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| schestowitz | Ubuntu is no toy | Oct 30 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | It's Debian with a more familiar brand now | Oct 30 00:00 |
| schestowitz | But I just don't see its advantage over Debian | Oct 30 00:00 |
| schestowitz | No ShipIt, either (not anymore) | Oct 30 00:00 |
| schestowitz | I think some of our IT people are UNIX n00bs | Oct 30 00:00 |
| schestowitz | So they just want to do the least to install LUNIX ont he irons | Oct 30 00:01 |
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| DaemonFC | I think their selling point is commercial services | Oct 30 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | like Landscape | Oct 30 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | and that automated deployment stuff | Oct 30 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | Debian doesn't have that | Oct 30 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | if you need services like that, then you should have to pay for them | Oct 30 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | it isn't something that dedicated people on salary are going to provide for free | Oct 30 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | The actual binaries for the system are identical whether you pay them or not, and you can probably get away with maintaining a few Ubuntu servers without paying them a dime | Oct 30 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Orchetrator? | Oct 30 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | but if you want it to scale to dozens, hundreds, thousands of systems, you want their support services | Oct 30 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, that's it | Oct 30 00:08 |
| schestowitz | MarkS just mentioned it | Oct 30 00:08 |
| schestowitz | They realign to make $ now | Oct 30 00:08 |
| schestowitz | seems like a server strategy | Oct 30 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | I think the Ubuntu Server deal is better than having to pay Red Hat or use recompiled binaries that may not be 100% compatible | Oct 30 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat does something similar | Oct 30 00:08 |
| schestowitz | I use kvm with proxmox as front end that's web based | Oct 30 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't throw around binary compatibility as a carrot on a stick like RHEL does | Oct 30 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not implying there is anything wrong with RHEL clones, there's not, but nobody is going to make any ironclad claims that it is fully RHEL compatible and there's nobody you can call if it starts acting up | Oct 30 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | you can run the same software on Ubuntu whether you pay them or not and it has the same ABI/API | Oct 30 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | and I think that's a great thing | Oct 30 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | it just gets easier to manage massive deployments with their paid services | Oct 30 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | if you want RHEL and any guarantees that it's RHEL compatible, you pay Red Hat, whether you use one system or a thousand | Oct 30 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | at least for desktop software, it's getting to be a pain in the ass to avoid Ubuntu | Oct 30 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | there's simply so much software packaged for it, and the latest version is almost always in a PPA somewhere | Oct 30 00:13 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/hnfirehose/statuses/130398668049223680 | Oct 30 00:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @hnfirehose: An interesting MS antitrust exhibit about MS-IBM and OS/2: http://t.co/hvbk6bgc | Oct 30 00:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Oct 30 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | there's plenty of good things to say about Ubuntu | Oct 30 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | but there's stuff that bugs me too :) | Oct 30 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | I think Ayatana is completely ass backwards | Oct 30 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | and amounts to a downstream fork of a lot of things | Oct 30 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | of course that wouldn't affect a server at all | Oct 30 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | which doesn't even have X by default | Oct 30 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | #Microsoft #Skype Fights Benevolent API Hacking http://techrights.org/2011/10/29/microsoft-skype-api-war/ | Oct 30 01:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Skype Fights Benevolent API Hacking | Techrights .::. Size~: 91.22 KB | Oct 30 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Escape [IMG] https://joindiaspora.com/posts/695371 | Oct 30 01:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Oct 30 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They've basically given up trying to fight off people from using Microsoft Notification and Presence protocol | Oct 30 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | there was a time when they were making changes a lot just to try to break Pidgin | Oct 30 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | which is petty | Oct 30 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | now there's a TOS clause that states using MSNP with anything other than Microsoft software is grounds for account deletion | Oct 30 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | though I've never heard of them doing it | Oct 30 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | I've been using MSNP on GAIM/Pidgin for many years | Oct 30 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | there's still a couple contacts I have that won't switch to something else | Oct 30 01:40 |
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| schestowitz | #SCOracle: Possibly Many Years in the Making, #Linux Innocence Upheld | Oct 30 01:43 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2011/10/29/larry-ellison-in-thermonuclear-war/ | Oct 30 01:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: SCOracle: Possibly Many Years in the Making, Linux Innocence Upheld | Techrights .::. Size~: 92.37 KB | Oct 30 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The original MSNP was submitted to the IETF | Oct 30 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | the nMicrosoft changed their minds and decided not to standardize it | Oct 30 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | so much of what's known about MSNP is from the original IETF document from 1999 | Oct 30 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | the rest has had to be reverse engineered with things like packet sniffing | Oct 30 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | each new version just adds things to the existing protocol, so if you don't mind missing features, you can use a third party implementation | Oct 30 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | Pidgin claims to speak MSNP version 16, from 2007 | Oct 30 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | but it doesn't fully support that | Oct 30 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | it just has to lie or else the server will bounce it back with a message to upgrade your Windows Live Messenger client | Oct 30 01:51 |
| schestowitz | "That's actually a really clever tactic. I hope it works for them." http://joindiaspora.com/posts/697035 | Oct 30 01:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Oct 30 01:56 |
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| DaemonFC | I think Dawn is finally in a committed relationship. In the past few hours they've gon from fighting to fucking, to figuring out what they need at the grocery store | Oct 30 01:25 |
| schestowitz | omeservers went crazy due to DST | Oct 30 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Now I can go to bed.... | Oct 30 01:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: we'll see what happens in Dawn | Oct 30 01:31 |
| schestowitz | An hour has just been shaves here | Oct 30 01:31 |
| schestowitz | *shaved | Oct 30 01:31 |
| schestowitz | gn | Oct 30 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | you shave a man's back, and he'll purr like a walrus | Oct 30 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | -Peter Griffin | Oct 30 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/ubuntugnomeshellremix-large_001.jpg | Oct 30 01:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Oct 30 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | the unofficial (and broken) Ubuntu GNOME remix still features Mono and Banshee | Oct 30 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://ubuntu-gs-remix.sourceforge.net/p/release-notes/ | Oct 30 01:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Release Notes - Ubuntu GNOME Shell Remix .::. Size~: 5.5 KB | Oct 30 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | here's how it's broken | Oct 30 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | it will work, albeit with a lot of bugs | Oct 30 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | and you won't be able to do a direct upgrade when 12.04 is out | Oct 30 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | people who want to use GNOME Shell in Ubuntu are going to have to also have Unity and Unity 2d and LightDM | Oct 30 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | Canonical made sure there's no escaping that | Oct 30 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | the only real thing "to do" here is wait until Linux Mint or Debian migrate to GNOME 3 and are willing to properly stand by it | Oct 30 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | [21:47] [DCC] XFaCE offers to send you "finger_in_pigs.png" (112.5 KiB)... | Oct 30 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | it is impolite to send DCC requests to someone who didn't ask for it | Oct 30 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 01:48 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: CAn you ask then? | Oct 30 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | nope :) | Oct 30 01:49 |
| XFaCE | :) | Oct 30 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | I generally don't allow DCC | Oct 30 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | I just forgot to block it | Oct 30 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | thanks for reminding me though | Oct 30 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | I set it to ignore CTCP and DCC from * | Oct 30 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 01:50 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/267/fingerinpigs.png/ | Oct 30 01:51 |
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| DaemonFC | http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4302/snapshot17o.png | Oct 30 01:52 |
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| XFaCE | daemonfc: "no just use your mouse and keboard" | Oct 30 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | Richard Stallman doesn't type or use a mouse | Oct 30 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | he has his beard use his mouse and keyboard to instruct a daemon to fetch a web page for him | Oct 30 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | it may not sound practical to you, but it's a very efficient use of his time | Oct 30 01:55 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: He actually elaborated why he did it in one of his recent feeds. | Oct 30 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | because he's weird and can't use a web browser like a normal person does? | Oct 30 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what news client he uses to harass OpenBSD with | Oct 30 01:59 |
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| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Because he avoids cookies and other tracing stuff | Oct 30 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | you can do that anyway | Oct 30 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | If Ubuntu applied their TOS to everyone, they wouldn't have any moderators | Oct 30 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | I have yet to see one that isn't annoying, bitchy, smarmy, condescending, and rude | Oct 30 02:18 |
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| schestowitz | DROID4 Based on Linux, Has Keyboard, Internet, More http://is.gd/xBuAT4 #android #linux | Oct 30 08:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I wish they'd quit making them so big | Oct 30 08:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | 3.5" is really perfect for screen size due to the length of the human thumb | Oct 30 08:21 |
| schestowitz | #Linux Phones Pay Off at Motorola/Google http://is.gd/gZLJKF | Oct 30 08:24 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: still hard to type fast on it | Oct 30 08:24 |
| schestowitz | Richard Stallman is coming to speak in the UK. http://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2011/event:-a-free-digital-society,-with-richard-stallman | Oct 30 08:28 |
| schestowitz | Bing Filters LibreOffice And Linux, Yet Firefox Goes In Bed http://is.gd/UtM8Zc #mozilla #propaganda #microsoft | Oct 30 08:36 |
| schestowitz | irefox Feeds The Mouth That Bites It; Starts To Bing http://www.muktware.com/blogs/2826 | Oct 30 08:36 |
| schestowitz | "The Mouth That Bites" other FOSS too. Not good.. | Oct 30 08:36 |
| schestowitz | identi.ca is down and the site has not been working correctly (e.g. APIs) for about 3 days now. Any idea when it gets fixed? | Oct 30 08:42 |
| schestowitz | "just fired on my vpn and checked if bing would give weird results for libreoffice, but nothing out of the normal. Maybe its because of this? http://www.ted.com/talks/eli_pariser_beware_online_filter_bubbles.html " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/698374 | Oct 30 08:43 |
| schestowitz | Interesting. | Oct 30 08:43 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/698318 "I am using a Droid2 (named Milestone2 in Germany) and I love it. Would like to have one of those Droid4 phones! :)" | Oct 30 08:50 |
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| iophk | http://www.josetteorama.com/interview/ekiga-open-source-softphone-video-conferencing-and-instant-messenger/ | Oct 30 09:08 |
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| schestowitz | he is not a hippie with a beard like the stereotype goes | Oct 30 09:29 |
| sebsebseb | Hi | Oct 30 09:29 |
| schestowitz | hello | Oct 30 09:29 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hi | Oct 30 09:29 |
| schestowitz | "http://me.hippofield.com/2011/10/zentyal-linux.html" | Oct 30 09:30 |
| schestowitz | This site requires JavaScript. | Oct 30 09:30 |
| schestowitz | You can still visit a non-dynamic version of this blog. | Oct 30 09:30 |
| schestowitz | :/ | Oct 30 09:30 |
| schestowitz | GNOME 3.3.1 Development Release http://lwn.net/Articles/464867/ | Oct 30 09:33 |
| schestowitz | Why I (A/L)GPL http://zedshaw.com/essays/why_i_gpl.html #gpl #gnu | Oct 30 09:34 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: ok nice | Oct 30 09:34 |
| sebsebseb | Gnome 3.3.1 | Oct 30 09:35 |
| schestowitz | Why I (A/L)GPL http://zedshaw.com/essay#Nokia Replaces Symbian With #Linux http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20111028PD207.htmls/why_i_gpl.html #gpl #gnu | Oct 30 09:41 |
| schestowitz | iophk: got a package from Finland | Oct 30 09:41 |
| schestowitz | Entropy key | Oct 30 09:41 |
| schestowitz | have you heard of it? | Oct 30 09:41 |
| iophk | What's it do. | Oct 30 09:42 |
| schestowitz | help select good passwords | Oct 30 09:42 |
| iophk | Is it software or firmware? | Oct 30 09:42 |
| schestowitz | firmware | Oct 30 09:43 |
| iophk | How does it work? Is it a dongle that you have to plug in? | Oct 30 09:43 |
| schestowitz | yes,exactly | Oct 30 09:43 |
| iophk | Cool. | Oct 30 09:44 |
| iophk | How do you get the system to pay attention to it rather than its own PRNG? | Oct 30 09:44 |
| schestowitz | I haven't reviewed that yet | Oct 30 09:44 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2011/10/27/entropy-key/ | Oct 30 09:44 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Deleted dents still gone hmm | Oct 30 09:45 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: deleted/lost | Oct 30 09:46 |
| schestowitz | huh? | Oct 30 09:47 |
| schestowitz | They lost data? | Oct 30 09:47 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yep | Oct 30 09:47 |
| sebsebseb | and I thought you knew | Oct 30 09:47 |
| sebsebseb | recently they lost five days worth of dents | Oct 30 09:47 |
| schestowitz | http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/6878.html | Oct 30 09:47 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: bah | Oct 30 09:47 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: also it seems it may only be mainly Evan running Identica now, going by something I read | Oct 30 09:48 |
