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schestowitzabushcrafter: it's mostly gor SIPSep 10 00:00
schestowitz*forSep 10 00:00
abushcrafterYes but that does not mean it can't be used for podcastsSep 10 00:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @wikileaks2 We're fund-raising. You can book a talk from Julian Assange (sat from house arrest) here: http://t.co/Og78toHSep 10 00:00
TechrightsBot-tr@: Sep 10 00:00
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/83261160Sep 10 00:00
TechrightsBot-tr@Danny (tekk)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-11 22:52:45 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I was questioning the release of 5 anyway. 3 series lasted what, 6 years?Sep 10 00:01
abushcrafterIt's a popular use for it.Sep 10 00:01
schestowitzre "#KDE insists that #KDE5 is not really KDE5 but a framework aside... well, the X in 4.X releases soon exceeds 9."Sep 10 00:01
schestowitzabushcrafter: for a reasonSep 10 00:02
abushcrafterWhich it is very good at.Sep 10 00:02
schestowitzIt now takes about 1.5 hours to encode each file on dual-coreSep 10 00:02
schestowitzmaking another file would require showing interestSep 10 00:02
schestowitzThe low-quality mp3 file is about 8 mb/hourSep 10 00:02
schestowitzand the quality is decentSep 10 00:02
schestowitzfor music tooSep 10 00:02
abushcrafterOuch. Still getting data...Sep 10 00:02
schestowitzwhat data?Sep 10 00:03
MinceRgnSep 10 00:03
schestowitznnSep 10 00:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/112297621112094720Sep 10 00:03
TechrightsBot-tr@wikileaks: We're fund-raising. You can book a talk from Julian Assange (sat from house arrest) here: http://t.co/Og78toHSep 10 00:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk Birds fly into windows all the time... its why skycaraper windows are often decorated with hawk silhouettes. It's a biggie.Sep 10 00:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stumbles/@stumbles] Just finished a fun five weeks teaching programming and #Python to year 11s at Brunswick Secondary College.Sep 10 00:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk Birds can see really well. They can catch bugs in flight; they can see #windmills. I can't see it as a problem at all really. FUDSep 10 00:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Next week we'll have some different focus in #cablegate analyses. We've only gone through 0.1% of the whole. !techrightsSep 10 00:05
abushcrafterMusic encoded at Q10 is a little bit worser that mp3 Q9Sep 10 00:06
XFaCEHi jonoSep 10 00:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz Next week we'll have some different focus in #cablegate analyses. We've only gone through 0.1% of the whole. !techrightsSep 10 00:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] How did Bruce Willis make a living in the film industry?Sep 10 00:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] For Remembrance Day - Heather Borean performing Unknown Canadian Soldier: http://youtu.be/0mcpnIKXTB8 #folkmusic #canadiana #greatmusicSep 10 00:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Unknown Canadian Soldier       - YouTube .::. Size~: 80.59 KBSep 10 00:07
jonohi XFaCESep 10 00:07
schestowitz oddly enough I got some mass-mailed message regarding 9/11 from meetup.com today. Never got message from them in 5 years!Sep 10 00:07
XFaCEjono: Do you follow Xubuntu?Sep 10 00:07
schestowitzXFaCE: Jono is BUSY !!!Sep 10 00:07
jonoXFaCE, yepSep 10 00:07
jonobut I am busy, as schestowitz says :-)Sep 10 00:08
schestowitz:-)Sep 10 00:08
XFaCEok, not a joke then. :PSep 10 00:08
schestowitzit was a jokeSep 10 00:08
schestowitzmore like banterSep 10 00:08
XFaCEok, doesn't really work as I am clueless of the context.Sep 10 00:08
sebsebsebschestowitz: 9/11 stuff hmm, just seen some, News Night was dedicated to thatSep 10 00:08
schestowitzbl;echSep 10 00:08
sebsebsebfrom New York as well thist imeSep 10 00:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @magicfab Speaking of avoiding SaaS services, is there a FLOSS alternative to meetup.com ? #free !#sf #autonomousSep 10 00:09
schestowitzI'll keep my telly shut... h wait.. I got rid of my telly years agoSep 10 00:09
DaemonFCUnspecified threatSep 10 00:09
DaemonFCred alertSep 10 00:09
sebsebsebschestowitz: yeah TV been  going on about it a lot this weekSep 10 00:09
DaemonFCpolarize the hull plating and load photonic torpedoes Sep 10 00:09
DaemonFCphase cannons on standbySep 10 00:09
DaemonFCB-)Sep 10 00:09
schestowitzyearning for more mass-suicide attack those politiciansSep 10 00:09
schestowitzStill hanging on to 2001Sep 10 00:09
schestowitzFor us to be fearful and thus obedienceSep 10 00:10
sebsebsebso is most of the world when it comes to  computers, yep WIndows XPSep 10 00:10
sebsebsebmost computer usersSep 10 00:10
sebsebsebabove I meanSep 10 00:10
XFaCEDaemonFC: Why do you use port 7070 for IRC and not simply 7000?Sep 10 00:10
schestowitz10 years since 9/11 is actually proof that we are quite safeSep 10 00:10
abushcrafterIs it just the music at the beginning? If so that is crucifiable in my opinion. Though you could have a HTML5 player that automatically switches between speex and ogg. now to compleate cheaking/reminding myself on speex bowser supportSep 10 00:10
DaemonFCXFaCE: Just becauseSep 10 00:10
sebsebsebschestowitz: oh, but there's an idea, that there will be another attackSep 10 00:10
schestowitzif for 10 years no major incident except MASSIVE Iraq war has happenedSep 10 00:10
sebsebsebsoonSep 10 00:10
DaemonFCit drives my ISP crazySep 10 00:10
schestowitzAhnd it was invoked by Western terrorismSep 10 00:10
schestowitzBased on a lieSep 10 00:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stumbles/@stumbles] Melbourne Free Software discussion on this Thurs 15 Sept. This month, my favorite free software games. http://ur1.ca/saq5Sep 10 00:10
XFaCEDaemonFC: Does it matter otherwise?Sep 10 00:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Melbourne free software interest group .::. Size~: 4.87 KBSep 10 00:10
schestowitzMore people die from cancer every day than people who died in 9/11Sep 10 00:10
schestowitzHow about a War on Cancer?Sep 10 00:11
schestowitzCheaper than multi-trillion dollar wars and many kids "in parts"Sep 10 00:11
schestowitzsebsebseb: thee are always attacksSep 10 00:12
schestowitzLike from people who claim he war will endSep 10 00:12
schestowitzand then cling onto something someone sawSep 10 00:13
schestowitzto claim it almost endedSep 10 00:13
schestowitzThey're badly drawn on cardSep 10 00:13
schestowitz*cardsSep 10 00:13
XFaCEDaemonFC: Is it more/less secure?  Do you know many things I don't?Sep 10 00:13
schestowitzSo they want all those whom they hate to die with themSep 10 00:13
schestowitzAnd maybe have a wasteland apocalyptic scenario in which to have a lawless anarchic state where they can stone people they don;t llke without getting arrestedSep 10 00:14
DaemonFCXFaCE: it's just one of the two ports Freenode supports SSL onSep 10 00:14
DaemonFCI don't know why I went with 7070, I just didSep 10 00:14
DaemonFC:)Sep 10 00:14
XFaCEokSep 10 00:14
XFaCEthanks for clarifyingSep 10 00:14
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XFaCEDaemonFC: Also, can you make more email commentary posts?  They're hilarious.Sep 10 00:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @wayneborean Moving. I look forward to the day when soldiers are not needed.Sep 10 00:15
DaemonFCwell, I can only comment to stupidity as it happensSep 10 00:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks news update http://t.co/9YoiVNASep 10 00:17
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schestowitzhttp://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/workshop-%e2%80%9cstandards-in-the-cloud-a-transatlantic-mindshare%e2%80%9d/Sep 10 00:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Workshop “Standards in the Cloud: a transatlantic mindshare” « Sköne Oke .::. Size~: 33.17 KBSep 10 00:21
schestowitzabushcrafter: are you tekk?Sep 10 00:21
schestowitzjust got this:Sep 10 00:21
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/83262385 http://identi.ca/notice/83262396Sep 10 00:22
TechrightsBot-tr@Danny (tekk)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-11 23:14:42 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz as a (if my random guess from a few seconds of podcast is right), you're a german(or the area) in the UK...Sep 10 00:22
TechrightsBot-tr@Danny (tekk)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-11 23:14:57 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz so why would you be interested O.o(ah, not even using the data you have on your own servers...)Sep 10 00:22
schestowitzhttp://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Šestajovice_u_JaroměřeSep 10 00:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Šestajovice u Jaroměře – Wikipedia .::. Size~: 38.65 KBSep 10 00:23
abushcrafterThere is a reference in the document "W3C - HTML5 - A vocabulary and associated APIs for HTML and XHTML - W3C Working Draft 4 March 2010" of" Speex audio alone in Ogg containerSep 10 00:23
abushcrafter    <source src='audio.spx' type='audio/ogg; codecs=speex'>"Sep 10 00:23
abushcrafterThats what I rememberdSep 10 00:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/homembit/status/112301087733710848Sep 10 00:23
TechrightsBot-tr@homembit: @schestowitz please be the first to read this: http://miud.in/VR8 (you'll enjoy that a lot !)Sep 10 00:23
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Microsoft’s attack on Brazilian national sovereignty: Wikileaks, Microsoft, ODF and OpenXML   | void life(void) .::. Size~: 25.1 KBSep 10 00:23
abushcrafterNeeded to find more info but never did.Sep 10 00:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @tekk http://ur1.ca/51sn0Sep 10 00:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @psquid: @thistleweb Timmeh!Sep 10 00:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Šestajovice u Jaroměře – Wikipedia .::. Size~: 38.65 KBSep 10 00:24
abushcrafterno thats not meSep 10 00:24
abushcrafterI use the same nameSep 10 00:24
abushcrafterI think browser support is pending. Can't remember my source.Sep 10 00:25
abushcrafterSo it would be very cutting edge. Sep 10 00:25
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schestowitzwhen it's used by people I can encode in itSep 10 00:30
schestowitzit already takes over 5 hoursSep 10 00:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Mostly pointless patent reform bill goes to Obama for signature http://ur1.ca/51snh Change we can all laugh at. #swpatsSep 10 00:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mostly pointless patent reform bill goes to Obama for signature .::. Size~: 36.29 KBSep 10 00:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Assigned the ISBN for Volume 3 of Copyright Wars #amwritingSep 10 00:32
schestowitzhuh? http://identi.ca/notice/83263097Sep 10 00:33
TechrightsBot-tr@Danny (tekk)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-11 23:29:15 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz ah, explains why it was so odd to me. don't think I've ever actually heard any czech accents before youSep 10 00:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Will Ubuntu #Linux Switch to a Monthly Release Cycle? http://tinyurl.com/3d4zf5hSep 10 00:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Will Ubuntu Linux Switch to a Monthly Release Cycle? | PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 80.11 KBSep 10 00:34
schestowitzI'm not czechSep 10 00:34
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/microsofts-online-services-briefly-go-dark/1437]Sep 10 00:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft’s online services briefly go dark | ZDNet .::. Size~: 108.52 KBSep 10 00:35
schestowitzLOLSep 10 00:35
schestowitzTypicalSep 10 00:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk haven't seen that. These days the only movies i see are usually remaindered or whatever Harold discontinues at the video store #cheapSep 10 00:37
DaemonFCOffice 364 and counting?Sep 10 00:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] sleep well @kevie (dream happy thoughts, not Brruce Willis films full of #violence)Sep 10 00:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] made me laugh, @bananabob http://identi.ca/notice/83263423Sep 10 00:39
TechrightsBot-tr@James Eaton (bananabob)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-11 23:35:37 UTC - Identi.ca: "Holy cow, it's bovine bingo" The strange things that pass as entertainment in !NZ !bananas   http://is.gd/QpFpPPSep 10 00:39
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: New Zealand, world, sport, business & entertainment news on Stuff.co.nz .::. Size~: 0.88 KBSep 10 00:39
abushcrafterbut if long term one could use it. It, I think you would save you a lot of bandwidth. Though I need to listen to a few pod's to know if it is just some music at the beginning and end or if you use all sorts of audio though-out the podcast. Remember GNU/Linux uses can use it. It just came to me, I have audio books on cds. ought to see how long it would take to encode my self. I shall now shutup and leave you in peace from speex.Sep 10 00:41
sebsebsebjono: Ubuntu isn't going to do a Firefox right? http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/239804/will_ubuntu_linux_switch_to_a_monthly_release_cycle.htmlSep 10 00:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Will Ubuntu Linux Switch to a Monthly Release Cycle? | PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 79.63 KBSep 10 00:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @araceletorres: Mas quem reza pelas vítimas no Iraque, Afeganistão, Oriente Médio? Por todas as vítimas da tirania norte-americana?Sep 10 00:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] RT @lxoliva @araceletorres: Mas quem reza pelas vítimas no Iraque, Afeganistão, Oriente Médio..todas as vítimas da tirania norte-americana?Sep 10 00:44
schestowitzoffice 360Sep 10 00:44
schestowitznow with office liveSep 10 00:44
schestowitzoffice 360 liveSep 10 00:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Xbox Live will soon be joined by Office 360 (365-5 days downtime) and Office Live -> Office Live 360? http://ur1.ca/51svbSep 10 00:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft’s online services briefly go dark | ZDNet .::. Size~: 127.69 KBSep 10 00:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Google's proprietary office suite is said to be accessible offline now too (still, files offsite) and with #ODF support http://ur1.ca/51sy4Sep 10 00:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Google adds offline support to Docs | thinq_ .::. Size~: 25.25 KBSep 10 00:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Germany Bans Samsung Galaxy Tab; Also Bans All TV Sets, Cars & Drinks http://j.mp/r1cLkG #hypepad #cult #appleSep 10 00:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Germany Bans Samsung Galaxy Tab; Also Bans All TV Sets, Cars & Drinks | MuckWatch.com .::. Size~: 12.09 KBSep 10 00:52
