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qu1j0t3schestowitz: that's why Cameron can be accurately called a fascist, a totalitarianAug 17 00:06
qu1j0t3he fully intends to dilute civil rights, he even comes out and says itAug 17 00:06
qu1j0t3same as Bush/Cheney admin didAug 17 00:06
qu1j0t3after 9/11Aug 17 00:06
qu1j0t3just waiting for the excuseAug 17 00:06
qu1j0t3you notice how this is a prepared agenda/Aug 17 00:07
qu1j0t3there's nothing new in his proposalsAug 17 00:07
qu1j0t3it's all stuff they wanted to do but needed the triggerAug 17 00:07
qu1j0t3same as 9/11Aug 17 00:07
qu1j0t3or G20Aug 17 00:07
qu1j0t3(we now have acoustic weapons and CCTV in TO)Aug 17 00:07
qu1j0t3(and rubber bullets are used on students)Aug 17 00:07
qu1j0t3(and pre-emptive arrest)Aug 17 00:07
qu1j0t3schestowitz: soon they will be torturing the arrested rioters "for intelligence"Aug 17 00:08
qu1j0t3"to prevent more damage"Aug 17 00:08
qu1j0t3if they're not doing it alreadyAug 17 00:08
qu1j0t3they don't want laws against tortureAug 17 00:08
qu1j0t3"we need all options on the table"Aug 17 00:08
qu1j0t3"these people are the worst of the worst"Aug 17 00:08
qu1j0t3"they have no rights"Aug 17 00:08
qu1j0t3"they gave away their rights when they came on to the street"Aug 17 00:08
qu1j0t3public spaceAug 17 00:08
qu1j0t3arson is a crime but creating and tormenting a dispossessed class is not (Palestine, Muslims, Afghanis)Aug 17 00:10
qu1j0t3(British underclass.. not a new concept)Aug 17 00:14
qu1j0t3there's only a small underclass here, and they cause little trouble, so the enemy here is the middle classAug 17 00:15
qu1j0t3trying to brand them as socialists, communists, anarchistsAug 17 00:15
qu1j0t3in order to justify billion-dollar security spendingAug 17 00:15
qu1j0t3and new prisonsAug 17 00:16
qu1j0t3the prison industry is the federal govt's major priorityAug 17 00:16
qu1j0t3nobody wants itAug 17 00:16
qu1j0t3except for presumably some plutocratsAug 17 00:16
qu1j0t3with US connectionsAug 17 00:16
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOrom8w5VhMAug 17 00:37
TechrightsSocialTitle: For Boogie.       - YouTube .::. Size~: 101.09 KBAug 17 00:37
schestowitzhmmm... Wall Street Journal reporter wishes to speak to meAug 17 00:52
schestowitzAbout a patent trollAug 17 00:52
schestowitzit's a Murdoch paperAug 17 00:56
schestowitzBut influentialAug 17 00:56
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Aug 17 00:56
schestowitz> Aug 17 00:56
schestowitz> I’m a reporter with Dow Jones Newswires and I’m writing about Jay WalkerAug 17 00:56
schestowitz> and Walker Digital – I see that you’ve written about Walker Digital’sAug 17 00:56
schestowitz> litigation here:Aug 17 00:56
schestowitz> Aug 17 00:56
schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2011/04/13/trolls-with-sense-of-entitlement/#hideAug 17 00:56
schestowitz> Aug 17 00:56
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schestowitz> Just wondering if your opinion has changed at since writing this? Do youAug 17 00:56
schestowitz> think you might have a moment to talk?Aug 17 00:56
schestowitzHi John,Aug 17 00:56
schestowitzMy opinion has not changed since I wrote that post (one among several about Walker). I would be happy to talk. My phone number is 0044 161 xxxx. I go to bed right now (1AM here in the UK) and can also respond by E-mail.Aug 17 00:56
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schestowitzhttp://imgur.com/gallery/X0nPuAug 17 07:42
TechrightsSocialTitle: I don't hear enough accolades for smart girls around here - Imgur .::. Size~: 70.85 KBAug 17 07:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/CarlaSchroder/status/103638572225134593Aug 17 08:01
TechrightsSocial@CarlaSchroder: @schestowitz Now don't be expecting actual content. Picky picky.Aug 17 08:01
schestowitzre "Surely there are better things for Linux sites to cover http://t.co/HtnDfkT http://t.co/opqMbF3 have they run out of subjects?"Aug 17 08:01
TechrightsSocialTitle: What Color is Your Car? | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 65.88 KBAug 17 08:01
TechrightsSocialTitle: FourthParty is here | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 49.01 KBAug 17 08:01
schestowitzYesterday was a dry day... news-wise. Monday too.Aug 17 08:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/the1president/status/103708049516138497Aug 17 08:02
TechrightsSocial@the1president: @schestowitz most police are hitlers who crave the powers of dr Iranian counterpart. Y comment on sentencing anyway - separation of powers?Aug 17 08:02
schestowitzhttp://blog.oup.com/2011/08/philanthropic-foundations/Aug 17 08:19
schestowitz"More critical commentary about foundations occurs on blogs (for example, techrights and Seattle Education.)"Aug 17 08:19
TechrightsSocialTitle: OUPblog  » Blog Archive   » Philanthropic foundations and the public health agenda .::. Size~: 65.32 KBAug 17 08:19
schestowitz"Perhaps the lack of criticism by public health professionals is due to conflict of interests arising from the ubiquitous and large amount of foundation funding3 for public health programs and researchers. Public health professionals and organizations may be fearful of loss of funding or denial of application for funds for criticizing the foundations. Because foundations are sometimes in partnership the reaction to such Aug 17 08:21