| iophk | sebsebseb: microblogging seems to combine the biggest weakenesses of chat with e-mail. | Oct 30 09:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: oh? | Oct 30 09:48 |
| schestowitz | Feeding the trolls http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/6878.html #redhat #uefi | Oct 30 09:48 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: also it seems as a result of this eightyeight has decided to stop using Identica for now and maybe never use it again | Oct 30 09:50 |
| sebsebseb | not sure who that is, but one of the first people to use it | Oct 30 09:50 |
| sebsebseb | and I think you have had contact with them | Oct 30 09:50 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: as a result of the dents being lost/deleted I meant for eightyeight above | Oct 30 09:52 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: What do you mean? | Oct 30 09:52 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think microblogging is good, but 140 characters can be a bit to short really at times | Oct 30 09:52 |
| iophk | among other things, it has a bad signal to noise ratio | Oct 30 09:53 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: however most of my dents get ignored by people | Oct 30 09:53 |
| sebsebseb | plus I am mainly denting Mageia stuff really | Oct 30 09:53 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Oct 30 09:53 |
| sebsebseb | well not that many in the Mageia group, Mageia user no dents from it anymore, and more subscribed to that | Oct 30 09:53 |
| iophk | 140 characters are wrapped in several K of garbage. that's a lot of overhead for just some text | Oct 30 09:53 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah quite a lot of the Mageia people are Twitter people so hmm | Oct 30 09:53 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: several k of garbage? | Oct 30 09:53 |
| sebsebseb | I like Identica and last.fm :) | Oct 30 09:54 |
| sebsebseb | got a Facebook since well loads of other people do | Oct 30 09:54 |
| iophk | Download a dent or a tweet and look at the file size. Then compare that to the number of bytes actually used for the message. | Oct 30 09:54 |
| sebsebseb | as for a Googlehype still not signed up for one :) | Oct 30 09:54 |
| sebsebseb | also I got a disapora whatever it's called, but don't realy use that | Oct 30 09:54 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't download dents/tweets, but sure I guess that's what it would do on the Identica backup feature? | Oct 30 09:54 |
| sebsebseb | and IRC is stll my prefered way of online communication :) | Oct 30 09:55 |
| sebsebseb | don't like sending emails much either | Oct 30 09:55 |
| sebsebseb | well IRC and instant messaging make that | Oct 30 09:55 |
| schestowitz | "Nokia? Never again!" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/698643 That's what Microsoft deals do | Oct 30 09:55 |
| iophk | schestowitz: lot's of non-tech people are saying, "no more Nokia products", these days. | Oct 30 09:56 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: ok so the version of LInux that htey are making | Oct 30 09:56 |
| iophk | Some are going for the iPhone. Others to Android. | Oct 30 09:56 |
| sebsebseb | which I have read about before | Oct 30 09:56 |
| sebsebseb | people pay for it? | Oct 30 09:56 |
| sebsebseb | that's the impression I get from that aticle | Oct 30 09:56 |
| sebsebseb | as for Symbian they could have continued workin on it realy, but ah well | Oct 30 09:57 |
| iophk | If Nokia hadn't taken in Elop they would have had a winner product with their Linux phone. | Oct 30 09:57 |
| sebsebseb | also phones whatever, they are all propritary really | Oct 30 09:57 |
| sebsebseb | very commerical | Oct 30 09:57 |
| sebsebseb | yeah phones they are all propritary really | Oct 30 09:57 |
| iophk | He produced a double Osbourne effect. | Oct 30 09:57 |
| iophk | Reminder: http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/10/dennis-ritchie-day.html | Oct 30 09:58 |
| sebsebseb | Who's iophk? :D someone new to this channel? :) | Oct 30 09:58 |
| iophk | Tim O'Reilley is trying to organize some small recognition for the late Dennis Ritchie | Oct 30 10:00 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: the average consumer loves Apple well not quite, but a lot oh yeah | Oct 30 10:01 |
| sebsebseb | so yep they will be wanting the Hypephone as schestowitz would call it | Oct 30 10:01 |
| sebsebseb | also Canonical know that there are a lot of people who have Macs already, or would have really if they are cheaper hence Ubuntu going more Mac OS X like since 10.04 | Oct 30 10:01 |
| sebsebseb | plus Mark prefers Iphone over Android as he said in a open week session | Oct 30 10:02 |
| iophk | As long as they take only good ideas and not the bad ideas, it's ok. | Oct 30 10:02 |
| sebsebseb | and Canonical employees have been making art work and such on Mac OS X and what not | Oct 30 10:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: What distro/s do you use? | Oct 30 10:02 |
| iophk | Right now mainly OS X (sorry, i"m stuck for right now) and the *buntu family. Lately, I've been trying to decide about Unity, but before that I was using Xubuntu and for quite a few years Kubuntu was my main/only distro. | Oct 30 10:04 |
| sebsebseb | your stuck using Mac OS X for now? | Oct 30 10:04 |
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| iophk | Hardware issues. | Oct 30 10:04 |
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| sebsebseb | heh I see why you made the comment you did just now, it's ok Ubuntu going more Mac OS X like, if only the good ideas | Oct 30 10:05 |
| sebsebseb | heh I see why you made that comment now, or might have partly | Oct 30 10:05 |
| sebsebseb | :D | Oct 30 10:05 |
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| sebsebseb | Ok what are your hardware issues? | Oct 30 10:05 |
| iophk | There's no point in copying only the bad ideas, but it happens. | Oct 30 10:05 |
| iophk | Overheating. | Oct 30 10:05 |
| sebsebseb | on your Mac? | Oct 30 10:05 |
| iophk | Yes. | Oct 30 10:06 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Oct 30 10:06 |
| sebsebseb | ,but you made it sound like you were stuck using your Mac? | Oct 30 10:06 |
| iophk | Until the issues are resolved, yes. | Oct 30 10:06 |
| *amarsh04 finds the current Linux kernel quite ok: Linux version 3.1.0+ (root@am64) (gcc version 4.6.2 (Debian 4.6.2-1) ) #11 SMP Fri Oct 28 19:28:32 CST 2011 | Oct 30 10:06 | |
| sebsebseb | and I meant since you like Mac OS X, you would probably be quite ok with Ubuntu going more Mac OS X like really. | Oct 30 10:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: use another computer, if you got hardware issues? | Oct 30 10:07 |
| iophk | Not really, Ubuntu has already gone more than far enough that direction. | Oct 30 10:07 |
| iophk | Same issue on different hardware. | Oct 30 10:07 |
| iophk | when is bugzilla.kernel.org back up and running? | Oct 30 10:07 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: are you the guy they had on Techbytes talking about Mac OS X? | Oct 30 10:07 |
| iophk | Nope | Oct 30 10:07 |
| sebsebseb | ok | Oct 30 10:07 |
| iophk | It's not really apparent what Canonical is trying to accomplish with Unity. | Oct 30 10:08 |
| sebsebseb | they are trying to compete agaisn Mac OS X, whilst hoping that by doing so, they will win loads more of the average consumers over | Oct 30 10:08 |
| iophk | Simplification is good, but that can be done by customizing KDE | Oct 30 10:08 |
| sebsebseb | they want Ubuntu to go main streame | Oct 30 10:08 |
| sebsebseb | they want loads of non technical people using it | Oct 30 10:09 |
| iophk | Compete != Copy, though I gather than many people confuse the two. | Oct 30 10:09 |
| sebsebseb | what does != mean, never really undrstand when people do stuff like that | Oct 30 10:09 |
| sebsebseb | not the same as? | Oct 30 10:09 |
| iophk | Yes, not the same as. | Oct 30 10:09 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well yeah they copy some of the same fatures as Mac OS X or make very similar in Unity for example | Oct 30 10:09 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then Unity has it's own features as well | Oct 30 10:09 |
| iophk | If they want loads of non-technical users, then they can try to break into the OEM market. | Oct 30 10:10 |
| sebsebseb | well they been doing that as well | Oct 30 10:10 |
| sebsebseb | getting some deals there | Oct 30 10:10 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Have you tried GNome Shell? | Oct 30 10:11 |
| schestowitz | "Bravo Kubuntu!" http://dasublogbyprashanth.blogspot.com/2011/10/review-kubuntu-1110-oneiric-ocelot.html #gnu #linux #kde | Oct 30 10:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Das U-Blog by Prashanth: Review: Kubuntu 11.10 "Oneiric Ocelot" .::. Size~: 98.41 KB | Oct 30 10:11 |
| iophk | No. I've (re-)tried XFCE | Oct 30 10:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ok well you have used Unity ok | Oct 30 10:12 |
| sebsebseb | now you should try Gnome Shell really as well :) | Oct 30 10:12 |
| iophk | I still like KDE nut am not nearly as productive with 4 as I was with 3.x | Oct 30 10:12 |
| sebsebseb | the proper interface for GNome 3, from upstream Gnome :) | Oct 30 10:12 |
| sebsebseb | http://gnome3.org | Oct 30 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: GNOME 3 | GNOME .::. Size~: 16.29 KB | Oct 30 10:12 |
| sebsebseb | http://gnome3.org | Oct 30 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: GNOME 3 | GNOME .::. Size~: 16.73 KB | Oct 30 10:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well there's a KDE 3 fork | Oct 30 10:13 |
| sebsebseb | the Trinity Project | Oct 30 10:13 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah I prefer KDE 3 really myself, but not used it for so long now | Oct 30 10:13 |
| sebsebseb | also some distros set up KDE 4 to be more KDE 3 like by default anyway, such as Mageia :) | Oct 30 10:13 |
| sebsebseb | and I guess PC Linux OS really as well | Oct 30 10:13 |
| sebsebseb | and old versions of Mandriva before 2011 used to do that as well, 2011 has it's own changes here and there to KDE such as a menu which is more Unity and GNome Shell like by default, instead of the normal KDE menu | Oct 30 10:14 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: also you might want to listen to Techbytes episode 61, me and schestowitz, talking about loads of stuff, Mageia, Mandriva, Ubuntu, Mint, PC Linux OS, Gnome, KDE, Identica, and so on | Oct 30 10:15 |
| schestowitz | #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 11.10 "a very decent and polished product." http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/ubuntu-ocelot.html | Oct 30 10:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ubuntu 11.10 Oneiric Ocelot review - Damn good .::. Size~: 44.5 KB | Oct 30 10:15 |
| sebsebseb | !google Techbytes episode 61 | Oct 30 10:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - TechBytes Episode 61: Sebastian on Mageia and the GNU/Linux ... | http://techrights.org/2011/09/24/techbytes-episode-61/ | Oct 30 10:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - TechBytes Episode 62: I Told You So | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/10/03/techbytes-episode-62/ | Oct 30 10:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Bytes Media - TechBytes Episode 61: Mageia GNU/Linux and ... | http://bytesmedia.co.uk/2011/09/25/techbytes-episode-61-mageia-gnulinux-and-sebsebseb/ | Oct 30 10:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - TechBytes (techbytes) group - Identi.ca | http://identi.ca/group/techbytes | Oct 30 10:15 |
| schestowitz | #GNU #Linux Advocacy Advice http://www.junauza.com/2011/10/how-to-convince-your-friends-into-using.html #freedom | Oct 30 10:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How to Convince Your Friends to Use Linux Without Being a Jerk | TechSource .::. Size~: 93.17 KB | Oct 30 10:18 |
| iophk | The best advocacy is to provide some opportunity for them to actually use it. Hands-on is about the only way break through the disinformation spread by Microsoft. | Oct 30 10:19 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Oct 30 10:19 |
| schestowitz | or show them | Oct 30 10:19 |
| sebsebseb | or get them to install it | Oct 30 10:19 |
| sebsebseb | I tried to help somene install Linu Mint 11 recently | Oct 30 10:19 |
| schestowitz | or install for them | Oct 30 10:19 |
| schestowitz | some are afraid to | Oct 30 10:19 |
| sebsebseb | unfortuantly someone else ended up setting it up for her though :( | Oct 30 10:19 |
| sebsebseb | the partitioning | Oct 30 10:20 |
| sebsebseb | wanted her to know how to partition, but no someone messed that up for me, may get a chance to teach her partitining another time though | Oct 30 10:20 |
| iophk | The live CDs are good for demos, too. | Oct 30 10:22 |
| sebsebseb | true | Oct 30 10:22 |
| sebsebseb | or virtual machines even to an extent | Oct 30 10:22 |
| iophk | Dualboot is also easy to set up and is often the next step after trying the live CD. | Oct 30 10:22 |
| sebsebseb | and even Wubi the Ubuntu WIndows installer or the Mint one or the DEBIAN one | Oct 30 10:22 |
| sebsebseb | really | Oct 30 10:22 |
| iophk | IMHO that's why the move against UEFI | Oct 30 10:22 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: read two good things explianign about UEFI | Oct 30 10:23 |
| sebsebseb | recently | Oct 30 10:23 |
| sebsebseb | one was from the Linux Foundation | Oct 30 10:23 |
| sebsebseb | PDF's | Oct 30 10:23 |
| amarsh04 | an external hdd on a pc that can be made to boot from external drives could be helpful also | Oct 30 10:23 |
| schestowitz | 2011 Linux Graphics Survey Results http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=lgs_2011_results&num=1 #linux #gpu | Oct 30 10:23 |
| sebsebseb | the other was from | Oct 30 10:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [Phoronix] 2011 Linux Graphics Survey Results .::. Size~: 19.42 KB | Oct 30 10:23 |
| sebsebseb | someone form Canonical, someone from Redhat, and someone that works on the kernel | Oct 30 10:23 |
| sebsebseb | those explained the secure boot stuff | Oct 30 10:23 |
| sebsebseb | anyway it's up to the OEM's what they do when it comes to this really, I am not that worried | Oct 30 10:23 |
| iophk | The OEMs still obey Microsoft. | Oct 30 10:24 |
| schestowitz | http://joindiaspora.com/posts/698643 | Oct 30 10:24 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yep my little brother will probably have his first lap top next year, and with Windows 8 pre installed, and he wants a Linux distro on it as well, which will be Mageia probably :) | Oct 30 10:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Oct 30 10:24 |
| iophk | Neither Red Hat nor Canonical has broken the monopoly yet. | Oct 30 10:24 |
| schestowitz | No not only about the microsoft deal. There are other reasens too. | Oct 30 10:24 |
| schestowitz | Mean Maemo/Meego, QT and the company politic here in germany | Oct 30 10:24 |
| sebsebseb | or maybe should just buy him a Mac heh heh | Oct 30 10:24 |
| schestowitz | "Well, #nokia hasn't lost me yet. I love their phones and I actually like the look of the #WindowsPhone UI. As soon as they come up with a worthy successor of the #N8 (fantastic camera, usb-on-the-go, expandable memory that is not incorporated into the phone memory, hdmi-out) with NFC and clear black display, I will definitely buy it." | Oct 30 10:24 |
| iophk | See if your little brother can buy a machine without Window first. | Oct 30 10:24 |
| sebsebseb | yeah maybe should arrange things with the parants, so he can have a Mac heh heh | Oct 30 10:24 |
| sebsebseb | thing is more seriously those are much more expensive | Oct 30 10:24 |
| sebsebseb | ,but on a Mac can dual boot with Linux and Windows :D | Oct 30 10:24 |
| sebsebseb | well that would be a triple boot if those on as well both of them, but you get what I mean | Oct 30 10:25 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yep probably can, but, he may want something that needs Windows like a game | Oct 30 10:25 |
| sebsebseb | altough he's mainly playing games on consoles anyway | Oct 30 10:25 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: no rush for him to have his own lap top though, plus he doesn't use computers that much anyway at the moment | Oct 30 10:26 |
| sebsebseb | so it's like Janurary 2013 when would probably seriously start looking for a lap top for him | Oct 30 10:26 |
| iophk | Not much — aside from consoles. ;) | Oct 30 10:27 |
| sebsebseb | and he doesn't really need Micrsooft Office I expect, even if the school is using that, plus there will be another computer with Windows on anyway and such | Oct 30 10:27 |
| sebsebseb | so yeah maybe, Linux only | Oct 30 10:28 |
| sebsebseb | don't know yet | Oct 30 10:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but it can be useful to have Windows on dual boot at times | Oct 30 10:28 |
| sebsebseb | ,but can also buy pre installed Linux compatible hardware :D | Oct 30 10:28 |
| iophk | Where? | Oct 30 10:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: not sure about UK | Oct 30 10:28 |
