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| abushcrafter | yea. reducing efforts with fb | Sep 18 00:01 |
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| sebsebseb | September 18th people | Sep 18 00:02 |
| abushcrafter | Me like Muse. | Sep 18 00:02 |
| sebsebseb | a special day for Mageia really | Sep 18 00:02 |
| sebsebseb | just became September 18th in UK :D | Sep 18 00:02 |
| sebsebseb | as well | Sep 18 00:02 |
| abushcrafter | oh | Sep 18 00:02 |
| abushcrafter | Time to do the dish washer | Sep 18 00:02 |
| MinceR | kinky | Sep 18 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/6624/snapshot1hz.png | Sep 18 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | bling bling | Sep 18 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 18 00:03 |
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| abushcrafter | 60-43 mb mem free eak! | Sep 18 00:04 |
| abushcrafter | Nice desk | Sep 18 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/r6EWp.png | Sep 18 01:28 |
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| MinceR | looks like i'll be looking for an email client again | Sep 18 01:29 |
| MinceR | new feature in thunderbird 6: won't ask you whether you want to accept an invalid certificate | Sep 18 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | Bloatzilla Thunderbloat | Sep 18 01:33 |
| MinceR | though it looks more it completely fails at SSL as it is | Sep 18 01:33 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't mind the bloat if it actually worked | Sep 18 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | just use Seamonkey | Sep 18 01:34 |
| MinceR | meanwhile kmail just flat out refuses to show any folders | Sep 18 01:34 |
| MinceR | i'll give seamonkey a try | Sep 18 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1364/snapshot2i.png | Sep 18 01:34 |
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| MinceR | i can understand the need to further develop software, but why fuck up functionality that actually worked in the past? | Sep 18 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | this KFaenza icon theme really spruces the place up | Sep 18 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I tried grabbing Seamonkey from a PPA and it had no certificates at all | Sep 18 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | and told me every ssl page was untrusted | Sep 18 01:51 |
| MinceR | seamonkey failed at SSL in the exact same way | Sep 18 01:52 |
| MinceR | then again, maybe fedora fucked it up | Sep 18 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | theirs is old | Sep 18 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | it tends to be neglected by distros | Sep 18 01:53 |
| MinceR | i'll leave it for tomorrow or later | Sep 18 01:56 |
| MinceR | gn | Sep 18 02:02 |
| schestowitz | I ish I had a magic button to suppress all ssl cert warnings | Sep 18 02:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/krONik/statuses/115228841349349376 | Sep 18 07:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @krONik: #Gwibber is very lonely now identi.ca is being upgraded ... I'm lost: don't know about @Schestowitz | Sep 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/ghabuntu/statuses/115233731400314882 | Sep 18 07:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @ghabuntu: Deepwater Horizon Final Report Spares Microsoft: The official final report on the Deepwater Horizon drilling dis... http://t.co/xszoQVJg | Sep 18 07:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Sep 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/ is still down | Sep 18 07:51 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: tgere was a 20 minute downtime last night but I noticed it was fixed on its own unless some alerts came up and you restarted apache :-) | Sep 18 07:54 |
| tessier | I was alerted and fixed it. | Sep 18 07:55 |
| tessier | Wish I knew why it was getting hung up like that. | Sep 18 07:56 |
| tessier | Did you make any config changes in apache recently? | Sep 18 07:56 |
| tessier | It's always done that but it used to be rather rare. Now it's nearly every day recently. | Sep 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | I have made no changes I can think of in months... | Sep 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | It usually happens around the same time | Sep 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | I usually start backup/rsync cron at around that time or two hours earlier, but that has always been like that | Sep 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/iYD79.gif | Sep 18 08:15 |
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| schestowitz | identi.ca will hopefully be back today | Sep 18 08:16 |
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| schestowitz | Count the memes [IMG] http://i.imgur.com/YliUD.jpg | Sep 18 08:28 |
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| schestowitz | Cablegate: More Sensitive Diplomatic Cables About “Community Patent” or “EU Patent” http://techrights.org/2011/09/18/swpats-brussels-cables/ #swpats #eu | Sep 18 08:28 |
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| schestowitz | Antitrust Probe Over Microsoft’s Feeding of Patent Trolls to Attack Linux (Android) in Court http://techrights.org/2011/09/18/mosaid-as-attack-dog-2/ #swpats #mosaid #microsoft #nokia #android | Sep 18 08:57 |
