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twitterVMs with SSH forwarding are fun.  You get the software from the VM as if it were native with a little overhead.Aug 22 00:00
twitterI don't do that for non free nasties though. Aug 22 00:00
GoForbes28Why not just use Iceweasel like twitter suggests?  It's Firefox branded for Debian.  It's like saying you won't buy a Mazda2 but you will buy a Fiesta.Aug 22 00:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] If Gadhaffi really wanted to go down fighting, he'd give all state secrets to #wikileaks 22 00:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks news update 22 00:01
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twitterThe problem with Iceweasel is that it lags a little behind the crazy stuff Mozilla pushes out the door.Aug 22 00:01
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GoForbes28That's probably a good thingAug 22 00:02
twitteryes, I like it better that wayAug 22 00:02
GoForbes28Have you tried IceCat?Aug 22 00:02
twitternopeAug 22 00:02
GoForbes28I can't see a meaningful difference between it and IceweaselAug 22 00:03
twitter 22 00:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: GNUzilla and IceCat - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 13 KBAug 22 00:04
GoForbes28There are basically three different Firefox variations that serve the exact same purpose: Iceweasel, IceCat, and Web Browser (Trisquel)Aug 22 00:04
twitterI like the privacy protections, like auto cookie blocking of sites that pull other nastiesAug 22 00:04
schestowitzI think that the firefox package is broken in the repoAug 22 00:05
schestowitzI'll try icecatAug 22 00:05
schestowitzI trid it ages agoAug 22 00:05
schestowitzaround 2007Aug 22 00:05
twitterbut I use Konq with all blocked but a few sitesAug 22 00:05
twitterbblAug 22 00:06
GoForbes28schestowitz: And that doesn't work, there are many other derivatives to tryAug 22 00:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Libyans must learn from the Egyptian secret state archives and get to them before they are destroyed. 22 00:10
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schestowitzAfter 16/8 Firefox did a funny PPSA upgrade thing that messed up the bookmarksAug 22 00:18
schestowitzHere I am 2 hours later with a restored bookmarkAug 22 00:18
schestowitzGoForbes28: the problems I remember of it are that installation took a whileAug 22 00:18
schestowitzAnyway, anothe reason not to use FirefoxAug 22 00:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Now on CBS 60 Minutes: Former NSA security executive Thomas Drake accused of leaking govt docs to media that exposed abuses within NSAAug 22 00:20
schestowitz 22 00:20
TechrightsBot-tr@qu1j0t3: #NYT cheerleading #Libya attacks. Remember the last #war they cheered (and lied) for? cc @schestowitzAug 22 00:20
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schestowitzthe online banking works with koquerror iven the right tweaks nowAug 22 00:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks India: Massive anti-corruption movement grows in India #Annahazare 22 00:25
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schestowitzThe only minor issue I sometimes have with konq is in wordpress uploadsAug 22 00:25
schestowitzIt was the same issue in Fedora 14Aug 22 00:25
schestowitzSo probably a browser bug of some sortsAug 22 00:25
schestowitzSometimes it crashes on file uploads in wordpress for reasons I didn't look too deeply intoAug 22 00:25
GoForbes28bblAug 22 00:26
schestowitzFor everything else, the Web increasingly works well with anything that does html properlyAug 22 00:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[maha/@maha] RT @pumpkin: Daniel Domscheit-Berg aurait détruit 3500 documents soumis à !Wikileaks avant septembre 2010 #DeletedLeaksAug 22 00:26
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Daniel Domscheit-Berg aurait détruit 3500 documents soumis à Wikileaks  | geek politics .::. Size~: 40.76 KBAug 22 00:26
schestowitzwowAug 22 00:27
schestowitzdebian kde comes with kwriteAug 22 00:27
schestowitzI thought it was deprecatedAug 22 00:27
schestowitzWowAug 22 00:28
schestowitzTwitter DID get messed uAug 22 00:28
schestowitzNow I get the same spam from different friends in twiterAug 22 00:29
schestowitz"Did you hear about how i make money from home part-time? u should give it a shot here" SPAM LINKAug 22 00:29
schestowitz"ROFL this pic i found of you had me dying lol" SPAM LINK]Aug 22 00:29
schestowitz!google twitter direct message spamAug 22 00:30
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Avoiding Twitter Direct Message Spam | Jeff Harbert's Blog | 22 00:30
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Twitter Help Center | 22 00:30
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - How to Stop Direct Message Spam on Twitter | 22 00:30
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - How Twitter Can Fix Direct Message Spam | Matt Singley | Social ... | 22 00:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Very good article on how the UK's media-mad-magistrates responded to London's riots | Guardian 22 00:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Will France demand resource rights from post-Ghadaffi Libya, as it did with Francophone Africa? 22 00:50
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schestowitzdid you see 22 00:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Gates Keepers :: A defence of a critic of the Gates Foundation .::. Size~: 20.42 KBAug 22 00:58
GoForbes28" A defence of a critic of the Gates Foundation"Aug 22 01:03
GoForbes28schestowitz: Twitter, heh.  Thank Free software for :)Aug 22 01:03
GoForbes28schestowitz: Why can't he just be a critic of the Gates Foundation? :SAug 22 01:07
twitteryou can probably thank free software for Twitter too, but non free software on client computers reduces everyone's security directly and indirectlyAug 22 01:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Al Jazeera Arabic says rebel sources claim to have taken control of the Libya State TV bldg in TripoliAug 22 01:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Link to Libyan TV channel 22 01:20
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schestowitzTwitter is where people hang out in larger numbersAug 22 01:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jordigh/@jordigh] So, guys, it's almost time for the second !octave code sprint!Aug 22 01:41
twitterIf Twitter has been hacked, they probably got in through someone's Windows desktop at the company.  I surprised the place has not been hacked over and over by spammers.Aug 22 01:43
schestowitzanother possibility is that the emails were fakeAug 22 01:46
schestowitzBut it's very unlikelyAug 22 01:46
schestowitzWHat the Microsoft press playing ball for Microsoft 22 01:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Judge Dismisses Google's Complaint in Android Lawsuit -- .::. Size~: 57.84 KBAug 22 01:47
schestowitzAnd against GoogleAug 22 01:47
schestowitzGuess who links to ot?Aug 22 01:47
schestowitz 22 01:48
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Linux Today - Judge Dismisses Google's Complaint in Android Lawsuit .::. Size~: 59.29 KBAug 22 01:48
schestowitzMicrosoft enters the case to troll GoogleAug 22 01:48
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: Interview: SciRuby Team .::. Size~: 53.93 KBAug 22 01:48
schestowitz25,000 Danish hospital staff to move to LibreOffice 22 01:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 25,000 Danish hospital staff to move to LibreOffice - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 38.38 KBAug 22 01:59
twitterIf the Microsoft article can be trusted, but it can't, the judge in the case is strange.  Microsoft pulled a fast one and their expert witness testimony at the last instant, despite being told that Google should have time to research objections.  Instead of rejecting the Microsoft expert, the judge demanded "good faith" effort documentation from Google, as if there was anything Google could do.  The trial starts tomorrow.  The story was wAug 22 02:05
twitterWhat kind of good faith letter could Google have written and how many days should they have waited for a reply which never would have come.Aug 22 02:06
twitterA reasonable person would tell Microsoft that they had acted too late and would have to proceed with what they had before.Aug 22 02:08
twitterA judge that knows how Microsoft operates might have demanded to know when Microsoft decided they wanted this particular "expert" by asking for emailAug 22 02:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] #Cybersource important recent post- #Bilski case invalidating #swpats (pdf)Aug 22 02:23