| iophk | I know of only Lemote and System76 | Oct 30 10:28 |
| sebsebseb | ,but there's zareaon | Oct 30 10:28 |
| sebsebseb | and USA and Canada only System76 yeah | Oct 30 10:29 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: time's change though | Oct 30 10:29 |
| sebsebseb | talking about over a year before he might have his own computer for the first time :D | Oct 30 10:29 |
| sebsebseb | plus by then the secure boot and Windows 8 issues will proably be pretty much sorted out | Oct 30 10:29 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: can put XP in a virtual machine for example :D | Oct 30 10:30 |
| sebsebseb | not for 3D gaming though, but like I say, he would be playing games mainly on consoles anyway | Oct 30 10:30 |
| iophk | Consoles give a better gaming experience. | Oct 30 10:30 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah so quite a lot of people say | Oct 30 10:30 |
| sebsebseb | true he probably doesn't really need Windows at all really :D | Oct 30 10:31 |
| iophk | It also means you don't need as high end graphics and CPU on the desktop machine. | Oct 30 10:31 |
| sebsebseb | XP will still be good even when it's no longer supported | Oct 30 10:31 |
| sebsebseb | for loads of stuff | Oct 30 10:31 |
| sebsebseb | and can yeah use it in a virtual machine for that stuff most of it, if really want to use it still | Oct 30 10:32 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: that's the beautey of computers as well really, can use loads of old software if choose to :D | Oct 30 10:32 |
| sebsebseb | don't have to use the latest this and that :D | Oct 30 10:32 |
| sebsebseb | and cubefc1 cubezzz likes doing that, running older stuff | Oct 30 10:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and I am doing it myself right now | Oct 30 10:33 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva 2010.2 with this really old Gnome SHell preview I really like from last year :) that goes on top of Gnome 2 :D | Oct 30 10:33 |
| sebsebseb | and Firefox 3.6 for now as well since that's what's in this distro | Oct 30 10:33 |
| sebsebseb | yeah using my favourite distro from last year again for now :D | Oct 30 10:34 |
| sebsebseb | version | Oct 30 10:34 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: So I read you won't use Firefox now, since Firefox for Bing? that's a bit of a Microsoft hater reason to dump FIrefox though isn't it? | Oct 30 10:34 |
| iophk | Nah. It's just a foolish move by Firefox. It's more like cutting off the nose to spite the face and is not a credible bluff. Going through with the bluff would cause irreparable damage to Mozilla, not just to its reputation. | Oct 30 10:35 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: seems a bit silly yeah | Oct 30 10:36 |
| sebsebseb | plus it's Windows only | Oct 30 10:36 |
| sebsebseb | however on the other hand it isn't that silly, it kind of makes sense | Oct 30 10:36 |
| sebsebseb | plus this gets Microsoft off their back a bit | Oct 30 10:36 |
| sebsebseb | altough when I went to the bing site, I didn't see a link for this | Oct 30 10:36 |
| iophk | I don't know about getting them off their back, it seems more like putting a monkey on their back, potentially | Oct 30 10:37 |
| sebsebseb | that's what Microsoft should be doing now really, link to this from the Bing site, and yes that competes against IE as well realy, but | Oct 30 10:37 |
| sebsebseb | it's not like they make money from IE anyway? | Oct 30 10:37 |
| schestowitz | They do | Oct 30 10:37 |
| schestowitz | indirectly | Oct 30 10:37 |
| sebsebseb | oh or maybe it does show on teh Bing site, but not for Linux users? | Oct 30 10:37 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well some people might have WIndows for IE yeah, website developers | Oct 30 10:38 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Canonical-Sells-Ubuntu-Dells-in-China-230747.shtml | Oct 30 10:38 |
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| schestowitz | !google dell linux china register killed | Oct 30 10:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - History of Dell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Dell | Oct 30 10:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Dell's secret Linux fling • The Register | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/09/dell_linux_china/ | Oct 30 10:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - China Bans Time-Travel - Rage3D Discussion Area | http://www.rage3d.com/Board/showthread.php%3Ft%3D33976354 | Oct 30 10:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - TechNN™: Your #1 Source for Technology News | http://www.technn.com/ | Oct 30 10:38 |
| iophk | Yes, but when do they start selling in the US and Europe? | Oct 30 10:38 |
| schestowitz | See [2] | Oct 30 10:38 |
| iophk | The big sales season is coming up next month already. | Oct 30 10:39 |
| schestowitz | Dell sold Linux in China before | Oct 30 10:39 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft killed it | Oct 30 10:39 |
| schestowitz | nothing that a bribe... sorry, kickbacks.. won't fix | Oct 30 10:39 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: iophk Ubuntu this that and the other, can get quite annoying these days I find, but well ok Dell Ubuntu China | Oct 30 10:40 |
| sebsebseb | sounds good | Oct 30 10:40 |
| schestowitz | And then regulators will pretend it's not a problem | Oct 30 10:40 |
| sebsebseb | also China has loads of piracy for Windows anyway I think | Oct 30 10:40 |
| schestowitz | People celebrate #Ubuntu in #Dell China, but history shows bribes http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/09/dell_linux_china/ | Oct 30 10:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Dell's secret Linux fling • The Register .::. Size~: 26.36 KB | Oct 30 10:40 |
| iophk | Red Hat would be just as good, the main item is to break the OEM monopoly | Oct 30 10:40 |
| sebsebseb | true anything would be just as good really, the main thing is to break the OEM monpoly as you say | Oct 30 10:41 |
| sebsebseb | also people after a Linux compatible computer, could buy a Ubuntu Dell, and then put their choosen distro on anyway, like loads of people did with the EEEPC's apparnatly, bye bye Xandros, Hello choosen distor | Oct 30 10:41 |
| sebsebseb | plus can dual boot or whatever :D | Oct 30 10:41 |
| sebsebseb | oh, but buying pre installed Ubuntu Dell, would mean Canonical getting money as well, so a company in that case that isn't that liked by whoever put the other distro on, but sure better than giving that money to Microsoft or Apple really :D | Oct 30 10:42 |
| iophk | Dual boot until the Vista8 UEFI | Oct 30 10:42 |
| sebsebseb | maybe some computers | Oct 30 10:43 |
| sebsebseb | will still come with normal bios's instead | Oct 30 10:43 |
| sebsebseb | even then | Oct 30 10:43 |
| sebsebseb | new computers | Oct 30 10:43 |
| sebsebseb | however this secure boot thing, if implemened right, can give Linux distros and so on advantages as well | Oct 30 10:43 |
| schestowitz | The important field http://xkcd.com/970/ #xkcd | Oct 30 10:44 |
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| iophk | http://www.tgdaily.com/security-features/58927-virus-infects-us-military-drones | Oct 30 10:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Virus infects U.S. military drones | TG Daily .::. Size~: 50.01 KB | Oct 30 10:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: oh | Oct 30 10:47 |
| sebsebseb | to that link | Oct 30 10:47 |
| sebsebseb | oh and maye they run WIndows heh heh :D | Oct 30 10:47 |
| iophk | Yes, apropos the xkcd link. | Oct 30 10:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: schestowitz What's also annoying really I think now about Ubuntu people, it's very much so about them, and only them, most of the time, Ubuntu, Ubuntu, Ubuntu Ubuntu, Ubuntu, even when talking about something that's general loads of distros | Oct 30 10:48 |
| iophk | They did a better job of marketing than the other distros. The years of free CDs helped a lot with that. | Oct 30 10:49 |
| sebsebseb | uhmm | Oct 30 10:49 |
| sebsebseb | well that was Mark's money | Oct 30 10:49 |
| iophk | It sure got the word out. | Oct 30 10:50 |
| sebsebseb | and Ubuntu started getting popular when distros such as Mandriva were going down hill since being sued over the Mnadrake name and hwat not | Oct 30 10:50 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: schestowitz and me talk about that in Techbytes Episode 61 as well | Oct 30 10:50 |
| sebsebseb | 1. Based on Debian a distro that was already known to be good, and been around a long time | Oct 30 10:51 |
| sebsebseb | 2. Mark's money and so the Free CD's | Oct 30 10:51 |
| sebsebseb | 3. Money money money yep money behind it and a company, so seen as being good by loads of people | Oct 30 10:51 |
| sebsebseb | in fact I have come across people on IRC before who said they were from India before, and when I asked them why they were using Ubuntu, they said it was since it has money behind it | Oct 30 10:52 |
| sebsebseb | and as for the company thing in general people trust companies, think companies are good | Oct 30 10:52 |
| sebsebseb | 4. It provided a good Gnome 2 expereince, hence also why it got so popular, and hence why now quite a lot of people the more expereinced are leaving Ubuntu or have gone back to older versions for now, since yep no Gnome 2 at all in Ubuntu 11.10, and this Unity thing instead on top of Gnome 3 | Oct 30 10:53 |
| sebsebseb | 5. All the hype, and all those old articles, Mark Shuttleworth the first South African in space, and al that, yep the hype | Oct 30 10:53 |
| sebsebseb | 6. the massive community it has, and so people think, oh well it's got such a big community, it must be good then | Oct 30 10:54 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I may have missed something, but those are the reasons it got so popular and stayed so popular | Oct 30 10:54 |
| sebsebseb | basicaley | Oct 30 10:54 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I used to be all sucked into the Ubuntu hype and al that myself, for years | Oct 30 10:55 |
| sebsebseb | it was my distribution for years | Oct 30 10:55 |
| iophk | #1 - debian is a solid base | Oct 30 10:56 |
| sebsebseb | and then I started wanting to get away from it when 9.04 was in development | Oct 30 10:56 |
| iophk | Why? | Oct 30 10:56 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: the Gnome 2 patching | Oct 30 10:56 |
| sebsebseb | shut down on the top right, instead of the system menu, which also meant no automatic shut down feature after a minute, unless on top right is removed, which really got at me | Oct 30 10:57 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah just litlte stuff for 9.04 and 9.10 | Oct 30 10:57 |
| iophk | Have you tried Fedora? | Oct 30 10:57 |
| sebsebseb | the big ah for 10.04, yeah nore Gnome 2 patching of course, horrible new branding, and stuff I didn't want, such as Ubuntu One, and the music store, and software centre offering propritary software and uh | Oct 30 10:57 |
| sebsebseb | and so on from there | Oct 30 10:57 |
| sebsebseb | Unity is kind of interesting though, as ap roject, how it's made and such | Oct 30 10:58 |
| sebsebseb | and yep of cousre I haveu sed Fedora, that was also my first distro, but coudn't use online at the time, since wierless device I had and uh. talk loads about this kind of stuff in that audiocast episode by the way :) | Oct 30 10:58 |
| iophk | I had trouble getting Fedora to dual boot | Oct 30 10:59 |
| iophk | so I went back to Ubuntu | Oct 30 10:59 |
| sebsebseb | Fedora 11 it refused to install | Oct 30 10:59 |
| sebsebseb | some issue with the isntaller and my partitoning apparnatly, but they were pretty standard | Oct 30 10:59 |
| sebsebseb | so ended up with Ubuntu a bit longer, trying out distors in virtual machine, untill I finally get a developmetn version of what would become Mandriva 2010.0 working in a vm | Oct 30 11:00 |
| sebsebseb | and then I put it on for real and so on from there :) | Oct 30 11:00 |
| sebsebseb | tried out PC Linux OS for five months as well last year, and then early this one | Oct 30 11:00 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Mageia is what I am all interseted in now though :) | Oct 30 11:00 |
| sebsebseb | mainly interested in Mageia now, and still Ubuntu to an extent of course, since I used it for years, and interested in Mint as well | Oct 30 11:00 |
| iophk | Is it still based on Red Hat? | Oct 30 11:01 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia is a fork of Mandriva | Oct 30 11:01 |
| sebsebseb | started by quite a few ex developers, last year, but no first verison untill June 1st | Oct 30 11:01 |
| sebsebseb | 2011 | Oct 30 11:01 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia is like the old Mandriva, but done right, as a 100% community distro, with non profit organsaiton behind it, and everyone a volunter :) | Oct 30 11:02 |
| sebsebseb | and Mandriva is differnet now, since the new Russian investors | Oct 30 11:02 |
| sebsebseb | also Mandriva only supoprt KDE offically now, anything else is from the community | Oct 30 11:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: for now I am livingv in the past again on Mandriva 2010.2 since that old Gnome Shell preview that goes on top of Gnome 2 that I really like, as I said earlier, but I am waiting for November 16th :D | Oct 30 11:03 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia 2 alpha 1 | Oct 30 11:03 |
| iophk | Have you tried HaikuOS? | Oct 30 11:03 |
| sebsebseb | also the branding another reason I am on this old version of Mandriva | Oct 30 11:03 |
| sebsebseb | haikuos I know about it, and chat to smoeone on IRC someitmes who is really into it | Oct 30 11:03 |
| sebsebseb | and so I know that even the alpha's are meant to be pretty stable and useable and such | Oct 30 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | ,but nope not virtual machine treid it yet | Oct 30 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: oh regarding the shut down feature, I wanted both really, shut down in system menu, but also on top right, also for 8.10 there was an update that came that would provide both I think, if I remember correclty which I think I am | Oct 30 11:07 |
| sebsebseb | was just reading what I put above some of it | Oct 30 11:07 |
| sebsebseb | also waht's interesting is that in the Ubuntu 11.04 Classic Desktop t hey sort this out, and yep it's like that, both :D | Oct 30 11:07 |
| sebsebseb | one reason I stayed on Ubuntu 11.04 on this computer when trying it out, for Unity and the GNome SHell ppa again another try with the final, had tried with Beta 2, but issue how I tried to install. anyway one reason I stayed on Ubuntu 11.04 for longer than intended earlier this year, plus wanted to just mainly use a computer at the time :D | Oct 30 11:08 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: http://status.net/2011/10/30/scheduled-downtime-30-oct-2011-2200-edt | Oct 30 11:19 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: To get the lost dents back it seems :). | Oct 30 11:19 |
| sebsebseb | http://status.net/2011/10/30/scheduled-downtime-30-oct-2011-2200-edt | Oct 30 11:20 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/129273264848633857 | Oct 30 11:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @FOSSpatents: What's the best Twitter client for Windows? Tweetdeck for Chrome is a disaster. It crashes all the time and exhausts the resources of my PC. | Oct 30 11:33 |
| schestowitz | MS Florian still uses Windows | Oct 30 11:33 |
| iophk | Of course. | Oct 30 11:34 |
| schestowitz | No ruspirse, just poimt that out | Oct 30 11:34 |
| schestowitz | He uses Vista 7 | Oct 30 11:34 |
| schestowitz | He only pretended to use Linux | Oct 30 11:34 |
| schestowitz | because some company he worked for IIRC had it on servers | Oct 30 11:35 |
| schestowitz | His Twiter feed is a 24/7 stream os BS | Oct 30 11:35 |
| schestowitz | *of | Oct 30 11:35 |
| schestowitz | All the pro-MS spin | Oct 30 11:35 |
| schestowitz | iophk: http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/79056 | Oct 30 11:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Source Seeker: Two weeks with Ubuntu instead of Windows 7: Linux is great, Unity needs work .::. Size~: 87.28 KB | Oct 30 11:38 |
| schestowitz | FUDster Julie | Oct 30 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Calls it great after cursing it for a week | Oct 30 11:38 |
| schestowitz | I like Linux, but.." | Oct 30 11:38 |
| schestowitz | She's their MS blog editor | Oct 30 11:38 |
| schestowitz | And now she posts in their "open source" module | Oct 30 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Pretending to be the oppsoition | Oct 30 11:38 |
| schestowitz | I find that amusing what utter BS IDG can be | Oct 30 11:39 |
| iophk | Sockpuppeting? | Oct 30 11:39 |
| schestowitz | The headline ia also deciving | Oct 30 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Trying to draw in readers | Oct 30 11:39 |
| schestowitz | And then trashign Ubuntu | Oct 30 11:39 |
| schestowitz | As one would expect | Oct 30 11:39 |
