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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Bill Gates is Still Stockpiling Patents Along With Microsoft Friends http://ur1.ca/514ht #europe #us #protectionism #patenttroll | Sep 08 00:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Speaking at Red Hat Forum at One World Hotel PJ at 9am. All about clouds, open source, KVM, Virt, interop and open standards. #fb | Sep 08 00:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Rick Rocket - Linux Gaming! (Shoot-em-up) http://www.mygamecompany.com/Products/RickRocket/main.htm #linux #arcade | Sep 08 00:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] Certificates and "authorities" http://lwn.net/Articles/457713/rss | Sep 08 00:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cablegate: Microsoft and Government of Oman Inseparable http://ur1.ca/514kg #government #oman #cablegate !wikileaks #wlfind | Sep 08 00:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: Microsoft and Government of Oman Inseparable http://ur1.ca/514kg #government #miseast #microsoft #government #cronyism | Sep 08 00:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] be advised that according to the United State Law together with the FBI rules… http://bit.ly/q47wer #email #scam #fbi #fake #warning | Sep 08 00:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] MS Uses Drug Addicts in Ski Lanka to Spread Microsoft, Liaises with American Chamber of Commerce to Change Laws http://ur1.ca/514p3 #wlfind | Sep 08 00:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] #Microsoft Uses Drug Addicts in Ski Lanka to Spread Microsoft, Liaises with American Chamber of Commerce to Change Laws http://ur1.ca/514p3 | Sep 08 00:42 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Cablegate: Microsoft Uses Drug Addicts in Ski Lanka to Spread Microsoft, Liaises with American Chamber of Commerce to Change Laws | Techrights .::. Size~: 91.93 KB | Sep 08 00:42 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Two more cables found to reinforce the latest post, appended at the bottom http://ur1.ca/514p3 #wlfind | Sep 08 00:52 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Cablegate: Microsoft Uses Drug Addicts in Ski Lanka to Spread Microsoft, Liaises with American Chamber of Commerce to Change Laws (Updated) | Techrights .::. Size~: 103 KB | Sep 08 00:52 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cablegate: Microsoft Uses US Diplomats to Pressure Oman to Intimidate Population Using Newspapers http://ur1.ca/51522 #wlfind #oman #bsa | Sep 08 01:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: #Microsoft Uses US Diplomats to Pressure Oman to Intimidate Population Using Newspapers http://ur1.ca/51522 #counterfeiting | Sep 08 01:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @elizabethkarr "England and America are two countries divided by a common language." ~George Bernard Shaw !q | Sep 08 01:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @mgeist: RT @PublishersLunch Project Gutenberg Founder Michael Hart, 64, Dies http://t.co/rOUYHv9 /via @camdocorg / @sarahw | Sep 08 01:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rdv @MMFlint The Republican debate is on at the same time as "Big Brother" and "Criminal Minds." #redundancy | Sep 08 01:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #HTC Sues Apple Using Patents Obtained From Google Last Week http://ur1.ca/5154i #swpats #google | Sep 08 01:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #MichaelMoore: I was the most hated man in America http://gu.com/p/3xm7c | Sep 08 01:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @wayneborean no i didn't. How do you find such a beast? | Sep 08 01:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @thistleweb #MichaelMoore: I was the most hated man in America http://gu.com/p/3xm7c | Sep 08 01:45 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Development-ceases-on-Pinta-Paint-NET-clone-1338384.html | Sep 08 01:45 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/LibreOffice-and-OpenOffice-org-drift-apart-1338511.html | Sep 08 01:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gouki/@gouki] Looking for co-admins for !cryptome !wl and !openleaks - Let me know if you're interested. | Sep 08 01:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @cwebber "I think 'How do i get off this list' in response to a thread is probably better than a Hitler mention." -- @mlinksva | Sep 08 01:55 | |
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| I found where someone spammed the techrights wiki http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GT_Dbeqvj3wJ:techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gall_Bladder_Symptoms_programs_91+site:techrights.org+kidney&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us | Sep 08 02:08 | |
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| very odd | Sep 08 02:08 | |
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| will__ | @schestowitz: Another Mono app is dead. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/development-ceases-open-source-graphics-app-pinta/ | Sep 08 02:15 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] is there something wrong with the #PCProPodcast? EVERY episode when they swap one member for another, it's ALWAYS Nicole who is replaced | Sep 08 02:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] does anyone know of an episode where Nicole is NOT the one to be replaced? #PCProPodcast why do they need to swap people anyway? | Sep 08 02:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] it'd be easy to think of the words "sexism" or "misogynist" when this happens over & over & over. Isn't her opinion valid on hot hardware? | Sep 08 02:33 | |
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| LOL, “[Pinta] is dead because I have no desire to work on it, and I was the only one working on it.” and it was "crashy, very crashy" and tux paint does the job better if you are afraid of gimp | Sep 08 03:11 | |
| who's afraid of gimp? | Sep 08 03:12 | |
| My 10 year old girl has mastered gimp use, including layers and animation. My wife taught her after figuring it out for herself. | Sep 08 03:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] any data on how buggy distros are @ version release? might be interesting | Sep 08 03:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @fontana I dispute patents are property. they're a temporary privilege. property doesn't have an expiration date IMHO | Sep 08 03:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @fontana I say these 6 occurrences are bugs that ought to be fixed ;-) | Sep 08 03:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @trisquel: New (hopefully last) Trisquel 5 alpha images ready. GNOME, KDE and LXDE editions, both i386 and amd64: http://ur1.ca/4qn1e | Sep 08 03:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @tekk spoiled food keeps the same owner, that hopefully chooses to throw it away (giving up ownership) rather than eating it | Sep 08 03:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @fontana IMHO borrowing/lending transfers possession, not ownership. leasing is lending/borrowing with a purchase option, no? | Sep 08 03:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] CentOS-5.7 is now staging for release. ETA on public mirrors ~ 72 to 80 hrs #centos #gnu #linux #redhat #fedora #software | Sep 08 03:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Firefox finally rips off new download manager from OSX Lion's Safari (Lion's only good new feature) http://is.gd/Vp3hwK | Sep 08 03:45 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: New Firefox download manager appears in UX build – Computer Chips & Hardware Technology | Geek.com .::. Size~: 62.27 KB | Sep 08 03:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Lobbying talks, sanity walks http://is.gd/REArWk never underestimate the money in the #copyright industry to ram home self serving laws | Sep 08 03:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Tell @BarackObama to fire #Monsanto lobbyist Michael Taylor from his job as @US_FDA Food Safety Czar. http://bit.ly/ptcpIc | Sep 08 03:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Sarkozy Routes Around Parliament, Ditches Net Neutrality, Forces Copyright Clauses Into All ISP Terms Of Service http://is.gd/MU24hP | Sep 08 04:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] MT @diablo-d3 Tell Pres to fire #Monsanto lobbyist Michael Taylor as @US_FDA Food Safety Czar. http://bit.ly/ptcpIc | Sep 08 04:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Heh. Got the 'official' email from Amazon that my books are now up for sale. | Sep 08 04:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] The #Kochs' Keystone clique exposed http://gu.com/p/3xmaj #superrich | Sep 08 04:25 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Kochs' Keystone clique exposed | Robert Greenwald | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 169.95 KB | Sep 08 04:25 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @piercebooks #Scribd #Free short story - no download needed http://ur1.ca/516cs | Sep 08 05:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @juditrius What future for India’s #Patent Act? Novartis vs. Union of India http://ur1.ca/516cw | Sep 08 05:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @TheRealMolette This is one nice looking car. The Freddy Mercury tribute Lotus. http://ur1.ca/516d8 < go Freddy go... go fast ;) | Sep 08 05:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xtarwars/@xtarwars] !wikileaks i readed this today: Please advise, I am looking for evidence that #FaceBook sold information to dissendents to jail dissenters. | Sep 08 05:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Miniconf announced: Sysadmin Added to Sparkling Array of Miniconfs for linux.conf.au! http://tinyurl.com/3qgz7hk #lca2012 | Sep 08 06:20 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Sysadmin Added to Sparkling Array of Miniconfs for linux.conf.au - linux.conf.au 2012 | 16 - 20 Jan | Under the stars .::. Size~: 18.95 KB | Sep 08 06:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !InconstantMoon Thursday's serialization is published: http://ur1.ca/516mp !selfPub | Sep 08 06:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !Identiverse sweet dreams ... wishing you all Time Zone Appropriate Farewells !tzaf | Sep 08 06:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellog2/@kernellog2] Coming in 3.1 (Part 2) - Storage and filesystems http://t.co/Bz2nB5D #storage #hardware #filesystem #ext3 #ext4 #btrfs #lio | Sep 08 06:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @fontana I understand you're trying to make this point, but that one example wasn't convincing | Sep 08 06:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] tzag identizens. Huzzah! I have lost 12 kilos in a sensible manner. 8 more to go, then I have to get fit :) | Sep 08 06:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] "Banking lobbyists have decriminalised crime" | Sep 08 06:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] W3C Launches New Web Application Security Working Group http://ow.ly/1eB0lr | Sep 08 07:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] RT @warty9: Just a heads up, part of our DNS structure is down. We know about it, it's geodns, we are working on it. #kernelorg | Sep 08 07:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Develop4AppUpEU: Hop on #AppUpelements bus hackathon, now with $10k in prizes http://t.co/xRVd0AB _ml | Sep 08 08:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Develop4AppUp Learn Adobe AIR and Flash best practices for Intel AppUp from Ryan Green @somagames at #AppUpElements. http://t.co/gjNbIkU | Sep 08 08:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @rgunjan: Latest List of Ultrabooks updated with all the new models from IFA http://t.co/tVTXO2u via @ultrabooknews @chippy | Sep 08 08:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: Application – WIP Filebox For #MeeGo #Harmattan http://mge.bz/mj #Nokia #N9 #N950 | Sep 08 08:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #HTC Bites Back Against #Apple, Suing With #Patents it Got From Google - http://dthin.gs/n2YlRt Apple deserves this, but such a waste | Sep 08 08:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: Meshcentral – Remote MeeGo Desktop http://mge.bz/mk #MeeGo #Application | Sep 08 08:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @quimgil: RT @savola: eCoach 1.O now available in Ovi Store!! #n9 #n950 #meego #nokia | Sep 08 08:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: Planning For #Qt Developer Days In Munich / San Francisco http://mge.bz/mm | Sep 08 08:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #LibreOffice and #OpenOffice.org drift apart - http://bit.ly/qxjW7s fascinating watching this fork happen #opensource | Sep 08 08:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] RT @glynmoody #HTC Bites Back Against #Apple, Suing With #Patents it Got From Google - http://dthin.gs/n2YlRt Apple deserves this, but s ... | Sep 08 08:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @Jamie_Weinstein @ChinesePod Huntsman thinks we should make Mandarin a co-official language >>that's bold | Sep 08 08:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] RT @fkarlitschek 10 years ago I started KDE-Look.org. The first openDesktop.org site. #kde #party | Sep 08 08:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @marjoleink: good morning / !tzag dear Laconicats! | Sep 08 08:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] http://theoatmeal.com/comics/senior_year | Sep 08 09:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Economics of Open Data – Mini-Case, Transit Data & Translink - http://bit.ly/pE89GQ excellent analysis of why free makes business sense | Sep 08 09:25 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Economics of Open Data – Mini-Case, Transit Data & Translink | eaves.ca .::. Size~: 43.76 KB | Sep 08 09:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling | Sep 08 09:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #P2P lawyer: IP address not enough, let me search all PCs in the house - http://bit.ly/puXwUy this is where #copyright insanity takes us | Sep 08 09:27 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.photoshoptroll.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/mirror.jpg | Sep 08 09:35 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/9z3/status/111674609287430144 | Sep 08 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @9z3: @schestowitz 911 was a conspiracy whatever way u look at it; the only question is which conspiracy (official, some other, truther, etc.). | Sep 08 09:36 |
| schestowitz | Well, it was organised | Sep 08 09:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] What was achieved during the LibreOffice Hackfest? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest2011#Achievements !libo !tdf | Sep 08 09:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Never happens to me [IMG] http://imgur.com/ASQjc | Sep 08 09:37 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Fantastic_Beats/status/111675870166528000 | Sep 08 09:37 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Fantastic_Beats: @schestowitz #middle finger to #Elop. Well let's hope they will give us another "disruptive device" like the #Nokia #N9, maybe #N10. | Sep 08 09:37 |
| schestowitz | They seem to be turning into a patent aggressor/tax company via MOSAID | Sep 08 09:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @qu1j0t3: MT @diablo-d3 Tell Pres to fire #Monsanto lobbyist Michael Taylor as @US_FDA Food Safety Czar. http://t.co/8e6QHVr | Sep 08 09:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Mall of America visitors unknowingly end up in counterterrorism reports http://ur1.ca/517hf #WarOnTerror | Sep 08 09:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @anivar: #UID project is full of ambiguity, confusion and suspicions http://t.co/ZUoXmL4 | Sep 08 09:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] "Putting rickrolling in #kernel space: Kernelroll is a linux kernel module for advanced rickrolling." http://bit.ly/ncQblH #rickroll #linux | Sep 08 09:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "53.9% of CS graduates who returned for graduate study chose a field other than CS." http://ur1.ca/517iz Bad for those who teach CS. | Sep 08 09:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] Reminder: use Kernelroll on your own risk. Quote from the Readme: "your kernel might crash at a very inappropriate time and cause data loss" | Sep 08 09:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cablegate: Former Microsoft Lawyer Thomas Barnett and Majoras Butt Heads With EU Commission Over Microsoft Case http://ur1.ca/517mn #wlfind | Sep 08 10:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: Former #Microsoft Lawyer #ThomasBarnett and #Majoras Butt Heads With EU Commission Over Microsoft Case http://ur1.ca/517mn #eu | Sep 08 10:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] .@NeelieKroesEU look who was taking about you at FTC/USDOJ http://ur1.ca/517mn !wikileaks | Sep 08 10:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Cablegate: Former Microsoft Lawyer Thomas Barnett and Majoras Butt Heads With EU Commission Over Microsoft Case | Techrights .::. Size~: 94.84 KB | Sep 08 10:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !Miners Just deployed a Minecraft <-> IRC bridge bot called "OldPeculier" in the #sixgun channel. @nybill @psquid @yamanickill | Sep 08 10:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cablegate: Microsoft Uses US Government and Gates Lobbying to Pressure Saudi Arabia to Embrace US-Style Law http://ur1.ca/517qy #saudi !wl | Sep 08 10:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: #Microsoft Uses US Government and Gates Lobbying to Pressure #SaudiArabia to Embrace US-Style Law http://ur1.ca/517qy #wlfind | Sep 08 10:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cablegate: Microsoft Uses BSA Numbers to Call Algerians ‘Pirates’, Pressure for Law Changes http://ur1.ca/517t8 #wlfind #microsoft | Sep 08 10:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: Microsoft Uses BSA Numbers to Call Algerians ‘Pirates’, Pressure for Law Changes http://ur1.ca/517t8 #algeria #cablegate #bsa | Sep 08 10:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Updated post about SA with new cable that shows #Microsoft front groups linking unlicensed Windows with "terrorism" http://ur1.ca/517qy | Sep 08 10:58 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Cablegate: Microsoft Uses BSA Numbers to Call Algerians ‘Pirates’, Pressure for Law Changes | Techrights .::. Size~: 90.99 KB | Sep 08 10:59 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] thx @diegales "Democracy requires Free Software !fs" now in ES "La Democracia necesita Software Libre" http://ur1.ca/517oj !gnu !fsfe | Sep 08 11:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL IS RUBBISH http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/latest/international-football-is-rubbish/ | Sep 08 11:05 | |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/anonlgrisback/statuses/111722151987523584 http://twitter.com/anonlgrisback/statuses/111721803755429888 | Sep 08 11:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @anonlgrisback: @KostasVaxevanis Σου έχω επίσης άλλο (παλιό, αλλά ΧΟΝΤΡΟ) θέμα: http://t.co/mnfeILY | Sep 08 11:07 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @anonlgrisback: Ιανουάριος 2008: Τα ΕΛ ΜΜΕ βγάλανε το ΣΚΑΣΜΟ για το ΠΕΣΚΕΣΙ της ΝΔ στη Microsoft. http://t.co/mnfeILY | Sep 08 11:07 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cablegate: Microsoft deal in Bosnia “marks a huge success for the U.S. Embassy” http://ur1.ca/517wo #kowtowing #cronyism #microsoft | Sep 08 11:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: Microsoft deal in Bosnia “marks a huge success for the U.S. Embassy” http://ur1.ca/517wo #wlfind #cablegate | Sep 08 11:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @syntax: AIT teacher claimed that 'wired networks are now obsolete' today. Wanted to flip tables. | Sep 08 11:10 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/lasconic/status/111742423855665153 | Sep 08 11:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @lasconic: @Schestowitz Econoff = economic officers http://t.co/TR5Oqza | Sep 08 11:18 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Occupy Wall Street will lay siege to U.S. greed http://ur1.ca/517yc unrest. #usriots coming? | Sep 08 11:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Convoluted Rebuttals – Unity: The War Without End? http://ur1.ca/517yg #ubuntu #unity | Sep 08 11:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !KDE Ships September Updates http://ur1.ca/517zr http://ur1.ca/512so 4.7.1 is out | Sep 08 11:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Top 50 best #Linux apps 2011 http://ur1.ca/51801 | Sep 08 11:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] FreeBSD: A Faster Platform For Linux Gaming Than Linux? http://ur1.ca/5125b just a provocative headline for the time being. | Sep 08 11:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] September 2011 issue of The #PCLinuxOS Magazine released http://ur1.ca/51808 | Sep 08 11:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Archbang 2011.09 Released http://ur1.ca/5182r http://ur1.ca/5182t http://ur1.ca/5182u | Sep 08 11:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #LibreOffice and #OpenOffice .org drift apart http://ur1.ca/517ks #odf #opendocument | Sep 08 11:45 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org drift apart - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 39.08 KB | Sep 08 11:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Great Linux Migration: who’s made the move, why, and what’s in store for the future growth of Linux? http://ur1.ca/513d6 #linux | Sep 08 11:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Mainframe #Ubuntu Linux? http://ur1.ca/5182x "Canonical has been working with IBM to get Ubuntu certified on IBM’s high-end System P Power" | Sep 08 11:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mainframe Ubuntu Linux? | ZDNet .::. Size~: 129 KB | Sep 08 11:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Had a good chuckle seeing how pro-Microsoft, anti-Linux lobbyist (Fauxpatents) spins the countersuit against Apple for its aggression. | Sep 08 12:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Michael Hart (1947 - 2011): Prophet of Abundance - http://bit.ly/ntCevz tragic early loss of a great man #projectgutenberg #pd #copyright | Sep 08 12:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The last comment in Kores' post about "hippies" is very misguided. it's not so-called 'IP' that correlates w/ VC http://ur1.ca/510jp | Sep 08 12:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !fsf Fall internship positions are still open—apply today! http://ur1.ca/512mg #freedom #boston | Sep 08 12:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Samsung to acquire !MeeGo , report claims http://ur1.ca/5186l how can something be acquired from @Linuxfoundation ? | Sep 08 12:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Software model and development model are two different things! http://ur1.ca/5187f (Point 1: Think clearly) | Sep 08 12:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] UK govt set to revise own definition of open standards http://ur1.ca/51881 Somehow I can't imagine this will end well | Sep 08 12:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] ♻ @glynmoody: Michael Hart (1947 - 2011): Prophet of Abundance - http://t.co/zm8Q5L1 tragic early loss of a great man #projectgutenberg #pd | Sep 08 12:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft PR has a new lobbying strategy where it's basically inciting #Android partners against Google, even when Google defends them | Sep 08 12:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] No Microsoft partner has ever been betrayed. NONE! | Sep 08 12:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Companies that sign a deal with Microsoft don't speak badly about it. Actually, they hardly speak at all. They vanish. http://ur1.ca/4r2rs | Sep 08 12:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 3M, IBM collaborate on chip stacking http://ur1.ca/518af there has been talks of l-gates in 3-D - might be more capable,ventilation an issue | Sep 08 12:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Client-server model necessitates powerful computers, clients left with lousy phones, no privacy, no control. Centralising authority=bad. | Sep 08 12:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 3M, IBM collaborate on chip stacking - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 55.15 KB | Sep 08 12:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Very More Powerful Linux Smartphones http://ur1.ca/518b3 | Sep 08 12:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] On Wikipedia: #Microsoft Tunisia Scandal http://ur1.ca/518bg watch the photo | Sep 08 12:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Also see: http://ur1.ca/518bj http://ur1.ca/518bk http://ur1.ca/518bn http://ur1.ca/518bo http://ur1.ca/518br http://ur1.ca/518bs #microsoft | Sep 08 12:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The real Apple story is: Samsung are making better hardware than Apple can get from Foxconn | Sep 08 12:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @zotz is leasing without an option to buy any different from plain borrowing? | Sep 08 12:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] funny cause it's true! ♻ @mstepniowski: I've always suspected that! RT @marcink: Exactly http://t.co/JvNU78b | Sep 08 12:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] RT @kirschner Software model and development model are two different things! http://ur1.ca/5187f (Point 1: Think clearly) | Sep 08 12:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Eric Schmidt: Ice Cream Sandwich coming out in October or November http://ur1.ca/518dy #android #linux | Sep 08 12:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I missed this slightly worrying story yesterday http://bit.ly/qEYvAk about how !Google develops !Android at the Register | Sep 08 12:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @zotz I'd say if the iceberg was legitimately owned, so is the melt water; not sure how one'd go about collecting it though | Sep 08 12:43 | |
| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/w96Ax.gif | Sep 08 12:46 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @zotz *nod*. therefore iceberg could hardly be legitimately owned ;-) | Sep 08 12:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Born: yes" [IMG] http://i.imgur.com/7mB1n.jpg | Sep 08 12:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @zotz sorry, not clear; “rent to own” = “lease with option to buy” and “rent without that option” = “lease without that option”? | Sep 08 12:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] HP TouchPad screen can now support Android http://ur1.ca/518g1 Microsoft booster covers #linux | Sep 08 12:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: HP TouchPad screen can now support Android | Digital Media - CNET News .::. Size~: 68.95 KB | Sep 08 12:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @greve ♻ @glynmoody: Michael Hart (1947 - 2011): Prophet of Abundance - http://t.co/zm8Q5L1 tragic early loss of a great man #project ... | Sep 08 13:05 | |
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| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/83102157 | Sep 08 13:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @agentsmith's status on Thursday, 08-Sep-11 11:56:39 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Hahahahahahahaha, that's a good one to piss the pants laughing... | Sep 08 13:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Munich Migration From The User’s Viewpoint http://ur1.ca/518ji "FUD about the Munich Migration being a disaster of some kind is not real." | Sep 08 13:18 | |
