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schestowitz_Goblin: me checksOct 12 00:02
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schestowitzlooks greatOct 12 00:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Red Hat's Open-Source Software Lowers Costs http://is.gd/OE5YP8 #redhatOct 12 00:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] art is any expression of creativity; the digital medium is just a different canvas on which an artist creates.Oct 12 00:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Red Hat's Open-Source Software Lowers Costs - Investors.com .::. Size~: 166.74 KBOct 12 00:03
schestowitzSusan will like itOct 12 00:04
schestowitzCowboy hat.. TexasOct 12 00:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @vanden @gomerx No. Sushi is the sacrement in my vegetarianism mandating religion. Ergo, fish is a vegetable. No odder than transubst ...Oct 12 00:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @johnfmoore !GovInTheLab Is the German Government Hacking its Own Citizens? http://bit.ly/nLK8AiOct 12 00:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Is the German Government Hacking its Own Citizens? | Government In The Lab .::. Size~: 43.43 KBOct 12 00:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] OPENBYTES: Pearltrees – A link sharing service – rediscover the web! http://goo.gl/jIwgrOct 12 00:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Pearltrees – A link sharing service – rediscover the web! « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 44.2 KBOct 12 00:07
schestowitzInteresting article about RMS, not that I agree with it. http://www.forbes.com/sites/briancaulfield/2011/10/10/leave-it-to-richard-stallman-to-go-there/Oct 12 00:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Leave It To Richard Stallman To Go There - Forbes .::. Size~: 98.94 KBOct 12 00:11
schestowitzIt's written quite cleanlyOct 12 00:11
*`Phoenix is now known as `RobotekOct 12 00:13
schestowitz[00:15] <schestowitz> michaellarabel: some people do not like the message (e.g. about ubuntu speeds), so they'll attack the messenger using anything they can, thus you've got to be careful with those words, IMHO. I just tell you how I see these exploited, not my own interpretation of them.Oct 12 00:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm really tired tonight and with no good reason for it. I hate that feeling :(Oct 12 00:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm really tired tonight and with no good reason for it. I hate that feeling :( http://b1t.it/HhjOct 12 00:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Indian Supreme Court Switches Over To Ubuntu; So Should USA http://ur1.ca/5d0js nice imageOct 12 00:15
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: Indian Supreme Court Switches Over To Ubuntu; So Should USA | Muktware .::. Size~: 36.07 KBOct 12 00:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Today's !InconstantMoon chapter is now online http://ur1.ca/5dlew !SelfPubOct 12 00:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Red Hat's Open-Source Software Lowers Costs http://ur1.ca/5dlfb #redhat #gnu #linux #business #crisisOct 12 00:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] It is now raining #tothepointweatherreportOct 12 00:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] My 1 comment on @rms #Jobs thing: do people realize a) he was quoting Harold #Washington on death of elder #Daley, b) who they were? #smhOct 12 00:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Google+ audience mostly male http://is.gd/m8wInI it is said to be the same with Android (maybe not anymore)Oct 12 00:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Google Moves to Offense, Goes Super Social .::. Size~: 150.56 KBOct 12 00:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @johnfmoore !GovInTheLab Is the German Government Hacking its Own Citizens? http://bit.ly/nLK8AiOct 12 00:26
schestowitzHow the corporate press defames protesters: photos of anarchy, scenes of violence/looting, police/army glorification...Oct 12 00:26
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Is the German Government Hacking its Own Citizens? | Government In The Lab .::. Size~: 43.43 KBOct 12 00:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] How To Find Out If Your Computer Can Run Unity 3D (w/ Compiz) http://ur1.ca/5dlig #compiz #unity #hardware #3dOct 12 00:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How To Find Out If Your Computer Can Run Unity 3D (w/ Compiz) ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog .::. Size~: 63.9 KBOct 12 00:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] WineHQ database compromised http://ur1.ca/5dll2Oct 12 00:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: WineHQ database compromised [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 8.17 KBOct 12 00:38
DaemonFCschestowitz: What does looting a privately owned shop have to do with protesting the government? :)Oct 12 00:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Attention IOWA: CHILD ABDUCTION EMERGENCY - http://b1t.it/Hhp via @jimmorganOct 12 00:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @neptune78 No overnight arrests of “Occupy Des Moines” protesters: http://tinyurl.com/3jphom9 #IOWAOct 12 00:41
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: No overnight arrests of “Occupy Des Moines” protesters .::. Size~: 47.55 KBOct 12 00:41
schestowitz[00:42] <schestowitz> hiOct 12 00:44
schestowitz[00:44] <schestowitz> michaellarabel: was basically trying to say, I still defend phoronix when people bring up these criticisms. I'm used to seeing messengers--myself included--attacked for delivering the message, not the message itselfOct 12 00:44
schestowitz[00:44] <michaellarabel> right I understandOct 12 00:44
schestowitz[00:44] <schestowitz> okOct 12 00:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Linux on Wheels http://ur1.ca/5dloyOct 12 00:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] dear identica and twitter, stop shortening our urls, we don't want them shortened. the url is the message.Oct 12 00:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] and yes, our profile is configured with "none" url shortener for messages up to 140 chars.Oct 12 00:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Tux goes for a spin | ITworld .::. Size~: 113.7 KBOct 12 00:45
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/123905178666668032?iid=am-203724525013183762716550340&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208Oct 12 00:49
TechrightsBot-tr@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz That's interesting, Roy. My subjective anecdotal fact-free assessment is that Facebook is more female driven.Oct 12 00:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] The Woman Who Knew Too Much | Politics | Vanity Fair - #bankingsystem #obama #USA http://goo.gl/xflFdOct 12 00:58
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schestowitzWas Steve Jobs An Inspiration For College Students? http://www.muktware.com/blogs/2625 self-centered, richOct 12 01:08
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schestowitzr. JobsOct 12 01:08
schestowitzSo kindOct 12 01:08
schestowitzSo patientOct 12 01:08
schestowitzWe should worship himOct 12 01:08
_GoblinHey......a record for me....Oct 12 01:08
_Goblin01:07:43 up 17:31,  3 users,  load average: 0.86, 0.71, 0.47Oct 12 01:08
schestowitzBased on this, he is a prickOct 12 01:08
schestowitzAnd he also had that ogg remarkOct 12 01:08
schestowitzQuick messages that are hostileOct 12 01:08
schestowitz_Goblin: the whole day :-)Oct 12 01:08
schestowitzlet's see techrightsOct 12 01:09
_GoblinlolOct 12 01:09
schestowitztechrights boycottn]# uptimeOct 12 01:09
schestowitz 17:09:00 up 68 days,  1:40,  2 users,  load average: 1.57, 1.33, 1.43Oct 12 01:09
schestowitzthose times when the site does not serve are associated with apacheOct 12 01:09
_Goblinright....how do I pipe that info in bash to a variable...... I'm being thick tonight...Oct 12 01:09
_Goblinuptime > $tim doesnt work...Oct 12 01:10
schestowitzcut?Oct 12 01:10
_GoblinI am assuming its an array of data not merely a string...Oct 12 01:10
_Goblinthere must be a way to put it into $tim, then with Curl I could cron a dent.Oct 12 01:11
schestowitz uptime | cut -b 1-6Oct 12 01:11
schestowitzsee man cutOct 12 01:11
schestowitzyou can specifiy delimiterOct 12 01:11
schestowitzand use bytes/charactersOct 12 01:12
schestowitzthen pipe that into a file, site, web page, etc.Oct 12 01:12
_GoblinI'll give it a look....cheers!Oct 12 01:12
schestowitzyou could cron thatOct 12 01:12
schestowitzuse the right quote signsOct 12 01:12
_Goblinit just seems a rather convoluted way to do something quite simple....Oct 12 01:12
schestowitzto run a command within the cron which specified the curl commandOct 12 01:12
_GoblinI'm out of practice with the CLIOct 12 01:12
schestowitzbut what for? automated uptime report?Oct 12 01:12
_Goblinfor fun....Oct 12 01:13
schestowitzyou could set up an account that does nothing but report uptime of your siteOct 12 01:13
schestowitzand then subscribe to that on your phoneOct 12 01:13
schestowitz[01:12] <_Goblin> I'm out of practice with the CLIOct 12 01:14
schestowitzDIR /WOct 12 01:14
_GoblinloOct 12 01:14
_GoblinlolOct 12 01:14
schestowitzDELTREE PROGRA~1Oct 12 01:14
schestowitzDEFRAG.EXEOct 12 01:14
_Goblina windowed directory if memory served as in horizontal not verticalOct 12 01:14
schestowitzD:Oct 12 01:14
schestowitzmehOct 12 01:14
_Goblinone decent MS binary though...Oct 12 01:14
_GoblindebugOct 12 01:14
schestowitz:D   :-)Oct 12 01:14
schestowitzsilly lettersOct 12 01:15
schestowitzUsing Windows is like going back to  being 1 year oldOct 12 01:15
schestowitzA B C.... it's simple lik 12 3Oct 12 01:15
schestowitzWhat's A, mummy?Oct 12 01:15
schestowitzIt's that drive you never useOct 12 01:15
schestowitzAnd what's B?Oct 12 01:15
schestowitzOh, it's some magnetic thingOct 12 01:15
_Goblinmind you...before that i had:Oct 12 01:15
_Goblindf0:Oct 12 01:15
_Goblinand df1:Oct 12 01:15
cubezzzhahaOct 12 01:15
schestowitzJust use COct 12 01:15
schestowitz:-)Oct 12 01:15
schestowitzThat'sm intuitiveOct 12 01:15
cubezzzdoes a: and b: ever get used now?Oct 12 01:16
schestowitzremember to shut down when you're ffinished... click "start"Oct 12 01:16
cubezzzon amiga we didn't need deltree Oct 12 01:16
schestowitzcubezzz: nopeOct 12 01:16
cubezzzdelete would delete subdirectories as neededOct 12 01:16
schestowitzit's legacyOct 12 01:16
schestowitzmaybe C too will be legacy :-)Oct 12 01:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Financial Giants Put New York City Cops On Their Payroll » Counterpunch - #usa #ows #policestate #bankingsystem http://goo.gl/JjInhOct 12 01:16
schestowitzjust network drivesOct 12 01:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Financial Giants Put New York City Cops On Their Payroll » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names .::. Size~: 50.71 KBOct 12 01:16
schestowitzuntil they reach Z :-)Oct 12 01:16
schestowitzthen it's messyOct 12 01:16
schestowitzand no names for these partitions or virtual mount pointsOct 12 01:17
schestowitzwhat's simpler?Oct 12 01:17
schestowitz:Oct 12 01:17
schestowitz::Oct 12 01:17
cubezzzhow do they deal with more than 26 devices?Oct 12 01:17
schestowitzJohn needs to access drive Z, move some stuff to drive G, then back to drive Z and then to EOct 12 01:17
schestowitzor:Oct 12 01:17
_Goblinyou think a MS machine could deal with 26? It has difficulty with 1 most of the time.Oct 12 01:17
schestowitzJohn needed o get some stuff from /logs/, then put them in /media/log_backups, make a copy in /home/john and put that again in /logs/Oct 12 01:18
cubezzzM$ is so pre-21st century :)\Oct 12 01:18
schestowitzI think the former thing is s cryptic version of the firstOct 12 01:18
_Goblinoh Roy....Oct 12 01:18
_Goblinmeant to say.....Oct 12 01:18
_GoblinGoogle DNS has been taken out of my resolv.confOct 12 01:18
_Goblinits crapOct 12 01:18
schestowitzcoolOct 12 01:19
_Goblin(technical term there - crap)Oct 12 01:19
cubezzzwhy is that?Oct 12 01:19
schestowitzmaybe lagOct 12 01:19
schestowitzmaybe BT competes for response timeOct 12 01:19
cubezzzif you ISP's dns server goes down it serves as an alternativeOct 12 01:19
schestowitzBT wants you to use their dns, _GoblinOct 12 01:19
schestowitzPHORM!!!Oct 12 01:19
_Goblinlag was one issue....and some bizarre paranoia inducing wierd behaviour...Oct 12 01:19
schestowitzTo inPHORM CameronOct 12 01:19
_GoblinBT can want all day.....I'm with o2Oct 12 01:20
