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XFaCEhelloOct 09 00:24
MinceRhayOct 09 00:24
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MinceR:)Oct 09 00:26
XFaCEHey mincer, when you do a whois on me, does my IP appear?Oct 09 00:26
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_Goblinxfac: did mincer give you an answer?Oct 09 00:28
*MinceR is listening to: Slayers Gorgeous OST - Calbart-ke no rekishiOct 09 00:28
_Goblinxface: did mincer give you an answer?Oct 09 00:29
MinceRanswer to what?Oct 09 00:29
_Goblinabove^^^Oct 09 00:29
_Goblinabout IP....Oct 09 00:29
XFaCE_Goblin: I guess not :POct 09 00:29
_Goblinit doesn't btwOct 09 00:29
MinceRoh, didn't even notice the questionOct 09 00:29
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MinceRplease disable public awayOct 09 00:32
XFaCEMinceR; err, why?Oct 09 00:32
MinceRit's annoyingOct 09 00:32
XFaCEYou mean right now?Oct 09 00:32
MinceReventuallyOct 09 00:33
XFaCEOr when the default message pops up?Oct 09 00:33
MinceRi don't think i'm following youOct 09 00:33
XFaCEI'm not sure what is "annoying"Oct 09 00:33
MinceRpublic away in generalOct 09 00:33
XFaCEI ask again, why? :)Oct 09 00:33
MinceRit results in rather uninformative messages being broadcast that are not automatically distinguishable from conversation, and thus trigger activity indicatorsOct 09 00:34
XFaCEok.Oct 09 00:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] RT @x11r5 @bruce89 Well we have multiple neighbors that have no tasteOct 09 00:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Beginner linux guide | Linux Ubuntu - Linux Tutorials #gnulinux #floss #tips http://goo.gl/731sDOct 09 00:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] The Economics of the Writing Business http://bit.ly/oXiChV #publishing #writing #amwriting #MyWANAOct 09 01:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Maybe I should make Kleo a #Halloween costume - what to you think of this? http://is.gd/IgIh92 #dogsOct 09 01:20
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schestowitzhelloOct 09 01:22
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sebsebsebschestowitz: not quiteOct 09 01:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Looking forward to the Red Hat apac tech summit all this week in macau. Fedora Activity Day in Beijing Oct 15 too.Oct 09 01:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] How to lock down Linux | ZDNet #floss #tips http://goo.gl/6UltiOct 09 01:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #ArchBang Is Lightweight & Always Up To Date [Linux] #distros #gnulinux #floss http://goo.gl/f3jDLOct 09 01:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ArchBang Is Lightweight & Always Up To Date [Linux] .::. Size~: 45.3 KBOct 09 01:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] So can one, in Ubuntu Server, set a timeout in Grub in *recovery* mode? Kinda annoying when a server hangs on Grub after a power outageOct 09 01:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] My 2 terabyte WDC disk has 644 bad sectors (and has been through 42 power cycles since December)Oct 09 02:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] 197 sectors are waiting to be remapped, which is throwing the read test off, evidently...Oct 09 02:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @faither IndeedOct 09 02:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] The Emperors New Virus? - An Analysis of the Evidence for the Existence of HIV (Documentary) - YouTube #docs http://ur1.ca/5cbe1Oct 09 02:20
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XFaCEhey sebsebsebOct 09 03:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Scary Police are now ticketing drivers who honk in support of Occupy Seattle protesters http://identi.ca/url/54036653Oct 09 04:58
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amarsh04back in a few...Oct 09 05:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Obama, Steve Jobs, Larry Ellison, Eric Schmidt all walk into a bar together http://identi.ca/url/54036770 !java !googleOct 09 05:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] House bill would impose U.S. drug policy worldwide http://identi.ca/url/54036850Oct 09 05:28
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DaemonFChttp://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?56844-MLAA-For-Mesa-Is-Ready-For-Testing&p=231067#post231067Oct 09 06:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Hiding data in plain sight http://identi.ca/url/30974891Oct 09 06:22
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DaemonFChttp://quigon.bsws.de/papers/2010/bsdcan/mgp00055.htmlOct 09 06:25
DaemonFCheheOct 09 06:25
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DaemonFChttp://quigon.bsws.de/papers/2010/bsdcan/mgp00056.htmlOct 09 06:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Texas woman sues PD for forcing her to listen to Rush Limbaugh http://identi.ca/url/54037273 #policestate #terrorismOct 09 06:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @john "The Other Steve Jobs: Censorship, Control and Labor Rights" http://ur1.ca/5c4ui #apple #stevejobsOct 09 06:40
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DaemonFChttp://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-08/south-dakota-ghost-town/50705974/1?csp=34newsOct 09 07:19
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iophkhttp://boingboing.net/2011/10/08/wipo-boss-the-web-would-have-been-better-if-it-was-patented-and-its-users-had-to-pay-license-fees.htmlOct 09 09:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: WIPO boss: the Web would have been better if it was patented and its users had to pay license fees – Boing Boing .::. Size~: 25.72 KBOct 09 09:28
iophkThe web could only grow exponentially *because* it was open and not patented.  There were plenty of closed networks before the Internet and the web.  None grew to be of any noteworthy size.Oct 09 09:29
iophk"ideology over evidents"Oct 09 09:30
iophk*evidenceOct 09 09:30
schestowitzyes, I saw thatOct 09 09:31
schestowitz!google gurry techrightsOct 09 09:31
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - “Patent Law for Computer Scientists” Should be Named ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/05/10/francis-gurry-on-harmonisation/Oct 09 09:31
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - 2011 June 19 | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/06/19/Oct 09 09:31
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Cablegate: EU Negotiations About EU Patent/Community Patent ... | http://techrights.org/2011/09/17/trans-atlantic-monopolies-and-eu/Oct 09 09:31
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - 2010 May 10 | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/05/10/Oct 09 09:31
iophkAs usual, you are already on top of things before the other sites get them.Oct 09 09:31
schestowitzzoobab found it at the timeOct 09 09:33
iophkIt's hard to believe though that Gurry had the cheek to say that in front of an audience, including some from CERN.Oct 09 09:33
schestowitzIt's not the firstOct 09 09:36
iophkThe US government's petition site seems to have upped the minimum number of signatures from 5000 to 25000:Oct 09 09:36
iophkhttp://wh.gov/2rCOct 09 09:36
schestowitzI heard this beforeOct 09 09:36
TechrightsBot-trMissing content type. Ignoring.Oct 09 09:36
schestowitzAnd many articles exist about itOct 09 09:36
schestowitz!Google apple patent standard wwwOct 09 09:36
schestowitz!google apple patent standard wwwOct 09 09:36
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Apple: Samsung making 'standard-setting abuses' with patents ... | http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/08/30/apple.fights.samsung.on.patent.terms.in.lawsuit/Oct 09 09:36
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Samsung illegally wielding its RAND patents against Apple in ... | http://www.edibleapple.com/samsung-illegally-wielding-its-rand-patents-against-apple-in-attempt-to-confuse-courts-report/Oct 09 09:36
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - FOSS Patents: Samsung's attempt to ban the iPhone 4S over ... | http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/10/samsungs-attempt-to-ban-iphone-4s-over.htmlOct 09 09:36
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Apple says Samsung set a patent timebomb when the 3G standard ... | http://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-says-Samsung-set-a-patent-timebomb-when-the-3G-standard-was-created-to-demand-excessive-royalties_id22422Oct 09 09:36
schestowitz!google apple patent threat standard w3c Oct 09 09:36
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - FOSS Patents: Apple's latest patent foe: the World Wide Web ... | http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/07/apples-latest-patent-foe-world-wide-web.htmlOct 09 09:36
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - W3C seeks to invalidate Apple patents tied to HTML5 | Application ... | http://www.infoworld.com/d/application-development/w3c-chastises-apple-html5-patenting-652Oct 09 09:36
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Harm to standards and compatibility - software patents wiki (en ... | http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Harm_to_standards_and_compatibilityOct 09 09:36
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Cover Pages: Patents and Open Standards | http://xml.coverpages.org/patents.htmlOct 09 09:36
iophkA standard can't be open if it is patented unless the patents are available royalty-free permanently.Oct 09 09:38
iophkThere is a world of difference between something that costs nothing and something that costs 1 centOct 09 09:38
iophkThere was a lot of discussion of that in the late 1990'sOct 09 09:38
iophkJust the paperwork involved in the payment is enough to keep many out of a charged-for technology.Oct 09 09:39
schestowitzIt is said that timbl's www would never had taken off if he charged royalty fees to enterOct 09 09:41
Diablo-D3I agreeOct 09 09:42
iophkIt couldn't have.  Even the administrative barrirrers would have been too high.  without barriers it was able to achieve exponential growth for many years.  Scroll down to "www growth"  http://www.zakon.org/robert/internet/timeline/Oct 09 09:43
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Hobbes' Internet Timeline - the definitive ARPAnet & Internet history .::. Size~: 93.88 KBOct 09 09:43
iophkSame for InternetOct 09 09:43
iophkThere were many closed networks before the Internet and surviving into the early days of the Internet.Oct 09 09:44
iophkThe just couldn't grow.  Closed is not a model for growth.Oct 09 09:44
Diablo-D3yes, that has been scientifically provenOct 09 09:44
Diablo-D3anyone who says otherwise is a catholic republican terrorist.Oct 09 09:44
Diablo-D3and we send terrorists to gitmo where they belongOct 09 09:45
iophkhttp://www.zakon.org/robert/internet/timeline/Count_WWW-log.gifOct 09 09:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Kororaa GNU/Linux 15 in Review http://ur1.ca/5cdvcOct 09 09:48
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Das U-Blog by Prashanth: Review: Kororaa 15 "Squirt" .::. Size~: 99.57 KBOct 09 09:48
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84495150Oct 09 09:49
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 09-Oct-11 08:42:18 UTC - Identi.ca: Latest #BodhiLinux Assessed http://ur1.ca/5cduyOct 09 09:49
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Dr.  John v. Kampen - Linux dark autumn clouds - Bodhi Linux is there! .::. Size~: 37.85 KBOct 09 09:49
schestowitziophk: Kororaa  is anti-monoOct 09 09:49
schestowitzI know the lead devOct 09 09:50
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84495110Oct 09 09:50
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 09-Oct-11 08:36:35 UTC - Identi.ca: Why I failed the #Vista8 Logo Program  http://ur1.ca/5cdtaOct 09 09:50
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Mandriva Linux Chronicles: Why I failed the Windows 8 Logo Program .::. Size~: 104.79 KBOct 09 09:50
schestowitzbut then again, fedora 15 has no mono, eitherOct 09 09:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] A message from Anonymous for the 99% http://ur1.ca/5cdvj #anonymous #hacking #messageOct 09 09:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A message from Anonymous to the 99%       - YouTube .::. Size~: 100.33 KBOct 09 09:50
iophkschestowitz: good to have more enlightened peopleOct 09 09:50
schestowitzxamarin is abscureOct 09 09:51
iophknot obscure enoughOct 09 09:51
schestowitznothing in the news about itOct 09 09:51
schestowitzmaybe Microsoft will buy them or something (for the people)Oct 09 09:52
DaemonFChttp://daemonfc.wordpress.com/2011/10/09/mesa3d-and-the-art-of-slipping-proprietary-software-through-the-back-door/Oct 09 09:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mesa3d and the art of slipping proprietary software through the back door. « daemonfc .::. Size~: 41.92 KBOct 09 09:53
iophkMicrosoft does not need to buy them, they already have controlOct 09 09:54
schestowitzhttp://technonstop.com/steve-jobs-openness-compatibilityOct 09 09:55
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Steve Jobs and Openness - Compatible or Incompatible? | TechNonStop .::. Size~: 31.57 KBOct 09 09:55
schestowitzeven FOSS sites are joining the hypeOct 09 09:55
schestowitziophk: rightOct 09 09:56
schestowitzLike NovellMateOct 09 09:56
