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| MinceR | schestowitz: we have the apple troll on #techbytes | Sep 14 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | when he starts trolling, which he will, he'll probably be booted | Sep 14 16:01 |
| schestowitz | That dunce is very mentally disturbed | Sep 14 16:01 |
| schestowitz | But IMHO, he helps bring more people to the site, oddly enough | Sep 14 16:02 |
| schestowitz | He can't help himself | Sep 14 16:02 |
| MinceR | how? | Sep 14 16:02 |
| schestowitz | How what? He helps the site? | Sep 14 16:11 |
| schestowitz | The trolling is not helping | Sep 14 16:11 |
| schestowitz | But he absorbs people who hate us and then channels them to the site\ | Sep 14 16:12 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't know it's ineffective, the best he could do was to ignore | Sep 14 16:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/NavinChauhan/status/113992028202876928 | Sep 14 16:31 |
| TechrightsSocial | @NavinChauhan: @NavinChauhan @schestowitz Hi Roy , I only got your message re meeting today now. How about I meet you at your place at a convenient time? | Sep 14 16:31 |
| schestowitz | Sat. at 2pm at Town Hall... | Sep 14 16:32 |
| schestowitz | ':/ | Sep 14 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Hard to organise those things | Sep 14 16:32 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I got a new client | Sep 14 16:32 |
| schestowitz | this afternoon | Sep 14 16:32 |
| schestowitz | I've just posted this to COLA: | Sep 14 18:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 14 18:43 |
| schestowitz | The Badgeware/Brandware company known as "Apple" is a major competitor of Linux. GNU/Linux is not just a desktop platform and this forum is not about desktops. either. It is funny to see how anti-Linux trolls who infiltrated this newsgroup somehow act all shocked and surprised that Apple is put down in a forum that compares Linux to other operating systems. Wait, what?!?! How dare it compare!!! Maybe they feel a little | Sep 14 18:43 |
| schestowitz | envious because their little SCO wannabe, Microsoft, does not get as much attention as it used to. Personally, I no longer track Microsoft because it's dying on its own; it doesn't need much of a shove. Microsoft will be like SUN in 5-10 years, only without good products. Apple is a big delusion and it's easy to burst its bubble just with words. Apple is based on PR (and brand value). Eliminate those and all you are left with | Sep 14 18:43 |
| schestowitz | are Foxconn-made imitationsknowckoffs that merely integrate good technology from IBM (hardware), Xerox, etc. | Sep 14 18:43 |
| schestowitz | The English-speaking press likes to boost the "Mac vs PC" delusion because it's good for the US duopoly. The matter of fact is, Asia is rising and it is using Linux. Likewise, Xbox was a loser; the Japanese consoles kick arse, but they don't control English-speaking press. | Sep 14 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Linux makes affordable products; Apple makes expensive marketing. Would one prefer paying for quality and value or just marketing/peer perception? | Sep 14 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Linux got its checkmate in phones some time this year. This is what makes Linux advocacy so much fun and the trolls so utterly pathetic. They've quit bashing Linux; now they just make up libel with which to defame people. Socipaths. | Sep 14 18:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 14 18:43 |
| MinceR | nice summary | Sep 14 19:03 |
| schestowitz | The trolls are angry | Sep 14 19:32 |
| schestowitz | The libellous one | Sep 14 19:32 |
| schestowitz | within minutes they jumped at it | Sep 14 19:32 |
| schestowitz | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/1f91d57f0efa2119# | Sep 14 19:32 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: comp.os.linux.advocacy | Google Groups .::. Size~: 43.16 KB | Sep 14 19:32 |
