IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: October 18th, 2011

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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Downgraded WinE to Ver 1.2 (Stable), Sound works like a charm again (phew) #ubuntu 11.10		Oct 18 00:09
koolhead17	schestowitz but i get ACER with Limpus	Oct 18 00:12
koolhead17	and i format later with ubuntu	Oct 18 00:13
*koolhead17 wonders if jono is half-asleep :P		Oct 18 00:13
sebsebseb	koolhead17: http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement	Oct 18 00:14
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koolhead17	sebsebseb: you think that will stop OEM to adopt to MSFT says>	Oct 18 00:15
koolhead17	schestowitz i been told OEM are not paid by MSFT to load those virusprone OS	Oct 18 00:15
koolhead17	what do u say	Oct 18 00:15
koolhead17	:P	Oct 18 00:16
koolhead17	or simplply laugh	Oct 18 00:16
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jono	koolhead17, no, I am working	Oct 18 00:18
koolhead17	jono: ooh ok!! :)	Oct 18 00:19
jono	:-)	Oct 18 00:19
*koolhead17 watching thriller movie		Oct 18 00:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Thanks, @lxoliva. I regard open source as a game we play that uses capitalism's lack of a soul to spread software freedom.		Oct 18 00:24
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DaemonFC	http://www.macworld.co.uk/apple-business/news/index.cfm?newsid=3306293	Oct 18 00:28
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sebsebseb	schestowitz: not sure how I ended up in the wrong channel	Oct 18 00:57
sebsebseb	well anyway as I was saying	Oct 18 00:57
sebsebseb	have you added your name? http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement	Oct 18 00:57
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DaemonFC	" Most American Christians probably think the Book of Judges was written by Antonin Scalia" -me	Oct 18 01:04
schestowitz	notorious Republican chubby jusde.../ :-)	Oct 18 01:05
schestowitz	One day Tea Part, the next day a courtroom of national importance...	Oct 18 01:05
DaemonFC	he applies a strict constitutional interpretation, as long as it agrees with him	Oct 18 01:06
DaemonFC	schestowitz: I wonder if it would be better if the judges did have to answer directly to the people	Oct 18 01:08
DaemonFC	through elections	Oct 18 01:08
DaemonFC	the theory behind them being appointed for life is that they can make controversial decisions without having to worry about angering voters	Oct 18 01:08
schestowitz	or God	Oct 18 01:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] I think other OS's such as !Linux distros should be able to boot on #Windows 8 PCs, and so I added my name not long ago: http://ur1.ca/5fg95		Oct 18 01:10
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DaemonFC	Indiana election law was tweaked	Oct 18 01:11
DaemonFC	starting this year, candidates who run unopposed will not be on the ballot, they just win by default	Oct 18 01:12
DaemonFC	there were so many unopposed that this hides what a sham process of voting in local and state elections is I guess	Oct 18 01:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] TeK > Amazon dispensa editoras e negoceia diretamente com os autores http://goo.gl/aD8DI		Oct 18 01:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #NoScript For #Android Devices Released - Slashdot #flosstools http://goo.gl/jJeqL		Oct 18 01:20
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sebsebseb	Hi twitter	Oct 18 01:25
*twitter is now known as Guest59094		Oct 18 01:25
sebsebseb	this is Identica :D	Oct 18 01:25
Guest59094	hi	Oct 18 01:26
Guest59094	looks like the nickserve decided that my real name can't be "twitter"	Oct 18 01:26
Guest59094	anyway.	Oct 18 01:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Yes ... it helps keep the world fun :)		Oct 18 01:27
Guest59094	Guess who showed up on Matt Cutts' thread to defend their old pal, Florian Mueller?	Oct 18 01:27
Guest59094	Jack Schofield - +Mark Summerfield If you're an analyst you work for whoever offers to pay you enough money for it to be worth the effort. If you think that means you agree with your clients' views then you are deranged. +Matt Cutts is basically trolling for fanboy support and it's a cheap trick. If Google wants to pay +Florian Mueller an appropriate sum for an equivalent independent analysis, then I'd be surprised if he wouldn't	Oct 18 01:27
Guest59094	He'll probably erase his comments when he gets enough heat, just like he did over at ZDNet when Roy called him out.	Oct 18 01:28
Guest59094	Miguel also showed up.	Oct 18 01:28
Guest59094	"Watching all the animosity towards Florian on this thread, I would love to know what exactly Florian has done that has got so many people upset at his work. He has become the go-to site for understanding what is happening on the mobile patent battles, a resource like no other, and if he is actually concealing critical information, distorting information or lying, I think we ought to know.	Oct 18 01:29
Guest59094	So far, the tweets today from Googlers were all innuendo and accusatory along the lines of "I knew it, he was payed all along", but there is little substance to support this.	Oct 18 01:29
Guest59094	This to me feels very un-Googly."	Oct 18 01:29
DaemonFC	http://inhabitat.com/all-electric-delorean-car-to-hit-the-streets-in-2013/	Oct 18 01:31
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: All-Electric DeLorean Car To Hit the Streets in 2013! \| Inhabitat - Green Design Will Save the World .::. Size~: 188.28 KB	Oct 18 01:31
DaemonFC	http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/broadband/370561/britains-broadband-censors-a-bunch-of-students	Oct 18 01:32
DaemonFC	lol	Oct 18 01:32
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Guest59094	Ick, Miguel continues,eiving end of their "digging for truth" and it did not feel like debating Noam Chomsky. It felt like being chased by a mob of zombies. So there we have it, everything you have provided so far are not cases of distortion, lies, or missing information. We have a case of someone that you strongly disagree with, but instead of accepting that not everyone has the same opinions, the only possible explanation you can must	Oct 18 01:33
Guest59094	The should start with, -> "Groklaw is an advocacy site with some shady practices like "sandboxing" comments they dislike:	Oct 18 01:34
Guest59094	http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/groklaw-accused-of-censorship/7826	Oct 18 01:34
Guest59094	I have been on the receiving end of their "digging for truth" and it did not feel like debating Noam Chomsky. It felt like being chased by a mob of zombies."	Oct 18 01:34
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Guest59094	Oh look, he references ZDNet.	Oct 18 01:35
Diablo-D3	lol	Oct 18 01:37
Diablo-D3	groklaw	Oct 18 01:37
Diablo-D3	censors	Oct 18 01:37
Diablo-D3	lololol	Oct 18 01:38
Guest59094	There were some other people pumping up Florian as the "goto source" on mobile patents. Pretty disgusting.	Oct 18 01:39
DaemonFC	Novell v. Microsoft is still going	Oct 18 01:41
DaemonFC	they're in jury selection	Oct 18 01:41
DaemonFC	it really surprises me that Attachmate is pursuing this	Oct 18 01:42
Guest59094	the longer it goes on the better the FUD value	Oct 18 01:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] World debt comparison: The global debt clock \| The Economist #collapse http://ur1.ca/5fgir		Oct 18 01:42
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DaemonFC	FUD?	Oct 18 01:42
DaemonFC	what is there to FUD?	Oct 18 01:42
DaemonFC	it's over some pretty old gripes	Oct 18 01:42
Guest59094	Microsoft wins whoever wins, but the real value to Microsoft is portraying the litigation as endless.	Oct 18 01:43
Guest59094	The message it sends is that nothing but the biggest of companies has a chance in the industry.	Oct 18 01:43
DaemonFC	oh, so it's more like shadowboxing than a lawsuit	Oct 18 01:44
Guest59094	More like an extended PR campaign.	Oct 18 01:46
Guest59094	Where the product is judicial extortion.	Oct 18 01:47
schestowitz	[01:35] <Guest59094> Oh look, he references ZDNet.	Oct 18 01:50
schestowitz	Dana is friends with Florian	Oct 18 01:50
schestowitz	as for Microsoft Jaxc, he's consistent	Oct 18 01:50
schestowitz	Microsoft is goodie	Oct 18 01:50
schestowitz	Dtop teasing poor msftland :0(	Oct 18 01:50
schestowitz	gn	Oct 18 01:50
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schestowitz	[01:47] <Guest59094> Where the product is judicial extortion.	Oct 18 01:51
schestowitz	Yes,. Microsoft is commiting a crime	Oct 18 01:51
schestowitz	But in the eyss of a country run by companies, it's a-okay	Oct 18 01:51
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msb	schestowitz: Confucius say: Man who cling to bottom of car and ride underneath get eroded.	Oct 18 01:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Governantes acumulam casa e subsídio - Sociedade - Sol #sólávamosatiro #poucavergonha http://ur1.ca/5fgqx		Oct 18 02:05
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DaemonFC	Man who sit with legs crossed has little to hide	Oct 18 02:06
DaemonFC	http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/10/bridge-stolen-and-sold-for-scrap/	Oct 18 02:10
TechrightsBot-tr	@:	Oct 18 02:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] “States are not moral agents, people are, and can impose moral standards on powerful institutions."~Noam Chomsky !q < the shadow knows #ows		Oct 18 02:27
DaemonFC	http://my.opera.com/chooseopera/blog/2011/10/17/hypocritical-code	Oct 18 02:35
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: Opera News - There is nothing more hypocritical than code recommending you upgrade to a "modern" browser because it's too outdated to recognize one. .::. Size~: 39.88 KB	Oct 18 02:35
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Guest59094	msb: twitter say Microsoft bus has burst into flame and rolled off cliff.	Oct 18 03:00
msb	Anyone know of a USB3 adapter that goes in a PCIe slot that works with Linux?	Oct 18 03:12
Diablo-D3	msb: lol srsly?	Oct 18 03:14
Diablo-D3	they all do	Oct 18 03:14
Diablo-D3	they all use the same NEC chip	Oct 18 03:14
Diablo-D3	infact	Oct 18 03:14
Diablo-D3	you need to add my blog to your rss reader	Oct 18 03:14
Diablo-D3	also, it seems dreamhost is doing maint.	Oct 18 03:15
msb	Diablo-D3: Can you suggest a couple of actual part numbers for the USB3 cards that you are certain work?	Oct 18 03:15
Diablo-D3	msb: http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2010/08/22/usb-3-0-works-under-linux	Oct 18 03:15
Diablo-D3	msb: _all of them_ srsly	Oct 18 03:16
Diablo-D3	almost all of them except for like 2 use the same exact ref board design	Oct 18 03:16
msb	Not Sabrent.	Oct 18 03:16
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msb	... a POS I bought and tried yesterday.	Oct 18 03:17
Diablo-D3	are you sure your kernel is new enough?	Oct 18 03:17
msb	2.6.37.1	Oct 18 03:17
msb	Suse 11.4	Oct 18 03:17
msb	Not a NEC chip, though, on that card.	Oct 18 03:18
Diablo-D3	not new enough	Oct 18 03:18
Diablo-D3	msb: got an exact model number for yours?	Oct 18 03:18
msb	That adterra page is not loading.	Oct 18 03:18
Diablo-D3	[10:14:40] <Diablo-D3> also, it seems dreamhost is doing maint.	Oct 18 03:19
msb	Sabrent PCIX-USB3, but according to Amazon comments, that model # is used for several different Sabrent cards, some of which are non-functional, even with Windows.	Oct 18 03:20
Diablo-D3	saberent is a really shitty brand, btw	Oct 18 03:20
msb	What kernel is required.	Oct 18 03:20
msb	?	Oct 18 03:20
Diablo-D3	2.6.38	Oct 18 03:20
msb	To use the NEC chip USB3 cards?	Oct 18 03:20
Diablo-D3	to use them fully	Oct 18 03:21
Diablo-D3	earlier ones "work", but cant power down properly	Oct 18 03:21
Diablo-D3	so the kernel hangs if you try to sus/hyb	Oct 18 03:21
Diablo-D3	http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007531%20600022179%20600022031&IsNodeId=1&name=PCI%20Express%20to%20USB%20Card	Oct 18 03:21
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: Newegg.com - Computer Hardware, Computer Accessories, Add-On Cards, 2x USB Ports, PCI Express to USB Card .::. Size~: 217.6 KB	Oct 18 03:21
Diablo-D3	look at all the usb 3 cards in that list	Oct 18 03:22
Diablo-D3	all virtually identical :D	Oct 18 03:22
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Diablo-D3	msb: btw, yours MIGHT be a via chip	Oct 18 03:22
msb	My computer is a desktop/tower. I never use suspend/hybernate, at least that I know of. I leave it running for months.	Oct 18 03:22
Diablo-D3	what do you do when you walk away from your computer?	Oct 18 03:22
Diablo-D3	because if you leave it running, wtf dude	Oct 18 03:23
Diablo-D3	why waste the electricity	Oct 18 03:23
msb	Because I don't want to set up all the konsoles and other programs in the 20 desktops.	Oct 18 03:23
msb	The chip says ASMEDIA.	Oct 18 03:24
msb	I think the company is run by Asmodeus.	Oct 18 03:25
Diablo-D3	never heard of them.	Oct 18 03:25
msb	Made in China. Covered with crud that I had to wash off with isopropanol.	Oct 18 03:26
msb	Even the connector.	Oct 18 03:26
Diablo-D3	well duh	Oct 18 03:26
Diablo-D3	they're ALL made in china	Oct 18 03:26
Diablo-D3	I just refuse to buiy saberent	Oct 18 03:27
Diablo-D3	its shit	Oct 18 03:27
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msb	So if I just leave the machine running, I can use a usb3 adapter with an nec chip with kernel 2.6.37?	Oct 18 03:27
Diablo-D3	or you can just upgrade your kernel	Oct 18 03:27
Diablo-D3	[10:23:13] <msb> Because I don't want to set up all the konsoles and other programs in the 20 desktops.	Oct 18 03:28
Diablo-D3	uh	Oct 18 03:28
Diablo-D3	you are very confused at what suspend and hybernate does.	Oct 18 03:28
msb	That's why I don't shut the machine off.	Oct 18 03:28
Diablo-D3	suspend doesnt shut the machine off	Oct 18 03:28
msb	I thought sus/hyb was for laptops.	Oct 18 03:29
Diablo-D3	no	Oct 18 03:29
Diablo-D3	suspend shuts as much of the pc off without turning it off	Oct 18 03:29
Diablo-D3	a well built machine it just keeps the memory alive	Oct 18 03:29
Diablo-D3	and just enough to turn everything back on	Oct 18 03:29
Diablo-D3	so everything is exactly where you left it when you turn it back on	Oct 18 03:29
msb	Right, I get that.	Oct 18 03:30
Diablo-D3	hibernate does the same thing, but stores the state to disk and shuts the machine off completely	Oct 18 03:30
Diablo-D3	you dont have to restart programs because they never quit to begin with	Oct 18 03:30
msb	Interesting -- thanks for the info!	Oct 18 03:30
Diablo-D3	like, you know when you close a lid on a laptop and it goes to sleep? thats suspend.	Oct 18 03:30
Diablo-D3	msb: btw, _test it first_ before you regularly use it	Oct 18 03:30
