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sebsebsebschestowitz: _Goblin  Maybe this week as of about a minute nowJul 25 00:02
sebsebseb2 minutes evenJul 25 00:02
sebsebsebor if not when I get back from holiday some timeJul 25 00:02
sebsebsebWhen are you likely to do other Techbytes? Both of you.Jul 25 00:02
_Gobliner....Jul 25 00:03
_Goblinprobably next one will be tues or wed next weekJul 25 00:03
_Goblinweek after I meanJul 25 00:03
sebsebseb_Goblin: you mean early August?Jul 25 00:03
_GoblinyepJul 25 00:03
sebsebsebah right well not thenJul 25 00:03
sebsebsebI am away thenJul 25 00:03
_Goblintodays one will probably be the last for julyJul 25 00:03
sebsebsebSo you just recorded one?Jul 25 00:04
sebsebsebanyway my birthday is the 31st July, and then I go away to Sweden on the 1st and  come back on the 10th, so yeah ok  some time after I been away then, and sure August I think.Jul 25 00:05
sebsebseband then maybe I can get that Mageia guy to come on in like September or October or something, but will need to chat to him again about that.Jul 25 00:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !CrunchBang — for once, the temptation to use it for longer that the simple “test drive” is overwhelming goo.gl/5up7oJul 25 00:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Quoth @reality to @rpcutts about Space Cowboy: "that is one pluralisation away from a film I have never watched without falling asleep"Jul 25 00:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I've never seen Space Cowboys so I could fairly commentJul 25 00:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ican haz becum obsessed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbQ0Cb6h3Ew #LedZeppelinJul 25 00:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #JimmyPage is lauded as a great lead guitarist, he's a hellava rhythm guitarist too, which is often overlookedJul 25 00:42
_Goblinright...I think Im off for the nightJul 25 01:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 24/7/2011: News Leftovers http://ur1.ca/4s6g6 #techrightsJul 25 02:02
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ChipsHelloJul 25 02:04
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Guest58604is Roy still up?Jul 25 02:05
Guest58604Might have an important story that may have been overlookedJul 25 02:05
Guest58604Mr Carl Icahn, Corporate Raider.  The same one that raided the Blockbuster company and got Silverlight on their online streaming service.  You know that created a sort of online monopoly for MS with the video disk rental companiesJul 25 02:07
Guest58604The Same Icahn also that raided Yahoo.  Same story here as Blockbuster, the CEO in both cases replaced and MS gains.Jul 25 02:09
Guest58604He is up to no good againJul 25 02:09
Guest58604http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903461104576462352065163360.htmlJul 25 02:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: HEARD ON THE STREET: Icahn's Motorola Play Not Patently Crazy - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 130.23 KBJul 25 02:09
Guest58604"Mr. Icahn, Motorola Mobility's top shareholder, with roughly an 11% stake, fought to break up Motorola in the first place. He hoped that splitting Mobility from Motorola's other business primarily selling emergency radios, now called Motorola Solutions, would unlock value for shareholders. Yet as of Wednesday, when Mobility's shares fetched $22.41, the equity value of the separate companies was roughly flat with that of theJul 25 02:10
Guest58604And yes, its partly about the patentsJul 25 02:10
Guest58604http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/21/motorola-idUSN1E76K18Y20110721Jul 25 02:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: UPDATE 4-Icahn urges Motorola to shop patent portfolio | Reuters .::. Size~: 75.4 KBJul 25 02:10
Guest58604It mainly about weaking Motorola or replacing its management as they are the only company that is fighting MS patent agression.Jul 25 02:11
Guest58604"Icahn, Motorola's biggest shareholder with an 11.36 percent stake, started talks with the company on Wednesday about exploring "alternatives regarding its patent portfolio to enhance shareholder value," according to regulatory filing."Jul 25 02:12
schestowitzHi thereJul 25 02:13
Guest58604http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-21/icahn-urges-motorola-mobility-to-weigh-patent-options-after-nortel-s-sale.htmlJul 25 02:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Carl Icahn Urges Motorola Mobility to Explore Options for Wireless Patents - Bloomberg .::. Size~: 90.13 KBJul 25 02:13
Guest58604Hi Roy, its Chips hereJul 25 02:13
Guest58604have not setup konversation yet on this newer computerJul 25 02:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] TechBytes Episode 56: GNU/Linux Versus Mac OS X http://ur1.ca/4s6hl !techbytesJul 25 02:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] TechBytes Episode 56: GNU/Linux Versus Mac OS X http://ur1.ca/4s6hl #techbytesJul 25 02:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bytesmedia/@bytesmedia] TechBytes Episode 56: GNU/Linux Versus Mac OS X http://ur1.ca/4s6hlJul 25 02:14
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schestowitzIchan not exiled yet?Jul 25 02:14
schestowitzicahnJul 25 02:14
schestowitzAlong with Nathan and BillJul 25 02:14
schestowitzDestructive people, ruining the USJul 25 02:14
Guest58604yes, same old MS Icahn playbook, if you cannot beat them, buy part of themJul 25 02:15
schestowitzdo you think he plays for Motorola to give in to Microsoft? Doesn't sound like itJul 25 02:15
schestowitzI recently saw this disgusting vulture hitting another companyJul 25 02:15
schestowitzIt's a troublemaker like Pal SingerJul 25 02:15
schestowitzPaulJul 25 02:15
schestowitzAnd they should be exiledJul 25 02:16
Guest58604To me, it looks like Icahn is just one of M$ hacket menJul 25 02:16
schestowitzThey don't contribute anything to society, they motetise harmJul 25 02:16
schestowitzwhat excepy Yahoo though?Jul 25 02:16
Guest58604Icahn's history of Blockbuster, Yahoo, and now Motorola's raids should be documented and turned over to the DOJ and EUJul 25 02:17
Guest58604as they clearly look to be inspired by the money behind MSJul 25 02:17
cubezzzdidn't blockbuster go under?Jul 25 02:17
cubezzzor are they still kicking?Jul 25 02:17
Guest58604they went into bankrupcy at least once, but still alive at least the stores, probably online rentals as wellJul 25 02:18
Guest58604Hollywood rentals did go under I believeJul 25 02:19
cubezzzprobably the era of video rental stores is overJul 25 02:19
Guest58604not quite, although Redbox is hurting themJul 25 02:19
Guest58604Roy, I did not do a good job of quotes from those sourcesJul 25 02:19
cubezzzfoolishly I tried netflixJul 25 02:19
Guest58604me too a long time agoJul 25 02:20
cubezzzof course it sucks :)Jul 25 02:20
Guest58604and a friend tried BlockbusterJul 25 02:20
Guest58604they were actually better back a few years agoJul 25 02:20
cubezzzwe had Jumbo Video years and years agoJul 25 02:20
cubezzzit was OKJul 25 02:20
schestowitzGuest58604: I don't quite see the patternJul 25 02:21
cubezzzthe internet has supplanted everythingJul 25 02:21
schestowitzIcahn the monster has been around for agesJul 25 02:21
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/silner/status/95212677428813824Jul 25 02:21
TechrightsBot-tr@silner: Have you seen Intellectual Ventures response to the NPR program @schestowitz ? http://j.mp/pLwok2 Predictable, just making sure you saw itJul 25 02:21
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Kai_Mast/status/95109845572784128Jul 25 02:21
TechrightsBot-tr@Kai_Mast: @schestowitz why shouldn't we share them?Jul 25 02:21
schestowitzSharing is always goodJul 25 02:21
Guest58604Icahn, must be 'Plan B' for MS if they are not winning the patent case against Motorola from using AndroidJul 25 02:22
Guest58604If you can't beat them in court, buy enough of them through an proxy to destroy themJul 25 02:22
schestowitzyeahJul 25 02:23
schestowitzTypical MicrosoftJul 25 02:23
schestowitzTomorrow morning I have 7 articles to postJul 25 02:23
schestowitzgoblin and I did a show yesterdayJul 25 02:23
Guest58604The pattern is to use a proxy, supposedly one not connected to MS, to go in and either break up the company, replace the management to moles, or to make a deal and get what you want.Jul 25 02:24
schestowitzI published it 15 mins agoJul 25 02:24
schestowitz http://ur1.ca/4s6hlJul 25 02:24
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Guest58604Icahn is that proxyJul 25 02:24
schestowitzpls give us feedback, it's 2am here, gotta runJul 25 02:24
schestowitz "Icahn, Motorola's biggest shareholder with an 11.36 percent stake, started talks with the company on Wednesday about exploring "alternatives regarding its patent portfolio to enhance shareholder value," according to regulatory filing."Jul 25 02:24
cubezzzbah, 2 am is just the start of programming time :)Jul 25 02:24
schestowitzThis could mean using MORE patentsJul 25 02:24
schestowitzdepends on my sleep cyckesJul 25 02:25
Guest58604So Roy, you already seen this story?Jul 25 02:25
schestowitzThere were times I woke up at 2am, by choiceJul 25 02:25
cubezzzwho started the whole software patent thing?Jul 25 02:25
schestowitzno, haven't seen the storyJul 25 02:25
schestowitzBut if it's beneficial to MS (important Android case), then it's something to think aboutJul 25 02:25
cubezzzschestowitz, I get to do something fun tonightJul 25 02:26
cubezzzretro-programmingJul 25 02:26
Guest58604Notice that Icahn has 11.36%.  In his other raids it was a lot less percentage..Jul 25 02:26
cubezzzthat's when you finish something you started over 20 years agoJul 25 02:26
Guest58604They must really not want Motorola to dispute the patents in court.Jul 25 02:27
Guest58604I believe that Motorola is the only company so far to not roll over and play dead.Jul 25 02:28
Guest58604Its all about the patents, both the ones of MS and Motorola.  Jul 25 02:28
Guest58604Do we really want Icahn forcing them to sell the patents?Jul 25 02:29
Guest58604Guess who will buy them?Jul 25 02:29
Guest58604While this is a patent story, its also much worse.  Its a story about greed of a raider, and the very real possiblity that he is doing this at the behest of MS.Jul 25 02:30
Guest58604At least in any case, it clearly benifits MS.Jul 25 02:31
Guest58604Same as the actions of Icahn benifited MS in the Yahoo and Blockbuster raids.Jul 25 02:32
schestowitzpossibleJul 25 02:33
Guest58604Microsoft remains the biggest problem to free software still.Jul 25 02:33
schestowitzof courseJul 25 02:33
schestowitzmore on that tomorrowJul 25 02:33
schestowitzIt's the Microsoft clanJul 25 02:33
schestowitzBill, Nathan, Allen..Jul 25 02:33
schestowitzThe stooges with zero ethicsJul 25 02:33
schestowitzHacking the system, buying reputation launderingJul 25 02:33
schestowitzThe US should exile more peopleJul 25 02:34
Guest58604Its a good story, be careful with your wording and don't accuse the Icahn outright.Jul 25 02:34
Guest58604schestowitz> Bill, Nathan, Allen    Yes, but you left out Ballmer in that list.Jul 25 02:35
Guest58604Nokia is in big trouble now.Jul 25 02:35
schestowitzit IS the troubkeJul 25 02:36
schestowitzMore on that tomorrowJul 25 02:36
schestowitzIt'll use patents for MicrosoftJul 25 02:36
schestowitzgnJul 25 02:36
Guest58604gnJul 25 02:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[piracy/@piracy] Free Culture Advocate Aaron Swartz May Pay High Price http://ur1.ca/4s6tn #tpn #anon #piracyJul 25 03:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] anyone wanna throw some #algebra questions at me? I need practiceJul 25 03:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @tekk tag them #TekkAlgebra I guess, that way I have a recordJul 25 03:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] CC licensed WikiLeaks animated logo http://t.co/empZe4gJul 25 04:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @faconti: RT @StopActaNow The Surprising History of #Copyright and The Promise of a Post-Copyright World - http://ur1.ca/34y4k #ACTAJul 25 04:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] downloading the latest #TopGear episodeJul 25 04:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Cambodia through the eyes of WikiLeaks http://t.co/toM1uO2Jul 25 04:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Enjoyed a thai dinner in Portland with @bkuhn, @michaeldexter and others, discussing a variety of #disturbing topics.Jul 25 06:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] "Bike racing only works on YouTube... You'll just see the crashes" !q - Jeremy Clarkson !TopGearJul 25 06:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] "Bike racing only works on YouTube... You'll just see the crashes" !q - Jeremy Clarkson !TopGearJul 25 06:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] hahaha, #Jeremy got corrected on S17E05; that is NOT a #Lancer, but a #Galant !TopGearJul 25 06:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] http://i.imgur.com/0xDjd.jpg First rain of the monsoon, what else would @caity_did and I do but go play in the rain?Jul 25 06:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @x11r5 @bruce89 Damnit, now i am going to make senseJul 25 06:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @mfat “We will stand by our democracy. The answer to violence is more democracy, more humanity.“Jul 25 07:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @patcito Utøya - First hand account from a Debian community member http://ur1.ca/4s7xnJul 25 07:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Freeje 1.0 #Android - Application for Low-Cost International Calls on #Skype, Mobiles and Landlines http://www.pr.com/press-release/340926Jul 25 07:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] It's Official: #Airbnb Joins The Billion Dollar Valuation Club - http://onforb.es/nhVG9n pretty amazing vote for #collaborativeconsumptionJul 25 07:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @brionv Finally, a utilitarian analysis of how to efficiently use superheroes to aid humanity! http://ur1.ca/4p0mi #smbcJul 25 07:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open Government Data in der Schweiz nimmt Fahrt auf - http://bit.ly/qGYWKO great to see #switzerland joining the #opendata clubJul 25 07:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The monumental Fed Rip-off - http://bit.ly/o9BsjO "list of institutions receiving most money from the $16 trillion Federal Reserve bailout"Jul 25 07:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @metalbyte Las novedades de Linux 3.0 http://ur1.ca/4s89j !linuxJul 25 07:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] I've hit bug 725193 in CentOS, network-related :( http://tinyurl.com/3komf32 #centos #centos6 #rtl8168Jul 25 07:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] WWF accused of failing to regulate sustainable timber scheme - http://bit.ly/ppA28Y yet another story about massive failures at #wwfJul 25 07:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Federoff declares war against EPA over #GM - http://bit.ly/oc6F8M outraged that EPA might dare to adopt "European ‘precautionary principle'"Jul 25 07:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @mwkn: #MeeGo & #Maemo Weekly News for Monday, 25 Jul 2011 out now: http://www.mwkn.net/ #n900Jul 25 07:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz The problem is Firefly was made for broadcast tv and is under US © all rights reserved from the start. Fans were trying to revive it.Jul 25 08:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Linux all-in-one phone and computer so near, so far http://tinyurl.com/3j85udb #mobile #motorola #atrix #tablets #linux #gnu #softwareJul 25 08:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A Taste of MERLOT with College Open Textbooks - http://bit.ly/nzmfjc "Search and browse for over 2,000 open textbooks cataloged by topics"Jul 25 08:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !InconstantMoon serialization Chapter 59 posted http://ur1.ca/4s8rg !SelfPubJul 25 08:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Virtualboxes.org Helps You Discover Your New Favorite Linux Flavour http://tinyurl.com/3wm56vm #gnu #linux #software #microsoft #windowsJul 25 08:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @ddhuy PETITION OF SUPPORT: We stand with Aaron Swartz and his lifetime of work on ethics in government and academics. http://ur1.ca ...Jul 25 08:19
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/95215535058464768Jul 25 08:21
TechrightsBot-tr@qu1j0t3: .@gbraad Whatever Google+ is "trying" to do with account deletion,  the point of the article is it's hurting genuine users. @schestowitzJul 25 08:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Connect to Wi-Fi from CLI in Linux http://tinyurl.com/45yurvn #gnu #linux #wifi #mobile #cli #software #microsoft #windowsJul 25 08:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] 19 ways to do your bit for open source http://tinyurl.com/42lwzby #gnu #linux #foss #romaniaJul 25 08:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] g'night !identiverseJul 25 08:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Indian traders learn Mandarin to strike business deals in #China - http://bit.ly/n9rC2z "language of money & opportunity." (v @chinesepod)Jul 25 08:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody A Taste of MERLOT with College Open Textbooks - http://bit.ly/nzmfjc "Search and browse for over 2,000 open textbooks cata ...Jul 25 08:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @rajitsingh @arnebab Generic names can be a big inconvenience. Like searching for an audio converter called Audio Converter (actual a ...Jul 25 08:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #GroupWise Abandonment Continues http://ur1.ca/4s8x3 #mail #emailJul 25 08:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] GroupWise Abandonment Continues http://ur1.ca/4s8x3 #novell #server #australia #lockin #google #FogComputinhJul 25 08:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Apologies to all following the serialization of !InconstantMoon which was down much of Sunday... http://ur1.ca/3c4fi ...all better now :)Jul 25 08:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody Copyright and Me - http://bit.ly/n1aKC4 great but sad personal tale of how #copyright hurts aspiring creators (v http://bi ...Jul 25 08:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] ♻ @boycottnovell GroupWise Abandonment Continues http://ur1.ca/4s8x3 #novell #server #australia #lockin #google #FogComputinhJul 25 08:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] i'm sure i will @mcnalu (really going now, almost forgot to post the apology)Jul 25 08:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] #Novell Remembered as One of Several Proprietary Software Companies Where Products Die http://ur1.ca/4s8zy #vmware #kvmJul 25 08:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @ddhuy Wednesday September 7th: talk about !Freedombox in #Hackerspace #Brussels. #HSBXL http://dr.jones.dk/fb/year/ http://ur1.ca/4s8s1Jul 25 08:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Novell Remembered as One of Several Proprietary Software Companies Where Products Die http://ur1.ca/4s8zy #virtualisationJul 25 08:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Habari ya asubuhi? @marjoleinkJul 25 08:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Fake Development ‘News’ Sites Promote #Microsoft Only http://ur1.ca/4s944 #mono #dotnet #foxnews #journalismJul 25 09:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Fake Development ‘News’ Sites Promote #Microsoft Only http://ur1.ca/4s944 #novell #lockin #development #government #prJul 25 09:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Windows is Losing Ground, Linux-Hostile/Intolerant Service Pack Kicks In http://ur1.ca/4s97c #gnu #linux #windows #windows7Jul 25 09:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Windows is Losing Ground, Linux-Hostile/Intolerant Service Pack Kicks In http://ur1.ca/4s97c #vista7 #mbr #grub #lilo #antitrustJul 25 09:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Lubuntu 11.10 Default Theme "Ozone2" Gets Revamped http://ur1.ca/4s97gJul 25 09:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @ludost "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock."- Thomas Jefferson !q #qtdJul 25 09:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !TechBytes Episode 56: GNU/Linux and Mac OS X Discussion by Michael Glasser, Roy Schestowitz, and ‘Goblin http://ur1.ca/4s992Jul 25 09:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] #TechBytes Episode 56: GNU/Linux and Mac OS X Discussion by Michael Glasser, Roy Schestowitz, and ‘Goblin http://ur1.ca/4s992Jul 25 09:24