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| iophk | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/400113/michael_hart_1947-2011_founder_project_gutenberg/?fp=16&fpid=1 | Sep 08 13:22 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Wow. @sjvn *completely* misses the point about Microsoft sabotaging Yahoo after it couldn't get it. Why blame Yang? http://ur1.ca/518ko | Sep 08 13:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Revisionism time begins. Microsoft hired AstroTurfers (proven) to derail Yahoo-Google deal http://ur1.ca/518kt then started a "proxy fight". | Sep 08 13:25 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MarkJBallard/status/111770379869093889 | Sep 08 13:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @MarkJBallard: Terrorists use pirated software as Microsoft puts Fatwa on file sharers http://t.co/Y1NQ1nD RT @schestowitz |They prolly don't floss either | Sep 08 13:26 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Blaming Yang for Yahoo's fall is like blaming Bill Clinton for the Iraq war. | Sep 08 13:27 | |
| schestowitz | Notice the second cable which shows them pull the MPAA/RIAA trick -- associating illegal sharing with terrorism, drug trafficking | Sep 08 13:27 |
| schestowitz | iophk: yes, yesterday's news | Sep 08 13:28 |
| iophk | Only got it today myself | Sep 08 13:28 |
| schestowitz | iophk: his antitheses will live twice as long | Sep 08 13:28 |
| iophk | which one | Sep 08 13:28 |
| schestowitz | maybe with new kidneys and stuff | Sep 08 13:28 |
| schestowitz | iophk: all of hem | Sep 08 13:28 |
| schestowitz | them | Sep 08 13:28 |
| schestowitz | The borgs | Sep 08 13:29 |
| schestowitz | They'll give us fruity-labelled Foxconn tablets | Sep 08 13:29 |
| schestowitz | and monsanto patent licences | Sep 08 13:29 |
| schestowitz | they're such "magical" people | Sep 08 13:29 |
| iophk | I'm not confident in their new CEO | Sep 08 13:30 |
| schestowitz | Hart gives | Sep 08 13:30 |
| schestowitz | The heartless monoplies make money doing the opposite, restricting stuff that was abundant (book reading now with DRM, seeds and farming now needing a permission from NJ-based monopolist) | Sep 08 13:30 |
| schestowitz | iophk: k00k didn't crash the stock | Sep 08 13:31 |
| schestowitz | I checked an hour ago | Sep 08 13:31 |
| schestowitz | AAPL returned tom post Jobs news level | Sep 08 13:31 |
| schestowitz | Time will tell | Sep 08 13:31 |
| schestowitz | I think ibvestment in Apple is like setting up direct debit to your church | Sep 08 13:31 |
| iophk | The tablets are tied to iTunes store indirectly | Sep 08 13:31 |
| schestowitz | It's belief based, but it doesn't say much about long-term value | Sep 08 13:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @zotz I suggest using same reason why you can't own intl waters | Sep 08 13:32 | |
| iophk | The OS is tied to the App Store, no upgrade to Lion without having and using an Apps Store account | Sep 08 13:32 |
| schestowitz | iophk: but are tablets rreally for 'consuming' 'content'? | Sep 08 13:33 |
| iophk | IMHO the appear to be used for basic surfing | Sep 08 13:33 |
| schestowitz | MeeGo tablets won't need 'stores' | Sep 08 13:33 |
| iophk | games, and occasionally e-mail | Sep 08 13:33 |
| schestowitz | You put your x session on it | Sep 08 13:33 |
| schestowitz | And run your fOSS apps | Sep 08 13:33 |
| schestowitz | thunderbird, chromium, etc. | Sep 08 13:33 |
| iophk | MeeGo was good but has been killed by M$ Nokia on its way out | Sep 08 13:34 |
| schestowitz | maybe it will be 'bough; | Sep 08 13:34 |
| schestowitz | Don't know how it's possible | Sep 08 13:34 |
| iophk | 'bough' ? | Sep 08 13:34 |
| schestowitz | I read about Samsung wanting to 'license' it for proprietary | Sep 08 13:34 |
| schestowitz | And LG did too, months ago, in some ways.. | Sep 08 13:34 |
| schestowitz | iophk: "bought" | Sep 08 13:35 |
| iophk | ok | Sep 08 13:35 |
| iophk | If it is bought it might have a chance. | Sep 08 13:35 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20102807-94/samsung-interested-in-meego-report-says/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20" rel="nofollow http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/MeeGo-rumored-to-go-to-Samsung/?kc=rss | Sep 08 13:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Samsung interested in Meego, report says | Wireless - CNET News .::. Size~: 66.91 KB | Sep 08 13:35 |
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| schestowitz | webOS can be bought | Sep 08 13:35 |
| schestowitz | but meego is owned by LinuxFoundation | Sep 08 13:35 |
| iophk | But it looks like M$ Nokia is trying to kill it and would not sell it | Sep 08 13:35 |
| schestowitz | So maybe it can be collaborated on | Sep 08 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Nokia alterego Elop | Sep 08 13:36 |
| schestowitz | Not sure if Nokia won't be sscraped off the sidewalk when he leaves in 2012 | Sep 08 13:36 |
| schestowitz | they gave the patents to MOSAID | Sep 08 13:36 |
| schestowitz | To attack Android | Sep 08 13:36 |
| schestowitz | And their EP7 crap won't sell | Sep 08 13:36 |
| schestowitz | They'll have a Sun Moment | Sep 08 13:36 |
| iophk | Proxy / sock puppets both | Sep 08 13:36 |
| iophk | Except that Sun was good | Sep 08 13:36 |
| schestowitz | Nokia was too | Sep 08 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Also at later stages | Sep 08 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Nokia is still good | Sep 08 13:37 |
| schestowitz | but it's killing good products | Sep 08 13:37 |
| iophk | Not any more, it's dead | Sep 08 13:37 |
| schestowitz | And choosing to experiment with products that don't exist yet | Sep 08 13:37 |
| schestowitz | WP7 is not ready for NOK | Sep 08 13:37 |
| schestowitz | It's crap | Sep 08 13:37 |
| schestowitz | And Nokia won't take it yet | Sep 08 13:37 |
| schestowitz | So now it's bathing in its own blood | Sep 08 13:37 |
| iophk | Vista7 is not ready for the desktop either but it's out there too | Sep 08 13:38 |
| schestowitz | And invstors take their money and leave | Sep 08 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Maybe a new Finnish company will absorb the talent Elop poured gasoline over | Sep 08 13:38 |
| iophk | Nokia got rid of its core already, now it's just a reseller/distributor for M$ | Sep 08 13:38 |
| schestowitz | iophk: but Vista 7 has OEM support | Sep 08 13:38 |
| schestowitz | WP7 has carrier ridicule | Sep 08 13:38 |
| iophk | Yes. | Sep 08 13:39 |
| schestowitz | It both has "Windows" in it, but very differrent products | Sep 08 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Windows=ISVs | Sep 08 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Apps | Sep 08 13:39 |
| schestowitz | WP7=no apps | Sep 08 13:39 |
| schestowitz | not ISVs, nothing.. | Sep 08 13:39 |
| schestowitz | wasteland of an OS, like WeboS or worse | Sep 08 13:39 |
| iophk | Nokia will die trying to promote WP7 | Sep 08 13:39 |
| schestowitz | webOS was not even cobalt-like or PalmOS compatible AFAIK | Sep 08 13:39 |
| schestowitz | So they lose diehard Palm fans | Sep 08 13:40 |
| iophk | It did not make sense for HP to drop WebOS | Sep 08 13:40 |
| schestowitz | nokia won't have budgfet to promote wp7 | Sep 08 13:40 |
| schestowitz | What will they show? Rectangles and squares with Florian in them? | Sep 08 13:40 |
| schestowitz | iOS and Android are a league of their own | Sep 08 13:40 |
| iophk | Nokia will cannibalize if it has to in order to fund WP7 while Elop is there | Sep 08 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Elop won't be there | Sep 08 13:41 |
| schestowitz | !google elop elave 2012 | Sep 08 13:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - RUMOURS: Eldar Murtazin reckons Stephen Elop will resign in the ... | http://mynokiablog.com/2011/05/02/rumours-eldar-murtazin-reckons-stephen-elop-will-resign-in-the-end-of-2012-short-term-ceo/ | Sep 08 13:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Stephen Elop is Indeed a Short Term CEO for Nokia | http://www.techknots.com/mobiles/stephen-elop-is-indeed-a-short-term-ceo-for-nokia/ | Sep 08 13:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - WELCOME TO NOKIA, MR ELOP | http://graphics.thomsonreuters.com/F/09/NokiaSR.pdf | Sep 08 13:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Stephen Elop To Resign In Late 2012 | http://www.efytimes.com/e1/fullnews.asp%3Fedid%3D62368 | Sep 08 13:41 |
| schestowitz | !google elop resign 2012 | Sep 08 13:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - RUMOURS: Eldar Murtazin reckons Stephen Elop will resign in the ... | http://mynokiablog.com/2011/05/02/rumours-eldar-murtazin-reckons-stephen-elop-will-resign-in-the-end-of-2012-short-term-ceo/ | Sep 08 13:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The Full Interview with Nokias Stephen Elop | http://forum.dailymobile.se/index.php%3Ftopic%3D50545.0 | Sep 08 13:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Stephen Elop To Resign In Late 2012 | http://www.efytimes.com/e1/fullnews.asp%3Fedid%3D62368 | Sep 08 13:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Nokia Chairman Ollila Will Resign In 2012 | paidContent | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-nokia-chairman-ollila-prepares-will-resign-in-2012/ | Sep 08 13:41 |
| iophk | He was only brought in to kill off the company? | Sep 08 13:41 |
| schestowitz | He's there just to give ballmer the car keys | Sep 08 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Bellouzo was the same | Sep 08 13:41 |
| schestowitz | No | Sep 08 13:42 |
| schestowitz | To pass the patents to Microsoft's troll | Sep 08 13:42 |
| schestowitz | MOSAID | Sep 08 13:42 |
| schestowitz | To raise the cost of Android | Sep 08 13:42 |
| schestowitz | with Apple getting patent peace | Sep 08 13:42 |
| iophk | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=belluzzo | Sep 08 13:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Urban Dictionary: belluzzo .::. Size~: 20.72 KB | Sep 08 13:42 |
| schestowitz | And then to help promote the idea that WP7 has merit | Sep 08 13:42 |
| schestowitz | and that it will -- as they hope -- be cheaper than Android | Sep 08 13:42 |
| schestowitz | That's what KeithB told me | Sep 08 13:43 |
| iophk | So he's killed the company and turned it into being and working with patent trolls | Sep 08 13:43 |
| schestowitz | They would like Android to cost $50 or more | Sep 08 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Patent fee | Sep 08 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Some phones here cost that much (hardware) | Sep 08 13:43 |
| schestowitz | PAYG | Sep 08 13:43 |
| iophk | M$ probably makes more from Android already than it does from VistaPhone7 | Sep 08 13:43 |
| schestowitz | it does | Sep 08 13:44 |
| schestowitz | !google microsoft makes more money from android | Sep 08 13:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Did You Know Microsoft Makes Five Times More Money From ... | http://gizmodo.com/5806227/did-you-know-microsoft-makes-five-times-more-money-from-android-than-from-windows-phone | Sep 08 13:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Analyst: Microsoft Makes More Money from Android Than from ... | http://www.geekosystem.com/microsoft-more-money-android-windows-phone/ | Sep 08 13:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Microsoft makes more money from Android than Windows Phone ... | http://androidandme.com/2011/08/news/microsoft-makes-more-money-from-android-than-windows-phone/ | Sep 08 13:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft makes more money from Android than Windows Phones ... | http://9to5google.com/2011/08/04/microsoft-makes-more-money-from-android-than-windows-phones-claims-google-said-no-to-joint-bid-on-novell-patents/ | Sep 08 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Welcome to the universe where patents exist | Sep 08 13:44 |
| schestowitz | What mine is mine, what yours is mine, too | Sep 08 13:44 |
| schestowitz | "Now f* off" | Sep 08 13:44 |
| iophk | and people wonder why the economy is stagnant. SW patents are stifling growth and innovation. | Sep 08 13:45 |
| schestowitz | "You Linux users just keep whining and never RESPECTING my IP!!!" | Sep 08 13:45 |
| schestowitz | !google elop it's about patents | Sep 08 13:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Stephen Elop - Fortune Tech: Technology blogs, news and analysis ... | http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/tag/stephen-elop/ | Sep 08 13:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft's Nokia 'Deal' is More Like a Takeover, Patents Pose a ... | http://techrights.org/2011/02/11/elop-pours-gasoline/ | Sep 08 13:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Apple pays Nokia: Elop wins the patent war | Electricpig | http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2011/06/14/apple-pays-nokia-elop-wins-the-patent-war/ | Sep 08 13:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Nokia CEO Stephen Elop on Choosing Between Android, Windows ... | http://allthingsd.com/20110210/exclusive-nokias-stephen-elop-talks-about-how-he-made-his-big-os-decision/ | Sep 08 13:46 |
| iophk | The goal appear to harass and raise the end cost of Android, not to actually try to compete or anything like that. | Sep 08 13:47 |
| schestowitz | http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/4d55266accd1d5c33a150000/elop-ballmer-nokia.png | Sep 08 13:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | Sep 08 13:47 |
| schestowitz | iophk: yes | Sep 08 13:47 |
| iophk | gross picture | Sep 08 13:47 |
| schestowitz | raise costs from the outside | Sep 08 13:47 |
| schestowitz | problem is, android is killing linux rivals | Sep 08 13:47 |
| schestowitz | like meego, limo/lips, webos | Sep 08 13:47 |
| schestowitz | And now we have one single point that Microsoftr wants ro crush | Sep 08 13:48 |
| schestowitz | They even have lobbyists assigned to it | Sep 08 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Like Florian | Sep 08 13:48 |
| iophk | Did HP get chicken and drop WebOS in fear of getting attacked with SW patents? | Sep 08 13:48 |
| schestowitz | and former staff like lawyers | Sep 08 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Hammering on Android | Sep 08 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Florian's news lies are trying to alienate Android partners | Sep 08 13:48 |
| schestowitz | This guy is disgusting | Sep 08 13:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] New event added to our resources: Creative Commons Global Summit 2011, Sept 16-18, 2011 | http://ow.ly/6oGhG #opensource #cc | Sep 08 13:48 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Conferences and Events | opensource.com .::. Size~: 19.15 KB | Sep 08 13:48 |
| schestowitz | He'd spam journalists now to generate ugly headlines | Sep 08 13:48 |
| schestowitz | he already does | Sep 08 13:48 |
| schestowitz | I saw a few | Sep 08 13:49 |
| iophk | He's a shill, most people know it. | Sep 08 13:49 |
| iophk | Few what? | Sep 08 13:49 |
| schestowitz | [13:48] <iophk> Did HP get chicken and drop WebOS in fear of getting attacked with SW patents? | Sep 08 13:49 |
| schestowitz | From Apple, yes | Sep 08 13:49 |
| schestowitz | I think I covered it | Sep 08 13:49 |
| schestowitz | I also found out some Hurd stuff about it | Sep 08 13:49 |
| schestowitz | Where they talk about patents from Apple | Sep 08 13:49 |
| schestowitz | And the origin of development | Sep 08 13:49 |
| schestowitz | Apple's Cook (now CEO) made the threatds | Sep 08 13:49 |
| schestowitz | *threats | Sep 08 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Cook and Ballmer cooking lawsuits | Sep 08 13:50 |
| schestowitz | [13:49] <iophk> Few what? | Sep 08 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Headlines | Sep 08 13:50 |
| schestowitz | tryint to claim that Google is plotting to screw partners | Sep 08 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Creatign a rift | Sep 08 13:50 |
| schestowitz | It's the trolls' favourite tactic | Sep 08 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Dividing united allies | Sep 08 13:50 |
| iophk | ok, but most journalists have him figured out. Why there are a few that play along with him I do not know | Sep 08 13:50 |
| schestowitz | they too are Android-hostile | Sep 08 13:51 |
| schestowitz | People like Todd Bishop, Russoff, Goldman | Sep 08 13:51 |
| schestowitz | !google goldman bribe to smear google | Sep 08 13:51 |
| iophk | that would explain it, but why? Android is a good system. | Sep 08 13:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Facebook busted paying a PR firm to bribe bloggers to smear Google | http://9to5google.com/2011/05/12/facebook-busted-paying-a-pr-firm-to-bribe-bloggers-to-smear-google/ | Sep 08 13:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - News Reporters Bribed to Spread Google FUD | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/05/11/jim-goldman-propaganda/ | Sep 08 13:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Ex-Goldman Banker Behind WSJ 'Smear Campaign' Against ... | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/17/ex-goldman-banker-smear-elizabeth-warren_n_837185.html | Sep 08 13:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - The PR Hacks Behind Facebook's Google Smear | http://learningboosters.blogspot.com/2011/05/pr-hacks-behind-facebooks-google-smear.html | Sep 08 13:51 |
| schestowitz | florian is just organising some taliking points | Sep 08 13:52 |
| schestowitz | He makes it look indepdnent | Sep 08 13:52 |
| schestowitz | When I complained about IBM PR agents Floirian recated as though it was dine | Sep 08 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Saying it's OK to be fed by PR people | Sep 08 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Which led me to assuming he gets guidance from Mcirosoft PR | Sep 08 13:52 |
| iophk | Probably does | Sep 08 13:53 |
| schestowitz | "Here, Florian, bang on this drum now, the pevious FUD has been exhausted" | Sep 08 13:53 |
| schestowitz | He's like a Creationist who keeps spewing new FUD on the floor | Sep 08 13:53 |
| iophk | FUD is never exhausted, it gets re-used every 18 months or less | Sep 08 13:53 |
| schestowitz | And waiting for you to clean up, then moves on to the next lie | Sep 08 13:53 |
| schestowitz | iophk: that too | Sep 08 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Theyn reused copyright/GPL stuff recently | Sep 08 13:54 |
| schestowitz | !google brian foes android gpl | Sep 08 13:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Android foes still beating GPL non-compliance drum | ITworld | http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wireless/193751/android-foes-still-beating-gpl-non-compliance-drum | Sep 08 13:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Android: Sued by Microsoft, not by Linux | ITworld | http://www.itworld.com/open-source/140916/android-sued-microsoft-not-linux | Sep 08 13:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Techmeme: Android foes still beating GPL non-compliance drum ... | http://www.techmeme.com/110816/p17 | Sep 08 13:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Android FAQ - Android Wiki | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php%3Ftitle%3DAndroid_FAQ | Sep 08 13:54 |
| schestowitz | see [1] | Sep 08 13:54 |
| schestowitz | They are back to oldeer FUD | Sep 08 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Florian and the ex-MS lawyer | Sep 08 13:54 |
| iophk | again and again | Sep 08 13:54 |
| schestowitz | circle jerk | Sep 08 13:54 |
| schestowitz | !google again and again bird bee | Sep 08 13:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - the bird and the bee - Again & Again - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DTMy6X5cQul8 | Sep 08 13:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Apple Mac Music Video - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D6kxDxLAjkO8 | Sep 08 13:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - SongMeanings | Lyrics | Bird and the Bee, The - Again & Again | http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/3530822107858644972/ | Sep 08 13:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - The Bird and the Bee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bird_and_the_Bee | Sep 08 13:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/slashdot/status/111771607286034432 | Sep 08 13:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @slashdot: After Firing CEO, Yahoo Puts Itself Up For Sale http://t.co/DOSrg5h | Sep 08 13:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Sep 08 13:56 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Sep 08 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft got what it needed | Sep 08 13:56 |
| schestowitz | No need to bid anymore | Sep 08 13:56 |
| schestowitz | the proxy route took longer but gave bing what it needed, and failed nontheless | Sep 08 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Even after scraping Google SERPs | Sep 08 13:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/111778981216399360 | Sep 08 13:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @agente_smithe: @schestowitz Btw, Bartz was given the boot. Just learned it. | Sep 08 13:57 |
| schestowitz | She did her assignment. Ballmer got the car keys from her. Bartz is like Elop to Microsoft. The rest of company --> ashtray/carcass. | Sep 08 13:58 |
| iophk | It was Icahn that did the most damage at Yahoo! | Sep 08 14:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Shard View at Night Panorama - http://bit.ly/q7LLDR wow: amazing high-resolution pic of #london from on high | Sep 08 14:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Yahoo's deal with Microsoft really paid off! /sarcasm (Yahoo gave Microsoft its market, now blows the rest) | Sep 08 14:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Back in the days we had 3 search engines (one scraping Google by spying on IE users). Microsoft was kind enough to remove options. Success! | Sep 08 14:00 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Shard View at Night Panorama | London Photographer .::. Size~: 14.73 KB | Sep 08 14:00 |
| iophk | Icahn also brought in more M$ moles | Sep 08 14:01 |
| schestowitz | iophk: he worked for Microsoft interests | Sep 08 14:02 |
| schestowitz | raiding | Sep 08 14:02 |
| schestowitz | pressuring to throw out yang | Sep 08 14:02 |
| schestowitz | It's possible he also wanted Microsoft+Apple toi take MMoto patents on the cheap | Sep 08 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Google quickly put a big lump of money on the table and won the bid | Sep 08 14:03 |
| schestowitz | But I don't know for sure | Sep 08 14:03 |
| schestowitz | That's a theory I read abou8t | Sep 08 14:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] morning !identiverse | Sep 08 14:03 | |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/MarkJBallard/status/111780940057022464?iid=am-193306946213154856277027082&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208 | Sep 08 14:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a tweet? | Sep 08 14:04 |
| schestowitz | This journalist ,may help us broaden the reach of cablegate stuff | Sep 08 14:04 |
| schestowitz | "Yes, saw that. I've been looking at some more of your extraordinary work too. In relation to Gartner. I'm looking at their... " | Sep 08 14:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] that's beautiful @psquid | Sep 08 14:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Top Entrepreneurs Warn Congress: PROTECT IP Will Stifle Innovation & Hurt Job Growth - http://bit.ly/nlO7wY useful | Sep 08 14:05 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Top Entrepreneurs Warn Congress: PROTECT IP Will Stifle Innovation & Hurt Job Growth | Techdirt .::. Size~: 46.43 KB | Sep 08 14:05 |
| schestowitz | "...(Oops! Thought that was a message) their €multi-million contract with the EC. Do you know what the money pays for? " | Sep 08 14:05 |
| schestowitz | The thing to watch is the sort of leak from years ago: http://www.stefanoforenza.com/the-eu-parliament-still-sticks-with-microsoft-heres-why/ http://techrights.org/2009/05/18/gartner-group-vs-eu-linux/ | Sep 08 14:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The EU Parliament still sticks with Microsoft. Here’s why. .::. Size~: 59.09 KB | Sep 08 14:07 |
| -christel-[Global Notice] Hi all, as previously promised today will be the day where the network goes up in flames... I mean, where we carry out some upgrades to the ircd. I'm about to kill off a number of servers and the affected user count is ~8K! Hopefully this won't take long but I suggest you brace for impact.. | Sep 08 14:07 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Unleashes the Gartner Group to Sabotage Migration to GNU/Linux in Europe | Techrights .::. Size~: 123.75 KB | Sep 08 14:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !tzag @neptune78 :) | Sep 08 14:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @psquid http://i.imgur.com/1knse.jpg #turtles | Sep 08 14:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Webcast recap and recording: MIT OpenCourseWare's past and future | http://ow.ly/6oDdp | Sep 08 14:13 | |
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| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/83100987 | Sep 08 14:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 08-Sep-11 11:40:54 UTC - Identi.ca: What Intel does with Wind River http://ur1.ca/518ek #intel #fail | Sep 08 14:14 |
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| iophk | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Wind-River-Hypervisor-13/?kc=rss | Sep 08 14:15 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] < waiting for contractor... will he show? Neither of 1st two called returned msg left on answering machine ... maybe the recession is over? | Sep 08 14:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Microsoft signs #Android patent deals with Acer and ViewSonic - http://tnw.co/rnXn1f more fool them# | Sep 08 14:17 | |
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| iophk | M$ using patents to fight Android's superior technology and market share | Sep 08 14:18 |
| schestowitz | It's their last resort | Sep 08 14:19 |
| schestowitz | Nothing else has worked | Sep 08 14:19 |
| schestowitz | But MOSAID also sued Red Hat recently | Sep 08 14:19 |
| schestowitz | I covered that | Sep 08 14:19 |
| schestowitz | Then Groklaw covered it | Sep 08 14:19 |
| schestowitz | Then Microsoft said it was involved in giving Nokia's 2000 or so patents o MOSAID | Sep 08 14:20 |
| schestowitz | MOSAiD, a pettnt trolls, said explicitly it would use them to extort/sue | Sep 08 14:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #NI asked tech firm to delete emails '11 times' http://gu.com/p/3xmd3 - #NOTW's definition of "cooperating with the Police" | Sep 08 14:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @fontana I understand property = ownership = material possession and control over some physical good until it is sold or given away | Sep 08 14:20 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Phone hacking: NI asked tech firm to delete emails '11 times' | Media | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 95.37 KB | Sep 08 14:20 |
| schestowitz | Where are antitrust regulators? | Sep 08 14:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft misuses European companies | Sep 08 14:20 |
| schestowitz | To wage wars against a project of a student from Helsinki | Sep 08 14:21 |
| schestowitz | The EU COmmision should just ban Microsoft, not Android tablets | Sep 08 14:21 |
| schestowitz | And ban devices with the fruity logo on them | Sep 08 14:21 |
| schestowitz | They're abusing their market position | Sep 08 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Duopoly | Sep 08 14:21 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #AndyCoulson refuses to give more evidence to MPs' phone-hacking inquiry http://gu.com/p/3xm63 nuff said | Sep 08 14:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Press freedom fears as police question #Guardian reporter http://gu.com/p/3xm9h what is the Guardians stance on leaks? #Wikileaks | Sep 08 14:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Andy Coulson refuses to give more evidence to MPs' phone-hacking inquiry | Lisa O'Carroll | Media | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 99.15 KB | Sep 08 14:23 |
| schestowitz | anti-android lobbyists so confident of their distrotions and lies that they feel the need to close their blogs against corrective comments | Sep 08 14:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Press freedom fears as police question Guardian reporter | Media | The Guardian .::. Size~: 99.37 KB | Sep 08 14:23 |