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| schestowitz | Deepwater Horizon Final Report Spares Microsoft http://techrights.org/2011/09/17/deepwater-horizon-final-report-spares-microsoft/ | Sep 18 09:20 |
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| iophk | "roll of Microsoft" -> "role of Microsoft" | Sep 18 09:26 |
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| schestowitz | `fixed | Sep 18 09:40 |
| iophk | 'For months, the computer system had been locking up, producing what the crew called the “blue screen of death.” “It would just turn blue,” he said. “You’d have no data coming through.”' | Sep 18 09:48 |
| iophk | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/24/us/24hearings.html | Sep 18 09:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Oil Rig’s Siren Was Kept Silent, Technician Says - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 64.87 KB | Sep 18 09:48 |
| iophk | Is there a way to find out which individuals are involved in whitewashing M$ role in the disaster? | Sep 18 09:53 |
| schestowitz | it's a bit like the Apainair disaster | Sep 18 10:00 |
| schestowitz | Where Windows failed to alert | Sep 18 10:00 |
| schestowitz | And people like Microsoft Jack attack people who say this | Sep 18 10:00 |
| schestowitz | A sort of intimidation tactic | Sep 18 10:01 |
| schestowitz | Denyign what was actually reported in news outlets too | Sep 18 10:01 |
| schestowitz | It's aggressive Microsoft zealots sometimes | Sep 18 10:01 |
| schestowitz | Militant ones | Sep 18 10:01 |
| iophk | Free Software communities, and the rest of the world, need to face up to the fact that M$ is a social problem more than a technical one. Without the zealots, boosters and belluzos, M$ would disappear from the market quite quickly. | Sep 18 10:03 |
| amarsh04 | the trouble is that there is an entrenched acceptance of microsoft software running stuff that requires safety-critical software | Sep 18 10:31 |
| iophk | The acceptance, IMHO, comes from having too many zealots, boosters and belluzos around. | Sep 18 10:32 |
| amarsh04 | agreed, but the process of getting microsoft disappeared from where safety-critical software should be used has some hysteresis (pardon the use of the term but it's the best word I could think of) | Sep 18 10:34 |
| iophk | There are already many high profile crashes : stock exchange, air traffic, oil rigs, hospitals. | Sep 18 10:39 |
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| iophk | Clearly the technology fails. | Sep 18 10:39 |
| iophk | IMHO it is a social problem that is keeping M$ software around. | Sep 18 10:40 |
| MinceR | there's also the problem of forcing OEMs into deals and infiltrating governments | Sep 18 10:40 |
| amarsh04 | yes, and that social problem has inertia/hysteresis | Sep 18 10:41 |
| schestowitz | New Version of Linux Mint Debian is Released http://is.gd/zkEqfY | Sep 18 10:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux Mint Debian 201109 Released .::. Size~: 38.21 KB | Sep 18 10:41 |
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| iophk | Even /. has been subverted. | Sep 18 10:44 |
| iophk | Maybe cablegate will clean up some of the public sector problems. | Sep 18 10:44 |
| schestowitz | I found some Mundie lobbying today | Sep 18 10:45 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I should post it now? | Sep 18 10:45 |
| amarsh04 | I've been trying to arrange a meeting with someone at our state's Essential Services Commission. During the time I've been politely writing and later pestering them for an appointment, I became a fan of a singer, travelled to Japan so see her in concert in front of 26,500 people, met her backstage after the concert and had my photo taken with her. It's crazy how difficult it is to make progress improving the public sector compared with other | Sep 18 10:48 |
| amarsh04 | activities. | Sep 18 10:48 |
| amarsh04 | are you thinking of leaving your post for a few hours to be another "manic Mundie/Monday" posting? (-: | Sep 18 10:49 |
| schestowitz | Knoppix 6.7.1 with Firefox 6.0.2, LibreOffice 3.4.3 and Linux 3.0.4 Kernel Is Here http://is.gd/Pq6UYr | Sep 18 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Knoppix 6.7.1 with Firefox 6.0.2, LibreOffice 3.4.3 and Linux 3.0.4 Kernel Is Here - Softpedia .::. Size~: 47.49 KB | Sep 18 10:50 |
| amarsh04 | back in a few, testing a self-compiled stunnel4 package | Sep 18 10:51 |
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| schestowitz | 500,000-Seat GNU/Linux Deployment in Brazil http://is.gd/Y8Csqv | Sep 18 10:52 |
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| schestowitz | PlayStation 3 With Enlightenment http://is.gd/lYVTMG | Sep 18 10:57 |
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| iophk | Brazil is working with Userful which makes multi-seat system. Multi-seat is cool. | Sep 18 10:58 |
| schestowitz | Well, it's not so cool for Microsoft :-) | Sep 18 10:58 |
| iophk | More attention needs to be paid to multiseat. There are many situations where it is more appropriate than standalone boxes. | Sep 18 11:00 |
| iophk | I see lots of clusters of kiosks that just run web browsers and these would be prime candidates for multiseat. | Sep 18 11:00 |
