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schestowitzThis has gotten very frustrating. I cannot boot into X anymore and cannot complete the Debian installation from HDD or USB either. Still trying...Aug 14 00:20
qu1j0t3schestowitz: http://twitter.com/#!/timoreilly/status/102406807531700224Aug 14 00:24
TechrightsSocial@timoreilly: BART vs Free Speech http://t.co/07x7Bvz Lauren Weinstein reminds us that US deploys portable cell units to support protests in Middle EastAug 14 00:24
TechrightsSocial-> Title: Lauren Weinstein's Blog: Heard Somewhere Inside the Beltway: BART vs. Free Speech .::. Size~: 9.4 KBAug 14 00:24
schestowitzoh, the horrors http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.enAug 14 01:26
TechrightsSocialTitle: 4.5. Preparing Files for TFTP Net Booting .::. Size~: 12.2 KBAug 14 01:26
schestowitzhttp://members.chello.at/bobby100/ILpart1.htmAug 14 01:30
TechrightsSocial@: Aug 14 01:30
qu1j0t3schestowitz: yeah it's a while since I tried that.Aug 14 01:37
qu1j0t3schestowitz: was probably SunOS 4.xAug 14 01:37
qu1j0t3actually, no I tried to get PXE boot working once. failed.Aug 14 01:37
schestowitzthere's no point going thereAug 14 02:01
schestowitzI just cannot get it to recognise the USB boot ket I've createdAug 14 02:01
schestowitzI'll retry tomorrow. I need Debian on this machine, Puppy is not good for serversAug 14 02:01
schestowitzBut at least I spent some days getting an impression of it and some programs I never knew aboutAug 14 02:02
qu1j0t3hehAug 14 02:33
qu1j0t3yeah traditionally Debian is serverish, but I dropped it ~2002 and never went back.Aug 14 02:34
qu1j0t3I wouldn't use anything but Gentoo on a server.Aug 14 02:34
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/78175675#notice-80817921 http://identi.ca/notice/80817921Aug 14 08:24
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TechrightsSocial@Srinivas V (srini)'s status on Sunday, 14-Aug-11 02:52:24 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz affirmativeAug 14 08:24
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/80827011Aug 14 10:07
TechrightsSocial@Răzvan Sandu (rsandu)'s status on Sunday, 14-Aug-11 08:59:59 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz That's a picture of many young Romanians...Aug 14 10:07
schestowitzLike in the UK...Aug 14 10:07
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Aug 14 11:21
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:21
schestowitz> I know you hate email, but for me it's the simplest and quickest way toAug 14 11:21
schestowitz> send stuff...I promise not to do too much of it. Aug 14 11:21
schestowitzI love E-mail from non-work related people :-) I dread getting assignments by mail...Aug 14 11:21
schestowitz Aug 14 11:21
schestowitz> I've had a very challenging summer.  Storms and wind and dust and powerAug 14 11:21
schestowitz> outages galore. I had everything on battery backups, but it didn't saveAug 14 11:21
schestowitz> things this year.  I lost a lot of electronics.  Most of my computersAug 14 11:21
schestowitz> were fairly old though, and so were the battery backups.  So I'veAug 14 11:21
schestowitz> started fresh. Tossed out (to recyclers or charity shops) tons of oldAug 14 11:21
schestowitz> spare parts and semi-dead computers. Refurbished my office/studioAug 14 11:21
schestowitz> (painted everything and added new lighting and chairs, mostly).Aug 14 11:21
schestowitzI too redid some of the main rig http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2011/08/10/server-at-home/Aug 14 11:21
schestowitz> Also replaced 3 battery backups with better models, bought 2 newAug 14 11:21
schestowitz> monitors, and my son sent me new computer parts (yay!  THIS is why weAug 14 11:21
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schestowitz> have children!...lol)Aug 14 11:21
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:21
schestowitz> So, I'm almost back in business.  Still have a bit more to finish up. Aug 14 11:21
schestowitz> My goal of retiring at the end of this year is still on track, and myAug 14 11:22
schestowitz> new "career" in political/technology-related cartooning is under way.  IAug 14 11:22
schestowitz> can't wait!Aug 14 11:22
schestowitzPolitics matter a lot right now. Here we have a crisis. And I made my own little cartoon some days ago... http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2011/08/11/british-censorship/Aug 14 11:22
schestowitz> Anyway, I saw the article on Techrights today about Motorola maybeAug 14 11:22
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schestowitz> considering some patent aggression against Android.  I've been trying toAug 14 11:22
schestowitz> make some sense of it. It reminds me of FM's early FUD having to do withAug 14 11:22
schestowitz> IBM supposedly threatening Hercules over patents.Aug 14 11:22
schestowitzYes, this is why I have been sceptical. FM is still doing a lot of damage. His latest smear (comes through Microsoft PR that brief him) is that Android is proprietary. He shoved it into the news.Aug 14 11:22
schestowitz> What confused me was that I remembered Microsoft suing Motorola overAug 14 11:22
schestowitz> Android and xbox patents last year, so it seems reasonable for MotorolaAug 14 11:22
schestowitz> to flex its patent muscles a bit. But the Icahn situation is veryAug 14 11:22
schestowitz> disturbing, and likely why the FM-type headlines are happening. Aug 14 11:22
schestowitzI found a very depressed person who was angered by this lobbyist. He sent me mail.Aug 14 11:22
schestowitz> Anyway, here are the links I found. It's mostly old news and might notAug 14 11:22
schestowitz> be helpful, but it might hold some clues into what's happening now.Aug 14 11:22
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:22
schestowitz> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/11/microsoft-sues-motorola.htmlAug 14 11:22
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:22
TechrightsSocialTitle: Microsoft sues Motorola, again - latimes.com .::. Size~: 111.27 KBAug 14 11:22
schestowitz> http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/01/android-lawsuits/Aug 14 11:22
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:22
TechrightsSocialTitle: Another Indirect Android Lawsuit As Microsoft Sues Motorola. This Is Getting Out Of Control | TechCrunch .::. Size~: 57.08 KBAug 14 11:22
schestowitz> http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/10/motorola-strikes-back-sues-microsoft-for-infringement-of-16-patents/Aug 14 11:22
