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| schestowitz | Delay in action against Apple's abuse against Android, with patents.. | Sep 27 00:22 |
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| schestowitz | > Roy...here is a copy of an email I sent keith bergelt. I really cannot wait. It is already the end of september! And it is not fair to me. | Sep 27 00:22 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 00:22 |
| schestowitz | > [...] | Sep 27 00:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 00:23 |
| schestowitz | > 3 weeks ago you asked to meet on the 21st of September in NYC. I waited for instructions from you on exactly where & when but I think you were too busy. A few days before the 21st I walked by the Waldorf on Park Ave and the streets were packed with police and barricades and women with cameras hoping to catch a diplomat or two (due to UN activities)...and I figured perhaps you visit to nyc at that particular time meant you were | Sep 27 00:23 |
| schestowitz | socializing with your old friends in diplomatic circles. So I did not want to disturb you. | Sep 27 00:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 00:23 |
| schestowitz | > But it is now the end of september, and samsung versus apple, and a long list of other cases which I am undeniably & verifiably prior art and central to...are at full gear. | Sep 27 00:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 00:23 |
| schestowitz | > I would really appreciate a relationship with the open source/linux community that unblocks people to cite my work...honestly...unfettered...with all cards on the table for all to see. And acquiring rights to my IP without further delay would let that happen. | Sep 27 00:23 |
| schestowitz | I think that the OIN has always been slow and not so proactive. It is still worth pursuing a good cause rather than act impulsively and reach out for the nearest exit. Should I prod keith a little? | Sep 27 00:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 27 00:54 |
| schestowitz | > Roy...I really cannot wait!!! Yes please prod them to act without further delay! | Sep 27 00:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 00:54 |
| schestowitz | > I just cannot stall and it is not fair to me and if OIN cannot understand that... while cheering Google on for willfully infringing my IP via Android...precisely because I told Andy Rubin my steve jobs story in the summer of 2007...and the NY times reported only last week that Andy Rubin was rewarded by Google to the tune of "a multimillion dollar bonus" for bringing Android to Google...whereas I have always been unilaterally | Sep 27 00:54 |
| schestowitz | trying to do the right thing...to the brink of homelessness....if OIN is going to be that hypocritical and self righteous...then Bill Gates & Nathan Myhrvold & Acacia might as well be my friends because the "good guys" are no better. | Sep 27 00:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 00:54 |
| schestowitz | > Please Roy make them do the right thing NOW...this is "the Cuban Missile Crisis" ...no joke. | Sep 27 00:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 27 00:54 |
| schestowitz | urgency... | Sep 27 00:57 |
| schestowitz | The patents which have been offered to the OIN are now at danger of falling into the hands of patent trolls. Then delays and lack of progress now jeopardise what can be good deterrence and instead might be used against Linux-powered phones and tablets. If the OIN's goal is to take patents off the hands of trolls or prevent these from getting there, action is needed more urgently. | Sep 27 00:57 |
| schestowitz | The OIN is being slow and lazy | Sep 27 00:59 |
| schestowitz | At peril to Linux.. | Sep 27 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Don't know why they are being so passive.. | Sep 27 00:59 |
| schestowitz | This guy could make a killing as a patent troll | Sep 27 00:59 |
| schestowitz | I've also started some companies of my own... but would never have though of trying to create a firm to attack Microsoft and Apple with patents | Sep 27 00:59 |
| schestowitz | This guy might be able to do it | Sep 27 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Plan B is, start a NPE whose whole purpose is to remove or attempt to remove Apple/Microsoft products out of the market. VC could probably be gained from it and the net effect is still beneficial to Linux, as means of deterrence. It has always been a good strategy, as long as you hit the bad guys only with those patents. The bad guys are those who strike first (patent aggressors) to sell their monopoly wares... | Sep 27 01:02 |
| schestowitz | The important point is, the patents must not reach patent trolls as they would be eager to attack the good guys too. If needed, I can try to help raise VC for legal actions against Microsoft/Apple. | Sep 27 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > Roy...I am all for an NPE to act on behalf of Linux/Open Source...its a "taste of their own medicine" approach. | Sep 27 01:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 01:15 |
| schestowitz | > But whether its VC money or OIN...the bottom line is somebody HAS to compensate me something now. NOW! If ... | Sep 27 01:16 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 01:16 |
| schestowitz | because we always tried to do the right thing while literally no one else did...and | Sep 27 01:16 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 01:16 |
| schestowitz | no one not even the "good guys" would even bother to throw out a life jacket...all while keeping me on | Sep 27 01:16 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 01:16 |
| schestowitz | reserve for their own agenda and benefit...then plain and simple they deserve to have bill gates dismantle their existence. | Sep 27 01:16 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 01:16 |
| schestowitz | I have been extremely gracious and patient literally a life time but everybody just wants to kill me. | Sep 27 01:16 |
| schestowitz | I understand... and there will hopefully be a response from Keith shortly, or even I shall phone him. | Sep 27 01:16 |
| schestowitz | > Roy, | Sep 27 01:18 |
| schestowitz | > Hi. Thanks for the note but the applicability and relevance of patents to particular targets is our area of expertise. We have been bending over backwards to see the relevance of these patents but at this phase they do not appear to meet the typical high standards of applicability that would trigger acquisition. We only purchase dead on reads not troll bait - that is the province of RPX, AST and other corporate patent | Sep 27 01:19 |