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/112309391897800704Sep 10 00:53
TechrightsBot-tr@swapnilbhartiya: Germany Bans Samsung Galaxy Tab; Also Bans All TV Sets, Cars & Drinks http://j.mp/r1cLkG @schestowitzSep 10 00:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Germany Bans Samsung Galaxy Tab; Also Bans All TV Sets, Cars & Drinks | MuckWatch.com .::. Size~: 12.09 KBSep 10 00:53
schestowitzfruitywareSep 10 00:53
schestowitzoh, that might be a nice one for use to look into, _Goblin http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/493974:podcasting-from-wordpressSep 10 01:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #FreeBSD 9.0 Beta 2 screenshots [img] http://ur1.ca/51t29Sep 10 01:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] !tzaf identizens (should have done this half an hour ago)Sep 10 01:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] The New Installer Of FreeBSD 9.0 .::. Size~: 19.26 KBSep 10 01:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Unnecessarily sensationalist headline from @phoronix http://ur1.ca/51t5x news is slow these days, but still...Sep 10 01:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 11.10 Power Consumption Up By As Much As ~50% .::. Size~: 18.66 KBSep 10 01:04
schestowitzhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20103854-94/samsung-were-not-buying-meego/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20Sep 10 01:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Samsung: We're not buying MeeGo | Wireless - CNET News .::. Size~: 66.04 KBSep 10 01:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] don't dream of electric sheep, @satipera :)Sep 10 01:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Samsung: We're not buying !MeeGo http://ur1.ca/51t9g #Amazon Should Buy #WebOS http://ur1.ca/51t9hSep 10 01:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Samsung: We're not buying MeeGo | Wireless - CNET News .::. Size~: 66.31 KBSep 10 01:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Amazon Should Buy WebOS .::. Size~: 172.78 KBSep 10 01:07
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XFaCEhi schestowitzSep 10 01:08
schestowitzhey mateSep 10 01:12
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XFaCEschestowitz: The wiki account still has the same nameSep 10 01:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 9/9/2011: NASA and Linux, Samsung Not Buying MeeGo http://ur1.ca/51tn6 !techrightsSep 10 01:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Links 9/9/2011: NASA and Linux, Samsung Not Buying MeeGo | Techrights .::. Size~: 102.53 KBSep 10 01:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 9/9/2011: NASA and Linux, Samsung Not Buying MeeGo http://ur1.ca/51tn6 #techrightsSep 10 01:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Links 9/9/2011: NASA and Linux, Samsung Not Buying MeeGo | Techrights .::. Size~: 102.53 KBSep 10 01:27
schestowitzitcarries edit historSep 10 01:28
schestowitzthus cannot be changedSep 10 01:28
schestowitzgnSep 10 01:28
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XFaCEgood night schestowitz, I understandSep 10 01:30
XFaCEhi Thistleweb, long time no text-based conversationSep 10 01:30
ThistleWebdo I know you?Sep 10 01:31
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GoForbes28yesSep 10 01:34
ThistleWebohSep 10 01:35
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XFaCEThistleweb: Decided a changeSep 10 01:48
XFaCEA PCLOS review had the guy calling XFCE "Xface", hence the inspirationSep 10 01:48
XFaCElolSep 10 01:49
XFaCEThistleweb: are you going to by on an IM anytime soon?Sep 10 01:49
XFaCEI find conversations with you quite enlighteningSep 10 01:49
ThistleWebI only log onto IM stuff when I arrange a convoSep 10 01:57
_Goblinthat was a long coffee....Sep 10 02:02
_Goblinback again....Sep 10 02:02
XFaCEhi _Goblin, you know who I amSep 10 02:02
XFaCEThistleweb: Saturday?Sep 10 02:02
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ThistleWebmaybeSep 10 02:04
_GoblinYeah....Sep 10 02:04
_GoblinI read about 6 lines aboveSep 10 02:04
DaemonFChttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/846090Sep 10 02:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Bug #846090 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu): “Free Software Only boot option does not work on current Lubuntu daily CD” .::. Size~: 37.45 KBSep 10 02:05
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XFaCEThistleweb: were you going to answer?Sep 10 02:11
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GoForbes28_Goblin: It's meSep 10 02:11
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ThistleWeb<ThistleWeb> maybeSep 10 02:11
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Ballmerthats me tooSep 10 02:11
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XFaCEThistleweb: Sorry, disconnected before I got your message; bad internetSep 10 02:12
XFaCE_Goblin: It makes perfect sense now!Sep 10 02:12
ThistleWebI also hide join / part / rename messagesSep 10 02:12
XFaCESeriously though, I am GoForbes28 with a name changeSep 10 02:12
DaemonFCyou forgot DEVELOPERS!!!!!Sep 10 02:13
XFaCE_Goblin: Ask me a question only I would know.Sep 10 02:13
DaemonFCeasy to spot the fake Sep 10 02:13
_GoblinEr....Sep 10 02:14
_Goblinright....Ive lost the plot....Sep 10 02:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Sex, Drugs... And Facebook? Moral Panic Police Blaming Social Networks For Kids Being Kids http://goo.gl/IAGGf #facebook #diasporaSep 10 02:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] House passes resolution to give the finger to everyone that died on or responded to 9/11 http://is.gd/ld0WgCSep 10 02:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Microsoft online services hit by major failure - http://goo.gl/MD5Sb ---Question is, would anyone notice? ;) #microsoft #windows #failSep 10 02:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] EU Officially Seizes The Public Domain, Retroactively Extends Copyright http://is.gd/2tgqftSep 10 02:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: House passes resolution to ‘never forget’ 9/11 |  The Raw Story .::. Size~: 55.56 KBSep 10 02:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BBC News - Microsoft online services hit by major failure .::. Size~: 64.35 KBSep 10 02:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: EU Officially Seizes The Public Domain, Retroactively Extends Copyright | Techdirt .::. Size~: 149.2 KBSep 10 02:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Google lawyer dumbs down the !Java case for jurors because Oracle loves to use big words http://is.gd/Xg7YbrSep 10 02:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Well I stuck an HDMI cable from the laptop to a bog standard lcd telly. The result of which is I am not very happy with laptop display.Sep 10 02:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Even More worrying my working !linux laptop does not appear over HDMI onto the telly.Sep 10 02:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Interesting. RT gave different dates for both the first and second world war.Sep 10 02:35
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XFaCEI missed a lot of good messages didn't I?Sep 10 02:36
DaemonFCI'm downloading a Fedora 16 nightly with LXDE nowSep 10 02:37
DaemonFCsee if they did any betterSep 10 02:37
XFaCELXDE? Ick.  Why not XFCE?Sep 10 02:37
DaemonFCtoo fatSep 10 02:37
XFaCEBS.Sep 10 02:37
DaemonFCif you use XFCE lately you're only a stone's throw from KDE Sep 10 02:38
DaemonFCin resource useSep 10 02:38
XFaCEAs I said before, it;s only because it's bundled with unnessary crapSep 10 02:38
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XFaCEAla GNOME libraries, etc.Sep 10 02:38
DaemonFCthe Ubuntu version is probably not a good reference Sep 10 02:38
ThistleWebsome xfce distros do make it kinda heavySep 10 02:38
DaemonFCindicators and that software center nonsense Sep 10 02:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @clacke "Michael Hart: Prophet of Abundance" http://ur1.ca/51nfu @glynmoody takes a look back at one of the true pioneers of free kno ...Sep 10 02:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Michael Hart (1947 - 2011): Prophet of Abundance - Open Enterprise .::. Size~: 84.28 KBSep 10 02:39
ThistleWebyeah xubuntu and the ubuntu based mint xfce are not that far away from gnomeSep 10 02:39
XFaCEDaemonFC: Xubuntu has gotten better, ever since the Distrowatch storySep 10 02:39
XFaCEwhich compared Debian XFCE and XubuntuSep 10 02:39
DaemonFCwhich story was that?Sep 10 02:39
XFaCE!google distrowatch debian xfce xubuntu 8Sep 10 02:39
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Xubuntu 9.04 vs Debian 5.0.1 Xfce | http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php%3Fissue%3D20090427Sep 10 02:39
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - DistroWatch.com: Xubuntu | http://distrowatch.com/xubuntuSep 10 02:39
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Xubuntu vs. Debian Xfce Distrowatch articles (Page 1) - Off Topic ... | http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/2625/xubuntu-vs-debian-xfce-distrowatch-articles/Sep 10 02:39
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Goodbye, Microsoft®: Xubuntu vs. Debian Xfce | http://www.goodbyemicrosoft.net/news.php%3Fitem.467.9Sep 10 02:39
ThistleWebxubuntu is pretty decent, it's quite heavy thoughSep 10 02:40
DaemonFChttp://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090504#featureSep 10 02:40
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XFaCEThistleWeb: At least they don't include so many GNOME components or MonoSep 10 02:40
DaemonFCthis one?Sep 10 02:40
XFaCEbetter, but not perfectSep 10 02:41
XFaCEyeahSep 10 02:41
XFaCE(DaemonFC)Sep 10 02:41
ThistleWebthe ubuntu based mint does have gnome stuffSep 10 02:41
XFaCELooks like you'll have to Google Cache :SSep 10 02:41
XFaCEThe mint Xfce debian edition was insane in terms of bloatSep 10 02:41
ThistleWebthat's the last LTS mint xfce though, they've switched to debian basedSep 10 02:41
DaemonFCouchSep 10 02:42
XFaCEI got as far as the live cdSep 10 02:42
DaemonFCXubuntu is a pigSep 10 02:42
XFaCEBetter now, though not perfect.Sep 10 02:42
ThistleWebnot sure about that, although the mint menu is a gnome panel applet and about 40mbSep 10 02:42
XFaCEI meant in terms of install applications and GNOMe componentsSep 10 02:42
ThistleWebswitch that out and you drastically reduce the bloatSep 10 02:42
XFaCEand it include MonoSep 10 02:43
DaemonFCwell a lot of the GNOME components are even less appealing nowSep 10 02:43
DaemonFCsince they have more GNOME dependencies than everSep 10 02:43
DaemonFCand they all need GTK 3Sep 10 02:43
XFaCEThistleWeb: True, but plain vanilla Debian Testing/Sid can allow me to start off with less to begin withSep 10 02:43
ThistleWebmint is aimed at being user freindly, stuff ready and listening out of the box, not lightweightSep 10 02:43
ThistleWebof courseSep 10 02:43
XFaCEThistleWeb: Of courseSep 10 02:43
ThistleWebmint is a heavier distro, but that said, they are snappier than they have any right to beSep 10 02:44
XFaCEDaemonFC: I looked at a GNOME 3 review.  Icky, makes LXDE look good. :)Sep 10 02:44
DaemonFCGNOME 3 is a ZOMGWTFBBQSep 10 02:44
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XFaCEThistleWeb: I can understand the target audience, but the implementation is so Windows 7/Vista, bundle everythingSep 10 02:45
XFaCEAt least with Mint you can actually remove components rather than just simply hide themSep 10 02:45
ThistleWebit does have stuff like bluetooth enabled by default yesSep 10 02:45
XFaCEThistleWeb: It's a good looking distro for sure.Sep 10 02:46
ThistleWebI usually work through and disable extra stuff that I don't needSep 10 02:46
ThistleWebubuntu is the same in that respectSep 10 02:46
XFaCEThistleweb: That can work.  I just for once want to start smallSep 10 02:46
ThistleWeblots of daemons enabled to detect and do stuff for the average joe, but it all adds up for those who don't need itSep 10 02:47
XFaCEThistleWeb: But not to the level of Arch or Slackware. Let alone Gentoo. :PSep 10 02:47
ThistleWebit's a different audience, in those distros you have to manually add what you needSep 10 02:47
XFaCEYep.  Sounds good on paper, but doesn't work for me in practice.Sep 10 02:48
XFaCEDebian is a nice middle groundSep 10 02:48
XFaCEsome hand holding, but still quite dynamicSep 10 02:48
ThistleWebbottom line is if you want that functionality, it comes with some resource costSep 10 02:49
ThistleWebno matter what OS you haveSep 10 02:49
XFaCEThistleWeb; Between Mint and Xubuntu though, I think Xubuntu comes closer to the goal of a true spirit XFCE distroSep 10 02:49
XFaCEthat is easy to useSep 10 02:49
XFaCEThistleWeb: AbsolutelySep 10 02:50
XFaCEIt's a matter of compromisesSep 10 02:50
XFaCEupdating from the command line vs. GUISep 10 02:50
XFaCEetc.Sep 10 02:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] WikiLeaks Cable dictates Canadian Copyright Law C-32: http://is.gd/JJSRTd #wikileaks #cables #c32 #copyright #wl #copyrightforartistsSep 10 02:50
ThistleWebit's the same idea as a standard install blasted to the HD, or a netinstall that polls your hardware and gives you only what you needSep 10 02:50
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ThistleWebmint has a lot going for it, but it's kinda lost it's way in recent releasesSep 10 02:51
ThistleWebit will pull through, but for now it's less than I'd expectSep 10 02:51
XFaCErbSep 10 02:51
XFaCEbrbSep 10 02:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @schestowitz: #Germany Bans Samsung Galaxy Tab; Also Bans All TV Sets, Cars & Drinks http://j.mp/r1cLkG #hypepad #cult #appleSep 10 02:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @jessenovels FIGHTING FOR A REASON when looking for a reason to live sometimes you look for it in blood & bones wp.me/p8Pv4-lN #poetrySep 10 02:57
DaemonFCI never noticed, but Ubuntu used to have a link to the FSF in FirefoxSep 10 02:58
DaemonFCthey removed itSep 10 02:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @AntoniaZ !Canada unprepared for Arctic Oil spill Pew Environment grp says http://ur1.ca/51vf4 !cdnpoli #drillbabydrill via @PopeShakeySep 10 03:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] change to 224 color tux; have to rebuild entire kernel....on 500 mhz......aren't makefiles supposed to avoid this?Sep 10 03:07
DaemonFCI noticed Lancelot takes quit a lot of RAMSep 10 03:11
DaemonFC~40 MBSep 10 03:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @cwebber @mattl NC = No-Community, ND = No-DialogueSep 10 03:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Typical #USA - !Canada relations? David Frum: Why Bush didn’t mention Canada in 9/20 speech http://ur1.ca/51vls !cdnpoli #taken4granted #warSep 10 03:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: David Frum: Why Bush didn’t mention Canada in his 9/20 speech | Full Comment | National Post .::. Size~: 71.25 KBSep 10 03:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @jessenovels RED MOON voice actors/comic artist /musicians needed 4 this new project. Locked: Loren Boyer & Kitty Starr @Redmoon_2012Sep 10 03:24