schestowitzMotorola is not worth that much anymore. For Microsoft to enlist Motorola into its cartel through entryism would be a solid investment, just like the Yahoo affair (Microsoft stole its search userbase).Aug 14 11:22
TechrightsSocialTitle: Motorola Strikes Back, Sues Microsoft For Infringement Of 16 Patents | TechCrunch .::. Size~: 57.24 KBAug 14 11:22
schestowitz> I hope you had a great vacation and that all is well with you.Aug 14 11:22
schestowitz> Take good care,Aug 14 11:22
schestowitzYes, I still try to set up some things here more properly and I started catching up again with Gates (lost track in February).Aug 14 11:22
schestowitz> http://cryptome.org/0003/apple/apple-suits.htmAug 14 11:27
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:27
TechrightsSocialTitle: Apple iPhone and iPad Patent Suits .::. Size~: 8.03 KBAug 14 11:27
schestowitz> Hi !Aug 14 11:27
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:27
schestowitz> It was nice going to the museum.  I used to go all the time but now I don’t have the luxury of going and the last time I went was last December.  Haven’t been to a movie since 2004 or 2005 either  :---(Aug 14 11:27
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:27
schestowitz> Tonight I noticed Florian Muller talking on Twitter with Nilay Patel.  All I can say is “birds of a feather…”Aug 14 11:27
schestowitzYes, Muller previously used Nilay Patel to plant erroneous stories in Engadget IIRC. Patel and Muller gor nailed for it. Like I said before, it's 'embedded journalist' -- lobbyists pretending to be balanced and using papers to pass propaganda as "objective".Aug 14 11:27
schestowitz> Because I told Nilay Patel my story long ago and he said he saw nothing wrong with Weil Gotshal & Manges patenting things for me which mysteriously end up as Apple products, with Apple then using WG&M to sue other companies for cloning, without everAug 14 11:27
schestowitz> disclosing to the courts their history with me.  When I tell other lawyers about what Nilay said, they laugh and tell me they can’t do that.Aug 14 11:27
schestowitzWhat is Nilay's role beyond 'journalism'?Aug 14 11:28
schestowitz Aug 14 11:28
schestowitz> Florian Muller and Nilay Patel are themselves evidence that the patent system doesn’t work.  They are two people standing on a soap box advertising Aug 14 11:28
schestowitz> themselves as the voice of reason, not only spouting buffoonery, but personally flat out aiding & abetting huge criminality.Aug 14 11:28
schestowitzLobbying is a sort of criminality, but it's legalised by the rich, who need lobbying.Aug 14 11:28
schestowitz> @reckless (Nilay Patel’s twitter name)  in reply to @LKM (“3 days ago” from Saturday august 13th, 2011): Isn’t the whole point of the patent Aug 14 11:28
schestowitz> system to incentivise people to “come up with different things to patent”?  Where’s the failure?  Aug 14 11:28
schestowitzLOL.Aug 14 11:28
schestowitz> “Where’s the failure?” asks Patel?  <<<-Look in the mirror, Nilay!Aug 14 11:28
schestowitzLOL.Aug 14 11:28
schestowitz> ….I believe my story provides strong evidence that Microsoft and Apple are conspiring in massively illegal ways on multiple continentsAug 14 11:28
schestowitz> to thwart fair competition (i.e. ganging up against Google).  And that not only does the patent system NOT provide protection,Aug 14 11:28
schestowitz> but it actually ENCOURAGES intellectual property crime, and therefore hinders invention.  (Victims don’t continue inventing, Nilay…they stop! ) Aug 14 11:28
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:28
schestowitz I further believe that even worse than all that, the patent system supplies a scaffold for “simple IP theft” to snowball into criminality on a breadth & Aug 14 11:28
schestowitz> scale that totally dwarfs the infringement aspects: SEC fraud, perjury, deceiving regulatory agencies, collusion to thwart fair competition, an open Aug 14 11:28
schestowitz> invitation for the Florians and Nilays of the world to aid & abet, etc. Aug 14 11:28
schestowitzI think we should publish these as a blog post, if you permit.Aug 14 11:28
schestowitz> The government HAS TO intervene here.  This is a disease that has grown far bigger than the patent dimension.Aug 14 11:28
schestowitzThe problem is that the government is in bad with the companies, not serving people's interests.criminalityAug 14 11:28
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schestowitz> Aug 14 11:30
schestowitz> The Apple injunction against Samsung should be nullified, at the very least, because the design patents Apple used to block Samsung’s Android TabletAug 14 11:30
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:30
schestowitzwith are of dubious validity -- in view of prior art revealed by a Wikileaks affiliate in December 2010 (link beneath) …but supressed by the mainstream news:Aug 14 11:30
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:30
schestowitz> http://cryptome.org/0003/apple/apple-suits.htmAug 14 11:31
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schestowitz> Aug 14 11:31
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schestowitzInteresting.Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> Also….Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> This is an excerpt of an email I sent a journalist one week before the Apple injunction against the Samsung Tablet happened, so it does not factor Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:31
schestowitzthat into the picture  ==>Aug 14 11:31
schestowitzJournalists treat feedback like they treat blog comments. Their heart and their instructions come from other places.Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> Dear xxxxxxx,Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> This is sort of the “Monarch Notes” condensed version of what is happening…Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> Steve Jobs did not invent the iPhone or iPad.  Nor did anybody at Apple.  He pulled a fast one on the public on a scale that makes Bernie Madoff look like crossing on a red light.Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> Most of Apple’s rivals now know this, and that is why they have all been able to clone the iPhone and iPad with impunity.  Apple has made gestures of enforcement, but mainly for show to the public, and to fool shareholders, and to date it has not been able to prevent so much as one company from cloning. [<<-that sentence is out of date since this email was sent a week before the Apple Samsung European injunction]   But byAug 14 11:31