schestowitzcritical analysis could easily diffuse across foundations and put a critic at risk at multiple foundations.  Some philanthrocapitalists are sensitive to criticism and find it incredulous that anyone would consider them anything other than heroes whose financial and technological innovations they believe represent the future.[21] They isolate themselves and become more closely associated with the other wealthy around the worldAug 17 08:21
schestowitzthan they are to average members of society and to their own country, and seem to scorn the middle class.[21]"Aug 17 08:21
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/80973742Aug 17 08:49
TechrightsSocial@Laurel L. Russwurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Aug-11 07:45:24 UTC - Identi.ca: congratulations @schestowitz ... you've done some great work with !techrights so it is not undeserved :)Aug 17 08:49
schestowitzNice to hearAug 17 08:49
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/80973067Aug 17 08:49
TechrightsSocial@satipera (satipera)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Aug-11 07:24:23 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Did you give them a quote?Aug 17 08:49
schestowitzNot yet. It was 1am, was about to sleepAug 17 08:50
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schestowitzHm...Aug 17 09:31
schestowitzJust had to restart the Debian box here...Aug 17 09:31
schestowitzSort of became unresponsive Aug 17 09:31
schestowitzWhich is odd... cause unknownAug 17 09:31
schestowitzI now run the program from another use account, having soles other problems with other permissions on the Texas database directory.Aug 17 09:46
schestowitzI run it from DebianAug 17 09:46
qu1j0t3'They isolate themselves and become more closely │                 Aug 17 12:21
qu1j0t3                          associated with the other wealthy'Aug 17 12:21
qu1j0t3this is automatic, it's not about criticismAug 17 12:21
qu1j0t3criticism is just ignored. actually they want to disallow it.Aug 17 12:21
qu1j0t3it doesn't fit into their visionAug 17 12:21
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qu1j0t3sebsebseb: Aug 17 15:54
sebsebsebqu1j0t3:  Aug 17 16:00
ender_2600sebsebseb qu1j0t3Aug 17 17:13
sebsebsebender_2600:  qu1j0t3Aug 17 17:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/103794711998894080Aug 17 17:29
TechrightsSocial@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Yes, good point. But there is an obsolescence incentive in the US MIC, hilariously enough. Since it's built on profit motive.Aug 17 17:29
schestowitzThe public is an externalityAug 17 17:29
schestowitzsebsebseb: we are organising a campaignAug 17 17:30
schestowitzA friend of mineAug 17 17:30
schestowitzPeacefulAug 17 17:30
schestowitzAnd no charged/loaded termsAug 17 17:30
schestowitzAs my friend thought about using someAug 17 17:30
schestowitzIt's a leaflet based oneAug 17 17:30
schestowitzin town centreAug 17 17:30
schestowitzAnd there's no secret about itAug 17 17:30
schestowitzMy friend wanted to humorously used words like carpet-bombing flyers Aug 17 17:31
schestowitzBut I said it would just make it easier to smear usAug 17 17:31
schestowitzJust read http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/mi5-called-in-to-find-organisers-of-riots-20110816-1iw8r.htmlAug 17 17:31
TechrightsSocialTitle: MI5 called in to find organisers of riots .::. Size~: 143.15 KBAug 17 17:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/CarlaSchroder/status/103837153552896000Aug 17 17:34
TechrightsSocial@CarlaSchroder: @schestowitz Not so dry that a Linux publication runs a poll on 'your car color.' What next, fashion tips?Aug 17 17:34
schestowitzYes, that was a bit strange. Linux Journal in general is very quiet now; even its editor is not visible.Aug 17 17:35
ender_2600http://qubitarkhive.com/2011/08/17/anti-satellite-asat-system-for-dumbasses-pt1/Aug 17 17:36
TechrightsSocialTitle: Anti-satellite (ASAT) system for dumbasses PT1 - Qubit ArkHive .::. Size~: 31.05 KBAug 17 17:36
schestowitzmehAug 17 17:47
schestowitzender_2600: your section with the long videos..Aug 17 17:47
schestowitzI started watching itAug 17 17:47
schestowitzBut it contains some crazy claims, disinformationAug 17 17:47
schestowitzqu1j0t3: re http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/2011/08/17/fukushima-radioactive-rain-falls-in-toronto-canada-at-dangerous-levels-20000-cpm-aug-14-2011.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitterAug 17 17:47
TechrightsSocialTitle: Fukushima? Radioactive Rain falls in Toronto, Canada at DANGEROUS levels (20,000 CPM) Aug 14 2011 | RealLiberalChristianChurch.org .::. Size~: 103.97 KBAug 17 17:47
schestowitzIs this source reliable at all?Aug 17 17:47
schestowitzI'm surprised you would link itAug 17 17:47
ender_2600my section with long videos?Aug 17 17:49
ender_2600http://qubitarkhive.com/video/ ?Aug 17 17:50
TechrightsSocialTitle: Video - Qubit ArkHive .::. Size~: 23.36 KBAug 17 17:50
ender_260013:36 < schestowitz> But it contains some crazy claims, disinformationAug 17 17:50
ender_2600LOL sure, name someAug 17 17:50
ender_2600or are you gonna run off and not back up your claims?Aug 17 17:51