| schestowitz | They just need more RAM | Sep 18 11:01 |
| schestowitz | IIRC 4GB is 25 quid now.. about $40 | Sep 18 11:01 |
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| iophk | "...that the open source community has no response to these gambits, even when they are based entirely on FUD and distortion." | Sep 18 11:01 |
| schestowitz | url? | Sep 18 11:04 |
| schestowitz | btw g2g in a moment | Sep 18 11:04 |
| iophk | You already have the URL: | Sep 18 11:04 |
| iophk | https://lwn.net/Articles/455972/ | Sep 18 11:04 |
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| schestowitz | ok | Sep 18 11:10 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Sep 18 11:10 |
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| iophk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiseat_configuration | Sep 18 11:36 |
| iophk | http://www.linuxtoys.org/multiseat/multiseat.html | Sep 18 11:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Multiseat configuration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 50.6 KB | Sep 18 11:36 |
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| sosman | Ah I remember TSS | Sep 18 11:50 |
| sosman | IBM 360 @ 300 baud | Sep 18 11:51 |
| iophk | TSS? | Sep 18 12:02 |
| sosman | "Time Sharing System" | Sep 18 12:05 |
| iophk | Multiseat saves power and reduces space and noise. | Sep 18 12:06 |
| iophk | An added advantage is that the hardware cannot be re-purposed to run M$ without purchasing a lot of additional hardware. | Sep 18 12:07 |
| sosman | Sounds pretty cool - if they figure out how to sort out the Kernel OOPS it could be worth trying to get my kids school interested. | Sep 18 12:07 |
| iophk | There's no special modifications needed to the kernel, only to X. | Sep 18 12:08 |
| iophk | It's the X server that needs modification | Sep 18 12:08 |
| sosman | yep | Sep 18 12:09 |
| amarsh04 | the multi-seat configuration needs a few bleeding edge testers as well | Sep 18 12:21 |
| iophk | There used to be a package for it in the Ubuntu distros | Sep 18 12:23 |
| iophk | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiseatX | Sep 18 12:23 |
| iophk | http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/multiseat | Sep 18 12:23 |
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| amarsh04 | I had to control myself just then with a bug report... a package maintainer said it was my fault for getting a bug when I was running with an earlier (but still accepted) version of a required package | Sep 18 13:04 |
| amarsh04 | if a package needs a minimum version of another package, the Debian package dependency system is the place to put it, not leave it for the users to find out when something crashes | Sep 18 13:07 |
| iophk | The package manager should do that work. | Sep 18 13:08 |
| amarsh04 | exactly, the maintainer claimed that his package required python 2.6, yet the package information said it required python >= 2.5 | Sep 18 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | hm.. identica still down? | Sep 18 15:20 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/ | Sep 18 15:20 |
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| schestowitz | no joy.., I guess I'll resume m-blogging when it's back online, I hare posting directly to twitter | Sep 18 15:20 |
| iophk | Why use Identica at all? | Sep 18 15:31 |
| schestowitz | It is valuable for networking with FOSS people and sharing news | Sep 18 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Think of it as a FOSS Ball | Sep 18 15:34 |
| iophk | ok | Sep 18 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm.. sure is interesting. The university has just offered to potentially promote me at the end of next month :-) | Sep 18 16:52 |
| iophk | Congratulations, potentially. ;) | Sep 18 16:53 |
| schestowitz | maybe by US standards I'll be called prof. :-) | Sep 18 16:54 |
| iophk | Cool. | Sep 18 16:54 |
| schestowitz | They call RAs associate prof and assistant prof | Sep 18 16:54 |
| iophk | What will the job title be_ | Sep 18 16:54 |
| iophk | ? | Sep 18 16:54 |
| schestowitz | fellow | Sep 18 16:54 |
| schestowitz | which is higher than those | Sep 18 16:54 |
| schestowitz | But it's conditional and demands more hours | Sep 18 16:55 |
| iophk | Ok. A research position. | Sep 18 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Not sure I can spare the hours | Sep 18 16:55 |
| schestowitz | I got a contract today with a client, working directly | Sep 18 16:55 |
| schestowitz | iophk: I'd take dresearch over teaching | Sep 18 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Teaching people don't like, it's tobotic and repetitive (rehearsal) | Sep 18 16:56 |
| schestowitz | It also helps publish no papers | Sep 18 16:56 |
| iophk | Teaching takes a lot hours, too. 1:9 lecture:preparation | Sep 18 16:56 |
| schestowitz | [17:00] <schestowitz> Yes, and then it rots in the brain | Sep 18 17:00 |
| schestowitz | [17:00] <schestowitz> Having to relearn it the following year | Sep 18 17:00 |
| schestowitz | [17:00] <schestowitz> or semester | Sep 18 17:00 |
| iophk | Have you been able to publish yet this year? | Sep 18 17:03 |
| schestowitz | I don't submit papers, they're an old medium | Sep 18 17:05 |
| iophk | How do you chase the tenure thing then? | Sep 18 17:05 |