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting application/pdf typeAug 22 02:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Rd @AJEnglish: Gaddafi confirms to @AJArabic that he's been detained - tune in to @AJEnglish for latest analysis: #libyaAug 22 02:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @fontana I don't think anyone wants to use proprietary software just b/c they want to use some software that happens to be proprietaryAug 22 02:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @fontana given *informed* choice between Free and non-Free version of the same software, I believe anyone would choose FreeAug 22 02:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @fontana heh. and I'm the only representative of my generation. it's *my* generation, all mine, har har har :-)Aug 22 02:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @clacke you're most likely correct, but I'm not sure.Aug 22 02:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] O.o I lost my block of @tedks tooAug 22 02:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Rt @Red_Hat_APAC: In five years, Red Hat CEO Jim Whitehurst sees the traditional desktop becoming obsolete. 22 02:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @osamak: Very good article: "Nobody Asked For A Refrigerator Fee" 22 02:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Nobody Asked For A Refrigerator Fee | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 32.1 KBAug 22 02:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Very disappointed the Dr Tan Cheng Bock supports the death penalty. And for a medical doctor at that. #fb #sgpoliticsAug 22 02:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @osamak: Very good article: "Nobody Asked For A Refrigerator Fee" 22 03:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Nobody Asked For A Refrigerator Fee | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 32.1 KBAug 22 03:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Thx @BoltBus for selling me a ticket to a bus that didn't show up (8/21 8:15/9:15 Greenbellt-> NY).Aug 22 03:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ghostler/@ghostler] RT @schestowitz #FusionGarage Makes #Linux Tablets #crunchpad #joojoo #androidAug 22 03:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Fusion Garage follows JooJoo with Grid10 tablet, Grid4 smartphone - Mobile Magazine .::. Size~: 47.54 KBAug 22 03:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] "Curry Curry nights" - brilliant, @mrbrown #fb #sgpoliticsAug 22 03:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Curry Night  (With Lyric and Sing along) - MrBrown Show Production       - YouTube .::. Size~: 96.3 KBAug 22 03:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @clacke Although, historical record suggests rapid early growth of use of #Linux was largely by users w/o previous #Unix experience.Aug 22 03:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fontana really? interesting. Is #minix counted as unix experience?Aug 22 04:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @tekk no, I'm thinking of right after the recruitment of #minix defectors, newbies were coming from #MSDOS world. This was still ~1992.Aug 22 04:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fontana hmm....I suppose people were dropping dos for SLD just like they currently drop windows for the countless modern distros :PAug 22 04:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] If you think getting rid of #Gaddafi was hard, wait till you see what happens when Libyans try to get rid of NATO.Aug 22 04:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @wikileaks2: If you think getting rid of #Gaddafi was hard, wait till you see what happens when Libyans try to get rid of NATO.Aug 22 04:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fontana warning of dangers and critical analysis are important tools; but we often do not use them constructively.Aug 22 05:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fontana Harmony got more exposure due to the approach taken than necessary and feeling was overtly negative for little purpose by the end.Aug 22 05:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fontana i say that as the first person i know of to publicly blog about why i could not sign Canonical's CLA.Aug 22 05:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fontana the real issue is that if we ballance the neg with the pos efforts, publicly the neg are far more visible and large.Aug 22 05:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk You are allowed to outline. You are allowed to develop characters, do research. The outline is the most important. !NaNoWriMoAug 22 05:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk oh, and join the !NaNoWriMo group here :)Aug 22 05:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Ghadafi is about to check out.Aug 22 05:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] When you are the new guy and you have to say hi to everyone.Aug 22 05:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk The NaNoWriMo website is currently full of everything from 2010; they wipe everything at end of September for a fresh start October...Aug 22 05:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk you might want to poke around there and see what's what, but if you start building a profile, make sure you back it up :)Aug 22 06:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Seif captured. Revolution! #khaddafi #lyAug 22 06:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] It is a criminal offence in Russia to drive around in a dirty car.Aug 22 06:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] it takes naught but a fool to point out when someone trips and falls on their face; it takes thought and care to note when they get back up.Aug 22 06:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @ossguy Free #wifi at #YVR (provided by #Google) gives 6 Mbps up, levels off at 1 Mbps down (bursts higher), has captive portal, no I ...Aug 22 06:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Week starts now.Aug 22 06:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] whooops wrong... error... that is NOT the right URLAug 22 07:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Monday's serialization segment of !InconstantMoon is posted !SelfPuB (the correct chapter this time :)Aug 22 07:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @bobjonkman @woolwichnews sez: The federal gov't is preparing to erode your civil liberties in its new omnibus bill ...Aug 22 07:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] and while I'm at it, good morning @kevieAug 22 07:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”~B.Franklin !q !CdnPoliAug 22 07:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: Application – Manoeuvre for Nokia N9/N950 – #MeeGo #Harmattan #Nokia #N9 #N950Aug 22 07:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @bobduffy: The Daily Mobile Awesome is out! ▸ Top stories today via @alextootchie @bobduffyAug 22 07:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @neptune78 “The highest result of education is tolerance.” ~ Helen Keller !qAug 22 07:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @QSpotN900: #QSpot 0.9.3-1 now available from extras-testing repo. Please test and vote at #maemo #n900Aug 22 08:06
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TechrightsBot-tr@mzsafiya: @GatesFoundation pushing deathseeds of @MonsantoCo apparently @BillGates has no conscience 22 08:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @fayazbhai Indian judiciary embraces !ubuntu #indiaAug 22 08:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Royal charities lobbied ministers and officials, papers reveal - WTF?Aug 22 08:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @quaid ♺ @osamak Very good article: "Nobody Asked For A Refrigerator Fee" ...Aug 22 08:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Non-Windows Operating Systems for the Beginner #linux #bsd #windowsAug 22 08:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz Non-Windows Operating Systems for the Beginner #linux #bsd #windowsAug 22 08:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Rd @haris "Why atheists must not be silent" <<good article; I never looked at it like that; thanks for new perspective.Aug 22 08:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] These guys are insane: it's like they cast about for ridiculous things to squander money on to justify high costs 22 08:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Since when does Google is offer to block search results? !privacy #1984 22 09:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] First Impressions of #PuppyLinux Lucid 5.2.8 "I really enjoy using Linux a lot."Aug 22 09:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Users voted for best KDE-based Linux distribution !kde #gnu #linuxAug 22 09:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Big Blue Tweaks Red Hat Deal for Power Systems "variants running on Power Systems machines." #gnu #linux #ibmAug 22 09:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ubuntu tweaks Unity UI, adds ARM for servers #unity #ubuntu #gnu #linux !armAug 22 09:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Open Source is an Ecosystem, not a Zero Sum Game "This was the explicit message from Ubuntu Technical Architect"Aug 22 09:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Omnibus Bills are terribly undemocratic dor instance "Investigating and Preventing Criminal Electronic Communications Act" !Canada !CdnPoliAug 22 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @baptistredbloom CCTV creates a huge intrusion on !privacy, yet provides little or no improvement in !security. 22 09:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @faconti: Em 24/08, 13hs, #Avaaz #IDEC e #MegaNão convidam todos p/ ato contra o #AI5digital na rampa do Congresso 22 09:46