DaemonFCopen and compatible, like how libimobiledevice was a product of reverse engineering because Apple doesn't document the protocolOct 09 09:56
DaemonFCvery open :)Oct 09 09:56
iophkThe current trend suggests that maybe it was Steve who was pushing for open.  As his health failed, Apple became less open.Oct 09 09:57
DaemonFCwrongOct 09 09:58
DaemonFCthey were never openOct 09 09:58
DaemonFCcertainly not compatible, except with their own devicesOct 09 09:58
DaemonFCsometimes they supported their own devices through their own bloated software on WindowsOct 09 09:58
DaemonFCtheir software on Windows is incredibly bloatedOct 09 09:59
DaemonFCthey couldn't make native Windows software, they had to port over their Aqua GUI and everythingOct 09 09:59
iophkI considerd OS X five years ago to be fairly open and heading more in that directionOct 09 10:00
iophkAt the beginning of the company, it was really openOct 09 10:00
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84495253Oct 09 10:01
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 09-Oct-11 08:51:52 UTC - Identi.ca: "Sarah Palin ruined that" [IMG] http://ur1.ca/5cdxcOct 09 10:01
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DaemonFCthe libimobiledevice people tend to recommend BansheeOct 09 10:01
schestowitziophk: jobs was still calling the shotsOct 09 10:01
DaemonFCit works with Rhythmbox and AmarokOct 09 10:01
iophkMac before OS X was really closed, though.Oct 09 10:01
DaemonFCit still isOct 09 10:02
iophkMore so now than five years ago.  The Apps store is worrying so is iTunes.Oct 09 10:02
DaemonFCwhat exactly has changed?Oct 09 10:02
DaemonFCthey let you run Windows now?Oct 09 10:03
iophkNow system upgrades are tied to the Apps store.Oct 09 10:03
DaemonFCthat's to make it harder for OSX86Oct 09 10:04
Diablo-D3not reallyOct 09 10:04
Diablo-D3like, you know the lion upgrader?Oct 09 10:05
iophkYou have to have an account to upgrade the operating system. That means that nearly all users have an account and that way impulse shopping can occur.Oct 09 10:05
Diablo-D3I downloaded it off of tpb, mounted the dmg, mounted a dmg in that, and then made an iso image of it and booted it with a boot disc Oct 09 10:05
Diablo-D3tada, lion installOct 09 10:05
Diablo-D3no need to install snow leopard firstOct 09 10:06
DaemonFCsince Apple makes it hard for people to avoid upgrading all the time, OS X 10.6.8 will be useless in about a yearOct 09 10:06
Diablo-D3and it runs in vbox tooOct 09 10:06
DaemonFCeventually they'll just tweak Xcode to not produce binaries for itOct 09 10:06
Diablo-D3yes, Im aware of how much apple hates meOct 09 10:06
iophkBut you can't burn the image after upgrading to Lion (10.7)Oct 09 10:06
Diablo-D3yes you canOct 09 10:06
iophkHow?Oct 09 10:07
Diablo-D3dont let the installer delete the dmg.Oct 09 10:07
Diablo-D3remember, it doesnt delete it until AFTER the installOct 09 10:07
iophkThe installer deletes it automatically AFAIKOct 09 10:07
Diablo-D3you have to reboot to installOct 09 10:07
Diablo-D3the installer actually repartitions your drive and puts a dvd installer at the end of your drive, and then unpartitions it on exitOct 09 10:08
Diablo-D3so its all just a normal dvd installer, just like normal retail osx discsOct 09 10:08
iophkCool.  I wondered how it was done.Oct 09 10:08
Diablo-D3so thats why theres a dmg in the dmgOct 09 10:08
Diablo-D3the outer dmg is the "installer" which just puts the inner dmg onto your drive and tells the osx bootloader to boot that instead on rebootOct 09 10:08
DaemonFCso the official thing to do is install 10.6 if you need to reinstallOct 09 10:08
DaemonFCand then download 4 GB of Lion all over a gainOct 09 10:09
DaemonFCand wait hours for it to install, againOct 09 10:09
iophkIMHO physical media are better to haveOct 09 10:09
Diablo-D3they sell it on USB now too, btwOct 09 10:09
iophkIt will become more difficult as optical drives disappear from more productsOct 09 10:09
Diablo-D3^Oct 09 10:09
Diablo-D3future macs will also be able to reinstall over the internet automatically tooOct 09 10:10
Diablo-D3at least, thats whats strongly rumoredOct 09 10:10
schestowitzsounds like malwareOct 09 10:10
Diablo-D3schestowitz: not reallyOct 09 10:10
Diablo-D3its no different than netbootingOct 09 10:10
schestowitzsrlyOct 09 10:10
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84495318  http://identi.ca/notice/84495357Oct 09 10:11
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 09-Oct-11 08:58:51 UTC - Identi.ca: #NextBook Tablet RUns Linux/Android http://ur1.ca/5cdybOct 09 10:11
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Sixth and most powerful E-Fun NextBook tablet surfaces - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 56.52 KBOct 09 10:11
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 09-Oct-11 09:01:07 UTC - Identi.ca: #iSign Goes With #Linux for Access Point http://ur1.ca/5cdz6Oct 09 10:11
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Linux-based access point uses Wi-Fi and Bluetooth for proximity marketing  - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 54.77 KBOct 09 10:11
schestowitzLinux still everywhere, not always on desktops thoughOct 09 10:11
iophkIt needs to crack the OEM monopoly to get onto the desktop or even onto netbooks.Oct 09 10:12
schestowitzSerious business in Sutor's blog http://www.sutor.com/c/2011/10/10-tips-for-raking-leaves-and-other-things/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BobSutor+%28Bob+Sutor%29Oct 09 10:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 10 tips for raking leaves and other things | Blog | Bob Sutor .::. Size~: 50.59 KBOct 09 10:12
DaemonFChttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/09/MND11LEDG1.DTLOct 09 10:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Jerry Brown signs Dream Act for illegal immigrants .::. Size~: 115.98 KBOct 09 10:14
Diablo-D3I mean hell, gpxe can load boot images off of standard http serversOct 09 10:15
DaemonFChttp://www.southbendtribune.com/sbt-clinton-obama-indiana-primary-petitions-tainted-by-forged-signatures-20111008,0,5256367.storyOct 09 10:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: False signatures confirmed in 2008 Indiana Democratic Primary placing Obama and Clinton on ballot - southbendtribune.com .::. Size~: 174.38 KBOct 09 10:17
DaemonFChttp://www.space.com/13211-apollo-astronaut-moon-camera-lawsuit-update.htmlOct 09 10:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Judge Denies Astronaut's Motion to Dismiss Moon Camera Lawsuit | Space.com .::. Size~: 38.19 KBOct 09 10:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Music Copyright Police Ruin Artists’ Gigs (and Coconut Curry) http://goo.gl/LGmqIOct 09 10:22
TechrightsBot-tr@: Oct 09 10:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] GNU to Apple [IMG] http://ur1.ca/5ce4yOct 09 10:28
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84495552Oct 09 10:29
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 09-Oct-11 09:21:21 UTC - Identi.ca: $ZorinOS in Review (Ubuntu-based) http://ur1.ca/5ce4cOct 09 10:29
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Zorin OS: Promising, but Still Typically Linux - The Tech-FAQ .::. Size~: 46.61 KBOct 09 10:29
schestowitzDr. Dobbs has openlogic ad http://drdobbs.com/open-source/231700027Oct 09 10:30
schestowitzThe fustersOct 09 10:30
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schestowitz*fudstersOct 09 10:30
schestowitzat least they have a decent portal for foss news, to bring people to their anti-gpl wareOct 09 10:31
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schestowitzhttp://www.marketwatch.com/story/chris-mac-mcglynn-joins-qvidian-as-director-of-quality-2011-09-19Oct 09 10:38
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schestowitzyou can call him "amc"Oct 09 10:38
schestowitz"mac"Oct 09 10:38
schestowitzattachmateOct 09 10:39
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84495616Oct 09 10:39
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 09-Oct-11 09:29:59 UTC - Identi.ca: #RedHat Makes Billions With #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/5ce65Oct 09 10:39
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DaemonFChe's a shill for American Movie Classics?Oct 09 10:46
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 10:46
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84495690Oct 09 10:47
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 09-Oct-11 09:39:35 UTC - Identi.ca: The Economics of the Writing Business – Updated http://ur1.ca/5ce7d #copyrightOct 09 10:47
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schestowitzDaemonFC: I think he's a producer of sorts. Who do you mean though? I'm thinking of WayneOct 09 10:47
DaemonFCyou said call him amcOct 09 10:48
schestowitzohOct 09 10:48
schestowitzwe have the AMC hereOct 09 10:48
schestowitzhis nickname is mac, which isn't the seeme as it used to beOct 09 10:48
schestowitzimagine him using WindwsOct 09 10:48
schestowitz"Mac uses Windows"Oct 09 10:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Google #NexusPrime Video Leaked, Coming Next Week http://ur1.ca/5ce8t #android #linuxOct 09 10:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Windows reboots everyday... to pay their tribute to Steve Jobs." http://ur1.ca/5cdndOct 09 10:53
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84495753Oct 09 10:54
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 09-Oct-11 09:44:55 UTC - Identi.ca: Preparing for $10 Android Tablets http://ur1.ca/5ce86 #linuxOct 09 10:54
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DaemonFCI noticed Trash 11 is cuaing problems for most non-Firefox browsersOct 09 10:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Apple Tries To #Patent 3rd Party In-App Purchasing http://goo.gl/yC1Kp - more "innovation" hard at workOct 09 10:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Mozilla attempts and abandons #Firefox 3.6 upgrade http://is.gd/c7wjBE prying from one's dead hands?Oct 09 10:57
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DaemonFCcompanies like to use obsolete softwareOct 09 10:57
DaemonFCpreferably Microsoft'sOct 09 10:57
schestowitzhehOct 09 10:58
schestowitzobsolete companies tooOct 09 10:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] the last !sailing trip this year probably, on the Gdańsk Bay and around Hel Peninsula. fair if a bit rough weather. s/y Wars is a beauty!Oct 09 10:58
DaemonFCschestowitz: one place I was working at was using NT 4 Workstation and ServerOct 09 11:00
DaemonFCin 2007Oct 09 11:00
schestowitzMaybe it was expensive to upgradeOct 09 11:02
schestowitzLinux does not have this problemOct 09 11:02
DaemonFCold computers tooOct 09 11:03
schestowitzIIRC Munich extended some win2k licences to last while migrating everything to DebianOct 09 11:03
iophkDebian is easy to maintainOct 09 11:03
schestowitzDaemonFC: senior computers, not old computers :-)Oct 09 11:03
schestowitziophk: they make their own derivOct 09 11:04
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84495848Oct 09 11:04
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 09-Oct-11 09:54:51 UTC - Identi.ca: Android 4.0 Launch Canceled, To Honor Steve Jobs http://ur1.ca/5ce9s Android 4S maybe?Oct 09 11:04
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schestowitzis this true?Oct 09 11:04
schestowitzsounds like speculationOct 09 11:04
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84495858Oct 09 11:04
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 09-Oct-11 09:56:07 UTC - Identi.ca: Why Richard M Stallman Is Right About Steve Jobs http://ur1.ca/5c6ir lying about @rms by omissionOct 09 11:04
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schestowitzSJVN makes it seem like he's happy about a death http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/free-software-founder-richard-m-stallman-is-glad-jobs-is-gone/9707Oct 09 11:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Free software founder, Richard M. Stallman is glad Jobs is gone | ZDNet .::. Size~: 119.99 KBOct 09 11:05
schestowitzHe omits the part where RMS clearly says repeatedly he is not happy about the deathOct 09 11:05
schestowitzsome even attributed to him something that here merely quoted a mayor as sayingOct 09 11:05
schestowitztypical hack jobs vs rmsOct 09 11:06
DaemonFCschestowitz: Like how the register calls bittorrent users freetardsOct 09 11:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Way to go neighbour! Malaysia Boleh! http://ur1.ca/5cebuOct 09 11:07
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schestowitzDiablo-D3: probably the influence of the Orlowski trollOct 09 11:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Reading dishonets headlines, one gets the false impression @rms was happy about a death. He said the very opposite. Twice.Oct 09 11:08
iophkAgain, the problem is of bait headlines.Oct 09 11:09
DaemonFCfreetard bittorrent usersOct 09 11:09
DaemonFCand wake up linux hippiesOct 09 11:09
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 11:09
DaemonFC-The RegisterOct 09 11:09
schestowitznot just their headlinesOct 09 11:10
schestowitzthe reg is more of a tabloid than beforeOct 09 11:10
schestowitzIT tabloid, a bit more like The INQOct 09 11:10
DaemonFCno bat boy articles yetOct 09 11:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @schestowitz: Reading dishonets headlines, one gets the false impression @rms was happy about a death. He said the very opposite. Twice.Oct 09 11:10