| schestowitz | buying clubs. | Sep 27 01:19 |
| schestowitz | > We do not let good and relevant patents get away - period. We face purposeful and/or incidental misrepresentation of patent claim relevance on a regular basis and have developed a sophisticated process of analyzing patents and separating the relevant from the irrelevant. | Sep 27 01:19 |
| schestowitz | > So, while we appreciate the note and we are on top of this and will continue to prosecute our responsibilities in support of the mission with passion and rigor. | Sep 27 01:19 |
| schestowitz | > Best, | Sep 27 01:19 |
| schestowitz | > Keith | Sep 27 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | hmmm... | Sep 27 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > That is a tricky reply from OIN! | Sep 27 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > If that were true...why have they agreed that Groklaw would suppress info about me??? | Sep 27 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > If my patents were no good...then they are the equivalent of public domain publications...and they are indisputably prior art against apple...so why conceal me?? | Sep 27 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > OIN is lying and gaming the system! | Sep 27 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > I suspected they would ever since that Raffi character emailed me that rettarded analysis of his which wreaked of technical retardation. | Sep 27 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > This tells me oin is in collusion with Google...which had probably offered them a quid pro quo deal that requires they screw me...but suppress info about me too. | Sep 27 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > They are fools...because by doing so they have forfeit the right to play the high ground...any action they take now is laced with conspiracy to obstruct justice and fraud...they damned themselves because of their egos and trickiness! | Sep 27 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > Roy...I sensed that on numerous occasions you wanted to tell my story but backed out. Only you know what happened but I was personally wondering whether your "american friends" told you to not mention me. | Sep 27 02:23 |
| schestowitz | No, they have never told me so. I personally never liked their secrecy. A lot of these patent affairs are shady IMHO. It's all, collusion and deterrence. It's part of the corruption I habitually speak about. | Sep 27 02:23 |
| schestowitz | > If so...why would they do that? I am prior art against apple - period. Why suppress that? As groklaw has all along. | Sep 27 02:23 |
| schestowitz | groklaw is close to OIN. It's also run by the Peer2Patent guy. I trust Groklaw, but only to a degree. | Sep 27 02:23 |
| schestowitz | > As for raffi gostanian...I have faced people like him all my life. Literally no one...not even infringing companies said what he said...that "no one practices these patented steps". That is so moronic as to be laughable. Raffi's sole accomplishment in life is riding on keith's coat tails...supposedly as his "technical expert". More like frustrated loser trying to sabotage honest people even if it hurts his boss's mission. | Sep 27 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Well, I don't know anything about him, so can't comment on it. | Sep 27 02:23 |
| schestowitz | > Their account is full of lies...and lies come with inconsistencies. They cannot reveal me because the truth doesn't support their story. | Sep 27 02:23 |
| schestowitz | The OIN was probably the best shot, but they again confirmed to me that FOSS can't quite rely on the OIN, just massive FOSS companies. :-( | Sep 27 02:23 |
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| schestowitz | > Roy, | Sep 27 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > Being called a patent troll by bergelt (FUCK that crooked liar) is probably the biggest insult ever. I am extremely honest. Its because people like him spend their lives lying they think other people do. | Sep 27 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > This is not new. Most people aren't PhD/british-scientist types like you roy. I could sense from th start that Gostanian was going to sabotage everything. Losers who have no talent and nothing but anger at their own worthlessness always try to destroy good things. | Sep 27 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > Fuck him! Bill gates is my saint now. And I will do all I can to help msft defeat android/open source/linux. Bill gates never pretended to be a saint...duh...that would be bergelt and his gang. | Sep 27 09:03 |
| schestowitz | Trust me, Gates is a terrible exploiter and user. bergelt is more of an IBM type, like the predecessor Rosenthal who came from IBM. | Sep 27 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > People can lie and cheat but truth drives the universe. Everyone cloned the iPhone/iPad because Apple did not invent it and cannot stop them. Google has Android becasue andy rubin led Google's effort to steal apple's product knowing it came from me. Now the truth is...msft will strike back knowing keiths people cannot do anything about it and android is every bit as stolen as the iPhone. You said just this morning on techrights... | Sep 27 09:03 |
| schestowitz | msft is hardly in the smartphone business. Why do you think that is???? Because gates knows the iPhones origin and his harvard pride and understanding of willful infringement...as the son of a lawyer...prevented him. They had no hesitation with killing netscape...or fighting nintendo...or making GUI OS's. Why sit out something as important as smartphones and tablets? | Sep 27 09:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is just trying to drive competition out of business, harming people like yourself. Please do not help them. | Sep 27 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > Watch the pendulum swing in msft's favor --- thanks to bergelt and his idiot monkey brain "expert" gostanian. I am extremely honest! Fuck them! And if OIN gets money from Google...msft will thank them for that "coincidence". | Sep 27 09:03 |
| schestowitz | Just please do not help Microsoft in any way... nor Apple. It would not be the ethical thing to do. | Sep 27 09:03 |