| schestowitz | This usually means one is on the right topic | Sep 14 19:34 |
| ender_2600 | What is Badgeware/Brandware | Sep 14 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Recently I've emphasised Linux winnings against proprietary s/w in phones and tablets | Sep 14 19:34 |
| schestowitz | They got angry | Sep 14 19:35 |
| ender_2600 | a new name to attack brands? | Sep 14 19:35 |
| schestowitz | where hte product emphasises brand | Sep 14 19:35 |
| schestowitz | "iPhone 5" | Sep 14 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't say much about it | Sep 14 19:35 |
| schestowitz | it's a phone | Sep 14 19:35 |
| schestowitz | wiyh an i | Sep 14 19:35 |
| ender_2600 | 5th generation of iphone? | Sep 14 19:35 |
| schestowitz | And version number | Sep 14 19:35 |
| schestowitz | and people pay more for it | Sep 14 19:35 |
| schestowitz | And it comes in one flavour | Sep 14 19:35 |
| ender_2600 | The FSF is engaging in a brandware campaign against Linux | Sep 14 19:35 |
| schestowitz | One option | Sep 14 19:35 |
| schestowitz | sevral versions | Sep 14 19:36 |
| schestowitz | same with "iPad" | Sep 14 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Very brand-oriented | Sep 14 19:36 |
| schestowitz | And prominent logo | Sep 14 19:36 |
| ender_2600 | trying to force people to add their brandware name to Linux, ie GNU/Linux | Sep 14 19:36 |
| schestowitz | which apparently gives it its value | Sep 14 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Even though Apple is not a manufacturing company | Sep 14 19:36 |
| schestowitz | ender_2600: not the same | Sep 14 19:36 |
| ender_2600 | yes | Sep 14 19:36 |
| schestowitz | It's a very different situation that you describe | Sep 14 19:36 |
| schestowitz | What would be equivalent is Foxconn/Apple | Sep 14 19:36 |
| ender_2600 | you seen to have a problem with companies branding stuff | Sep 14 19:37 |
| schestowitz | If that was to be enforced | Sep 14 19:37 |
| schestowitz | ender_2600: not the branding | Sep 14 19:37 |
| schestowitz | the company's dependence on it | Sep 14 19:37 |
| schestowitz | some companies sell well because of some technical feature | Sep 14 19:37 |
| ender_2600 | they could have called it anything | Sep 14 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Like the reason you'd buy some particular product which is faster/strongest | Sep 14 19:37 |
| ender_2600 | its not because of the 'i' that it sells | Sep 14 19:37 |
| schestowitz | People buy Heinz ketchup because of the brand, too | Sep 14 19:38 |
| schestowitz | And Coke | Sep 14 19:38 |
| schestowitz | They could use another drink | Sep 14 19:38 |
| ender_2600 | I buy Heinz because it tastes better | Sep 14 19:38 |
| schestowitz | But they are subjected to subconscious marketing | Sep 14 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Even in folms | Sep 14 19:38 |
| schestowitz | *films | Sep 14 19:38 |
| ender_2600 | I can taste the difference between Heinz and generic ketchup | Sep 14 19:38 |
| ender_2600 | same with pepsi and coke | Sep 14 19:38 |
| schestowitz | ender_2600: you should do blind tests | Sep 14 19:38 |
| ender_2600 | and other generic colas | Sep 14 19:38 |
| MinceR | ender_2600: so, you think that android and gnu/linux are the same thing, then? | Sep 14 19:38 |
| schestowitz | To see if you can figure out the differece in taste | Sep 14 19:38 |
| schestowitz | and with rpeated attempts | Sep 14 19:38 |
| ender_2600 | I have done blind tests | Sep 14 19:38 |
| schestowitz | to see how often you guess right | Sep 14 19:39 |
| schestowitz | People did those tests with wine | Sep 14 19:39 |
| schestowitz | The very cheap ones fail | Sep 14 19:39 |
| ender_2600 | i've accurately guessed when people have heinz | Sep 14 19:39 |
| schestowitz | But at some level it's hard to discern average from very expensive wine | Sep 14 19:39 |
| ender_2600 | it has a tangier taste to it | Sep 14 19:39 |
| ender_2600 | pepsi has a sweeter taste than coke | Sep 14 19:39 |