| schestowitz | A newer currency is also how many companies the research can yield | Sep 18 17:05 |
| iophk | Interesting. How many spin offs have you begun (or started to begin) ? | Sep 18 17:06 |
| schestowitz | There are several around that are associated with the group | Sep 18 17:07 |
| schestowitz | But I'm not into an academic career, never was... | Sep 18 17:08 |
| iophk | Are the spinoffs dot-coms or are they legit? | Sep 18 17:08 |
| iophk | Yahoo-Bing distribute malware | Sep 18 17:19 |
| iophk | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/16/bing_yahoo_malware_ads/ | Sep 18 17:19 |
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| iophk | IIRC They're the same search engine. | Sep 18 17:19 |
| iophk | "A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace." | Sep 18 17:40 |
| iophk | http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc_sec_49_00040103----000-.html | Sep 18 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | I covered the malware news | Sep 18 17:44 |
| schestowitz | identica is still down | Sep 18 17:44 |
| schestowitz | So I try to keep out of news | Sep 18 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Looking into code in svn today | Sep 18 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Related to the research | Sep 18 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | No identica all day today | Sep 18 17:59 |
| schestowitz | hope it's back tomorrow morn | Sep 18 17:59 |
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| DaemonFC | Ubuntu managed to break xchat somehow | Sep 18 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | * Connection failed. Error: unable to get local issuer certificate.? (20) | Sep 18 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | 20 X509_V_ERR_UNABLE_TO_GET_ISSUER_CERT_LOCALLY: unable to get local issuer certificate | Sep 18 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | the issuer certificate could not be found: this occurs if the issuer certificate of an untrusted certificate cannot be found. | Sep 18 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | did something about Freenode's SSL certificate change since yesterday? | Sep 18 19:37 |
| MinceR | geekings | Sep 18 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: if I pay you $10 to go viciously murder whoever broke my xchat.... | Sep 18 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | would you be up for that? :) | Sep 18 19:40 |
| MinceR | nope | Sep 18 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | ok, this is funny | Sep 18 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | it works on chat.freenode but not irc.freenode | Sep 18 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | but why did it work fin with irc.freenode until now? | Sep 18 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | :/ | Sep 18 19:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] #sfd2011 in Lisboa, Portugal is happening right now at Flausina. Calçada dos Barbadinhos, n.º 54 | Sep 18 19:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] I'm streaming Larry Lessig and I feel great. ;) | Sep 18 19:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @schestowitz: Under management of former Microsoft employees/execs, Spring now betrays the GPL. How predictable. | Sep 18 19:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Are my posts with attachments following through? | Sep 18 19:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] of course identica shuts down on free software christmas... | Sep 18 19:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] to celebrate sfd I'll be installing and comparing 2 !faif distros: trisquel 5 and kongoni(whatever latest version is)) | Sep 18 19:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #VIDEO #PHOTO from Software Freedom Day #Arad, #Romania http://edu.moodle.ro/course/view.php?id=256 #softwarefreedomday #sfd #microsoft | Sep 18 19:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #VIDEO and #PHOTO from Software Freedom Day in #Arad, #Romania http://edu.moodle.ro/course/view.php?id=256 #sfd #softwarefreedomday | Sep 18 19:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] "!CC and !FreeSoftware movements could work a little closer together; the aims are similar" - @lessig's answer to my question #CCSummit2011 | Sep 18 19:57 | |
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| schestowitz | ah | Sep 18 19:59 |
| schestowitz | It's baaaaaaaack | Sep 18 19:59 |
| iophk | Go for it. | Sep 18 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe just a glitch in the matrix | Sep 18 20:09 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: use another irc client | Sep 18 20:09 |
| schestowitz | xchat lacks many features that konversation has | Sep 18 20:09 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: perhaps the CN of the cert is chat.freenode.net | Sep 18 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | seems like the recent openssl rebuild broke XChat's SSL abilities | Sep 18 20:10 |