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SnitI see the show is posted - will listen to it tomorrow.  Only nit is saying "Michael Glasser, who advocates Apple products"Jul 25 09:27
SnitI do more of advocating of might be called "informed computing"... but no doubt that includes a decent focus on the Mac.  So not a big deal...Jul 25 09:28
MinceRso would any crApple fan sayJul 25 09:29
MinceRno doubtJul 25 09:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Sponsorships of #OpenSUSE http://ur1.ca/4s9ce #suse #novell #google #gsoc #swpats #linspire #xandros #turbolinuxJul 25 09:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Sponsorships of OpenSUSE http://ur1.ca/4s9ceJul 25 09:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @sandersch @davidmn I hope you never show me your appreciation :-sJul 25 09:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @greve A must read for anyone who wants to know the truth about software patents: http://is.gd/z5PAPyJul 25 10:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Connection Between Patent Troll #Lodsys and Former #Microsoft CTO/Microsoft Proxy Highlighted http://ur1.ca/4s9le #swpatsJul 25 10:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Connection Between Patent Troll Lodsys and Former Microsoft CTO/Microsoft Proxy Highlighted http://ur1.ca/4s9le #usptoJul 25 10:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] R» @schestowitz: Connection Between Patent Troll #Lodsys and Former #Microsoft CTO/Microsoft Proxy Highlighted http://ur1.ca/4s9le #swpatsJul 25 10:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Murdoch shirking responsibility over phone hacking, says police chief http://is.gd/sU0cr8 - #BreakingNews pot calls kettle blackJul 25 10:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Balotelli hauled off in disgrace after showboating http://is.gd/gRVmyo he may be talented but it counts for nowt if ya can't be a proJul 25 10:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @glynmoody Copyright and Me - http://bit.ly/n1aKC4 great but sad personal tale of how #copyright hurts aspiring creators (v http://bi ...Jul 25 10:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Twentieth Century Fox brings movies to Google Android devices - http://is.gd/qyeyhB #google #microsoft #android #wp7Jul 25 10:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Sponsorships of OpenSUSE http://techrights.org/2011/07/25/limited-resources/Jul 25 10:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] ActionDispatch::Cookies::CookieOverflow ... WTF?Jul 25 10:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: !Lubuntu 11.10 Default Theme "Ozone2" Gets Revamped http://goo.gl/SBb4zJul 25 10:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Obama says he’s not willing to end the #drug war - http://bit.ly/olct99 trying hard to disappoint on every issue (v @TransformDrugs)Jul 25 10:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Google is Looking to Join the Patents #Cartel to Defend #Android http://ur1.ca/4s9ry #linux #apple #notel #microsoft #swpatsJul 25 10:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Google is Looking to Join the Patents Cartel to Defend Android http://ur1.ca/4s9ry #uspto #nokia #elop #mole #oha #antitrustJul 25 10:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Liebe #CDU. Weil in Norwegen die Vorratsdatenspeicherung nicht geholfen hat, müssen wir sie in Deutschland einführen? #facepalm #NeusprechJul 25 10:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Norway has implemented EU data retention directive. And it didn't help AFAICS. So why on earth are german politicians now pushing for it?Jul 25 10:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Norway’s challenge - http://bit.ly/qY7rPv utterly deranged: "the abject failure of multiculturalism" (v http://bit.ly/qz3tvI) #osloJul 25 10:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] so, when will !choqok support the new twitter direct message auth scheme?.. or is that already implemented in trunk?Jul 25 11:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Walkers: Salt & Vinegar... tastes like fries with sour mayonaise. @yongyuan doesn't like it. I think it is OK :-PJul 25 11:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Partner Used Software Patents to Sue Microsoft Imitators http://ur1.ca/4s9x0 #questsoftware #centrify #likewise #monoJul 25 11:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Microsoft Partner Used Software Patents to Sue Microsoft Imitators http://ur1.ca/4s9x0 #cifs #java #kinect #acacia #swpatsJul 25 11:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] No Comment http://slated.org/no_comment Andrew Orlowski deserves this, and The Register deserves better.Jul 25 11:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Very interesting !fellowship interview with @reiter http://ur1.ca/4rpgv founder !fsfe #ffii #freegis.org #fossgis + !fs company #intevationJul 25 11:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Mainstream Press is Turning Against Software Patents http://ur1.ca/4sa1c #swpats #nz #eu #india #uspto #mumbai #patenttrollJul 25 11:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Mainstream Press is Turning Against Software Patents http://ur1.ca/4sa1c #patent #protectionism #sanction #apple #linux #lawJul 25 11:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Mikogo: Cross-Platform Desktop Sharing And Web Conferencing Tool http://ur1.ca/4sa1qJul 25 11:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Jonathan Thomas: #Muon Suite 1.2 RC released http://goo.gl/IUZCo !kubuntuJul 25 11:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @greve A must read for anyone who wants to know the truth about software patents: http://is.gd/z5PAPyJul 25 11:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @reiter @fsfe interviewed me about funding !FreeSoftware development and the evolution of !FSFE: http://link.fsfe.org/BaulaN . Do you ...Jul 25 11:34
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Mikko___pay to view online video is slowly going over to silverlight here in swedenJul 25 11:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Vacation Until August http://ur1.ca/4sa5h starting tomorrow. Until then I will write as much as possible.Jul 25 11:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @wikileaks: American Conservative on the War Aganst WikiLeaks (video) http://t.co/p4sq6TRJul 25 11:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Depression & Decline: American Irresponsibility is Ending the American Era with a Bang - http://t.co/YUsdrGo good summary of what might comeJul 25 11:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] TechBytes Audiocast – Episode 56 – 24/07/11 – “The Grilling! ;)” http://tinyurl.com/3ue2abjJul 25 11:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @MagsNews News Int'l staff told to stop deleting emails http://is.gd/6pxWn7 < why do I think this is too late ? #Murdoch #pressreformJul 25 11:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @tacone_ ♻ @TheMarco Mayor of #Oslo speaks; can you imagine any US politician saying this, ever? http://tumblr.com/xhz3orp6g7 #p2Jul 25 11:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @boycottnovell Mainstream Press is Turning Against Software Patents http://ur1.ca/4sa1c #patent #protectionism #sanction #apple #linu ...Jul 25 11:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] So many exciting projects about....loving Aros/Icarus ....Google+ is offering me what Facebook never could....so much to write/talk about!Jul 25 11:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Zuckerberg tops media power list http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14274123 --> For how long I wonder? #facebook #google+Jul 25 11:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Eight weeks of #noemail (and the results are in) | http://red.ht/nUtI93 @smalljonesJul 25 12:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !LO ♺ @sixgun: Dan & Fab will host a listener hangout on Google+ at 13:00 UTC today. Keep your eyes on http://gplus.to/fabshJul 25 12:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @fabsh !LO ♺ @sixgun: Dan & Fab will host a listener hangout on Google+ at 13:00 UTC today. Keep your eyes on http://gplus.to/fabshJul 25 12:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] personally, i'd just like to see any required control panels displayed in $APP_OF_MY_CHOICE via a standard for that.Jul 25 12:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] the rest of the discussion is piddling over details and tbh highly uninterestingJul 25 12:12
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schestowitzquiet today..Jul 25 12:23
fredmanglislooks like it...Jul 25 12:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] iow, let the market decide. less struggle & wasted energy, more users for us, and a big carrot to adjust attitudes with.Jul 25 12:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] few things are as motivating as losing what matters to you. :)Jul 25 12:27
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schestowitzok, off for a swim..Jul 25 12:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #DistroWatch Weekly Issue 415 has been released. This week's feature story: Debian's GNU/kFreeBSD | http://goo.gl/GwQuSJul 25 12:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !UbuntuCloud Days is TODAY http://goo.gl/mqswd !uJul 25 13:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Absolutely political incorrect version of http://is.gd/NUU91P is here http://is.gd/Y8PWDb - made me LOL nevertheless.Jul 25 13:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] 3 graphical clients 4 managing Uncomplicated FireWall http://tiny.tw/8hJJul 25 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Letters cast doubt on #NoW claim that it 'co-operated fully' with police http://is.gd/Gvur4BJul 25 13:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @ffkp @jonaso, FFKP's executive director, has been appointed Creative Commons Regional Manager for Europe: http://ur1.ca/4saw0 #CCJul 25 13:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @smalljones John Cage, "I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones." v Michèle DrechslerJul 25 13:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] I already rooted my Bart Smit WonderMedia 8650 TomTec Android 7" tablet. Was a bit of a puzzle, since I have no access to a WinDOS machine.Jul 25 13:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] James Murdoch, like his father, is a fucking liar http://ur1.ca/4sb71Jul 25 13:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Norway has low crime, high gun ownership: proof Republicans are fucking retarded http://ur1.ca/4sb7zJul 25 13:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] The custom firmware comes with a BATCH file to configure, but that doesn't work under GNU/Linux. Tried all tricks in my DOS/Win(e) toolchainJul 25 14:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] So I had to check out the BATCH file and commit the instructions manually. First bricked it, but hey, it works now ;-)Jul 25 14:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Anyway, it's a lot faster now and I was finally able to install BusyBox Doh!Jul 25 14:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Time to Break up Big, Bad #Apple? - http://bit.ly/qN1yBt a huge success, but also a huge #patent bully. A Modest ProposalJul 25 14:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] notmart just popped up in irc sayng he was just at the epicenter of a magnitude 4.3 earthquake. zoinks.Jul 25 14:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Oracle deletes ex-Sun-CEO's blog (H): http://bit.ly/pA1oWuJul 25 14:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @openattitude Lubuntu officially joins the !Ubuntu family. | liliputing http://is.gd/uNf7UWJul 25 14:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Time Travel Impossible, Say Scientists (Discover):http://bit.ly/rsZZrxJul 25 14:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @eebrah Yup, in 2012 he'll run for office again...Jul 25 14:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @kevie This is so cool, Tux is the new mascot for Aldi's Frosted Flakes http://ur1.ca/4s9pnJul 25 14:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Canada - EU Trade Deal Pushing Toward New Canadian Copyright Enforcement Bill - http://bit.ly/rcPTgQ EU behaving badly #actaJul 25 14:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft previews 'Juneau' SQL Server tools (Register): http://bit.ly/qs085KJul 25 14:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Ik kan opeens geen berichten meer van twitter ontvangen en versturen met Gwibber. Ach misschien is het ook maar beter zo ;-)Jul 25 14:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Ik volg een aantal interessante Nederlandse FOSS people op Twitter. Misschien moeten die ook maar eens naar identi.ca komen :-pJul 25 15:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @kirschner: RT @greve A must read for anyone who wants to know the truth about software patents: http://is.gd/z5PAPyJul 25 15:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Lawyers in Hell – Book Review – Updated – July 25, 2011 http://bit.ly/omleJ6 #lawyersinhell #bookreviewJul 25 15:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ALERTĂ ! Windows XP a devenit extrem de periculos pentru utilizatori http://tinyurl.com/3fnanfw #microsoft #windows #romania #software #pcJul 25 15:25
schestowitzthe bot crashes?Jul 25 15:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @planetdebian Steve McIntyre: Unofficial backport CDs now hosted on cdimage.debian.org - http://blog.einval.com/2011/07/25#kmuto_cdJul 25 15:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @meegoexperts How to setup a MeeGo Harmattan development environment in Linux http://mge.bz/gV #Linux #MeeGo #Harmattan #Qt #ScratchBoxJul 25 15:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz Windows is Losing Ground, Linux-Hostile/Intolerant Service Pack Kicks In http://ur1.ca/4s97c #gnu #linux #windows #windows7Jul 25 15:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] kde community is back on track for a 10k+ commit month; we slumped in Q1 for various factors, but we're back.Jul 25 15:27
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/79644069Jul 25 15:27
TechrightsBot-tr@qu1j0t3's status on Monday, 25-Jul-11 12:32:55 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Remember this guy? https://twitter.com/#!/qu1j0t3/status/95383486365569024Jul 25 15:27
TechrightsBot-tr@qu1j0t3: .@a_picazo Here's another European who tried to warn about violent islamophobia/xenophobia http://t.co/wvs7x64 @TheNationJul 25 15:27
schestowitzInteresting. Well, the distinguisher which is cultural can be elusive.Jul 25 15:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] esp nice since some commits that were tracked pre-git are no longer, so there is a loss of measured activity as well.Jul 25 15:29
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/79648989Jul 25 15:29
TechrightsBot-tr@agentsmith's status on Monday, 25-Jul-11 13:53:36 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I fear 4 CentOS. M$, I guess, is trying to hijack it.Jul 25 15:29
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/79648989Jul 25 15:30
TechrightsBot-tr@agentsmith's status on Monday, 25-Jul-11 13:53:36 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I fear 4 CentOS. M$, I guess, is trying to hijack it.Jul 25 15:30
schestowitzLook what #openlogic (headed by Microsoft veteran) is doing with #centosJul 25 15:30
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/79649079Jul 25 15:31
TechrightsBot-tr@agentsmith's status on Monday, 25-Jul-11 13:54:59 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Oh, oh, trying to extinguish fire with gasoline...Jul 25 15:31
schestowitzre #Google is Looking to Join the Patents #Cartel to Defend #Android http://ur1.ca/4s9ry #linux #apple #notel #microsoft #swpatsJul 25 15:31
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schestowitzI see even Florian has something to say https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/95446582333419520Jul 25 15:32
TechrightsBot-tr@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz you obviously didn't mention that great patent-skeptical BBC article ("Are patents good for you?") since you don't trust themJul 25 15:32
schestowitzI did not even see the article. A lot of what I get is "software patents" in Google News and the swpats hashtag, Benjamin, etc.Jul 25 15:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Pessoal, estou tendo terríveis problemas com CD's descascados. Alguém teria alguma dica ???Jul 25 15:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Tell your representative: Stop the Extinction Rider! http://ur1.ca/4sbsk @CREDOMobileJul 25 15:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Folks, I'm having serious problems with fungus on CD's. Any hints on how to prevent it ???Jul 25 15:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Australian Ambassador: Tobacco Packaging Legislation Does Not Violate TRIPS - http://bit.ly/mR9S6H would be absurd otherwiseJul 25 15:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I thought Lucian Freud died a couple of years ago.Jul 25 15:34
