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schestowitzhmmm... I'm hungry, but I mistakenly brushed my teeth too earlySep 17 00:00
schestowitzI hate when that happensSep 17 00:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @fairvotewrc Democracy Cafe, part of !DemocracyWeek: @fairvotewrc, #CAPP and First Unitarian Church, tonight 7:00pm in Kitchener, ON ...Sep 17 00:01
sebsebsebschestowitz: So eat and then brush again?Sep 17 00:01
twitterlol.  Vista has flunked out twice, despite the Microsoft vapor lock on OEM and retail channels, and the gnu/linux desktop has already materialized unless I'm a fiction of your imagination.  DrPizza: I'm sure Win8 will materialize before linux on the desktopSep 17 00:02
DrPizzaSo, Windows 7, with 450 million users, has "flunked", but Linux, with a few million desktop users, has made it?Sep 17 00:02
twitterAndroid has already gained dominance on smart phones and tablets.  Sep 17 00:03
twitterChrome OS will take what's left of Vista's share.Sep 17 00:03
sebsebsebDrPizza: Vista and Windows 7 are both failures when it comes to market share really, since  most computers are still running XP that aer used todaySep 17 00:03
MinceRm$'s oem agreements will sell 450 million of anything to unwitting or unwilling buyersSep 17 00:03
sebsebsebDrPizza: I do think however that Windows 8 might be a big XP Killer, with hardly any XP  computers still being usedSep 17 00:04
MinceRso long as their anticompetitive, anticapitalistic practices are allowed to continueSep 17 00:04
sebsebsebDrPizza: however XP will still be supportedSep 17 00:04
sebsebsebsince the extended supportSep 17 00:04
twitternah, it's over.Sep 17 00:04
sebsebsebwhen  they will really be trying to get people using WIndows 8Sep 17 00:04
DrPizzasebsebseb: that's because windows XP had 6 years of sales, and unsurprisingly, you sell more computers in 6 years than you do in 3.Sep 17 00:04
twitterMicrosoft has been losing money and will soon go bankrupt.Sep 17 00:04
DrPizzalolSep 17 00:04
twitterLong term plans based on them are foolish.Sep 17 00:04
MinceRah, so you admit it's about selling computers, not OSesSep 17 00:05
sebsebsebDrPizza: yes Microsoft do bad stuff with patents and all that, but just want to be clear about something,  I am not really really really  anti Microsoft, like  most of these guys areSep 17 00:05
schestowitz??Sep 17 00:06
twitterWindows XP has been around for nearly a decade and can still be purchased.  It's the rate that matters.  XP was a slower seller than 98.  Vista was slower than XP and Vista 7 was slower still.  Sep 17 00:06
DrPizzasebsebseb: I think it's absurd to call windows 7 a failure. It's not even 2 years old yet, and it's already overtaken XP in consumer markets.Sep 17 00:06
sebsebsebDrPizza: anyway when XP runs out of support, then those reamining computers that are still being used that run XP, well won't be as manySep 17 00:06
sebsebseband people will be pretty much forced to upgrade to a later WindowsSep 17 00:06
sebsebseborSep 17 00:06
sebsebsebto use some alternative OSSep 17 00:06
schestowitzHehe. More fake numbers from the Microsoft boosterSep 17 00:06
DrPizzatwitter: er, Windows 7 has sold faster than XPSep 17 00:06
schestowitzHe must be thinking he's that PR head of Microsoft that it hired from W-ESep 17 00:06
schestowitzFake numberSep 17 00:06
sebsebsebDrPizza: what? as far as I know most of the worlds computers still run XPSep 17 00:06
sebsebsebthat are still being used by peopleSep 17 00:06
schestowitzDrPizza: Fedora made 450,000,000,000 salesSep 17 00:07
schestowitzBut they're not all used yetSep 17 00:07
schestowitzThey have serial numbers :-)Sep 17 00:07
twitterMicrosoft's bottom line keeps falling down.  It's because of slow sales.Sep 17 00:07
sebsebsebDrPizza: Windows 7 is not all over the place, XP is thoughSep 17 00:07
DrPizzasebsebseb: in non-corp usage, XP was oveertaken in the last mnth or soSep 17 00:07
twitterVista 7 was way too slow.Sep 17 00:07
DrPizzaXP still leads in corp usageSep 17 00:07
schestowitzI produced 4,000,000 copies of my novelSep 17 00:07
MinceRwindows is so great many copies that are sold never get used :>Sep 17 00:07
sebsebsebDrPizza: maybe that's true, but Microsoft mainly care about the companiesSep 17 00:07
schestowitzNow it's time for them to go off the digital shelfSep 17 00:07
DrPizzasebsebseb: no, they care about bothSep 17 00:07
schestowitzI'm sure Ars Technica will happily parrot fake Microdsoft figuresSep 17 00:07
schestowitzGotta beat the PR drumSep 17 00:08
schestowitzDoesn't matter if the numbers oare bogusSep 17 00:08
schestowitzGotta attract advertisersSep 17 00:08
cubezzzI always liked VM/SP :)Sep 17 00:08
sebsebsebDrPizza: it's mainly about comapnies I think, hence why the versions of Windows that are meant to be used by companies,  are useauly better than the consumer versionsSep 17 00:08
twitterlolSep 17 00:08
DrPizzasebsebseb: most home users have little need for active directory, etc.Sep 17 00:08
twitter"professional" Sep 17 00:08
twitterno one needs active directorySep 17 00:08
schestowitzall ubuntu releases are professionaSep 17 00:08
sebsebsebDrPizza: in fact I know a guy online who wil use Windows Server 2003 as his OS at home, instead of XP, becasue 2003 is made betterSep 17 00:08
schestowitzThere's also Ultimate EditionSep 17 00:09
schestowitzWith lots of stuf preloadedSep 17 00:09
schestowitz!google ultimate editionSep 17 00:09
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Ultimate Edition | http://ultimateedition.info/Sep 17 00:09
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Ultimate Edition 2.9 | Ultimate Edition | http://ultimateedition.info/ultimate-edition/ultimate-edition-2-9/Sep 17 00:09
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - DistroWatch.com: Ultimate Edition | http://distrowatch.com/ultimateSep 17 00:09
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Ultimate Edition Oz | http://www.ultimateeditionoz.com/Sep 17 00:09
MinceRsebsebseb: i use gnu/linux as my os at home, instead of windows, because gnu/linux is made better :>Sep 17 00:09
sebsebsebDrPizza: so yeah he uses Server 2003 as a Desktop OSSep 17 00:09
schestowitzIt used to be called Ubuntu Ultimate Edition, I rekon the trademark cleanup of Canonicla set them straightSep 17 00:09
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*schestowitz back to reading cablesSep 17 00:09
DrPizzasebsebseb: great, but so what? The 2003/XP split is not really mirrored with Vista/2008 or 7/2008 R2Sep 17 00:09
sebsebsebMinceR: well Ubuntu isn't that great anymore really,  but yeah laods of great altenraitve distros still :DSep 17 00:10
MinceRsebsebseb: indeedSep 17 00:10
sebsebsebMinceR: some of which are actsaully based on Ubuntu though such as MintSep 17 00:10
MinceRthat's why i switched to fedoraSep 17 00:10
DrPizzasebsebseb: 2003 had things like IIS6 which were a big deal to devsSep 17 00:10
MinceRi don't see much point in basing on ubuntuSep 17 00:10
sebsebsebMinceR: same hereSep 17 00:10
DrPizzasebsebseb: but vista/2008 and 7/2008R2 are syncedSep 17 00:10
twitterdevelopers don't care about IISSep 17 00:10
schestowitzMinceR:same stufffSep 17 00:10
schestowitzprepackaged differentlySep 17 00:10
schestowitzdifferent repos tooSep 17 00:10
MinceRadmins might care about IIS, when they need to remove all the malware it gathered if they forgot to disable it :>Sep 17 00:11
MinceRor when they need to put a gnu/linux reverse proxy in front of it to make it perform less like a blob of molassesSep 17 00:11
schestowitzIn roday's news http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/09/16/microsoft-iis-web-server-market-share-loss/Sep 17 00:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Royal Pingdom: Microsoft’s web server is losing ground: IIS market share back to 1997 levels .::. Size~: 47.42 KBSep 17 00:11
twitterif they have to disable it, they are running the wrong OSSep 17 00:11
MinceR(that's what microsoft does anyway)Sep 17 00:11
schestowitzMicrosoft... the single-digit bruteSep 17 00:11
MinceRtwo-bit companySep 17 00:11
DrPizzalolSep 17 00:11
sebsebsebDrPizza: ok fine you seem to like Windows, I kind of like XP still really for example at times.  Anyway just curious why are you in here?  I mean most of the people who come to this channel,  don't like Microsoft much at all.Sep 17 00:11
schestowitzMinceR: 2-bitSep 17 00:11
MinceRsebsebseb: he's here to troll, like ender wasSep 17 00:12
schestowitzonly one is usedSep 17 00:12
DrPizzasebsebseb: because they like to insult me on their pissant Web site, and I like to laugh at themSep 17 00:12
schestowitzddSep 17 00:12
MinceRsebsebseb: maybe he came to sell mpeg-la patents to usSep 17 00:12
schestowitzzeroing the parrtitionSep 17 00:12
MinceRlicenses, i meanSep 17 00:12
twitterwho's insulting you, DrPizza?Sep 17 00:12
sebsebsebMinceR: nah I woudn't call DrPizza a troll from what I have seen,  except for maybe just now in a way, but then again, it's ok to express opinion here normally?  freedom of speech?Sep 17 00:12
DrPizzatwitter: schestowitz does quite regularly.Sep 17 00:12
MinceRsebsebseb: i wouldn't call his style "normal"Sep 17 00:13
schestowitzDrPizza: calling you Microsoft booister is not an insultSep 17 00:13
twitterreally?  who are you?Sep 17 00:13
ThistleWebhow can anything be a success if people dont actually opt to buy it, but buy a new pc with it on by default and can't opt outSep 17 00:13
schestowitzIt's a factual statementSep 17 00:13
schestowitzAnd now you do this in IRC tooSep 17 00:13
MinceRtwitter: some editor at Arse Technica, iircSep 17 00:13
twitterlolSep 17 00:13
DrPizzaThistleWeb: they can opt out.Sep 17 00:13
*sebsebseb thinks ThistleWeb made a interesting pointSep 17 00:13
DrPizzaThistleWeb: they just don't.Sep 17 00:13
schestowitzMinceR: writer/contribSep 17 00:13
ThistleWebconsumers cantSep 17 00:13
*MinceR thinks m$ boosters will never get ThistleWeb's pointSep 17 00:13
schestowitzif he edited the site, it would be deadSep 17 00:13
sebsebsebDrPizza: as far as I know,  most OEM's pre isntall, WIndows, on the computers they sell to consumers, and that's itSep 17 00:14
schestowitzars has some god sectionsSep 17 00:14
schestowitzlike their coverage of copyright  mattersSep 17 00:14
schestowitzI notice that emil quit peter's sectionSep 17 00:14
twitterif that guy is an editor at Ars Technia, Ars Technia is a rag.Sep 17 00:14
schestowitzjust a sign of failure IMHOSep 17 00:14
ThistleWebyou buy a PC, it comes with windows, not even listed as a chargable part, they won't sell it without windowsSep 17 00:14
schestowitzHe went to work for the tabloid called zdnetSep 17 00:14
ThistleWebso you buy a PC, you pay for windowsSep 17 00:14
schestowitzyellow it blogsSep 17 00:14
ThistleWebeven if you dont want itSep 17 00:14
sebsebsebDrPizza: You get insulted on a website?  You mean the Techrights blog?Sep 17 00:15
cubezzzyou can buy a computer without a hard drive, that solves the problemSep 17 00:15
MinceRcubezzz: not alwaysSep 17 00:15
ThistleWebof course, buy in parts an build, but prebuiltSep 17 00:15
ThistleWebit's windows or windowsSep 17 00:15
MinceRi suspect it depends on what class of computer it is and what country you're ordering fromSep 17 00:15
schestowitztwitter: ars has god sectionsSep 17 00:15
schestowitzand tim b lee used to write thereSep 17 00:15
schestowitznow he's in forbesSep 17 00:15
cubezzzor buy used... save a lot of $$$ that waySep 17 00:15
schestowitznate anderson is still at arseSep 17 00:15
cubezzzthe world is drowning in used computers Sep 17 00:16
twitterSo, DrPizza, you think insulting people here will convince Roy that you are not a clown?Sep 17 00:16
DrPizzatwitter: insulting who?Sep 17 00:16
cubezzzah, it's Friday FIght Night I see :)Sep 17 00:16
schestowitzfoul languageSep 17 00:16
schestowitzas noted by the op, goblinSep 17 00:16
twitterpromotion of garbage like Windows 2003Sep 17 00:16
DrPizzalolSep 17 00:16
DrPizza"foul language"Sep 17 00:16
DrPizzalolSep 17 00:16
schestowitzlol indeedSep 17 00:16
twitterthat's insulting.Sep 17 00:16
DrPizzatwitter: no it isn't.Sep 17 00:17
schestowitztoday he's not using foul languageSep 17 00:17
schestowitzhe softened with age :-)Sep 17 00:17
DrPizzaThistleWeb: there are OEMs who sell PCs without Windows, people are free to buy their productsSep 17 00:17
twitterI've seen some of his comments.Sep 17 00:17
DrPizzaThistleWeb: but it turns out that, guess what, lots of people want Windows.Sep 17 00:17
twitterit's not worth researchingSep 17 00:17
sebsebsebDrPizza: they want WIndows since that's what they know, since all the lock in there is out thereSep 17 00:17
MinceRguess what, lots of people don't want windowsSep 17 00:17
tessierNobody who sells any real volume sells without Windows.Sep 17 00:17
sebsebsebDrPizza: they are brought up using a computer iwth WIndows, at schools, and jobs, and so on, so that's what they knowSep 17 00:18
DrPizzaMinceR: then they're free to not buy itSep 17 00:18
MinceRDrPizza: sure, they're free to not buy a laptop, for exampleSep 17 00:18
twittereek, he did it again.  my intelligence is insulted -> DrPizza: ThistleWeb: but it turns out that, guess what, lots of people want Windows.Sep 17 00:18
MinceRDrPizza: also, i've put cyanide in your water, but you're free to not drink anySep 17 00:18
DrPizzaMinceR: or they could buy a laptop witout WindowsSep 17 00:18
MinceRnot here, at least not nearly in the same varietySep 17 00:18
schestowitznext thing you know, he;'s tell us that many kids want genital mutilationSep 17 00:19
sebsebsebDrPizza: and not many OEM's sell  many if any computers that  have no OS on them pre installed, and hardly any  sell Linux distros pre installed, and some do, but made it hard to buy that, and don't really make it clear to all their customers that they can, for example  Dell  when it comes to UbuntuSep 17 00:19
MinceRthey might still sell dHells with freedos, but they're still dHells...Sep 17 00:19
DrPizzaOEMs have tried selling machines with Linux preinstalledSep 17 00:19
DrPizzaguess whatSep 17 00:19
cubezzzsome Dells are OKSep 17 00:19
MinceRguess what, they didn't try it hereSep 17 00:19
DrPizzathey only managed server salesSep 17 00:19
cubezzzI'm using a Optiplex GX110 right now and it works fine Sep 17 00:19
MinceRand guess what, dHell tried hard to make it failSep 17 00:19
DrPizzaMinceR: they tried it in the UK and US, and IDGAF about any other marketSep 17 00:19
MinceRvery classySep 17 00:19
twitterActually, Asus is putting out another nice EEE PC.  It still conforms to Microsoft's hardware limitations for gnu/linux and "netbooks" but it's a computer without Windows.Sep 17 00:19
MinceRyou can't buy an Eee PC without windows in hungarySep 17 00:20
schestowitzasus abandoned windows in soem areasSep 17 00:20
twitterit's a new one.Sep 17 00:20
sebsebsebDrPizza: and if they start making it clear that people can buy Ubuntu,  yep Dell for example, or Acer even, and make it all clear to all their customers,  and provide quite a lot of machines with it pre installed, I guess Micrsooft won't be very  happy at all, and then get stupid about them pre installing Windows  want more money to do thatSep 17 00:20
twitterwill come with megoSep 17 00:20
schestowitzIncluding its new tabletsSep 17 00:20
schestowitzMicrosoft is now working on limiting those tooSep 17 00:20
schestowitzAnd extorting Android makersSep 17 00:20
sebsebseb!google acer ubuntuSep 17 00:20
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - AspireOne - Community Ubuntu Documentation | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOneSep 17 00:20
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Ubuntu on Acer | Ubuntu | http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/make/AcerSep 17 00:20
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Linux on Acer Laptops & Notebook Computers | http://www.linux-laptop.net/acer.htmlSep 17 00:20
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Ubuntu Netbook Remix on the Acer Aspire One | Linux Journal | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/ubuntu-netbook-remix-acer-aspire-one-netbookSep 17 00:20
schestowitzBut some are laughing Microsoft reps out of the buildingSep 17 00:20
twitterhttp://liliputing.com/2011/09/hands-on-with-the-asus-eee-pc-x101-meego-netbook.htmlSep 17 00:20
sebsebseb!moreSep 17 00:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Hands on with the Asus Eee PC X101 MeeGo netbook - Liliputing .::. Size~: 40.78 KBSep 17 00:20
schestowitzMicrosoft doesn't scare them like it used toSep 17 00:20
sebsebseb!google dell ubuntuSep 17 00:21
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Ubuntu on Dell | Ubuntu | http://www.ubuntu.com/dellSep 17 00:21
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Desktop Computers & All-In-One Computers – Home & Home ... - Dell | http://www.dell.com/us/p/desktopsSep 17 00:21
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Dell - Dell Linux - Community Web | http://linux.dell.com/Sep 17 00:21
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Has Dell Dropped Ubuntu Linux? | News & Opinion | PCMag.com | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2366953,00.aspSep 17 00:21
sebsebseb!moreSep 17 00:21
twitterMicrosoft has run out of bribe money.Sep 17 00:21
schestowitzmaybe it need to haul some out of other HQsSep 17 00:21
cubezzzanyways using different operating systems is interestingSep 17 00:21
schestowitzInstead of borrowing billions in the USSep 17 00:21
sebsebsebcubezzz: I think so to, but not used that many really.Sep 17 00:21
cubezzzgot Unix v7 and 2.11BSD running, plus a bunch of othersSep 17 00:21
twitterI thought buying an older macbook air would be nice.  soon enough, Asus and others will have nicer models.Sep 17 00:22
schestowitzif Microsoft market cap falls further it'll have insufficient amount to back loans withSep 17 00:22
schestowitztwitter: it's not just bribe money, android is out of controlSep 17 00:22
schestowitzMicrosoft can no longer contain itSep 17 00:22
twitterrightSep 17 00:22
schestowitzso it uses trolls and patent trolls nowSep 17 00:22
schestowitzAnd extortsSep 17 00:22
twitterMicrosoft can still punish "partners"Sep 17 00:23
schestowitzCompanies also choose Android because it's better than the one-legged camel called WP7Sep 17 00:23
DrPizzayeah, better for being taken to court.Sep 17 00:23
schestowitztwitter: like who?Sep 17 00:23
schestowitzHP?Sep 17 00:23
twitterLike they punished Asus.Sep 17 00:23
schestowitzhere we have the new talking pointSep 17 00:24
schestowitzAbou Android being "illegal"Sep 17 00:24
schestowitzBecause Microsoft's cartel organises many lawsuits against itSep 17 00:24
schestowitzpassing patents to trollsSep 17 00:24
DrPizzalolSep 17 00:24
schestowitzanyway, I don't have time to argue with Internet trollsSep 17 00:24
schestowitzI need to get back to cables and postsSep 17 00:24
twitterCableGate is showing collusion to make gnu/linux illegal Sep 17 00:24
DrPizzap. sure it's Apple who's had the galtab 10.1 blockedSep 17 00:24
cubezzzmake GNU/Linux illegal?Sep 17 00:25
twitteranything that lacks DRM will get a trade slapSep 17 00:25
cubezzzhow would they do that?Sep 17 00:25
twitterAsk Brazil. Sep 17 00:25
MinceRor read the cable about itSep 17 00:25
MinceRhttp://homembit.com/2011/09/microsofts-attack-on-brazilian-national-sovereignty-wikileaks-microsoft-odf-and-openxml.htmlSep 17 00:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft’s attack on Brazilian national sovereignty: Wikileaks, Microsoft, ODF and OpenXML   | void life(void) .::. Size~: 30.11 KBSep 17 00:25
twitterBrazil moved towards gnu/linux.  Microsoft called it "piracy" and put up trade restrictions.Sep 17 00:25
cubezzzbut it's not piracySep 17 00:26
twitterThat's really an attack on software freedom.Sep 17 00:26
MinceRsee, this is the company these m$ boosters championSep 17 00:26
MinceRit's not only an attack on software freedomSep 17 00:26
twitterIt's not piracy, but they say it is and were able to punish.Sep 17 00:26
cubezzzmore Linux use would mean less piracySep 17 00:26
MinceRit's also an attack on standardization and the sovereignty of Brazil and other states.Sep 17 00:26
twitterattacks on software freedom are all of those attacks at onceSep 17 00:26