schestowitzWhen you watch those naughty videos of turtles doing itOct 12 01:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @torproject You can choose to turn off the URL shortener on Identi.ca - don't think it is possible on Twitter thoughOct 12 01:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Tried out #clawsmail after a long time. Seg fault.Oct 12 01:20
cubezzzif only there was a free world-wide internet serviceOct 12 01:20
_Goblinthere was...Oct 12 01:21
_Goblinsort of.Oct 12 01:21
_Goblinit was called fidonetOct 12 01:21
schestowitzthere could be open wirelessOct 12 01:21
schestowitzbut govt. won't allow itOct 12 01:21
schestowitzno cdentralised controlOct 12 01:21
schestowitzthe only open wireless is allow is the scope of a homeOct 12 01:21
cubezzzI think fidonet still exists?Oct 12 01:21
schestowitznow they illegalise open wifii too!!Oct 12 01:21
_GoblinYeah....not like it days of glory thoughOct 12 01:21
schestowitzThink fot he children... and OMG the TERROR~1!!Oct 12 01:21
_Goblincubezzz: I messed around with an idea of a BBS for a while....Oct 12 01:22
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_GoblinI think Marti set one up.Oct 12 01:22
cubezzzthere's something else... trying to remember...Oct 12 01:22
schestowitzyeah, he didOct 12 01:22
_Goblinnot sure if its still going....Oct 12 01:22
cubezzzoh right, AX.25Oct 12 01:22
schestowitzcubezzz is more ancient than that :-)Oct 12 01:22
_GoblinI did visit more than once I think....Oct 12 01:22
schestowitzcubezzz would pass cards aroundOct 12 01:22
_Goblinthats nothing....Oct 12 01:22
cubezzzcome on, I'm from the mini-cassette era, not punched cards :)Oct 12 01:23
_GoblinI was there when they made the Bagdad batteryOct 12 01:23
schestowitzcubezzz: show us that ol' skool IBM DJ...Oct 12 01:23
_Goblin;)Oct 12 01:23
*cubezzz groves to his 8-trackOct 12 01:23
schestowitzDJ MegaOct 12 01:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Either Identi.ca is running Über-Slow or everyone is off watching a hockey game or soccer match....Oct 12 01:23
schestowitzA whole megabyte in ONE ROOMOct 12 01:23
schestowitzthink of the possibilitiesOct 12 01:24
cubezzzhttp://maxhost.org/other/computer/computer-room-1.jpgOct 12 01:24
schestowitza whole THESIS on your deskOct 12 01:24
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting image/jpeg typeOct 12 01:24
cubezzzI even have the URL memorized :)Oct 12 01:24
schestowitzcubezzz: wrong imageOct 12 01:24
schestowitzthat's the athlete Oct 12 01:24
schestowitzdiscus throwerOct 12 01:24
cubezzzwashing machine :)Oct 12 01:24
schestowitzbothOct 12 01:25
schestowitzhe finished practiceOct 12 01:25
schestowitzhe organises his gear in the rackOct 12 01:25
cubezzzthat's when front panels were kingOct 12 01:25
schestowitzsrly though, show this to some kid from the ghetto and see if they can figure out what this isOct 12 01:25
schestowitzthey grow up in a world of phones and sd cardsOct 12 01:25
cubezzzanyone that watches old sci-fi would knowOct 12 01:26
schestowitzyeahOct 12 01:26
schestowitzthis guy has Elvis-like hair styleOct 12 01:26
schestowitzit's kind of funnyOct 12 01:26
cubezzzI'm not really that pro-IBMOct 12 01:28
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cubezzzbut it's impossible to ignore IBM when it comes to computer historyOct 12 01:28
schestowitzthese people were cleverOct 12 01:30
schestowitzsame brain capacityOct 12 01:30
schestowitzbut they could read instructionsOct 12 01:30
schestowitzand speak about computer architeectureOct 12 01:30
schestowitznowadays people think in higher-level termsOct 12 01:30
schestowitzclassesOct 12 01:30
schestowitzobjectsOct 12 01:30
schestowitzMMUsOct 12 01:31
schestowitzSSDOct 12 01:31
schestowitzNot magnetsOct 12 01:31
schestowitzbitsOct 12 01:31
schestowitzsmall/big endianOct 12 01:31
schestowitzregister bits and instruction bitsOct 12 01:31
cubezzzhang out in #classiccmpOct 12 01:31
schestowitzCRCOct 12 01:31
cubezzzthere's lots of people like thatOct 12 01:31
schestowitzcubezzz: no, thanks :-) that would scare meOct 12 01:31
schestowitzI'm already in about 15 channelsOct 12 01:31
cubezzzz80 and 6502 aren't hardOct 12 01:32
schestowitz[17:28] <netdaemon> richard stallman is a hippyOct 12 01:32
schestowitz[17:28] <netdaemon> hippies don't matterOct 12 01:32
schestowitzRMS got a lot of traffic in his site I betOct 12 01:32
schestowitzafter that Jobs remarkOct 12 01:32
schestowitzso people would hang around and read the restOct 12 01:32
cubezzzyes, no doubtOct 12 01:32
schestowitzhe also got a lot of publicity from people taking his words out of contextOct 12 01:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: Very useful collection of statements/explanations/examples about #opendata http://t.co/VJBaopwm courtesy of http://p.ost.im/p/e6UWTfOct 12 01:33
schestowitzpeople who understand him took no offenceOct 12 01:33
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schestowitzbut..Oct 12 01:33
schestowitzit's good that we put the record straightOct 12 01:33
schestowitzin techbytes too, in order to remove misinterpretationsOct 12 01:33
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schestowitzpreventing from assigning false positions to himOct 12 01:33
schestowitzit's funny when people attack techrightsOct 12 01:33
schestowitzin a way they advertise itOct 12 01:34
schestowitzsame when some people trolled techbytesOct 12 01:34
schestowitzand then got people listening to itOct 12 01:34
schestowitzsome listen regularly nowOct 12 01:34
_Goblinschestowitz: there will always be misinterpretations because they are intentional.....Oct 12 01:34
cubezzznegative publicity is still publicityOct 12 01:34
_Goblinyep...Oct 12 01:35
_Goblinalthough it hasn't done MS much goodOct 12 01:35
_Goblininfact negative publicity has just further driven people to other products.Oct 12 01:35
cubezzzI'm trying to think of something positive about MicrosoftOct 12 01:35
_GoblindebugOct 12 01:36
_Goblinthats something positive...Oct 12 01:36
_Goblinms flightsim.....that was goodOct 12 01:36
cubezzzbah, x86 instruction setOct 12 01:36
_GoblinBallmers dance...that was goodOct 12 01:36
schestowitz_Goblin: didn't ms buy it?Oct 12 01:36
_Goblinoh, but it was so simple to use....Oct 12 01:36
schestowitzor parts of it..Oct 12 01:37
_Goblinschestowitz: what the balmer dance? ;)Oct 12 01:37
_Goblinschestowitz: probably.Oct 12 01:37
schestowitz!google microsoft buys flight simulatorOct 12 01:37
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Amazon.com: Microsoft Flight Simulator X Deluxe DVD: Video Games | http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Flight-Simulator-Deluxe-DVD-Pc/dp/B000GCJ6MKOct 12 01:37
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Microsoft Store Online - Microsoft Flight Simulator X Deluxe Edition ... | http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/en_US/pd/productID.216458100Oct 12 01:37
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Microsoft Flight Simulator X Review - PC Games - CNET Reviews | http://reviews.cnet.com/pc-games/microsoft-flight-simulator-x/4505-9696_7-31660767.htmlOct 12 01:37
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Walmart.com: Microsoft Flight Simulator X Deluxe (PC-DVD): Games | http://www.walmart.com/ip/Microsoft-Flight-Simulator-X-Deluxe-PC-DVD-PC-Games/5065288Oct 12 01:37
schestowitzlet me check this properlyOct 12 01:37
schestowitzbtw they killed itOct 12 01:37
cubezzzanother thing they boughtOct 12 01:37
schestowitzyears agoOct 12 01:37
_Goblinyeah I knowOct 12 01:37
schestowitzcubezzz: probablyOct 12 01:37
_GoblinI discussed it in MS Watch around 2008Oct 12 01:37
cubezzzthat's all microsoft ever did was buy the work of othersOct 12 01:37
cubezzzeven MS DOSOct 12 01:37
schestowitzdoesn't sound like something that would mushroom in an OEM abuse, marketing and litigation  companyOct 12 01:37
cubezzzeven BASICOct 12 01:37
schestowitznot much room for creativity thereOct 12 01:37
schestowitzthey bought HaloOct 12 01:38
_GoblinI think they bought it and the company, then continued development on add-onsOct 12 01:38
_Goblinyep...Oct 12 01:38
schestowitzGoogle does something similarOct 12 01:38
DaemonFCthe only reason Halo (the first one) got a Mac port was because it was basically done when they bought itOct 12 01:38
schestowitzalthough it does make its own sometimesOct 12 01:38
schestowitzg+ was probably making reuse of stuff but was not a takeoverOct 12 01:38
schestowitzGoogle chat=gizmoOct 12 01:38
schestowitzearth=keyholeOct 12 01:39
cubezzzoh and they used PDP-10 time... stolenOct 12 01:39
schestowitzgmail-in-houseOct 12 01:39
cubezzzto write BASICOct 12 01:39
schestowitzsearch=raison detreOct 12 01:39
_GoblinIve yet to see an implimentation of the wave tech pop up somewhere.Oct 12 01:39
DaemonFCthe second one won't even run without at least Vista (unless you patch it to remove the bogus checks to see if it's on Vista)Oct 12 01:39
schestowitzandroid=buyoutOct 12 01:39
DaemonFCnothing in it actually needs VistaOct 12 01:39
schestowitznot Google'sOct 12 01:39
schestowitzlike dangr/sidekick in MSFTOct 12 01:39
DaemonFCthey were trying to use it as a carrot to get XP users to give up and install VistaOct 12 01:39
DaemonFC:)Oct 12 01:39
schestowitzat google, gmail and search seem like something they really boughtOct 12 01:39
schestowitzbut maybe Google bought some improvements to them over timeOct 12 01:40
schestowitzlike parts that gmail integrates with, like the Apps part which is basically boughtOct 12 01:40
cubezzzha, install VistaOct 12 01:40
cubezzzI've seen windows 7Oct 12 01:40
schestowitz[01:39] <_Goblin> Ive yet to see an implimentation of the wave tech pop up somewhere.Oct 12 01:40
schestowitzWave was not the firstOct 12 01:40
_GoblinI know...Oct 12 01:40
schestowitzGoogle was rarely the first with aNYTHINGOct 12 01:40
schestowitzeither itn  bought somethingOct 12 01:41
_Goblinyou have that pastebin...or something similar can't think of its nameOct 12 01:41
schestowitzor it popularised somethingOct 12 01:41
_Goblinno...it wasn't pastebinOct 12 01:41
schestowitzsame with appleOct 12 01:41
schestowitzalmost no company innovatesOct 12 01:41
_GoblinI'll have to look...Oct 12 01:41
cubezzzthe PDP-10 was owned by Computer Center CorporationOct 12 01:41
schestowitzcause innovations are micro-improvements of other thingsOct 12 01:41
schestowitzin practiceOct 12 01:41
cubezzzstealing computer time from CCCOct 12 01:41
schestowitzthere is no geniusOct 12 01:41
schestowitzjust the illusion of someOct 12 01:41
schestowitzI don't think any person or company is geniusOct 12 01:42
cubezzzthe GPL? Oct 12 01:42
cubezzzthat's up thereOct 12 01:42
schestowitzEinstein too had his many flaws, but he became a symbol among someOct 12 01:42
schestowitzthey were good at mastering the lieterature of their time and enhancing existing knowledgeOct 12 01:42
schestowitzsome Nobel prize winners are like thatOct 12 01:42
schestowitzand IIRC there was also an 'arms race' over things like the phone, bomb, airplane, the BombOct 12 01:43
schestowitzso if one person didn't 'innovate' these, they would be 'innovated' by someone else the following year or a few years laterOct 12 01:43
schestowitzThe pieces were all in placeOct 12 01:43
schestowitzdependign what milestone you celebrateOct 12 01:43
cubezzzGutenbergOct 12 01:44
schestowitzMaybe if Eintein hadn't developed his theory of relativity, others of his time (like Godel) would have approached the subjectOct 12 01:44
schestowitzcubezzz: wasn't he beated to it by the Chinese?Oct 12 01:44
schestowitzJust unattributedOct 12 01:44
schestowitzThe "New World" also beat us to it in some thingsOct 12 01:45
schestowitzlike Incann on astronomyOct 12 01:45
schestowitzwe like to compre them to Peru nowOct 12 01:45
schestowitzAnd so we cannot fathom the fact they were smartOct 12 01:45
schestowitzOr how about astronomy in Iraq?Oct 12 01:45
schestowitzor the Baghdad battery?Oct 12 01:45
_Goblin:)Oct 12 01:45
schestowitzBecause the West dominates now, we indoctrinate our childrenOct 12 01:46
schestowitzWe teach them the establishments after the insddustrial revolutionsOct 12 01:46
schestowitzBecause prior to that it's embarassingOct 12 01:46
schestowitzBut in Egypt they show kids the pyramidOct 12 01:46
_Goblinschestowitz: after looking further at that (the bagdad battery) I'm thinking its more likely that it was used to decorate jewelryOct 12 01:46
schestowitzPride of that generationOct 12 01:46
schestowitzAnd each has its own wwarped world viewOct 12 01:46
cubezzzwell you can't attribute too much to one personOct 12 01:47
schestowitzto promote nationalism and self esteem tied to some group identityOct 12 01:47