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schestowitzok, off to cheshireAug 22 09:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Finally it's a sunny day today. Bike trip to Cheshire organised....Aug 22 10:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] g'nite !identiverseAug 22 10:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] TEIID 7.5 released. Yay! #fbAug 22 10:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jargon/@jargon] Wiki war: 3500 unpublished leaks destroyed forever as Assange hits out !wlAug 22 10:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jargon/@jargon] fuck u,#DDB. !wlAug 22 10:38
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inkDr Roy Schestowits please make contact with Mr Hilton at wrt 22 11:48
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ThistleWebink: roy is out cycling today, it maybe a better idea to email him that noticeAug 22 11:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] FROM WOUNDED KNEE TO LIBYA: A CENTURY OF U.S. MILITARY INTERVENTIONS. #NATOAug 22 11:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Waiting for the tracking number of my emaker huxley kit shipment.Aug 22 11:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #ShortCircuit seems like a #propaganda movie for closed development models "NO DISASSEMBLE!" #Jonny5Aug 22 11:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] The solution to bad regulation is good regulation - and not NO regulation. See the financial market for some support of my statement ;-)Aug 22 12:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RT @jwildeboer The solution to bad regulation is good regulation - and not NO regulation. See the financial market for some support of m ...Aug 22 12:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] The supplied screws, plugs and brackets were as much use sticky tape for a plasterboard faced wall.Aug 22 12:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] #mustread for developers of federated, decentralised solutions IMHO: 22 12:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Exactly. #fb 22 12:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] City of Rome plans to sue Apple for copying the colosseum and wants to enforce their rights for ring shaped buildings. #justkiddingAug 22 12:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Tendulkar has just been dropped.Aug 22 12:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] rumor has it that @herlo got TWO #ouchpadAug 22 13:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Get a clue ShengSiong - filling in contest forms is just plain stupid. #fb 22 13:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] RIP Jack Layton: 1950-2011 ( #NDP #CanadaAug 22 14:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] A Big Round of Face-Palms For HP 22 14:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] you'd think #Triploi would be the spiritual home of the netbook #EEE #pronunciation #ASUSAug 22 14:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Interesting answer to the Google Real Names policy argument 22 14:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] WordPress powers 14.7 per cent of the top million web sites (H): 22 14:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] HP store germany still asks 399/499 EUR for the Touchpad while US/Canada get them at 99 $. #justsayinAug 22 14:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] HP's WebOS Is Now a Competitive Advantage Waiting to Happen #webos #hpAug 22 14:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Just realized I'd been assuming @tekk and @tedks were the same person. Explains some prior confusion.Aug 22 15:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] "The scandal of Tony Tan, Singapore presidential candidate" - #fg #sgpoliticsAug 22 15:05
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iophkcracking embedded medical devicesAug 22 15:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Since Orlowski truly does understand the difference between Libre and Gratis, I assume his Register article on Android is 100% troll.Aug 22 15:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Scholarships for female security students 22 15:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @fontana has happened to me on occasion as well.Aug 22 15:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] anyone know if the latest #Mint #XFCE RC iso is xfce 4.8? or 4.6? 22 15:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Beware: Europe's 'unitary patent' could mean unlimited software #patents 22 15:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] [EigenWerbung] Meine Mama macht tolle Sachen. Weitersagen. 22 15:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fontana 2 letters make a world of difference ;)Aug 22 15:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[vejeta/@vejeta] ♻ @jargon Wiki war: 3500 unpublished leaks destroyed forever as Assange hits out !wlAug 22 15:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] RT @toscalix !KDE eV 2Q 2011 report. Check out what the legal entity behind a mature libre soft. project usually do/promote: http://bit. ...Aug 22 15:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Cornell's Fake Review Detector Is A+++ Would Use Again (Gizmodo): 22 15:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] another hugely long day over(ish). going to relax a bit and then hit the sack. several good meetings today, however.Aug 22 16:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @threethirty ♻ @AndroidPolice: "Hitler learns HP is abandoning WebOS" - some serious, serious lulz in there. The ending is priceless ...Aug 22 16:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] is it just me or does "dial-a-ride" sound like a delivery prostitute service?Aug 22 16:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] This is extremely funny. via @threethirtyAug 22 16:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fontana interesting. We still must give #Yggdrasil a lot of credit for being the first ever live cd though :PAug 22 16:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 that's what I'm guessing, it doesn't upgrade well, that's why I'm asking, I'd rather install as 4.8 than upgradeAug 22 16:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] So webOS is well and truly effing dead!Aug 22 16:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @reality Poor WebOS. I liked it :(Aug 22 16:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 well googled ty, I hunted around the #Mint site but couldn't find anything, Clem is on holiday now with patchy internet thoughAug 22 16:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 no, I multiboot, I had intended #Mint #XFCE to be one of the OS'sAug 22 16:12
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: Who is "Clem"?Aug 22 16:12
ThistleWebClem is the lead dev on MintAug 22 16:12
ThistleWebMint is Clem's projectAug 22 16:12
GoForbes28Ah, my second or third guess :PAug 22 16:14
GoForbes28Though Mint XFCE is a community projectAug 22 16:14
GoForbes28Like XubuntuAug 22 16:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Education Reform: Insert your favorite "Wrath of Khan" joke blog title here | #openedu #edreformAug 22 16:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Ombudsman. It time is now. Accountability, transparency and justice. - #fb #sgpoliticsAug 22 16:15