cubezzzI was always worried they would lock up the BIOS somehowSep 17 00:26
twittersee ACPISep 17 00:27
MinceRthen again, the m$ booster mentioned "christ" -- maybe this is just part of the fabled "christian morality"Sep 17 00:27
MinceR(as in, fuck kids, offer virgin girls for rape, hold people guilty for the sins of their ancestors, etc.)Sep 17 00:27
twitterMicrosoft will continue to insist that gnu/linux is piracy because it lacks digital handcuffs.  They want it to be illegal. Sep 17 00:28
twitterBecause they have succeeded in getting trade restrictions based on gnu/linux use, I'd say they have succeeded in making gnu/linux illegal. Sep 17 00:29
cubezzzanyone can download it and install it thoughSep 17 00:29
DrPizzaMinceR: fyi, fucking kids is more a catholic thing than a christian one, and there a replenty of protestants who regard catholics as non-christian due to their veneration of mary and the saintsSep 17 00:29
MinceRDrPizza: yaySep 17 00:29
MinceRthat makes you a saint, thenSep 17 00:29
cubezzzthe genie is out of the bottle twitterSep 17 00:29
cubezzzeven local computer stores put out live CDs hereSep 17 00:30
twitterI would hope so.Sep 17 00:30
DrPizzalinux: so bad that even if you give it away, nobody wants itSep 17 00:30
MinceRDrPizza: the person who likes to talk to people he claims don't existSep 17 00:31
ThistleWebmary & the saints sounds like a 60's mowtown bandSep 17 00:31
DrPizzaThistleWeb: hehSep 17 00:31
twitterWhat do you make of Android, DrPizza?Sep 17 00:31
MinceRit isn't from microsoft, so it's unholySep 17 00:32
MinceRobviouslySep 17 00:32
twitterit looks like an easy to use Linux that everyone uses and wants. Sep 17 00:32
DrPizzatwitter: there are some interesting parts (e.g. the whole intents system) but of little value on the desktopSep 17 00:32
ThistleWebchoice means allowing people to choose windows if they like, but not forcing themSep 17 00:32
twitterChrome OS has little value?Sep 17 00:32
cubezzzlet's see, HDTVs, ereaders, routers, etc, etcSep 17 00:32
cubezzzI think that refutes DrPizza Sep 17 00:33
MinceRhe's trying to avoid the questionSep 17 00:33
DrPizzatwitter: chromeOS isn't AndroidSep 17 00:33
MinceRDrPizza: what do you make of the success of Android?Sep 17 00:33
DrPizzatwitter: I think ChromeOS would be quite a bit better if it were AndroidSep 17 00:33
DrPizzatwitter: then at least it could run local apps and so would function properly when disconnected from a networkSep 17 00:33
twitterIt's free software, what makes you think ChromeOS won't have local aps?Sep 17 00:34
DrPizzauhhhSep 17 00:34
twitterIt already functions away from a network.Sep 17 00:34
DrPizzathe sandboxing?Sep 17 00:34
MinceRhe isn't familiar with html5, apparently :>Sep 17 00:34
twitteryou don't think people will make what they want with that sandbox if Chrome OS is free software?Sep 17 00:35
twitteror run their own management programs that install the software they want?Sep 17 00:35
MinceRno wonder -- standard html is yet another synonym for devil in the m$ cultSep 17 00:35
DrPizzatwitter: it will not really be Chrome OS, but rather a fork, no?Sep 17 00:35
twitteryes, so what?Sep 17 00:35
DrPizzaso you're changing the subject?Sep 17 00:35
DrPizzayou asked about chrome OSSep 17 00:36
DrPizzanot forks of Chrome OSSep 17 00:36
twitterAndroid forks have done nothing to slow down Android's rise to dominance.Sep 17 00:36
MinceRthat's richSep 17 00:36
MinceRDrPizza talks about someone changing the subjectSep 17 00:36
twitterWe're talking about the coming dominance of free software ... on the desktop.Sep 17 00:36
DrPizzalolSep 17 00:36
twitterI see, that explains everything.Sep 17 00:36
MinceRah, the standard m$ fanboy argument, "lol"Sep 17 00:36
MinceRwe know that all too well hereSep 17 00:36
DrPizzatwitter: you asked about chrome OS, I answered.Sep 17 00:36
DrPizzayou are now talkin gabout hypothetical ChromeOS forksSep 17 00:37
twitterthere's nothing hypothetical about software freedomSep 17 00:37
DrPizzawhich ChromeOS forks allow regular local apps?Sep 17 00:37
twitter!ChomeOS modSep 17 00:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @laurelrusswurm: that's 1 reason 4 yesterday's #DemocracyDay & #DemocracyWeek *now* Most people know something's wrong not what #fairvoteSep 17 00:37
twitter!google ChromeOS modSep 17 00:37
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Chrome Os Hacks | Hack N Mod | http://hacknmod.com/tag/chrome-os/Sep 17 00:37
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Download Google Chrome OS (Virtual Machine) | Hack N Mod | http://hacknmod.com/hack/download-google-chrome-os-virtual-machine/Sep 17 00:37
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - CR-48 notebook pilot program - Chrome OS Forum | http://www.chromeosforums.net/forum/chromebook-forum/36-cr-48-notebook-pilot-program.htmlSep 17 00:37
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Chrome OS: Cherry modded for Wi-Fi Support | http://techie-buzz.com/foss/chrome-os-cherry-wifi.htmlSep 17 00:37
twitter!google ChromeOS mod local application Sep 17 00:38
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - UltraVNC • View topic - Google Chrome OS | https://forum.ultravnc.net/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D4%26t%3D28199Sep 17 00:38
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Chrome OS to get Native Applications [Chromoting] | http://geeknizer.com/chrome-os-native-applications/Sep 17 00:38
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - CR-48 notebook pilot program - Chrome OS Forum | http://www.chromeosforums.net/forum/chromebook-forum/36-cr-48-notebook-pilot-program.htmlSep 17 00:38
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Google Shows First Chrome OS Laptops - WSJ.com | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703296604576005741472538656.htmlSep 17 00:38
MinceRhttp://www.w3.org/TR/offline-webapps/Sep 17 00:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Offline Web Applications .::. Size~: 11.83 KBSep 17 00:38
DrPizzaMinceR: hehSep 17 00:38
ThistleWebI'd love to see Microsoft be forced to refund the Windows license for EVERYONE who bought a PC with windows preinstalled and didn't explicitly state they wanted windows, and knew it was a chargable extraSep 17 00:38
twitterso, DrPizza, what makes you think ChromeOS won't follow the Android trajectory ?Sep 17 00:38
ThistleWebwith no cut off date, right from day 1Sep 17 00:39
*MinceR guesses "blind hope"Sep 17 00:39
twitterSteve Ballmer says so.Sep 17 00:39
MinceRthat tooSep 17 00:39
ThistleWeblet the retailers bring prrof of customers actually seeing an option to buy with or without windows and choosing windowsSep 17 00:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Busy week at work? Missed the news?! Early bird registrations are now open for #LCA2012 linux.conf.au! bit.ly/pw29oC #linux #opensourceSep 17 00:39
DrPizzatwitter: so when do you think ChromeOS will gain a 50% market share?Sep 17 00:39
twitterthree yearsSep 17 00:39
DrPizzaMinceR: NaCl would be a more relevant link. That's closer to real apps, but still not as good as what Android offers.Sep 17 00:40
ThistleWebanything they can't prove like that, assumes they didn't choose windows, they simply chose a new PC, which only came with windowsSep 17 00:40
MinceRDrPizza: you said "local apps" and "offline"Sep 17 00:40
MinceRyou also complained about "changing the subject"Sep 17 00:40
DrPizzaMinceR: right, I want apps at least as good as Android offers, which ChromeOS doesn't supportSep 17 00:40
DrPizzabut Android doesSep 17 00:40
MinceRdefine "good"Sep 17 00:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] blogged "Democracy Week" http://ur1.ca/53trw .... trying to get a plug in for tonight's event , published w/o all photos ... still adding :)Sep 17 00:41
twitterChromeOS will offer things Microsoft and Apple can't match.  It already does cool things like remote printing.Sep 17 00:41
MinceRalso, the discussion isn't about what you want, but about market share and installed baseSep 17 00:41
MinceR:>Sep 17 00:41
twitterlike printing from your cell phone.Sep 17 00:41
twitterto your desktopSep 17 00:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Democracy Week  «  Oh! Canada .::. Size~: 44.29 KBSep 17 00:41
ThistleWebI'd love to see every retailer list with / without windows, including the price of windows as a separate item.....THEN they can say people CHOOSE windowsSep 17 00:42
DrPizzaMinceR: native-level performance, filesystem access, persistent, disconnected operation, etc.Sep 17 00:42
twitteradvantages like that will put ChromeOS on top of purchasing lists.  It's already been there at Amazon. Sep 17 00:42
DrPizzaMinceR: stuff that HTML5 only really offers a subset of.Sep 17 00:42
ThistleWebwhat they can't do is call it a "windows sale", when it's a licenseSep 17 00:43
twitterMicrosoft's continuing decline and ChromeOS advantages will make ChromeOS a no brainer at big business. Sep 17 00:43
DrPizzatwitter: in 3 years? lolSep 17 00:43
twitteryesSep 17 00:43
DrPizzaI don't think ChromeOS will even crack 10% in 3 yearsSep 17 00:43
twitteryou don't think so much as you curseSep 17 00:44
MinceRhe hopes, i just don't know for whatSep 17 00:44
twitteranyone who can still say things about "linux" after the rise of Android is not thinking at allSep 17 00:44
MinceRin general, what do microsoft fanboys expect from microsoft's success? nothing will trickle down to them from anything m$ ever does, just crappy products and diminished freedomSep 17 00:44
MinceRcheering for windows in general requires "not thinking at all"Sep 17 00:45
twitteran editor at Ars Technia will get a few perks.Sep 17 00:45
MinceRbut for how long?Sep 17 00:45
twittermaybe a ride on Paul's big boat.Sep 17 00:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz that's a lovely idea (always in the mood for steak tho pinned down by sleeping cat and thus unable 2 get even a peanutbutter sandwich)Sep 17 00:46
twitterI imagine Paul's boat will be sailing for quite some time.Sep 17 00:46
MinceRwhat if microsoft takes over all the governments of the world using monopoly and backdoors?Sep 17 00:46
twitterthey already haveSep 17 00:46
twitterthose governments need to liberate themselvesSep 17 00:46
MinceRwhat if they gain 100% market share in all computer-based devices and issue an ultimatum "set up the new world government with us in all the leading position or we're shutting all your electronics down"?Sep 17 00:48
twittersomeone would nuke themSep 17 00:49
MinceRit's folly to think that they'll give anything to the little people who propped them upSep 17 00:49
twitterthat's trueSep 17 00:49
twittera ride on a boat is cheapSep 17 00:49
MinceRyet they go around chanting praises for not only m$'s products but also their conductSep 17 00:49
twitteralmost as cheap as the whores on itSep 17 00:49
twitterSuch perks go a long way to buying favorable press.Sep 17 00:50
twitterIf that does not make sense, it's because it does not make sense for people to fall for it.Sep 17 00:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/slashdot/status/114808890666926080Sep 17 00:54
TechrightsBot-tr@slashdot: 6.6 Magnitude Earthquake Off the Coast of Japan http://t.co/iqn5ds8QSep 17 00:54
TechrightsBot-tr@: Sep 17 00:54
schestowitzanother ms advert from /. this evening https://twitter.com/slashdot/status/114826213339570177Sep 17 00:54
TechrightsBot-tr@slashdot: Ballmer Hints At 'Metro-ization' of Office http://t.co/z4aujr6CSep 17 00:54
TechrightsBot-tr@: Sep 17 00:54
twitteruh ohSep 17 00:54
MinceRwowSep 17 00:54
MinceRthe ribbon didn't make office unusable enough?Sep 17 00:54
schestowitzwait until some skyscraper in japan falls... and people like brandon might call it "controlled demolition"Sep 17 00:55
schestowitz"it fell too beautifually!"Sep 17 00:55
schestowitzMinceR: I'm not sure it's causal at /.Sep 17 00:55
schestowitzmaybe the devils saw the metrofficeSep 17 00:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cablegate: Lord Mandelson Meets the Qaddafi Family and Dates the Copyright Lobby http://is.gd/HQ74Ca after hours of reading. #wlfindSep 17 00:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: Lord Mandelson Meets the Qaddafi Family and Dates the Copyright Lobby http://is.gd/HQ74Ca #mandelson #uk #debill #deact !wlSep 17 00:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cablegate: Lord Mandelson Meets the Qaddafi Family and Dates the Copyright Lobby | Techrights .::. Size~: 226.87 KBSep 17 00:56
schestowitzand cause the tactonic plates to shake a littkleSep 17 00:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cablegate: Lord Mandelson Meets the Qaddafi Family and Dates the Copyright Lobby | Techrights .::. Size~: 226.87 KBSep 17 00:56
schestowitzwho would actually choose office when it's online?Sep 17 00:58
schestowitzthere's no compelling reason anymoreSep 17 00:58
schestowitzunless you'e an OOXML fan like Miguel dePizzaSep 17 00:58
MinceRthere are many irrational reasonsSep 17 00:59
MinceRsuch as "the company it's from is really rich, therefore it must be great"Sep 17 00:59
schestowitzIt isSep 17 00:59
twitterI'm not sure how the Microsoft people get away with saying "stick with what's familiar" while changing everything users care about.Sep 17 00:59
schestowitzits cofoudner sat next to Jesus JobsSep 17 00:59
MinceRtwitter: users are stupid, that's howSep 17 00:59
twittersome areSep 17 01:00
MinceRthey probably don't know they could look for alternativesSep 17 01:00
twitterbut it's more a monopoly trickSep 17 01:00
cubezzzpeople are more savvy now, it's just that everyone uses computers nowSep 17 01:00
schestowitzoh, and don't use the "poor jobs is dying" to defend jobs from criticism btwSep 17 01:00
twitterhttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110912/13500315912/hollywood-accounting-darth-vader-not-getting-paid-because-return-jedi-still-isnt-profitable.shtmlSep 17 01:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Hollywood Accounting: Darth Vader Not Getting Paid, Because Return Of The Jedi Still Isn't Profitable | Techdirt .::. Size~: 265.17 KBSep 17 01:00
schestowitzI'm ted of thisSep 17 01:00
schestowitzI started teasing mac isiots by justust doing this on purpose to test their reactionsSep 17 01:00
MinceR:>Sep 17 01:00
schestowitzHey, I'm sure that even if he died, he'd be resurrected after a fw days and ascend to Heaven Sep 17 01:01
MinceR"ban cancer, because cancer is killing jobs"Sep 17 01:01
twitterthrough the shiny glass doors Sep 17 01:01
schestowitzMinceR: Sep 17 01:01
schestowitz!google apple is killing jobsSep 17 01:01
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Apple is Killing Jobs, Killing Products | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/08/10/apple-destructive-company/Sep 17 01:01
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Steve Jobs Doesn't Want to Kill Publishers, But Apple's Subscription ... | http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/19/apple-kill-publishers/Sep 17 01:01
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Apple IPad Killing US Jobs, Says Clueless Congressman | The Daily ... | http://www.minyanville.com/dailyfeed/2011/04/18/apple-ipad-killing-us-jobs/Sep 17 01:01
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Jesse Jackson Jr | iPad Kills Jobs | Video | Mediaite | http://www.mediaite.com/online/rep-jesse-jackson-jr-says-apples-ipad-kills-american-jobs/Sep 17 01:01
twitterJobs' spirit fills the empty spaces of Apple stores everywhere Sep 17 01:02
MinceR:>Sep 17 01:02
schestowitzmind the dateSep 17 01:02
schestowitzthat was when he still served as CEOSep 17 01:02
schestowitzso att hen time it wasn't tastelessSep 17 01:02
twitter!google jobs is killing appleSep 17 01:02
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Apple is Killing Jobs, Killing Products | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/08/10/apple-destructive-company/Sep 17 01:02
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Jon Bon Jovi: 'Apple's Steve Jobs is killing the music business ... | http://www.nme.com/news/bon-jovi/55450Sep 17 01:02
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Steve Jobs is killing Apple - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DD0S9J0oJjNcSep 17 01:02
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Jesse Jackson Jr | iPad Kills Jobs | Video | Mediaite | http://www.mediaite.com/online/rep-jesse-jackson-jr-says-apples-ipad-kills-american-jobs/Sep 17 01:02
MinceRconsidering jobs' conduct, it never is tastelessSep 17 01:02
twitter!google you are killing meSep 17 01:03
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Stop, You're Killing Me! | http://www.stopyourekillingme.com/Sep 17 01:03
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Urban Dictionary: You're killing me | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3DYou%27re%2520killing%2520meSep 17 01:03
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - You Kill Me (2007) - IMDb | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796375/Sep 17 01:03
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - You Killing Me's sounds on SoundCloud - Create, record and share ... | http://soundcloud.com/youkillingmeSep 17 01:03
schestowitzto some people who worship apple it isSep 17 01:03
MinceRthey can get screwedSep 17 01:03
schestowitzand riling them up to test the warer can be interestingSep 17 01:03
schestowitzit's like when you insult someone's religionSep 17 01:03
schestowitzor yaweh, or naild sonSep 17 01:03
MinceRit's exactly insulting someone's religionSep 17 01:03
twitterJobs got cancer and died, how gauche Sep 17 01:03
MinceRapple and microsoft are religionsSep 17 01:03
MinceRtwitter: maybe he'll make cancer coolSep 17 01:04
schestowitzmany people die frommcancer all the timeSep 17 01:04
schestowitzprobably hundreds of thousands a daySep 17 01:04
twitterlike black shirts and sneakers ?Sep 17 01:04
MinceR"die from cancer different"?Sep 17 01:04
schestowitzsome of them were harmless to civilisationSep 17 01:04
schestowitzunlike jobsSep 17 01:04
twitterdie differentSep 17 01:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Want to go to #LCA2012 linux.conf.au? Not sure how to convince your boss to send you? We can help! http://bit.ly/pq8x4PSep 17 01:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @boycottnovell Cablegate: Lord Mandelson Meets the Qaddafi Family and Dates the Copyright Lobby http://is.gd/HQ74Ca #mandelson #uk #d ...Sep 17 01:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Convincing your boss to send you to linux.conf.au -  linux.conf.au 2012 | 16 - 20 Jan | Under the stars .::. Size~: 22.9 KBSep 17 01:04
twitterget the gaunt lookSep 17 01:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cablegate: Lord Mandelson Meets the Qaddafi Family and Dates the Copyright Lobby | Techrights .::. Size~: 226.87 KBSep 17 01:04
MinceRlolSep 17 01:04
schestowitzso why should I care about a cancer patient in his 60s more thana  child with cancer?Sep 17 01:04
schestowitzI lost family mambers to cancerSep 17 01:04
schestowitzmembersSep 17 01:04
MinceRyou might lose your freedom to this oneSep 17 01:05
twitterpediatric cancer is far more distressing that the injustice that happens to old peopleSep 17 01:05
schestowitzliekke pension of baby boomers?Sep 17 01:05
schestowitzI know some old people who have no retirement fundSep 17 01:06
schestowitzI can imagine they'd have to leave on meager benefits enough barely for food... till they dieSep 17 01:06
twitterI was referring to the ordinary cancer I look at every day.Sep 17 01:06
schestowitzOne heck of a "retirement" to look forward to, eh?Sep 17 01:06
twitterThe other stuff is distressing.Sep 17 01:06
schestowitzcancer takes many forusmsSep 17 01:07
twitterAccording to Obama, retirement and medical care are "entitlements"Sep 17 01:07
schestowitzI'm not sure why it's classified as it isSep 17 01:07
schestowitztoday I met a friend of mine who's a heart surgeon and deals with one type of itSep 17 01:07
schestowitzsome people get cancer from smokingSep 17 01:07
schestowitzin which case they partly have themselves to blameSep 17 01:07
twittersmoking gives lots of people cancer, it should not be legal to sell that trash. Sep 17 01:08