ender_33http://qubitarkhive.com/2011/07/25/open-letter-to-canadian-prime-minister-step-hen-harper/Jul 25 15:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Drug prices to plummet in wave of expiring #patents - http://bit.ly/oY7BZA "reduce no. jeopardizing their health cos can't afford medicine."Jul 25 15:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Mainstream Press is Turning Against Software Patents http://tinyurl.com/3ll7yfl #ip #patents #eu #swpats #romania #software #microsoft #pcJul 25 15:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Google Maps: To get to Taiwan from China, you must swim (see step 48): http://bit.ly/oo2mZVJul 25 15:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Accessing UK council information - http://bit.ly/n6lXaq who's on the naughty step? (v @newsbrooke) #ogov #opendataJul 25 15:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @carlopiana ...but if you think #swpats promote innovation, you'd better read this article. It's sickening. http://is.gd/z5PAPyJul 25 15:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @mosborne01 @lightweight Ooooh... I feel a bit sick after reading that #swpats article.Jul 25 15:54
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/95501901482819585Jul 25 15:55
TechrightsBot-tr@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz OK, sorry, I thought you had purposely ignored it to continue to make BBC part of conspiracy theories. http://t.co/ZPgeFdYJul 25 15:55
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schestowitzWho said anything about conspiracy theories?Jul 25 15:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Intellectual property is the next software." ~Nathan Myhrvold, #Microsoft patent troll, funded and bred by Bill Gates http://ur1.ca/4sbyvJul 25 15:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] yay! synchrotron is going to find a home on a kde server at long last. javascript updates at runtime, api dox on demand!Jul 25 15:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] .. too late for the 4.7 release, but should be integrated for 4.8Jul 25 15:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] #TechBytes show notes are out http://ur1.ca/4sbzb “The Grilling! ;)” - GNU/Linux and Mac OS X http://ur1.ca/4sbzjJul 25 15:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bytesmedia/@bytesmedia] TechBytes show notes are out http://ur1.ca/4sbzb “The Grilling! ;)” - GNU/Linux and Mac OS X http://ur1.ca/4sbzjJul 25 15:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @meegoexperts Packed Media Widget – Homescreen widget – Maemo http://mge.bz/gX #Nokia #N900 #MaemoJul 25 16:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !miners ♺ @sixgun: Just released Bunch of Creepers 8 - The Presidential Suite > http://sixgun.org/creepers/8Jul 25 16:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Tell #Senate #Republicans: It's crazy to cut #Medicare and #SocialSecurity http://ur1.ca/4sbzoJul 25 16:04
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/95508375294578688Jul 25 16:09
TechrightsBot-tr@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz I thought you doubted BBC's neutrality many timesJul 25 16:09
schestowitzdoubt!=conspiracy theories. The BBC's neutrality is doubted by a lot of the British public.Jul 25 16:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] US Businesses providing Wi-Fi could get #piracy warnings - http://bit.ly/oScwpJ "could"? (v @Copycense @ballard_ip)Jul 25 16:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @glynmoody #Canada - EU Trade Deal Pushing Toward New Canadian Copyright Enforcement Bill - http://bit.ly/rcPTgQ EU behaving badly #actaJul 25 16:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !TechBytes show notes are out http://ur1.ca/4sbzb “The Grilling! ;)” - GNU/Linux and Mac OS X http://ur1.ca/4sbzjJul 25 16:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Trying #Kubuntu 11.04 http://ur1.ca/4sc40 I'll try giving unity a go, hopefully. #ubuntuJul 25 16:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Moved to #Fluxbox http://ur1.ca/4sc49 runs on my laptop with just 32 MB of RAMJul 25 16:19
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/95511808726667265Jul 25 16:20
TechrightsBot-tr@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz but does a lot of the British public believe they're under the control by one particular corporation? ;-)Jul 25 16:20
schestowitzCorporate media is not " particular corporation", it is a network of businesses. The BBC and Guardian both receive millions in contributions from Bill Gates.Jul 25 16:21
schestowitzHe is trying to use the "conspiracy"label to daemonise meJul 25 16:21
schestowitzBecause I call him a lobbyist\Jul 25 16:21
schestowitzWhich is what he is these daysJul 25 16:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ask Fedora – 24-7 http://ur1.ca/4sc59 "Enter the world of Ask Fedora. Of course this is just a test instance for feedback."Jul 25 16:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Oracle gives sneak peek at MySQL 5.6 features (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/nsvhEeJul 25 16:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] One Life peddles one big lie - http://bit.ly/rpTk7P and David Cox peddles easy and pointless cynicism...Jul 25 16:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] The metro in Sofia clearly beats all other forms of public transport. #win But why handicapped seating if there are no elevators? #failJul 25 16:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Sabayon 6 GNOME review http://ur1.ca/4sc5v "Chromium is the only Web browser installed"Jul 25 16:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] dear government officials, don't try to photoshop yourselves out of a mess, Teh Intertubes will be merciless ur1.ca/4sc6a ur1.ca/4sc6bJul 25 16:29
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ender_33ROFLJul 25 16:43
ender_33""Snit"s main assignment from Microsoft is to constantly post in COLA that Linux is difficult to use because the various apps don't conform to one single UI style."Jul 25 16:43
SnitEnder: how and where can I collect my pay from them?  Jul 25 16:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @greve obviously they employ iterative development. today: seating. tomorrow: ways to get to seats. ;)Jul 25 16:45
gnufreexLike most western media, BBC is propaganda whore: they promote those who pay most. Jul 25 16:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] An Australian Analysis of the February 2011 Leaked US #TPPA IP Chapter Text - copyright & enforcement - http://bit.ly/qpiihj excellent #actaJul 25 16:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @hgfernan !listening Hope by Kendra Springer http://bit.ly/i4o6hI #piano #instrumental #romantic #meditative #soothing !jamendoJul 25 17:00
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ender_33Snit - I've been asking msb for a whileJul 25 17:02
ender_33LOLJul 25 17:02
ender_33I believe in genetic engineering neanderthallers and I believe hes nutsJul 25 17:02
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/95514492779245568Jul 25 17:04
TechrightsBot-tr@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz if so, then their articles on the patent troll problem are a sign of independence from such (possible) contributionsJul 25 17:04
schestowitzFox too has a liberal contributor, so?Jul 25 17:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Change Isn’t Always Bad for L#inux http://ur1.ca/4scdt "Mac users who don’t like the Lion changes don’t have that same kind of latitude."Jul 25 17:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Pakistan government is implementing a programme to develop #opensource software - http://bit.ly/nepJ1R great newsJul 25 17:05
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schestowitzgnufreex: usually the leftJul 25 17:07
schestowitzPeople I know here say so tooJul 25 17:07
schestowitzI prefer left to rightJul 25 17:07
schestowitzBut that's the political aspect of the BBCJul 25 17:07
schestowitzWhich is even more controversial than techJul 25 17:08
schestowitzhi, jbeattyJul 25 17:08
gnufreexschestowitz: Did you watch BBC documentary about Muhammad? It is white washing. Sheiks must have paid. Jul 25 17:09
ender_33http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=16155Jul 25 17:11
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jbeattyschestowitz hiJul 25 17:13
jbeattyI'm conflicted about Pakistan switching to "open source"Jul 25 17:14
jbeattythey clearly don't care about freedom, so we have to be careful to not see them as "our cause" winning outJul 25 17:14
ender_33http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-07-genetic-non-africans-neanderthal.htmlJul 25 17:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @schestowitz ♺ @carlopiana ...but if you think #swpats promote innovation, you'd better read this article. It's sickening. http://is. ...Jul 25 17:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Ingres has a new CEO, Steve Shine: http://bit.ly/nRylzkJul 25 17:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Critical Vulnerabilities in Facebook and Picasa discovered by Microsoft http://tinyurl.com/3htkocg ---> Anyone see the irony here?Jul 25 17:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Maybe if Microsoft showed the same diligence dealing with its own products, we wouldn't have some of the problems we do today.Jul 25 17:25
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schestowitzgnufreex: I think I watched one about IslamJul 25 17:27
schestowitzVery positive about the cultureJul 25 17:27
schestowitzBut I think they are appeasersJul 25 17:27
schestowitzANd I don't see much harm in thisJul 25 17:27
schestowitzThose who incite hate are the ones I worry aboutJul 25 17:27
schestowitzNot the ChamberlainsJul 25 17:27
schestowitzjbeatty: I haven't written about that for yearsJul 25 17:28
schestowitzIIRC they considered OLPCJul 25 17:28
schestowitzNot heard of that sinceJul 25 17:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Theres an unofficial IRC channel for Google+ - You can find it on Freenode.net - ##googleplusJul 25 17:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] http://coffee.jezra.net/coffee/20110725 #sip_and_clickJul 25 17:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 6 wonders of #CentOS 6.0 http://ur1.ca/4sci8 #redhatJul 25 17:29
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gnufreexschestowitz: I see much harm in that. It is like being positive towards Nazi culture. It is same thing, just masked as religion. Telling people truth is not inciting hate. You can't apprease people whose mission is to invade you and kill you. I am with Geert Wilders on that. Jul 25 17:31
msbgnufreex: It's been Americans, Brits and Israelis who've been invading Islamic countries and killing people by the millions since 1990.Jul 25 17:34
schestowitzgnufreex: what were the motive of the l00n from Norway?Jul 25 17:35
schestowitzAFAIK, the issue in northern Europe is that they have low birth rates and massive immigration ratesJul 25 17:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Sea Shepherd Emergency SOS still in effect - More action needed! - http://on.fb.me/ndy6OR looks bad (v @BiellaColeman)Jul 25 17:35
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schestowitzSome of them blame some parties for being open to thisJul 25 17:36
schestowitzmsb: what about the other Western nations that are also oil beneficiaries?Jul 25 17:36
gnufreexschestowitz: Norwegian guy targeted Leftist youth because leftist appreases Islam and demonze critics as Nazis. Jul 25 17:36
gnufreexschestowitz: I don't support that.Jul 25 17:37
gnufreexBut it is again about IslamJul 25 17:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft and SUSE renew partnership (Microsoft): http://bit.ly/pu1CnxJul 25 17:37
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gnufreexmsb: That are fake greavences.Jul 25 17:37
msbschestowitz: Buying oil from countries that have it is fine.  It's invading and murdering that's the problem.  Or maybe I didn't understand your question.Jul 25 17:38
msbgnufreex: What are fake grievances?Jul 25 17:38
schestowitzsometims the "lunattic nation" needs to flex a muscleJul 25 17:38
gnufreexmsb: Iraq, Afganistan, and suchJul 25 17:39
schestowitzit's a tactic the mafia uses tooJul 25 17:39
schestowitzLike shooting someone to deathJul 25 17:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Linux all-in-one phone and computer so near, so far http://ur1.ca/4sckp David Williams is back, which is great news. He's *very* good.Jul 25 17:39
schestowitzIt reinforces its status as 'alpha nation'Jul 25 17:39
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schestowitzShock and Awe is you will... like fireworks show with real ammunitionJul 25 17:39
schestowitzMany cameras, lots of angles, to capture the event/ceremonyJul 25 17:39
schestowitz!google outkast bomb over baghdadJul 25 17:39
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msbgnufreex: Are you saying that the US, England, and Israel invading Moslem countries and murdering millions of people is not a bad thing?Jul 25 17:40
schestowitzThat's politics for themJul 25 17:40
schestowitzAttacking each otherJul 25 17:40
schestowitzEven if just to have an angleJul 25 17:40
schestowitz"Wartime" presidentJul 25 17:41
schestowitzAssurance of reelectionJul 25 17:41
schestowitz"Carry on defending us, mr. pres"Jul 25 17:41
schestowitz"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy." Henry KissingerJul 25 17:41
msbThose "wars" have made trillions of dollars in profits, too.Jul 25 17:41
gnufreexmsb: Muslims goal is to destroy all other religions, it is written in Quran and that is God given for them. They are allowed to lie, kill, enslave, and do anything to non-muslims as long as it help spread of Islam. To look like victim, they use fake greavences. Jul 25 17:41
schestowitzNobel peace prize winner LOLJul 25 17:42
msbgnufreex: So you're saying that being invaded and having millions of people murdered is a "fake grievance"?Jul 25 17:42
schestowitzgnufreex: Muslims I know are OK (there are many exceptions that are radivcal in a  billion)Jul 25 17:43
schestowitzWhat I find hard to reconcile is the religion partJul 25 17:43
schestowitzLike thinking of apocalypse, Hell, abusing women..Jul 25 17:43
schestowitzNot all people practice those views, thoughJul 25 17:43
schestowitzSome Arabs are secular(ish) ChristiansJul 25 17:44
msbAnd genital mutilation by Jews and Moslems.Jul 25 17:44
gnufreexmsb: I don't support USA in any way, but I am sure that Muslims would continue killing even if there was no Afganistan and Iraq war.Jul 25 17:44
schestowitzSo I think the solution is to draw them towards moderatiomnJul 25 17:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The growth case for open data - http://bit.ly/p6o9HD useful, detailed stuff (v @DirDigEng #ogov #opendataJul 25 17:44
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schestowitzTo the point where it's just a cultueral thing at best and now a way of lifeJul 25 17:44
schestowitzIn Norway I reckon the immigrants reproduce like rabbits while most familys have 0 o 1 kidsJul 25 17:44
schestowitzSo the l00n who slaughters those kids may have killed the only child in like 8 familiesJul 25 17:45
schestowitz*80Jul 25 17:45
msbUS Christians have been killing many times more people than Moslems in the last few decades.  They just don't use religion as a motive.Jul 25 17:45
jbeattythe solution is to eliminate violent and backwards religion with reason and educationJul 25 17:45
schestowitzNo inheritance for labour (Labour) parentsJul 25 17:45
schestowitzOr succession ratherJul 25 17:45
gnufreexmsb: You can't use Christianity as motive for murder, it is oxymoron.Jul 25 17:45
schestowitzjbeatty: yesJul 25 17:45
schestowitzThat's what I believe would work, helping people see for themselves that the story they are told is kind of infantileJul 25 17:46
schestowitzIt's not abrasive eiytherJul 25 17:46
schestowitzIt's cooperativeJul 25 17:46
msbSo the US, England and Israel do false-flag terrorism and use that as the false pretext for invasion and mass murder.Jul 25 17:47
schestowitzIn the UK it's already extremely unpopular to be anti-gayJul 25 17:47
schestowitz10 years ago it was a different storyJul 25 17:47
msbThe point is that those countries have murdered far more people than Moslems have.Jul 25 17:47
schestowitzWe got indoctrinated, but I guess fewer people suffer now, so it's all for the betterJul 25 17:47
schestowitzmsb: they have better firearmsJul 25 17:48
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gnufreex[18:43:54] <jbeatty> the solution is to eliminate violent and backwards religion with reason and educationJul 25 17:48
gnufreexYou can't do that. That is just excuse for muslim countries to ask money from west. The more educated muslim is more zelous. Bin Laden was rich and educated.Jul 25 17:48
schestowitzIf some rogue nations (yes, some are very rogue) had "the bomb", do you reckon they would not just dump em on someone?Jul 25 17:48
schestowitzThey have a different view on life and death (or life after death)Jul 25 17:49
schestowitzgnufreex: he means "edcucated" not in the academic senseJul 25 17:49
msbBin Laden was hired by the CIA in the 1980s to lead the Mujahideen to attack the secular govt of Afghanistan to harass the USSR.Jul 25 17:49
schestowitzI know a lady here who married my colleague after she was Muslim and drew awayJul 25 17:50
schestowitzNeedless to say, her family objected and she moved to NZJul 25 17:50
gnufreexschestowitz: Muslims will only ever leave islam for another religion. They will never go atheist. Jul 25 17:50
schestowitzYou don't hear about thoseJul 25 17:50
gnufreexSo education doesn't helpJul 25 17:50
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schestowitzAnd I can share some youtube videos about this observationJul 25 17:50
schestowitzPeople who leave this religion are afraid to announce itJul 25 17:50
gnufreex!google father Zakaria BoutrosJul 25 17:50
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Father Zakaria | http://www.fatherzakaria.net/Jul 25 17:50
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - الموقع الرسمى للقمص زكريا بطرس | http://www.islam-christianity.net/Jul 25 17:50
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - YouTube - Father Zakaria Boutros about reaching the Muslims with ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DzfRWGVZMnxQJul 25 17:50
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schestowitzBecause it's not just frowned upon, it's a death riskJul 25 17:50
schestowitzSo basically, don't assume it's a one-way street. We need to use reason.Jul 25 17:51