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| schestowitz | spammers strike today,.. | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | On 9/27/11 12:16 PM, Roy Schestowitz wrote: | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | >> >> Hi, Roy, | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | >> >> | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | >> >> A few minutes after I unblocked 216.105.40.99, the page was | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | >> >> vandalized: | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | >> >> | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | >> >> http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Mono_Applications&diff=0&oldid=8220 | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | >> >> | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | >> >> | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | >> >> | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | I've rolled back the changes and blocked the IP number again, but it | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | >> >> is problematic because I think it is the IP number for the | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | >> >> site's proxy/cache. Blocking it blocks everybody, not just the | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | >> >> malfeasant. | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | >> Truly interesting.. Is that scripted spam? | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | > I'm guessing it is automated in some way. The problem is that the | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | > Wiki is not seeing the real IP addresses of authors and is seeing the | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | > world from one or two addresses only. I've left it so people can | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | > create an account and log in. | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Currently they cannot create accounts as I disabled this two weeks ago to ikpede a torrent of new profile spam. :/ | Sep 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Either way, as long as people can at least /view/ all pages and now be incorrectly blocked, that's great. | Sep 27 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Hmmm | Sep 27 13:53 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://www.varnish-cache.org/docs/2.1/faq/http.html You have read this. | Sep 27 13:57 |
| oiaohm | You can make varnish-cache pass forwards the the IP where the request is comeing from. | Sep 27 13:57 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: adding posts must be approved option for suspect IP address ranges. | Sep 27 13:59 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: so avoid spam being directly displayed. | Sep 27 13:59 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: I guess afk | Sep 27 13:59 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: also some proxy locations add extras of the user behind the proxy so allowing you to weed out those hidding behind the proxy. | Sep 27 14:01 |
| schestowitz | hey oiaohm | Sep 27 14:12 |
| schestowitz | I wondered where you were 2 days ago | Sep 27 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Thought you had existed the "battleground" | Sep 27 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Been busy | Sep 27 14:13 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I think we can't tell "good" IPs and "bad" ones as the spammers use a big pool | Sep 27 14:14 |
| schestowitz | So 2 weeks ago we blocked new regs | Sep 27 14:14 |
| schestowitz | all of them | Sep 27 14:14 |
| schestowitz | To see the effect | Sep 27 14:14 |
| schestowitz | but we got spam from anon users | Sep 27 14:14 |
| schestowitz | many IPs | Sep 27 14:14 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: maybe "busy" in a good way | Sep 27 14:14 |
| schestowitz | I got some clients for my business | Sep 27 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Study | Sep 27 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Redoing certification. | Sep 27 14:14 |
| schestowitz | and a worker here too | Sep 27 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Sux form of busy. | Sep 27 14:15 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: do you still have time for contract work? | Sep 27 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Yes but as with all things certification have to be redone every so often. | Sep 27 14:15 |
| oiaohm | I also did a extra so I can do network cabling in about 2 weeks time. | Sep 27 14:15 |
| oiaohm | After I get all the paper work. | Sep 27 14:16 |
| schestowitz | sounds like a route to a good job | Sep 27 14:16 |
| schestowitz | I have a friend here, Greg, who moved back to Aussie | Sep 27 14:16 |
| schestowitz | He sold his house at a loss and moved to the UK | Sep 27 14:16 |
| schestowitz | Got two kids and wife | Sep 27 14:16 |
| schestowitz | And his job here didn't go too well | Sep 27 14:16 |
| schestowitz | Bad economy | Sep 27 14:16 |
| oiaohm | With the unknown attackers. | Sep 27 14:16 |
| schestowitz | So he found a job to pay him twice as much in Aussie | Sep 27 14:16 |
| oiaohm | There are a few things you can try. | Sep 27 14:17 |
| schestowitz | And sold the house here at a loss (again) | Sep 27 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Because there is a chance its a bot network. | Sep 27 14:17 |
| schestowitz | I heard civil engineers are in high demand in Aussie | Sep 27 14:17 |
| schestowitz | In the asuana last year there was a guy who came to the UK just to poach civil engineers | Sep 27 14:17 |
| schestowitz | He said they pick fresher/undergrads as soon as possible as Aussie doesn't have enough of them | Sep 27 14:17 |
| oiaohm | After all the natural disasters we have had recently there is a lot of repair work still todo. | Sep 27 14:17 |
| schestowitz | I don't know about cisco cert | Sep 27 14:18 |
| schestowitz | but more connection points are always needed | Sep 27 14:18 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: not just the floods? | Sep 27 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Any other things? | Sep 27 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Floods fires cyclones. | Sep 27 14:18 |
| schestowitz | this guy who is a civil engineers will be paid 60k a year (pounds) | Sep 27 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Yes we had the lot in a 3 year time frame. | Sep 27 14:18 |
| schestowitz | he got paid gbp 30k here | Sep 27 14:19 |