schestowitzI thought the INQ distinguished itself from the Reg by being comical and trollish... same guy founded both (Mark McGee IIRC)Oct 09 11:10
schestowitzMike maybeOct 09 11:10
schestowitzMacGee?Oct 09 11:11
DaemonFCBat Boy found in caveOct 09 11:11
DaemonFCthrows chairsOct 09 11:11
MinceRthey'll bend over backwards to smear RMSOct 09 11:11
DaemonFCscreams about developersOct 09 11:11
schestowitzDaemonFC: chairs in a cave?Oct 09 11:11
DaemonFCyeahOct 09 11:11
schestowitzwhat is it, al qaeda base/Oct 09 11:11
MinceReven though he would have been more right if he'd said that jobs deserved to dieOct 09 11:11
schestowitzthe mythical one?Oct 09 11:11
schestowitzMinceR: I don't think so Oct 09 11:12
schestowitzNeigher did heOct 09 11:12
schestowitzAnd not just cause it's not PC to sayOct 09 11:12
schestowitzJobs was not all *that* badOct 09 11:12
DaemonFCIt's not Osama Bin LadenOct 09 11:12
MinceRyes he wasOct 09 11:12
schestowitzCheney on the other hand...Oct 09 11:12
DaemonFCit's a guy that sold phones for idiotsOct 09 11:12
schestowitzIcahn...Oct 09 11:12
schestowitzMyhrvold..Oct 09 11:12
DaemonFCglad he's gone is appropriate Oct 09 11:12
MinceRyes, we'd be better off without those guys tooOct 09 11:12
iophkOn, RMS, even Steve Jobs said it himself:  "Death is life's change agent."Oct 09 11:12
iophkhttp://www.freep.com/article/20111005/NEWS09/111005055/In-speech-Steve-Jobs-tells-students-death-life-s-change-agent-Oct 09 11:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: In speech, Steve Jobs tells students death is 'life's change agent' | Detroit Free Press | freep.com .::. Size~: 112.25 KBOct 09 11:12
schestowitzBlankfein..Oct 09 11:12
MinceRit's not like there's a scarcity of people on the planet that would make us desperate to have these people aroundOct 09 11:13
iophkHe emphasized that it clears out the old to make way for the new.Oct 09 11:13
schestowitziophk: seems like PR to meOct 09 11:14
schestowitza while ago I was getting emails from someone who knew gatesOct 09 11:14
schestowitzhe wanted Jobs to dieOct 09 11:14
MinceRgates wanted jobs to die, the sender of the emails wanted jobs to die, or both?Oct 09 11:14
schestowitzBecause he said that despite the death looming, Jobs was a merciless personOct 09 11:14
schestowitzApparently not nice in personOct 09 11:14
schestowitzDespite having been on the edgeOct 09 11:14
MinceRhe was worse than thatOct 09 11:15
DaemonFCjust because Jobs is gone doesn't mean Apple will get any betterOct 09 11:15
MinceRhe actively campaigned to take our freedom away, all over the planetOct 09 11:15
schestowitztrueOct 09 11:15
schestowitzbut him being good is an agent for changeOct 09 11:15
MinceRand that's why he deserves no respectOct 09 11:15
schestowitzmaybe apple will changeOct 09 11:15
MinceRhe was also a hypocriteOct 09 11:15
schestowitz:"Gone" not as in deadOct 09 11:15
schestowitzjust gone from AppleOct 09 11:16
MinceRyes, hopefully apple will wither and dieOct 09 11:16
iophkIt's too big to die slowly and cleanlyOct 09 11:16
DaemonFCMinceR: They need to invite that Pepsi guy back to be their CEO againOct 09 11:16
iophkIt's better if it turns aroundOct 09 11:16
DaemonFCat that point they have 5 years, topsOct 09 11:16
schestowitziophk: won't ahppen, shareholders won'\t allow itOct 09 11:16
MinceRiophk: evil is ingrained in their corporate cultureOct 09 11:16
MinceRalso, they're publicly tradedOct 09 11:16
iophkor bring in a Microsoft exec.  Oct 09 11:16
schestowitzappl needs to fail a bit nowOct 09 11:16
schestowitzAnd lose market to othersOct 09 11:17
schestowitzlike Android to begin withOct 09 11:17
schestowitzideally gnu/linux, not androidOct 09 11:17
iophkiPhone 5 might be that opportunity for othes.Oct 09 11:17
DaemonFCI don't get what schestowitz has against sodaOct 09 11:17
DaemonFCother than people not having any self controlOct 09 11:17
DaemonFCand weighing 400 pounds due to itOct 09 11:17
schestowitzsoda is coolOct 09 11:17
schestowitzwater Oct 09 11:17
schestowitzcarbonOct 09 11:17
schestowitzyou mean sugared waterOct 09 11:18
MinceRoxygenOct 09 11:18
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DaemonFCryan@ryan-MS-7501:~$ cat /etc/lsb-release Oct 09 11:18
DaemonFCDISTRIB_ID=UbuntuOct 09 11:18
DaemonFCDISTRIB_RELEASE=11.10Oct 09 11:18
DaemonFCDISTRIB_CODENAME=oneiricOct 09 11:18
schestowitzgh2oOct 09 11:18
DaemonFCDISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 11.10"Oct 09 11:18
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DaemonFCUbuntu Oneiric reports itself as the final build nowOct 09 11:18
schestowitzMinceR: carbonOct 09 11:19
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonated_waterOct 09 11:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Carbonated water - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 59.71 KBOct 09 11:19
koolhead17hi allOct 09 11:19
DaemonFCyou know, I do drink club soda now and thenOct 09 11:19
DaemonFCI like itOct 09 11:19
schestowitz" water into which carbon dioxide gas under pressure has been dissolved, a process that causes the water to become effervescent."Oct 09 11:19
MinceRschestowitz: "Carbonated water (also known as club soda, soda water, sparkling water, seltzer, or fizzy water) is water into which carbon dioxide gas under pressure has been dissolved"Oct 09 11:19
koolhead17schestowitz can we have a next videocast clearing the air on RMS comment?Oct 09 11:19
schestowitzsureOct 09 11:20
DaemonFCMinceR: club soda with lemon or lime is niceOct 09 11:20
MinceRi don't know that oneOct 09 11:20
schestowitzkoolhead17: not sure we'll record this weekend, tim has just had a baby (his wife did)Oct 09 11:20
koolhead17hmmOct 09 11:20
koolhead17schestowitz week keep it in priorityOct 09 11:21
koolhead17the fud masters making noise all acrossOct 09 11:21
koolhead17they have forgotten this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqUOct 09 11:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Steve Jobs: Good artists copy great artists steal       - YouTube .::. Size~: 90.66 KBOct 09 11:23
MinceRthey also couldn't be bothered to study historyOct 09 11:23
schestowitzMore fanboyism in Linux sites http://deviceguru.com/rip-steve-jobs/Oct 09 11:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: DeviceGuru   » RIP Steve Jobs — photos from his street corner .::. Size~: 42.5 KBOct 09 11:24
schestowitzmany people died that day and didn't get much loveOct 09 11:24
koolhead17i even heard jobs died week ago news was kept on hold because 4S had to be launcedOct 09 11:24
koolhead17:POct 09 11:24
schestowitzmaybe they put it on the iceOct 09 11:25
schestowitzNot the iPhone 4SOct 09 11:25
schestowitzSteveOct 09 11:25
schestowitzsorry, morbid remark..Oct 09 11:26
koolhead17hmmOct 09 11:26
koolhead17:DOct 09 11:26
schestowitzProducts come fist at AppleOct 09 11:26
schestowitz*firstOct 09 11:26
schestowitzIn the short term Apple\s sales are likely to go up as a result of the Steve Media BlitzOct 09 11:27
schestowitz"Buy Apple, support poor dead person"Oct 09 11:28
koolhead17indeedOct 09 11:29
koolhead17totally agreeOct 09 11:29
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2011/10/07/steve-jobs/#commentsOct 09 11:29
schestowitz"Again you deny that the entire hardware and software industry has manage to advance despite both steve 'big jobbie' (i.e. piece of shit) jobsian jobs, and bill 'fuckwit' gates.  Well, each to his own I suppose."Oct 09 11:29
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schestowitz"Celebrities - my arse, just because some idiot wants to talk about some other meaninless piece of shit hardly makes them a celebrity."Oct 09 11:29
schestowitz"you're the one that said steve 'big jobbie' jobsian jobs was the inspiration for cups, webkit, and all the rest, not me."Oct 09 11:30
schestowitz"He was a greedy, nasty piece of work."Oct 09 11:30
koolhead17:POct 09 11:30
schestowitz"And now he's dead just like eveyone else will be one day."Oct 09 11:30
schestowitz"Fan-bloody-tastic is all i have to say, the hens always come to roost.  Eventually."Oct 09 11:30
MinceRgood to see not everyone is misguided about that assholeOct 09 11:31
koolhead17i mean am really pissed off to see certain FOSS folks talking senseless and telling what RMS said is wrongOct 09 11:33
koolhead17i wish they would have read everything what he wrote properlyOct 09 11:33
iophkMany intentionally misinterpret RMS.  This is not the first time it's been done.Oct 09 11:35
koolhead17iophk: they love doing it and making RMS angryOct 09 11:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @rpcutts: @sandersch what? Are we not all working from GMT? Scandalous.Oct 09 11:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @jargon: @schestowitz sadly,the truth is irrelevant. people believe what they want to believe.Oct 09 11:37
Diablo-D3I want to believe!Oct 09 11:37
*Diablo-D3 gets hit with a streetlampOct 09 11:37
iophkkoolhead17: yes, since RMS' message is so important, they attack himOct 09 11:38
iophkThere are now rather few out there with the same message.  Roy is, and that's part of the reason he is targeted, too.Oct 09 11:39
schestowitztoday I got defamd againOct 09 11:39
Diablo-D3iophk: btw noOct 09 11:39
Diablo-D3I read RMS's statementOct 09 11:39
Diablo-D3I didnt like it.Oct 09 11:39
schestowitzI mean proper defamation, fake messages with my name tooOct 09 11:39
Diablo-D3So its not anyone telling me what to think, no one does that.Oct 09 11:39
schestowitzand I got a threat last weekOct 09 11:39
Diablo-D3Its just that RMS is an aspie through and throughOct 09 11:40
schestowitzHaven't gotten those for a while nowOct 09 11:40
Diablo-D3thats just the way he isOct 09 11:40
koolhead17schestowitz who was threatning youOct 09 11:40
Diablo-D3so I largely ignore himOct 09 11:40
koolhead17:DOct 09 11:40
DaemonFCas in ass burgers?Oct 09 11:40
schestowitzkoolhead17: one of my stalkersOct 09 11:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] For many people who stand up for truth and not misdirection supported by corporate press, the gloves come off now.Oct 09 11:40
*Diablo-D3 stalks schestowitzOct 09 11:40
*Diablo-D3 stalks schestowitz's fridge insteadOct 09 11:40
schestowitzit doesn't have much that's interesting in itOct 09 11:41
koolhead17Diablo-D3: :POct 09 11:41
*Diablo-D3 stalks his own fridge insteadOct 09 11:41
schestowitzmayo, eggs, butter, milk., beerl..Oct 09 11:41
Diablo-D3ooh, leftovers!Oct 09 11:41
schestowitzno, I have a strict dietOct 09 11:42
schestowitzso my fridge has no foods that are luxurious, intentionallyOct 09 11:42
schestowitzthe beer is for occasions when friends come aroundOct 09 11:42
Diablo-D3heh, if I had a strict diet... I would weigh much less :<Oct 09 11:42
koolhead17:)Oct 09 11:42
koolhead17beer!!Oct 09 11:42
schestowitzI aactually have two fridgesOct 09 11:42
Diablo-D3one for beer exclusively?Oct 09 11:43
schestowitzone I leave off the hook, I don't have use for it at the momentOct 09 11:43
schestowitzBTW, food prices are increasing here nowOct 09 11:43
schestowitzJust as many predictedOct 09 11:43
Diablo-D3predicted?Oct 09 11:43
Diablo-D3dudeOct 09 11:43
Diablo-D3food prices have been going up for the last 4 yearsOct 09 11:43
Diablo-D3where the fuck have you beenOct 09 11:43
schestowitzA friend and I spoke about what the value will be in buying like half a ton of strategic foods and stocking theseOct 09 11:44
schestowitzit can be fitted into the carOct 09 11:44
schestowitzDiablo-D3: but not so sharplyOct 09 11:44
Diablo-D3its been hereOct 09 11:44
schestowitztranspiration costs relate to thisOct 09 11:45
schestowitzEnergy prices tooOct 09 11:45
schestowitzGoing higher here, much higherOct 09 11:45
schestowitzNot many people talk about it,  but usually it's only when prices of particular food soar that people are up in armsOct 09 11:45
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schestowitziophk: good commentOct 09 11:46
schestowitzWait until; that happensOct 09 11:46
schestowitzThe #1 media whore will outdo any death beforeOct 09 11:46
schestowitzEven Princess Diana and Michael JacksonOct 09 11:46
schestowitzMaybe they'll spend $30bn on post-death hype :-)Oct 09 11:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Neat ! Changed the boot animation on the Nexus One to this - http://ur1.ca/5cell... http://b1t.it/GIqOct 09 11:47
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schestowitztrickled 1 billion a year, for 30 yearsOct 09 11:47
Diablo-D3so famous people dying is good for the economyOct 09 11:47
schestowitzNoOct 09 11:47
schestowitzGood for oligarchyOct 09 11:47
schestowitzIt reminds us how worthless we areOct 09 11:47
schestowitzAnd how we should admire super-rich peopleOct 09 11:47
Diablo-D3thats the ironyOct 09 11:47
Diablo-D3since we are all created equalOct 09 11:48
schestowitzBecause they are just so darn wonderfulOct 09 11:48
Diablo-D3the more they prove we are worthless, the more they do to themselvesOct 09 11:48
schestowitzTo some it shows that the rich are also fragile, in which case we view them as mortal and as peers, even while they pillage and plunderOct 09 11:48
Diablo-D3they are more fragile.Oct 09 11:48
Diablo-D3what can do you do a poor person? take away their money? bwhahaahah.Oct 09 11:49
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84496134Oct 09 11:49
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 09-Oct-11 10:23:06 UTC - Identi.ca: Steve Jobs: Good artists copy great artists steal http://ur1.ca/ozjy stealing thundersOct 09 11:49
