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schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/4b0HI.gifAug 10 09:43
schestowitzhttp://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/jdo26/my_girlfriend_is_like_a_trampoline/Aug 10 09:44
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/davidgerard/status/101209674031960065Aug 10 09:49
TechrightsSocial@davidgerard: @schestowitz administering stuff is a PITA. though wordpress.com is a good exportable compromise.Aug 10 09:49
schestowitzgiving another party control can be a cure against DDOS and software errors, but at the expense of controlAug 10 09:49
schestowitzCan't Have It Both Ways http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44ilZq3R900&feature=digestAug 10 10:24
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwDo1uB-CBkAug 10 10:34
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schestowitzThe right wingers are being fuelled here by these riots... http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell#p/a/f/1/PL8JUElL0wsAug 10 10:39
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/78020511#notice-80636304 http://identi.ca/notice/80636304Aug 10 13:33
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TechrightsSocial@agentsmith's status on Wednesday, 10-Aug-11 12:11:39 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz At last good news...Aug 10 13:33
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY-IXd3IKfE&feature=youtube_gdataAug 10 13:34
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schestowitzNew http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQe4j66INCQ&feature=youtube_gdataAug 10 13:36
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schestowitzhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14449675Aug 10 13:41
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ender_33anything not from the state funded BBC?Aug 10 15:49
ender_331432: Housing minister Grant ShappsAug 10 15:51
ender_33tells BBC News that anyone found to be involved in the violent outbreaks across England, should be "very mindful" of participating in the unrest because it could affect their eligibility for public housing in the future.Aug 10 15:51
ender_33funAug 10 15:51
ender_33povertyAug 10 15:51
MinceRinteresting method of handling the situationAug 10 15:52
qu1j0t3lolAug 10 15:53
qu1j0t3the public statements all seem to be adding gasoline to a fire. not that I am surprised. Aug 10 15:54
qu1j0t3it's all exactly as expectedAug 10 15:54
ender_33problem reaction solutionAug 10 15:54
qu1j0t3ender_33: problem, reaction, double the problem. it's traditional.Aug 10 15:54
ender_33create the problem, wait for the reaction and offer the solutionAug 10 15:54
qu1j0t3yes, but the solution is just more problem.Aug 10 15:54
ender_33works every timeAug 10 15:54
ender_33its recursive, because the solution causes problems which cause more reactions which need even more solutionsAug 10 15:55
ender_33terror alert! terror down! terror up! terror down! lets change it up a little.... code green, code red, code green. etcAug 10 15:56
ender_33ie US DODAug 10 15:56
ender_33lolAug 10 15:56
ender_33we're going from the DEFCON system to simply 'We're fucked'Aug 10 15:56
qu1j0t3rightAug 10 15:57
ender_33ill be right back, gotta reboot this damn SL box againAug 10 15:58
qu1j0t3it will keep looping until somebody actually acknowledges the motivations for the riotsAug 10 15:58
qu1j0t3which isn't going to happen in the current systemic framework.Aug 10 15:58
qu1j0t3ender_33: software update?Aug 10 15:58
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schestowitzqu1j0t3: if this is played up by the government, then they do a poor jobAug 10 16:09
schestowitzWhat it does here right now is raise racismAug 10 16:09
schestowitzWhich the government actually tries to eliminate, except right-wing parties/groups like EDL, UKIP, BNP..Aug 10 16:10
schestowitzpeople -- like most animals -- are racist by their nature. the group belonging bit. We're no better than other animals, just the dominant animals at this time.Aug 10 16:10
qu1j0t3schestowitz: the government has been doing a poor job for decades and they're not stopping now.Aug 10 16:11
qu1j0t3schestowitz: their objective is not good managementAug 10 16:12
qu1j0t3schestowitz: as we knowAug 10 16:12
qu1j0t3schestowitz: which explains events perfectly :)Aug 10 16:12
schestowitzchaos ane racial wars weaken Cameron, he would lose to right wing fanaticsAug 10 16:13
schestowitzwhich is not good for the higher class, eitherAug 10 16:13
qu1j0t3Cameron is useless, i don't care about his fate.Aug 10 16:14
qu1j0t3as useless as ObamaAug 10 16:14
qu1j0t3and the same functionAug 10 16:15
schestowitzyesAug 10 16:26
schestowitzbut it won't change in either country any time soonAug 10 16:26
schestowitzMaybe Michellle Bashmann will be next US president, maybe Palin (is she still running?)Aug 10 16:26
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schestowitzhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14372698Aug 10 16:31
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schestowitzdoesn't say "piracy"Aug 10 16:32
schestowitzProgress?Aug 10 16:32
qu1j0t3schestowitz: right. i don't see any change. however, JPBarlow correctly predicted riots in the US sooner or later.Aug 10 16:35
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/80639074Aug 10 16:43
TechrightsSocial@Ted Smith (tedks)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Aug-11 13:19:46 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Don't do the cops job for them -- there are enough people fighting the class war from the side of the rich alreadyAug 10 16:43
schestowitzI would rather have cops catch looters than notAug 10 16:43
schestowitzhttp://imgur.com/8TZgdAug 10 16:44
TechrightsSocialTitle: Looters gonna loot - Imgur .::. Size~: 22.47 KBAug 10 16:44
qu1j0t3schestowitz: the problem from my pov is that "arson" and "looting" overwhelm any discussion of the real issues. this is deliberately reinforced bythe media and govt... it's just too easyAug 10 16:45
qu1j0t3happens in every protest for the last X decadesAug 10 16:45
qu1j0t3those people not directly affected (i.e. what's left of the lower middle class and upwards)  WANT to ignore  the issues and the media reaction allows them toAug 10 16:46
schestowitzI knowAug 10 16:46
qu1j0t3schestowitz: in this way, no progress can occur.Aug 10 16:46
schestowitzThere's a mixture of groups in thereAug 10 16:46