msb	The entire state -- every single bit of it?	Oct 18 03:31
Diablo-D3	yes, the entire state.	Oct 18 03:31
Diablo-D3	I use hibernate on my pc regularly instead of suspend	Oct 18 03:31
Diablo-D3	I have like two-three month uptimes at a whack	Oct 18 03:31
Diablo-D3	the box goes physically off, I could unplug it and everything	Oct 18 03:32
msb	So on the USB3 cards with the NEC chip, does the chip say NEC on it?	Oct 18 03:32
Diablo-D3	yeah, it says nec	Oct 18 03:32
Diablo-D3	https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2010/08/22/usb-3-0-works-under-linux&hl=en&strip=1	Oct 18 03:33
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: USB 3.0 works under Linux » Ad Terras Per Aspera .::. Size~: 18.67 KB	Oct 18 03:33
Diablo-D3	yay google cache	Oct 18 03:33
msb	Great! I'm now gonna go back to Fry's, return the Sabrent turd, and with flashlight and magnifier try to find one with the nec chip.	Oct 18 03:33
msb	They have about 6 of them, hopefully at least one will be nec.	Oct 18 03:34
msb	Frys has that Patriot card -- its $60!	Oct 18 03:37
Diablo-D3	frys also sucks dicks, but hey	Oct 18 03:38
msb	They let you return stuff -- a big advantage. Also there's one near me. Problem is most of their salespeople don't know much.	Oct 18 03:39
Diablo-D3	ooh, my sites back up	Oct 18 03:39
Diablo-D3	http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2010/08/22/usb-3-0-works-under-linux	Oct 18 03:40
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: USB 3.0 works under Linux » Ad Terras Per Aspera .::. Size~: 25.64 KB	Oct 18 03:40
Diablo-D3	:D	Oct 18 03:40
Diablo-D3	msb: yeah, but its absurd	Oct 18 03:40
Diablo-D3	$60?	Oct 18 03:40
Diablo-D3	what use is paying $60?	Oct 18 03:40
Diablo-D3	I paid like $25	Oct 18 03:40
Diablo-D3	the price has gone down since then	Oct 18 03:40
Diablo-D3	vantec and wd also have identical versions of that card	Oct 18 03:41
msb	I think I saw it there last night, and none of them were $60.	Oct 18 03:41
Diablo-D3	just avoid brands like saberent, syba, encore, etc	Oct 18 03:42
Diablo-D3	all chinese shit	Oct 18 03:42
msb	One thing I got there that works great is the SIIG USB to SATA disk docking station -- "toaster".	Oct 18 03:43
msb	Great with USB2 and is supposed to work with usb3.	Oct 18 03:43
Diablo-D3	they dont make those	Oct 18 03:43
msb	who don't?	Oct 18 03:43
Diablo-D3	siig	Oct 18 03:43
Diablo-D3	siig just resells shit	Oct 18 03:43
msb	Well, whoever made this one did a good job.	Oct 18 03:43
Diablo-D3	yeah, its all made by one company	Oct 18 03:44
Diablo-D3	they work really well	Oct 18 03:44
msb	Isn't everything electronic made in Taiwan or the PRC?	Oct 18 03:44
Diablo-D3	kind of	Oct 18 03:44
msb	It's the perfect backup solution!	Oct 18 03:44
Diablo-D3	but theres different companies in china	Oct 18 03:44
Diablo-D3	and some of the brands buy the b grade shit	Oct 18 03:44
Diablo-D3	like, my patroit card could have been made on the same assembly line as your card	Oct 18 03:45
msb	Sabrent must buy the Z grade shit.	Oct 18 03:45
Diablo-D3	b grade is as low as it gets	Oct 18 03:45
Diablo-D3	and usually theres only two grades	Oct 18 03:45
Diablo-D3	it works or it doesnt	Oct 18 03:45
Diablo-D3	a and b	Oct 18 03:45
Diablo-D3	its not until you get into shit like LCD panels you get a bunch of grades	Oct 18 03:45
msb	So I could get a patriot usb3 card, same model # as yours, and it wouldn't work?	Oct 18 03:46
Diablo-D3	no, it would	Oct 18 03:46
Diablo-D3	the thing with the good brands is they actually check the damned cards	Oct 18 03:46
msb	At least I've always had good luck with asus mobos, so I stick with them.	Oct 18 03:47
Diablo-D3	heh, for shit like that, I only buy asus, gigabyte, or msi	Oct 18 03:47
Diablo-D3	everything else is shit	Oct 18 03:47
msb	I'm gonna get a 6-core AMD cpu, and asus mobo for it. My 2-core cpu and mobo have some kind of problem every few weeks that I can't track down. Ran the memory test but that's not it.	Oct 18 03:48
Diablo-D3	you mean 4 core.	Oct 18 03:49
Diablo-D3	bulldozers are 4 core, not 6.	Oct 18 03:49
msb	No, had a 2, getting a 6.	Oct 18 03:49
Diablo-D3	lets try this again	Oct 18 03:50
Diablo-D3	those new FXes?	Oct 18 03:50
Diablo-D3	4 core.	Oct 18 03:50
msb	http://cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Phenom+II+X6+1100T	Oct 18 03:50
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: PassMark CPU Lookup .::. Size~: 239.49 KB	Oct 18 03:50
Diablo-D3	the phenom IIs are already out of date	Oct 18 03:50
Diablo-D3	get a fx-81xx instead	Oct 18 03:50
Diablo-D3	need a board that is am3+ though	Oct 18 03:50
Diablo-D3	and ddr3-1866 ram	Oct 18 03:50
msb	how much are they?	Oct 18 03:51
Diablo-D3	you do know newegg exists, right?	Oct 18 03:52
Diablo-D3	ooh	Oct 18 03:57
Diablo-D3	the 8150 is only $280	Oct 18 03:57
Diablo-D3	the 1100T is $190, but its also as fast as the speed below the 8120, and the 8120 is $220	Oct 18 03:58
Diablo-D3	so AMD has priced shit pretty much identically for price/performance	Oct 18 03:59
msb	The 8120 is 1.6 times the Passmark speed as the 1100T for $30 more. Pretty good!	Oct 18 03:59
msb	The 8150 isn't on the passmark chart.	Oct 18 04:00
msb	However, I wonder how well Linux uses 8 cores.	Oct 18 04:00
Diablo-D3	it does	Oct 18 04:00
Diablo-D3	it does it better than windows anyways	Oct 18 04:00
Diablo-D3	all the supposed benchmarks that are out and say the i7-2600k is still the king?	Oct 18 04:01
Diablo-D3	windows bug is slowing the CPUs down	Oct 18 04:01
Diablo-D3	and no one tested the benchmarks with the fix installed.	Oct 18 04:01
Diablo-D3	noobs, all of them	Oct 18 04:01
msb	If the load is one single-threaded program, it can only use one core.	Oct 18 04:01
msb	Well, the way I abuse Firefox, it sometimes gets to using half my cpu. Also X can take a lot. So those would ge on separate cores.	Oct 18 04:01
Diablo-D3	msb: btw, 4 cores	Oct 18 04:02
Diablo-D3	two hwt per core	Oct 18 04:02
Diablo-D3	and its actual hwt, not that fake hyperthread shit intel fucked up	Oct 18 04:02
msb	Arent the 8120 and 8150 8 cores?	Oct 18 04:02
Diablo-D3	no, 8 hwt, 4 actual core	Oct 18 04:02
msb	what is hwt?	Oct 18 04:03
Diablo-D3	hardware thread	Oct 18 04:03
Diablo-D3	msb: basically	Oct 18 04:03
Diablo-D3	each core has two instruction decoder and scheduler blocks	Oct 18 04:03
msb	The newegg ads say 8 cores.	Oct 18 04:03
Diablo-D3	AMD says 8	Oct 18 04:03
Diablo-D3	its really 4	Oct 18 04:03
Diablo-D3	AMD didnt want to confuse people	Oct 18 04:03
msb	But they changed their minds?	Oct 18 04:04
Diablo-D3	nope, its how bulldozer works	Oct 18 04:04
Diablo-D3	basically, code that is anti-cache or is extremely branchy or screws the branch predictor runs a shitload faster on bulldozer than it will on an i7 or phenom II	Oct 18 04:04
Diablo-D3	because it has twice the instruction decoder/scheduler power	Oct 18 04:05
Diablo-D3	it also has twice the integer power i7 and phenom IIs do	Oct 18 04:05
Diablo-D3	msb: lets say i7-2600k, fx-8150, and the fastest phenom II x6 are all the same speed and the same tdp	Oct 18 04:05
Diablo-D3	they're not quite, but lets say they are	Oct 18 04:05
Diablo-D3	the first two have 4 cores, the third one has 6.	Oct 18 04:06
Diablo-D3	so as far as I see it, AMD increased performance 50% per core.	Oct 18 04:06
Diablo-D3	msb: the reason for independent frontends like that is so the ALUs always stay busy	Oct 18 04:07
Diablo-D3	like, lets say you have fp heavy code	Oct 18 04:07
Diablo-D3	in traditional designs, the integer ALUs go idle	Oct 18 04:08
msb	Diablo-D3: Thank you so much for all this info! I am going to suit up now and go to Frys and swap that usb adapter. One of my 2TB drives became intermittently unreadable, but I got it backed up. Now I want to back up the other one using the toaster at usb3 speed.	Oct 18 04:08
Diablo-D3	in bulldozers, if the other thread uses the integer ALUs	Oct 18 04:08
Diablo-D3	er, if the other thread uses integers, it uses the integer ALUs	Oct 18 04:09
Diablo-D3	msb: btw, this is why I use raid	Oct 18 04:09
Diablo-D3	my backup drive only exists if the raid fails.	Oct 18 04:09
msb	In any case, my cpu-heavy programs are firefox, X, and mencoder for recording TV. That's the only time I'm cpu-limited.	Oct 18 04:09
msb	So that's only 3 cores.	Oct 18 04:10
Diablo-D3	heh	Oct 18 04:10
Diablo-D3	mencoder can use all the cores =P	Oct 18 04:10
Diablo-D3	well, at least x264 can	Oct 18 04:10
Diablo-D3	mencoder doesnt have threaded filters yet damnit	Oct 18 04:10
msb	I've been recording in xvid-mp3-avi.	Oct 18 04:10
Diablo-D3	dont	Oct 18 04:10
Diablo-D3	infact, triple dont, if you're using bframes in xvid, only mplayer can play back those avis	Oct 18 04:11
Diablo-D3	bframes in avi isnt valid	Oct 18 04:11
msb	So, I use mplayer to play everything, even DVDs. I like the keyboard UI.	Oct 18 04:11
Diablo-D3	heh	Oct 18 04:11
Diablo-D3	still	Oct 18 04:11
Diablo-D3	use x264 instead	Oct 18 04:11
Diablo-D3	and use a different container	Oct 18 04:12
Diablo-D3	but yeah like	Oct 18 04:12
Diablo-D3	I wanna see real world performance with the bulldozers	Oct 18 04:12
Diablo-D3	it should be crazy fast	Oct 18 04:12
msb	I barely got it working with xvid. I still don't know what some of the options are doing. I just copied them from examples I found on the web.	Oct 18 04:12
Diablo-D3	read the manual	Oct 18 04:13
msb	I have.	Oct 18 04:13
Diablo-D3	the problem is though, no matter what options you select, xvid cant get good quality	Oct 18 04:13
msb	It's watchable, though, and mostly I'm recording anime's.	Oct 18 04:13
Diablo-D3	_heh_	Oct 18 04:14
Diablo-D3	I cant stand what mpeg4 does to anime	Oct 18 04:14
msb	Most TV I just dl from usenet. Even though I have a cable TV subscription for it. I don't even have a working tv anymore.	Oct 18 04:15
Diablo-D3	then get rid of the subscription =P	Oct 18 04:15
msb	Not sure i'd save any money, it's a combo tv-internet-voip thing.	Oct 18 04:16
Diablo-D3	heh	Oct 18 04:16
msb	brb	Oct 18 04:16
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msb	oops, brb#2, back in 10-15, never make it to frys tonight, have to go tomorrow	Oct 18 04:21
Diablo-D3	heh	Oct 18 04:21
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msb	ok, back now	Oct 18 04:41
msb	Diablo-D3: So is my kernel ok with bulldozers?	Oct 18 04:43
Diablo-D3	should be	Oct 18 04:43
Diablo-D3	theres a patch for the kernel for bulldozers, but its not required	Oct 18 04:43
msb	Problem with RAID, if the PSU goes, it could take all the disks.	Oct 18 04:44
msb	Whereas backup drives are elsewhere at the time.	Oct 18 04:44
msb	I'm gonna write a little script that does a checksum on every file, so I can compare the backups with the drives in use by comparing the checksum lists.	Oct 18 04:46
msb	Will also be good for incremental backups.	Oct 18 04:46
Diablo-D3	no see	Oct 18 04:47
Diablo-D3	you use BOTH	Oct 18 04:47
Diablo-D3	raid AND an external backup	Oct 18 04:47
Diablo-D3	also, I think you want par2 for checksum and forward error correction	Oct 18 04:47
msb	The toaster even has its own power supply.	Oct 18 04:47
msb	I need a bigger case.	Oct 18 04:48
msb	forward?	Oct 18 04:48
msb	Of course if the Sun throws a CME...	Oct 18 04:49
msb	Or if Israel nukes Iran, and Russia nukes Israel, and Israel nukes Europe...	Oct 18 04:51
msb	...somebody may take the opportunity to eliminate the greatest fascist nation on the planet, or at least try.	Oct 18 04:52
Diablo-D3	yes, forward	Oct 18 04:53
msb	What is forward error correction?	Oct 18 04:53
Diablo-D3	its error correction before you need it	Oct 18 04:54
msb	Isn't that _all_ error correction, if you mean it stores redundant ECC info when storing the data?	Oct 18 04:55
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msb	I mean ecc in a general sense.	Oct 18 04:56
Diablo-D3	look up what par2 is.	Oct 18 04:56
msb	ok, I was already somewhat familiar with it, but the wikipedia article helped.	Oct 18 05:03
DaemonFC	AMD has really good Linux support	Oct 18 05:07
*DaemonFC noticed people were talking about AMD earlier		Oct 18 05:08
DaemonFC	I've never had a hard time getting an AMD system up and running with Linux, Intel is another story	Oct 18 05:08
msb	And Intel was in with Microsoft on the Palladium system for total govt/corporate control of the Internet. I will not use an Intel CPU.	Oct 18 05:26
msb	"forward error correction" means you don't have to send a request in the reverse direction back to the source and ask for a re-send.	Oct 18 05:27
msb	Diablo-D3 repointed me from the AMD Phenom that I was going to get to an AMD Bulldozer, that's a lot more bang for the buck.	Oct 18 05:30
msb	Usually I just go for second-best or last year's greatest, but this is only $100 more for a lot more power.	Oct 18 05:32
msb	I could -- dare I say it? -- RULE THE WORLD!!!	Oct 18 05:32
DaemonFC	msb: A while back, Intel was giving every Pentium 3 a unique serial number	Oct 18 05:46
DaemonFC	they stopped doing it when it came to light	Oct 18 05:46
Diablo-D3	doubt it.	Oct 18 05:49
msb	Agghhh! Wikipedia says bulldozers did poorly in benchmarks! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amd_bulldozer#October_12_Bulldozer_.22FX.22_Release	Oct 18 06:17
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Diablo-D3	msb: BWHAHAHAHA	Oct 18 06:24
Diablo-D3	[Citation Needed]!	Oct 18 06:25
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msb	The third paragraph, starting with "Tom's Hardware", may explain it -- MS-Windows is not assigning threads to cores properly.	Oct 18 06:28
msb	If a kernel mod can fix it, Linux will certainly come out with it before MS.	Oct 18 06:31
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DaemonFC	this game is addictive even though it crashes a lot	Oct 18 07:53
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agustinfontaine/status/125404531914833921	Oct 18 08:05
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schestowitz	And Microsoft Jack defends him	Oct 18 08:05
schestowitz	One mobbyisy defending another	Oct 18 08:05
DaemonFC	and victory, hehe	Oct 18 08:14
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DaemonFC	my eyes hurt	Oct 18 08:15
DaemonFC	:P	Oct 18 08:15
DaemonFC	schestowitz: I've been playing around with RSS in Opera	Oct 18 08:17
DaemonFC	I like it	Oct 18 08:17
DaemonFC	Firefox just treats them like a self-updating bookmark	Oct 18 08:17
schestowitz	what does opera do with them?	Oct 18 08:18
DaemonFC	it treats them like an email or newsgroup account	Oct 18 08:18
DaemonFC	and hitting reply replies to the email address of whoever posted that item, quoting it	Oct 18 08:19
DaemonFC	schestowitz: I did a little sniffing around, that Opera vulnerability seems to only work on Windows	Oct 18 08:22
DaemonFC	and only reliably on Windows XP	Oct 18 08:22
DaemonFC	it works about half the time on Windows 7	Oct 18 08:22
DaemonFC	I don't think it's strictly a problem with Opera	Oct 18 08:23