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/103804182246588416Aug 17 17:51
TechrightsSocial@orwellsbastard: RT @jimbobbysez: RT @stuartsmithlaw: Fukushima now radiating everyone: SBS exposes 'unspeakable' reality http:… (cont) http://t.co/Gp7IH1LAug 17 17:51
TechrightsSocial-> Title: Orwell's Bastard: "RT @jimbobbysez: RT @stuar…" « Deck.ly .::. Size~: 26.39 KBAug 17 17:51
ender_2600basicly i've already written you off as you don't even consider freemasonry a threatAug 17 17:51
schestowitzqu1j0t3: I don;'t think the effects can get this farAug 17 17:51
ender_2600so why would you consider anything elseAug 17 17:52
schestowitzThey scale quadratically (in reverse)Aug 17 17:52
ender_2600plus you get all your facts from the sociopathic governmentAug 17 17:52
schestowitz[17:51] <ender_2600> or are you gonna run off and not back up your claims?Aug 17 17:52
schestowitzI posted them here while I watched itAug 17 17:52
ender_2600what dayAug 17 17:52
schestowitzI can't remember them all nowAug 17 17:52
schestowitzender_2600: about a week and a half afoAug 17 17:52
ender_2600so your gonna pull that nowAug 17 17:52
schestowitz*goAug 17 17:52
ender_2600'its in the irc logs'Aug 17 17:52
schestowitz[17:51] <ender_2600> basicly i've already written you off as you don't even consider freemasonry a threatAug 17 17:53
schestowitzNot the major oneAug 17 17:53
ender_2600right, the major threat in your mind is capitalismAug 17 17:53
ender_2600and people making lots of moneyAug 17 17:53
schestowitzNo, not at allAug 17 17:53
schestowitzI'm not a victim of it, eitherAug 17 17:53
schestowitzIt's extreme imp,emetations of itAug 17 17:53
schestowitzWhere the super rich stop paying taxAug 17 17:53
schestowitzAnd companies pay no tax at allAug 17 17:54
ender_2600they arentAug 17 17:54
schestowitzTo "keep them at home"Aug 17 17:54
qu1j0t3schestowitz: you're talking about direct radiation.Aug 17 17:54
ender_2600they ARE paying taxAug 17 17:54
schestowitz"job creation" junkAug 17 17:54
qu1j0t3schestowitz: not transported irradiantsAug 17 17:54
ender_2600if you earn a BILLION dollars, even 1% tax is more than you are payingAug 17 17:54
schestowitzqu1j0t3: can they travel this fast?Aug 17 17:54
qu1j0t3schestowitz: yes. see: ChernobyAug 17 17:54
qu1j0t3lAug 17 17:54
qu1j0t3schestowitz: it's been monthsAug 17 17:54
schestowitzok, thanksAug 17 17:54
ender_2600rich people dont get access to a lot of services here in canada tooAug 17 17:54
schestowitzjust catching upAug 17 17:54
ender_2600yet they pay moreAug 17 17:54
ender_2600dollar for dollarAug 17 17:54
schestowitzIt's still a political week, but nothing like last weekAug 17 17:54
schestowitzand we plan a campaign this weekendAug 17 17:55
ender_2600but anywaysAug 17 17:55
ender_2600now since I have to find what you're talking about we can continue this in a weekAug 17 17:55
qu1j0t3schestowitz: wait, does the bot word wrap tweets now???Aug 17 17:55
ender_2600(irc logs research)Aug 17 17:55
qu1j0t3schestowitz: did trmanco add this feature?Aug 17 17:55
ender_2600if I don't find it im calling you out on itAug 17 17:55
qu1j0t3or maybe it's my client... #mshAug 17 17:55
ender_2600so if you dont want to be called out perhaps provide a date or something or a quote that I can do a text search via google withAug 17 17:56
ender_2600otherwise I can't guarantee finding a thing and I don't want to be accused of disinfo if I can't find itAug 17 17:56
ender_2600just letting you knowAug 17 17:56
schestowitz[17:55] <qu1j0t3> schestowitz: wait, does the bot word wrap tweets now???Aug 17 18:10
schestowitzNot AFAIKAug 17 18:10
schestowitzwe could use improvemens to avoid DDOS on the bot Aug 17 18:10
schestowitzAmong other things I cannot recall nowAug 17 18:10
schestowitzSomeone mailed me to dsuggest URL expansionAug 17 18:11
schestowitzNo need for short URLsAug 17 18:11
schestowitzThey breakAug 17 18:11
schestowitzThe mailer said it's bad for SEOAug 17 18:11
schestowitzBut that's not my main concernAug 17 18:11
schestowitzender_2600: iirc, one of the first issue I had was claims about the dawn of modern menAug 17 18:11
schestowitzAnd a misunderstanding of evolutionAug 17 18:11
schestowitzI can;'t remember the rest at the momentAug 17 18:12
schestowitzI wrote down as I listener for like half an hourAug 17 18:12
schestowitzre Linux JournalAug 17 18:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KatherineD/status/103874984023298048Aug 17 18:14
TechrightsSocial@KatherineD: @schestowitz @CarlaSchroder yes, it was a slow day, and we were feeling frisky. :) Sometimes we like to have fun, especially @shawnp0wers.Aug 17 18:14
qu1j0t3it's my client doing nice wrapping. somehow i never noticed before. :)Aug 17 18:16
qu1j0t3schestowitz: how is the bot being dos'd?Aug 17 18:19
ender_260014:01 < schestowitz> And a misunderstanding of evolutionAug 17 18:22
ender_2600thats because you dont consider the ancient genetic engineering theoryAug 17 18:22
ender_2600you also dont consider numerology or astrologyAug 17 18:23
ender_2600you also dont consider neanderthals were smarterAug 17 18:23
ender_2600you also dont consider ancient grasp of quantum mechanicsAug 17 18:23
ender_2600no wonder its 'disinfo'Aug 17 18:24
schestowitzancient grasp of quantum mechanics?Aug 17 18:44
