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schestowitzhttp://searchdatamanagement.techtarget.co.uk/news/2240107010/Talend-executives-vaunt-their-opNov 04 00:00
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schestowitzhttp://searchdatamanagement.techtarget.co.uk/news/2240107010/Talend-executives-vaunt-their-open-source-modelNov 04 00:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Talend executives vaunt their open source model .::. Size~: 52.42 KBNov 04 00:00
schestowitz"Diard: Not really. We have Deutsche Post and Citibank as customers. It’s not about rationalizing your costs. It’s more related to the open source model than the technology. It is a new way to consume your software. The key thing is that we are based on standards."Nov 04 00:00
schestowitzBSNov 04 00:00
schestowitzIOW, they're not open sourceNov 04 00:00
schestowitzJust misusing the labeklNov 04 00:00
schestowitzThis one smells like it too: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sonian-announces-release-of-sensu-an-open-source-cloud-monitoring-framework-2011-11-03Nov 04 00:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sonian Announces Release of Sensu, an Open Source Cloud Monitoring Framework - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 73.48 KBNov 04 00:02
schestowitzco-opting "open source"Nov 04 00:02
schestowitzwhen it has nothing to do with thatNov 04 00:03
schestowitzwho still calls them out? Nobody..Nov 04 00:03
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84895089Nov 04 00:06
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 03-Nov-11 23:44:48 UTC - Identi.ca: Microsoft updates Bing app for Android and iOS, not Windows Phone 7 http://is.gd/GrVrEs dead platform walking. #wp7Nov 04 00:07
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Microsoft updates Bing app for Android and iOS, not Windows Phone 7 | ZDNet .::. Size~: 145.51 KBNov 04 00:07
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84895093  Diablo-D3 http://identi.ca/notice/84895524Nov 04 00:07
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 03-Nov-11 23:45:09 UTC - Identi.ca: Cabinet Office publishes open source procurement toolkit http://is.gd/0tlYyZ #uk #egovNov 04 00:07
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Cabinet Office publishes open source procurement toolkit | Guardian Government Computing | Guardian Professional .::. Size~: 110.17 KBNov 04 00:07
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 04-Nov-11 00:05:30 UTC - Identi.ca: Mercedes hits 2 Occupy Oakland protesters http://ur1.ca/5mege #owsNov 04 00:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Step back I thought you had done another episode.Nov 04 00:10
Diablo-D3schestowitz: I already dented the mercedes onbeNov 04 00:10
schestowitzyeah, mine was a HTNov 04 00:12
DaemonFCI ran over a tree stump last night driving down a sidewalk trying to cut through a parking lot that was full to get around a one way streetNov 04 00:12
DaemonFC:)Nov 04 00:12
DaemonFCfortunately it sounded worse than it wasNov 04 00:12
schestowitzDaemonFC: your neighbour ran over the other neighbourNov 04 00:13
schestowitzAnd called it "rape"Nov 04 00:13
schestowitzIt's just such a funny storyNov 04 00:14
schestowitzTales of IndiantingtonNov 04 00:14
schestowitzDiablo-D3:  "BART police officers who were guarding nearby transit stations responded, questioned the driver and several witnesses, then let the driver leave the scene at 11th Street and Broadway in his car." and "Hartwig said witnesses had differing accounts of what happened, with some saying the driver appeared to have gunned the Mercedes into the victims in frustration and others saying he had been provoked by activists pounding on Nov 04 00:16
schestowitzhis car." Provoked or not, this is outrageous and it seems to me he should have been arrested! But, oh, wait, he wasn't being peaceful enough to warrant arrest..."Nov 04 00:16
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/737116Nov 04 00:16
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schestowitz"Im sorry but I absolutely hate it when people like him are called "skeptics". Hes as far as one can be from skeptics. For me, hes just another sentimental, biased denialist."Nov 04 00:18
schestowitzIndeedNov 04 00:18
schestowitzhttp://www.siliconindia.com/shownews/Ugliest_Laptops_Ever_Made-nid-96507-cid-31.htmlNov 04 00:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ugliest Laptops Ever Made - Page 3 .::. Size~: 116.48 KBNov 04 00:25
schestowitzhttp://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2395763,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03069TX1K0001121Nov 04 00:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Negroponte: We'll Throw OLPCs Out of Helicopters to Teach Kids to Read | News & Opinion  | PCMag.com .::. Size~: 102.8 KBNov 04 00:25
schestowitzit's probably an exaggerationNov 04 00:25
schestowitzI cannot be bothered to read itNov 04 00:25
schestowitz"Negroponte did say, however, that he felt the announcements of low-cost $50 tablets in India were mainly "hot air," because the low price was subsidized by the federal government. "Nov 04 00:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] !tzaf IdentizensNov 04 00:27
Diablo-D3schestowitz: the driver is basically fuckedNov 04 00:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] goodnight @satiperaNov 04 00:30
DaemonFCschestowitz: I still say dropping tablets from helicopters on illiterate african villages is the worse "initiative" yet from OLPCNov 04 00:32
DaemonFC"We tried using them to break rocks with, but they broke!"Nov 04 00:33
DaemonFC"There's a whole pile of them over there!'Nov 04 00:33
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schestowitzLOLNov 04 00:43
schestowitzDiablo-D3: I'm sure the car is OKNov 04 00:44
schestowitzI saw those simulations with the dummies/mannequinsNov 04 00:44
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DaemonFCyou're safest in an old banged up piece of crapNov 04 00:47
DaemonFCrich people are more careful because they'll assume you don't have a lot of insuranceNov 04 00:47
schestowitzLOLNov 04 00:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Software defined radio runs Linux http://ur1.ca/5mdoh #linuxNov 04 00:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New Nook Comes this week http://ur1.ca/5mdqw #linuxNov 04 00:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cabinet Office publishes open source procurement toolkit http://is.gd/0tlYyZ #uk #egovNov 04 00:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Mercedes hits 2 Occupy Oakland protesters http://ur1.ca/5mege #owsNov 04 00:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft updates Bing app for Android and iOS, not Windows Phone 7 http://is.gd/GrVrEs dead platform walking. #wp7Nov 04 00:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 'World's smallest' SDR radio runs Linux   - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 59.12 KBNov 04 00:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: It's official: New Nook Color tablet launching Nov. 7 | E-book readers - CNET Reviews .::. Size~: 72.83 KBNov 04 00:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cabinet Office publishes open source procurement toolkit | Guardian Government Computing | Guardian Professional .::. Size~: 110.23 KBNov 04 00:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mercedes hits 2 Occupy Oakland protesters .::. Size~: 109.7 KBNov 04 00:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft updates Bing app for Android and iOS, not Windows Phone 7 | ZDNet .::. Size~: 143.86 KBNov 04 00:54
schestowitzmassive identica lagNov 04 00:55