DaemonFC[22:01] <Getty> but he cant just "standard way" shit in your faceSep 10 03:54
DaemonFC[22:21] <-- marenostrum has left this server (Quit: Leaving).Sep 10 03:54
DaemonFC[22:50] <DaemonFC> Getty: If someone shits in my face, I want them to do it in a standard way, if they do it in a proprietary way it will really annoy meSep 10 03:54
DaemonFC[22:51] <DaemonFC> in fact, call up the ISO, I think I have a few million dollars in bribe money for themSep 10 03:54
DaemonFC[22:51] <DaemonFC> we'll get this rammed throughSep 10 03:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Judge Sanctions Copyright Troll Attorney in EFF case for "Staggering Chutzpah" https://eff.org/r.B8HSep 10 04:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] Spread the word: now that it's been 10 years, it's officially a #PostPost911World. The war on sanity is over!Sep 10 04:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: Judge Sanctions Copyright Troll Attorney in EFF case for "Staggering Chutzpah" https://eff.org/r.B8HSep 10 04:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @eff Judge Sanctions Copyright Troll Attorney in EFF case for "Staggering Chutzpah" https://eff.org/r.B8HSep 10 04:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] "$20,000 Open Textbook Challenge from the Saylor Foundation" - https://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/28893 #fbSep 10 05:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "Biological imperative forces Oscar to increase his pace. He doesn’t catch up exactly..." ... Saturday's !InconstantMoon http://ur1.ca/51wojSep 10 05:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @eebrah RD: @schestowitz: ♻ @anivar: Oscar-Winning Video Editor ‘Lightworks’ To Land On Linux In December http://t.co/gPshBg8 /cc @nj3maSep 10 05:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @eebrah "As long as you have a good browser, your device won't become a brick." > http://nd.gd/wg #web #Apps #opera #mini /cc @nj3ma ...Sep 10 05:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @eebrah @nj3ma Though this may be of interest to you ... and your fast internet :P > http://nd.gd/whSep 10 05:25
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: To Five Smashing Years… And A Free Anniversary eBook Treat! - Smashing Magazine .::. Size~: 463.09 KBSep 10 05:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] in the future we'll all be using hurd running on top of an exokernel virtualizing plan9 which runs only google uraniumSep 10 05:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] RT @chrisjrn: Going to #lca2012? Have an interesting developer-related topic to talk about? http://t.co/1bgsmAx #php #pythonSep 10 05:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @tekk !linuxlibre makes minimal changes to make it FSDG-compliant, but we have a patch that adds the 100% GNU/Freedo logo and KconfigSep 10 06:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @tekk look no more: http://fsfla.org/svn/fsfla/software/linux-libre/lemote/gnewsense/branches/3.0/100gnu+freedo.patch :-)Sep 10 06:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good night !identiverse !tzagSep 10 07:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] or !tzaf <too tired 2 dentSep 10 07:45
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/83266314Sep 10 08:07
TechrightsBot-tr@Stefan (faither)'s status on Saturday, 10-Sep-11 00:26:07 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Not only do we have weather like in April over here atm but this really smells like a belated April's fools prank -.-'Sep 10 08:07
schestowitzit isSep 10 08:08
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/83267356Sep 10 08:08
TechrightsBot-tr@Claudio (claudiom)'s status on Saturday, 10-Sep-11 00:43:41 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz LOL! Nah, more casual than that. No Tux required & margaritas for two & dinner to boot. ;-)Sep 10 08:08
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/83267562Sep 10 08:09
TechrightsBot-tr@Ellie Kesselman (elliek)'s status on Saturday, 10-Sep-11 00:47:32 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Misread as @moronix re fear-mongering  that Ubuntu power usage up ~ 50%. It isn't even a slow news day e.g. NBCnews hackSep 10 08:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] !tzag !identiverse, good morning to people in or near my timezone :)Sep 10 08:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] I agree with #Mozilla; precautions and measures are needed for #CA certificate issuanceSep 10 08:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Chumby preps IPTV set-top that uses Android devices as remote http://ur1.ca/51xhf #linux at all endsSep 10 08:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Chumby preps IPTV set-top that uses Android devices as remote - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 58.26 KBSep 10 08:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Student facing extradition to US over TV website is bailed - http://tgr.ph/qeZI19 good to see TV-Links case being mentioned #odwyerSep 10 09:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Student facing extradition to US over TV website is bailed - Telegraph .::. Size~: 57.45 KBSep 10 09:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Sacrificing gratis for libre http://ur1.ca/51xjm #foss #freedomSep 10 09:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Thoughts on Linux: Sacrificing gratis for libre .::. Size~: 54.34 KBSep 10 09:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @JLBMedia #BART cops are telling journalists to leave or be arrested...I can't support that. #opBART // #fascism is entrenched in USA nowSep 10 09:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Vanishing Shangri-La - http://bit.ly/p4xZCb really depressing #china #tibetSep 10 09:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Vanishing Shangri-La: tourism and tension in Yunnan’s Meili Snow Mountains | chinadialogue .::. Size~: 36.06 KBSep 10 09:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] "Unemployed lumberjacks are sawing the legs off chairs because they have nothing better to do."Sep 10 09:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @einfeldt ♻ @ @rtaibah: Android to overtake Apple in app downloads | News - Wireless - CNET News http://t.co/aAbZ7aPSep 10 09:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Microsoft’s attack on Brazilian national sovereignty: Wikileaks, #ODF and OpenXML - http://bit.ly/qFtrYc more on disgraceful sagaSep 10 09:17
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schestowitzre germany https://identi.ca/notice/83291667Sep 10 09:21
TechrightsBot-tr@satipera (satipera)'s status on Saturday, 10-Sep-11 08:12:05 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Yes, but so does a sensible social and education policy.Sep 10 09:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @einfeldt ♻ @SenatorSanders: Corporations today are making record profits while their effective tax rate is at or near a 60-year low.Sep 10 09:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Natural Gas Bombshell: Switching From Coal to Gas Increases Warming for Decades, Has Minimal Benefit Even in 2100 - http://bit.ly/n8v2vdSep 10 09:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Monsanto Denies Superinsect Science - http://bit.ly/pbMTYK the usual denial of evolution: maybe its run by creationists?Sep 10 09:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Entire staff of TechCrunch threatening to commit suicide unless Arrington gets his way, on everything, forever - http://bit.ly/raXaNf ha!Sep 10 09:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Entire staff of TechCrunch now threatening to commit mass suicide unless Michael Arrington gets his way, on everything, forever | Real Dan Lyons Web Site .::. Size~: 61.45 KBSep 10 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Monsanto Denies Superinsect Science - bit.ly/pbMTYK the usual denial of evolution: maybe it's run by creationists?Sep 10 09:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Intel Still MeeGos, #Apple Loses Again, #Yahoo Presents 'The Charlie Sheen Show' http://ur1.ca/51xm4Sep 10 09:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] You must have a #Klout score of 40 or more to get into this Fashion’s Night Out party - http://tnw.co/oVZyjZ hmm, our reputational future?Sep 10 09:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: You must have a Klout score of 40 or more to get into this Fashion's Night Out party .::. Size~: 91.39 KBSep 10 09:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @glynmoody: #Monsanto Denies Superinsect Science - bit.ly/pbMTYK the usual denial of evolution: maybe it's run by creationists?Sep 10 09:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] SoliloquySep 10 09:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] If A Kid Grabs Your Camera In The Street And Snaps Some Photos, Who Owns The #Copyright - http://bit.ly/qQx7sN absurd it has to be askedSep 10 09:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A Tipping Point of Print Quality (Open Source for the win) - http://bit.ly/ofshel the irresistible rise of #RepRap #3dprintersSep 10 09:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: If A Kid Grabs Your Camera In The Street And Snaps Some Photos, Who Owns The Copyright | Techdirt .::. Size~: 69.16 KBSep 10 09:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: RepRap: Blog: A Tipping Point of Print Quality (Open Source for the win) .::. Size~: 25.26 KBSep 10 09:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] AOL Eyes Merger With Yahoo - http://on.mash.to/pFghza AOL-Time-Warner 2.0? truly a disaster made in heaven...Sep 10 09:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: AOL Eyes Merger With Yahoo [REPORT] .::. Size~: 139.71 KBSep 10 09:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Nice to see rapid progress with 3d printing. http://blog.reprap.org/2011/09/tipping-point-of-print-quality-open.html #fbSep 10 09:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz #Intel Still MeeGos, #Apple Loses Again, #Yahoo Presents 'The Charlie Sheen Show' http://ur1.ca/51xm4Sep 10 09:59
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schestowitzStereotypes http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr54sjBIEF1qcwni9o1_500.jpgSep 10 10:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why should open geospatial data and software be taken seriously? - http://bit.ly/qTi0Fc useful intro #opendata #opengeoSep 10 10:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The LazyBoy 6000 [IMG] http://i.imgur.com/fyNUf.jpgSep 10 10:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Is #Android forking – and does it matter? - http://bit.ly/rgwBvg lots of big moves happening here - notably in #chinaSep 10 10:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Is Android forking – and does it matter? - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 42.89 KBSep 10 10:10
schestowitzhttp://wimp.com/guyscartoon/Sep 10 10:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Just weird: Guys vs. Cartoon. [VIDEO] .::. Size~: 9.24 KBSep 10 10:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] “Hiring Was Easy After We Open-sourced Our Code” [ERPNext, Open Source ERP Solution] - http://bit.ly/qw22Hp interesting effectSep 10 10:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] LexisNexis open sources code for #Hadoop alternative - http://bit.ly/oeUhqY “We’re now really open source"Sep 10 10:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Intel Not Selling !MeeGo, Says Manager http://ur1.ca/51xsrSep 10 10:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] LibreOffice Portable 3.4.3 available: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/portable/3.4.3/ !libo !tdfSep 10 10:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Righthaven: We Might Have To Declare Bankruptcy - http://bit.ly/pxiqCN what a bunch of jokers #copyrightSep 10 10:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @docufoundation LibreOffice Portable 3.4.3 available: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/portable/3.4.3/ !libo !tdfSep 10 10:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Index of /libreoffice/portable/3.4.3 .::. Size~: 3.73 KBSep 10 10:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] http://www.cablegatesearch.net/search.php?q=kroes+microsoft&sort=1 interesting cables. #justsayinSep 10 10:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cablegate's cables: Full-text search for “kroes microsoft” .::. Size~: 21.88 KBSep 10 10:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] As has been noticed by many I get to the MS desktop and nothing works for a while. #windozeSep 10 10:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] We all knew that MSFT would fight hard against ODF. But calling it an un-american standard? Geez. http://homembit.com/2... http://b1t.it/AVTSep 10 10:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Applications, Riding High on #Linux http://ur1.ca/51xva "Linux adoption rates in the enterprise have increased considerably."Sep 10 10:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @reality: ..Ayah! But really, I thought Ruby was supposed to be able to seduce all with its dynamic, limpid pools of syntactic sexyness?Sep 10 10:44
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/CajunTechie/statuses/112454719049433088Sep 10 10:47
TechrightsBot-tr@CajunTechie: It's just a matter of time I'm afraid. It'll get the axe. RT @schestowitz: #Intel Not Selling #MeeGo, Says Manager http://t.co/Cp7c8BfSep 10 10:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Moving around in Metro 2033 does not feel good. I will investigate further.Sep 10 11:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] When you realise competition is shite, cooperate or buy a politician. #politicsSep 10 11:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @satipera When you realise competition is shite, cooperate or buy a politician. #politicsSep 10 11:15
MinceRhttp://redd.it/kalftSep 10 11:16
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MinceRhm, that bot used to be able to handle short reddit urlsSep 10 11:16
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DaemonFCdoes.....not.....compute....Sep 10 11:27
DaemonFC*cough* *hack* *sputter*Sep 10 11:27
DaemonFC*sing Daisy Bell*Sep 10 11:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] My laptop transformer gets so hot that I do not like to leave it horizontal. This involves slotting it vertically into polystyrene.Sep 10 11:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] I hate it when this happensSep 10 11:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @reality @joshix Shut your cavernously incurvated face.Sep 10 11:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] [ #PHOTO ] Free #Software in #Romania: "Informatica la Castel" Summer School http://tinyurl.com/3gwtjeq #gnu #linux #egovt #foss #microsoftSep 10 11:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: "Informatica la Castel" Free Software Summer School, 2011 edition, Romania | Blogul lui Răzvan .::. Size~: 126.54 KBSep 10 11:32