| schestowitz | doubling just like that | Sep 27 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Ie the work from the first lot was not fixed when the next hit. | Sep 27 14:19 |
| schestowitz | but he says it's much more expensive to live in .au | Sep 27 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Everything is fine if we get one of these events every 15 years. | Sep 27 14:19 |
| schestowitz | The impression I get is that Aussie doesn't suffer from much of a credit crunch | Sep 27 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Yes and no. | Sep 27 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Depends who you talk to. | Sep 27 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Lot of retail is badly hurt because people are not spending. | Sep 27 14:20 |
| schestowitz | ah.. | Sep 27 14:20 |
| oiaohm | because its not lot harder to get credit these days. | Sep 27 14:20 |
| schestowitz | So, let me guess | Sep 27 14:20 |
| schestowitz | like in the US, where: | Sep 27 14:20 |
| schestowitz | if you have a decent job, you worry not, but is not employable then quite harsh? | Sep 27 14:20 |
| oiaohm | No one is losing houses or anything like that. | Sep 27 14:20 |
| schestowitz | in the Uk there are coucil houses | Sep 27 14:20 |
| schestowitz | So nobody starves or left without housing | Sep 27 14:21 |
| schestowitz | I think that's a US thing | Sep 27 14:21 |
| oiaohm | And we have a decent welfare system and lot of jobs. | Sep 27 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Caravan and tent cities | Sep 27 14:21 |
| oiaohm | ie Mining here for china is still going very well. | Sep 27 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Or people without access to GPs who die from simple illnessses | Sep 27 14:21 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: China? | Sep 27 14:21 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Sep 27 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Japan messed up has hurt our farmers. | Sep 27 14:21 |
| schestowitz | I have some mates in Singapore and mAlaysia | Sep 27 14:21 |
| schestowitz | It's booming there | Sep 27 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Exactly | Sep 27 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Some of them are loaded | Sep 27 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Today I met one girl from there | Sep 27 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Australia provided most of the steal for the asian area. | Sep 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz | My friend's | Sep 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz | cousin as been allocated a Hall of Residence that she did not | Sep 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz | choose. Essentially the Accommodation Office shafted her and would send | Sep 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz | her back and forth (looping) without much of a chance of getting a Hall | Sep 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz | of her choice. The Office is good at doing that to new international | Sep 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz | students who are not assertive. I had to help her out and we finally | Sep 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz | found a much better apartment for her in a modern hall, which is a bit | Sep 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz | expensive but at least something that she likes. It's not quite over yet | Sep 27 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Same with coking coal for steal working also most of that comes from Australia. | Sep 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz | and tomorrow we must get the key and make the payment as they made an | Sep 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz | exception to make the move as fast as possible (she can move in | Sep 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz | tomorrow). Surely it has been stressful for her, but finally she got | Sep 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz | something she is happy with. Now I need to speak to the administration | Sep 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz | and explain the situation to them so that she can transition as smoothly | Sep 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz | as possible and impose no penalties (which I doubt they would, they | Sep 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz | already have the deposit). | Sep 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz | steel, yeah | Sep 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz | carves off the mountains | Sep 27 14:23 |
| schestowitz | I saw some vidros on that | Sep 27 14:23 |
| schestowitz | selling natural resources | Sep 27 14:23 |
| schestowitz | easy transportation to China, I guess | Sep 27 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Thye colect metals | Sep 27 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Sep 27 14:23 |
| schestowitz | I think Canada has a similar scenario | Sep 27 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Australia is not badly effected by the meltdown. | Sep 27 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Bigger problem was japan reactors going bang. | Sep 27 14:23 |
| schestowitz | can happen in Chian to | Sep 27 14:24 |
| oiaohm | so upsetting a few ports that Australia was sending stuff to japan. | Sep 27 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Cablegate had some leaked cables about China's old nuclear facilities | Sep 27 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Old generation ones | Sep 27 14:24 |
| schestowitz | maybe like Chernobyl | Sep 27 14:24 |
| oiaohm | And some of the factorties Australia was supply with materials in japan are no more. | Sep 27 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Really this is the thing. | Sep 27 14:24 |
| schestowitz | well, at leas .au has natural resources | Sep 27 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Unlike Europe | Sep 27 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Most of the asian area is not effected by the econmic melt down. | Sep 27 14:25 |
| schestowitz | In France, Germaqny, UK, Spain there's high density of population | Sep 27 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Big problem is manderins | Sep 27 14:25 |
| schestowitz | And many of the forests are no more | Sep 27 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Just agra-land and urban places | Sep 27 14:25 |
| oiaohm | We grow a specal type just for the japan market. | Sep 27 14:25 |
