga cable | Aug 08 18:06 |
| schestowitz | I knew I ought to have grabbed one from an old PC | Aug 08 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Too laten now | Aug 08 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Hey zdnet copied my "summary" format :-) | Aug 08 18:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/software-patents-lots-of-whining-but-reform-unlikely/54343 | Aug 08 18:10 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Software patents: Lots of whining, but reform unlikely | ZDNet .::. Size~: 118.46 KB | Aug 08 18:10 |
| schestowitz | same formatting, same structure | Aug 08 18:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | ender_33: hi | Aug 08 18:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: you mean it only does HDMI or something? | Aug 08 18:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | (+VGA) | Aug 08 18:13 |
| schestowitz | just VGA | Aug 08 18:15 |
| schestowitz | It's a new AOC | Aug 08 18:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | weird | Aug 08 18:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | i certainly would not buy a monitor without digital input | Aug 08 18:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | not since i started using dvi | Aug 08 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I'm wrong, didn't check the back yet | Aug 08 18:16 |
| ender_33 | qu1j0t3 - do you i2p ? | Aug 08 18:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | i don't even know what that is :) | Aug 08 18:24 |
| schestowitz | me neither | Aug 08 18:24 |
| ender_33 | http://www.i2p2.de/ | Aug 08 18:32 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: I2P Anonymous Network - I2P .::. Size~: 9.01 KB | Aug 08 18:32 |
| ender_33 | better than TOR | Aug 08 18:33 |
| ender_33 | allows a secret internet too | Aug 08 18:33 |
| ender_33 | (darknet) | Aug 08 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I don't need this | Aug 08 18:36 |
| schestowitz | I encrypt particular messages, the rest I do transparently | Aug 08 18:36 |
| schestowitz | maybe the crackers need that | Aug 08 18:37 |
| schestowitz | anonops and lulsec | Aug 08 18:37 |
| ender_33 | you don't mind being monitored? | Aug 08 18:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | oh, right. | Aug 08 18:37 |
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