iophkhttp://homembit.com/2011/09/microsofts-attack-on-brazilian-national-sovereignty-wikileaks-microsoft-odf-and-openxml.htmlSep 10 11:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Eye candy.Sep 10 11:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft’s attack on Brazilian national sovereignty: Wikileaks, Microsoft, ODF and OpenXML   | void life(void) .::. Size~: 26.1 KBSep 10 11:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @danishka LibreOffice Portable 3.4.3 available: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/portable/3.4.3/ !libo !tdfSep 10 11:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz Applications, Riding High on #Linux http://ur1.ca/51xva "Linux adoption rates in the enterprise have increased considera ...Sep 10 11:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @jwildeboer We all knew that MSFT would fight hard against ODF. But calling it an un-american standard? Geez. http://homembit.com/2.. ...Sep 10 11:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz #Intel Not Selling !MeeGo, Says Manager http://ur1.ca/51xsrSep 10 11:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Index of /libreoffice/portable/3.4.3 .::. Size~: 3.73 KBSep 10 11:39
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: AnandTech     - Intel Not Selling MeeGo, Says Manager .::. Size~: 41.77 KBSep 10 11:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] AP review finds no threatened US State Department informants http://t.co/3mMhPBESep 10 11:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @glynmoody AOL Eyes Merger With Yahoo - http://on.mash.to/pFghza AOL-Time-Warner 2.0? truly a disaster made in heaven...Sep 10 11:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: AOL Eyes Merger With Yahoo [REPORT] .::. Size~: 139.86 KBSep 10 11:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Cables point to Indonesian State Intelligence role in murder of human rights campaigner http://t.co/XMLpEHASep 10 12:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] feverishSep 10 12:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Können bitte alle Konzertbesucher eine Wunderkerzenapp installieren? So retro-mässig? Euer Geblitze und Handyhochhalt... http://b1t.it/AW1Sep 10 12:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - Können bitte alle Konzertbesucher eine Wunderkerzenapp… .::. Size~: 37.93 KBSep 10 12:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Cablegate2 and the Records Continuum http://t.co/MmR8wJgSep 10 12:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Home office is paying Afghans to produce poppies. Sensible intermediate measure but it will not go down well with some.Sep 10 12:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] @nj3ma Howdy!Sep 10 12:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] !capitalism is killing nationalism but there could be a backlash.Sep 10 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Old politicians never die they become well paid lobbyists. #corruptionSep 10 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks affect in Kashmir | Tehelka http://t.co/ATrGMpzSep 10 12:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] 10th anniversary of 3,000 people being killed. Small beer compared to what NATO does.Sep 10 12:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Some arse on the telly. "It is very good than Bin Laden is dead"Sep 10 12:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] "The Europeans and other left people"Sep 10 12:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Nice one via +Foo Haa - http://www.microsoft.ba - made me LOL.Sep 10 12:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: microsoft.ba .::. Size~: 0.33 KBSep 10 12:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I hear so much **** on the telly maybe the best place for it is the bathroom.Sep 10 13:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Senseo + Nicotine + Sun == quite nice.Sep 10 13:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: US lobbied against breastfeeding in the Philippines http://t.co/YyZTTuF | ABSCBNews #newsSep 10 13:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] "Informatica la Castel" Free Software Summer School, 2011 edition, #Romania - http://bit.ly/oXC3eS this looks fun...Sep 10 13:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: "Informatica la Castel" Free Software Summer School, 2011 edition, Romania | Blogul lui Răzvan .::. Size~: 126.54 KBSep 10 13:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The final UN declaration on NCDs - http://bit.ly/pc5v30 US "would have rather walked away than concede any ground on intellectual property"Sep 10 13:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BMJ Group blogs: BMJ  » Blog Archive   » Deborah Cohen: The final declaration for the UN summit on NCDs .::. Size~: 53.28 KBSep 10 13:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] RT @satipera @davidmarsden Fuck off you twat.Sep 10 13:19
schestowitziophk: yes, I wrote about itSep 10 13:19
schestowitztoday at the gymSep 10 13:19
schestowitz4 new posts comingSep 10 13:19
schestowitzhe actually said I was the first one to know about his post )Jomar)Sep 10 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] If #Google uses its #FacebookPlus service to catalogue people's real names and connections, does that make Google a sovereign country?Sep 10 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] @wikileaks2 Problem with breastfeeding is no middle man gets a cut. 99-year nipple leases would allow us all to profit from the bust boom.Sep 10 13:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] WikiLeaks: US lobbied against breastfeeding in the Philippines - http://bit.ly/nFLEjt heartwarming stuff (v @jmcest @wikileaks)Sep 10 13:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: WikiLeaks cable: US lobbied vs breastfeeding in the Philippines |  ABS-CBN News | Latest Philippine Headlines, Breaking News, Video, Analysis, Features .::. Size~: 48.71 KBSep 10 13:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @glynmoody: WikiLeaks: US lobbied against breastfeeding in the Philippines - http://bit.ly/nFLEjt heartwarming stuff (v @jmcest )Sep 10 13:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @freemjd Problem with breastfeeding is no middle man gets a cut. 99-year nipple leases would allow us all to profit from the bust boom.Sep 10 13:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Google will use Zagat's (so you don't have to) - Computerworld http://bit.ly/o67r0ESep 10 13:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Huh....Facebook notifications show up a lot sooner on an iPhone app than by email, especially during times of heavy usageSep 10 13:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] AP review finds no threatened WikiLeaks sources http://ur1.ca/51yh6 well, then, let the floodgates open. #cablegateSep 10 13:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Google will use Zagat's (so you don't have to) - Computerworld .::. Size~: 129.95 KBSep 10 13:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: AP review finds no threatened WikiLeaks sources  - Forbes.com .::. Size~: 40.81 KBSep 10 13:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @wikileaks: WikiLeaks: Cables point to Indonesian State Intelligence role in murder of human rights campaigner http://t.co/XMLpEHASep 10 13:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 9/11: The day we lost our privacy and power - http://bit.ly/pg5PUd how we were tricked into giving up our liberty; maybe time to get it backSep 10 13:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Truth out... http://ur1.ca/51yhiSep 10 13:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 9/11: The day we lost our privacy and power • The Register .::. Size~: 30.85 KBSep 10 13:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Tehelka - India's Independent Weekly News Magazine .::. Size~: 66.22 KBSep 10 13:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @davidgerard: After 10 years, the 9/11 Truthers finally figure out the Pentagon was hit by a plane. Well done. http://t.co/oIjdAELSep 10 13:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @glynmoody: 9/11: The day we lost our privacy and power - http://bit.ly/pg5PUd how we were tricked into giving up our liberty...Sep 10 13:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 9/11: The day we lost our privacy and power • The Register .::. Size~: 30.85 KBSep 10 13:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] dissapointing, @AjEnglish ♻ @wikileaks: Al Jazeera head agreed to remove website content secretly for US http://t.co/kjOZYNpSep 10 13:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Carol Bartz: Her Job is Done http://ur1.ca/51yk1 #yahoo #nokia #novell #microsoft #elop #hovsepian #mole #search #antitrustSep 10 13:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Carol Bartz: Her Job is Done http://ur1.ca/51yk1 #google #android #linux #suse #novell #apple #entryism #bartzSep 10 13:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Al Jazeera head agreed to remove website content secretly for US http://t.co/kjOZYNpSep 10 13:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 2011 Patent ‘Reform’: Change We Can’t Believe in http://ur1.ca/51ymb #swpats #uspto #reform #apple #android #linux #embargo #germanySep 10 14:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 2011 Patent ‘Reform’: Change We Can’t Believe in | Techrights .::. Size~: 93.03 KBSep 10 14:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] 2011 Patent ‘Reform’: Change We Can’t Believe in http://ur1.ca/51ymb #obama #kappos #monopoly #protectionism #blockade #lipstickOnAPigSep 10 14:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Turkey may have purged the Armenian holocaust archives: http://t.co/XRxFZrxSep 10 14:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Cablegate Makes Considerable Difference in IT http://ur1.ca/51ynw #wlfind #brazil #odf #ooxmlSep 10 14:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate Makes Considerable Difference in IT http://ur1.ca/51ynw !wikileaks #diplomacy #us #microsoft #corruption #openxml #opendocumentSep 10 14:15
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/83307939Sep 10 14:15
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TechrightsBot-tr@satipera (satipera)'s status on Saturday, 10-Sep-11 12:48:19 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz That was a while ago.Sep 10 14:15
schestowitzYahoo CEO firing ^Sep 10 14:15
schestowitzwas a while back, but the commentary is not intended to be newsSep 10 14:16
iophkYahoo had a mole place at the top after the takeover of the boardSep 10 14:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] The film "Gangs of New York" is a model for !capitalism.Sep 10 14:17
schestowitzYes, Icahn tossed Yang outSep 10 14:17
schestowitzAnd sort of bragged about itSep 10 14:17
schestowitzThen Susan Decker (IIRC) was a candidate for taking his placeSep 10 14:18
schestowitzBut she was too much on Yang's sideSep 10 14:18
schestowitzAll alongSep 10 14:18
schestowitzSo they had to bring a Microsoft partner from the outsideSep 10 14:18
schestowitzThey got one from autodeskSep 10 14:18
schestowitzIcahn was happySep 10 14:18
schestowitzMicrosoft signed a Yahoo deaSep 10 14:18
schestowitzANd Yahoo diedSep 10 14:18
schestowitzBut Yahoo climbed intiallySep 10 14:18
schestowitzMade money for the raiderSep 10 14:18
schestowitzWho killed the company for profit and for BallmerSep 10 14:19
schestowitzSo both camps were happy.. the two raidersSep 10 14:19
schestowitzToo bad for the FOSSer who worked in YahooSep 10 14:19
schestowitzLike Jeremy.Sep 10 14:19
schestowitzThey had some famous FOSS staffSep 10 14:19
iophkWhich Jeremy?Sep 10 14:19
schestowitzProjects tooSep 10 14:19
schestowitzSome Russian -ish surnameSep 10 14:19
iophkWhich FOSS projects were most important there?Sep 10 14:19
schestowitzcan't recall itSep 10 14:20
iophkIIRC there was a lot of work on PHPSep 10 14:20
schestowitzYahoo had zimbraSep 10 14:20
schestowitzNow it's owned by MicrosoftersSep 10 14:20
schestowitzAnd they do nothing with itSep 10 14:20
schestowitzit's competiting with Outlook, it would pay off for them to shoot it in the headSep 10 14:20
schestowitzalso competes with exchangeSep 10 14:21
schestowitzand by extension windows 'server'Sep 10 14:21
iophkZimbra has the name recognition. Too badSep 10 14:21
iophkotherwise Kolab and Citadel are better. Sep 10 14:21
schestowitzYahoo hosted my geocities siteSep 10 14:21
schestowitzit's dead nowSep 10 14:21
iophkCitadel is getting more attention latelySep 10 14:21
schestowitzhow will flickr end?Sep 10 14:22
iophkIs flickr owned by Yahoo?Sep 10 14:22
schestowitzyesSep 10 14:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: We really slaughtered them! - Turkish diplomat after reading secret Armenian archives http://t.co/Q9xj4oLSep 10 14:30
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amarsh04schestowitz, have you submitted any Cablegate stories to groklaw.net?Sep 10 14:31
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twitterwowSep 10 14:31
twitterhttp://homembit.com/2011/09/microsofts-attack-on-brazilian-national-sovereignty-wikileaks-microsoft-odf-and-openxml.htmlSep 10 14:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft’s attack on Brazilian national sovereignty: Wikileaks, Microsoft, ODF and OpenXML   | void life(void) .::. Size~: 27.59 KBSep 10 14:32
twitter" The first question that I leave here is on how many other countries that voted NO to OpenXML the same kind of initiative also happened, and how much of these countries “have accepted” an eventual intervention by the U.S. government. ...   the general line of argumentation used here in Brazil, the national technical decision is presented as being an initiative against the Intellectual Property Rights (IPR), and one of the things thatSep 10 14:33
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twitterbut for sure we know the US government threatened Brazil with trade sanctions over OOXML and ODF, and described ODF as anti-American.Sep 10 14:34
Diablo-D3dudeSep 10 14:36
Diablo-D3documents like that in xml are anti-americanSep 10 14:36
Diablo-D3I mean, you'd think it'd be an actual legitimate use of xml and allSep 10 14:36
Diablo-D3but anyone who says openoffice isnt just as shitty as new ms offices is lyingSep 10 14:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Wikileaks: Stepping Out of Ottoman Archives, Diplomat Says ‘We Really Slaughtered Them!’ - http://bit.ly/osm9aP if only they could admit itSep 10 14:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Shared a post "We all knew that MSFT would fight hard against ODF. But calling it an un-american standard? Geez. http:/... http://b1t.it/AYgSep 10 14:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Wikileaks: Stepping Out of Ottoman Archives, Diplomat Says ‘We Really Slaughtered Them!’ | Armenian Weekly .::. Size~: 57.95 KBSep 10 14:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Nandan Vaidya - Google+ - We all knew that MSFT would fight hard against ODF. But… .::. Size~: 42.97 KBSep 10 14:37