| schestowitz | She also triolls the Linux Foundation | Oct 30 11:39 |
| schestowitz | I don't mention her name much | Oct 30 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Or link to it | Oct 30 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Not in techrights anyway | Oct 30 11:39 |
| iophk | Typical: Positive headline over a slam , or a slam over a positive article | Oct 30 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Just explainig what goes on there | Oct 30 11:40 |
| schestowitz | It was tony with his "30 days with Ubuntu" some months ago | Oct 30 11:40 |
| schestowitz | I never linked to it | Oct 30 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Just remarked on what he was doing | Oct 30 11:40 |
| iophk | Good. Don't feed the links | Oct 30 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Tony was Linux-hostile _for years_ | Oct 30 11:40 |
| schestowitz | That's like me going to Forbes to write 30 posts about 30 days with Vista 7 | Oct 30 11:40 |
| schestowitz | And then saying, "yes, sure..." | Oct 30 11:40 |
| schestowitz | All the Ubuntu fans get sucked in | Oct 30 11:41 |
| schestowitz | QAnd then beg the trolls to like it | Oct 30 11:41 |
| schestowitz | so then they change the headline | Oct 30 11:41 |
| schestowitz | And pull the fans on the leash | Oct 30 11:41 |
| schestowitz | They must find that amusing, and IDG supports this kind of trash tabloid behaviour | Oct 30 11:41 |
| schestowitz | Jon Brodkin | Oct 30 11:42 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/10/microsoft-collects-license-fees-on-50-of-android-devices-tells-google-to-wake-up.ars | Oct 30 11:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft collects license fees on 50% of Android devices, tells Google to "wake up" .::. Size~: 35.75 KB | Oct 30 11:42 |
| schestowitz | he's julies colleague | Oct 30 11:42 |
| schestowitz | One of the NetworkWorld editor | Oct 30 11:42 |
| schestowitz | Now he dpreads FUD in Arse echnicaca | Oct 30 11:42 |
| schestowitz | With people like Emil ajnd DrPizza | Oct 30 11:42 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/10/week-on-the-web-ocelots-android-license-fees-and-more.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss | Oct 30 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Week on the Web: ocelots, Android license fees, and more .::. Size~: 33.85 KB | Oct 30 11:43 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes they pretend to be FoSS or Google writers | Oct 30 11:43 |
| schestowitz | But their origin is know | Oct 30 11:43 |
| schestowitz | Like Julie's | Oct 30 11:43 |
| schestowitz | She covered MS for years | Oct 30 11:43 |
| schestowitz | And then dabbled in bringing that bias to the opposing side | Oct 30 11:44 |
| schestowitz | Like techflash with Apple | Oct 30 11:44 |
| schestowitz | "You want to infiltrate those. Again, there’s two categories. There’s those that are controlled by vendors; like MSJ; we control that. And there’s those that are independent." | Oct 30 11:44 |
| schestowitz | -MSFT http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdf | Oct 30 11:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type | Oct 30 11:45 |
| schestowitz | "Thanks for sharing! Very interesting reading. " | Oct 30 11:45 |
| schestowitz | http://joindiaspora.com/posts/698469 | Oct 30 11:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Oct 30 11:45 |
| schestowitz | G+ and diaspora will make identica obsolete soon | Oct 30 11:46 |
| schestowitz | "It's all right here as well. " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/698374 | Oct 30 11:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Oct 30 11:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2120655/dell-offers-machines-ubuntu-linux-220-chinese-stores | Oct 30 11:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Dell offers machines with ubuntu linux in 220 chinese stores- The Inquirer .::. Size~: 69.42 KB | Oct 30 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Canonical oughtn't take this for grajntd | Oct 30 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will fight back | Oct 30 11:50 |
| iophk | I hope they are still not so naive about that. | Oct 30 11:50 |
| schestowitz | or gagged | Oct 30 11:51 |
| schestowitz | Playing politics | Oct 30 11:51 |
| schestowitz | http://liliputing.com/2011/10/jolicloud-personal-cloud-for-pc-ios-android-coming-soon.html | Oct 30 11:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jolicloud “personal cloud” for PC, iOS, Android coming soon - Liliputing .::. Size~: 31.28 KB | Oct 30 11:51 |
| schestowitz | Will Rise Of Cloud Computing Push Red Hat Higher? http://is.gd/CSDMtM | Oct 30 11:52 |
| schestowitz | #redhat | Oct 30 11:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Stock Analysis - How to Invest - Stock Tips - IBD University - IBD - Investors.com .::. Size~: 169.44 KB | Oct 30 11:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20111028PD207.html | Oct 30 11:54 |
| schestowitz | cited a lot now | Oct 30 11:54 |
| schestowitz | good | Oct 30 11:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Nokia developing new Linux-based entry-level smartphones, say sources .::. Size~: 74.84 KB | Oct 30 11:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/79050 | Oct 30 11:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Microsoft Update: Linux Foundation wades into Windows 8 secure boot controversy .::. Size~: 98.56 KB | Oct 30 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Julie | Oct 30 11:55 |
| schestowitz | anti-secure-boot petition" | Oct 30 11:56 |
| schestowitz | LOL!! | Oct 30 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Linux Foundation | Oct 30 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Those antis!! | Oct 30 11:56 |
| schestowitz | How fdare they... | Oct 30 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Be against security! | Oct 30 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Julie, go backto your cave | Oct 30 11:56 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft has already publicly denied this -- which I'll get to in a minute -- and the Linux Foundation is trying to stem the tide of anger... | Oct 30 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Limnu xFOUNDATOB!! | Oct 30 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Those zealots!! | Oct 30 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Inciting against poor Microsoft | Oct 30 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Which only ever tried to lock Linux out | Oct 30 11:57 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Oct 30 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Then shw quotes Steven Sinofsky | Oct 30 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Puts in some MS diagrams | Oct 30 11:58 |
| schestowitz | "Still, how much burden will the average Windows 8 consumer want to take on to manage secure UEFI? How much will the typical enterprise want to do? Can PC makers find a balance?" | Oct 30 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Oh noes | Oct 30 11:58 |
| schestowitz | LINXU FOUNDAMENTALISTS are ATTACKING the users :-) | Oct 30 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Not Microsoft | Oct 30 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Just 'those zealots' | Oct 30 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Well done, Julie | Oct 30 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is proud | Oct 30 11:58 |
| schestowitz | You open source blogger :-) :-) | Oct 30 11:59 |
| schestowitz | IDG is spreading a whole load of nonsense about "secure boot", inciting readers against the Linux Foundation for addressing antitrust abuse. | Oct 30 11:59 |
| schestowitz | IDG is worse than useless. It not only spreads a whole load of nonsense for advertisers/IDC clients. It pretends to speak for their opposition. | Oct 30 12:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itworld.com/it-managementstrategy/216863/fsf-ac-cent-tchu-ate-positive | Oct 30 12:08 |
| schestowitz | FSF hostility | Oct 30 12:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: FSF: Ac-Cent-Tchu-Ate the Positive | ITworld .::. Size~: 121.52 KB | Oct 30 12:08 |
| iophk | The spin is predictable. | Oct 30 12:09 |
| cubezzz | the coreboot folks have been complaining about intel recently | Oct 30 12:10 |
| iophk | The GPL is anything but complex or untested | Oct 30 12:11 |
| schestowitz | That’s just wrong: Mozilla releases Firefox with Bing http://is.gd/joy0ED "if you’d like to try your best to destroy the Internet" | Oct 30 12:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: That’s just wrong: Mozilla releases Firefox with Bing - SlashGear .::. Size~: 46.97 KB | Oct 30 12:11 |
| schestowitz | I would like to see IDG giving a column to a FSF employee | Oct 30 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Let's see them dare.. | Oct 30 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Another MS proxy: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/242671/openlogics_paas_to_support_many_languages.html | Oct 30 12:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: OpenLogic's PaaS to Support Many Languages | PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 75.9 KB | Oct 30 12:12 |
| schestowitz | Run by Stephen Grandchamp, Microsoft | Oct 30 12:12 |
| schestowitz | The go-to guy on FOSS and programming :-) | Oct 30 12:12 |
| schestowitz | also IDG | Oct 30 12:12 |
| schestowitz | They're grooming the wrong companies | Oct 30 12:13 |
| cubezzz | something about "ME unlocking" | Oct 30 12:13 |
| schestowitz | And normalise thw rogn voices | Oct 30 12:13 |
| schestowitz | Like pro-Democrats sites that deny readers access to Republican ideas | Oct 30 12:13 |
| cubezzz | on the plus side, coreboot is starting to get some interest from OEMs | Oct 30 12:15 |
| iophk | coreboot is an old idea who's time may have finally come | Oct 30 12:15 |
| cubezzz | you'll learn a lot about your motherboard if you use it, that's for certain | Oct 30 12:15 |
| cubezzz | Gigabyte seems somewhat coreboot friendly | Oct 30 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla's Brendan Eich on JavaScript - and Microsoft Buying Netscape http://is.gd/C27wny | Oct 30 12:17 |
| schestowitz | #mozilla #firefox | Oct 30 12:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mozilla's Brendan Eich on JavaScript - and Microsoft Buying Netscape - Open Enterprise .::. Size~: 86.49 KB | Oct 30 12:17 |
| schestowitz | http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGbCNYDxRr6a-pfc-4r08436KL9SA&url=http://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/the-wonderful-world-of-scientific-inquiry-open-to-world-as-royal-society-puts-historical-archive-online/story-e6frgcjx-1226178584750 | Oct 30 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Cookies must be enabled | The Australian .::. Size~: 27.68 KB | Oct 30 12:19 |
| schestowitz | fail | Oct 30 12:19 |
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| cubezzz | well a tip, watch out for bios chips soldered onto the motherboard | Oct 30 12:27 |
| cubezzz | this appears to be becoming more and more common | Oct 30 12:28 |
| cubezzz | e.g. Gigabyte GA-M57SLI-S4, which FSF uses | Oct 30 12:30 |
| cubezzz | no one has confirmed purchase of this board with socketed bios | Oct 30 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Meaning [new video] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR9SCDN62sI&feature=digest_mon | Oct 30 12:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Meaning - YouTube .::. Size~: 119.27 KB | Oct 30 12:38 |
| cubezzz | old but still relevant: | Oct 30 12:42 |
| cubezzz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnXU7z2_6Jg | Oct 30 12:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Trusted Computing - YouTube .::. Size~: 89.55 KB | Oct 30 12:42 |
| schestowitz | Links 30/10/2011: GNOME 3.3.1, GNOME User Survey http://techrights.org/2011/10/30/gnome-user-survey/ #techrights | Oct 30 13:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Links 30/10/2011: GNOME 3.3.1, GNOME User Survey | Techrights .::. Size~: 133.82 KB | Oct 30 13:11 |
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| sebsebseb | cubezzz: Interesting video | Oct 30 13:38 |
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| DaemonFC | this is sad | Oct 30 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | Sandy Bridge New Acceleration has some integrated Intel hardware beating low end dedicated Radeons | Oct 30 15:01 |
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| XFaCE | sebsebseb: Every day is a new internet censorship bill! | Oct 30 15:53 |
| XFaCE | msb__: Very depressing... | Oct 30 15:53 |
| msb__ | Hi XFaCE! | Oct 30 15:58 |
| XFaCE | msb__: hello | Oct 30 15:59 |
| XFaCE | how are you? | Oct 30 15:59 |
| msb__ | We can only hope that tech wizards will find a way around these things. | Oct 30 15:59 |
| iophk | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/27/fatal_insulin_pump_attack/ | Oct 30 16:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Insulin pump hack delivers fatal dosage over the air • The Register .::. Size~: 27.6 KB | Oct 30 16:06 |
| iophk | Same weakness in some pacemakers | Oct 30 16:06 |
| iophk | http://opensource.com/life/10/8/how-open-source-community-could-save-your-life | Oct 30 16:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How the open source community could save your life | opensource.com .::. Size~: 52.47 KB | Oct 30 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | the Encourage Americans To Use Foreign DNS and Virtual Private Networks Act Written By Old Media And Old Geezers Who Think The Internet Is A Set Of Tubes Act of 2011 | Oct 30 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Oct 30 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | you know, by the time they finish it | Oct 30 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | Also known as the You Seriously Think The Constitution Is In Effect After The PATRIOT ACT, DHS, TSA, and ICE You Are Retards Act of 2011 | Oct 30 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | Republicans seem to perpetuate the idea that the US constitution was written by Jesus and is more a set of suggestions than the reality that it was written by a group of drunkards and nasty old men like Benjamin Franklin and is meant to be taken seriously | Oct 30 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | But Democrats too sadly | Oct 30 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | There was a time when they represented people who work for a living instead of content farms like the MAFIAA and BSA | Oct 30 16:20 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Hmm, in the 1800s? | Oct 30 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | no, the early to mid 20th century | Oct 30 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | back when people were being literally exploited to death for pennies an hour | Oct 30 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | kind of like China now | Oct 30 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | the Democrats fought for the workers and got them living wages, actual benefits | Oct 30 16:32 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Well don't worry, Canada is on the dumb path too. | Oct 30 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | but the rich "landowners" retaliated over the years with things like free trade agreements | Oct 30 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | which allowed them to seek out cheap exploitable labor elsewhere in countries with no worker protection or environmental protection laws | Oct 30 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | and it in turn broke unions in the US | Oct 30 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | created the massive unemployment we have now | Oct 30 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | and made people so desperate for work they take jobs that aren't even half as good as what were out there 30 years ago | Oct 30 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | in the meantime, the Democrats quit being the party of the working people, and started pandering to minorities and illegal aliens with government handouts and lax immigration laws | Oct 30 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | and at the same time, they started dishing out corporate welfare at nearly the same rate as the Republicans | Oct 30 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | notice I said lax immigration laws, they want them to come here, but they want them to be too afraid of deportation to complain about their working conditions | Oct 30 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | so they come here and as long as they shut up and work for peanuts, the US government doesn't bother deporting them | Oct 30 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | it creates a permanent underclass at home which teams up with cheap foreign outsourced labor to attack the American worker | Oct 30 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | neither the Democrats or the Republicans are good | Oct 30 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | if anything, my view is that the Democrats might be the slightest bit less bad for the average American than the Republicans are | Oct 30 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | they have a few policy differences, but nothing substantial | Oct 30 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | we basically have a one party system that calls itself a two party system | Oct 30 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | Lewis Black summed it up with something to the effect of "The US two party system is like a bowl of shit staring in a mirror back at itself" | Oct 30 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | both parties voted overwhelmingly in favor of all the most damaging legislation of the last 20 years to the American middle class | Oct 30 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | and to the nation as a whole | Oct 30 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | free trade, lax immigration policy, two wars put on the credit card | Oct 30 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | laws that favor old media at the expense of damaging US leadership with new technologies and the internet | Oct 30 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | three strikes laws that cover minor offenses such as petty drug possession | Oct 30 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | and serve only to fill up the prisons | Oct 30 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | I might vote for that Libertarian guy next year for Indiana governor | Oct 30 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know anything about him except that he was on Survivor and has a awesome beard | Oct 30 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | but I already like him more than what we have | Oct 30 16:41 |