schestowitzqu1j0t3: I recently came across a doctor who was delivering chef courses on the side, using his reputation in one field in order to enter another lucrative one. I am thinking of entering some physical ed business with 3 friends...Aug 17 18:45
schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/asLhp.jpgAug 17 18:47
TechrightsSocialNot a web page! Aborting image/jpeg typeAug 17 18:47
schestowitzLOLAug 17 18:47
schestowitzender_2600: Aug 17 18:51
schestowitz> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Roy Schestowitz <r@schestowitz.com> wrote:Aug 17 18:51
schestowitz>>>> What about with 3D cameras?Aug 17 18:51
schestowitz> Aug 17 18:51
schestowitz> > They don't work in this context unless the person is very, very close toAug 17 18:51
schestowitz> > them and not moving at all for a period of time. Stereovision doesn'tAug 17 18:51
schestowitz> > yield good enough geometry either. It's not not a tool to be used onAug 17 18:51
schestowitz> > unwilling people; they actually have to want to be scanned.Aug 17 18:51
schestowitzDon't confuse depth \from body with faceAug 17 18:51
schestowitz*very different levels of granularityAug 17 18:51
schestowitzfinger=~210cmAug 17 18:51
schestowitznostril=millimetresAug 17 18:51
schestowitz> All the cameras would require would be an infrared laser to detectAug 17 18:52
schestowitz> depth. It has been shown to be extremely cheap to do this. It's in theAug 17 18:52
schestowitz> xbox kinect.Aug 17 18:52
schestowitzYes, working not on face identificationAug 17 18:52
schestowitz> The depth sensor consists of an infrared laser projector combined withAug 17 18:53
schestowitz> a monochrome CMOS sensor, which captures video data in 3D under anyAug 17 18:53
schestowitz> ambient light conditions.[9][33] The sensing range of the depth sensorAug 17 18:53
schestowitz> is adjustable, and the Kinect software is capable of automaticallyAug 17 18:53
schestowitz> calibrating the sensor based on gameplay and the player's physicalAug 17 18:53
schestowitz> environment, accommodating for the presence of furniture or otherAug 17 18:53
schestowitz> obstacles.[34]Aug 17 18:53
schestowitzThat can be used for tracking of movement in an environment.Aug 17 18:53
schestowitzMaybe for CCTVAug 17 18:53
schestowitz> Described by Microsoft personnel as the primary innovation ofAug 17 18:53
schestowitz> Kinect,[35][36][37] the software technology enables advanced gestureAug 17 18:53
schestowitz> recognition, facial recognition and voice recognition.[38] AccordingAug 17 18:53
schestowitz> to information supplied to retailers, Kinect is capable ofAug 17 18:53
schestowitz> simultaneously tracking up to six people, including two active playersAug 17 18:53
schestowitz> for motion analysis with a feature extraction of 20 joints perAug 17 18:53
schestowitz> player.[39] However,Aug 17 18:53
schestowitz> PrimeSense has stated that the number of people the device can "see"Aug 17 18:53
schestowitz> (but not process as players) is only limited by how many will fit inAug 17 18:53
schestowitz> the field-of-view of the camera.Aug 17 18:53
schestowitz> Aug 17 18:53
schestowitz> Aug 17 18:54
schestowitz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KinectAug 17 18:54
schestowitz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_imagingAug 17 18:54
TechrightsSocialTitle: Kinect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 271.09 KBAug 17 18:54
TechrightsSocialTitle: Range imaging - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 29.92 KBAug 17 18:54
schestowitz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_scannerAug 17 18:54
TechrightsSocialTitle: 3D scanner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 104.59 KBAug 17 18:54
schestowitz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PrimeSenseAug 17 18:54
TechrightsSocialTitle: PrimeSense - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 24.89 KBAug 17 18:54
schestowitzYou use the title "Re: Facial Tracking"Aug 17 18:54
schestowitzit's not facial trackingAug 17 18:54
schestowitzIt can locate faces in the sceneAug 17 18:54
schestowitzBut it cannot track pertinent parts of them or tell apart one face from many otherAug 17 18:54
schestowitzfacesAug 17 18:54
schestowitzThis is a spatial thingAug 17 18:54
schestowitzAnd Microsoft did not 'invent' itAug 17 18:54
schestowitzIt bought some companies I know ofAug 17 18:54
schestowitzAnd then combined those to make something they can mass-produce Aug 17 18:55
schestowitzThe competing ones cost about $1000 and try to drive the price downAug 17 18:55
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ender_2600they worked with an israeli companyAug 17 19:16
ender_260014:33 < schestowitz> ancient grasp of quantum mechanics?Aug 17 19:16
ender_2600seeAug 17 19:16
ender_2600it would have been required to do the genetic engineeringAug 17 19:17
ender_2600the type of engineering the neanderthals didAug 17 19:17
ender_2600creating 'us' in their image, after their likeness but without the knowledge of 'good and evil' which is just allegory for intelligenceAug 17 19:18
ender_2600before you go on about christianity, they plagerized their genesis storyAug 17 19:19
ender_2600we didnt invent fire, neanderthals did - and we stole it from them like PrometheusAug 17 19:20
schestowitznobody invented fireAug 17 19:20