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schestowitzDiablo-D3: megOct 09 11:49
schestowitzmehOct 09 11:49
Diablo-D3rich people, silly dumb peopleOct 09 11:50
Diablo-D3they have nothing to offer meOct 09 11:50
iophkMotto of the 1990's : "steal with pride"Oct 09 11:50
Diablo-D3I don't have time for subhumans.Oct 09 11:50
Diablo-D3Poor imitations of the speciesOct 09 11:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Piękno Ciszy Wyborczej w Polsce: rys.io/pl/38 | The Beauty of Election Silence in Poland: rys.io/en/38 !polska #wybory2011 #wyboryOct 09 11:50
MinceRmost of the species is like thatOct 09 11:51
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koolhead17schestowitz you never knew that jobs used to steal :)Oct 09 11:57
schestowitzI did, I wrote about itOct 09 11:58
DaemonFCat this point, it's not really proper to accuse any GUI of stealingOct 09 11:58
schestowitz!google steve jobs dtealingOct 09 11:58
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - The Posthumous Looting (and stealing) from Steve Jobs - alt ... | http://groups.google.com/group/alt.obituaries/browse_thread/thread/52683468fd02aa5eOct 09 11:58
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Steve Jobs - Wikiquote | http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Steve_JobsOct 09 11:58
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Steve Jobs: Good artists copy great artists steal - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DCW0DUg63lqUOct 09 11:58
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Samsung Accuses Steve Jobs Of Stealing Ideas For iPad, iPhone ... | http://www.uproxx.com/technology/2011/08/samsung-accuses-steve-jobs-of-stealing-ideas-for-ipad-iphone-from-stanley-kubrick/Oct 09 11:58
DaemonFCif a GUI concept is worth doing, it has probably already been doneOct 09 11:58
schestowitzThis new one is ruined by a pile of rubbish of Gates PR http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRc9qkhVQQs&feature=digest_refresh_satOct 09 11:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ATHEISM is a HOAX?       - YouTube .::. Size~: 105.25 KBOct 09 11:59
DaemonFCthough they still allow patents on this kind of stuff which is ridiculous Oct 09 11:59
schestowitzPlaying along with the Gates myth :/Oct 09 11:59
MinceRall the important parts were invented by Engelbart anywayOct 09 12:00
DaemonFCI liked Stallman's example of software patentsOct 09 12:00
MinceRand perhaps by the Smalltalk developersOct 09 12:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Miniconf announcement: Availability aims high @linuxconfau bit.ly/n88s80 CfP now open.Oct 09 12:00
MinceReverything else are just incremental improvements on the ideaOct 09 12:00
DaemonFCwhat would we do if they allowed musical notes or common food spices to be patented?Oct 09 12:00
DaemonFCthe more of them that are out there, the harder they are to avoid while making something anyone wantsOct 09 12:01
*MinceR patents oxygen moleculesOct 09 12:01
MinceRpay or suffocate!Oct 09 12:01
DaemonFCMinceR: Did you notice my comments on Jimenez's MLAA?Oct 09 12:02
MinceRnoOct 09 12:02
DaemonFChttps://daemonfc.wordpress.com/2011/10/09/mesa3d-and-the-art-of-slipping-proprietary-software-through-the-back-door/Oct 09 12:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mesa3d and the art of slipping proprietary software through the back door. « daemonfc .::. Size~: 42.53 KBOct 09 12:02
DaemonFCI'm wondering if I am going to far in calling this nonfree, I don't think I amOct 09 12:03
DaemonFCbut it's several thousand lines of code under a license that says only Mesa can use itOct 09 12:03
MinceRcould be riskyOct 09 12:03
MinceRbut at least you can just turn it off and stuff keeps workingOct 09 12:03
MinceRunlike monoOct 09 12:04
MinceRwhich some applications already depend onOct 09 12:04
iophkhttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article1862524.eceOct 09 12:05
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MinceRwould probably be safer as a separate packageOct 09 12:05
iophkMono dependency is a bad problem that Ubuntu needs to address.Oct 09 12:05
MinceRiophk: lolOct 09 12:06
MinceR@ patenting yogaOct 09 12:06
DaemonFCMinceR: S3TC and float textures are not as risky as importing features Microsoft wrote for DirectXOct 09 12:06
DaemonFCunder a nonfree licenseOct 09 12:06
DaemonFCI've played around with their MLAA, and they're right that it is very fast, because it makes everything look smudgyOct 09 12:07
DaemonFCI don't think it's worth having just because it doesn't bring a lot of value even if it was free and unencumbered Oct 09 12:07
MinceRso it's like mono? :>Oct 09 12:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 9/10/2011: Kororaa 15 “Squirt”, Android 4.0 Expected Soon http://is.gd/iD5lUf #techrightsOct 09 12:08
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DaemonFCwell, no anti-aliasing and MLAA is a choice between maybe a little jagged and no CPU overhead vs. some CPU overhead to make everything look smudgyOct 09 12:09
DaemonFCso I'm not sure one is really better than the otherOct 09 12:09
MinceRis MLAA just blurring the image after it's been rendered?Oct 09 12:10
DaemonFCyes, it is a post-processing blur filterOct 09 12:10
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 12:10
MinceRwho the hell thinks that's a good idea?Oct 09 12:10
DaemonFCI don'tOct 09 12:10
MinceRthey must have been absent when they taught antialiasing at schoolOct 09 12:10
DaemonFCfake antialiasing to make DirectX seem fasterOct 09 12:11
DaemonFCis what I would call thisOct 09 12:11
MinceRhell, i could run my LCD under its native resolution and call it "hardware MLAA"Oct 09 12:13
MinceRtake that, microsoft!Oct 09 12:13
DaemonFCno fair!Oct 09 12:14
DaemonFCpay Ballmer now!Oct 09 12:14
DaemonFCBallmer smash!Oct 09 12:14
DaemonFCBallmer SMAAAAASH!!!Oct 09 12:14
DaemonFCwhy do they have a CEO who makes bad business decisions, a bad temper, and who looks like a proto-human?Oct 09 12:15
Diablo-D3mno, thats not very morphologicalOct 09 12:15
DaemonFC*has a bad temperOct 09 12:15
Diablo-D3and its kinda stupid anyhowOct 09 12:15
DaemonFCMinceR: I was reading a Stephen Sinofsky blog post about Vista 8 and memory usage Oct 09 12:16
DaemonFCit seems that they finally have NIH'd their very own event driven initOct 09 12:16
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 12:16
DaemonFCVista 7 kind of had this but it only took care of not running the most bloated Vista services all the timeOct 09 12:16
DaemonFCthey just seem to be going further with that Oct 09 12:17
MinceRi don't see what's "morphological" about blindly throwing a blur filter at an imageOct 09 12:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] zero sum gameOct 09 12:22
DaemonFCMinceR: Something else that's funnyOct 09 12:22
DaemonFCThat Bluetack place that makes those ip filter lists for p2p programsOct 09 12:22
DaemonFCthey have a Windows program to make or merge lists written in Visual BasicOct 09 12:22
DaemonFCbut sort did everything I neededOct 09 12:23
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 12:23
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw4s6QoeSak&NR=1Oct 09 12:23
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DaemonFCI saw an article the other day that said Microsoft is planning to get rid of VB.NET by merging it into C#Oct 09 12:24
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw4s6QoeSak&NR=1Oct 09 12:24
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MinceRthey could just rename VB.NET to C#Oct 09 12:25
DaemonFCI'm sure when it happens, Miguel de Icaza will be doing cartwheels on Planet GNOMEOct 09 12:25
DaemonFCscreaming about how ZOMG wonderful BBC#.NET isOct 09 12:25
DaemonFC*VBCOct 09 12:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] The Bush administration knowingly destroyed irreplaceable historical artifacts and sites http://identi.ca/url/54039435Oct 09 12:25
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schestowitzkoolhead17: http://twitter.com/madcap_loon/statuses/122984798284292096Oct 09 12:25
TechrightsBot-tr@madcap_loon: RT @schestowitz Steve Jobs: Good artists copy great artists steal http://t.co/JwRFHW27 <-- did he say Apple heavily steals? Whoa, didnt knowOct 09 12:25
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DaemonFCthey literally sit up at night wondering how they could make their products worseOct 09 12:26
DaemonFCdon't they?Oct 09 12:26
schestowitzTHey just worry about OEMsOct 09 12:26
schestowitzor choiceOct 09 12:26
schestowitzthey need to foit their crpaOct 09 12:26
schestowitzanyway, gotta get goingOct 09 12:27
koolhead17schestowitz haha. i know that guy too :)Oct 09 12:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wikileaks Bring Winds of Change, even to Rural Zimbabwe | Sokwanele http://t.co/SMc3PMn2Oct 09 12:58
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koolhead17schestowitz http://twitter.com/#!/hiddenharmony/status/123001835350011905Oct 09 13:10
TechrightsBot-tr@hiddenharmony: If Stallman had a billion dollars of assets with him, no one would have found his comments absurd...Oct 09 13:10
koolhead17:)Oct 09 13:10
DaemonFC[08:08] <DaemonFC> for a moment I was scratching my head at all the OS X work being planned for Wine, then I remembered they have Crossover on OS XOct 09 13:12
DaemonFC[08:08] <DaemonFC> I think that if an OS X user went to use Wine, they'd give upOct 09 13:13
DaemonFC[08:08] <DaemonFC> I Know there are ports trees for OS X but come on, really.... really? :)Oct 09 13:13
DaemonFCput that in another room by mistakeOct 09 13:13
DaemonFCbut, I think the most likely thing they'll do is go buy Windows like Apple tells them toOct 09 13:13
DaemonFCbut they must make some money on Crossover for OS X or they wouldn't have itOct 09 13:13
DaemonFCI just struggle to think of an OS X user that would use itOct 09 13:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks Central Occupy Wall Street coverage http://t.co/YO6Yw8Qm #occupywallstOct 09 13:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Eric #Raymond Defends #Stallman Over #Jobs Remarks - Slashdot - http://goo.gl/uxcclOct 09 13:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Video of journalists & politicians calling for the assassination of Julian Assange http://t.co/zi3UnxAVOct 09 13:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] B&N Yanks DC Titles After Exclusive #Amazon Deal - Slashdot #books #FAIL #dirtytricks http://goo.gl/lC3WNOct 09 13:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Finding !gnu #Octave real usefulOct 09 14:05
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DaemonFChttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/10/09/0639255/un-bigwig-the-web-should-have-been-patented-and-licensedOct 09 14:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks lecture: Our Impact on Journalism and Government http://t.co/wGw6ffwXOct 09 14:25
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_Goblinschestowitz: I should be available tonight for a recording, after 7pm though probably.Oct 09 14:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[faither/@faither] How do I get my running instance of #klipper to function again? Works for new/different user(s), deleting configs doesn't help. !kdeOct 09 14:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] A must have purchase for Windows Phone 7 developers: http://goo.gl/iVv9S #wp7 #windows #microsoft #mvpbuzz #mvpOct 09 14:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wars are products of lies; but if lies can create wars, truth can create peace.Oct 09 14:33
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amarsh04back in a fewOct 09 14:42
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amarsh04np: Chiaki Ishikawa - music from Sengoku BasaraOct 09 14:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @Sander_R_ alles aan het moven van server. ExcusesOct 09 14:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] http://ur1.ca/5cfsi is a #javascript and image dependent mess /cc @nj3ma @kelzOKO @fredmanglis ... still glad it's there thoughOct 09 14:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre deblob scripts updated for 3.1-rc9, get them at http://ur1.ca/5cftzOct 09 15:03
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DaemonFChttp://www.opensource.org/blog/OpenCoreOct 09 15:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] RT @blackhalo “Why Richard M Stallman Is Right About Steve Jobs | Muktware”: http://identi.ca/url/54027794Oct 09 15:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #FBI Plans Nationwide Face-Recognition Trials In 2012 - Slashdot #usa #surveillance #policestate http://goo.gl/wNvzG + http://goo.gl/9BwrwOct 09 15:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] Sobre las palabras de Stallman acerca de Jobs: http://atalaya.blogalia.com/historias/70546 #stallman #spanishOct 09 15:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] voted for "Yes"Oct 09 15:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @cwebber: My father had up a sign up in his classroom that said "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you stand alone"Oct 09 15:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] The official Dilbert website with Scott Adams' | Facial Recognition #funny but true... http://ur1.ca/5cg25Oct 09 15:43
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AdmFubar_hi all... don know if anyone has seen this yet at boing boing Oct 09 15:53