gnufreexmsb: True. Jul 25 17:51
schestowitzmsb mentioned things that US corporate press is trying to not mentionJul 25 17:52
schestowitzLie by omissionJul 25 17:52
msbThose militant moslems armed trained and financed by the US CIA are now what are called "Al-Qaeda".Jul 25 17:52
schestowitzgnufreex: vis-a vis..Jul 25 17:53
schestowitzI got a phecall an hour agoJul 25 17:53
schestowitzWhich made me upsetJul 25 17:53
msbThe US created that enemy because the USSR was no longer available as THE ENEMY.Jul 25 17:53
schestowitzI am being encouraged not to speak outside the technical field in a field trip we have WednesdayJul 25 17:53
schestowitzBecuase "my opinion might upset someone"Jul 25 17:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] RT @c0y0t3 Por qué el RSS es y seguirá siendo la mejor opción para leer noticias ur1.ca/4s8u8Jul 25 17:54
msbThe US, England, and Israel must always have THE ENEMY.Jul 25 17:54
schestowitzIt's a request for self-censorshipJul 25 17:54
gnufreex[18:49:17] <schestowitz> People who leave this religion are afraid to announce itJul 25 17:54
gnufreexTrue, because Quran teaches that apostates should be killed. AndJul 25 17:54
schestowitzActually, the original call was asking me to cancel this in order to avoid these conversationsJul 25 17:54
schestowitzThen it softened to "don't talk about [..]"Jul 25 17:54
msbschestowitz: Field trip of your imaging group?Jul 25 17:54
gnufreexschestowitz: Ok, no problemJul 25 17:55
schestowitz[17:54] <msb> The US, England, and Israel must always have THE ENEMY.Jul 25 17:55
schestowitzWhen they, don't the real enemy is seenJul 25 17:55
schestowitzAnd it's internalJul 25 17:55
schestowitzNot externalJul 25 17:55
schestowitzPeople like Murdoch, Trump, Icahn..Jul 25 17:55
msbThe banksters and other ultra-wealthy sociopaths.Jul 25 17:55
gnufreexmsb: No, that enemy exist for 1400 years. it is older than usa.Jul 25 17:56
schestowitzTHe politicians ensure these issues are taken off the table and replaces by "more urgent" issues like woman drwoing a kid in a bathtubJul 25 17:56
schestowitzWhile 40,000 per year die needlessly fdue to the heal;thcare cartelJul 25 17:56
schestowitzwhich enemy?Jul 25 17:56
schestowitzgnufreex: ^Jul 25 17:57
schestowitzbarbarism in generalJul 25 17:57
schestowitz?Jul 25 17:57
schestowitz!google "Return to barbarism"Jul 25 17:57
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - The Return to Barbarism - Research - Chalcedon | http://chalcedon.edu/research/articles/the-return-to-barbarism/Jul 25 17:57
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Return To Barbarism Acts 1616-34 - All Saints Homilies - Ancient ... | http://ancientfaith.com/podcasts/allsaints/return_to_barbarism_acts_1616-34Jul 25 17:57
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - definition of barbarism from Oxford Dictionaries Online | http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/barbarismJul 25 17:57
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - The Return to Barbarism<product> <article-title>Habits of the ... | http://www.jstor.org/stable/4227159Jul 25 17:57
msbThe banking cartel plus European royalty plus the Vatican have together controlled many nations for a long time.Jul 25 17:59
gnufreex[18:55:31] <schestowitz> which enemy?Jul 25 17:59
gnufreexno, I meant Islamic terrorism.Jul 25 17:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The 7 deadly sins of Solr (Lucid Imagination): http://bit.ly/p51hzRJul 25 18:00
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schestowitzmsb: Vativan too? Got links?Jul 25 18:01
schestowitzIIRC, there was a major financial scandal around them recently, but they don't have trillions in cap, do they?Jul 25 18:01
schestowitzgnufreex: I don't think soJul 25 18:02
schestowitzRemember that many things we enjoy today came from the Arab worldJul 25 18:02
schestowitzStar names, algebra (not calculus), some early technologyJul 25 18:02
gnufreexschestowitz: No it didn't. It came from nations that Arabs enslaved.Jul 25 18:02
schestowitzI don't think the religion is what ended itJul 25 18:02
gnufreexAlgrebra is assyrian inventionJul 25 18:02
schestowitzMaybe in the future what the US does today will be remembered by China/Asia as the barbarism of yesterdayJul 25 18:03
schestowitzChina has not assaulted militarily any large nations recentlyJul 25 18:03
schestowitzTibet is not a full-scale warJul 25 18:03
schestowitzAnd remember which one nation dropped nukesJul 25 18:03
msbI think the Vatican was more involved in the past than they are now.Jul 25 18:03
schestowitzMy cousin was there last monthJul 25 18:04
msbFunny how so many stars have Arabic names.Jul 25 18:04
schestowitzPretty aamazing photosJul 25 18:04
schestowitzThese people are loaded, fooling many people to give a part of their wageJul 25 18:04
schestowitzI guess God *Does* love money.. and needs it... to collect it via his servaNTSJul 25 18:04
schestowitzmsb: but I agree with gnufreex that the religious core of this one religious can justidy bad behaviourJul 25 18:05
gnufreexschestowitz: What you said (arab inventions) are things that pro-muslim lefist push. They lie in order to whitewash islam. All things that are considered Islamic inventions are in fact older than Islam itself, and were part of either of pre-Islamic (pagan) arabia, or were part of non-islamic nations that Arabs concuered. Jul 25 18:05
schestowitzChristianism is benign by comparison, hard to find justification in the new testament for manslaughterJul 25 18:06
gnufreexFor example, Persian inventions were from time of Zoroastrianism.Jul 25 18:06
gnufreexWhen Arabs conquered it, it went to stand stillJul 25 18:06
schestowitzMy understanding is that Islam is what ended Arabic leadershp the worldJul 25 18:06
schestowitzPost-Roman/Greco dominanceJul 25 18:06
msbBut US Christians and Jews have been murdering millions of people!!!  The leaders give the orders and the sheeple obey.Jul 25 18:07
schestowitzCapitalismJul 25 18:07
schestowitzIt helps raise kidsJul 25 18:07
msbCapitalism is a much more murderous religion than Islam.Jul 25 18:08
schestowitzAnd they have better weapons so risk of death is lowJul 25 18:08
gnufreexschestowitz: yes. Islam destroys culture, because it teaches there is nothing other than islam. For example, Talibans blown up Budda statues to erase Buddhist past of Afganistan. Jul 25 18:08
schestowitzMost deaths needn't involve shoving a dagger into teensJul 25 18:08
schestowitzIt's done remotely, like a computer gameJul 25 18:08
schestowitzb52s, tomahawk, RPG...Jul 25 18:08
schestowitzAnd there are many games like these on the marketJul 25 18:08
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schestowitzProviding training and fantasyJul 25 18:09
gnufreexschestowitz: Another example, Albanians are destroying 1000yo Serbian monastiries on kosovo in order to claim that it was always islamic.Jul 25 18:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Detroit wastes $19.1m settling police misconduct cases over a 3 years, or the salary of about 100 cops for 3 years http://ur1.ca/4scsyJul 25 18:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] dear !lazyweb, does anybody know how to get to the password-protected !n900 !maemo backup data? these are not zip files...Jul 25 18:10
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schestowitzbut don't mix race (DNA) and religionJul 25 18:13
schestowitzOne can change, the other cannotJul 25 18:13
schestowitzWhich is why for example criticising Microsoft is not like hate speechJul 25 18:13
schestowitzPeople can leave MicrosoftJul 25 18:13
schestowitzThey can also abandon a particular dogmaJul 25 18:13
Diablo-D3bullshitJul 25 18:14
Diablo-D3your race can changeJul 25 18:14
Diablo-D3ask micheal jacksonJul 25 18:14
Diablo-D3dohohohohohohoJul 25 18:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] and dear !lazyweb, is it possible to restore only contacts from my full-backup of !n900 !maemo?..Jul 25 18:15
schestowitzhe's dead now..Jul 25 18:16
schestowitztoo many chemicals didn't mix wellJul 25 18:17
msbThis is one of the best videos I've ever seen on who is ruling the world and how they're doing it, and have been for centuries.  Please watch it!  About one hour long.  Best to download it and watch it using mplayer so you can control the brightness etc, single step in places.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLj-2IJ4pdk Jul 25 18:17
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gnufreex[19:12:07] <schestowitz> One can change, the other cannotJul 25 18:17
gnufreexTrue. Criticizing religion is not racism. Religion can be changed. So it is stupid when someone says that criticizing islam is racist. Jul 25 18:17
MinceRi thought it was stupid because religion is not race. :>Jul 25 18:17
schestowitzmsb: ok, let's seeJul 25 18:17
ender_3312:41 < gnufreex> msb: Muslims goal is to destroy all other religions, it is written in Quran and that is God given for  them. They are allowed to lie, kill, enslave, and do anything to non-muslims as long as it help  spread of Islam. To look like victim, they use fake greavences. Jul 25 18:17
MinceRsounds just like scientologyJul 25 18:17
ender_33Many religions carry that 'outsiders are evil' stipulationJul 25 18:17
schestowitzgnufreex: it's not racistJul 25 18:17
schestowitzIt's a game against criticsJul 25 18:18
schestowitzReligion can be moicked as it's usually not correctJul 25 18:18
MinceRender_33: that's no excuse thoughJul 25 18:18
schestowitzYou cannot forbid pointing out flasehoodsJul 25 18:18
gnufreexender_33: Yes, but no religion makes it as sharp as Islam.Jul 25 18:18
schestowitzRacism is against something people cannot changeJul 25 18:18
schestowitzExamples:Jul 25 18:18
schestowitzDo not tell a black person something about raceJul 25 18:18
schestowitzHowever to tell something about lifestyle is not racistJul 25 18:19
schestowitzSome people afraid of the latter being interpreted as a race stereotypeJul 25 18:19
gnufreexender_33: Read this http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htmJul 25 18:19
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schestowitzAs if having a race necessitates the acts or vice versaJul 25 18:19
msb"Christians" murdered millions of pagans -- often of Goddess religion -- in the witch hunts / inquisitions.Jul 25 18:19
schestowitz[18:17] <ender_33> Many religions carry that 'outsiders are evil' stipulationJul 25 18:20
schestowitzAnd reproduce aplentyJul 25 18:20
schestowitzIf not by convertion then by reproductionJul 25 18:20
schestowitzBut Islam radicalises a bit with apostasyJul 25 18:20
msbJudaism, "Christianity", and Islam are very similar in their basic beliefs.Jul 25 18:20
schestowitzMonotheismJul 25 18:21
gnufreexmsb: no, they are notJul 25 18:21
schestowitzPeronally, I like multiple Gods moreJul 25 18:21
msbA male god who demands worship, and orders his followers to murder anyone who refuses to worship him.Jul 25 18:21
schestowitzThey're more funJul 25 18:21
schestowitzLike Gods arguingJul 25 18:21
schestowitzSome are femaleJul 25 18:21
schestowitzAnd looking kind of foxyJul 25 18:21
schestowitzBut the consensus now is thar there is only oneJul 25 18:21
gnufreexmsb: Christinity doesn't allow murder in any case.Jul 25 18:21
schestowitzMaybe in my lifetime the consensus will be 0 GodsJul 25 18:22
msbgnufreex: ever hear of the Inquisitions, or the Thirty Years War?Jul 25 18:22
schestowitzmsb: so far the video is reasonableJul 25 18:22
schestowitz3 minsJul 25 18:22
schestowitzI will point out bad pointsJul 25 18:22
gnufreexmsb: Yes I heard that, but that is not what chrisitanity teaches. Pope ordered that, so it is a sin of Catolicism only.Jul 25 18:23
schestowitzit's kind of abstract new ageJul 25 18:23
schestowitzNo clear messages so far... fluff and quotesJul 25 18:23
schestowitzLOLJul 25 18:23
schestowitzNow they show illuminati eye... *sigh*Jul 25 18:23
gnufreexmsb: Btw, many non-catholic churches view Pope as an Anti-Christ because he claims he is infallable.Jul 25 18:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Thanks to everyone for a wonderful #cls11 this weekend. Thankyou for all sharing your experience and insight. Bring on #cls12! :-)Jul 25 18:24
schestowitzThey have compeittionJul 25 18:24
schestowitzThe Pope is like the Microsoft of CatholismJul 25 18:24
gnufreexmsb: Protestants called Pope an AntiChrist, and Ortodox church too. Jul 25 18:24
gnufreexinfallability of the pope is not natively Christian conceptJul 25 18:24
ender_3312:55 < gnufreex> msb: No, that enemy exist for 1400 years. it is older than usa.Jul 25 18:24
ender_33Older than Islam tooJul 25 18:24
schestowitzThey branch out into other groups and factionsJul 25 18:24
ender_3312:58 < msb> The banking cartel plus European royalty plus the Vatican have together controlled many nations for a long  time.Jul 25 18:25
ender_33+1Jul 25 18:25
msbhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War  -- protestants and catholics fighting.Jul 25 18:25
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gnufreexmsb: I know about that, and I know about Sack of Constantinopole. I blame the pope for both.Jul 25 18:26
ender_33its not limited to us, uk and israelJul 25 18:26
ender_33those who control the vatican are olderJul 25 18:26
msbender_33: I meant us uk and israel recently, since 1990.Jul 25 18:27
ender_3313:02 < schestowitz> China has not assaulted militarily any large nations recentlyJul 25 18:27
msbender_33: CHeck out that video, I think you'll like it.Jul 25 18:28
ender_33yet they recently passed a lot making it easier to mobilizeJul 25 18:28
ender_33ie taking the property of business for warJul 25 18:28
ender_3313:04 < schestowitz> I guess God *Does* love money.. and needs it... to collect it via his servaNTSJul 25 18:28
schestowitzmsb: they need citationsJul 25 18:28
ender_33neanderthallers = deans of dollars (they are accumulators)Jul 25 18:29
schestowitzNo way to validate claimsJul 25 18:29
ender_33servANTSJul 25 18:29
schestowitzA lot of the rest of obviousJul 25 18:29
schestowitzThey make clear observation and then sneak in dubious stuff I cannot verify as it may not be trueJul 25 18:29
msbTHis video is very good too:  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4788106431016278751Jul 25 18:31
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msbAlso this one about the history of banking -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPWH5TlbloUJul 25 18:33
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schestowitzAh....Jul 25 18:33
schestowitzNow the video blames bankers for warsJul 25 18:33
schestowitzI know *that* fallacyJul 25 18:33
msbThey control major Western govts and have financed both sides of some wars.Jul 25 18:34
schestowitzNow he says "banksters"Jul 25 18:36
schestowitzSeems like the video just goes towards blaming bankers for warsJul 25 18:37
schestowitzSome of the wars were not unnecessaryJul 25 18:37
schestowitzNegotiations don't always workJul 25 18:37
schestowitzSee what happened in CambodiaJul 25 18:37
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schestowitzThen the connection attempts between West and NzaisJul 25 18:38
schestowitzfar fetched and weakly linkedJul 25 18:38
msbDidn't Cambodia happen because of the US Vietnam War?Jul 25 18:38
schestowitzDOn't think soJul 25 18:39
schestowitzYou need to explain how soJul 25 18:39
msbWhich was to prevent socialism and loss of profits to American business.Jul 25 18:39
msbIIRC, Prince Sihanouk was destabilized.Jul 25 18:39
schestowitzIt was the war on communismJul 25 18:40
schestowitzBut I think there was already a bloody warJul 25 18:40
schestowitztessier would know this better than we doJul 25 18:40
tessierI don't think Cambodia happened because of the US Vietnam war.Jul 25 18:40
tessierPol Pot would have been a butter either way. Trying to impose his own kind of soclialism.Jul 25 18:41
tessiersocialismJul 25 18:41
schestowitzmsb: the video you linked to tries to blame bankers for all warsJul 25 18:41
msbWiki:  "The Vietnam War extended into Cambodia, giving rise to the Khmer Rouge, which took Phnom Penh in 1975."Jul 25 18:41
tessierAlthough if the US had somehow scored an early win in Vietnam maybe it could have been prevented. As it was Vietnam went in and ended it themselves after the US war.Jul 25 18:41
schestowitzwhich wiki?Jul 25 18:42
tessierI don't see how that gave rise to the Khmer Rouge.Jul 25 18:42
msbhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CambodiaJul 25 18:42
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schestowitzmsb: the video tries to blame 7/7 on governmentJul 25 18:44
schestowitzJust because the bankers would manage to benefitJul 25 18:45
schestowitzBut this does not imply causalityJul 25 18:45
schestowitzIf my mother dies, I might get moneyJul 25 18:45
schestowitzThis would not imply that I killed my motherJul 25 18:45
schestowitzIf an asteroid hits the US, it would make China more dominantJul 25 18:45
msbWas that the one where a train was blown up, and the bomb could only have been planted in the guarded train yard?Jul 25 18:45
schestowitzThis would not mean that the asteroid was Made by China{tm}Jul 25 18:45
msbMaybe a bus?Jul 25 18:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] whoever took the group #cls11 photo on Sat, could mail it to me at jono AT ubuntu DOT com - thanks!Jul 25 18:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Howdy, how's your week coming?Jul 25 18:45
schestowitzarthquake in Haiti was exploited by ,manyJul 25 18:46
schestowitzThis does not imply HAARP has something to do with itJul 25 18:46
msb"[Sihanouk] was ousted by a military coup led by Prime Minister General Lon Nol and Prince Sisowath Sirik Matak, who had the support of the United States."Jul 25 18:46
schestowitzJust because the US exploited Bin Laden (like pointed out in the video you advoxcated) doesn't mean that he is still (was still, he's dead) under US controlJul 25 18:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] oh man do I love #SSH and X-forwarding. it even works across multiple login hops (machine A to B, B to C...) :DJul 25 18:47
msb"journalist William Shawcross and Cambodia specialists Milton Osborne, David P. Chandler and Ben Kiernan argued that the bombing drove peasants to join the Khmer Rouge."Jul 25 18:48
schestowitzmsb: I've close Konq qith the videoJul 25 18:48
schestowitzThe video make moany claimsJul 25 18:48
schestowitzI was open in general, but they don't provide backing sufficient to actually be credibleJul 25 18:48
schestowitzAnd if they insinuate that 7/7 was "an inside job", then they totally fail by just looking at "who benefits" as the explanationJul 25 18:49
msbPlease watch it and the other videos I mentioned.  They cover various aspects and give details.Jul 25 18:49
schestowitzTo the bombers, the 73 virgins in 'heaven' are a benefitJul 25 18:49
schestowitzSo they missed the pointJul 25 18:49
msbWhat bombers?Jul 25 18:49
schestowitzmsb: is the latter video better backed by arguments (never mind the evidence for now)?Jul 25 18:50
schestowitzOtherwise these just pollute my brain cellsJul 25 18:50