DaemonFC	I suspect it's actually the Windows memory management	Oct 18 08:23
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schestowitz	you gotta love when they make a new release to ALL platforms because of one platform	Oct 18 08:29
sebsebseb	schestowitz: Identica is down it seems	Oct 18 08:29
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schestowitz	to keep the number in sync for th rest	Oct 18 08:29
schestowitz	hi prurigro	Oct 18 08:29
DaemonFC	schestowitz: If they patch it and release an Opera 11.52, then I doubt that will be the only fix	Oct 18 08:30
DaemonFC	you almost never see a maintenance release of Opera with the only thing being one security patch	Oct 18 08:31
schestowitz	but..	Oct 18 08:31
schestowitz	they'll use "security" is a reason to push that out	Oct 18 08:32
schestowitz	i.e. windows	Oct 18 08:32
schestowitz	firefox is like that	Oct 18 08:32
schestowitz	which troubled me	Oct 18 08:32
schestowitz	I don;t want to make huge new downloads every time Windows leaves a mess	Oct 18 08:32
schestowitz	how many 3.6.x releases are for windows patches?	Oct 18 08:32
DaemonFC	strictly? a few	Oct 18 08:33
schestowitz	DaemonFC: I have a question to you	Oct 18 08:33
schestowitz	why did you go on an account deletion rampage last year?	Oct 18 08:33
DaemonFC	no real reason, just felt like it	Oct 18 08:34
DaemonFC	WebGL is springing quite a few leaks	Oct 18 08:36
DaemonFC	in Firefox anyway	Oct 18 08:36
msb	http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4756956	Oct 18 08:37
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msb	Sorry, I think I leaned on a key.	Oct 18 08:37
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DaemonFC	pirating movies?	Oct 18 08:37
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msb	I am downloading a movie which I already bought on DVD.	Oct 18 08:38
DaemonFC	I don't have anything against copying data	Oct 18 08:39
DaemonFC	you're not depriving them of it	Oct 18 08:39
msb	It's not pirating if youalready bought the dvd, but don't want to go searching thru 8 boxes of them to find it.	Oct 18 08:40
DaemonFC	I'm sure that wouldn't stop them from suing	Oct 18 08:41
DaemonFC	but a movie from 1997 isn't on their watchlist probably	Oct 18 08:41
schestowitz	I thought the pirate bay had been taken down or something by now... at ISP level in some countries..	Oct 18 08:42
DaemonFC	not in the US, yet	Oct 18 08:42
schestowitz	The only torrents I have ever used were for Linux ISOs and the songs from SXSW (the one's from techbytes)	Oct 18 08:42
msb	That's a great monster movie with Penelope Ann Miller.	Oct 18 08:42
schestowitz	*ones	Oct 18 08:42
msb	and a very fast torrent, too	Oct 18 08:43
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Jamendo uses them for Ogg Vorbis versions	Oct 18 08:43
DaemonFC	pain in the ass because they're almost always dead	Oct 18 08:43
DaemonFC	and there's no official direct download link	Oct 18 08:43
DaemonFC	though you can tweak the url and get a direct download	Oct 18 08:43
DaemonFC	the direct downloads only offer MP3	Oct 18 08:44
DaemonFC	do not want	Oct 18 08:44
*DaemonFC finally managed to evict all of the MP3s he had and replace them		Oct 18 08:44
DaemonFC	I don't get what would be hard about putting something on there that says MP3/Ogg and download whatever the user chooses	Oct 18 08:47
DaemonFC	they already host a copy of the Ogg version on their server	Oct 18 08:47
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DaemonFC	it wouldn't use more bandwidth (the Oggs tends to be smaller anyway)	Oct 18 08:47
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DaemonFC	schestowitz: A lot of things Firefox does are disturbing	Oct 18 08:49
DaemonFC	their new graphics backend that's so much faster only works on Windows	Oct 18 08:49
DaemonFC	they only support hardware acceleration on Windows	Oct 18 08:49
DaemonFC	(the Linux support is halfassed and only works if you use proprietary Nvidia drivers)	Oct 18 08:49
DaemonFC	the Linux version is starting to look like some halfassed broken port in comparison	Oct 18 08:50
DaemonFC	Opera and Chrome seem to be on par with their Windows counterparts	Oct 18 08:51
schestowitz	[08:49] <DaemonFC> they only support hardware acceleration on Windows	Oct 18 08:58
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schestowitz	For tihings like smmooth scrolling it works ok in Linux	Oct 18 08:58
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amarsh04	http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/playing-dirty-20111017-1ltam.html	Oct 18 09:29
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schestowitz	Morning comrades	Oct 18 09:32
sultan2	Hallo master leader!	Oct 18 09:36
schestowitz	amarsh04: is The Age considered reliable in Australia?	Oct 18 09:42
schestowitz	I mean, among people who are sceptical	Oct 18 09:42
DaemonFC	schestowitz: I've been raiding all my neighbors for their oil :)	Oct 18 09:44
DaemonFC	in War Commander	Oct 18 09:44
*DaemonFC needs 300,000 to upgrade his command center		Oct 18 09:44
schestowitz	So you play America's Army? :-)	Oct 18 09:49
schestowitz	[09:44] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: I've been raiding all my neighbors for their oil :)	Oct 18 09:49
schestowitz	TBG, France and Britain do this too, esp. in north Africa	Oct 18 09:50
DaemonFC	schestowitz: I set my base up so it's very hard for an invader to get my resources	Oct 18 09:50
schestowitz	DaemonFC: I heard that electricity bills have shot up in the US of A	Oct 18 09:50
DaemonFC	they'll have to sacrifice more of their forces than it's worth	Oct 18 09:50
DaemonFC	8 cents per kilowatt hour in Indiana	Oct 18 09:50
DaemonFC	with isn't bad	Oct 18 09:51
DaemonFC	in the more liberal states they have cap and trade and global warming bullshit	Oct 18 09:51
DaemonFC	and they get to pay 5-6 times that	Oct 18 09:51
DaemonFC	they call it Taxachusetts for a reason	Oct 18 09:52
DaemonFC	global warming, hand us your money	Oct 18 09:52
DaemonFC	don't ask what we're spending it on or if it even relates to global warming	Oct 18 09:52
DaemonFC	you pay us money and the carbon blah blah the kittens live! yay kittens!	Oct 18 09:53
DaemonFC	it's one of those taxes where it doesn't bother the rich at all	Oct 18 09:53
DaemonFC	it just means poor people can't heat their homes because of the carbon tax scam	Oct 18 09:54
msb	In fact, it's the rich that get the tax money.	Oct 18 09:54
schestowitz	DaemonFC: but that's a broader issue	Oct 18 09:55
schestowitz	Rich people avoiding tax is nothing to do with energy	Oct 18 09:55
DaemonFC	my bill triples and they hand out energy vouchers to illegal aliens	Oct 18 09:55
DaemonFC	yay!	Oct 18 09:55
schestowitz	As for carbon-related taxes, they are making a financial incentive to reduce emissions/consumption	Oct 18 09:55
schestowitz	it's the only way to drive greed-motivated economies to actually do the right thing	Oct 18 09:56
DaemonFC	where does the scam money go?	Oct 18 09:56
schestowitz	I don't think incentives yet exist to pay people decently and not outsource	Oct 18 09:56
schestowitz	DaemonFC: some of those are doing hard labour	Oct 18 09:56
schestowitz	like picking fruit for you	Oct 18 09:56
msb	Not inviting the illegals in and not paying them to have four children would reduce energy usage.	Oct 18 09:57
schestowitz	while some other people just push around paper in the PR 'industry	Oct 18 09:57
schestowitz	msb: that's a generalisation	Oct 18 09:57
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msb	True. Some only have three children.	Oct 18 09:58
schestowitz	Consider for example some of the legal immigrants or refugees who created successful american enterprises	Oct 18 09:58
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schestowitz	you're talking here of the stereotypical fence hoppers	Oct 18 09:58
msb	These are all _illegal_.	Oct 18 09:58
msb	Of which there are 30,000,000 in the US now.	Oct 18 09:58
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schestowitz	when does a country of immigration classify one as "illegal"?	Oct 18 09:59
amarsh04	schestowitz - The Age is quite reliable	Oct 18 09:59
msb	When they violate the laws governing immigration.	Oct 18 09:59
schestowitz	amarsh04: it never angered me over the years, but if you scroll down the page it does seem like a gossip/tabloid too	Oct 18 09:59
msb	But it's not their fault. The US govt allows them in, and does nothing to remove them.	Oct 18 10:00
schestowitz	Maybe US businesses need them	Oct 18 10:00
amarsh04	yes Schestowitz, they cater for that as well, but their serious stories are well researched	Oct 18 10:00
msb	The govt is controlled by the ultra-wealthy, who want to weaken US citizens by putting them out of their jobs.	Oct 18 10:00
schestowitz	Don't speak of 'US govt'	Oct 18 10:00
msb	Why not?	Oct 18 10:01
schestowitz	It's just ths shadow cast by corporations that need cheap labour in a very competitive market	Oct 18 10:01
DaemonFC	the US government should remove them, or better yet, not let them in in the first place	Oct 18 10:01
schestowitz	Job insecurity -> lower wages, poorer worker rights	Oct 18 10:01
amarsh04	some news in .au about the federal attorney-general's department removing a section about streamline procedures for copyright violations... see http://www.whirlpool.net.au for details	Oct 18 10:01
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DaemonFC	there's al ot of looking the other way going on, and I'm sure some of it is bribes	Oct 18 10:01
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msb	We now have 25% unemployment. So US businesses do not need more jobless workers to come in.	Oct 18 10:01
schestowitz	msb: why not?	Oct 18 10:02
schestowitz	They could always use more	Oct 18 10:02
schestowitz	more citizens -> more customers	Oct 18 10:02
schestowitz	more competition over jobs -> lower wages, higher profits	Oct 18 10:02
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DaemonFC	more desperate people = lower wages, longer hours, less benefits	Oct 18 10:02
schestowitz	BTW, the UK has a similar problem with immigration and the debate was recently rekindled	Oct 18 10:03
DaemonFC	if anyone complains, fire them and get someone else	Oct 18 10:03
amarsh04	aka 'race to the bottom'	Oct 18 10:03
DaemonFC	schestowitz: pakis?	Oct 18 10:03
schestowitz	In the UK, illegal immigrants get granted residency after 10 years	Oct 18 10:03
schestowitz	Even if they were "illegals" (don't like this term) all along	Oct 18 10:04
DaemonFC	and I'll bet you voted for whoever thought that up	Oct 18 10:04
DaemonFC	and "carbon tax scam" was next on the list	Oct 18 10:04
msb	Eventually there will be enough Mexicans in California to vote for it to be rejoined to Mexico.	Oct 18 10:05
DaemonFC	schestowitz: it's unpopular for a reason	Oct 18 10:05
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DaemonFC	reason being, legal citizens in your country are being fucked by a bunch of law breakers	Oct 18 10:05
schestowitz	nope	Oct 18 10:05
DaemonFC	who are being given rights where they shouldn't be	Oct 18 10:05
schestowitz	DaemonFC: misguided scapegoating	Oct 18 10:05
schestowitz	your problem is that you have no real government of the people	Oct 18 10:05
schestowitz	It's run by special interests	Oct 18 10:05
schestowitz	Illegal immigrants are not a problem to them	Oct 18 10:06
schestowitz	They don't compete for jobs	Oct 18 10:06
schestowitz	They race for bigger profots each quarter	Oct 18 10:06
DaemonFC	yeah, I don't expect it to end	Oct 18 10:06
schestowitz	Until this whole system collapses, which it already is	Oct 18 10:06
DaemonFC	there's too much profit to be made off wholesale human suffering	Oct 18 10:06
schestowitz	I think the USA will be the next USSR in a sense	Oct 18 10:06
schestowitz	Communism did fail, but corrupt corporatism too will fail too	Oct 18 10:07
msb	The psychopaths at the top of the pyramid of the ultra-wealthy have said that they want to reduce the population by 90%.	Oct 18 10:07
schestowitz	It just picks up debt	Oct 18 10:07
DaemonFC	I don't think we're going to split up into separate countries	Oct 18 10:07
schestowitz	like in Reagan years	Oct 18 10:07
schestowitz	Trying to use its own lust for borrowing to make a case for itself another decade	Oct 18 10:07
DaemonFC	at least not in the forseeable future	Oct 18 10:07
DaemonFC	now, give it a hundred years, and who knows	Oct 18 10:07
schestowitz	msb: marriages are already down sharply	Oct 18 10:08
schestowitz	I assume births are, too	Oct 18 10:08
DaemonFC	schestowitz: people are starting to realize marriage is a sham	Oct 18 10:08
msb	Not among our illegals.	Oct 18 10:08
DaemonFC	and reproduction is unaffordable	Oct 18 10:08
DaemonFC	even with the government subsidies to do it	Oct 18 10:08
schestowitz	msb: maybe not	Oct 18 10:09
schestowitz	Coupling might still be OK	Oct 18 10:09
schestowitz	But I doubt family creation is	Oct 18 10:09
schestowitz	It's just that weddings are seen more as a luxury. Weddings are a party where a couple spends money buying status and recognition for themselves	Oct 18 10:09
DaemonFC	schestowitz: My family finally got the message that I don't go to weddings	Oct 18 10:09
DaemonFC	:)	Oct 18 10:09
schestowitz	I know people who had to save for years just to afford a modest wedding that lasts a few hours.	Oct 18 10:10
msb	You have to realize -- the psychopaths at the top don't want to just rob us, they want to kill us.	Oct 18 10:10
DaemonFC	"Where's Ryan at?" At home with his cat, boycotting this nonsense	Oct 18 10:10
msb	We are no longer necessary for their lives.	Oct 18 10:10
schestowitz	[10:08] <DaemonFC> even with the government subsidies to do it	Oct 18 10:10
schestowitz	/goevrnment./you/	Oct 18 10:10
schestowitz	government: run by corporations	Oct 18 10:10
DaemonFC	right they take my money	Oct 18 10:10
schestowitz	funded by the people	Oct 18 10:10
DaemonFC	pass it through 20 layers of bureaucracy	Oct 18 10:10
schestowitz	which works ok for the super rich	Oct 18 10:11
DaemonFC	and give what's left to illegal aliens and breeders	Oct 18 10:11
schestowitz	[10:09] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: My family finally got the message that I don't go to weddings	Oct 18 10:11
schestowitz	No cheques then?	Oct 18 10:11
DaemonFC	I just don't like weddings	Oct 18 10:11
schestowitz	[10:10] <msb> You have to realize -- the psychopaths at the top don't want to just rob us, they want to kill us.]	Oct 18 10:11
DaemonFC	or the concept of marriage	Oct 18 10:11
schestowitz	No, they can use you	Oct 18 10:11
schestowitz	Labour camp first	Oct 18 10:11
schestowitz	When they become useless, then they'll have you die from coal inhalation or whatever	Oct 18 10:12
DaemonFC	I don't see why people feel compelled to get married	Oct 18 10:12
schestowitz	to show off to mates	Oct 18 10:12