schestowitzSome are like fish swimming near the shrpsAug 10 16:46
qu1j0t3yes of course, this is a givenAug 10 16:46
schestowitzhookedm kids waiting for an open door somewhereAug 10 16:46
qu1j0t3yesAug 10 16:47
qu1j0t3but this isn't interestingAug 10 16:47
schestowitzSome have racial grievancesAug 10 16:47
qu1j0t3everybody intelligent knows thisAug 10 16:47
schestowitzSome class issuesAug 10 16:47
schestowitzBut it's not a riot of one groupAug 10 16:47
schestowitzIt's like a medleyAug 10 16:47
qu1j0t3of courseAug 10 16:47
schestowitzWhite tooAug 10 16:47
qu1j0t3but you see, the unreflective want a simple packageAug 10 16:47
schestowitzI was there to see it myself, at my own risk with two strogn friendsAug 10 16:47
qu1j0t3"they're all criminals, shoot them all"Aug 10 16:47
qu1j0t3that's the reaction you hear from Murdoch's armyAug 10 16:47
schestowitzYou can't put a label on the whole thingAug 10 16:47
qu1j0t3and the right wingAug 10 16:47
qu1j0t3the majority are protesting social injustice, schestowitz ... Aug 10 16:48
qu1j0t3schestowitz: by definition.Aug 10 16:48
schestowitzThe looters are Aug 10 16:48
schestowitzAnd vandalsAug 10 16:48
qu1j0t3heh, noAug 10 16:48
schestowitzNot all wereAug 10 16:48
qu1j0t3the majority are. by definition.Aug 10 16:48
schestowitzSome people there came to observeAug 10 16:48
schestowitzWe saw some pretty girls there tooAug 10 16:48
qu1j0t3if you don't understand that, then you need to study 20thC riotsAug 10 16:48
schestowitzThey didn't participate inthe lootingAug 10 16:48
schestowitzThey wanted an opportunity for the 'underclass'Aug 10 16:48
qu1j0t3sure, there are always middle class rubberneckers.Aug 10 16:49
qu1j0t3they got caught up in the G20 tooAug 10 16:49
qu1j0t3and because they were assaulted, arrested and abused like those who went to protest,Aug 10 16:49
schestowitzyeahAug 10 16:49
qu1j0t3they were radicalised.Aug 10 16:49
qu1j0t3that's how it works.Aug 10 16:49
qu1j0t3thank godAug 10 16:49
schestowitzthis was not a protestAug 10 16:49
qu1j0t3yes, it is.Aug 10 16:49
schestowitzI think that's the differenceAug 10 16:49
schestowitzno, not In MancAug 10 16:49
qu1j0t3it's a direct continuation of UK UncutAug 10 16:49
schestowitzThere was no real protestAug 10 16:49
schestowitzNo signs, no leaders, nothingAug 10 16:49
qu1j0t3well, that may be so in MancAug 10 16:50
schestowitzJust astray people looking for interesting eventsAug 10 16:50
schestowitzqu1j0t3: you tihink LondonAug 10 16:50
qu1j0t3if there's no protest, schestowitz, then the police will have no trouble containing it.Aug 10 16:50
schestowitzThat's where it startedAug 10 16:50
qu1j0t3the police cannot contain real protest.Aug 10 16:50
schestowitzhere it was just totally disirganisedAug 10 16:50
schestowitzkids looking to disrupt stuff and mess with the copsAug 10 16:50
qu1j0t3then the police will control it quicklyAug 10 16:50
qu1j0t3the only thing the cops can't handle is a real protestAug 10 16:50
schestowitzThe problem is they pass new laws nowAug 10 16:51
qu1j0t3there are never enough numbers for a criminal action to get out of handAug 10 16:51
schestowitzAnd phase in rubber bulletsAug 10 16:51
qu1j0t3haha, rubber bullets were used at g20Aug 10 16:51
schestowitzTHis will help them when real protests occur and they'll have public supportAug 10 16:51
qu1j0t3where there was no violence by protestersAug 10 16:51
qu1j0t3schestowitz: we're long past that point.Aug 10 16:51
qu1j0t3schestowitz: google rubber bulletsAug 10 16:51
schestowitzI knowAug 10 16:52
qu1j0t3schestowitz: you'll see hundreds of white middle class kids with horrendous woundsAug 10 16:52
schestowitzMany oppressors use themAug 10 16:52
qu1j0t3nobody gives a fuckAug 10 16:52
schestowitzAs an 'ethical' defenceAug 10 16:52
qu1j0t3"if you're on the streets you're a criminal"Aug 10 16:52
qu1j0t3^^ this is what Murdoch has achievedAug 10 16:52
schestowitzNot reallyAug 10 16:52
schestowitzSee..Aug 10 16:52
schestowitzHere at least..Aug 10 16:52
qu1j0t3yes, really.Aug 10 16:52
schestowitzThere were no protestersAug 10 16:52
schestowitzCurious people like meAug 10 16:52
qu1j0t3in MAC!Aug 10 16:52
qu1j0t3manc!Aug 10 16:52
schestowitzAnd troublemakersAug 10 16:52
qu1j0t3i'm referring to the riots.Aug 10 16:52
schestowitzNo protestAug 10 16:52
qu1j0t3Manc is a non-issueAug 10 16:52
schestowitzI don't know about Londom from eyewitness accountAug 10 16:53
qu1j0t3if there is no protest, then there is no critical mass for anything serious.Aug 10 16:53
schestowitzI rely on Murdoch's distortions thereAug 10 16:53
qu1j0t3Murdoch has been doing this for years.Aug 10 16:53
qu1j0t3let me show you the result:Aug 10 16:53
schestowitzdon't show me a kid in two part, plsAug 10 16:53
qu1j0t3http://friendfeed.com/ajft/433ac968/right-wing-cow-orker-problem-in-london-is-thatAug 10 16:54
TechrightsSocialTitle: right-wing cow-orker: THe problem in london is... - Adrian Tritschler - FriendFeed .::. Size~: 7.36 KBAug 10 16:54
qu1j0t3^^ this is murdoch's great achievement.Aug 10 16:54
schestowitzMegAug 10 16:55
schestowitzMehAug 10 16:55
schestowitzI sort of theorise this...Aug 10 16:57
schestowitzthere's bad debtAug 10 16:57
schestowitzobviouslyAug 10 16:57
schestowitzAnd something's gotta giveAug 10 16:57
schestowitzThey buy time nowAug 10 16:57
schestowitzMore debtAug 10 16:57
schestowitzMore loans at federal levelAug 10 16:57
schestowitzWhen it all breaks looseAug 10 16:58
schestowitzMiddle class joins lower classAug 10 16:58
schestowitzGenerations sharing houses]Aug 10 16:58
schestowitzConfiscation of assets by the lenders overseasAug 10 16:58
schestowitzAnd then there's huge unrestAug 10 16:58
schestowitzNow they need to prepare the lawsAug 10 16:58
schestowitzArm up the policeAug 10 16:58
qu1j0t3yesAug 10 16:58
schestowitzLike a militarisation of sortsAug 10 16:58
qu1j0t3G20 was part of this Aug 10 16:58
schestowitzAnd allow more wiretappingAug 10 16:58
qu1j0t3it's been going on for years, schestowitzAug 10 16:58
schestowitzI linked to a WSJ (Murcoch) article from last nightAug 10 16:59
qu1j0t3this is nothing newAug 10 16:59
schestowitzIt blames cellphones and stuff for the riotsAug 10 16:59
qu1j0t3everybody saw this coming, especially those architecting itAug 10 16:59
qu1j0t39/11 was the biggest stepAug 10 16:59
schestowitzAnd this gives them reason to be allowed to read and listen to everyoneAug 10 16:59
qu1j0t3yes.Aug 10 16:59
qu1j0t3precisely.Aug 10 16:59