| MinceR | so it checks out right with that domain name but not with the other | Sep 18 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | no, I thought it did | Sep 18 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | I changed the port to 7070 and then it changed it back because I guess I didn't hit enter hard enough :P | Sep 18 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | when I looked back it said 8000 which isn't a secure port | Sep 18 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | so oops | Sep 18 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why it doesn't break anything else I use | Sep 18 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | over the last few months I've been trying to migrate anything I can to SSL | Sep 18 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | even if it's trivial | Sep 18 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I noticed that no distribution gives Seamonkey any serious consideration | Sep 18 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | the best way to get it seems to be downloading a tarball of it and throwing it into /opt if there's other users on the machine that want to use it | Sep 18 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | or your home folder works too if it's jsut you | Sep 18 20:57 |
| DrumScum | DaemonFC: seamonkey is available in Gentoo just fine | Sep 18 21:22 |
| DrumScum | just an emerge away | Sep 18 21:22 |
| DrumScum | not in debian though, at first glance | Sep 18 21:23 |
| koolhead171 | hi guys | Sep 18 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu still has 2.0.13 | Sep 18 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | *sigh* | Sep 18 21:25 |
| schestowitz | what program? | Sep 18 21:34 |
| schestowitz | seamonkey? | Sep 18 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Sep 18 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora is at 2.0.14 iirc | Sep 18 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | neither of them seem to maintain it | Sep 18 21:35 |
| schestowitz | How many people do you think use it? I know only one, Fernando. | Sep 18 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | they package tons of things that are probably used less | Sep 18 21:44 |
| schestowitz | their gecko is out of date | Sep 18 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | whose? | Sep 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz | sm | Sep 18 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is several major releases behind | Sep 18 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | of course it's outdated | Sep 18 21:48 |
| schestowitz | ubuntu is behind yeah | Sep 18 21:48 |
| schestowitz | not just in releases | Sep 18 21:48 |
| schestowitz | it uses unity | Sep 18 21:48 |
| schestowitz | a catchup job | Sep 18 21:49 |
| schestowitz | a catchup Jobs | Sep 18 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu wants to be OSuX | Sep 18 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Instead of being GNOME | Sep 18 21:49 |
| schestowitz | So when ypu wonder why it struggles now, it figures | Sep 18 21:49 |
| schestowitz | People don;'t go to Linux for cheap OSux, they want LINNNNUX | Sep 18 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | well, they're also responsible for AMD not supporting GNOME Shell | Sep 18 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | if they used GNOME Shell, AMD would support it | Sep 18 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | this way they have an excuse not to | Sep 18 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | "Ubuntu isn't using it" | Sep 18 21:50 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Sep 18 22:05 |
| DrumScum | amd not 'supporting' gnome shell? | Sep 18 22:08 |
| DrumScum | eh? | Sep 18 22:08 |
| DrumScum | how should i interpret this? | Sep 18 22:09 |
| schestowitz | AMD "does it with Ubuntu:" :-) | Sep 18 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | DrumScum: Their FGLRX driver garbles the Shell | Sep 18 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | makes it unusable | Sep 18 22:09 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: what's this | Sep 18 22:10 |
| sebsebseb | I just joined | Sep 18 22:10 |
| DrumScum | aw, that sucks... | Sep 18 22:10 |
| DrumScum | so radeon it is then :-p | Sep 18 22:10 |
| *DrumScum rarely uses fglrx | Sep 18 22:10 | |
| sebsebseb | What's this about AMD not supporting Gnome Shell, but supporting Unity? | Sep 18 22:11 |
| DrumScum | well, i don't really get it... | Sep 18 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | because Unity is easy to support | Sep 18 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | it uses Compiz | Sep 18 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | Compiz has tons of FGLRX workarounds | Sep 18 22:12 |
| DrumScum | surely the graphics driver just has to draw whatever the program asks? | Sep 18 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | and doesn't use OpenGL 2 | Sep 18 22:12 |
| DrumScum | oh, like that | Sep 18 22:12 |
| DrumScum | the catch-up game | Sep 18 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | OpenGL 2 deprecates the use of fixed functions in favor of programmable shaders | Sep 18 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | it's why KDE 4.7 falls back to the OpenGL 1.4 backend for FGLRX | Sep 18 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | but free drivers and Nvidia get OpenGL 2 | Sep 18 22:13 |