| schestowitz | and won't reply to critics in twitter because that makes the critics visible | Sep 08 14:24 |
| schestowitz | So they use identica and private emails :-) | Sep 08 14:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/83108361 | Sep 08 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @agentsmith's status on Thursday, 08-Sep-11 13:12:26 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz We all knew beforehand that was not going to end well. Now, Yahoo's last chance is to try to sell to Baidu. | Sep 08 14:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Inside a $59 Billion Heist: World’s Software Pirates - http://bit.ly/ni8vpj more #BSA tripe; here are the facts - http://bit.ly/lDq9fs | Sep 08 14:25 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Inside a $59 Billion Heist: The Contradictory Opinions and Behaviors of the World’s Software Pirates | BSA TechPost .::. Size~: 37.94 KB | Sep 08 14:25 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Michael Hart, founder of Project Gutenberg, has died (H): http://bit.ly/pWA52w | Sep 08 14:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Running a month behind schedule, FreeBSD 9.0 gets a second beta (H): http://bit.ly/nvyHNd | Sep 08 14:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Michael Hart, founder of Project Gutenberg, has died - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 39.01 KB | Sep 08 14:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: FreeBSD 9.0 gets a second beta - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 37.9 KB | Sep 08 14:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @fredmanglis #Zeus #patents fire; sues #Prometheus, and gets his liver :P well not really http://nd.gd/wb cc @eebrah @nj3ma #greekMyt ... | Sep 08 14:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Lessons On The Copyright Monopoly From Greek Mythology - Falkvinge on Infopolicy .::. Size~: 227.74 KB | Sep 08 14:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Switch to Moodle ongoing this academic year http://ur1.ca/518u2 #moodle and #foss give the Microsoft-backed Blackboard a lesson | Sep 08 14:30 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Pendulum - Switch to Moodle ongoing this academic year .::. Size~: 12.85 KB | Sep 08 14:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Pro-Microsoft lobbyists are so full of themselves that they shut down critical/corrective comments and respond to critics in secrecy/aside | Sep 08 14:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Skype: Microsoft's $8.5 billion identity tool • The Register http://bit.ly/nG9xxV | Sep 08 14:32 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Skype: Microsoft's $8.5 billion identity tool • The Register .::. Size~: 27.45 KB | Sep 08 14:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Any journalists yet buying the bogus 'story' of Google stabbing Android partners in the back? Is the spin/spam not convincing enough yet? | Sep 08 14:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft signs Acer, Viewsonic in Android patent deal (Microsoft): http://bit.ly/q81ldL http://bit.ly/nzPjyB | Sep 08 14:35 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft and Acer Sign Patent License Agreement: Agreement will cover Acer’s Android tablets and smartphones. .::. Size~: 43.12 KB | Sep 08 14:35 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @joabj Skype: Microsoft's $8.5 billion identity tool • The Register http://bit.ly/nG9xxV << vocal rectal examination, now w/ PATRIOT ACT | Sep 08 14:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft knows what you did last summer. | Sep 08 14:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New Microsoft extortion http://bit.ly/q81ldL http://bit.ly/nzPjyB | Sep 08 14:37 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Skype: Microsoft's $8.5 billion identity tool • The Register .::. Size~: 27.45 KB | Sep 08 14:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft and Acer Sign Patent License Agreement: Agreement will cover Acer’s Android tablets and smartphones. .::. Size~: 43.12 KB | Sep 08 14:37 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft cannot compete, so it uses its own gangster @horaciog to turn #linux into its own cash cow. US diplomats help by changing laws. | Sep 08 14:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Bringing Hyper-V to “Windows 8” (Building Windows 8 blog): http://bit.ly/mZubxj | Sep 08 14:40 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bringing Hyper-V to “Windows 8” - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs .::. Size~: 73.53 KB | Sep 08 14:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] In coming #cablegate cables we are going to expose corrupt law-making and imposition of hostile laws that @harciog uses for extortion. | Sep 08 14:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] One person "asserting our IP" is another man's "Terrorism". Just "legalising" a war does not make it just. | Sep 08 14:45 | |
| schestowitz | Wow. watch the "summary:" in http://www.directionsmag.com/articles/what-to-expect-at-foss4g-2011/197868 | Sep 08 14:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: What to Expect at FOSS4G 2011 - Directions Magazine .::. Size~: 53.89 KB | Sep 08 14:48 |
| schestowitz | UIt's exeactly the same style as the one I came up with. ZDNet recently did the same | Sep 08 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Glaringly similar layout | Sep 08 14:48 |
| schestowitz | ____/ chrisv on Thursday 08 Sep 2011 14:18 : \____ | Sep 08 14:49 |
| schestowitz | > Carol Bartz, the Yahoo CEO who engineered the deal that turned its | Sep 08 14:49 |
| schestowitz | > search operations over to Micro$oft, has been fired. | Sep 08 14:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 08 14:49 |
| schestowitz | > The partnership with Microsoft, under which Microsoft handles search | Sep 08 14:49 |
| schestowitz | > for Yahoos websites and keeps a portion of ad revenue, "appears to | Sep 08 14:49 |
| schestowitz | > favour the software company at Yahoos expense." | Sep 08 14:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 08 14:49 |
| schestowitz | > What do people think, when they make a deal with the devil? | Sep 08 14:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 08 14:49 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.euronews.net/2011/09/07/yahoo-boss-bartz-fired-with-a-phone-call/ | Sep 08 14:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Yahoo boss Bartz fired with a phone call | euronews, corporate .::. Size~: 61.19 KB | Sep 08 14:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz ♻ @joabj Skype: Microsoft's $8.5 billion identity tool • The Register http://bit.ly/nG9xxV << vocal rectal examination, ... | Sep 08 14:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @Coadec We're hiring! Policy & Development Manager for @Coadec - London, United Kingdom #jobs bit.ly/o9xTKH. | Sep 08 14:50 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Skype: Microsoft's $8.5 billion identity tool • The Register .::. Size~: 27.45 KB | Sep 08 14:50 |
| -christel-[Global Notice] Hi again, that was pretty painfree and she burnt like a phoenix and arose from the ashes. Installment number two is coming to a screen near you on Monday; this time I'll be upgrading hubbard, roddenberry, asimov, verne, stross and gibson. Thank you for using freenode and have a great day! | Sep 08 14:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #RedHat : #Java now on firm path for the cloud http://ur1.ca/518yv | Sep 08 14:52 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Red Hat: Java now on firm path for the cloud - Open Source Insider .::. Size~: 29.57 KB | Sep 08 14:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Given that the US government lobbies for pro-Microsoft (et al.) laws, it would be foolish to ask this government to raid MS over extortion. | Sep 08 14:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind."~Dr. Seuss !q /via @gogorach | Sep 08 14:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The solution must come from governments that are strong enough to have their own spine, probably the EU ones. But Microsoft infiltrated EC. | Sep 08 14:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft: Linux is illegal. Govt: it's not. <Microsoft goes lobby for new laws> Microsoft: Linux is illegal. Govt: Right. Tell ITC to ban. | Sep 08 14:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] New event added to our resources: Open Government Data Camp, October 20-21, 2011 | http://ow.ly/6oGrb #opensource #odg | Sep 08 14:55 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Conferences and Events | opensource.com .::. Size~: 19.14 KB | Sep 08 14:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Which Linux Distro Leads the Pack? http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Which-Linux-Distro-Leads-the-Pack-73240.html #linux | Sep 08 14:57 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux News: Community: Which Linux Distro Leads the Pack? .::. Size~: 60.52 KB | Sep 08 14:57 |
| iophk | "within the next year, all gov departments would have a mandatory requirement to demonstrate they had fairly evaluated an open source vendor for any new software procurement." | Sep 08 14:59 |
| iophk | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/08/government_open_standards_open_source/ | Sep 08 14:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: UK.gov works on YET ANOTHER open-source push • The Register .::. Size~: 29.85 KB | Sep 08 14:59 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "...gov departments would have a mandatory requirement to demonstrate they had fairly evaluated an open source.." http://ur1.ca/51881 | Sep 08 15:00 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: UK.gov works on YET ANOTHER open-source push • The Register .::. Size~: 29.85 KB | Sep 08 15:00 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/83111579 | Sep 08 15:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Srinivas V (srini)'s status on Thursday, 08-Sep-11 13:55:16 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz they entr the ethereal state | Sep 08 15:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @piawaugh It has been a *long* time since I installed ubuntu from scratch. I am seriously impressed. 11.04 is *beautiful* to install | Sep 08 15:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @yareckon Blogs that use discus to host their comments are so not worth it. Don't want yet another login following me around the int ... | Sep 08 15:03 | |
| iophk | "That plan made it clear that suppliers would be required to provide evidence that open source-based technology had been considered during procurement." | Sep 08 15:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today." ~James Dean !q | Sep 08 15:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Spy Who Tweeted Me: Intelligence Community Wants to Monitor Social Media http://ur1.ca/51912 #spying #surveillance | Sep 08 15:05 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Spy Who Tweeted Me: Intelligence Community Wants to Monitor Social Media | Danger Room | Wired.com .::. Size~: 54.32 KB | Sep 08 15:05 |
| schestowitz | funny as I was about to make a post about it | Sep 08 15:05 |
| schestowitz | we're very much affected by this type of corruption | Sep 08 15:05 |
| schestowitz | getting govt. deals is hard | Sep 08 15:05 |
| schestowitz | ripe for corruption | Sep 08 15:05 |
| schestowitz | primed to back room deals and bribery of sorts | Sep 08 15:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @newsbrooke The lunacy of allowing public bodies to copyright official documents. (via @FOIMonkey) bit.ly/pq6cxg >>important precedent | Sep 08 15:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Unlike Microsoft, Apple has not updated Mac OS to block all SSL certificates issued by DigiNotar. http://tinyurl.com/3tbl82y | Sep 08 15:07 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Researcher raps Apple for not blocking stolen SSL certificates - Computerworld .::. Size~: 130.02 KB | Sep 08 15:07 |
| schestowitz | I'm staring to think that individuality and indpeendence are major threats to a state | Sep 08 15:07 |
| schestowitz | As in, they don't like people who stand up for state values | Sep 08 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Only followers, oe "Sheep" as some call them | Sep 08 15:07 |
| schestowitz | And there's a correlation between that and those who choose heavy exposure to mass media | Sep 08 15:08 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people who are spied on are merely people who value personal freedom | Sep 08 15:08 |
| schestowitz | And thus they need to be intimidated or daemonised | Sep 08 15:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Acer and ViewSonic agree to Microsoft patent licensing deal http://tinyurl.com/3fxvsty Ugh. | Sep 08 15:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Arrington out at AOL, for real this time (Fortune): http://bit.ly/nfFDY7 | Sep 08 15:08 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Acer and ViewSonic agree to Microsoft patent licensing deal - SlashGear .::. Size~: 49.74 KB | Sep 08 15:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Arrington out at AOL (for real this time) - The Term Sheet: Fortune's deals blog Term Sheet .::. Size~: 60.47 KB | Sep 08 15:08 |
| iophk | http://forms.theregister.co.uk/studies/201109-cit/ | Sep 08 15:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Big Reg Consumerisation Survey .::. Size~: 50.51 KB | Sep 08 15:11 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/83112542 | Sep 08 15:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Jose R Rodriguez (metztli)'s status on Thursday, 08-Sep-11 14:07:27 UTC - Identi.ca: ♺ @schestowitz #RedHat : #Java now on firm path for the #cloud http://ur1.ca/518yv our focus at Red Hat is on advancing Java EE7 & Java SE8 | Sep 08 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | iophk: I don't trust them much | Sep 08 15:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] What's with this #MAFIAAFire Redirector addon in !Icecat since last update from PPA? !Trisquel | Sep 08 15:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] .@noyesk "agree" is the wrong term. When agreeing in this context it's more like "shopkeeper agreed to pay the mafia" | Sep 08 15:12 | |
| schestowitz | They used to attract FOSS people | Sep 08 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Like their OOo surveys showed | Sep 08 15:12 |
| schestowitz | But they alienated many such people, I reckon | Sep 08 15:12 |
| iophk | schestowitz:: The Register? | Sep 08 15:12 |
| schestowitz | They found a new audience, or non (like Slashdot) | Sep 08 15:12 |
| schestowitz | yus! | Sep 08 15:12 |
| MinceR | 161821 < schestowitz> I'm staring to think that individuality and indpeendence are major threats to a state | Sep 08 15:12 |
| MinceR | another argument against statism :> | Sep 08 15:12 |
| iophk | They used to be pro-FOSS years ago | Sep 08 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Let the Microdrones fill out those surveys | Sep 08 15:13 |
| schestowitz | !google microsogt rigging polls linux java | Sep 08 15:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - .Net vote rigging illustrates importance of Web services | IT Strategy ... | http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/it-strategy/2002/01/09/net-vote-rigging-illustrates-importance-of-web-services-2102244/ | Sep 08 15:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft releases Java-to-C# conversion tool | http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss%3Fthread_id%3D11727 | Sep 08 15:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Novell's Mono in Microsoft's Clouds | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2008/08/07/mono-in-clouds/ | Sep 08 15:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Telstra busted rigging user surveys - Communications - News ... | http://www.zdnet.com.au/telstra-busted-rigging-user-surveys-120263157.htm | Sep 08 15:13 |
| schestowitz | LOL, see [1] | Sep 08 15:13 |
| schestowitz | The conclusion is, not that it illudtrates Microsoft corruption | Sep 08 15:13 |
| schestowitz | But that it has to try hard :-) | Sep 08 15:13 |
| schestowitz | ZD... | Sep 08 15:13 |
| schestowitz | ha | Sep 08 15:13 |
| schestowitz | TR did a post about this too | Sep 08 15:14 |
| iophk | M$ has been ballot stuffing for years and years | Sep 08 15:14 |
| schestowitz | They also rigged Linux surveys/polls | Sep 08 15:14 |
| schestowitz | and push-polling too | Sep 08 15:14 |
| iophk | The Register survey has no mention of Linux, not even Ubuntu | Sep 08 15:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: polar or outsider groups are a threat to it | Sep 08 15:15 |
| schestowitz | They must all work as one | Sep 08 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Football, mainstream TV shows | Sep 08 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Easier to organise a collective | Sep 08 15:15 |
| schestowitz | e.g. for wars | Sep 08 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Harder to go faction by faction to recruit under a common cause, or a flag | Sep 08 15:15 |
| schestowitz | iophk: what's LUNIX? | Sep 08 15:15 |
| *koolhead17 (~koolhead1@76.73.16.26) has joined #techrights | Sep 08 15:16 | |
| schestowitz | Mac vs PC | Sep 08 15:16 |
| schestowitz | The Reg hardly covers Linux anymore | Sep 08 15:16 |
| koolhead17 | hey | Sep 08 15:16 |
| schestowitz | it plays along with the consensus that Linux needs to be ignored | Sep 08 15:16 |
| MinceR | hay | Sep 08 15:16 |
| schestowitz | The Reg "Respects IP" now | Sep 08 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft crossed out in the commandments "mother" and "father", outting "IPR" and "monopoly" in instead :-) | Sep 08 15:17 |
| ender_2600 | 10:59 < schestowitz> And thus they need to be intimidated or daemonised | Sep 08 15:17 |
| schestowitz | *putting | Sep 08 15:17 |
| ender_2600 | I hope nobody turns me into a process | Sep 08 15:17 |
| schestowitz | ps aux | grep brandon | Sep 08 15:18 |
| schestowitz | killall -9 pid=$brandon | Sep 08 15:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] BT software engineer tells how the telco is using open source http://tinyurl.com/3lxxabu #opensource | Sep 08 15:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] New Blog post: "UBERG33K" The next song collection in the makes http://bit.ly/qGZVUo #freemusic #cc-by-sa | Sep 08 15:18 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bt software engineer tells how the telco is using open source- The Inquirer .::. Size~: 60.7 KB | Sep 08 15:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: osg33x: ÜBERG33K: New Song Collection. .::. Size~: 44.92 KB | Sep 08 15:18 |
| schestowitz | ender_2600: http://ur1.ca/51912 | Sep 08 15:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Spy Who Tweeted Me: Intelligence Community Wants to Monitor Social Media | Danger Room | Wired.com .::. Size~: 54.32 KB | Sep 08 15:19 |
| schestowitz | ender_2600: start tweeting about Scrubs and American Idol or be "suicided" :-) | Sep 08 15:20 |
| ender_2600 | I've known about this for a while | Sep 08 15:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Open source software – Competitiveness through collaboration http://www.independent.com.mt/news.asp?newsitemid=131737 #opensource | Sep 08 15:20 | |
| ender_2600 | LOL | Sep 08 15:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Listening to a cassette of Pink Floyd at Montreal, 7/6/77 Absolutely awesome jamming | Sep 08 15:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] The National Security Agency is moving to open source a secure database technology, Accumulo http://tinyurl.com/3d7s43hc #opensource | Sep 08 15:20 | |
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| schestowitz | "Everybody! [put someyting here] Act normal!!" | Sep 08 15:20 |
| ender_2600 | I actually think we should act along the lines of the spook emacs command | Sep 08 15:21 |
| ender_2600 | Just add all sorts of keywords the guberment hates seeing | Sep 08 15:21 |
| ender_2600 | ill probably attract attention when I put the echelon keywords up on my site soon. | Sep 08 15:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @nixiepixel "You know you're an engineer if you have no life and can prove it mathematically." | Sep 08 15:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Open source accounting software Gnuaccounting enters round 0.8.0 http://tinyurl.com/3clqzrx #opensource | Sep 08 15:22 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: openPR.com - Press release - usegroup - Open source accounting software Gnuaccounting enters round 0.8.0 .::. Size~: 53.38 KB | Sep 08 15:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Android port for HP TouchPad making progress http://tinyurl.com/3tkbq7b | Sep 08 15:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @fredmanglis #Zeus #patents fire; sues #Prometheus, and gets his liver :P well not really http://nd.gd/wb cc @eebrah @nj3ma #greekMyt ... | Sep 08 15:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Android port for HP TouchPad making progress - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 39.44 KB | Sep 08 15:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Lessons On The Copyright Monopoly From Greek Mythology - Falkvinge on Infopolicy .::. Size~: 227.74 KB | Sep 08 15:23 |
| ender_2600 | "You know you're an engineer if you have no life and can prove it mathematically." | Sep 08 15:25 |
| ender_2600 | nice | Sep 08 15:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Oh, here we go.Microsoft booster and liar Matt Rosoff (from Directions in Microsoft) is parroting to pro-Microrsoft lobbying w/ anti-Android | Sep 08 15:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft has its own cult implanted inside the press. | Sep 08 15:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org drift apart http://tinyurl.com/3nxmg92 | Sep 08 15:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The war of FUD and extortion against Android and Linux goes up a gear.Will publications learn to expel Microsoft lobbyists from their ranks? | Sep 08 15:25 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org drift apart - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 39.13 KB | Sep 08 15:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Check the background of those seeding anti-Google hatred. Microsoft got caught several times hiring PR agents to bribe reporters for it. | Sep 08 15:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Swiss government unblocks open source court software release http://tinyurl.com/3tdg6sc | Sep 08 15:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Swiss government unblocks open source court software release - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 38.95 KB | Sep 08 15:27 |
| ender_2600 | 11:16 -TRIdentica:#techrights- [schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft has its own cult implanted inside the press. | Sep 08 15:29 |
| iophk | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Michael-Hart-founder-of-Project-Gutenberg-has-died-1339145.html | Sep 08 15:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Michael Hart, founder of Project Gutenberg, has died - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 38.88 KB | Sep 08 15:29 |
| ender_2600 | Interesting theory | Sep 08 15:29 |
| ender_2600 | It's implications would imply that any journalist who has a preference is a paid agent. | Sep 08 15:29 |
| schestowitz | He is no good journalist | Sep 08 15:31 |
| schestowitz | If there is an ingrained preference | Sep 08 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Like a Mac fan | Sep 08 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Some Linux journalists are like that too | Sep 08 15:31 |
| schestowitz | And they try toi hide it | Sep 08 15:31 |
| ender_2600 | A mac fan might not be paid by Apple | Sep 08 15:31 |
| ender_2600 | A Linux journalist might not be paid by FSF | Sep 08 15:31 |
| schestowitz | in techrights we don't pretend, people know we favourn Linux | Sep 08 15:31 |
| ender_2600 | yet, anyone who likes Microsoft must be funded by them | Sep 08 15:32 |
| schestowitz | no | Sep 08 15:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] It is always comical to see how journalists try to portray themselves as unbiased&professional despite a vendetta.Microsoft Jack an example. | Sep 08 15:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Perhaps the most accurate journalism comes when the reporter is honest because there is no assumption of outside audience: #cablegate | Sep 08 15:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Think PCs are on death's door? Think again http://tinyurl.com/3ct4rbl | Sep 08 15:32 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Olive: Think PCs are on death's door? Think again - thestar.com .::. Size~: 92.21 KB | Sep 08 15:32 |
| schestowitz | that's what *you* say | Sep 08 15:32 |
| ender_2600 | using the logic that is apparent in your theories | Sep 08 15:32 |
| ender_2600 | or do you have evidence? | Sep 08 15:32 |
| schestowitz | for what? | Sep 08 15:33 |
| schestowitz | What claim did I make? | Sep 08 15:33 |
| ender_2600 | I asked the journalist who wrote about the first article to expose that Microsoft funds journalist preferences and he isn't sure that they still do it. | Sep 08 15:33 |
| schestowitz | You allude to ,mythical ones | Sep 08 15:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Android 4.0 coming out in October/November http://tinyurl.com/3ppcna9 #android #mobile | Sep 08 15:33 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ice Cream Sandwich Set To Launch In October Or November, Says Eric Schmidt .::. Size~: 153.63 KB | Sep 08 15:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sjvn/status/111802824945438720 | Sep 08 15:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @sjvn: @schestowitz Why Yang? Because Yahoo was bleeding money like a stuck pig.. Bartz had no choice but to take a far worst version of the deal. | Sep 08 15:33 |
| ender_2600 | Your premise is that nobody can like Microsoft without being paid to | Sep 08 15:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/noyesk/status/111804609147838465 | Sep 08 15:34 |
| ender_2600 | im not talking about this recent journalist | Sep 08 15:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @noyesk: @schestowitz Yes, exactly. Perfect comparison, really. | Sep 08 15:34 |
| schestowitz | '"agree" is the wrong term. When agreeing in this context it's more like "shopkeeper agreed to pay the mafia"' | Sep 08 15:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/henry_gilbert/status/111806200672288769 | Sep 08 15:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @henry_gilbert: Any Link? RT @schestowitz M$: Linux is illegal. Govt: it's not. <M$ lobby for new laws> M$: Linux is illegal. Govt: Right. Tell ITC to ban | Sep 08 15:34 |
| schestowitz | [15:33] <ender_2600> Your premise is that nobody can like Microsoft without being paid to | Sep 08 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Where did I say it? | Sep 08 15:35 |
| ender_2600 | not this again | Sep 08 15:35 |
| schestowitz | You assume premises | Sep 08 15:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz #RedHat : #Java now on firm path for the cloud http://ur1.ca/518yv | Sep 08 15:35 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Red Hat: Java now on firm path for the cloud - Open Source Insider .::. Size~: 29.57 KB | Sep 08 15:35 |
| ender_2600 | thats the message you send to people | Sep 08 15:35 |
| schestowitz | ender_2600: your premise is that humans are reptoid aliens :-) | Sep 08 15:35 |
| ender_2600 | thats msb_'s premise | Sep 08 15:35 |
| schestowitz | (which is wrong BTW) | Sep 08 15:35 |
| ender_2600 | reptoid aliens are misinfo | Sep 08 15:35 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Sep 08 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Sep 08 15:36 |
| schestowitz | I soemtimes wonder how much of it is injected | Sep 08 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Like.. | Sep 08 15:36 |
| schestowitz | I heard from a friend about good forums | Sep 08 15:36 |
| schestowitz | About exploration of secret socieities | Sep 08 15:36 |
| schestowitz | And they got infiltrated | Sep 08 15:36 |
| schestowitz | By people who would spew junk into them | Sep 08 15:36 |
| schestowitz | To dilute facts | Sep 08 15:36 |