schestowitzTHis way they would be better prepared to contain the crowd and find find, then arrest, 'ringleaders'Aug 10 16:59
qu1j0t3but all these tactics are familiarAug 10 16:59
schestowitzBEFORE the actual eventsAug 10 16:59
qu1j0t3of course.Aug 10 16:59
qu1j0t3pre-emptive.Aug 10 16:59
schestowitzLike that CHarlie Veich videoAug 10 16:59
qu1j0t3they did that at G20.Aug 10 16:59
qu1j0t3rounded up students at gunpoint in their uni dorms, schestowitzAug 10 17:00
qu1j0t3in TORONTO!Aug 10 17:00
qu1j0t3BEFORE the event.Aug 10 17:00
schestowitzAnd the Republican Conference thingAug 10 17:00
schestowitzWhere police horded with machine guns would raid houses the day beforeAug 10 17:00
schestowitzTHrought-crimeAug 10 17:00
schestowitzanyway, this is why we need tor and stuffAug 10 17:01
schestowitzTo play the class wars laterAug 10 17:01
schestowitzOtherwise the bastards winAug 10 17:01
qu1j0t3yes.Aug 10 17:01
qu1j0t3it's always the same.Aug 10 17:01
qu1j0t3toronto was militarised. cameras, acoustic cannonsAug 10 17:01
schestowitzEgypt shows how the government reactsAug 10 17:01
qu1j0t3"we'll take them down after the event"Aug 10 17:01
schestowitzEgypt is a Western nationAug 10 17:01
qu1j0t3and of course they didn'tAug 10 17:01
schestowitzLocated in the middle eastAug 10 17:01
schestowitzSame methods, similar technology anfd armsAug 10 17:01
schestowitzInternet disconnectedAug 10 17:02
schestowitzIIRC Syria did this tooAug 10 17:02
schestowitzBrieflyAug 10 17:02
qu1j0t3yes. they even buy the equipment from the US, etcAug 10 17:02
schestowitzCutting off communication between activistsAug 10 17:02
qu1j0t3tear gas canisters Made in USAAug 10 17:02
schestowitzBreaking apart unions of massesAug 10 17:02
qu1j0t3Cisco routers for internet censorshipAug 10 17:02
schestowitzyes, that tooAug 10 17:02
qu1j0t3http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Cisco-accused-of-helping-Beijing-persecute-Falun-Gong-followers-21657.htmlAug 10 17:03
schestowitz!google cisco routers cenorshipAug 10 17:03
TechrightsSocialTitle: CHINA Cisco accused of helping Beijing persecute Falun Gong followers - Asia News .::. Size~: 31.59 KBAug 10 17:03
TechrightsSocial[1] - Internet Censorship, Saudi Style - BusinessWeek | http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_47/b4109068380136.htmAug 10 17:03
TechrightsSocial[2] - Cisco Blog » Blog Archive » Cisco Q&A on China and Censorship | http://blogs.cisco.com/gov/cisco_qa_on_china_and_censorship/Aug 10 17:03
TechrightsSocial[3] - Nart Villeneuve — The Tale of Cisco: Censorship Is In the Router | http://www.nartv.org/2008/05/22/the-tale-of-cisco-censorship-is-in-the-router/Aug 10 17:03
TechrightsSocial[4] - Cisco Denies Aiding Chinese Web Censorship | http://www.crn.com/news/networking/207801396/cisco-denies-aiding-chinese-web-censorship.htmAug 10 17:03
schestowitzIf there's a market..Aug 10 17:03
qu1j0t3http://www.david-kilgour.com/2008/May_20_2008_01.htmAug 10 17:03
schestowitzThere's no easy client like govt. contractsAug 10 17:03
TechrightsSocialTitle: Cisco Systems document cites China censorship goal .::. Size~: 15.69 KBAug 10 17:03
schestowitzTaxpayers' wage leak inAug 10 17:03
schestowitz&*wagesAug 10 17:03
qu1j0t3http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000877.htmlAug 10 17:03
TechrightsSocialTitle: Lauren Weinstein's Blog: Empowering Evil Through Search and Surveillance: Why Corporate Ethics Matter .::. Size~: 15.25 KBAug 10 17:03
qu1j0t3'And now comes word that Cisco will be providing the networking gear for a massive Chinese surveillance system, that will almost certainly be used primarily to target political dissent. Perhaps most alarming in this case is the reaction of Cisco to questions about the ethics of the contract. "It's not my job to really understand what they're going to use it for," was the reaction of Cisco'sAug 10 17:03
qu1j0t3 executive VP in charge of their China strategy.Aug 10 17:03
qu1j0t3Shareholders love to hear this, and the government doesn't mind either. Political unrest in China hardly helps the american plutocracy. :)Aug 10 17:09
qu1j0t3they know it can only hurt them :)Aug 10 17:09
qu1j0t3it's all a bit too easyAug 10 17:10
qu1j0t3wikileaks remains the only counter-weaponAug 10 17:10
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qu1j0t3sebsebseb:  Aug 10 17:17
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: Aug 10 17:17
schestowitzIf there's a market.. http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2011/07/31/private-companies-own-your-dna-again/]Aug 10 17:23
TechrightsSocialError processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 404 Not FoundAug 10 17:23
schestowitzIf there's a market.. http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2011/07/31/private-companies-own-your-dna-again/Aug 10 17:23
TechrightsSocialTitle: Private companies own your DNA - again - Forbes .::. Size~: 139.27 KBAug 10 17:23
schestowitzsebsebseb: is identica quieting down?Aug 10 17:24
schestowitzI seem to recall it being more likely in cablegateAug 10 17:24
schestowitzI reckon stuff like Google+ won't do it much justice, eitherAug 10 17:24
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/80645417Aug 10 17:25
TechrightsSocial@Ted Smith (tedks)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Aug-11 15:47:17 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz the real looters are the !capitalist rulers, not the peopleAug 10 17:25
schestowitzThe ones looted in the UK are small businessesAug 10 17:25
qu1j0t3schestowitz: that doesn't invalidate his pointAug 10 17:25
schestowitza real solution would loot the richAug 10 17:25
schestowitzIt doesn't at the momentAug 10 17:26
qu1j0t3it's coming later.Aug 10 17:26
schestowitzThey make the rulesAug 10 17:26
qu1j0t3the rich will suffer eventually. it's guaranteed by the media/government narrative.Aug 10 17:26
qu1j0t3they've made their choice :)Aug 10 17:26
schestowitzit's taxpayers who take the bill for these riots and the damagesAug 10 17:27
schestowitzNot the richAug 10 17:27
qu1j0t3so?Aug 10 17:27
qu1j0t3who cares?Aug 10 17:27
qu1j0t3you're missing the pointAug 10 17:27
schestowitzThey pass more costs to those below, blaming *them*Aug 10 17:27
qu1j0t3of course.Aug 10 17:27
schestowitzwhat's the pont?Aug 10 17:27
qu1j0t3that's the narrative you're obsessing with.Aug 10 17:27
qu1j0t3hehAug 10 17:27
qu1j0t3come onAug 10 17:27
qu1j0t3it's not like we haven't been discussing this for yearsAug 10 17:27