| schestowitz | I'm quite susprisied you just insist on disagreeing with me that some people buy iPhone also cause of the brand and they don't caompre like with life - spec-wise- wrt Android | Sep 14 19:39 |
| ender_2600 | I know people who own them and they didn't buy them just because it was Apple, or just because of the brand | Sep 14 19:40 |
| ender_2600 | They wanted the applications on the Apple Store | Sep 14 19:40 |
| schestowitz | which one/s? | Sep 14 19:41 |
| ender_2600 | my gf bought hers because she saw her friends iphone, and she liked the apps | Sep 14 19:41 |
| schestowitz | People I know who buuy iPhone like to say they have this phone | Sep 14 19:41 |
| schestowitz | To them, from what I can gather, it's not the third party apps | Sep 14 19:41 |
| ender_2600 | if you take away the apps, theres nothing else really | Sep 14 19:41 |
| schestowitz | true | Sep 14 19:41 |
| ender_2600 | apps make or break your phone | Sep 14 19:41 |
| schestowitz | but android has many apps too | Sep 14 19:41 |
| schestowitz | many of the same ones | Sep 14 19:42 |
| ender_2600 | yeah and the market place has malware | Sep 14 19:42 |
| schestowitz | that's to just emphasise, I'm not suggesting wp7 is the other option | Sep 14 19:42 |
| schestowitz | or symbian or rim's bb | Sep 14 19:42 |
| ender_2600 | rim's bb is dying | Sep 14 19:42 |
| ender_2600 | they couldnt attract devs, no apps | Sep 14 19:42 |
| schestowitz | they had a strong brand in business | Sep 14 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Ages ago | Sep 14 19:43 |
| schestowitz | 5 years ago | Sep 14 19:43 |
| schestowitz | before iphone | Sep 14 19:43 |
| schestowitz | which is still seen as not so "enterprisy' | Sep 14 19:43 |
| ender_2600 | blackberry had a strong brand for enterprise/corporate and government | Sep 14 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft tris to play the "it runs office" line | Sep 14 19:43 |
| ender_2600 | it still does | Sep 14 19:43 |
| schestowitz | yes, but it has more competition over that criterion | Sep 14 19:43 |
| ender_2600 | if you can't do BES you suck for enterprise | Sep 14 19:44 |
| schestowitz | my friend who still has a bb had his employer choose it | Sep 14 19:44 |
| ender_2600 | exchange isn't good enough | Sep 14 19:44 |
| ender_2600 | my employer chose bb too | Sep 14 19:46 |
| ender_2600 | now we get people calling up all the time asking to switch to iphones | Sep 14 19:46 |
| ender_2600 | or they just do it and get mad when we wont help them | Sep 14 19:47 |
| ender_2600 | but anyways, im not against brands they are harmless imo | Sep 14 19:47 |
| ender_2600 | its the company behind the brand that you need to watch | Sep 14 19:47 |
| ender_2600 | Mozilla treats Firefox badly too IMO | Sep 14 19:48 |
| ender_2600 | Brandware | Sep 14 19:48 |
| schestowitz | yes | Sep 14 19:48 |
| ender_2600 | If you modify it, you need to remove their branding | Sep 14 19:48 |
| schestowitz | mozilla has branding power | Sep 14 19:48 |
| schestowitz | ooo had a strong brand | Sep 14 19:48 |
| ender_2600 | redhat would rather obey mozilla than to go iceweasel | Sep 14 19:48 |
| schestowitz | See how vlc's brand was used by malicious people | Sep 14 19:48 |
| schestowitz | But this is software | Sep 14 19:48 |
| ender_2600 | just because of the brand | Sep 14 19:48 |
| schestowitz | and it's all free to download | Sep 14 19:48 |
| ender_2600 | they dont want to lose users because "firefox" isnt included | Sep 14 19:48 |
| schestowitz | my point was: | Sep 14 19:49 |
| ender_2600 | so mozilla gets to dictate to distros how to package and patch firefox, or they sue you | Sep 14 19:49 |
| schestowitz | not that Apple is "Evil" for ujsing brands | Sep 14 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Rather: | Sep 14 19:49 |
| schestowitz | To tell aple fans that they judge by brands | Sep 14 19:49 |
| schestowitz | And that they need to look beyodn that | Sep 14 19:49 |
| ender_2600 | thats different | Sep 14 19:49 |
| ender_2600 | apple fanboys do judge based on brands | Sep 14 19:49 |