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2N593Tg494Nov 04 00:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Gates Closed! RT inside Occupy Oakland General Strike       - YouTube .::. Size~: 107.51 KBNov 04 00:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Gates Closed! RT inside Occupy Oakland General Strike http://ur1.ca/5mfz7 #owsNov 04 00:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 3/11/2011: Steam on PCLinuxOS, JavaFX http://ur1.ca/5mfz8 #techrightsNov 04 00:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Gates Closed! RT inside Occupy Oakland General Strike       - YouTube .::. Size~: 106.49 KBNov 04 00:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Links 3/11/2011: Steam on PCLinuxOS, JavaFX | Techrights .::. Size~: 114.02 KBNov 04 00:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Sad state of #liberty http://ur1.ca/5mg0mNov 04 01:00
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DaemonFCDATE: 3rd NovNov 04 01:02
DaemonFCYou can now bunker your troops to give them protection in an attack. Troops in the bunker get a slight range increase and take no damage while the bunker is intact.Nov 04 01:02
DaemonFCFill it with Rocket Launchers for anti-tank or Riflemen and Snipers for anti-infantry. Upgrade to increase both the armor of the bunker as well as its capacity.Nov 04 01:02
DaemonFCThrow in some suicide bombers for a nice surprise if it's compromised!Nov 04 01:02
schestowitzhttp://knowyourmeme.com/memes/do-a-barrel-rollNov 04 01:03
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DaemonFCwithout looking, that's from StarFoxNov 04 01:04
DaemonFChttps://encrypted.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=do+a+barrel+roll&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8Nov 04 01:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: do a barrel roll - Google Search .::. Size~: 151.04 KBNov 04 01:06
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84886911Nov 04 01:07
TechrightsBot-tr@Joshua Gay (joshuagay)'s status on Thursday, 03-Nov-11 17:37:35 UTC - Identi.ca: RT @fsf Don't forget -- time is running out for nominations for the !FSF free software awards -- http://ur1.ca/5asa1 !gnu !lpNov 04 01:07
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Nominations are open for the 14th annual Free Software Awards — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software .::. Size~: 28.48 KBNov 04 01:07
schestowitzsomeone here could nominate techrightsNov 04 01:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] 520 Days Later: Fake Mars Mission Ready to Return http://identi.ca/url/56379339Nov 04 01:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 520 Days Later: Fake Mars Mission Ready to Return | Wired Science | Wired.com .::. Size~: 62.83 KBNov 04 01:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Amazon out Apples Apple, and theres nothing wrong with that http://identi.ca/url/56379368Nov 04 01:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Apple and the Kindle (Aaron Swartz's Raw Thought) .::. Size~: 9.02 KBNov 04 01:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Yeah, me too. That's the reason for online conversation as far as I'm concerned. (Makes the world a smaller place.)Nov 04 01:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I suspect you're not writing a children's story :D !NaNoWriMoNov 04 01:47
DaemonFChttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Samba-gets-Microsoft-code-contribution-1370610.htmlNov 04 01:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Samba gets Microsoft code contribution - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 40.08 KBNov 04 01:48
DaemonFC[21:47] <DaemonFC> "But in the years that followed, the Samba developers had to resort to more and more reverse engineering as Microsoft moved further and further away from the specification "Nov 04 01:50
DaemonFC[21:47] <DaemonFC> embraceNov 04 01:50
DaemonFC[21:47] <DaemonFC> extendNov 04 01:50
DaemonFC[21:48] <DaemonFC> EX TER MIN ATE!!!!Nov 04 01:50
DaemonFC[21:48] <DaemonFC> B-)Nov 04 01:50
DaemonFC[21:48] <DaemonFC> just like MSHTMLNov 04 01:50
DaemonFC[21:48] <DaemonFC> or MS anythingNov 04 01:50
DaemonFC[21:48] <DaemonFC> it may start with a standard, but it doesn't stay faithful to it for long, provided it ever really didNov 04 01:50
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbQpIp6C-bkNov 04 01:58
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XFaCEDaemonFC: ExcellentNov 04 02:07
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XFaCEschestowitz: The final candidate for the oh so important 12.1 MicroSUSE release is out.Nov 04 02:15
XFaCEHmm.  I guess it's important in a negative way.  "Revolutionary" is a better word here, yes.Nov 04 02:16
DaemonFCoh, you have to be fair to them in some waysNov 04 02:19
DaemonFCthe KDE desktop is the default and has no Microsoft crap in itNov 04 02:20
DaemonFCthey do contribute to a lot of components that make up almost any Linux distributionNov 04 02:20
DaemonFCand they are not entirely controlled by AttachMateNov 04 02:20
DaemonFCbut they're a little close for my comfortNov 04 02:20
DaemonFCenough that I don't feel comfortable using it because it "may not be there next year"Nov 04 02:21
DaemonFCeverything that is evil and perverted and wrong about OpenSUSE's GNOME desktop applies to Ubuntu as wellNov 04 02:22
DaemonFCschestowitz gleefully glosses over this and promotes Ubuntu while only giving them a token criticism for their promotion of Mono and BansheeNov 04 02:22
DaemonFCI don't know how you can tell Ubuntu "tsk tsk" and tell people to stay away from OpenSUSE because it has Mono in it and is the great SatanNov 04 02:23
DaemonFCthey're both just as bad if you use Ubuntu with Unity or OpenSUSE with GNOMENov 04 02:24
DaemonFCI don't recommend Ubuntu anymoreNov 04 02:24
DaemonFCI used toNov 04 02:24
DaemonFCthat stopped when they started promoting Mono and making insane and broken changes to GNOMENov 04 02:25
DaemonFCI do recommend Kubuntu thoughNov 04 02:25
DaemonFCCanonical has a really high management turnoverNov 04 02:26
DaemonFCand they get them from all over the place, including former Microsoft and Apple employeesNov 04 02:26
DaemonFCand Open Core advocates like Matt AsayNov 04 02:26
DaemonFCthey each do their little bit of damage and then move on Nov 04 02:26
DaemonFCyou sleep with dogs you get fleasNov 04 02:27
DaemonFCyou sleep with Matt Asay, you wake up with your window controls on the wrong side, Banshee, and the global menuNov 04 02:27
DaemonFC:)Nov 04 02:27
DaemonFCthe global menu in Unity is annoying because it doesn't show the menu items until you mouse over itNov 04 02:28
DaemonFCeven though like 90% of that top bar is always empty anywayNov 04 02:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange would not face fair trial in Sweden: Robertson http://t.co/aeT02bTZ (more: http://t.co/RAPXDhOvNov 04 02:32
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DaemonFChttp://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/theticker/entries/2011/11/03/amd_cuts_1400_jobs.html?cxntcid=breaking_newsNov 04 03:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Business, Personal Finance, Technology, Employment news for Austin and Central Texas | Statesman.com .::. Size~: 115.22 KBNov 04 03:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Coming Soon: Computer Chip Implants For Human Tracking - #usa #surveillance #transhumanism #nwo #policestate http://goo.gl/lgJF4Nov 04 03:07
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DaemonFChttp://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-in-internetsales-ind,0,2339995.storyNov 04 03:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mall giant sues Indiana to tax Amazon.com sales - chicagotribune.com .::. Size~: 154.88 KBNov 04 03:33
DaemonFC""This action is being filed to benefit all of Indiana's taxpayers"Nov 04 03:33
DaemonFCby making them pay more tax?Nov 04 03:33
DaemonFChttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hZe4s9gt1NhRI8qXlyyhZYOlJ49w?docId=c95b9728ed504c0689c073f92a913f9cNov 04 03:40