AdmFubar_http://boingboing.net/2011/10/08/wipo-boss-the-web-would-have-been-better-if-it-was-patented-and-its-users-had-to-pay-license-fees.htmlOct 09 15:53
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AdmFubar_later all..Oct 09 15:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[faither/@faither] Whaaaa! Clipboard gone mad -.- !kde Can c/p once between apps. To do it again (or want new content) I have to restart the application -.-Oct 09 16:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Skrooge 1.0.0 personal finance manager released - The H Open Source #flosstools #kde http://goo.gl/gYLZ8 http://skrooge.org/Oct 09 16:03
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DaemonFCMinceR: did I mention I found out what was wrong with Trine that stops it from working with free video drivers?Oct 09 16:15
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DaemonFCI found that they shipped a broken standard C library with it Oct 09 16:16
DaemonFCif you just delete it, the game will use the system copy and loadOct 09 16:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Halliburton and the UN: Patent Globalisation, Monopoly Maximalism, and Software Patents http://is.gd/Ylmkjn #swpatsOct 09 16:21
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DaemonFCschestowitz: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/247866_165549540175272_100001606803062_458231_7998369_n.jpgOct 09 16:30
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DaemonFCI posted that on my FacebookOct 09 16:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] An analysis of alleged German governmental malware http://ur1.ca/5cgb9Oct 09 16:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Apple Has 1,000 Engineers Working On Chips For Post-PC Era - http://tcrn.ch/nxgKh6 “Getting low power & smaller is the key to everything”Oct 09 16:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] FDP will von Piraten lernen - http://bit.ly/odmwsG and not just the FDP #pirateparty #germanyOct 09 16:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] With Microsoft, Drones Can Crash Into Buildings http://ur1.ca/5cgch #security #dronesOct 09 16:39
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DaemonFCschestowitz: I heard someone propose that the malware installed was by another part of the governmentOct 09 16:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Google Must Be Feeling Burned For Investing In IV - http://read.bi/nvOSV5 there are no long spoons when you're dining with #trollsOct 09 16:41
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schestowitzDaemonFC: next post goes out to you :-)Oct 09 16:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft Software ‘Donations’ Are a Clever Scam http://ur1.ca/5cgf3 #microsoft #edgi #prOct 09 16:48
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schestowitzThe one after thisOct 09 16:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] What newsrooms can learn from #opensource and maker culture - http://bit.ly/nc8fgN "think about the story as code" (v @mbauwens) #journalismOct 09 16:53
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schestowitzDaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2011/10/09/suse-is-led-by-microsoft/Oct 09 16:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #SUSE is Led by #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/5cggy #novell #sles #redhat #debianOct 09 16:56
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DaemonFC:)Oct 09 16:56
DaemonFCschestowitz: I talked to Getty in #duckduckgo btwOct 09 16:57
DaemonFChe says their goal is to transition away from BingOct 09 16:57
DaemonFChe admits they depend on it more heavily than they shouldOct 09 16:58
DaemonFCbut notes that a user's personal data is never exposed to MicrosoftOct 09 16:58
DaemonFCand that their sorting system and their duckduckbot crawler filter out the crap, rearrange the results and add stuff that Bing wouldn't returnOct 09 16:58
DaemonFCso it is not the same as using Bing and their goal is to move to a system that includes more of their own results and scraping more engines, such as GoogleOct 09 16:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] ♻ @notmart: Ladies and Gentlemen, #Plasma #active One is released: http://ur1.ca/5cgh1 #kde #91011 !eolOct 09 17:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I am unsubscribing from !debian !gnu and !linux. I will be back when the poll spam problem has been sorted.Oct 09 17:03
schestowitzDaemonFC: coolOct 09 17:05
schestowitzno msft in ddg and then I'll use themOct 09 17:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Remembering Jeff Buckely's Grace - http://bit.ly/q88t0P incredible voice, tremendous loss to musicOct 09 17:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #OpenSUSE Wants Donations, Loses Volunteers Force http://ur1.ca/5cgjm #suse #gnu #linuxOct 09 17:06
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DaemonFCWhy don't they ditch the SUSE branding and AttachMate agendaOct 09 17:08
DaemonFCthen ask for people to consider them a community distributionOct 09 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Thomas Biege Leaves the SUSE Security Team http://ur1.ca/5cgkh #suse #microsoftOct 09 17:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Why don't they ditch the SUSE branding and AttachMate agenda.. then ask for people to consider them a community distribution" -RyanOct 09 17:13
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DaemonFChttp://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/10/has-gnome-3-decided-that-people-shouldnt-want-screen-savers/Oct 09 17:22
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DaemonFC"Apparently the Gnome 3 party line is that if you want something more visually pleasing than "lock your screen and power off the monitor", you are wanting something that is Wrong."Oct 09 17:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Occupy Wall Street is an open source protest - http://bit.ly/nFB5IU oh my word yes; and: "We are going to see more" (v @mbauwens)Oct 09 17:26
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DaemonFC[12:28] <DaemonFC> "Go find a Windows XP driver, and hope you're not using the 64-bit version of FreeBSD"Oct 09 17:34
DaemonFC[12:28] <DaemonFC> is not a good answerOct 09 17:34
DaemonFC[12:29] <DaemonFC> let's plug a Windows driver into the kernel, and after that we can go stick some metal coat hangers in a light socketOct 09 17:34
DaemonFC[12:29] <DaemonFC> just for funOct 09 17:34
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 17:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] With OEM Distortion, #Microsoft Need Not Compete http://ur1.ca/5cgoy #linux #uefiOct 09 17:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @JeroenDeDauw oh! Is het frietkot open daar? Heb een hongertjeOct 09 17:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Rackspace Aims to Spin Off OpenStack into a Foundation http://ur1.ca/5cgpqOct 09 17:39
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84499966Oct 09 17:48
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 09-Oct-11 16:21:58 UTC - Identi.ca: .NET Does Not Want to Die Just Yet http://ur1.ca/5cgnk #mono #xamarin #swpatsOct 09 17:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Steve Jobs’ Aggressive Legacy and #Microsoft Boosters Continue to Haunt #Linux Phones http://ur1.ca/5cgrmOct 09 17:48
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schestowitzDaemonFC: lolOct 09 17:49
schestowitzokOct 09 17:49
schestowitzdone all 9 posts in 1.5 hoursOct 09 17:49
schestowitzbut wrote them in the gym mostlyOct 09 17:50
DaemonFCschestowitz: I noticed that with the OpenGL ES backend for kwin, it works better if you force vsync off globally and disable swapbufferswaitOct 09 17:53
DaemonFCpretty much the opposite of what I was expectingOct 09 17:53
DaemonFCvsync gets rid of the very little tearing and makes window management choppy insteadOct 09 17:53
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84499518Oct 09 18:06
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/84457115#notice-84499518Oct 09 18:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Next Ubuntu Version Named "Precise Pangolin" http://ur1.ca/5ch4gOct 09 18:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Why !FSF Founder Richard Stallman is Wrong on Steve Jobs http://goo.gl/AjUxH /by Joe BrockmeierOct 09 18:44
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cubezzzgetting cold calls about windows virus scannersOct 09 18:45
cubezzzpretty funnyOct 09 18:45
cubezzzso when they asked which OS I used I said I use every OS except windows :)Oct 09 18:46
cubezzzplus I haven't had a virus on my amiga in 20 yearsOct 09 18:47
DaemonFCI told a telemarketer that I had a Commodore 64 (I do, in the closet)Oct 09 18:48
DaemonFCthen they didn't seem to know what it was because they continued their sales pitchOct 09 18:49
cubezzzsales pitch for what?Oct 09 18:49
DaemonFCRosetta StoneOct 09 18:50
DaemonFC:(Oct 09 18:50
cubezzzsometimes I can't believe so many people use windowsOct 09 18:52
iophkA lot of people don't know that they are using Windows®, and use the word to mean GUI.Oct 09 18:53
cubezzzwell it's the OEMs, I guess they are just knackeredOct 09 18:53
cubezzzat least acer laptops work well with Fedora 14Oct 09 18:54
azalyni don't see why people keep attacking stallman.Oct 09 18:59
iophkazalyn: because he is both outspoken and rightOct 09 18:59
iophkit's easier to attack the man than the message Oct 09 18:59
iophkand by attacking the man they can distract from the messageOct 09 19:00
cubezzzazalyn, that's been going on since the 80'sOct 09 19:00
schestowitzsomeone today called me a "eunuch"Oct 09 19:00
azalynthe only thing i disagree with in his comment about jobs is that the word 'gone' can be interpreted as if he's happy that jobs is dead. but in his post he goes to great pains to say that this isn't what he means.Oct 09 19:00
cubezzzthey were throwing words like communist around a lot even thenOct 09 19:00
schestowitzsome sick trolls who links to libel he himself plantedOct 09 19:00
azalynhe's glad that jobs isn't in charge of apple anymore, and hopes that his replacement(s) will have more sense.Oct 09 19:01
schestowitzRMS will get flak for the Jobs remark for years to comeOct 09 19:01
azalynnot that he's dead.Oct 09 19:01
schestowitzhe also took a reputation injury after another troll, the ACCESS one, tried to label him a sexistOct 09 19:01
schestowitzI've been getting flak over jobs for almost  month though, since he had stepped downOct 09 19:02
iophkIt was too easy to take the Jobs remark out of context.Oct 09 19:02
azalynone problem is that rms doesn't play the political correctness game. he's more blunt. and some people don't like that.Oct 09 19:02
cubezzzApple was like the snob companyOct 09 19:02
schestowitzazalyn: some news sites misledOct 09 19:02
cubezzz"all the CEO's I met had apple II's not commodore 64's"Oct 09 19:02
schestowitzlike I explained this morning, they only quoted the latter partOct 09 19:02
schestowitzbut the former was esssentialyOct 09 19:02
schestowitzthey said he was happy jobs is goneOct 09 19:02
schestowitzwhich makes it sounds like he's happy about the deathOct 09 19:02
schestowitzal;thgough twice before he said "gone" he emphasises he was not happy about the deathOct 09 19:03
schestowitzSJVN played a role in this deceptionOct 09 19:03
schestowitzshameful,. not surprising thoughOct 09 19:03
iophkRMS probably would have been given more slack if he had waited a few days, it was too soon.Oct 09 19:03
azalynyeah, that feels like a backstab.Oct 09 19:03
azalynsvjn has always been more or less on our side.Oct 09 19:03
iophkI had expected more insight from SJVN.  I think he took it out of context, too.Oct 09 19:03
schestowitzazalyn: he hasOct 09 19:04
iophkRMS statement had to be read carefully.Oct 09 19:04
schestowitzsome techrights people don't like sjvnOct 09 19:04
iophkto be understood.Oct 09 19:04
schestowitzbut i almost always defend himOct 09 19:04
cubezzzRMS is a prickily pearOct 09 19:04
schestowitziophk: not just "too"Oct 09 19:04
azalynthe problem is that the world likes to play political games, and rms doesn't like to play along with that.Oct 09 19:04
schestowitzI think he was the first among those who put it in the Google-fuers handsOct 09 19:05
schestowitzhe snipped a bitOct 09 19:05
schestowitzmaybe put the "M" in because other Richard Stallmans exist who are notableOct 09 19:05
iophkApropos political games, unfortunately we can turn his own quote back at him:, "you can avoid politics but politics won't avoid you"Oct 09 19:05
schestowitzRMS was not being a PC :-)Oct 09 19:05
schestowitzPolitically-correctOct 09 19:06
schestowitzSJVN saidOct 09 19:06
cubezzzhe's the least PC person I know :)Oct 09 19:06
azalynyeah iophk, that's probably rms's only problem.Oct 09 19:06
schestowitz"is you have nothing good to say, say nothing"Oct 09 19:06
schestowitzopr something likeOct 09 19:06
schestowitzthatOct 09 19:06
DaemonFCnasal sex with plants is most definitely not PCOct 09 19:06
schestowitza famous sayingOct 09 19:06
schestowitzBut..Oct 09 19:06
azalynthat either he doesn't realize, or doesn't care about how politics can be used against him.Oct 09 19:06
schestowitzJobs is not some grandpaOct 09 19:06
azalynto twist what he says.Oct 09 19:06
schestowitzHe's a public figureOct 09 19:06
schestowitzCauses a lot of pain to many ChineseOct 09 19:06