| oiaohm | The suffering they have had they are not buying as much of them. | Sep 27 14:25 |
| schestowitz | ic... | Sep 27 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Basically retail and farming have taken hits. | Sep 27 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Then with all our natural disasters. | Sep 27 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Note the natural disasters is costing use more than the finance meltdown. | Sep 27 14:26 |
| schestowitz | how much? | Sep 27 14:27 |
| schestowitz | 30 million people don't have much infrastructure | Sep 27 14:27 |
| schestowitz | btw, when hurricane andrew hit florida my cousin made a lot of money | Sep 27 14:27 |
| oiaohm | You are kidding right. | Sep 27 14:27 |
| schestowitz | Cause they had to rebuild | Sep 27 14:27 |
| schestowitz | the loser then was the US taxpayer | Sep 27 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Rebuild cost from the floods is about 40 billion. | Sep 27 14:27 |
| oiaohm | In goverment infrastructure destoryed | Sep 27 14:28 |
| schestowitz | so about AU$1000 per person | Sep 27 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Sep 27 14:28 |
| schestowitz | uit's not as bad as the debt here | Sep 27 14:28 |
| schestowitz | maybe like $100,000 per person | Sep 27 14:28 |
| schestowitz | orders of magnitude apart | Sep 27 14:28 |
| oiaohm | The finance stablistation cost us about 12 billion. | Sep 27 14:28 |
| schestowitz | The Eu-wise system is on the brink of credit collapse | Sep 27 14:29 |
| schestowitz | That's what the radio tells me each moprning | Sep 27 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Our banks are stable. | Sep 27 14:29 |
| schestowitz | I distrust the radio on most things, but I don't think it's just a false claim/illusion of panic | Sep 27 14:29 |
| oiaohm | They were not allows to invest more than 15 percent in suspect stuff. | Sep 27 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Yes they got hurt but hey a bank losing 15 percent is livable. | Sep 27 14:29 |
| schestowitz | there's talk not about multi-trillion inection into EU nations to resucre them | Sep 27 14:29 |
| schestowitz | It just procrastinates everythung | Sep 27 14:30 |
| schestowitz | I'm lucky to be on an ERC grants that runs till 2015 | Sep 27 14:30 |
| oiaohm | Yep you are kinda screwed over there. | Sep 27 14:30 |
| schestowitz | US too | Sep 27 14:30 |
| oiaohm | Your banking regulators suxed. | Sep 27 14:30 |
| schestowitz | 1:10 ratio | Sep 27 14:30 |
| schestowitz | For borrowing | Sep 27 14:30 |
| oiaohm | Australia had really strong banking regulators. | Sep 27 14:30 |
| schestowitz | So I could start a bank with $1000 | Sep 27 14:30 |
| oiaohm | Reason great depression | Sep 27 14:30 |
| schestowitz | And lend out $10,000 | Sep 27 14:30 |
| oiaohm | You are aware in the great depression here in Australia every one of our banks folded. | Sep 27 14:31 |
| schestowitz | based on the assumption ogf growth and assurance of payback | Sep 27 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Include the goverment back ones. | Sep 27 14:31 |
| schestowitz | But then people lose their jobs and houses (assurance) lose value too | Sep 27 14:31 |
| oiaohm | So there was some very strict rules created after that. | Sep 27 14:31 |
| schestowitz | and the bank cannot even pay the money it pretended to have 'stored' for the customer that 'saved' | Sep 27 14:31 |
| schestowitz | 1:10 | Sep 27 14:31 |
| schestowitz | In the UK | Sep 27 14:31 |
| schestowitz | CRACY!! | Sep 27 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Biggest issue is no such thing as a simple credit card. | Sep 27 14:31 |
| oiaohm | any more here. | Sep 27 14:31 |
| schestowitz | Means you generate 10 times as much money as there is | Sep 27 14:31 |
| schestowitz | Just printing out guarnatees for housing an construction | Sep 27 14:32 |
| schestowitz | "Go spend $10,000... I have $1,00) | Sep 27 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Reason regulators spat chips at a few banks here when they started check the country out. | Sep 27 14:32 |
| schestowitz | The credit system depends on growth | Sep 27 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Ie people without means to pay back credit cards backed by usa money had been issued. | Sep 27 14:32 |
| schestowitz | And when there's financial collapse people don't have many ids | Sep 27 14:32 |
| schestowitz | i.e. no growth | Sep 27 14:32 |
| oiaohm | So yes Australia is one of the reason the USA is so screwed up. | Sep 27 14:32 |
| schestowitz | And then we might end up like USSR as of late | Sep 27 14:32 |
| schestowitz | And now Russia with nagative growth | Sep 27 14:33 |
| schestowitz | And immigattion away from it too, not just low brth rates | Sep 27 14:33 |
| oiaohm | Since the regulator spat chips here over it and ruled those cards never had to be paid back. | Sep 27 14:33 |
| oiaohm | Fastest way to fix up the EU problem is just reset the money. | Sep 27 14:33 |
| oiaohm | Ie the debt what debt | Sep 27 14:33 |
| oiaohm | We lost it. | Sep 27 14:33 |
| schestowitz | golobal currency? | Sep 27 14:33 |
| schestowitz | of devalues value? | Sep 27 14:33 |
| schestowitz | *devalued | Sep 27 14:33 |
| schestowitz | one might as well buy property, gold, silver, etc. | Sep 27 14:34 |
| oiaohm | One of our near by countries solved it very warped. | Sep 27 14:34 |
| oiaohm | They allocated a square meter of land. | Sep 27 14:34 |
| oiaohm | And gave it the value of the debt | Sep 27 14:34 |
| schestowitz | hmmm.. | Sep 27 14:34 |
| schestowitz | The UK sells out land now | Sep 27 14:34 |
| oiaohm | So no more debt it was paid by a square meter of land. | Sep 27 14:34 |
| schestowitz | A friend of mine bought s forest | Sep 27 14:34 |
| schestowitz | cheaply | Sep 27 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Not public property anymore | Sep 27 14:34 |
| schestowitz | People owning parts of the UJK | Sep 27 14:34 |
| schestowitz | But this guy is an environmentalist | Sep 27 14:35 |
| schestowitz | bought it to defend it | Sep 27 14:35 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem. | Sep 27 14:35 |
| oiaohm | In some ways it better in your environmentalist friends hands than the goverment | Sep 27 14:36 |
| oiaohm | If the country is going to default to the world bank. | Sep 27 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Back to these pest spammers. | Sep 27 14:36 |
| schestowitz | who runs the WB really? | Sep 27 14:37 |
| schestowitz | I could try to answer that | Sep 27 14:37 |