cubezzz I agree with thatOct 12 01:47
schestowitzexcept Jobs :-)Oct 12 01:47
schestowitzHe invented allOct 12 01:47
schestowitzIn one was.. he was...Oct 12 01:47
schestowitz"Cool"Oct 12 01:47
schestowitz"Magic"Oct 12 01:47
cubezzzhe invented the mouse evidently :-POct 12 01:47
schestowitzhttp://www.muktware.com/blogs/2625Oct 12 01:47
schestowitznice guyOct 12 01:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Was Steve Jobs An Inspiration For College Students? | Muktware .::. Size~: 34.48 KBOct 12 01:48
schestowitzpatientOct 12 01:48
schestowitzman of the peopleOct 12 01:48
_GoblinIn answer to the above.....yes....Oct 12 01:48
cubezzzEngelbart, Stallman, Torvalds, all significantOct 12 01:48
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_Goblinlets be honest...who would not want to be as rich as Jobs?Oct 12 01:48
cubezzz40K per year is fineOct 12 01:48
schestowitzmanyOct 12 01:48
schestowitzhe was powerfulOct 12 01:48
schestowitznot just richOct 12 01:48
schestowitzat some stage you're not rich anymoreOct 12 01:49
schestowitzyou can mobilise statesOct 12 01:49
schestowitzThen it's a game of powerOct 12 01:49
_Goblinbut the inspiration could just be his lifestyle funded by his wealth.Oct 12 01:49
schestowitzyou can buy any object you wantOct 12 01:49
_Goblin40k per year is fine...Oct 12 01:49
schestowitzMaybe not countries, but objects (boats, planed)Oct 12 01:49
schestowitzbut to contro, nations...Oct 12 01:49
schestowitzWith armies worth trillionsOct 12 01:49
cubezzzbut not all persue wealthOct 12 01:49
schestowitzfor that you need powrOct 12 01:49
cubezzzStallman is an obvious exampleOct 12 01:49
schestowitzGates is a power player nowOct 12 01:49
_Goblinbut who can say they would turn down a job offer which would reward you the same as Jobs?Oct 12 01:49
schestowitzRunning the edu system into the groundOct 12 01:49
schestowitzand selling patents to poor people, at their children's expenseOct 12 01:50
cubezzzwell would you work for Microsoft?Oct 12 01:50
schestowitzJobs was only starting to become a power playerOct 12 01:50
_Goblinfor the money jobs was on?Oct 12 01:50
schestowitzand he too went into Gates' power gameOct 12 01:50
schestowitzLike ins choolsOct 12 01:50
schestowitzI covered it last monthOct 12 01:50
schestowitzRich people against the real education systemOct 12 01:50
schestowitzamking the kids uber-capitalists and more like ants Oct 12 01:50
cubezzzlet's say they offer you $100K to be an anti-FOSS advocateOct 12 01:50
_Goblinno....Oct 12 01:50
schestowitzobvioiusly Jobs showed you can die early despite beign richOct 12 01:51
_Goblinwhats that £50k?Oct 12 01:51
schestowitzThat's my mom's first reacvtionOct 12 01:51
cubezzzmaybe a bit moreOct 12 01:51
schestowitzStallman is almost 60Oct 12 01:51
schestowitzI hope he lives for another 20Oct 12 01:51
_Goblinthats not much more than what I earn now...and I love my jobnOct 12 01:51
_Goblin*jobOct 12 01:51
schestowitzjobsOct 12 01:51
schestowitz:-)Oct 12 01:51
schestowitzYou know you love him :-)Oct 12 01:51
schestowitzOh, yes you do !!Oct 12 01:52
_Goblinoh I doOct 12 01:52
schestowitz:-)Oct 12 01:52
_Goblinmind you....Oct 12 01:52
cubezzznah, I never liked AppleOct 12 01:52
_GoblinI was wearing those jumpers before himOct 12 01:52
schestowitz[01:51] <_Goblin> thats not much more than what I earn now...and I love my jobnOct 12 01:52
schestowitzFrist pass I read it I love my johnOct 12 01:52
schestowitzwhich would read like, I love my looOct 12 01:52
_GoblinFrist?Oct 12 01:52
_Goblin;)Oct 12 01:52
cubezzzhahaOct 12 01:52
_Goblin"Judge not, lest ye be judged" ;)Oct 12 01:53
schestowitzand I though, what?Oct 12 01:53
schestowitzthen I realised the type wasn't john but jobOct 12 01:53
cubezzzwatch out for the blue loo of death thoughOct 12 01:53
schestowitz*typoOct 12 01:53
cubezzzit's scaryOct 12 01:53
_GoblinI like the typo you made the other nightOct 12 01:53
schestowitzApple makes loo-compatible coloured devicesOct 12 01:53
schestowitzyou can wach them with the same materialsOct 12 01:53
schestowitzmaybe with the same brushOct 12 01:53
_Goblinwhen you called him Steve Jobe....sort of giving him a biblical mantle.Oct 12 01:53
schestowitzit's all the sameOct 12 01:53
schestowitzApple products and Johns... you need to look after them, clean them for the same reason, and watch out for explosionsOct 12 01:55
schestowitzSteve JavaOct 12 01:55
schestowitzDaemonFC: Steve JabbaOct 12 01:55
schestowitz50 lashesOct 12 01:56
_GoblinRight...I'm going to have a smoke...then I think I'll go to bed...Oct 12 01:56
DaemonFChe gets up from his layer to go take a shit and....thunderous applause?Oct 12 01:56
DaemonFC*lairOct 12 01:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Californians beware: @JerryBrownGov vetoes SB914. If you're arrested, cops can search your cell without a warrant https://eff.org/r.D6C #owsOct 12 01:56
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_Goblinan ish*tOct 12 01:56
schestowitzlolOct 12 01:56
schestowitz_Goblin: magicOct 12 01:57
schestowitzHTC magicOct 12 01:57
_GoblinSteve invented those you know Roy.Oct 12 01:57
schestowitzlolOct 12 01:57
schestowitzdidnt' apple sue them over it?Oct 12 01:57
schestowitzTrademark infringementOct 12 01:57
schestowitzJobs' vocabularyOct 12 01:57
DaemonFCThey should have called it the HTC Awesome so they could piss Jono offOct 12 01:57
_Goblinyou do know we'll all be damned for this in Usenet....Oct 12 01:58
schestowitzmaybe htc should pay $1 per phone sold to apple... for the NAMEOct 12 01:58
schestowitzIt's a good word.. expensiveOct 12 01:58
schestowitzit removes the need for substance,... effectiveOct 12 01:58
schestowitz"Why is your phone better?"Oct 12 01:58
schestowitz"can't 'xeplain, 'tis magic"Oct 12 01:58
schestowitz"Ohh..."Oct 12 01:58
schestowitziSh*t4AssOct 12 01:59
schestowitzhypePhone4AssOct 12 01:59
schestowitzhypePhone4fingersOct 12 01:59
schestowitzhe fifth one impedes receptionOct 12 01:59
_GoblinIve got an Apple joke but it will have to wait until pre-show...Oct 12 01:59
_Goblinbecause it can't be explained by textOct 12 02:00
_Goblinyou have to hear the accent to get it....Oct 12 02:00
schestowitzyeah :-)Oct 12 02:00
_Goblinremind me next showOct 12 02:00
_Goblinand for the benefit of COLA trolls......it doesn't involve Steve Jobs.Oct 12 02:01
DaemonFChttp://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cantOct 12 02:01
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_Goblinflash?Oct 12 02:01
_Goblinafford to eat after buying it?Oct 12 02:01
_GoblinI suppose Windows users can write a letter of complaint directly to the CEO......Apple users can't at the moment.Oct 12 02:02
schestowitzapple users don't eatOct 12 02:02
schestowitzthey follow jobs' waysOct 12 02:03
schestowitzhe had a special dietOct 12 02:03
schestowitzsome zen idiocyOct 12 02:03
schestowitzhe thought it would remove the cancer maybeOct 12 02:03
schestowitzso I;ve heardOct 12 02:03
schestowitzsome Buddha quack stuff..Oct 12 02:03
_Goblinthis is going to be so quoted on COLA.Oct 12 02:03
schestowitzWhat I heard is that he had a special dietOct 12 02:03
_Goblin(and that was terrible English from me)Oct 12 02:03
schestowitzAnd that it was not the cancer causing itOct 12 02:03
schestowitzBut I'm no expert on the subjectOct 12 02:04
schestowitz_Goblin: let them quote itOct 12 02:04
schestowitzI'm fine with itOct 12 02:04
schestowitzIf he had a medical condition, he should eat and follow GP's adviceOct 12 02:04
schestowitznot religionus adviceOct 12 02:04
schestowitzhe did go to chemo therapyOct 12 02:04
schestowitzI had family go through thisOct 12 02:04
schestowitzand we don't really know much about Jobs' conditionOct 12 02:05
schestowitzlike Apple itself, this was all secretiveOct 12 02:05
schestowitzwhich works against him tooOct 12 02:05
_GoblinI think theres a conspiracy there... ;)Oct 12 02:05
schestowitzAs some people would say he carrid HIVOct 12 02:05
schestowitzOthers say he followed some spiritual routes rather than handle it in the best known wayOct 12 02:05
schestowitz_Goblin: yes, there isOct 12 02:05
schestowitzbut..Oct 12 02:05
_Goblinwhat do you reckon....this is all just a big scam in order for Steve to assend to his rightful place in the heavens as a diety?Oct 12 02:05
schestowitzHis secrecy works againstOct 12 02:05
schestowitzhimOct 12 02:06
schestowitzsame for secret socieitiesOct 12 02:06
schestowitzif they opened upOct 12 02:06
schestowitzThen people would not alleged they have orgies inside coffins and such nutty stuffOct 12 02:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Plantas #Medicinais - Fitoterapia - Medicina Alternativa - InfoEscola http://goo.gl/W2SQ8Oct 12 02:06
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schestowitz_Goblin: Steve is for sure a deityOct 12 02:06
_GoblinYou do know that Jobs was already written about in the bible....?Oct 12 02:06
schestowitzif not in a spiritual level, then in practiceOct 12 02:07
_Goblinlet me quote...Oct 12 02:07
schestowitzhe has many followersOct 12 02:07
_GoblinFrom the Book of Job:Oct 12 02:07
schestowitzso does the founder of the whole Mormons movementOct 12 02:07
schestowitzTechEYE?Oct 12 02:07
_Goblin"There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. 1:2 And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters. "Oct 12 02:07
_Goblinit gets better....Oct 12 02:07
_Goblinhang fire....Oct 12 02:07
schestowitzkOct 12 02:07
*schestowitz extinguishes selfOct 12 02:08
_Goblin"His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen,"Oct 12 02:08
_Goblin(obviously in biblical times they had to interpret the i products the best way they could...Oct 12 02:08
_Goblinbut heres there proof....Oct 12 02:08
schestowitztheirOct 12 02:08
schestowitz:-pOct 12 02:08
schestowitzme with my typos, who am I to speak? :-)Oct 12 02:08
_Goblinhere's the part which catagorically proves its Steve Jobs that was written about....Oct 12 02:08
_Goblin"and five hundred yoke of oxen and five hundred she asses"Oct 12 02:09
schestowitzwot?Oct 12 02:09
_Goblinthe she asses are obviously apple fanboysOct 12 02:09
_Goblinyoure not interpretting it...Oct 12 02:10
_GoblinI can name one apple she ass that is not currently in the channelOct 12 02:10
schestowitzDrPizza?Oct 12 02:11
DrPizza...Oct 12 02:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ah, the good old days, @parlementumOct 12 02:11
_GoblinSorry wrong quote.....out of context...Oct 12 02:12
_Goblinheres the part where the bible predicts the failure of the iphone with its signal issues. "5:12 He disappointeth the devices of the crafty, so that their hands cannot perform their enterprise."Oct 12 02:12
_Goblintranslated....you would dial a number and get cut off due to dodgy antenna.Oct 12 02:13
schestowitzLOLOct 12 02:14
schestowitzenterprise,, eh?Oct 12 02:14
schestowitzThe blacksmiths?Oct 12 02:15
DaemonFChttp://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=astrologyOct 12 02:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Motorola Solutions spins ruggedized #Android tablet http://ur1.ca/5dmp3Oct 12 02:20
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schestowitztl ;dr :-)Oct 12 02:20
*schestowitz readsOct 12 02:21
schestowitzDaemonFC: it's hilariousOct 12 02:22
schestowitzDaemonFC: "Occupy Wall Street" Should Protest Wall Street Takeover of Health Care http://is.gd/nDhLH2 by the heroic PotterOct 12 02:23
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schestowitzDid you  pay back"?Oct 12 02:23
schestowitz!google doctor money back fromm 50 cent shootingOct 12 02:24
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - 50 Cent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_CentOct 12 02:24
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - G-Unit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-UnitOct 12 02:24
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - 50 Cent | Music Videos, Songs, News, Photos, and Lyrics | MTV | http://www.mtv.com/music/artist/50_cent/artist.jhtmlOct 12 02:24
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - BUSTED!! 50 Cent Lied About Being Shot 9 Times!! - MediaTakeOut ... | http://mediatakeout.com/5870/busted_50_cent_lied_about_being_shot_9_times.htmlOct 12 02:24
DaemonFCGet Sick, And Die Trying To Pay For ItOct 12 02:24
DaemonFC:)Oct 12 02:24
schestowitz:-)Oct 12 02:25
schestowitzfirst time I hear thisOct 12 02:25
DaemonFCnot newsOct 12 02:25
DaemonFChe's still dodging the guy and he's got millions of dollarsOct 12 02:25
schestowitzfor many it's loss of the house paying for the medical billsOct 12 02:25
schestowitzhere we pay NIOct 12 02:25
schestowitzis he still?Oct 12 02:26