schestowitzhow do you nail the rich?Aug 10 17:27
schestowitzProbably not by doing what they do..Aug 10 17:27
qu1j0t3they're afraid of violenceAug 10 17:27
schestowitzThere are more effective and non-violane twayAug 10 17:27
qu1j0t3at the moment, the plutocracy thinks they can keep a lid on thisAug 10 17:28
qu1j0t3they may be right, for nowAug 10 17:28
schestowitzin techrights for example we expose a lot of scamAug 10 17:28
schestowitzmillionaire novell execs are now out of workAug 10 17:28
schestowitzDragoon, HovsepianAug 10 17:28
schestowitzThis is, IMHO, the way to make those people hurt a littleAug 10 17:28
schestowitzSee what happened to Murdoch in the UKAug 10 17:28
schestowitzThey want his head on a stickAug 10 17:29
schestowitzPartly cause the Mirror and his rivals helpedAug 10 17:29
schestowitzBut also cause people exposed the scam he isAug 10 17:29
qu1j0t3murdoch needs to go, because he's a main mover in the social problemAug 10 17:29
schestowitzSo he might be expelled from hereAug 10 17:29
qu1j0t3so does your governmentAug 10 17:29
schestowitzi.e. financial damageAug 10 17:29
qu1j0t3but:Aug 10 17:29
qu1j0t31) murdoch is not going anywhereAug 10 17:29
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qu1j0t32) your government is not going anywhere.Aug 10 17:29
qu1j0t3schestowitz: you join the dots. ;)Aug 10 17:29
schestowitzno violence was needed to help screw MurdochAug 10 17:30
qu1j0t3schestowitz: Murdoch isn't screwed.Aug 10 17:30
schestowitzAnd this is how it went down in Egypt a lot of the timeAug 10 17:30
qu1j0t3schestowitz: Blair isn't screwed.Aug 10 17:30
qu1j0t3schestowitz: the corrupt UK govt isn't screwed.Aug 10 17:30
qu1j0t3schestowitz: there Are No Consequences.Aug 10 17:30
schestowitzBlair might head the EU soonAug 10 17:30
qu1j0t3schestowitz: EXACTLY!Aug 10 17:30
qu1j0t3schestowitz: so what does voting do again?Aug 10 17:30
schestowitzGates wants to be DGAug 10 17:31
qu1j0t3schestowitz: how did Techrights put Blair in jail again?Aug 10 17:31
schestowitzBut he's better working from the outsideAug 10 17:31
schestowitzLike pivate meetings with HarperAug 10 17:31
schestowitzTelling him who to give money for patent licence fromAug 10 17:31
schestowitzTaxpayers' moneyAug 10 17:31
schestowitztechrights does not do politics in the pure senseAug 10 17:31
schestowitzSo to ask what you did makes no senseAug 10 17:31
schestowitzPeople would not read the site they sub'd to 4 years ago if it was plainly politicalAug 10 17:32
schestowitzWe have our area of speciality and interestAug 10 17:32
schestowitzWithin that, I think we do exceptionally wellAug 10 17:32
schestowitzThe front page of the wiki now gets read about 4k times a day (non-cached)Aug 10 17:32
schestowitzI have one third screen up now, showing load averageAug 10 17:32
schestowitzIt's always hovering around 3 this afternoonAug 10 17:32
schestowitzOn two coresAug 10 17:32
qu1j0t3schestowitz: my point is. Who's putting Blair in jail?Aug 10 17:33
qu1j0t3schestowitz: who's putting Murdoch in jail?Aug 10 17:33
qu1j0t3schestowitz: there's no road there from here that's "socially acceptable"Aug 10 17:33
schestowitzTo me, this means "people absorb our hard labour"Aug 10 17:33
schestowitzsome sites go after themAug 10 17:33
schestowitzLike the Fox-exposing sitesAug 10 17:33
schestowitzMedia Matters for exampleAug 10 17:33
schestowitzLet them do their fine workAug 10 17:33
qu1j0t3it's not working.Aug 10 17:33
qu1j0t3it's not effective.Aug 10 17:33
schestowitz!google fox rants media mattersAug 10 17:34
TechrightsSocial[1] - Fox & Friends Cheers Christie's "Angr[y]" Rant Against Constituent ... | http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201106210001Aug 10 17:34
TechrightsSocial[2] - Fox News Goes on The Attack Against Media Matters « Rants & Rage | http://rantsandrage.com/2011/07/08/fox-news-goes-on-the-attack-against-media-matters/Aug 10 17:34
TechrightsSocial[3] - Dave Dubya's Freedom Rants: FOX(R) Misinformation | http://www.davedubya.com/2011/01/foxr-misinformation.htmlAug 10 17:34
TechrightsSocial[4] - Dr. Laura - Rant | Media Matters | Rand Paul | Mediaite | http://www.mediaite.com/online/media-matters-dr-laura-boycott-the-rand-paul-solution-to-racism/Aug 10 17:34
qu1j0t3nor is twitter.Aug 10 17:34
schestowitzThey tried to get them in troubleAug 10 17:34
qu1j0t3they're all politically inert.Aug 10 17:34
schestowitzBy saying it's tax-exempt while serving political agendaAug 10 17:34
schestowitzIn response to Republican bastards who pretended to be non-rpfotsAug 10 17:34
qu1j0t3so?Aug 10 17:34
schestowitzsome dude...Aug 10 17:34
schestowitzLong story..Aug 10 17:34
qu1j0t3they're only telling people who already figured it out.Aug 10 17:34
schestowitzDoesn't matter right nowAug 10 17:34
schestowitzBTW, re your Huffington rantsAug 10 17:34
schestowitzHomer/Slated opposedAug 10 17:35
schestowitzHe defended AriannaAug 10 17:35
schestowitzThen I told him you beg to differAug 10 17:35
schestowitzShe's no longer married to that Oil dudeAug 10 17:35
schestowitzAnd she apparently moved totally away from the right wingAug 10 17:35
schestowitzYou still allege that by going against the GOP she actually makes them (or Fox) stronger?Aug 10 17:35
schestowitzSo what would you rather they did?Aug 10 17:35
qu1j0t3makes no differenceAug 10 17:35
qu1j0t3to what she isAug 10 17:35
schestowitzWhat is she?Aug 10 17:36
qu1j0t3she's not going after FoxAug 10 17:36
schestowitzShe's richAug 10 17:36
qu1j0t3she's not going after the GOPAug 10 17:36
schestowitzAnd she pretends to speak for the poorAug 10 17:36
qu1j0t3you've completely missed the point againAug 10 17:36
qu1j0t3what happened to you?Aug 10 17:36
schestowitzWhile handing around with and marrying plutocratsAug 10 17:36
qu1j0t3YES.Aug 10 17:36
schestowitzSo...Aug 10 17:36
qu1j0t3she's supporting the establishment, the plutocracy, schestowitzAug 10 17:36
qu1j0t3that's my beef with herAug 10 17:36
qu1j0t3she's dishonest, a fraud of the worst kind.Aug 10 17:37
qu1j0t3on top of that, it's self-interestAug 10 17:37
schestowitzgot any articles exposing her?Aug 10 17:37
qu1j0t3she's no different from her buddies - Gates, ZuckerbergAug 10 17:37
qu1j0t3schestowitz: her site exposes her...Aug 10 17:37
schestowitztechrights did 3 alluding to it, but we -- like groklaw-  don't do politicsAug 10 17:37
qu1j0t3hehAug 10 17:37
schestowitzExcept the leakage stuff and maybe some in daily linksAug 10 17:37