| schestowitz | but WB and IMF are a taf shady to me | Sep 27 14:37 |
| schestowitz | I know WIPO is in geneva | Sep 27 14:37 |
| MinceR | illuminati | Sep 27 14:37 |
| schestowitz | And WTO is run by the usual suspects | Sep 27 14:37 |
| oiaohm | I guess you have consider capchs(ok those stupid test things) | Sep 27 14:37 |
| schestowitz | But which nations and people are behind the debt machine? | Sep 27 14:38 |
| oiaohm | WB is the IMF and they are the USA. | Sep 27 14:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: ender :-) | Sep 27 14:38 |
| schestowitz | he's in COLA now | Sep 27 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Helping some trolls against Linux advocates | Sep 27 14:38 |
| MinceR | well, if ender ran the WB/IMF, that would be a sort of twist | Sep 27 14:38 |
| oiaohm | The IMF is the old name for the WB | Sep 27 14:38 |
| MinceR | i thought they still called it IMF | Sep 27 14:38 |
| schestowitz | WB reminds me of US | Sep 27 14:38 |
| schestowitz | UN | Sep 27 14:38 |
| schestowitz | In the sense that it's kind of without borders | Sep 27 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Just plutocrats | Sep 27 14:38 |
| MinceR | (not Impossible Mission Force) | Sep 27 14:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: they use IMF when they want to sound international. | Sep 27 14:38 |
| MinceR | ic | Sep 27 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Rich men's club | Sep 27 14:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: they use WB when they want to sound USA. | Sep 27 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Withouy home country, just floating around appointing leaders | Sep 27 14:39 |
| MinceR | that explains why they aren't called WB here | Sep 27 14:39 |
| MinceR | officially | Sep 27 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Officially the IMF does not exist any more. | Sep 27 14:39 |
| oiaohm | yet its name is still used | Sep 27 14:39 |
| schestowitz | [14:38] <oiaohm> WB is the IMF and they are the USA | Sep 27 14:39 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know they are interchangeable | Sep 27 14:40 |
| oiaohm | the IMF offically these days is just a sub branch of the WB | Sep 27 14:40 |
| schestowitz | But they have some leaders there who are not USians | Sep 27 14:40 |
| schestowitz | just bankers that float around because of their power and weigfht | Sep 27 14:40 |
| schestowitz | so do you think WB might try to estabvlish a new currency when the EU and USD get too wobbly to even repay their own deficit | Sep 27 14:41 |
| MinceR | wikipedia says they're somewhat distinct organizations | Sep 27 14:42 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: yuan? | Sep 27 14:42 |
| schestowitz | noan | Sep 27 14:42 |
| schestowitz | but thanks anyway :-) | Sep 27 14:42 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: when you look at there operations they are not what you call distinct. | Sep 27 14:42 |
| oiaohm | IMF and WB use to be 100 percent independant. | Sep 27 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Over time IMF merged into WB. | Sep 27 14:43 |
| schestowitz | [14:42] <MinceR> wikipedia says they're somewhat distinct organizations << so I wasn't too far off | Sep 27 14:43 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: that's different then | Sep 27 14:44 |
| schestowitz | it's not a rename | Sep 27 14:44 |
| schestowitz | or rebrand | Sep 27 14:44 |
| schestowitz | But more of a passage of functionality | Sep 27 14:44 |
| schestowitz | or consolidation of power | Sep 27 14:44 |
| oiaohm | But you notice WB and IMF reps being the same person today. schestowitz | Sep 27 14:45 |
| oiaohm | So in a lot of cases they are no longer distinct | Sep 27 14:45 |
| oiaohm | and more how the person want to repesent self. | Sep 27 14:45 |
| schestowitz | yeah, I guess because of historically significany things though they cannot be treated as synonymous | Sep 27 14:46 |
| schestowitz | I guess the wikipedia will be valndalised by theorists | Sep 27 14:46 |
| schestowitz | like some idiot would enter "freemasonic" stuff into it | Sep 27 14:46 |
| oiaohm | IMF role is kinda evil. | Sep 27 14:46 |
| oiaohm | They are to control trade | Sep 27 14:46 |
| oiaohm | and restrict trade on countries that cannot pay there debts. | Sep 27 14:47 |
| oiaohm | WB lends you the money so you can fix stuff up. | Sep 27 14:47 |
| oiaohm | So in operations they are highly interlinked | Sep 27 14:47 |
| oiaohm | IMF is the debt collector | Sep 27 14:47 |
| oiaohm | WB is the bugger who lent you the money in the first place you cannot pay back. | Sep 27 14:48 |
| schestowitz | they're slave traders | Sep 27 14:48 |
| schestowitz | they turn a nation's kids into wage slaves | Sep 27 14:48 |
| schestowitz | all for almight "IP" | Sep 27 14:48 |
| oiaohm | WB is more a broker locaitons. | Sep 27 14:48 |
| schestowitz | I hate them | Sep 27 14:48 |
| schestowitz | !google world bank techrights | Sep 27 14:48 |
| oiaohm | WB is where the USA is getting moeny from china threw. | Sep 27 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | !google world bank techrights | Sep 27 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | !google imf techrights | Sep 27 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | !google world bank techrights | Sep 27 14:49 |
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| oiaohm | Mostly is a screwed up system. | Sep 27 14:49 |
| schestowitz | same patent freaks | Sep 27 14:49 |
| schestowitz | gates there too | Sep 27 14:49 |
| schestowitz | donating 'IP\ | Sep 27 14:49 |
| oiaohm | The WB could fix the matter by simply falling on it sword | Sep 27 14:49 |
| oiaohm | And saying all debts between all countries will reset today | Sep 27 14:50 |
| oiaohm | And we will start a fresh. | Sep 27 14:50 |
| schestowitz | interesting | Sep 27 14:50 |
| oiaohm | But there are big problems. | Sep 27 14:50 |
| schestowitz | so maybe the US inevsting in a war machine wouldpay off | Sep 27 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Lot of countries will not be under the thumb of the world bank any more. | Sep 27 14:51 |
| schestowitz | they could tell the world's lenders to sod off and then use nuclear deterrence | Sep 27 14:51 |
| oiaohm | China could be pissed off. | Sep 27 14:51 |