schestowitzbut for other forms of cancer it's more likely that they contributed nothing towards the fate, not knowingly anywaySep 17 01:08
twitterburning coal is next in lineSep 17 01:08
schestowitztwitter: well, banning it is taking away one's freedomSep 17 01:08
schestowitzI'm against banning itSep 17 01:08
MinceRwhy not let people choose?Sep 17 01:08
schestowitzJust respecting peopl's freedom not to be subjected to other peoipel's smokeSep 17 01:09
schestowitzWhich is where laws have been heading anywaySep 17 01:09
twitterbanning sales is different from banning the thingSep 17 01:09
MinceRthe information is available, they should be able to make an informed decisionSep 17 01:09
schestowitzFreedom is OK, but when it takes away the freedom of others, then...Sep 17 01:09
MinceRnot very differentSep 17 01:09
sebsebsebMinceR: twitter schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hq95vtoS28Sep 17 01:09
twittermy neighbors smoke.Sep 17 01:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Reimagines Windows, Presents Windows 8 Developer Preview       - YouTube .::. Size~: 93.8 KBSep 17 01:09
twitterI'm not free to escape it.Sep 17 01:09
sebsebsebhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hq95vtoS28Sep 17 01:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Reimagines Windows, Presents Windows 8 Developer Preview       - YouTube .::. Size~: 94.06 KBSep 17 01:09
MinceRsebsebseb: what's this one about?Sep 17 01:09
sebsebsebMinceR: them showing it at some thing heh hehSep 17 01:09
schestowitzsebsebseb: it's not slashddot hereSep 17 01:09
sebsebsebschestowitz: heh hehSep 17 01:10
schestowitzI'd rather than bask in the idiocy of marketing from MicrosoftSep 17 01:10
twitterbut few would say that people can't smoke in their homesSep 17 01:10
schestowitzI did some denting about it, never actually linked to the Microsoft PRSep 17 01:10
schestowitzintentially Sep 17 01:10
schestowitz(intentionallySep 17 01:10
twitterI'd like to make it difficult for people to profit from selling poison that stinks up my day, every day.Sep 17 01:10
sebsebsebtwitter: Windows 8 you mean?Sep 17 01:10
sebsebseboh smokingSep 17 01:11
schestowitzsame thingSep 17 01:11
schestowitz:-)Sep 17 01:11
twitterno, for Vista, I'd rather remove government protection :  copyright on binary filesSep 17 01:11
twitterthat would take care of a lotSep 17 01:11
twitteronly source code should enjoy government copyright protectionSep 17 01:11
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/slashdot/status/114826213339570177Sep 17 01:12
TechrightsBot-tr@slashdot: Ballmer Hints At 'Metro-ization' of Office http://t.co/z4aujr6CSep 17 01:12
TechrightsBot-tr@: Sep 17 01:12
twitterbecause only source code is human readable and can enter the public domain. Sep 17 01:12
MinceRsebsebseb: now i know throwing a GUI designed for people who are too stupid to understand the file system on top of something is "reimagining it from the bottom"Sep 17 01:12
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLL41FlIMsQSep 17 01:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Brett Keane and/or Poop       - YouTube .::. Size~: 94.58 KBSep 17 01:12
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2005/11/21/windows-is-smoking/Sep 17 01:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » Windows is Like… Smoking .::. Size~: 31.59 KBSep 17 01:13
MinceRwow, "applications can be side by side"Sep 17 01:13
twitter"Ballmer goes Metro"  the low stuff that Microsoft dips to for buzz. Sep 17 01:13
MinceRit's really this, after all >> http://charlie.amigaspirit.hu/temp/windows-1-vs-8.jpegSep 17 01:14
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting image/jpeg typeSep 17 01:14
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah one of those Micrsooft's videos, it's like, here's the file system, your photos go thereSep 17 01:14
twitterbblSep 17 01:15
schestowitzMaybe it's a matter of taste, but vista8 looks like **** to meSep 17 01:15
schestowitzIt looks uglier thqan the vista mockups (llnghorn) Microsoft shows in a 2002 demo)Sep 17 01:16
schestowitz"Coming in 2003" LOLSep 17 01:16
schestowitzVista came in 2007 and bombedSep 17 01:16
MinceRfinally, your pc can display as little data on a 22" screen as on a 3" screenSep 17 01:17
MinceRbecause that's what you always wanted!Sep 17 01:17
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitzSep 17 01:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Why trying to control culture doesn't work: “http://twitpic.com/462u37”Sep 17 01:17
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*schestowitz removes ban on *!*brandon@d72-38-2-153.commercial1.cgocable.netSep 17 01:18
MinceRfixing our current shortage of trolls? :>Sep 17 01:18
*schestowitz removes ban on Fike!*@*Sep 17 01:18
*schestowitz removes ban on 30BAAVSPC!*@*Sep 17 01:18
*schestowitz removes ban on 14WAASEE8!*@*Sep 17 01:18
*schestowitz removes ban on *!*q@31.64.32.229Sep 17 01:18
*schestowitz removes ban on *!*q@31.64.32.*Sep 17 01:18
*schestowitz removes ban on *!*kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.comSep 17 01:18
*schestowitz removes ban on *!*None@*.upc-e.chello.nlSep 17 01:18
*schestowitz removes ban on *!*Fike@*.modeltele.comSep 17 01:18
*schestowitz removes ban on *!*@rev-crew.infoSep 17 01:18
*schestowitz removes ban on *!*@gateway/*/ip.71.209.128.196Sep 17 01:18
*schestowitz removes ban on *!*@gateway/*/ip.24.117.*Sep 17 01:18
*schestowitz removes ban on *!*@gateway/*/ip.24.116.*Sep 17 01:18
*schestowitz removes ban on *!*@*.cpe.cableone.netSep 17 01:18
schestowitzload the bb gunSep 17 01:19
MinceRyou mean the ban gun?Sep 17 01:19
schestowitzIt's beter to keep tight listsSep 17 01:19
MinceRit would be better to keep an AKICK listSep 17 01:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @reality @psquid what counts though, i lump daft punk in with prodigy etc usuallySep 17 01:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @reality @psquid MORE THAN EVER HOUR AFTER . OUR WORK IS NEVER OVERSep 17 01:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Why trying to control culture doesn't work: http://twitpic.com/462u37 /via @neptune78Sep 17 01:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: If you've ever "walked in" on your parents, yo... on Twitpic .::. Size~: 11.68 KBSep 17 01:19
schestowitzI don't even know what those bans areSep 17 01:19
MinceRthat doesn't go against the channel ban list limitSep 17 01:19
MinceRwell, the gateway bans were on snitSep 17 01:19
MinceRand the cableone one was tooSep 17 01:19
schestowitzI think there's only one trolls till actively purusing diruption of channelsSep 17 01:19
MinceRthe others were probably bot abusers, flooders and suchSep 17 01:20
schestowitzYou have another chance to show why they're bannedSep 17 01:20
schestowitzI personally don't like banning people, it backfires... but sometimes others get fed upSep 17 01:21
MinceRif we bumped into a limit on the AKICK list (i'm not sure if it does), we can still maintain a bot to remember bans and enforce themSep 17 01:21
schestowitzAnd then that ruuins the channelSep 17 01:21
schestowitzsee /.Sep 17 01:21
MinceRi don't see it backfireSep 17 01:21
schestowitzThey were too openSep 17 01:21
schestowitzOpen to AppleSep 17 01:21
schestowitzOpen to MicrosoftSep 17 01:21
MinceRi saw the noise from trolls ruin the channelSep 17 01:21
schestowitzAnd it become Noise for GeeklsSep 17 01:21
MinceRhaving to explain the same old simple things 20x to various idiots who pretended to be ignorantSep 17 01:21
MinceRand turned out to be cultistsSep 17 01:21
schestowitzNews in GreekSep 17 01:21
MinceRwhen we could discuss technology and legal threats insteadSep 17 01:21
schestowitzyeahSep 17 01:22
schestowitzIf they troll, it'll be evident right awaySep 17 01:22
MinceRit always wasSep 17 01:22
MinceRyet we didn't ban them most of the timeSep 17 01:22
schestowitzyeahSep 17 01:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] and then TAKE her TO THE HOSPITAL #ProdigySep 17 01:22
schestowitzthey moved on to trolling elsewhereSep 17 01:22
MinceRi think we'd have a nicer and smoother experience if we banned people like snit and ender more quicklySep 17 01:22
MinceRthat's Someone Else's ProblemSep 17 01:23
schestowitzI think ender -- like daemon -- improved over time because he saw some boundariesSep 17 01:23
MinceRi don't think soSep 17 01:23
schestowitzRemember how daemon used to trolls here radivcally?Sep 17 01:23
schestowitzHe does less trolling these daysSep 17 01:23
MinceRindeedSep 17 01:23
schestowitzI saw other channels he's inSep 17 01:24
schestowitzkde Sep 17 01:24
schestowitzUbuntuSep 17 01:24
schestowitzkubuntuSep 17 01:24
schestowitzxfs iircSep 17 01:24
schestowitzthey don't ban him, eitherSep 17 01:24
MinceRender, on the other hand, just keeps calling free software proponents "communists" and the likeSep 17 01:24
schestowitzback in the days he got banned from everywhereSep 17 01:24
schestowitzLOLSep 17 01:24
schestowitzI think xchat to him as useflessSep 17 01:24
schestowitzWon't connect to any channel with people in itSep 17 01:24
schestowitzLike he was a leperSep 17 01:24
schestowitzMinceR: na, he just uses "communist" as a dog whistleSep 17 01:25
schestowitzGets him more attentionSep 17 01:25
MinceR"getting attention" is all he ever doesSep 17 01:25
schestowitzBut only dogs bark back at himSep 17 01:26
ThistleWebinteresting term "appologist", in the context of "Microsoft apologist" it means making excuses for Microsofts bad behaviour, rather than recognise it.....does the word "apologist" change when it enters here in terms of long term regular trolling?Sep 17 01:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I think so... don't remember who, but I'm pretty sure someone said Monday @realitySep 17 01:26
schestowitzTh rest ignore, or don't hear/see him (/ignore)Sep 17 01:26
MinceRtrying to come up with the vilest stupid stuff just to get a flamewar startedSep 17 01:26
MinceRThistleWeb: i think it's sense 2 of http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/apologistSep 17 01:26
ThistleWebwhat I'm seeing now is an apologist for ender etc and their trolling, argueingSep 17 01:26
schestowitzThistleWeb: I think in the context of religious itn was originally usedSep 17 01:26
TechrightsBot-trTitle: apologist - Wiktionary .::. Size~: 26.31 KBSep 17 01:26
schestowitzthe "aplogistics"Sep 17 01:27
ThistleWebtrolling = well it's ok because it's not as bad as it was before, or he only does it sometimesSep 17 01:27
schestowitz"out of context!" "God was just testing him" (apologising for god like a PR agent)Sep 17 01:27
MinceRschestowitz: if you expect everyone to ignore a given troll, then it's almost certainly better to ban him insteadSep 17 01:27
MinceRanyone who does not ignore him will feed himSep 17 01:27
schestowitzender can be asked nicelySep 17 01:28
ThistleWebcan't really out and complain about apologists for others bad behaviour when you don't deal with it on your own patchSep 17 01:28
ThistleWebso can microsoftSep 17 01:28
schestowitzor to keep OT stuff in social channelSep 17 01:28
schestowitzhe was told this before, maybe he forgotSep 17 01:28
ThistleWebit will get the same responseSep 17 01:28
schestowitz"Microsoft just gives OEM what they want"Sep 17 01:29
ThistleWebyou can ask anyone to do anythingSep 17 01:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] starting the day off with 'Omen'... thanks to the @reality kick to the head!Sep 17 01:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @JorgeStolfi As the royalty extortion mafia extends its claws, people are gradually realizing !copyright ... is a crime against mankind.Sep 17 01:29
ThistleWebthe key is whether or not they actually care enough to do as askedSep 17 01:29
schestowitz"users don't need tethering, Microsoft is right for not supporting it..."Sep 17 01:29
schestowitzThistleWeb: there's a mactroll in all channels other than thisSep 17 01:30
schestowitzAnd he seems to have chosen to show STFUSep 17 01:30
schestowitzBecause he knows the limitsSep 17 01:31
MinceRhe'll be back, since you unbanned himSep 17 01:31
ThistleWeband they say others change the subjectSep 17 01:31
schestowitzIt's like dspanking without the spanking :-)Sep 17 01:31
MinceRand he doesn't know the limitsSep 17 01:31
ThistleWebI thought the trigger for this discussion was ender in this channelSep 17 01:31
MinceRhe evaded the ban and come back and personally attacked someone present immediatelySep 17 01:31
schestowitzhe also created a site dedicated to attacking meSep 17 01:31
ThistleWebnot a mactroll inothersSep 17 01:31
MinceRs*it was here tooSep 17 01:31
schestowitzI think he wakes up in the morning just thinking about techrights and making a mmmmwahaha-styl;e laughSep 17 01:31
MinceRbefore cubezzz (iirc) got fed up with himSep 17 01:32
schestowitzremember mutex? :-)Sep 17 01:32
ThistleWebas I said, when you refuse to take action, and apologise for someone elses bad behaviour, you do exactly what other apologists doSep 17 01:32
MinceRyesSep 17 01:32
schestowitzHe would choose nicks that are insultsSep 17 01:32
schestowitzAnd try to insult merely by entering the chnnelSep 17 01:32
schestowitzhe's gone...Sep 17 01:33
MinceRthere might have been a ban on himSep 17 01:33
schestowitzmaybe thry'll get glued onto PogsonSep 17 01:33
ThistleWebnot only that, but by standing on a soapbox bemoaning the other apologists, you scream to the world that you're a hypocriteSep 17 01:33
schestowitzSome of the same trolls attacking COLSA, this channel, other Linux advocacy sites, SJVN..Sep 17 01:33
schestowitzThey even use the same nick, like they're some kind of taskforceSep 17 01:33
schestowitzMono groupies used to work like thisSep 17 01:33
schestowitzTryint o dismantle oppisitionSep 17 01:34
MinceRi wonder what they hope to gain from itSep 17 01:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Not ready to do a major linux.conf.au presentation but interested? Submit to a Miniconf instead! http://bit.ly/q2vVHg #LCA2012Sep 17 01:34
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schestowitzI wonder what cables to look at nextSep 17 01:34
schestowitzI don't want to look at just one single subject at the time, we will be better off diversifyingSep 17 01:34
schestowitzJust got this: http://twitter.com/wayneborean/status/114853752107839488?iid=am-22609974913162182433600904&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208Sep 17 01:35
TechrightsBot-tr@wayneborean: @laurelrusswurm @schestowitz @eebrah @windigo @HSM_Satan We should make #BoycottSony official. #Sony treats customers like thieves.Sep 17 01:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I wonder how much demand there is for an apologists clubSep 17 01:41
schestowitzhttp://www.cablegatesearch.net/cable.php?id=08LONDON1991Sep 17 01:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[funtoo/@funtoo] #funtoo is growing! See http://forums.funtoo.org/viewtopic.php?id=745Sep 17 01:56
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MinceRgnSep 17 02:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] melamine enriched white rabbit!Sep 17 02:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Are Mobile-Style Interfaces Leaving Desktop Power Users Behind? http://tinyurl.com/4xme5ug #windows8 #linuxSep 17 02:16
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twitterI'm toying with a replacement for the term "legacy software" which gives undeserved dignity and gravity to garbage like Windows.Sep 17 02:20
twitterRelicSep 17 02:20
twitterI think that works better than antiqueSep 17 02:21
twitterit also has overtones of institutionalism, inquisition and other madnessSep 17 02:21
twitterrelicwareSep 17 02:22
twitterhttp://onlinedealsandoffers.com/303/ast-relicware-laptop-computer-for-sale-on-ebay-what-junk/Sep 17 02:23
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twitterhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RelicSep 17 02:24
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twitterhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReliquarySep 17 02:25
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twitter"That bank's IT department is a real Microsoft reliquary." Sep 17 02:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Judge attacks car insurer's repair costs http://is.gd/JIZIbK #profiteering at the very least #RSASep 17 02:29
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twitter"Various versions of Microsoft Word and other relics of the non free software world may be preserved in virtual machines for decades until the documents are liberated"Sep 17 02:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Lawyers In Hell - Volume 13 of the #HeroesInHell Shared Universe Series Created By Janet Morris - Review: http://is.gd/bKiH67Sep 17 02:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Looks like it's a Star Wars Original Trilogy Weekend at our house :) #starwarsSep 17 02:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @glynmoody: Open Source Drug Discovery for Malaria - http://bit.ly/q6I64Y a bit old, but important; don't miss the "6 laws" at the endSep 17 02:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @laurelrusswurm: #NotW Phone hacking: Scotland Yard seeks Official Secrets Act court order 2 reveal Guardian sources http://ur1.ca/53rehSep 17 02:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @wayneborean funny you mention that now; Why #StarWars should be left to the fans http://is.gd/5HQVVeSep 17 02:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #iPhone Developer Creates App Criticizing The iPhone; App Is Quickly Pulled http://is.gd/atnBd8 - another #Apple #controlfreak storySep 17 02:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Conservative MP piloting legal aid cuts may profit from the changes http://gu.com/p/32xbh they try hard to earn the "self serving bastards"Sep 17 02:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] #FF @TanyaHuff @Vryka @CJCherryh @JaneSFancher @Chevenga @karinlow @KristenLambTX @manon_eileen @RASJacobsonSep 17 02:47
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DaemonFCcubezzz2: Hypercube?Sep 17 07:02
DaemonFC:)Sep 17 07:02
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DaemonFChttp://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/28530/Sep 17 08:00
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schestowitztessier: that apache issue happend again, last hours before noticd and rstartedSep 17 08:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !Identica will go down tonight, back up Monday: Upgrading Identi.ca and other StatusNet cloud sites http://ur1.ca/53d0o ...thanks @lohang :)Sep 17 08:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] F/OSS & IT Consultant in !China, follow http://weibo.cn/gbraad #OpenSource #Linux #Fedora #MeeGo #Firefox #JavsScript #HTML5Sep 17 08:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mako/@mako] I'll be giving a talk at SFD Boston (http://ur1.ca/4zp3u) on getting involved in Debian. The day looks awesome! You should come! #sfd2011Sep 17 08:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Last Breath #TorchwoodSep 17 08:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #PlanB #TorchwoodSep 17 08:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @delparnel: On this week's @SlightlySauced we interview #KitWat #NDP @IsabelCisterna http://ur1.ca/53vg0 !ONpoli !ONelxn Please RT!Sep 17 08:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] This is kind of fun.... every det I make I get to hold my breath to see if it goes or if !Identica is down yet :oSep 17 08:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] det = dent (cat sleeping on lap puts me 1 cat-width farther from my screen (pushes the boundaries of my glasses, makes abysmal typing worse)Sep 17 08:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren (D-CA): Protect IP provisions are a mess https://eff.org/r.C7f #pipa #copyfightSep 17 08:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] anyone know of a #mumble 1.2.3 deb for #debian stable? I'm struggling to compileSep 17 08:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] alright, I now have all of my home machines registered at http://is.gd/W52iDe ; bask in the computational glory http://is.gd/EpFvL7Sep 17 08:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Stop the Execution of Troy Davis http://signon.org/s/4dKLZqSep 17 08:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Tell DA Larry Chisolm there's #toomuchdoubt to execute #TroyDavis http://is.gd/4r6L0mSep 17 08:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Don’t let Congress sweep the #Murdoch scandal under the rug. Take action and demand an investigation: http://bit.ly/rsqpu1Sep 17 08:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] FDA admits rich people try to kill Americans http://is.gd/jTVLCSSep 17 08:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @linuxtoy #FAD 2011 北京主题演讲材料准备 http://linuxtoy.org/archives/fad-2011-beijing-slide-preparation.html < !Fedora !China !BeijingSep 17 08:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Dr Conan T. Barbarian Ph.D http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0915/breaking36.htmlSep 17 08:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] What is your Member of Parliament is spending? Visit Library and Archives Canada - Proactive Disclosure http://is.gd/SAJGAC #cdnpoliSep 17 08:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @brashley46: CRTC Takes First Step to Force Big Telecom Giant to Play Fair | OpenMedia.ca - http://to.ly/b9t4 http://b1t.it/Ck1Sep 17 08:19