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Associated Press: Perry endorses work visas for illegal immigrants .::. Size~: 32.79 KBNov 04 03:40
DaemonFCNow he's fucked. YayNov 04 03:40
DaemonFCno way the hicks are going to follow him thereNov 04 03:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] No way will I hit 5k tonight, but the outline's done & I've broken 1k. I'll try catching up tomorrow after I get some sleep. !NaNoWriMoNov 04 03:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @fairvotewrc @AnitaN88 writes in @WR_Record: those who benefit from the status quo succeeded in scaring people with baloney http://ur ...Nov 04 04:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Music as I do until I fall asleep. Why on radio 6 have they spent an hour ripping Morrissey to pieces? Not right not fair. #musicNov 04 04:12
DaemonFChttp://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_19258977Nov 04 04:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Occupy Oakland: Mayor Quan maintaining hands-off position on protesters - San Jose Mercury News .::. Size~: 79.32 KBNov 04 04:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @mako Posted on my blog about our community's (and my own) progress in slouching toward !autonomous network services http://ur1.ca/5ljo6Nov 04 04:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Slouching Toward Autonomy  :: Copyrighteous .::. Size~: 19.11 KBNov 04 04:30
DaemonFChttp://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0104/Could-you-pass-a-US-citizenship-test/Who-signs-billsNov 04 04:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Could you pass a US citizenship test? - Who signs bills? - CSMonitor.com .::. Size~: 65.42 KBNov 04 04:31
DaemonFChttp://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2395861,00.aspNov 04 04:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Issues Temporary Fix For 'Son of Stuxnet' Duqu Exploit | News & Opinion  | PCMag.com .::. Size~: 105.29 KBNov 04 04:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Le Roi Michel Ier, poil à gratter de la Roumanie http://ur1.ca/5mnt4 #roumanie #monarchy #roi #monarchie #europeNov 04 07:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Le Roi Michel Ier, poil à gratter de la Roumanie - LeMonde.fr .::. Size~: 120.69 KBNov 04 07:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] http://ur1.ca/5mo1w is missing you and your company! Please fix it here http://ur1.ca/5mo2d !fsfe !gnu !fs #FUNdraisingNov 04 07:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Soluţia regală - la Chișinău http://ur1.ca/5mo6m #romania #moldova #king #monarchy #royal #europe #politics #mihaiNov 04 07:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Premiul Libertăţii pentru Rege http://ur1.ca/5moay #moldova #romania #monarchy #king #politics #royal #europeNov 04 07:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @bluebomber ♺ @iloveubuntu: Shotwell 0.11.6 released with bug fixes !ubuntu http://ur1.ca/5mipbNov 04 08:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz Software defined radio runs Linux http://ur1.ca/5mdoh #linuxNov 04 08:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Shotwell 0.11.6 released with bug fixes | iloveubuntu  Ubuntu / Linux blog .::. Size~: 26.44 KBNov 04 08:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @fredmanglis: Fruck! a colleague just saw me on !identica and said it looks like #facebookNov 04 08:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] The *best* social networking app there is! ur1.ca/5mos1 !freesoftware !googlefreeNov 04 08:15
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schestowitzsomeone here could nominate techrightshttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/626000Nov 04 08:51
schestowitz"My issue with #Debian is it is crap on old intel junk, but runs fine on AMD. If this hardware was an AMD with 256 of ram I would be running about a dozen different distributions. I run free cycle machines. All of them have some issues or another. I miss the old Minix booted up on my old Amiga. The web is almost all bloated code these days and almost all the OS"s are bloated too."Nov 04 08:51
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schestowitzGood pointsNov 04 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Pirate Party of Australia Lashes Out at Software Patents http://ur1.ca/5mpdz #swpats #auNov 04 08:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Dear !lazyweb !ubuntu !linux !debian, looking for a new lappy; down to either ThinkPenguin Air Pro or HP ProBook 4330s; anyone can weigh-in?Nov 04 08:59
MinceRmy issue with debian is mono by default in the gui taskNov 04 09:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft Wants to Dance With Samba http://ur1.ca/5mpwj #samba #smb #swpatsNov 04 09:22
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MinceRgeekingsNov 04 09:23
schestowitzhey kmateNov 04 09:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The long term support release of Ubuntu (next release) may come with almost no Mono applications (or none) and there is http://ur1.ca/5mq02Nov 04 09:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ The long term support release of Ubuntu (next release) may come with almost no Mono applications (or none) and there is http://ur1. ...Nov 04 09:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @ChinesePod Will Chinese be the lingua franca of space? - http://bit.ly/ukLfnY now there's a thought #space #chineseNov 04 09:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Summum Bonum (Highest Good) of Social Capitalism - http://bit.ly/ssA0QG "What else does a man need?"Nov 04 09:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: QUOTE:  The Summum Bonum (Highest Good) of Social Capitalism - Global Guerrillas .::. Size~: 66.32 KBNov 04 09:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ‘Owning’ Language http://ur1.ca/5mqai Words you cannot use when Apple's police is out huntingNov 04 09:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @fontana Working assumption: #Ruby developers only view their HTML-based slide presentations in #Safari or #Chrome on #MacOSXNov 04 09:52
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MinceRbut will ubuntu also drop tomboy? if not, mono will still be on the cd and in the default install, won't it?Nov 04 10:02
schestowitzthey mitiage the problemNov 04 10:05
schestowitzWhen all that uses mono is just tomboy, (fspot got dropped), then they'll find that it makes sense to use gnote and recover lots of spaceNov 04 10:05
schestowitzand performance-wise it's betterNov 04 10:06
schestowitzBut U1 might have a lot that's dependent on Tomboy..Nov 04 10:06
schestowitzhmm... I just realisre that popey vanishedNov 04 10:06
iophkGnote should be the obvious drop-in replacement.Nov 04 10:06
schestowitzNot heard or seen him online for ages.... is he still with the ubuntu uk podcast?Nov 04 10:06
MinceRthey'll find that if they're motivated by making a better productNov 04 10:06
schestowitziophk: I discussed this withp opey, re u1Nov 04 10:07
schestowitzHe wasn't sure if gnote would stay compatibleNov 04 10:07
iophku1?Nov 04 10:07
schestowitzUbuntu built its "experience" around some appsNov 04 10:07
schestowitziophk: Ubuntu one us U1Nov 04 10:07
schestowitz*siNov 04 10:07
schestowitz*isNov 04 10:07
iophkGetting-Things-Gnome is another good option.Nov 04 10:07
schestowitzSynch over networkNov 04 10:07
schestowitziophk: so maybe someone should bring that up in forumsNov 04 10:08
schestowitzmaybe we'll mention this next time jono is inNov 04 10:08
iophkI hope he can participate in the discussion.  How should we bring it up next time he signs in?Nov 04 10:08
schestowitzengage with another topic at handNov 04 10:09
schestowitzthan swap Nov 04 10:10