schestowitzI remember eading about it in 2003Oct 12 02:26
schestowitzI was in the train station in Birmingham around 3amOct 12 02:26
schestowitzwaiitng to get to Oxford.. and they had those toll Internet thingiesOct 12 02:27
schestowitzReally crapOct 12 02:27
schestowitzWith a metal roll bal you can barely moveOct 12 02:27
schestowitzbut could read some newsOct 12 02:27
DaemonFCyeah, his claim is that since he was poor when the guy saved his life via charity, that he isn't obligated to pay him anything now that he has tons of moneyOct 12 02:32
DaemonFC:)Oct 12 02:32
DaemonFCamazing isn't it?Oct 12 02:32
DaemonFCrich people steal salt packets and straws from McDonalds Oct 12 02:32
DaemonFCthey do anything they can to make sure everyone else gets to subsidize their existenceOct 12 02:33
abeNd-orgNI?Oct 12 02:40
schestowitzNational InsuranceOct 12 02:41
_GoblinRight...I'm done....Oct 12 02:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] 'Natural' breakfast cereals loaded with pesticides and GMOs - explosive new scorecard from Cornucopia reveals all #gmo http://goo.gl/47DFtOct 12 02:45
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_GoblinOff to bed me thinks.....Oct 12 02:45
abeNd-orgah, more used to ni.com where a friend worksOct 12 02:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 11/10/2011: Wine 1.3.30, Sabayon 7 is Coming http://is.gd/keDjpr !techrightsOct 12 02:53
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/84543563Oct 12 02:54
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Oct-11 01:45:48 UTC - Identi.ca: Global Consciousness Project  http://is.gd/7VDcSW good new video on researchOct 12 02:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 11/10/2011: Wine 1.3.30, Sabayon 7 is Coming http://is.gd/keDjpr #techrightsOct 12 02:55
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abeNd-organy of you techrights folks at brainshare?Oct 12 02:55
schestowitzI was invited to gwavacon onceOct 12 02:56
schestowitzby richard Oct 12 02:56
schestowitzhe offered to cover travel expenses too, but for a site that's against Novell it made no sense to attendOct 12 02:56
schestowitzthat's like MS attending Linux events :-)Oct 12 02:57
`Robotekthat's like a crackhead selling crack to rich people.Oct 12 03:01
abeNd-orgrobo im sure that happens more than you would thinkOct 12 03:01
abeNd-orgi think richard wanted to understand just what/why you were againstOct 12 03:01
DaemonFCthey do it because Linux snubbed them when all they ever wanted to do was give it cakeOct 12 03:02
DaemonFC:)Oct 12 03:02
abeNd-orgmy cowokers are at brainshare this yr, ill be going to gwavaconOct 12 03:02
`Roboteksome code doesn't interpret at all.  the parsers are just editors.Oct 12 03:02
schestowitzabeNd-org: I was never against Richard Bliss and his peopleOct 12 03:02
schestowitzI think he knoew thatOct 12 03:03
schestowitzweeks ago he connected to me in linkedinOct 12 03:03
schestowitzbliss had nothing to dio with the MS dealOct 12 03:03
schestowitzbtw, youtube has his daughter do a mock interviww with hovsepian on youtubeOct 12 03:04
schestowitzgnOct 12 03:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] WATCH: Beck's Dark, Gruesome Occupy Wall Street Warning | COLLAPSENET #ows #nwo http://goo.gl/ldhX0Oct 12 03:06
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abeNd-orgbliss (as you probably saw on linkedin) isnt with gwava anymoreOct 12 03:09
abeNd-orgnot sure why not, he was the public face of the company, nice guy too, talked with him for awhile the last gwavacon i was atOct 12 03:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Yes. The early days of film were quite extraordinary.Oct 12 03:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: It's official now: city of Ghent is a living lab. I like what I hear! Deze man is verplicht te volgen d http://ur1. ...Oct 12 04:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @Tanfoglio_ helaas.Oct 12 04:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @jn_cn Ik voel me rot dat project.iRail.be down was. Ik laat je weten als het weer online is.Oct 12 04:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @HackdeOverheid die site draait tenminste al apache. Onze juridische sites draaien op NetScape serversOct 12 04:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @jn_cn @irail Enkel onze documentatie is evenoffline. Maar documentatie is snel gegevenOct 12 04:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @jn_cn Excuses voor dat ongemak! Als er iets is: pieter aŧ iRail.be /cc @tuinslakOct 12 04:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @VincentVQ: Allemaal goed en wel,speuren nr illegale boekendwnloads: http://ur1.ca/5dnya Maar why wo http://ur1. ...Oct 12 04:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @fdenkens: Slecht bankieren voor dummies (that includes me) http://t.co/rNJV5IfxOct 12 04:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp bah, ik had toch een beetje bittere kritiek verwacht.Oct 12 04:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @cubus ik heb nooit begrepen wat ze zeiden. Bij deze bedankt #thanksgivingOct 12 04:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @fdenkens Yup! Looking forward to our meeting :)Oct 12 04:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @jn_cn en is al een jaar oud. Niet perfect maar ook wij hebben geleerd: 5 december is officiële launch versie 2.0Oct 12 04:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @greetd eentje voor jou - http://t.co/1RaqrZIuOct 12 04:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @ajslaghu en we zijn trots op onze IE6 support verdorie! ;)Oct 12 04:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @jn_cn er is overigens al een iOS app, BeTrains genaamd, maar die kan beter: source hier - http://t.co/iprWLcvbOct 12 04:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @jn_cn En eindelijk! http://t.co/qdPbEqnl :)Oct 12 04:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @jn_cn http://t.co/OW3t5Rdf ; stations/ ; en liveboard/?station=gent-sint-pieters bijvoorbeeldOct 12 04:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @VincentVQ Goeie opmerking! Zelfde geldt ook nog steeds voor video on demand via de browserOct 12 04:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Apple AAPL is a market darling.Oct 12 05:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Maybe ask Swedish Die Beauty filmmakers, they are pretty faif so might have used it http://diebeauty.blogspot.com/2010_08_01_archive.htmlOct 12 06:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] btw sounds like a great job for you (combining writing & IT :)Oct 12 06:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] when i just *have* to use photoshop (so i don't go insane), i use virtual box; so far mine is fine <knock wood>Oct 12 06:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Nick-the-cat keeps trying to put me to sleep, and he's winning... off to snoozeland for me... good night !identiverse !tzafOct 12 07:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Shared a post "It's a Gumby Google logo! Pokey is my favorite. Check it out on http://www.google.com/" https://plus.go... http://b1t.it/HjYOct 12 07:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] Vidalia 0.2.15 is out: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/vidalia-0215-outOct 12 07:33
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: Nandan Vaidya - Google+ - It's a Gumby Google logo! Pokey is my favorite. Check it… .::. Size~: 42.06 KBOct 12 07:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Vidalia 0.2.15 is out! | The Tor Blog .::. Size~: 14.17 KBOct 12 07:33
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cubezzzhmmm, eagle II z80 cp/m machine has two parallel portsOct 12 09:43
schestowitz_Goblin: nice to see you fixed those line issues in the image I sent youOct 12 09:47
schestowitzI didn't see these until you put that upOct 12 09:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] S Korea to crack down on Internet users praising N Korea - http://tnw.co/q4BISG gosh, is #southkorea *that* insecure? #censroshipOct 12 09:47
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MinceRgeekingsOct 12 09:53
schestowitzidentica is still slow and unreliable todayOct 12 09:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] This is My Winter - http://bit.ly/nEhgZp yeah, easy, anyone could do that...well, maybe not...Oct 12 10:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Hard-up OpenOffice whips out begging-cap website http://ur1.ca/5drp2 #scoracleOct 12 10:14
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: Hard-up OpenOffice whips out begging-cap website • The Register .::. Size~: 26.91 KBOct 12 10:14
schestowitzMore proof of Oracle's disinterest in open source http://is.gd/PGEyWO #scoracleOct 12 10:17
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sebsebsebhiOct 12 10:24
schestowitzhi sebastianOct 12 10:24
schestowitzidentica has been flaky, did you notice?Oct 12 10:24
sebsebsebschestowitz: you mean slow recently?  it has at times this week yeah been slowOct 12 10:25
schestowitzor inaccessibleOct 12 10:25
sebsebsebschestowitz: yepOct 12 10:25
sebsebsebnoticed thatOct 12 10:25
sebsebsebone of their servers went down or somethingOct 12 10:25
sebsebsebthere was a dent from evanOct 12 10:25
schestowitzhmmm..Oct 12 10:26
schestowitzthey should be better prepared with redundancyOct 12 10:26
sebsebsebschestowitz: tommorow is  a interesting dayOct 12 10:26
schestowitzwhy?Oct 12 10:27
schestowitzoct 15th has people marchingOct 12 10:27
_Goblinschestowitz: I didn't...its just on a white background you can't see them....I'm going to fix it later today on the site.....I love the image though!Oct 12 10:27
sebsebseb_Goblin: So you recenlty became a father again? or first time?Oct 12 10:28
sebsebsebschestowitz: Ubuntu 11.10 of courseOct 12 10:28
sebsebsebschestowitz: how many people will be off to other distros instead I wonder :DOct 12 10:28
sebsebsebI think quite a lotOct 12 10:28
sebsebsebof the more expereinced usersOct 12 10:28
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sebsebsebschestowitz: who aren't fan boys or anything like that :DOct 12 10:29
schestowitz_Goblin: Hong Kong themeOct 12 10:29
schestowitzi think i'll give up on identica for todayOct 12 10:30
sebsebsebschestowitz: Does that mean Twiter as well?Oct 12 10:31
sebsebsebschestowitz: I was thinking about going through my time line, but if it's slow hmmOct 12 10:31
_Goblinsebsebseb: father again.... Oct 12 10:37
_Goblinright...brb....stuff to do...Oct 12 10:37
schestowitzsebsebseb: yes, twiter tooOct 12 10:37
_GoblinRoy....possibly...if you are free tonight, I might be available to record.....Oct 12 10:37
schestowitzso just diaspora for nowOct 12 10:37
schestowitzCOOL!Oct 12 10:37
schestowitz_Goblin: tonight would work great for meOct 12 10:37
schestowitzcause I'm bored todayOct 12 10:37
_Goblincool...I'll see what I can do...Oct 12 10:39
_GoblinbblOct 12 10:39
schestowitzgrrrOct 12 10:47
schestowitzI dragged files over fish:://Oct 12 10:47
schestowitzand it didn't bother asking whether to move or copyOct 12 10:47
schestowitzit just moves them nowOct 12 10:47
schestowitzI'll need to copy em backOct 12 10:48
schestowitzand it'll probably lose file permissisions in the process: X:Oct 12 10:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "That's what Stallman's job is: to be the paladin. Carry on, noble knight!" http://is.gd/tp9eWEOct 12 10:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] What Happens When The Company Backing Up Your Passwords In The Event of Your Death Itself Dies? - http://bit.ly/noEzpc could be big issueOct 12 10:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #LiamFox denies cover-up over reports of burglary at his home http://gu.com/p/32h9q cover up over a burglary? Does he think he's #Nixon?Oct 12 10:48
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koolhead17schestowitz: http://www.tehelka.com/story_main50.asp?filename=Ws101011MICROSOFT.aspOct 12 10:50
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koolhead17:DOct 12 10:50
koolhead17schestowitz: the news is fianally outOct 12 10:50
schestowitzkoolhead17:  I sawOct 12 10:51
schestowitzkatherine linked to itOct 12 10:51
schestowitzVery good articleOct 12 10:51
schestowitzI am gonna cover it laterOct 12 10:51
koolhead17schestowitz: am very happy :POct 12 10:51
schestowitzit's a good article, very detailed tooOct 12 10:51
schestowitzand has cablegate stuff in itOct 12 10:51
koolhead17schestowitz: hehe thanks to you for thatOct 12 10:52
koolhead17:DOct 12 10:52
koolhead17the reporter took 15 days to come out with itOct 12 10:52