schestowitz	And there's the religious side of it	Oct 18 10:12
DaemonFC	religious crap and a piece of paper from the state that says she gets half your shit and the children	Oct 18 10:12
DaemonFC	and gee, the wedding only costs like $10,000+	Oct 18 10:12
DaemonFC	what a bargain	Oct 18 10:12
msb	I think the higher level of technology now than 60 years ago makes labor camps unnecessary. Just go straight to death camps.	Oct 18 10:13
DaemonFC	msb: Can it be quick and painless at least?	Oct 18 10:13
DaemonFC	or do they have to humiliate us and then use Zyklon-B	Oct 18 10:13
msb	A lot of Americans have guns.	Oct 18 10:14
DaemonFC	msb: so?	Oct 18 10:14
msb	They'll fight back.	Oct 18 10:14
DaemonFC	do you think they care if some of their goons get shot?	Oct 18 10:14
DaemonFC	what makes you think they want the police around after they finish rounding us up? :)	Oct 18 10:15
msb	Maybe we can get that fact across to the police.	Oct 18 10:15
DaemonFC	doubt it	Oct 18 10:15
DaemonFC	they hire people who are pretty dumb to be police officers	Oct 18 10:15
DaemonFC	people that take orders and don't ask questions	Oct 18 10:16
msb	http://oathkeepers.org/oath/	Oct 18 10:16
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msb	We just have to do everything we can.	Oct 18 10:16
msb	Even dumb people want to live.	Oct 18 10:17
DaemonFC	right, but chances are they don't think that far ahead	Oct 18 10:17
DaemonFC	"Gee, what good am I once I round up all the worthless eaters and gas them so the rich people can have more space?"	Oct 18 10:18
schestowitz	[10:12] <DaemonFC> religious crap and a piece of paper from the state that says she gets half your shit and the children	Oct 18 10:18
schestowitz	Did you see how weddings get done behind the scenes?	Oct 18 10:18
DaemonFC	?	Oct 18 10:18
schestowitz	Signing of contracts in an office (not related to the ceremonies)	Oct 18 10:18
schestowitz	patents sigh too, it's more like a contract	Oct 18 10:18
DaemonFC	yes, more government corruption, intruding into peoples lives	Oct 18 10:19
msb	DaemonFC: If you tell yourself that we can't succeed, that helps to guarantee that we will fail.	Oct 18 10:19
DaemonFC	if two people want to live together without being married, what's the big deal?	Oct 18 10:19
schestowitz	[10:15] <msb> Maybe we can get that fact across to the police.	Oct 18 10:19
schestowitz	It's hard	Oct 18 10:19
DaemonFC	why do people get so hung up on that?	Oct 18 10:19
msb	Work as if we can succeed, and maybe we will.	Oct 18 10:19
schestowitz	the police is impacted by mass media	Oct 18 10:19
schestowitz	Watch how they daemonised wikileaks	Oct 18 10:19
DaemonFC	yes, the false rape allegations	Oct 18 10:20
DaemonFC	but the IMF guy can rape a woman then call her the hotel hooker	Oct 18 10:20
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DaemonFC	:)	Oct 18 10:20
schestowitz	I recall seeing that video where they took away this baby cause his dad was from Oath Keepers (IIRC)	Oct 18 10:20
schestowitz	The only legal militias as the US police and US Army	Oct 18 10:20
schestowitz	Because they take orders from the rich, indirectly	Oct 18 10:21
DaemonFC	schestowitz: The police have been told to watch out for signed that a person is part of a "sovereign citizens" movement	Oct 18 10:21
DaemonFC	and to consider them as potential terrorists	Oct 18 10:21
DaemonFC	*signs	Oct 18 10:21
msb	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=share	Oct 18 10:21
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schestowitz	sigh	Oct 18 10:22
msb	Please watch that video. It's about 5 minutes.	Oct 18 10:22
schestowitz	lessie...	Oct 18 10:22
msb	Roy, you obviously understand what's going on, but you're reluctant to access information about the biggest most important attack by the ultra-wealthy against the people.	Oct 18 10:23
DaemonFC	carbon tax, another way to exterminate the "worthless eaters"	Oct 18 10:23
DaemonFC	just crank up their heating bill until they freeze to death	Oct 18 10:23
DaemonFC	they consider murdering the working class and poor to be a form of pest control	Oct 18 10:24
DaemonFC	and they implement it under code names like Global Warming	Oct 18 10:24
msb	The attack that they use to justify turning the US and the UK into police states.	Oct 18 10:24
DaemonFC	see, schestowitz goes into panic mode when I say this, because he can't see what's going on, I think	Oct 18 10:25
DaemonFC	I'm not denying global warming	Oct 18 10:25
DaemonFC	I am stating that there are a lot of scams that play on it	Oct 18 10:25
DaemonFC	with the working class and poor as the targets	Oct 18 10:25
DaemonFC	technology is to the point where if they wanted off of fossil fuels, it would be done	Oct 18 10:26
schestowitz	msb: the video does not support your theories about "controlled demolition"	Oct 18 10:26
DaemonFC	but they don't	Oct 18 10:26
DaemonFC	so it isn't	Oct 18 10:26
schestowitz	But about passiveness from the government, which is an easier theory to digest	Oct 18 10:27
DaemonFC	it's easier to control people when you tell them a resource is finite	Oct 18 10:27
DaemonFC	that their rationed share is precious	Oct 18 10:27
schestowitz	That's what some people called for proper investigation of - how they could manage to miss so many suspects on the same day	Oct 18 10:27
DaemonFC	or when you make it sound like the limitless supply is somehow tainted	Oct 18 10:28
DaemonFC	tap water v. bottled water	Oct 18 10:28
schestowitz	LOL	Oct 18 10:28
schestowitz	battled	Oct 18 10:28
schestowitz	the plastic can add toxins	Oct 18 10:29
schestowitz	if heated up sufficiently	Oct 18 10:29
DaemonFC	yes it can	Oct 18 10:29
DaemonFC	and the safety of bottled water is less regulated	Oct 18 10:29
msb	Please read this research paper on the thermite particles found in the WTC dust: http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.pdf	Oct 18 10:29
DaemonFC	one person at the FDA	Oct 18 10:29
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schestowitz	DaemonFC: "be classy. Don't drink from the tap. Buy some plastic with it... POLLUTE the environment"	Oct 18 10:29
DaemonFC	vs the Clean Water Act, which forces daily testing of municipal water supplies	Oct 18 10:30
schestowitz	How long before they make water CANS with fancy colours on them? :-)	Oct 18 10:30
schestowitz	have a drink, use up aluminium :-)	Oct 18 10:30
DaemonFC	well ,that can be recycled	Oct 18 10:30
DaemonFC	:)	Oct 18 10:30
DaemonFC	when I get soda, I buy it in 2 liter bottles	Oct 18 10:31
msb	Roy, please read that pdf article, and then ask how did that thermite come to be in the dust.	Oct 18 10:31
DaemonFC	I don't drink much of it	Oct 18 10:31
DaemonFC	msb, the funny thing about thermite is how easy it is to make	Oct 18 10:31
DaemonFC	the stuff is pretty nasty when it burns	Oct 18 10:32
msb	Actually this is a composite with very fine particles. Not just a crude mixture.	Oct 18 10:32
DaemonFC	even water won't put it out	Oct 18 10:32
*amarsh04 thought that thermite was used in welding		Oct 18 10:34
msb	Look at some of the sites linked here: http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/#RESEARCH_SITES	Oct 18 10:35
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msb	Thermite has been used to weld railroad tracks.	Oct 18 10:35
schestowitz	wtc was eaten up by termites :-)	Oct 18 10:39
schestowitz	millions of them, gnawing in unison	Oct 18 10:39
MinceR	113458 <@schestowitz> the plastic can add toxins	Oct 18 10:40
MinceR	113504 <@schestowitz> if heated up sufficiently	Oct 18 10:40
msb	The 911 scam was used as the pretext for murdering 2,000,000 people in Afghanistan and Iraq. Not really funny.	Oct 18 10:40
MinceR	well, don't heat it, then. :>	Oct 18 10:40
schestowitz	MinceR: sometimes you don't mean to, e.g. leaving it in the car on a sunny day	Oct 18 10:41
schestowitz	plasticity taste	Oct 18 10:41
MinceR	the FLA song? :>	Oct 18 10:41
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schestowitz	http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/KDE-rekonq-0-8-released-1362245.html	Oct 18 10:44
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schestowitz	!google the FLA song	Oct 18 10:44
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Florida State Song \| http://www.50states.com/songs/florida.htm	Oct 18 10:44
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - State Song of Florida - Florida Division of Historical Resources \| http://flheritage.com/kids/symbol.cfm%3Fid%3D19	Oct 18 10:44
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Music of Florida - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Florida	Oct 18 10:44
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - outloud: Charles Atkins "Florida's Song" - YouTube \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D9-rsalIHM9o	Oct 18 10:44
schestowitz	http://www.iol.co.za/business/international/wall-street-sees-no-exit-from-financial-woes-1.1157982?pageNumber=1	Oct 18 10:47
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schestowitz	well, ,duh	Oct 18 10:47
schestowitz	Maybe they can save their corporatism by borriwing some more	Oct 18 10:47
schestowitz	I mean, they're a drunken gambler	Oct 18 10:47
schestowitz	Might as well borrow another 20 trillions, it's not as though it'll ever be paid back without a world war	Oct 18 10:48
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schestowitz	"	Oct 18 10:55
schestowitz	Stop protecting criminal actions by corporations and their leaders.	Oct 18 10:55
schestowitz	Prosecute the corporate criminals.	Oct 18 10:55
schestowitz	""	Oct 18 10:55
schestowitz	http://www.goldmansachs666.com/2011/10/what-should-agenda-be-for-occupy-wall.html	Oct 18 10:55
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schestowitz	http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_EARNS_CITIGROUP?SITE=NVLAS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT	Oct 18 10:58
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schestowitz	Not so bad for bankers..	Oct 18 10:58
schestowitz	Now they get houses on the cheap	Oct 18 10:58
schestowitz	foreclosures..	Oct 18 10:58
schestowitz	having scammed people into getting loans for these	Oct 18 10:58
schestowitz	And rewarded themselves with bonuses for that at the time	Oct 18 10:59
schestowitz	http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66192.html	Oct 18 10:59
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schestowitz	Obama is heavily funded by the financial sector	Oct 18 10:59
schestowitz	I don't think the US corporate media mentions this very often	Oct 18 11:00
schestowitz	http://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2011/10/17/occupy-wall-street-and-the-diversity-of-objections-to-inequality/	Oct 18 11:00
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schestowitz	http://feeds.nytimes.com/click.phdo?i=0732d72abc96911f805656f5e9341642	Oct 18 11:01
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msb	Obama is a fascist disguised as a leftist.	Oct 18 11:02
schestowitz	http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2011/10/the-most-important-facts-about-the-global-debt-crisis/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheBigPicture+%28The+Big+Picture%29	Oct 18 11:02
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schestowitz	you gotta watch this graph	Oct 18 11:02
schestowitz	See Germany	Oct 18 11:02
schestowitz	I thought they were doing far better than that	Oct 18 11:02
schestowitz	The UK compared to Italy..	Oct 18 11:02
schestowitz	But we have a credit card debt crisis here too	Oct 18 11:03
msb	Just like the one who called his fascist political party "National Socialism".	Oct 18 11:03
schestowitz	http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/business/global/germany-lowers-expectations-for-eu-summit.html	Oct 18 11:07
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schestowitz	major protests in Frankfurt over the weekend	Oct 18 11:07
schestowitz	unemployment rates are actually low in Germany	Oct 18 11:07
schestowitz	msb: social for some, not for everyone	Oct 18 11:08
msb	schestowitz: social?	Oct 18 11:09
msb	The Nazis were run by the ultra-wealthy. Their purpose was to destroy the socialists, labor unions, social democrats, etc.	Oct 18 11:10
schestowitz	who were those ultra-wealthy (names)?	Oct 18 11:10
msb	http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis	Oct 18 11:11
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msb	Please read the sites linked there.	Oct 18 11:12
sultan2	The Rockefeller (Standard oil) was one of them	Oct 18 11:12
sultan2	Rockefellers	Oct 18 11:12
sultan2	msb: Do you really want us to read the LONG book George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography?	Oct 18 11:14
*schestowitz reads http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/1930sap.html		Oct 18 11:14
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schestowitz	rockefellers not named	Oct 18 11:14
msb	Read it anyhow.	Oct 18 11:16
sultan2	msb: People should watch and listen to the film "JFK II: The Bush Connection (2003)" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsMKMMlleOE and then read George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography	Oct 18 11:16
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msb	Please don't always look for excuses to not access the information.	Oct 18 11:17
sultan2	Goddamn Alex (liar) Jones who's spamming his websites on other films, WTF	Oct 18 11:17
sultan2	This is an unedited video of it http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4330031689287456187	Oct 18 11:18
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schestowitz	DVD Alex :-)	Oct 18 11:18
schestowitz	Like DJD Jon	Oct 18 11:19
schestowitz	What does DVD Jon do these days? I heard he worked on some related things years ago, then he started using wordpress to blog (around 2005)	Oct 18 11:19
schestowitz	Crazy Alex... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0APTn1EPg9E&feature=related	Oct 18 11:20
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sultan2	schestowitz: Alex is misleading all of his listeners for freaking money!	Oct 18 11:21
schestowitz	He does a good job for those whom he attacks	Oct 18 11:21
schestowitz	Because he can often give a bad name and misdirection	Oct 18 11:21
schestowitz	His attitude does not help, but I think he improved that a bit	Oct 18 11:22
sultan2	I'm now listening to Oracle Broadcasting Network and Republic Broadcasting Network and Liberty Broadcasting Network which are WAY better than GCN of Alex & Co.	Oct 18 11:22
schestowitz	RMS was on his show	Oct 18 11:22
schestowitz	and RMS too learned not to appear angry or impatient	Oct 18 11:22
sultan2	schestowitz: Alex is fear mongering us with computer spies instead of saying GET GNU/LINUX!	Oct 18 11:22
sultan2	schestowitz: I know	Oct 18 11:22