ender_2600of course, you just write off ancient recordsAug 17 19:20
schestowitzit's a phenomenon in the universeAug 17 19:20
ender_2600its a convienienceAug 17 19:20
ender_2600ughAug 17 19:20
schestowitzWe can try to stimulate some, it's just a chain reaction that uses oxygenAug 17 19:20
ender_2600you know what I meanAug 17 19:21
ender_2600DISCOVERED how to create fireAug 17 19:21
schestowitzthere's no discovertAug 17 19:21
schestowitzFires always existedAug 17 19:21
ender_2600stopAug 17 19:21
schestowitzLike when lightnings strikeAug 17 19:21
schestowitzpeople can transport fireAug 17 19:21
schestowitzLike with a branchAug 17 19:21
ender_2600stop being denseAug 17 19:21
schestowitzAnd later they found methods to make geatAug 17 19:21
schestowitzTo start up a fireAug 17 19:21
ender_2600the discovery by humans that they could use fireAug 17 19:22
schestowitzand we know some tools that do thisAug 17 19:22
ender_2600and create it themselvesAug 17 19:22
schestowitzWith easy-to-ignote material like dry leavesAug 17 19:22
ender_2600the tools were invented by neanderthalsAug 17 19:22
schestowitzour predecessorsAug 17 19:22
ender_2600neanderthalsAug 17 19:22
schestowitzHe calls them a separate branchAug 17 19:22
schestowitzWe're all siblings and derivativesAug 17 19:22
schestowitzIt's a chainAug 17 19:23
ender_2600by genetic engineeringAug 17 19:23
schestowitzHe implies they're like another speciesAug 17 19:23
ender_2600basicly yesAug 17 19:23
schestowitzGenetic engineering?Aug 17 19:23
schestowitzYou mean breeding>?Aug 17 19:23
ender_2600why are you talking about me like im not here?Aug 17 19:23
schestowitzLike we did cows and dogs?Aug 17 19:23
ender_2600are you incapable of understanding simple concepts Roy?Aug 17 19:23
schestowitzNoAug 17 19:23
ender_2600no i dont mean breedingAug 17 19:23
ender_2600GENETIC ENGINEERINGAug 17 19:23
schestowitzWho did that?Aug 17 19:24
schestowitzNeanderthals?Aug 17 19:24
ender_2600http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_engineeringAug 17 19:24
TechrightsSocialTitle: Genetic engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 247.74 KBAug 17 19:24
ender_2600yesAug 17 19:24
schestowitzProof?Aug 17 19:24
ender_2600youAug 17 19:24
ender_2600meAug 17 19:24
ender_2600everyoneAug 17 19:24
ender_2600we're all weak versions of neanderthalsAug 17 19:24
schestowitzwe're not proofAug 17 19:24
ender_2600with smaller brainsAug 17 19:24
schestowitzNot of genetic ENGINEERINGAug 17 19:24
ender_2600less strengthAug 17 19:24
schestowitzNoAug 17 19:24
schestowitzWe get streongerAug 17 19:24
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schestowitzI saw the lies from some religious fringe groupsAug 17 19:24
ender_2600how does evolution make something less advanced than neanderthals?Aug 17 19:24
schestowitzThat humans got smallerAug 17 19:25
schestowitzWe axctually get biggerAug 17 19:25
ender_2600our brains are smallerAug 17 19:25
schestowitzYou can find old armour and the size indicates that indeed people were smallerAug 17 19:25
schestowitzAnd the same goes for mummies Aug 17 19:25
schestowitzWe are always growing biggerAug 17 19:25
schestowitzOur brains too got biggerAug 17 19:25
schestowitzAnd our skull changes in sizeAug 17 19:25
ender_2600nopeAug 17 19:25
schestowitzProof?Aug 17 19:25
schestowitz[19:24] <ender_2600> how does evolution make something less advanced than neanderthals?Aug 17 19:26
schestowitz???Aug 17 19:26
ender_2600we're dumbed down weaker versions of themAug 17 19:26
ender_2600because we're slaves for themAug 17 19:26
schestowitz"Genetic engineering, also called genetic modification, is the direct human manipulation of an organism's genome using modern DNA technology."Aug 17 19:26
schestowitzThat's the opening from wikipediaAug 17 19:26
ender_2600yesAug 17 19:26
schestowitzDid Neanderthals do that?>\Aug 17 19:26
ender_2600do you understand genetic engineering now?Aug 17 19:26
ender_2600yesAug 17 19:26
schestowitz"using modern DNA technology."Aug 17 19:26
ender_2600using ancient DNA technologyAug 17 19:27
schestowitzAug 17 19:27
schestowitz[19:26] <ender_2600> we're dumbed down weaker versions of themAug 17 19:27
schestowitzNopAug 17 19:27
schestowitzWhat's the evidence to back this claim?Aug 17 19:27
ender_2600getting it for youAug 17 19:27
schestowitzokAug 17 19:27
schestowitzBTW, we are ancestors of themAug 17 19:28
schestowitzReferring to them as another species is a little oddAug 17 19:28
schestowitzWe still have some cousins in the tree of life, related cousins that do exist and can breed. Referring to them on a comparative basis would make more senseAug 17 19:28
schestowitzYou argue for what some people call "devolution"Aug 17 19:29
schestowitzWhich alleges we get less and less advances, e.g. because those who reproduce are by nature fitness not naturally selectedAug 17 19:29
schestowitzAnd that only our education system keeps modern knowledge going down from patent to son/daughterAug 17 19:30
ender_2600http://www.physorg.com/news101477918.htmlAug 17 19:30
TechrightsSocialTitle: Neanderthal Man Was An Innovator, Study Says .::. Size~: 59.74 KBAug 17 19:30
ender_2600http://www.physorg.com/news204308568.htmlAug 17 19:30
TechrightsSocialTitle: Neanderthals more advanced than previously thought .::. Size~: 89.07 KBAug 17 19:30