Diablo-D3if anything, this proves foss wonSep 10 14:37
Diablo-D3we can make shit just as bloated as they do :DSep 10 14:37
twitternothing is as shitty as having to use Vista/Windows 7 just to be able to use Microsoft's really crappy Office program.  Open Office is nowhere near as bloated.  I use version 3.0 every day and it works just fine.Sep 10 14:38
twitterMore from Brazil, "  I am greatly angered to see Microsoft claims that the Brazilian government was pressuring ABNT (Brazilian National Body and Standards Organization) to adopt ODF. Microsoft was a member of the ABNT’s committee at the time, and I have here the minutes of a meeting where the company agrees to open the ODF adoption process in Brazil. I was responsible for that process inside the ABNT and rely on the collaboration of varSep 10 14:38
Diablo-D3I havent been impressed with OOSep 10 14:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Cost of Using #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/51yqz #hotmail #twitter #azure #office365 #bposSep 10 14:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Cost of Using Microsoft | Techrights .::. Size~: 91.27 KBSep 10 14:39
twitterThe lesson to learn there is to kick Microsoft off your technical committees because they are acting in bad faith, always.Sep 10 14:39
Diablo-D3the only reason I have it installed is to handle the wayward ms documents that get set my waySep 10 14:39
Diablo-D3twitter: not reallySep 10 14:39
Diablo-D3why would ms be on a technical committee anyhow?Sep 10 14:40
Diablo-D3they havent had anyone with a clue working for them for yearsSep 10 14:40
iophkThe lesson is to shut out MS from everything because all they do is in bad faith.Sep 10 14:40
Diablo-D3iophk: thats somewhat disingenious to begin withSep 10 14:40
iophkIt's like Charlie Brown and that footballSep 10 14:40
Diablo-D3the lesson is to quit talking about microsoft outside of historical contexts, they are no longer relevant and old hat.Sep 10 14:41
schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/Ueaax.jpgSep 10 14:41
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting image/jpeg typeSep 10 14:41
Diablo-D3its kinda funnySep 10 14:41
Diablo-D3Ive been living in a post-microsoft world longer than I've been living in a post-9/11 world.Sep 10 14:42
iophkhttp://www.h-online.com/open/features/We-won-and-we-didn-t-notice-a-conversation-with-Jeremy-Allison-of-Samba-1334992.htmlSep 10 14:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: We won and we didn't notice – a conversation with Jeremy Allison of Samba - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 45.94 KBSep 10 14:42
Diablo-D3iophk: yeah I read thatSep 10 14:42
Diablo-D3hes rightSep 10 14:42
Diablo-D3although I kinda feel sorry for the samba projectSep 10 14:42
Diablo-D3who needs samba when you have sshfs ;)Sep 10 14:42
iophkSSHFS rocksSep 10 14:43
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/83309922Sep 10 14:43
TechrightsBot-tr@satipera (satipera)'s status on Saturday, 10-Sep-11 13:19:16 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I thought it unlikely I had heard something before you.Sep 10 14:43
iophkSamba is for backwards compatibility with legacy clientsSep 10 14:43
Diablo-D3yeah, but WHAT legacy clients?Sep 10 14:43
Diablo-D3I can run sshfs on windows too.Sep 10 14:43
iophkDidn't know that.  CoolSep 10 14:44
Diablo-D3the thing with sshfs isnt that its secure, infact if I could turn off encryption for cross LAN stuff I wouldSep 10 14:44
amarsh04twitter, I forwarded that link to the groklaw News Picks suggestionsSep 10 14:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] The Cost of Using Microsoft http://ur1.ca/51yqz #windows #server #FogComputing #downtimeSep 10 14:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Don't upset the driver ahead [IMG] http://i.imgur.com/iyHhv.jpgSep 10 14:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @wikileaks: Al Jazeera head agreed to remove website content secretly for US http://t.co/kjOZYNpSep 10 14:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] "The dollar is the leper with most fingers" #economicsSep 10 14:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Cost of Using Microsoft | Techrights .::. Size~: 91.27 KBSep 10 14:44
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Diablo-D3the fact is it takes zero tweaking for it to saturate gigabit.Sep 10 14:44
Diablo-D3samba with zero tweaking no matter what the host and client are tops out around 12mbpsSep 10 14:44
Diablo-D3and nfs also has that problem PLUS its a horror to work withSep 10 14:45
Diablo-D3and Ive never been able to get nfsv4 to runSep 10 14:45
Diablo-D3and afs is absolute fucking overkillSep 10 14:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @wikileaks: WikiLeaks: Turkey may have purged the Armenian holocaust archives: http://t.co/XRxFZrxSep 10 14:45
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amarsh04nfs took me a whileSep 10 14:46
iophkSamba has to follow the old M$ protocols and the recent one is designed to make a mess and be hard to work withSep 10 14:46
Diablo-D3yeah, but gotta admit they pulled it offSep 10 14:48
iophkDiablo-D3: AFS rocks, but you're right, in most SMB cases, it's overkillSep 10 14:48
Diablo-D3from everyone I know whats stuck using samba in corp world, samaba has the host usually outperforms everything windows hasSep 10 14:48
schestowitz[14:31] <amarsh04> schestowitz, have you submitted any Cablegate stories to groklaw.net?Sep 10 14:48
schestowitznoSep 10 14:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] LMAO "20% of rioters were gang members, near 100% of serious fraud in the last few years was committed by bankers"Sep 10 14:49
iophkschestowitz: some of the patent-related Cablegate stories could be relevant for GroklawSep 10 14:49
Diablo-D3"So, clearly, 20% of the rioters should eat the bankers."Sep 10 14:50
amarsh04twitter's link was worth forwarding, given it was written by someone on the ground at the Brazil OOXML standards processSep 10 14:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Given that Microsoft OOXML led to anti-American sentiments across the world, can we call #ooxml "anti-American"?Sep 10 14:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Meet The PayPal 14, The Alleged Scary Face Of #Anonymous Incarnate http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/anonymous/the-paypal-14-896451Sep 10 14:52
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twitterWow, this blog from 2009 is equally explosive.  http://homembit.com/2009/10/openxml-what-i-havent-told-yet-about-the-brm.htmlSep 10 14:53
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schestowitz[14:49] <iophk> schestowitz: some of the patent-related Cablegate stories could be relevant for GroklawSep 10 14:53
schestowitzMaybe you should recommend them?Sep 10 14:53
schestowitzI don't want to do a sort of self-linkage thereSep 10 14:53
schestowitzWebbink and I get along, but I don't want to just show up in their forums just to drop a linkSep 10 14:54
twitterEveryone knows that OOXML is a sham but the insider perspective from Brazil is really damning.  Sep 10 14:54
schestowitzMicrosft is corruptionSep 10 14:54
amarsh04I slogged through a lot of the ooxml stories on groklaw.net, and this later clarification from the cables is worth notingSep 10 14:54
schestowitzSo I doubt it would surprise anyone hereSep 10 14:54
schestowitzLOL "it was my idea"Sep 10 14:54
schestowitzWhat? Monopoly? Corruption?Sep 10 14:54
twitter->  The end result is that we couldn’t present our proposal, and the whole world missed the opportunity to hear from the mouth of ECMA delegates: “We didn’t study the compatibility of OpenXML and Microsoft’s legacy binary format.” Anyone out there have any doubt about the outcome of the vote, if this discussion had taken place?Sep 10 14:55
schestowitzNo, thanks, not my idea at all. And those whose idea it was should be locked up.Sep 10 14:55
schestowitzJomar said I was the first person he informed of this postSep 10 14:55
twitteryes, amarsh04, I agreeSep 10 14:55
schestowitzin twitterSep 10 14:55
schestowitzI remember what Microsoft mob attacked his blogSep 10 14:55
schestowitzAlex Brown and his lackey from DenmarkSep 10 14:56
schestowitzAnd they also tried to attack my character thereSep 10 14:56
schestowitzBut Jomar defended meSep 10 14:56
schestowitzamarsh04: mail Mark or Pamela about itSep 10 14:56
schestowitzI don't want to link to myselfSep 10 14:57
schestowitzI onyl covered it last week after Jiomar had passed me a linkSep 10 14:57
twitterthe battle is still on because Microsoft is still trying to shove their phoney OOXML on everyone.Sep 10 14:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] SAP pleads guilty for downloading Oracle software, would have never happened if they used FOSS http://is.gd/S0VLG4 !fsf !javaSep 10 14:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Inside Netflix's WebKit-Based UI For TV Devices http://is.gd/kyuoWcSep 10 14:57
schestowitzIt hasn't gone mainstream yetSep 10 14:57
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schestowitzGlyn Moody linked to it todaySep 10 14:57
schestowitzAnd Jamie Love did coverage last weekSep 10 14:57
schestowitzBut no major online news iste covered itSep 10 14:57
schestowitzMaybe we run through these too fastSep 10 14:57
twitterno Microsoft funded news will cover the issueSep 10 14:58
twitterI don't think you are going too fast with the cables.  You are giving them the attention they need. Sep 10 14:58
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/83311674Sep 10 14:59
TechrightsBot-tr@satipera (satipera)'s status on Saturday, 10-Sep-11 13:51:40 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz How can the actions of a company lead people to be against the country where the company is located?Sep 10 14:59
schestowitzThe country's government sometimes acts as a butler for that companySep 10 14:59
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wood5y/status/112523398504128514Sep 10 14:59
TechrightsBot-tr@wood5y: "It’s not just that Microsoft is an abusive monopolist; its products are inferior too and it shows." http://t.co/RLeg8Hg (via @schestowitz)Sep 10 14:59
TechrightsBot-tr@: Sep 10 14:59
twitterDepth of coverage will come when people with the correct background and perspective comment on themSep 10 14:59
schestowitzon Monday I won't cover any, I'm in London all daySep 10 14:59
schestowitzMaybe I'll take some cables to the train to work onSep 10 15:00
twitterUS Government favoritism of Microsoft is an outrage for every other US company, both those with competing software and those forced to use Microsoft's shit by government selection of non free garbage. Sep 10 15:01
twitterThat's something pointed out here too http://homembit.com/2011/09/microsofts-attack-on-brazilian-national-sovereignty-wikileaks-microsoft-odf-and-openxml.htmlSep 10 15:02
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schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/09/apple_purges_diginotar_certificates/Sep 10 15:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] How kind of #apple to put fruity loopy marketing aside for a day and actually address technical problems http://ur1.ca/51yu6Sep 10 15:05
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schestowitzhttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Huawei-Impulse-4G-and-Kyocera-Milano-/?kc=rssSep 10 15:06
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schestowitzI wonder if Kyocera-Mita only pays MSFT for FATSep 10 15:07
iophk"Maybe we run through these too fast" — there's no easy way to roll back and see old postsSep 10 15:07
schestowitzQuite likelySep 10 15:07
amarsh04I've emailed pj2 at groklaw dot net schestowitzSep 10 15:07
schestowitziophk: there isSep 10 15:07
iophkIt's not obviousSep 10 15:07
schestowitzthe side bar has 50 latest posts lisredSep 10 15:07
schestowitzAnd you can go to next pageSep 10 15:07
schestowitzThe wiki lists latest 15 IIRCSep 10 15:07
schestowitzthen again, there are many cablesSep 10 15:08
schestowitzI don't want to slow it down too muchSep 10 15:08
schestowitzIn fact, let me do a triplet now..Sep 10 15:08
iophkI'm talking about being able to browse back an arbitrarily long time into the pastSep 10 15:08
schestowitzNews is slow todaySep 10 15:08
iophkYou're making news.  Sep 10 15:08
schestowitziophk: how would you like it to be listed?Sep 10 15:08
schestowitzThere's already search and archives pagesSep 10 15:08
iophkJust being able to go backwards like in any search engine results listSep 10 15:09
schestowitzLet's see what the US/MSFT say about NeelieSep 10 15:09
iophkor being able to see previous "days" like in /.Sep 10 15:09
schestowitz /. became a relicSep 10 15:09
schestowitztried to reinvent itselfSep 10 15:09
schestowitzas web 2.0 and cssSep 10 15:09
schestowitzdidn't workSep 10 15:09
iophkYes, it is lameSep 10 15:10
schestowitzAlso added Microsoft and Apple topicsSep 10 15:10
schestowitzReaders lost, Malda quitsSep 10 15:10
iophkM$ doesn't belong on /. Sep 10 15:10
iophkbut that might have been a reason Malda had to quit.Sep 10 15:10
schestowitzThey foolishly though that broadening topics would broaden the audience. Digg.com made the same mistakesSep 10 15:10
schestowitzIt brought political dogma and trolls in this watSep 10 15:10
schestowitz*waySep 10 15:11
amarsh04back in a moment, restarting gogocSep 10 15:11
schestowitzAnd the site got diluted around 2007Sep 10 15:11
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iophkKroes is more or less out of the way now with her new jobSep 10 15:11
schestowitzThey daemonise her, stillSep 10 15:11
schestowitzIrcj lady and allSep 10 15:11
schestowitzMajoriras called her "Sentsitive"Sep 10 15:11
schestowitzI pinged Kroes about itSep 10 15:12
iophkOf course, M$ did not like her policies, which were rather good for business otherwiseSep 10 15:12
schestowitzIIRC, Majoras went to work for P&GSep 10 15:12
schestowitzRevolving doors like that..Sep 10 15:12
schestowitzAnd her husband was a conflict of interestSep 10 15:12
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iophkWhat role did her husband have?Sep 10 15:13
amarsh04I'd like to have a better (ie IPV6 capable) router and not have to run gogocSep 10 15:14
twitterfor personal research, use the excellent rss feed.  for educational purposes make a wiki page.  ->  iophk: "Maybe we run through these too fast" — there's no easy way to roll back and see old postsSep 10 15:16
iophkright but the site should support browsing through old posts easilySep 10 15:16
iophkthere are a lot of work arounds but hacks are ugly and should be unnecessarySep 10 15:17