schestowitzmsb: 7/7.. LondonJul 25 18:50
ender_33schestowitz - thats what Brain Dumbing is for ;)Jul 25 18:50
schestowitzno, he's OKJul 25 18:50
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ender_33He's one of the more silent B'sJul 25 18:51
schestowitzHe makes more sense to me, he also provides decent evidebnceJul 25 18:51
ender_33he's like the welfare version of mythbusters but with weaker conclusionsJul 25 18:51
schestowitzI still don't know if he made up ** about IkeJul 25 18:51
schestowitzBut I gather he didn'tJul 25 18:51
schestowitzBut he only focused on one thingJul 25 18:51
schestowitzAnd also generalised Jul 25 18:51
schestowitzTo imply conpiracy theorists all thing that alien raptoids are in governmentJul 25 18:52
schestowitzSo it was a silly and weak one from him...Jul 25 18:52
schestowitzCheat shot of sortsJul 25 18:52
msbschestowitz: The video I listed by David Icke has nothing to do with reptiles.Jul 25 18:53
msbIt's very good.Jul 25 18:53
schestowitzhttp://redmonk.com/sogrady/2011/07/22/cote/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tecosystems+%28tecosystems%29Jul 25 18:53
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schestowitz"Those of you who’ve worked with Cote over the last half decade plus understand this; we have yet to find a client that doesn’t love his unique brand of insight, self-deprecating humor and homespun wisdom. He’s been, in short, a perfect hire. Not bad for our first time out of the gate. Which is why we’re sad to be losing him. "Jul 25 18:53
schestowitz"You heard that correctly: one week from today is Cote’s last day as a ‘Monk. "Jul 25 18:54
schestowitzThe money from Redmond wasn't enough for RedmonkJul 25 18:54
schestowitzI was always a bit sceptical about themJul 25 18:54
schestowitzmsb: no, I was mentioning skeptoidJul 25 18:54
msbRe 7/7 -- the bombs were placed under some of the vehicles which could only have been done in the guarded trainyard.Jul 25 18:54
schestowitzhttp://skeptoid.com/episodes/4264Jul 25 18:55
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schestowitzIt's an audiocastJul 25 18:55
schestowitzmsb: link?Jul 25 18:56
msbschestowitz: Did you read everything I just posted about Cambodia?  Pol Pot regime was caused by the US supporting opposition that overthrew Sihanouk, and then by US bombing.Jul 25 18:56
schestowitzNotice that again, just like with your claims about 9/11, nobody who would supposedly be involved in a 'plot' blew the whistle, so it's unlikely to be substantiatedJul 25 18:57
msbThe 911 stuff is absolutely proven by the physical evidence, which you simply refuse to accept.Jul 25 18:57
schestowitzcause it's not evidenceJul 25 18:57
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msbYou accept the govt story on much poorer evidence.Jul 25 18:58
schestowitzA couple of people's mere words about seeing some metal is not proof of anythingJul 25 18:58
schestowitzAnd even if they saw such a thing, it would not imply what you suggestJul 25 18:58
schestowitz[18:57] <msb> The 911 stuff is absolutely proven by the physical evidence, which you simply refuse to accept.Jul 25 18:58
msbThe analysis of the thermite inthe dust implies the same thing.Jul 25 18:58
schestowitzThe physical evidence we have are two massive planes crashing into 2 buildignsJul 25 18:58
MinceRpeople who were involved didn't blow the whistle? well, i never!Jul 25 18:58
schestowitzHave the therorists yet made up some theory about the Norway thign being 'arranged by the govt'?Jul 25 18:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Back in Portland after many years. Nice to see PDX is also now international airport. perhaps it was all along. #OSCON here I come. #fbJul 25 18:59
msbYou accept the govt story on much poorer evidence.Jul 25 18:59
schestowitz[18:58] <msb> You accept the govt story on much poorer evidence.Jul 25 18:59
schestowitzIt's not a governmnt storyJul 25 18:59
schestowitzIt's the story my relatives sawJul 25 18:59
schestowitzTwo massive planesJul 25 18:59
schestowitz2 buildingsJul 25 18:59
schestowitzBamJul 25 18:59
schestowitzBuildings fallJul 25 18:59
schestowitzThat's evidenceJul 25 18:59
schestowitzIt's not a "government story"Jul 25 18:59
gnufreexschestowitz: Breivik is Free Mason by his own admition.Jul 25 18:59
msbRoy, you are hopeless.Jul 25 19:00
schestowitzYes, but so what? There are many other cults.Jul 25 19:00
gnufreexschestowitz: And see my last dent, there is video why he killled Leftist youth on that island.Jul 25 19:00
schestowitzmsb: because I don't accept your plea to accept a poorly backed story?Jul 25 19:00
schestowitzIIRC, there are nearly 10 million freemasonsJul 25 19:01
msbschestowitz: It is very well backed.  You just reject the evidence because you don't want to accept the conclusion that the US govt can be that evil.Jul 25 19:01
schestowitzone of them did something horribleJul 25 19:01
schestowitzmsb: no, I didn't say thatJul 25 19:01
schestowitzYou change the implication pyramidJul 25 19:02
msbschestowitz: Of course you didn't _say_ it.  But it is what you are doing.Jul 25 19:02
schestowitzJust because I don't accept "govt. took the buildings down" does not imply "US can cannot be evil"Jul 25 19:02
schestowitzThat's just dishonest debating teachniqueJul 25 19:02
schestowitzEither you're against Iraq of you're "a terrorist"?Jul 25 19:02
schestowitzEither you like carrots  of you're "a terrorist"?Jul 25 19:03
schestowitz*orJul 25 19:03
msbThe reports of molten metal, the thermite analysis -- you say "they might be lying".  But you don't say the govt might be lying.Jul 25 19:03
schestowitzmsb: it's not what I'm doing,.Jul 25 19:03
schestowitzI didn't say these were liesJul 25 19:03
schestowitzMaybe they believe itJul 25 19:03
schestowitzBut it doesn't imply what you suggestJul 25 19:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Producing culture in weak intellectual property environment - http://bit.ly/pyVzwQ good sense about thriving amidst abundance (v @mbauwens)Jul 25 19:04
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schestowitzPeople who think they hovered about their body during surgery are not lyingJul 25 19:04
msbIt implies that you are being irrational.Jul 25 19:04
schestowitzThey are just short of oxygen, it's normal for this to happen in the brainJul 25 19:04
MinceR"That's crazy. The government doesn't lie to people."Jul 25 19:04
schestowitzHere is a good new ep about it BTW http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4261Jul 25 19:05
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ender_33schestowitz - made up?Jul 25 19:05
schestowitzSame patterns of plea for junk claimsJul 25 19:05
ender_33schestowitz - you ignore fundingJul 25 19:05
schestowitzSot his applies hereJul 25 19:05
msbDoes the sun rise in the East?  "No -- people just think it does.  You can't prove it.  Where's the evidence."Jul 25 19:05
schestowitzWHat's east?Jul 25 19:05
schestowitzIn absolute terms?Jul 25 19:06
schestowitzThe Earth rotates in a certain direction nowJul 25 19:06
msbWhy don't you apply the same objections to the govt story?Jul 25 19:06
schestowitzThat might change after some billions of years if more objects enter the Solar SystemJul 25 19:06
msbThe planes hitting did not cause the towers to collapse.  Jul 25 19:06
schestowitz9/11 is not a "government story"Jul 25 19:07
msbThe govt says it was the fire.Jul 25 19:07
schestowitzIt's an eventJul 25 19:07
schestowitzWhich is observableJul 25 19:07
schestowitzYou could theorise about whether the terrorists were assisted or let to do their thingJul 25 19:07
msbThe towers stayed up after the planes hit.Jul 25 19:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] $283M Lobbying Cost; $62B Benefit; ROI = 22,000% - http://bit.ly/pN5czz #lobbying by numbers (v @EllnMllr)Jul 25 19:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Watch the #OSCON live stream http://red.ht/r9Yz0lJul 25 19:07
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schestowitzBut we already have eye evidence from many cameras that planed hit the builindgJul 25 19:07
schestowitzThere is no eye evidence of explosions inside, except maybe fuel tanksJul 25 19:08
msbschestowitz: Are you baiting me because it's fun for you as you said once before?  Jul 25 19:08
schestowitz[19:07] <msb> The towers stayed up after the planes hit.Jul 25 19:08
msbschestowitz: Because if so I have a lot of real work to do.Jul 25 19:08
schestowitzBuilding 7 also stayed up for a while, but it was on fire.... majorfireJul 25 19:08
schestowitzThe side facing the WTCJul 25 19:08
schestowitzAnd it was a matter of time before it was out of control and it lost rigidity at the frameJul 25 19:09
msbExcept that steel-frame buildings do not fall from fire.Jul 25 19:09
msbschestowitz: Did you read everything I just posted about Cambodia?  Pol Pot regime was caused by the US supporting opposition that overthrew Sihanouk, and then by US bombing.Jul 25 19:10
msbschestowitz: You were the one who questioned that.  Did you read the evidence I posted?Jul 25 19:10
schestowitzYou and I talkd about whether the US caused itJul 25 19:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Unigine OilRush Game Receives More Enhancements http://ur1.ca/4sday High-gend Linux gamingJul 25 19:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @glynmoody $283M Lobbying Cost; $62B Benefit; ROI = 22,000% - http://bit.ly/pN5czz #lobbying by numbers (v @EllnMllr)Jul 25 19:10
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schestowitzIntentionallyJul 25 19:11
schestowitzIt could be an outcomeJul 25 19:11
schestowitzAnd I said tessier would know betterJul 25 19:11
schestowitzBut this alone does not imply the US' intent was to cause genocide in CambodiaJul 25 19:11
schestowitzOr a warJul 25 19:11
msbschestowitz: You didn't even read it, did you?Jul 25 19:11
schestowitzI read the portions you postedJul 25 19:11
schestowitzThere might be other reporters and historians who don't hold the same position, I haven't surveyed thatJul 25 19:12
schestowitz"For the first time since 2005, I will not be attending OSCON."Jul 25 19:12
schestowitzhttp://redmonk.com/sogrady/2011/07/24/oscon-2011/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tecosystems+%28tecosystems%29Jul 25 19:12
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schestowitzSeems like they are going kaputJul 25 19:12
schestowitzSad in a wayJul 25 19:12
schestowitzBut inevitable since they left their officeJul 25 19:13
msbSo the US bumps off the peaceful leader, knowing that crazed commies are poised to take over if they do.  But you think Pol Pot was an unpredictable accident.  Unintended.Jul 25 19:13
schestowitzNo, my original point was, not all wars are caused by bankersJul 25 19:13
schestowitzI raised an issue with the video you posted a link toJul 25 19:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Monday's security updates http://lwn.net/Articles/452802/rssJul 25 19:14
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schestowitzIt's more like incitations against bankers and an oversimplification that's grossJul 25 19:14
schestowitzit would be convenient to embrace for those who:Jul 25 19:14
schestowitzi. have a mortgageJul 25 19:14
schestowitzii. lost a child/spouse in a warJul 25 19:14
schestowitziii. look for scpegoat that's a 4 letter workJul 25 19:15
msbschestowitz: I know it also says the ruling bloodline.  I just watched it.  So it is you who are oversimplifying.Jul 25 19:15
schestowitz*wordJul 25 19:15
schestowitzNo, I am saying many wars and conflicts are complexJul 25 19:15
schestowitzSometimes over religion, tooJul 25 19:15
msbschestowitz: You are hopeless.  But you're great on Microsoft and swpats.  From each according to his ability...Jul 25 19:16
schestowitzIf bankers benefit, this does not mean they are the catalyst2Jul 25 19:16
schestowitzIf the US can enter Iraq after 9/11, it does not imply that it was behind the 9/11 attacksJul 25 19:16
cubezzzbankers are not your friend :)Jul 25 19:16
schestowitzThat's the logical fallacy I try to get you to at least recogniseJul 25 19:16
schestowitzBut you evade the issueJul 25 19:16
schestowitzcubezzz: neither are lawyers :-)Jul 25 19:17
msbThe physical evidence proves planted thermite.  Arabs couldn't have done that.Jul 25 19:17
schestowitzand PR people.. and...Jul 25 19:17
schestowitzyou failed to show me this evidenceJul 25 19:17
schestowitzWe've been through this beforeJul 25 19:17
cubezzzI'm really impressed with the efficency of amigados and intuitionJul 25 19:17
schestowitzAnd you sort of failed cause all you yielded was some link to firefighters mumblign about something that claim to have seen, which is not thermiteJul 25 19:18
msbYes, and every time you say "the guys who saw the molten metal just thought they did", and "the scientists who analyzed the dust may be lying".Jul 25 19:18
schestowitzmolten metal does not mean domolitionJul 25 19:19
msbIt isn't "mumbling" Roy.  Jul 25 19:19
msbYes it does, because kerosene can't melt steel.Jul 25 19:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Ist das jetzt Realsatire wenn das Erste gerade den Naturfilm "Wildes Skandinavien" zeigt?Jul 25 19:19
schestowitzEven /if/ that thing existed, it does not follow that the "government" did itJul 25 19:19
schestowitzYour story is hinged on weak evidenceJul 25 19:19
schestowitzOf the weakesxt formJul 25 19:19
msbSomebody got in there, past the security run by Bush's brother.Jul 25 19:19
schestowitzHad it been true, there sure would be evidneceJul 25 19:19
schestowitzLike some disgruntled person who blows the whistlJul 25 19:20
schestowitzmsb: what's her name?Jul 25 19:20
schestowitzOr his name?Jul 25 19:20
schestowitzAnd what is the evidence that "Somebody got in there, past the security run by Bush's brother."Jul 25 19:21
msbWhat's the evidence that you are thinking rationally?Jul 25 19:21
msbschestowitz: You'll just go on forever like this, just like Snit.Jul 25 19:22
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-sequitorJul 25 19:22
TechrightsBot-trError processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 ForbiddenJul 25 19:22
msbCan't spell.  Must be a scientologist.Jul 25 19:23
cubezzzwe should stick to the basics.... FOSS and alternative operating systems and all thatJul 25 19:23
cubezzzat least I feel I can contribute to thatJul 25 19:24
cubezzzwe had a kind of FOSS in the 80's that was overlookedJul 25 19:24
cubezzzamiga fish disks collected a lot of programs and distrubuted them to various BBSesJul 25 19:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @arkblitz: Paraphrasing a certain movie, "May the #FairUse be with you". #ccJul 25 19:27
schestowitzI remember BBSes....Jul 25 19:27
schestowitzThe days when disk space was valuedJul 25 19:27
schestowitzdownload 1.44MB files...Jul 25 19:27
schestowitzget coffeeJul 25 19:28
cubezzzschestowitz, a lot of the old amiga code was quite efficientJul 25 19:28
schestowitzKeep computer on all nightJul 25 19:28
schestowitz9mb/hour at bestJul 25 19:28
schestowitzDid anyone here play FIFA or warcraft over modem?Jul 25 19:28
cubezzzI played Empire over a modemJul 25 19:29
schestowitzEven FPSssJul 25 19:29
cubezzznot a big first person shooter fanJul 25 19:29
*MinceR is a big FPS fanJul 25 19:29
cubezzzHeretic 2 was OK thoughJul 25 19:30
cubezzzhad a bit more to itJul 25 19:30
MinceRHeretic 2 was a TPS, not an FPSJul 25 19:30
MinceRone of the best TPSes around, thoughJul 25 19:30
MinceR(with actual aiming and good controls)Jul 25 19:30
cubezzzwhat does the T stand for?Jul 25 19:30
MinceRthirdJul 25 19:30
cubezzzahJul 25 19:30
cubezzzyou played the Loki version I presume?Jul 25 19:31
MinceRnopeJul 25 19:31
MinceRthe winblows versionJul 25 19:31
cubezzz:-/Jul 25 19:31
cubezzzMajesty Gold is pretty funJul 25 19:32
schestowitzWhat about Heroes?Jul 25 19:32
MinceRwhen was H2 ported to gnu+linux?Jul 25 19:32
schestowitzAnyone played any in the series?Jul 25 19:32
cubezzzummJul 25 19:32
schestowitz[of Might and Magic]Jul 25 19:32
cubezzzI played King's Bounty :)Jul 25 19:32
schestowitzI played 1 and 2 over nwtworkJul 25 19:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Fed Audit http://ur1.ca/4rccn "the U.S. provided a whopping $16 trillion in secret loans to bail out American and foreign banks"~sandersJul 25 19:32
schestowitzLag is not an issue in those gamesJul 25 19:32
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cubezzzI think I played Might and Magic 3Jul 25 19:32
cubezzzwhatever the Loki version hadJul 25 19:33
cubezzza shame I never got any Loki source codeJul 25 19:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] The good news about Any Winehouse's death is that the Copyright mafia only gets a few more decades of pimping her out.Jul 25 19:34
schestowitzwith DRM?Jul 25 19:34
schestowitzactivation codes?Jul 25 19:34
cubezzzI don't think Loki used DRMJul 25 19:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] /me doesn't like this headline from @noyesk which is clearly link bait http://ur1.ca/4sdjcJul 25 19:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Apple has US $76 in cash, at the bank. It's worth US $350 billionJul 25 19:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Amy, I mean. Damn auto correct.Jul 25 19:35
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MinceRah, another headline which is a question with the obvious answer "no"Jul 25 19:36
cubezzzdare I ask what BFF is?Jul 25 19:36
MinceRbest friends foreverJul 25 19:36
schestowitzhttp://mrpogson.com/2011/07/24/christian-stretched-in-the-mind-of-a-madman/Jul 25 19:36
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schestowitzgnufreex: ^^Jul 25 19:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] London's museums warned of rhino horn theft risk - http://bbc.in/nTHuc2 some seriously sad people aroundJul 25 19:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Facebook: Tilera Boosts Memcached Efficiency (DataCenter Knowledge): http://bit.ly/mUFrn4Jul 25 19:37
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gnufreexschestowitz: Reading nowJul 25 19:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] EFF is looking for a new Legal Intake Coordinator! https://www.eff.org/about/opportunities/jobsJul 25 19:39
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schestowitzgnufreex: I thought you already read is blogJul 25 19:39
cubezzzfoolishness...Jul 25 19:39
schestowitzI started reading it after he supported usJul 25 19:39
schestowitzWhen we got DDOSed he offered to find server space for usJul 25 19:39
gnufreexschestowitz: Who, Pogson? I read him time to time, but didn't read this.Jul 25 19:40
schestowitzit's newJul 25 19:40
cubezzzlol, I actually have windows 1.01Jul 25 19:40
cubezzzjust realizedJul 25 19:40
schestowitzme has windowsJul 25 19:40
schestowitzthey're open at the momentJul 25 19:40
schestowitzIt's like 22 Celsius todayJul 25 19:40
schestowitzRelatively hot for this month (so far)Jul 25 19:40
schestowitzToday I printed out 6 journal papersJul 25 19:41
cubezzzI have a bunch of arachic stuffJul 25 19:41