schestowitzattempting to fool the public and Wall Street, Steve Jobs has orchestrated massive patent fraud, securities fraud, “fraud on the court”, perjury, subornation of perjury, and the list goes on & on.Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> Google “Android” phones and tablets are now extremely successful and represent the chief competitor to the iPhone and iPad. Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> This is an excerpt from a news story from August 3, 2011 :Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> “Google's top legal officer [namely David Drummond]  today posted a scathing indictment of adversaries Apple, Microsoft, and Oracle for pursuing "bogus" patent claims…”Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> “Drummond begins his post, noting what strange bedfellows Apple and Microsoft make.”Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> “ ‘I have worked in the tech sector for over two decades. Microsoft and Apple have always been at each other's throats, so when they get into bed together you have to start wondering what's going on,’  Drummond writes.”Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> (from here  http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-20087693-93/googles-top-lawyer-rips-apple-microsoft-and-oracle/#ixzz1U2EWx100  )Aug 14 11:31
schestowitzYes, it has been obvious.Aug 14 11:31
TechrightsSocialTitle: Google's top lawyer rips Apple, Microsoft and Oracle | Digital Media - CNET News .::. Size~: 73.55 KBAug 14 11:31
schestowitz Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> ….but what Google's top legal officer David Drummond  left out is *WHY*, when literally the whole world believes that Apple, and specifically Steve Jobs, invented the technology Google has “villainously copied” (as Steve Jobs himself has stated to the press).Aug 14 11:31
schestowitzJobs once admitted that they shamelessly copy other people's stuff. The Apple PR department just pay a lot of money to newspapers now, so the truth gets obscured.Aug 14 11:31
schestowitz> …why are Microsoft and Apple in bed with each other when they have famously hated each other…as David Drummond mentioned…for decades???Aug 14 11:34
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:34
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:34
schestowitz> ..and the reason is because Bill Gates saw the designs for the iPhone and iPad between 1998-2000 --- BEFORE Steve Jobs did !  And in response to seeing the designs, in 2000 Bill Gates declared the tablet will be “the format that will dominate computing within 5 years”.  Bill Gates prediction of the amount of time involved was quite accurate, but with a caveat.  The timeAug 14 11:34
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:34
schestowitzcalculation needs to be based on the release date of the iPhone, not 2000, because Bill Gates chose not to reduce the iPhone to practice.  So if you start with the date the iPhone went on sale, June 29, 2007 and add 5 years to that, you get summer of 2012.  The finger touch controlled, tablet format, Internet access device which forms the “reference design” for the iPhone is already the dominant form factor for smart Aug 14 11:34
schestowitzphones, now in 2011.  And Tablets, which are just larger iPhones, are rapidly displacing other format computing devices.  So by the summer of 2012, Bill Gates’Aug 14 11:34
schestowitz>  prediction of a “5 year time frame” looks quite good!Aug 14 11:34
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:34
schestowitz> Why is Microsoft ganging up with Apple against Google, as Google has accused, instead of all three fighting each other as straightfoward competition would predict?Aug 14 11:34
schestowitzMicrosoft does not like to compete because it cannot. As for Apple, it's an opportunist here.Aug 14 11:34
schestowitz> Because starting 1998 and reaching a crescendo in 2001, Bill Gates hired the law firm Weil Gotshal & Manges to help Microsoft steal the designs for the iPhone and iPad, even though Microsoft never went full out with their plan as Apple did.  And it was precisely because of what Microsoft did during that time period, Aug 14 11:35
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:35
schestowitzthat led to Steve Jobs getting to see the designs for the iPhone.  The designs were shown to Steve Jobs precisely because Apple was Microsoft’s enemy – as Google top lawyer David Drummond alluded to.Aug 14 11:35
schestowitzI guess so.Aug 14 11:35
schestowitz> “Microsoft and Apple have always been at each other's throats, so when they get into bed together you have to start wondering what's going on,” – David Drummond of GoogleAug 14 11:35
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:35
schestowitz> …so if Microsoft is stealing, and you cannot fight a giant like Microsoft, show Microsoft’s enemy (=Apple).Aug 14 11:35
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:35
schestowitz> But that naïve belief led to Steve Jobs getting the designs to the iPhone, which Microsoft itself ultimately did not implement, but Apple did!Aug 14 11:35
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:35
schestowitz> And just as Bill Gates went to hire Weil Gotshal & Manges, so did Steve Jobs.  Jobs even used WG&M to sue Motorola and others for “stealing the iPhone from Apple” (Apple’s words), and to defend Apple from Elan Microelectronics’ law suit.  And that may have been a fatal error because in doing so, Weil Gotshal & Manges (and Apple) supplied evidence of obstruction of justice in a federal court case by concealing from Aug 14 11:35
schestowitzthe court that they (WG&M) helped patent the iPhone’s design years earlier --- and NOT for Apple (or Microsoft)!Aug 14 11:35
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:35
schestowitz> And because of the three-way racketeering conspiracy between Apple, Microsoft, and Weil Gotshal & Manges that came to pass, Apple and Microsoft are “in bed with each other” as Google just said.Aug 14 11:35
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:35
schestowitz> And now **BOTH** Apple’s top patent lawyer (Richard Lutton)  and the head of patents at Weil Gotshal & Manges (Matt Powers)  have resigned during the past month!Aug 14 11:35