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ThistleWebit is, Clem is the lead dev acrosss the whole mint teamAug 22 16:17
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GoForbes28schestowitz: 22 16:19
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GoForbes28Makes no mention of Microsoft's/Apple's malicious behaviourAug 22 16:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 did Testing beforeAug 22 16:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Federal Push for ‘Cloud’ Technology Faces Skepticism (New York Times): 22 16:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Ban Ki-Moon makes the sort of UN speech we have come to expect from him. I suspect he has a NATO flag tattooed on his arse.Aug 22 16:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: There will be no regular LO live show today but we'll be recording a live interview with Randal Schwartz at 18:00 UTC as usual.Aug 22 16:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Thanks everyone for the birthday wishes! :)Aug 22 17:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] "What are CC licenses?" a video by the University of Oxford uploaded to YouTube under CC BY: #OERAug 22 17:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Patent protection advocate calls for help in hindering Nortel patent sale ⚫ Julie Bort 22 17:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fabsh wow you're barely older than !GNUAug 22 17:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] @fontana Macs @ OSCON = mostly developers running OSX; PCs @ LinuxCon = mostly businesspeople running Windows.Aug 22 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] trying to figure out what #heehaw means by looking through the tag timeline...Aug 22 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @copiesofcopies I think that's true. Where I could shoulder-surf, I saw more #Windows usage than #Linux usageAug 22 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @tekk I have come to the conclusion that #heehaw is quite simply the canterbury project of #troll ingAug 22 17:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] New 2011-2012 Ubuntu Women Leadership Team Announced from UbuntuFridge by @akgraner 22 17:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Web Surfing Helps at Work, Study Says (WSJ): 22 17:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Idea: !AGPL detrimental to #StatusNet and #Diaspora, and possibly for similar reasons.Aug 22 17:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] what idiot decided to put shiny screens on netbooks? Back in the day when computer screens were monochrome they knew better #marchingmorons?Aug 22 17:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fontana how so?Aug 22 17:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Confused by all the people celebrating 20 years of Linux, when it wasn't free software until 1992.Aug 22 17:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] @tekk all set to play live trivia again tonight?Aug 22 17:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Touchpad now also at 99/129 EUR, pre3 at 79 EUR, veer at 59 EUR. Finally webOS becomes the #1 selling mobile OS (at least for a day)Aug 22 17:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] My colleague Agam asked if I knew any HP PC users, & I actually had to think for minute to recall anyone I knew still using PCs. Weird.Aug 22 17:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana Uh-huh. :)Aug 22 17:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] +Sascha Lobo 2.0? Oder sein Bruder? Weiss wohl nur seine Mutter :-) +Mario Sixtus , übernehmen Sie die Ermitllungen. D... 22 17:45
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SnitWhat malicious behavior?Aug 22 17:50
SnitHi GoblinAug 22 17:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @cwebber New !GNU !MediaGoblin release not out for a week, but want to see some spoilers? htt ...Aug 22 17:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ZOMG! Etherpad Lite V1 released! 22 17:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] @fontana I hear you can get a free @bkuhn with every purchase.Aug 22 17:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] ♺ @lxoliva: @mattl yeah. Linux: 16 years of lack of freedom. was Free from 1992 to 1996.Aug 22 17:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @copiesofcopies The important question though is less what OS was in use but what apps were being used on it.Aug 22 18:07
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schestowitz_Goblin: hello :-)Aug 22 18:10
schestowitzGoForbes28: indeed. Spin based on one's vested interestsAug 22 18:11
ThistleWeb<ink> HelloAug 22 18:11
ThistleWeb<ink> Dr Roy Schestowits please make contact with Mr Hilton at wrt 22 18:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] i start at ~48 minutes in. huzzah. 22 18:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Congrats to @opencourselib for winning the OCW People's Choice Award for Most Accessible #OER project 22 18:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Oops must boycott #KDE no offense. Back to #GNOME 3 it is.Aug 22 18:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fontana hmm? Can we have a bit of context for this?Aug 22 18:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I want to watch Nightwatch at a reasonable hour so I do not fall asleep before the end.Aug 22 18:31
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schestowitzmy headphones got ruined todayAug 22 18:43
schestowitzGot caught in the bushAug 22 18:43
schestowitzAfter almost 7 hours in the canals I got sloppy and let it hang looseAug 22 18:44
schestowitzfunny sentence I know..Aug 22 18:44
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schestowitzanyway, the one earpiece got decapitatedAug 22 18:45
schestowitz_Goblin: when can we record next episode?Aug 22 18:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] listening to ozzed on my laptop.......using a modern computer for music that could be played on @bkuhn's first computer. ah, #progressAug 22 18:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @webmink @bkuhn Can you actually see my desk from there, or is this the just arbitrary judgementalism that scares most citizens away ...Aug 22 18:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Software patents: foolish business. Guardian editorial. #swpatsAug 22 18:53
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GoForbes28schestowitz: Is the part about Google losing money true though?Aug 22 18:55
schestowitzlosing in what area?Aug 22 18:57
GoForbes28"He notes that Android is not a moneymaker for Google. It?s been a loss leader."Aug 22 19:00
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GoForbes28It seems purposely vagueAug 22 19:04
GoForbes28I agree with the point that the deal may have been ill-advised, but not from the perspective they are coming from.Aug 22 19:05
GoForbes28Namely, the should have fought for legislative change instead.Aug 22 19:05
GoForbes28They want to play the game by the same rules, and that is simply not going to work.Aug 22 19:06
GoForbes28The Liberal Party in Canada tried to campaign with the traditional rules of politics, without considering that the CPA had discarded those rules.Aug 22 19:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Finally got a success in creating a "audio seekbar" based SVG animation. Some very cool demo will come ! #svg #eduvidAug 22 19:06
GoForbes28I'm afraid Google myight be doing the same.Aug 22 19:07
GoForbes28Or rather, is.Aug 22 19:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Introduced @fredmanglis to today, hope it takes.Aug 22 19:08
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GoForbes28schestowitz: My favourite part of the article: "How much of it would go to Microsoft, another arch nemesis??"Aug 22 19:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fontana come on, mind telling us mortals why to boycott #kde? ;)Aug 22 19:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security advisories for Monday 22 19:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @tekk Because @aseigo appeared as a guest on the #Linux Action Show and I have pledged to boycott projects whose leaders appear thereon.Aug 22 19:10
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GoForbes28Number one: I like how Apple and Microsoft are the only two mobile OS choices; no Meego, no resurrected WebOS.Aug 22 19:10
GoForbes28Two: Android can be forked.Aug 22 19:10
GoForbes28Three: I bet people are willing to downgrade to WP7 crap from the far superior Android experience.  'Cause that's logical, I guess.Aug 22 19:11