schestowitzI'll have fun reading those out in the wild :-)Jul 25 19:41
cubezzzarchaic evenJul 25 19:41
schestowitzNo computer, no IRCJul 25 19:41
schestowitzNo flashign iconsJul 25 19:41
cubezzzI have AWARD modular BIOS tooJul 25 19:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh where do I send my hat picture?Jul 25 19:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] New Study: #Piracy Increases The Quality Of Content - http://bit.ly/qPb7mr makes sense if you think about itJul 25 19:44
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cubezzzMicrosoft Cobol version 3...Jul 25 19:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] In case you missed it: "When Patents Attack!," This American Life's insightful take on patent trolls. https://eff.org/r.86UJul 25 19:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @meegoexperts Speculation mounts for Nokia N9 Release date – August 19 ? http://mge.bz/h2 #Nokia #MeeGo #Harmattan #N9 #RussiaJul 25 19:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Since I started using Google+ I am less active on !identica. Anybody else experiencing the same? !googleplusJul 25 19:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] @toros I have no interest in silos/walled gardens, so... no.Jul 25 19:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @toros Kinda....Jul 25 19:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @glynmoody Producing culture in weak intellectual property environment - http://bit.ly/pyVzwQ good sense about thriving amidst abunda ...Jul 25 19:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @meegoexperts Put Your Music Shelf in Your Pocket – With MeeGo Harmattan or N900CE http://mge.bz/h1 #Nokia #N9 #N950 #MaemoJul 25 19:50
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ender_3314:19 < schestowitz> Had it been true, there sure would be evidneceJul 25 19:52
ender_3314:19 < schestowitz> Like some disgruntled person who blows the whistlJul 25 19:52
ender_33the whistle-blower falacyJul 25 19:52
_Goblinschestowitz: those show figures....how do they compare to previous episodes?Jul 25 19:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @toros: Since I started using Google+ I am less active on !identica. Anybody else experiencing the same? !googleplus -- ask @fabsh!Jul 25 19:52
ender_33you don't always get whistleblowersJul 25 19:52
ender_3314:27 < schestowitz> 9mb/hour at bestJul 25 19:53
ender_33what kind of ritzy connection did you haveJul 25 19:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why Google cares if you use your real name - http://bit.ly/nNUJYo "2 cross-relate your account with buying behavior with their partners"Jul 25 19:54
ender_33I've seen 7KBPS with compression on via dialupJul 25 19:54
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ender_33a far cry from 9MB an hrJul 25 19:54
ender_3314:34 <@cubezzz> I don't think Loki used DRMJul 25 19:55
ender_33Loki just used proprietary binaries that don't work on any modern linux system anymoreJul 25 19:56
ender_33due to none of the libraries they used being that obsoleteJul 25 19:56
ender_33A major problem for gaming on linux, is that devs don't want to have to maintain their games foreverJul 25 19:56
schestowitz_Goblin: better every month, I think we get more regularsJul 25 19:57
schestowitzAnd it has only been 9 months, not 4.5 yearsJul 25 19:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] !festival is amazingJul 25 19:57
ender_33schestowitz - did your rich parents get you ISDN or something?Jul 25 19:57
schestowitzshow feedback is hard because it's hard to point to specifics and people usually download and take away t car/walk/gym/etcJul 25 19:58
schestowitz[19:54] <ender_33> what kind of ritzy connection did you haveJul 25 19:58
schestowitz14kJul 25 19:58
schestowitzmaybe 28kJul 25 19:58
ender_33I don't think soJul 25 19:58
ender_33not 9mb an hourJul 25 19:58
ender_33you must be guessingJul 25 19:58
schestowitzI seem to recall this ule of thumbJul 25 19:58
schestowitzAbout 10 an hourJul 25 19:59
schestowitz100kb webpage in well less than a minuteJul 25 19:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #CalculateLinux 11.6.1 released http://ur1.ca/4sdn0 Calculate Linux Has a New Release With !KDE 4.6.5Jul 25 19:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @eff In case you missed it: "When Patents Attack!," This American Life's insightful take on patent trolls. https://eff.org/r.86UJul 25 19:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Calculate Linux 11.6.1 released - Planet Calculate .::. Size~: 20.87 KBJul 25 19:59
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schestowitzmaybe 3kb/sec?Jul 25 19:59
schestowitzIIRCJul 25 19:59
schestowitzwithout compressionJul 25 19:59
schestowitzthat would be about 200k/minuteJul 25 19:59
schestowitz2mb in 10 minutesJul 25 20:00
schestowitzlike s tiny youtube viz with just audioJul 25 20:00
schestowitzthere was viv format back then for videoJul 25 20:00
schestowitzvry good compressionJul 25 20:00
schestowitz.rm was also widely usedJul 25 20:00
schestowitz[19:57] <ender_33> schestowitz - did your rich parents get you ISDN or something?Jul 25 20:01
ender_33thats more like itJul 25 20:01
ender_33:)Jul 25 20:01
schestowitzI never had ISDN or rich parentsJul 25 20:01
schestowitzsome older modeme were 9600 (baud?)Jul 25 20:01
ender_33I'd see Netscape Communicator download in about 30 minutes to an hourJul 25 20:02
schestowitzthen stardard pcs came with the 218k onesJul 25 20:02
cubezzzold is 300 baudJul 25 20:02
schestowitzIIRC, that was also the capacity of phone linesJul 25 20:02
ender_33I had a phone line with issues tooJul 25 20:02
schestowitz*28k, not 218 (typo)Jul 25 20:02
ender_33couldn't hit 56k if I wanted toJul 25 20:02
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ender_33usually 48666kJul 25 20:02
schestowitzmy current line support up to 17mb/secJul 25 20:03
schestowitz*supportsJul 25 20:03
ender_33thats digitalJul 25 20:03
schestowitzOnly for fast UK-to-UK transfer I sometimes get this speedJul 25 20:03
ender_33of course it doesJul 25 20:03
schestowitzFor overseas it's like 50k/sec usuallyJul 25 20:03
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_couplerJul 25 20:03
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ender_33:)Jul 25 20:03
ender_33I remember BBS'sJul 25 20:03
ender_33I know *one* that is still runningJul 25 20:04
schestowitzmati runs oneJul 25 20:04
schestowitzHe's hanging out here sometimesJul 25 20:04
schestowitzAnd I think maybe _Goblin set one upJul 25 20:04
ender_33yeah but this one is still running the original board it did 20 years agoJul 25 20:04
cubezzz1200 baud limit on thoseJul 25 20:04
ender_33os/2 warp 4Jul 25 20:04
ender_334 nodesJul 25 20:05
ender_33oh wait, 3 nodes nowJul 25 20:05
_Goblinschestowitz: I had one in the amiga days, but it was Marti who set up a bbs recently.Jul 25 20:05
ender_331 phone line, 2 telnet nodesJul 25 20:05
ender_33free emailJul 25 20:05
cubezzzthe amiga days are now :)Jul 25 20:05
ender_33http://homeward.homestead.com/Jul 25 20:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] School Teacher Could Take #HADOPI to Court Over False Disconnection - http://bit.ly/p3QARY let's hope he gets the support he needsJul 25 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Telco’s Next Evolution by Norman Fekrat and Tim Zeller http://tinyurl.com/3zz3uju #telco #redhat #software #4GJul 25 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @meegoexperts Put Your Music Shelf in Your Pocket – With MeeGo Harmattan or N900CE http://mge.bz/h1 #Nokia #N9 #N950 #MaemoJul 25 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @bkuhn @fontana, That's my point! I'm betting !Canonical is banking on most people not *realizing* the #CLA in question is essentiall ...Jul 25 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Pakistan Says Yes to Open Source Software http://www.muktware.com/hacksheet/2003 #foss #microsoft #windows #linux #gnu #office #msofficeJul 25 20:05
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ThistleWebthey should rebrand it with a mexican theme and call it AmigoJul 25 20:06
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ender_33The Homeward Bound BBS http://homeward.homestead.com/Jul 25 20:06
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schestowitzThistleWeb: I just thought that too!Jul 25 20:06
cubezzzSpanish female friend == amigaJul 25 20:06
ender_33Has 50+ Door gamesJul 25 20:06
ender_33(LORD, Trade Wars, etc)Jul 25 20:06
ThistleWebcubezzz: yeah the a & o is used a lot in spanish for male / femaleJul 25 20:06
ender_33Lots of DOS and Win3.1 software, OS/2 softwareJul 25 20:07
ender_33lolJul 25 20:07
ThistleWebit's odd to think of an object being male or female, but plenty of langauges do itJul 25 20:07
schestowitzVista is Visto in female.Jul 25 20:07
schestowitzVisto means crap :-)Jul 25 20:07
cubezzzwindows visto :)Jul 25 20:07
ThistleWebspanish also adds the "i" or "you" onto the end of words too, which bakes my mind in trying to learnJul 25 20:08
cubezzzwell there's Natami, hopefully that will appear at some pointJul 25 20:08
ThistleWebnot only do you have to remember that a door is either male or female, but flip the pronoun backwardsJul 25 20:08
ThistleWebon the other hand, it's probs english that got it backwards, many do it the other wayJul 25 20:09
cubezzzI really need some dsdd diskettes :-/Jul 25 20:10
cubezzzI might have to try using hd onesJul 25 20:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Microsoft/Novell agreement renewed http://lwn.net/Articles/452847/rssJul 25 20:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #CentOS 6.0 (LiveCD) is out http://ur1.ca/4sdqn #redhat #rhel #gnu #linuxJul 25 20:10
schestowitzMo-Javah!!Jul 25 20:10
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schestowitzMo-haveeJul 25 20:11
schestowitzThistleWeb corrected _Goblin on the showJul 25 20:11
ender_33Jesus = He's usJul 25 20:12
ender_33http://www.eagleman.com/incognitoJul 25 20:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Police forces come together to create new regional #surveillance units - http://bit.ly/npq4gA how about a little oversight first?Jul 25 20:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Police forces come together to create new regional surveillance units | UK news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 214.97 KBJul 25 20:12
_GoblinI think in future I will boycott any application with a name I'm unsure how to pronounce.Jul 25 20:13
ender_33"Neuroscientist and polymath David Eagleman argues that the actions of the unconscious are so powerful and pervasive that they 'dethrone' the conscious mind... Eagleman argues his case in an appealing and persuasive way." - Wall Street JournalJul 25 20:13
ender_33I actually suspect he doesn't know hes dealing with remote controlJul 25 20:13
ThistleWebmojave is a mexican word, the j is silent in many mexican wordsJul 25 20:13
ThistleWebwell, pronounced as an hJul 25 20:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @lwnnet Microsoft/Novell agreement renewed http://lwn.net/Articles/452847/rssJul 25 20:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #ZorinOS 5 Lite is now available http://ur1.ca/4sdr7 "The Zorin OS Team are proud to release the Zorin OS 5 Lite" #gnu #linuxJul 25 20:14
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ender_33ThistleWeb - yes, hence why the name 'Jesus' really means 'He's us' and is in reference to us, not some dietyJul 25 20:14
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ender_33The death and resurrection of humanity via genetic engineering and non-anthropogenic climate changeJul 25 20:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz #CentOS 6.0 (LiveCD) is out http://ur1.ca/4sdqn #redhat #rhel #gnu #linuxJul 25 20:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz #ZorinOS 5 Lite is now available http://ur1.ca/4sdr7 "The Zorin OS Team are proud to release the Zorin OS 5 Lite" #gnu ...Jul 25 20:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @glynmoody School Teacher Could Take #HADOPI to Court Over False Disconnection - http://bit.ly/p3QARY let's hope he gets the support ...Jul 25 20:17
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ender_33msb_ Roy is using words that Brain Dumbing was using such as 'reptoid' and refering to IckeJul 25 20:21
ender_33http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4264Jul 25 20:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Conspiracy Theorists Aren't Crazy .::. Size~: 39.6 KBJul 25 20:21
schestowitzwith bait headline thereJul 25 20:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @glynmoody Why Google cares if you use your real name - http://bit.ly/nNUJYo "2 cross-relate your account with buying behavior with t ...Jul 25 20:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Scripting News: Why Google cares if you use your real name .::. Size~: 21.48 KBJul 25 20:26
ender_33bait what?Jul 25 20:26
ender_3315:25 -TRIdentica:#techrights- [rsandu/@rsandu] RT @glynmoody Why Google cares if you use your real name -  http://bit.ly/nNUJYo "2 cross-relate your account with buying behavior with t ...Jul 25 20:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Scripting News: Why Google cares if you use your real name .::. Size~: 21.48 KBJul 25 20:28
ender_33personality profiles for the gov'tJul 25 20:28
schestowitz"Conspiracy Theorists Aren't Crazy"Jul 25 20:29
ender_33you linked thatJul 25 20:30
schestowitzbait]he says the oppositeJul 25 20:30
cubezzzsometimes it's clear enough to be called conspiracy factJul 25 20:31
cubezzzat least where Microsoft is concernedJul 25 20:31
schestowitzcollusionJul 25 20:31
cubezzzBeOS and Toshiba got beatdown by the big MJul 25 20:31
schestowitzWhere we have leaked documentsJul 25 20:31
schestowitzActually, mostprice-fixing schemes are conpiraciesJul 25 20:32
schestowitzThe word take two meanining nowJul 25 20:32
schestowitzThe derogatory one is not literalJul 25 20:32
schestowitzjust means "unsubstantiated story"Jul 25 20:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Quemalo - http://bit.ly/pyppbJ rather fine little number from "La Real Academia del Sonido", Colombia, with v right-on lyrics (v @SinkDeep)Jul 25 20:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Google+ and the loss of online anonymity http://tinyurl.com/3ux2xxm #google #privacy #securityJul 25 20:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ‪Quemalo La Real Academia del Sonido‬‏       - YouTube .::. Size~: 143.47 KBJul 25 20:32
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schestowitzThe proprer meaning is congragation of some people or companies to harm others. It happens all the timeJul 25 20:32
schestowitzOne could argue that this channel is a "conpiracy" of people who want to spread Linux, or conspire to achieve it, transparentlyJul 25 20:33
cubezzznot reallyJul 25 20:33
cubezzzmy only conspiracy is to promote FOSSJul 25 20:33
schestowitzInionise?Jul 25 20:33
cubezzznot much of a conspiracy :)Jul 25 20:33
schestowitzUnioniseJul 25 20:34
schestowitzmaybe you conspire with anoher personJul 25 20:34
schestowitzSome kids conpire with their siblings to persuade a parent to do somethingJul 25 20:34
cubezzze.g i advocate Plan 9 and haiku and amiga foss, bsd, etc, etcJul 25 20:34
schestowitzthe pro-Plan 9 cabal!!Jul 25 20:34
schestowitzYeah, heard of those :-)Jul 25 20:35
cubezzzlolJul 25 20:35
schestowitz!google "Linux cabal"Jul 25 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - www.linuxcabal.org/indexOK.php - Un Lugar Donde Confiar | http://www.linuxcabal.org/Jul 25 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - www.linuxcabal.org/indexOK.php - Un Lugar Donde Confiar | http://www.linuxcabal.org/indexOK.php%3FLang%3Den%26DD%3D./Jul 25 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Consortium of All Bay Area Linux | http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/Jul 25 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Cabal: Linux Cabal | http://www.lycos.com/info/cabal--linux-cabal.htmlJul 25 20:35
cubezzzyeah evil plans 1 through 8 were unsucessfulJul 25 20:35
schestowitz!google "Linux mafia"Jul 25 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Linuxmafia | http://www.linuxmafia.com/Jul 25 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Linuxmafia.com Knowledgebase - | http://www.linuxmafia.com/kb/Jul 25 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Linuxmafia | http://linuxmafia.net/Jul 25 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Gaming In Linux : Mafia‏ - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D0jyEHMXpdF4Jul 25 20:35
schestowitz!google "Linux conpiracy"Jul 25 20:35
TechrightsBot-trNo Google resultsJul 25 20:35
schestowitz!google "Linux conspiracy"Jul 25 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Linux Today - A Microsoft Windows/Linux Conspiracy Theory | http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2007100101626OPMSJul 25 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - A Microsoft Windows / Linux Conspiracy Theory ~ Chris Pirillo | http://chris.pirillo.com/a-microsoft-windows-linux-conspiracy-theory/Jul 25 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Linux Conspiracy! lol, page 1 | http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread710707/pg1Jul 25 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - The Suits vs. Linux-- Conspiracy, Malice, or Clueless? - The IT ... | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/7261/1Jul 25 20:35
schestowitz[4] sounds like it's ByfieldJul 25 20:36
schestowitzLet's see...Jul 25 20:36
cubezzzyes, I conspire to take over the world with my amigaJul 25 20:36
schestowitzLOLJul 25 20:36
schestowitzI was righytJul 25 20:36
schestowitzByfieldJul 25 20:36
schestowitzHe uses the word "conpiracy" to dismiss his oppositionJul 25 20:37
schestowitzFlorian M does the sameJul 25 20:37
schestowitzMS Jack tooJul 25 20:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Linux thin client taps new Marvell ARM http://ur1.ca/4sdv6 "announced a Linux thin client based on Marvell's new 1GHz PXA510"Jul 25 20:39
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ender_33DaemonFC - opera is a stupid piece of shitJul 25 20:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] DebConf video streams available http://lwn.net/Articles/452850/rssJul 25 20:40
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ender_33it will not obey defaultsJul 25 20:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @wikileaks: Now online in Science: Counting the dead in Afghanistan http://t.co/ZZyeXSUJul 25 20:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @qu1j0t3 [..] 'embedded' job selling Libya war to Canadians, DiManno frantically peddles neocon image of Breivik as 'lone vigilante'.Jul 25 20:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @slashdot: Iran Forced To Replace Centrifuges To Stop Stuxnet http://bit.ly/nLnjH4 \Jul 25 20:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Iran could, in principle, replace Windows, not the hardware.Jul 25 20:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is marjoleink with 101 dents!Jul 25 20:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Iran Forced To Replace Centrifuges To Stop Stuxnet - Slashdot .::. Size~: 131.36 KBJul 25 20:44