| msb__ | <DaemonFC> Also known as the You Seriously Think The Constitution Is In Effect After The PATRIOT ACT, DHS, TSA, and ICE You Are Retards Act of 2011 | Oct 30 16:41 |
| msb__ | This is why the 9/11 research is so important. | Oct 30 16:42 |
| msb__ | 9/11 was the excuse for destroying the Constitution. | Oct 30 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | among other things | Oct 30 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | in the late 90s it was a child porn scare | Oct 30 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | then when the courts struck that bullshit down, they invented terrorism | Oct 30 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | not that I am defending child molesters, I think they should all be shot | Oct 30 16:43 |
| msb__ | "terrorism" is good for a lot more than censoring the Net. | Oct 30 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | but the legislation wasn't really designed to go after them | Oct 30 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | it was an excuse to creep into other things | Oct 30 16:43 |
| msb__ | Including murdering 2,000,000 people. | Oct 30 16:44 |
| XFaCE | ok, lighter topic now. :P | Oct 30 16:44 |
| msb__ | To get their oil, and because Israel wanted it. | Oct 30 16:44 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: http://ivipid.com/ | Oct 30 16:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 500 INTERNAL SERVER ERROR | Oct 30 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | I'm in favor of cutting Israel loose | Oct 30 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | and being totally neutral to whatever becomes of them | Oct 30 16:44 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Even logo replication is "mainstream" and "noob=friendly" | Oct 30 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | neither supporting nor assisting them | Oct 30 16:45 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Prime directive | Oct 30 16:45 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: General order one | Oct 30 16:45 |
| msb__ | And outlawing AIPAC and the trips to Israel taken by almost every US legislator. | Oct 30 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | refusal to intervene, refusal to sell them weapons, repealing the standing policy that a war on Israel will be considered an attack on the US | Oct 30 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | see how long they can last without the US covering their asses | Oct 30 16:46 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Actually, it was a Canadian, Lester Pearson, Prime Minister who came up with the "non-interference" provision in the UN | Oct 30 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | my guess is, not long | Oct 30 16:46 |
| msb__ | They do have 400 nukes. | Oct 30 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | good for them | Oct 30 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | let them nuke the arabs | Oct 30 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | let the arabs nuke them | Oct 30 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | my point is I don't care | Oct 30 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | we shouldn't care | Oct 30 16:46 |
| msb__ | Bad for Europe, which they've said they will nuclear bomb. | Oct 30 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's none of our business | Oct 30 16:46 |
| msb__ | ...if Israel is ever attacked by anyone. | Oct 30 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | without the backing of the US, myh guess is that Israel would implode | Oct 30 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | in a matter of a few years | Oct 30 16:47 |
| msb__ | "The Samson Option" | Oct 30 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s320x320/317445_295158990497176_100000092332804_1274781_1097885107_n.jpg | Oct 30 16:47 |
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| DaemonFC | msb__: It's a bluff | Oct 30 16:48 |
| msb__ | Let's hope. | Oct 30 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | Israel is so small that they couldn't unload their nuclear arsenal without seriously damaging themselves | Oct 30 16:49 |
| msb__ | They are psychopaths -- capable of anything. | Oct 30 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | at least, not against enemies that are so close and surround them | Oct 30 16:49 |
| msb__ | It would be a suicidal move, but the leaders are psychopaths -- not really human. | Oct 30 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | they're not really crazy | Oct 30 16:51 |
| msb__ | No more conscience or empathy than a shark has. | Oct 30 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | you remember Mel Gibson's character in Lethal Weapon | Oct 30 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | acted like he was crazy just to confuse people | Oct 30 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | (while Mel Gibson actually is crazy, his character wasn't really) | Oct 30 16:51 |
| msb__ | That doesn't mean that the zionists aren't crazy. logical fallacy | Oct 30 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | the Muslims are too | Oct 30 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | they just have a different psychopathic delusion | Oct 30 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | my point is their leaders probably aren't | Oct 30 16:53 |
| msb__ | Their leaders are (the fundamentalists). | Oct 30 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | it's like US politics where they have to pretend to be religious fanatics to get into office | Oct 30 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | then it turns out they're fucking underage boys | Oct 30 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | or something | Oct 30 16:53 |
| msb__ | The US leaders are psychopaths. They murdered 2,000,000 people in the last 10 years. | Oct 30 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | no, that would be sociopathic behavior | Oct 30 16:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | although msb is trolling | Oct 30 16:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | I agree | Oct 30 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | psychopaths will kill people jsut because it's fun with no real benefit in doing so | Oct 30 16:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | who needs bin laden when you have bush the second | Oct 30 16:54 |
| msb__ | The zionists have kidnapped some 100,000 boys and young men and tortured them so badly that they can never walk again. | Oct 30 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | a sociopath has goals and doesn't care if he has to murder people to achieve them | Oct 30 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | they're both similar in the sense that neither has a conscience | Oct 30 16:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | msb__: no shit, and they cut off their foreskin too | Oct 30 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | not that the goals of a sociopath have to make sense to anyone other than themselves | Oct 30 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 16:55 |
| msb__ | Diablo-D3: What do you mean I'm trolling? I'm telling the truth here. | Oct 30 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | but they do have a goal to be achieved and they don't care how they have to do it | Oct 30 16:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | you're in #techrights | Oct 30 16:56 |
| msb__ | So are all of you. | Oct 30 16:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | we might as well call it #trollrights | Oct 30 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | Steve Ballmer is a sociopath | Oct 30 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | his goal is obviously to make money no matter who he hurts | Oct 30 16:56 |
| msb__ | yes. | Oct 30 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | he might stay within the law to avoid getting in trouble | Oct 30 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | or if the benefits of breaking the law outweigh the penalty, he will break the law | Oct 30 16:57 |
| msb__ | "Snit" is also. | Oct 30 16:57 |
| msb__ | And most of the MS propaganda posters in COLA. | Oct 30 16:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah I was about to make a cola remark | Oct 30 16:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | lol | Oct 30 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | he only cares about the law in the sense that he might get in trouble, and even then it's only a weighted factor in his decision making | Oct 30 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | he's a textbook sociopath, he just doesn't murder people to get what he wants | Oct 30 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | most sociopaths don't actually murder people | Oct 30 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 16:58 |
| msb__ | What limits our thinking, and maybe our actions, is our inability to realize how evil these people are. | Oct 30 16:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | woah woah woah | Oct 30 16:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | lets rewind here | Oct 30 16:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im possibly the most evil person you'll ever meet | Oct 30 16:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | and even I wont hang with those guys | Oct 30 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | a psychopath is Norman Bates | Oct 30 17:00 |
| msb__ | We think intellectually about them being evil, but we don't realize it intuitively. That's why a lot of people can't access the 9/11 research. | Oct 30 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | a sociopath is Steve Ballmer | Oct 30 17:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude, congress voted to basically ban abortions for those who need access to it the most | Oct 30 17:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | they _hate_ women | Oct 30 17:01 |
| msb__ | Yes. | Oct 30 17:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | how can you hate anything with boobs, its inhuman | Oct 30 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | there's hardly any federal abortion ban at all | Oct 30 17:01 |
| msb__ | That comes from the Judeo-"Christian"-Islamic religion. | Oct 30 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | you have to be so far along to give birth to a viable baby for it to be illegal under federal law | Oct 30 17:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude, even Jesus loves boobs | Oct 30 17:02 |
| msb__ | Total male supremacy. | Oct 30 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | and even then, that doesn't count if the doctor claims the mother's life is in danger | Oct 30 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't really need to be | Oct 30 17:02 |
| msb__ | I put "Christian" in quotes. | Oct 30 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | they use it to get around the law | Oct 30 17:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | see, I dont have to compensate for anything | Oct 30 17:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont feel the need to dominate women | Oct 30 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | psychopaths murder babies | Oct 30 17:02 |
| msb__ | The "Christian" fundamentalism doesn't come from Jesus. | Oct 30 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | at the point where it could live outside the mother, it is a baby, not a fetus | Oct 30 17:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | clearly, my kind shall inherit the Earth. | Oct 30 17:03 |
| msb__ | It's just processed Judaism. | Oct 30 17:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | msb__: yes, thus they are heretics and must be burned. | Oct 30 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | and cutting up a baby and sucking it through a vacuum is one of the most evil things a person can do | Oct 30 17:03 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: If its brain is developed enough to feel pain. | Oct 30 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | there's no difference between an abortion and a mother that leaves her baby in a dumpster | Oct 30 17:04 |
| msb__ | ... or have consciousness | Oct 30 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | both women should be reviled for that | Oct 30 17:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | msb__: the channel has him on ignore for a reason | Oct 30 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | most people have more sympathy for a kitten than that woman has shown for her own child | Oct 30 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | women tend to be more sociopathic than men anyway | Oct 30 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | it's part of their survival instinct | Oct 30 17:05 |
| msb__ | has who on ignore? | Oct 30 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | manipulate, deceive, steal | Oct 30 17:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC | Oct 30 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | most of them see men as something there to be manipulated for their own ends | Oct 30 17:06 |
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| msb__ | Only because most men see women as just something to jam their thing into. | Oct 30 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | not me | Oct 30 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | I don't want anything to do with that | Oct 30 17:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is untrue | Oct 30 17:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | they are ALSO make food. | Oct 30 17:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | msb__: you know, people are retarded? | Oct 30 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | get me a beer woman, and make me another baby on your way back! | Oct 30 17:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | er | Oct 30 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 17:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | s/?// | Oct 30 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | nature, spreading genes | Oct 30 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 30 17:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, ever have sex with a brilliant woman? no? go do it | Oct 30 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | and try not to murder this one! | Oct 30 17:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | you'll never have sex with average women again | Oct 30 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 17:08 |
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| XFaCE_ | I did not quit | Oct 30 17:08 |
| XFaCE_ | oh | Oct 30 17:08 |
| XFaCE_ | right | Oct 30 17:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | you ping timedout. | Oct 30 17:08 |
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| DaemonFC | just because something comes naturally to humans doesn't make it the right thing to do | Oct 30 17:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | but yeah, smart women they just... its just... and... yeah | Oct 30 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | nature tells us we should have kids at 15 and die before 30 | Oct 30 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | if we want to follow nature, let's do that | Oct 30 17:09 |