ender_2600http://www.physorg.com/news138941114.htmlAug 17 19:30
TechrightsSocialTitle: New evidence debunks 'stupid' Neanderthal myth .::. Size~: 86.57 KBAug 17 19:30
schestowitzBut based on physical evidence, we get bigger and AFAIK we still get beter brains and our lifestyle allows us to spend more time learning very particular knowledge, not everyday choresAug 17 19:30
ender_2600http://www.physorg.com/news182439329.htmlAug 17 19:30
TechrightsSocialTitle: New research suggests Neanderthals weren't stupid .::. Size~: 66.05 KBAug 17 19:30
ender_2600http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-07-genetic-non-africans-neanderthal.htmlAug 17 19:31
TechrightsSocialTitle: Genetic research confirms that non-Africans are part Neanderthal .::. Size~: 167.93 KBAug 17 19:31
schestowitz"Neanderthal man was not as stupid as has been made out says a new study published by a University of Leicester archaeologist."Aug 17 19:31
schestowitzRight. It doesn't yet say that were smarter than usAug 17 19:31
schestowitzIs just says their characterisation of human-like apes like we know today are derogatoryAug 17 19:31
schestowitzThey only predate us by like 150k yearsAug 17 19:31
schestowitzliike a second in geological termsAug 17 19:32
ender_2600thats a long time to ponder quantum mechanicsAug 17 19:32
schestowitz"Neanderthals were the sister species of Homo sapiens, our own species, and inhabited Europe in the Middle Palaeolithic period which began some 300,000 years ago. This period has widely been thought to have been unremarkable and undramatic in cultural or evolutionary terms.'Aug 17 19:32
schestowitzender_2600: what's it with quantum mechanics?Aug 17 19:32
schestowitzDo you understand it?Aug 17 19:32
ender_2600yes and its the keyAug 17 19:32
schestowitzPeople tend to evoke quantum mechanics to just imply complexityAug 17 19:32
schestowitzkey to what?Aug 17 19:33
ender_2600quantum entanglement for the linking of brains together into a biological super computerAug 17 19:33
schestowitzquantum mechanics don't apply to the world we can observeAug 17 19:33
schestowitzNot without special toolsAug 17 19:33
ender_2600plants work off of quantum mechanics biologicallyAug 17 19:33
schestowitzin quantum mechanics the rules are contradictory to what we can view at macro-levelAug 17 19:33
ender_2600no reason why a more advanced neanderthal brain couldntAug 17 19:34
ender_2600especially if it had saavant characteristicsAug 17 19:34
schestowitzender_2600: chlorophyll?Aug 17 19:34
ender_2600http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=when-it-comes-to-photosynthesis-plants-perform-quantum-computationAug 17 19:34
TechrightsSocialTitle: When It Comes to Photosynthesis, Plants Perform Quantum Computation: Scientific American .::. Size~: 81.3 KBAug 17 19:34
schestowitzThat's explanation of light-matter conversions I reckonAug 17 19:35
schestowitzIt's how we get food from the sonAug 17 19:35
schestowitz*SunAug 17 19:35
ender_2600anyways, is this something that really concerns you?Aug 17 19:38
ender_2600I wasn't actually expecting you to visit my site and i'm unprepared right now. Plus I think its a waste of time trying to convince you.Aug 17 19:42
ender_2600I did link the ASAT articleAug 17 19:43
ender_2600which I didnt write, its written by someone working with the US DODAug 17 19:43
ender_2600previously working with themAug 17 19:43
ender_2600an inventor in military and aerospace technologyAug 17 19:43
ender_2600I met him via 2600 magazineAug 17 19:45
ender_2600they published his part 2 in the latest issueAug 17 19:45
ender_2600he also gave me other goodies I need to see if I *can* publishAug 17 19:46
*schestowitz back from bloggingAug 17 19:46
schestowitzWhat's the ASAT article?Aug 17 19:46
ender_2600like a list of phone numbers for guberment agencies including the white house situation room, some people he doesnt like at the CIA, etcAug 17 19:47
ender_2600http://qubitarkhive.com/2011/08/17/anti-satellite-asat-system-for-dumbasses-pt1/Aug 17 19:47
TechrightsSocialTitle: Anti-satellite (ASAT) system for dumbasses PT1 - Qubit ArkHive .::. Size~: 31.05 KBAug 17 19:47
ender_2600an amateur way of harassing guberment sattelites that may be in your skyAug 17 19:48
ender_260015:18 < schestowitz> You argue for what some people call "devolution"Aug 17 20:12
ender_2600I believe that's what you support my friend by supporting the weaker population in the human speciesAug 17 20:13
ender_2600ie, welfare to people who dont workAug 17 20:13
ender_2600those people have sex and generate more unwilling to work offspringAug 17 20:13
schestowitzThat's a real issue, but only in more modern societyAug 17 20:13
schestowitzLike 20th centuryAug 17 20:14
schestowitzWe had huge population growth in that centuryAug 17 20:14
schestowitzIndutrial revolution and social programmesAug 17 20:14
schestowitzAlso, health improved (after discovering micro-organisms)Aug 17 20:14
ender_2600I suspect the health improvement is a double edged swordAug 17 20:15
ender_2600now we have no choice but to completely master itAug 17 20:15
ender_2600or the viruses will winAug 17 20:15
schestowitzMy mate has just mailed me this:Aug 17 20:16
schestowitz"Aug 17 20:16