ender_33DaemonFC - no add/remove programs entryJul 25 20:45
ender_33ignores the default browser settings and keeps coming up and askingJul 25 20:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Another reason to Boycott SUSE, not just to boycott Novell http://ur1.ca/4sdwa #suse #selloutJul 25 20:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @rcweir ...SUSE renews interop agreement with Microsoft, will work together to target RedHat http://prn.to/pn8tAB http://bit.ly/r5zs1DJul 25 20:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] .@rcweir and why again does IBM support SUSE in Lotus servers and mainframes? #swpats #novellJul 25 20:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @slashdot: Microsoft Extending Linux Patent Deal With SUSE http://bit.ly/p5fQoK #swpatsJul 25 20:50
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gnufreexSo we need to hate Attachmate even more. Jul 25 20:51
ender_33Roy has that one down patJul 25 20:52
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/95581352832925696Jul 25 20:53
TechrightsBot-tr@Metztli_IT: ♺ @schestowitz ♻ @slashdot #Iran Forced To Replace Centrifuges To Stop #Stuxnet worm…☝replace Windows, not the hardware http://bit.ly/nLnjH4Jul 25 20:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @zoobab: The FFII is more or less dead today but it has spawned many successors and imitators http://t.co/lZVij96Jul 25 20:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A User's Guide to the Digital Revolution - Software and Silicon .::. Size~: 34.86 KBJul 25 20:54
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/davidgerard/status/95581382599909376?iid=am-209358414613116233522320530&nid=4&uid=26603208Jul 25 20:55
TechrightsBot-tr@davidgerard: @schestowitz Iran is not short of extremely smart people. It's entirely unclear what's stopping them.  What have I failed to understand?Jul 25 20:55
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/rcweir/status/95582608225873920?iid=am-82952056813116236444956096&nid=4&uid=26603208Jul 25 20:55
TechrightsBot-tr@rcweir: @schestowitz  Our use of Java allows us to support almost any server platform our customers ask for.Jul 25 20:55
schestowitzIBM usually uses the Microsoft-taxed SLES for Lotus AFAIKJul 25 20:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #SUSE is not run by SUSE/Novell people. The management is from Attachmate, a Microsoft Gold Partner.Jul 25 20:59
ender_33Opera is fucking retardedJul 25 21:00
ender_33UUUUGGGH!!Jul 25 21:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] interesting discussion on the latest !TechBytes with Michael about OSXJul 25 21:02
schestowitzdoes it force ALL CAPS?Jul 25 21:06
MinceRCAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOLJul 25 21:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Don't let Congress order Internet companies to spy on you—act now to block the data retention bill: https://eff.org/r.87W via @effJul 25 21:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @debian DebConf 11 started - http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110725Jul 25 21:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Debian -- News -- DebConf 11 started .::. Size~: 8.74 KBJul 25 21:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Morala furtunii mediatice din Marea Britanie http://tinyurl.com/3l63cpj #media #murdochJul 25 21:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Morala furtunii mediatice din Marea Britanie | Romania Libera .::. Size~: 73.54 KBJul 25 21:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: Don't let Congress order Internet companies to spy on you—act now to block the data retention bill: https://eff.org/r.87W via @effJul 25 21:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: In case you missed it: "When Patents Attack!," This American Life's insightful take on patent trolls. https://eff.org/r.86UJul 25 21:19
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*username is now known as ChipsJul 25 21:20
schestowitzhi ChipsJul 25 21:20
schestowitzwhatcha got?Jul 25 21:20
*Chips is now known as Guest19735Jul 25 21:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz Another reason to Boycott SUSE, not just to boycott Novell http://ur1.ca/4sdwa #suse #selloutJul 25 21:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft and SUSE Renew Successful Interoperability Agreement -- REDMOND, Wash. and NUREMBERG, Germany, July 25, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- .::. Size~: 100.31 KBJul 25 21:21
Guest19735seems Icahn had tried to put people on Motorola's board back in 2007 and 2008 alsoJul 25 21:21
schestowitzaha..Jul 25 21:21
schestowitzbut..Jul 25 21:21
schestowitzwhat does he say about patents and android cases?Jul 25 21:21
ender_3316:06 < schestowitz> does it force ALL CAPS?Jul 25 21:21
ender_33yesJul 25 21:21
ender_33it also eats babiesJul 25 21:21
schestowitz:-DJul 25 21:21
Guest19735newer computer will not let me use my old idJul 25 21:21
schestowitzender_33: yummy?Jul 25 21:21
ender_33Isn't opera in oslo?Jul 25 21:21
schestowitzyesJul 25 21:21
schestowitzOpera shoots the usersJul 25 21:22
ender_33the terrorists weren't impressed with opera's fail uninstallerJul 25 21:22
schestowitzAnd then gives them another one in the head "to make sure"Jul 25 21:22
Guest19735http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/144211/motorola_icahn_reach_agreement_on_board.htmlJul 25 21:22
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Guest19735thats from 2008Jul 25 21:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 25/7/2011: Calculate Linux 11.6.1, CentOS 6.0 LiveCD http://ur1.ca/4se2u !techrightsJul 25 21:22
schestowitzthank you, mr. icahn, for running the industryJul 25 21:22
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Guest19735more like ruining the industryJul 25 21:23
ender_33the so-called 'right wing' nut was really just peeved that opera took over his computer without admin rightsJul 25 21:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/95583837790285824Jul 25 21:23
TechrightsBot-tr@Metztli_IT: ♺ @schestowitz: .@rcweir and why…does #IBM support [Microsoft-loving] #SUSE['s #GNU/ #Linux] in #Lotus servers & #mainframes #swpats #novellJul 25 21:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/rcweir/status/95583916538343425Jul 25 21:23
TechrightsBot-tr@rcweir: @schestowitz We generally support both SLES and RHEL,  see for example:  http://bit.ly/qrVfpJJul 25 21:23
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ender_33IE gives up so easily when it comes to being default browserJul 25 21:24
ender_33Opera on the other hand, refuses to let you setup another browserJul 25 21:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 25/7/2011: Calculate Linux 11.6.1, CentOS 6.0 LiveCD http://ur1.ca/4se2u #techrightsJul 25 21:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @glynmoody The open internet and its enemies - http://bbc.in/nRsDHp @billt weighs in on crucial topic (v @technollama) #opennessJul 25 21:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Links 25/7/2011: Calculate Linux 11.6.1, CentOS 6.0 LiveCD | Techrights .::. Size~: 102.27 KBJul 25 21:24
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Guest19735from the 2008 link:  "cahn owns about 6.4 percent of Motorola. He has been pressuring the wireless network and handset maker for several months, at first waging an unsuccessful battle for shareholders' proxy votes to get elected to the board himself. He also has argued that Motorola would be worth more broken up than as a whole. Icahn attacked while Motorola was suffering weak financial results after profits from its popular Razr handset faded andJul 25 21:24
Guest19735it failed to come up with another hit phone."Jul 25 21:24
ender_33In an ALL CAPS voice Opera shouted "I MUST CONTROL HTTP ON YOUR BOX! UBUNTU SHOULD HAVE BROWSER CHOICE DIALOG BOXES TOO!"Jul 25 21:25
Guest19735so he has been a busy boy and increased his holdings in Motorola since to 11.36%Jul 25 21:25
schestowitzhttp://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/news/1314539/Novell-SUSE-Linux-price-cut-may-target-Red-Hats-mainframe-aspirations "We already have 85% of the mainframe market," Novell on mainframeJul 25 21:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Novell SUSE Linux price cut may target Red Hat's mainframe aspirations .::. Size~: 53.84 KBJul 25 21:25
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/95586008170627072Jul 25 21:25
TechrightsBot-tr@Metztli_IT: ♺ @schestowitz #SUSE isn't run by SUSE/Novell people. The management's from #Attachmate, a Microsoft Gold Partner.☝a la #Citrix's #XenServerJul 25 21:25
schestowitzyesJul 25 21:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] EFF analysis of @Wikileaks cables show how surveillance tech is misused in Latin America https://eff.org/r.99c #privacy #netfreedomJul 25 21:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Politics of Surveillance: The Erosion of Privacy in Latin America | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 35.36 KBJul 25 21:26
MinceRubuntu does have browser choice dialog boxes, it's called synaptic :>Jul 25 21:26
schestowitz"Don't worry..... Mr. Ballmer will take care of *that*"Jul 25 21:26
ender_33Really?Jul 25 21:26
schestowitzxenJul 25 21:26
schestowitzCrosby leftJul 25 21:26
ender_33Don't you mean 'THe *buntu software *store*'Jul 25 21:27
MinceRthat tooJul 25 21:27
MinceRthough i don't care for thatJul 25 21:27
schestowitzNow the micromob van par-tey!Jul 25 21:27
Guest19735http://www.intomobile.com/2010/08/06/carl-icahn-takes-biggest-stake-in-motorola/Jul 25 21:27
MinceRanyway, you can even choose your own package manager frontend :>Jul 25 21:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Carl Ichan, Motorola become a lot closer .::. Size~: 72.84 KBJul 25 21:27
schestowitzbrb, making some postsJul 25 21:28
Guest19735this is last year Aug 5, 2010Jul 25 21:28
MinceRany relation to iichan?Jul 25 21:28
schestowitzseems like BN is needed againJul 25 21:28
schestowitzichan on 4chanJul 25 21:28
schestowitzwith a tail and hornsJul 25 21:28
Guest19735"Icahn has already been influential in how Motorola was run, as his proxy fight gave his reps two seats on the board of directors. Icahn is also well-known for pushing the company to spin off its struggling cell phone division into its own public company."Jul 25 21:29
schestowitzGuest19735: a match made in Hell,but only Carl enjoys itJul 25 21:29
Guest19735So Icahn already had 2 reps on the Board last yearJul 25 21:29
schestowitzyet motorola sued back against MSJul 25 21:29
Guest19735http://www.gurufocus.com/news/106616/carl-icahns-favorite-stock--motorolaJul 25 21:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Carl Icahn's Favorite Stock -- Motorola .::. Size~: 82.44 KBJul 25 21:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Extensions to the CSS Object Model http://ow.ly/1dXyE1Jul 25 21:30
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Guest19735another 10 month old article but very good one with some insite as to his plansJul 25 21:31
Guest19735"(Motorola's wireless network assets are set to be sold to a joint venture run by Nokia (NOK) and Siemens (SI) later this year). "Jul 25 21:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Police forces come together to create new regional surveillance units http://is.gd/JwIfYl #WTF #UKJul 25 21:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Police forces come together to create new regional surveillance units | UK news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 234.5 KBJul 25 21:32
Guest19735He maybe right about the stock price going up thoughJul 25 21:33
Guest19735notice the selling of wireless assets to Nokia softJul 25 21:34
Guest19735could those be patents?Jul 25 21:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] is #Gestapo a German word? does it have an English translation? or do we just call it the Gestapo2.0?Jul 25 21:34
Guest19735so this stock buy of Motorola may actually make Icahn money unlike the Yahoo ventureJul 25 21:38
ender_33msb_ http://articles.latimes.com/1998/apr/10/news/mn-38008Jul 25 21:38
TechrightsBot-trEmpty reply from server ( http://articles.latimes.com/1998/apr/10/news/mn-38008 )Jul 25 21:38
ender_33Leslie Helm says that program was shut down after the article came outJul 25 21:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] O'Reilly: Sexual Harassment at Technical Conferences: A Big No-No http://lwn.net/Articles/452859/rssJul 25 21:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: O'Reilly: Sexual Harassment at Technical Conferences: A Big No-No [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 8.17 KBJul 25 21:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Online backups starting @5/- per month.Jul 25 21:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ES: El Cartel de Patentes de los EE.UU. Reconocido, Impugnado ante los tribunales, las #swpats http://ur1.ca/4se6t EN: http://ur1.ca/4se6tJul 25 21:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/davidgerard/status/95592739298746368Jul 25 21:42
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: ES: El Cartel de Patentes de los EE.UU. Reconocido, Impugnado ante los tribunales, las Patentes de Software Mueren Gradualmente | Techrights .::. Size~: 101.16 KBJul 25 21:42
TechrightsBot-tr@davidgerard: @rcweir @schestowitz large chunks of notes claim to work on linux (from the debs) but just don't. I deal with this every day.Jul 25 21:42
schestowitz[21:39] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [lwnnet/@lwnnet] O'Reilly: Sexual Harassment at Technical Conferences: A Big No-NoJul 25 21:43
schestowitzHaven't read itJul 25 21:43
schestowitzI am guessingJul 25 21:43
schestowitzSexual Harassment = coming on to someoneJul 25 21:43
schestowitz!google elevatorgateJul 25 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - search.twitter.com | http://search.twitter.com/search%3Fq%3D%2523elevatorgateJul 25 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Elevatorgate | DLandonCole.com | http://dlandoncole.com/node/75Jul 25 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Enterprise Elevator Products | http://www.elevatorgates.com/Jul 25 21:43
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - The Atheist Experience™: Oh hell, is Elevatorgate going to ruin TAM9? | http://atheistexperience.blogspot.com/2011/07/oh-hell-is-elevatorgate-going-to-ruin.htmlJul 25 21:43
schestowitzThis one is also a new inident http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JA4EPRbWhQJul 25 21:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ‪It's Only Sexist When Men Do It‬‏       - YouTube .::. Size~: 175.96 KBJul 25 21:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] «Wow, an Open Source potato!» Nathan Ford in #Leverage. Lol. Microsoft, we get there as good guys even when you pay for ads in the series.Jul 25 21:49
ThistleWebnot to be confused with cumming on top of someoneJul 25 21:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] thwart the UK secret police - use #Linux, lock yer screen while the workmen are in, & watch them like hawksJul 25 21:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] http://www.hackerbus.eu/ Support Moritz in his hackerspace travels.Jul 25 21:55
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ender_33That's a great quote -- "DrPizza" blames Microsoft Windows vulnerability to millions of viruses on "user stupidity".Jul 25 21:59
ender_33I do tooJul 25 21:59
Guest19735as in stupid to use windows?Jul 25 22:00
ender_33yesJul 25 22:00
schestowitz:-)Jul 25 22:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Disc deathbed: Is the optical drive obsolete? (MSNBC): http://on.today.com/mPSNqyJul 25 22:01
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schestowitzHe's not that Bright, is he?Jul 25 22:01
Guest19735I was discussing Windows 8 ARM edition vaporware with a friend in the linux community the other day.  Stating that it is supposed to be malware free using net or html software only (maybe) from MS Market.Jul 25 22:04
MinceRalso use case-freeJul 25 22:05
Guest19735The friend said it will not be malware free for long, as IE would be its browser, and therefore drive by internet malware will quickly be written for the future ARM 8 WindowsJul 25 22:05
MinceRthen only use case-freeJul 25 22:06
MinceRoh well, i guess it will be a bit like chrome os, only a lot worseJul 25 22:06
Guest19735as it is doubtful MS will use proper sercurity as defaultJul 25 22:06
ender_33Windows 8 is Windows Phone 7 + Windows 7Jul 25 22:06
ender_337+7 = 8Jul 25 22:06
ender_33;)Jul 25 22:06
ThistleWebMicrosoft long ago decided to enable stuff by default instead of teaching users what it was, so they could run their own services without the user saying "it's broken"Jul 25 22:07
ThistleWebhence the active x hassleJul 25 22:07
Guest19735they added the metro (wp7) menu on the front end and some newer wallpaper, that will be about it for the intel versionJul 25 22:07
ThistleWebdidn't take a genius to spot that malware writers would hook into that "enabled by default" to install malware on people's pcsJul 25 22:08
ThistleWebbut then again, Microsoft never saw the internet coming, so maybe it's plausable that they didn't spot that logical extensionJul 25 22:08
Guest19735The point is to expect MS to say that Windows ARM 8 will be malware freeJul 25 22:09
MinceRthey never cared anywayJul 25 22:09
Guest19735as a selling pointJul 25 22:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Apparently Mac OSX Lion has these new amazing shiny magical [TM] features http://gotu.me/lion [Warning: may cause hair loss] #crappleJul 25 22:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Google+ is a SPAM machine masquerading as your friends trying to share links with you. Why should I have to opt out? I never opted _in_.Jul 25 22:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 100,000,000 Reasons to Boycott #SUSE http://ur1.ca/4sebx proving yet again that @boycottnovell was right and we need to antagonise #selloutJul 25 22:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] 100,000,000 Reasons to Boycott #SUSE http://ur1.ca/4sebx #opensuse #novell #microsoft #swpats #mono #compiracy #collusionJul 25 22:09
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ThistleWebmalware supports an industry of companiesJul 25 22:09
ThistleWebif it was designed to last, they wouldn't get people buying new PCs every few yearsJul 25 22:10
Guest19735have already seen posted comments now from suspected MS shills promoting Windows Arm 8 as malware freeJul 25 22:10
MinceRthere's a way it could be malware-freeJul 25 22:11
ThistleWebwhile it's non existent, it's hard for even the most determined malware writers to get to work, so maybe it is...for nowJul 25 22:11