| schestowitz | And to discedit the forums | Sep 08 15:36 |
| schestowitz | That too exists | Sep 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | And we have proof of PR agents trying to do this, and offering services like these | Sep 08 15:37 |
| ender_2600 | why the subject change? | Sep 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Rather intimidating when you come to think of it | Sep 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | ender_2600: why was the subject changed? | Sep 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | You spoke about Microsoft theory | Sep 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | That I did not hold | Sep 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | [15:33] <ender_2600> Your premise is that nobody can like Microsoft without being paid to | Sep 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | I gave an analogy | Sep 08 15:38 |
| ender_2600 | if im wrong, how do you get your facts about microsoft agents being journalists | Sep 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Painting a forum as containing a consensus about repotid alients | Sep 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | To pollute it | Sep 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | ender_2600: Matt Russof? | Sep 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | !google microsoft directions Matt Russof | Sep 08 15:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @gijs Calling all parliaments: Italian Parliament offers an open source ePub maker for ebooks #osor http://ur1.ca/518sv | Sep 08 15:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: June 16th, 2011 | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/irc-log-techrights-16062011.html | Sep 08 15:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Vix - Barry Bonds Was Doing This For The Kids | http://www.vix.dk/b/38351 | Sep 08 15:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: IT: Open source e-book tool reduces paper waste at Italian parliament — .::. Size~: 31.81 KB | Sep 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | !google microsoft directions Matt Rossuf | Sep 08 15:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Honor roll of ... - Response: The Seattle Pacific University Magazine | http://www.spu.edu/depts/uc/response/autumn2k3/honorroll.html | Sep 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Can't spell it.. | Sep 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | anyway. he used to work for Microsoft | Sep 08 15:39 |
| schestowitz | With Microsoft | Sep 08 15:39 |
| schestowitz | And then he became a pretend 'journo' | Sep 08 15:39 |
| ender_2600 | maybe he did because he likes them a lot? | Sep 08 15:39 |
| schestowitz | There are others likle him | Sep 08 15:39 |
| schestowitz | That does not imply that ANY journalists is like that | Sep 08 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Just that there are some to watch out for | Sep 08 15:39 |
| ender_2600 | the kind of person who would work at microsoft would probably boost them later on too | Sep 08 15:39 |
| schestowitz | And we know who they ar | Sep 08 15:39 |
| schestowitz | somtimes it'sthe opposte | Sep 08 15:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Shiny new #db railway ticket machines are nice. But three minutes to buy one super simple ticket? C'mon. #railfail | Sep 08 15:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @fontana (a) yeah, no sense in owning when possession is impossible; (b) can be terminated voluntarily, or perhaps taken by force | Sep 08 15:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @fontana I'm curious, though; what's the standard US legal def, and how long has it been that way? | Sep 08 15:40 | |
| schestowitz | Someone boosting Microsoft, then getting a job there, knowing it would be the path into a salary | Sep 08 15:40 |
| ender_2600 | depending on the job and the environment | Sep 08 15:40 |
| schestowitz | !Google peter okelly microsoft | Sep 08 15:40 |
| ender_2600 | if they hated working there they probably wouldnt boost them later on | Sep 08 15:40 |
| schestowitz | gGoogle peter okelly microsoft | Sep 08 15:40 |
| ender_2600 | example | Sep 08 15:40 |
| schestowitz | !google peter okelly microsoft | Sep 08 15:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Peter O'Kelly's Reality Check: Personal update: I am now a Microsoft ... | http://pbokelly.blogspot.com/2009/01/personal-update-i-am-now-microsoft.html | Sep 08 15:40 |
| ender_2600 | Canada Computers | Sep 08 15:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Peter O'Kelly | Microsoft as a Superplatform Contender | http://itc.conversationsnetwork.org/shows/detail683.html | Sep 08 15:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Foreword by Peter O'Kelly (Microsoft Consulting Services) - Michael ... | http://www.michaelsampson.net/sharepointroadmap-foreword.html | Sep 08 15:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Attack ODF, Get a Job at Microsoft | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2009/01/07/peter-okelly-ooxml-payday/ | Sep 08 15:40 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Sep 08 15:40 |
| ender_2600 | I love shopping @ Canada Computers, cheap prices and good parts. | Sep 08 15:40 |
| schestowitz | [1] is funny | Sep 08 15:41 |
| schestowitz | I never notieced it | Sep 08 15:41 |
| ender_2600 | However | Sep 08 15:41 |
| schestowitz | see [4] | Sep 08 15:41 |
| ender_2600 | Working there was hell and made me hate the place | Sep 08 15:41 |
| schestowitz | gives background | Sep 08 15:41 |
| ender_2600 | I heard Microsoft has very nice working conditions, free snacks and soda, etc | Sep 08 15:41 |
| ender_2600 | I doubt you would leave there hating the place | Sep 08 15:42 |
| ender_2600 | would a microsoft payrolled journalist be illegal? | Sep 08 15:43 |
| MinceR | if you don't mind making some of the shoddiest products | Sep 08 15:43 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Sep 08 15:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] On my way to Vigo (ES) for talk on #swpat tomorrow. No, I didn't set up the current quagmire just for examples. | Sep 08 15:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !dbd ♻ @mairin: house along morning commute has trooper outside every day, today saw a trooper in a biohazard suit standing in the driveway | Sep 08 15:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] I've installed 7 brand new #CentOS 6 production servers today, on #Intel blades #gnu #linux #microsoft #foss | Sep 08 15:43 | |
| MinceR | and knowing that the only reason they sell is that your employer uses anticompetitive practices | Sep 08 15:43 |
| schestowitz | fre snacks and sado | Sep 08 15:43 |
| schestowitz | How much does that cost? | Sep 08 15:43 |
| ender_2600 | windows is a very shoddy product, and people love it still | Sep 08 15:43 |
| schestowitz | I herad of towels too | Sep 08 15:43 |
| ender_2600 | crazy people but anyways | Sep 08 15:44 |
| MinceR | idiots love it | Sep 08 15:44 |
| MinceR | IT professionals hate it | Sep 08 15:44 |
| ender_2600 | some do | Sep 08 15:44 |
| ender_2600 | some love it | Sep 08 15:44 |
| schestowitz | the CEO assumes that sweat profusely | Sep 08 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Well, maybe they do... with sociopaths over their shoulder | Sep 08 15:44 |
| ender_2600 | I have a number of friends who are IT professionals and they label me crazy, im the minority | Sep 08 15:44 |
| ender_2600 | for liking linux | Sep 08 15:44 |
| MinceR | producing useless crap doesn't motivate everyone, regardless of the amount of free snacks and soda | Sep 08 15:44 |
| schestowitz | [15:43] <ender_2600> would a microsoft payrolled journalist be illegal? | Sep 08 15:45 |
| schestowitz | ethics and legality are not the same | Sep 08 15:45 |
| schestowitz | nor orthogonal | Sep 08 15:45 |
| MinceR | ender_2600: perhaps they're incompetent | Sep 08 15:45 |
| schestowitz | laws change all the time | Sep 08 15:45 |
| ender_2600 | mincer - perhaps they just have different preferences | Sep 08 15:45 |
| schestowitz | moral compass comes first | Sep 08 15:45 |
| MinceR | ender_2600: the preferences of competent people are based on facts | Sep 08 15:45 |
| ender_2600 | i dont accuse anyone of working for gnome when they are boosted | Sep 08 15:46 |
| schestowitz | I know people closely.. who work for proprietary s/w companies | Sep 08 15:46 |
| MinceR | ender_2600: i don't see where that came from | Sep 08 15:46 |
| ender_2600 | my point is, that simply liking something or giving something positive press doesn't mean they are paid to do so | Sep 08 15:46 |
| schestowitz | They don't like their jobs | Sep 08 15:46 |
| schestowitz | ender_2600: right | Sep 08 15:46 |
| ender_2600 | if I recommend a product from Canada Computers, they aren't paying me to do that | Sep 08 15:47 |
| ender_2600 | even though I used to work there | Sep 08 15:47 |
| iophk | http://techrights.org/2008/11/19/waggener-edstrom-bribe/ | Sep 08 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | In the same vein, just because Fred likes his job doesn't mean seashells are rectangles | Sep 08 15:47 |
| ender_2600 | proof is what distinguishes fact from slander | Sep 08 15:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Just realised http://ur1.ca/519ac is nice as background for identi.ca/twitter for !fsfe fellows | Sep 08 15:48 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | Sep 08 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Slander is not the opposite of fact | Sep 08 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Just as grey is not the inverse of white | Sep 08 15:49 |
| schestowitz | The inverse is grey, tooo | Sep 08 15:49 |
| ender_2600 | well, you get sued for slander when you state something about someone which isn't true | Sep 08 15:49 |
| MinceR | so, now law is the basis of logic? | Sep 08 15:50 |
| schestowitz | the opposite of fact is now lawsuit, either | Sep 08 15:50 |
| ender_2600 | you need proof, or you can't defend | Sep 08 15:50 |
| schestowitz | nor vice versa | Sep 08 15:50 |
| ender_2600 | or you just rely on the person never finding out you're trash talking them | Sep 08 15:50 |
| schestowitz | there are always reasonable doubt | Sep 08 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Can you state there is one single universe? | Sep 08 15:50 |
| MinceR | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Axiom | Sep 08 15:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden | Sep 08 15:50 |
| schestowitz | if so, what evidence? | Sep 08 15:50 |
| MinceR | let's not confuse logic with law | Sep 08 15:51 |
| ender_2600 | I need proof that these people are being paid by Microsoft | Sep 08 15:51 |
| schestowitz | How do you know your keyboard has 100+ keys? | Sep 08 15:51 |
| schestowitz | Did you count them? | Sep 08 15:51 |
| ender_2600 | otherwise, i'd just be a nutty zealot with a tin foil hat | Sep 08 15:51 |
| schestowitz | Did you flip it over? | Sep 08 15:51 |
| schestowitz | gravity too is a theory | Sep 08 15:51 |
| ender_2600 | well as long as you state this stuff as a 'theory' you'd be ok | Sep 08 15:52 |
| ender_2600 | it doesnt read that way though | Sep 08 15:52 |
| schestowitz | many posts contain allegations with many weak bits of evidence. Sometimes it's all you have, just don't state it is 100% definitely true, leave room for doubt | Sep 08 15:52 |
| ender_2600 | right | Sep 08 15:52 |
| schestowitz | [15:51] <ender_2600> otherwise, i'd just be a nutty zealot with a tin foil hat | Sep 08 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Too late ;-) | Sep 08 15:52 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Sep 08 15:52 |
| ender_2600 | when I work with weak evidence, im told im wrong by you guys | Sep 08 15:52 |
| ender_2600 | why can you do it | Sep 08 15:53 |
| MinceR | you work with evidence? | Sep 08 15:53 |
| ender_2600 | see | Sep 08 15:53 |
| schestowitz | cause we have a debate about the subject | Sep 08 15:53 |
| schestowitz | And then we bring contrary evidence | Sep 08 15:53 |
| ender_2600 | I think his bias comes from having worked at microsoft with enjoyment (from his perspective) | Sep 08 15:53 |
| schestowitz | radiometric dating is a fraud...a nd I know this cause there's this site that sez so.. :-0 | Sep 08 15:53 |
| ender_2600 | thats a problem a lot of people run into | Sep 08 15:54 |
| ender_2600 | believing everything they read | Sep 08 15:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #BSA secret agenda: open source saves the world - http://bit.ly/qmxuUr oh, well played, sir! | Sep 08 15:55 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BSA secret agenda: open source saves the world | ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 49.89 KB | Sep 08 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Even in DailyFail | Sep 08 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Or other Murdoch rags | Sep 08 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Iraq has weapons to hit with thermonuclear the UK within 40 mins :-) | Sep 08 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, "official" sources | Sep 08 15:57 |
| ender_2600 | did you check out the official sources directly | Sep 08 15:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] The penguins have invaded! http://bit.ly/reo7PE (several times, as it turns out) | Sep 08 15:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @trashbird1240: RT @nixiepixel "You know you're an engineer if you have no life and can prove it mathematically." | Sep 08 15:58 | |
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| ender_2600 | from what I remember the US was blaming the UK's faulty info for its invasion | Sep 08 15:59 |
| ender_2600 | it wouldnt be surprising to have UK newspapers spreading the same faulty info if that were true | Sep 08 16:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Art 404 gallery in NY presents $5 million in torrent files as art (Wired): http://bit.ly/qFXyjl | Sep 08 16:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The social psychology of Burning Man (Scientific American): http://bit.ly/p9qwTe | Sep 08 16:02 | |
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| schestowitz | [15:58] <ender_2600> did you check out the official sources directly | Sep 08 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Cablegate hadn't happened yet | Sep 08 16:03 |
| schestowitz | "I vos exclooooooooded !!" | Sep 08 16:03 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @fontana even though that's far too broad, it doesn't cover non-things, such as ideas and expressions thereof :-) | Sep 08 16:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @yareckon Blogs that use discus to host their comments are so not worth it. Don't want yet another login following me around the int ... | Sep 08 16:03 | |
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| schestowitz | he baconator is here! | Sep 08 16:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @laurelrusswurm "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind."~Dr. Seu ... | Sep 08 16:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @fontana it follows from your def that, if you have a state-recognized right to visit a public park or square, you own it ;-) | Sep 08 16:05 | |
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| ender_2600 | did the cables show that there was a conspiracy to go into iraq? | Sep 08 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | They're mostly post 2001 | Sep 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Scarce prior to 2001 | Sep 08 16:08 |
| ender_2600 | they've shown microsoft conspiracies to modify copyright worldwide | Sep 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | maybe not enough CDs to leak the data | Sep 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | copyright stuff is more recent | Sep 08 16:08 |
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| ender_2600 | assuming they could get that info | Sep 08 16:09 |
| ender_2600 | someone with top clearance would have to leak it | Sep 08 16:09 |
| schestowitz | there are leaks | Sep 08 16:09 |
| schestowitz | look it up | Sep 08 16:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/nearyd/status/111813028223270913 | Sep 08 16:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @nearyd: @schestowitz The @Linuxfoundation owns some resources, they can sell them (TM, development staff). Or Samsung can assume stewardship... | Sep 08 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | Good to know | Sep 08 16:10 |
| ender_2600 | im not going to just assume everything was leaked | Sep 08 16:10 |
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| XFaCE | hi schestowitz | Sep 08 16:11 |
| XFaCE | how goes you? | Sep 08 16:11 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Sep 08 16:12 |
| schestowitz | unusual greeting :-) | Sep 08 16:12 |
| schestowitz | only heard around here | Sep 08 16:12 |
| XFaCE | lol | Sep 08 16:12 |
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| XFaCE | I think my new nick is a little silly, but meh | Sep 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | put the xface content in real name | Sep 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | and then we'll have a binary face | Sep 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | 256 bits | Sep 08 16:13 |
| XFaCE | You mean IRC content? | Sep 08 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | !google xface wikipedia | Sep 08 16:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - X-Face - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Face | Sep 08 16:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - X-Face - Wikipedia | http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Face | Sep 08 16:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Xfce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfce | Sep 08 16:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - X-Face / Usenet - Internet-description.com | http://www.internet-description.com/x/x-face.html | Sep 08 16:15 |
| XFaCE | One of those results is corret :) | Sep 08 16:15 |
| XFaCE | *correct | Sep 08 16:15 |
| XFaCE | Note the lack of hyphen and different capitalisation | Sep 08 16:16 |
| *XFaCE is now known as XFaCE-not-X-Face | Sep 08 16:17 | |
| XFaCE-not-X-Face | lol | Sep 08 16:17 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 08 16:18 |
| *XFaCE-not-X-Face is now known as XFaCE | Sep 08 16:18 | |
| iophk | http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2011/09/michael-hart-1947---2011-prophet-of-abundance/ | Sep 08 16:18 |
| iophk | http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/sep/08/michael-hart-inventor-ebook-dies | Sep 08 16:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Michael Hart (1947 - 2011): Prophet of Abundance - Open Enterprise .::. Size~: 82.98 KB | Sep 08 16:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Michael Hart, inventor of the ebook, dies aged 64 | Books | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 113.54 KB | Sep 08 16:18 |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: So I should add an X-Face to X-Face compatible protocols eh? | Sep 08 16:19 |
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| XFaCE | ok | Sep 08 16:20 |
| XFaCE | We kinda need TRIdentica | Sep 08 16:20 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz? | Sep 08 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Sure | Sep 08 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Oh, you're forbes | Sep 08 16:20 |
| XFaCE | yes | Sep 08 16:20 |
| schestowitz | welcome | Sep 08 16:21 |
| schestowitz | i use xface in mail | Sep 08 16:21 |
| XFaCE | you guessed that or there is some identifying info? | Sep 08 16:21 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: A real picture of you as the X-face? | Sep 08 16:22 |
| XFaCE | The wiki has some cleanup to do :P | Sep 08 16:22 |
| schestowitz | I cleaned up a bit today | Sep 08 16:23 |
| schestowitz | But some spammers also spammed existing pages | Sep 08 16:23 |
| XFaCE | uh oh | Sep 08 16:24 |
| schestowitz | So one has to be careful and watch the page before deleting | Sep 08 16:24 |
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| XFaCE | so they went from spam articles to spam user pages to spamed existing pages | Sep 08 16:24 |
| XFaCE | I got the nick idea from a review of the XFCE edition of PCLOS | Sep 08 16:26 |
| XFaCE | The reviewer refered to the DE as "X face" | Sep 08 16:26 |
| XFaCE | Really | Sep 08 16:27 |
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| XFaCE | brb | Sep 08 16:28 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] PC shipments growing more slowly than expected (Gartner): http://bit.ly/n65wcE | Sep 08 16:30 | |
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| XFaCE | success | Sep 08 16:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 8/9/2011: Munich’s Migration to GNU/Linux Works, #Archbang 2011.09 http://ur1.ca/519iy !techrights | Sep 08 16:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 8/9/2011: Munich’s Migration to GNU/Linux Works, #Archbang 2011.09 http://ur1.ca/519iy #techrights | Sep 08 16:33 | |
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| XFaCE | @schestowitz Techrights running slow... | Sep 08 16:35 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @glynmoody #BSA secret agenda: open source saves the world - http://bit.ly/qmxuUr oh, well played, sir! | Sep 08 16:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Did you know that the Forbidden City in Beijing uses BladeCenter running Linux? http://bit.ly/qFHynD #bladecenter #linux | Sep 08 16:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Slides from my "More Than Licenses" talk at #TS11 are now online at http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1792694/1136-Transfer-Summit-Oxford.pdf | Sep 08 16:42 | |
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| schestowitz | XFaCE: yes, many visitors | Sep 08 16:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] I want YOU to opensource http://opensource.com/government/11/9/i-want-you-open-source | Sep 08 16:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] crispy fried bean curd sheet with a ginger chilli sauce to dip in makes an awesome snack. a test with the curd sheets pre-dinner turns gold | Sep 08 16:48 | |
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| schestowitz | we have servr load of 26 this morning | Sep 08 16:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Google Acquires Zagat To Flesh Out Local Reviews (TechCrunch): http://tcrn.ch/pcnzUd | Sep 08 16:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] Received "Javascript: The good parts by Douglas crockford" from @flipkart | Sep 08 16:53 | |
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| iophk | 26 on a scale of ? | Sep 08 16:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] A friend who works in the restaurant biz *hates* Yelp reviews; Most are complaints about picayune matters or perceived slights. | Sep 08 16:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] What, no DC? IBM pinpoints the most horrific traffic in the entire world (Gizmodo): http://gizmo.do/pzM0IS | Sep 08 16:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Listening to Dave Gilmour and Snowy White trading licks on Shine on You Crazy Diamond from Montreal '77 | Sep 08 16:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Google Buys Local Restaurant Reviews And Recommendations Company #Zagat - http://tcrn.ch/pmYadI losing focus? | Sep 08 16:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] South African fossils halfway between ape and human - http://bit.ly/ouPhTj one for the Creationists... #evolution | Sep 08 17:03 | |
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| ender_2600 | 12:54 -TRIdentica:#techrights- [glynmoody/@glynmoody] South African fossils halfway between ape and human - http://bit.ly/ouPhTj one for the Creationists... #evolution | Sep 08 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | 26 pending processes on 2 cores | Sep 08 17:06 |
| schestowitz | average | Sep 08 17:06 |
| ender_2600 | doesn't refute my theory | Sep 08 17:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] New 'Low Point'? Republicans at Debate Cheer Executions - http://bit.ly/oXc6yo these people are just sick | Sep 08 17:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Hacking Tools for Administrators http://www.googez.com/2011/09/linux-hacking-tools-for-administrators/ | Sep 08 17:07 | |
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| iophk | ok thx | Sep 08 17:07 |
| ender_2600 | 12:57 -TRIdentica:#techrights- [glynmoody/@glynmoody] New 'Low Point'? Republicans at Debate Cheer Executions - http://bit.ly/oXc6yo these people are just sick | Sep 08 17:07 |
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| ender_2600 | LOL | Sep 08 17:07 |
| schestowitz | they do as theyspeak | Sep 08 17:07 |
| schestowitz | tomorrow they'll execute palin | Sep 08 17:08 |
| ender_2600 | they aren't talking about executing everyone | Sep 08 17:08 |
| schestowitz | assange | Sep 08 17:08 |
| iophk | http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/sep/07/michael-moore-hated-man-america | Sep 08 17:08 |
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| ender_2600 | assange has nothing to do with the death penalty | Sep 08 17:08 |
| schestowitz | but hey, he's not huaman, right? ...rigiiight? | Sep 08 17:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Website Publishes 'Do Not Publish This Is a Test,' Cruel World Laughs (Gawker): http://gaw.kr/nlRazT | Sep 08 17:08 | |
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| ender_2600 | the article is about supporting the death penalty | Sep 08 17:08 |
| schestowitz | ender_2600: he is | Sep 08 17:09 |
| schestowitz | in case you have not paid attention | Sep 08 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Same for bradley manning | Sep 08 17:09 |
| ender_2600 | http://www.thenation.com/blog/163240/new-low-point-republicans-debate-cheer-executions | Sep 08 17:09 |
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| ender_2600 | I don't disagree with killing murderers | Sep 08 17:09 |
| schestowitz | iophk: poor michael... daring to speak out against corruption | Sep 08 17:09 |
| schestowitz | my dad admires his work | Sep 08 17:09 |
| ender_2600 | michael moore? | Sep 08 17:09 |
| schestowitz | flint | Sep 08 17:10 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Sep 08 17:10 |
| iophk | he was in the position to speak up, not many get that chance | Sep 08 17:10 |
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| XFaCE | iophk: True | Sep 08 17:11 |
| XFaCE | With the advent of the Internet, a lot more have a chance | Sep 08 17:11 |
| XFaCE | I am awaiting the first documentary by Roy Schestowitz :) | Sep 08 17:11 |
| iophk | as long as net neutrality continues | Sep 08 17:11 |
| schestowitz | that's TV | Sep 08 17:11 |
| ender_2600 | lol | Sep 08 17:11 |
| schestowitz | mass media | Sep 08 17:11 |
| schestowitz | and productions | Sep 08 17:12 |
| schestowitz | had this argument | Sep 08 17:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] More Microsoft Extortion http://ur1.ca/519pm #microsoft #acer #fat #swpats #android #chromeos | Sep 08 17:12 | |
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| ender_2600 | its too capitalist | Sep 08 17:12 |
| schestowitz | over why some new diruption will need to be indpeendent from broadcast | Sep 08 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | people wasting a yera making a two-hour film | Sep 08 17:12 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Could do a independent production ala Star Wreck | Sep 08 17:12 |
| schestowitz | and usually reach small audiences | Sep 08 17:12 |
| *eebrah_ is now known as eebrah | Sep 08 17:12 | |
| schestowitz | tv is dying | Sep 08 17:12 |
| ender_2600 | schestowitz - you would reach a different audience instead of preaching to the choir | Sep 08 17:13 |
| schestowitz | people use cilips | Sep 08 17:13 |
| XFaCE | esp. In canada | Sep 08 17:13 |
| schestowitz | increasingly | Sep 08 17:13 |
| schestowitz | clips work bettr | Sep 08 17:13 |
| iophk | tv is very lame | Sep 08 17:13 |
| schestowitz | on phones too | Sep 08 17:13 |
| iophk | no good content | Sep 08 17:13 |
| schestowitz | can't broadcast well on phones | Sep 08 17:13 |
| XFaCE | TV in Canada is now a mess thanks to the digital TV transition plan | Sep 08 17:13 |
| iophk | no good content | Sep 08 17:13 |