schestowitz> Sterling stuff we can review further on friday if you like, one thing though we must acknowledge that there has been a decline in morals perpetuated in part  by the government and its controlled media which presents the trivial and the materialistic as high art,  and their indifference to the dissolution of the family unit, this has served to corrupt and dumb down the masses, trapping them in a web of superficial self Aug 17 20:16
schestowitzinterest.Aug 17 20:16
schestowitz> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless deviceAug 17 20:16
schestowitz"Aug 17 20:16
ender_2600I think we caused normally harmless germs to become stronger by inventing medicinesAug 17 20:16
ender_2600instead of relying on our immune systemAug 17 20:16
ender_2600plus also making our immune system weakerAug 17 20:16
schestowitzthat's a known issueAug 17 20:16
ender_2600yet we must 'immunize'Aug 17 20:16
schestowitzMaking people more dependent on vaccinationAug 17 20:16
schestowitzAnd they still make more kids, even though the chances of a kids' survival is now very high, not just in the WestAug 17 20:17
schestowitzender_33: and get bracesAug 17 20:17
schestowitzThe "teeth tax"Aug 17 20:17
schestowitzto be socially presentable and not associated with povertyAug 17 20:17
ender_2600honestly i'd rather have false teethAug 17 20:17
schestowitzgetting braces nakes our teeth worseAug 17 20:17
ender_2600no more damn dentist, his/her scams, etcAug 17 20:17
schestowitzBecause we make corrective adjustement not reflected in the genesAug 17 20:18
schestowitzSo rather than people with naturally good teeth reproducing we perturb natureAug 17 20:18
schestowitzPlastic surgery in generalAug 17 20:18
ender_2600yeah exactlyAug 17 20:18
schestowitzAnd then selection is not based on physical traitsAug 17 20:18
ender_2600all of this unnatural stuffAug 17 20:18
schestowitzAnd people with bad teeth would pass their genes moreAug 17 20:18
schestowitzSo we make future generations only /more/ likely to require orthodontistsAug 17 20:19
ender_2600boosting the industryAug 17 20:19
ender_2600just like anti depressantsAug 17 20:19
schestowitzyesAug 17 20:19
ender_2600doctors dont care if a pregant woman has to take them and causes their kid withdrawlAug 17 20:19
ender_2600causing depressionAug 17 20:19
ender_2600yet they'll accept the 'crack baby' theoryAug 17 20:20
schestowitzwhat is it?Aug 17 20:20
schestowitzThat the baby will be addicted?Aug 17 20:20
schestowitzIf born to a mother on drugs?Aug 17 20:20
ender_2600that a mom who takes crack while pregnant passes some of it to the kidAug 17 20:20
schestowitzLOLAug 17 20:20
schestowitzYeah..Aug 17 20:20
ender_2600babies have been born addicted to crackAug 17 20:20
schestowitzThe kids will cry more *rolls eyes*Aug 17 20:20
schestowitzGive himcrack, then  off to baed /sarcasmAug 17 20:20
ender_2600I think once you take the first SSRI pill, you're doneAug 17 20:21
ender_2600brain damaged foreverAug 17 20:21
ender_2600thats my own opinionAug 17 20:22
ender_2600tom green has a funny songAug 17 20:22
ender_2600'Crack baby don't come back, crack baby don't come back!'Aug 17 20:23
schestowitzwhere's green now?Aug 17 20:24
schestowitzNot seen him in a decadeAug 17 20:24
schestowitzMaybe he fell into the industry of ex-celebsAug 17 20:25
schestowitzLike some morning shows for kids that nobody watchesAug 17 20:25
schestowitzHis bum is on the SwedishAug 17 20:25
ender_2600he runs his own showAug 17 20:29
ender_2600out of his houseAug 17 20:29
ender_2600www.tomgreen.comAug 17 20:29
ender_2600hes independant tooAug 17 20:30
ender_2600Site developed and maintained by Planet23 Consulting. For best results use Google Chrome.Aug 17 20:30
ender_2600sweetAug 17 20:30
schestowitzNiceAug 17 20:31
schestowitzso he's happy no bossing or censorsAug 17 20:31
schestowitzis he still hanging around with Glenn?Aug 17 20:32
schestowitzI remember when Lewinski was a companion on his showAug 17 20:32
schestowitzShe tried to convert her notoriety into vashAug 17 20:32
schestowitzcashAug 17 20:32
ender_2600hahaha lolAug 17 20:32
ender_2600he was on tv and was censored like madAug 17 20:33
ender_2600thats why he did thisAug 17 20:33
ender_2600http://youtu.be/9kBc3yqC82sAug 17 20:33
TechrightsSocialTitle: Tom Green - The Ballad of Denise Swanson & The Crack Baby Song       - YouTube .::. Size~: 87.72 KBAug 17 20:33
schestowitzHe voice is annoyingAug 17 20:35
ender_2600her?Aug 17 20:37
schestowitzherAug 17 20:52
ender_2600yeahAug 17 20:55
ender_2600I got a shorter versionAug 17 20:55
ender_2600just the crack baby songAug 17 20:55
ender_2600have you heard of TEMPEST?Aug 17 20:56
ender_2600(not a song)Aug 17 20:57
ender_2600its the technology behind spying on people via RF radiationAug 17 20:57
ender_2600http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEMPESTAug 17 20:58
TechrightsSocialTitle: TEMPEST - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 59.56 KBAug 17 20:58
ender_2600http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Eck_phreakingAug 17 20:58
TechrightsSocialTitle: Van Eck phreaking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 33.86 KBAug 17 20:58
schestowitzqu1j0t3: Aug 17 21:20
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Aug 17 21:20
schestowitz> Aug 17 21:20
schestowitz> Still haven't had the time to read it, will do so later this week.Aug 17 21:20