SnitI agree with the idea of legislative change - the current system is not workingAug 22 19:12
MinceRpeople were also willing to downgrade to hypeOS from much more capable mobile OS-esAug 22 19:12
SnitSo what do you suggest that will protect the innovations of companies while not leading to the insanity of lawsuits we are currently seeing?Aug 22 19:13
SnitDownplaying the importance of the innovation is not the answer.Aug 22 19:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Can I safely assume any package beginning with a k is associated with #KDE?Aug 22 19:13
MinceRmost of the things they call "innovation" aren'tAug 22 19:13
GoForbes28Snit: I agree with Roy that software patents should be abolished, period.Aug 22 19:13
SnitSo how do you protect the innovations of companies?Aug 22 19:14
SnitI do not care what laws it comes under... but it should be done.Aug 22 19:14
GoForbes28Copyright.Aug 22 19:14
SnitAnd not just at the level of the code, but at the level of the UIAug 22 19:14
MinceRthe UI is generated by codeAug 22 19:14
SnitDoes copyright include UI and packaging and device design?Aug 22 19:14
GoForbes28Well, if the UI become ubiquitous, it isn't an innovation.Aug 22 19:15
SnitMinceR: of course.  Has anyone suggested otherwise?Aug 22 19:15
MinceRyou didAug 22 19:15
SnitBut if you make a UI, I do not need to see the code to copy it.Aug 22 19:15
MinceRnormal patents protect implementations and production processes, not vague ideas, as software patents doAug 22 19:15
SnitMinceR: you did not understand my comments.  Aug 22 19:15
MinceRin the case of software, products are protected by copyrightAug 22 19:15
SnitMinceR: does that cover the things I listed - UIs, for example?Aug 22 19:16
SnitOr just the code itself?Aug 22 19:16
GoForbes28I don't see how an design staying exactly the same with minute differences can still be called an innovation year after year.Aug 22 19:16
MinceRthe codeAug 22 19:16
MinceRalso icons and fontsAug 22 19:16
_Goblinschestowitz: hello mate.....tuesday?Aug 22 19:16
MinceRwhat else should be covered?Aug 22 19:16
SnitSo it does not protect the UI and the like... other than very specific things.  Then it needs to be expanded before other protections are removedAug 22 19:16
GoForbes28Innovations are short-period things.Aug 22 19:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Register now for the Open Government Data Camp! Taking place in Warsaw, Oct 20-21: #opendataAug 22 19:16
GoForbes28short-term things.Aug 22 19:16
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MinceRSnit: what about the UI do you want to "protect"?Aug 22 19:17
SnitOh, I agree that the protections should not be forever.Aug 22 19:17
SnitMinceR: the design, the method of getting things done, etc.  When appropriate, of course.Aug 22 19:17
GoForbes28Protections is what allowed this mess to begin in the first place.Aug 22 19:17
MinceRSnit: earlier you seemed to want consistency. now you want every app to have different method of getting things done. which one do you want?Aug 22 19:18
SnitIf a company makes a tool which is significantly easier to use than what is out there, others should not be able to just take that innovation.  Aug 22 19:18
GoForbes28Apple's protecting of the UI in the 80's killed off most of the potential competition, leading to the monopoly we have nowAug 22 19:18
MinceRyou can't have both.Aug 22 19:18
SnitMinceR: I said nothing about consistency here.Aug 22 19:18
MinceRand if the company only has a vague idea to profit from, then perhaps they need some other business to try.Aug 22 19:18
MinceRideas are worth nothing without implementation.Aug 22 19:18
GoForbes28A free-market economy works best will smaller firms and lots of competitionAug 22 19:18
SnitBut if you want to include my views on that, too... we can.  I do not see the contradiction.  Maybe you can explain where you think there is oneAug 22 19:18
SnitMinceR: vague idea?  About what?Aug 22 19:19
MinceRSnit: if you were allowed to patent the look-and-feel of a UI, all UIs would have to be different enough as to be inconsistent with each other, to avoid violating patentsAug 22 19:19
GoForbes28MinceR: exactlyAug 22 19:19
MinceRSnit: software patents are always about vaguely defined ideasAug 22 19:19
SnitGoForbes: Say a small firm makes a better, easier to use UI.  Why should Apple be able to take it without paying for it?Aug 22 19:19
SnitOr MS.  Or anyone else?Aug 22 19:19
MinceRthey can't take it if the small firm does copyright licensing properlyAug 22 19:20
SnitMinceR: who says one UI on one device needs to be consistent with another on another device?Aug 22 19:20
GoForbes28Furthermore Snit, this happened anyway regardless of "patents"Aug 22 19:20
GoForbes28Apple did take Xerox's ideasAug 22 19:20
SnitMinceR: so you are for being able to copyright UIs.  OK, then we agree.Aug 22 19:20
MinceRSnit: i didn't say anything about different devices. UIs from different developers usually run on the same device.Aug 22 19:20
SnitGoForbes: no, they did not.  But if you think otherwise then support it.  I will say Apple *paid* for some ideas by Xerox... and them modified them quite a bitAug 22 19:21
MinceRactually they didAug 22 19:21
MinceRlearn your IT historyAug 22 19:21
GoForbes28Bill Gates took the idea of DOS too.Aug 22 19:21
SnitMinceR: and for that the developer of that device should allow its own developers to use the UI.  Why would they not?  Aug 22 19:22
SnitMinceR: so support your claim.Aug 22 19:22
SnitGoForbes: there is more support for that.  Yes.Aug 22 19:22
GoForbes28Hence my point.Aug 22 19:22
SnitBut the idea that Apple *took* ideas from Xerox is not supported.  They *purchased* some IP and then expanded it.Aug 22 19:22
GoForbes28It is the same arguement for DRMAug 22 19:22
SnitAnd I am not supporting MS for doing so.Aug 22 19:23
SnitNor am I supporting Apple for its mistakes - such as claiming "App Store" is their own term.  Rubbish.  Just absurd.Aug 22 19:23
SnitBut back to the topic: if some small company comes up with a better way to get a task done, a way that is handled by a superior user experience, that should be something they can protect.Aug 22 19:24
GoForbes28The idea is that DRM is needed to protect against copying or code modification or what not, when it is completely ineffective against determined enough programmers and instead inflicts itself on regular users.Aug 22 19:24
SnitBut this is tricky - it is something that others can see and of course they will be inspired by it.  So what is natural inspiration or whatever and what is unfair?Aug 22 19:24
SnitRight now there is no good line - and by the nature of innovation I am not sure there can be.  How can you make clear rules on things which have yet to be invented?Aug 22 19:25
SnitBut the current system sucks.Aug 22 19:25
SnitThere are some things which should be pretty clear: limit the time of the protection.  Whatever time we pick will be largely arbitrary... but maybe 5-10 years.  Aug 22 19:26
SnitBut then do others get to use Mickey Mouse in their own movies?  Can I make the next Muppet movie?  No... that does not seem right.Aug 22 19:26
GoForbes28A non-profit Free software community more easily copy an idea, because the barriers that prevented them from doing so are gone.Aug 22 19:26
GoForbes28Snit: Mickey should by all means be in the public domain.Aug 22 19:27
GoForbes28And yes, if you don't violate the copyright, you can make a muppet movie.Aug 22 19:27
SnitGoForbes: I do not think anyone is against people having the choice to not protect their ideas.  Or to offer more rights but still have limits (like the GPL)Aug 22 19:27
GoForbes28Those are completely separate from software anyhow.Aug 22 19:27
GoForbes28Don't mix issues.Aug 22 19:27
SnitSo can I make a copy of MS Office that looks the same - other than the name and maybe some small differences in the way icons look?Aug 22 19:28
SnitBut it is about protecting one's work.Aug 22 19:28
SnitThere simply is no good, clear answerAug 22 19:28
SnitBut with software: look at the MS Office question.  Maybe a bad example - too many people see "MS" and freak out and stop thinking.Aug 22 19:29
SnitSo should MS be able to make Bing look just like Google if they want?Aug 22 19:29
SnitCopy all of the innovations that Google brings to search and their other services... right after Google does so?Aug 22 19:29
GoForbes28Well, you are assuming that either a) the person responsible has access to the original MS Office source code and has simply rebranded it, or b) Can create a instantaneous clone miraculous with completely original code.Aug 22 19:29
SnitI say no.  Google has rights over their products.Aug 22 19:29
GoForbes28Which is ludacrousAug 22 19:30