| XFaCE | This conversation is confusing | Oct 30 17:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | not really. | Oct 30 17:09 |
| msb__ | Sarcasm doesn't work in text chat. | Oct 30 17:09 |
| XFaCE | So DaemonFC can see what Diablo-D3 is saying, but Diablo-D3, you are basically talking to yourself? | Oct 30 17:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: msb__ can see me | Oct 30 17:10 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Because your responses eerily line up with DaemonFC's | Oct 30 17:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | what, seriously? | Oct 30 17:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | someone pastebin this, I wanna see | Oct 30 17:10 |
| XFaCE | "<DaemonFC> not me | Oct 30 17:11 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> I don't want anything to do with that | Oct 30 17:11 |
| XFaCE | <Diablo-D3> which is untrue | Oct 30 17:11 |
| XFaCE | <Diablo-D3> they are ALSO make food. | Oct 30 17:11 |
| XFaCE | <Diablo-D3> msb__: you know, people are retarded? | Oct 30 17:11 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> get me a beer woman, and make me another baby on your way back! | Oct 30 17:11 |
| XFaCE | <Diablo-D3> er | Oct 30 17:11 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> :) | Oct 30 17:11 |
| XFaCE | <Diablo-D3> s/?// | Oct 30 17:11 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> nature, spreading genes | Oct 30 17:11 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> :P | Oct 30 17:11 |
| XFaCE | <Diablo-D3> like, ever have sex with a brilliant woman? no? go do it | Oct 30 17:11 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> and try not to murder this one! | Oct 30 17:11 |
| XFaCE | <Diablo-D3> you'll never have sex with average women again | Oct 30 17:11 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> :)" | Oct 30 17:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: I said pastebin, and no, they dont line up | Oct 30 17:11 |
| XFaCE | "<DaemonFC> psychopaths will kill people jsut because it's fun with no real benefit in doing so | Oct 30 17:11 |
| XFaCE | <Diablo-D3> who needs bin laden when you have bush the second | Oct 30 17:11 |
| XFaCE | " | Oct 30 17:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC is just being an annoying fuck | Oct 30 17:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | although, I'll agree, killing people is fun | Oct 30 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | my opinion of women is only slightly lower than humans as a whole | Oct 30 17:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just disagree on whos an appropriate target | Oct 30 17:12 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: At least he's not like fucking ubuntu | Oct 30 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | what you get with corrupt governments isn't an American thing | Oct 30 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | or an Israeli thing | Oct 30 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | or a Russian thing | Oct 30 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | it's a human thing | Oct 30 17:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, if he is, he should get checked for STDs. | Oct 30 17:13 |
| XFaCE | oooh, nasty | Oct 30 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3 is an STD | Oct 30 17:13 |
| msb__ | All this happens because we have a corrupt, anti-life culture. | Oct 30 17:13 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: *DaemonFC witty response" | Oct 30 17:13 |
| msb__ | That's why people are willing to murder when some "military officer" orders them to. | Oct 30 17:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | msb__: see | Oct 30 17:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is why I should start my own religious | Oct 30 17:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | er | Oct 30 17:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | religion | Oct 30 17:14 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: DaemonFC: What with this pent-up hostility? Can't you two see that you are more alike than different? | Oct 30 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | it makes it OK because they're probably not going to face consequences for it | Oct 30 17:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | see, I'll start with hot women | Oct 30 17:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | and them put them in powered armor | Oct 30 17:15 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: DaemonFC: You're like Penn and Penn | Oct 30 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | you remove consequences, and psychopaths flourish | Oct 30 17:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then give them very large rifles | Oct 30 17:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: yes, and what we really need is a few more Tellers. | Oct 30 17:15 |
| XFaCE | Oct 30 17:15 | |
| XFaCE | Oct 30 17:15 | |
| XFaCE | Oct 30 17:15 | |
| XFaCE | Oct 30 17:15 | |
| XFaCE | There you go | Oct 30 17:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | hurr. | Oct 30 17:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | In other news, Rick Perry is an inbred hick. | Oct 30 17:15 |
| XFaCE | "<DaemonFC> you remove consequences, and psychopaths flourish | Oct 30 17:16 |
| XFaCE | <Diablo-D3> and then give them very large rifles" | Oct 30 17:16 |
| XFaCE | Ok, now that's weird | Oct 30 17:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | to the women in power armor, not the psychopaths | Oct 30 17:16 |
| XFaCE | yeah, but still | Oct 30 17:17 |
| XFaCE | Just fucking go with it and stop being obstinate. :) | Oct 30 17:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, see | Oct 30 17:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | my way | Oct 30 17:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | my church could intervene on the behalf of anyone who truly needs it | Oct 30 17:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | because how can you stop an army of women with fully automatic rifles that fire anti-tank shells. | Oct 30 17:18 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Your church should also teach the superiority of Japanese-made cars | Oct 30 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | do you want them with or without brakes? | Oct 30 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 17:18 |
| XFaCE | "And then Dr. Demming said to the mighty Unites States of America, "Screw you, I'm going to go to Japan and turn them into the next economic superpower!" And so he did." | Oct 30 17:19 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: That's so old man. Besides, it had been shown to be a lot of FUD in retrospect. | Oct 30 17:19 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: (DaemonFC brought up the ""stopping" "issues"" | Oct 30 17:20 |
| XFaCE | ) | Oct 30 17:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: one m | Oct 30 17:20 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: I want two M | Oct 30 17:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | its funny about deming | Oct 30 17:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | he basically brought to the western world typical japanese work ethics | Oct 30 17:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | toyota runs on a very deming-like process, for example | Oct 30 17:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | which means, of course, being the largest _american_ car manufacturer | Oct 30 17:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | toyota makes more cars in the US than any other car manufacturer, including the big three from detroit | Oct 30 17:24 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Any quality problem toyota has had of late I think has to do with the "Americanism" seeping in from the North American operations | Oct 30 17:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | not really | Oct 30 17:26 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: You can see this by comparing American-made Toyotas and Japanese Toyotas. No contest | Oct 30 17:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: yes and no | Oct 30 17:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres a problem with the american workforce in general | Oct 30 17:26 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Absolutely | Oct 30 17:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not congruent with saying that its a toyota problem | Oct 30 17:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | its an EVERYBODY problem | Oct 30 17:26 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Of course. I was refering to some of the more short-sighted decisions | Oct 30 17:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | the first bad quarter in toyota history happened during the economic meltdown | Oct 30 17:26 |
| XFaCE | Toyota as a whole is still awesome | Oct 30 17:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | so that should say something | Oct 30 17:27 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: In Canada, when production was needing to be shut down, rather than lay everybody off temporarily, Toyota is actually providing paid training to its employees | Oct 30 17:27 |
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| Diablo-D3 | teag | Oct 30 17:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | er yeah | Oct 30 17:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | because thats actually superior | Oct 30 17:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | you end up with a better trained workforce to increase quality and output | Oct 30 17:28 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: That sort of thinking would be unthinkable in America. They are financial-based in thinking | Oct 30 17:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | not true | Oct 30 17:28 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Largely | Oct 30 17:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | some companies couldnt think any other way | Oct 30 17:28 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Couldn't think of anything other than the Demming way or the financial way? | Oct 30 17:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | couldnt think any other way then common sense. | Oct 30 17:30 |
| XFaCE | ah | Oct 30 17:30 |
| XFaCE | Microsoft certainly isn't one of those companies | Oct 30 17:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | nope, they arent | Oct 30 17:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know whats funny? | Oct 30 17:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | they could hire me as CEO today | Oct 30 17:31 |
| XFaCE | or me for that matter | Oct 30 17:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | and in 5 years, microsoft would be the most profitable tech company in existence | Oct 30 17:31 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: [citation needed] | Oct 30 17:31 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: What's funny is that the FLOSS model naturally seems to mimic Demming's approach is some ways | Oct 30 17:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft fails a cardinal rule | Oct 30 17:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | dont make customers give you money, but take it when they throw it at you. | Oct 30 17:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | why do you think osx lion is a $30 upgrade? | Oct 30 17:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | because once you write it, thats it, all further expenses are done | Oct 30 17:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | digital distribution costs nothing on the scale of profits. | Oct 30 17:35 |
| iophk | Lion is worse than that, it requires an account at the App Store® to download it. | Oct 30 17:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | iophk: thats an unrelated issue. | Oct 30 17:36 |
| iophk | It's a form of tying. | Oct 30 17:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | not at all. | Oct 30 17:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt require the app store to install it | Oct 30 17:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can also buy it on physical media | Oct 30 17:37 |
| iophk | Now you can. In the beginning the only way to get it was the Apps Store. | Oct 30 17:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | [01:36:25] <Diablo-D3> it doesnt require the app store to install it | Oct 30 17:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is better than, say, Steam | Oct 30 17:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | you need Steam installed and running to install Half Life 2 AND run it. | Oct 30 17:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | yet no one bitches about Steam | Oct 30 17:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I have no worries about the App Store going away | Oct 30 17:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just an extension of the iOS app store which is an extension of the itunes store | Oct 30 17:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | but like I said | Oct 30 17:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | its an unrelated issue | Oct 30 17:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft my way would have an equivilent system | Oct 30 17:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | infact, you'd license windows for x years | Oct 30 17:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | the oem keys on boxes and laptops would be good for 3 years, retail boxes/online new licenses for 5, enterprise on server versions for 10 + additional support options | Oct 30 17:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the hologram stickers would serve as a unique license id | Oct 30 17:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | so none of the existing bullshit when you upgrade hardware | Oct 30 17:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | the key identifies the machine, not the machine | Oct 30 17:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | er, not the machine identifying the machine | Oct 30 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | that's a great idea, because then when the Windows license expires the only operating system that will run is Linux | Oct 30 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | because the new Windows is too slow and huge | Oct 30 17:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | so instead of buying upgrades, you get upgrades automatically | Oct 30 17:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | no more major changes fucking shit | Oct 30 17:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | a smooth constant upgrade system | Oct 30 17:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | no more people bitching about how XP is still half of all windows installs even though its no longer supported | Oct 30 17:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | no more people bitching xp doesnt have >dx9 | Oct 30 17:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | no more people bitching 7 was really just vista sp1 | Oct 30 17:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | no more people bitching older windowses cant get the newest msie | Oct 30 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | Vista has two service packs and a platform update | Oct 30 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | XP is still supported | Oct 30 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | most graphics hardware out there can't use DirectX 11 anyway | Oct 30 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 17:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | no more people bitching 7 needs 8's new process scheduler now | Oct 30 17:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | it'd be all one smooth worthflow | Oct 30 17:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | maybe once a month new pushes | Oct 30 17:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it'd work | Oct 30 17:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | sell those 5 year licenses for like $25 each for what we now call ultimate | Oct 30 17:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh, and no more different versions | Oct 30 17:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | one version fits all | Oct 30 17:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | and no more needing to support legacy systems, because they wont exist anymore | Oct 30 17:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | most of the huge release bullshit would be gone | Oct 30 17:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | internal development speed would vastly increase | Oct 30 17:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | bugs could be easily tracked down and squashed | Oct 30 17:48 |