| DrumScum | okay, that's cool for me | Sep 18 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | the nice thing about OpenGL ES 2 is that it gets rid of a lot of crap that is either deprecated in OpenGL anyway, or not all that useful for the kind of stuff "mobile" applications will need, like portable video game systems, tablets, phones, etc. | Sep 18 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | it performs better because the API is much smaller | Sep 18 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | same thing as GLIDE vs. OpenGL, kind of | Sep 18 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | the differences aren't drastic on a powerful GPU but they're noticable | Sep 18 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | same rationale too, the OpenGL API is enormous and way too bloated to implement on that kind of hardware constraint | Sep 18 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | so OpenGL ES is the light and fast version with the most useful stuff | Sep 18 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | KDE supports it for a number of reasons | Sep 18 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | mostly mobile devices and Wayland | Sep 18 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | unfortunately, I think FGLRX is too much of a mess to support OpenGL ES when it can't even cope with OpenGL a lot of the time | Sep 18 22:19 |
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| DrumScum | okay, but in the end it's not so much amd not supporting the gnome shell, but rather fglrx not supporting recent OpenGL stuff... | Sep 18 22:29 |
| DrumScum | i don't really care ei | Sep 18 22:30 |
| DrumScum | ther way | Sep 18 22:30 |
| DrumScum | on my machines with ATI/AMD grahpics hardware, i just use radeon | Sep 18 22:30 |
| DrumScum | fsck the proprietary crap that's fglrx | Sep 18 22:31 |
| DrumScum | bit of a pity really that the free drivers for ati/amd outclass the free drivers for nvidia | Sep 18 22:32 |
| DrumScum | while it's the other way around for the proprietary stuff... | Sep 18 22:33 |
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| MinceR | http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341d3df553ef0128768bd363970c-pi | Sep 18 23:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Sep 18 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/9452/snapshot6i.png | Sep 18 23:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | Sep 18 23:24 |
| MinceR | nice | Sep 18 23:24 |
| MinceR | gn | Sep 18 23:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: GIMPEd! | Sep 18 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | you can download it yourself and check | Sep 18 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Endr calls Goblin a freemason now | Sep 18 23:38 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/qubitarkhive/statuses/115554231234199552 | Sep 18 23:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @qubitarkhive: I was banned by a #freemasons son on #IRC #freenode http://t.co/KEVuPKEW #nwo #techrights #conspiracy | Sep 18 23:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Sep 18 23:39 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/qubitarkhive/statuses/115554231234199552 http://twitter.com/qubitarkhive/statuses/115501706560815105 | Sep 18 23:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @qubitarkhive: I was banned by a #freemasons son on #IRC #freenode http://t.co/KEVuPKEW #nwo #techrights #conspiracy | Sep 18 23:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Sep 18 23:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @qubitarkhive: @schestowitz I advocate overthrowing the government? LOL nice slander | Sep 18 23:40 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/qubitarkhive/statuses/115554111323246593 | Sep 18 23:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @qubitarkhive: @schestowitz Banned by a Freemasons Son http://t.co/KEVuPKEW | Sep 18 23:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Sep 18 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Time to become picky what trolls come on the show.. | Sep 18 23:41 |
| schestowitz | They troll us for attention.. | Sep 18 23:41 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/qubitarkhive/statuses/115502072442531841 | Sep 18 23:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @qubitarkhive: Roy @schestowitz the liar says I want to overthrow government, serious claims from someone with a #freemason son as an #ircop #freenode | Sep 18 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Why botyher? | Sep 18 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | did I miss something? | Sep 18 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, I knew he was a Canadian | Sep 18 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 18 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Canadians whom I know are nice | Sep 18 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Heck, a friend from Canada was in my house yesterday | Sep 18 23:43 |
| ThistleWind | so how long before he'sallowed back? | Sep 18 23:43 |
| schestowitz | He's lookigf for a job in the UK | Sep 18 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Not quite the best place to look, but there ya go.. | Sep 18 23:43 |
| schestowitz | I heard Toronto is in fact one of the most multicultural citirs now, but each group cassifies itself geographically there based on DNA | Sep 18 23:44 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWind: he wanted some drama | Sep 18 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Like daemon and s\*it | Sep 18 23:44 |