schestowitzqu1j0t3: give me a short article explaining why she's a fraudAug 10 17:38
schestowitzsomeone must have done something to expose her some time in the pastAug 10 17:38
schestowitzI could instead just 'google it'Aug 10 17:38
qu1j0t3schestowitz: new euphemism on slashdot: "kinetic war" -- the type that kills wholesaleAug 10 17:41
ender_3312:35 < schestowitz> someone must have done something to expose her some time in the pastAug 10 17:42
ender_33!google arianna huffington exposedAug 10 17:43
TechrightsSocial[1] - 'Lizard Brains' Redux: Huffington Repeats Analogy But Gets Exposed ... | http://www.theblaze.com/stories/lizard-brains-redux-huffington-repeats-analogy-but-gets-exposed-by-tv-host/Aug 10 17:43
TechrightsSocial[2] - Proof Positive: Arianna Huffington Nude - No, Really? | http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/2011/02/arianna-huffington-nude-no-really.htmlAug 10 17:43
TechrightsSocial[3] - Millions of Wordpress Blogs Hacked, Reuters' Boss Talks ... | http://ebyline.biz/2011/04/millions-of-wordpress-blogs-hacked-reuters-boss-talks-attribution-and-does-huffpost-crowdsource-or-steal/Aug 10 17:43
TechrightsSocial[4] - Califone vs. Elizabeth Smart vs Arianna Huffington vs. Suicide ... | http://geargab.kingwho.com/%3Fp%3D174Aug 10 17:43
ender_33!google arianna exploits poorAug 10 17:43
TechrightsSocial[1] - Huff-Watch: Arianna continues using a dead 9-year-old girl as ... | http://huff-watch.blogspot.com/2011/01/arianna-continues-using-dead-9-year-old.htmlAug 10 17:43
TechrightsSocial[2] - How Much Did Arianna Huffington Make and Is It Fair Her Writers ... | http://blogs.forbes.com/tjwalker/2011/02/12/how-much-did-arianna-huffington-make-and-is-it-fair-her-writers-made-nothing/Aug 10 17:43
TechrightsSocial[3] - Colbert & Fallon Discuss What It Means To Be BFFFSM With Arianna | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/01/arianna-colbert-fallon-bfffsm_n_843784.htmlAug 10 17:43
TechrightsSocial[4] - Huffington Post to be sold to AOL for $315m | Richard Adams ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2011/feb/07/huffington-post-sale-aol-arianaAug 10 17:43
ender_33what happened to RoyAug 10 17:44
qu1j0t3schestowitz: you need to attend Re-education ;-)Aug 10 17:44
ender_33I think he didAug 10 17:44
ender_33thats why he was gone for a few weeksAug 10 17:45
qu1j0t3hahahaAug 10 17:45
ender_33vacation to israelAug 10 17:45
qu1j0t3schestowitz: You went to the Consensus Camp instead! Wrong one!Aug 10 17:45
ender_33probably an israeli brainwashing campAug 10 17:45
qu1j0t3'NYPD Creates Unit To Track Criminals Via Social Media'Aug 10 17:45
ender_33'serve the new world order'Aug 10 17:45
ender_33US,UK,Israel - Taking over the world on behalf of Freemasonry & by extension IlluminatiAug 10 17:46
ender_33CCTV is good for youAug 10 17:47
ender_33Riots are badAug 10 17:47
qu1j0t3'In the 1970s, RAND built models they thought could predict fire patterns in New York, and then used them to justify closing fire stations in NYC's poorest sections in the name of efficiency, a decision that would ultimately displace 600,000 people as their neighborhoods burned.Aug 10 17:48
schestowitzqu1j0t3: https://twitter.com/einfeldt/status/101317247146008576Aug 10 18:28
TechrightsSocial@einfeldt: RT @AJEnglish: London: A class divided "The riots are a symptom of a deep malaise in this country" http://aje.me/pLoKnvAug 10 18:28
TechrightsSocial-> Title: London: a class divided | Al Jazeera Blogs .::. Size~: 39.37 KBAug 10 18:28
qu1j0t3yes.Aug 10 18:29
qu1j0t3brewing for a LONG time.Aug 10 18:29
qu1j0t3schestowitz: now do you see it's an extension of what we've been talking about these past years?Aug 10 18:29
qu1j0t3which is why @JPBarlow predicts the same, soon, in the US.Aug 10 18:29
schestowitzhttp://gregor.us/portland/moving-to-portland/ like LinusAug 10 18:34
TechrightsSocialTitle: Moving to Portland | Gregor.us .::. Size~: 40.09 KBAug 10 18:34
schestowitzqu1j0t3: has it not started in the US?Aug 10 18:34
schestowitzhttp://www.goodbyemicrosoft.net/news.php?item.664.1Aug 10 18:36
TechrightsSocialTitle: Goodbye, Microsoft®: Xplornetsucks.com hacked .::. Size~: 17.24 KBAug 10 18:36
schestowitzqu1j0t3: https://identi.ca/notice/80650321Aug 10 18:46
TechrightsSocial@Ted Smith (tedks)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Aug-11 17:42:51 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Owned by people in the neighborhood? Working against neoliberalism? Small businesses are still businesses.Aug 10 18:46
schestowitzhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14482695Aug 10 18:46
TechrightsSocialTitle: BBC News - Video shows police beating suspect .::. Size~: 66.24 KBAug 10 18:46
schestowitz"Amateur footage has been posted on YouTube claiming to show police beating a riot suspect in Jutland Street, near Manchester's Piccadilly Station."Aug 10 18:46
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ender_33have you seen the video?Aug 10 19:21
schestowitzyes, I haveAug 10 19:34
schestowitzI don't know what they did/if they did somethingAug 10 19:34
schestowitzMaybe they caused trouble and fledAug 10 19:34
schestowitzAnd then TAU got helicopter info on where to get themAug 10 19:34
ender_33so there is a valid reason for a police officer to beat a riot suspect?Aug 10 19:35
ender_33guilty until proven innocent in a court of law?Aug 10 19:35
schestowitzdid I defend the police brutality?Aug 10 19:36
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schestowitzSomeone is selling a 2-bedroom house near me for 100,000.Aug 10 19:38
schestowitzPrices are down considerably in the UKAug 10 19:38
ender_33yes you didAug 10 19:40
ender_33I like how you twist your supportAug 10 19:41
ender_3314:32 < schestowitz> I don't know what they did/if they did somethingAug 10 19:41
ender_3314:32 < schestowitz> Maybe they caused trouble and fledAug 10 19:41
ender_33assuming they did something to cause the cop to beat themAug 10 19:41
schestowitzTAU are the police's own army of thugsAug 10 19:45
schestowitzThey use them in football games tooAug 10 19:45
schestowitzWhen drunks fans are out and aboutAug 10 19:45
schestowitzThey wear impressive armor and are well equippedAug 10 19:45
schestowitzThey keep them in the back of vans and then unleash them like mercenaries to tactically assault the crowdAug 10 19:45
schestowitzThey're like animals some of then, very tall and on big bootsAug 10 19:46
schestowitzThe ones I saw last night you couldn't beat in a fight cause they're all covered like some characters from quakeAug 10 19:46