| schestowitz | "Android is a global google backdoor ... Maemo/Meego is fine... " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/701149 | Oct 30 17:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Oct 30 17:53 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: I assume Tizen will be fine as well | Oct 30 18:03 |
| schestowitz | "You might want to check out the MeeGo-powered N9 " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/698643 | Oct 30 18:03 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: maybe. | Oct 30 18:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Oct 30 18:04 |
| iophk | Is Tizen a Chinese name? If so, what does it mean? | Oct 30 18:04 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Or I could install Debian on a cellphone. :) | Oct 30 18:04 |
| XFaCE | !google tizen | Oct 30 18:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Tizen | An open source, standards-based software platform for ... | https://www.tizen.org/ | Oct 30 18:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - About | Tizen | https://www.tizen.org/about | Oct 30 18:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Tizen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen | Oct 30 18:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Tizen's Channel - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/user/Tizen | Oct 30 18:04 |
| XFaCE | !google tizen definition | Oct 30 18:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Natural Born Conservative: True Definition of Natural Born Citizen | http://larrymwalkerjr.blogspot.com/2009/03/true-definition-of-natural-born-citizen.html | Oct 30 18:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Natural Born Citizen Defined « Nobarack08's Weblog | http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/natural-born-citizen-defined/ | Oct 30 18:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Founder and Historian David Ramsay defines “natural born Citizen ... | http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/04/02/founder-and-historian-david-ramsay-defines-natural-born-citizen-in-1789/ | Oct 30 18:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Citizenship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship | Oct 30 18:05 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Nokia has multiple personalities it seems... | Oct 30 18:06 |
| schestowitz | It\s a big compani | Oct 30 18:07 |
| schestowitz | With lots of politics | Oct 30 18:07 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Is mole on his way out? | Oct 30 18:09 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: I thought you said he was, but I can't recall | Oct 30 18:11 |
| schestowitz | that's wht I heard some months ago | Oct 30 18:11 |
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| schestowitz | I think someone in Nokia might have given this some legitimacy too | Oct 30 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I never knew what SPace Cowboy was derived frm... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBslnEf6EwI&feature=related | Oct 30 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | That would be a goof example for Everything is a Copy | Oct 30 18:14 |
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| Guest94571 | An amazing lie from the world's richest man. "the world at large is less inequitable today than at any time in history." | Oct 30 18:25 |
| Guest94571 | http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/technologybrierdudleysblog/2016626758_bill_gates_on_being_the_top_1.html | Oct 30 18:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Brier Dudley's Blog | Bill Gates on being the top 1 percent, Fox News and taxes | Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 79.2 KB | Oct 30 18:25 |
| Guest94571 | He also blames "education" for a lack of mobility. What a nice guy. | Oct 30 18:26 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Heard of https://www.startpage.com/ before? | Oct 30 18:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Startpage Search Engine .::. Size~: 21.69 KB | Oct 30 18:32 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: yes | Oct 30 18:35 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: How good is it? | Oct 30 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | Education is the key, [the man without a post-high school education] said. | Oct 30 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 18:37 |
| iophk | Guest94571: that's because he's also gunning for the education system. | Oct 30 18:37 |
| Guest94571 | ALARM. HP is already locking out gnu/linux https://plus.google.com/u/0/112648813199640203443/posts/QRRFa9cBQxg | Oct 30 18:37 |
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| schestowitz | Don't leave the children behind | Oct 30 18:38 |
| schestowitz | yada yada | Oct 30 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Brier Dudley' is a tool | Oct 30 18:38 |
| schestowitz | I don't even want to link to him | Oct 30 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Seattle Tims is funded by Gates | Oct 30 18:38 |
| schestowitz | So they worship him for $$ | Oct 30 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Corrupt press | Oct 30 18:38 |
| schestowitz | The French should have given the US a lesson in journalism, not a statuire | Oct 30 18:39 |
| schestowitz | *statue | Oct 30 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | Dropping out of college to focus on cheating people is how Bill Gates got rich | Oct 30 18:39 |
| iophk | Guest94571: do you have real web page with the warning? | Oct 30 18:39 |
| Guest94571 | Apologists still spin folks like Glenn Moody with stuff like this, "Ultimately, there’s no valid reason for Microsoft locking Linux out of the UEFI firmware, and so it won’t. " Which is already a lie. | Oct 30 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Not cheating | Oct 30 18:39 |
| schestowitz | committing crimes | Oct 30 18:39 |
| schestowitz | offenses | Oct 30 18:40 |
| schestowitz | ces | Oct 30 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | then he got a meaningless Harvard advertising (honorary) degree | Oct 30 18:40 |
| schestowitz | he got arrested a few titmes | Oct 30 18:40 |
| schestowitz | now he'll pay to seed google with positive stories, like jobs | Oct 30 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | a pretend degree | Oct 30 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | advertising the university | Oct 30 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | belittling the people who earned one | Oct 30 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | often done as political favors or in exchange for donations | Oct 30 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | Yale gave Bush one, the only legitimate degree he got there was a bachelor's degree in History | Oct 30 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | of course the Supreme Court appointed him president when the only office he got elected to was governor of Texas | Oct 30 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 18:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | uefi secure boot chain is useless anyhow | Oct 30 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | most of what these people get is not earned, it is given to them gift wrapped by their cronies | Oct 30 18:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | if people cant change the firmware for their own keys, enterprise has no use for it | Oct 30 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | hey _Goblin :-) | Oct 30 18:50 |
| schestowitz | got time off today? | Oct 30 18:50 |
| _Goblin | :) | Oct 30 18:52 |
| _Goblin | hi there! | Oct 30 18:52 |
| _Goblin | just popped in to say sorry about the last few days...changes in work had me doing funny hours | Oct 30 18:53 |
| _Goblin | Im sort of about at the moment, but just sorting out chores | Oct 30 18:53 |
| schestowitz | thanks :-) | Oct 30 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: we can hopefully record soon, next week is wide open for me | Oct 30 18:58 |
| schestowitz | I also need that letter sent ;-) since last week | Oct 30 18:59 |
| _Goblin | yep....on that.... | Oct 30 18:59 |
| schestowitz | doesn't need to be very formal, can be short too | Oct 30 19:00 |
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| DaemonFC | jono: What's new in Project Dalek? | Oct 30 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 20:01 |
| iophk | Dalek? | Oct 30 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | Kubuntu's desktop experience project is Project Timelord | Oct 30 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | so I started calling Ayatana Project Dalek | Oct 30 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-d6vWMseVo | Oct 30 20:03 |
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| DaemonFC | Dalek jono obeys | Oct 30 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 20:13 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: _Goblin DaemonFC Interesting stuff and it seems they will have a Ubuntu Developer Summit session about this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-reducing-community-bickering | Oct 30 20:53 |
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| sebsebseb | however what makes it so interesting is the comments here: | Oct 30 20:53 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/24/ubuntu-community-survey-results/ | Oct 30 20:53 |
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| sebsebseb | MinceR: ^ | Oct 30 20:54 |
| schestowitz | hehe | Oct 30 20:58 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: quite interesting isn't it? this? | Oct 30 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Can't talk right now, will do later... | Oct 30 20:59 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh what you up to? | Oct 30 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Rotating cloudpoints | Oct 30 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | Jabba isn't feeling well | Oct 30 21:04 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotation_matrix | Oct 30 21:04 |
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| DaemonFC | he came out of the bathroom, mewed at me, then puked all over the floor | Oct 30 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Who, Dawn? | Oct 30 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Oh, wait.. Jabba. | Oct 30 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Crappy day today | Oct 30 21:06 |
| schestowitz | First the puppetmaster f**s up | Oct 30 21:06 |
| schestowitz | And we spend an hour getting the cluster back to scratch.. | Oct 30 21:06 |
| schestowitz | And then some server flapping randomly | Oct 30 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://lame.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/lame/lame/doc/html/history.html | Oct 30 21:14 |
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| DaemonFC | LAME 3.99 is out | Oct 30 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | "My sister just ordered the #N9. Cannot wait to hold it in my hands." http://joindiaspora.com/posts/698643 | Oct 30 21:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Oct 30 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | Nokia promoting a Linux based OS for low end phones is an insult | Oct 30 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | it implies Linux is crap and Windows 7 is for the "premium" models | Oct 30 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | *Windows Phone 7 | Oct 30 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | that's probably not a mistake | Oct 30 21:26 |
| schestowitz | hehe | Oct 30 21:26 |
| schestowitz | like MS couldn't give them an OS free of charge... | Oct 30 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | the OS with content farm app store and no free software allowed is "premium" | Oct 30 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | the phones that let the user decide what to use are "toys" | Oct 30 21:27 |
| schestowitz | "for tinkerers" | Oct 30 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | I call Windows Phone a content farm because it is | Oct 30 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | no decent platform is full of apps where the maker of said platform pays by quantity of third party apps produced | Oct 30 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | it's going to end up looking like the Internet Explorer add on site or the Windows Gadget site | Oct 30 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | it will, just watch | Oct 30 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | lots of crap, anything decent costs a fortune and there are very few decent items | Oct 30 21:30 |
| schestowitz | yeah, I think they gave up | Oct 30 21:38 |
| schestowitz | they they just openly admit crap sales | Oct 30 21:39 |
| schestowitz | to the public | Oct 30 21:39 |
| schestowitz | but their latest talking point is profit they claim to make from Android | Oct 30 21:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they have an Android licensing programme :-) | Oct 30 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | well, they did innovate it | Oct 30 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Oct 30 21:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: can I set up a healthcare licensing programme in the US? | Oct 30 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Each patient pays one cent | Oct 30 21:40 |
| schestowitz | to be licensed | Oct 30 21:40 |
| schestowitz | otherwise I send you and buddies eith guns | Oct 30 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | they already have mandatory for-profit health insurance | Oct 30 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | it starts in 2014 | Oct 30 21:40 |
| schestowitz | You help 'protect' our innovation | Oct 30 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | and the IRS is the enforcement arm | Oct 30 21:40 |
| schestowitz | and 'license' treatment | Oct 30 21:40 |
| schestowitz | not need to produce anything | Oct 30 21:40 |
| schestowitz | a bit like the mafia | Oct 30 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | the healthcare industry is shitting themselves because that judge in Florida struck down the mandatory enrollment section of the law | Oct 30 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | but not the price controls and pre-existing condition ban | Oct 30 21:41 |
| schestowitz | national insurance means doctors won't be overpaid | Oct 30 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Ask MinceR about hungary | Oct 30 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | that's why they're rushing to the supreme court trying to get the whole law invalidated | Oct 30 21:41 |
| schestowitz | or young GPs here | Oct 30 21:41 |
| schestowitz | They make a living, not a fortune | Oct 30 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | now that their profits are at risk because the lynchpin of their scheme has been struck down | Oct 30 21:42 |
| schestowitz | It's the way it ought to be | Oct 30 21:42 |
| schestowitz | in the US repae you guys so that they can live in 6-bedroom villas on a hill | Oct 30 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, and so they can charge you $10,000 for every hour you're in the hospital with some doctor that just fell off the banana boat | Oct 30 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | low quality care | Oct 30 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | they have to maximize their profit margin | Oct 30 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | then if you're lucky enough to have insurance, you get to argue with them over every single line on the bill | Oct 30 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | and pay 20% of anything they do cover | Oct 30 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | and if they don't cover it, what are you going to do? sue them? | Oct 30 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | they have lots of lawyers | Oct 30 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | and deep pockets | Oct 30 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | you're sick and broke | Oct 30 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | they can just starve you out in court until you can no longer fight them and (hopefully) die | Oct 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | welcome to the US then | Oct 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | in 2014 you might have some more justice | Oct 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | at least some basic treatments will be covered | Oct 30 21:52 |
| schestowitz | here I just pay for it and never use it | Oct 30 21:52 |
| schestowitz | same for social benefits other take | Oct 30 21:52 |
| schestowitz | I pay away a quarter of my wage or more to cover other people's illnesses and unemployment, but that's fair enough | Oct 30 21:52 |
| schestowitz | In the US, the super-rich hardly pay any tax | Oct 30 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | because it's there if you ever do need it | Oct 30 21:53 |