DaemonFChe wasOct 09 19:06
schestowitzAnd harms Linux, devs, etc.Oct 09 19:06
iophkJobs was a very public figure.Oct 09 19:06
schestowitzSo the same rules NEVER apply to public figureOct 09 19:06
azalynmost people think the FSF is all radical and shit.. but it's actually a lot more benign than most people think..Oct 09 19:07
schestowitzI often have to explain this to my friends. They can't quite tell apart people who are offender by such remarks and super-rich villains who stomp on peopleOct 09 19:07
azalynfor example, some people are surprised to find out that the FSF doesn't really mind if artwork is free or not. it's a good thing, but it's not an ethical issue on the same level as software.Oct 09 19:07
schestowitzRon Hovsepian=public figureOct 09 19:07
azalynlike when asked about game engines, stallman says you could keep art assets closed..Oct 09 19:07
iophkCEOs of large companies are public figures.  Oct 09 19:07
azalynand release the game engine only.Oct 09 19:08
schestowitzTso= not a public figure reallyOct 09 19:08
iophkJobs tried not to be too public, he kept his private life mostly private.Oct 09 19:08
cubezzzall the major games are closedOct 09 19:08
cubezzzvery few are ever opened Oct 09 19:08
DaemonFCschestowitz: Why do you figure there's so many Vuze users?Oct 09 19:08
schestowitz[19:06] <iophk> Jobs was a very public figure.  < h was a charlantan and king of the chalatanOct 09 19:08
DaemonFCwhat the hell good is it?Oct 09 19:08
azalynthe 'opensource' crowd (as opposed to the 'free software' crowd) are too concerned with not offending the sensibilities of the proprietary software industry.Oct 09 19:09
schestowitzApple thrives in selling people the idea of becoming public figures so magically because their laptop has an apple-shared lightOct 09 19:09
schestowitz*shapedOct 09 19:09
azalyndeep down they may have the same goals, but the opensource crowd seems to think they can succeed better with a cloak and dagger strategy.Oct 09 19:09
azalynlike "we'll pretend we're ok with proprietary software, until we're in control"Oct 09 19:09
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azalynso they don't talk about freedom, and only talk about technical advantages.Oct 09 19:10
azalynbut if you don't talk about freedom, then other companies can just claim that they have those technical advantages too.Oct 09 19:10
iophkschestowitz: his management style could be difficultl:Oct 09 19:10
iophkwww.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Are_You_Gonna_Do_It.txtOct 09 19:10
azalynlike microsoft has been doing over the years... claiming that they're secure and everything..Oct 09 19:10
azalynand now they're using 'security', which has always been linux's schtick, against linux, with secure boot.Oct 09 19:11
azalynthe FSF was right, we should have fought this war on the basis of freedom from the start. because that's the one thing microsoft's marketing department will never be able to compete with.Oct 09 19:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Segundo as sondagens, o caro Alberto da Madeira, deu mais um bailinho aos senhores do PS e CDS.Oct 09 19:11
azalynor twist, or corrupt.Oct 09 19:11
twitterI agreeOct 09 19:12
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*schestowitz looks upwards at all his typos, embarrassedOct 09 19:12
schestowitzTechrights is not like the FSFOct 09 19:12
schestowitzI remember in 2006 and 2007 some people called us an FSF campaignOct 09 19:13
schestowitzWhich I thought was funnyOct 09 19:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @wayneborean Follow up: The Economics of the Writing Business – in which I repair a messed up spreadsheet http://ur1.ca/5ce7d !SelfPubOct 09 19:13
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schestowitzhe FSF was not so openly and vigorously against NovellOct 09 19:13
iophkWell, Techrights can be FSF as Groklaw was IBM ;)Oct 09 19:13
azalynoh, another thing.. the mere *existence* of the LGPL is proof that the FSF isn't as radical as people say.Oct 09 19:13
twitterhe would have gotten it no matter what he said.  -> schestowitz: RMS will get flak for the Jobs remark for years to comeOct 09 19:13
schestowitzIt's helping neither side when people fuse different factions together and tie them together for embarrassing things. Also robs them of idnetitiesOct 09 19:14
schestowitzI notice among trollsOct 09 19:14
DaemonFChttp://www.jwz.org/doc/cddb.htmllolOct 09 19:14
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schestowitz1)Oct 09 19:14
azalynthe LGPL *explicitly* allows the linking of proprietary software to free software code.Oct 09 19:14
schestowitzme being characterised as a worshipper of RMSOct 09 19:14
DaemonFCazalyn: Opera links against a lot of LGPL stuffOct 09 19:14
schestowitzwhich is absurdOct 09 19:14
DaemonFCincluding the GNU C libraryOct 09 19:14
DaemonFCand GstreamerOct 09 19:14
azalynDaemonFC: yeah. that's what i'm saying.Oct 09 19:14
azalynpeople have this idea that the FSF is radicalOct 09 19:14
schestowitz2) people being insulted by being called my "puppy" or something, trying to dissociate them from techrightsOct 09 19:14
schestowitzbefoire you know it they compare FSF to MarxistOct 09 19:15
DaemonFCI think the LGPL is better than permissive licenses or the GPLOct 09 19:15
schestowitzBased on no substance whatsoeverOct 09 19:15
DaemonFCthe free software stays freeOct 09 19:15
DaemonFCbut it doesn't demand that everything that touches it be GPLOct 09 19:15
schestowitzAnd someone today claimed I was anti-Red Hat, which is defamatory imhoOct 09 19:15
schestowitzThe Ender troll played part in thatOct 09 19:15
schestowitz[19:14] <azalyn> people have this idea that the FSF is radicalOct 09 19:15
schestowitzit's all PROct 09 19:16
iophkThat what eases the work (I assume it is paid) of the trolls.  They do not need to base it on substance of any kind.Oct 09 19:16
schestowitzSee some of the aritlces about the RMS Jobs debacleOct 09 19:16
cubezzzschestowitz, seems he's gone now thoughOct 09 19:16
azalynDaemonFC: well, it depends.. the thing is you could use the lgpl as a loophole to create a project with a massive amount of binary blobs.. so yeah..Oct 09 19:16
schestowitzThey delibeerately choose bad photos of RMSOct 09 19:16
azalynbut generally it's not done.Oct 09 19:16
schestowitzUnlike SJVN for exampleOct 09 19:16
cubezzzguess he got tired arguing with everybodyOct 09 19:16
twitteranyone who agrees that software freedom will be attacked this way -> schestowitz: me being characterised as a worshipper of RMSOct 09 19:16
schestowitzHe sort of tried to make it look respectableOct 09 19:16
DaemonFCazalyn: Opera has given back patches against the open source stuff they useOct 09 19:16
schestowitzThen there's the grooming by MS fans of de Icaza (and sometimes Torvalds) as a tool to cause a riftOct 09 19:16
schestowitztryint to push out RMSOct 09 19:16
schestowitzFist they went after the FSFOct 09 19:17
DaemonFCthey haven't even tried swallowing the BSD and MIT licensed stuff wholeOct 09 19:17
schestowitzThen they'll go after the OSIOct 09 19:17
schestowitzThen Linux...Oct 09 19:17
DaemonFCforking something for no reason is really stupidOct 09 19:17
twitterit's all name calling, which is all they have -> schestowitz: it's all PROct 09 19:17
DaemonFConce you do it, you're the only maintainer of your forkOct 09 19:17
schestowitzrepeitton helps themOct 09 19:17
cubezzzthe only way Microsoft can win now is if they locked down the motherboardsOct 09 19:17
DaemonFCI don't think Opera wants to maintain their own patches against OpenSSLOct 09 19:17
schestowitzsaying RMS in proximity with soclism and allOct 09 19:17
schestowitzIt's PR methodologyOct 09 19:17
cubezzzthe genie is out of the bottle re: softwareOct 09 19:17
twitterrepetition can be thrown on it's head, Oct 09 19:18
schestowitzTo associatee a mental state when reading RMS or FSF with imagery of MarxOct 09 19:18
schestowitzOr CommunismOct 09 19:18
schestowitzInter-twining loaded terms in the textOct 09 19:18
twitterjust point to where they say the same stupid things regardless of circumstances Oct 09 19:18
twitterthat discredits the trollsOct 09 19:18
schestowitzyou could do that to do lots of thing, inc. to associate Jobs with paedophiliaOct 09 19:18
schestowitzor Gates with homophobiaOct 09 19:18
schestowitzand Ellion with sexismOct 09 19:19
twitterThe only thing they have is a loud platform of bought mediaOct 09 19:19
schestowitz!google ellison scumbag forbesOct 09 19:19
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Mark Hurd Descends Into Hell - Forbes | http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerkay/2011/08/08/mark-hurd-descends-into-hell/Oct 09 19:19
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - The Secret Diary of Steve Jobs : Larry Ellison | http://www.fakesteve.net/tag/larry-ellisonOct 09 19:19
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Larry Ellison and Steve Jobs among America's five highest-earning ... | http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2560016/postsOct 09 19:19
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Forbes' valuation of Rams was nearly $200 million off ... | http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/11/forbes-valuation-of-rams-was-nearly-200-million-off/Oct 09 19:19
schestowitz!google ellison scum bag forbesOct 09 19:19
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Mark Hurd Descends Into Hell - Forbes | http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerkay/2011/08/08/mark-hurd-descends-into-hell/Oct 09 19:19
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Larry Ellison and Steve Jobs among America's five highest-earning ... | http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2560016/postsOct 09 19:19
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - The Secret Diary of Steve Jobs : Larry Ellison | http://www.fakesteve.net/tag/larry-ellisonOct 09 19:19
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Forbes' valuation of Rams was nearly $200 million off ... | http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/11/forbes-valuation-of-rams-was-nearly-200-million-off/Oct 09 19:19
schestowitzI can't quite find itOct 09 19:19
schestowitzafter he supported Hurd (Julia Fisher case) someone used libel against Ellison (fake harrassment allegation) to smear him in ForbesOct 09 19:20
twitterI don't think the latest RMS smear will take hold and it's unimportant anyway.  The message of importance is software freedom.Oct 09 19:20
schestowitzafaik, ellison's record with women is poor cause he has been divorced so many timesOct 09 19:20
schestowitzhe's much older than gates and jobsOct 09 19:20
twitterTrolls turn the conversation to personal attack because they don't have anything to say about software freedom.Oct 09 19:20
iophktwitter: as with other attacks, it is simply a distraction from the message of software FreedomOct 09 19:20
twitterrightOct 09 19:20
cubezzzI'm surprised about everyone talking about Jobs and almost nothing about WozniakOct 09 19:21
iophkWozniak was disabled in the plane crash in 1981 and played much less of a role since thenOct 09 19:21
DaemonFChe was also a real programmer Oct 09 19:21
twitterThe elevation of Jobs as responsible for all good things in computerdom throws everyone else down the memory hole.Oct 09 19:21
DaemonFCnot a used car salesman typeOct 09 19:21
cubezzzhe was the brains behind the apple and apple IIOct 09 19:21
schestowitzAbout Jobs and his daughter: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/irc-log-social-11092011.html#tSep 11 15:12:55Oct 09 19:21
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DaemonFCCrapple needed a used car salesman to pimp their overpriced and sometimes unreliable computersOct 09 19:22
iophkThere were a lot of real programmers working "behind" the scenes.Oct 09 19:22
twitterwe should not care about Job's daughter. Oct 09 19:22
iophkhttp://folklore.org/Oct 09 19:22
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DaemonFCthey had no use of a programmer competent to fix themOct 09 19:22
cubezzzlet's not forget Killdall eitherOct 09 19:22
twitterother than to see that she has her software freedom tooOct 09 19:22
cubezzzI don't remember everyone talking about his deathOct 09 19:22
iophkKilldall was done in by M$Oct 09 19:22
DaemonFCwell, there's a lot of very smart programmers that have worked for Microsoft over the yearsOct 09 19:23
iophkthey got the deal instead of himOct 09 19:23
DaemonFCbut they got paid to do what people like Ballmer saidOct 09 19:23
iophkno, M$ seems to have gotten the dregssOct 09 19:23
iophkotherwise their software would be significantly betterOct 09 19:23
twitterdoing as Ballmer says is sort of a waste of talent Oct 09 19:23
cubezzzit's bloatwareOct 09 19:23
cubezzzone major reason to avoid itOct 09 19:23
iophkno one of talent is likely to gravitate towards working for M$Oct 09 19:24
twitterpeople do strange things for moneyOct 09 19:24
cubezzzoh they will sometimesOct 09 19:24
DaemonFCif the money is right they willOct 09 19:24
iophkIt's reputation in the 1990's was even worse than it is now.Oct 09 19:24
cubezzzfor $$$ of courseOct 09 19:24
twitterno, I think Microsoft's reputation has sunk even further Oct 09 19:24
cubezzzI'd say 1995-2000 was their zenith actuallyOct 09 19:24
cubezzznow they are less powerfulOct 09 19:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good afternoon !identiverse !tzagOct 09 19:25
twitterevery knows their management is chaos Oct 09 19:25