schestowitz[19:41] <ender_33> I like how you twist your supportAug 10 19:46
schestowitz[18:46] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @wikileaks: UK riot cops beat boys on bicycles but BBC excuses. Original: http://t.co/QMim3lX BBC: http://t.co/YxLGGuIAug 10 19:47
TechrightsSocialTitle: ‪London Riots - Manchester Riot Police Beat Teenagers On Bikes‬‏       - YouTube .::. Size~: 101.14 KBAug 10 19:47
TechrightsSocialTitle: BBC News - Video shows police beating suspect .::. Size~: 66.25 KBAug 10 19:47
schestowitzI took the side opposite to themAug 10 19:47
schestowitzAnd got told off by a stranger for it:  https://twitter.com/felixpy/status/101348851478315008Aug 10 19:47
TechrightsSocial@felixpy: @schestowitz good, i hope they beat the shit out of the twats. if you sympathise with these people then i seriously worry for you.Aug 10 19:47
ender_33yeah there is something seriously wrong with you if you are on the gov't side on this oneAug 10 19:48
ender_33its like its a whole different youAug 10 19:49
ender_33you were against the g20, but you support the gov't this time?Aug 10 19:49
schestowitzYou misinterpreted my viewAug 10 19:49
schestowitzIf you're not sure, ask me, I'd clarifyAug 10 19:49
ender_33clarify your position thenAug 10 19:49
ender_33imo, agreeing with the police means you support the system/governmentAug 10 19:50
schestowitzpeople defied basic lawsAug 10 19:58
schestowitzLike taking other people's stuff, invading homes, etc.Aug 10 19:58
schestowitzWrong from a fundamental set of ethical guidelinesAug 10 19:58
schestowitzThe police was the lifeline those people without arms hadAug 10 19:58
schestowitzAnd they sometimes came to the resucreAug 10 19:58
ender_33people defy basic laws everyday, not all laws are justAug 10 19:59
ender_33my example is free speech lawsAug 10 19:59
ender_33while I don't advocate for the KKK, I believe they should have the right to be racist because thats freedomAug 10 19:59
schestowitzThat's differentAug 10 20:00
schestowitzThey get this rightAug 10 20:00
ender_33I also can't remember any situation where a cop beating someone was justified as a legal actAug 10 20:02
ender_33no matter what the victim did before hand or afterAug 10 20:02
ender_33thats my experience, thats why i dont trust copsAug 10 20:02
ender_33I've even had cops attempt to conduct illegal searches on hunchesAug 10 20:02
ender_33on meAug 10 20:03
ender_33my friend was told he shouldn't drive the car he had because it was an eye sore for the cops - a sports carAug 10 20:03
ender_33cops hate people who stand outAug 10 20:04
schestowitzsome doAug 10 20:05
schestowitzNot all cops think alikeAug 10 20:05
schestowitzCops are not a mentality, a race, and a genderAug 10 20:06
schestowitzThey also have a variety of different functions they get assigned toAug 10 20:06
ender_33the common denominator is the training that turns them against the public - everyone is a potential criminal - be on your guardAug 10 20:07
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schestowitzender_33: people too are generally suspicious of toehrsAug 10 20:09
schestowitzCops are given more legal power to enforce what they see as suitable, inc. forceAug 10 20:09
ender_33I get the role of a police officer, but at some point it changed into a business.Aug 10 20:09
ender_33Police officers used to serve and protect people. Now they serve and protect their quotas and the jobs of their fellow officers who do corrupt acts.Aug 10 20:10
schestowitzthat's the issue with the jail system in the USAug 10 20:12
schestowitzThe goal should be not to put many people in prisonAug 10 20:12
schestowitzBut when it's a business, then it gets reversedAug 10 20:12
schestowitzAnd then you can classify more things as arrestable crimeAug 10 20:12
schestowitzLike taking the 'wrong' drugs... alcohol OK, pot not.Aug 10 20:12
qu1j0t3already doneAug 10 20:13
schestowitzThis way they can keep their 'clientbase' of 1% (or US population) under their control with public sponsoring thisAug 10 20:13
schestowitzAnd they also can lock up ;'easier' peopleAug 10 20:13
schestowitzThose who would not cause much messAug 10 20:13
schestowitzPeople who peddled potAug 10 20:13
schestowitzNot serial killersAug 10 20:13
schestowitzSo they run a sort of summer camp for them, paid by the publicAug 10 20:13
ender_33yeah and then they pass so many laws they don't have the cops to keep upAug 10 20:17
ender_33cameras get installed to make fining people easierAug 10 20:17
ender_33I think more civilians should become 'peace officers' (not police officers) and watch the copsAug 10 20:18
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MVonyVSQoM&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=AVGxdCwVVULXcwpYOD9MFr1PJ5w2Q-oO61Aug 10 20:23
TechrightsSocialTitle: ‪A-Team Intro High Quality‬‏       - YouTube .::. Size~: 107.12 KBAug 10 20:23
schestowitzThat's what the TAU remind me ofAug 10 20:23
schestowitzExcept they don't have mister TeaAug 10 20:23
ender_33lolAug 10 20:25
ender_33Mr T and his gold chainsAug 10 20:25
schestowitz"get em nuts!"Aug 10 20:25
schestowitz!google sneakers mr tAug 10 20:25
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TechrightsSocial[4] - Get More Nuts | http://www.getsomenuts.tv/Aug 10 20:25
schestowitzodd that [3] creeps inAug 10 20:26
ender_33!google keeanu reeves immortalAug 10 20:26
TechrightsSocial[1] - Keanu Reeves is immortal | http://www.keanuisimmortal.com/Aug 10 20:26
TechrightsSocial[2] - Keanu Reeves is immortal‏ - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DnEubt6HpGhsAug 10 20:26
TechrightsSocial[3] - Finally, Compelling Evidence that Keanu Reeves is Immortal - The ... | http://blog.moviefone.com/2009/10/26/finally-compelling-evidence-that-keanu-reeves-is-immortal/Aug 10 20:26
TechrightsSocial[4] - Keanu Reeves Immortality, meme? | Meme Research Discussion | Know ... | http://knowyourmeme.com/forums/meme-research/topics/4974-keanu-reeves-immortality-memeAug 10 20:26
schestowitzStallone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvester_StalloneAug 10 20:26
TechrightsSocialTitle: Sylvester Stallone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 155.33 KBAug 10 20:26
schestowitzhe's 65 now..Aug 10 20:27
schestowitzborn when ww2 endedAug 10 20:27
schestowitzbaby boomer?Aug 10 20:27
schestowitzhe was a t hug and gangster before the film career Aug 10 20:27