| schestowitz | to them, paying the same absolute amounts as those below seems to make ense | Oct 30 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | it's easy to not complain when you could end up needing it someday | Oct 30 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Your system is very sick | Oct 30 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | that's what social safety nets are for | Oct 30 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | the rich hate them because they'll never use them | Oct 30 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | the working class gets fucked over and ends up on them | Oct 30 21:53 |
| schestowitz | so they cancel these for the super-rich | Oct 30 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | and the rich don't want to pay for it via taxes | Oct 30 21:53 |
| schestowitz | or simply cap them | Oct 30 21:54 |
| schestowitz | which means that: | Oct 30 21:54 |
| schestowitz | 1) if the middle class vanishes, nobody pays the system | Oct 30 21:54 |
| schestowitz | the poor are too poor | Oct 30 21:54 |
| schestowitz | and the rich are too rich to bother paying | Oct 30 21:54 |
| schestowitz | see what I mean? | Oct 30 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | the middle class in the US basically no longer exists | Oct 30 21:54 |
| schestowitz | So the rich don't pay fopr benefits | Oct 30 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | there will always be some in that category | Oct 30 21:54 |
| schestowitz | While more and more people need those benefits | Oct 30 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | but it's not like it used to be where most people had a living wage | Oct 30 21:54 |
| schestowitz | That nobody but bankers (loan) can back | Oct 30 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [21:54] <DaemonFC> the middle class in the US basically no longer exists | Oct 30 21:55 |
| schestowitz | There are two classes and three groups | Oct 30 21:55 |
| schestowitz | super rich people | Oct 30 21:55 |
| schestowitz | poor people who live within their means | Oct 30 21:55 |
| schestowitz | poor people who pretend to be middle or upper middle class by borrowing carelessly | Oct 30 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Which makes group 1 happy | Oct 30 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | and people like me who throw unpaid bills away and dare creditors to sue them | Oct 30 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | yay! | Oct 30 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Cuase group 1 then sweeps up the foreclsoed houses | Oct 30 21:56 |
| schestowitz | on the cheap | Oct 30 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | only in my case it's medical bills I could never pay back if I tried | Oct 30 21:56 |
| schestowitz | they didn't do much to deserve it | Oct 30 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | It doesn't sound like they even saved your life | Oct 30 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | it's not because I went on a bender with a credit card and bought plasma TVs and playstations | Oct 30 21:56 |
| schestowitz | and they only spent some 'precious'; time on you | Oct 30 21:57 |
| schestowitz | those rich people can let it slide | Oct 30 21:57 |
| schestowitz | They'll find another sucker to loot | Oct 30 21:57 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz about? | Oct 30 23:11 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin about? | Oct 30 23:11 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Oct 30 23:13 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: was just well getting help configuring my headset | Oct 30 23:14 |
| sebsebseb | in Mandriva :) | Oct 30 23:14 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: seem to be ok now :) | Oct 30 23:14 |
| sebsebseb | ,but this was also from that Mageia founder that will come onto Techbytes, but not just yet | Oct 30 23:14 |
| sebsebseb | just mentioned that to him as well | Oct 30 23:14 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: plus he's a upsteram pulseaudio mantainer :D and now my headset is ok | Oct 30 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | well volume a bit low, but I Think I know how to change that | Oct 30 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | anyway he told me to remind him in like two weeks, and I gave him the link to 61, and can get it arranged later on some time, so he comes on :) | Oct 30 23:15 |
| schestowitz | excellent | Oct 30 23:17 |
| schestowitz | tim is looking forward to guests | Oct 30 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I should probably come on that episode as well really, altough it would be mainly him talking I expect and you two | Oct 30 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | also I am thinking well some time after Mageia 2 alpha 1 then, that's 16th November | Oct 30 23:18 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and I am going to put it on this computer quite soon after it's come out, that's the plan :) | Oct 30 23:18 |
| sebsebseb | and by the sounds of it it will probably have the latest Gnome 3 development version :D | Oct 30 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: this headset is more quite in Mandriva | Oct 30 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | than in Windows | Oct 30 23:21 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/pfmayer/statuses/130712538609500160 | Oct 30 23:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @pfmayer: @ANDROIDgenus http://t.co/Ko8tkTd0 interesting read about florian mueller | Oct 30 23:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Oct 30 23:21 |
| schestowitz | And Florian gets angry today | Oct 30 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | altough WIndows isn't quite set up right anyway, since need a driver for the mothervboard or wahtever for the motherboard | Oct 30 23:22 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/130718356088168449 | Oct 30 23:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @FOSSpatents: @pfmayer Serious Android fans like @ANDROIDgenus don't take TechRights too seriously. It's too extreme. I know you cite ZDNet UK, but... | Oct 30 23:22 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/130718490117144576 | Oct 30 23:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @FOSSpatents: @pfmayer cc: @ANDROIDgenus ...there was only one freelance ZDNet UK blogger (not the editorial team as a whole) that endorsed TechRights. | Oct 30 23:22 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Oct 30 23:22 |
| schestowitz | He's miserable | Oct 30 23:22 |
| schestowitz | his lobbying power ism diminished | Oct 30 23:22 |
| schestowitz | so he tries to smear me | Oct 30 23:22 |
| schestowitz | like he also smears gorklaw/pj | Oct 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/arianitd/statuses/130708379009155072 | Oct 30 23:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @arianitd: What was NOKIA thinking to go for Windows Phone OS! Still rolling my eyes http://t.co/mf0hVA52 | Oct 30 23:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Oct 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/yasen/statuses/130699435402465280 | Oct 30 23:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @yasen: I like #RedHat more and more. http://t.co/BiZsH2yw & http://t.co/b4Vsmv2K #linux | Oct 30 23:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Oct 30 23:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Oct 30 23:24 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: What plugins and from where, do you use to 1. record Skype 2. save into OGG? | Oct 30 23:27 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: http://atdot.ch/scr/ | Oct 30 23:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Skype Call Recorder .::. Size~: 6.44 KB | Oct 30 23:31 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: Does that save into OGG as well? | Oct 30 23:31 |
| sebsebseb | I used something differnet on WIndows | Oct 30 23:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but that would also only save into wav and MP3 | Oct 30 23:31 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: any idea why my headset is much well lower here in Linux, than in WIndows? | Oct 30 23:32 |
| sebsebseb | even when I turend the volume stuff up, hmm | Oct 30 23:32 |
| _Goblin | I assume you've tried your master settings? | Oct 30 23:32 |
| sebsebseb | yeah the Gnome ones | Oct 30 23:32 |
| _Goblin | are you using skype? | Oct 30 23:32 |
| sebsebseb | and on the headset itself | Oct 30 23:32 |
| schestowitz | maybe you can calibrate the volume, sebsebseb | Oct 30 23:32 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: nope not got Skype instaleld in here just yet | Oct 30 23:32 |
| _Goblin | oh | Oct 30 23:32 |
| sebsebseb | calibrate what you mean? | Oct 30 23:32 |
| schestowitz | mixer | Oct 30 23:33 |
| schestowitz | up rhe volume for mic | Oct 30 23:33 |
| sebsebseb | that's a command calibrate? | Oct 30 23:33 |
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| schestowitz | no | Oct 30 23:33 |
| sebsebseb | it records fine now, but if I listen to stuff with this headset, it's well not that loud really | Oct 30 23:33 |
| sebsebseb | not as loud as Windows | Oct 30 23:33 |
| sebsebseb | plus it sounds lke most stuff is coming out of the left speaker, but really some is coming out of the right as well | Oct 30 23:34 |
| sebsebseb | headphone I mean above | Oct 30 23:34 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: now some metal came on, that sounds a little louder :D | Oct 30 23:35 |
| schestowitz | swedes loves metal | Oct 30 23:35 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin loves metal | Oct 30 23:35 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I am half Swedish | Oct 30 23:35 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin is swedish | Oct 30 23:35 |
| schestowitz | !google my bum is on the swedish | Oct 30 23:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Tom Green, the Bum Bum song - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D3NjThjinDDQ | Oct 30 23:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - My bum is on the Swedish... the Swedish - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DDLm50kjUUuY | Oct 30 23:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - My Bum Is On The SWEDISH - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dt92DaEpThTc | Oct 30 23:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Lonely Swedish (The Bum Bum Song) - Wikipedia, the free ... | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonely_Swedish_(The_Bum_Bum_Song) | Oct 30 23:35 |
| sebsebseb | oh maybe to do with where headset was this sounds better | Oct 30 23:36 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Roy, did you see the correction I put in the channel yesterday? | Oct 30 23:36 |
| schestowitz | I can't believe it's notable enough for wikipedia | Oct 30 23:36 |
| sebsebseb | ,but still not as loud as WIndows it seems | Oct 30 23:36 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: possibly, can't think which one now | Oct 30 23:36 |
| _Goblin | ah.... | Oct 30 23:37 |
| _Goblin | just to let you know... | Oct 30 23:37 |
| schestowitz | I recall something | Oct 30 23:37 |
| schestowitz | but can't recall what it was.. | Oct 30 23:37 |
| _Goblin | Mr Lozza felt most aggreived that it was said here that he believed in "little green men" aliens....he has clarified now and I think it only fair I post his actual theory here now... | Oct 30 23:37 |
| schestowitz | he has issue | Oct 30 23:38 |
| schestowitz | with sarcasm | Oct 30 23:38 |
| _Goblin | Mr Lozza actually believes in neanderthals with a hive mind computer.....not aliens..... | Oct 30 23:38 |
| schestowitz | he doesn't get it | Oct 30 23:38 |
| schestowitz | he needs to get out more :-\) | Oct 30 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | just got a blister from this keyboard or whatever again just now :( | Oct 30 23:38 |
| schestowitz | he might also not understand the difference between will and would | Oct 30 23:38 |
| _Goblin | so its little hairy men instead of little green ones. | Oct 30 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | hurtd | Oct 30 23:38 |
| schestowitz | "I'm so hungry I would eat a horse" | Oct 30 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | hurts | Oct 30 23:38 |
| schestowitz | [or could] | Oct 30 23:39 |
| _Goblin | maybe some people would | Oct 30 23:39 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: there's some nutter on youtube who saus humans get smaller over time | Oct 30 23:39 |
| schestowitz | and he says there is evidence | Oct 30 23:39 |
| schestowitz | even though all evidence points to the contray | Oct 30 23:40 |
| _Goblin | I'd say thats more plausable than neanderthals with hive mind computers | Oct 30 23:40 |
| schestowitz | like armour of people from hundreds of years ago | Oct 30 23:40 |
| schestowitz | and mummies | Oct 30 23:40 |
| schestowitz | glovs.. | Oct 30 23:40 |
| _Goblin | even if it was true... | Oct 30 23:40 |
| _Goblin | is there a problem with getting smaller? | Oct 30 23:40 |
| schestowitz | some l;oon called "nephilemFree" or something | Oct 30 23:40 |
| schestowitz | also explains that the crates on the moon were cause by water interjected from earth | Oct 30 23:41 |
| _Goblin | of course | Oct 30 23:41 |
| schestowitz | and Noah's flood and the whole deal | Oct 30 23:41 |
| _Goblin | it all makes sense | Oct 30 23:41 |
| schestowitz | I once saw a video from a guy who says some people are aliens | Oct 30 23:41 |
| _Goblin | My personal favorite was a theory about an alien in area 51 claiming to be jesus | Oct 30 23:41 |
| schestowitz | and round things are symbolic of their flyijng saucers | Oct 30 23:41 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: if you go to cola you could well believe in non-human life....in the case of the trolls | Oct 30 23:42 |
| schestowitz | It's scary... scary that people like that are allowed to post videos about crazy loony toon theories they share | Oct 30 23:42 |
| schestowitz | I think some are pretending all this to get attention | Oct 30 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Like that "god gates fags" churuch | Oct 30 23:42 |
| _Goblin | for me, if they can do it without being rude then its ok. | Oct 30 23:42 |
| schestowitz | baptist westborough... whatever | Oct 30 23:43 |
| _Goblin | I think it is attention seeking | Oct 30 23:43 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Oct 30 23:43 |
| schestowitz | they do that for sure... the picketing t0o | Oct 30 23:43 |
| _Goblin | they have to be different because nobody listens to them otherwise | Oct 30 23:43 |
| schestowitz | and it succeeds for them | Oct 30 23:43 |
| _Goblin | so they try to be as outlandish as possible in the hope to be noticed. | Oct 30 23:43 |
| schestowitz | and they do | Oct 30 23:43 |
| _Goblin | and I suppose it works....but for the wrong reasons | Oct 30 23:43 |
| schestowitz | the media helps them | Oct 30 23:43 |
| schestowitz | the same happened when people assassinated people for glory and attention | Oct 30 23:44 |
| schestowitz | the Guildford shooting | Oct 30 23:44 |
| schestowitz | then Norway | Oct 30 23:44 |
| schestowitz | they put the murderers on pedestals | Oct 30 23:44 |
| schestowitz | IMHO, there should be new rules | Oct 30 23:45 |
| schestowitz | when there is a murder the police should, as a matter of principle, withhold informatiomn | Oct 30 23:45 |
| schestowitz | and encourage the families not to name the murderer either is s/he gets life in prison | Oct 30 23:45 |
| schestowitz | nothing good comes out from one's expectation to make the front pages of papers | Oct 30 23:46 |
| schestowitz | even if they shame him/her, it's publicity | Oct 30 23:46 |
| schestowitz | incentive to do the unthinkable | Oct 30 23:46 |
| schestowitz | and newspapers have more impoetant things to cover anyway | Oct 30 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Things that affect a nation, not a family | Oct 30 23:46 |
| schestowitz | I read the Mirror and Daily Express the other day in a restaurant and both had domestic violance in the front page | Oct 30 23:47 |
| schestowitz | But none of these issues are major | Oct 30 23:47 |
| schestowitz | These are one anecdote for each | Oct 30 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Instead, they could publish statistics on that and how the nation intends to improve things... | Oct 30 23:48 |
| schestowitz | But that doesn't sell paper to common folks | Oct 30 23:48 |
| schestowitz | And also, they cam't use their angry headlines... one of them was not news but a strong opition like... "a shame they don't allow hanging for [name]" | Oct 30 23:48 |
| schestowitz | not even in quotes | Oct 30 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | just a front page headline | Oct 30 23:48 |
| schestowitz | "we need to kill this person" | Oct 30 23:48 |
| schestowitz | just not in those words | Oct 30 23:49 |
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