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: ColorOfChange.org | Ask Chatham County DA Larry Chisolm to back clemency for Troy .::. Size~: 23.26 KBSep 17 08:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Congress: Hold Murdoch Accountable .::. Size~: 11.02 KBSep 17 08:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: AP Exclusive: Officials slams corn industry attempt to rebrand high fructose corn syrup - The Washington Post .::. Size~: 112.54 KBSep 17 08:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Home made bombs sent to physicists in Mexico http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110822/full/476373a.html !scienceSep 17 08:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @wxl Epic Rap Battles Of History #7: Einstein v. Stephen Hawking http://v.gd/y7cYoe !science #physics #fbSep 17 08:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] blogged: Oh !Canada: #Democracy Week ~ Waterloo Region http://ur1.ca/53trw !CdnPoli !ONpoli !FairvoteSep 17 08:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !InconstantMoon: Chapter 113 ~ Saturday's novel serialization is online: http://ur1.ca/53wa6Sep 17 08:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] w00t! made it in the nick of time ;DSep 17 08:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Should word-of-mouth be child's play for advertisers? http://is.gd/jIMvLISep 17 08:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @fairvotewrc !DemocracyWeek is an initative of @FairVoteCanada, not Elections Canada http://is.gd/n8BceO #FactFreeNews from @thestaro ...Sep 17 08:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] When the Star makes a factual error, they can't even say "thanks" for doing for giving them free what they used to pay proof readers for?Sep 17 08:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Maybe Jay Rosen got it wrong... maybe the watchdog #press isn't dead, it's just incompetent. In !Canada, anyway.Sep 17 08:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @fairvotewrc: !DemocracyWeek is an initative of @FairVoteCanada, not Elections Canada http://is.gd/n8BceO #FactFreeNews from @TorontoStarSep 17 08:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] shame you can't sue a company on the grounds of lying to the public, newscorp would be out of business in a week...Sep 17 08:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @tekk @laurelrusswurm interestingly enough, comedy show(daily show) is better news than most newsSep 17 08:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @x11r5 no kidding man, i'm sure if @deejay1 wanted to do a good war, or a socratic one ?Sep 17 08:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] my gosh, @x11r5, that was rather profound.Sep 17 08:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk you *should* be able to. If they are selling us the news, and they give us lies instead, it is fraud.Sep 17 08:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @johanv Software freedom day! http://labs.cre8tivetech.com/2011/07/celebrate-software-freedom-day-song/Sep 17 08:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk i know our government was looking at changing the law so facts are not required so FoxNews could open a branch here ;)Sep 17 08:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @fairvotewrc @wlchronicle Another event: "Democracy In the New Millennium" film is part of !DemocracyWeek, Sat at 7:00pm First United ...Sep 17 08:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @pehjota Why do so many !fs authors add "All rights reserved" to their copyright notices, then disclaim those exclusive rights in a l ...Sep 17 08:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk :)Sep 17 08:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk Notice needs only say "copyright" and you have the foundation. Saying "all Rights Reserved" conflicts w/ !CC type licensing #IANALSep 17 08:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz that's it for me. See y'all Monday :) !tzaf !identiverseSep 17 08:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @milot R.I.P. Gary Birkett (@lcuk). We will never forget your contribs to !MeeGo 1.2 CE, liqbase and liqflow on !N900 /via @jukkaeklundSep 17 08:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] "Precious and fragile things... need special handling" #Precious - #DepecheModeSep 17 08:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Today is Software Freedom Day and also #OccupyWallStreet #Sep17Sep 17 08:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @einfeldt: RT @glynmoody: Open Source Drug Discovery for Malaria - http://t.co/UipMiNiW don't miss the "6 laws" at the end (v @petersuber)Sep 17 08:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @einfeldt: RT @lessig: Perry's Former Staffers Made Millions As Lobbyists http://t.co/apgS5PPY #rootstrikersSep 17 08:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Rugged #Linux field computer acts as mission-critical video server http://is.gd/izu4fB "4GB of DDR3 RAM"Sep 17 08:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Top 10 #GNOMEShell Themes http://is.gd/UTYQUh some really nice one in there. Apropos change: http://is.gd/aPz3WY #gnome #desktop #gnu #linuxSep 17 08:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Why #Ultrabooks Should Run #Ubuntu 11.10 http://is.gd/GzYy8m #gnu #linuxSep 17 08:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ȘCOALA VIRTUALĂ despre Free #Software, #Linux și #Moodle, chiar acum, la http://edu.moodle.ro #romaniaSep 17 08:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Testing #EXT4 & #Btrfs On A Serial ATA 3.0 SSD http://is.gd/T7Gx9xSep 17 08:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Happy !SoftwareFreedomDay everyone! !fsfe !fsf !gnuSep 17 08:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #PinguyOS 11.04 Review http://is.gd/s1mIpW another one to watch out forSep 17 08:51
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schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/b7YMl.pngSep 17 08:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] You're doing it wrong [IMG] http://i.imgur.com/WdULx.gifSep 17 08:57
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DaemonFChttp://www.nerve.com/movies/five-ways-emstar-wars-em-hurt-science-fictionSep 17 08:59
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schestowitzmehSep 17 09:08
DaemonFCschestowitz, did you see omgubuntu give Windows 8 a glowing review?Sep 17 09:10
DaemonFC:)Sep 17 09:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What's the chance that #swpats proponents will start calling them "computer-implemented inventions" (CII) to dodge the bad connotation?Sep 17 09:11
DaemonFChttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/windows-8-interesting-competition/Sep 17 09:11
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iophkThere are questions about actual ARM support.Sep 17 09:13
iophkin Vista 8Sep 17 09:13
DaemonFChttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/banshee-news/Sep 17 09:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Banshee News In Brief | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 102.94 KBSep 17 09:13
DaemonFCthey want to make a GTK 3-SharpSep 17 09:14
DaemonFCand a Gstreamer-SharpSep 17 09:14
iophk"the news that Banshee’s lead developer Gabriel Burt has taken a job with the http://twitter.com/#%21/gabaug/status/80103372090388480."Sep 17 09:15
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iophkInfiltrating the campaign :(Sep 17 09:15
DaemonFCRhythmbox isn't exactly getting a lot of love latelySep 17 09:16
DaemonFCI think it's only on life support because Fedora doesn't want to use BansheeSep 17 09:17
schestowitziophk: taken a job with who?Sep 17 09:23
iophk"I've joined the Obama campaign as a software engineer" says Sep 17 09:23
iophkhttp://twitter.com/gabaug/statuses/80103372090388480?_escaped_fragment_=/gabaug/status/80103372090388480#!/gabaug/status/80103372090388480Sep 17 09:23
TechrightsBot-tr@gabaug: I've joined the Obama campaign as a software engineer, and it is blowing my mind :)Sep 17 09:23
schestowitzso maybe less time for bansheeSep 17 09:24
iophkIt's going to hurt Obama's chances.Sep 17 09:24
schestowitz:-)Sep 17 09:24
schestowitzshould I worry?Sep 17 09:24
schestowitzTBH, nothing other than the Business Parties can win the next electionSep 17 09:24
schestowitzObama is the lesser terribleSep 17 09:24
iophkhttp://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122843894Sep 17 09:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Campaign Finance Ruling: Hard To Reverse : NPR .::. Size~: 68.55 KBSep 17 09:25
schestowitzI have 3 posts coming and 5 cablegate onesSep 17 09:25
schestowitzWill get them out now, I'm meeting a friend whom I haven't seen in years larer...Sep 17 09:25
schestowitzbrbSep 17 09:25
iophkRemember to highlight the appropriate text in the cables, they are long to wade through otherwise Sep 17 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @rsd: it is September 17th in my time zone. Happy Software Freedom Day to all of you. !softwarelivre !fsfla !gnullSep 17 09:26
iophkand if there are multiple cables in one post, then searching forward for strings can be problematicSep 17 09:26
iophkin that method it is not clear whether the text is in the same cable or you have jumped forward to another.Sep 17 09:26
DaemonFCFedora still has an active Mono SIG Sep 17 09:27
DaemonFCGNOME is recommending BansheeSep 17 09:27
DaemonFC*sigh*Sep 17 09:27
iophkI gave up on Gnome years agoSep 17 09:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How Payola Works Today... Or Why You Only Hear Major Label Songs On The Radio - http://bit.ly/rtSqMu another reason they hate the NetSep 17 09:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 3 Million Texts for Free - http://bit.ly/nSmbxq "bringing over 1,000 new books online every day." totally fab #ebooksSep 17 09:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How Payola Works Today... Or Why You Only Hear Major Label Songs On The Radio | Techdirt .::. Size~: 53.79 KBSep 17 09:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 3 Million Texts for Free | Internet Archive Blogs .::. Size~: 24.74 KBSep 17 09:29
iophkhttp://edition.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/14/dixie.chicks.reut/Sep 17 09:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: CNN.com - Dixie Chicks pulled from air after bashing Bush - Mar. 14, 2003 .::. Size~: 31.03 KBSep 17 09:31
iophkhttp://www.tmz.com/2006/09/12/dixie-chicks-to-bush-youre-a-dumb-f-k/Sep 17 09:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Dixie Chicks To Bush: "You're a Dumb F**k" | TMZ.com .::. Size~: 107.81 KBSep 17 09:32
iophkIIRC the same company owned most of the stationsSep 17 09:33
DaemonFChttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Dixie_Chicks#2003.E2.80.9305:_Political_controversySep 17 09:34
TechrightsBot-trError processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 403 ForbiddenSep 17 09:34
DaemonFCcensor yourself or we'll do it for you Sep 17 09:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Breakfast at Arduino - http://bit.ly/qSwyep four major announcements, making #arduino even more wonderful #openhardwareSep 17 09:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Arduino Blog  » Blog Archive   » Breakfast at Arduino .::. Size~: 25.97 KBSep 17 09:34
schestowitzmusicians expressing political opinion?Sep 17 09:35
iophkYes and they were shut down for it.Sep 17 09:36
schestowitzThat's like a nab menstruatingSep 17 09:36
schestowitzI knowSep 17 09:36
schestowitzI was being cynicalSep 17 09:36
schestowitzIt became a famous caseSep 17 09:36
schestowitzWhere texas would boycott their stuffSep 17 09:36
schestowitzfor saying the truthSep 17 09:36
schestowitzsingers are not allowed to talk around certain areasSep 17 09:36
schestowitzThe labels would see them as bad applesSep 17 09:37
schestowitz!google justin briber healthcareSep 17 09:37
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Justin Bieber - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_BieberSep 17 09:37
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Justin Bieber Says US Health System Is 'Evil' ("You guys are evil.") | http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2674728/postsSep 17 09:37
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Justin Bieber's 'Never Say Never' movie - for more than just fans ... | http://www.examiner.com/teen-idol-in-dayton/justin-bieber-s-never-say-never-movie-for-more-than-just-fansSep 17 09:37
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Britney Spears, Justin Bieber and Ellen Degeneres join Twitter ... | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019872/Britney-Spears-Justin-Bieber-Ellen-Degeneres-join-Twitter-campaign-Berry-children.htmlSep 17 09:37
schestowitzbieberSep 17 09:37
schestowitzHow dare they express an opinion?Sep 17 09:37
schestowitzOr write a song?Sep 17 09:37
schestowitzThey are just tasked with the idea of moving their mouths for lyrics and music written by other people. That's their "Contract" :-)Sep 17 09:38
DaemonFCit's OK if you're not expressing opinions that anyone disagrees withSep 17 09:38
DaemonFC:)Sep 17 09:38
schestowitzGod Bless AmericaSep 17 09:38
schestowitzBecause the Taliban was never the target market for CDs anywaySep 17 09:38
DaemonFCmaybe a DVD HowTo for female genital mutilationSep 17 09:41
iophkhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/sep/14/here-comes-trouble-michael-moore-reviewSep 17 09:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Here Comes Trouble by Michael Moore - review | Books | The Guardian .::. Size~: 138.1 KBSep 17 09:42
iophkhttp://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/michaelmooreoscaracceptance.htmSep 17 09:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Michael Moore - 2003 Oscar Award Acceptance Address for Best Documentary .::. Size~: 7.03 KBSep 17 09:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] US Rep: #Copyright has actually been an "impediment" to rightsholders - http://bit.ly/pSuDb4 a glimmer of hope, here?Sep 17 09:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cablegate: CERGE-EI “American-style” Education With UNIX Labs http://is.gd/DIFqT9 #wlfind #unix #czSep 17 09:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: CERGE-EI “American-style” Education With UNIX Labs http://is.gd/DIFqT9 #europe #eu #library #educationSep 17 09:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A Huge Oil Palm Plantation Puts African Rainforest at Risk - http://bit.ly/oaCPj3 #palmoil's blight spreads furtherSep 17 09:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: US Rep: Copyright has actually been an "impediment" to rightsholders .::. Size~: 33.99 KBSep 17 09:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cablegate: CERGE-EI “American-style” Education With UNIX Labs | Techrights .::. Size~: 100.53 KBSep 17 09:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cablegate: CERGE-EI “American-style” Education With UNIX Labs | Techrights .::. Size~: 100.53 KBSep 17 09:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A Huge Oil Palm Plantation Puts African Rainforest at Risk  by Rhett Butler and Jeremy Hance: Yale Environment 360 .::. Size~: 55.2 KBSep 17 09:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Why Public and Private Records Keeping Systems Should Use Free Software. http://is.gd/jBOo2XSep 17 09:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Why Public and Private Records Keeping Systems Should Use Free Software. http://is.gd/jBOo2XSep 17 09:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cablegate: Italy’s Decade of Antagonising Patent Colonialism http://is.gd/V15qln #swpats #eurpe #italySep 17 09:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: Italy’s Decade of Antagonising Patent Colonialism http://is.gd/V15qln #epo uspto #harmonization #colonialism #imperialismSep 17 09:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Why Public and Private Records Keeping Systems Should Use Free Software. | Techrights .::. Size~: 96.28 KBSep 17 09:51
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cablegate: Italy’s Decade of Antagonising Patent Colonialism | Techrights .::. Size~: 94.16 KBSep 17 09:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cablegate: Italy’s Decade of Antagonising Patent Colonialism | Techrights .::. Size~: 94.16 KBSep 17 09:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] An open letter to J.R. Salamanca - http://bit.ly/oNIYAy addressing an orphan work's author...Sep 17 10:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: An open letter to J.R. Salamanca .::. Size~: 58.34 KBSep 17 10:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: USPTO, JPO, and EPO Prepare a Global Patent System http://is.gd/7KGx24 #USPTO #JPO #EPO #swpats #globalization #imperialismSep 17 10:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Digital Scholar: How Technology Is Transforming Scholarly Practice - http://bit.ly/rkiPfp cc-by-nc; can be read onlineSep 17 10:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cablegate: USPTO, JPO, and EPO Prepare a Global Patent System http://is.gd/7KGx24 #monopoly #eupatent #lawSep 17 10:08