twitterThe wiki page works well enough and can be linked from current pages.  Now is the time to get the news out rather than make a Slashdot mistake.Sep 10 15:19
twitterIt's funny how Groklaw kept chugging along with a really old version of slashcode while slashdot itself got lost with modifying display codeSep 10 15:20
iophkjavascript in web pages sucksSep 10 15:21
iophkthat's part of what got /.Sep 10 15:21
iophkGroklaw has not made that mistakeSep 10 15:21
iophkit still works with real HTMLSep 10 15:22
twitterI think you are right about that.  Slashdot's modifications ate a lot of resources and the pages got slow.Sep 10 15:22
twitterOther changes were worse.  They made it harder to search the Firehose and recently have killed the ability to edit older journal entries.  Sep 10 15:23
twitterNone of my older journals can be updated now.Sep 10 15:24
twitterSo it is time to move them to Techrights wiki but I don't have the time for that.  It's very disruptive. Sep 10 15:24
twitterOverall, I'm glad I put my time into Techrights rather than continuing on with Slashdot over the last four years.Sep 10 15:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Blair knew immediately that 9/11 attacks 'changed everything' - http://bit.ly/oUL4tK yes, in terms of his trampling of liberties in the UKSep 10 15:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @linuxaria [repost] Roundup on compression programs on !Linux #shell #tar #gzip #xz #bzip2 http://ur1.ca/51yhqSep 10 15:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @wlpress: Expecting Civilian Deaths, US Embassy Approved Deadly Attack on Crowded Haitian Slum, by @Ansel. #WikiLeaks #Cablegate http ...Sep 10 15:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] German Retailers Can Continue To Sell, Restock Galaxy Tab 10.1http://bit.ly/nkSkw7 #androidSep 10 15:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] It would be even better if @turpial could follow identica groups in one tab (as it can follow Twitter lists)Sep 10 15:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cablegate: US Government Assesses Value of New EU Commission to Itself http://ur1.ca/51z10 #wlfind #eu #europe #governmentSep 10 15:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @wlpress: Nigerian Supreme Court Justice Ibrahim Kutigi rejected .6m bribe offer from President Obasanjo. #WikiLeaks #Cablgate http ...Sep 10 15:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: US Government Assesses Value of New EU Commission to Itself http://ur1.ca/51z10 #politics #antitrust #regulationSep 10 15:47
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amarsh04that link on Brazil and OOXML http://homembit.com/2011/09/microsofts-attack-on-brazilian-national-sovereignty-wikileaks-microsoft-odf-and-openxml.html has already made groklaw newspicksSep 10 15:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @wlpress: France armed Cameroon to fight over oil-rich the Bakassi peninsula at the border with Nigeria. #WikiLeaks #Cablegate http:/ ...Sep 10 15:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] A whole new way or using !Linux - the name alone is enough to protect against this latest Windows scam http://goo.gl/Jd9eUSep 10 15:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] don't suggest this though, re:upgrades. it breaks things enough going from stable to stable...Sep 10 15:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I suppose !Google's new language has already been mentioned by someone? [yesterdays news] http://goo.gl/LJwCRSep 10 15:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @wlpress: Activists call on Indonesian Attorney General's Office to use #WikiLeaks cables as new evidence. #Cablegate @WLLegal http:/ ...Sep 10 16:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: European Commission Worried About Microsoft’s Browser Ballot Screen Being Inappropriate http://ur1.ca/51z3t #wlfind #microsoftSep 10 16:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: European Commission Worried About Microsoft’s Browser Ballot Screen Being Inappropriate http://ur1.ca/51z3t #antitrust !wlSep 10 16:05
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iophkThe "browser ballot" is inappropriate because it does *nothing* to address the bundling of MSIE in all Windows systemsSep 10 16:06
schestowitz"Sep 10 16:07
schestowitz(SBU) Oracle stated that the Commission is pressuring it to Sep 10 16:07
schestowitzdivest MySQL as a condition for approval of the merger.  Oracle Sep 10 16:07
schestowitzclaims such a divestiture will destroy the merger for two reasons: Sep 10 16:07
schestowitz1) Oracle's business case for the merger depends on keeping MySQL to Sep 10 16:07
schestowitzmake the merger economically viable, since Oracle plans to expand Sep 10 16:07
schestowitzthe market for MySQL and its associated support contracts; and (2) Sep 10 16:07
schestowitzOracle would be forced to take a huge accounting loss if it sold Sep 10 16:07
schestowitzMySQL, since it believes that Sun overpaid in paying nearly $1 Sep 10 16:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] European Commission Worried About Microsoft’s Browser Ballot Screen Being Inappropriate http://ur1.ca/51z3t #internetexplorer #monopolySep 10 16:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @wlpress: Human Rights First: Gray Companies Enabled Sudan Atrocities. #WikiLeaks #Cablegate http://t.co/6J4FAUgSep 10 16:07
schestowitzbillion for MySQL in 2008, and it would only be able to sell it for Sep 10 16:07
schestowitza fraction of this sum.Sep 10 16:07
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schestowitz[15:20] <twitter> It's funny how Groklaw kept chugging along with a really old version of slashcode while slashdot itself got lost with modifying display codeSep 10 16:07
schestowitzGroklaw uses geeklogSep 10 16:07
Diablo-D3they used to use slashcode iircSep 10 16:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @wlpress: Simba Makoni’s 2008 Zimbabwean presidential bid was in part funded by the UK government. #WikiLeaks #Cablegate http://t.co/ ...Sep 10 16:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @wlpress: El Faro: El Salvador dejó que al diputado Eliú Martínez se lo llevara Estados Unidos. #WikiLeaks #Cablegate http://t.co/ac11FdwSep 10 16:17
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wood5y/status/112525551721381889Sep 10 16:24
TechrightsBot-tr@wood5y: courtesy of @schestowitz, I just discovered a great new disparaging term for the latest IT bandwagon: Fog Computing :)Sep 10 16:24
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/83312225Sep 10 16:25
TechrightsBot-tr@satipera (satipera)'s status on Saturday, 10-Sep-11 14:01:30 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Nice turn of phrase. I withdraw my objection to your previous dent.Sep 10 16:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Will !Ubuntu Linux Switch to a Monthly Release Cycle asks @noyesk « But why not just make it a rolling release, I ask? http://goo.gl/2y9bCSep 10 16:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Competition Commissioner Neelie Kroes Accused of “Undermin[ing] Support for Intellectual Property” in #Microsoft Case http://ur1.ca/51z68Sep 10 16:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @carlopiana I wonder about which "IP" they put on it #justasking http://b1t.it/AZi [Google's new language]Sep 10 16:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Competition Commissioner Neelie Kroes Accused of “Undermining Support for Intellectual Property” in MS Case http://ur1.ca/51z68 #wlfind !wlSep 10 16:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Tell Congress: Pass an emergency #jobs bill, not #Medicare cuts! http://bit.ly/oFx8smSep 10 16:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Google Issues Gmail Security Advice Following SSL Attack from News ≈ Packet Storm http://goo.gl/5EJ56Sep 10 16:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good morning !Identiverse !tzagSep 10 16:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !LibreOffice Draw -- my new favorite application from Steven Rosenberg http://goo.gl/ofRXHSep 10 16:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Something tells me that tomorrow's flight SCQ - MAD - DUS won't be much fun. Perhaps flying on 9/11 + 10 wasn't a great idea after all.Sep 10 16:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] biPartisan support for America Invents Act b/c stifling innovation bolsters corporate monopolies http://ur1.ca/51zab !copyrightSep 10 16:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Makoni party funded by UK: WikiLeaks http://ur1.ca/51zba installing leaders. #imperialismSep 10 16:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz Makoni party funded by UK: WikiLeaks http://ur1.ca/51zba installing leaders. #imperialismSep 10 16:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @qu1j0t3: Arctic ice at lowest recorded levels. Corporations blocking climate law (!!). What do? http://t.co/VOR7XyC via @greenpeaceukSep 10 17:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Samsung Beats Apple In Europe, Android Leads The Market http://ur1.ca/51zdi #linux triumph was inevitable.Sep 10 17:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] German Retailers can continue To Sell, Retock Galaxy Tab 10.1 http://ur1.ca/51zfc careful of German #mobbyistsSep 10 17:24
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/83320434Sep 10 17:30
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TechrightsBot-tr@Marti van Lin (ml2mst)'s status on Saturday, 10-Sep-11 16:17:15 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz: Mrs. Kroes is a member of the Bilderberg group, so what else did you expected? NL Gov and Educational system is p0wn3d by VoleSep 10 17:30
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/83320723Sep 10 17:30
TechrightsBot-tr@Marti van Lin (ml2mst)'s status on Saturday, 10-Sep-11 16:21:22 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz: Don't you remember my exitement about all the Dutch FOSS initiatives? Vole cried foul and bribed entire NLSep 10 17:30
schestowitzany documents to show this?Sep 10 17:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Cablegate teaches people about #Microsoft #corruption http://ur1.ca/51zghSep 10 17:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "...make a good complaint to the US Justice Dept. that Microsoft is violating the foreign corrupt practices act." http://ur1.ca/51zgmSep 10 17:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @edythemighty How to open !books http://ur1.ca/51zfjSep 10 17:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz "...make a good complaint to the US Justice Dept. that Microsoft is violating the foreign corrupt practices act." http:/ ...Sep 10 17:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz #Cablegate teaches people about #Microsoft #corruption http://ur1.ca/51zghSep 10 17:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Next thing I need to figure out with !Fedora 15 is how to edit the !Gnome 3 menu (want to add some cli shortcuts)Sep 10 17:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Think I have the the !Gnome 3 menu thing sort with !Fedora 15 - I needed to install alacarte (clever name)Sep 10 17:42
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ml2mst/status/112564747169300480Sep 10 17:45
TechrightsBot-tr@ml2mst: @schestowitz Hold on a minute please, I think it is documented on ether wikipedia or wikileaks.Sep 10 17:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/112564820536066048Sep 10 17:45
TechrightsBot-tr@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz Just think... if enough people complain, the US gov't will have to hire more people to deal with it #jobcreation ;)Sep 10 17:45
schestowitz#jobcreation is euphemism for "let companies run the nation"Sep 10 17:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ml2mst/status/112565332765450241Sep 10 17:46
TechrightsBot-tr@ml2mst: @schestowitz: yep, hold on another seccond please...Sep 10 17:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ml2mst/status/112566015103205378Sep 10 17:46
TechrightsBot-tr@ml2mst: @schestowitz: OK: "roes attended conferences organized by the Bilderberg Group in 2005 and 2006." http://t.co/NckroGiSep 10 17:46
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schestowitzI knew that and Techrights covered itSep 10 17:46
schestowitzSteve Jobs Dead? No, Just a CBS Tweet Gone Bad http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/211661/20110910/steve-jobs-dead-twitter-tweet-cbs-lazar-what-s-trending.htmSep 10 17:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Steve Jobs Dead? No, Just a CBS Tweet Gone Bad - International Business Times .::. Size~: 88.33 KBSep 10 17:50
schestowitzhttp://uk.eonline.com/news/cbs_news_apologizes_killing_off_steve/262939?cmpid=rss-000000-rssfeed-365-topstories&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstoriesSep 10 17:51
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schestowitzhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2035796/Steve-Jobs-passed-away-CBS-network-makes-embarrassing-error-reporting-Apple-CEOs-death.html?ito=feeds-newsxmlSep 10 17:51
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schestowitzhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2035796/Steve-Jobs-passed-away-CBS-network-makes-embarrassing-error-reporting-Apple-CEOs-death.html?ito=feeds-newsxmlSep 10 17:51
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schestowitzhttp://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/cbs-news-ends-relationship-source-233725 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2035796/Steve-Jobs-passed-away-CBS-network-makes-embarrassing-error-reporting-Apple-CEOs-death.html?ito=feeds-newsxmlSep 10 17:52
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schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/erroneous-whats-trending-tweet-suggests-the-death-of-steve-jobs-2011-09Sep 10 17:52
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twittersure, that's where I got it.  I thought it was so good that I jumped on here and passed it on right away.  -> amarsh04: that link on Brazil and OOXML http://homembit.com/2011/09/microsofts-attack-on-brazilian-national-sovereignty-wikileaks-microsoft-odf-and-openxml.html has already made groklaw newspicksSep 10 18:02
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amarsh04no worries twitter... glad that PJ had already found and posted itSep 10 18:03
twitterme tooSep 10 18:03
twitterthe author is well informed.  there will, hopefully, be more bombshell realizations like that.  Sep 10 18:04
twitterThat's why it's good that Techrights is digging through and publishing the cables.  Others should do the same for their area of interest.  Eventually the right words will hit the right readers.  Sep 10 18:05
amarsh04the whole cablegate affair illustrates the need for more transparency of process to avoid corruptionSep 10 18:05
twitterI knew that Microsoft had a powerful lobby but even I'm shocked by how perverse and pervasive the influence was.Sep 10 18:06