schestowitz1975Aug 10 20:27
schestowitzHe would beat up people for bankersAug 10 20:28
schestowitzIf they couldn't pay the loanAug 10 20:28
schestowitzLike the mafiaAug 10 20:28
schestowitzCriminaklAug 10 20:28
schestowitzir doesn't say it in wikipediaAug 10 20:29
schestowitzThat's omittedAug 10 20:29
schestowitzgoing into his personal and family lifeAug 10 20:29
schestowitzBut not the negative easrly lifeAug 10 20:29
schestowitzLeaping to the film careerAug 10 20:30
schestowitzI reckon he was on steroids in Rambo daysAug 10 20:31
schestowitzWikipedia is not a complete source for many thingsAug 10 20:31
schestowitzI bet the PR agewncies defend their client's reputation on thereAug 10 20:32
schestowitzIt's easy for themAug 10 20:32
ender_33Yeah I don't put too much thought into wikipediaAug 10 20:35
ender_33I was in ##conspiracy and was there to witness people who caught mods on wikipedia removing tesla inventions under the guise of various silly rulesAug 10 20:36
ender_33such as the lack of peer review because edison was fucking him overAug 10 20:36
ender_33they would rather not have people know that the government stole all his researchAug 10 20:37
schestowitzedison stole a lot of research, but 'steal' is used loosely hereAug 10 20:39
schestowitzresearch cannot be stolenAug 10 20:40
schestowitzIt's about attributionAug 10 20:40
schestowitzWhen I invent something I at least want to be recognised for it, I don't care so much about profitAug 10 20:40
schestowitzProfits don't stay around after you die, reputation canAug 10 20:40
ender_33what he stole was tesla's good nameAug 10 20:43
schestowitznot his nameAug 10 20:43
schestowitzhis ideadAug 10 20:43
schestowitzAtttributed wronglyAug 10 20:43
ender_33you talk about his stuff today and some people might think you're nutsAug 10 20:43
schestowitzLike the lightbulb thing and lots moreAug 10 20:43
schestowitzhe created GEAug 10 20:44
ender_33good name = reputationAug 10 20:44
schestowitzwith like half a million employeesAug 10 20:44
ender_33telsa died with nothing for his ideas, edison made a fortuneAug 10 20:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fcassia/status/101360094607982592Aug 10 20:44
TechrightsSocial@fcassia: @schestowitz great setup, congrats! but you need to hire a photographer. ;-)Aug 10 20:44
schestowitzboth diedAug 10 20:44
ender_33now GE is one of the biggest media companiesAug 10 20:44
schestowitzand are bones nowAug 10 20:44
schestowitzIt's parityAug 10 20:45
ender_33running part of the mediaAug 10 20:45
schestowitzBut it's unfair that the latter's bones are glorifiedAug 10 20:45
schestowitzAs if he was the father of scienceAug 10 20:45
ender_33well its not just thatAug 10 20:45
ender_33they supressed inventionsAug 10 20:45
schestowitzProbably more than thatAug 10 20:45
ender_33he had all kinds of stuff that worked which would decentralize the creation of powerAug 10 20:45
schestowitzwhat except MSNBC does GE own?Aug 10 20:45
schestowitzmedia wise?Aug 10 20:45
ender_33GE? They are one of the 6 or so companies that own itAug 10 20:46
MinceRschestowitz: NBC UniversalAug 10 20:46
schestowitzwhat channels are controlled?Aug 10 20:47
ender_33http://www.corporations.org/media/Aug 10 20:47
TechrightsSocialTitle: Media Reform Information Center .::. Size~: 25.38 KBAug 10 20:47
schestowitzI don't think GE owns the WHOLE of NBC, does it?Aug 10 20:47
MinceRi think they doAug 10 20:47
MinceRdo you mean tv channels?Aug 10 20:47
ender_33http://www.nowfoundation.org/issues/communications/tv/mediacontrol.htmlAug 10 20:47
TechrightsSocialTitle: Digital TV Project: Who Controls the Media .::. Size~: 16.17 KBAug 10 20:47
ender_33GE/NBC's ranks No. 1 on the Forbes 500. Prior to its merger with NBC and an alliance with Microsoft, GE specialized in electronics. The peacock owns many New York sports team. It also owns or has equity stakes in many popular websites, including Snap.com and iVillage.Aug 10 20:48
MinceRhm, apparently NBC Universal has two owners: Comcast and GEAug 10 20:48
MinceRand Comcast owns 51%Aug 10 20:48
MinceRhttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/NBC_UniversalAug 10 20:48
TechrightsSocialError processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 403 ForbiddenAug 10 20:48
schestowitzokAug 10 20:48
schestowitzwhat can go wrong?Aug 10 20:48
schestowitzTwo corporations with lobbyists running the newsAug 10 20:49
MinceR:>Aug 10 20:49
qu1j0t3schestowitz: Financial Times wants to talk about 2 issues re: riots. "race" and "looting". both irrelevantAug 10 20:49
qu1j0t3schestowitz: look for this tactic, it's everywhereAug 10 20:49
ender_33do you now understand when I say the media is controlled?Aug 10 20:49
MinceRhttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/NBC_Universal#Sale_to_ComcastAug 10 20:49
TechrightsSocialError processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 403 ForbiddenAug 10 20:49
schestowitznot "class" too?Aug 10 20:49
qu1j0t3ender_33:  I don't think that idea is novel to anyone here...Aug 10 20:49
qu1j0t3schestowitz: OF COURSE NOT.Aug 10 20:49
ender_33those same 5 are telling you whats going on with the riotsAug 10 20:49
schestowitzrace warsAug 10 20:49
qu1j0t3schestowitz: it's anathema for the "class" issue to be debated Aug 10 20:49
qu1j0t3schestowitz: itAug 10 20:49
schestowitz"stop thinking about wars overseas!'"Aug 10 20:50
qu1j0t3schestowitz: it's necessary to paint them as criminals, or disaffected (unwanted) immigrantsAug 10 20:50
schestowitz"looting"= underclass is the enemyAug 10 20:50
schestowitzNot the upper classAug 10 20:50
schestowitzThey loot "legally"Aug 10 20:50
qu1j0t3schestowitz: WE know it's about class. but the narrative cannot swing that way.Aug 10 20:50
ender_33new orleans = looting, greece = lootingAug 10 20:50
schestowitzThrough legitlation and lobbying and stuff :-)Aug 10 20:50
schestowitz"25% of your wage is mine, and I have a charitable foundation sodare not tax me"Aug 10 20:50
qu1j0t3schestowitz: the idea that this springs from disenfranchisement is the forbidden topicAug 10 20:50
MinceRsee also: http://www.freepress.net/ownership/chart/mainAug 10 20:51
TechrightsSocialTitle: Ownership Chart: The Big Six | Free Press .::. Size~: 104.86 KBAug 10 20:51
ender_33http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riotsAug 10 20:51
TechrightsSocialTitle: List of riots - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 356.19 KBAug 10 20:51