| XFaCE | which essentially is no plan but rather "do it if you feel like it" | Sep 08 17:13 |
| schestowitz | and people download shows that intersec with their interestws | Sep 08 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Now "what's on the radio" | Sep 08 17:13 |
| schestowitz | *not | Sep 08 17:13 |
| schestowitz | at least people whom I speak to are like that | Sep 08 17:14 |
| XFaCE | I don't even watch really Star Trek: TNG, I watch GeneralGrin's recuts on YouTube instead | Sep 08 17:14 |
| schestowitz | and they don't, count the minuts for the time some show they like goes on the radio | Sep 08 17:14 |
| XFaCE | of Star Trek TNG | Sep 08 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | the way television used to be | Sep 08 17:14 |
| ender_2600 | mass media costs money too | Sep 08 17:15 |
| XFaCE | yep | Sep 08 17:16 |
| XFaCE | and it's becoming less interesting by the day | Sep 08 17:16 |
| ender_2600 | true | Sep 08 17:16 |
| XFaCE | wait, to make sure we're on the same page, please give me your definition of "mass media" | Sep 08 17:16 |
| ender_2600 | tv is just social engineering, mixed with behavior placement and advertisements so they can make money off it | Sep 08 17:17 |
| XFaCE | I would agree with that statement in part | Sep 08 17:17 |
| XFaCE | maybe not use such harsh a term as social engineering. | Sep 08 17:18 |
| ender_2600 | what don't you agree with? | Sep 08 17:18 |
| ender_2600 | behavior placement is a form of that | Sep 08 17:18 |
| ender_2600 | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304364904575166581279549318.html | Sep 08 17:18 |
| XFaCE | I think there are some facets of TV that are still outside of the conglomerate agenda | Sep 08 17:18 |
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| ender_2600 | NBC admitted to doing it | Sep 08 17:19 |
| ender_2600 | they do it in one of the shows targeted at me | Sep 08 17:20 |
| XFaCE | Well, personally, when I see these things, I just think it is a part of the story(ies) and has no effect on my judgement or decisions. | Sep 08 17:20 |
| ender_2600 | Bing Bang Theory | Sep 08 17:20 |
| ender_2600 | You might think so but it does effect your judgement | Sep 08 17:20 |
| XFaCE | Don't watch that, except maybe the intro. Catchy theme song by the Barenaked Ladies. | Sep 08 17:20 |
| XFaCE | Roy's website among others helps guide my judgement more than TV does. :P | Sep 08 17:21 |
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| ender_2600 | exactly but you're a minority | Sep 08 17:22 |
| ender_2600 | so am I | Sep 08 17:22 |
| ender_2600 | the mass public though will buy anything | Sep 08 17:22 |
| ender_2600 | just look at newspaper and try to find sources | Sep 08 17:22 |
| ender_2600 | that wouldn't stand up on wikipedia | Sep 08 17:22 |
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| ender_2600 | if fact came from media = true, else fact = false | Sep 08 17:23 |
| ender_2600 | hey SNit | Sep 08 17:23 |
| ender_2600 | Snit | Sep 08 17:23 |
| Snit | Hello | Sep 08 17:23 |
| abushcrafter | I am trying to be non-evil with choosing a laptop. I am thinking of getting the Gecko Edu Book (The new one that's to be released. It's charging circuit is fixed and it has a 10inch display.) with the new XCore + it will be 2ghz 1gb ram no 3d support :( so no Urban Terror (I know it's non-free and it is not ideal.) for £150ish. http://www.xcore86.com/site/Edubook More links coming if I can. | Sep 08 17:23 |
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| Snit | I saw yesterday that my ban was lifted. Yeah! | Sep 08 17:24 |
| ender_2600 | ban? | Sep 08 17:24 |
| ender_2600 | for hwat | Sep 08 17:24 |
| ender_2600 | eek, what | Sep 08 17:24 |
| XFaCE | ender_2600: Interesting that my current career path takes me in the current heart of that media environment | Sep 08 17:24 |
| ender_2600 | lol | Sep 08 17:24 |
| Snit | I was banned for some time for responding to comments I disagreed with. | Sep 08 17:24 |
| Snit | Whatever. | Sep 08 17:24 |
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| abushcrafter | I'm using instantbird instantbird.com | Sep 08 17:25 |
| ender_2600 | censorship sucks | Sep 08 17:25 |
| Snit | Ah, opened in an easier to use format | Sep 08 17:25 |
| Snit | Well, I do not see it as censorship to ban someone... at least not in the "first amendment" way (esp. when talking about people outside of the US... but even if not) | Sep 08 17:26 |
| ender_2600 | Snit, im working on something you might be interested in | Sep 08 17:26 |
| abushcrafter | It's nice to use. | Sep 08 17:26 |
| Snit | Ender: shoot | Sep 08 17:26 |
| XFaCE | abushcrafter: tried that. Neat idea, lacking features I need unfortunately. | Sep 08 17:26 |
| ender_2600 | Snit - im going to have those RMS quotes in full with links | Sep 08 17:26 |
| ender_2600 | Snit - nobody will be able to say 'out of context' | Sep 08 17:26 |
| Snit | Odd - my name is still banned on my desktop client. But not through Roy's own site. Weird. | Sep 08 17:26 |
| Snit | Ender - excellent. | Sep 08 17:26 |
| ender_2600 | Snit - the ban is probably based on your ident | Sep 08 17:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Mozilla’s Media, Freedom and the Web Festival, November 2011 - http://bit.ly/qRPrvi in #london, too | Sep 08 17:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] More Microsoft Extortion http://ur1.ca/519pm #exfat #fat32 #patent #activesync #trojan #linux #extortion #ftc #antitrust | Sep 08 17:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] didn't someone post something about how microtransactions in gaming are unethical? anyone have a link to that? | Sep 08 17:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 6B mobile connections by the end of 2011. Wow! - http://bit.ly/pzEyKP desktops, what are they again? | Sep 08 17:27 | |
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| ender_2600 | Snit - I was wondering if you had more quotes | Sep 08 17:27 |
| Snit | I did some of that here: http://trw.gallopinginsanity.com/2011/09/01/sex-scandals | Sep 08 17:27 |
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| Snit | Ender: same name "Snit" | Sep 08 17:27 |
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| ender_2600 | oh nice, you got the site up | Sep 08 17:27 |
| Snit | See the link - I point to a page where I have more quotes... | Sep 08 17:27 |
| ender_2600 | that probably got you banned | Sep 08 17:28 |
| Snit | Yeah, Roy was not too happy about that. :) | Sep 08 17:28 |
| Snit | But he has not been able to find any place where I am not accurate. | Sep 08 17:28 |
| Snit | I have made it clear it is not going to be long term - did not even buy a domain. | Sep 08 17:28 |
| ender_2600 | I would have had one for you a few months back | Sep 08 17:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] European Council Offers Rebuke to U.S. #Secrecy Policy - http://bit.ly/pOgNCw interesting (v @normative) | Sep 08 17:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Open source health IT | http://ow.ly/6oWyt #olf | Sep 08 17:28 | |
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| ender_2600 | he showed a google trends graph on opensuse saying they were dying because of pressure against them | Sep 08 17:29 |
| ender_2600 | yet, when you plug in other distros they have the same decline | Sep 08 17:29 |
| Snit | Roy falsely accused me of taking them out of context - so I showed one with *more* context - and it shows Stallman as being even worse. | Sep 08 17:29 |
| ender_2600 | yes | Sep 08 17:29 |
| ender_2600 | he is worse when you quote the whole thing | Sep 08 17:29 |
| Snit | Ender - if you have that info I would love to see it | Sep 08 17:29 |
| Snit | I will post it on Techrights Watch | Sep 08 17:29 |
| Snit | Right now Roy is focusing on cablegate - I do not know enough about it to really have many responses. Do not care enough to do much research. | Sep 08 17:30 |
| Snit | I have responded to some of Roy's posts... sometimes even in agreement. | Sep 08 17:30 |
| ender_2600 | cablegate seems legit | Sep 08 17:30 |
| Snit | It does | Sep 08 17:30 |
| Snit | Well, at least the cables do. | Sep 08 17:31 |
| ender_2600 | yeah but thats actual evidence | Sep 08 17:31 |
| Snit | Roy does not always present them in a reasonable way... but some of his complaints are very reasonable. | Sep 08 17:31 |
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| ender_2600 | like blaming ms for the bp oil spill? | Sep 08 17:31 |
| Snit | Hold on... let me find an example. | Sep 08 17:31 |
| Snit | In regards to cablegate | Sep 08 17:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A Simpler Explanation of Why Software is Mathematics - http://bit.ly/nSLTgo v long, v impressive #patents | Sep 08 17:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks Israel: Steinberg: Human rights NGO's are committing political warfare and must be stopped http://t.co/C1MWSr4 | Sep 08 17:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Demise of Apple-labelled Foxconn Devices http://ur1.ca/519u0 #apple #itc #swpats #google #android #htc | Sep 08 17:33 | |
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| Snit | Actually - do not see much where I called him out on any comments on cablegate | Sep 08 17:34 |
| Snit | My goal is to help him think about how someone who does not share his biases would look at things. Will help him become a more accurate "reporter". | Sep 08 17:35 |
| Snit | I do think overall his goal is a decent one - he wants to see Linux do well. Where he and I disagree is I think Linux is good enough to stand on its own - one can advocate it without lying to make it sound better or the competition sound worse. | Sep 08 17:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] The Demise of Apple-labelled Foxconn Devices http://ur1.ca/519u0 #linux #lawsuit #marketing #apple #ios #embargo | Sep 08 17:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks Zimbabwe: a deluge of reactions | Global Voices http://t.co/35JjI52 | Sep 08 17:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ethical Investment Revolt - HP & Microsoft deleted from Dow Jones Sustainability Index - http://zd.net/ns6DOL straws in the wind (v @rmack) | Sep 08 17:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] New event added to our resources: O'Reilly Open Source Conference, July 16-20, 2012 | http://ow.ly/6oGIv #opensource #oscon | Sep 08 17:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Judge Shuts Down Another Mass Copyright Case, Characterizes Lawsuits as “Massive Collection Scheme” https://eff.org/r.B89 | Sep 08 17:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fontana are we talking about borrowed/rented or are movies coming w/ software like 'license, not own' stuff now? | Sep 08 17:42 | |
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| msb | Snit has been posting lying propaganda against Linux in COLA for years. One of his main lies is that inconsistency of UIs in apps make Linux difficult to use. He doesn't mention that the same is true of apps for MS-Windows. | Sep 08 17:42 |
| Snit | Can you please quote some of these "lies"? | Sep 08 17:42 |
| msb | I just describe one. Do you deny that you've said it? | Sep 08 17:43 |
| msb | described | Sep 08 17:43 |
| Snit | I am very clear with the inconsistencies in Windows. Here: | Sep 08 17:43 |
| Snit | Hold one... | Sep 08 17:43 |
| Snit | http://csma.gallopinginsanity.com/interface/dialogs/ | Sep 08 17:43 |
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| Snit | I do not deny what I have said. I am noting you accuse me of being dishonest, so I am asking for evidence. You know, a *quote* of my doing as you say, | Sep 08 17:44 |
| Snit | Also: the term "difficult to use" is not quite right. | Sep 08 17:44 |
| Snit | Not completely wrong... but a bit of a twist. | Sep 08 17:44 |
| msb | If Snit does say the same thing about Windows in COLA, it is so rare that I've never seen it. But I've seen many such posts of his against Linux. | Sep 08 17:44 |
| Snit | I do not talk about Windows much in *COLA*. Sure. But I do talk about it. And, as shown by the above link, I am hardly looking to make it look good! | Sep 08 17:45 |
| Snit | I show its warts, too | Sep 08 17:45 |
| Snit | And those of OS X, as well | Sep 08 17:45 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Why programming languages no longer matter (GCN): http://bit.ly/rsSBwG | Sep 08 17:45 | |
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| Snit | Such as my often repeated comments about how absurd it was to not have resizing from any edge (*finally* fixes in Lion) and problems with the single menu bar on top (made sense for smaller single screens - but now we have larger and dual screens) | Sep 08 17:46 |
| Snit | msb: but you accused me of being dishonest. By all means, please quote where you think I have been. | Sep 08 17:46 |
| Snit | If you quote a comment of mine where I was wrong I will happily admit it. If it is one you do not agree with, but I think is right, I am happy to discuss it. | Sep 08 17:46 |
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| Snit | But to find me being dishonest will be quite a challenge for you. | Sep 08 17:47 |
| Snit | To be specific: where is the "lying propaganda against Linux"? | Sep 08 17:47 |
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| Snit | msb: and then there was silence. :) | Sep 08 17:48 |
| Snit | Are you looking? If so I am happy to give you time. If not I am going to go do some other stuff | Sep 08 17:48 |
| msb | Snit: I'm not a sociopath like you. I don't have lies all lined up for posting. I have to get your posts from google. | Sep 08 17:49 |
| Snit | Ah, so since you do not have a single example, you decide to call me names. Got it. | Sep 08 17:49 |
| Snit | Ok, so can we at least agree you have *no* example of what you accuse me of. None. Not one. | Sep 08 17:50 |
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| msb | Here is a whole discussion about it: http://tinyurl.com/3zzuqcw | Sep 08 17:51 |
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| Snit | msb: excellent - and a quote from me which you find dishonest is...??? | Sep 08 17:52 |
| Snit | Where? | Sep 08 17:52 |
| iophk | msb: don't feed the trolls | Sep 08 17:52 |
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| Snit | Or are you just repeating an accusation? | Sep 08 17:52 |
| msb | Sociopaths are people who benefit themselves by harming others (in this case by trying to prevent them from using Linux). | Sep 08 17:53 |
| Snit | I feel another ban coming on. I was accused of lying - asked for a quote where I did so - and will be banned for "trolling" for doing so. | Sep 08 17:53 |
| Snit | Who is trying to prevent people from using Linux? | Sep 08 17:53 |
| Snit | I hand out Ubuntu media - and now Mint. | Sep 08 17:53 |
| Snit | I have clients who have moved to LibreOffice and even Linux based on my suggestions. | Sep 08 17:54 |
| Snit | I use Linux for my web host - by choice. | Sep 08 17:54 |
| msb | And yet "Snit" has posted lying anti-Linux propaganda in COLA for years -- many posts per day. | Sep 08 17:54 |
| Snit | From my first post in the thread you pointed to: My basic view is that the science of UI design should be understood and respected by those who design UIs... and that the OSS community has been doing so more and more, and that this trend will continue. | Sep 08 17:54 |
| Snit | msb: you keep making that accusation. So quote some of this "lying anti-Linux propaganda". Please. | Sep 08 17:55 |
| Snit | But you will not | Sep 08 17:55 |
| Snit | Your claims do not fit the evidence | Sep 08 17:55 |
| Snit | "My basic view is that the science of UI design should be understood and respected by those who design UIs... and that the OSS community has been doing so more and more, and that this trend will continue. " | Sep 08 17:55 |
| Snit | Do you consider that "lying anti-Linux propaganda"? | Sep 08 17:56 |
| msb | Yes, but in post 7 the sociopath "Snit" lists his "evidence" that he has previously cited to "prove" that LInux is difficult to use. | Sep 08 17:56 |
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| msb | By posting this material in COLA, and not saying that it applies equally to MS-Windows, sociopath "Snit" is lying by selective emphasis, and his lies are always against Linux. | Sep 08 17:57 |
| Snit | Wait: so you consider peer reviewed studies, standards bodies, comments from Shuttleworth and Zemlim and documentation from KDE, Gnome, Firefox, OpenOffice, etc to be anti-Linux propaganda? | Sep 08 17:57 |
| Snit | What? | Sep 08 17:57 |
| Snit | msb: I am asking you to quote me doing as you say. | Sep 08 17:57 |
| Snit | But you will not | Sep 08 17:58 |
| msb | I just described how "Snit" lies. | Sep 08 17:58 |
| Snit | But then you claim that Shuttleworth, Zemlim, KDE, Gnome, Firefox, OpenOffice, etc. are a part of "lying anti-Linux propaganda". | Sep 08 17:58 |
| Snit | that is absurd | Sep 08 17:58 |
| Snit | You made up a story about me. Oh no! | Sep 08 17:58 |
| Snit | But can you *quote* me actually lying? | Sep 08 17:58 |
| Snit | You pointed to a thread where my first post to it includes the quote I offer above... where I speak highly of Linux and speak of it improving | Sep 08 17:59 |
| Snit | Then you claim it is lying to point to evidence. That is just silly. | Sep 08 18:00 |
| Snit | And from post 11: "I do not mind when people argue against my views... makes things interesting - if they do so honestly. Despite his sidesteps into absurdity, TomB recently questioned some of my comments and it turned out he was correct: I worded one thing poorly and another I was only trivially correct with. Good. I learned from that. " | Sep 08 18:00 |
| Snit | I admit when I am wrong. | Sep 08 18:00 |
| Snit | Man, what a "troll" I must be to do that! | Sep 08 18:00 |
| Snit | Further down I call Peter on his lies about ceed being my sock. How *dare* I note how he lied. | Sep 08 18:01 |
| Snit | Then HPT jumps in lying about Crump being my sock. Again, I called him on that lie | Sep 08 18:01 |
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| msb | Here's another thread where "Snit" does the same thing: http://tinyurl.com/4xaxvzc | Sep 08 18:02 |
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| Snit | So here we have a thread where the "advocates" - at least some of them - are clearly lying. And you call me the "troll" for speaking well of Linux, admitting when I am wrong, pointing too evidence and calling out people when they clearly lie | Sep 08 18:02 |
| XFaCE | ender_2600: Does the "2600" refer to Atari? | Sep 08 18:02 |
| Snit | Still no quote from you - but let's look at your *second* thread. Can you at least admit the first thread you pointed to shows the exact opposite of what you wanted it to? | Sep 08 18:03 |
| Snit | Wow... had to go back to 2008 to find that thread... but give me a minute to read | Sep 08 18:03 |
| Snit | I started the thread... pointed to a post about some problems and then noted "A true advocate recognizes and can discuss the areas where growth is needed. " | Sep 08 18:04 |
| Snit | Nothing wrong with that. | Sep 08 18:04 |
| Snit | Not a lie. | Sep 08 18:04 |
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| Snit | HPT jumped in and trolled me... and I responded with "I disagree that it is perfect. I have seen folks in COLA talk about people so whacked they think there is *nothing* that is broken and hence no need for improvement, but you might be the first person I have actually seen say so. " | Sep 08 18:04 |
| Snit | And then I noted I was not against choice | Sep 08 18:05 |
| Snit | Wow... *that* accusation against me has been going on since at least 2008. | Sep 08 18:05 |
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| Snit | But no sign of my doing as you accuse. | Sep 08 18:05 |
| msb | "Snit" includes a few pro-Linux or apologetic posts so he can point to them as evidence that he's not a lying propagandist. It's a clever strategy. But the vast majority of his posts are lies against Linux, the lying often being by selective emphasis -- in this case quoting an article about alleged flaws in Linux, without mentioning that MS-Windows has the same and even worse flaws. | Sep 08 18:05 |
| Snit | Ah, so that is why you cannot find any actual lies by me... I am just too clever. LOL! | Sep 08 18:06 |
| Snit | So you have no quotes... do you have *any* evidence? | Sep 08 18:06 |
| msb | Roy is foolish for letting the sociopath Snit post in techrights. Sociopaths are the ultimate liars and destroyers of communication. | Sep 08 18:06 |
| Snit | Keep in mind - in both examples you point to it turned out I was acting the better advocate than the "advocates". | Sep 08 18:07 |
| msb | I just gave two instances and explained the lies-by-selective-emphasis/application. But Snit simply rejects that evidence. | Sep 08 18:08 |
| Snit | msb: but you cannot quote these "lies". And when you try you point to threads where I am clearly being a better Linux advocate than the "advocates". | Sep 08 18:08 |
| Snit | msb: you pointed to two threads where I acknowledge the imperfections in desktop Linux. | Sep 08 18:08 |
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| Snit | But I am clearly being more honest and more accurate than the "advocates". And not trying to get anyone to *not* use Linux. | Sep 08 18:09 |
| Snit | In the second thread I note where Shuttleworth says much of what I do. Do you think he is a "sociopath" as well? | Sep 08 18:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Microsoft PR/Lobbyists Incite Android Partners Against Google http://ur1.ca/519zx #microsoft #fud #pr #linux #android | Sep 08 18:10 | |
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| Snit | I mean, really, your evidence is lacking here. | Sep 08 18:10 |
| Snit | But I will give you a *third* chance to quote a lie from me or even a sign I am trying to get people to not use Linux. Have at it! | Sep 08 18:11 |
| ender_2600 | 13:25 < Snit> My goal is to help him think about how someone who does not share his biases would look at things. Will help him become a more accurate "reporter". +1 | Sep 08 18:11 |
| XFaCE | Hey snit, were you even on Techbytes? | Sep 08 18:11 |
| ender_2600 | That's what I was trying to do earlier | Sep 08 18:11 |
| Snit | See: more than anyone else I know of, I invite criticisms and efforts to show where I am wrong... I am confident in my views. At the same time, as noted, when I am wrong I admit to it | Sep 08 18:11 |
| ender_2600 | 13:26 < Snit> I do think overall his goal is a decent one - he wants to see | Sep 08 18:11 |
| ender_2600 | Linux do well. Where he and I disagree is I think Linux is good | Sep 08 18:11 |
| ender_2600 | enough to stand on its own - one can advocate it without lying to | Sep 08 18:12 |
| Snit | XFaCE: why are you here? | Sep 08 18:12 |
| ender_2600 | make it sound better or the competition sound worse. +1 | Sep 08 18:12 |
| ender_2600 | Well he has the world view that all software must be free, or its evil | Sep 08 18:12 |
| ender_2600 | www.fsf.org | Sep 08 18:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft PR/Lobbyists Incite Android Partners Against Google http://ur1.ca/519zx #gpl #swpats #disinformation #smearcampaign | Sep 08 18:12 | |
| Snit | I came here to see what was going on... msb started making accusations so I kindly asked him to back then up | Sep 08 18:12 |
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| XFaCE | Snit: Because I'm here, roll the bones? :P | Sep 08 18:12 |
| ender_2600 | 13:33 < msb> Snit has been posting lying propaganda against Linux in COLA for | Sep 08 18:12 |
| ender_2600 | years. One of his main lies is that inconsistency of UIs in apps | Sep 08 18:12 |
| ender_2600 | make Linux difficult to use. He doesn't mention that the same is | Sep 08 18:12 |
| msb | Some people visit COLA to get info about Linux in order to decide whether or not to try it. By incessantly posting criticisms of Linux UI, Snit tries to discourage these visitors from trying Linux. | Sep 08 18:12 |
| ender_2600 | true of apps for MS-Windows. | Sep 08 18:12 |
| ender_2600 | msb engages in disinfo in this style often | Sep 08 18:13 |
| Snit | So far he has tried twice and failed twice. In fact, his "examples" showed the exact opposite of what he wanted: they showed me speaking well of Linux, admitting to my errors, and being a better advocate than the "advocates". | Sep 08 18:13 |
| Snit | XFaCE: better answer than mine. By far. +1 :) | Sep 08 18:13 |
| Snit | msb: by all means do try to back this claim of yours up! | Sep 08 18:13 |
| Snit | I welcome it! | Sep 08 18:13 |
| msb | I already have. You refuse to accept the evidence. | Sep 08 18:14 |
| Snit | See: most people run from false accusations agains them... I welcome you to try to support them. | Sep 08 18:14 |
| XFaCE | Snit: I was wondering if you ever did your Techbytes episode. I still have do mine in the future. | Sep 08 18:14 |
| msb | That's a common strategy for lying sociopaths. | Sep 08 18:14 |
| Snit | And then, I admit, I laugh at your failure. So I am not perfect. :) | Sep 08 18:14 |
| Snit | XFaCE: I did one. I can get the link if you want | Sep 08 18:14 |
| ender_2600 | Snit - msb quotes a usability study as evidence that KDE, Novell and MSFT work together | Sep 08 18:14 |
| Snit | I am supposed to do another - though I am not sure Roy will allow it at this point. | Sep 08 18:14 |
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| GoForbes28 | that | Sep 08 18:14 |
| GoForbes28 | thanks | Sep 08 18:15 |
| ender_2600 | 13:40 < msb> Snit: I'm not a sociopath like you. I don't have lies all lined up for posting. I have to get your posts from google. | Sep 08 18:15 |
| msb | Obviously a sociopath cannot be trusted to honestly evaluate evidence of his lies and harm. | Sep 08 18:15 |
| ender_2600 | I disagree | Sep 08 18:15 |
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| Snit | OpenBytes link: http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/techbytes-audiocast-–-episode-56-–-240711-–-the-grilling/#comment-5609 | Sep 08 18:15 |
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| ender_2600 | He doesn't advocate the abolition of government, he advocates an even more restrictive socialist one | Sep 08 18:15 |
| ender_2600 | Sociopaths love guberment | Sep 08 18:16 |
| ender_2600 | gives them control over others | Sep 08 18:16 |
| Snit | msb: LOL! So you falsely accuse me of wrong doing and when you fail to back it up you just claim you are correct and that I cannot be trusted to note how wrong you are | Sep 08 18:16 |
| Snit | Look at your lack of evidence. | Sep 08 18:16 |
| msb | ender_2600 is a nutjob who has attacked me for not saying on my website that the world is controlled by a supercomputer composed of the merged brains of Neanderthals. | Sep 08 18:16 |
| ender_2600 | 13:43 < msb> Sociopaths are people who benefit themselves by harming others (in this case by trying to prevent them from using Linux). | Sep 08 18:16 |
| Snit | I mean, really, you claimed you I had lied - but produced *no* quotes of my doing so | Sep 08 18:16 |
| ender_2600 | they also try to control others (ie, via guberment) | Sep 08 18:16 |
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| ender_2600 | 13:45 < msb> And yet "Snit" has posted lying anti-Linux propaganda in COLA for years -- many posts per day. | Sep 08 18:17 |
| ender_2600 | show proof or shut up | Sep 08 18:17 |
| msb | ender_2600: I advocate people cooperating economically so they can benefit from their work instead of having most of the profits taken from them by wealthy owners. | Sep 08 18:18 |
| Snit | There is also a link to the PDF where I do the "homework" Roy and I talked about. He was not very accurate about PCLOS... in fact, he was very wrong. I, admittedly, underestimated how far it has grown. Good! I am glad to be wrong about that. | Sep 08 18:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Sandal queen Mayawati wants Julian #Assange committed http://ur1.ca/51a0q "sent an empty jet to Mumbai to pick up a pair of sandals" !wl | Sep 08 18:18 | |
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| msb | Unfortunately it's not surprising that ender_2600 would pal up with Snit. | Sep 08 18:18 |
| Snit | But Roy has never admitted he was wrong. He claimed I lied ... though he never said how. | Sep 08 18:18 |
| ender_2600 | 13:48 < msb> By posting this material in COLA, and not saying that it applies equally to MS-Windows, sociopath "Snit" is lying by selective emphasis, and his lies are always against Linux. | Sep 08 18:18 |