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:35
schestowitz> There is far, far more to the story but hopefully this gives you slightly more perspective to go along with the Wikileaks data from December 2010 linked to below.Aug 14 11:35
schestowitz> Aug 14 11:35
schestowitz> http://cryptome.org/0003/apple/apple-suits.htmAug 14 11:35
schestowitzThat helps, but can this information be published in Techrights?Aug 14 11:35
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schestowitzI'll need to organise these somehowAug 14 12:17
schestowitzI got groklaw involved tooAug 14 12:17
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/manufjobs/status/102695931362807808Aug 14 12:18
TechrightsSocial@manufjobs: @schestowitz Glad multinationals worrying. Simple solution. Bring our #manufacturing jobs back. Only way to save #USA. http://ow.ly/62GLPAug 14 12:18
TechrightsSocial-> Title: Ed Says:  Only one way to solve our job and debt problem .::. Size~: 112.32 KBAug 14 12:18
schestowitzThey'd have to lower minimum wage and still have national debt issuesAug 14 12:19
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schestowitz> Hi Roy,Aug 14 13:53
schestowitz> Aug 14 13:53
schestowitz> It's too bad that FM hasn't become a target of Anonymous (like AndrewAug 14 13:53
schestowitz> Crossley was), FM's smug arrogance, along with his disingenuous (andAug 14 13:53
schestowitz> seemingly endless) campaign of disinformation, is every bit asAug 14 13:53
schestowitz> disturbing as Crossley's, and every bit as deserving of having hisAug 14 13:53
schestowitz> paymasters exposed.Aug 14 13:53
schestowitz> Aug 14 13:54
schestowitz> I've been practicing my caricature-drawing skills using FM and SweatyAug 14 13:54
schestowitz> Steve...lol.  I haven't decided (yet) whether to actually doAug 14 13:54
schestowitz> recognisable caricatures, or to just make up some basic cartoonAug 14 13:54
schestowitz> characters that only vaguely resemble the real culprits...I'd hate toAug 14 13:54
schestowitz> become the target of a stupid lawsuit for somehow offending the vanityAug 14 13:54
schestowitz> of a bunch of crooks.  :)Aug 14 13:54
schestowitz> Aug 14 13:54
schestowitz> The current patent wars are pretty astounding. We've all known they wereAug 14 13:54
schestowitz> coming, but I never dreamed it would all escalate so far so fast. Aug 14 13:54
schestowitzI threw aside a lot of my life -- love life included -- in order to become involved in the Boycott Novell site, which now proves that it was right all along and gets endorsement from some journalists who used to be sceptical of it. Aug 14 13:54
schestowitzGenerally, Linux is winning (not the desktop yet), so life is good...Aug 14 13:54
schestowitz> I like your three monitors setup. That's VERY cool!  I haven't triedAug 14 13:54
schestowitz> doing that yet, but I might get more monitors this year and see if I canAug 14 13:54
schestowitz> set up at least two monitors on my main computer. It feels strange notAug 14 13:54
schestowitz> to have all those old computers around here anymore, I'm down to justAug 14 13:54
schestowitz> two desktop rigs and two aging laptops but I'm glad to have more spaceAug 14 13:54
schestowitz> now. Aug 14 13:54
schestowitzI need to install -- via USB -- some distro like Debian on an old server tonight. I really DON'T look forward to it.Aug 14 13:54
schestowitz> Guess I better go let the dog out (it's 5:30 am here) and grab someAug 14 13:54
schestowitz> breakfast.Aug 14 13:54
schestowitz> Aug 14 13:54
schestowitz> 'Bye, for now...Take good care!Aug 14 13:54
schestowitzThanks, you too. BTW, since we last spoke PJ had kind of stepped aside. I sometimes wonder how she passes her time after 8 years of 100+ hours per week of Groklaw.Aug 14 13:54
qu1j0t3'For her, the societal and economic malaise underpinning the recession did not begin in 2008, with Lehman's collapse, and it is unending now; talk of President Barack Obama's hope and recovery brings laughter. “It's so much worse, it's like, the people that have money, well, they're still going to continue to have money. People that have a little money, they're not going to have it for Aug 14 15:27
qu1j0t3very long. And the people that have no money, well, they're just …,” Ms. Johnson says over lunch on her way to a job interview.Aug 14 15:27
qu1j0t3http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/welcome-to-chicago-americas-capital-of-volatility/article2128559/Aug 14 15:27
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schestowitzqu1j0t3:  http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/102722997017776128Aug 14 16:50
TechrightsSocial@wikileaks: RT @schestowitz: Rudolf Elmer should not be released, he shown be flown to a Nobel Prize ceremony. We need more people like him.Aug 14 16:50
schestowitz\0/Aug 14 16:50
schestowitzqu1j0t3: yes, chicago is deep in the ***, I read about it and hear about it all the timeAug 14 16:51
schestowitzused to be somewhat of a crime centre even ages agoAug 14 16:51
schestowitzdick tracy and all..Aug 14 16:51
schestowitzI got some new followers from wikileaks citing meAug 14 16:52
schestowitzand an old girls I used to flirt with included :-) hours agoAug 14 16:52
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/SuzieBluez/status/102757483654811648?iid=am-150023031913133342680429894&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208Aug 14 16:52
TechrightsSocial@SuzieBluez: Twitter is without a doubt the best way to share and discover what is happening right now.Aug 14 16:52
schestowitz"Roy you are a twitteraholic!! "Aug 14 16:53
schestowitz> For the record, while we work hard to provide factual content on GroklawAug 14 16:55
schestowitz> and are generally objective in our analysis, we (both the publicationAug 14 16:55
schestowitz> and me personally) hold and convey the view that patenting of softwareAug 14 16:55
schestowitz> has not been a good thing and has done little to advance innovation.  InAug 14 16:55
schestowitz> part I hold that view for what appears to be your story, i.e., a patentAug 14 16:55
schestowitz> is only worth the money (and motive) put behind it, and large,Aug 14 16:55
schestowitz> established players will either attempt to buy them up or ignore them onAug 14 16:55
schestowitz> the belief that they will either never be sued or that they can overcomeAug 14 16:55
schestowitz> them in court (or simply can afford to pay the damages if they lose). Aug 14 16:55
schestowitz> They are playing the odds.Aug 14 16:55