twitterEven if we accept the flawed view that us diplomatic efforts should push US economic interests, what we see in the cables is a travesty.  Sep 10 18:07
twitterWhile IBM and Google were building the future, US diplomatic effort was pushing technology from the 90's.  Sep 10 18:09
amarsh04my argument is that rather than degregulation we need open competition - ie keep unfair competition laws strong and uniformly applied and let competition work on fair meritsSep 10 18:09
twitterthere's enough anti-trust evidence to shut what's left of Microsoft's pieces down, if the US will live up to it's own laws.Sep 10 18:10
amarsh04agreed, but now even what broke up at&t has effectively been reversedSep 10 18:10
twitterOpen spectrum will take care of ATT and that's what people should be working to implement. Sep 10 18:12
amarsh04one of my acquaintances Dr Paul Gardner-Stephen at Flinders University has been doing just that (e.g. mobile handsets communicating between each other without base-stations)Sep 10 18:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 10/9/2011: Apple Loses to Linux in Europe, MeeGo Not for Sale http://ur1.ca/51ziwSep 10 18:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 10/9/2011: Apple Loses to Linux in Europe, MeeGo Not for Sale http://ur1.ca/51ziw !techrightsSep 10 18:15
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twitterha ha http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/09/medianews-righthaven-dumb-idea/Sep 10 18:16
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twitterhopefully, they get a big bill for all the trouble they madeSep 10 18:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] RT @schestowitz: #Cablegate teaches people about #Microsoft #corruption http://ur1.ca/51zghSep 10 18:17
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amarsh04wow, I just checked my email and PJ replied to me nearly an hour agoSep 10 18:17
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twitterWe owe Michael Hart yet another debt of gratitude.  PJ writes of him, "PJ: I knew Michael, and it's safe to say I wouldn't have tried to do Groklaw if I had not met him. So, thank you, Michael, for the inspiration. I never met anyone even one byte like him."Sep 10 18:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Catching up with @larryrusswurm, "Truth In Adverising" appropos for the looming Ontario provincial election http://ur1.ca/51zodSep 10 18:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @bobjonkman @edythemighty How to open !ebooks (from http://ur1.ca/51zlw ) http://ur1.ca/51zlzSep 10 18:35
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_Goblinto have a stableish connection...Sep 10 18:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @bobjonkman How to open !ebooks (from http://ur1.ca/51zlw ) http://ur1.ca/51zlz !SelfPubSep 10 18:39
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_Goblinanyone here?????Sep 10 18:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Ubuntu #Linux - About change http://tinyurl.com/3g9bf2jSep 10 18:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "Doesn’t the bastard sweat at all? Oscar reaches for his non-existent cigarettes again, then realizes what he’s done. " ~ !InconstantMoon !qSep 10 18:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Bolton 0-4 Manchester United (still half an hr to play) !mufcSep 10 18:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Why I love the Internet: I knew about the Vancouver Earthquake from my New Zealand friend @bananabob before my brother living in VCR did :)Sep 10 18:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] EU Officially Seizes The !PublicDomain, Retroactively Extends !Copyright http://ur1.ca/51mt7 << now *this* is theftSep 10 19:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Another hat trick for Wayne Rooney !mufc :)Sep 10 19:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] should probably get used to emacs-w3m, much ligher than midoriSep 10 19:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @stav TODAY IS THE OLDEST YOU'VE EVER BEEN, YET THE YOUNGEST YOU'LL EVER BE, SO ENJOY THIS DAY WHILE IT LASTS. !silver !qSep 10 19:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Eddie Griffin - You can tell them I said it.Sep 10 19:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] today i saw a beaver .. and three eisvogel (kingfishers) ... soon off to meet some people at the free thinkers conf happening in townSep 10 19:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] note to self; file a #patent on #LolPups with the unique part being "with dogs", then sue #LolCats for infringement #brokenpatentsystemSep 10 19:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @sixgun Just released: http://sixgun.org/linuxoutlaws/228Sep 10 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] OK Netlanders I'm off to watching movies CUL8ter ;-)Sep 10 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] isn't "Shock & Awe" the very definition of terrorism? use fear & terror to further a political agenda #WarOnTerror #hypocrisySep 10 20:05
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iophkGoogle opened a new data center in FinlandSep 10 20:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] I am not sure what @reality is on right now but I want some! #hugsSep 10 20:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @trisquel: For testers: #Trisquel 4.5 users can now upgrade to Trisquel 5.0 beta by running "update-manager -d" in the terminal.Sep 10 20:22
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_Goblinhello allSep 10 20:24
schestowitzHi, _GoblinSep 10 20:24
schestowitzI'll call you tomorrow and on MondaySep 10 20:25
_GoblincoolSep 10 20:25
schestowitzWe need to go to some restaurant somewhere, i'll pay... and we'll have a change to talk about the show and the trollsSep 10 20:25
_Goblinnot sure how much lag is on my messages....do us a favour....Sep 10 20:25
schestowitzsms messages?Sep 10 20:25
_Goblineh?Sep 10 20:26
schestowitzohSep 10 20:26
schestowitzirc messagesSep 10 20:26
schestowitzit's cool that IRC is quite so versatile and accessible from anythingSep 10 20:26
_Goblinhere...lets see how realistic this lag is....Sep 10 20:26
schestowitztestSep 10 20:26
schestowitzpingSep 10 20:27
_Goblinrespond back with "Pong"Sep 10 20:27
_GoblincoolSep 10 20:27
_Goblinthats fine.....Sep 10 20:27
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_GoblinIm on the netbook at the moment....android wifi hotspot running on my HTCSep 10 20:27
schestowitza babushka of computingSep 10 20:27
schestowitznetboom connects to phone connects to server connects to your pcSep 10 20:28
_GoblinIts because im in the countryside currently that there is little signalSep 10 20:29
iophkthe Google computer center in Hamina / Fredrikshamn is openSep 10 20:29
_GoblinStill....this connection is better than nothing....Sep 10 20:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] Good luck to @brettcsmith, in Chicago today explaining !FSF opposition to #TPP to its negotiators (http://www.ustr.gov/tpp)Sep 10 20:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks has caused no harm: FDL http://t.co/wOB0uSHSep 10 20:30
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DrumScumrofl, testing irc lag dudes?Sep 10 20:34
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_GoblinyeahSep 10 20:36
_Goblinsorry....was afk there....writing a Dr Who rant (of sorts) on DiasporaSep 10 20:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Right now I hate @pwgraner and David Mandala. Not feeling especially breezy this morning.Sep 10 20:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Julian Assange extended interview (video) | SBS http://t.co/uYllLyeSep 10 20:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is schestowitz with 84 dents!Sep 10 20:45
_GoblinIm sure I could beat 84 dents If I put my mind to it! ;)Sep 10 20:47
MinceRsureSep 10 20:48
MinceRespecially with a script :>Sep 10 20:48
_Goblin:)Sep 10 20:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @yareckon @laurelrusswurm No shame in using a Microsoft mouse. I think we should all encourage them to become a hardware company :)Sep 10 20:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @johnsu01: Good luck to @brettcsmith, in Chicago today explaining #FSF opposition to #TPP to its negotiators (http://www.ustr.gov/tpp)Sep 10 21:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Whoever wrote/writes #Californication is. a. freaking. genius!Sep 10 21:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @rajitsingh: To flash, or not to flash, that is the question - !Android ROM hopper.Sep 10 21:42
_Goblinah...Sep 10 21:45
_Goblina disconnectionSep 10 21:45
schestowitz_Goblin: remember how many mp3 downloaders we used to have?Sep 10 21:55
schestowitzused to be a fraction of ogg onesSep 10 21:55
_GoblinyepSep 10 21:55
schestowitzI've just checked what's not varnished (cached)Sep 10 21:55
schestowitzIt says 1350 in the past 6 days, just mp3sSep 10 21:56
_Goblinwhats the ogg stats?Sep 10 21:56
schestowitzI think it used to be something like 12k ogg and maybe 200-300 mp3Sep 10 21:56
schestowitzogg says 6143... we haven't made many new shows for monthsSep 10 21:56
_GoblinI wonder what prompts the increase in mp3?Sep 10 21:57
schestowitzoverall the site had 1.5 million hits directly on apache in 6 daysSep 10 21:57
schestowitzusually it's more like 1.2 millionSep 10 21:57
schestowitz_Goblin: maybe people who subscribe who aren't into FOSSSep 10 21:58
_GoblinI think thats because you have a celeb on the TechBytes show...Sep 10 21:58
schestowitzat the start it was a lot of Linux followers from your site and mineSep 10 21:58
_Goblina handsome dashing young man with a cowboy hat and beard.Sep 10 21:58
schestowitzWe didn't have to start from zero like some shows doSep 10 21:58
schestowitzNo, it's you who drive the showSep 10 21:59
schestowitzI just editSep 10 21:59
_Goblinlol...Sep 10 21:59
schestowitzAnyway, did you hear ep 200 of Linux Outlaws?Sep 10 21:59
_GoblinI steer you power it.Sep 10 21:59
schestowitzThey said they had 4 listeners for many of the early showsSep 10 21:59
_Goblinand no I haven'tSep 10 21:59
_GoblinI might download that....Sep 10 21:59
schestowitzImagine the lack of motivation to make new onesSep 10 21:59
schestowitzI see people with the same issue when they blog or vlogSep 10 22:00
_Goblinoh re: tomorrow....don't bother calling...I'll be driving for most of it.Sep 10 22:00
schestowitzuntil they fatigueSep 10 22:00
schestowitz_Goblin: okSep 10 22:00
_GoblinI'll be on here later on sunday anywaySep 10 22:00
_GoblinI have to say....Sep 10 22:01
_GoblinGoogle Groups is a much more convenient medium for my usenet viewing.Sep 10 22:01
schestowitzOh, ogg was actually 7400, I forgot to merge file typesSep 10 22:01
schestowitzwe only record like 2-3 a month nowSep 10 22:01
schestowitz_Goblin: COLA has been a tad messySep 10 22:02
schestowitzBut many of the trolls are leavingSep 10 22:02
schestowitzJust the lowest form of scum stayedSep 10 22:02
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schestowitzAnd nobody would take them seriouslySep 10 22:02
schestowitzbecause they curse a lot and can't even type rightSep 10 22:02
schestowitzthose who were coherent are mostly goneSep 10 22:02
schestowitzone of them came back recentlySep 10 22:02
schestowitzBut I think we stand a chance of taking back the newsgroupSep 10 22:03
schestowitzthen jono will rejoin :-)Sep 10 22:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Chávez backstabbed by former wife Herma Marksman http://t.co/xjhKyc9Sep 10 22:07
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_GoblinI think the newsgroup is lostSep 10 22:08
_GoblinI think that the Linux posters there need the trolls...Sep 10 22:09
_Goblintake a look....except for a few links about linux...theres nothing but bickering...for far more relevant links you can find them on Identi.ca and in greater numberSep 10 22:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: US: Aeropostal drug-traffic airline cocaine air http://t.co/YRa8MVZSep 10 22:12
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_Goblinand I think Jono has better things to do than go to COLA...thats not a community, its a playground.Sep 10 22:17
schestowitzDepends to whom and depends onn your killfileSep 10 22:28
schestowitzto me -- I don't see trollsSep 10 22:28
schestowitzI see insightful people there and good links that I useSep 10 22:28
schestowitzAlso, I don't think anyone 'needs' the trollsSep 10 22:28
schestowitzWe brag about Linux winnings also among ourselvesSep 10 22:29
schestowitzJust like some of us do in identicaSep 10 22:29
schestowitzNot to upset trollsSep 10 22:29
schestowitzBut to share our success, just like many Mac sites and their visitors doSep 10 22:29
_Goblinwith the exception of one or two who mainly post links, the other Linux advocates are just there for the bickering....they have done nothing to further advocate Linux....how can they? they bicker in a NG which has no interest for the vast majority of users, Linux or not...Sep 10 22:33
_GoblinIve yet to find a name in the Linux/Foss world that reads COLA...Sep 10 22:34
ThistleWebwhy not start a new group called PEPSISep 10 22:35
ThistleWebor a slimmed down group called DIETSep 10 22:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jamesm/@jamesm] Plumbers conference next year, plans & rfc - http://www.linuxplumbersconf.org/2011/plumbers-conference-next-yearSep 10 22:37
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schestowitzthe group is a good way of getting information provides you eliminate noise.Sep 10 22:37
_GoblinAgreed...Sep 10 22:37
schestowitzIt's not about who else is reading itSep 10 22:37
_Goblin:)Sep 10 22:37
_Goblinalthough....Sep 10 22:37
schestowitzif it was only a group of 5 people and they were insightful, then fineSep 10 22:38
_GoblinYou wouldn't get the "Linux advocates" from COLA unless you could gaurantee them childish bickering with equally childish Microsoft "advocates"Sep 10 22:38
ThistleWebyour faceSep 10 22:38
schestowitzI like posts from Homer, "Hardon", bbgruffSep 10 22:38
_GoblinagreedSep 10 22:38
_GoblincompletelySep 10 22:38
ThistleWeberm....sorry, channeled an autochild response to any argument thereSep 10 22:38
schestowitzwhere else can one get quick linux discussion?Sep 10 22:39
schestowitzNontechnicalSep 10 22:39
_Goblinthey are the exception....I would hope thye would move to Diaspora or similar...I would continue to read their textSep 10 22:39
schestowitzAnd using a newsgroup readerSep 10 22:39
schestowitzWith quick navigation?Sep 10 22:39
schestowitzIRC is not post-based, it's real-timeSep 10 22:39
_Goblinschestowitz: diaspora, even G+....Ive had better conversations on them.Sep 10 22:39
_Goblintheres nothing quick....Sep 10 22:39
schestowitzdiaspora is not decentralisedSep 10 22:39
schestowitzUnless you install your own instanceSep 10 22:39
_Goblinyes it is.....Sep 10 22:40
schestowitzit's just going and hopping onto someone else's snadboxSep 10 22:40
_Goblinalready there are podsSep 10 22:40