| ThistleWind | wasn't what I asked | Sep 18 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | There was a Bait Car set in Toronto a while back | Sep 18 23:45 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWind: he has been unbanned | Sep 18 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | you know, one of those reality shows where the cops leave a $50,000 car with the engine running in a poor black neighborhood | Sep 18 23:45 |
| schestowitz | I unbanned him when I saw Goblin did it partly as a joke | Sep 18 23:45 |
| ThistleWind | already allowed? why am I not surprised | Sep 18 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | and 3 minutes later, it's off | Sep 18 23:45 |
| *ThistleWind shrugs | Sep 18 23:46 | |
| schestowitz | ThistleWind: we prefer not to ban people if they can change their behaviour | Sep 18 23:46 |
| schestowitz | as DaemonFC mostly done | Sep 18 23:46 |
| ThistleWind | lol,yeah | Sep 18 23:46 |
| schestowitz | today he has posted interesting info | Sep 18 23:46 |
| ThistleWind | apologism today | Sep 18 23:46 |
| schestowitz | there's this one person in COLA, homer | Sep 18 23:46 |
| schestowitz | he's Scottish and has a short fuse for people with different opinion | Sep 18 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Even pro-Linux people if they don't agree on some things not IT-related | Sep 18 23:47 |
| ThistleWind | so being an apologist yourself, I assume you won't be playing the hypocrite in complaining about other apologists | Sep 18 23:47 |
| schestowitz | filtering by interest with a killfile rather than reading prefs | Sep 18 23:47 |
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| DaemonFC` | fuck AT&T | Sep 18 23:48 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWind: it's not being an apologist | Sep 18 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Apologist means something else | Sep 18 23:48 |
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| ThistleWind | aplogising for someones bad behaviour | Sep 18 23:48 |
| *DaemonFC` is now known as DaemonFC | Sep 18 23:48 | |
| schestowitz | it's when you make up excuse to yourself and others to defend afaith | Sep 18 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Usually not a person | Sep 18 23:48 |
| ThistleWind | not seeing it for what it is | Sep 18 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Not apologising | Sep 18 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Forgiving | Sep 18 23:49 |
| ThistleWind | ahhh that;s your chosen logic loophole huh "a person" | Sep 18 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Nore like someone who decided to dump Window | Sep 18 23:49 |
| schestowitz | And then tries Windows again | Sep 18 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Not the same as pretending Microsoft is ethical | Sep 18 23:49 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWind: you can /ignore people whose presence you don't like | Sep 18 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Rather than impose chcannel-wise ignore with a ban | Sep 18 23:50 |
| ThistleWind | it's people who willingly ignore the evidence and make excuses for them | Sep 18 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Depends on slassification | Sep 18 23:50 |
| ThistleWind | I already have ignore all 5 of his nicks, then wildcarded it after he claimed he only had 2 | Sep 18 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: entertainment for the rich white folks | Sep 18 23:50 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC has not trolled in a long time | Sep 18 23:50 |
| ThistleWind | that's true | Sep 18 23:50 |
| schestowitz | You want to punish him for something he did last year | Sep 18 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | Cadillac Escalade in a poor neighborhood | Sep 18 23:50 |
| schestowitz | taxpayers pay for it | Sep 18 23:51 |
| ThistleWind | as I've said before, it's your channel, your rules, your reputation | Sep 18 23:51 |
| schestowitz | the Sony high-def cams as well | Sep 18 23:51 |
| schestowitz | So why would the police mind? | Sep 18 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Imagine the crowd gasping, that's MY car!! | Sep 18 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | the police put it there | Sep 18 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | then when someone steals it, they're on camera | Sep 18 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | and so there's no defense | Sep 18 23:52 |
| ThistleWind | stuff like this just allows people to label you as a hypocrite using loopholes to justify why it's ok for you to complain at others, but not apply it to yourself | Sep 18 23:52 |
| schestowitz | I don't see how | Sep 18 23:52 |
| ThistleWind | no you don't | Sep 18 23:52 |
| ThistleWind | or you don't want to | Sep 18 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | instead of promoting crime, shouldn't the police be solving some of the existing crime? | Sep 18 23:52 |