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schestowitzThat's how I brought thhe Dell subject upNov 04 10:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @telecomix: Agents fought all night against Google cache, but they raised @Charlie_Hebdo_ from the cache: http://t.co/dkhifdc3Nov 04 10:10
schestowitzAnd made sure he did in fact read it and could not make the excuse of being absent at the timeNov 04 10:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #UK Government domains update - http://bit.ly/siEAWz "I put them in a database and added some meta-data about them": good workNov 04 10:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #Microsoft contributing code to !fs #Samba - See !fsfe 's #MSvsEU dossier for the history http://ur1.ca/5mqv3 !gnuNov 04 10:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Those people you run into and your day just improves ...Nov 04 10:43
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/two-weeks-with+ubuntu-instead-windows-7-linuxNov 04 10:58
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Source Seeker: Two weeks with Ubuntu instead of Windows 7: Linux is great, Unity needs work .::. Size~: 87.6 KBNov 04 10:58
schestowitzmore FUDNov 04 10:58
schestowitzmarathon ofv fud..Nov 04 11:00
schestowitzidgNov 04 11:00
schestowitzjulie...Nov 04 11:00
schestowitzMS section editorNov 04 11:00
cubezzzhave you seen this one:Nov 04 11:21
cubezzzhttp://www.muktware.com/news/2862Nov 04 11:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Linus Torvalds: Why Linux Is Not Successful On Desktops | Muktware .::. Size~: 32.32 KBNov 04 11:21
schestowitzyeahNov 04 11:21
schestowitzI linked to it 2 days agoNov 04 11:21
cubezzzah :)Nov 04 11:21
cubezzzwell I've been on linux desktop for 7 years nowNov 04 11:22
cubezzzno, 8 years Nov 04 11:22
cubezzzFeb 2003 was when I permanently switchedNov 04 11:22
cubezzzbut I was on Amiga back to 1987Nov 04 11:23
cubezzzTorvalds makes some good pointsNov 04 11:24
cubezzzI've seen windows 7 crash Nov 04 11:26
cubezzzI've done mutiple reloads for customers...Nov 04 11:26
cubezzzanyways, she did say "Linux was great"Nov 04 11:27
cubezzzgo with the positive :)Nov 04 11:27
cubezzzLinux _is_ greatNov 04 11:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @ioerror: Nice work: people notice Oakland police officer hiding his name badge, notify supervisor, who uncovers it http://ur1.ca/5mrvhNov 04 11:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: We ask a OPD officer why he had his name badge covered.... on Vimeo .::. Size~: 75.75 KBNov 04 11:45
MinceRi think Torvalds misses the main pointsNov 04 12:08
cubezzzlike what?Nov 04 12:10
cubezzzMicrosoft's control of OEMs I suppose? Nov 04 12:10
iophkMost people forget about M$ control of OEMs and go off on unrelated speculation.Nov 04 12:12
MinceRcubezzz: indeedNov 04 12:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] See, !Identica is fast this morning. Now yesterday it was like a slug. Let's hope they've turned a cornerNov 04 12:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] R» @thistleweb: [running like] a slug on speed desperately trying to escape from a cop with a swabNov 04 12:28
schestowitziophk: Linux will circumvent thisNov 04 12:30
schestowitzvia store shelvesNov 04 12:30
schestowitztablets, sub-notebooks (Chromebooks), etc.Nov 04 12:30
schestowitzapple will sue to take these off the shelvesNov 04 12:30
schestowitzMicrosoft will extort to try and make these MS cash cowsNov 04 12:30
schestowitzEllison will help Jobs punch Android in the b0llsNov 04 12:31
schestowitzAnd Microsoft will send patent trolls and liars like Florian to further cause harm from more partiesNov 04 12:31
iophkI can see that happening for tablets and smartphones .  However it is harder to see them getting in on notebooks or desktops.Nov 04 12:31
iophkre: Ellison -- Job's legacy could have been so much better.Nov 04 12:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] R» @paradiesstaub: How to Reset #Ubuntu Password Using #LiveCD - http://goo.gl/M3NGw - #LinuxNov 04 12:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How to Reset Ubuntu Password Using LiveCD .::. Size~: 61.23 KBNov 04 12:32
cubezzzagain, you can't stop Linux even on the desktopNov 04 12:32
cubezzznot unless this secureboot thing becomes a big problemNov 04 12:32
schestowitzLinux will always have market share on the desktopNov 04 12:32
schestowitzMany developers need Linux, it's technically the best envNov 04 12:33
schestowitzISVs asideNov 04 12:33
iophkyes but restricted boot puts a constraint on how much the after market growth of linux can beNov 04 12:33
schestowitzIf Ubuntu loses popularity, it means the technical folks just move to another distroNov 04 12:33
schestowitzSee in DistoWatch...Nov 04 12:33
cubezzzwe have to wait and see what happens re: securebootNov 04 12:33
schestowitzChoose 7-day pageview counterNov 04 12:33
schestowitzMind is at about 3400Nov 04 12:33
cubezzztoo early to tell yetNov 04 12:33
schestowitzUbuntu at 2000Nov 04 12:33
schestowitzMint is running over UbuntuNov 04 12:33
schestowitzFedora 16 is out in 6 daysNov 04 12:34
schestowitzmaybe 5Nov 04 12:34
cubezzzyeah there's tons of distrosNov 04 12:34
schestowitzBy next Firday anyway, unless they make last-minute withdrawalNov 04 12:34
schestowitzDid anyone here try F15?Nov 04 12:34
cubezzzyes, I have to say I didn't like itNov 04 12:35
schestowitzI installed F14 on some machines, but never touched 15Nov 04 12:35
iophkNo I haven't tried F15Nov 04 12:35
iophkI also tried F14Nov 04 12:35
cubezzzsame here, I'm running Fedora 14 on one boxNov 04 12:35
schestowitzcubezzz: what was wrong?Nov 04 12:35
schestowitzNo trinity?Nov 04 12:35
cubezzzno, not thatNov 04 12:35
schestowitzpackaging?Nov 04 12:35
cubezzzjust didn't like the look of itNov 04 12:35
cubezzzplus there was a suspend problemNov 04 12:36
schestowitzTheir octave package was semi-broken for meNov 04 12:36
cubezzzI was able to get F14 to work well, I'm still using itNov 04 12:36
cubezzzI like to ssh into every boxNov 04 12:36
cubezzzif it goes into suspend, I lose the ssh sessionNov 04 12:36
cubezzzAcer 5534 + F14 == goodNov 04 12:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Moving Windows with its applications: too difficult (Tim Anderson’s ITWriting): http://bit.ly/uTCwwwNov 04 12:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #BT under pressure to block The Pirate Bay - by Mark Sweney http://goo.gl/ajUzw #censorship #tpbNov 04 12:40
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Moving Windows with its applications: too difficult « Tim Anderson’s ITWriting .::. Size~: 50.8 KBNov 04 12:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] There is not a single case of Sweden (courts or executive) refusing to hand someone over to the US on receiving an extradition request.Nov 04 12:42
cubezzzanyway, on openbsd I'm running icewmNov 04 12:43
cubezzzwith a part of xfceNov 04 12:43
cubezzzI still like KDE 3.5.10 but it's still rather bigNov 04 12:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] (statistic in last tweet from year 2000 to present)Nov 04 12:52
amarsh04Debian runs fine on this machine with PentiumII-266Nov 04 12:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Swedish government 'hid' anti-terror operations with America from Parliament | Telegraph http://t.co/EjNv4hKbNov 04 13:12
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MinceRhttp://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1612.htmlNov 04 13:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Joy of Tech comic... An amazing social network. .::. Size~: 30.85 KBNov 04 13:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @reality: I AM EATING A MOTHERFUNKING SANDWICH. PSQUID IS DRINKING SOME GOD DAMNED DIET COKE.Nov 04 13:20
schestowitzhttp://kb9rlw.blogspot.com/2011/11/ubuntu-end-is-near.htmlNov 04 13:21