koolhead17:DOct 12 10:52
koolhead17you can understandOct 12 10:52
koolhead17schestowitz: am very happy actully :POct 12 10:53
Aondotech support at roccat: I'm glad to hear that you like the Linux drivers from Stefan Achatz so much. We will continue to support this avid user in creating drivers. Oct 12 10:54
Aondoit's good :)Oct 12 10:55
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schestowitzhttp://www.androidguys.com/2011/10/11/samsung-galaxy-nexus-coming-sooner/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+androidguyscom+%28AndroidGuys%29Oct 12 11:30
schestowitzhttp://www.androidguys.com/2011/10/11/samsung-google-lie-reason-galaxy-nexus-delay-rumor/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+androidguyscom+%28AndroidGuys%29Oct 12 11:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Samsung: Galaxy Nexus Coming “Sooner than you Think” › AndroidGuys .::. Size~: 37.84 KBOct 12 11:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Did Samsung and Google Lie About Reason for the Galaxy Nexus Delay? (Rumor) › AndroidGuys .::. Size~: 38.92 KBOct 12 11:30
sebsebsebschestowitz: well this is kind of funOct 12 11:31
*Diablo-D3 finally tries gnome 3Oct 12 11:31
sebsebsebschestowitz: having a tech debate or whatever, about Ubuntu and so onOct 12 11:31
sebsebsebwith well a girl apparnatlyOct 12 11:31
sebsebsebwould normally be with a guy you knowOct 12 11:32
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schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/how-to-check-on-your-internet-connection/1527Oct 12 11:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How to check on your Internet connection | ZDNet .::. Size~: 141.85 KBOct 12 11:39
schestowitzsebsebseb: maybe you two can compile a kernel togetherOct 12 11:39
sebsebsebschestowitz: uh?Oct 12 11:42
sebsebsebschestowitz: no she was telling me how great Unity is now and KUbuntuOct 12 11:42
sebsebsebin 11.10Oct 12 11:42
sebsebseband that kind of thingOct 12 11:43
schestowitzI was jokingOct 12 11:43
schestowitzI could make a ruder jokeOct 12 11:43
sebsebseband suggested I put it on pshyicall hardware and try them out hmmOct 12 11:43
schestowitzlike "you could fsck her hard drive"Oct 12 11:43
sebsebsebno thanks not soon, if ever really, I know what to expect from what I seen before of trying Unity, and what I seen of 11.10Oct 12 11:43
sebsebsebandOct 12 11:43
sebsebsebI knew it would mess up my current boot loader set up if I did thatOct 12 11:43
schestowitzgeeks fidninhg fiel system errors in an afternoonOct 12 11:43
sebsebseband don't want thatOct 12 11:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] GNU/Linux to Win in Russia (Desktops Too) http://is.gd/bRhN4x #russiaOct 12 11:56
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schestowitzhttp://www.htmlgoodies.com/daily_news/microsoft-hopes-to-lure-developers-to-azure-with-webmatrix-2.0.htmlOct 12 11:58
schestowitzLOLOct 12 11:58
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Hopes to Lure Developers to Azure with WebMatrix 2.0 .::. Size~: 39.51 KBOct 12 11:58
schestowitzI'm just going to ignore thatOct 12 11:58
schestowitzjust mentioning it will help it more than anythingOct 12 11:58
schestowitzit's obscureOct 12 11:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Nokia Assembles New Linux Development Team http://is.gd/g9QKVf #linuxOct 12 12:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols: Microsoft's Metro is on the wrong track for many Windows users http://is.gd/tRKrrW #vista8 #windowsOct 12 12:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Apache and IIS’ Web server rival #NGINX is growing fast http://is.gd/uNY1O4 #russia #serverOct 12 12:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Nokia job listing confirms the existence of Meltemi .::. Size~: 70.73 KBOct 12 12:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Metro on the Wrong Track for Many Windows Users - Computerworld .::. Size~: 136.33 KBOct 12 12:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Ubuntu no longer strict about Free software being in the repo http://is.gd/iTZcyV #adobeTrashOct 12 12:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Intel's Brewing A New #Linux Driver Release Cycle http://is.gd/0arP0uOct 12 12:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Bristol City Council all clear for open source http://is.gd/OLMJWSOct 12 12:01
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 64-bit Adobe Flash Player added to Ubuntu repositories - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 38.3 KBOct 12 12:01
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: Bristol City Council all clear for open source - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 38.84 KBOct 12 12:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] AT&T Distributes #Linux http://ur1.ca/5dsgeOct 12 12:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Superb Mini Server 1.6.2 Has Linux Kernel 2.6.39.3 http://is.gd/tiBGoh #gnu #linuxOct 12 12:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Linux Foundation Keeps Growing Fast http://is.gd/J1QNhoOct 12 12:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ATandT announces five Android phones, including Mot's Atrix 2 - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 58.09 KBOct 12 12:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Superb Mini Server 1.6.2 Has Linux Kernel 2.6.39.3 - Softpedia .::. Size~: 46.55 KBOct 12 12:03
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84547282Oct 12 12:04
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Oct-11 11:00:42 UTC - Identi.ca: CyanogenMod 7.1 custom Android firmware released - Update http://is.gd/kRUuY9Oct 12 12:04
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: CyanogenMod 7.1 custom Android firmware released - Update - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 42.23 KBOct 12 12:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] More proof of Oracle's disinterest in open source http://is.gd/PGEyWO #scoracleOct 12 12:05
TechrightsBot-tr@: Oct 12 12:05
schestowitzre NokiaOct 12 12:05
schestowitz"So, what, they just got bored with Maemo and Meego and they wanted to get away from Intel and the Linux Foundation and all?"Oct 12 12:05
schestowitzSeems soOct 12 12:05
schestowitzIn essense, Elop poured gasoline on the old pl,aform for some Microsoft PR (pretending there was demand for WP7), but now the fire is burning, the company is sinking, and they need to run back to Linux.Oct 12 12:07
schestowitzhttp://seekingalpha.com/article/298766-red-hat-perfect-short-candidate-for-this-marketOct 12 12:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Red Hat: Perfect Short Candidate For This Market - Seeking Alpha .::. Size~: 52.96 KBOct 12 12:16
schestowitzLOLOct 12 12:16
schestowitzAnother 'genius'Oct 12 12:16
schestowitzBanks upgrade Red HatOct 12 12:16
schestowitzThis one without any credentials but just a blog says 'short' itOct 12 12:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] This is wrong http://goo.gl/B65u3 because !Googleplus does have a problem to solve; the problem of !Facebook's monopolyOct 12 12:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Is Google+ a solution in search of a problem? - Digg .::. Size~: 38.04 KBOct 12 12:16
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84547330Oct 12 12:27
TechrightsBot-tr@gryps75 (gryps75)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Oct-11 11:03:09 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz That's no news. They had non-free software in the partner-repo since... I don't know .. everOct 12 12:27
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84547437Oct 12 12:29
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Oct-11 11:08:20 UTC - Identi.ca: #Identica seems to have had some physical server issues, which is the case of lag in posts, then a sudden burstOct 12 12:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Trufact! http://xkcd.com/963/ Thanks, X.org. Swell job indeed. !linux !debianOct 12 12:31
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-NickServ-schestowitz!~schestowi@host109-156-94-222.range109-156.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz)Oct 12 12:32
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schestowitzhttp://www.itproportal.com/2011/10/11/canonical-announces-ubuntu-os-support-arm-architecture/Oct 12 12:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Canonical Announces Ubuntu OS to Support ARM Architecture | ITProPortal.com .::. Size~: 40.87 KBOct 12 12:32
sebsebsebschestowitz: Mageia has some sort of ARM support as wellOct 12 12:35
schestowitzmeh. but this is UBUNTU OS!Oct 12 12:36
MinceRnot sparta?Oct 12 12:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm really glad I bought a new kettle. My drinks are noticeably better for itOct 12 12:40
schestowitzarghghghghgOct 12 12:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I've been sitting here watching a Windows system install, along with updates, since about 10am GMT and it still hasn't finishedOct 12 12:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Sam Ramji never really left Microsoft. Now he liaises with familiar Microsoft boosters to generate some whitewashing pieces.Oct 12 13:01
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AdmFubar_good morning all... maybe afternoon or eving for some hereOct 12 13:02
AdmFubar_found this article on the reg. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/11/microsoft_browser_crituque/Oct 12 13:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft flags Firefox and Chrome for security failings • The Register .::. Size~: 27.81 KBOct 12 13:03
AdmFubar_it is a laugh to go to the site..Oct 12 13:03
AdmFubar_went on it with opera, an it states that is can check the security of my browserOct 12 13:04
AdmFubar_soooooo i spoofed the browser id and switched it to say firefoxOct 12 13:04
AdmFubar_lo and behold it get the 2 outta 4 score as in the articleOct 12 13:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Mozilla boss Mitchell Baker stresses open approach for mobile platforms http://is.gd/1l6GRW #firefoxOct 12 13:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mozilla boss Mitchell Baker stresses open approach for mobile platforms - IT News from V3.co.uk .::. Size~: 94.27 KBOct 12 13:05
AdmFubar_switched to to say ie and amazingly it get the 4 outta 4Oct 12 13:05
AdmFubar_:POct 12 13:05
schestowitz:-)Oct 12 13:06
MinceRthe register started shilling for m$ long agoOct 12 13:06
AdmFubar_i love the comedy of errors from ms sponcered sites...Oct 12 13:06
schestowitzindependent and unbiasedOct 12 13:06
schestowitzI went to a creationist siteOct 12 13:06
schestowitzit told me Noah assembled dinosaurs in a wooden boatOct 12 13:06
AdmFubar_what did he buld the dinos out of?Oct 12 13:07
AdmFubar_:))Oct 12 13:07
schestowitzit's metaphorOct 12 13:07
AdmFubar_i knowOct 12 13:07
AdmFubar_:POct 12 13:07
schestowitz:-)Oct 12 13:07
schestowitzthe dinos I meanOct 12 13:07
MinceRlolOct 12 13:08
AdmFubar_answer, he built them out of lies....Oct 12 13:08
schestowitzNot everything can be explained By SCIENCEOct 12 13:08
schestowitzYou AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATHEISTS !!!Oct 12 13:08
schestowitzUsing Microsoft is not about logicOct 12 13:09
schestowitzIt's about what many people around you doOct 12 13:09
schestowitzAbout 90% of the people in the USOct 12 13:09
schestowitzSo not many people explore the other side and question their customsOct 12 13:09
schestowitzWindows and Microsoft built a religionOct 12 13:09
schestowitzApple build a cultOct 12 13:09
schestowitzLinux is academicOct 12 13:10
schestowitzScience projectsOct 12 13:10
schestowitz!Stallman. Oy, where'd you get your MORAL VALUES?!?! huh?"Oct 12 13:10
AdmFubar_uhm all larger businesses in the us operate this way... it is scary...Oct 12 13:10
schestowitzsee the jobs thingOct 12 13:10
schestowitzsee the regOct 12 13:10
schestowitzon the side barOct 12 13:10
schestowitzNow they show me teen jobOct 12 13:11
schestowitzlike it has any relevance to the newsOct 12 13:11
schestowitzjust lousy PROct 12 13:11
schestowitz"oh noes. a rich man died!!!"Oct 12 13:11
schestowitz"Wah!!"Oct 12 13:11
schestowitz"Many people die all the time. But this one was special. He was rich!"Oct 12 13:11
schestowitzhttp://www.muktware.com/blogs/2625 self-centereOct 12 13:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Was Steve Jobs An Inspiration For College Students? | Muktware .::. Size~: 34.42 KBOct 12 13:12