schestowitz	He got sheen promoting him a bit	Oct 18 11:23
schestowitz	and then Ventura	Oct 18 11:23
schestowitz	Who's doing himself no favours but gets publicity	Oct 18 11:23
sultan2	http://torrentchannel.com/Technology/2005-12-06-Richard_Stallman_Interviewed_by_Alex_Jones	Oct 18 11:23
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schestowitz	Taibi does OK exposing bankers	Oct 18 11:23
schestowitz	And ZeroHedge are OK	Oct 18 11:23
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schestowitz	Not poisoned yet	Oct 18 11:23
sultan2	This torrent wasn't published in TPB yet http://torrentz.eu/3c1815b6f5400ed69331395092a7b55444df4ba4	Oct 18 11:24
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sultan2	schestowitz: Did you know that there's a shot in the film "Police State 4" of Crazy Jones from his offices with Ubuntu 8 - 9 with Evince running on it?	Oct 18 11:25
schestowitz	maybe	Oct 18 11:26
schestowitz	his staff uses gnu stuff	Oct 18 11:26
schestowitz	that's what the show with RMS explained	Oct 18 11:26
schestowitz	but they probably use it at the back end	Oct 18 11:26
schestowitz	it's rare that I would bother going to his sites unless the guests there are people whom I generally trust	Oct 18 11:27
msb	sultan2: Your concept of "fear mongering" doesn't make sense.	Oct 18 11:27
schestowitz	did you see him attacking Chomsky for being a "shill"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0APTn1EPg9E&feature=related	Oct 18 11:27
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sultan2	msb: It is	Oct 18 11:27
schestowitz	msb: he overstates the fema camp claims	Oct 18 11:28
schestowitz	and ventura the big baby plays along	Oct 18 11:28
msb	He has pictures of them.	Oct 18 11:28
schestowitz	of what?	Oct 18 11:28
schestowitz	coffins?	Oct 18 11:28
schestowitz	these are for natural disasters	Oct 18 11:28
msb	Ventura's program about the fema camps was banned from TV after one showing.	Oct 18 11:28
schestowitz	or immigration purposes	Oct 18 11:28
msb	Pictures of the camps, with the barbed-wire facing inward.	Oct 18 11:28
schestowitz	he goes too far by equatingn the US to Nazi Germany	Oct 18 11:28
schestowitz	BTW, it took 10 years between the fall of wall street and ww2 erupting	Oct 18 11:29
sultan2	schestowitz: Alex is also saying to other to be "leaders" and to open their own news websites but at the same time he is laughing at others saying that they are "Number#1" and it doesn't look like it in SHOUTcast (Alex is a moron and insulting in many ways)	Oct 18 11:29
schestowitz	maybe one day the US too will go insane, at the end of this decade, but communication is too good to allow genocide to happen in the West	Oct 18 11:29
schestowitz	sultan2: in youtube thunderf00t (science channel) has more subscribers than him	Oct 18 11:30
sultan2	schestowitz: Seriously, why on earth do we need camps?	Oct 18 11:30
msb	But the US has already comitted genocide in Afghanistan and Iraq, and Vietnam, and Korea.	Oct 18 11:30
schestowitz	I thhink people would be shy or embarassed to be associated with him	Oct 18 11:30
schestowitz	sultan2: depotation maybe	Oct 18 11:30
schestowitz	we have these in the UK	Oct 18 11:30
schestowitz	Before illegal immigrants are expelled	Oct 18 11:31
schestowitz	msb: that's not 'the West'	Oct 18 11:31
msb	sultan2: Your personal attacks against Alex Jones are irrational.	Oct 18 11:31
msb	schestowitz: But "the West" is doing it!	Oct 18 11:31
schestowitz	right	Oct 18 11:31
schestowitz	as it always did	Oct 18 11:31
sultan2	depotation* ?	Oct 18 11:31
schestowitz	Vietnam, Korea..	Oct 18 11:31
schestowitz	deportation	Oct 18 11:31
schestowitz	not decapitation	Oct 18 11:32
sultan2	schestowitz: But the freaking US boarders are opened, what's up with that?	Oct 18 11:32
msb	schestowitz: Chomsky is a shill. He denied the plot to murder JFK. He denied the 9/11 plot. That's the one with the thermite article that you won't read.	Oct 18 11:34
sultan2	msb: Even if Ron Paul think that 9/11 is an inside job he wouldn;t say it because it would be very easy to drop him and his reputation too	Oct 18 11:35
msb	Alex Jones' shortcoming is that he doesn't see the problems with capitalism that inevitably lead to fascism.	Oct 18 11:35
msb	sultan2: That's correct about Ron Paul.	Oct 18 11:35
msb	Alex Jones' videos are very informative. I link to several of them in cosmicpenguin.com	Oct 18 11:37
sultan2	And others like Denis Kucinich and other public and known figures	Oct 18 11:37
sultan2	Saying that 9/11 was done by the government isn't a good thing to do if you are want to be a public official in the USA, but we do need people who will be willing to LISTEN and from this point things will be easier	Oct 18 11:37
msb	Once enough people overcome their hypnosis and access the 911 information, then politicians will be able to speak out about it.	Oct 18 11:38
sultan2	This requires more politicians who have the will to listen	Oct 18 11:39
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msb	Chris Brown told me that his websites got 25,000 hits on 9/11/2011. http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/#CORES	Oct 18 11:40
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sultan2	schestowitz: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/gom/ :-P	Oct 18 11:43
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schestowitz	MinceR: the Microsoft intern laughts at you http://twitter.com/m4n1sh/statuses/126179473723899904	Oct 18 11:45
TechrightsBot-tr	@m4n1sh: LULZ http://t.co/bn9I1iqf	Oct 18 11:45
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schestowitz	sultan2: any proof that Kucinich thinks that? I doubt it.	Oct 18 11:46
sultan2	No, just an example for a politician who listens, neither Ron Paul thinks so.	Oct 18 11:47
sultan2	schestowitz: Which SIP client do you use?	Oct 18 11:51
schestowitz	ekiga	Oct 18 11:53
schestowitz	sultan2: right	Oct 18 11:54
schestowitz	but don't attribute these views to them	Oct 18 11:54
schestowitz	you poison their candidacy	Oct 18 11:54
sultan2	Exactly!	Oct 18 11:54
schestowitz	And Dennies does good work getting the bankers in the groin	Oct 18 11:54
schestowitz	!google ron paul asked about 911 supporters	Oct 18 11:54
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Ron Paul on 9/11: Ask the Right Questions and Face the Truth \| http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-09-11/ron-paul-on-911-ask-the-right-questions-and-face-the-truth/	Oct 18 11:54
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Ron Paul Supports New 9/11 Investigation - YouTube \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D2liR4AOZ1EU	Oct 18 11:54
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Ron Paul Fans = 9/11 Truthers \| Slog \| http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/09/22/ron-paul-fans-911-truthers	Oct 18 11:54
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Ron Paul on 9/11 conspiracies \| http://www.defence.pk/forums/strategic-geopolitical-issues/39660-ron-paul-9-11-conspiracies.html	Oct 18 11:54
schestowitz	*Dennis	Oct 18 11:55
schestowitz	Dennis denies denials :-)	Oct 18 11:55
sultan2	schestowitz: SIP for every OS http://dpaste.org/smna0/ (will be deleted in a month)	Oct 18 11:55
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sultan2	I have tried Ekiga Linphone and QuteCom	Oct 18 11:57
schestowitz	I don't use VOIP much	Oct 18 11:58
schestowitz	except for work (SIP)	Oct 18 11:58
schestowitz	standard calls got cheaper because of VOIP	Oct 18 11:58
schestowitz	to the point where the expense is low enougj and a cordless phone is almost equally convenient	Oct 18 11:59
schestowitz	I don't chat for hours anyway, not in a meaninful way. Might do that face-to-face, so this whole thing about communication over IP is maybe beyond the tipping point, escept when you wire businsses through asterisk	Oct 18 12:00
sultan2	schestowitz: Most of the ISPs in Israel are blocking SIP popular servers for VoIP communication	Oct 18 12:00
sultan2	So I'm using IHU when I'm blocked http://ihu.sf.net/	Oct 18 12:00
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schestowitz	XFace recommended it	Oct 18 12:01
schestowitz	and msb	Oct 18 12:01
msb	sultan2 and I use IHU regularly, across 10 time zones. Very simple and reliable.	Oct 18 12:02
sultan2	schestowitz: I made a straight call of over TEN hours with msb	Oct 18 12:03
sultan2	Port forwarding is needed of course :-\	Oct 18 12:03
msb	But only one port.	Oct 18 12:04
sultan2	I hope that IHU supports IPv6 so that no NAT issues will occur	Oct 18 12:05
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msb	With politicians who have accessed the 911 research info, the situation is similar to the Prisoners' Dilemma. If none of them talk about it, then they and everyone else suffer because the advance of the police state continues.	Oct 18 12:11
msb	If only one talks about it, he loses politically because the public is mostly ignorant about the research.	Oct 18 12:11
schestowitz	you can't just label theorists "research"	Oct 18 12:12
schestowitz	there are more sides to the research	Oct 18 12:12
msb	But if many of them talk about the research -- 9/11 truth -- then the public gets educated, and the police state can be stopped, and everybody wins big.	Oct 18 12:12
schestowitz	some research explains why the fuel from the jets softens the steel girders	Oct 18 12:12
schestowitz	but theorists of some circles ignore this research	Oct 18 12:13
schestowitz	police state does not need just 9/11	Oct 18 12:13
msb	The research is no more "theory" than anything else in normal physics.	Oct 18 12:13
schestowitz	and talking about 9/11 is not going to stop it, either	Oct 18 12:13
msb	schestowitz: The research is very factual. For example that thermite paper that you won't read.	Oct 18 12:14
msb	9/11 was and is the biggest excuse for the police state.	Oct 18 12:15
msb	Telling the truth about it will help a great deal to stop it.	Oct 18 12:15
msb	People will realize that they've been duped.	Oct 18 12:15
schestowitz	some of this "truth" is just "fooling gullible people who distrust government"	Oct 18 12:16
schestowitz	Careful with the word "research"	Oct 18 12:16
schestowitz	There is PR	Oct 18 12:16
schestowitz	There is official statements	Oct 18 12:17
schestowitz	which is also like PR	Oct 18 12:17
msb	Sez you, who refuse to look at the information on the research websites.	Oct 18 12:17
schestowitz	There is paid (usually biased) research	Oct 18 12:17
schestowitz	and then there are volunteers with expertise in a field who don't try to make DVD sales from it	Oct 18 12:17
schestowitz	Papers these days mostly print the PR	Oct 18 12:17
schestowitz	But some go to wikileaks and actually do real research	Oct 18 12:18
msb	schestowitz: You are making vague negative generalizations about work that you know nothing about.	Oct 18 12:19
schestowitz	I saw the htermite folks	Oct 18 12:20
schestowitz	they base their theory on the claims of some people taking a fisful of dust, allegedly	Oct 18 12:20
schestowitz	there is not even a verifiable way to check if these accounts are true	Oct 18 12:20
schestowitz	!google pig tooth evolution	Oct 18 12:20
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - The "Million-Dollar Pig's-Tooth Mystery" : Laelaps \| http://scienceblogs.com/laelaps/2009/05/nebraska_man_nothing_but_the_t.php	Oct 18 12:20
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TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Top Evidences Against the Theory of Evolution \| http://mall.turnpike.net/C/cs/evid4.htm	Oct 18 12:20
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msb	It would be extremely difficult to duplicate the thermite particles documented in that dust.	Oct 18 12:21
schestowitz	right..	Oct 18 12:21
schestowitz	so it's poor evidence	Oct 18 12:21
schestowitz	cause it's dust	Oct 18 12:21
schestowitz	and you don't know where it really came from	Oct 18 12:22
schestowitz	when the buildings fell it wasn't just an archaeological sites for university professors to take samples from, it was a disaster zone	Oct 18 12:22
schestowitz	.I herad similar stopries of the Oklahoma City bombing	Oct 18 12:22
schestowitz	which, surprise surprise, people run back to as "evidence" for 9/11 as "inside job"	Oct 18 12:23
schestowitz	They say the dust was gurded	Oct 18 12:23
schestowitz	and that therefore they were hiding something	Oct 18 12:23
schestowitz	which is not evidence	Oct 18 12:23
schestowitz	rather lack of access to any	Oct 18 12:23
schestowitz	no access to data is not a way to imply this dats shows something sinister, it just means you don't get the data	Oct 18 12:24
msb	schestowitz: One could make similar BS arguments about everything that you report. How do we know that the stories of Microsoft extorting money via swpats are true? They could all be made up. Why should we trust the authors you cite? etc etc	Oct 18 12:25
msb	The particles of the dust were extensively analyzed by several different technologies.	Oct 18 12:26
msb	The thermite particles can be produced by a high-tech sol-gel process.	Oct 18 12:26
msb	It is not "poor evidence" just "cause it's dust".	Oct 18 12:27
msb	An electron beam can be focused on a sub-micron area of a particle, and the X-rays given off reveal the elements of which it's composed.	Oct 18 12:28
schestowitz	msb: actually I quote Microsoft and others saying so	Oct 18 12:28
schestowitz	extortion of money	Oct 18 12:28
schestowitz	it's in SEC filings too	Oct 18 12:28
msb	schestowitz: They could be lying for some reason.	Oct 18 12:28
msb	The SEC is corrupt.	Oct 18 12:28
schestowitz	[12:26] <msb> The particles of the dust were extensively analyzed by several different technologies.	Oct 18 12:28
schestowitz	But how was the dust obtained?	Oct 18 12:29
schestowitz	and how was its origin verified?	Oct 18 12:29
schestowitz	I could sell you moon dust	Oct 18 12:29
schestowitz	the SEC is co-opted	Oct 18 12:30
msb	To fake the dust, it would have to be fabricated by someone in one of the US national laboratories, and then given to the researchers. There would be no motive.	Oct 18 12:30
schestowitz	which makes it corrupt, yes	Oct 18 12:30
msb	schestowitz: You are using similar techniques of BS questioning that the Microsoft agents use against you and the rest of us in COLA.	Oct 18 12:31
msb	One could question that way that the Sun actually shines.	Oct 18 12:31
msb	Or that any of us exist.	Oct 18 12:31
msb	How do we know?	Oct 18 12:31
msb	Why should I trust anything that you say?	Oct 18 12:31
msb	You could be getting paid by someone.	Oct 18 12:32
schestowitz	[12:31] <msb> One could question that way that the Sun actually shines.	Oct 18 12:32
schestowitz	true	Oct 18 12:32
iophk	Enough with the epistemology, back to tech please.	Oct 18 12:32
schestowitz	gravity is still just a theory too	Oct 18 12:32