| schestowitz | because apple is a brand, not a dream or a shinny | Sep 14 19:49 |
| ender_2600 | they usually do that on the company name though | Sep 14 19:50 |
| schestowitz | that's because people value the brand's association | Sep 14 19:50 |
| ender_2600 | apple could have called the phone iMasturbateJobs and the apple fanboi's would buy them | Sep 14 19:50 |
| schestowitz | People think if you have an iPhone: | Sep 14 19:50 |
| schestowitz | 1) you have the best one | Sep 14 19:50 |
| schestowitz | 2) you're rich | Sep 14 19:50 |
| schestowitz | 3) you're hip | Sep 14 19:50 |
| schestowitz | etc./ | Sep 14 19:50 |
| schestowitz | So buying an iPhone is buying a status of sots | Sep 14 19:50 |
| schestowitz | And that's just silly | Sep 14 19:50 |
| ender_2600 | 1) the best phone is no phone, or using email or im | Sep 14 19:50 |
| schestowitz | We need to tackle those programming/brainwashing | Sep 14 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Androis i mostly used by males | Sep 14 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Amuybe that has changed | Sep 14 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Maybve the robot, mnaybe aossictation with programmers, I dun't know for sure | Sep 14 19:51 |
| ender_2600 | 2 and 3 is the culture | Sep 14 19:51 |
| schestowitz | yes | Sep 14 19:51 |
| schestowitz | but do you agree with me this is why it succeeds? | Sep 14 19:51 |
| schestowitz | The app store comes later | Sep 14 19:51 |
| ender_2600 | not entirely | Sep 14 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Apple is also seen as the 'anti-Miceosoft | Sep 14 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Not anti-monoopoy | Sep 14 19:52 |
| schestowitz | ly | Sep 14 19:52 |
| schestowitz | or annti-proprietary | Sep 14 19:52 |
| ender_2600 | I don't think the brand of the individual products matters other than 'word of mouth' | Sep 14 19:52 |
| ender_2600 | making it easier to spread the word | Sep 14 19:52 |
| schestowitz | people judge the iphone based on/: | Sep 14 19:52 |
| schestowitz | 1) who they know that has it | Sep 14 19:52 |
| schestowitz | 2) who they see on tv that has it | Sep 14 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Like the Mac vs PC guy | Sep 14 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Appeal to middle age crisis | Sep 14 19:52 |
| schestowitz | "be young, use an iphone" | Sep 14 19:52 |
| schestowitz | some clips have iphone implanted | Sep 14 19:53 |
| ender_2600 | http://xkcd.com/934/ | Sep 14 19:53 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: xkcd: Mac/PC .::. Size~: 8.43 KB | Sep 14 19:53 |
| schestowitz | like jai ho from Pussycat Dolls | Sep 14 19:53 |
| schestowitz | And films too, I reckon | Sep 14 19:53 |
| ender_2600 | honestly im probably not too good at this then cause I stopped watching commercials | Sep 14 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Labeling characters "iphone" users | Sep 14 19:53 |
| schestowitz | ender_2600: it's inside the video | Sep 14 19:53 |
| schestowitz | And films too have those | Sep 14 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Like people saying"I'll have a coke | Sep 14 19:54 |
| ender_2600 | oh yeah for sure but thats obvious | Sep 14 19:54 |
| schestowitz | And then the editors need to ensure no other brands appear in the footage | Sep 14 19:54 |
| schestowitz | it's implanted ads | Sep 14 19:54 |
| ender_2600 | whenever I see brands appear in a movie I know its an ad | Sep 14 19:54 |
| ender_2600 | I Robot was pretty bad | Sep 14 19:54 |
| schestowitz | I don't trust some youtube channels either, they admit doing this sort of triickery | Sep 14 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Arrington frok techcrunch and others (now AOOL) did it with text | Sep 14 19:54 |
| schestowitz | ender_2600: didn't watch that film, I can't stand Will Smith anymore, he's full of himself and rather dumb on some subjects | Sep 14 19:55 |
| ender_2600 | I never considered youtube vids | Sep 14 19:55 |