MinceRif they never release itJul 25 22:11
Guest19735it could be trojan free at firstJul 25 22:11
Guest19735yes, for nowJul 25 22:12
Guest19735http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-07-icahn-motorola-patents-cash.htmlJul 25 22:13
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Guest19735"Shares of cellphone maker Motorola Mobility Holdings jumped to a four-month high Thursday after activist investor Carl Icahn disclosed that he's pushing the company to squeeze profits from its vast patent portfolio."Jul 25 22:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] This week's Leverage plays against Monsanto with 'open source' potatoes. LolJul 25 22:14
MinceRcan't squeeze profits from products anymore?Jul 25 22:15
Guest19735Motorola is not doing too bad with AndroidJul 25 22:15
Guest19735"Motorola said Thursday that it continues to review its options and that the turnaround of its cellphone sales is in part due to its 17,000 patents."Jul 25 22:16
Guest19735"Though Motorola is now only small player in the global cellphone market, it was a pioneer of the technology and was the second-largest phone maker in the world just five years ago. That means it has far more phone patents than its size suggests."Jul 25 22:17
Guest19735Could it be that Motorola has a very good legal defense against the MS lawsuit?Jul 25 22:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Microsoft apologizes for 'vile' Amy Winehouse tweet http://tinyurl.com/44y5nwk #microsoft #fail #mvpbuzz #mvp #windows #xp #wp7Jul 25 22:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh I have a hat, but I'm at work in the office right nowJul 25 22:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft apologizes for 'vile' Amy Winehouse tweet | Technically Incorrect - CNET News .::. Size~: 135.64 KBJul 25 22:21
Guest19735So you were all discussing the Suse extended deal with MS when I got here?Jul 25 22:29
*ThistleWeb was teaching his imaginary hamster to tap danceJul 25 22:29
Guest19735http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/25/microsoft_suse_deal_renewed/Jul 25 22:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft kicks SUSE another $100m • The Register .::. Size~: 29.09 KBJul 25 22:29
ThistleWebno time for SuSE ;PJul 25 22:30
Guest19735AttachSUSEJul 25 22:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Not right now! We haven't even begun the show yet.... ;)Jul 25 22:30
MinceRgnJul 25 22:31
Guest19735"As El Reg went to press, Rego did not know how much of the 2008 $100m deal had been burned through by Novell and now SUSE, but he said that the new $100m deal supersedes the old $100m deal, which was set to expire in January 2012. The new $100m deal runs through January 2016."Jul 25 22:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh well hurry it up bub! ha! I'll start collecting some gearJul 25 22:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] damn, I should never have listened to Bron-Y-Aur-Stomp - it's stuck in my headJul 25 22:32
Guest19735"An interesting tidbit appeared in the joint Microsoft-SUSE announcement on the new deal: only 725 customers have bought SUSE Linux support under the agreement. That's a lot of money for a relatively small number of customers"Jul 25 22:33
ender_33http://www.physorg.com/news184484254.htmlJul 25 22:33
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ender_33he sure didJul 25 22:33
Guest19735only '725 customers'?  is this on the same order as the Kin and WP7?  a failureJul 25 22:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Cool. @methoddan and I just came up with the concept a few hours ago.... ;)Jul 25 22:34
Guest19735Suse sure has fallen on the Distrowatch ratings, although those are not a great way to measure the popularity of a distro.Jul 25 22:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh And the first episode isn't out yet? #slackerJul 25 22:37
Guest19735http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_IcahnJul 25 22:38
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Guest19735"He has taken substantial or controlling positions in various corporations including RJR Nabisco, TWA, Texaco, Phillips Petroleum, Western Union, Gulf & Western, Viacom, Uniroyal, Dan River, Marshall Field's, E-II (Culligan and Samsonite), American Can, USX, Marvel Comics, Revlon, Imclone, Federal-Mogul, Fairmont Hotels, Blockbuster, Kerr-McGee, Time Warner and Motorola."Jul 25 22:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @x11r5 @tekk Again, i said yes. 10 Minutes of nyan cat is all i can see you using pidgin itself for that, any pointers??Jul 25 22:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] http://ur1.ca/4sehk at least we're not detroit!Jul 25 22:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra LOL. You better come on as a guest or YOU are the slacker. ;)Jul 25 22:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ‪Hastily Made Cleveland Tourism Video: 2nd Attempt‬‏       - YouTube .::. Size~: 137.03 KBJul 25 22:41
Guest19735"Icahn was a director of Blockbuster until January 2010, and the chairman of Imclone, Icahn Enterprises, XO Communications, WestPoint Home, Cadus, and American Railcar Industries."Jul 25 22:41
Guest19735when he raided and took over blockbuster, they started steaming movies using MS DRMJul 25 22:42
_Goblin"An interesting tidbit appeared in the joint Microsoft-SUSE announcement on the new deal: only 725 customers have bought SUSE Linux support under the agreement." ---> Thats about as many as the amount of Kin's that were sold.... ;)Jul 25 22:47
Guest19735100 milliion for 725 customers, those be expensive licensesJul 25 22:51
Guest19735But why should Ballmer care?  He blew 8.5 billion on Skype, billions on the Nokia deal, when Nokia is most likely to implode and go broke or sellout soon.Jul 25 22:53
_GoblinI still think he bought Skype to secure his job.....thats his Skype vision and after blowing all that money will they want to cut him loose?  They will want to see what he does with it....Jul 25 22:54
_Goblinballmer goes......Microsoft is left with an expensive Skype purchase.Jul 25 22:54
Guest19735Online is bleeding 2.5 billion a year now (Bing/MSN), and Window Phone is a failure like the Kin,  In fact, Windows Phone only thing it has going for it is the future Nokia vaporphones.Jul 25 22:56
Guest19735Nokia is fast becoming a ghost of itself with Elop at the helm.  By the time it rolls out WP, an system that has worse than poor sales, Nokia will have almost no market share left.Jul 25 22:58
Guest19735Nokia is now thanks in part to Elop, the number 3 producer of smartphones behind SamsungJul 25 22:59
_GoblinI think its long since been the case of Microsoft sustaining itself (mostly) from Office/WindowsJul 25 22:59
_Goblinoh and apparently making more money from Android than its own WP7Jul 25 23:00
_Goblinbrb....Jul 25 23:00
Guest19735yes, and I would say that server is still windows, and corporate sales are still sales of windows, windows server and office mostlyJul 25 23:01
Guest19735so really Windows is the underpinning pony and windows and office are the cash cowsJul 25 23:02
Guest19735MS is really only a one trick ponyJul 25 23:02
Guest19735The increase in MS Office sales are the results of putting MS Office Trial on  all new computersJul 25 23:03
Guest19735at some point the increase from that will start to fadeJul 25 23:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @bkuhn @fontana, That's my point! I'm betting !Canonical is banking on most people not *realizing* the #CLA in question is essentiall ...Jul 25 23:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Microsoft renews agreement to prop up Novell/SUSE: http://wmk.me/nxBJiyJul 25 23:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft and SUSE Renew Successful Interoperability Agreement: Strong customer response leads to four-year, $100 million extension. .::. Size~: 49.93 KBJul 25 23:07
Guest19735In fact, the dismissal Online divison at MS (Bing/MSN) is so bad that it impacts Yahoo revenues.Jul 25 23:08
Guest19735MS Online has lost money for the last six years.Jul 25 23:08
Guest19735Remember those MS shills sites that said Nokia/WP7 would surpass iPhone and be number 2 by 2013?Jul 25 23:10
Guest19735http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2011/7/25/microsoft-nokia-best-case-scenario-825-market-share-in-2013.aspxJul 25 23:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Nokia Best Case Scenario: 8% Market Share in 2013 - Bright Side Of News* .::. Size~: 92.89 KBJul 25 23:10
Guest19735best case*  worse case they will be bankrupt.Jul 25 23:11
Guest19735Ballmer is probably holding on with this nokia will save WP7 deal.  At least until shareholders and maybe the board wakes up.Jul 25 23:13
Guest19735Windows Phone is a complete Kin type of failure, that along with the failure of Online should have been enough for Ballmer to have found the door one last time.Jul 25 23:14
Guest19735Bada sales are almost twice the sales of WP7Jul 25 23:16
Guest19735"We know Nokia will end this year with about 7% market share and about 11 million smartphone sales (generating massive losses) as it launches the first Microsoft based smartphone a little before Christmas."Jul 25 23:17
Guest19735that from the last linkJul 25 23:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[michaelgeist/@michaelgeist] mgeist: York University announces that it plans to opt-out of Access Copyright interim tariff effective Sept 2011 h... http://ping.fm/82ZYOJul 25 23:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft extends SUSE Linux partnership (Computerworld): http://bit.ly/qlV4ZmJul 25 23:17
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Guest19735The future of Ballmer as MS CEO is directly tyed to the health of Nokia sales of wP7Jul 25 23:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good evening !identicaJul 25 23:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] IBM speeds storage with flash: 10B files in 43 minutes (Computerworld): http://bit.ly/pC06sSJul 25 23:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] feeling somewhat better, bad migraine day today :(Jul 25 23:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @michaelgeist mgeist: York University announces that it plans to opt-out of Access Copyright interim tariff effective Sept 2011 h... ...Jul 25 23:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Super Collision At Studio Dave: The New World of SuperCollider3, Part 1 (Linux Journal) http://lwn.net/Articles/452875/rssJul 25 23:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Mozilla Prepares Its Own Web-Based Operating System | Phoronix http://goo.gl/etP7zJul 25 23:26
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Guest19735http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/clendenin-says-nokia-will-never-dominate-market-again/2011/07/21/gIQAv6vtSI_video.htmlJul 25 23:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Clendenin Says Nokia Will Never Dominate Market Again - The Washington Post .::. Size~: 158.55 KBJul 25 23:28
Guest19735http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/samsung-smartphone-sales-surpassed-nokia-possibly-apple/Jul 25 23:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Samsung smartphone sales surpassed Nokia, possibly Apple .::. Size~: 48.61 KBJul 25 23:28
Guest19735http://www.businessweek.com/technology/as-bad-as-it-seems-now-nokias-future-looks-worse-07222011.htmlJul 25 23:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: As Bad As It Seems Now, Nokia's Future Looks Worse - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 62.97 KBJul 25 23:32
Guest19735"After revising its earnings estimates downward in May, Nokia on Thursday shared abysmal results for the second quarter. The onetime clear leader of the first smartphone era has tumbled down to what looks like the third spot for smartphone sales, definitely behind Apple and likely behind Samsung as well. With a new chief executive in Stephen Elop, Nokia is surely in transition, but a transition to what?"Jul 25 23:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Rage Against the Masochist http://ur1.ca/4serp #intellectualventures #swpats #uspto #npr #microsoft #lodsysJul 25 23:34
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Guest19735http://gigaom.com/2011/07/21/nokia-on-the-ropes-as-it-posts-692m-loss/Jul 25 23:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Nokia on the ropes as it posts $692M loss — Tech News and Analysis .::. Size~: 91.12 KBJul 25 23:34
Guest19735"Announcing its second quarter results today, the Finnish handset maker said that from April to June it posted a loss of ?487 million ? or $692 million ? on revenues of ?9.275 billion ($13.2 billion). Not only does that send the company crashing into the red, but it also means sales are down 11 percent on the previous quarter, and down 8 percent, or more than a billion dollars, from the same time last year."Jul 25 23:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Rage Against the Masochist http://ur1.ca/4serp #cartel #patenttroll #android #oracle #google #android #amazon #monopolyJul 25 23:36
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Guest19735http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2011072543828Jul 25 23:39
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schestowitz[22:10] <Guest19735> have already seen posted comments now from suspected MS shills promoting Windows Arm 8 as malware freeJul 25 23:39
schestowitzWell, when only 10 apps run on your OS, then not many malicious software exists :-)Jul 25 23:39
Guest19735trueJul 25 23:39
schestowitzLet's see. MineSweeper for ARM, Solitaire, Paint..Jul 25 23:40
schestowitzRedEdit for ARMJul 25 23:40
schestowitzScandisk for ARMJul 25 23:40
schestowitzAll those goodiesJul 25 23:40
schestowitzWow. I need a new pair... so excited... dreJul 25 23:40
schestowitzdefrag for armJul 25 23:40
schestowitzNow I can defrag the drive and use up less electricityJul 25 23:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] S'okay. If the denting is too loud i can always climb back under an icepack @gomerxJul 25 23:41
schestowitzTake THAT, Linux!Jul 25 23:41
_GoblinRoy, when are you going on hols?Jul 25 23:41
Guest19735"A U.S.-based website last month released a list of brands that will likely disappear next year due to mergers and acquisitions, putting Nokia?s mobile phones on top. Rumors say Microsoft or Samsung Electronics could take over the Finnish company. Nokia?s earnings and prospects, however, demonstrate that the company holds little attraction for acquisition."Jul 25 23:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "[O]nly 725 customers have bought SUSE Linux support under the agreement." http://ur1.ca/4setm they just about beat KIN. Success! #novellJul 25 23:44
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schestowitz[23:02] <Guest19735> MS is really only a one trick pony   << let by a one-trick donkey (throwing a chair is the trick)Jul 25 23:45
schestowitz_Goblin: tomorrow earlyJul 25 23:45
_Goblinah.....Jul 25 23:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] good evening @laurelrusswurmJul 25 23:46
_Goblinyou going to be online at all or is it a total holiday from everything?Jul 25 23:46
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/homembit/status/95624126777135104?iid=am-203724525013116335434977849&nid=4&uid=26603208Jul 25 23:46
TechrightsBot-tr@homembit: @schestowitz and also put MS formats in OpenOffice.... This is my question: What is *the real* Suse role at LibreOffice right now !Jul 25 23:46
schestowitzThey are dominant in the IRC channel, development tooJul 25 23:47
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/homembit/status/95624350123827200Jul 25 23:47
TechrightsBot-tr@homembit: @schestowitz I trust on the Suse folks at TDF, but I don't trust on the people receiving their reports and giving orders.Jul 25 23:47
schestowitzMe neitherJul 25 23:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz I don't think it matters what fans want if the copyright holder corporation chooses to keep the original work locked under copyrightJul 25 23:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz as it was, the principals shut down the fan interest. Whether because of copyright holder or fan pressure it is hard to knowJul 25 23:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] 'evening @eebrah :)Jul 25 23:51
Guest19735http://tamss60.tamoggemon.com/2011/07/22/nokia-goes-disastrous-with-q2-results/Jul 25 23:51
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Guest19735"Well we all had been anticipating that, quite frankly. With the Q2 results of Nokia made public, even the blind can see the future."Jul 25 23:52
Guest19735"The operating profits have sunk to 44% since Q1 of this year, down 44% from 704 million Euros to 391 million Euros. Sales are down, way down. The net sales have plummeted 23% since Q1 2011 and 20% from Q2 last year."Jul 25 23:52
_Goblinschestowitz: while you are away I may be able to get sorted with my solo effort....so if you get a chance try to catch it whilst you are awayJul 25 23:53
Guest19735http://articles.boston.com/2011-07-22/business/29803959_1_ericsson-nokia-new-planJul 25 23:56
TechrightsBot-trEmpty reply from server ( http://articles.boston.com/2011-07-22/business/29803959_1_ericsson-nokia-new-plan )Jul 25 23:56
Guest19735Title: Nokia, Ericsson speed cost cut plansJul 25 23:56
Guest19735"Nokia, the largest seller of mobile phones by volume, said it planned to cut more than the $1.43 billion it had previously planned to trim from its operating expenses by 2013. The company, based in Espoo, Finland, did not specify a new target. It revealed the new plan as it reported a loss of $530 million in the second quarter."Jul 25 23:57
schestowitz_Goblin: excellent, we need to support these efforts tooJul 25 23:57
Guest19735We know what the term cost cutting means.  It means more layoffs for Nokia.Jul 25 23:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @davidgerard: Stay classy, Microsoft. http://t.co/HZg5GuUJul 25 23:57
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sebsebsebHiJul 25 23:57
schestowitzGuest19735: or moving to CHina moreJul 25 23:58
Guest19735yes, offshoring tooJul 25 23:58
schestowitzbut that's where they already make most phonesJul 25 23:58
schestowitzsend ELop's job to ChinaJul 25 23:58
schestowitzAnybody would do better than a moleJul 25 23:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] hey there @maloki :)Jul 25 23:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] friend of freedom, yes, fearless, not so much ;) @cerJul 25 23:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @glynmoody New Study: #Piracy Increases The Quality Of Content - http://bit.ly/qPb7mr makes sense if you think about itJul 25 23:59
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Guest19735Elop's burning platform memo, sure burnt the profits of Nokia shareholders down quickly.Jul 25 23:59

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