TechrightsBot-trError processing the URLSep 17 10:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Digital Scholar: How Technology Is Transforming Scholarly Practice : Bloomsbury Academic .::. Size~: 64.49 KBSep 17 10:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cablegate: USPTO, JPO, and EPO Prepare a Global Patent System | Techrights .::. Size~: 113.26 KBSep 17 10:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Saturn: New photos from Cassini’s recent Enceladus flyby - http://bit.ly/mOJgly wow #spaceSep 17 10:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Saturn: New photos from Cassini’s recent Enceladus flyby – Boing Boing .::. Size~: 20.54 KBSep 17 10:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Defra Approval of UK #GM Wheat Trial a Mistake - http://bit.ly/qLGW2w this seems a very odd moveSep 17 10:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: GM Freeze | News releases .::. Size~: 15.55 KBSep 17 10:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cablegate: In 2010, Patent Harmonisation “Not Welcomed by Developing Countries” http://is.gd/nbdTsa #patent #monopoly #asia #africa #wlfindSep 17 10:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: In 2010, Patent Harmonisation “Not Welcomed by Developing Countries” http://is.gd/nbdTsa #law #cablegate #eu #wipo #wtoSep 17 10:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cablegate: In 2010, Patent Harmonisation “Not Welcomed by Developing Countries” | Techrights .::. Size~: 104.98 KBSep 17 10:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] What the 2001 #Doha Declaration Changed - http://bit.ly/r3vm1c & how the West is trying to undermine affordable medicines for the poorSep 17 10:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Be Careful when Speaking to Federal Agents - 18 U.S.C. Section 1001 http://library.findlaw.com/2004/May/11/147945.htmlSep 17 10:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: What the 2001 Doha Declaration Changed | Knowledge Ecology International .::. Size~: 30.88 KBSep 17 10:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How to Avoid Going to Jail under 18 U.S.C. Section 1001 for Lying to Governme... .::. Size~: 30.77 KBSep 17 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Now it's illegal to write down prices in Tesco supermarket - http://bit.ly/qbc7Ux so crowdsource remembered prices online (v @rlancefield)Sep 17 10:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Now it's illegal to write down prices in a Tesco supermarket | Money | The Guardian .::. Size~: 193.94 KBSep 17 10:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Sarkozy Promotes Monopolies in China, French Government Backs ‘Community Patent’ (aka EU Patent, Harmonisation) http://is.gd/Ta6wwU #wlfindSep 17 10:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cablegate: Sarkozy Promotes Monopolies in China, French Government Backs ‘Community Patent’ (aka EU Patent, Harmonisation) | Techrights .::. Size~: 104.34 KBSep 17 10:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Sarkozy Promotes Monopolies in China, French Government Backs #CommunityPatent (aka EU Patent, Harmonisation) http://is.gd/Ta6wwU #swpatsSep 17 10:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Tzag identizens. What a great close came between Ireland & Australia. Rugby world cup.Sep 17 10:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Ireland pull further ahead 12-6 :-)Sep 17 10:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cablegate: Sarkozy Promotes Monopolies in China, French Government Backs ‘Community Patent’ (aka EU Patent, Harmonisation) | Techrights .::. Size~: 104.34 KBSep 17 10:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cablegate: EU Negotiations About EU Patent/Community Patent http://is.gd/AZeoOq #swpats #eu #europeSep 17 11:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: EU Negotiations About EU Patent/Community Patent http://is.gd/AZeoOq #epo #uspto #geneva #belgiumSep 17 11:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] More Irish pressure results in yet another penalty conceded by Australia. #RugbyworldcupSep 17 11:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cablegate: EU Negotiations About EU Patent/Community Patent | Techrights .::. Size~: 174.09 KBSep 17 11:04
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iophkHow do the Cablegate cables fit strategically into Techrights?Sep 17 11:05
iophkThey are very high volume.Sep 17 11:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @randomcolour: blackSep 17 11:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Exciting last 4 minutes Ireland/Australia #RugbyworldcupSep 17 11:11
schestowitzpatent policySep 17 11:12
schestowitzculpritsSep 17 11:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] that was closeSep 17 11:13
iophkculprits for sureSep 17 11:13
schestowitzHow else?Sep 17 11:13
schestowitzSome people think violent acts and protests would doSep 17 11:13
schestowitzI think it's better to incentivise political to not be arseholes -- transparency can lead to itSep 17 11:13
schestowitz*politiciansSep 17 11:14
iophktransparency is better, but there is very little of itSep 17 11:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Good Irish victory over a good Australian team. #rugbyworldcupSep 17 11:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Tzaf IdentizensSep 17 11:18
iophkThe 14000 − 15000 posts need a better tagging system than they currently have.Sep 17 11:18
iophkRight now there's just full-text searching to go through old posts.Sep 17 11:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Impact of America Invents Act on Patent Trolls http://is.gd/vgZ8ql patent policy is still broken. #swpats #us #redhat #mosaid #acaciaSep 17 11:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Impact of America Invents Act on Patent Trolls http://is.gd/vgZ8ql #patentpolicy #uspto #monopoly #government #protectionismSep 17 11:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The special trick that helps identify dodgy #stats - http://bit.ly/ruYZq6 I've always found Benford's Law rather wonderful #numbersSep 17 11:26
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: The special trick that helps identify dodgy stats | Ben Goldacre | Comment is free | The Guardian .::. Size~: 188.65 KBSep 17 11:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The #SoftwareFreedomDay event, organised by #Moodle Romania in a few high schools in #Arad and Baia Mare, #Romania, was a total success #sfdSep 17 11:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] rano Spotkanie Śniadaniowe na VI OFIP (www.ofip.org.pl); teraz znów na #CCSummit2011, streamujemy dzielnie, @piorekf przepycha pakiety ;)Sep 17 11:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Pupils participated to GNU/Linux labs, received CDs with distros and OpenDisc, [...]Sep 17 11:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] [...] listened to online presentations (via Moodle platform, virtual class) and, of course, had fun. [...]Sep 17 11:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] More details to follow http://edu.moodle.ro/course/view.php?id=256Sep 17 11:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @bramalab: Lawrence @Lessig will be speaking today at 5PM CEST (in ~4.5h) at #CCSummit2011, join us live: ur1.ca/53dzg #ccSep 17 11:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] GTK 3-Sharp and Gstreamer-Sharp http://is.gd/obAEnO #swpats #mono #banshee #fedora #ubuntu #gnu #linux #vista8Sep 17 11:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] GTK 3-Sharp and Gstreamer-Sharp http://is.gd/obAEnO #novell #lockin #dotnet #infiltration #gtk #gnomeSep 17 11:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Curs: Ziua Programelor Libere .::. Size~: 72.78 KBSep 17 11:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Keep reloading http://identi.ca hoping that the #Statusnet 1.0 upgrade has kicked in! so far, notSep 17 11:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Public timeline - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 46.9 KBSep 17 11:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I have not seen BPC's Click for weeks. This week it is sponsored by Fraunhofer-Gesellshaft.Sep 17 11:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] dear @diaspora, why u no have API? /srsly guys, we need the API. any news on that? #DiasporaSep 17 11:44
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DaemonFCthis time my GNOME 3 / Fedora 16 experience was great for about 2 minutesSep 17 11:46
DaemonFCthen it popped up some sad computer icon and said "Uh oh, something went wrong"Sep 17 11:46
DaemonFCand so I logged back in and got the same thingSep 17 11:46
DaemonFC:)Sep 17 11:46
DaemonFCI think Fedora compiles everything with --enable-really-brokenSep 17 11:47
DaemonFC:)Sep 17 11:47
DaemonFCit took over a week for them to admit that the reason nobody could use their kernel was because they had all the debug stuff enabled so that if someone managed to use the kernel it would give them a lot of really nice crash dataSep 17 11:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Some bint on Click thinks that the style of sunglasses is now as important as function. Really?Sep 17 11:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] "Which is just as well when you consider how little content there is for the windows phone."Sep 17 11:54
DaemonFCthere's plenty of content for windows phoneSep 17 11:55
DaemonFCMicrosoft pays by the app, so it stands to reason it is or will be a content millSep 17 11:55
DaemonFC:)Sep 17 11:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Sick to death of "accessible business programmes" Like the BPC's bottom line with Evan Davies.Sep 17 12:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Bloody hell! Looking at the pictures of the mine where the Welsh miners died. It looks like something from the 19th century.Sep 17 12:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] On the Web, Microsoft is Dying, GNU/Linux and FOSS Are Winning http://is.gd/9nMng1 #server #gnu #linux #microsoft #iisSep 17 12:09
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*schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitzSep 17 12:13
*DaemonFC gives schestowitz a copy of Ubuntu, or maybe it's Windows VistaSep 17 12:14
DaemonFCstill can't tell them apartSep 17 12:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] On the Web, Microsoft is Dying, GNU/Linux and FOSS Are Winning http://is.gd/9nMng1 #apache #foss #www #suse #yahoo #bartz #searchSep 17 12:14
DaemonFCtwins separated at birthSep 17 12:14
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DaemonFCI'm going to get a new daily CD with the new version of Unity on it to review so maybe it'll crash lessSep 17 12:16
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/84163522Sep 17 12:17
TechrightsBot-tr@satipera (satipera)'s status on Saturday, 17-Sep-11 11:13:19 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Prospering rather than winning/Sep 17 12:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Good interview with alleged Swiss-bank WikiLeaks whistleblower Rudolf Elmer | Liberte http://t.co/9OQwPWPcSep 17 12:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @glynmoody: 3 Million Texts for Free - http://t.co/d2ZsZC4V "bringing over 1,000 new books online every day." totally fab #ebooksSep 17 12:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #RudolfElmer – the man who exposed the dark side of global finance http://is.gd/b996lZSep 17 12:18
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/84163536Sep 17 12:18
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TechrightsBot-tr@satipera (satipera)'s status on Saturday, 17-Sep-11 11:14:02 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Substitute  ? for /Sep 17 12:18
DaemonFCschestowitz, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/06/linus_torvalds_dumps_kernel_for_github/Sep 17 12:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Torvalds dumps Kernel.org for Github after breach • The Register .::. Size~: 25.74 KBSep 17 12:22
DaemonFCanother changed headline?Sep 17 12:23
DaemonFChttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/16/windows_8_bsod/Sep 17 12:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Blue Screen of Death gets makeover for Windows 8 • The Register .::. Size~: 29.47 KBSep 17 12:24
DaemonFC""Your PC ran into a problem that it couldn't handle, and now it needs to restart."Sep 17 12:24
DaemonFCyour PC, not WindowsSep 17 12:24
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DaemonFChttps://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/303498_271674969519070_184357191584182_1053845_281074497_n.jpgSep 17 12:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] My Samsung DVD player/recorder can copy recorded programmes from the HDD to optical disc but not to SD card, yet another way it is a lemon.Sep 17 12:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Do you remember when you were young and used to root for the British when watching "Zulu", me too.Sep 17 12:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Jellybean to Follow Ice Cream Sandwich http://is.gd/i6cmcD #android #linuxSep 17 12:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Jellybean to Follow Ice Cream Sandwich | GooGeZ .::. Size~: 80.79 KBSep 17 12:44
schestowitzDrPizza: gavin pushed the vapurware into hedliensSep 17 12:45
schestowitzLet's just ignore this hypefestSep 17 12:45
schestowitzDaemonFC I meantSep 17 12:45
schestowitz*headlinesSep 17 12:46
schestowitzDaemonFC: they blame the hardwareSep 17 12:46
schestowitz"must be a driver"Sep 17 12:46
schestowitzLOLSep 17 12:46
schestowitzPCSep 17 12:46
DaemonFCyou mean like the drivers Microsoft ships with Windows now? :)Sep 17 12:47
schestowitz:)Sep 17 12:48
schestowitzTHe unready onesSep 17 12:48
schestowitzLike in VistaSep 17 12:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] In future versions of Windows the hardware will be blamed for faults. "Your PC", not "Windows". http://is.gd/vCL51ISep 17 12:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Affordable Duke of Holland Honeycomb Tablets http://is.gd/8TKi80 "adds several features the iPad doesn't have." #linuxSep 17 12:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @trashheap What's !Gnome 's long term plan for desktops with no hardware acceleration ? Is there one ?Sep 17 12:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Google Releases #Chrome 14 Stable for Linux http://is.gd/d64FYJSep 17 12:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Google Releases Chrome 14 Stable for Linux - Softpedia .::. Size~: 50.26 KBSep 17 12:54
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/84163966Sep 17 12:58
TechrightsBot-tr@satipera (satipera)'s status on Saturday, 17-Sep-11 11:45:17 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Us desire owners did not even get as far as gingerbread.Sep 17 12:58
schestowitzI doubt I'll own an Android, ever.Sep 17 12:58
DaemonFCthey picture it in UnitySep 17 12:58
DaemonFCtypicalSep 17 12:58
DaemonFCLinux Mint KDE has gone silentSep 17 12:59
DaemonFCI just realized they said they'd be moving to Debian because of problems basing on KubuntuSep 17 12:59
DaemonFCand then nothing ever materialized Sep 17 12:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Under management of former Microsoft employees/execs, Spring now betrays the GPL. How predictable.Sep 17 12:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Just recieved feedback from #kde bugs.kde.org, bugreport on #Choqok #kubuntu needs to upgrade to Choqok 1.1 reported bug solved in 1.1Sep 17 12:59
schestowitzHas it eally gone silent?Sep 17 13:00
schestowitzI last saw it mentioned a few months abckSep 17 13:00
DaemonFCMint KDE 10 is still upSep 17 13:01
DaemonFCbut that was the last releaseSep 17 13:01
DaemonFCI never really got the point of basing on UbuntuSep 17 13:01
DaemonFCUbuntu is meant as a finished product not to be useful to use as a base for othersSep 17 13:01
schestowitz[12:59] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [ml2mst/@ml2mst] Just recieved feedback from #kde bugs.kde.org, bugreport on #Choqok #kubuntu needs to upgrade to Choqok 1.1 reported bug solved in 1.1Sep 17 13:01
schestowitzyes, chokoq is more polished in 1.1Sep 17 13:01
schestowitzDaemonFC: debian hasn;'t the same installer and firmwareSep 17 13:02
DaemonFCthere's a few things that bothered me about the Unity GUI, it's not just the fact that the thing crashes a lotSep 17 13:02
DaemonFCapplications available for install should not clutter the list of installed applicationsSep 17 13:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @doctorow: Tesco threatens journalist with arrest for writing down prices http://t.co/oFW2cWe3 < one other reason I won't shop in #tescoSep 17 13:03
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DaemonFCespecially not the random crap it brings upSep 17 13:03
DaemonFCit makes the menu much less useful when it devotes half of it to installed software and half to things you don't want to installSep 17 13:04
DaemonFC"openSUSE also announced that it will include OpenJDK from now on, rather than the binary Java JDK coming from Oracle."Sep 17 13:06
DaemonFCthere's a plusSep 17 13:06
DaemonFCthough Oracle took away the right to redistribute theirsSep 17 13:06
DaemonFCgood riddance either waySep 17 13:06
schestowitz"schestowitz : Under management of former Microsoft employees/execs, Spring now betrays the GPL. How predictable."Sep 17 13:07
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/84164235Sep 17 13:07
TechrightsBot-tr@Sander (sandersch)'s status on Saturday, 17-Sep-11 12:01:23 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz well duh ;-pSep 17 13:07
DaemonFCit's under a free license stillSep 17 13:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] Identi.ca (y otros sitios StatusNet) preparan mantenimiento: http://ur1.ca/53d0o !eolSep 17 13:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Tails Project's The Amnesic Incognito Live System (Tails) http://is.gd/k17gFd "based on Debian Live and runs directly from CD.."Sep 17 13:08
MinceR133958 < DaemonFC> ""Your PC ran into a problem that it couldn't handle, and now it needs to restart."Sep 17 13:08
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MinceR134002 < DaemonFC> your PC, not WindowsSep 17 13:08
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MinceRyes, and the problem is called "windows"Sep 17 13:08
DaemonFCopenSUSE KDE has a nice change in 12.1Sep 17 13:09
DaemonFCthey stopped managing the network with Yast and let network manager do it insteadSep 17 13:09
DaemonFCYast is a pain in the ass to manage software fromSep 17 13:10
DaemonFCit would be nice if they split that off and just gave it to kpackagekitSep 17 13:10
DaemonFCthe rest of it is a nice system management tool thoughSep 17 13:10
schestowitzDaemonFC: so is dawnSep 17 13:11
schestowitzyou are encouraged to share with your neighbourSep 17 13:12
DaemonFCDawn is licensed under the MIT X11 licenseSep 17 13:14
DaemonFCevery's had a chance to "manage" herSep 17 13:15
DaemonFCand all that's left is a total messSep 17 13:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The state of #Gentoo http://is.gd/CXK9az still popularSep 17 13:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Aid from the Magic Kingdom - http://bit.ly/pketD2 send in the dwarfs/dwarves...Sep 17 13:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Raghuvansh Prasad Singh: BRAI Bill - Bulldozing public opinion - http://bit.ly/pl3XTw bullying, more like... #india #monsantoSep 17 13:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] it seems putting unapproved comments on the toolbar of #Drupal7 doesn't have any benefits, it doesn't update the number to match the queueSep 17 13:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Appeals Court Reinstates $675,000 File-Sharing Decision Against Joel Tenenbaum - http://bit.ly/r03FUb "case grinds on"Sep 17 13:26
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MinceRgeekingsSep 17 13:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @trisquel: Celebrate #SFD with the new #Trisquel GNU/Linux 5.0: http://trisquel.info/en/trisquel-50-release-announcement #gnu #linux #fsfSep 17 13:29
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schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/XRsUP.pngSep 17 13:31
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schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/rhMa9.jpgSep 17 13:32
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MinceR:)Sep 17 13:32
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ml2mst/status/115036456237547520Sep 17 13:34
TechrightsBot-tr@ml2mst: @schestowitz Thanks Roy, I'm still using the stock Kubuntu version, which does nothing but crash, time and again. Using Qwit now :-(Sep 17 13:34