| ender_2600 | you mean like amatures doing product placements? | Sep 14 19:55 |
| schestowitz | in a way that can be harmful to people who listent to him, too | Sep 14 19:55 |
| schestowitz | ender_2600: either viral videos from marketing companies | Sep 14 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Or people adding words and brands that companies pay them to put in viewrs' minds | Sep 14 19:55 |
| schestowitz | That does happen | Sep 14 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes I mistakenly link to a fake blooper which turns out to have been planted for some marketing purpose | Sep 14 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Like some days ago, a German video with a coupel of kids | Sep 14 19:56 |
| ender_2600 | they're getting smarter | Sep 14 19:56 |
| ender_2600 | the problem with that too for us, is that its very hard to prove they are doing it | Sep 14 19:57 |
| ender_2600 | smoking gun proof | Sep 14 19:57 |
| ender_2600 | privacy laws protect those people | Sep 14 19:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/114051331622318080 | Sep 14 20:03 |
| TechrightsSocial | @schestowitz: Urge the EU Parliament to Stand For #NetNeutrality http://t.co/7z3p4Eg1 #internet #law | Sep 14 20:03 |
| TechrightsSocial | @: | Sep 14 20:03 |
| schestowitz | ender_2600: how so? | Sep 14 20:03 |
| schestowitz | they rely on laws other than privacy ones | Sep 14 20:04 |
| ender_2600 | yeah but the privacy laws protect them from having their income exposed | Sep 14 20:05 |
| ender_2600 | how do you differentiate between someone who normally likes pepsi and drinks it in a video, vs someone being paid to do that | Sep 14 20:06 |
| ender_2600 | if someone boosts product x, how do you differentiate between fanboyism vs being an employee | Sep 14 20:06 |
| ender_2600 | these are tough questions | Sep 14 20:07 |
| ender_2600 | for example I love Nintendo and they don't pay me, i don't mind boosting their stuff | Sep 14 20:09 |
| ender_2600 | if I do, am I going to be accused of being paid by them to do so? | Sep 14 20:09 |
| ender_2600 | how do I defend myself? | Sep 14 20:09 |
| schestowitz | it would help tro have disclosure rules | Sep 14 20:09 |
| schestowitz | hnard to enforce though | Sep 14 20:09 |
| schestowitz | !google ftc blog disclosure | Sep 14 20:09 |
| TechrightsSocial | [1] - Truth in Blogging: New FTC Blog Disclosure Rules - Lawyers.com | http://internet-law.lawyers.com/Truth-in-Blogging-New-FTC-Blog-Disclosure-Rules.html | Sep 14 20:09 |
| TechrightsSocial | [2] - Disclosure Policy Blog | http://blog.disclosurepolicy.org/ | Sep 14 20:09 |
| TechrightsSocial | [3] - FTC Publishes Final Guides Governing Endorsements, Testimonials | http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/10/endortest.shtm | Sep 14 20:09 |
| TechrightsSocial | [4] - Federal Register/Vol. 74, No. 198 ... - Federal Trade Commission | http://www.ftc.gov/os/2009/10/091005endorsementguidesfnnotice.pdf | Sep 14 20:09 |
| ender_2600 | Blog Disclosure works assuming they are in the country that has the law | Sep 14 20:10 |
| ender_2600 | i'm also not sure if that won't restrict what is known as free speech | Sep 14 20:11 |
| schestowitz | LJ helps proprietary fog http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/dropbox-tips-and-tricks?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+linuxjournalcom+%28Linux+Journal+-+The+Original+Magazine+of+the+Linux+Community%29 | Sep 14 20:11 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Dropbox Tips and Tricks | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 51.58 KB | Sep 14 20:12 |
| schestowitz | ender_2600: yes, all known issues | Sep 14 20:12 |
| ender_2600 | lol dropbox | Sep 14 20:12 |
| schestowitz | it's an epidemic really | Sep 14 20:12 |
| ender_2600 | i don't get that hype | Sep 14 20:12 |
| schestowitz | me neither | Sep 14 20:12 |
| schestowitz | innova~1!! | Sep 14 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Can pass stuff around!! | Sep 14 20:12 |