iophkand their programming / programmers tooOct 09 19:25
cubezzznow I actually see computer stores with linux/bsd distros in the storeOct 09 19:25
iophkgarbage in garbage outOct 09 19:25
DaemonFCthey don't trust their own employees to know how more than a certain amount of Windows worksOct 09 19:26
iophk!google steve jobs third rateOct 09 19:26
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - A Question of Taste (Steve Jobs and Bill Gates) - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DoBISzVRmYIMOct 09 19:26
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Steve Jobs - Wikiquote | http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Steve_JobsOct 09 19:26
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Steve Jobs: The unparalleled revolutionary 'tyrant' - The Economic ... | http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international-business/steve-jobs-defending-lifes-work-with-words-of-a-tyrant/articleshow/10263998.cmsOct 09 19:26
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Steve Jobs and the best investment I ever made – Telegraph Blogs | http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ianmcowie/100012410/steve-jobs-and-the-best-investment-i-ever-made/Oct 09 19:26
DaemonFCso they split them up into teams that don't know what's going on in the next roomOct 09 19:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] And Happy Thanksgiving Weekend !CanadaOct 09 19:26
iophkspaghetti code Oct 09 19:26
iophkby designOct 09 19:26
cubezzzhard to say since we never see the codeOct 09 19:27
iophk"I am saddened, not by Microsoft's success — I have no problem with their success. They've earned their success, for the most part. I have a problem with the fact that they just make really third-rate products"  — Steve Jobs http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Steve_JobsOct 09 19:27
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DaemonFCcubezzz: There was a code leakOct 09 19:27
cubezzzyeah win2K Oct 09 19:27
DaemonFCpart of Windows 2000Oct 09 19:27
DaemonFCthe company that they hired to port Internet Explorer to AIX and Solaris lost a laptop containing a bunch of Windows 2000 source codeOct 09 19:28
DaemonFCand it ended up all over the internet, including the pirate bayOct 09 19:28
cubezzzah, so that's what happenedOct 09 19:29
DaemonFCa lot of shell code, IE 5 code, and networking codeOct 09 19:29
cubezzzdid they finish porting IE to AIX? Sounds like a ridiculous ideaOct 09 19:29
DaemonFCyesOct 09 19:29
DaemonFCIE 4 and 5 both worked on Solaris and AIXOct 09 19:29
DaemonFCalong with Outlook ExpressOct 09 19:29
iophkOutlook was a really poor program with a poor mail handlingOct 09 19:30
cubezzzI gmail and mutt these daysOct 09 19:30
DaemonFCbut the "UNIX" ports didn't have ActiveX, which was no big deal since most plugins were in Netscape's plugin APIOct 09 19:31
DaemonFCso you could feed IE NPAPI plugins and they would work fineOct 09 19:31
iophkEudora was good in its day.  Thunderbird is catching up.Oct 09 19:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ooops.... são de 2007 as sondagens...estes gajos não identificam isto ;)Oct 09 19:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I see the #Mint forums are in their traditional dawg slow state yet againOct 09 19:31
iophkMutt is excellent as is alpineOct 09 19:31
DaemonFCNPAPI hasn't changed much since the late 90sOct 09 19:32
DaemonFCit's basically the same API from Netscape Navigator that browsers today still useOct 09 19:32
DaemonFCMicrosoft removed NPAPI compatibility in IE 5.5Oct 09 19:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] hah... @whistlewright & @jimmorgan were separated by a heap of dentsOct 09 19:33
cubezzzwindows still can't run text mode only right?Oct 09 19:33
DaemonFCwhat was hilarious is that they said they removed NPAPI and wanted developers to use ActiveX because it was more secureOct 09 19:33
DaemonFCcubezzz: Only the emergency recovery consoleOct 09 19:34
DaemonFCbut that's limited to doing things like running chkdskOct 09 19:34
schestowitz[19:24] <cubezzz> I'd say 1995-2000 was their zenith actually  << microsoft's market cap was around half a trillion at that stageOct 09 19:34
DaemonFCit's not a usable environment for much elseOct 09 19:34
schestowitz[19:26] <iophk> !google steve jobs third rate   << you're playing against well-funded SEO and bribed journalists (PR) campaignsOct 09 19:35
cubezzzschestowitz, microsoft is lower now I assume?Oct 09 19:36
schestowitz[19:29] <cubezzz> did they finish porting IE to AIX? Sounds like a ridiculous idea  << isn't that similar to what de Icaza wanted to do on Microsoft's payroll?Oct 09 19:36
iophkIt's hard, the search results in IRC are different that via the WWWOct 09 19:36
cubezzzis Apple bigger than Exxon now? o_0Oct 09 19:37
schestowitz[19:31] <iophk> Eudora was good in its day.  Thunderbird is catching up. << back when I was about 20 I wrote a manual for Eudora, but I think they got collapse onto Thunderbirfd although we heardly ever heard anything about itOct 09 19:37
schestowitz[19:31] <iophk> Mutt is excellent as is alpine  << has not been maintained for years, but Linus still uses itOct 09 19:38
iophkThat was the idea, but they were slow about merging features from Eudora into ThunderbirdOct 09 19:38
schestowitz[19:36] <iophk> It's hard, the search results in IRC are different that via the WWW   << Google results personalisaton and localisationOct 09 19:38
iophkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_%28e-mail_client%29Oct 09 19:39
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iophkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Latest_stable_software_release/Alpine&action=edit  (August 26, 2008; 3 years ago)Oct 09 19:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Next Ubuntu Version Named “Precise Pangolin” http://goo.gl/iQjai lolOct 09 19:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Top 400 - The Times Higher #Education World University Rankings 2011-2012 http://goo.gl/glBQGOct 09 19:40
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iophkhttp://mailman2.u.washington.edu/pipermail/alpine-info/2008-August/001071.htmlOct 09 19:41
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/wood5y/status/123062505282088960Oct 09 19:46
TechrightsBot-tr@wood5y: MS' latest moves against #Linux ♻ @schestowitz: Microsoft Software ‘Donations’ Are a Clever Scam http://t.co/gDzKU6Sk #microsoft #edgi #prOct 09 19:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Fascinating. My publishing articles have drawn a lot of attention. I've also gotten some amazing feedback from the pros.Oct 09 19:46
schestowitziophk: over 3 years agoOct 09 19:46
schestowitzthere was also a successo project iircOct 09 19:47
schestowitzthese days there are issues for such projectsOct 09 19:47
iophkre-alpine, but I don't know if it went anywhereOct 09 19:47
schestowitzlike cyrus in another universityOct 09 19:47
schestowitzpeople are idiots due to the "cloud" hypeOct 09 19:47
schestowitzthey move to emails outside their isp/doaminOct 09 19:48
DaemonFChttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/303401Oct 09 19:48
schestowitzand they move to some web-based junk with one of the giabtsOct 09 19:48
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DaemonFCthere it isOct 09 19:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @jimmorgan @laurelrusswurm well they say alternating cats (ac) is more reliable and cheaper than direct cats (dc)Oct 09 19:48
schestowitzFor most of them it means no native mail clientOct 09 19:48
schestowitziophk: not heard of any dev on itOct 09 19:48
iophkit looks abandoned on sourceforgeOct 09 19:49
iophklast update in 2010Oct 09 19:49
cubezzzis mutt still updated?Oct 09 19:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Ministers say abuse victims under 'pressure' from law firm http://goo.gl/QSLsUOct 09 19:50
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DaemonFC"The WSJ reports that the discovery of the gigantic and prolific Bakken oil fields of Montana and North Dakota have already helped move the U.S. into third place among world oil producers, and according to Harold Hamm, CEO of Continental Resources, the 14th-largest oil company in America, if fully developed the field in Bakken contains 24 billion barrels, doubling America's proven oil reserves. One reason for America's Oct 09 19:50
DaemonFCabundant supply of oil and natural gas has been the development of new drilling techniques, including 'horizontal drilling,' which allows rigs to reach two miles into the ground and then spread horizontally by thousands of feet."Oct 09 19:50
DaemonFCyay, more oilOct 09 19:50
iophkcubezzz: wikipedia says last update 4 years ago, so more stale than alpineOct 09 19:50
cubezzzhmmm, fedora 14 uses mutt-1.5.21-6Oct 09 19:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Catholic #Church steps up gay marriage attack http://goo.gl/bnn4N AKA we demand the right by law to continue to be homophobicOct 09 19:51
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schestowitzi haven't haard much about kmail recentlyOct 09 19:51
schestowitzkontact eitherOct 09 19:51
cubezzzI stopped using kmail Oct 09 19:51
schestowitzin think that fsfe's founder now works in the company backing itOct 09 19:52
cubezzztoo slowOct 09 19:52
schestowitzAnd they try to get more clients, in expos and such..Oct 09 19:52
schestowitzfor me, kmail lacked some functionality, that was the deal breakerOct 09 19:52
schestowitzI switched to thunderbird in 2004 IIRCOct 09 19:52
cubezzzI can log into anywhere and ssh to my server and then muttOct 09 19:53
*schestowitz goes making coffeeOct 09 19:53
iophkThunderbird is mostly good, I used to alternately use Alpine sometimesOct 09 19:53
cubezzziophk, 1.5.21 was released in sept 2010Oct 09 19:55
cubezzzthe stable release is much older thoughOct 09 19:55
iophkpreview release, I only counted the sable releaseOct 09 19:55
cubezzzrightoOct 09 19:55
cubezzzfedora is big on cutting edgeOct 09 19:55
iophkat least it's been worked on recentlyOct 09 19:56
cubezzzI mainly use old mutt anywaysOct 09 19:56
cubezzz1.4.1i from 2003 :)Oct 09 19:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Of course he is entitled, but I question his wisdom. It looked mean spirited and that made our community look mean. That was disappointingOct 09 19:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] What I have to be thankful for today: A minority provincial government (which means a breath of democracy) !ONelxn !CdnPoliOct 09 19:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @thistleweb #Catholic #Church steps up gay marriage attack http://goo.gl/bnn4N AKA we demand the right by law to continue to be homop ...Oct 09 19:58
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iophkhttp://www.i-programmer.info/professional-programmer/i-programmer/2591-dumping-net-microsofts-madness.htmlOct 09 19:59
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iophk"Dumping .NET - Microsoft's Madness"Oct 09 19:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] "Reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled". —Richard Feynman #quotesOct 09 19:59
cubezzzsimplify... just dump microsoft :)Oct 09 20:00
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iophkThat's the right way. :)Oct 09 20:00
iophkFastest and easiest.Oct 09 20:01
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cubezzzI still use 256 meg ram on some machinesOct 09 20:01
iophkWhy so small?Oct 09 20:01
cubezzzI even experimented with 16 meg Oct 09 20:01
cubezzzah, I like using older computersOct 09 20:01
iophkpupply linux, then?Oct 09 20:02
iophk* puppyOct 09 20:02
cubezzzI'm off the upgrade treadmillOct 09 20:02
cubezzzno, I actually use FC1, FreeBSD 8.1, Vector Linux, and BL3Oct 09 20:03
cubezzzon the newer machines I'm using various Fedora versions, but I'm switching to 14Oct 09 20:03
cubezzzif you want small memory, BL3 is the kingOct 09 20:03
Chips_B_MalroyHi allOct 09 20:03
cubezzzunless you want ancient UnixOct 09 20:04
Chips_B_Malroythere is a place for old softwareOct 09 20:04
Chips_B_Malroystill usefulOct 09 20:04
cubezzzplus I run AmigaDos 1.3 and various IBM mainframe OSesOct 09 20:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @lcranston1939 GOP claims ending BigOil subsidies w/cost jobs–Exxon-mobile alone w/b forced to layoff abt 60 congressmen v @MeshGraphicsOct 09 20:05
DaemonFCblagblagblagblagblagblagblagblagblagOct 09 20:05
DaemonFC:)Oct 09 20:05
Chips_B_MalroyI still want to make a VDI or virtual machine of an old linux distro that can run Wordperfect 8 and locki gamesOct 09 20:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Scribus team starts a icon set contest | Libre Graphics World http://goo.gl/IFjYtOct 09 20:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #KDE takes on #Android, Apple's iOS on smartphones and #tablets | ZDNet #floss #mobile http://goo.gl/MdbqzOct 09 20:06
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cubezzzUnix system 7 will run in 256KOct 09 20:07
cubezzzChips_B_Malroy, there's a way to run old Loki stuff on newer distrosOct 09 20:09
cubezzzI have some notes on the subjectOct 09 20:09
Chips_B_Malroysome of the gamesOct 09 20:09
Chips_B_Malroynot allOct 09 20:09
cubezzzrt2 will workOct 09 20:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @ShadowAtSanctum via @lcranston1939 Join the clamor. "Wall Street bankers who broke the law must #OccupyJail" SIGN HERE: pccc.me/ol6jUGOct 09 20:10