| schestowitz | sadly for them china has probablyt enough to nuke the US out of existence | Sep 27 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Wheres China is less interdependent and better distributed | Sep 27 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Really lot of nukes in all countries would fail to go off. | Sep 27 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Someone who was in the army told me China would be good at war | Sep 27 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Their population is adaptabel to strikes | Sep 27 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Reason they have not been renewed. | Sep 27 14:51 |
| oiaohm | People are not aware of that. | Sep 27 14:51 |
| schestowitz | They also have underground cities like here in Manchester | Sep 27 14:51 |
| schestowitz | I don't think the US has such infrastructure | Sep 27 14:52 |
| oiaohm | urandum in war heads has to be redone about every 30 years. | Sep 27 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Not even for fallbacks and safety nets | Sep 27 14:52 |
| oiaohm | If you don't and you fire them | Sep 27 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Which is what the military made the Internet for (distributed) | Sep 27 14:52 |
| oiaohm | They are just a dirty bomb not a nuke. | Sep 27 14:52 |
| oiaohm | USA has not been redoing there nukes | Sep 27 14:53 |
| oiaohm | Neither has china | Sep 27 14:53 |
| schestowitz | how old are china's? | Sep 27 14:53 |
| oiaohm | reason they don't have a waste dump to put the by products of redoing them in. | Sep 27 14:53 |
| oiaohm | About 20 years. schestowitz | Sep 27 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Also, I am not sure they have to redo the whole centrifuge routine all over again | Sep 27 14:53 |
| oiaohm | So getting suspect. | Sep 27 14:53 |
| schestowitz | They already have most of it refined and in place | Sep 27 14:53 |
| schestowitz | so a freshening process is probably something they're capable of even within wartime | Sep 27 14:54 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: No its redo the centrifuge to remove the lead and other degraded products from it. | Sep 27 14:54 |
| oiaohm | then dispose of that waste somewhere. | Sep 27 14:54 |
| schestowitz | can they not just process these in nuclear plants for energy? | Sep 27 14:55 |
| schestowitz | I guess GE and nuke energy got a bad reputation after f*kushima | Sep 27 14:55 |
| oiaohm | nuclaer plants need a lower grade of material. | Sep 27 14:55 |
| oiaohm | Basically expired weapons grade is perfectly fine in nuclaer power plants. | Sep 27 14:56 |
| oiaohm | USA issue is they don't even have waste dumps to take there current nuclaer power plants waste. | Sep 27 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Without redoing there weapons and producing even more waste to dispose of. | Sep 27 14:57 |
| schestowitz | btw | Sep 27 14:57 |
| schestowitz | today in the news | Sep 27 14:57 |
| schestowitz | BAE fired 3,000 workers | Sep 27 14:57 |
| schestowitz | it's an arms giant in the UK | Sep 27 14:57 |
| oiaohm | China is about equally stuffed up. | Sep 27 14:57 |
| schestowitz | not sure if it's bad news | Sep 27 14:57 |
| oiaohm | BAE long form please. | Sep 27 14:57 |
| schestowitz | less weapons | Sep 27 14:57 |
| schestowitz | but more unemployed | Sep 27 14:57 |
| schestowitz | some are based in Yorkshore | Sep 27 14:58 |
| schestowitz | *shire | Sep 27 14:58 |
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| oiaohm | BAE systems? | Sep 27 14:59 |
| schestowitz | !google bae | Sep 27 14:59 |
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| schestowitz | Employees | Sep 27 14:59 |
| schestowitz | 107,000 (2010 | Sep 27 14:59 |
| schestowitz | didn't realise it was *that* big | Sep 27 15:00 |
| oiaohm | That is why I was asking. | Sep 27 15:00 |
| oiaohm | BAE systems 3000 workers is nothing. | Sep 27 15:00 |
| schestowitz | 3000 families | Sep 27 15:00 |
| schestowitz | it's little relative to the company | Sep 27 15:01 |
| schestowitz | not relative to the nation | Sep 27 15:01 |
| schestowitz | it's like 100 small companies dying | Sep 27 15:01 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra_class_Landing_Helicopter_Dock We are waiting on the first one of these to come into operation | Sep 27 15:06 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: read the crew numbers. | Sep 27 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Then think size boat | Sep 27 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Just 2 built? | Sep 27 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Well, I guess you're a small population | Sep 27 15:10 |
| oiaohm | Crew of under 300 to operate the complete ship. | Sep 27 15:12 |
| oiaohm | Note we have had no aircraft cariors of any from for many years. | Sep 27 15:12 |
| oiaohm | After the last one run another ship down and sunk it and damaged it self past repair. | Sep 27 15:13 |
| schestowitz | how many people in US carriers of the largest scale? | Sep 27 15:14 |
| schestowitz | sometime told me like a stadium | Sep 27 15:14 |
| schestowitz | the US uses those to keeps overseas presence while it occupies and imposes its system on other nations | Sep 27 15:14 |
| schestowitz | They can move whole armies like that | Sep 27 15:14 |
| oiaohm | Note our ships are being design to be small | Sep 27 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Also our ships don't have a nuke power plant. | Sep 27 15:16 |
| oiaohm | These ships are being designed for the likes of temor and near by natural disasters. | Sep 27 15:16 |
| oiaohm | jets are almost completetly useless in natural disaster messes. | Sep 27 15:17 |
| schestowitz | how many fit in a carrier? elt's see. | Sep 27 15:17 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uss_cole | Sep 27 15:18 |
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| schestowitz | This one is very small | Sep 27 15:19 |
| schestowitz | ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTQs9X0UOLw | Sep 27 15:20 |
| schestowitz | 300 tons of bombs | Sep 27 15:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTQs9X0UOLw | Sep 27 15:20 |
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| oiaohm | Australian is a odd combination. | Sep 27 15:21 |
| oiaohm | 6 lifts max of 24 helcoptors in ship | Sep 27 15:22 |
| oiaohm | and straight launch and recovery from top of lift | Sep 27 15:22 |
| schestowitz | this one carries 90 planes iirc | Sep 27 15:22 |
| schestowitz | and has a whole city under the deck | Sep 27 15:22 |
| oiaohm | Note planes | Sep 27 15:22 |
| oiaohm | Australian for where we operate that one is worthless. | Sep 27 15:22 |
| oiaohm | Too deep on water | Sep 27 15:23 |