| schestowitz | who woulda' thunk | Sep 14 20:12 |
| ender_2600 | cause nobodys heard of a floppy disk | Sep 14 20:12 |
| ender_2600 | and every advance since | Sep 14 20:12 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Sep 14 20:12 |
| MinceR | i prefer usb flash drives | Sep 14 20:12 |
| MinceR | and sd cards | Sep 14 20:13 |
| ender_2600 | well yes | Sep 14 20:13 |
| ender_2600 | every advance since the floppy | Sep 14 20:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: some are both | Sep 14 20:13 |
| MinceR | i know | Sep 14 20:13 |
| schestowitz | I have a SD reader | Sep 14 20:13 |
| schestowitz | I installed debian from sd card this way | Sep 14 20:13 |
| schestowitz | coin-sized debian :-) | Sep 14 20:13 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 14 20:13 |
| ender_2600 | I find SD is too slow, I prefer USB and USB-HDD | Sep 14 20:13 |
| schestowitz | depends on the file sizes | Sep 14 20:14 |
| ender_2600 | takes my phone like a minute to transfer a 50mb mp3 | Sep 14 20:14 |
| schestowitz | you probably would not back up the hard-drive nightly to an sd card | Sep 14 20:14 |
| MinceR | it also depends on the flash drive | Sep 14 20:15 |
| MinceR | (sd card or usb) | Sep 14 20:15 |
| ender_2600 | yeah some flash drives have old sd speeds too | Sep 14 20:15 |
| ender_2600 | usually the non usb 2.0 ones | Sep 14 20:15 |
| ender_2600 | old stuff | Sep 14 20:15 |
| ender_2600 | I'd like to see some usb 3 stuff | Sep 14 20:16 |
| schestowitz | fun in the sun | Sep 14 20:16 |
| schestowitz | oops | Sep 14 20:16 |
| schestowitz | wrong tab | Sep 14 20:16 |
| ender_2600 | lol | Sep 14 20:16 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 14 20:16 |
| ender_2600 | sun had a video out b ack in the day | Sep 14 20:17 |
| ender_2600 | showing off zfs with flash drives | Sep 14 20:17 |
| schestowitz | is zfs kind of dead in the water now? | Sep 14 20:21 |
| schestowitz | What a shame | Sep 14 20:21 |
| schestowitz | It had patent harassment too | Sep 14 20:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 14 20:21 |
| schestowitz | > Again I ask, why is it when you send photos there is also a file named | Sep 14 20:21 |
| schestowitz | > signature.asc with all a bunch of the pictures from my collection. That is | Sep 14 20:21 |
| schestowitz | > weird! | Sep 14 20:21 |
| schestowitz | It is what enables you to check -- if so you desired-- that it is in fact me sending that message and not an imposter. Some people pretend to be me for malicious purposes. | Sep 14 20:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 14 20:21 |
| schestowitz | People don't use PGP | Sep 14 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Wish they had | Sep 14 20:21 |
| schestowitz | But the IT press won't let it be popularised | Sep 14 20:21 |
| MinceR | it seems that everything sun owned is doomed now | Sep 14 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Would imply it's helping "terrorists" | Sep 14 20:21 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, almost all | Sep 14 20:22 |
| schestowitz | no solaris releases either in a while | Sep 14 20:22 |
| ender_2600 | 16:12 < schestowitz> is zfs kind of dead in the water now? | Sep 14 20:27 |
| ender_2600 | 16:12 < schestowitz> What a shame | Sep 14 20:27 |
| ender_2600 | not at all | Sep 14 20:27 |
| ender_2600 | they just added deduplication | Sep 14 20:27 |
| ender_2600 | there is an active community http://openindiana.org/ | Sep 14 20:28 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: OpenIndiana .::. Size~: 10.36 KB | Sep 14 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Stupid Fox teaches people to pray their way out of cancer and ignore medical advice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG48Gmr12sY&feature=digest_refresh_mon | Sep 14 20:44 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Fox News: "God Heals!" - YouTube .::. Size~: 93 KB | Sep 14 20:44 |