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sebsebsebMinceR: hiNov 04 13:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] A Brief Guide to Embodied Cognition: Why You Are Not Your Brain. (Scientific American): http://bit.ly/rTevqgNov 04 13:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A Brief Guide to Embodied Cognition: Why You Are Not Your Brain. | Guest Blog, Scientific American Blog Network .::. Size~: 96.33 KBNov 04 13:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] November CC Newsletter: Our Annual Campaign & CC License Version 4.0! http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/30259Nov 04 13:33
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schestowitzhmmm.. slow news dayNov 04 13:38
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sebsebsebschestowitz: Are your bots a supeybot?Nov 04 13:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] W3C removes then adds Time Element back to HTML5 (Wired): http://bit.ly/uobeTgNov 04 13:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Hillary Clinton declares the US is in an information war with competing voices http://t.co/jueQs1BDNov 04 14:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] W3C WHATWG HTML5 spec is a living standard; the W3C’s HTMLWG snapshots versions (Wired): http://bit.ly/vXrcFiNov 04 14:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Difference Between the WHATWG and the HTMLWG | Webmonkey | Wired.com .::. Size~: 37.91 KBNov 04 14:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: #ff to my new spokesperson: @ECspokesRyan http://p.ost.im/p/ekRgwGNov 04 14:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @kodel: #FF @TEDxUHasselt omdat wie er maandagavond niet bij kan zijn hier ook de sfeer kan komen proevenNov 04 14:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @coreation eigenlijk wel :) heb aan jou moeten denken bij de start manNov 04 14:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] UK Parliament debate on extradition abuses moved to day after Assange's last right to appeal healing (Nov 23) | TheWeek http://t.co/q2imvU0TNov 04 14:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Why is it all of a sudden I have to download apps to view news articles on Facebook? Gar!Nov 04 14:25
schestowitzsebsebseb: noNov 04 14:39
schestowitzI don't even know what you meantNov 04 14:40
sebsebsebschestowitz: type of botNov 04 14:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Leave Richard Stallman alone - http://bit.ly/u6OxYL nice, wise piece from @jackschofield (v @ralpost) #rmsNov 04 14:52
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MinceRhttp://xkcd.com/971/Nov 04 14:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Music industry demands BT block Pirate Bay - http://on.ft.com/sbybDz escalation was inevitable after Newzbin decision: where will it end?Nov 04 14:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] !Google tells Chamber of Congress to fuck off over supporting anti-American legislation http://identi.ca/url/56397113Nov 04 14:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Idiot Professor who tries to link Autism to everything refuses to submit peer reviewed paper http://identi.ca/url/56397134 !scienceNov 04 14:55
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schestowitzMS Jack throws a bone to the FSF http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/jacks-blog-10017212/leave-richard-stallman-alone-10024721/Nov 04 15:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #CentOS Makes a Good Impression http://ur1.ca/5mvi0 #redhat #gnu #linuxNov 04 15:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @glynmoody: Leave Richard Stallman alone - http://bit.ly/u6OxYL nice, wise piece from @jackschofield (v @ralpost) /cc @rmsNov 04 15:20
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84912531Nov 04 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 04-Nov-11 13:38:59 UTC - Identi.ca: #SystemRescueCd 2.4.0 Has Linux Kernel 3.1.0 http://ur1.ca/5mtnyNov 04 15:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Blimey! I would never have thought Schofield would write something like that.Nov 04 15:27
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schestowitzhttp://www.geeksailor.com/samsung-galaxy-nexus-rooted/Nov 04 15:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Samsung Galaxy Nexus Rooted In No Time .::. Size~: 33.96 KBNov 04 15:35
schestowitzsome sites make rooting sound like an antifeatureNov 04 15:35
schestowitzIf the owner of the phone can root it on demand, then it's a good thingNov 04 15:36
schestowitzbad for the carrier maybeNov 04 15:36
schestowitzand bad is rooting can be done remotely, which isn't the case here. It's not Windows.Nov 04 15:37
abeNd-org1carrier doesnt like the free wifi tethering appsNov 04 15:39
schestowitz"Stop Yer Whining: Microsoft Was Right to Kill the Courier" http://www.windowsitpro.com/article/paul-thurrotts-wininfo/wininfo-short-takes-november-4-2011-141157Nov 04 15:49
schestowitzMehNov 04 15:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: WinInfo Short Takes, November 4, 2011 .::. Size~: 76.26 KBNov 04 15:49
schestowitzTeam of boosters Nov 04 15:49
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XFaCENo DaemonFC?  This isn't going to be an entertaining channel...Nov 04 15:53
XFaCE;)Nov 04 15:53
XFaCEschestowitz: Did you see the chat session where I mentioned my university was making a big free software transition/Nov 04 15:53
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XFaCEschestowitz: You can't hide from me Roy!  You can't escape inevitability!Nov 04 15:55
schestowitz:-DNov 04 15:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Very good :)Nov 04 15:56
XFaCE[11:52] [XFaCE] schestowitz: Did you see the chat session where I mentioned my university was making a big free software transition/Nov 04 15:57
schestowitz"As a engineer / designer, I have no choice but a Windows environment due to the cad software we run. As a IT / Sys Admin, I run linux every chance I get. At home I run both. " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/732476Nov 04 15:57
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abeNd-org1man, i wish i could get my customers to transition off using printers completely :PNov 04 15:57
XFaCEschestowitz: Also, I've been on the waiting list for Diaspora for a long time.  Am I missing something?Nov 04 15:57
XFaCEYou're very silent today Roy.Nov 04 15:58
XFaCEProbably at the gym or working on programmingNov 04 15:59
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schestowitzthe latterNov 04 16:01
schestowitzvut I also to the gym in an hour...Nov 04 16:02
XFaCEok.Nov 04 16:02
schestowitzI'll post some news..Nov 04 16:02
XFaCEcoolNov 04 16:02
XFaCEdo you have time to answer my quick questions?Nov 04 16:02
schestowitzSambo gave ammo to the Microsoft press  http://redmondmag.com/articles/2011/11/03/samba-praises-microsoft-open-source-effort.aspxNov 04 16:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Samba Praises Microsoft Open Source Effort -- Redmondmag.com .::. Size~: 57.79 KBNov 04 16:04
schestowitz*SambaNov 04 16:04
schestowitzXFaCE: sureNov 04 16:04
XFaCE[11:52] [XFaCE] schestowitz: Did you see the chat session where I mentioned my university was making a big free software transition/Nov 04 16:07
XFaCE[11:56] [XFaCE] schestowitz: Also, I've been on the waiting list for Diaspora for a long time.  Am I missing something?Nov 04 16:08
schestowitzwaiting list?Nov 04 16:08
schestowitzI can send you an inviteNov 04 16:08
XFaCEThat would speed it up?Nov 04 16:09
XFaCENever mind, yes please.Nov 04 16:09
schestowitzwhat mail addy?Nov 04 16:09
XFaCExxxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxxx.xxxNov 04 16:10
XFaCE(Note to the logs, I did give Roy my email.)Nov 04 16:10
XFaCE("x" email is Just a placeholder)Nov 04 16:11
XFaCE(obviously)Nov 04 16:11
schestowitzxxxx.xxx might existNov 04 16:11
schestowitzwith icaan changesNov 04 16:12
schestowitzand the address fits allowed namespaceNov 04 16:12