GoForbes28It takes time for these things to happen with our current technology level.Aug 22 19:30
SnitI am talking principles... and OpenOffice already provides a good amount of such code.Aug 22 19:30
SnitSo you say let the technology handle it - let people copy each other as fast as they can?Aug 22 19:30
SnitNot sure what your point is.Aug 22 19:31
GoForbes28Microsoft has plenty have time to innovate or provide an alternate means of making money, whether through support whatever.Aug 22 19:31
SnitI asked about Google - should MS be able to completely copy their services?Aug 22 19:31
GoForbes28Or they can make Office a better product.Aug 22 19:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fontana ahAug 22 19:31
SnitBut then somebody can take that better product.  Aug 22 19:31
GoForbes28Yep, which mean Microsoft can't sit still.  They have to adapt to the changing environmentAug 22 19:32
SnitSo what about the other way... funny how you ignore that.  Should MS be able to take Google's products and copy them?Aug 22 19:32
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GoForbes28They can't.  They are a solitary company.Aug 22 19:32
GoForbes28Well, I can only address one point at a time Snit.  In a real, civilised conversation, one doesn't interrupt another when they are trying to answer an initial question.Aug 22 19:33
SnitShould MS be able to take Google's products and copy them?  Should Bing be able to look and work just like Google?  Should their online Office products be able to look and act just like Google's?  Etc.?Aug 22 19:33
SnitLOL!Aug 22 19:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fontana though I'm not entirely sure that a boycott is appropriate for this. boycotts work when there's something to fix.Aug 22 19:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fontana and how can @aseigo take back an #las show?Aug 22 19:33
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SnitIn other words: there is one answer when MS is copied, but another answer when Google is copied.Aug 22 19:33
GoForbes28They can try, sureAug 22 19:34
SnitSo you have no problem with MS copying Google to that level.Aug 22 19:34
GoForbes28Google has to innovate tooAug 22 19:34
SnitInteresting.Aug 22 19:34
SnitAnd as soon as Google changes something MS should be able to copy that, too.Aug 22 19:34
GoForbes28In an ideal world, we would have several search engines covering a broad spectrum of needs, I.E. privacyAug 22 19:34
SnitEven if the idea is one that is very clever and innovative and a great benefit to the user... but not that hard to copy.Aug 22 19:34
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GoForbes28Yeah, because if your situation was correct, and Google and Microsoft were the only two companies in this market apparently, then I would want them to fight each other until they were both at a position that allowed other competition to come it.Aug 22 19:36
SnitSeems your idea of protection is that things which are easy to copy, even if innovative and a great benefit to users, should not really be something one can protect.  I disagree - I support the idea that there should be focus and innovation in those areas and understand that protection of people's work is a benefit to gain that.Aug 22 19:36
SnitNobody is stopping other search engines... but none really have gained much of a foothold.  Still, there are other options out there.Aug 22 19:37
GoForbes28SnitL Innovation occurs regardless of protection.  Bittorrent didn't happen because someone promised a lot of benefits and "protection".Aug 22 19:38
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schestowitz_Goblin: sure!Aug 22 19:38
SnitSo you do not recognize how protection of people's work can help to encourage such work.  Ok, fair enough.  Now we see where we differ in our ideas.Aug 22 19:39
SnitNot sure there is much middle ground there...Aug 22 19:39
SnitBut I am OK with that.Aug 22 19:39
SnitGoblin and Schestowitz: any idea when I can be on the show next?  Things are clearing up for me and I can do it late this month or next month.  Would really love to.Aug 22 19:40
GoForbes28schestowitz: Will you use that article in upcoming post?Aug 22 19:40
GoForbes28Snit: I recognize that copyright should exist yes.  I think that in some form, patents for physical products could work better yes.Aug 22 19:41
GoForbes28I do however, favour minimalism in lieu of the opposite extreme.  Copyright should be at most 10 years, etc.Aug 22 19:41
SnitI think 10 years is fairAug 22 19:42
Snitand I agree the current system is not working... for anyoneAug 22 19:43
SnitBut I do not agree with the idea that Company 1 should be able to take the ideas of Company 2 no matter how innovative those ideas are.Aug 22 19:43
SnitBut measuring innovation is very challenging... Aug 22 19:43
SnitI see folks such as Roy just denying it left and right... and that I think is absurd.  But I also see folks trying to protect things they should not (one click shopping, the term "App Store", etc.)Aug 22 19:44
SnitAnd that is just as absurd.Aug 22 19:44
SnitAnd how about the logo of a company.  Should others be able to use the Mickey Mouse logo or the Apple logo... or Tux?Aug 22 19:45
SnitI say no - those are owned pretty much for the lifetime of the controlling company.Aug 22 19:46
GoForbes28I think it's absurd that a non-profit Free software community should be attacked because it manages to do a better job then the company selling software.Aug 22 19:46
SnitWho is attacking it?  And for what?Aug 22 19:46
GoForbes28No, that's a matter of trademarks, a completely separate series of laws.Aug 22 19:46
SnitRight: there are all sorts of IP laws.Aug 22 19:46
SnitBut back to your topic of people attacking free software for doing things better.  Can you give some examples?Aug 22 19:47
GoForbes28I don't recognize the term IP, because at it's very core it's a stupid coneptAug 22 19:47
GoForbes28libdvdcssAug 22 19:47
GoForbes28Well, technically that was the MPAA and suchAug 22 19:47
SnitOh, come on, even kids get the concept of IP.  I make X... little Johnny copies me... he is wrong.Aug 22 19:48
GoForbes28that isn't propertyAug 22 19:48
Snitcomplaints about libdvdcss were not able it being better quality.Aug 22 19:48
SnitIt is someone's idea... their work.  Aug 22 19:49
GoForbes28the term Intellectual property allows a company to obscure what they actually hold in order to exploit.Aug 22 19:49
GoForbes28but anyway, well under the DMCA no.Aug 22 19:49
Snitproperty: Something tangible or intangible to which its owner has legal titleAug 22 19:49
SnitSo it need not be tangible.  So, yes, it can be property.Aug 22 19:49
SnitThough I would be open to other terms... do you have a better one?Aug 22 19:50
_Goblinhi snitAug 22 19:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] NYC friends: is your company (or one you know) looking for UI/UX/designer folks? (Asking for a very talented friend.)Aug 22 19:50
_Goblinalthough.....Aug 22 19:50
SnitHi GoblinAug 22 19:50
_Goblinnot in uk law......Aug 22 19:50
SnitWould love to be on the show again... Aug 22 19:50
_Goblin(property)Aug 22 19:50
GoForbes28Intangible could mean airspace.Aug 22 19:50
_GoblinSec(1) Theft act....defines property as tangible....Aug 22 19:50
SnitSo what is a better term?  I agree it is not like owning a house or a car.  Your ownership rights are not limited the same wayAug 22 19:51
_Goblin(in respect of permanent deprivation)Aug 22 19:51
GoForbes28If I have a thought, as soon as I share it, it is no longer my own.Aug 22 19:51
SnitWait: theft is a different topic.  Aug 22 19:51
_GoblinSec(1) Theft Act - "To dishonestly appropriate property belonging to another with the intention to permanently deprive the other of it"Aug 22 19:51
SnitGoForbes: so company logos should not be owned?  They are *nothing* but ideas which are shared.Aug 22 19:51
_Goblin*sorryAug 22 19:51
_Goblin*another is incorrect wordingAug 22 19:51
_Goblinits "other"Aug 22 19:52
SnitGoblin: I agree that IP is not "stolen" in the same way physical property is...Aug 22 19:52
GoForbes28Snit: yesAug 22 19:52
SnitAnd that "theft" might not be the best word.Aug 22 19:52
_GoblinI was just sticking my 10p in!Aug 22 19:52
_Goblin;)Aug 22 19:52
_GoblinhoweverAug 22 19:52
SnitGoForbes: So I should be able to use Tux and the term "Linux" however I want?Aug 22 19:52
Snitthey are not owned by anyone - they are ideas which have been shared.  Aug 22 19:52
GoForbes28Snit: Within the boundaries of the established trademark laws.Aug 22 19:52
_Goblinone could argue (if the "theft" involves financial loss) then the "property" part of the theft act is satisfied.Aug 22 19:53
SnitAh, so their *should* be protections.  I agree.Aug 22 19:53