| ThistleWind | doesn't change it | Sep 18 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Unless I accuse others of not banning trolls | Sep 18 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | is it just me that thinks that? | Sep 18 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Which I do wrt Ubuntu Forums | Sep 18 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Like when they get mono boosters in | Sep 18 23:53 |
| schestowitz | It's the pro-MS trolls | Sep 18 23:53 |
| schestowitz | And MS interns | Sep 18 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Who try to get more influence in Ubuntu | Sep 18 23:53 |
| ThistleWind | as I said before, if you're happy pouring a lot of work into something with a glass ceiling, that's your time to waste | Sep 18 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | seems like they have Canonical by the balls | Sep 18 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | they're basically Novell 2.0 | Sep 18 23:53 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWind: DaemonFC causes no trouble her, IMHO | Sep 18 23:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Canonical is big fish | Sep 18 23:53 |
| ThistleWind | for a while now yes, I agree | Sep 18 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | they have to kill Canonical off because Ubuntu is getting some traction | Sep 18 23:54 |
| schestowitz | If they can subvert Canonical, they harm Linux on the desktop | Sep 18 23:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: MSFT mentioned it int he SE filings | Sep 18 23:54 |
| schestowitz | But no more | Sep 18 23:54 |
| ThistleWind | since you're determined not to see the obvious, I'm wasting my time | Sep 18 23:54 |
| schestowitz | SEC | Sep 18 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | it's really the first Linux distribution that has seriously threatened consumer Windows | Sep 18 23:55 |
| schestowitz | If you used /ignore, then you needn't waste time | Sep 18 23:55 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: but Canonical needs OEM deals that Google too is taking now | Sep 18 23:55 |
| ThistleWind | has it occurred to you that this channel is much like your own COLA? | Sep 18 23:55 |
| schestowitz | So it's no longer just OS X that should worry them | Sep 18 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | I agree that Canonical stands to steal some of Microsoft's lunch, so why paint a target on themselves with Microsoft API (Mono)? | Sep 18 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft just waves some alphaware with 2013 release date, if not LATER | Sep 18 23:56 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWind: it's not at all | Sep 18 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Spend a day in OLCA | Sep 18 23:56 |
| schestowitz | unfoltered | Sep 18 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | that "developer" build wasn't very compelling | Sep 18 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Thwn reassess that statement | Sep 18 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | it's basically Windows 7 with some cosmetic surgery | Sep 18 23:56 |
| schestowitz | COLA is filled with anti-Linux bullies | Sep 18 23:56 |
| *ThistleWind expected that | Sep 18 23:56 | |
| schestowitz | We have no such people here | Sep 18 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Except maybe DrPizza when he gets vocal | Sep 18 23:57 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: optional one | Sep 18 23:57 |
| schestowitz | it's like an app for vista | Sep 18 23:57 |
| schestowitz | or unity for debian | Sep 18 23:57 |
| schestowitz | aka Ubuntu | Sep 18 23:57 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Sep 18 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: What do you make of IE 10 not supporting ActiveX at all in "immersive" mode? | Sep 18 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | ploy to attack Flash alongside Apple? | Sep 18 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | and Java for that matter | Sep 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | why wait for win8? | Sep 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Just download thw Meto shell | Sep 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Play with bugs :-) | Sep 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Like pre-1.0 unit | Sep 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Like pre-1.0 unity | Sep 18 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | people are naturally curious about things that are new and shiny | Sep 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: what about mobile devices accessing sites? | Sep 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | They don't command the Web anymore | Sep 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | They cam't | Sep 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | *can't | Sep 18 23:58 |
| schestowitz | IE9 was an attempt to catch up with a Net thatb ran away from ActievX and IE6 days | Sep 18 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft doesn't have to improve Windows, they only need to make the GUI seem new to garner interest | Sep 18 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Naa.. | Sep 18 23:59 |
| schestowitz | For news aricles | Sep 18 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Won't work though | Sep 18 23:59 |
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