| ender_2600 | the best medical advice on cancer is to kill yourself with radiation or take expensive drugs the rest of your life | Sep 14 20:45 |
| ender_2600 | or use that genetically engineered AIDS | Sep 14 20:45 |
| ender_2600 | LOL | Sep 14 20:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAMlF3KO1vs&feature=channel_video_title | Sep 14 20:55 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Fuck 9/11! Get Over It Already! - YouTube .::. Size~: 105.8 KB | Sep 14 20:55 |
| MinceR | sounds like "Fuck The Millenium!" | Sep 14 20:56 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 14 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | cocktopus has just recommended this channel. It's not too bad.. | Sep 14 21:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlXkjrluq_4 | Sep 14 21:03 |
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| ender_2600 | he kind of has a point but he seems like a redneck | Sep 14 21:04 |
| schestowitz | hmm.. it is a good channel.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms1czsNxDj8 | Sep 14 21:07 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Marijuana Will Ruin Your Life - YouTube .::. Size~: 105.87 KB | Sep 14 21:07 |
| schestowitz | ender_2600: doesn't matter the label.. | Sep 14 21:08 |
| schestowitz | http://torrentfreak.com/newzbin2-release-encrypted-client-to-defeat-website-blocking-110914/ | Sep 14 21:09 |
| TechrightsSocial | @: | Sep 14 21:09 |
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| ender_2600 | i was looking it up and discovered mariuana assists in melatonin production | Sep 14 21:19 |
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| ender_2600 | i was looking it up and discovered mariuana assists in melatonin production | Sep 14 21:19 |
| ender_2600 | so really, it increases lifespan | Sep 14 21:19 |
| ender_2600 | melatonin is anti aging | Sep 14 21:19 |
| schestowitz | LOL: | Sep 14 21:22 |
| schestowitz | > That's a good idea, but I think you made an inadvisable choice of what file | Sep 14 21:23 |
| schestowitz | > to use. There are pictures of my wife and daughter, children, friends...all | Sep 14 21:23 |
| schestowitz | > mixed in with NUDES [...] I suggest you change the signature or do not use it, and I certainly hope | Sep 14 21:23 |
| schestowitz | > you do not send it to anyone else. | Sep 14 21:23 |
| schestowitz | LOL! :-) | Sep 14 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Well, it all depends on how one manages attachments. | Sep 14 21:23 |
| schestowitz | ender_2600: well Sagan got cancer later on | Sep 14 21:23 |
| schestowitz | bone marrow or something | Sep 14 21:23 |
| ender_2600 | http://xkcd.com/938/ | Sep 14 21:23 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: wow, just read the S.V-N piece of crap about the "DNS failure" that brought down Office 3XX | Sep 14 21:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: talk about spin | Sep 14 21:24 |
| MinceR | it's a property of particles | Sep 14 21:25 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 14 21:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | did you read it? saying that it's been a "bad week for DNS" | Sep 14 21:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's like saying it's been a bad week for oxygen because somebody robbed a bank | Sep 14 21:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | hope his cheque doesn't bounce... | Sep 14 21:29 |
| MinceR | i didn't | Sep 14 21:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | don't bother. it was a dreadful piece of tripe. | Sep 14 21:33 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 14 21:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: you could have ripped a few more holes in it, before quoting it. | Sep 14 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft, IIRC, blamed DNS | Sep 14 22:03 |
| schestowitz | and Pogson went along those lines too | Sep 14 22:04 |
| schestowitz | SJVN also has some decent articles | Sep 14 22:04 |