AdmFubar_the apple hype machine was out in full force after his death... they were prepping for that for some time.. youy thing they would have done a better job about jobs knowing what was about to happen...Oct 12 13:12
schestowitzyesOct 12 13:12
schestowitzit's a sales magnetOct 12 13:12
schestowitz"help poor jobs"Oct 12 13:12
schestowitz"preorder a hypePhone4Ass"Oct 12 13:12
schestowitzThis whole PR gig will last them a whileOct 12 13:13
schestowitzBut it's a short-term propupOct 12 13:13
schestowitzThey ally squeezes all that there was in Jobs for thisOct 12 13:13
schestowitzhe's their icon, they really needed to squeeze him hard when he died... folr PROct 12 13:13
schestowitzApple could not be criticised for a weekOct 12 13:13
schestowitzNot in the mainstream press or rags like Daily MailOct 12 13:13
schestowitz"Hey. Our CEO died. Here's an opportunity."Oct 12 13:14
schestowitzLike when hurricanes strikeOct 12 13:14
schestowitzAnd governments seek to exploit the panicOct 12 13:14
schestowitz9/11 too...Oct 12 13:14
schestowitzBy the time Gates die there might no longer be a Microsoft to exploit his deathOct 12 13:14
schestowitzbut there you goOct 12 13:14
schestowitzOld newsOct 12 13:14
schestowitzCompanies use death of people as a moral shield and PROct 12 13:15
schestowitzGaining empathyOct 12 13:15
AdmFubar_well i just wanted to point you to that reg article and how that site about browser "security" works..Oct 12 13:17
AdmFubar_later allOct 12 13:17
schestowitzHere is more Microsoft PR: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/101011-ramji-251772.html?t51hb&hpg1=mpOct 12 13:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sam Ramji: Cloud makes open source 'inevitable' for Microsoft, others .::. Size~: 125.34 KBOct 12 13:18
schestowitzThis guy is making me sick TBHOct 12 13:18
schestowitzLike MArtin and Bill HIlfOct 12 13:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] French Model Specialist Modeliosoft Goes Open Source http://ur1.ca/5dtez #opensourceOct 12 13:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: French Model Specialist Modeliosoft Goes Open Source | Dr Dobb's .::. Size~: 62.23 KBOct 12 13:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Listening to the World at One on Radio 4: the idea of a Judge proof law surely has to raise a smile. Was it intentional I wonder? #watoOct 12 13:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Open source science http://ur1.ca/5dtfz true symbiosisOct 12 13:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Duke Research Blog  » Blog Archive   » Open source science .::. Size~: 23.89 KBOct 12 13:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Where child sacrifice is a business http://goo.gl/14jAsOct 12 13:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BBC News - Where child sacrifice is a business .::. Size~: 63.63 KBOct 12 13:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] why does #Chromium miss the last letter in a headline when copying? on some sites you simply can't highlight the entire lineOct 12 13:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Can default P2P settings break the law? US says yes http://is.gd/j6wRug sharing crimes without even the sharingOct 12 13:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Can default P2P settings break the law? US says yes .::. Size~: 35.18 KBOct 12 13:31
schestowitz??? http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Adobe-the-biggest-WebKit-contributor-you-didn-t-know-about-1356929.htmlOct 12 13:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Adobe: the biggest WebKit contributor you didn't know about - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 41.66 KBOct 12 13:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Student Journalists Sue Community College For Ridiculously High Fees On Open Records Request http://goo.gl/z008gOct 12 13:35
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schestowitzChinese telecom firm tied to spy ministry  http://is.gd/2UBntSOct 12 13:36
schestowitz so basically it's just like AT&T (with CIA). #hyporicyOct 12 13:36
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schestowitzhypocrisyOct 12 13:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Chinese telecom firm tied to spy ministry http://is.gd/2UBntS so basically it's just like AT&T (with CIA). #hypocrisyOct 12 13:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @reality: My haikus are strong / any subject or topic / they're not very longOct 12 14:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] configured new netprinter on few !linux machines. !kde is the most user-friendly here. kde 3.5.x that is... 4.x failed miserably. :/Oct 12 14:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Tell Mastercard: Stop Supporting the Live Dolphin Trade - http://chn.ge/nPn2bz shame on #mastercard #epetitionsOct 12 14:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 12/10/2011: Nokia’s New Linux Team, NGINX Gets Dosh http://ur1.ca/5du2g #techrightsOct 12 14:15
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wood5y/status/124037291961368576Oct 12 14:16
TechrightsBot-tr@wood5y: Bristol City Council's stop-start #opensource project & Computacenter's role as viewed by @schestowitz http://t.co/q3aT3ImFOct 12 14:16
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/84547330Oct 12 14:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @MOGDy: Neue #MOGDy Internetseite auf muenchen.de. Seht sie Euch an unter http://t.co/VRGlexcG #münche http://p.ost.im/p/e6ApL7Oct 12 14:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 12/10/2011: Nokia’s New Linux Team, NGINX Gets Dosh http://ur1.ca/5du2g !techrightsOct 12 14:16
schestowitz^ubuntuOct 12 14:16
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schestowitzI thought they had left Opera, for example, out of itOct 12 14:17
sebsebsebschestowitz: uh catching up on Techbytes here, desktop envrionments is grandOct 12 14:45
sebsebsebschestowitz: Ubuntu 11.04 has Classic Desktop by the way, so yep Mint could take tha and do it's thingOct 12 14:45
sebsebsebschestowitz: it's 11.10 released tommorowo, where yep no Gnome 2 at all anymoreOct 12 14:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] The great Chavez-US propaganda war: Beware of 'al Chaveera' | al Jazeera http://t.co/xLVC3sJnOct 12 14:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] 10 minutes and you know about !China http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/zb84YZR--2w/Oct 12 15:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Facebook Says Some of Your Personal Data Is Its 'Trade Secrets or Intellectual Property' - http://bit.ly/oYZtUj you thought it was *yours*?Oct 12 15:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] will vegetarians or vegans use a distro called Beefy Miracle? #FedoraOct 12 15:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Fairly big thunderstorm in Mumbai right now, yikesOct 12 15:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] How Julian Assange was manufactured into being the enemy of Sweden | ProfBlog http://t.co/X9tOQxox more: http://t.co/1scuh9n5Oct 12 15:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] it's odd though that it doesn't break the copy when the line breaks, but gets passed that only to break on the final letter of the last wordOct 12 15:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Subversion 1.7.0 released http://ur1.ca/5dv32Oct 12 15:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Now detained: Manning-505 days no trial; Assange-319 days no charge; WikiLeaks-323 days US banking blockade http://t.co/t1FujWmEOct 12 15:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Don't worry about zero-days, says Microsoft #FAIL remember #stuxnet ? http://goo.gl/YoGCaOct 12 15:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] German states say "federal trojan" used within legal boundaries #eu #germany #policestate #surveillance http://goo.gl/iZktTOct 12 15:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] We'll have some news about that this week, I think.Oct 12 15:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] We demand a separation of corporation and state. The unlawful blockade against WikiLeaks by VISA-BoA-PayPal proves the problem. #OWSOct 12 16:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Sony gets hacked. Again. http://identi.ca/url/54076610Oct 12 16:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Why the failure of Solyndra is good for solar power http://identi.ca/url/54076870 !scienceOct 12 16:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] VeriSign Wants Ability To Suspend Domains Without Court Order http://identi.ca/url/54076879Oct 12 16:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] #Fedora Ambassadeur Brandon Lozza is helemaal de weg kwijt :-( #sosadOct 12 16:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] you should tell @BrookeBrawl that the 1% intended Freedom of Speech as an illusionOct 12 16:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @neptune78 RT: @BrookeBrawl: Any tweets I send to spread the word about http://t.co/tGQo78L2 are BLOCKED!!!!! What happened to Freed ...Oct 12 16:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @wikileaks2 Now detained: Manning-505 days no trial; Assange-319 days no charge; WikiLeaks-323 days US banking blockade http://t.co/t ...Oct 12 16:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] #ACTA will destroy open Net. #EU may be only hope to kill rights-abusing treaty. Tell MEPs to vote NO on ACTA! http://bit.ly/q3At5iOct 12 17:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Simple Google+ #Bookmarklet by AJ Batac #g+Oct 12 17:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @iurie: There is no such thing as part freedom. -- Nelson Mandela #freedom !q #gnuOct 12 18:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] "CC licensing.. means viewers don't need to wonder about their rights." Why @Category5TV chose #CC BY: http://bit.ly/rrvHTB #openjournalismOct 12 18:32
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_GoblinDesktop PC: 18:33:06 up 10:26,  3 users,  load average: 0.20, 0.24, 0.16Oct 12 18:33
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schestowitz_Goblin: :-)Oct 12 18:45
schestowitzare you read?Oct 12 18:45
schestowitzreadyOct 12 18:45
schestowitzI'm writing 5 more articleOct 12 18:45
schestowitz*arclesOct 12 18:45
schestowitzBTW, Bytes Media got mail todayOct 12 18:45
schestowitzto have its content in Boston University :-)Oct 12 18:46
schestowitz90 studentsOct 12 18:46
schestowitzI know Skeptoid used to advocate this for its podcastOct 12 18:46
schestowitzfree for educational useOct 12 18:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Wednesday's security updates http://ur1.ca/5dx8jOct 12 18:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Post Apocalyptic #Survival Gear: Would you survive the apocalypse? #ghb http://goo.gl/YrFyLOct 12 18:49
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schestowitzhehOct 12 18:50
schestowitz_Goblin: I've just entered curl instead of cush in the CLIOct 12 18:50
schestowitzI blame you for putting this in my mindOct 12 18:50
schestowitzso I downloaded the page I just wanted a short url forOct 12 18:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft’s #UEFI Plans an Attack on the Environment, Not Just GNU/Linux (All in the Name of ‘Security’) http://is.gd/SUVO00Oct 12 18:52
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_Goblinits a nice little commandOct 12 18:53
_Goblinkeep meaning to check out the full scope of what it can doOct 12 18:53
schestowitzI prefer wgetOct 12 18:53
schestowitzgnuOct 12 18:53
schestowitz"Oct 12 18:54
schestowitzMark Taber – about 2 hours agoOct 12 18:54
schestowitzReally liking Diaspora so far, and some really interesting people, subject matter; already subscribed to a new (to me) blog, @OpenBytes...good stuff.Oct 12 18:54
schestowitz"Oct 12 18:54
schestowitzDid you see it?Oct 12 18:54
schestowitzIt's not publicOct 12 18:54
schestowitzSo I cannot link to itOct 12 18:54
_GoblinAh...Oct 12 18:55
schestowitzhttp://www.sxc.hu/photo/1328716Oct 12 18:55
schestowitzhehOct 12 18:55
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_GoblinReally interesting?  I've been called many things in my life.....interesting is not one of themOct 12 18:55
schestowitzCant use itOct 12 18:55
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schestowitzsomeone might choose to feel offendedOct 12 18:55
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_GoblinRight...I'm just finishing off a few chores and then we can set on recording if you wantOct 12 18:56
schestowitzThat'll be better http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1303602Oct 12 18:56