schestowitz> Aug 14 16:55
schestowitz> A number of large entities, including Microsoft and IntellectualAug 14 16:55
schestowitz> Ventures, frequently transfer patents they want enforced to aAug 14 16:55
schestowitz> non-producing entity (a troll) with the knowledge that (a) the NPE isAug 14 16:55
schestowitz> immune to infringement counterclaims (mutually assured destruction) andAug 14 16:55
schestowitz> (b) they can keep a cleaner image by maintaining that they rarelyAug 14 16:55
schestowitz> enforce their own patents.Aug 14 16:55
schestowitz> Aug 14 16:55
schestowitz> As a first step toward potentially collaborating with each other, IAug 14 16:55
schestowitz> would appreciate your sharing your view on what an optimal outcome wouldAug 14 16:55
schestowitz> be for you.Aug 14 16:55
schestowitz> Aug 14 16:55
schestowitz> I look forward to hearing from you.Aug 14 16:55
qu1j0t3schestowitz: but what she is saying is not about Chicago.Aug 14 17:03
qu1j0t3schestowitz: it's about all of us. Those with a lot of money will keep it. Those with 'some' will lose it. And those with none (ukriots) are doomed...Aug 14 17:03
qu1j0t3schestowitz: SuzieBluez is only quoting Twitter's main marketing slogan :)Aug 14 17:04
schestowitz> For the record, while we work hard to provide factual content on GroklawAug 14 17:13
schestowitz> and are generally objective in our analysis, we (both the publicationAug 14 17:13
schestowitz> and me personally) hold and convey the view that patenting of softwareAug 14 17:13
schestowitz> has not been a good thing and has done little to advance innovation.  InAug 14 17:13
schestowitz> part I hold that view for what appears to be your story, i.e., a patentAug 14 17:13
schestowitz> is only worth the money (and motive) put behind it, and large,Aug 14 17:13
schestowitz> established players will either attempt to buy them up or ignore them onAug 14 17:13
schestowitz> the belief that they will either never be sued or that they can overcomeAug 14 17:13
schestowitz> them in court (or simply can afford to pay the damages if they lose). Aug 14 17:13
schestowitz> They are playing the odds.Aug 14 17:13
schestowitz> Aug 14 17:13
schestowitz> A number of large entities, including Microsoft and IntellectualAug 14 17:13
schestowitz> Ventures, frequently transfer patents they want enforced to aAug 14 17:13
schestowitz> non-producing entity (a troll) with the knowledge that (a) the NPE isAug 14 17:13
schestowitz> immune to infringement counterclaims (mutually assured destruction) andAug 14 17:13
schestowitz> (b) they can keep a cleaner image by maintaining that they rarelyAug 14 17:13
schestowitz> enforce their own patents.Aug 14 17:13
schestowitz> Aug 14 17:13
schestowitz> As a first step toward potentially collaborating with each other, IAug 14 17:13
schestowitz> would appreciate your sharing your view on what an optimal outcome wouldAug 14 17:13
schestowitz> be for you.Aug 14 17:13
schestowitz> Aug 14 17:13
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2011/08/14/wikileaks-and-riots/Aug 14 17:13
schestowitzcrapAug 14 17:13
TechrightsSocialTitle: schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » Wikileaks Makes the World More Civilised .::. Size~: 36.23 KBAug 14 17:13
schestowitzI mispastedAug 14 17:13
schestowitzqu1j0t3: Suzie is one I have know since 2003Aug 14 17:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/JohnPenguin/status/102723428242571264Aug 14 17:23
TechrightsSocial@JohnPenguin: @wikileaks @schestowitz uh... Wrong word. he *should be flown. Just trying to help.Aug 14 17:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/102722997017776128Aug 14 17:24
TechrightsSocial@wikileaks: RT @schestowitz: Rudolf Elmer should not be released, he shown be flown to a Nobel Prize ceremony. We need more people like him.Aug 14 17:24
schestowitzI see the WL effect now...Aug 14 17:24
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/mediacarina/status/102723926429409280Aug 14 17:24
TechrightsSocial@mediacarina: @wikileaks @schestowitz Ministerpräsident CarstensenInObligationOfMasskillers with State securityInObligationOfAhmadinedschad?Aug 14 17:24
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/manufjobs/status/102759071265984512Aug 14 17:25
TechrightsSocial@manufjobs: @schestowitz Amers back to work, pay taxes, lower gov deficit. Incr #manufacturing = incr beneficial ripple effect. Less welfare, food stampAug 14 17:25
schestowitzIndeed. But it's optimistic.. overly so.Aug 14 17:25
qu1j0t3it's how things have functioned until now.Aug 14 17:28
qu1j0t3once we remove the cancers that have taken over, we can go back to a sane modelAug 14 17:28
qu1j0t3i dont think it will happen either, but we either fight the cancer or give upAug 14 17:29
schestowitzyeahAug 14 17:29
schestowitzyou too started to tweeting more recentlyAug 14 17:30
schestowitzTimes of unrest, times of opportunitiesAug 14 17:30
qu1j0t3yes you'll notice the pattern of my tweetsAug 14 17:33
qu1j0t3major spikes at g20, freedom flotilla, riotsAug 14 17:33
qu1j0t3mainly because I want to challenge the mainstream liesAug 14 17:33
qu1j0t3these are all wedge issuesAug 14 17:34
qu1j0t3i don't like fuelling the fire but i don't see any optionAug 14 17:34
qu1j0t3oh, also spikes at military actions like LibyaAug 14 17:34
qu1j0t3and electionsAug 14 17:34
qu1j0t3usual stuffAug 14 17:34
qu1j0t3i don't like being reactive but.. again.. see no option except to fall silent in generalAug 14 17:35
qu1j0t3schestowitz: remember we were talking about Facebook + Twitter doing spy depts' jobs? it's real: https://twitter.com/#!/PunkPatriot/status/102564216329863168Aug 14 17:39
TechrightsSocial@PunkPatriot: Starting from this point in the film: how facebook "tags" were used by Bahrain Intelligence to round up dissidents... http://t.co/iuEGS2hAug 14 17:39
TechrightsSocial-> Title: Bahrain: Shouting in the dark       - YouTube .::. Size~: 106.6 KBAug 14 17:39
schestowitz[17:34] <qu1j0t3> oh, also spikes at military actions like LibyaAug 14 17:44
schestowitzEgypt ratherAug 14 17:44
schestowitzLibya was when I started losing interestAug 14 17:45
schestowitzYou may have noticed itAug 14 17:45
schestowitzqu1j0t3: I RTd that one from PunkPatriotAug 14 17:45
schestowitzBachmann= polar issueAug 14 17:46
schestowitzI won't botherAug 14 17:46
schestowitzLeft right right left..Aug 14 17:46
schestowitzSame BSAug 14 17:46
schestowitzJust lost subs when I played this gameAug 14 17:46