schestowitz	not much of an axiom	Oct 18 12:32
msb	What it comes down to _is_ epistemology.	Oct 18 12:32
schestowitz	but betting against gravity requires that you provide better explanations and enough to compel peers to accept it	Oct 18 12:32
schestowitz	the thermite theory advocates are failing	Oct 18 12:32
schestowitz	IIRC they managed to sneak in just on paper, whereupon editors left in protest	Oct 18 12:33
msb	It's usually not necessary to go that deep, except that we have people who won't even read the information!	Oct 18 12:33
msb	The only ones who are failing is people who wont read the paper.	Oct 18 12:33
msb	The ones who wrote it did a great job.	Oct 18 12:33
schestowitz	not that I can blame them, it's mostly an exploitative market for volunteers. Volunteer editor, writers, peer reviewers.... and the publisher rakes in all the profit	Oct 18 12:33
schestowitz	msb: some people rad abstracts	Oct 18 12:34
schestowitz	very few people read full papers unless they try to replicate something or understand a predecessor's work... or unless the paper is very revolutionary and a classic... like Shannon's Entropy or origin of the species	Oct 18 12:35
msb	schestowitz: If you are a priori opposed to what the paper proves, which you are, then reading the abstract doesn't help, because the proof is in the details of the paper.	Oct 18 12:36
schestowitz	cause you don't sell it to me	Oct 18 12:37
schestowitz	you go to conferences	Oct 18 12:37
schestowitz	you present a popster	Oct 18 12:37
amarsh04	back in a few, kexec'ing into kernel 3.1.0-rc10	Oct 18 12:37
schestowitz	and tease people into reading it	Oct 18 12:37
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schestowitz	if you fail to impress with good results or reasoning, then peer reviewers will be the only one to read the submission (except the co-authors)	Oct 18 12:37
schestowitz	and maybe you'd throw away a copy on the Web	Oct 18 12:38
schestowitz	then label it "research" even though it was possibly rejected research that did not pass muster	Oct 18 12:38
schestowitz	The Web has no fllters, which is a good and a bad	Oct 18 12:38
schestowitz	It's bad when people don't know how to filter mentally	Oct 18 12:39
msb	I'm not a salesman. I just present information to people. If they can think objectively, and realize how important the subject is, they will access the information	Oct 18 12:39
schestowitz	and then they rely on others doing it for them or removing disinfo from their minds (same with mass media)	Oct 18 12:39
msb	schestowitz: It's also bad when people filter all information according to their current internal model of the world. That pretty much prevents them from learning anything new.	Oct 18 12:40
schestowitz	msb: construction and steel frameworks are not my area	Oct 18 12:40
schestowitz	so any papers which refers to chemistry at this level I am unqualified to judge	Oct 18 12:40
schestowitz	let them try to publish this in the respective journals	Oct 18 12:40
schestowitz	Like Chomsky says, this is what they should try and do. If they fail, they fail.	Oct 18 12:41
schestowitz	You have people making all sorts of claims	Oct 18 12:41
schestowitz	And putting that on the Web	Oct 18 12:41
schestowitz	It does not make these true	Oct 18 12:41
msb	schestowitz: You have a Ph.D. I'm sure you've learned enough basic chemistry to understand that article.	Oct 18 12:41
msb	But you seem to be afraid of it.	Oct 18 12:41
schestowitz	No	Oct 18 12:42
schestowitz	I am not qualified to judge it	Oct 18 12:42
schestowitz	and based on what I have seen on yoiutube, the source of the dust cannot be verified	Oct 18 12:42
msb	There are none so blind as those who will not even look at the web page.	Oct 18 12:42
schestowitz	there was soke German guy saying that people took it with their fists	Oct 18 12:42
schestowitz	which raises all sorts of questions	Oct 18 12:43
schestowitz	and remember this was a disaster zone	Oct 18 12:43
schestowitz	and there is a lot of dust generated by 2 huge skyscrappers	Oct 18 12:43
msb	Do you think the thermite particles came from their fists?	Oct 18 12:43
schestowitz	The planes would be in the middle	Oct 18 12:43
schestowitz	The dust from the top parts of the buildings it likely to stay on top	Oct 18 12:43
msb	There is no way that any of those things could create the thermite particles seen and analyzed in that paper.	Oct 18 12:44
schestowitz	msb: no, I just think that you have to be dodgy to watch 4 planes crashing and then thinking, "hey, I think I'll go grab some dust for examination'	Oct 18 12:44
schestowitz	I doubt they could easily get in, either	Oct 18 12:45
schestowitz	Rescue workers must have shut the area	Oct 18 12:45
msb	Only 2 planes crashed in New York. And what do you mean by "dodgy"?	Oct 18 12:45
schestowitz	So I don't even know if they ever made it to the site and, if so, how close they got to it	Oct 18 12:45
msb	Some people swept the dust from their windowsills.	Oct 18 12:45
msb	It was all over lower Manhattan.	Oct 18 12:45
schestowitz	msb: people heard of 4 planes crashing	Oct 18 12:46
msb	So what?	Oct 18 12:46
schestowitz	the immediate reaction oughtn't be, "cool! let's go grab some soil as a souvenir/memorabilia"	Oct 18 12:46
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schestowitz	I was in a cab after it happened	Oct 18 12:47
msb	Out of the millions of people who lived there, a few collected some of thedust.	Oct 18 12:47
schestowitz	I had just landed	Oct 18 12:47
schestowitz	I was on a plane when 9/11 hijackings happened	Oct 18 12:47
msb	You're like the Catholics who refused to look through Galileo's telescope.	Oct 18 12:48
msb	They came up with all kinds of excuses.	Oct 18 12:49
msb	Public opinion, human nature, social pressure, fear, ... none of it affects what is true.	Oct 18 12:52
msb	Galileo and Copernicus were right -- they were telling the truth -- no matter that they were constantly attacked with bullshit arguments.	Oct 18 12:53
msb	Try reading this article: http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/KenJenkins_9-11_psychology.pdf	Oct 18 12:56
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msb	schestowitz: Maybe it's the same with you as with Ron Paul, etc. You're afraid that if the 9/11 research is true, and you acknowledge that publicly, your effectiveness in fighting Microsoft and the other corps will be decreased.	Oct 18 12:59
msb	So you never let yourself access it enough that it might convince you.	Oct 18 13:00
schestowitz	Galileo observed planets	Oct 18 13:00
schestowitz	this is not a good analogy for what you speak of	Oct 18 13:01
schestowitz	IIRC Copernicus did a whole lot of things	Oct 18 13:01
msb	Please read that pdf. Maybe it touches on the reason why you don't want to access the information.	Oct 18 13:01
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Suor_maria_celeste.jpg	Oct 18 13:04
schestowitz	"Galileo's beloved elder daughter, Virginia (Sister Maria Celeste), was particularly devoted to her father. She is buried with him in his tomb in the Basilica of Santa Croce, Florence."	Oct 18 13:04
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schestowitz	Incest after death?	Oct 18 13:04
schestowitz	Or maybe a couple of tombs?	Oct 18 13:04
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schestowitz	identi.ca is offline today	Oct 18 14:33
schestowitz	or on and off	Oct 18 14:33
schestowitz	FSF site too	Oct 18 14:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] #Linux #stable #kernel 3.0.7 http://bit.ly/nQkvcF		Oct 18 15:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] On mustard it doesn't work at all?		Oct 18 15:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @evan Intermittent issue: Status bar won't open, so only see 1 line, won't send (no button); workaround is denting from another page		Oct 18 16:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Dropbox Said No To “Nine-Digit” Acquisition Offer From Steve Jobs http://tcrn.ch/nwoeep		Oct 18 16:10
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XFaCE	hi all	Oct 18 17:04
XFaCE	hi jono, schestowitz.	Oct 18 17:07
XFaCE	sebsebseb!	Oct 18 17:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] vote! ♻ @pedroparanagua: Enquete [tendenciosa] sobre #AI5Digital no site d @AgenciaCamara http://ur1.ca/439on		Oct 18 17:17
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msb	http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/odd-signs-funny-4.jpg	Oct 18 17:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Oh, thanks! Yes, I'll take a look.		Oct 18 17:20
XFaCE	hi msb	Oct 18 17:21
msb	Hi XFaCE!	Oct 18 17:21
XFaCE	how's it going/	Oct 18 17:21
msb	Isn't that a great picture!	Oct 18 17:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Thanks. Actually, we've had a lot of downtime this month; changes in our admin process.		Oct 18 17:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] BMW to keynote #linuxconeurope next week, talk about high performance Linux: http://bit.ly/qYx0gN		Oct 18 17:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Vodafone Webbook launched in South Africa with #Ubuntu software - http://bit.ly/r2Pd9E seems appropriate...		Oct 18 17:22
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msb	Not bad. Stuck it to MS in COLA again.	Oct 18 17:22
msb	XFaCE: How are you?	Oct 18 17:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] http://ur1.ca/5fnx2 #sip_and_click		Oct 18 17:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] STOP SHORTENING URLS THAT DON'T NEED TO BE SHORTENED!Wow. I had to use caps-lock. That's fucked.		Oct 18 17:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Police 6V Waterproof Yellow Flashlight (5 x D-Cell) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme #selfdefense http://goo.gl/9AnUg		Oct 18 17:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ooh, Identica's back :)		Oct 18 17:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @dai http://ur1.ca/5fnjk It’s fashionable now to have an account on Facebook or on some other social sites. What about consequences		Oct 18 17:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] War on Fun, or how industry tries to take joy from entertainment, along with our freedoms and rights: rys.io/en/41 !cc		Oct 18 17:42
XFaCE	msb: belated yes	Oct 18 17:42
XFaCE	msb: belated I'm good ;)	Oct 18 17:42
XFaCE	msb: lol cola	Oct 18 17:42
XFaCE	I'm starting to wonder why anyone bother going there anymore	Oct 18 17:43
XFaCE	all the new can be found more reliably elsewhere	Oct 18 17:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Wojna z Radością, czyli jak korporacje próbują zawłaszczyć radość, razem z naszymi prawami i wolnościami: rys.io/pl/41 !polska		Oct 18 17:43
XFaCE	msb: It's like continuing to run an virus-infested Windows installation	Oct 18 17:44
msb	It's a bad idea to surrender any territory to the enemy.	Oct 18 17:44
msb	It's a public forum, and we shouldn't let Microsoft take it over.	Oct 18 17:44
XFaCE	good point	Oct 18 17:44
msb	People visit there to learn about Linux.	Oct 18 17:45
XFaCE	msb: well then, continue to fight the good fight I guess	Oct 18 17:45
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koolhead17	hi all	Oct 18 17:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Complexity, Why Steve Jobs Got More Coverage Than Dennis Ritchie... And What That Says About The #Patent System - http://bit.ly/q2bif0 yup		Oct 18 17:48
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XFaCE	msb: Well I didn't, I visited distrowatch and Roy's site first :P	Oct 18 17:52
XFaCE	hi koolhead17	Oct 18 17:53
koolhead17	XFaCE: supp?	Oct 18 17:53
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XFaCE	koolhead17: Studying, studying, studying, project, studying...	Oct 18 17:54
koolhead17	and what is that? i see you first time here. Seems like am new here	Oct 18 17:54
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XFaCE	koolhead17 I've been here since February	Oct 18 17:54
koolhead17	so what are you studying	Oct 18 17:55
XFaCE	Marketing	Oct 18 17:55
koolhead17	jono: got few mins	Oct 18 17:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] No. Corporations are a construct of humans and exist independently of humans. Humans are cogs. Steve Jobs is dead, but we still have Apple.		Oct 18 17:55
koolhead17	so what are we doing here. :)	Oct 18 17:55
*koolhead17 hides		Oct 18 17:55
XFaCE	koolhead17: Being incredibly sexy	Oct 18 17:55
XFaCE	Nah, j/k ;)	Oct 18 17:56
koolhead17	ooh ok	Oct 18 17:56
koolhead17	and what are you planning to sell or selling?	Oct 18 17:56
XFaCE	koolhead17: preferably something Free software related	Oct 18 17:57
XFaCE	I don't really know yet	Oct 18 17:57
XFaCE	A career is still far away in my mind	Oct 18 17:57
koolhead17	what do they teach you? how to tell lie about product :)	Oct 18 17:58
koolhead17	hahah	Oct 18 17:58
koolhead17	just kidding	Oct 18 17:58
XFaCE	koolhead17: trends, steps in making an effective marketing plan, market characteristics...lots of stuff	Oct 18 18:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: .@CharlieAngusMP: Digital locks cannot override user rights. Notes impact on consumers, journalists, documentary film makers.		Oct 18 18:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: .@CharlieAngusMP: C-11 a flawed implementation of WIPO Treaties. Notes treaties offer much more flexibility.		Oct 18 18:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: .@CharlieAngusMP: copyright part of larger digital strategy: net neutrality, spectrum essential for rural access to the Int ...		Oct 18 18:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: Daily Digital Lock Dissenter, Day 11: Biz Coalition for Balanced Copyright: leading telco, netcos speak out http://t.co/LQv ...		Oct 18 18:00
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koolhead17	i thought it differs from service to service	Oct 18 18:00
koolhead17	:D	Oct 18 18:00
XFaCE	It's very diverse	Oct 18 18:01
XFaCE	for sure.	Oct 18 18:01
koolhead17	so how are they classifying it?	Oct 18 18:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: Paradis rightly notes current copyright damage rules "way out of line" for individuals. C-11 would create lower liability cap.		Oct 18 18:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: Paradis tells House of Commons message from committee hearings was C-11 balanced. What it actually heard http://t.co/CVfb8xyJ		Oct 18 18:02
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koolhead17	and does it really require a degree in marketing :D	Oct 18 18:02
XFaCE	yes	Oct 18 18:02
XFaCE	I'm in university	Oct 18 18:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @parlementum maybe instead of copyright, corporations should have a limited existence. 20 years. :)		Oct 18 18:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] uhh...no. Afaict those are just the things that they're REQUIRED to give b/c of gpl. linux, busybox, webkit, etc.		Oct 18 18:03