cubezzza pity we don't have the code Oct 09 20:10
DaemonFCI'm sure an old BSD release would be close enoughOct 09 20:10
cubezzzbut I have fc1 running so it's simple to just use thatOct 09 20:10
cubezzzChips_B_Malroy, you could probably just hunt down the iso's for fc1 "yarrow"Oct 09 20:11
Chips_B_MalroyA subject I should not even bring up, as it is not important and not story material at all, in fact its slightly toxic to readers.  And it makes no difference at all.  http://celebritydaily.net/scandals/wikileaks-claims-steve-jobs-died-from-aids/Oct 09 20:12
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Chips_B_MalroyGot to die from something, so its really a non storyOct 09 20:12
cubezzzhmm, never heard that oneOct 09 20:13
Chips_B_MalroySteve is a god now.  Just like some of those early rock stars that died, and Elvis.  Oct 09 20:13
Chips_B_MalroyPeople have empathy for famous folks that die, and elevate them after they die.Oct 09 20:14
cubezzzthat's trueOct 09 20:14
Chips_B_MalroyCaesars were officially and legally elevated the the status of Gods by the Roman Senate.  so its not a new thing.Oct 09 20:15
cubezzzexcept maybe for KildallOct 09 20:15
cubezzznot too many people talk about himOct 09 20:15
Chips_B_MalroyWhich is why it's toxic to write negatively about Steve Jobs right now.  Even the little that RMS wrote he is taking some flak about.  Which RMS does not desire to get.Oct 09 20:16
Chips_B_Malroy*deserveOct 09 20:16
iophk!google gary kildallOct 09 20:17
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Gary Kildall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_KildallOct 09 20:17
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Gary Kildall California Digital | http://www.cadigital.com/kildall.htmOct 09 20:17
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Who Made America? | Innovators | Gary Kildall | http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/theymadeamerica/whomade/kildall_hi.htmlOct 09 20:17
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - The Man Who Could Have Been Bill Gates | http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_43/b3905109_mz063.htmOct 09 20:17
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Chips_B_MalroyFC1 huh?  It will run in virtualbox?Oct 09 20:18
cubezzznot sureOct 09 20:19
cubezzzI just run it nativelyOct 09 20:19
Chips_B_Malroyand can get the old libraries for loki/wordperfect/corel to run?Oct 09 20:19
cubezzzI run heretic 2 and rt2 on my fc1 boxOct 09 20:19
Chips_B_MalroyI think beyond kernel 2.4 and maybe 2.2, virtualbox does not support thoseOct 09 20:20
cubezzzfc1 is 2.4Oct 09 20:20
Chips_B_Malroyrailroad tycoon 2?  was a good oneOct 09 20:20
cubezzzI still play it :)Oct 09 20:20
Chips_B_Malroyall Sid Meir's were goodOct 09 20:20
cubezzzyes, but I wish I could make my own trainsOct 09 20:21
cubezzzmaybe I'll hack it somedayOct 09 20:21
Chips_B_Malroytoxic better pic of jobs aids medical report:  http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=155jadj&s=7Oct 09 20:22
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Chips_B_MalroyJobs died with a fortune of between 6 and 8.5 billion depending on which source you read.Oct 09 20:23
cubezzzhuh, that looks pretty realOct 09 20:23
Chips_B_Malroycould be forged, but wikileaks supposedly released it 2 years agoOct 09 20:24
Chips_B_Malroythat does not mean that what wikileaks had was authenicOct 09 20:24
Chips_B_Malroybut most likely isOct 09 20:25
Chips_B_Malroynot that it makes any differenceOct 09 20:25
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: is this report real?Oct 09 20:25
schestowitzcause I think along the lines of those conspiracy theories about ObamaOct 09 20:25
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: real, but how?Oct 09 20:26
Chips_B_MalroyRoy, you won't find it in a google news search.  But will find it in a regular google searchOct 09 20:26
cubezzzthe birthday is right, but that's hardly conclusiveOct 09 20:26
schestowitzYou could make a printout like thatOct 09 20:26
Chips_B_MalroyyesOct 09 20:26
cubezzzyes :)Oct 09 20:26
cubezzzbut I note the SSNOct 09 20:26
Chips_B_MalroyRoy, I would not post this as a story, its toxicOct 09 20:27
cubezzzit's making the rounds Oct 09 20:27
cubezzzanywayOct 09 20:27
Chips_B_Malroyit would be curious if it did come from wikileaks thoughOct 09 20:28
Chips_B_Malroywikileaks has been mostly reliableOct 09 20:28
Chips_B_MalroyEven if Jobs did die as a result of Aids, it really is a non-story.  Its does not further software freedom in any way.  Best to let his family have peace, even though there will be a lot of interest in this.Oct 09 20:30
cubezzzone site says that SxCheck didn't exist until 2006Oct 09 20:30
cubezzzand that report is dated 2004Oct 09 20:30
Chips_B_Malroyso might be fakeOct 09 20:31
cubezzzit's possibleOct 09 20:31
Chips_B_MalroyI was curious as I seen a post on Mini MSFT that made this claim, so I googled it.Oct 09 20:32
Chips_B_Malroydon't know about the datesOct 09 20:32
cubezzzhttp://www.sxcheck.comOct 09 20:33
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Chips_B_MalroySXcheck, should be a home page, I see you are ahead of meOct 09 20:33
cubezzzthey could have reprinted an earlier company's report using their own letterheadOct 09 20:34
cubezzzbut I'm leaning towards fakeOct 09 20:34
Chips_B_Malroyeasy to forge, even I with my limited abilities could gimp itOct 09 20:34
Chips_B_Malroythe trick would be to get wikileaks to post it, if they didOct 09 20:35
cubezzzas you say, dead is deadOct 09 20:36
cubezzzthe cancer most likely got himOct 09 20:36
Chips_B_Malroyyep, just thought folks here might be interested a bit, but not for a storyOct 09 20:36
Chips_B_MalroyWhat he died of, if he was gay or bi, really its does not matter or is important, it was his life that was important.Oct 09 20:37
Chips_B_MalroySxCheck will not verify it even if it was authenitic, as that would open them to lawsuit.  Oct 09 20:39
Chips_B_MalroyAnyway, I figured that this was going come up and be a story somewhere.Oct 09 20:40
Chips_B_MalroyAlso, from what I can see, Jobs only ever gave to the Cancer fund and the Aids funds.Oct 09 20:41
Chips_B_MalroyWhich is curious, as otherwise he was a thightwad.Oct 09 20:42
Chips_B_MalroySort of like Sweaty B, that tight.Oct 09 20:43
Chips_B_MalroyRumor is Sweaty B will leave MS when or shortly after Win8 is released, and Steven S. will replace him.Oct 09 20:45
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.ihasapple.com/2011/09/u2%E2%80%B2s-bono-praises-steve-jobs%E2%80%99-help-in-the-fight-against-aids/Oct 09 20:54
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Chips_B_MalroyI sure hope those infected windows drones don't turn on us!  As I am much closer to where they fly.Oct 09 20:59
Chips_B_MalroylaterOct 09 21:01
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://wikileaks.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs_purported_HIV_medical_status_results,_2008Oct 09 21:12
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Chips_B_Malroy"The results by HIV testing company SxCheck are dated 1 Sep 2004. Though SxCheck's website did not launch until 2006[1], its parent company Adult Industry Medical Health Care Foundation has existed since the 1980s[2]. It is thus plausible that the results are a re-issue of earlier tests associated with its parent company. SxCheck's website advertises "decades of experience"[3]. "Oct 09 21:13
Chips_B_MalroyI would also submit that the SXCheck letterhead could of been in use before the website was created.Oct 09 21:14
Chips_B_MalroyThis often happens with businesses, they create the business first and later on a website.Oct 09 21:14
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.freakgeeks.com/2011/6091/steve-jobs-suffering-from-hiv-says-wikileaks/     The signature of Jobs is compared with a real one, looks real.Oct 09 21:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I treated myself to 7:16 of maudlin genius that no one should be ashamed to wallow in http://ur1.ca/5cia2Oct 09 21:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange calls for activists to liberate the secrets of war Get into the ball park and get the ball http://t.co/qWtYdPuiOct 09 21:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] I'm told I was mean for quoting Mike Shatzkin's own words. My response, if he didn't want to be quoted, he shouldn't say anything. #writingOct 09 21:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is psquid with 78 dents!Oct 09 21:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] It works really well in the case it was designed for: smaller more cohesive groups. But clearly needs some fine-tuning for Identica groups.Oct 09 21:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] @evan well,in this case,I'd say he's testing that the poll doesn't "spam" the group.It shouldn't,since it looks like no group's tagged in itOct 09 21:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Occupy Wall Street-style protests spread to Britain http://identi.ca/url/54043495Oct 09 21:40
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DaemonFCby that you mean they're looting and stealing TVs?Oct 09 21:43
DaemonFCor is this an actual protest?Oct 09 21:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Did a right-wing agent provocateur instigate Air and Space Museum pepper-spray chaos? http://identi.ca/url/54043520Oct 09 21:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @kevie: #Thoughtfortheday sex is a great way to wake up………….unless your in prisionOct 09 21:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @jacobwb: The first #iPhone was just a faster, Internet capable, color Palm Visor. Pretty much still isOct 09 21:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Steve Jobs Tribute in Bloomberg Businessweek Magazine http://identi.ca/url/54043545Oct 09 21:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Dead Men Tell No Tales: The CIA, 9/11 and the Awlaki Assassination - #usa #policestate #stateterrorism http://goo.gl/Dks1bOct 09 22:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] New 9/11 Investigation may be in the Offing #911 http://goo.gl/Nm2YXOct 09 22:18
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twitterwhat was missing?  -> schestowitz: for me, kmail lacked some functionality, that was the deal breakerOct 09 22:46
DaemonFCfor some reason konversation is crashing every few hoursOct 09 22:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Got it. Haven't had enough coffee yet.Oct 09 22:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I just hope you are referring to a machine, rather than a person. D:Oct 09 22:52
DaemonFChttp://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-indiana-cities-featured-in-im-a-mormon-ad-campaign-20111009,0,1746608.storyOct 09 23:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Indiana cities featured in 'I'm a Mormon' ad campaign - chicagotribune.com .::. Size~: 155.73 KBOct 09 23:02
_GoblinExcellent show!Oct 09 23:06
_Goblinschestowitz: cheers Roy!!Oct 09 23:06
MinceRs/rmo/ro/Oct 09 23:06
MinceRfixed that for themOct 09 23:06
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKQ5XNjXWzMOct 09 23:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Fart in the Duck (Full Version)       - YouTube .::. Size~: 95.7 KBOct 09 23:09
MinceRgnOct 09 23:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @laurelrusswurm: !InconstantMoon for Friday http://ur1.ca/5bxtp !SelfPubOct 09 23:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @uvmchristine: Hot as hell -- Lawyers In Hell Trailer http://t.co/J4IcJgcT via @youtubeOct 09 23:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @BarrettBrownLOL: #TARIR PROTESTERS BEING KILLED BY #SCAF MORE SOON #EGYPTOct 09 23:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Inconstant Moon – 132 .::. Size~: 18.52 KBOct 09 23:45
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schestowitz_Goblin: the editor sorted out the volume with leveller, part early on has the volume issue on the _Goblin sideOct 09 23:45
*koolhead17 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)Oct 09 23:45
schestowitz[21:17] <Chips_B_Malroy> http://www.freakgeeks.com/2011/6091/steve-jobs-suffering-from-hiv-says-wikileaks/     The signature of Jobs is compared with a real one, looks real.Oct 09 23:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Steve Jobs Suffering From HIV-1, Says WikiLeaks .::. Size~: 27.07 KBOct 09 23:47
schestowitzI'km not sure it matters either wayOct 09 23:47
schestowitzIf he had HIV or not... because it's totally a personal aspect of his life and not professionalOct 09 23:48
schestowitz[22:46] <twitter> what was missing?  -> schestowitz: for me, kmail lacked some functionality, that was the deal breakerOct 09 23:48
schestowitzHTML did not display quite so correctly at the time IIRCOct 09 23:49
schestowitzAlso no plugins joyOct 09 23:49
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MinceRpool's closedOct 09 23:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Google Answers: #Vaccination Schedule for Children in #Japan http://goo.gl/g527UOct 09 23:57
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schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2011/10/07/steve-jobs/Oct 09 23:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Steve’s Job | Techrights .::. Size~: 169.05 KBOct 09 23:57

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