ender_33curiously, I noticed a lot more riots are listed in 2010 and 2011Aug 10 20:51
MinceRalso that needs javascriptAug 10 20:52
MinceRyou can list the tv channels thereAug 10 20:52
ender_33even wikipedia is being emotionalAug 10 20:52
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/felixpy/status/101372242214137856Aug 10 20:52
TechrightsSocial@felixpy: @schestowitz may i ask why they attempted to run away from the police then and were shouting abuse at the police?Aug 10 20:52
ender_332011 - Riots in London, Liverpool, Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Bristol, Nottingham, Manchester, Leicester, Gloucester, Chatham, Gillingham, Northampton, Salford, West Bromwich and Derby, England, hundreds injured and 4 killed _protecting their community_.Aug 10 20:52
schestowitzI don't see them shouting and I don't know if they ran away from anything. The video does not show sufficient context.Aug 10 20:53
schestowitzThen there is the question of whether the brutality was necessary, the cops were clearly strong enough to cuff them.Aug 10 20:54
qu1j0t3schestowitz: you know by now that brutality is part of the strategyAug 10 20:56
qu1j0t3an inseparable partAug 10 20:56
schestowitzThere'  the danger that if we permit cops to beat the * out of people who match a steretype they'll 'normalise' this practiceAug 10 20:57
qu1j0t3hehAug 10 20:57
qu1j0t3it already is normal in some communitiesAug 10 20:58
schestowitzqu1j0t3: but the media makes the cops seem like the good guys all the timeAug 10 20:58
qu1j0t3here, for example.Aug 10 20:58
schestowitzIn times of crisis they are seen as the savioursAug 10 20:58
schestowitzSame in times of warAug 10 20:58
qu1j0t3police run rampant, beating and shooting low income communities hereAug 10 20:58
qu1j0t3it's only new to white, affluent people (G20)Aug 10 20:58
schestowitzIf you don't agree, "you help the enemy"Aug 10 20:58
qu1j0t3I am SURE it's the same in London.Aug 10 20:58
schestowitzSo it's the best proipaganda they can haveAug 10 20:58
schestowitzChaos and anarchyAug 10 20:58
qu1j0t3yes.Aug 10 20:58
schestowitzThen people say, we need MORE copsAug 10 20:58
qu1j0t3which is why the consensus media is irrelevantAug 10 20:58
schestowitzor MORE tanksAug 10 20:59
schestowitzin war timeAug 10 20:59
qu1j0t3of course. this guy said it well:Aug 10 20:59
MinceRafaik it's worse in londonAug 10 20:59
qu1j0t3MinceR: probably yes.Aug 10 20:59
MinceRthey've got the cctv and all that shitAug 10 20:59
qu1j0t3schestowitz: this sums it up https://twitter.com/#!/Marriotti67/status/101051007529787392Aug 10 20:59
TechrightsSocial@Marriotti67: Not sure where this "the police aren't allowed to police anymore" is coming from. Few months ago they were running horses through students.Aug 10 20:59
qu1j0t3schestowitz: and https://twitter.com/#!/agent_of_change/status/100847816204754944Aug 10 20:59
TechrightsSocial@agent_of_change: Many young ppl in London live in a permanent state of invisible crisis. If the riots shine some light on their conditions, that's positive.Aug 10 21:00
qu1j0t3and https://twitter.com/#!/MikeHitchen/status/101263728309321728Aug 10 21:00
TechrightsSocial@MikeHitchen: Cameron, offenders to "face full force of the law" Does that apply to all offenders, or just those outside your elite circle of friends?Aug 10 21:00
schestowitz@gnufreex] Gaddafi strikes UK govt with their own rhetorics "Cameron must go, he lost all legitimacy because of riots". 2tu.us/3g1lAug 10 21:01
schestowitzqu1j0t3: RTedAug 10 21:03
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/80656157Aug 10 21:07
TechrightsSocial@Dayo (jargon)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Aug-11 20:04:09 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz beautifully said.Aug 10 21:08
schestowitzha!Aug 10 21:08
schestowitzjust tweeted:Aug 10 21:21
schestowitzBy unscientific calculations/speculations, ~10 billion full-body x-rays at airports will cause more cancer fatalities than terrorist attacks preventedAug 10 21:21
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/80656307Aug 10 21:22
TechrightsSocial@Luke Slater (reality)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Aug-11 20:07:56 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Not if it hasn't spread yet... #metaphailAug 10 21:22
schestowitzre "Increasing police force to address social crisis is the gross equivalent of cutting off limbs having cancer.The problems remain, suppressed."Aug 10 21:23
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/80656419Aug 10 21:23
TechrightsSocial@satipera (satipera)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Aug-11 20:10:45 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Spot on.Aug 10 21:23
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/80656483Aug 10 21:23
TechrightsSocial@Wayne Borean (wayneborean)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Aug-11 20:12:29 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz You think that the government is going to understand that? Pardon my cynicism.Aug 10 21:23
ender_33One rootkit to rule them all, One kit to find them, One kit to bring them all and on the darknet bind them.Aug 10 22:05
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/kroosec/statuses/101364323842129921Aug 10 23:07
TechrightsSocial@kroosec: @_L1z_ If you are interested more by the subject, groklaw.com and techrights.org are good sources. #patents #trolls #microsoftAug 10 23:07
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/80660274Aug 10 23:08
TechrightsSocial@Psychedelic Squid (psquid)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Aug-11 21:52:02 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Apple is killing Jobs? ;pAug 10 23:08
schestowitzyeah :-)Aug 10 23:08
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/keithccurtis/status/101416010669756416Aug 10 23:47
TechrightsSocial@keithccurtis: @schestowitz The problem is the government is killing the private sector. The solution is not even more government. See: Cuba.Aug 10 23:47
schestowitzKeith from MicrosoftAug 10 23:47
schestowitzI was not suggesting socialismAug 10 23:47
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/80661618Aug 10 23:48
TechrightsSocial@satipera (satipera)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Aug-11 22:33:57 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz A start would be distinguishing between defence and aggression.Aug 10 23:48

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