XFaCElol smartasssNov 04 16:12
XFaCEI accidentally my grammarNov 04 16:12
schestowitzinvitation sentNov 04 16:13
XFaCEschestowitz: ThxNov 04 16:13
XFaCEand as for the other question?Nov 04 16:13
XFaCEschestowitz: Invite must be sllooow.Nov 04 16:14
schestowitzthe server has problems at this momentNov 04 16:15
schestowitzhad some issues earlier tooNov 04 16:15
XFaCEThe CentOS oneNov 04 16:16
XFaCE?Nov 04 16:16
schestowitzmaybeNov 04 16:17
schestowitzi didn't check what they useNov 04 16:17
XFaCEsebsebseb: I actually got a Google+ account invite.  I rightfully treated it as the plague.Nov 04 16:17
schestowitztechrights has load issue today as wellNov 04 16:17
XFaCEschestowitz: Oh, the diaspora serverNov 04 16:18
schestowitzBut it was much worse earlierNov 04 16:18
schestowitzsomeone got an error message when he tried posting a commentNov 04 16:18
XFaCEschestowitz: My university is moving from WebCT to MoodleNov 04 16:19
schestowitzI'm tempted to just go out now, tired of home already..Nov 04 16:19
schestowitzWebCT. heard from students who used itNov 04 16:19
schestowitzMoodle and Sakai are the known replacements for ECM is it called?Nov 04 16:19
XFaCEThe amazing thing though is that this was a democratic choice to an extent, with several classes testing alternatives, including CrapboadNov 04 16:20
schestowitzEducation something.. Content management...Nov 04 16:20
XFaCE*boardNov 04 16:20
XFaCEschestowitz: YepNov 04 16:20
schestowitzcrapboard is losing share I read... to FOSSNov 04 16:20
schestowitzSo now it's trying to 'embrace' itNov 04 16:20
XFaCEschestowitz: Well, this is proof positive.Nov 04 16:20
schestowitzRather than attack qwith patents\Nov 04 16:20
schestowitzBlackboard got money from MSFTNov 04 16:20
XFaCEschestowitz: Students/profs preferred Moodle overall.Nov 04 16:20
schestowitz!google techrighs blackboardNov 04 16:21
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Blackboard - Techrights | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/BlackboardNov 04 16:21
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Patents Roundup: Patent Lawyers, USPTO 'Thieves ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/10/26/patents-roundup-patent-lawyers-uspto-thieves-apple-and-microsoft/Nov 04 16:21
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Blackboard and TSC Block GNU/Linux in Education | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/07/22/schools-dominated-by-windows/Nov 04 16:21
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - STS Technology Blog: Hopkins is Using Tech Right | http://ststechblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/hopkins-is-using-tech-right.htmlNov 04 16:21
XFaCEschestowitz: Yep, read those.Nov 04 16:21
XFaCEthey also bought out WebCt, our old systemNov 04 16:21
XFaCEWe nearly got into a lock-in scenarioNov 04 16:21
schestowitzYou first came to this forum because of education systems...Nov 04 16:21
XFaCEbut that wn't happenNov 04 16:21
schestowitzIIRC, your college did some *Spark crapNov 04 16:21
XFaCEschestowitz: Actually, it was because of an "Excel 2007" class and MSDNAA :)Nov 04 16:21
schestowitzand you lectured the lecturers about why it's a dumb decisionNov 04 16:22
XFaCEschestowitz: Oh, I didn't have to.  The prof was already critical of Microsoft's software quality.Nov 04 16:22
XFaCEschestowitz: Making references to Lotus 1-2-3's convenient demise after the release of Windows 3Nov 04 16:23
XFaCEschestowitz: And the disjointed way programming occurs in their Indian labsNov 04 16:23
XFaCEschestowitz: Akin to separately developed parts slapped together with little care for optimization or efficiency.Nov 04 16:24
XFaCEschestowitz: Of course, this won't stop the course.Nov 04 16:24
XFaCEI think the Business school here is too Microsoft-enveloped.Nov 04 16:24
XFaCEschestowitz: As i've said before, it's night and day between the business school and the math/science schoolNov 04 16:25
XFaCEschestowitz: Right now I'm running SL on a Sun X workstation in the stats labNov 04 16:25
XFaCEschestowitz: Night and dayNov 04 16:25
XFaCEschestowitz: Have I tired you out? :PNov 04 16:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laforge/@laforge] returning home from #euc2011 with mixed feelings. Was good to have some glimpse into #erlang user crowd. Talks not technical enough :-(Nov 04 16:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] We are the 1%, OCCUPY MAIN STREET !!! http://ur1.ca/5mwn4Nov 04 16:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Randal L. Schwartz - Google+ - Heh - nice parody "We are the 1%" video… .::. Size~: 47.07 KBNov 04 16:30
XFaCEmsb__: Aren't people not using Google+?Nov 04 16:32
XFaCE:PNov 04 16:33
XFaCEOr supposed to be not using it?Nov 04 16:33
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abeNd-org1its the require real name, no nickname else we cancel your account issue people have with google+Nov 04 16:38
abeNd-org1doesnt let you be an anonymous bastardNov 04 16:38
FaitherI thought they just changed their policy regarding nicknamesNov 04 16:39
XFaCElol.  That requirement is as silly as most MS EULA, and just as easily brokenNov 04 16:39
XFaCE"But sir, my name is Danty Pantydroops!  I'm a masculine man!"Nov 04 16:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Researchers pledge to perform peer reviews for only those publications freely available on the web. https://eff.org/r.F9xNov 04 16:41
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sebsebsebXFaCE: Treated Googlehype as the plague????Nov 04 16:43
XFaCEsebsebseb: Well yeah, just like a Facebook inviteNov 04 16:43
sebsebsebright ok, but what you mean exactly?Nov 04 16:43
sebsebsebyou want to use something open?Nov 04 16:44
schestowitzhttp://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2011/7/23/4864299.htmlNov 04 16:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Gates Keepers :: Has one of the chairs of the Gates Foundation forgotten his own words or did someone make them up? .::. Size~: 17.81 KBNov 04 16:45
XFaCEsebsebseb: yes, and because of tracking shit, be it cookies, JS, whateverNov 04 16:47
sebsebsebah okNov 04 16:47
XFaCEXFaCE: I am very. very tired...Nov 04 16:49
sebsebsebXFaCE:  you messaged yourselfNov 04 16:50
XFaCEsebsebseb: I prove my point.Nov 04 16:50
XFaCE:PNov 04 16:51
*sebsebseb thinks XFaCE could have used the /meNov 04 16:51
*XFaCE waehfeoih2039yhr34qtp b1p95Nov 04 16:51
*sebsebseb thinks it was silly of XFaCE to use the /me like that though, which is also the completly wrong useage of /meNov 04 16:52
*XFaCE /me no?Nov 04 16:53
sebsebsebno me is an actionNov 04 16:53
XFaCEah, we can't go deeperNov 04 16:53
sebsebseba doingNov 04 16:53
sebsebsebthingNov 04 16:53
XFaCElolNov 04 16:53
XFaCElame Inception referenceNov 04 16:53
sebsebsebhmm?Nov 04 16:53
XFaCEyou know, a /me within a /meNov 04 16:54
XFaCE"We must go deeper!"Nov 04 16:54
XFaCEeh?Nov 04 16:54
XFaCEsebsebseb: Makes sense now?Nov 04 16:55
FaitherXFaCE: schizophrenic?Nov 04 16:58
FaitherxDNov 04 16:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UK Gov reduces e-petitions to public spleen-venting exercise - http://bit.ly/vEHgi6 they're only the electorate, after all...Nov 04 17:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Pirate Bay blocking and Newzbin - what precedent? - http://bit.ly/uc6Fo9 good point: there's a key difference hereNov 04 17:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Amnesty: Sweden failed to introduce torture as a crime in its penal code http://t.co/2oTOk7HcNov 04 17:01
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Faitherbtw, what are those e-petitions there for anyway? Did anything ever happen other than the govts saying that they value the input but couldn't care less?Nov 04 17:01
XFaCEFaither: Err. nooo...Nov 04 17:02