| ender_2600 | the topic in COLA is Linux, not Windows | Sep 08 18:19 |
| Snit | Like msb he makes accusations he cannot support | Sep 08 18:19 |
| Snit | msb: I am merely asking you to support your accusations. | Sep 08 18:19 |
| Snit | But, of course, you *never* will. Never. | Sep 08 18:19 |
| msb | The topic of COLA is a comparison of Linux with other operating systems. | Sep 08 18:19 |
| Snit | Then you call me names and pretend this should suffice as evidence. | Sep 08 18:19 |
| Snit | But enough about me... why not talk about Linux. | Sep 08 18:19 |
| Snit | So let's bring that idea here... let's talk about Linux. | Sep 08 18:20 |
| Snit | And compare it to other OSs if you wish. I am all for that | Sep 08 18:20 |
| ender_2600 | 13:53 < XFaCE> ender_2600: Does the "2600" refer to Atari? | Sep 08 18:20 |
| ender_2600 | 2600 magazine | Sep 08 18:20 |
| Snit | You wanted, instead, to make false accusations and then fold when you could not back them up. | Sep 08 18:20 |
| Snit | And that I do not approve of. | Sep 08 18:20 |
| Snit | So Linux: what do you want to talk about in terms of it? | Sep 08 18:20 |
| Snit | Need to run in just a couple minutes... | Sep 08 18:21 |
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| ender_2600 | 14:03 < msb> Some people visit COLA to get info about Linux in order to decide whether or not to try it. By incessantly posting criticisms of Linux UI, Snit tries to discourage these visitors from trying Linux. | Sep 08 18:23 |
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| ender_2600 | when you go to the grocery store or any place to buy goods, you don't want to know about the bad sides in order to make a more informed choice? | Sep 08 18:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fontana short version: using gpl'd icons in application create derivative work 4 app's ui code/files? | Sep 08 18:23 | |
| ender_2600 | perhaps we should stop selling cigs with a warning label, people dont want to know about the bad | Sep 08 18:23 |
| ender_2600 | thats just the government trolling cig companies? | Sep 08 18:23 |
| Snit | I think Linux is good enough where one can advocate for it *and* be honest about it. I do not agree with the COLA philosophy that one must lie to make Linux look good | Sep 08 18:24 |
| Snit | The unstated philosophy... before you ask me where people have said that. | Sep 08 18:24 |
| Snit | But look at http://trw.gallopinginsanity.com/ - I quote all sorts of FUD for Linux and against MS and Apple. | Sep 08 18:25 |
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| Snit | Roy is a part of the group that thinks you must lie about Linux and its competitors if you want it to look good. | Sep 08 18:25 |
| Snit | OK, I need to run | Sep 08 18:25 |
| ender_2600 | snit & msb - I actually attacked him for linking David Icke disinfo, even when provided evidence that the agenda is working with him | Sep 08 18:26 |
| Snit | msb: good luck with your research to find me actually doing wrong. There are examples... I do not pretend to be perfect! | Sep 08 18:26 |
| msb | Selectively criticising Linux and not saying that the same criticism applies to Windows IS lying by omission. | Sep 08 18:26 |
| ender_2600 | 14:08 < msb> ender_2600: I advocate people cooperating economically so they can benefit from their work instead of having most of the profits taken from them by wealthy owners. | Sep 08 18:26 |
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| ender_2600 | msb - so they can cooperate with the evil banks? no thanks buddy - I advocate abolition of economic systems | Sep 08 18:27 |
| koolhead17 | hey all | Sep 08 18:27 |
| koolhead17 | schestowitz waiting for your mail | Sep 08 18:27 |
| koolhead17 | will it take few more days? | Sep 08 18:27 |
| ender_2600 | 14:09 < msb> Unfortunately it's not surprising that ender_2600 would pal up with Snit. | Sep 08 18:27 |
| ender_2600 | Snit questions things | Sep 08 18:27 |
| koolhead17 | hey jono | Sep 08 18:27 |
| ender_2600 | I enjoy the company of people who do | Sep 08 18:28 |
| msb | ender_2600: How is people cooperating economically "cooperating with evil banks" ? | Sep 08 18:28 |
| ender_2600 | this channel is all 'yes men' | Sep 08 18:28 |
| koolhead17 | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/mainframe-ubuntu-linux/9491 | Sep 08 18:28 |
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| koolhead17 | ubuntu on mainframe :D | Sep 08 18:28 |
| msb | ender_2600: And where is the disinfo in the David Icke presentation that I link to on my website, cosmicpenguin.com ? | Sep 08 18:29 |
| jono | hey koolhead17 | Sep 08 18:29 |
| koolhead17 | jono: zdnet news is awesome!! :D | Sep 08 18:29 |
| ender_2600 | 14:17 < msb> Selectively criticising Linux and not saying that the same criticism applies to Windows IS lying by omission. | Sep 08 18:29 |
| msb | ender_2600: "<ender_2600> Snit questions things". Snit is a pathological liar, and so are you. | Sep 08 18:29 |
| ender_2600 | no its not | Sep 08 18:29 |
| ender_2600 | you can be critical of linux without mentioning windows and not be a troll | Sep 08 18:30 |
| ender_2600 | its called constructive critisism | Sep 08 18:30 |
| ender_2600 | 14:18 < msb> ender_2600: How is people cooperating economically "cooperating with evil banks" ? | Sep 08 18:30 |
| ender_2600 | money requires a bank | Sep 08 18:30 |
| ender_2600 | feeding the evil bankers | Sep 08 18:31 |
| ender_2600 | 14:19 < msb> ender_2600: And where is the disinfo in the David Icke presentation that I link to on my website, cosmicpenguin.com ? | Sep 08 18:31 |
| ender_2600 | The "New World Order" aka World Fascism | Sep 08 18:31 |
| ender_2600 | An excellent video presentation by David Icke on the structure, goals, and people behind the NWO -- the rulers of our planet. Watch and download. | Sep 08 18:31 |
| msb | Yes, that is the description of the video. Where is the disinfo that you claim? | Sep 08 18:32 |
| ender_2600 | the video itself is | Sep 08 18:32 |
| ender_2600 | its David Icke | Sep 08 18:32 |
| msb | How? | Sep 08 18:32 |
| ender_2600 | people were being brainwashed via mkultra to support his theories | Sep 08 18:32 |
| ender_2600 | including his star witness Jennifer Kealey aka Arizona Wilder | Sep 08 18:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @tekk sorry, it does appear to be a slightly strong copyleft, but in a weird way | Sep 08 18:33 | |
| ender_2600 | she was named after the mkultra key player, Wilder Penfield | Sep 08 18:34 |
| ender_2600 | who operated in Arizona | Sep 08 18:34 |
| msb | That video says nothing about Arizona Wilder and has nothing to do with that topic. | Sep 08 18:34 |
| ender_2600 | no but the video is likely to have lies within it | Sep 08 18:34 |
| ender_2600 | mixing fact and fiction | Sep 08 18:35 |
| msb | "Likely" ??? | Sep 08 18:35 |
| ender_2600 | im giving you David Icke's history | Sep 08 18:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Our next event is LinuxCon Europe in Prague: http://bit.ly/pnfack Hope you're joining us! #linuxconeurope | Sep 08 18:35 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Sep 08 18:35 |
| ender_2600 | would you listen to a word that came out of Bill Gates mouth? | Sep 08 18:35 |
| ender_2600 | even if he spoke the truth | Sep 08 18:35 |
| ender_2600 | why would the NWO help David Icke? | Sep 08 18:36 |
| msb | No, you're giving the alleged history of what may have been a psyop against Icke. What better way to disprove people's reports of sighting "reptilians" than by introducing one person who was programmed to give a false report. | Sep 08 18:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @tekk I wouldn't recommend using #GPL for an icon. @bkuhn would recommend using !AGPL I believe. :-) | Sep 08 18:37 | |
| ender_2600 | He is still pushing his reptilian theory | Sep 08 18:37 |
| msb | ender_2600: How is the NWO helping David Icke? | Sep 08 18:37 |
| ender_2600 | If he wasn't disinfo he would have realized his evidence was pushed to him by the NWO and would have backed off | Sep 08 18:38 |
| msb | Icke received many reports of sightings of reptilians. | Sep 08 18:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] When #Microsoft Tracks Identities and Conversations http://ur1.ca/51a4r #privacy #skype #chat | Sep 08 18:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] When Microsoft Tracks Identities and Conversations http://ur1.ca/51a4r #proprietarysoftware #lockin #eavesdropping #surveillance | Sep 08 18:38 | |
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| msb | He had lots of reports from other people than "Arizona Wilder". | Sep 08 18:38 |
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| ender_2600 | msb - i'll consider your arguement that it could be a psyop against him | Sep 08 18:40 |
| msb | ender_2600: And you are still pushing the crap that the world is controlled by a Neanderthal supercomputer and our rulers are living ten miles below the surface of the Earth. | Sep 08 18:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] It's tomorrow! EFF's boot camp for app developers facing patent trolls: https://eff.org/r.5Bb. RSVP: bootcamp@eff.org | Sep 08 18:40 | |
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| ender_2600 | msb - however I know someone who had David Icke over at his house while he was on tour and Icke mentioned working on a number of books and this guy I talked to didn't think it would've been possible to do the required research while on the road writing a book | Sep 08 18:41 |
| msb | And if that argument is true, then there is nothing whatsoever wrong with David Icke and his info. | Sep 08 18:41 |
| ender_2600 | 14:30 < msb> ender_2600: And you are still pushing the crap that the world is controlled by a Neanderthal supercomputer and our rulers are living ten miles below the surface of the Earth. | Sep 08 18:41 |
| ender_2600 | don't call things you don't understand 'pushing the crap' | Sep 08 18:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fontana I agree wtih that, but doesn't answer the question ;) Does using a gpl icon in your program create derived work as def'd by gpl? | Sep 08 18:42 | |
| msb | I call things crap that hugely violate known laws of physics. | Sep 08 18:42 |
| ender_2600 | that's what the people said when coppernicus made his theory | Sep 08 18:43 |
| msb | ender_2600: So "this guy" isn't as smart as Icke. And you call that proof??? | Sep 08 18:43 |
| ender_2600 | msb - Glen Kealey is smarter than David Icke, hands down. | Sep 08 18:43 |
| msb | Yeah, to you! | Sep 08 18:44 |
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| msb | ender_2600: You have no concept of critical thinking. | Sep 08 18:44 |
| ender_2600 | Yes, I do | Sep 08 18:44 |
| msb | You make no attempt to maintain a consistent model of the world in your mind. | Sep 08 18:44 |
| ender_2600 | SO its not a neanderthaller computer, just reptilian aliens from whoknowswhere | Sep 08 18:44 |
| ender_2600 | not the more-advanced-than-humans neanderthallers | Sep 08 18:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fontana I'm going to guess no, if only b/c of implications 4 other visual decorations(other icon sets pulled by gtk, maybe even wm themes) | Sep 08 18:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @tekk oh! wait... *sprinkles his world famous #notalawyer on all posts in this thread by him* | Sep 08 18:45 | |
| ender_2600 | a government paid psychologist would label us both crazy | Sep 08 18:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] 1824 usage of "copyright owner" http://ur1.ca/51a69 #heehaw | Sep 08 18:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @tekk I'm going to insert canned response of @bkuhn to such questions (which I think is write to licensing at #fsf dot org) | Sep 08 18:47 | |
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| msb | A neanderthaller computer that somehow can program the human genome millions of years into the future, AND people can live ten miles under the surface of the Earth, despite enormous heat and pressure. | Sep 08 18:47 |
| msb | With not the tiniest shred of evidence. | Sep 08 18:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] New !InconstantMoon character page: meet Barbie http://ur1.ca/51a6b !selfPub #specialfeatures | Sep 08 18:48 | |
| ender_2600 | 14:38 < msb> A neanderthaller computer that somehow can program the human genome millions of years into the future, | Sep 08 18:48 |
| msb | Except some word games you play, which would have required the Neanderthals to be speaking English millions of years ago. | Sep 08 18:48 |
| ender_2600 | not into the future | Sep 08 18:49 |
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| ender_2600 | currently still being done | Sep 08 18:49 |
| msb | Into _their_ future. | Sep 08 18:49 |
| ender_2600 | your name is like an md5 sum, or a checksum | Sep 08 18:49 |
| ender_2600 | 14:39 < msb> Except some word games you play, which would have required the Neanderthals to be speaking English millions of years ago. | Sep 08 18:49 |
| ender_2600 | no, just the secret societies currently opperating | Sep 08 18:49 |
| ender_2600 | they invented english via francis bacon and shakesphere's works | Sep 08 18:50 |
| ender_2600 | both the same person | Sep 08 18:50 |
| ender_2600 | bacon was a known steganographer | Sep 08 18:50 |
| Snit | Back for a bit | Sep 08 18:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fontana Yes, didn't occur to me that I could even write to them for non code gpl stuff, sorry abt. that | Sep 08 18:50 | |
| ender_2600 | so why not invent a language (or modify an existing previously created one) to hide messages ? | Sep 08 18:50 |
| Snit | amma ladda goochin, mumoo maluchin. | Sep 08 18:51 |
| ender_2600 | ive also pointed out freemasons had used anagrams and allegory to hide secret mesages and you have most of the presidents of the USA being members | Sep 08 18:52 |
| Snit | Fancis Bacon and Shakespeare are the same person? | Sep 08 18:52 |
| ender_2600 | Snit - yes | Sep 08 18:52 |
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| *MinceR has kicked Snit from #techrights (ban evasion) | Sep 08 18:52 | |
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| ender_2600 | ban evasion = faulty ban? | Sep 08 18:53 |
| *MinceR removes ban on *!*1874a77e@*.24.116.167.126 | Sep 08 18:53 | |
| MinceR | nope | Sep 08 18:53 |
| ender_2600 | yes | Sep 08 18:53 |
| ender_2600 | whoever banned him didnt do it properly | Sep 08 18:53 |
| MinceR | no, he abuses web gateways and his ISP has shoddy whois entries | Sep 08 18:53 |
| ender_2600 | why was he banned | Sep 08 18:53 |
| MinceR | probably trolling | Sep 08 18:54 |
| ender_2600 | 'probably' ? | Sep 08 18:54 |
| ender_2600 | i haven't seen any trolling from him either | Sep 08 18:54 |
| MinceR | also, i can see his attitude hasn't changed | Sep 08 18:54 |
| MinceR | of course you don't see him trolling, you're a troll all the same | Sep 08 18:54 |
| ender_2600 | not agreeing with the fsf company line = trolling | Sep 08 18:55 |
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| MinceR | what company? | Sep 08 18:55 |
| ender_2600 | now your banning all the potential techrights visitors on that subnet | Sep 08 18:55 |
| ender_2600 | the FSF | Sep 08 18:56 |
| MinceR | the FSF is a foundation, not a company | Sep 08 18:57 |
| MinceR | you're full of shit, as usual | Sep 08 18:57 |
| MinceR | as for the definition of trolling, see https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29 and http://catb.org/jargon/html/T/troll.html | Sep 08 18:58 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @agentdero When somebody asks about dropping out of school, I tell them not to. If they listen to my advice, they're not ready anyways. | Sep 08 18:58 | |
| MinceR | in any case, if you miss your fellow troll, feel free to start a channel and invite him there | Sep 08 18:59 |
| MinceR | better yet, leave these channels while you're at it | Sep 08 18:59 |
| ender_2600 | He wasn't trying to attract flames | Sep 08 19:00 |
| ender_2600 | He was asking questions that were too difficult, and were being ignored | Sep 08 19:00 |
| MinceR | keep saying that, maybe you'll find someone who believes you | Sep 08 19:00 |
| ender_2600 | 14:47 <@MinceR> the FSF is a foundation, not a company | Sep 08 19:01 |
| ender_2600 | its a non profit organization | Sep 08 19:02 |
| MinceR | afaik companies are all for-profit | Sep 08 19:02 |
| ender_2600 | also you take things literally too | Sep 08 19:03 |
| ender_2600 | 'towing the company line' doesn't always mean a literal company | Sep 08 19:03 |
| ender_2600 | it means being a yes man | Sep 08 19:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Oh baby: http://is.gd/QsgmCj #awesome | Sep 08 19:03 | |
| ender_2600 | not disagreeing | Sep 08 19:03 |
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| ender_2600 | following orders | Sep 08 19:03 |
| MinceR | yes, not joining your rages is "being a yes man" | Sep 08 19:04 |
| ender_2600 | calling me a troll for disagreeing with the fsf is "being a yes man" | Sep 08 19:04 |
| MinceR | i don't know who called you a troll for disagreeing with the fsf | Sep 08 19:04 |
| MinceR | i call you a troll because you troll almost all the time you spend here | Sep 08 19:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Monocalypse http://ur1.ca/51a9c #mono #novell #microsoft #swpats #pinta #banshee #ubuntu #opensuse #attachmate $xamarin | Sep 08 19:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] ...."The company patented the Mags’ power laces back in 2010" come on people, how did the examiner not notice prior art via bttf2?! | Sep 08 19:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Monocalypse http://ur1.ca/51a9c #xamarin #gnu #linux #canonical #suse | Sep 08 19:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @neptune78 @laurelrusswurm did you know the founder of Project Gutenberg, died? http://identi.ca/notice/83090897 | Sep 08 19:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] ♻ @laurelrusswurm: RT @neptune78 @laurelrusswurm did you know the founder of Project Gutenberg, died? http://identi.ca/notice/83090897 D: | Sep 08 19:10 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Neptune (neptune78)'s status on Thursday, 08-Sep-11 09:16:46 UTC - Identi.ca: Michael S. Hart,founder of Project Gutenberg, has died: http://tinyurl.com/3efthch #ProjectGutenberg !reading !fbreader !ebooks !book !books | Sep 08 19:10 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Why Hasn't Apple Blocked Harmful Digital Certificates? http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2392626,00.asp | Sep 08 19:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] We've lost another great man: Michael S. Hart, inventor of the eBook, founder of http://www.gutenberg.org/ !book !ebook !bookworm !books | Sep 08 19:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Thank you for your work, Michael Hart (1947 - 2011), founder of Project Gutenberg. http://ping.fm/qpwhU | Sep 08 19:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @MMFlint In advance of publication, the Guardian is featuring an excerpt from chapter 1 of my new book. Here it is: mmflint.me/p3RkYZ | Sep 08 19:13 | |
| DrumScum | rofl, snit has been here again or what? | Sep 08 19:14 |
| DrumScum | hehe, got kicked out again pretty soon | Sep 08 19:14 |
| DrumScum | sad to see | Sep 08 19:14 |
| DrumScum | knowing he's not welcome in here, but still returning | Sep 08 19:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laforge/@laforge] announcement at #paris #orly airport: "only one piece of hand allowed on this flight" | Sep 08 19:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] obituary for the Michael S. Hart http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Michael_S._Hart !freeculture !books !bookworm !publicdomain !copyright #ebook | Sep 08 19:18 | |
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| MinceR | he's trying to spin ban evasion as having the ban lifted | Sep 08 19:18 |
| MinceR | and of course he picked fights immediately after getting in | Sep 08 19:19 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] George Bernard Shaw !q "Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world. Unreasonable people attempt to adapt the world to themselves.... | Sep 08 19:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "... All progress, therefore, depends on unreasonable people." ~ George Bernard Shaw via Michael Stern Hart #Gutenberg | Sep 08 19:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @neptune78 Michael S. Hart,founder of Project Gutenberg, has died: http://tinyurl.com/3efthch #ProjectGutenberg !reading !fbreader !e ... | Sep 08 19:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "Learning is its own reward. Nothing I can say is better than that."~ Michael S. Hart !q http://ur1.ca/51adu | Sep 08 19:32 | |
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| XFaCE | hey schestowitz | Sep 08 19:34 |
| schestowitz | hey | Sep 08 19:35 |
| schestowitz | just catching up with IRC now | Sep 08 19:35 |
| schestowitz | 2 hours' worth | Sep 08 19:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] British Government Under Fire for Ignoring Free(dom) Software, Responds With Face-Saving Promise http://ur1.ca/51ae8 cc @MarkJBallard #uk | Sep 08 19:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] British Government Under Fire for Ignoring Free(dom) Software, Responds With Face-Saving Promise http://ur1.ca/51ae8 #microsoft !fsf | Sep 08 19:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @opensourceway Thank you for your work, Michael Hart (1947 - 2011), founder of Project Gutenberg. http://ping.fm/qpwhU | Sep 08 19:35 | |
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| XFaCE | yep | Sep 08 19:35 |
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| XFaCE | have fun reading slander | Sep 08 19:35 |
| XFaCE | last I left, it was Snit arguing, etc. | Sep 08 19:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] me too @sandersch :) | Sep 08 19:37 | |
| XFaCE | and msb and ender_2606 in there | Sep 08 19:37 |
| ender_2600 | 2600 | Sep 08 19:37 |
| XFaCE | Sorry number police :P | Sep 08 19:37 |
| XFaCE | I've got university course codes on my mind | Sep 08 19:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] ♻ @laurelrusswurm: RT @opensourceway Thank you for your work, Michael Hart (1947 - 2011), founder of Project Gutenberg. http://ping.fm/qpwhU | Sep 08 19:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Michael Hart, Project Gutenberg's e-book loving founder, passes away (Ars technica) http://lwn.net/Articles/458106/rss | Sep 08 19:38 | |
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| ender_2600 | 2600 magazine dude | Sep 08 19:39 |
| ender_2600 | are you living under a rock? | Sep 08 19:39 |
| ender_2600 | :) | Sep 08 19:39 |
| XFaCE | never heard of it | Sep 08 19:40 |
| ender_2600 | zomg | Sep 08 19:40 |
| ender_2600 | how old are you? | Sep 08 19:40 |
| XFaCE | 20 | Sep 08 19:41 |
| XFaCE | The only 2600 I know of is the Atari | Sep 08 19:42 |
| ender_2600 | its the most popular hacker magazine | Sep 08 19:43 |
| ender_2600 | http://www.2600.com/ | Sep 08 19:44 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @robmyers ♺ @mairin: RT @opensourceway Thank you for your work, Michael Hart (1947 - 2011), founder of Project Gutenberg. http://ping ... | Sep 08 19:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] RT @opensourceway Thank you for your work, Michael Hart (1947 - 2011), founder of Project Gutenberg. http://ping.fm/qpwhU | Sep 08 19:48 | |
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| XFaCE | uh huh | Sep 08 19:49 |
| XFaCE | and you are surprised that I don't know about a very target-specific magazine because.... | Sep 08 19:49 |
| XFaCE | I'm not a hacker | Sep 08 19:50 |
| XFaCE | and I mean hacker in the correct, "non-cracking" sense | Sep 08 19:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sflc/@sflc] RT @eff It's tomorrow! EFF's boot camp for app developers facing patent trolls: https://eff.org/r.5Bb. RSVP: bootcamp@eff.org | Sep 08 19:52 | |
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| ender_2600 | well im guessing you're not too much into computers then | Sep 08 19:54 |
| XFaCE | I am | Sep 08 19:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Corporate Vice President Linda Zecher Quits http://ur1.ca/51ahh #exodus #monopoly | Sep 08 19:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Microsoft Corporate Vice President Linda Zecher Quits http://ur1.ca/51ahh #monopolyabuse #unrest | Sep 08 19:55 | |
| XFaCE | I suppose not so much in the hardware sense | Sep 08 19:55 |
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| XFaCE | or to that degree I guess | Sep 08 19:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | Is The #Olympics A Bankrupt Concept? http://is.gd/W13fic #London2012 !football | Sep 08 20:00 | |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: finished wading through the muck? | Sep 08 20:01 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[freenodestaff/@freenodestaff] We've started the ircd upgrades: http://blog.freenode.net/?p=1435 | Sep 08 20:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] A simple derivation of Kirkpatrick, Johnson and Barton's multilocus genetic equations using the Price Equation http://bit.ly/o1oWX8 | Sep 08 20:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] How I met Julian Assange and secured the US embassy cables SMH http://t.co/7D4DvbK | Sep 08 20:08 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Sep 08 20:08 |
| ender_2600 | msb - I have two questions for you | Sep 08 20:10 |
| ender_2600 | msb - 1) How long can you tread water? | Sep 08 20:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] A simple derivation of Kirkpatrick, Johnson and Barton's multilocus genetic equations using the Price Equation http://bit.ly/pMb9hM | Sep 08 20:10 | |
| ender_2600 | msb - 2) Do you have flood insurance? ;) | Sep 08 20:10 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @MarietjeD66 RT@CorrodaDynamite: Turkish warships will escort #Gaza aid vessels, pledges PM of #Turkey: http://ur1.ca/51ajm via @guardian | Sep 08 20:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] What music playing application do you use? !listening !librefm !gnu | Sep 08 20:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] #Powerset Founder and CEO Quits #Microsoft Along With Visual Studio Senior Director and AstroTurfer http://ur1.ca/51am2 #exodus | Sep 08 20:23 | |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: what IRC client do you use? | Sep 08 20:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Powerset Founder and CEO Quits Microsoft Along With Visual Studio Senior Director and AstroTurfer http://ur1.ca/51am2 #monopoly #collapse | Sep 08 20:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ouch! @lstench Cloud computing sounds like a good idea, except someone else holds the keys. Just remember there is no !privacy in the cloud | Sep 08 20:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] The violinist for the next production of Einstein on the Beach http://bit.ly/oSz75O | Sep 08 20:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] I need a good, sturdy, comfortable headset that is well supported in Ubuntu - any recommendations? #ubuntu | Sep 08 20:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Kellogg's Stakes Claim To Toucans, Mayan Imagery; Cease-and-Desist To Guatemalan Non-Profit - http://bit.ly/oGT8uY #kellog's makes me gag | Sep 08 20:37 | |
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| msb | ender_2600: Why, is the Flood coming? | Sep 08 20:40 |
| XFaCE | good Peter Gabriel song, MSB | Sep 08 20:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Thanks for the recommendations folks, I went for http://is.gd/xY9Lep | Sep 08 20:42 | |
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| schestowitz | [18:27] <koolhead17> schestowitz waiting for your mail | Sep 08 20:43 |
| schestowitz | What about? | Sep 08 20:43 |
| schestowitz | 29] <koolhead17> jono: zdnet news is awesome!! :D | Sep 08 20:43 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Sep 08 20:43 |
| schestowitz | douche smells good\ | Sep 08 20:44 |
| jono | ? | Sep 08 20:44 |
| koolhead17 | schestowitz Ubuntu ++ | Sep 08 20:44 |
| koolhead17 | schestowitz were you not supposed to send me the compiled mail ? | Sep 08 20:45 |