schestowitzBetter to abolish the Big LieAug 14 17:46
schestowitzNot one of the two Bgi partiesAug 14 17:46
schestowitzAnd not to pose the Cameron issue as conservative in the UKAug 14 17:46
schestowitzBut as govt/police/authority issueAug 14 17:46
schestowitzRegardless of the leader at that timeAug 14 17:47
schestowitzSee Obama BushAug 14 17:47
schestowitzSame policiesAug 14 17:47
schestowitze.g. re warAug 14 17:47
schestowitzSo why blame BushAug 14 17:47
schestowitzBlame his system..Aug 14 17:47
qu1j0t3schestowitz: I think the Establishment wants Obama re-elected, which is why the Rep candidates are extremists this time around (incl Palin)Aug 14 18:33
qu1j0t3schestowitz: and also why the NYT is also taking a critical tack vs GOP (which will fool nearly everybody)Aug 14 18:33
qu1j0t3IOW, they're playing the center again ... as alwaysAug 14 18:33
qu1j0t3schestowitz: more explicitly a one-party systemAug 14 18:34
qu1j0t3schestowitz: this is good https://twitter.com/#!/qu1j0t3/status/102792792820027393Aug 14 18:35
TechrightsSocial@qu1j0t3: '[one notices] rhetorical overload &..fierce denial of any political dimension; [but] austerity causes riots' http://t.co/WJgI3IX #ukriotsAug 14 18:35
TechrightsSocial-> Title: What happened in London? Just an adjustment of the Riot Index - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 102.2 KBAug 14 18:35
schestowitz> /"...BTW, since we last spoke PJ had kind of stepped aside.Aug 14 18:58
schestowitz> I sometimes wonder how she passes her time after 8 years of 100+ hoursAug 14 18:58
schestowitz> per week of Groklaw."/Aug 14 18:58
schestowitz> Aug 14 18:58
schestowitz> I think she's still plenty busy.  The Comes archives are still beingAug 14 18:58
schestowitz> worked on, and she's going through all the past articles and making sureAug 14 18:58
schestowitz> links work, and tracking down missing pieces...and there should be aAug 14 18:58
schestowitz> couple of new themes soon (I helped a bit on creating them).  Also, sheAug 14 18:58
schestowitz> still does a LOT of research. Aug 14 18:58
schestowitzVery good. We need those forces at work...Aug 14 18:58
schestowitz> The thing is, now she doesn't have the pressure that she had before. Aug 14 18:58
schestowitz> Nowadays she can do things at her own pace and take time off withoutAug 14 18:58
schestowitz> having to announce it.Aug 14 18:58
schestowitzYes, when I took a break the trolls started to make stuff up and some people thought something happened to me. I really had to avoid reading that.Aug 14 18:59
schestowitz> I imagine it took some time for her to decompress after all those yearsAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> of insane work hours.  That's one of the reasons I've begun planningAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> ways to keep busy when I stop working.  I have an idea I'll keep a fewAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> old clients, since they'll be retiring soon too.  But there's no way I'dAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> ever just retire and do nothing.  Work has always (well, mostly always)Aug 14 18:59
schestowitz> been fun, for me. So I'll probably just keep on doing what I love,Aug 14 18:59
schestowitz> whether I get paid, or not.Aug 14 18:59
schestowitzA lot of people have jobs they hate and they die before they ever reach retirement age. Actually, it's those who love their work who are more likely to enjoy longevity. Life is unfair.Aug 14 18:59
schestowitz> /"I threw aside a lot of my life -- love life included -- in order toAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> become involved in the Boycott Novell site, which now proves that it wasAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> right all along and gets endorsement from some journalists who used toAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> be sceptical of it."/Aug 14 18:59
schestowitz> Aug 14 18:59
schestowitz> Roy, I am so very proud of you. I know you've sacrificed a lot and tookAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> a lot of mean-spirited crap from people who refused (oftenAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> intentionally) to understand what you were doing.  But you stayed theAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> course and never once gave up.Aug 14 18:59
schestowitzToday I found out that another Mono troll who smeared me and attacked us was in fact a Microsoft intern. Muktware found that out. Aug 14 18:59
schestowitz> I remember WAY back in the early days of Digg, when I first startedAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> following your posts. I recognized exactly what you were trying to do.Aug 14 18:59
schestowitz> You've come a long way since then and it's a wonderful accomplishment.Aug 14 18:59
schestowitz> You've definitely paid your dues and deserve respect.Aug 14 18:59
schestowitzThanks. By the way, today I got retweeted by Wikileaks (the official account) with over a million followers. It's very rewarding because they almost never retweet.Aug 14 18:59
schestowitz> Once I've gotten past this daily work-grind, I intend to join the frayAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> again and see if I can contribute something useful too.  :)  Both youAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> and Tim have invited me to be on Techbytes, but I want to have somethingAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> to talk about first.  I think my series of cartoons might be a goodAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> topic.  :)Aug 14 18:59
schestowitzYes, and the use of humour to get across strong messages on hard subjects maybe. Aug 14 18:59
schestowitz> Good luck with the server install.  I've just spent 3 days trying toAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> make up my mind what distro I wanted to use on my new work machine (it'sAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> got 16 GB Ram, and an AMD Phenom II 6 core processor, and a fancy newAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> video card - I almost fainted in shock when I opened the package my sonAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> sent!).  Putting the parts together was the easy part.  Setting up theAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> software has been a chore.Aug 14 18:59
schestowitzI've just been allocated a chore for 1AM. Not enjoying it today... and the Aug 14 18:59