| schestowitz | he made many over the years | Sep 14 22:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | this post is so transparent | Sep 14 22:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | "briefly" | Sep 14 22:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | "bad week for dns" | Sep 14 22:18 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Sep 14 22:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | "some people thought it was a problem with Windows Blah or Windows Blee" | Sep 14 22:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | "but THEY WERE RONG!" | Sep 14 22:18 |
| schestowitz | he runs a networking blog | Sep 14 22:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | "it's that OPEN STANDARDS SYSTEM" | Sep 14 22:18 |
| schestowitz | needed to find some evidence to fit his theme | Sep 14 22:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | well, he should be fired | Sep 14 22:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | this post is incompetence | Sep 14 22:18 |
| schestowitz | naa | Sep 14 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Don't cause his trouble | Sep 14 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Dana got fird | Sep 14 22:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | i'm serious | Sep 14 22:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | this is incompetence | Sep 14 22:18 |
| schestowitz | he was the foss blogger | Sep 14 22:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | somebody paid him off | Sep 14 22:19 |
| schestowitz | they fired him for something he said in the healthcare bkog and couldn't back up | Sep 14 22:19 |
| schestowitz | ender_2600: qfor what? | Sep 14 22:19 |
| schestowitz | To cover up MS mess as DNS issue? | Sep 14 22:19 |
| schestowitz | ask him by email | Sep 14 22:19 |
| schestowitz | "Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols" <sjvn@vna1.com> | Sep 14 22:20 |
| schestowitz | maybe he'll correct the post | Sep 14 22:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | heh | Sep 14 22:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | yeah | Sep 14 22:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | very likely | Sep 14 22:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: this post was written to order. | Sep 14 22:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: billions of $ a year at stake | Sep 14 22:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: a few thou' thrown his way gets this | Sep 14 22:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | or some soft bribe | Sep 14 22:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | an advertising contract | Sep 14 22:21 |
| schestowitz | to help sell proprietary dns? | Sep 14 22:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | no. | Sep 14 22:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | to spin a microsoft failure. | Sep 14 22:22 |
| schestowitz | I know | Sep 14 22:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | you know how it works... | Sep 14 22:22 |
| schestowitz | they got sued | Sep 14 22:22 |
| schestowitz | today I read about it | Sep 14 22:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's got nothign to do with dns | Sep 14 22:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | DNS is the most reliable part of any MS solution :):) | Sep 14 22:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/14/asa_microsoft_cloud_compliant/ | Sep 14 22:22 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: ASA probes Microsoft cloud reliability claims • The Register .::. Size~: 23.6 KB | Sep 14 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft would be able to use coverup stories as defence | Sep 14 22:22 |
| schestowitz | "it's not our fault, it's DNS" | Sep 14 22:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | = this post | Sep 14 22:22 |
| schestowitz | send SJBVN mail | Sep 14 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Ask him why he said it | Sep 14 22:23 |
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