schestowitz[19:06] <GoForbes28> They want to play the game by the same rules, and that is simply not going to work.Aug 22 19:53
*ThistleWeb has given up on the word "linux" and now installs and uses GNU/ThrowatWarblerMangrowAug 22 19:53
schestowitztrue, they can afford itAug 22 19:53
ThistleWebGNU/ThroatWarblerMangrow evenAug 22 19:53
SnitGoblin: right... and even if there is no financial loss, that is not an excuse.  I cannot make my own OS and call it Linux and use Tux as a logo.  Even though Linux is free.Aug 22 19:53
_GoblinIts a strange one though, since much of copyright law (in the uk) falls under civil not criminal law.Aug 22 19:54
GoForbes28Snit: Yes, because there is an *agreement* in place.Aug 22 19:54
SnitAn agreement takes two.  What if I do not agree?Aug 22 19:54
_Goblinand the burden of proof is very different in a civil court to a criminal courtAug 22 19:54
SnitGoblin: true.Aug 22 19:54
SnitBRB... checking on another computer.Aug 22 19:55
SnitBy the way, trying to get XP to work on an old white-box computer.  It *sucks*.  I have never had this much problem with any flavor of Linux on any hardware. To the point I am thinking of installing Linux and running XP in virtualization (I need some Windows programs on it or I would just run Linux).Aug 22 19:56
GoForbes28Snit: How old?Aug 22 19:56
GoForbes28schestowitz: Maybe in light of the economy they simply don't want to take steps that are too radical?Aug 22 19:57
SnitI just got it... do not know how old.  The chipset, though, is the K8N Neo V2.0 H chipset.Aug 22 19:57
SnitWhatever that means.  :)Aug 22 19:57
SnitTrying to get a driver downloaded and installed for it is a pain.  Aug 22 19:57
schestowitz[19:40] <GoForbes28> schestowitz: Will you use that article in upcoming post?Aug 22 19:58
schestowitzIt sounds like a FUD pieceAug 22 19:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Catching up with a mountain of mail. A day off last week and out all weekend does this.Aug 22 19:58
schestowitzBut unless it gets spread like the Mobbyists does (spamming journalists), let's ignoreAug 22 19:58
SnitTo get the driver seems you need to run a utility to find the right one.  But to run that you need to update your browser... and when I do that the machine locks up and will not reboot.Aug 22 19:58
GoForbes28schestowitz: Well, when it quacks, chirps, and gargles like one...Aug 22 19:58
SnitIf anyone has any advice on how to get the blasted thing to work I am all ears.Aug 22 19:59
GoForbes28Snit: Lol, Windows 95 perhaps?Aug 22 19:59
SnitI could try that... :)Aug 22 19:59
SnitIt came with Windows XP.  I made the mistake of upgrading the video driver... and that killed the machine.  Would not boot. So I figured I would just reinstall Win XP.  Aug 22 20:00
SnitAnd since then it has been nothing but a disaster.Aug 22 20:00
SnitI am seriously considering running Linux just to run XP in a virtual machine.  It would be slower, but I bet it would work.Aug 22 20:01
schestowitzGoForbes28: some FUD goes viralAug 22 20:01
schestowitzlike the "Microsoft declares Linux not a threat" FUDAug 22 20:01
SnitAnd the online stuff can be directly on Linux... so that would not be slowerAug 22 20:01
SnitI love how when MS said Linux was a threat that was great evidence... now that MS focuses on Apple more it is FUD.  Gotta love the double standard there.Aug 22 20:01
schestowitzIf it's already polluting the news, then it can be worth a rebuttal. More exposure to it is not a big deal by then.Aug 22 20:02
SnitOk, off to go check on the POS XP machine.Aug 22 20:02
schestowitzsighAug 22 20:02
schestowitzwe even get FUD in IIRC nowAug 22 20:02
schestowitzI blames MattR, not MicrosoftAug 22 20:02
schestowitzbblAug 22 20:02
SnitSchestowitz: why are you sighing over your own FUD?Aug 22 20:04
schestowitzWhen did you stop beating your wife?Aug 22 20:04
DrumScumi'm beating my wife /every day/!Aug 22 20:05
DrumScumha!Aug 22 20:05
DrumScumjust been running KDE 4.7 on the new Gentoo live CDAug 22 20:06
DrumScumwhat a fscking jewelAug 22 20:06
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DrumScumif i ever were to use a bloated desktop environment, KDE 4.7 on Gentoo would be itAug 22 20:07
DrumScumreally wonderful job the gentoo community pulled offAug 22 20:07
DrumScumnever liked KDE on debianAug 22 20:07
DrumScumkind of flakey packagingAug 22 20:08
DrumScumnot quite hitting the markAug 22 20:08
DrumScumbut perhaps that was just how the early 4.x releases wereAug 22 20:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @fontana you speak as if people were no longer confused, in spite of a clear definition ;-)Aug 22 20:08
SnitSchestowitz: you were complaining about FUD.  I assumed you meant your own... OK, I guess you likely meant someone else's.  Can you quote it?Aug 22 20:08
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DrumScumlast release i tried on debian was 4.6Aug 22 20:08
SnitOr are you just making taunts and accusations out of habit these days?Aug 22 20:09
SnitAnyway, would love to set up a date / time for my next appearance on your show.  When are you and Goblin (are you still there?) free?Aug 22 20:10
DrumScumwhich had some improvements, but still not quite 'it'Aug 22 20:10
DrumScum4.7 on  gentoo is wonderful thoughAug 22 20:10
schestowitzDrumScum: I think kde4 gets lighter each releaseAug 22 20:10
schestowitzSo it's not as you impliedAug 22 20:10
schestowitzBut KDE4 is heavier than KDE3 for most thingsAug 22 20:10
schestowitzplasma-desktop alone is quite heavy for old machinesAug 22 20:11
_GoblinSnit: Im always around........ sign of a great goblin!Aug 22 20:11
DrumScumeh, did i imply something?Aug 22 20:11
schestowitzI could run KDE3 on 256MB like I run KDE4 now on 512MBAug 22 20:11
DrumScumin any case, i think you're rightAug 22 20:11
DrumScumkde4.x  gets snappier each releaseAug 22 20:11
schestowitz_Goblin: and if you're not around, I know what number to call :-)Aug 22 20:12
DrumScumdiscovered something neat on gentoo today btwAug 22 20:12
schestowitzThere's always an answerAug 22 20:12
DrumScumi emerged gftp, but forgot to set the gtk USE flagAug 22 20:12
schestowitzDrumScum: remember plasma in 4.3?Aug 22 20:12
schestowitzIt was a bit glitchyAug 22 20:12
schestowitzSometimes the folderview would be out of dateAug 22 20:13
DrumScumso it built WITHOUT GUIAug 22 20:13
schestowitzAnd dragging things, well... would be a dragAug 22 20:13
DrumScumdamn, the command line interface to gftp is *nice*Aug 22 20:13
schestowitzand I had to kill and reastarted plasma-desktop every now and then to reduce  toll on RAMAug 22 20:13
schestowitzThat was around 2008Aug 22 20:13
DrumScumschestowitz: yes, the early releases of KDE/Plasma were quite sloppyAug 22 20:13
schestowitzDrumScum: use Dolphin or Konqueror for S/FTPAug 22 20:13
DrumScumdon't have those installedAug 22 20:14
schestowitzIt's also graphical with drag and drop, previews, kio for work over the network transparentlyAug 22 20:14
SnitGoblin and Schestowitz: so let's pick a date / time.  And, yes, you are often here, Goblin.  :)Aug 22 20:14
DrumScumyes, i love that about konqueror a lotAug 22 20:14
schestowitzI stopped using gftp when I realised all this potential of kioAug 22 20:14
SnitIf I do not respond for a bit I am running back and forth... but will read.Aug 22 20:14
DrumScumwhen i was on kde3.x i was in konqueror like 90% of the time ;-)Aug 22 20:15
DrumScumit even has a man page kio slave :-)Aug 22 20:15
DrumScumreally wonderful programAug 22 20:15
schestowitzi used gftp a lot back in the days also when it failed to access /reliably/ some of the BSD servers I had a site onAug 22 20:15
schestowitzI think it opened too many sockets at once in suse 8Aug 22 20:15
DrumScumman page in one tab, browser in another, file manager in yet anotherAug 22 20:15
DrumScumyou know what's great in KDE4.7?Aug 22 20:16
DrumScumtabbed title bars!Aug 22 20:16
DrumScumripped directly from fluxboxAug 22 20:16
DrumScumi wonder when fluxbox will sue kde ;-)Aug 22 20:16
DrumScumshould be any day now :-pAug 22 20:16
SnitHey!  Firefox seems to not lock the system up like Chrome did.  Crossing my fingers.Aug 22 20:17
*DrumScum is now known as DrumScum_afkAug 22 20:19
DrumScum_afkoff to watch True Blood with the missusAug 22 20:19
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SnitAAAARG! So I finally get the Intel update program from the Intel website to check for versions and drivers... and it says there is an "unknown" Intel chipset.Aug 22 20:20
SnitIf they cannot figure out their own chipset who can?Aug 22 20:21
SnitThis is insane!Aug 22 20:21
SnitMaybe just too old for their program to "remember".Aug 22 20:21
_Goblinschestowitz: lolAug 22 20:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] in times of Android pandemics, @rms can be paraphrased as: “there's no kernel but Linux, and !GNU is one of its operating systems”Aug 22 20:25