schestowitzweather has been terrible for weeks.Aug 14 18:59
schestowitz> I am not a complainer, I generally just learn how to customize things inAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> my own way, and don't get too upset when defaults are crappy...like withAug 14 18:59
schestowitz> Unity...uge...Aug 14 19:00
schestowitzI didn't get a change to try it. I used an old GNOME and set up MintAug 14 19:00
schestowitzfor the family.Aug 14 19:00
schestowitz> I've tried Fedora with Gnome 3, Ubuntu Natty using Unity, and thenAug 14 19:00
schestowitz> ('cause Unity sucks) the classic desktop, Mint Natty with old Gnome, andAug 14 19:00
schestowitz> Kubuntu. I still can't make up my mind...the good news is that all ofAug 14 19:00
schestowitz> them work great with my new computers. They just aren't set up the way IAug 14 19:00
schestowitz> want 'em...yet.  :)Aug 14 19:00
schestowitzWindows is not all that great either, but people lack the choice *you* have. :-)Aug 14 19:00
schestowitz> Ok, I better get back to my chores.  Keep up the good work, and takeAug 14 19:00
schestowitz> good care of yourself.Aug 14 19:00
schestowitzThanks.Aug 14 19:00
schestowitz> I'll let you know as soon as I've got some 'toons finished.  :)Aug 14 19:00
schestowitzDon't break a golden chairlet. :-pAug 14 19:00
schestowitz^^ this is internal techrights stuffAug 14 19:00
schestowitzJust thought I'd throw that inAug 14 19:00
schestowitzWe have grown our # of volunteersAug 14 19:00
schestowitzAnd now there are guest writers tooAug 14 19:00
schestowitzqu1j0t3/other:  maybe you can help..Aug 14 19:40
schestowitzhttp://www.gratte.net/docs/html/usb_boot.htmlAug 14 19:40
TechrightsSocialTitle: 1.1.3. Booting from USB storage .::. Size~: 12.58 KBAug 14 19:40
schestowitzin  debian, awardbios usb boot does not seem to workAug 14 19:41
schestowitzno matter the type of usb device (they give 4 options) I chooseAug 14 19:41
schestowitzI'll ask in th debian channelAug 14 19:45
schestowitzah. they helped solve that :-)Aug 14 20:04
schestowitzinstalling...Aug 14 20:04
schestowitz[19:48] <schestowitz> Hi, I am setting up a server using a USB key to which I 'sudo cat debian-6.0.2.1-i386-businesscard.iso > /dev/sde1' successfully. The device is detected correctly as a CD under my desktop. When passing it to the server, phoenix awardbios does not recognise it, just skipping it. I tried  USB-FDD, USB-ZIP, USB-CDROM and USB-HDD in the BIOS in vain. It's a server without optical drives, 4 USB slots.Aug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:49] <schestowitz> I think I might be doing something wrong when it comes to setting up the bios, read all the debian docs several times, didn't help me identify the problemAug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:49] <nutron> schestowitz: only because I recently went through this, I suggest changing your hard drive boot order in case your usb stick is detected as a hard drive.Aug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:49] <cusco> schestowitz: usb-hdd should workAug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:50] <cusco> I alwyas set up usb sticks with unetbootin thoAug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:50] <schestowitz> ne0h|track: it's shown as CD-ROM in KDEAug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:51] <schestowitz> cusco: let me try that again, failing that I'll use unetbooitinAug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:53] <schestowitz> usb-hdd just sort of makes the boot process hang after "Verifying DMI Pool Data..."Aug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:54] <babilen> schestowitz: unetbootin wouldn't work -- you want "cat debian-6.0.2.1-i386-businesscard.iso > /dev/sdb" (not /dev/sdb1)Aug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:54] <babilen> schestowitz: STOP!Aug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:54] <schestowitz> vader--: it's mounted from /dev/sdb1Aug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:55] <babilen> schestowitz: It is: cat debian-6.0.2.1-i386-businesscard.iso > /dev/sdeAug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:55] <babilen> schestowitz: (assuming that /dev/sde is indeed the block device for the usb stick)Aug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:55] <schestowitz> based on the dmesgAug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:55] <schestowitz> [1979206.617317]  sdb: sdb1Aug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:55] <schestowitz> is it sbd then?Aug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:56] <babilen> Ok, that that case the original command I gave you is the one you wantAug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:56] <babilen> schestowitz: yesAug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:56] <schestowitz> ahaAug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:56] <babilen> schestowitz: And do that as root (sudo -i)Aug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:58] <Bushmills> you'd want to umount firstAug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:59] <babilen> Bushmills: good call!Aug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:59] <schestowitz> iso9660 is the type it used to beAug 14 20:09
schestowitz[19:59] <schestowitz> aha!Aug 14 20:10
schestowitz[19:59] <babilen> schestowitz: unmount it first, then "cat debian-6.0.2.1-i386-businesscard.iso > /dev/sdb ; sync"Aug 14 20:10
schestowitz[20:00] <schestowitz> happinessAug 14 20:10
schestowitz[20:03] <schestowitz> i get the graphical menu now, low res, press "install", it sort of freezes, lag when I press numlockAug 14 20:10
schestowitz[20:04] <schestowitz> ah, doneAug 14 20:10
schestowitz[20:08] <schestowitz> thanks a million, folks.Aug 14 20:10
schestowitzI need to install http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware nowAug 14 20:11
TechrightsSocialTitle: Firmware - Debian Wiki .::. Size~: 82.35 KBAug 14 20:11
schestowitzhttp://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/05/11/tip-debian-linux-kernel-firmware-issues-ethernet-drivers-missing/Aug 14 20:15
TechrightsSocialTitle: Debian Linux firmware drivers missing in kernel - Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/ | Debian Ubuntu Linux Solutions Blog .::. Size~: 76.21 KBAug 14 20:16
schestowitzloaded successfully after much hassleAug 14 20:22
schestowitzI needed firmware for Intel EthernetAug 14 20:22