schestowitzchoqokSep 17 13:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Troll comment [IMG] http://i.imgur.com/9BJpn.pngSep 17 13:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Cablegate: #EU-#US Negotiations on trade, health etc - http://bit.ly/n2FPmW nausea-inducing chumminess as they stitch us upSep 17 13:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] "would create the impression of a deal being struck behind closed doors": Italian WIPO rep of EU patent harmonisation - http://bit.ly/olsbV5Sep 17 13:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] WTO Rules Against Dolphin-Safe Tuna Labels - http://bit.ly/qNvLb7 US consumers want it, dolphins want it...but WTO says no: time to go, #WTOSep 17 13:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] NYTimes.com Strikes False Balance On Climate Change - http://bit.ly/nFzNU2 "climate-realist perspective": lipstick on the denialist pigSep 17 13:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #FSF speaks against patent and DRM provisions at Trans-Pacific Partnership negotiators' meeting - http://bit.ly/qfwXva good to see #tppSep 17 14:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Companies ejected from London arms fair for 'promoting cluster bombs' http://gu.com/p/32x7j - #ScoobyDoo "I would have gotten away with it"Sep 17 14:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Companies ejected from London arms fair for 'promoting cluster bombs' | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 88.5 KBSep 17 14:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Martin McGuinness willing to meet the Queen if elected Irish president - http://bit.ly/pg4x6b my, how things change #ireland #iraSep 17 14:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Why the #Pope must face justice at The #Hague http://gu.com/p/32xc4Sep 17 14:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Outsourcing porn http://gu.com/p/32v5q #interestingSep 17 14:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Are Mobile-Style Interfaces Leaving Desktop Power Users Behind? http://tinyurl.com/4xme5ug #windows8 #linuxSep 17 15:11
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abushcrafterGNU is a system and a project. Ignore the credit reason. now look again at the articles on the GNU website and maybe FSF?Sep 17 15:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] Went to SFD celebrations at MIT,chennai. Nice to see lot of students explaining free software!Sep 17 15:38
abushcrafterAndroid is NOT GNU/Linux it is VERY different! http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#linuxsyswithoutgnuSep 17 15:40
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abushcrafterhttp://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.htmlSep 17 15:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @wayneborean: indeedSep 17 15:41
abushcrafterGood read: http://www.nuxified.org/article/linux_not_osSep 17 15:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] To set up our connection at work yesterday, the ISP wanted us to install ActiveX control (blocked). #Stupid #BozosSep 17 15:43
abushcrafterender_2600: "The FSF should make its own distro" It already has! Do some research! You fool!Sep 17 15:43
iophkhttp://www.gnewsense.org/Sep 17 15:45
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iophkmetad is the latest versionSep 17 15:45
iophkThere are even MIPS-based netbooks that have Free BIOS, tooSep 17 15:46
iophkhttp://lemote.kd85.com/  (Warning for heavy images at that site)Sep 17 15:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Vasile Lupu, noul preşedinte al PNŢCD, propune revenirea la monarhia constituţională http://tinyurl.com/5vwa67x #romania #monarchy #politicsSep 17 15:48
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iophkThe only flaw with the Yeeloong is that the ctrl and fn keys are swapped on the keyboard, at least as far as what I'm used to.Sep 17 15:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @iurie A fost lansat #Trisquel 5.0 - http://is.gd/o1W6YK !ceata !cmepSep 17 15:49
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MinceRdoesn't the BIOS let you swap them?Sep 17 15:50
iophkI haven't explored that much of the BIOSSep 17 15:50
iophkHow would they be swapped there?Sep 17 15:50
MinceRthen again, at least you won't have to reach so far for the Ctrl key :>Sep 17 15:51
MinceRwell, ThinkPad BIOSes have a setup option to swap Fn with CtrlSep 17 15:51
DaemonFCMinceR, Uh oh, something went wrong. [Log Out]Sep 17 15:51
MinceRi chose to just get used to Ctrl not being the left bottom key, thoughSep 17 15:51
DaemonFCGNOME 3 error screenSep 17 15:51
MinceR:>Sep 17 15:51
MinceRDaemonFC: still better than PalmOS 5's "Out of memory. [ Reset ]" where that reset button may or may not workSep 17 15:52
DaemonFCwe won't tell you what went wrong or possible fixes, we'll just keep displaying these every time the shell crashesSep 17 15:52
DaemonFCwhat's that? it crashes after you log in?Sep 17 15:52
MinceRnopeSep 17 15:52
DaemonFCdamn dude, uh, that like, sucksSep 17 15:52
MinceRit crashes when an app asks for too much memory :>Sep 17 15:52
DaemonFCthat's elegantSep 17 15:53
abeNd-orgi used to use the heck out of palmos stuff, what apps were you using that did that?Sep 17 15:55
MinceRcan't remember anymoreSep 17 15:55
abeNd-orghopefully someone picks up webos, seems like a nice lawsuit free (so far) alternative to android/iOS/mango (blackberry is dead)Sep 17 15:57
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MinceRhopefully someone picks up MeeGoSep 17 15:59
abeNd-orgnever touched itSep 17 15:59
abeNd-orgi think i d/l it once, forgot about itSep 17 15:59
abushcrafterWhat Microsoft's hardware limitations for gnu/linux?Sep 17 16:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @ark74 If you celebrate the #SFD by supporting !hnode, please let us know, we would like to hear it out loud \o/!! !gnu !fsf !lp !tri ...Sep 17 16:16
abushcrafterschestowitz: On banning smoking. What about my freedom to not breath that rubbish in.Sep 17 16:17
MinceRthat's an issue with smoking in public places, not with smoking in generalSep 17 16:18
MinceRbut it is indeed an issueSep 17 16:18
MinceRas for m$'s hardware limitations, i think he meant stuff like being limited to 1GB of RAM due to m$ licensing requirements.Sep 17 16:19
abeNd-orgthey are banning smoking around the restaurants hereSep 17 16:20
abeNd-orgi am all for it, smokers have no respect for othersSep 17 16:21
abeNd-orgyes, ms products like the basic free sql express server do have artificially imposed memory limitsSep 17 16:22
abushcrafterI am interested in meego too.Sep 17 16:26
abushcrafter1gb of ram is ok for meSep 17 16:26
iophkabeNd-org: can the same strategy the eliminated smoking be used to eliminate M$ and similar pollutants of the IT ecosystem?Sep 17 16:26
abushcrafterlol :01:21:15 - schestowitz: They were too openSep 17 16:28
abushcrafter01:21:15 - schestowitz: Open to AppleSep 17 16:28
abushcrafter01:21:15 - schestowitz: Open to MicrosoftSep 17 16:28
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abushcrafterschestowitz: "01:31:20 - schestowitz: he also created a site dedicated to attacking me." Where is it I want to see.Sep 17 16:31
iophkA few decades ago, smoking was ubiquitous.  It was on airplanes (couldn't see the ceiling) and even in hospitals and elevators.Sep 17 16:32
abushcrafterGlad I didn't live then.Sep 17 16:54
iophkSometimes doctors would smoke while with patients.  It was bizarre.Sep 17 16:58
iophkAsh trays every where.Sep 17 17:01
iophkAnyway, smoking is like M$: a hazard to ones self and a hazard and nuisance to everyone else.Sep 17 17:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Marcos Marado opening #sfd2011 in Lisboa, Portugal http://ur1.ca/541gkSep 17 17:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] #sfd2011 Gustavo Homem, from ESOP and Angulo Solido, talking about system administration with GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/541h9Sep 17 17:11
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iophkCars used to have ashtrays in each armrest in the doors.Sep 17 17:15
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iophkI think people will look at PCs about the same way and look back on the mess of having Windows on so many desktop PCs.Sep 17 17:22
iophkJust like smoking used to be ubiquitous.Sep 17 17:23
DaemonFCI managed to coerce GNOME 3.2 into startingSep 17 17:23
DaemonFCnot bad, but Fedora 16 is still way too buggy to consider installingSep 17 17:23
MinceRhttp://www.dilbert.com/2011-06-30Sep 17 17:40
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DaemonFChttp://www.ascendos.org/about.htmlSep 17 17:41
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DaemonFCanother rhel cloneSep 17 17:42
MinceRwith a shouty website :>Sep 17 17:44
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iophkJono's away at his b-day?Sep 17 18:25
iophkOr celebrating Software Freedom Day?Sep 17 18:25
DaemonFCSomeone should send him a Unity cakeSep 17 18:25
DaemonFCit looks delicious then it's full of dead fishSep 17 18:26
DaemonFC:)Sep 17 18:26
DaemonFCa screenshot tour of something can be very (deliberately) misleadingSep 17 18:26
schestowitzHello friendsSep 17 18:50
schestowitziophk: it's bothSep 17 18:50
schestowitzI told him happy birthday yesterday IIRCSep 17 18:50
iophkHe was on briefly todaySep 17 18:51
schestowitzabushcrafter: hi thereSep 17 18:51
schestowitzgood to see you backSep 17 18:51
schestowitziophk: we need to befriend ubuntu peopleSep 17 18:51
schestowitzubuntu is not an enemy as some people try to paint irSep 17 18:51
schestowitz*itSep 17 18:51
schestowitzAnd I worry that Canonical is getting weakSep 17 18:51
iophkI like and use UbuntuSep 17 18:51
schestowitzThey have a little exodus goingSep 17 18:51
iophkYes, I share that worry a little.Sep 17 18:51
schestowitzI use kubuntu right nowSep 17 18:52
iophkIs it mostly Google that is poaching?Sep 17 18:52
schestowitzI told my friend today to install  ubuntuSep 17 18:52
schestowitzhe uses vista Sep 17 18:52
schestowitzAnd he asked me about a BSoDSep 17 18:52
schestowitzHe thougyht it was a computer problemSep 17 18:52
schestowitzSomeone told himSep 17 18:52
iophkI have no pity for Windows usersSep 17 18:52
iophkI ran into someone asking for help with a (then) new laptopSep 17 18:52
schestowitzSo I told him it's a Windows problem, just hours after I had dented something about Microsoft changing BSoD to blame the "PC"Sep 17 18:52
iophkVista didn't leave enough RAM for Photoshop to runSep 17 18:53
schestowitzThis friend of mine had his bro become a sociopathSep 17 18:53
schestowitzPaintful stuffSep 17 18:53
schestowitzI met him about 10 years agoSep 17 18:53
schestowitzHe did his MBA at the timeSep 17 18:53
schestowitzThey teach and train them to become sociopathSep 17 18:53
schestowitzNow he works as a manager at Google and doesn't help his patents who funded himSep 17 18:53
schestowitzThat changes my perception of GoogleSep 17 18:54
iophkThe have to start a little that direction on their own firstSep 17 18:54
iophkThe degree just nurtures the bad tendenciesSep 17 18:54
iophkI was hoping that Google avoided that type.Sep 17 18:54
schestowitzI generally heard many things about MBA and what their conditioning/p;programming involvedSep 17 18:54
iophk"Don't be evil" and all thatSep 17 18:54
schestowitzhehSep 17 18:54
schestowitzthey hired him also for being eccentricSep 17 18:55
schestowitzmy friend was here until an hour ago and he said it's his brother who came to GoogleSep 17 18:55
schestowitzI thought Google only ever hird people that it actively went afterSep 17 18:55
schestowitzBut this guy really turned hostile towards his familySep 17 18:55
schestowitzjust cause he gets a wage near 200k/yearSep 17 18:55
schestowitzSo much for "Evil"Sep 17 18:56
schestowitzYou'd think he'd help out his familySep 17 18:56
iophk"patents" above -> "parents" ?Sep 17 18:56
schestowitzyeahSep 17 18:56
schestowitzTendencySep 17 18:56
schestowitzI wrote this word thousands of timesSep 17 18:56
iophkmuscle memorySep 17 18:56
schestowitzIt really upsets me how corporations ruin some familiesSep 17 18:56
schestowitzI see it around me a lotSep 17 18:57
schestowitziophk: that tooSep 17 18:57
iophkHow so?Sep 17 18:57
schestowitzlike "Weird"Sep 17 18:57
schestowitziophk: they create an artificial mentalitySep 17 18:57
schestowitzA mindse of "higher wage,, the better the person"Sep 17 18:57
schestowitzAnd some people aplply that in revrseSep 17 18:57
iophkAn artificial alternate reality.Sep 17 18:57
schestowitzas in, "this person makes more, therefore is smarter"Sep 17 18:57
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schestowitziophk: yesSep 17 18:58
schestowitzscoting based on wagesSep 17 18:58
iophkI think SCA has a better grip on reality than the MBAs in their shared fantasy.Sep 17 18:58
schestowitzI loathe thatSep 17 18:58
schestowitz*scoringSep 17 18:58
schestowitziophk: yeah, but..Sep 17 18:58
schestowitzTheyn *need* sociopaths*Sep 17 18:58
schestowitzPeople who make those beneath them nervousSep 17 18:58
iophkI used to know a highly educated person who excelled at her job but was constantly badgered by MBAsSep 17 18:58
schestowitzAnd diligentSep 17 18:58
iophkno one needs sociopathsSep 17 18:59
schestowitzAnd the mainstream television programmes encourage thisSep 17 18:59
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to _GoblinSep 17 18:59
iophkEven companies don'tSep 17 18:59
schestowitzThe ideas that you need to strive to be more into this mindset. I see what it does to people sense of self here and it's bad.Sep 17 18:59
iophkI would posit that there is a positive correlation between insolvency and MBA presence.Sep 17 18:59
iophk— especially back during the dot-comSep 17 18:59
schestowitzRemember that in the UK there is a huge disparaity beween weahty and poor, maybe more so than in the US, which is worse in that regard than ANY middle eastern and north African countrySep 17 19:00
iophkand the disparity is growing ...Sep 17 19:00
iophk:(Sep 17 19:00
schestowitz[18:58] <iophk> I used to know a highly educated person who excelled at her job but was constantly badgered by MBAsSep 17 19:00
schestowitzMaybe that's old GoogleSep 17 19:00
iophkpart of it is the spread of the zero sum game ideologySep 17 19:00
schestowitzDoes Google still give employees the famous sapce they gave, like 1 day a week to "do something cool"?Sep 17 19:00
_Goblinbut then I think the definition of "poor" is far better off than "poor" in other countries.Sep 17 19:00
schestowitzAround depression time they cut that offSep 17 19:01
schestowitzAnd also removed the chafsSep 17 19:01
iophkthe badgering was "If you're so smart why ..."Sep 17 19:01
schestowitzNot sure these were ever restoredSep 17 19:01
_Goblinpoor in the UK is probably a decent living in some countries.Sep 17 19:01
iophk"..aren't you rich?"Sep 17 19:01
schestowitz_Goblin: trueSep 17 19:01
iophk"...don't you have an MBA?"Sep 17 19:01
schestowitzI think they measure in terms of % differenceSep 17 19:01
msbThat huge disparity of wealth is due to the prevalence of sociopathy in capitalism -- to grab as much money for oneself leaving as little as possible for everyone else, e.g., working people.Sep 17 19:01
schestowitzas in, how one feels about $neighbourSep 17 19:01
schestowitzmsb: somethign like that...Sep 17 19:02
schestowitzRace to the bottomSep 17 19:02
schestowitzThat's why the Western capitalists love communist chainaSep 17 19:02
schestowitz*chinaSep 17 19:03
msbBenefitting oneself by harming others is pretty much the definition of sociopathy.Sep 17 19:03
schestowitzin Austrlia it's pronnounced ChoinaSep 17 19:03
schestowitz*pronouncedSep 17 19:03
msbGovernments of capitalist nations attack socialist nations -- invade, bomb, mass murder.  Because socialism gives workers the benefit of their work instead of giving it to corporation owners.  Sep 17 19:07
DaemonFCI don't think Iraq or Afghanistan were great examples of social equality Sep 17 19:10
DaemonFC:)Sep 17 19:10
msbCapitalist businessmen use predatory business and economic practices, and then also control the governments of their nations to use military force on other countries.Sep 17 19:11
msbDaemonFC: No, they were attacked mostly for reasons involving oil.Sep 17 19:12
msbAlso just to have wars, which are extremely profitable for weapons manufacturers (falsely called "defense" companies).Sep 17 19:12
MinceRso long as the benefit of workers' work is oppression and povertySep 17 19:13
msbCapitalism always wants to have a war going on, for profit and to keep better control of their own people -- "Don't you know there's a war on?"Sep 17 19:14
DaemonFCMinceR, can tell you all about what "socialists" did to his countrySep 17 19:17
DaemonFCthey call themselves that....Sep 17 19:17
MinceRi already didSep 17 19:17
DaemonFCuntil they get into powerSep 17 19:17
MinceRbut msb behaves like any other religious zealot does and ignores all information that doesn't confirm his beliefsSep 17 19:17
msbThe U.S. government always says that its soldiers are protecting the country, even though the ones it attacks -- Korea, Vietnam, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc, etc, have never attacked the U.S.Sep 17 19:17
MinceRi even suggested he move to a socialist country and enjoy the benefits he keeps advertisingSep 17 19:18
Diablo-D3dont blame the soldiers, msb Sep 17 19:18
msbMinceR: No, I say that Soviet socialism mutated into sociopathic dictatorship and was very bad.Sep 17 19:19
MinceRit actually was sociopathic dictatorship the entire timeSep 17 19:19
MinceRjust like everywhere elseSep 17 19:19
MinceRand that is the only thing putting all property into the hands of the state guaranteesSep 17 19:20
msbDiablo-D3: I don't blame the soldiers, but rather the rulers and their media propaganda for the lies.Sep 17 19:20
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Diablo-D3carry on thenSep 17 19:20
PawnStarhiSep 17 19:20
msbHowever, I think the lives of US soldiers are no more valuable than those of the people they murder in the invasions.Sep 17 19:21
Diablo-D3but they are no less valuable.Sep 17 19:22
PawnStardo you folks remember c.o.l.a before roy started flooding itSep 17 19:22
Diablo-D3PawnStar: that question is nonsensicalSep 17 19:23
*schestowitz smells a fishSep 17 19:23
Diablo-D3cola didnt exist until microsoft decided to attack roySep 17 19:23
*MinceR smells a trollSep 17 19:23
msbDiablo-D3: But our media propaganda always emphasizes the deeds of our great soldiers and never the people they slaughter in the countries they invade.Sep 17 19:23
PawnStarDiablo-D3:  you're kiddinh, right\/Sep 17 19:23
schestowitzmsb: not mutually exclusiveSep 17 19:23
Diablo-D3PawnStar: dude, if you're going to troll, I get to troll right backSep 17 19:24
PawnStarc.o.l.a was around long before roy started posting thereSep 17 19:24
_Goblinand considerably longer than you will be here if you provoke...Sep 17 19:24
Diablo-D3PawnStar: and just think, Roy is the ultimate troll. Just by you being here, hes winning.Sep 17 19:24
PawnStari've been on c.o.l.a for many yearsSep 17 19:24
msbRoy posts info that is relevant to the purpose of cola.  That is not "flooding".Sep 17 19:24
PawnStarDiablo-D3:  i came here to chat with Snit, mainlySep 17 19:25
Diablo-D3Yet you brought up colaSep 17 19:25
Diablo-D3Thus, Roy is winning.Sep 17 19:25
msbPawnStar: What name do you post under in cola?Sep 17 19:25
PawnStarRoy is not even human.  he's a spam-bot.  no bot has ever defeated meSep 17 19:25
schestowitzflatPrawn?Sep 17 19:25
_GoblinPawnStar: I'm sorry Snit is not here, you can find him on G+ as well as COLA.Sep 17 19:25
PawnStari'm not a fan of Snit, btwSep 17 19:26
PawnStarhe seems mad to meSep 17 19:26
_GoblinPawnStar: and I believe he took an invite from me for DiasporaSep 17 19:26
Diablo-D3cola has never been any goodSep 17 19:26
PawnStari think Snit has anger issuesSep 17 19:26
Diablo-D3I tried following it back in the mid 90s, it was mostly anti-GNU shitSep 17 19:26
PawnStarmost people in c.o.l.a are insaneSep 17 19:26
_Goblinbut you came here to talk to him?Sep 17 19:26
Diablo-D3I guess it hasnt changedSep 17 19:26
PawnStarc.o.l.a wasn't anti-gnu shitSep 17 19:26
PawnStarwith the exception of a few trollsSep 17 19:26
PawnStarc.o.l.a was fantastic before Roy started flooding itSep 17 19:27
schestowitzLinus Torvalds posted in COLASep 17 19:27
msbDiablo-D3: I think cola is a fine forum, except that it's full of Microsoft propaganda agents, which do flood it with anti-Linux attacks.Sep 17 19:27
schestowitzhe's not vehemently anti-gnuSep 17 19:27
_Goblinso why not just killfile if you feel so strongly?Sep 17 19:27
_Goblinwhy come into the techrights channel?Sep 17 19:27
_Goblinah yes I forgot...Sep 17 19:27
msbPawnStar: What name do you post under in cola?Sep 17 19:27
_Goblinto talk to Snit, the one you say have anger issues.Sep 17 19:28
schestowitzmsb: dont' askSep 17 19:28