koolhead17	XFaCE: where in US? i heard MBA costs a lot there	Oct 18 18:04
XFaCE	I'm in Canada	Oct 18 18:04
koolhead17	hopefully it b cheap there	Oct 18 18:05
XFaCE	price hasn't been much of a worry	Oct 18 18:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] New Stronger Whitewash - http://bit.ly/ozktzy I wonder whether we will get to see a leaked copy of the uncut Liam Fox Report?		Oct 18 18:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Implementing #GTD with Excel : Getting Things Done - #tips #pocketmod works well with #gnumeric #libreoffice http://goo.gl/2t7J1		Oct 18 18:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] Repeating Michael Geist's tweets http://identi.ca/url/54992234		Oct 18 18:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] According to the "The Corporation", corps were originally intended to have shorter lifespan when their usefulness to the public expired		Oct 18 18:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @xface sounds just like !Copyright #poorhumansgetitintheneckagain		Oct 18 18:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] not to mention any given bank would have a monopoly, assuming that other banks refuse to recognize it....		Oct 18 18:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] gasp it's afternoon... well, I guess my brain is awake now... Thanks Identicats!		Oct 18 18:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] < high time I go wrestle formatting again !selfPub		Oct 18 18:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @xface btw I believe that michael geist used to dent here via bot under @michaelgeist		Oct 18 18:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @Crosbie rt @fred_dela MLK "I have a dream" is no longer available due to a copyright claim by SME. COME ON INTERNET! !copyright		Oct 18 18:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] Indeed, "last update 3 months ago" :( I'm volunteering to be the new bot. :P @michaelgeist		Oct 18 18:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] IBM's third-quarter growth lighter than expected - (Computerworld): http://bit.ly/o4R0Tu		Oct 18 18:52
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MinceR	schestowitz: i don't care what the m$ troll says	Oct 18 19:05
MinceR	also,	Oct 18 19:05
MinceR	!google fla plasticity	Oct 18 19:05
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TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Neuromuscular Plasticity Symposium \| http://pt.phhp.ufl.edu/symposium.html	Oct 18 19:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] SGI launches Cloudera Hadoop BI clusters (Computerworld): http://bit.ly/qxyGag		Oct 18 19:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Tuesday's security updates http://ur1.ca/5fono		Oct 18 19:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] This Linux chick is bringing a little color to the future of Linux: Clarissa Womack: http://bit.ly/pFL4vx #original		Oct 18 19:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Social Engineering Poll - Endearment vs Authority - #security http://goo.gl/zqGcz		Oct 18 19:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] U.S. cyberweapons had been considered to disrupt Gaddafi’s air defenses - The Washington Post - #usa #stateterrorism http://goo.gl/KbIEY		Oct 18 19:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] you realize that most of the kde apps have been ported to windows, right...? http://windows.kde.org/		Oct 18 19:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] America is broken, now what? - http://bit.ly/olNHWn great graph: "Most of the profits from that added productivity went to Wall Street."		Oct 18 19:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] yeah, it merits the name distinction if ONLY for glibc, I literally can't think of a single program in common use that doesn't use a libc		Oct 18 19:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] and no, you can't say busybox or other statically installed, they use a libc, it's just built into the binary itself...		Oct 18 19:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] 10 Words You Might Think Came from Science (But Are Really From Science Fiction  ) http://on.io9.com/qcPxZK		Oct 18 20:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] Fifteen years of KDE http://ur1.ca/5fp3q		Oct 18 20:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] (E.G. they aren't a single coherent object, but both are essential.) Call it GNU/Linux/X11 if you want, but that's extra features on top..		Oct 18 20:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] like calling it Windows/Firefox I suppose, lots of added functionality but you can still do anything you need to w/o		Oct 18 20:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Blogging IGF: EFF fights against dangers of intermediaries as Internet police. https://eff.org/r.D7V #IGF11 #netfreedom		Oct 18 20:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Yes, our main server died. I had to promote a slave and get the other slaves synching from it, and it turned out we had some firewall stuff.		Oct 18 20:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Helpful benchmarking hint: at the bottom of each page is a comment with how long it took to generate in ms. Should be 1000-2000ms.		Oct 18 20:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] RT @evan "Getting Real" http://ur1.ca/ulnh I keep having to refer to this #37signals #gettingreal #startup		Oct 18 20:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #OccupyWallSt: Revised Monopoly space http://identi.ca/url/55006113		Oct 18 20:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Galaxies may have preferred direction of spin http://identi.ca/url/55006127 http://identi.ca/url/55006128 !science		Oct 18 20:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] the only ubuntu variant that's ethically right is !trisquel :-) ♻ @nanday: "Which Ubuntu Variant Is Right for You?"		Oct 18 20:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #OccupyWallSt: Investors Campaign To Oust Murdochs From News Corp http://identi.ca/url/55006146 !wl		Oct 18 20:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #OccupyWallSt: Luke Skywalker is the 99% http://identi.ca/url/55006185		Oct 18 20:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @evan I see it everytime I submit a status containing a URL through the XML API		Oct 18 20:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Day o'Meetings in Ubuntu - new Community Council and Community Team meeting - http://is.gd/lDZNZl #ubuntu #locoteams		Oct 18 20:58
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sultan2	msb: schestowitz: Any thoughts about this "censored" campaign? (and CSS tricks) http://www.dailypaul.com/183416/on-your-mark-get-set-bto-moneybomb-midnight-tonight	Oct 18 20:59
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sultan2	Off topic	Oct 18 20:59
sultan2	But I find it very interesting	Oct 18 20:59
sultan2	I have never seen such style of a crucial a campaign such as one for running for presidency	Oct 18 21:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @evan I'll see what I can do this evening after my LUG board of directors meeting		Oct 18 21:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is http://ur1.ca/5f2h0 with 69 dents!		Oct 18 21:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] I wouldn't say it's a req. plenty of people use windows though the name doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, logo is meh too.		Oct 18 21:05
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cubefc1	is there an IRC channel for X windows?	Oct 18 21:09
MinceR	no, but there might be one for X Window	Oct 18 21:09
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cubefc1	MinceR, maybe you can help me	Oct 18 21:11
MinceR	let's see :)	Oct 18 21:11
cubefc1	on one box I got this odd situation	Oct 18 21:11
cubefc1	graphically X is running but my text consoles are all blank	Oct 18 21:11
cubefc1	I can use ssh and look at text stuff but if I go alt-ctrl-f2 or whatever the screen is completely blank	Oct 18 21:12
cubefc1	is there a way to reset all the video card stuff so my text console works again?	Oct 18 21:12
MinceR	could you see the text consoles before x started? could you see them since booting without being blank?	Oct 18 21:12
cubefc1	yes	Oct 18 21:12
MinceR	i think i've seen this happen before and i don't know how to fix it	Oct 18 21:12
cubefc1	I could just reboot I suppose, but I was wondering maybe I can do something to reset it	Oct 18 21:13
MinceR	i use the text consoles so rarely that i don't know much about how to configure them	Oct 18 21:13
cubefc1	I can type stuff but I just can't see anything	Oct 18 21:14
MinceR	hm, maybe you could try the reset command but i doubt it helps	Oct 18 21:14
cubefc1	no, nothing there	Oct 18 21:14
cubefc1	I guess the video card is in an odd state	Oct 18 21:14
MinceR	perhaps the font is set to all-empty	Oct 18 21:14
MinceR	is the cursor visible?	Oct 18 21:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre 3.0.7-libre available as patches from 3.0-libre and 3.0.6-libre; still no tarballs from upstream		Oct 18 21:15
cubefc1	no, it's totally blank	Oct 18 21:15
cubefc1	i can see the mouse pointer in the graphical window, that is all working	Oct 18 21:15
cubefc1	oh well, time to reboot it then	Oct 18 21:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Superconducting quantum levitation http://identi.ca/url/55008619 !science		Oct 18 21:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] @evan I like that too. People can just choose whatever they want, everybody wins :D		Oct 18 21:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] “The four personality types on the spectrum of facial hair”: http://bit.ly/mVOF8e /by @sil		Oct 18 21:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] The Corporation: http://identi.ca/url/6846511 ; no charge from #InternetArchive		Oct 18 21:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] All-Electric DeLorean Car To Hit the Streets in 2013 http://identi.ca/url/55008843		Oct 18 21:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] indirect electronic, electronic 4 law revision, but physical voting using a range system		Oct 18 21:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] OpenSim considering patent protection – Hypergrid Business http://goo.gl/cZ15d Wonder what @bkuhn thinks of this idea?		Oct 18 21:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Apache Disavows Team !OpenOffice \| ITworld http://goo.gl/JMcDN Strange story with little real information		Oct 18 21:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Guest column today on cloud computing Ubuntu-style from @ak_kim0: http://bit.ly/o8TGdN #cloud #linux #original		Oct 18 21:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Foursquare moves toward ditching check-ins (CNet): http://cnet.co/qlLo6x		Oct 18 21:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Yahoo CTO Raymie Stata out, replaced by Ash Munshi (AllThingsD): http://dthin.gs/prVMAL		Oct 18 21:40
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msb	Anybody know how to send a file in IRC using konversation?	Oct 18 21:45
msb	I'm talking with Kari Laine, in Finland, from COLA.	Oct 18 21:45
cubezzz	uh oh	Oct 18 21:46
msb	He's a good guy!	Oct 18 21:46
schestowitz	yahoo cto is from smft	Oct 18 21:46
cubezzz	good :)	Oct 18 21:46
schestowitz	msb: he is cool	Oct 18 21:46
schestowitz	lovable person	Oct 18 21:46
msb	Absolutely!	Oct 18 21:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] “Free Software Foundation urges OEMs to say no to mandatory Windows 8 UEFI cage”: http://zd.net/pgmCEt !fsf		Oct 18 21:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Parallel Analysis with Google Sawzall, open sourced in August (Google Research Publications): http://bit.ly/oKtlbO		Oct 18 21:47
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msb	We're talking via IHU.	Oct 18 21:47
cubezzz	I'm keeping a journal describing various uptimes with different operating systems	Oct 18 21:47
kari_	So hello. The problem is probably the firewalls on either end	Oct 18 21:47
schestowitz	when i studied cs my first and best friend was a finnish guy	Oct 18 21:47
schestowitz	(in cs anyway)	Oct 18 21:48
schestowitz	oh, he's here	Oct 18 21:48
schestowitz	kari_: hi kari, didn't realise you were here	Oct 18 21:48
kari_	Does konversation connect directly from peer to peer so NAT get's on the way...	Oct 18 21:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] both United & City struggle to grab 3 points in their Champions League games tonight		Oct 18 21:50
kari_	There is a kernel module for netfilter aiding IRC protocol but msb has hardware router	Oct 18 21:51
*schestowitz uses konversation		Oct 18 21:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The impending hard drive shortage, and possible price hikes - Computerworld http://bit.ly/qLwEXT		Oct 18 21:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft and Apple: The Bounty and the Beast http://ur1.ca/5fq2t #swpats #android		Oct 18 21:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Novell Collapse Continues as More Customers Move to #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/5fq82 #swpats		Oct 18 22:12
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schestowitz	MinceR: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/641032	Oct 18 22:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] O indignácaro Ângelo Correia #ecotretas #energia #PT http://goo.gl/WacRv		Oct 18 22:22
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MinceR	:>	Oct 18 22:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] FDR says [IMG] http://ur1.ca/5fqc3		Oct 18 22:25
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schestowitz	http://identi.ca/notice/84644934	Oct 18 22:26
TechrightsBot-tr	@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Oct-11 21:20:24 UTC - Identi.ca: Obama: Occupy Wall Street ‘Not That Different’ From Tea Party Protests http://is.gd/TePDOR vs greed is pro-corporate welfare?!	Oct 18 22:26
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schestowitz	http://identi.ca/notice/84644908	Oct 18 22:26
TechrightsBot-tr	@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Oct-11 21:19:10 UTC - Identi.ca: Bill Gates Expected to be Dragged Into Court for Business Crimes Against Novell http://is.gd/GvdPoC #novell #antitrust	Oct 18 22:26
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schestowitz	http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2394201,00.asp#fbid=9NIiCYoB8P2	Oct 18 22:30