| koolhead17 | for the press :D | Sep 08 20:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is schestowitz with 92 dents! | Sep 08 20:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Remember that "the cloud" is a misnomer. It's really other people's servers & they are not truly accountable to you. | Sep 08 20:48 | |
| schestowitz | mail? | Sep 08 20:49 |
| schestowitz | did you mail me attachments? | Sep 08 20:49 |
| msb | XFaCE: Downloading now! | Sep 08 20:54 |
| msb | 1.5MB/sec BT! | Sep 08 20:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk ouch. | Sep 08 20:58 | |
| XFaCE | msb: nice | Sep 08 20:59 |
| XFaCE | sure beats 20th century internet speeds | Sep 08 20:59 |
| MinceR | bluetooth or british telecom? | Sep 08 20:59 |
| XFaCE | ala the "best" internet in Canada | Sep 08 20:59 |
| msb | shhh.... (bit torrent) | Sep 08 20:59 |
| MinceR | oh. | Sep 08 20:59 |
| MinceR | of course :) | Sep 08 21:00 |
| MinceR | (though i don't get the "shhh" part) | Sep 08 21:00 |
| MinceR | (unless you assume that it can't be used for legal purposes...) | Sep 08 21:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk i've seen clips here and there. | Sep 08 21:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] had great albeit short evening in the #HSWAW (@hackerspacepl), with @forteller as our guest. funny, as we're overhauling the basement... ;) | Sep 08 21:00 | |
| msb | btjunkie.org has file search within torrents | Sep 08 21:00 |
| msb | MinceR: Well of course, I only use it for downloading Linux distros! | Sep 08 21:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @evan @stav what is e-180 when it's at home? | Sep 08 21:02 | |
| MinceR | there you go | Sep 08 21:02 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] btw i do have my own server at home and can connect to it when I am away from home; I consider this a LAN @qubitarkhive | Sep 08 21:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cablegate: How Microsoft Apparently Attacked GNU/Linux Adoption in Turkey http://ur1.ca/51auo #turkey #wlfind #gnu #linux #pardus | Sep 08 21:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: How #Microsoft Apparently Attacked GNU/Linux Adoption in Turkey http://ur1.ca/51auo #asia #eu #monopoly #cablegate !wl | Sep 08 21:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] 1st Webinar on #LRMI! Metadata Tagging in Edu: What Every Publisher & Content Developer Needs to Know http://bit.ly/q5UDzm | Sep 08 21:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Webinar to learn about the Learning Resource Metadata Initiative - http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/28930 via @creativecommons | Sep 08 21:27 | |
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| MinceR | gn | Sep 08 21:27 |
| ender_2600 | 16:51 < msb> btjunkie.org has file search within torrents | Sep 08 21:29 |
| ender_2600 | 16:51 < msb> MinceR: Well of course, I only use it for downloading Linux distros! | Sep 08 21:29 |
| ender_2600 | man up dude, you download more than just linux distros | Sep 08 21:30 |
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| ender_2600 | the distros themselves provide better trackers | Sep 08 21:30 |
| XFaCE | BSD distros? :P | Sep 08 21:30 |
| ender_2600 | BSD, fun :) | Sep 08 21:31 |
| MinceR | so, if someone downloads warez over http, then http too must be talked of as if it was itself illegal? | Sep 08 21:31 |
| ender_2600 | ZFS support (but old) | Sep 08 21:31 |
| ender_2600 | sure mincer | Sep 08 21:31 |
| MinceR | also, since it all happens over ip, ip itself must be banned | Sep 08 21:31 |
| ender_2600 | sure mincer | Sep 08 21:31 |
| MinceR | start campaigning for it | Sep 08 21:31 |
| ender_2600 | if torrents should be banned, so should http and ip | Sep 08 21:32 |
| MinceR | also, terrorists breathe air and consume water, so those must be banned globally as well | Sep 08 21:32 |
| ender_2600 | they also hate corporations | Sep 08 21:33 |
| ender_2600 | we should love them instead | Sep 08 21:33 |
| MinceR | but they also buy stuff from corporations sometimes | Sep 08 21:33 |
| ender_2600 | mincer, go buy some jewelry and a new car - or else the terrorists win | Sep 08 21:33 |
| MinceR | so corporations must be banned as well | Sep 08 21:33 |
| MinceR | also, terrorists are human, so humans must be banned | Sep 08 21:33 |
| ender_2600 | lets ban everything | Sep 08 21:33 |
| ender_2600 | terrorists also walk upon the earth | Sep 08 21:34 |
| schestowitz | all terrorists ae human | Sep 08 21:36 |
| schestowitz | a clear correlation can be shown between behind human and becoming a terrorist | Sep 08 21:36 |
| schestowitz | It has been empirically demonstrated the species most responsible for gas emissions is us | Sep 08 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Some, like ender_2600, believe oil producers | Sep 08 21:37 |
| schestowitz | A correlation can be shown between one's suit and wealth to being a liar :-) | Sep 08 21:38 |
| XFaCE | brb | Sep 08 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | Liar leads to profit | Sep 08 21:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cablegate: #Microsoft Helps the United States Ban Encrypted Communication in Cuba http://ur1.ca/51axp #cuba #encryption | Sep 08 21:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: Microsoft Helps the United States Ban Encrypted Communication in Cuba http://ur1.ca/51axp #america #sanction #embargo | Sep 08 21:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] przywracamy regularne spotkania IRCowe projektu WiOO w Szkole: #wioowszkole na #freenode. trwa właśnie pierwsze. :) | Sep 08 21:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Cablegate: Microsoft Helps the United States Ban Encrypted Communication in Cuba | Techrights .::. Size~: 94.64 KB | Sep 08 21:39 |
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| ender_2600 | 17:28 < schestowitz> Some, like ender_2600, believe oil producers | Sep 08 21:42 |
| ender_2600 | what? | Sep 08 21:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @schestowitz Cablegate: #Microsoft Helps the United States Ban Encrypted Communication in Cuba http://ur1.ca/51axp #cuba #encryption | Sep 08 21:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Do you have a link to the original cable for that one, @schestowitz ? | Sep 08 21:43 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Cablegate: Microsoft Helps the United States Ban Encrypted Communication in Cuba | Techrights .::. Size~: 94.64 KB | Sep 08 21:43 |
| ender_2600 | Cuban bloggers Yoani Sanchez and Claudia Cadelo | Sep 08 21:44 |
| ender_2600 | recently expressed disappointment in Microsoft's decision to | Sep 08 21:44 |
| ender_2600 | block access to Windows Live Instant Messenger for internet | Sep 08 21:44 |
| ender_2600 | users in Cuba (and other state sponsors of terrorism) through | Sep 08 21:44 |
| ender_2600 | their respective blogs, Generacion Y and Octavo Cerco. | Sep 08 21:44 |
| ender_2600 | The | Sep 08 21:45 |
| ender_2600 | Cuban Government strictly controls internet usage and | Sep 08 21:45 |
| ender_2600 | restricts access to several internet sites (including many | Sep 08 21:45 |
| ender_2600 | blogs), even for tourists in Cuban hotels. In shutting down | Sep 08 21:45 |
| ender_2600 | Instant Messenger, both bloggers commented that Microsoft is | Sep 08 21:45 |
| ender_2600 | in effect doing the work of Cuban Government censors for | Sep 08 21:45 |
| ender_2600 | them. | Sep 08 21:45 |
| ender_2600 | interesting | Sep 08 21:45 |
| ender_2600 | cuba working with microsoft | Sep 08 21:45 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ciekawa grupa bardzo fajnych ludzi - uczniowie, nauczyciele, studenci - dyskutuje właśnie, jak wprowadzić Linuksa do szkół #wioowszkole | Sep 08 21:47 | |
| ender_2600 | looking at the leak, it seems that it is illegal to export encryption to Cuba | Sep 08 21:47 |
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| ender_2600 | how do they help the US ban it, when its already illegal | Sep 08 21:51 |
| ender_2600 | the cable makes the cuban government look worse than both | Sep 08 21:51 |
| ender_2600 | I hope their citizens rise up | Sep 08 21:52 |
| schestowitz | one can google for other mirrors of the cables | Sep 08 21:53 |
| schestowitz | ender_2600: good for you | Sep 08 21:53 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/marjoleink/status/111902634746712064 | Sep 08 21:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @marjoleink: @schestowitz but they have all these backdoors, don't they? or don't they? ;) | Sep 08 21:53 |
| schestowitz | That too, but it's obtrusive | Sep 08 21:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Discussing Copyright in Canada here - come join us: https://www.facebook.com/groups/119414638159421/ | Sep 08 21:55 | |
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| ender_2600 | 17:43 < schestowitz> ender_2600: good for you | Sep 08 21:56 |
| ender_2600 | ??? | Sep 08 21:56 |
| ender_2600 | good for me for what? | Sep 08 21:56 |
| schestowitz | cablegate | Sep 08 21:56 |
| schestowitz | make use of it | Sep 08 21:56 |
| ender_2600 | I just did and it makes your article weak | Sep 08 21:56 |
| schestowitz | maybe they can prove or disprove your theories | Sep 08 21:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cablegate: US Embassy Changes Saudi Laws and Practices for Microsoft, Helps Shut Down Saudi Stores http://ur1.ca/51b0y !wikileaks #saudi | Sep 08 21:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: US Embassy Changes Saudi Laws and Practices for Microsoft, Helps Shut Down Saudi Stores http://ur1.ca/51b0y #wlfind #microsoft | Sep 08 21:57 | |
| msb | Cuba is not a "state sponsor of terrorism". | Sep 08 21:57 |
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| ender_2600 | How is Microsoft helping the US Ban encryption when it already is illegal? | Sep 08 21:57 |
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| ender_2600 | msb - sure it is | Sep 08 21:57 |
| schestowitz | msb: Microsodt says illegal Windows in Saudi is associated with terrorism | Sep 08 21:58 |
| schestowitz | The BSA sayd so too :-) | Sep 08 21:58 |
| schestowitz | War on Fake Window :-) | Sep 08 21:58 |
| schestowitz | *Windows | Sep 08 21:58 |
| ender_2600 | http://terrorism.about.com/od/statesponsors/a/StateSponsors.htm | Sep 08 21:59 |
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| ender_2600 | notice im not refuting the other microsoft cablegates | Sep 08 22:00 |
| ender_2600 | just this one with cuba and encryption | Sep 08 22:00 |
| ender_2600 | its been banned for YEARS | Sep 08 22:00 |
| ender_2600 | people export to Canada and then we ship it over | Sep 08 22:01 |
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| ender_2600 | LOL | Sep 08 22:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @zoowar: 10 Hackers Who Made History http://tinyurl.com/3fqksey #floss #fs | Sep 08 22:03 | |
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| koolhead17 | schestowitz around | Sep 08 22:12 |
| ender_2600 | schestowitz - I will make use of the cables, but what I won't do is use the lack of info as evidence that a conspiracy is not true. | Sep 08 22:12 |
| ender_2600 | schestowitz - I follow the belief that anything like that would be too sensitive to be caught by a random whistleblower | Sep 08 22:13 |
| ender_2600 | I wouldn't even put such plans into writing | Sep 08 22:13 |
| ender_2600 | If it were me | Sep 08 22:13 |
| schestowitz | i'm back | Sep 08 22:13 |
| schestowitz | koolhead17: what did you ask for? | Sep 08 22:13 |
| schestowitz | you're lost me. I got a short mail from you, not asking for anything. Maybe something lost in trnaslation, so to speak | Sep 08 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [22:12] <ender_2600> schestowitz - I will make use of the cables, but what I won't do is use the lack of info as evidence that a conspiracy is not true. | Sep 08 22:14 |
| *schestowitz nods | Sep 08 22:14 | |
| koolhead17 | :P | Sep 08 22:14 |
| koolhead17 | schestowitz let me mail you again then | Sep 08 22:14 |
| koolhead17 | :D | Sep 08 22:14 |
| schestowitz | ok | Sep 08 22:14 |
| ender_2600 | they won't have *all* the cables and i'm sure the us government has seeded disinfo | Sep 08 22:15 |
| ender_2600 | if I were running the canadian military, I would leak disinfo to wikileaks immediately | Sep 08 22:16 |
| ender_2600 | i hope im not smarter than they are | Sep 08 22:16 |
| _Goblin | ender_2600: you make a valid point..... | Sep 08 22:17 |
| _Goblin | (about misinformation...) | Sep 08 22:17 |
| ender_2600 | yes | Sep 08 22:17 |
| ender_2600 | its quite logical | Sep 08 22:17 |
| koolhead17 | jono: ping | Sep 08 22:17 |
| _Goblin | yep | Sep 08 22:17 |
| koolhead17 | hi _Goblin | Sep 08 22:18 |
| _Goblin | Ive always believed that was the purpose of the silly alien stories from Area 51.... | Sep 08 22:18 |
| jono | koolhead17, hey | Sep 08 22:18 |
| jono | sorry I am a bit busy now | Sep 08 22:18 |
| ender_2600 | oh for sure | Sep 08 22:18 |
| ender_2600 | area 51 is just advanced technology research imo | Sep 08 22:18 |
| _Goblin | make people think there are aliens in Area51, make people believe the USA has some advanced alien tech in its hangers which its adapting. | Sep 08 22:18 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @schestowitz Cablegate: US Embassy Changes Saudi Laws and Practices for Microsoft, Helps Shut Down Saudi Stores http://ur1.ca/51b0y ! ... | Sep 08 22:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] UK Copyright discussion on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/274619872549265/ | Sep 08 22:18 | |
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| ender_2600 | UFO's don't have to be Aliens | Sep 08 22:18 |
| _Goblin | and aliens don't have to be ufo's? | Sep 08 22:19 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: hangars | Sep 08 22:19 |
| ender_2600 | yes | Sep 08 22:19 |
| schestowitz | i remember correcting brad templeton about it ages ago | Sep 08 22:19 |
| schestowitz | he replied, "thmnks, will edit" | Sep 08 22:19 |
| _Goblin | :) | Sep 08 22:19 |
| ender_2600 | actually making people think the USA has alien tech would scare the shit out of the commies | Sep 08 22:19 |
| schestowitz | but he didn't :-) | Sep 08 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Area fifty won! | Sep 08 22:19 |
| _Goblin | ender_2600: that I beleive was the idea (if rumour was true) | Sep 08 22:19 |
| ender_2600 | but, the whole alien thing itself imo is disinfo | Sep 08 22:20 |
| _Goblin | very easy to stage... | Sep 08 22:20 |
| ender_2600 | getting people used to the idea of aliens | Sep 08 22:20 |
| schestowitz | In Soviet Russia, alien had hangar | Sep 08 22:20 |
| _Goblin | pick a small town (Roswell) | Sep 08 22:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Which Linux Distro Leads the Pack? http://ur1.ca/51b2z #gnu #linux !debian | Sep 08 22:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] i will be gone for two days; back sunday. doing an overnight paddle on the river Aare, taking advantage of being home & end of summer. | Sep 08 22:20 | |
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| _Goblin | put up a little show of something unexplained.... | Sep 08 22:20 |
| ender_2600 | back in the 30s there was a doc that talked about uniting humanity under a false alien invasion | Sep 08 22:20 |
| _Goblin | then make your stories conflict | Sep 08 22:20 |
| _Goblin | the conspiracy theorists will do the rest. | Sep 08 22:21 |
| ender_2600 | HG Wells who worked for these people made War of the Worlds | Sep 08 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Murdoch killed News of the World | Sep 08 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Murdoch is an alien plot | Sep 08 22:21 |
| ender_2600 | didnt News of the World kill Murdoch? | Sep 08 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Designed to destory human communication | Sep 08 22:21 |
| schestowitz | And cause wars on planet Earth | Sep 08 22:21 |
| _Goblin | Talking conspiracies | Sep 08 22:21 |
| schestowitz | The alients must be chckling at what their Rupe is doing down there | Sep 08 22:22 |
| ender_2600 | that was the best | Sep 08 22:22 |
| _Goblin | I think that custard pie attack was a setup | Sep 08 22:22 |
| ender_2600 | when the hacktivists defaced news of the world | Sep 08 22:22 |
| ender_2600 | with a Murdoch obituary | Sep 08 22:22 |
| _Goblin | so the "honorable Murdoch" could continue on even though he had been attacked by evil activists. | Sep 08 22:22 |
| schestowitz | poor Rupe | Sep 08 22:22 |
| schestowitz | And poor Steve Jobs | Sep 08 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Just a victims of their own success | Sep 08 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Such poor people | Sep 08 22:23 |
| ender_2600 | Conrad Black is another one | Sep 08 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Innovators.. | Sep 08 22:23 |
| _Goblin | Emporer Palpatine | Sep 08 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Wanna place bets on who dies first, Jobsxs or Murdoch? | Sep 08 22:23 |
| schestowitz | /sarcasm | Sep 08 22:23 |
| _Goblin | I think you'll regret that comment........ | Sep 08 22:23 |
| _Goblin | you know it will be misquoted | Sep 08 22:23 |
| schestowitz | the trolls will use that | Sep 08 22:23 |
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| _Goblin | yep | Sep 08 22:23 |
| *ender_2600 casts a spell and reads the future | Sep 08 22:23 | |
| schestowitz | let them.. | Sep 08 22:24 |
| *ender_2600 sees a COLA posting | Sep 08 22:24 | |
| _Goblin | there will be 100 posts a day about that one line Roy. | Sep 08 22:24 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Sep 08 22:24 |
| ender_2600 | we were on key when they made fun of the network subnet issues ;) | Sep 08 22:24 |
| schestowitz | I don't care much for evil people | Sep 08 22:24 |
| _Goblin | Infact Roy, you are probably to blame now for a slightly more conjested net because the trolls will be busy sucking on the teat of that morsel.. | Sep 08 22:24 |
| _Goblin | Although Evil is subjective. | Sep 08 22:25 |
| ender_2600 | a slightly more conjested net actually causes global warming | Sep 08 22:25 |
| schestowitz | it's not capitalise evil | Sep 08 22:25 |
| schestowitz | just figurative | Sep 08 22:25 |
| _Goblin | If Jobs were a Ferengi he'd be a most respected and loved person | Sep 08 22:25 |
| ender_2600 | _Goblin - he is in the Apple Cult | Sep 08 22:26 |
| _Goblin | Who Roy? | Sep 08 22:27 |
| _Goblin | ;) | Sep 08 22:27 |
| _Goblin | I like a good cult..... | Sep 08 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Sep 08 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Whatn about Scientology? | Sep 08 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Many things are cults | Sep 08 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft too | Sep 08 22:27 |
| schestowitz | They cary in sizes | Sep 08 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Some get called cultures | Sep 08 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Or nationalities | Sep 08 22:27 |
| _Goblin | I don't think Microsoft is a cult | Sep 08 22:27 |
| schestowitz | it is inside the company | Sep 08 22:28 |
| schestowitz | They serve the same ideals | Sep 08 22:28 |
| _Goblin | because Microsoft can only keep its employees because it pays them.....how many people would donate their time to Microsoft for love and for free? | Sep 08 22:28 |
| schestowitz | commmunism is also a bit of a cult | Sep 08 22:28 |
| schestowitz | and democracy | Sep 08 22:28 |
| schestowitz | democracy gre very much of a cult | Sep 08 22:28 |
| schestowitz | so we can't quite call it a cult anymore | Sep 08 22:28 |
| schestowitz | it's no longer some faction in ancient Greece | Sep 08 22:29 |
| schestowitz | We don't have democracy anywhere | Sep 08 22:29 |
| schestowitz | But the movement still calls "democracy" many things that are not | Sep 08 22:29 |
| schestowitz | to feel superior and feel like it's just to impose it on others | Sep 08 22:29 |
| _Goblin | I don't think we ever have had democracy. | Sep 08 22:29 |
| schestowitz | the Spread Democracy slogan for example | Sep 08 22:29 |
| _Goblin | the illusion of democracy maybe | Sep 08 22:29 |
| schestowitz | yes, but it's like a minsset | Sep 08 22:29 |
| schestowitz | touchy-warmy feeling | Sep 08 22:30 |
| schestowitz | We, unlike $you in $nation, have equality" | Sep 08 22:30 |
| schestowitz | The West also rprides itself in equality for women | Sep 08 22:30 |
| schestowitz | It's a currency for self pride and arrogance | Sep 08 22:30 |
| _Goblin | Heres something for you..... | Sep 08 22:30 |
| schestowitz | "We're supriorior because [we comply with the morals that we ourselves set for ourselves]" | Sep 08 22:31 |
| _Goblin | You'll like this........ (or not) | Sep 08 22:31 |
| schestowitz | :/ | Sep 08 22:31 |
| _Goblin | When an assination on Hitler failed he introduced a law that would punish the relatives of criminals for their acts....he theorized that it was the next of Kins responsibility too..... | Sep 08 22:31 |
| ender_2600 | 18:19 < schestowitz> We don't have democracy anywhere | Sep 08 22:32 |
| ender_2600 | woot, finally | Sep 08 22:32 |
| ender_2600 | glad you woke up on that one :) | Sep 08 22:32 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: deterrence extended to fam ily | Sep 08 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Risking one's kids, too | Sep 08 22:32 |
| _Goblin | yep | Sep 08 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Or parents, spouse... | Sep 08 22:32 |
| _Goblin | and heres the kicker Roy..... | Sep 08 22:32 |
| _Goblin | we do it in the UK.... | Sep 08 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Oh look | Sep 08 22:32 |
| _Goblin | just people havent worked it out yet. | Sep 08 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Now we invoke Hitler analogies to make a point :) | Sep 08 22:32 |
| ender_2600 | lolz | Sep 08 22:33 |
| _Goblin | See what happens if your kid truants from School | Sep 08 22:33 |
| _Goblin | who gets punished ultimately? | Sep 08 22:33 |
| _Goblin | the parents | Sep 08 22:33 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: like in the KElly case? | Sep 08 22:33 |
| schestowitz | I heard he may have had his family threatened | Sep 08 22:33 |
| ender_2600 | imo, government is a tyrant. we're all slaves with benefits. | Sep 08 22:33 |
| _Goblin | parents have been sent to prison for the truancy of their children | Sep 08 22:33 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: not just in the UK | Sep 08 22:33 |
| schestowitz | But... | Sep 08 22:33 |
| schestowitz | it depends on who knows | Sep 08 22:33 |
| schestowitz | As in, was the family aware of the plot? | Sep 08 22:34 |
| _Goblin | sounds frightenly like the law which Hitler introduced........ | Sep 08 22:34 |
| ender_2600 | I should coin that term if it isn't | Sep 08 22:34 |
| schestowitz | And I think that might extend to friends too | Sep 08 22:34 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: no defense.....absolute responsibility it was called | Sep 08 22:34 |
| ender_2600 | Slaves-with-benefits (like Friends-with-benefits) | Sep 08 22:34 |
| _Goblin | I can't remember the german for that. | Sep 08 22:34 |
| schestowitz | what cases? | Sep 08 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Or is it just written law? | Sep 08 22:34 |
| _Goblin | Nope the only cases I can draw reference too are ones reported in the media | Sep 08 22:35 |
| _Goblin | The RP is the parents....... | Sep 08 22:35 |
| schestowitz | what about 7/7 terrorists? | Sep 08 22:35 |
| _Goblin | infact there is nothing in law which says you can't go for the parents in any case. | Sep 08 22:35 |
| schestowitz | "Hi, I'm john, I killed a man. What did you do?" | Sep 08 22:36 |
| schestowitz | "I gave birth to a very naughty boy" | Sep 08 22:36 |
| _Goblin | yep and when people hear about the law Hitler introduced, rightfully they see it as frightening.... | Sep 08 22:36 |
| _Goblin | unfortunately we are already treading that path in law. | Sep 08 22:36 |
| _Goblin | its just the UK is better at dressing it up | Sep 08 22:37 |
| schestowitz | like riots | Sep 08 22:37 |
| schestowitz | iy's to defend us | Sep 08 22:37 |
| schestowitz | from the Bolshev... I mean, yobs | Sep 08 22:37 |
| _Goblin | You watch how many cheeky little laws will be passed under the guise of preventing Rioting. | Sep 08 22:37 |
| _Goblin | sorry..... | Sep 08 22:37 |
| _Goblin | its not a riot | Sep 08 22:37 |
| _Goblin | never call it a riot | Sep 08 22:37 |
| schestowitz | The Kettle and TEA law :-) | Sep 08 22:37 |
| _Goblin | if its called a riot then the Police are liable for the damage.....loss of civil control.... | Sep 08 22:38 |
| koolhead17 | schestowitz mailed you | Sep 08 22:38 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Sep 08 22:38 |
| schestowitz | I already assume the only form of secure communication is face to face with a person you know | Sep 08 22:39 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, the US can still open up snail mail | Sep 08 22:39 |
| _Goblin | mmmm I'd say no..... only because | Sep 08 22:39 |
| _Goblin | of the numbers involved. | Sep 08 22:39 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: it's preparation for hyperinflation | Sep 08 22:39 |
| schestowitz | There's going to be a whole load of depressed, hungry ppeople | Sep 08 22:39 |
| _Goblin | Yes you can be observed.......but then how many people could realistically be watched? | Sep 08 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Now they need the right legal instruments in place | Sep 08 22:40 |
| ender_2600 | you know the tea party did get the federal reserve audited | Sep 08 22:40 |
| ender_2600 | trillions missing iirc | Sep 08 22:40 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: ECHELON can automate the watch list | Sep 08 22:41 |
| schestowitz | The census says who's who | Sep 08 22:41 |
| schestowitz | And if not found by ECHELON, then assume watchlist needed | Sep 08 22:41 |
| schestowitz | So that can be reduced | Sep 08 22:41 |
| _Goblin | Hey this great..... | Sep 08 22:41 |
| schestowitz | so that one intl' officer can maybe keep track of 300 people | Sep 08 22:41 |
| schestowitz | and that scales OK | Sep 08 22:41 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: hey, the govt. took a picture of my sort of nakes... x-ray | Sep 08 22:42 |
| schestowitz | *naked | Sep 08 22:42 |
| schestowitz | They take everyone's | Sep 08 22:42 |
| _Goblin | Don't diss the dead evil person: | Sep 08 22:42 |
| abushcrafter | The riots don't surprise me. I'm 16. Had to put up with these idiots for a few years in keystage3 and in secondary. yuck. hated every min. then I managed to enable the eject button. now im home educated. | Sep 08 22:42 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: there was no soap | Sep 08 22:42 |
| _Goblin | "Whoever disparages the memory of a deceased person shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than two years or a fine" | Sep 08 22:42 |
| _Goblin | abushcrafter: who are the "idiots"? | Sep 08 22:42 |
| abushcrafter | 90% of the human race :( | Sep 08 22:43 |
| schestowitz | maybe those who pay 50k for a degree now | Sep 08 22:43 |
| _Goblin | were they the rioters from low income families or from the middleclass ones? | Sep 08 22:43 |
| schestowitz | dpends what they did | Sep 08 22:43 |
| abushcrafter | that has nothing to do with it | Sep 08 22:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @claudiom: @thistleweb That's a question for @peter64. :-p | Sep 08 22:43 | |
| schestowitz | It was a multi-faction thing in Manc | Sep 08 22:43 |
| _Goblin | does anyone here actually know what Riot is? | Sep 08 22:43 |
| _Goblin | ..... | Sep 08 22:43 |
| _Goblin | its.... | Sep 08 22:44 |
| _Goblin | 11 or more people engaged in a common purpose | Sep 08 22:44 |
| abushcrafter | thanks | Sep 08 22:44 |
| schestowitz | we're 32 | Sep 08 22:44 |
| _Goblin | Sec(1) public order act | Sep 08 22:44 |
| abushcrafter | 32? | Sep 08 22:44 |
| _Goblin | So 11 people commiting a Sec(5) POA are rioting.....in the spirit of the law. | Sep 08 22:44 |
| abushcrafter | :? | Sep 08 22:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Copyright discussion on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/134794233283130/ | Sep 08 22:45 | |
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| _Goblin | ahh facebook | Sep 08 22:45 |
| _Goblin | was just dissing that.... | Sep 08 22:45 |
| _Goblin | if 11 or more people agree with me, we can have a riot in the IRC room | Sep 08 22:46 |