XFaCEFaither: Those e-petitions, in the words of George Carlin, "give the illusion of free choice."Nov 04 17:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] Almost 20,000 signatures! Keep spreading the word: Stand up for your freedom to install free software http://ur1.ca/5fq1q !fsf !gnuNov 04 17:03
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XFaCEFaither: BTW, "errr. nooo" was to you first questionNov 04 17:03
FaitherXFaCE: pretty much nailed itNov 04 17:03
FaitherXFaCE: figured that out ^^Nov 04 17:03
XFaCEGood, continuity can be a pain sometimes...Nov 04 17:04
XFaCEschestowitz: Another BAWWWER:Nov 04 17:04
XFaCE"I'm offended by his statement about Steve Jobs and his constant crusade against Apple while he remains silent about Microsoft even though they're much worse offenders.Nov 04 17:05
XFaCEMike Cohen via Facebook Nov 04 17:05
XFaCE4 November, 2011 15:22"Nov 04 17:05
FaitherXFaCE: you kind of get used to it over the years of chats not being linearNov 04 17:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joshuagay/@joshuagay] RT @fsf Almost 20,000 signatures! Keep spreading the word: Stand up for your freedom to install free software http://ur1.ca/5fq1q !fsf !gnuNov 04 17:05
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XFaCEFaither: It's like Inception, or that All Good Things... episode of TNGNov 04 17:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Millions of birds migrating to Spain face painful deaths in glue-filled traps - http://bit.ly/tGQk8U bunch of selfish peasants #spainNov 04 17:06
FaitherXFaCE: i guessNov 04 17:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Millions of birds migrating to Spain face painful deaths in glue-filled traps | Environment | The Guardian .::. Size~: 88.77 KBNov 04 17:06
XFaCEFaither: Hmm... faither... interesting nameNov 04 17:07
FaitherXFaCE: not of english origin thoughNov 04 17:07
XFaCEshould I take it literally or try to disect some deeper meaning?Nov 04 17:07
XFaCEOh, it's your actual nameNov 04 17:07
Faitherno it isn'tNov 04 17:07
XFaCEWell that answers that question :PNov 04 17:07
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XFaCEohNov 04 17:08
FaitherXFaCE: It's a nickname that came about when i was still in schoolNov 04 17:08
XFaCEI guess my original question stands then :)Nov 04 17:08
FaitherXFaCE: Based on a pronounciation pun of a part of my last nameNov 04 17:08
FaitherXFaCE: in german xD which makes it kind of complicated ^^Nov 04 17:09
FaitherWould be pronounced kind of like fighter in englishNov 04 17:10
Faitherwell like the german word fighterNov 04 17:10
FaitherokNov 04 17:10
Faithernow i'm confused myselfNov 04 17:11
Faitherpronounced like the english word fighterNov 04 17:11
Faithermost think it's english though ^^Nov 04 17:11
Faitherdoes that answer your question, XFaCENov 04 17:13
Faither?Nov 04 17:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Fundação Francisco Manuel dos Santos - @ffmspt de cavalo para burro, antes corriam sobre #debian agora #msiis6....#fear http://www.ffms.ptNov 04 17:13
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XFaCEFaither: Yes....Nov 04 17:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why The Internet Has Been Awesome For Both Musical Artists and Fans - http://bit.ly/spUOWj good to see this nonsense debunked #fogiesNov 04 17:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Friday's security updates http://ur1.ca/5mxmfNov 04 17:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Giving Firefox on Android another chance. Lets see how it performs!Nov 04 17:40
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Faitherssh is great xD The Mouse on my moms PC just broke, I sshed into her Box over the internet and started the video player and adjusted the sound levels so she could watch her series ^^Nov 04 17:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Internet is amazing - http://bit.ly/sxzjgt a quick reminder for any curmudgeons still readingNov 04 17:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Prison Planet Archive - Elite Sex Ring #xfiles #nwo http://goo.gl/K11UCNov 04 18:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Elite Sex Rings 2 - #xfiles #nwo http://goo.gl/BZPlXNov 04 18:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] Want to help !KDE 's #Nepomuk? http://trueg.wordpress.com/2011/11/04/lets-convince-nokia-that-funding-nepomuk-makes-sense/Nov 04 18:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @psquid: BREAKING NEWS: @reality eats a pizza! Film at ten.Nov 04 18:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Peak Oil Reports for Easy Reference - #peakoil http://goo.gl/IXTNvNov 04 18:25
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DaemonFCCanada has some really dirty oil to sell usNov 04 18:25
DaemonFCand there's some really dirty tar sand oil discovered in the USNov 04 18:25
DaemonFCyay, we're all savedNov 04 18:25
DaemonFCuntil we bakeNov 04 18:25
DaemonFCthe US will probably use eminent domain to force people off their land, then sell it for one dollar to some foreign companyNov 04 18:26
DaemonFCso they can mine it all and sell it back to us at $100 a barrelNov 04 18:26
DaemonFCwhile they pay no taxes, are lauded as "job creators" and have the occasional leak into the ground waterNov 04 18:27
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MinceRaren't usian oil companies good enough anymore?Nov 04 18:39
DaemonFCMinceR: It wouldn't be fair to keep our oil to ourselves and sell it to ourselves at a fair priceNov 04 18:40
DaemonFCwe have to take "bids"Nov 04 18:40
DaemonFC:)Nov 04 18:40
MinceRsure. one usian megacorp against the other.Nov 04 18:41
DaemonFCnahNov 04 18:41
DaemonFCthe WTO crap got rid of thatNov 04 18:41
DaemonFCnow we have to let foreign companies bid to mine our own natural resourcesNov 04 18:41
DaemonFCand sell them back to usNov 04 18:41
DaemonFCMinceR: Welcome to bureaucracy  Nov 04 18:42
DaemonFCMinceR: The Canadian government-ran healthcare system covers up the health problems that the tar sand oil mining is causing for Canadians in the surrounding areaNov 04 18:43
DaemonFCthe government doesn't want to admit fault because then someone has to pay for the damage doneNov 04 18:44
DaemonFCso they abuse their healthcare monopoly so that no doctor will tell the truth about where all the health problems are fromNov 04 18:44
DaemonFCcancers and breathing disorders are rampant in Alberta Nov 04 18:45
DaemonFCand no doctor will admit the mining is the problemNov 04 18:45
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DaemonFCI have a feeling this might end up happening in the US as one of the fun benefits of ObamaCareNov 04 18:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Human Rights Watch: Sweden Violated Torture Ban with U.S. Help (2005) http://t.co/6HEitwtSNov 04 19:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Todd Rider Has a Kill Switch for Viruses - Businessweek - #bigpharma won't let him... #scitek http://goo.gl/ddIA2Nov 04 19:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Flickr now hosts 200 million CC licensed photos. Help the movement scale to a billion! Donate today at http://creativecommons.net/donate/Nov 04 19:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Donate to Creative Commons | Creative Commons .::. Size~: 36.76 KBNov 04 19:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is reality with 81 dents!Nov 04 19:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @fsf Almost 20,000 signatures! Keep spreading the word: Stand up for your freedom to install free software http://ur1.ca/5fq1q !fsf !gnuNov 04 19:50
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DaemonFCryanfarmerNov 04 19:56
DaemonFCI'm up for renewal in May and when  that happens, DirecTV is gone. They're worse than Comcast with sneaking in fees and upping the bill whenever they feel like it.Nov 04 19:56
DaemonFCThe only thing keeping me with them is the contract.Nov 04 19:56