schestowitzHe'd flood the channelSep 17 19:28
schestowitzIt can't take a list that big :-)Sep 17 19:28
PawnStarno, i'm not flatfishSep 17 19:28
Diablo-D3msb: well no one uses usenet anymoreSep 17 19:28
PawnStari don't post much nowadaysSep 17 19:28
_Goblindoes it matter...Sep 17 19:28
_Goblindoes anyone really care about cola?Sep 17 19:28
_Goblinmaybe the 10 or so that post....Sep 17 19:28
schestowitzthe fdaSep 17 19:29
PawnStari used to post under the name 'mbp'Sep 17 19:29
_Goblinnot mvp?Sep 17 19:29
_Goblin;)Sep 17 19:29
PawnStarlolSep 17 19:29
msbCola has thousands of subscribers just through google.Sep 17 19:29
_Goblinyep I'm sure....Sep 17 19:30
_Goblinand just loads of different and influential people write to it.Sep 17 19:30
schestowitzhttp://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/search?group=comp.os.linux.advocacy&q=mbp&qt_g=Search+this+groupSep 17 19:30
PawnStarRoy, i think that what you said about Steve Jobs was in very, very bad tasteSep 17 19:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: comp.os.linux.advocacy |   Google Groups .::. Size~: 41.73 KBSep 17 19:30
PawnStarhe quit because of cancer, and you claimed that he quit because he sucked at his jobSep 17 19:30
msbUsenet is the canonical worldwide forum for its vast variety of subjects.Sep 17 19:30
_Goblinits a place for bickering, reciprocated by both sides of the "fence".....Sep 17 19:30
schestowitzI prpovoked trollsSep 17 19:30
_Goblinmsb: Im talking COLASep 17 19:31
schestowitzI didn't actually take plasure in the Jobs thingSep 17 19:31
schestowitzJust seeing the trolls' reactionSep 17 19:31
schestowitzJustifies his Jesus-like imageSep 17 19:31
PawnStarthat says a lot about your characterSep 17 19:31
_Goblinmsb: theres still some other great NG's Sep 17 19:31
PawnStaryou make nasty comments about someone with ill healthSep 17 19:31
schestowitzNo, about a public figureSep 17 19:31
schestowitzA billionaire who is suign LinuxSep 17 19:32
schestowitzA lotSep 17 19:32
schestowitzAiming to embargoSep 17 19:32
schestowitzDon't paint his as a frail poor man when it suits youSep 17 19:32
PawnStarso?  who cares if he's publicSep 17 19:32
PawnStarhe's suing Linux?Sep 17 19:32
schestowitzyes, through Android vendorsSep 17 19:32
msb_Goblin: COLA is fine except for the Microsoft propaganda agents.  Roy improves it greatly by introducing a lot of relevant discussion areas.Sep 17 19:32
schestowitzThe Inquirer taunts Jobs worshippers every daySep 17 19:33
schestowitzIt does that flamboyantlySep 17 19:33
schestowitzTo show how radical they areSep 17 19:33
PawnStarthen post about that.  lying, by saying that he's leaving because of bad performance, is not onSep 17 19:33
PawnStarif you just lie, nobody takes you seriouslySep 17 19:33
schestowitzPawnStar: combination of bothSep 17 19:33
schestowitzHealth depends on compusure toSep 17 19:33
schestowitz*tooSep 17 19:34
schestowitzMaybe he though he's not as needed anymore, Cook is the litigation dunceSep 17 19:34
schestowitzAlways beenSep 17 19:34
schestowitzSince 2009Sep 17 19:34
PawnStaryou're saying that he got cancer because he sucked at his job?Sep 17 19:34
schestowitzWhen he threatened PalmSep 17 19:34
schestowitzNow Job leaves the company in the heands of a socipth bigget than himSep 17 19:34
schestowitzTo escape and dodge being seen as a bullySep 17 19:34
schestowitzSame with GatesSep 17 19:34
schestowitzGates left in July 2007 IIRCSep 17 19:34
schestowitzAnd then Microsoft started extorting LinuxSep 17 19:35
PawnStaryou're saying that he got cancer because he sucked at his job?Sep 17 19:35
_Goblinmsb: Im sorry I disagree.....with the exception of a few the Linux "advocates" enjoy the bickering as much as the Microsoft trolls.... its merely arguing....what on earth can be gleamed from COLA that you can't find in a more adult forum elsewhere...its not like COLA is the place for breaking news or sensible adult discussion...Sep 17 19:35
schestowitzThe July 2007 attacksSep 17 19:35
PawnStarRoy, you'd be more convincing if you stopped lying/deceivingSep 17 19:35
schestowitz[19:34] <PawnStar> you're saying that he got cancer because he sucked at his job?Sep 17 19:35
schestowitzWhat a silly argument from a dishonest mindSep 17 19:35
PawnStari'm asking you to clarify your statementSep 17 19:35
PawnStar"<schestowitz> Health depends on compusure to"Sep 17 19:36
PawnStaryou seem to be saying that his getting cancer was related to his poor form at workSep 17 19:36
schestowitzPawnStar: you claim to havebeen in COLA for agesSep 17 19:36
schestowitzAnd I can't see your posting history thereSep 17 19:36
schestowitzAnd then you try to daemonise meSep 17 19:36
schestowitzClaiming I said things I never didSep 17 19:36
PawnStaranswer the questionSep 17 19:36
PawnStaryou're saying that he got cancer because he sucked at his job?Sep 17 19:36
_Goblinshow the quote and link PawnStar Sep 17 19:36
schestowitzI think you're just trolling under an imaginary credential Sep 17 19:36
_Goblinthen let Roy answerSep 17 19:37
PawnStarokay, so you refuse to answer the questionSep 17 19:37
_Goblinno....Sep 17 19:37
PawnStarbecause it's yet more lies from youSep 17 19:37
_Goblinshow the quote and link PawnstarSep 17 19:37
iophkDon't feed the trollSep 17 19:37
PawnStarRoy, you know those politicians everyone hates because they just lie, lie, lie?Sep 17 19:37
PawnStaryeah, that's youSep 17 19:37
_Goblinlets all see Roy answerSep 17 19:37
PawnStargood luck with thatSep 17 19:37
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schestowitz[19:36] <PawnStar> you're saying that he got cancer because he sucked at his job?Sep 17 19:37
schestowitzDid your wife go to the clinic cause you hit her?Sep 17 19:37
_Goblinwell he couldn't show his link or your quote Roy so I think that answers the question.Sep 17 19:38
_Goblinnot only the liar of his handle, but the liar on what he was claiming you said.Sep 17 19:38
schestowitzI think it's one of the exusting trollsSep 17 19:38
msb_Goblin: I think the Linux advocates in COLA would much more enjoy discussing Linux, but they feel they have to respond to the Microsoft propagandists, to prevent visitors to the newsgroup from being influenced by their lies.Sep 17 19:38
_Goblinanother one #fails.Sep 17 19:38
schestowitzJust nymshiftingSep 17 19:38
schestowitzso anyway, msb, I agree with your points about foreign policySep 17 19:39
schestowitzBut people typically cannot see itSep 17 19:39
_Goblinmsb: Really...I see many of them saying "don't feed the trolls" then go on to do it themselves...or they create convenient new nyms to do so as they can't challenge directly because they have already claimed to killfile.Sep 17 19:39
schestowitzSo they don't need to have an element off guiltSep 17 19:39
schestowitzWhat should evoke shame is actually spun as a source of national prideSep 17 19:39
schestowitzcas eof point: military proganda called air showsSep 17 19:39
schestowitzAnd they end up with a hole in the groundSep 17 19:40
msbThere are no posts in COLA by "mbp" in the google database.Sep 17 19:40
schestowitzof course notSep 17 19:40
_Goblinmsb: And really, visitors to COLA? You really think a Linux newb is going to find anything of value in COLA? Most modern end-users don't even know what Usenet is....Sep 17 19:40
_Goblinmsb: Ive seen more adult conversation and Linux advocacy in one week of the Diaspora Alpha then Ive seen in a year of COLA......Sep 17 19:41
iophkUsenet used to be part of the basic ISP subscription packages.Sep 17 19:42
_Goblinyep....Sep 17 19:42
_GoblinIve a subscription with Tiger now....Sep 17 19:42
_Goblinbut its not for COLA>Sep 17 19:42
iophkIt is probably out of favor with the powers that be because it cannot be throttled or censored.Sep 17 19:42
iophkISPs want a walled garden, governments want subservienceSep 17 19:43
_Goblinor its becoming more niche and not a feature the vast majority of their customers want.Sep 17 19:43
iophkIt is now definitely niche.Sep 17 19:43
_GoblinI would guess out of the mainstream at best 1 in 10 would even have heard about Usenet.Sep 17 19:43
_Goblinand thats being generous.Sep 17 19:43
iophkThe absolute numbers of knowledgable IT users is decreasing.Sep 17 19:44
iophkThe number of novices increases.Sep 17 19:44
_Goblinapathy is the biggest enemy of software freedom....Sep 17 19:44
iophkIt strikes in many populations.Sep 17 19:44
_Goblinright..brb dinnerSep 17 19:45
schestowitz[19:44] <iophk> The absolute numbers of knowledgable IT users is decreasing.                << define "IT"Sep 17 19:45
iophkBy any definition, Sep 17 19:45
iophkthe skilled users are decreasing.Sep 17 19:46
schestowitzDoes paper-pusher count? Digital one?Sep 17 19:46
schestowitzIn the UK IT means somethijng different maybeSep 17 19:46
msb_Goblin: Yes, non-posting visitors.  As I said, there are 2480 subscribers to COLA via google -- http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?sel=usenet%3Dcomp.os.linuxSep 17 19:46
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iophkI'd say that no matter how you look at the definition, the number that know what they are doing is decreasing.  Sep 17 19:47
schestowitzI remember when it was 1500 some time after I had started posting in COLASep 17 19:47
iophkTake web development. Sep 17 19:47
iophkThe number of unusable sites is growing.Sep 17 19:47
iophkbrbSep 17 19:47
msbschestowitz: Me too.  It's increasing.Sep 17 19:47
schestowitzNumber of ub site is growingSep 17 19:47
schestowitzWalled gardens: FB, Twitter, etxc.Sep 17 19:47
schestowitzRather than opening with more and more blogSep 17 19:47
schestowitzHad a chat today about what those sites are doing and how people view them. Some people don't give a damn, they just want to upload photos of whateverSep 17 19:48
schestowitzThey leave the thinking until later, when they lose their puzzle piecesSep 17 19:48
msbUnfortunately people are educated -- by religion, TV, etc. -- to avoid thinking.Sep 17 19:50
msbThat makes them easier to control.Sep 17 19:50
MinceRthankfully there are a few people on whom this "education" fails :>Sep 17 19:50
msbYes!Sep 17 19:50
schestowitzShame on usSep 17 19:51
schestowitz!google bush shame on meSep 17 19:51
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schestowitzhttp://status.net/2011/09/16/status-of-upgrade-to-statusnet-1-0-0-on-identi-ca-and-statusnet-cloudSep 17 19:52
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schestowitz"Sep 17 19:54
schestowitzHope the service is back up soon.Sep 17 19:54
schestowitz I am getting withdraw symptoms.Sep 17 19:54
schestowitz"Sep 17 19:54
msbschestowitz: No shame on you.  You broadcast essential information in many forums to alert people to what's going on in the computer/Internet world.Sep 17 19:54
schestowitzI should have added "/sarcasm"Sep 17 19:56
schestowitzLinux is winning nowSep 17 19:56
schestowitzBut not GNUSep 17 19:56
schestowitzGNU is like the divorved/estranged wife of a singer making a breakthroughSep 17 19:56
schestowitzShe's still around to claim some glory and hang out with hold friends, but she doesn't get much appreciationSep 17 19:56
schestowitzAndroid is now the main new victorSep 17 19:57
schestowitzUnclear what would happen if Android took over laptops as wellSep 17 19:57
schestowitzUbuntu is losing mostly o AndroidSep 17 19:57
schestowitzNot WindowsSep 17 19:57
schestowitzor mac os XSep 17 19:58
schestowitzSo Android becomes the onyl standing mobile LinuxSep 17 19:58
schestowitzAnd also the Linux with most impactSep 17 19:58
schestowitz!google dibona android linux dream come trueSep 17 19:58
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TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Google: "Android is the Linux desktop dream come true ... | http://derstandard.at/1308186313932/Interview-Google-Android-is-the-Linux-desktop-dream-come-trueSep 17 19:58
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Google: Android Is The Linux Dream Come True | http://digitizor.com/2011/07/12/google-android-linux-dream/Sep 17 19:58
msb" <_Goblin> msb: Really...I see many of them saying "don't feed the trolls" then go on to do it themselves"  Debunking the Microsoft anti-Linux propaganda lies in COLA is called "feeding the trolls" by some, but it really isn't.  The MS agents post their lies regardless of whether anyone responds.  They are not actually "trolls".Sep 17 19:58
MinceR211309 < schestowitz> Unclear what would happen if Android took over laptops as wellSep 17 19:59
MinceRdumb laptops? :>Sep 17 19:59
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DaemonFChttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Windows_8Sep 17 20:00
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DaemonFC"On September 16, 2011, Microsoft announced that the Immersive Version of Internet Explorer 10 will not work with Adobe Flash or any other Active X plugins. Instead it will use HTML5. The Desktop Version of IE10 will continue to support Active X plugins including Flash"Sep 17 20:00
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schestowitzPR agents use WikipediaSep 17 20:01
schestowitzto announce stuffSep 17 20:01
schestowitzand MVPs tooSep 17 20:01
schestowitzIt's absurb when the PR industry and media/informarion industry work so tightly togetherSep 17 20:02
iophkIt's made a mess of WikipediaSep 17 20:02
schestowitzYou don't know the difference between ads/endorsements and actual analysisSep 17 20:02
msbThe modular set of tools which is GNU/Linux and its apps has no equal for intelligent people who want to accomplish complex tasks.Sep 17 20:02
schestowitziophk: see the Zune pagesSep 17 20:02
iophkOnly those with the resources to camp on pages get heardSep 17 20:02
schestowitzIt's all just like toned down marketingSep 17 20:02
iophkWhy the zune pages?Sep 17 20:02
iophk!google zune turdSep 17 20:03
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TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Urban Dictionary: zune crap | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3Dzune%2520crapSep 17 20:03
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schestowitziophk: or get herdSep 17 20:03
schestowitzat some stage searching google for waggener put techrights' wiki about it in page 1Sep 17 20:03
DaemonFCSo now it's only Spyware Toolbar Explorer on the classic desktop, and on the Metro desktop it won't play your favorite porn sites.....I mean, "youtube"Sep 17 20:03
MinceRso i herd you like mudkipsSep 17 20:03
schestowitzW-E must not have liked itSep 17 20:03
schestowitzMaybe they could hire sme blackhat SEO to cancel those outSep 17 20:04
iophkdid you save a screen shot of the search?Sep 17 20:04
MinceRwho's W-E?Sep 17 20:04
schestowitzMinceR: do not wantSep 17 20:04
MinceR:>Sep 17 20:04
iophkMinceR: one of the main PR firms working for M$Sep 17 20:04
schestowitz!google waggener edstrommSep 17 20:04
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - PR Agency | Digital Communications | Waggener Edstrom Worldwide | http://waggeneredstrom.com/Sep 17 20:04
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Careers | Waggener Edstrom Worldwide | http://waggeneredstrom.com/careersSep 17 20:04
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MinceRicSep 17 20:04
schestowitzPR Watch has a page on themSep 17 20:05
schestowitzCMD (PR Watch  parent) has just won a journalism awardSep 17 20:05
schestowitzI'm onlin friends with some people thereSep 17 20:05
msbSo GNU/Linux has a niche appeal, but it is to intelligent thinking people.  While we are unfortunately a minority, we seed ideas into the rest of the population.  And we certainly are not going away.Sep 17 20:05
schestowitzTheir organisation oft he wiki is something we need to emulate in TR, eventuallySep 17 20:05
iophkIt's a small portion of the population that thinks.Sep 17 20:05
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schestowitzmsb: or intelligent companiesSep 17 20:06
schestowitzThey foist itSep 17 20:06
schestowitzSotrage servers, tomtom, etc.Sep 17 20:06
schestowitzWe don't need to market Linux to people, escept where there is rampant OEM corruption (desktop)Sep 17 20:06
schestowitz*ExceptSep 17 20:06
msbiophk: Unfortunately so.  But we encourage everyone to think.  We fight against the programming of minds.Sep 17 20:07
schestowitzImet my mate from Canada today and told him to install LinuxSep 17 20:07
schestowitzI guess I could do that whil;e he was here, but to him the price point was an appealing point, so he'll get it doneSep 17 20:07
schestowitzI told him about OOo and FirefoxSep 17 20:07
schestowitzPeople know these, esp. FirefoxSep 17 20:08
schestowitzhe mostly works through the web browserSep 17 20:08
iophkNearly everyone I run into uses FirefoxSep 17 20:08
schestowitzmany people do, so they get tablets and netbooksSep 17 20:08
msbMicrosoft's secret contract with computer vendors forbids them from from installing any other OS along with Windows on their machines, and dual-booting.Sep 17 20:08
iophkApparently it is the plugins that make it extra attractive.Sep 17 20:08
schestowitzor put another shell on top of WindowsSep 17 20:08
schestowitzlike KDESep 17 20:08
schestowitzIt has to be MSIE by defaultSep 17 20:08
schestowitzWMP by defaultSep 17 20:08
schestowitzMetro/Fisher Price by fdefaultSep 17 20:09
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iophkYou can't get rid of MSIE without first getting rid of Windows.Sep 17 20:09
msbBut fortunately one can install Firefox and just not use MSIE.Sep 17 20:09
schestowitzI saw some ditry B0ng tricksSep 17 20:09
schestowitzFriends whose machine forcs them to use B0ngSep 17 20:09
iophk2GB of RAM in a Netbook with Linux makes a big difference.Sep 17 20:10
schestowitzOr cancels out their Google prefs whenever they close the browserSep 17 20:10
iophkHow does their machine force them into Bung?Sep 17 20:10
schestowitzThe vole is not being punished for these clear abusesSep 17 20:10
iophkIs that a WIndows thing?Sep 17 20:10
schestowitzyesSep 17 20:10
schestowitzthe solution is to get rid of OEM corruotionSep 17 20:10
schestowitzAnd then let people PAY for WindowsSep 17 20:10
schestowitzSee if they buy itSep 17 20:10
iophkThe more I learn about Windows the more disgusting it seems.Sep 17 20:10
schestowitz$200 for BSOD thingSep 17 20:10
schestowitzOr just default fre OS with firefox Sep 17 20:11
iophkYes it is the choke hold on the OEMs that is the problem in market shareSep 17 20:11
schestowitzAND an office suiteSep 17 20:11
schestowitzhere in the UK this company I bought sa serve for advertises OpenOfifce.orgSep 17 20:11
schestowitzOn rfurbished boxesSep 17 20:11
iophkIf security were a concern, M$ would drop MSIE and just license Opera.Sep 17 20:11
schestowitzFor both Windows and LinuxSep 17 20:11
schestowitzBoth boast preinstalled OOooSep 17 20:11
schestowitzBut WIndows is charged for separatelySep 17 20:11
schestowitzso one is better off going with the default (Linux)Sep 17 20:12
iophkGood.  It should be a separate charge.Sep 17 20:12
schestowitziophk: Opera has just improved native gtk supportSep 17 20:12
iophkIf only OEMs were that way.Sep 17 20:12
schestowitzbut having proprietary code would be a selling point for MSSep 17 20:12
schestowitzHaving Windows web chat packages didn't stop MS from buying skypeSep 17 20:12
schestowitzThey might want to hide behind another brandSep 17 20:12
schestowitzLike OperaSep 17 20:12
schestowitz!google dvorak microsoft operaSep 17 20:13
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Is Opera in Microsoft's future? - John Dvorak's Second Opinion ... | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/is-opera-in-microsofts-futureSep 17 20:13
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Dvorak: Microsoft should buy Opera | http://operawatch.com/news/2005/12/dvorak-microsoft-should-buy-opera.htmlSep 17 20:13
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - What Will Become of Opera? | http://gadgetopia.com/post/3313Sep 17 20:13
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Microsoft or Google to buy Opera? | 456 Berea Street | http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200512/microsoft_or_google_to_buy_opera/Sep 17 20:13
iophkM$ can only stay on top in the desktop as long as the overwhelming majority get no hands on experience with other systems.Sep 17 20:14