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schestowitz_Goblin: cool. holla when  you rollOct 12 18:56
_Goblinwill do.....Oct 12 18:57
_GoblinIve just been called to bring Jeremy Kyle to the bath......I'll let you try and work that one out....answer when I returnOct 12 18:58
schestowitzon a usb stick?Oct 12 18:58
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_Goblinback....Oct 12 18:59
_Goblinnope....its what Daniel calls his toy rubber lizzardOct 12 18:59
_Goblinprobably after having to sit through the jeremy kyle show with shell...that where he got the name fromOct 12 18:59
schestowitzthat sounds wrong for so many reasonsOct 12 18:59
schestowitz[18:59] <_Goblin> nope....its what Daniel calls his toy rubber lizzardOct 12 18:59
_Goblinyep....Oct 12 18:59
_GoblinOh....I thought you meant the Jeremy Kyle partOct 12 19:00
_Goblinthis lizard actually looks quite realistic.....put it in a glass tank and I think you could fool people into thinking its realOct 12 19:01
schestowitzNo, I meant...Oct 12 19:01
schestowitzsn*t could accuse you of pedopheliaOct 12 19:01
schestowitzThr trolls are very nastyOct 12 19:01
_GoblinI'm sure he wouldn't......he's got kids himself and theres probably all sorts of silly names for their toys tooOct 12 19:01
schestowitzyesterday the ender toll did somrthing similarOct 12 19:02
schestowitzpretending not to understandOct 12 19:02
schestowitzor having very bad reading comprehension skillsOct 12 19:02
_GoblinDaniel hasnt got a "Roy" toy yet....however everytime a plane goes over the house he points and says "Uncle Roy"Oct 12 19:03
_GoblinI think he thinks you are a pilotOct 12 19:03
_GoblinI was looking through COLA the other day....Oct 12 19:04
_Goblinits good tabloid entertainment.Oct 12 19:05
_Goblinbtw I'm now getting around to making a script that will dump an entire timeline of a user to a textfile.Oct 12 19:07
_Goblin(identi.ca/twitter timeline)Oct 12 19:10
schestowitzcoolOct 12 19:13
*schestowitz writing ferociouslyOct 12 19:13
schestowitzthe back-end server I ran the scipt onOct 12 19:14
schestowitz4400+ ogg downloads since SundayOct 12 19:14
_GoblinRE: Mark Taber..... I think I'm no longer interesting to him....he's stopped following me!Oct 12 19:14
_Goblinthat was quickOct 12 19:14
schestowitz1637 mp3Oct 12 19:14
schestowitzin 3 daysOct 12 19:14
_Goblinusually people know me for at least a day before running.Oct 12 19:14
schestowitzwowOct 12 19:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] Another solid CyanogenMod release http://ur1.ca/5dxctOct 12 19:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Pushing Hard for #swpats in #Europe While Halliburton Makes British/European Patent Lawyers Happy http://is.gd/DC0mfQOct 12 19:15
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schestowitzand we're just 11 months oldOct 12 19:15
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_Goblinschestowitz: Im onOct 12 19:42
schestowitzokOct 12 19:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Up and coming Linux developer gets his first patch accepted, wins LF #linuxtraining scholarship. Profiled here: http://bit.ly/n8TIX5Oct 12 19:46
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koolhead17schestowitz :POct 12 19:50
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84554065 http://identi.ca/notice/84554403 http://identi.ca/notice/84554065Oct 12 20:14
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Oct-11 18:31:08 UTC - Identi.ca: Updates on the Patent Fight Against #Google http://ur1.ca/5dyft #swpatsOct 12 20:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] » Ron Paul to Herman Cain at Bloomberg Debate: “Spoken Like a True Insider! Alex Jones' Infowar http://goo.gl/Kv8JpOct 12 20:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Patent Tax From the Back Door http://ur1.ca/5dyte #swpatsOct 12 20:14
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Oct-11 18:49:19 UTC - Identi.ca: #Microsoft Attacks #GNU #Linux to Enslave Poor Children http://ur1.ca/5dylb #indiaOct 12 20:15
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TechrightsBot-trNot a dent?Oct 12 20:15
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84553792  http://identi.ca/notice/84553014 http://identi.ca/notice/84554845Oct 12 20:15
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Oct-11 18:13:12 UTC - Identi.ca: #Microsoft Pushing Hard for #swpats in #Europe While Halliburton Makes British/European Patent Lawyers Happy http://is.gd/DC0mfQOct 12 20:15
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Oct-11 17:22:14 UTC - Identi.ca: OpenSUSE: Openwashing Microsoft Linux (or Why Not to Participate in OpenQA) http://is.gd/0xeeU9 #suse #linux #opensuse #openqaOct 12 20:16
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Oct-11 19:13:35 UTC - Identi.ca: #Microsoft Patent Tax From the Back Door http://ur1.ca/5dyte  #swpatsOct 12 20:16
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schestowitz http://identi.ca/notice/84554403 http://identi.ca/notice/84554065Oct 12 20:16
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Oct-11 18:49:19 UTC - Identi.ca: #Microsoft Attacks #GNU #Linux to Enslave Poor Children http://ur1.ca/5dylb #indiaOct 12 20:16
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Oct-11 18:31:08 UTC - Identi.ca: Updates on the Patent Fight Against #Google http://ur1.ca/5dyft #swpatsOct 12 20:17
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cubezzzsome folks on the net are saying the UK is one of the worst places for FOSSOct 12 20:26
schestowitzyesOct 12 20:26
schestowitzlikely spOct 12 20:26
schestowitzsoOct 12 20:26
cubezzz but then I see a lot of folks with British accents on youtube using AROS and LinuxOct 12 20:26
schestowitzworse than the US in some waysOct 12 20:26
schestowitzBut Microsoft also reigns AustraliaOct 12 20:27
cubezzzhow is it worse?Oct 12 20:27
schestowitzit's all "IP" this, IP that hereOct 12 20:27
cubezzzhmmmOct 12 20:27
cubezzzbut Canonical is based in London...Oct 12 20:28
cubezzzCanada doesn't seem to be too great, but I think it's improving slightlyOct 12 20:30
*`Phoenix is now known as `RobotekOct 12 20:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is joshix with 153 dents!Oct 12 20:39
cubezzz"Birmingham came close to installing Ubuntu on all the city's libraries last year; apparently they chickened out because they were concerned the systems wouldn't be compatible with many of Joe Public's flash drives. (although there was a rumour that MS slipped them a large bung in the form of heavily discounted licenses)"Oct 12 20:48
schestowitzyahOct 12 20:49
schestowitzfrom around 2006/7Oct 12 20:49
schestowitzI covered this at the timeOct 12 20:49
cubezzzI figured you knew about itOct 12 20:49
cubezzzour libraries suck tooOct 12 21:11
cubezzzat least my ISP is linux friendlyOct 12 21:13
cubezzzit's a freenet... one of the fewOct 12 21:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Internet industry sends new letter to Congress opposing #ProtectIP Act: https://eff.org/r.3DE; Send your own: https://eff.org/r.17POct 12 21:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] The Humble Frozenbyte Synapse Bundle closes in 2 hours. Support EFF and download super-cool video games at: humblebundle.comOct 12 21:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] US Intelligence Mining Your Social Network Data http://goo.gl/p6WmAOct 12 22:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] That Didn't Take Long: #Amazon Sued For #Patent Infringement For New #Kindle Fire Tablet http://goo.gl/7xVOl erm.... #innovation?Oct 12 22:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Matt Taibbi's suggested Occupy Wall Street demands http://identi.ca/url/54081760Oct 12 22:32
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MinceRgnOct 12 22:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Not a problem. We don't actually use that info anyways.Oct 12 22:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] We'll probably have some news on that soon.Oct 12 22:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @m0n0 GNU fdisk 2.0 Has Been Rewritten http://ur1.ca/5dz37 !gnu #storageOct 12 22:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Comunicat al Casei Regale a României http://ur1.ca/5e010 #romania #monarchy #diaconescuOct 12 22:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] 15 Things I Did After Installing New #Ubuntu 11.10 Oneiric Ocelot http://ur1.ca/5e01f #gnu #linuxOct 12 22:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Just Say ‘No’ to ACTA http://ur1.ca/5dwt3 #acta #swpats #europe #eu #ecOct 12 22:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Disk image manipulation in Linux http://ur1.ca/5e032 #gnu #linux #storageOct 12 22:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Ion #Diaconescu, who helped #Romania become democratic, dies at age 94 http://ur1.ca/5e03sOct 12 22:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The State of #Diaspora and #Fundraising Round Two http://ur1.ca/5dzr6Oct 12 23:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] An introduction from Antonio Acuna, new Head of Data.gov.uk - http://bit.ly/q9E0SB "refreshing, exciting, and most of all inspiring."Oct 12 23:02
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DaemonFChttp://i.imgur.com/sDkuZ.jpgOct 12 23:05
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_Goblinschestowitz: Did you get an email from the Diaspora team? - I'm certainly going to help.Oct 12 23:16
cubezzzgot .Xdefaults figured out mostlyOct 12 23:17
cubezzzschestowitz, you can make motif look good :)Oct 12 23:17
_Goblinschestowitz: obviously it was sent out on mass, but if anything deserves help its DiasporaOct 12 23:17
schestowitz_Goblin: just started encodingOct 12 23:23
schestowitzit taqkes longer to editOct 12 23:23
schestowitzmaking song transitions and allOct 12 23:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Just finished recording episode 64 of TechBytes......on 1/11/11 it will have been running a year!Oct 12 23:23
schestowitznow making  versions, will be done tomorrowOct 12 23:23
_Goblinschestowitz: thats cool....just remember to get the beginning of the show right!Oct 12 23:24
schestowitzcubezzz: i don't think any toolkit ever bothers ovrerriding motif default renderingOct 12 23:24
schestowitz_Goblin: yesOct 12 23:24
cubezzz.XdefaultsOct 12 23:24
schestowitzthe way I do it is like thisOct 12 23:24
schestowitzopen 6 filesOct 12 23:24
cubezzzyou can change colours and fonts for startersOct 12 23:24
schestowitzmake all monoOct 12 23:24
schestowitzget silence sample from end, remove noise from main trackOct 12 23:25
_GoblinI'll call icazzaOct 12 23:25
schestowitzthen set the volume right for all 6 channelsOct 12 23:25
schestowitzthen aliging the channels with some fade insOct 12 23:25
schestowitzI use a leveller today because volumes were still not perfect, but far better than last timeOct 12 23:26
schestowitzthe rest is not tampered withOct 12 23:26
schestowitzfide in for songs is the only read modificationOct 12 23:26
schestowitzso people know it's raqOct 12 23:26
schestowitzraqOct 12 23:26
schestowitzrawOct 12 23:26
schestowitzburps includedOct 12 23:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Sony hacked again, with 93,000 accounts compromised http://goo.gl/A0OAs #sonyOct 12 23:27
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cubezzzyou don't need a toolkit to change stuffOct 12 23:27
cubezzzbut .Xdefaults stuff is not well documentedOct 12 23:27
schestowitz"> If you really want to help linux then use your influence to get google to honestly, cleanly acquire lawful rights to me IP immediately. I will not talk to anyone with open source but a would do a deal with google and help them fight off apple and linux's biggest enemy: msft. But it has to be immediate. No gaming me with stalling. "Oct 12 23:35
schestowitzJust got this by mailOct 12 23:35
schestowitzDoesn't seem politeOct 12 23:35
DaemonFCX  is what you get when software is produced before being defined and can be extended in any wayOct 12 23:36
DaemonFC:)Oct 12 23:36
cubezzzah, people never learned XOct 12 23:36
cubezzzthey don't use xlib directly these days, and they don't understand .XdefaultsOct 12 23:38
cubezzzI admit, it's pretty complicatedOct 12 23:38
schestowitzi never even touch that fileOct 12 23:41
schestowitzwhat do you use in motif. Do you develop with/for it?Oct 12 23:41
cubezzzI develop stuff yesOct 12 23:42
schestowitzI think wms like twm might still use itOct 12 23:42
schestowitzwhy not use gtk then?Oct 12 23:42
schestowitzI used gtk, you can also use glade if you don't want to do it by handOct 12 23:42