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MinceR	:D	Oct 18 22:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Out ACTA-ing #ACTA: All #TPP Negotiating Documents To Be Kept Secret Until Four Years After Ratification - http://bit.ly/oqKFZI #nz		Oct 18 22:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] GNU/Linux Inside stickers are back and better than ever! Got yours yet? http://ur1.ca/5fqhm !gnu !fsf !lp		Oct 18 22:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] the hockey puck hits the pigeon sitting on the US/canada border, obv.		Oct 18 22:52
schestowitz	http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2011/Oct-18.html	Oct 18 22:52
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schestowitz	MinceR: there's your chance !!	Oct 18 22:52
schestowitz	vork vis ze enemy	Oct 18 22:53
MinceR	here's my chance to not submit my resume	Oct 18 22:53
*MinceR takes his chance		Oct 18 22:53
MinceR	yay!	Oct 18 22:53
schestowitz	:>\	Oct 18 22:53
MinceR	"love garbage collection" -- i wonder if they're referring to installing mono/.net or trying to find scraps of documentation by m$	Oct 18 22:54
koolhead17	8-)	Oct 18 22:54
schestowitz	Preferable: Microsoft luv	Oct 18 22:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Government secrecy out of control: the dangers in classifying the news. https://eff.org/r.D6Z		Oct 18 22:55
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koolhead17	MinceR: supp	Oct 18 22:55
koolhead17	hey schestowitz	Oct 18 22:55
MinceR	sleep	Oct 18 22:55
schestowitz	Minimum requirement: docility	Oct 18 22:55
schestowitz	MinceR: with croutons, thank you	Oct 18 22:55
schestowitz	oops, to koolhead17	Oct 18 22:55
koolhead17	schestowitz supp	Oct 18 22:56
koolhead17	my previous employer has launched androide based tablet in india	Oct 18 22:56
koolhead17	D	Oct 18 22:56
koolhead17	haha	Oct 18 22:56
koolhead17	and his tagline says RIP desktop/laptops	Oct 18 22:56
koolhead17	:D	Oct 18 22:56
schestowitz	nice!	Oct 18 22:57
schestowitz	Well done, my friend	Oct 18 22:57
schestowitz	India does well for Linux causes	Oct 18 22:57
schestowitz	Smart people	Oct 18 22:57
schestowitz	Too many people around here think that price must correlate with quality	Oct 18 22:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #LinuxMint developers make GNOME 3 edition plans http://is.gd/OJYkbN no unity. #gnome #gnu #linux		Oct 18 22:58
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MinceR	not that gnome3 is so much better	Oct 18 22:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @pieterbeulque de max! Als we kunnen helpen met het mee naar buiten te brengen, laat maar weten hé :)		Oct 18 23:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp net alsof WS nog veel zijn twitter checkt		Oct 18 23:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @idesdebruyne als ik daar tijd voor vind doe ik dat zeker :)		Oct 18 23:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @maleadt neen		Oct 18 23:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @tdwesten #iRail kan alvast nog wat designers gebruiken ;)		Oct 18 23:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @p_vanostaeyen best knap getal op zo'n korte tijd :)		Oct 18 23:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: "Messages and opinions on this twitter account are not my own, but those of my employer." - Oh.		Oct 18 23:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @JanssensBert: Termont: Gent op weg naar open, duurzame en solidaire stad, dus met internationale b http://ur1. ...		Oct 18 23:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @idesdebruyne jap, ik zal in Warschau zijn		Oct 18 23:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Unity or Gnome Shell http://ur1.ca/5fqlc choice.		Oct 18 23:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @idesdebruyne kom jij ook?		Oct 18 23:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Is Brazil The Most Linux-Friendly Country On Earth? http://is.gd/pCOXhq #brazil		Oct 18 23:02
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: Manila Standard Today -- -- 2011/october/18 .::. Size~: 28.28 KB	Oct 18 23:02
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koolhead17	schestowitz is brazil really so linux riendly ?	Oct 18 23:02
schestowitz	yes	Oct 18 23:02
schestowitz	high usage of linux there	Oct 18 23:03
schestowitz	and govt. support	Oct 18 23:03
schestowitz	lula is a big fan	Oct 18 23:03
schestowitz	brazil is deep in debt	Oct 18 23:03
schestowitz	and popultion expands quickly	Oct 18 23:03
schestowitz	they can't let the US play with them like a puppetmaster	Oct 18 23:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] What's all this about identi.ca dying?		Oct 18 23:03
koolhead17	schestowitz unlike india :P	Oct 18 23:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Take a Walk on the Zen Side http://ur1.ca/5fqn6 #zenwalk #linux		Oct 18 23:05
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. .::. Size~: 101.02 KB	Oct 18 23:05
schestowitz	http://www.efytimes.com/e1/creativenews.asp?edid=71496	Oct 18 23:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Ubuntu 11.10 is a complete operating system available at no cost http://is.gd/xTh1FG and it's not just about cost		Oct 18 23:08
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: Ubuntu 11.10 is a complete operating system available at no cost - Computeractive downloads .::. Size~: 73.68 KB	Oct 18 23:08
schestowitz	http://identi.ca/notice/84645610	Oct 18 23:10
TechrightsBot-tr	@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Oct-11 22:02:02 UTC - Identi.ca: Open source jobs: What's hot, where to look, what to learn http://is.gd/GMZfh0 #freesw #us	Oct 18 23:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] According to Wikipedia, GNU/Linux usage on desktops keeps growing each year/month.		Oct 18 23:10
MinceR	gn	Oct 18 23:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] News Blog Post \| Properly Setting A Default Web Browser http://goo.gl/Sn71s #Linux #Gnome #XFCE #Ubuntu #fb		Oct 18 23:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Foursquare working on eliminating check-ins with automatic location tagging (Computerworld): http://bit.ly/nugAbq		Oct 18 23:12
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: Properly Setting A Default Web Browser \| The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 22.82 KB	Oct 18 23:12
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: Foursquare aims for more automated content push - Computerworld .::. Size~: 127.4 KB	Oct 18 23:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @fsf: GNU/Linux Inside stickers are back and better than ever! Got yours yet? http://ur1.ca/5fqhm #gnu #fsf #lp		Oct 18 23:15
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: GNU/Linux Inside stickers are back and better than ever! — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software .::. Size~: 25.83 KB	Oct 18 23:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] WTF! ♻ @glynmoody: Out ACTA-ing ACTA: All TPP Negotiating Documents To Be Kept Secret Until 4 Years After Ratification http://bit.ly/oqKFZI		Oct 18 23:17
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: Out ACTA-ing ACTA: All TPP Negotiating Documents To Be Kept Secret Until Four Years After Ratification \| Techdirt .::. Size~: 44.7 KB	Oct 18 23:17
schestowitz	Stallman's politics in his own words:	Oct 18 23:18
schestowitz	[quote]	Oct 18 23:18
schestowitz	I'm used to occasional accusations of being a Communist, but usually	Oct 18 23:18
schestowitz	this is done by people who would rather argue against Communism than	Oct 18 23:18
schestowitz	against my actual views. But it's a new experience to see someone who	Oct 18 23:18
schestowitz	means me well by it.	Oct 18 23:18
schestowitz	It isn't accurate, though. I work on free software to give software	Oct 18 23:18
schestowitz	users freedom, which is nothing at all like Communism. I've been partly	Oct 18 23:18
schestowitz	influenced by leftist Anarchism, by the idea of a world in which people	Oct 18 23:18
schestowitz	voluntarily arrange to work together for the general good, but not at	Oct 18 23:18
schestowitz	all by Communism.	Oct 18 23:18
schestowitz	The best way to understand and explain my views is to compare them with	Oct 18 23:18
schestowitz	the environmental movement and the consumer movement. They too aim to	Oct 18 23:18
schestowitz	stop certain specific business practices on the grounds that they hurt	Oct 18 23:18
schestowitz	the public. When proprietary software prohibits people from working	Oct 18 23:18
schestowitz	together and cooperating voluntarily, that pollutes the good will at the	Oct 18 23:18
schestowitz	root of society. I want to stop this kind of pollution.	Oct 18 23:18
schestowitz	[/quote]	Oct 18 23:18
schestowitz	http://tinyurl.com/6gbrc8v (eatthestate.org via archive.org)	Oct 18 23:18
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: Free Software, Anyone? (June 24, 1998) .::. Size~: 28.1 KB	Oct 18 23:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Interested in volunteering for #LCA2012? Volunteer registrations are now open! http://t.co/FxrAyF4X		Oct 18 23:20
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schestowitz	koolhead17: http://identi.ca/notice/84645612 http://identi.ca/conversation/84590023#notice-84645612	Oct 18 23:21
TechrightsBot-tr	@Sander (sandersch)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Oct-11 22:02:16 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz They're up there.	Oct 18 23:21
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 12.74 KB	Oct 18 23:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] okay, if you've added @tekk@tekk.smuns.ch, remove and readd, if not, add. identica down means more people should be federating...		Oct 18 23:22
koolhead17	sander commented	Oct 18 23:22
schestowitz	http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20111018PR205.html	Oct 18 23:23
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: Digitimes Research: Taiwan handset shipment growth under 10% in 4Q11 .::. Size~: 78.83 KB	Oct 18 23:23
schestowitz	koolhead17: on brazil http://identi.ca/notice/84635891	Oct 18 23:29
TechrightsBot-tr	@bjavotte (bjavotte)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Oct-11 01:25:33 UTC - Identi.ca: RT @communix Poll: @RMS Richard Stallman: "If you want freedom don't follow Linus Torvalds." Do you agree? !fsf !Linux http://ur1.ca/5cgpb	Oct 18 23:29
TechrightsBot-tr	-> Title: communix's poll: @RMS Richard Stallman: "If you want freedom don't follow Linus Torvalds." Do you agree? !fsf !Linux - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 10.63 KB	Oct 18 23:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] WO jak zwykle awesome. ur1.ca/5fqu9		Oct 18 23:30
koolhead17	ok	Oct 18 23:30
koolhead17	waoo	Oct 18 23:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WaPo dep ed Jackson Diehl: Assange terrible journalist http://t.co/3v6ValcT Compare Diehl's pre-Iraq war journalism http://t.co/fDjCIBiS		Oct 18 23:32
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schestowitz	http://www.muktware.com/blogs/2716	Oct 18 23:33
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: Ubuntu 11.10, Back To Old Days Of Broken Linux \| Muktware .::. Size~: 33.99 KB	Oct 18 23:33
schestowitz	Molly Wood is some fairly nw cnet troll whose purpose is to flame fanboys for traffic	Oct 18 23:36
schestowitz	Like this.. http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-20120623-256/dear-android-this-is-your-last-chance/?tag=TOCcarouselMain.0	Oct 18 23:36
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: Dear Android: This is your last chance \| Molly Rants - CNET News .::. Size~: 76.52 KB	Oct 18 23:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Apache #Cassandra reaches foretold version 1.0 http://is.gd/oLypnC #foss		Oct 18 23:38
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: Apache Cassandra reaches foretold version 1.0 - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 41.78 KB	Oct 18 23:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Linux Beats the Maker of Macintoy http://ur1.ca/5fqx0 iPhone/iOS: Android for children.		Oct 18 23:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] ♺ @jonkulp: RT @nybill @redbrain Ah nice. Good to hear from you.		Oct 18 23:42
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: Motorola's RAZR Makes iPhone 4S Look Like A Toy! \| Muktware .::. Size~: 33.15 KB	Oct 18 23:42
koolhead17	http://www.muktware.com/news/2723 am going to get this then :)	Oct 18 23:42
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: Motorola's RAZR Makes iPhone 4S Look Like A Toy! \| Muktware .::. Size~: 33.15 KB	Oct 18 23:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] err... http://ur1.ca/562uo?		Oct 18 23:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #OccupyWallSt: Advice to the 1% from Lemony Snicket http://identi.ca/url/55021428		Oct 18 23:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] CMD Demands Investigation of Facebook's Impact on #Privacy http://is.gd/K8m8go #democracy		Oct 18 23:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] O.o I was able to subscribe fine, what are you doing?(step by step preferably)		Oct 18 23:48
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: Advice to the 1% from Lemony Snicket – Boing Boing .::. Size~: 25.07 KB	Oct 18 23:48
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schestowitz	http://identi.ca/notice/84645746	Oct 18 23:53
TechrightsBot-tr	@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Oct-11 22:11:13 UTC - Identi.ca: #GNU #Linux Saves the Day http://ur1.ca/5fqpd #ubuntu	Oct 18 23:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Steve Jobs Delays Release of Android 4 http://is.gd/HKWlyP #android #linux #google		Oct 18 23:53
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: AnandTech - Samsung and Google Android Event Moved to October 19 .::. Size~: 47.93 KB	Oct 18 23:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] The Dangers in Classifying the News \| EFF http://t.co/Biuygs2o		Oct 18 23:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] could the damage of #uefi restricted boot be mitigated by taking out the chip and replacing it w/ #coreboot? could literally save !fs		Oct 18 23:57
TechrightsBot-tr	@:	Oct 18 23:57
schestowitz	"wow, good to see that these articles still make rounds on the web. It reminds me of the Linux install fests and wonder at how far has it come from such things "	Oct 18 23:57
schestowitz	http://joindiaspora.com/posts/642856	Oct 18 23:57
TechrightsBot-tr	@:	Oct 18 23:57
schestowitz	It's now simpler than anything else in some areas.	Oct 18 23:57

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