schestowitzand the people behind dispora are mac usersSep 10 22:40
schestowitzThey're not like identicaSep 10 22:40
ThistleWebbefore I go, I'd point out one flaw in your thinking.......normal users don't use newsgroups, they are old school, technical things that most users have never heard of, let alone know how to join, or want to follow technical based discussionsSep 10 22:40
schestowitzso it's not intended for Linux users to have their platform of choiceSep 10 22:40
schestowitzBTWSep 10 22:40
_Goblinso? its a great service with a great tech and ethosSep 10 22:40
schestowitzIDentica seems to be declinugn in activitySep 10 22:40
schestowitzBTWSep 10 22:40
schestowitzDiaspora might explode one daySep 10 22:41
schestowitzLike PrelpellerSep 10 22:41
_GoblinThistleWeb: and I'd add to that, even the pro's have found other avenues and moved onSep 10 22:41
ThistleWebthose who are interested in that will find it outside newsgroupsSep 10 22:41
schestowitzThey're not so well establishedSep 10 22:41
ThistleWebexactlySep 10 22:41
schestowitzSo you could lose all your posts thereSep 10 22:41
_Goblinso?Sep 10 22:41
_Goblinits throwaway textSep 10 22:41
schestowitzyour work..Sep 10 22:41
schestowitzPresverationSep 10 22:41
schestowitzservatinSep 10 22:41
_Goblinwhat if you decide to delete all your IRC logs...Sep 10 22:41
_Goblinall my text I've typed would be goneSep 10 22:42
ThistleWebso why bother trying to address COLA at all? let it die and set up something similar but positive in areas that regular users DO go....like facebook and G+Sep 10 22:42
schestowitzyou have it on your PCSep 10 22:42
schestowitzIn fact, many of us doSep 10 22:42
schestowitzIt's more decentralisedSep 10 22:42
_Goblinno, I don't logSep 10 22:42
schestowitzThe platform just handles the messagingSep 10 22:42
schestowitzNot the long-term storage, just interimSep 10 22:42
schestowitzSame with USENETSep 10 22:42
_Goblinso if you decided to delete the logs Ive lost all my textSep 10 22:42
_Goblinnot that I would mind...Sep 10 22:42
ThistleWebif you only hold conversations in areas that technical people go to, you're preaching tot he choir and wasting your time with the trolls for no gainSep 10 22:43
_GoblinI don't ask for a conversation I have back with someone on the street.Sep 10 22:43
schestowitzcubebsd and other have the text tooSep 10 22:43
schestowitzSame for USENETSep 10 22:43
schestowitzGoogle keeps copies of USENETSep 10 22:43
schestowitzDeja NewsSep 10 22:43
_Goblindiaspora, G+, identi.ca is what I call throwaway data......just like a real conversation.Sep 10 22:43
schestowitzThistleWeb: nobody is obliged to feed  trollsSep 10 22:43
schestowitzit's not telemarketingSep 10 22:43
_Goblinand in any case....what good could I do with 2 years of Diaspora or Identi.ca text? What possible use would it be to me...out of date links, old views......Sep 10 22:44
schestowitzspeaking ofd identicaSep 10 22:44
ThistleWebdoesn't stop them from flooding the site to cause troubleSep 10 22:44
schestowitzI see fewer real convos thereSep 10 22:44
schestowitzIn the past there would be dialogue treesSep 10 22:44
schestowitzNow there's not as much interaction, IMHOSep 10 22:44
ThistleWebeven if you don't talk to the trolls in COLA you have to wade through reams and reams of attacks, slurs etcSep 10 22:44
schestowitzno, you can use filtersSep 10 22:44
ThistleWeball to find the odd post that's notSep 10 22:44
ThistleWebagain, the technical solutionSep 10 22:45
ThistleWebon a technical platformSep 10 22:45
schestowitzno, filter based on namesSep 10 22:45
schestowitzYou killfile troll postsSep 10 22:45
schestowitzIt's actually looking good when you do thatSep 10 22:45
_Goblinbut take away the bickering....what do you have?Sep 10 22:45
ThistleWebyes, the average joe knows usenet, and how to killfileSep 10 22:45
schestowitzvery polite discussionSep 10 22:45
schestowitzand long posts too soemtimesSep 10 22:45
_Goblina few links that you can find on Identi.caSep 10 22:45
ThistleWebthat's who you're targetting right? the average userSep 10 22:45
_GoblinI challenge you to find a polite conversation other than a I agree post.Sep 10 22:46
schestowitzI use identica more than USENETSep 10 22:46
*ThistleWeb will switch to the netbookSep 10 22:46
_GoblinIve seen no conversations just vulgar retorts.Sep 10 22:46
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schestowitz_Goblin: what? From Linux advocates?Sep 10 22:46
schestowitzThey're not vulgarSep 10 22:46
schestowitzThe trolls try to take the unfiltered forum down to their levelSep 10 22:46
_GoblinReally?Sep 10 22:46
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schestowitz_Goblin: yes, reallySep 10 22:47
schestowitzI'm talking about real adovxatesSep 10 22:47
schestowitzNot forgersSep 10 22:47
schestowitzOr rude people who come there justt o insultSep 10 22:47
schestowitzI think you lost track of who's who and who's faking whoSep 10 22:47
_GoblinWith the exception of the names you mentioned earlier.....I can find you all the others posting vulgarity,..infact as recently as todaySep 10 22:47
schestowitzYou thought the advocates insulted youSep 10 22:47
_GoblinnoSep 10 22:48
_Goblinthey didn't insult me.Sep 10 22:48
schestowitzMaybe directed at those who libel themSep 10 22:48
schestowitzWho can blame them?Sep 10 22:48
_GoblinI don't beleive they were rude eitherSep 10 22:48
_GoblinIm talking about the tit for tat between Linux users and the Microsoft advocates.Sep 10 22:48
_Goblinand I can blame them.Sep 10 22:48
schestowitzPetrer for example was libelled extensivelySep 10 22:49
schestowitzHe does not curse at Linux folkSep 10 22:49
_Goblinyou just don't sink to their level.....its the sign of maturity...something which I said to the Microsoft advocates many times.Sep 10 22:49
schestowitzthere are no Microsoft advoxates thereSep 10 22:49
schestowitzMaybe there used to beSep 10 22:49
schestowitzThere are vandalsSep 10 22:49
schestowitzPeople who want to destory everythingSep 10 22:49
_GoblinI don't have to be vulgar to someone to flatten them in a counter.Sep 10 22:49
schestowitzCalling them Microsoft advocates is like calling the riots who put shops on flames "government sceptics"Sep 10 22:50
schestowitz*riotersSep 10 22:50
_GoblinI try to normalize their behaviour.......giving a motive...its makes them easier to segregate.Sep 10 22:50
_Goblinthe alternative is that they post the way they do just for devilment....Sep 10 22:50
_Goblinin that case the NG is definately lost since they won't stop, its how they get their kicks.Sep 10 22:51
schestowitzsome did stopSep 10 22:51
schestowitzsome vanishedSep 10 22:51
_Goblinand that is unbeatable...which makes the vulgarity that thrown back at them look rather silly.Sep 10 22:51
schestowitzOnly the scum is leftSep 10 22:52
schestowitzAnd a mactrolSep 10 22:52
_Goblinand more turned up....COLA to me looks as childish now as it did this time last yearSep 10 22:52
schestowitzthe anti-Android trolling is goneSep 10 22:52
schestowitzFor now..Sep 10 22:52
_Goblindifferent names, same potty mouthSep 10 22:52
schestowitzif you refer to it as a collective, unfilteredSep 10 22:52
ThistleWindyou need to involve Bryan from LAS, he's mastered the Seseme Street slang, with the "Mr Poopypants" stingerSep 10 22:53
_GoblinI wont post there again, I maybe glance at it once a week and I certainly won't mention it to anyone Im introducing Linux to...Sep 10 22:53
_GoblinI really hope Homer et al set up shop elsewhere...Sep 10 22:54
schestowitzI've just lookedSep 10 22:54
schestowitzKari posted lots of good stuffSep 10 22:55
schestowitzTomorrow I'll go through theseSep 10 22:55
schestowitzThistleWind: I don't like Bryan, in fact we never got alongSep 10 22:55
_Goblinand if you joined Diaspora you would see that there are 100's of Kari's (I assume Kari is a good poster on COLA)Sep 10 22:55
ThistleWindout of curiosity, you are planning on rebuilding this in a place regularpeople actually visit right?Sep 10 22:55
_GoblinI thought we were jokingSep 10 22:56
ThistleWindI was joking about BryanSep 10 22:56
_GoblinRoy, are you creating a NG? or forum?Sep 10 22:56
schestowitzno, why?Sep 10 22:56
_Goblinoh... I misreadSep 10 22:57
_Goblinmy faultSep 10 22:57
_Goblinyep...my error....Sep 10 22:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks Gaza: US Army directly, physically, secretly, enforced Gaza blockade http://t.co/DPUH8TlSep 10 22:57
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schestowitzThere's JabbaboySep 10 23:17
schestowitzCatman!Sep 10 23:18
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2wMsnE2cvISep 10 23:18
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DaemonFChis royal flatulence is currently sleepingSep 10 23:23
DaemonFChttp://www.razor-qt.org/screenshots/Sep 10 23:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Razor-qt : Screenshots .::. Size~: 5.48 KBSep 10 23:23
MinceRinterestingSep 10 23:24
*MinceR switched to XFCE todaySep 10 23:25
DaemonFCMinceR is enjoying his indicators and ubuntu software center in the Xubuntu desktopSep 10 23:25
DaemonFCwhich takes more RAM than KDESep 10 23:25
DaemonFC:DSep 10 23:25
MinceRnope :>Sep 10 23:26
_Goblinthat was never my experience of Xfce either....Sep 10 23:27
_Goblinran it for about a year with WolvixSep 10 23:27
ThistleWindxfce being heavy or not is deoendent on the distro, wolvix is closer to what it should be, xubuntu is heavySep 10 23:30
ThistleWindis wolvix still alive?Sep 10 23:31
ThistleWindwhen debian can do a perfectly functional xfce idling at around 85mb, you have to wonder what xubuntu do, to make it around 300+Sep 10 23:33
_GoblinI don't think Wolvix has been worked on since last year (March)Sep 10 23:34
_Goblincould be wrong....Sep 10 23:34
_GoblinI switched 2010 I think for SabayonSep 10 23:35
ThistleWindI know it floundered for a while, when Wolven had real life stuff that sapped his timeSep 10 23:35
ThistleWindthat was wolvix 1Sep 10 23:35
ThistleWindthen it jolted back to life with wolvix 2 betaSep 10 23:35
ThistleWindno idea if it's still aliveSep 10 23:36
ThistleWindif wolvix 2 ever made it out of betaSep 10 23:36
ThistleWindbut hey, beta works for googleSep 10 23:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] ♻ @arnebab: ♻ @cwebber: @mattl #NC = No-Community, #ND = No-Dialogue — on #creativecommons #licenses #ccSep 10 23:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Like Father Like Son (or Like Phone Like Tablet) http://tinyurl.com/6cr7qwt #microsoft #windows #android #apple #wp7 #iphoneSep 10 23:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @speeddefrost: Hugs are a special kind of drug. There's a reason they rhyme with each other.Sep 10 23:47
DaemonFC[18:43] <DaemonFC> hmmm, good priceSep 10 23:48
DaemonFC[18:44] <DaemonFC> but it should have panned out like thisSep 10 23:48
DaemonFC[18:44] <DaemonFC> 444.99 Less Windows = $354.99 After Rebate $299.99Sep 10 23:48
DaemonFC[18:44] <DaemonFC> :)Sep 10 23:48
DaemonFC[18:44] <DaemonFC> (assuming OEM price of Windows 7 Home)Sep 10 23:48
DaemonFC[18:45] <DaemonFC> those are some expensive plastic discsSep 10 23:48
DaemonFC[18:46] <DaemonFC> but you get the cardboard box thrown in for no additional feeSep 10 23:48
DaemonFC[18:46] <DaemonFC> *Except in Nebraska! :)Sep 10 23:48
DaemonFC:)Sep 10 23:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @frozenfire: Anything that smiles needs to be reminded that the world is a cruel, dark place.Sep 10 23:49
schestowitzDaemonFC: what's with Nebraska?Sep 10 23:49
schestowitzWill they deliver to Alaska and not Nebraska?Sep 10 23:49
DaemonFCschestowitz: Nebraska state law at one time required call centers to be located in Nebraska to serve Nebraska customersSep 10 23:50
DaemonFCso businesses would need an 800 number for the rest of the USSep 10 23:50
DaemonFCand one for NebraskaSep 10 23:50
DaemonFCso Except in Nebraska was pretty common to hear on infomercialsSep 10 23:50
DaemonFCthat law has since been repealedSep 10 23:51
DaemonFCnow Nebraska can call Microsoft Support and get the same quality Indian call centers as the rest of the United StatesSep 10 23:51
schestowitzWhat's the history of this?\Sep 10 23:52
schestowitzKeeping jobs in the States?Sep 10 23:52
schestowitzI wonder how long till you guys dial 911 and get some call cenre in Mumbai...Sep 10 23:52
schestowitzYou would bleed to death by the time they comprehend the peoblemSep 10 23:53
schestowitzBuy hey, it's cheaper... logn termSep 10 23:53
schestowitzThey kill jobs in the US..Sep 10 23:53
schestowitzSaves moneySep 10 23:53
schestowitzKills kobsSep 10 23:53
schestowitzI.e. less money in the same ecnomonySep 10 23:54
schestowitz> inflationSep 10 23:54
DaemonFCa burglar breaks into your house and you have an Indian on the other end reading through a checklistSep 10 23:54
DaemonFCHave you asked him to leave sir?Sep 10 23:54
DaemonFC:)Sep 10 23:54
schestowitz"Hlld on.. I will tranafer you to another department [with another list of questions]"Sep 10 23:54
schestowitzIt's like one phone number for each error typeSep 10 23:55
schestowitzHigh job turnover... so need to be trainable quicklySep 10 23:55
schestowitzLike BT..Sep 10 23:55
schestowitzIt's like they filter with electronic prerecorded messages, trying to channel you into the right pigeon holeSep 10 23:56
schestowitzOj BTWSep 10 23:56
schestowitzGood newsSep 10 23:56
schestowitzI got a letter from Virgin Trains todaySep 10 23:56
schestowitzAfter ranting twice abvoutn them in the blogSep 10 23:56
schestowitz3 visits, 3 letters, 3 calls...Sep 10 23:56
schestowitzThey sent me the money I deserveSep 10 23:57
schestowitzAnd also compensated with a 20-pound voucherSep 10 23:57
schestowitzSo it wasn't ALL bad...Sep 10 23:57
DaemonFCif you're being murdered by a guy with an ax, press one.Sep 10 23:57
DaemonFCif he's dressed up like a clown and raping your wife, press 2...Sep 10 23:57
schestowitzbeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepSep 10 23:57
DaemonFCB-)Sep 10 23:57
MinceRiirc the nebraska thing had to do with some phone network trickerySep 10 23:57
schestowitzwho's government of nebraskaSep 10 23:58
schestowitzIIRC they had some radicals in the US govt.Sep 10 23:58
MinceRhttp://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OfferVoidInNebraskaSep 10 23:58
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Offer Void In Nebraska - Television Tropes & Idioms .::. Size~: 61.77 KBSep 10 23:58
schestowitzWhere was Clinton from again?Sep 10 23:58
DaemonFCschestowitz: Nebraska's legislature is different from all other states Sep 10 23:58
schestowitzsome eastern stateSep 10 23:58
DaemonFCthey only have one chamberSep 10 23:58
DaemonFCno house of representativesSep 10 23:58
DaemonFConly senatorsSep 10 23:58
schestowitzwearing cowboyt boots?Sep 10 23:59
DaemonFChell if I knowSep 10 23:59
schestowitzhow about updike?Sep 10 23:59
DaemonFCthings probably get done quicker without two layers of bureuacracy Sep 10 23:59
schestowitzDoes he wear high heels?Sep 10 23:59
DaemonFCas for whether they do the right or wrong things more often, I don't knowSep 10 23:59

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