schestowitz[20:16] <DrumScum> tabbed title bars!Aug 22 20:26
schestowitzLike joining windows and making a tabbed one?Aug 22 20:26
schestowitzProbably not... that has been in KDE4 for quite a while... windows grouping with kwin effects for rotating to move from one to anotherAug 22 20:26
SnitWindow grouping I think is a great idea.Aug 22 20:28
SnitA great way to pull tasks together... though, of course, then you cannot see them side by sideAug 22 20:29
SnitI wish there was a good way to group windows and pull them forward with one click.  I do not know of a good solution for that.  Virtual desktops is sorta like that, but not really.Aug 22 20:29
schestowitzKDE ActivitiesAug 22 20:32
schestowitzWell ahead of OS X and WindowsAug 22 20:32
schestowitz!google KDE ActivitiesAug 22 20:32
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SnitI just looked it up.  Looks interesting... but seems mostly a take on virtual desktops.  Aug 22 20:33
SnitThough I like how you can have a "dashboard" associated with a virtual desktop... Aug 22 20:34
Snitat least for some people I can see that coming in handyAug 22 20:34
SnitAnd there might be more to it than I am seeing... might play with it at some point.Aug 22 20:35
SnitOr maybe I will just judge it on screenshots and videos as I always do.  :)   [Just messing with you, Schestowitz... when you tell lies like that I get to tease you about them, right?)Aug 22 20:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Who, What, Why: How dangerous is firing a gun into the air? - I thought about this yrs ago but never looked into itAug 22 21:00
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SnitGoblin: don't you speak highly of Lubuntu?Aug 22 21:05
SnitI am downloading it now.  Sick of trying to get XP to work on the machine.Aug 22 21:05
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SnitOk, just tried to install Lubuntu.  It failed also.Aug 22 21:25
SnitI am going to go with hardware.  The machine is dead.Aug 22 21:25
SnitNot worth fixing.Aug 22 21:25
SnitDrats!Aug 22 21:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] US military promotion of anti-wikileaks Domscheit-Berg book. Photo from US-Airforce base book shop 22 21:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @bobobex: New blog post: 22 21:31
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DrumScum_afk21:26 < schestowitz> Like joining windows and making a tabbed one?Aug 22 21:49
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DrumScumyes, like thatAug 22 21:50
DrumScumvery niceAug 22 21:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] #sip_and_clickAug 22 21:50
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SnitAgreedAug 22 21:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] What @CiscoSystems should do today to defend human rights 22 21:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @quaid ♺ @tieguy: Inspired by @typogforlawyers, my post on making legal documents look good in HTML: < +1 C ...Aug 22 22:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks #Libya cables release 22 22:05
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schestowitzDrumScum: I find that rather pointlessAug 22 22:12
schestowitzI have lots of screen space :-)Aug 22 22:12
schestowitzand grouping windows of the same type is easy with built in suffAug 22 22:13
schestowitzkonsole does tabsAug 22 22:13
schestowitzkonqueror tooAug 22 22:13
schestowitzThunderbird canAug 22 22:13
schestowitzwhy group different applications as apps? To me it would lead to the perception that one 'vanished'.Aug 22 22:14
schestowitzkde does vista7-like snap to right/leftAug 22 22:14
schestowitzand you can use the scale lugin for workspace/all workspace with keystroke for filtering to get the application you want very fastAug 22 22:15
schestowitzctrl+f9/10Aug 22 22:15
schestowitzand ctrl+f12 for the plasma desktop canvasAug 22 22:15
schestowitzor screen edges if you set those upAug 22 22:15
schestowitzI have 12 workspaces for 3 screens, so 36 screens on which to spread applicationsAug 22 22:16
schestowitzbrb coffeeAug 22 22:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] how long does it take for #Flattr support to deal with tickets?Aug 22 22:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @trashbird1240 to be fair, we couldn't see under the storm trooper's masks & were later shown to be clonesAug 22 22:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Rixstep DDB Q&A 22 22:20
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schestowitzI'm starting to think that CT is just another coat of paint for x-ray, which got a bad reputation for deaths 22 22:22
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schestowitzPatient: "Is it x-ray like Marrie Currie's?"Aug 22 22:22
schestowitzDoctor: "no, it's CT, it's BRAND NEW"Aug 22 22:22
schestowitzPatient: "oh, OK..."Aug 22 22:22
schestowitz"X-ray computed tomography (CT) is a medical imaging method employing tomography created by computer processing.[1] Digital geometry processing is used to generate a three-dimensional image of the inside of an object from a large series of two-dimensional X-ray images taken around a single axis of rotation"Aug 22 22:22
schestowitz"The increased use of CT scans has been the greatest in two fields: screening of adults (screening CT of the lung in smokers, virtual colonoscopy, CT cardiac screening, and whole-body CT in asymptomatic patients) and CT imaging of children. Shortening of the scanning time to around 1 second, eliminating the strict need for the subject to remain still or be sedated, is one of the main reasons for the large increase in the pediatric Aug 22 22:24
schestowitzpopulation (especially for the diagnosis of appendicitis).[11] CT scans of children have been estimated to produce non-negligible increases in the probability of lifetime cancer mortality, leading to calls for the use of reduced current settings for CT scans of children."Aug 22 22:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Photo of me at #linuxcon by John #Babich 22 22:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @mohanpram: wraps downloads in bloatware, lies about motivations 22 22:25
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schestowitz"These calculations are based on similar radiation exposures experienced by those present during the atomic bomb explosions in Japan during the second world war and nuclear industry works.[11] Estimated lifetime cancer mortality risks attributable to the radiation exposure from a CT in a 1-year-old are 0.18% (abdominal) and 0.07% (head) — an order of magnitude higher than for adults — although those figures still represent a small Aug 22 22:26
schestowitzincrease in cancer mortality over the background rate. In the United States, of approximately 600,000 abdominal and head CT examinations annually performed in children under the age of 15 years, a rough estimate is that 500 of these individuals might ultimately die from cancer attributable to the CT radiation.[13] The additional risk is still low 0.35% compared to the background risk of dying from cancer of 23%.[13] However, if these Aug 22 22:26
schestowitzstatistics are extrapolated to the current number of CT scans, the additional rise in cancer mortality could be 1.5 to 2%. Furthermore, certain conditions can require children to be exposed to multiple CT scans.[11]"Aug 22 22:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Highly critical German-Russian view on Libya 22 22:27
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schestowitz"MRI is also best suited for cases when a patient is to undergo the exam several times successively in the short term, because, unlike CT, it does not expose the patient to the hazards of ionizing radiation."Aug 22 22:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Is the #Linux Desktop "On Par" With #Mac and #Windows? No Way! #interstingAug 22 22:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] my finger is numb from scrolling down through conversations mentioned in @bkuhn's identica logsAug 22 23:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @webmink @lxoliva Exactly. When we're driven to condemn people, it is us and not them who have usually failed.Aug 22 23:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] So Strauss-Kahn is a free man. Assange still under house arrest. Why? Sweden and UK - your turn.Aug 22 23:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] This week in WikiLeaks 22 23:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Publishers decide they'd rather pay songwriters than lawyers 22 23:55
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