| _Goblin | the common purpose being "Slag off facebook" | Sep 08 22:46 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/83157346 | Sep 08 22:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Javier Di Mauro (jidm)'s status on Thursday, 08-Sep-11 21:31:07 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Easy. Ask every distro leader to vote for another distro (not self). Debian is the most relevant. "Best"? depends on the user. | Sep 08 22:46 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: :-) | Sep 08 22:46 |
| schestowitz | what f some are just audience? | Sep 08 22:46 |
| abushcrafter | http://www.joindiaspora.com/ please | Sep 08 22:46 |
| schestowitz | or are in disparate location? eRiot? | Sep 08 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | *locations | Sep 08 22:47 |
| abushcrafter | bye bye facebook | Sep 08 22:47 |
| _Goblin | I think you can have a eRiot.... | Sep 08 22:47 |
| _Goblin | ;) | Sep 08 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is a 90,000 men-strong riot | Sep 08 22:47 |
| _Goblin | yep... | Sep 08 22:47 |
| schestowitz | !google cameron ban social networks | Sep 08 22:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - David Cameron considers banning suspected rioters from social ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/aug/11/david-cameron-rioters-social-media | Sep 08 22:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - David Cameron looking to ban social media in light of London riots ... | http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504943_162-20091384-10391715.html | Sep 08 22:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Echoing Mubarak, Cameron Proposes To Ban Social Media | Care2 ... | http://www.care2.com/causes/camerons-proposal-to-ban-social-media-recalls-mubaraks-internet-shutdown.html | Sep 08 22:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - British riots: Cameron considers ban on social networks - latimes.com | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/08/cameron-considers-blocking-facebook-twitter-after-riots.html | Sep 08 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Not sure if he was having his words taken out of context | Sep 08 22:48 |
| abushcrafter | what a fool he is | Sep 08 22:48 |
| _Goblin | I would like people to consider a ban on Cameron. | Sep 08 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Cameron is young for his role | Sep 08 22:48 |
| *jono has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) | Sep 08 22:48 | |
| schestowitz | I know other leaders who were young... and a bit trigger-happy | Sep 08 22:48 |
| abushcrafter | nar thats not the problem | Sep 08 22:48 |
| schestowitz | they soften witha ge | Sep 08 22:48 |
| _Goblin | Yep... | Sep 08 22:48 |
| abushcrafter | libdems seam to be better | Sep 08 22:49 |
| _Goblin | just look at the Queen of Naboo.....she was quite young. | Sep 08 22:49 |
| schestowitz | abushcrafter: think again | Sep 08 22:49 |
| schestowitz | !google clegg arson | Sep 08 22:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Nick Clegg gets asked about his arson conviction. 11/08/2011 ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D7ueBCWaWNcY | Sep 08 22:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - “Nick Clegg convicted of Arson years ago” who's a naughty boy then ... | http://victimsofatoscorruption.wordpress.com/2011/08/12/nick-clegg-convicted-of-arson-years-ago-whos-a-naughty-boy-then/ | Sep 08 22:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - 'I'd drunk too much. I was irresponsible. Criminal': Nick Clegg on his ... | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1193693/Id-drunk-I-irresponsible-Criminal-Nick-Clegg-regrets.html | Sep 08 22:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - England riots: Nick Clegg reminded of prickly past in radio interview ... | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8706292/England-riots-Nick-Clegg-reminded-of-prickly-past-in-radio-interview.html | Sep 08 22:49 |
| _Goblin | I think thats wrong.... | Sep 08 22:49 |
| _Goblin | it was an Arse conviction not a arson. | Sep 08 22:49 |
| abushcrafter | oh no | Sep 08 22:49 |
| abushcrafter | me get link | Sep 08 22:50 |
| *jono (~jono@99-41-167-234.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights | Sep 08 22:50 | |
| *jono has quit (Changing host) | Sep 08 22:50 | |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: lol | Sep 08 22:50 |
| schestowitz | is that like mooning? | Sep 08 22:50 |
| schestowitz | public mooning | Sep 08 22:50 |
| schestowitz | and nobody wanted to *that* | Sep 08 22:50 |
| abushcrafter | http://www.out-law.com/default.aspx?page=12172&lang=en-gb | Sep 08 22:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Digital Economy Act's copyright provisions should be repealed, Lib Dem policy proposal says .::. Size~: 32.71 KB | Sep 08 22:51 |
| _Goblin | Thats a Sec(1) of the Out of Touch MP Act 2011 offence - "On day/date/time/place , you did knowingly and recklessly act like an arse in sight and/or hearing of those likely to be harassed alarmed or distressed by such arsing." | Sep 08 22:51 |
| abushcrafter | i gave it six skulls of punisment other wise it was raver good. now to find out about nick | Sep 08 22:52 |
| _Goblin | Anyway..... going back to what I was saying earlier... | Sep 08 22:54 |
| _Goblin | been looking at German law.... | Sep 08 22:54 |
| _Goblin | look at this corker.... | Sep 08 22:54 |
| _Goblin | § 189 Disparagement of the Memory of Deceased Persons (1985, amendments of 1992) | Sep 08 22:54 |
| _Goblin | "I never liked Auntie Elsie......she was always a crumpy old hag...".-----> thats an offence right there. | Sep 08 22:55 |
| _Goblin | If you are German that is. | Sep 08 22:55 |
| abushcrafter | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=clegg | Sep 08 22:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Urban Dictionary: clegg .::. Size~: 33.57 KB | Sep 08 22:55 |
| abushcrafter | oh dear | Sep 08 22:55 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: heh. is that a fake quote? | Sep 08 22:55 |
| _Goblin | Its my interpretation of the German law. | Sep 08 22:56 |
| _Goblin | just what is disparagment? | Sep 08 22:56 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: but is it being enforced yet? | Sep 08 22:56 |
| _Goblin | well its in law.... | Sep 08 22:56 |
| schestowitz | TBH, I can't give a damn what people say after I due | Sep 08 22:56 |
| _Goblin | could be like my favourite offence in UK Law.... | Sep 08 22:57 |
| schestowitz | If it's good, fine. If not, who cares? I'm all disintegrated by then, how would I know? | Sep 08 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Disparaging people who are alive ia a problem | Sep 08 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Now, the question is, will disparaging the dead in front of their family be a violation? | Sep 08 22:57 |
| _Goblin | "It is an offence punishable by death to fly the Jolly Roger Flag on Englands waterways or highseas" | Sep 08 22:57 |
| schestowitz | That would make some sense as they get insulted while the dead cannot defend him/herself | Sep 08 22:57 |
| _Goblin | I don't think it specified.... | Sep 08 22:57 |
| _Goblin | so if you said..... | Sep 08 22:58 |
| _Goblin | "That Ghengis Khan was a bit of a git" and I thought it was disparaging.....I suppose the offence is complete. | Sep 08 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Is that a real law? | Sep 08 22:58 |
| _Goblin | yep | Sep 08 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Jolly roger flag? | Sep 08 22:58 |
| schestowitz | What is I make it blue? | Sep 08 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Does the law specify how similar it needs to be? | Sep 08 22:59 |
| schestowitz | "Like this:" | Sep 08 22:59 |
| schestowitz | "Not like this" | Sep 08 22:59 |
| _Goblin | ah... | Sep 08 22:59 |
| _Goblin | he's a piece of caselaw.... | Sep 08 22:59 |
| _Goblin | well an example of sorts.... | Sep 08 23:00 |
| _Goblin | An insult shall be prosecuted only upon complaint. If the act was committed through dissemination of writings (Section 11 subsection (3)) or making them publicly accessible in a meeting or through a presentation by radio, then a complaint is not required if the aggrieved party was persecuted as a member of a group under the National Socialist or another rule by force and decree, this group is a part of the population and the insult | Sep 08 23:00 |
| _Goblin | is connected with this persecution. The act may not, however, be prosecuted ex officio if the aggrieved party objects. When the aggrieved party deceases, the rights of complaint and of objection devolve on the relatives indicated in Section 77 subsection (2). The objection may not be withdrawn. | Sep 08 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Wjay about a Jolly Roger bandanna? | Sep 08 23:00 |
| _Goblin | oh..... | Sep 08 23:00 |
| _Goblin | Yep the Jolly Roger law is correct. | Sep 08 23:00 |
| _Goblin | I can though confirm that it isn't enforced. | Sep 08 23:00 |
| _Goblin | how do I know..? | Sep 08 23:00 |
| schestowitz | They should go after boats with pedobear flags | Sep 08 23:01 |
| schestowitz | the pirate mere is no longer manacing | Sep 08 23:01 |
| schestowitz | That has changed over time | Sep 08 23:01 |
| _Goblin | if you cast your mind back Roy a couple of years when I was in Poole....I sailed past the Royal Marines training center flying one...... Since they didn't sink me, I don't think anyone is interested. | Sep 08 23:01 |
| schestowitz | I reckon people would not be more afraid of a boat with a flag that bears aArabic letters | Sep 08 23:01 |
| schestowitz | And give thumbs up to people in boat with Jolly Roger sumbols | Sep 08 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Like, "hey, Johnny Depp... nice ride, man!" | Sep 08 23:02 |
| _Goblin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os5TXyJlEMc | Sep 08 23:03 |
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| _Goblin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbRHTmVr9bQ&feature=related | Sep 08 23:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Alestorm - Wolves of the Sea - YouTube .::. Size~: 91.31 KB | Sep 08 23:03 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: your autumn gift http://news.softpedia.com/news/KDE-SC-4-7-1-Is-Available-for-Download-220716.shtml | Sep 08 23:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: KDE SC 4.7.1 Is Available for Download - Softpedia .::. Size~: 47.87 KB | Sep 08 23:04 |
| schestowitz | ;-p | Sep 08 23:04 |
| abushcrafter | I was just thinking libdems would be a decent party. but what nick did is the sort of thing I can't stand. he is one of those idiots. | Sep 08 23:04 |
| schestowitz | /nick clegg | Sep 08 23:05 |
| _Goblin | ahhhh KDE.... | Sep 08 23:05 |
| _Goblin | no thanks... | Sep 08 23:05 |
| schestowitz | /nick arsonal | Sep 08 23:05 |
| schestowitz | /nick arsanal | Sep 08 23:05 |
| schestowitz | :/ | Sep 08 23:06 |
| abushcrafter | http://he3.magnatune.com/all/04-Ruined-Adam%20Fielding.ogg | Sep 08 23:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting application/ogg type | Sep 08 23:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxplanet.com/news/kernel.org-hacked-but-development-continues-on-github.html | Sep 08 23:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Kernel.org Hacked but Development Continues on Github -- Linux Planet Linux Top 5 .::. Size~: 56.58 KB | Sep 08 23:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Diaspora mini-post about personal responsibility: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/440749 #diaspora #facebook #googleplus | Sep 08 23:07 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Sep 08 23:07 |
| _Goblin | Roy...come on...you need to be on Diaspora. | Sep 08 23:08 |
| _Goblin | peer group pressure...peer group pressure.... | Sep 08 23:08 |
| _Goblin | all the hard kids use Diaspora | Sep 08 23:08 |
| _Goblin | ;) | Sep 08 23:08 |
| schestowitz | just read yours | Sep 08 23:08 |
| schestowitz | i saw the story earlier | Sep 08 23:08 |
| schestowitz | techduirt bores me a bit now | Sep 08 23:08 |
| schestowitz | same subjects on repeat | Sep 08 23:08 |
| abushcrafter | thats sad | Sep 08 23:08 |
| _Goblin | I wasn't happy with Susan Linton's views on Jono | Sep 08 23:09 |
| schestowitz | I said that on techbytes when i lost interest | Sep 08 23:09 |
| schestowitz | I read the headlines, still | Sep 08 23:09 |
| _Goblin | so much so I wrote a post about it. | Sep 08 23:09 |
| schestowitz | I saw | Sep 08 23:09 |
| schestowitz | and.. | Sep 08 23:09 |
| abushcrafter | sad about the artical | Sep 08 23:09 |
| schestowitz | don't make her upset | Sep 08 23:09 |
| schestowitz | She reads you | Sep 08 23:09 |
| _Goblin | lol.... | Sep 08 23:09 |
| _Goblin | Ms Tuxmachines? | Sep 08 23:09 |
| _Goblin | I'm sure she can handle it...... | Sep 08 23:09 |
| schestowitz | yes, the site is not growing much | Sep 08 23:09 |
| _Goblin | I think I was rather pleasant.... | Sep 08 23:09 |
| _Goblin | ish | Sep 08 23:09 |
| abushcrafter | I'm waiting for Diaspora to be ready :) | Sep 08 23:10 |
| schestowitz | phoronic is the same | Sep 08 23:10 |
| _Goblin | it is.... | Sep 08 23:10 |
| schestowitz | it ran dry on topic | Sep 08 23:10 |
| schestowitz | topics | Sep 08 23:10 |
| _Goblin | what feature are you waiting for abushcrafter ? | Sep 08 23:10 |
| abushcrafter | last I checked it was not ready for use | Sep 08 23:10 |
| _Goblin | it is....however its invite only. | Sep 08 23:10 |
| _Goblin | want an invite? | Sep 08 23:10 |
| abushcrafter | yep | Sep 08 23:11 |
| schestowitz | there you go.. | Sep 08 23:11 |
| schestowitz | exclusive for now | Sep 08 23:11 |
| abushcrafter | yay | Sep 08 23:11 |
| _Goblin | msg me your email...... I'll send one now | Sep 08 23:11 |
| abushcrafter | *need to read IRC man* | Sep 08 23:11 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: you're such a social networks pimp !! | Sep 08 23:11 |
| _Goblin | lol | Sep 08 23:11 |
| _Goblin | When it comes to Diaspora yep! | Sep 08 23:12 |
| _Goblin | Its such a great project/community | Sep 08 23:12 |
| _Goblin | Its like COLA without the crap. | Sep 08 23:12 |
| _Goblin | abushcrafter: just send me an email to: bytes4free@googlemail.com I'll then invite you from the email you use. | Sep 08 23:13 |
| abushcrafter | thanks | Sep 08 23:13 |
| abushcrafter | done | Sep 08 23:13 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/111922693707796480?iid=am-91760041513155194244485593&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208 | Sep 08 23:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @qu1j0t3: PLEASE, @OpenJonathan, apply 2b next CEO at #Apple & finish the brilliant visionary work u were doing 4 #Sun. #TheFutureIsOpen @schestowitz | Sep 08 23:14 |
| schestowitz | hmmm.. | Sep 08 23:14 |
| schestowitz | that would help Apple's image | Sep 08 23:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] "Mostly-Pointless Patent Reform Bill Goes to Obama for Signature" https://eff.org/r.2BA | Sep 08 23:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mostly pointless patent reform bill goes to Obama for signature .::. Size~: 36.09 KB | Sep 08 23:15 |
| _Goblin | abushcrafter: there...sent! | Sep 08 23:15 |
| abushcrafter | great | Sep 08 23:16 |
| jono | _Goblin, thankyou for your thoughtful rebuttal to the OSTATIC article | Sep 08 23:17 |
| _Goblin | Np.... | Sep 08 23:17 |
| schestowitz | susan never likes ubuntu | Sep 08 23:17 |
| _Goblin | I was very disapointed to read the post...... I did at first think she had had her account hijacked. | Sep 08 23:17 |
| schestowitz | she wanted to boycott it, too | Sep 08 23:17 |
| schestowitz | after the "shuttleworth chauvinist" thing IIRC | Sep 08 23:17 |
| schestowitz | yes, she wrote a post about it actually | Sep 08 23:18 |
| schestowitz | After podnering for a year | Sep 08 23:18 |
| schestowitz | And later backtracked | Sep 08 23:18 |
| jono | I totally respect if she doesn't like Unity or doesn't like me, but it sounded like nothing but ranting to me | Sep 08 23:18 |
| jono | ahhh well | Sep 08 23:18 |
| schestowitz | !google srlinuxx boycott ubuntu | Sep 08 23:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - web | tuxmachines.org | http://www.tuxmachines.org/taxonomy/term/103 | Sep 08 23:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - SUSE & Patent FUD: Who Do We Boycott Now? | tuxmachines.org | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/53980 | Sep 08 23:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Thoughts on Ubuntu and Unity | tuxmachines.org | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/52458 | Sep 08 23:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Writing about FOSS sexism - Linux Magazine Online | http://www.linux-magazine.com/content/view/full/40376 | Sep 08 23:18 |
| jono | such is life :-) | Sep 08 23:18 |
| schestowitz | I read her site all the site | Sep 08 23:19 |
| schestowitz | since 2006 | Sep 08 23:19 |
| schestowitz | she likes pclos | Sep 08 23:19 |
| schestowitz | cause it's texas like her | Sep 08 23:19 |
| schestowitz | and ubuntu stole the thunder of her fav distros | Sep 08 23:19 |
| schestowitz | like mandriva and opensuse | Sep 08 23:19 |
| schestowitz | and ubuntu is too n00b-frindly | Sep 08 23:19 |
| schestowitz | *endly | Sep 08 23:20 |
| schestowitz | so it's perceived as taking away our stick shift | Sep 08 23:20 |
| schestowitz | to the point where they no longer manufacture cars with manual gear | Sep 08 23:20 |
| schestowitz | ubuntu is aautomated machine in a world of Luddite | Sep 08 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Thretaning to make some of our skills and status symbols obsolete | Sep 08 23:21 |
| schestowitz | *Treatening | Sep 08 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Unity is the antitehsis | Sep 08 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Treating us like drooling apple fans of windiots | Sep 08 23:21 |
| schestowitz | thus the backlash | Sep 08 23:21 |
| schestowitz | LJ promotes proprietary http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/opera-dragonfly?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+linuxjournalcom+%28Linux+Journal+-+The+Original+Magazine+of+the+Linux+Community%29 | Sep 08 23:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Opera Dragonfly | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 51.42 KB | Sep 08 23:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Has Google Groups updated it's UI? - Much better layout. | Sep 08 23:23 | |
| _Goblin | "Thretaning to make some of our skills and status symbols obsolete" - If we believe that Canonical's sole purpose is to pander to the tech interested..... I think people forget, theres a far larger group of people who are not....... | Sep 08 23:25 |
| _Goblin | "Treating us like drooling apple fans of windiots" - In my opinion, the mainstream masses are.....its not their fault....they are just not interested.....dress up a product and they'll buy.... | Sep 08 23:26 |
| schestowitz | or use | Sep 08 23:26 |
| schestowitz | or download | Sep 08 23:26 |
| _Goblin | Just how if I was asked to take appart a car engine...I wouldn't have a clue..... I just want someone to do the job for me...Ive no interest in learning | Sep 08 23:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Bossie Awards for best open source software in 2011 http://ur1.ca/51bdg just some symbolic things | Sep 08 23:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bossie Awards for best open source software in 2011 - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 38.72 KB | Sep 08 23:27 |
| _Goblin | I think maybe this is a reason Desktop Linux has been held back..... distro devs were pandering to the "l33t" for too long... | Sep 08 23:27 |
| _Goblin | I noticed a shift from certain quarters in the "l33t" world that changed thier views on Ubuntu when it started to become a mainstream name and very accessable for the average user.... I wonder, could some of the attacks on Ubuntu be because certain Linux advocates want Linux to remain l33t? | Sep 08 23:29 |
| _Goblin | "Im special, Im a better more l33t person. I use Linux, you use Windows" | Sep 08 23:29 |
| _Goblin | I love it... | Sep 08 23:36 |
| _Goblin | Roy calls me a Social network pimp.... | Sep 08 23:36 |
| _Goblin | and Ive had the G+ retweet bot posting adverts for my Diaspora invites.... | Sep 08 23:37 |
| _Goblin | GPlusUpdate Google+ project | Sep 08 23:37 |
| _Goblin | RT @_Goblin - Join Diaspora! I have plenty of invites if you want in! #diaspora #facebook #googleplus | Sep 08 23:37 |
| schestowitz | [23:29] <_Goblin> "Im special, Im a better more l33t person. I use Linux, you use Windows" | Sep 08 23:38 |
| schestowitz | I was just trying to explain the loguic | Sep 08 23:38 |
| schestowitz | [23:36] <_Goblin> Roy calls me a Social network pimp.... << that was a flattery joke | Sep 08 23:38 |
| schestowitz | I think people who bash ubuntu fear it | Sep 08 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Becuase it changes what Linux is in all sorts of ways | Sep 08 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Anf they resist this change | Sep 08 23:39 |
| schestowitz | car engine analogy is unfair | Sep 08 23:39 |
| schestowitz | distros are never as hard they don't require special tools like an engine | Sep 08 23:39 |
| schestowitz | anyway, I'm back, let's see some news now :-) | Sep 08 23:39 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Yeah I know it was a joke.....I was using it to show I have the G+ bot on Twitter pimping Diaspora for me! | Sep 08 23:40 |
| _Goblin | re: car analogy unfair...probably, however its merely to show that when you don't have an interest in something, you wont care how or what you are using as long as it works an performs. | Sep 08 23:41 |
| schestowitz | the analogy can be used by the trolls | Sep 08 23:41 |
| schestowitz | They love usuing it and steering it in another direaction | Sep 08 23:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] BT software engineer tells how the telco is using open source http://ur1.ca/51bfu openwashing #BT | Sep 08 23:42 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bt software engineer tells how the telco is using open source- The Inquirer .::. Size~: 60.68 KB | Sep 08 23:42 |
| _Goblin | yes, but then they can use anything. | Sep 08 23:42 |
| schestowitz | frog | Sep 08 23:42 |
| _Goblin | and unfortunately as far as the vast majority of humans go.....they don't have a tech interest other than its a means to an end to get onto facebook... | Sep 08 23:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Ubuntu Developer Survey Report and Next Steps - http://is.gd/AU43lv #ubuntu #locoteams | Sep 08 23:43 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ubuntu Developer Survey Report and Next Steps | jonobacon@home .::. Size~: 27.39 KB | Sep 08 23:43 |
| _Goblin | If my mother ever starts coding in asm then I might say that there has been a social shift....at present, its only fashionable to use a PC/tablet....not to code or understand it. | Sep 08 23:43 |
| abushcrafter | dam firefox crashed :( | Sep 08 23:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Open source software – Competitiveness through collaboration http://ur1.ca/51bgc more beneficial to fast progress, educed cost to nature | Sep 08 23:45 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: INDEPENDENT online .::. Size~: 30.99 KB | Sep 08 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Firefox has a dam called after it? | Sep 08 23:46 |
| schestowitz | !google dam crashed | Sep 08 23:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Laurens ten Dam crashed hard - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DXFeu-zctQOo | Sep 08 23:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - 2011 Tour de France: Stage 14: Laurens ten Dam crashed hard ... | http://cyclingfans.com/node/2715 | Sep 08 23:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Laurens Ten Dam Won't Let a Slightly Deformed Face Stop His Tour ... | http://cosbysweaters.com/2011/07/18/ten-dam-wont-let-a-slightly-deformed-face-stop-his-tour-de-france/ | Sep 08 23:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Laurens Ten Dam – Ride Life.Ride Tough. | http://www.ridebikeshop.com/2011/08/01/laurens-ten-dam-ride-life-ride-tough/ | Sep 08 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Heh | Sep 08 23:47 |
| schestowitz | "" | Sep 08 23:47 |
| schestowitz | "Laurens ten Dam" | Sep 08 23:47 |
| schestowitz | A name | Sep 08 23:47 |
| schestowitz | cycling | Sep 08 23:47 |
| _Goblin | Firefox :( | Sep 08 23:50 |
| _Goblin | nah not for me... | Sep 08 23:50 |
| _Goblin | hasn't been since 2009?ish | Sep 08 23:50 |
| _Goblin | I use IE6 | Sep 08 23:50 |
| _Goblin | ;) | Sep 08 23:50 |
| abushcrafter | what no you cant | Sep 08 23:50 |
| abushcrafter | shock | Sep 08 23:50 |
| _Goblin | why not....? its great. | Sep 08 23:51 |
| schestowitz | "Android port for HP TouchPad making progress" | Sep 08 23:51 |
| schestowitz | LOOL Macro-sfot | Sep 08 23:51 |
| abushcrafter | I have fainted | Sep 08 23:51 |
| schestowitz | "Macrosoft Inc. @Macrosoft_Inc is now following you (@schestowitz). " | Sep 08 23:51 |
| _Goblin | And that Vista..... | Sep 08 23:51 |
| _Goblin | well its just the business. | Sep 08 23:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Android port for #HP #TouchPad making progress http://ur1.ca/51bhs | Sep 08 23:52 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Android port for HP TouchPad making progress - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 39.42 KB | Sep 08 23:52 |
| _Goblin | Vista/IE6 and no firewall....what a happy computing partnership | Sep 08 23:52 |
| _Goblin | abushcrafter: I hope you have gathered I am joking..... | Sep 08 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Not much much | Sep 08 23:53 |
| abushcrafter | i know | Sep 08 23:53 |
| _Goblin | :) | Sep 08 23:53 |
| schestowitz | $emoployer uses IE and win32 | Sep 08 23:53 |
| _Goblin | we use IE6 still at work.... | Sep 08 23:53 |
| schestowitz | to be compatible with 2 millions bit of malware + variants | Sep 08 23:54 |
| _Goblin | of course.....its malware-diversity | Sep 08 23:54 |
| schestowitz | The People's Choise, 2011 | Sep 08 23:54 |
| abushcrafter | though perhaps I ran out of ram. I have 1gb. 500mb swap. so could the system have failed to free up some more ram by trasfring some to swap in time. Or was is the odd accidental key press's I did? oh well | Sep 08 23:54 |
| _Goblin | latest buzzword in political correctness | Sep 08 23:54 |
| schestowitz | *ce | Sep 08 23:54 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: PC | Sep 08 23:54 |
| schestowitz | I hard this abbeviation today | Sep 08 23:54 |
| schestowitz | big debate in yiutube tese days about race | Sep 08 23:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnhVdj6lQoI&feature=digest_refresh_mon | Sep 08 23:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: My Segregation Application Form - YouTube .::. Size~: 93.36 KB | Sep 08 23:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbb2DtUeKpU&feature=digest_refresh_mon | Sep 08 23:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Racists... Deserving Pariahs - YouTube .::. Size~: 110.09 KB | Sep 08 23:55 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/83164893 | Sep 08 23:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Gordon Sinclair (thistleweb)'s status on Thursday, 08-Sep-11 22:50:35 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz "trusted role in British national life" like allying with #Phorm to spy on customers for profit #BT | Sep 08 23:56 |
| _Goblin | abushcrafter: Where abouts you from in the UK? Don't have to be specific, just rough area.... | Sep 08 23:57 |
| abushcrafter | bucks | Sep 08 23:57 |
| _Goblin | really? | Sep 08 23:57 |
| _Goblin | cool | Sep 08 23:57 |
| _Goblin | beds here | Sep 08 23:57 |
| abushcrafter | need to look at map | Sep 08 23:57 |
| _Goblin | Nr Harpenden | Sep 08 23:58 |
| _Goblin | or St Albans | Sep 08 23:58 |
| _Goblin | or Luton | Sep 08 23:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbb2DtUeKpU&feature=digest_refresh_mon | Sep 08 23:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Racists... Deserving Pariahs - YouTube .::. Size~: 106.76 KB | Sep 08 23:58 |
| abushcrafter | ie6 at work! I would quit. Sorry done a bit with website design. | Sep 08 23:58 |
| schestowitz | hehe | Sep 08 23:59 |
| schestowitz | ie6 | Sep 08 23:59 |
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