iophkIf they do, then their FUD is exposed and people will start to ignore them.Sep 17 20:14
schestowitzDoes someone here use Integrated Lights-Out ?Sep 17 20:14
schestowitzI'm trying to find some material on itSep 17 20:15
iophkYou mean a tiny computer piggybacked onto the main computer?Sep 17 20:15
iophkI used it briefly a few years ago.Sep 17 20:16
msbiophk: Exactly!  That's why MS prevents dual-booting, censors publications with its advertising money, attacks Linux with the SCO lawsuit and patents, and floods COLA with lying propaganda.Sep 17 20:16
iophkYou can also buy kits that allow you to start/stop power over the web.Sep 17 20:16
iophkmsb: agreedSep 17 20:16
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goblin_schestowitz: Am I right in thinking Sebsebseb will be coming on TechBytes next ep?Sep 17 20:28
schestowitzyes, if possible :-)Sep 17 20:30
schestowitzbtw, auitojoin the techbytes channelSep 17 20:31
schestowitzto avoid us talking about stuff out of context here :-)Sep 17 20:31
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/nealmcb/status/113329940572811264Sep 17 20:32
TechrightsBot-tr@nealmcb: @totn "America Invents" patent "reform" act is a sham. We need a ban on software patents which are BAD for innovation! http://t.co/WwuwBJvSep 17 20:32
TechrightsBot-tr@: Sep 17 20:32
goblin_schestowitz: didn't realize we still ran that..... Sep 17 20:33
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abushcrafterschestowitz: pong (you ping I pong) :)Sep 17 21:10
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abushcrafter!google c.o.l.aSep 17 21:19
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - COLA - Laboratory Accreditation | http://www.cola.org/Sep 17 21:19
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Cola - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColaSep 17 21:19
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Coca-Cola Global: Soft Drinks & Beverage Products | http://www.coca-cola.com/Sep 17 21:19
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Cost-of-Living Adjustment (COLA) Information | http://www.ssa.gov/cola/Sep 17 21:19
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koolhead17hi guysSep 17 21:27
schestowitzHelloSep 17 21:30
schestowitzHappy Software Freeodm DaySep 17 21:30
abushcrafter!google c".o.l.a"Sep 17 21:31
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Coca-Cola Global: Soft Drinks & Beverage Products | http://www.coca-cola.com/Sep 17 21:31
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Cola - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColaSep 17 21:31
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - COLA - Laboratory Accreditation | http://www.cola.org/Sep 17 21:31
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - 2011 Cost-of-Living Allowance (COLA) | Military.com | http://www.military.com/benefits/content/military-pay/allowances/cost-of-living-allowance-cola.htmlSep 17 21:31
abushcrafter!google "c.o.l.a"Sep 17 21:31
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - COLA - Laboratory Accreditation | http://www.cola.org/Sep 17 21:31
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Cola - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColaSep 17 21:31
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Coca-Cola Global: Soft Drinks & Beverage Products | http://www.coca-cola.com/Sep 17 21:31
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Cost-of-Living Adjustment (COLA) Information | http://www.ssa.gov/cola/Sep 17 21:31
schestowitzGoogle doesn't index like thisSep 17 21:32
schestowitzIt's not compatible with its tokenisationSep 17 21:32
schestowitzAnd IIRC the quotes syntax does not adhere to what the bot, TechrightsBot-tr, is programmed to doSep 17 21:32
abushcrafterI have seem refs to cola before and I don't get it.Sep 17 21:32
abushcrafterohSep 17 21:32
schestowitzit's a newsgrupSep 17 21:33
schestowitzUSENETSep 17 21:33
schestowitzcomp.os.linux.advocacy (COLA)Sep 17 21:33
schestowitzSome of our post news there and chatSep 17 21:33
abushcraftermust find out more about usenetSep 17 21:33
schestowitzYou needn'tSep 17 21:33
schestowitzUSENET is dyingSep 17 21:33
schestowitzThink of it like MySpaceSep 17 21:33
schestowitzSooner or later it'll be like ARPANETSep 17 21:33
abushcrafterohSep 17 21:33
abushcrafterthough, Is it a website?Sep 17 21:34
schestowitzNo, it predates the WebSep 17 21:34
schestowitzIt uses nntpSep 17 21:34
schestowitznot http/wwwSep 17 21:34
_GoblinUsenet is dying..however, I think we will see an increase in subs to providers because of the increasing popularity of the binaries.Sep 17 21:34
schestowitzThe binaries are nother matterSep 17 21:35
schestowitzThey're just using rhe same protocolSep 17 21:35
schestowitzThey're not quite newsgroups per se, just a twist on the framework/infrstructureSep 17 21:35
schestowitzdecntralised distribution on nodesSep 17 21:35
_Goblinyep....and still posted to Usenet, indexed in multiples by nzbSep 17 21:35
schestowitzIt's one of the last-standing peer to peer (with nodes) methodsSep 17 21:35
schestowitzCause MAFIAA is attacking torrent and p2pSep 17 21:36
_Goblinno such attacks can be made on Usenet...or at least not as far as the "end-user" is concerned.Sep 17 21:36
_Goblinho hum...Sep 17 21:39
_Goblinwhat to do.....Sep 17 21:39
_Goblinbeen playing around with Dyne:BolikSep 17 21:39
abushcrafterany advantages over other decentralized communication? there's disploma, statusnet? what else is there?Sep 17 21:40
_Goblindisploma?Sep 17 21:40
_Goblindiaspora?Sep 17 21:40
schestowitzBolic?Sep 17 21:40
_GoblinlolSep 17 21:40
_GoblinyepSep 17 21:40
abushcraftersorry can't spellSep 17 21:40
_Goblinneither can I!Sep 17 21:40
schestowitzDyne:BoratSep 17 21:40
abushcrafterbyoricSep 17 21:40
schestowitzisniceSep 17 21:40
schestowitzreallySep 17 21:40
schestowitzmy dad watched it yesterdaySep 17 21:41
_Goblinhttp://www.dynebolic.org/Sep 17 21:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: dyne:bolic GNU/Linux | The instant bootable operating system .::. Size~: 26.35 KBSep 17 21:41
schestowitzis niceSep 17 21:41
_Goblin....Sep 17 21:41
schestowitzis nice?Sep 17 21:41
_Goblinwe'll seeSep 17 21:41
schestowitz"your wife is beautiful. And she...."Sep 17 21:42
_Goblin"Free software is about having control over the technology we use...." - Ive a few comments on that statement.Sep 17 21:42
schestowitzBeen ages since I watched it in the cinema...Sep 17 21:43
schestowitz_Goblin: it's about many thignsSep 17 21:43
schestowitzTo different peopleSep 17 21:43
schestowitzto a lot of people like me it's about controlSep 17 21:43
_GoblinYep, I'm sure...Sep 17 21:43
schestowitzCause we know how to change the programsSep 17 21:43
schestowitzwith proprietary you need to ask someone else to do it and it's unlikely tro get done as those with the source code restrain such stuff so as to keep more control over the customerSep 17 21:44
_Goblintell me though, if you have a user who has migrated to linux and has a dependency on relics from Windows (say a collection of WMV files) how is it having control over the tech if the distro won't support it?Sep 17 21:44
schestowitzFree software is also a consumer rights elevatorSep 17 21:44
schestowitz_Goblin: linux can handle those filesSep 17 21:45
schestowitzIn fact, it can handle most such thingsSep 17 21:45
schestowitzWith wine tooSep 17 21:45
schestowitzSome people are too lazy to try thatSep 17 21:45
schestowitz!google fsf priority listSep 17 21:45
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - High Priority Free Software Projects — Free Software Foundation ... | http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority-projects/Sep 17 21:45
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - FSF reboots its High Priority list with a grant and call for input — Free ... | http://www.fsf.org/news/FSF_reboots_hpp_listSep 17 21:45
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - High Priority Free Software Projects - Free Software Foundation | https://my.fsf.org/donate/directed-donations/high-prioritySep 17 21:45
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Linux.com :: FSF high priority list becomes a campaign, seeks ... | http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/149424Sep 17 21:45
_GoblinIm talking the distro's that don't out of the box...nor do they encourage it....I know Linux can handle WMV...Ive used it myself.Sep 17 21:45
schestowitzThese are some of the areas where impasse remainsSep 17 21:45
schestowitz_Goblin: wmv is proprietarySep 17 21:46
schestowitzSo to have control over the technology you probably want to start by running lame -[opt] *Sep 17 21:46
schestowitzThis way all you need to play the files is some freely-downloadable binary and accompanying source codeSep 17 21:46
schestowitzThe whole stack beneath is free tooSep 17 21:47
schestowitzgcc, toolchain, linux...Sep 17 21:47
_GoblinThe fight to rid the world of proprietary file formats/codecs should be taken to the distributer of materials/products not the end-user....you aint gonna convince someone to use ogg if Lady Gaga is only consumed in mp3.Sep 17 21:47
schestowitzThis means you can make a media player without asking anyone permission for some "licence"... hardware player or s/w platerSep 17 21:47
schestowitz*yerSep 17 21:47
schestowitzogg has critical mass issueSep 17 21:48
schestowitzbut...Sep 17 21:48
schestowitzWebm is succeedingSep 17 21:48
schestowitzAlready billions of filesSep 17 21:48
schestowitzin youtubeSep 17 21:48
schestowitzthey star with critical mass at least for videoSep 17 21:48
schestowitzAnd youitube drove some other video hosting sites out of bizSep 17 21:48
schestowitz!google soapbox shuts downSep 17 21:48
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Microsoft's Soapbox shuts down, Broadband continues to grow ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DIguTPdYqX1wSep 17 21:48
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Microsoft closing YouTube rival | Microsoft - CNET News | http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10292031-75.htmlSep 17 21:48
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Video: Microsoft Shuts Down Soapbox | http://videos.webpronews.com/2007/03/23/microsofts-soapbox-shuts-down-broadband-continues-to-grow-googles-simple-site-pays/Sep 17 21:48
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - ModelMayhem.com - Government Shut Down | http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php%3Fthread_id%3D743622Sep 17 21:48
_Goblinthe content providers need to be encouraged first to adopt ogg, the end-user will then fall in to place.  As it stands with the mainstream works its mostly mp3...thats why you will never convince the mainstream...Sep 17 21:48
schestowitzI find youtube very handy as a viewer and also cintroibutorSep 17 21:48
schestowitzmp3 patrnts expire soonSep 17 21:49
schestowitzand there are codecs for these in reposSep 17 21:49
schestowitzSoon these will be legal to download everywhereSep 17 21:49
schestowitzThe patent treadmill doesn't last on that oneSep 17 21:49
schestowitzFLAC on the other hand..Sep 17 21:49
schestowitzActually, codecs are soon not going to be an issueSep 17 21:49
schestowitzMPEG-LA is worriedSep 17 21:49
schestowitzGoogle moves its video empire to vp8Sep 17 21:50
zoobabhiSep 17 21:50
schestowitzand audio patents on mp3 are nearly overSep 17 21:50
schestowitzhi, zoobabSep 17 21:50
schestowitzzoobab: I have some more cables comingSep 17 21:50
schestowitzLots on the EU patentSep 17 21:50
schestowitzFrom 2009 and 2010 evenSep 17 21:50
zoobabahahSep 17 21:50
schestowitzI'll organise these in a wiki laterSep 17 21:50
zoobabThe Nokia and Microsoft patents were bundled into a Luxembourg-based holding company called Core Wireless Licensing S.a.r.l. before the holding company was sold to Mosaid. Specific details about Core Wireless are shrouded in mystery.Sep 17 21:59
zoobabRead more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/Mosaid+deal+raises+worry+anti+trust+probes/5416913/story.html#ixzz1YFIABKK9Sep 17 21:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mosaid deal raises worry of anti-trust probes .::. Size~: 192.13 KBSep 17 21:59
zoobabur1.ca down?Sep 17 22:01
schestowitzyesSep 17 22:02
schestowitzprobablySep 17 22:02
schestowitzstatusnet/identica is upgrading this weekendSep 17 22:02
schestowitzMoving to version 1.0.0 with some new featuresSep 17 22:02
schestowitzA friend of mine (and colleague) who is a developer of an app that works with them is still trying to ensure it stays compatibleSep 17 22:02
schestowitzEvan said that they had few bugs/glitches migration and they still work on itSep 17 22:02
schestowitzThat's why you don't see TRIdentica outputting anythingSep 17 22:03
schestowitzzoobab: good article. I'll write about it tomorrowSep 17 22:08
schestowitzI also have two more cables on the EU PatentSep 17 22:09
schestowitzCables from BrusselsSep 17 22:09
schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/4DFBN.jpgSep 17 22:10
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting image/jpeg typeSep 17 22:10
schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/Wr5XO.jpgSep 17 22:11
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting image/jpeg typeSep 17 22:11
schestowitz_Goblin: I'll be in London next month, I thinkSep 17 22:14
_GoblinHopefully I'll have better luckSep 17 22:14
schestowitzWe need to take some photographsSep 17 22:14
_Goblin:)Sep 17 22:14
schestowitzEven for our web siteSep 17 22:14
_Goblinyep....its amazing how quickly time passes...those photos are old now!Sep 17 22:14
_Goblinheres something I forgot to tell you....Sep 17 22:15
schestowitzThe site served 12k pages last monthSep 17 22:15
schestowitzbytesmediaSep 17 22:15
_Goblinif you needed an example of Ms Linton's integrity......her site tuxmachines linked my rebuttle of her views on Jono.....very fair and honest lady...Sep 17 22:16
schestowitzI'm making a DB backup at the momentSep 17 22:16
schestowitz_Goblin: she isSep 17 22:16
schestowitzI used to chat with herSep 17 22:17
schestowitzI remember back when I wrote for an online magazine she also asked me for ways of getting inSep 17 22:17
schestowitzShe now writes for DW, LJ, OStaticSep 17 22:17
_GoblinNow she would be a good guest for the show...Sep 17 22:17
schestowitzOstatic lost many of its writersSep 17 22:17
schestowitzKristin, Joe, Lia, load moreSep 17 22:17
schestowitzIt's mainly Sam and Susan nowSep 17 22:18
schestowitz_Goblin: she's not into that... voiceSep 17 22:18
schestowitzor photosSep 17 22:18
schestowitzShe doesn't publicise herselfSep 17 22:18
schestowitzMore like PJSep 17 22:18
schestowitzBut do ask herSep 17 22:18
schestowitzSeopher once got her to do an interview with him... in textSep 17 22:18
schestowitzwallclimber also looks forward to being on the showSep 17 22:19
schestowitzWe're just bad at setting those meetings upSep 17 22:19
schestowitzRMS..Sep 17 22:19
_GoblinI'll can certainly ask her.Sep 17 22:19
schestowitzBetter you than I cause she likes your blogSep 17 22:21
schestowitzBut we have to actually set those upSep 17 22:22
schestowitzWe take people on the list but neglect to agree on times to record with themSep 17 22:22
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Possible_TechBytes_GuestsSep 17 22:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Possible TechBytes Guests - Techrights .::. Size~: 13.92 KBSep 17 22:22
schestowitzI'll add susanSep 17 22:22
schestowitzYoutube countes are oddSep 17 22:27
schestowitzThey only count as "view" cases where the user/visitor opens the video ina  standalone tabSep 17 22:27
schestowitzNot channel or embedSep 17 22:28
abushcrafterbut mp3 is rubbishSep 17 22:34
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/#!/GroklawSep 17 22:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Groklaw (@Groklaw) on Twitter .::. Size~: 36.98 KBSep 17 22:34
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/#!/groklawnewsSep 17 22:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Groklaw (@groklawnews) on Twitter .::. Size~: 34.79 KBSep 17 22:34
schestowitzI wonder which one is MarkSep 17 22:34
schestowitzThe older one they put up when the RSS feeed brokeSep 17 22:34
_Goblin"but mp3 is rubbish" - Maybe so in your opinion abushcrafter, however you have a hell of a lot of people to tell that too...Sep 17 22:39
_Goblin*toSep 17 22:39
abushcrafter_Goblin: I know. I will be keeped busy thenSep 17 22:41
abushcrafterecho "1 down [*-*] to go"Sep 17 22:42
abushcrafterlolSep 17 22:42
abushcrafteror > echo "1 down * to go"Sep 17 22:43
abushcrafterJust have a listen your self.Sep 17 22:44
_Goblinabushcrafter: thats why I say, the campaign should be taken to the content providers not the end-user....as long as Lady Gaga is vomiting out its rubbish on mp3, then thats what the mainstream will suck up.Sep 17 22:56
abushcrafterThere is that.Sep 17 22:57
_Goblintalking of music.....been really into Alestorm...shame we can't play it on TechBytes... :(Sep 17 22:57
_Goblinhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2tU3UJ9xJ8&feature=fvstSep 17 22:58
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Alestorm- Wolves of the Sea       - YouTube .::. Size~: 89.27 KBSep 17 22:58
abushcrafterBut then they say only if the customers/zombies ask for it. :(Sep 17 22:59
_GoblinYeah I suppose...Sep 17 22:59
DrumScum_Goblin: why can't you play alestorm on techrights?Sep 17 23:04
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sebsebsebhiSep 17 23:08
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_GoblinDrumScum: CopyrightSep 17 23:14
_GoblinDrumScum: and we don't have a ppl.Sep 17 23:15
MinceRppl?Sep 17 23:16
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_Goblinpublic performance licence.Sep 17 23:17
XFaCEIt's a beautiful day in my IRC roomSep 17 23:17
XFaCElolSep 17 23:17
XFaCEinteresting way to open this chatSep 17 23:17
XFaCE_Goblin: All I saw was "public performance licence."Sep 17 23:17
DaemonFCI have 585 messages in my Yahoo mail apparentlySep 17 23:19
XFaCEDunn-dunn-dunnn!Sep 17 23:19
DaemonFC585 of which are no doubt spamSep 17 23:19
XFaCEDaemonFC: I looked at GMX and thought it was ok I guess.Sep 17 23:20
DaemonFCbeats gmail, hotmail, or yahooSep 17 23:20
DaemonFCthe last time I used that Yahoo mail for actual mail was probably around 2004Sep 17 23:21
XFaCEweb 1.1 :DSep 17 23:21
DaemonFCmy Yahoo profile says I've been a member since 1999Sep 17 23:21
msbFor music, how about Uprising by Muse?  Official version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KQmps-Sog&ob=av2n   "Enhanced" version, very powerful:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTDwIN9oLvY     Sep 17 23:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Muse - Uprising       - YouTube .::. Size~: 102.93 KBSep 17 23:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Muse - Uprising (HQ)       - YouTube .::. Size~: 87.96 KBSep 17 23:22
DaemonFCthat was when Yahoo was neatSep 17 23:22
DaemonFCbefore they became crappy and eventually an arm of MicrosoftSep 17 23:22
XFaCEYahoo Music Videos, etc.Sep 17 23:24
_Goblinschestowitz: an old post of yours has just been linked on Diaspora...http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2005/11/21/windows-is-smoking/Sep 17 23:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » Windows is Like… Smoking .::. Size~: 31.59 KBSep 17 23:26
DaemonFCOur free trial of Kung Fu has expired!Sep 17 23:29
DaemonFC(from The Matrix Runs on Windows)Sep 17 23:29
abushcrafterSystem Syn: Here's To You. Describes the feelings have about school,"people". http://www.dependent.de/media/audio/mp3/System_Syn_Heres_to_You.zip http://www.systemsyn.com/ mp3 Yuck! need do "ask for flac" plan BSep 17 23:36
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: website .::. Size~: 43.52 KBSep 17 23:36
abushcrafterMe mem is low btwSep 17 23:36
abushcrafterThat was me on diaspora.Sep 17 23:37
_Goblinoh rightSep 17 23:41
_Goblinnever knew....sorrySep 17 23:41
_Goblinyou liking Diaspora?Sep 17 23:42
_GoblinI think its fantastic.Sep 17 23:42
schestowitz_Goblin: thanks :-)Sep 17 23:57

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