cubezzzwell for one thing, I wanted to write something that would work on old Linux and new Linux bothOct 12 23:42
sebsebsebschestowitz: _Goblin  Oh dear someone who used to use Mandriva for years, is now packaging for KubuntuOct 12 23:42
cubezzzmotif seemed to be the oldest, and it's still works on new LinuxOct 12 23:43
_Goblinno bad thing... is it?Oct 12 23:43
sebsebseb_Goblin: yep that's a bad thingOct 12 23:43
sebsebsebI thinkOct 12 23:43
sebsebsebreallyOct 12 23:43
_Goblinwhy?Oct 12 23:43
sebsebseb_Goblin: since he would be better off helping with a smaller distro such as MageiaOct 12 23:43
sebsebsebreallyOct 12 23:43
sebsebseb_Goblin: Ubuntu has loads of people and loads of money alreadyOct 12 23:44
_Goblinor making a bigger one better..? - Last time I checked Mandriva wasn't doing too bad eitherOct 12 23:44
sebsebsebhelping with smaller distros would be more construcitve I thinkOct 12 23:44
sebsebseb:)Oct 12 23:44
sebsebsebnow daysOct 12 23:44
sebsebsebfor people who are going to start helipng with a distroOct 12 23:44
_Goblinsebsebseb: I don't think it has loads of money...last I heard it still requires Shuttleworth funds...Oct 12 23:44
sebsebseb_Goblin: true, but it's the most hyped up one and all thatOct 12 23:44
sebsebsebother distros :DOct 12 23:44
sebsebsebanyway 11.10 comes outOct 12 23:45
cubezzzthere's layers to Linux that not many people even know aboutOct 12 23:45
sebsebseband I really do think, quite a lot of the more expereinced users will be off to  other distrosOct 12 23:45
_Goblinsebsebseb: but then Linux needs a focal point for new users otherwise the sheer diversity of linux can put many offOct 12 23:45
sebsebsebsince Unity and no Gnome 2 anymore, and  some may leave for other reasons as well such as Software Centre offering propritary software for saleOct 12 23:45
_Goblinits a little like how Firefox got people off IE and then got them looking at other browsers.Oct 12 23:45
sebsebseb_Goblin: Linux Mint is a much better distro to start a new user on really than Ubuntu itself now,  unless someone likes Unity of courseOct 12 23:45
_Goblinbut its based on Ubuntu is it not?Oct 12 23:46
sebsebsebyep, and a version based on DebianOct 12 23:46
schestowitz[23:44] <_Goblin> sebsebseb: I don't think it has loads of money...last I heard it still requires Shuttleworth funds...     << there seem to be contradictory reports abut whether it still operates at a loss or not, but it's a private company, so it's not easy to tellOct 12 23:46
sebsebseb,but it's Ubuntu done right basically :DOct 12 23:46
cubezzzthe canonical operating system does everything you want and in the simplest wayOct 12 23:46
_Goblinso then many others benefit from Canonical being big?Oct 12 23:46
DaemonFCKDE gets this reputation for bloat, but most of that is just caused by system services of questionable importanceOct 12 23:46
DaemonFCwhich can be shut offOct 12 23:46
DaemonFC:)Oct 12 23:46
sebsebsebcubezzz: and some distros are much more easy to use than Ubuntu itself, quite a few I can think of, for most usersOct 12 23:46
sebsebsebreallyOct 12 23:46
DaemonFCthat kde lowfat configuration is pretty nice reallyOct 12 23:46
cubezzzyou want old fat?Oct 12 23:47
cubezzzmwmOct 12 23:47
_Goblinso really the chap helping Ubuntu is good, since it means not only do canonical win but so do all the other distros (some small) derived from it.Oct 12 23:47
cubezzzthat's low fat :)Oct 12 23:47
sebsebseb_Goblin: no most other distros do not really win at all, when Ubuntu steals most of the usersOct 12 23:47
sebsebseb_Goblin: and so developers as wellOct 12 23:47
sebsebsebfor Desktop Linux as a whole  ditrowiseOct 12 23:47
sebsebseb_Goblin: the smaller distros would be much better for example, if they had more develoeprs, but nope,  quite a lot will just go for Ubuntu for exampleOct 12 23:48
_GoblinBut if we agree that many distros are derived from Ubuntu and the work of its volunteers...its not just canonical that win is it?Oct 12 23:48
sebsebsebpackagers and such I meanOct 12 23:48
_Goblinalot of distros use the Canonical reposOct 12 23:48
cubezzzall the distros are pretty bloatedOct 12 23:48
sebsebseb_Goblin: and most of the distros based on Ubuntu are quite pointless really, with the exception of Linux Mint, and I think Trisquel from what I been reading and such  is probably an exception as wellOct 12 23:48
DaemonFC_Goblin: The core Ubuntu system is mostly just Debian SidOct 12 23:48
_Goblinso probably more people will benefit from the chap packaging from them...Oct 12 23:48
DaemonFCI think some people base off Ubuntu for the PR valueOct 12 23:48
sebsebsebDaemonFC: bingoOct 12 23:49
cubezzzFedora gets fatter and fatter Oct 12 23:49
sebsebsebDaemonFC: exactly they base off Ubuntu, because it's so popularOct 12 23:49
_GoblinI think the FSF would disagree...Oct 12 23:49
_Goblinisn't DYNE:Bolic based off Ubuntu?Oct 12 23:49
cubezzz512 megs no longer enoughOct 12 23:49
_Goblinand thats recommended by the FSFOct 12 23:49
sebsebsebI am really hopeingOct 12 23:49
sebsebsebthings become more general soonOct 12 23:49
sebsebsebas inOct 12 23:49
DaemonFCTrisquel is based on Ubuntu and recommended by the FSFOct 12 23:50
sebsebsebquite a lot of new users,  coming to other distros who used to use Ubuntu for yearsOct 12 23:50
DaemonFCsince my video is a frame buffer Oct 12 23:50
DaemonFCand my network won't workOct 12 23:50
sebsebseband I think it's liley to happen, read quite a lot of this stuff on the webOct 12 23:50
_GoblinDaemonFC: yep, forgot about that oneOct 12 23:50
DaemonFC:)Oct 12 23:50
schestowitzApproved or "Recommended"?Oct 12 23:50
sebsebseba lot of people not happy with the direction Ubuntu is going in now Unity and so onOct 12 23:50
_GoblinI thought recommendedOct 12 23:50
DaemonFCanything the FSF recommends, stay awayOct 12 23:50
_GoblinWe were talking about that tonight...Oct 12 23:50
sebsebsebI want users to ideally choose their own distro as wellOct 12 23:50
DaemonFCit just means your computer won't workOct 12 23:50
sebsebsebnot just go for the one that is most hyped upOct 12 23:50
_Goblinin reference to Unity, it seems theres been a change in acceptance now its become more matureOct 12 23:50
schestowitzRMS' "yes sirrie" listOct 12 23:50
cubezzzyou have to do certification testing...Oct 12 23:50
sebsebsebor  the second most huyped or maybe 3rd hyped up, but ideally for most  new users, do some proper resarch about distros, then pick a distro them selvesOct 12 23:50
cubezzzyou can't just say Blankity-blank works on new systemsOct 12 23:51
schestowitzsireeOct 12 23:51
_Goblinsebsebseb: its a nice idea, but in reality it doesn't workOct 12 23:51
sebsebseblike I did in 2004, I had to dom some reasrch about distros and then decide what to go forOct 12 23:51
sebsebseb_Goblin: it used to work before moreOct 12 23:51
DaemonFCThere's some distributions that make decisions about nonfree software or drivers without asking the user thoughOct 12 23:51
DaemonFCand I think that is wrongOct 12 23:51
sebsebseb_Goblin: ,but then Ubuntu got  all hyped and all thatOct 12 23:51
DaemonFCSabayon is one of themOct 12 23:51
_Goblinsebsebseb: a new user not only has to pick a distro, but then has to consider gnome KDE et al...for someone non tech interested and been running Windows, thats a frightening place.Oct 12 23:52
DaemonFCoffering it and preinstalling it are two different thingsOct 12 23:52
cubezzzwill your old distro still work well on old computers? Probably notOct 12 23:52
sebsebseb_Goblin: yep, but can resarch that whilst at itOct 12 23:52
cubezzzerr, new distro I meantOct 12 23:52
_Goblinsebsebseb: But if Linux is never hyped then it can never hope to be heard over MS or AppleOct 12 23:52
_Goblinsebsebseb: fight fire with fire.Oct 12 23:52
sebsebseb_Goblin: Ubuntu is hype,  there are many other distros, that really for many new users to Desktop Linux, would be just as good for them, or better even for someOct 12 23:52
cubezzzso you only know the outside layer of the onionOct 12 23:52
DaemonFCthrowing in FGLRX without asking is bad, it causes a lot of problems I would rather not deal withOct 12 23:52
sebsebseb_Goblin: also many people think Linux = Ubuntu now reallyOct 12 23:52
_Goblinsebsebseb: I'd agree theres many distros that new users can find easy however....Oct 12 23:53
DaemonFCbut there's a few distros that go this route over the "it just works" argumentOct 12 23:53
_Goblinsebsebseb: Ubuntu has a very established and large community which for a new user who is unsure, is probably far better....Oct 12 23:53
sebsebseb_Goblin: Linux does not =  Ubuntu   Linux = a kerenl and distros = choice, and the user should do some reasarch ideally and choose their own distro :)Oct 12 23:53
sebsebseb_Goblin: dependsOct 12 23:53
_Goblinsebsebseb: Its Linux != Ubuntu and of course.....but if Ubuntu is a focal point for new users that no bad thing...Oct 12 23:54
DaemonFCI'd like to see a SUSE Studio type thing based on Fedora or Debian or UbuntuOct 12 23:54
_GoblinyepOct 12 23:54
_GoblinDaemonFC: I said that the other nightOct 12 23:54
sebsebseb_Goblin: however that's the general idea, oh Ubuntu has such a huge community, so that distro must be realyl great, that's what the average end user would think, but uh that's a bit like saying oh Windows is so great, because it has most users out of any OSOct 12 23:54
schestowitzUbuntu is a *Particular* PenguinOct 12 23:54
schestowitzJust not a particularly polite one :-)Oct 12 23:54
cubezzzexactly, you can't say McDonalds is the best restaurant eitherOct 12 23:55
cubezzzjust the most commonOct 12 23:55
sebsebsebcubezzz: in reply to me?Oct 12 23:55
DaemonFCschestowitz: Ubuntu Forums is the sewerOct 12 23:55
schestowitzyou can't say McDonalds is the best restaurantOct 12 23:55
DaemonFCif you say you dislike Unity, someone pipes in and tells you to use WindowsOct 12 23:55
schestowitzyou can't say McDonalds is a restaurantOct 12 23:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Colombus could have been Greek http://identi.ca/url/54082429 !scienceOct 12 23:55
DaemonFCas I pointed out the other dayOct 12 23:55
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cubezzzis windows an OS, or just a control mechanism?Oct 12 23:55
DaemonFCthey're very hostile to usersOct 12 23:55
schestowitzno more than a hot dog standOct 12 23:55
DaemonFCthey have this arbitrary pecking orderOct 12 23:55
_Goblinsebsebseb: well as a starting point it may well be... but in terms of amount of users you misunderstood what I meant, what I mean is that a large community makes people feel more secured with having so many people to get advice from....a new user does not want to believe that they are in a small group.....they want to know theres plenty of help about.Oct 12 23:55
cubezzzI live in a Linux houseOct 12 23:56
DaemonFCschestowitz: Ubuntu Forums deleted Kubuntu's subform a while backOct 12 23:56
_Goblincubezzz: me tooOct 12 23:56
DaemonFCthe official Kubuntu forum is kubuntuforums.netOct 12 23:56
sebsebseb_Goblin: yeah that's trueOct 12 23:56
cubezzzso there's lots of support :)Oct 12 23:56
Diablo-D3soOct 12 23:56
schestowitzsubform?Oct 12 23:56
Diablo-D3I tried gnome 3Oct 12 23:56
DaemonFCsome sneaky little parking page is on the .org oneOct 12 23:56
Diablo-D3DEAR LORD DOES IT.. wait, let me dent thisOct 12 23:56
DaemonFC*subforumOct 12 23:56
_Goblincubezzz: does a broken x360 still mean I live in a MS household?Oct 12 23:56
schestowitzcue dick remarkOct 12 23:56
cubezzz_Goblin, I'll give you a free passOct 12 23:57
_Goblin:)Oct 12 23:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Enron whistle-blower praises rise of WikiLeaks http://t.co/wxyf98jZOct 12 23:57
TechrightsBot-tr@: Oct 12 23:57
DaemonFCI think they're doing these things to make Kubuntu seem less supported by CanonicalOct 12 23:57
*hemimaniac (~Hemi@dsle242.ody.ca) has joined #techrightsOct 12 23:57
DaemonFClike the only "right" choice is what they tell you to use in UbuntuOct 12 23:57
Diablo-D3[06:56:40] <_Goblin> cubezzz: does a broken x360 still mean I live in a MS household?Oct 12 23:57
Diablo-D3well, what else would you prop the couch up with?Oct 12 23:57
_Goblinthats true....Oct 12 23:57
_Goblinor get stuff out of cupboards...Oct 12 23:58
Diablo-D3or use as a cupholderOct 12 23:58
_Goblinalthough, its case is rather flimsy.Oct 12 23:58
*Diablo-D3 should register "doesmy360stillhavearedringofdeath.com" -> "Yes."Oct 12 23:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] I tried Gnome 3, it sucks badly. Home sweet !XFCE. Gnome 3 has no place on !LinuxOct 12 23:58
cubezzzhey, my Sega Genesis still worksOct 12 23:59

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