schestowitz> Aug 17 21:20
schestowitz> Not related, but do you know anyone who could use a Perl programmer? AAug 17 21:20
schestowitz> customer cheated me out of a lot of money and I am now without work :-(.Aug 17 21:20
schestowitzI will ask some friends if they know of such an opening.Aug 17 21:20
schestowitzender_2600: haven't heard of itAug 17 21:20
schestowitzI am currently resolving some bugs within the program -- bugs that cause non-overlapping parts to be seen as similar in two images. Some results are imminent provided the bugs are found (got debugging running on two machines here and in the server room in parallel).Aug 17 21:24
schestowitza prgram thst segments surfacesAug 17 21:24
schestowitzbrandon would freak outAug 17 21:24
qu1j0t3schestowitz: my employer only hires localAug 17 21:26
qu1j0t3schestowitz: but we're not hiring perl progs per seAug 17 21:26
ender_2600eh?Aug 17 21:33
ender_2600im not freaking outAug 17 21:33
ender_2600I was trying to rule out your research being used for tracking uk citizensAug 17 21:34
ender_2600which seems to be the case, they already have that technology and don't need you for itAug 17 21:34
ender_2600So I do apologize for implying that before, there are bigger fish doing scarier things with facial tracking than you areAug 17 21:34
schestowitzthere are 'good' 2-D methods for itAug 17 21:36
schestowitzGoogle and facebook use thoseAug 17 21:36
schestowitzThe way they work is brute-force and primitiveAug 17 21:36
schestowitzThey detect feature in texture imagesAug 17 21:37
schestowitzNot range images (deapth)Aug 17 21:37
schestowitzThey mark up eye corners, nose, monthAug 17 21:37
schestowitzmouthAug 17 21:37
schestowitzThen measure distances on thoseAug 17 21:37
schestowitzSo they can attain 99.9% detection accuracy on FRGC (NIST) set, they claimAug 17 21:38
schestowitzender_2600: we're generally not into the whole Big Brother thing in my familyAug 17 21:40
schestowitzI may have mentioned this before, but my brother works for Philips healthcare as a developer and my sister for GE Healthcare also as a developer. It's saving lives, not harming people (except the radiation side effects)Aug 17 21:41
schestowitzI just stick with the research side, mostly medical imagingAug 17 21:41
ender_2600if I didn't rule out all of my concerns it would've bugged me for a whileAug 17 21:42
schestowitzMy siblings need to get exposed to radiation as part of their job, so those suffering are probably them, not those who use their work.Aug 17 21:43
ender_2600but but butAug 17 21:57
ender_2600radiation is Vitimin RAug 17 21:57
ender_2600it helps kill cancer like Vitimin C tooAug 17 21:57
ender_2600that checkpoint tsa radiation based scanner is safe, it has Vitimin RAug 17 21:57
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schestowitzRe: Techrights in the MainstreamAug 17 22:25
schestowitz> Hi!Aug 17 22:25
schestowitz> Aug 17 22:25
schestowitz> For some odd reason I couldn't log in to Techrights to comment. But IAug 17 22:25
schestowitz> want you to know that I sent a loud cheer your way...woo-hoooo!...When IAug 17 22:25
schestowitz> read the "/Techrights in the Mainstream/" post.Aug 17 22:25
schestowitz> Aug 17 22:25
schestowitz> lol...maybe you heard me yell?  I was really loud!  (it even scared theAug 17 22:25
schestowitz> dog!)Aug 17 22:25
schestowitz> Aug 17 22:25
schestowitz> :DAug 17 22:25
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/fcassia/status/103934327993270273?iid=am-27825118013136148496490862&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208Aug 17 22:26
TechrightsSocial@fcassia: @schestowitz I think AMD should jump intot MeeGo bandwagon Whatd'ya think?Ppl tell me it'll never happen AMD is 'cozy with MSFT' +than INTELAug 17 22:26
schestowitzI tihink AMD is already in it. Same with Linaro.Aug 17 22:26
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schestowitzjust had some debate about this...Aug 17 22:54
schestowitz> I do not think premier companies like GE & Philips would over-expose workersAug 17 22:54
schestowitz> and endanger their health and their lives. They would be liable for millionsAug 17 22:54
schestowitz> and millions of dollars. Aug 17 22:54
schestowitzThat's why they have their employees sign a sort of waiver/statement of awareness before taking employment.Aug 17 22:54
schestowitz Aug 17 22:54
schestowitz> Can you give me an idea as to how they are exposed to this radiation?Aug 17 22:54
schestowitzWhen testing on the equipment on which they programs are deployed they are near CT scanners, possibly touching irradiated objects too.Aug 17 22:54
schestowitz> So, is your opinion based on fact or is it merely an opinion. Why wouldAug 17 22:54
schestowitz> they endanger or even sacrifice their own lives? I cannotAug 17 22:54
schestowitz> understand that!Aug 17 22:54
schestowitzSome jobs, like airport staff near the x-ray scanners, require sacrifice. How for example do we still have people working in coal mines?Aug 17 22:54
schestowitzhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB126082398582691047.htmlAug 17 22:54
TechrightsSocialTitle: CT Scans Linked to Cancer - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 174.62 KBAug 17 22:54

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