| oiaohm | And what good are planes when you are dealing with islands. | Sep 27 15:23 |
| oiaohm | Without runways. | Sep 27 15:23 |
| oiaohm | Also due to using the russian design runway. | Sep 27 15:25 |
| oiaohm | The Australian one can launch and recieve aircraft while stopped. | Sep 27 15:26 |
| oiaohm | Main reason for only building 2 is most likely the next 2 will be a different design to the first | Sep 27 15:30 |
| oiaohm | As we find bugs. | Sep 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | what happens if moving slowly? | Sep 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | bugs=crashes? | Sep 27 15:30 |
| oiaohm | Maybe not crashes | Sep 27 15:30 |
| oiaohm | Big one is the back of it. | Sep 27 15:31 |
| oiaohm | for amfibuse usage | Sep 27 15:31 |
| oiaohm | I think the rating is a little low. | Sep 27 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Sea State 4 | Sep 27 15:32 |
| oiaohm | Is fairly nice weather. | Sep 27 15:32 |
| oiaohm | I think you would want to be able to send landing craft out in worse | Sep 27 15:32 |
| oiaohm | 1.25 to 2.5 is not even cyclone chop. | Sep 27 15:33 |
| oiaohm | In my eyes it should have been at least Sea State 5 | Sep 27 15:34 |
| oiaohm | 2.5 metres to 4 metres | Sep 27 15:34 |
| oiaohm | At that level you could use the cover of weather to attack. | Sep 27 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Russia lauch design tollerate moving at a reasonable speed in the wrong direction and still take off safely. | Sep 27 15:37 |
| oiaohm | Ie ship never needs to be moving so never should run over an aircraft taking off. | Sep 27 15:38 |
| oiaohm | Lot of usa aircraft cariers have to be moving at speed to send aircraft off. | Sep 27 15:38 |
| schestowitz | in which direction? | Sep 27 15:39 |
| schestowitz | I guess they can speed up the plane | Sep 27 15:39 |
| schestowitz | When t reaches the end and gets off the deck | Sep 27 15:39 |
| schestowitz | How fast can the carrier go anyway? Maybe a few knots? | Sep 27 15:40 |
| oiaohm | No to make runway longer. | Sep 27 15:40 |
| schestowitz | but wait | Sep 27 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Ie usa aircraft cariers have to be going forwards at quite a few knots so aircraft can take off. | Sep 27 15:40 |
| schestowitz | they then slow is down relative to the ground | Sep 27 15:40 |
| schestowitz | how would that be good? | Sep 27 15:40 |
| oiaohm | They can land them still. | Sep 27 15:41 |
| schestowitz | landign yeah | Sep 27 15:41 |
| schestowitz | moving along with the plane | Sep 27 15:41 |
| schestowitz | But opposite when taking off | Sep 27 15:41 |
| oiaohm | relative to ground is not the issue. | Sep 27 15:41 |
| schestowitz | also, takeoff and landing are slow | Sep 27 15:41 |
| schestowitz | maybe 200 mph | Sep 27 15:41 |
| oiaohm | relative to air is the issue. | Sep 27 15:41 |
| schestowitz | or less | Sep 27 15:41 |
| oiaohm | The ramp is the trick. | Sep 27 15:41 |
| schestowitz | so 30 mph for a ship would improve the distance by a factor of about 6 | Sep 27 15:42 |
| schestowitz | in mean 1/6 | Sep 27 15:42 |
| schestowitz | ramp? | Sep 27 15:42 |
| oiaohm | taking off flat you need more speed forwards to get off ground. | Sep 27 15:42 |
| schestowitz | When they reach the end they sort of fall | Sep 27 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Since engines are not supporting weight of aircraft. | Sep 27 15:42 |
| schestowitz | And then get vertical with the engines pushing off the sea | Sep 27 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Australian ones have the russian style ram. | Sep 27 15:42 |
| schestowitz | like a rocket | Sep 27 15:42 |
| oiaohm | ramp | Sep 27 15:42 |
| schestowitz | ramp to make them go vertical? | Sep 27 15:43 |
| schestowitz | like 45 degree angle | Sep 27 15:43 |
| oiaohm | At a angle up. | Sep 27 15:43 |
| oiaohm | between 25 to 30 to flat | Sep 27 15:43 |
| schestowitz | it's more like ballistic takeover | Sep 27 15:43 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Sep 27 15:43 |
| schestowitz | the British plane, harrier IIRC, can take off totally horizontally | Sep 27 15:43 |
| schestowitz | Good for reaching particular places | Sep 27 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Less useful for landings | Sep 27 15:44 |
| oiaohm | But we are not talking harrier fuel eaters here. | Sep 27 15:44 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrier_Jump_Jet | Sep 27 15:44 |
| oiaohm | We are talking stock standard fighter jets. | Sep 27 15:44 |
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| oiaohm | You reduce the run way lenght required to get air born massively if runway is at an angle. | Sep 27 15:44 |
| schestowitz | oh, it can land vetriycally too... | Sep 27 15:45 |
| oiaohm | At the ed. | Sep 27 15:45 |
| oiaohm | ed/end | Sep 27 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Harrier vetrically take off and land is huge volumes of fuel per min. | Sep 27 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Thinking our ships are not nuke class | Sep 27 15:46 |
| oiaohm | We have to be fuel effective as well. | Sep 27 15:46 |
| oiaohm | So we cannot run like a bat out of hell to extend the run way. | Sep 27 15:46 |
| oiaohm | ie lenght of flight deck better be enough alone. | Sep 27 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Or your screwed with australian boats. | Sep 27 15:46 |
| schestowitz | Australia makes good boatds?! | Sep 27 15:50 |
| oiaohm | For what we require at the time yes. | Sep 27 15:52 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the overseas boats like lots of our overseas subs have had there huls redone here for better silent running. | Sep 27 15:53 |
| oiaohm | Ok Australian subs don't exacly do silent running. | Sep 27 15:53 |
| oiaohm | Lets sound like a different make of sub running. | Sep 27 15:53 |
| oiaohm | Yes fun when the Australian dials in russian attack sub in a joint war game operation with the USA by mistake. | Sep 27 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Australian idea someone might hear you trying to silent sneak up on a ship. | Sep 27 15:58 |
| oiaohm | but if they hear you and they think you are friendly they will let you pass. | Sep 27 15:59 |
| schestowitz | interesting stuff | Sep 27 16:03 |
| schestowitz | You seem to know this stuff very thoroughly | Sep 27 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Weapon system is something I much around with. | Sep 27 16:07 |
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