schestowitznetwork name "liberty"Aug 14 20:22
schestowitz:-)Aug 14 20:22
schestowitzroy@roy:/media/ARCHOS 1/firmware-nonfree$ find | grep e100Aug 14 20:37
schestowitz./linux-nonfree/e100Aug 14 20:37
schestowitz./linux-nonfree/e100/d101s_ucode.binAug 14 20:37
schestowitz./linux-nonfree/e100/d101m_ucode.binAug 14 20:37
schestowitz./linux-nonfree/e100/d102e_ucode.binAug 14 20:37
qu1j0t3schestowitz: http://pushpoppress.com/ourchoice/Aug 14 20:47
TechrightsSocialTitle: Push Pop Press — Al Gore's Our Choice .::. Size~: 31.38 KBAug 14 20:47
schestowitzfor i i i i Aug 14 21:41
schestowitzipad..Aug 14 21:41
schestowitzI don't care much for Gore anymoreAug 14 21:41
schestowitzI did 10 years agoAug 14 21:41
schestowitzI thought his party could do goodAug 14 21:41
schestowitzNow he gives some ammo for the Big Oil companies because he overstates the risksAug 14 21:42
schestowitzto sell films and get elecred as emergency time president or somethingAug 14 21:42
schestowitzqu1j0t3: a friend of mine reckons there are more riots comingAug 14 22:24
schestowitzThe the PM tries to pre-emptively equip himself with rubber bullets, water cannons etc.Aug 14 22:25
schestowitz[21:55] <Guest12755> you there roystonAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[21:55] <schestowitz> Hello thereAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[21:56] <schestowitz> I'm taking my neighbour to the gym tomorrowAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[21:56] <schestowitz> around 2Aug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:00] <schestowitz> http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2011/08/14/wikileaks-and-riots/Aug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:01] <schestowitz> http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2011/08/10/server-at-home/Aug 14 22:25
TechrightsSocialTitle: schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » Wikileaks Makes the World More Civilised .::. Size~: 36.37 KBAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:02] <Guest12755> very good just read itAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:02] <Guest12755> a full dress rehearsal for the main eventAug 14 22:25
TechrightsSocialTitle: schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » Caught Up and Running a Server at Home .::. Size~: 34.04 KBAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:02] <Guest12755> soon to comeAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:02] <Guest12755> 3 weeks of blue murderAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:03] <Guest12755> then the solutionAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:03] <Guest12755> we will be on our knees by thenAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:07] <Guest12755> cheerioAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:07] <schestowitz> :-)Aug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:07] <schestowitz> what's blue murder?Aug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:08] <Guest12755> nasty deathAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:08] <schestowitz> blue blood I thought..Aug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:08] <schestowitz> well, riots cause 5 casualtiesAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:08] <schestowitz> And the Web..Aug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:08] <schestowitz> http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2011/08/11/british-censorship/Aug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:08] <schestowitz> Like in ChinaAug 14 22:25
TechrightsSocialTitle: schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » Oppose Attempts to Censor the British Public .::. Size~: 33.62 KBAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:09] <schestowitz> And many Brits are too naive too realise what it's a Bad IdeaAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:09] <Guest12755> this is a dress rehearsalAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:09] <schestowitz> Hopefully this can make some plutocrats nervous enough that they'll choose to behave better, IMHOAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:10] <schestowitz> The looters are a syndromeAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:10] <schestowitz> And a problemAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:10] <schestowitz> The solution is not to chase them one by oneAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:10] <Guest12755> the single global currency and government trap is being sprung.Aug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:10] <schestowitz> MaybeAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:10] <schestowitz> "The West" governmentAug 14 22:25
schestowitz[22:10] <schestowitz> AmerupeAug 14 22:26
schestowitz[22:11] <schestowitz> Versus EurasiaAug 14 22:26
schestowitz[22:11] <schestowitz> On the red corner, RupertAug 14 22:26
schestowitz[22:11] <schestowitz> On the left, KimAug 14 22:26
schestowitz[22:12] <Guest12755> We need to vacate to the wasteland in front of your house and dig a big hole that will temporarily house us for two months until the carnage blows itself out, then deliver ourselves unto the final conflict.Aug 14 22:26
schestowitz[22:16] <Guest12755> We had our warning shot on Tuesday it was no coincidence we were given a taste of things to come that day.Aug 14 22:26
schestowitz[22:16] <schestowitz> LOLAug 14 22:26
schestowitz[22:16] <schestowitz> No, the state is still well within controlAug 14 22:26
schestowitz[22:16] <schestowitz> It hasn't even called in the militaryAug 14 22:26
schestowitz[22:17] <schestowitz> So I trust them to protect the EstablishmentAug 14 22:26
schestowitz[22:17] <schestowitz> People in the UK are not armed like in the US and the police still is well in charge, It's no EgyptAug 14 22:26
schestowitzAug 14 22:26
schestowitz[22:17] <Guest12755> True, but state and military control is dependent on financial control.Aug 14 22:26
schestowitz[22:18] <schestowitz> Yes, like films show tooAug 14 22:26
schestowitz[22:18] <schestowitz> and the military/police can swap sidesAug 14 22:26
schestowitz[22:18] <Guest12755> but no more chicken legs in harpurhey.Aug 14 22:26
schestowitz[22:18] <schestowitz> And turn against order giversl, provided there's an inflection pointAug 14 22:26
schestowitz[22:19] <schestowitz> You're being too pessimisticAug 14 22:26
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