DaemonFCTheir latest scam was pretending to have a dispute with News Corp (which OWNS them btw) to justify paying themselves more money because they threatened themselves with removing their own channels if they didn't pay themselves more money. Guess who is paying DirecTV more money so they can pay themselves more money to keep carrying Fox Noise Channel. Me.Nov 04 19:56
DaemonFCThe early termination clause says you have to pay them $20 for every remaining month to get out of your contract. As May gets closer and closer, I'm considering paying them to just go away,Nov 04 19:56
DaemonFC:)Nov 04 19:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] interesting being a german speaking event. as i can mostly only listen, people perceive me as being "quiet". neat.Nov 04 19:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] RT @floeff LibreOffice 3.4.4 RC2 is available: http://ur1.ca/3824g !liboNov 04 20:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] Help stop the latest round of Internet Blacklist legislation! http://ur1.ca/5mzvs !fsf !gnuNov 04 20:08
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DaemonFClmaoNov 04 20:10
DaemonFCI ordered my flame throwers to roast a group of infantry I baited out of their baseNov 04 20:10
DaemonFC"When it's black, it's done!"Nov 04 20:10
DaemonFCB-)Nov 04 20:10
DaemonFCI sent in 1 rifleman as bait, and ended up killing off 82 riflemen and 7 rocket troopsNov 04 20:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Economic Insights from a Lord of Finance - Casey Research - #lof #bankingsystem http://goo.gl/16nQMNov 04 20:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Peak Oil: Why We Need To Plan Now - #peakoil http://goo.gl/x0pgI - #reports http://goo.gl/IXTNvNov 04 20:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] AusCERT - #UNIX Intruder Detection Checklist - #tips #security http://goo.gl/2y137Nov 04 20:36
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schestowitzI've just got back home, eager to chat again :-)Nov 04 20:45
schestowitzJust met my friend who is a former rugby player (Wasps) and knows some players who need people to work on projects for them :-)Nov 04 20:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[faither/@faither] Yes #Apple, if choice and diversity are bad you most certainly will rule supreme. #jailphone #jailpad #jailOS ur1.ca/5n0neNov 04 20:53
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/741955Nov 04 21:10
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84924778http://identi.ca/notice/84924778Nov 04 21:12
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84924778 http://identi.ca/notice/84924778Nov 04 21:13
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sebsebsebschestowitz: I think they are dropping Mono in the default install for 12.04 since Banshee will go back to Ryhtombox not sure quiteNov 04 21:14
sebsebsebmissed that since issue with the videoNov 04 21:14
schestowitzidentica is a broken POSNov 04 21:14
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84924778Nov 04 21:14
sebsebsebhad a echo thing since trying to get full screen, but uhNov 04 21:14
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84924824Nov 04 21:14
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84924896Nov 04 21:14
schestowitzThey technically committed suicideNov 04 21:14
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sebsebsebschestowitz: yep Identica has been having issues recentlyNov 04 21:14
schestowitza lotNov 04 21:14
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sebsebsebapparnatly only Evan looks after it now or somethingNov 04 21:15
sebsebsebas wellNov 04 21:15
sebsebsebschestowitz: yep bye bye MonoNov 04 21:17
sebsebsebschestowitz: Mono won't be in the default  install of 12.04 still in reposNov 04 21:17
schestowitzFor sure?Nov 04 21:18
sebsebsebschestowitz:  yesNov 04 21:18
sebsebsebschestowitz:  and they will switch back to Ryhtombox as wellNov 04 21:18
schestowitzlink?Nov 04 21:18
sebsebsebso bye bye MonoNov 04 21:18
sebsebsebschestowitz: it was in the UDS videoNov 04 21:18
sebsebsebfrom Orlando at the momentNov 04 21:18
schestowitzcoolNov 04 21:18
schestowitzwhat about tomboy?Nov 04 21:18
sebsebseband they were just talking about it in the channel for that as wellNov 04 21:18
sebsebsebyep that will go as wellNov 04 21:18
schestowitzI guess we won then :-)Nov 04 21:19
schestowitzFirst Novell, then MonoNov 04 21:19
sebsebsebI think it's to save space reallyNov 04 21:19
sebsebsebon the CDNov 04 21:19
sebsebseband since Rythombox is good enough again nowNov 04 21:19
schestowitzdo you watch it live now?Nov 04 21:19
schestowitzWhen did they say no mono?Nov 04 21:19
schestowitzIf it's very new, I'll post urgentlyNov 04 21:20
sebsebsebschestowitz: yep they said it a little while ago inNov 04 21:20
sebsebsebthe UDS wrap upNov 04 21:20
schestowitzCan you give me the quote?Nov 04 21:21
schestowitzEven roughly?Nov 04 21:21
schestowitzfor techrights to report it accurately..Nov 04 21:21
sebsebsebschestowitz: not quite, just saying it's gone, becasue Ryhtombox is good neough now or whateverNov 04 21:21
schestowitzDid they say banshee is gone or all of mono?Nov 04 21:22
schestowitzAs that would imply tossing gbrainy and tomboyNov 04 21:22
sebsebsebschestowitz: yep they will drop Mono Nov 04 21:22
schestowitzcoolNov 04 21:22
schestowitzthanksNov 04 21:22
sebsebseband they said how they will get  a certain amoutn of sapce backNov 04 21:22
sebsebsebschestowitz: and in the UDS channel someone was saying how that meansNov 04 21:22
sebsebsebTomboy won't be there as well anymoreNov 04 21:22
schestowitzhttps://mobile.twitter.com/schestowitz/status/132565768893235200 https://mobile.twitter.com/schestowitz/status/132564848910413824 https://mobile.twitter.com/schestowitz/status/132564525051412480Nov 04 21:24
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/739031Nov 04 21:36
schestowitz"Nov 04 21:36
schestowitzMicrosoft is desperately looking for small, inconsequential ways to contribute to GPL projects without diminishing any of their monopoly (so they can point out to the DoJ what good citizens they are). Adding support to the kernel to make Linux virtualize windows better was one attempt, offering help to Blender with Windows issues (Blender has a windows version and MS has no 3d software) is another. The Samba stuff is another example.Nov 04 21:36
schestowitzI wouldn't expect them to be stopping their mafia style patent threats against Linux using companies any time soon though...Nov 04 21:36
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schestowitz"Nov 04 21:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/132565768893235200 Nov 04 21:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: #Novell Trial Teaches Us Why Microsoft’s #UEFI Plans Are Quite Likely Malicious http://t.co/SsQeyEVN #linuxNov 04 21:36
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/132564848910413824 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/132564525051412480Nov 04 21:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Living standards [IMG] http://t.co/hTWA33FbNov 04 21:36
TechrightsBot-tr@: Nov 04 21:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Heckler http://t.co/74lsY5ObNov 04 21:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laforge/@laforge] #erlang dialyzer has helped to uncover a number of bugs in the #osmocom erlang code already. yay!Nov 04 21:38
sebsebsebschestowitz: might be abel to get the quote actsaullyNov 04 21:38
sebsebsebor why it's being removedNov 04 21:38
schestowitzThat would be goodNov 04 21:38
schestowitzI can the update the postNov 04 21:38
sebsebsebnot sure quite, it's just some of it  I can still play agianNov 04 21:39
sebsebseb,but not that bit it seemsNov 04 21:39
sebsebsebanymroeNov 04 21:39
sebsebseboh here we go I thinkNov 04 21:40
sebsebsebfinally going to switch back to Rythombox for various reasonsNov 04 21:40
sebsebsebwhich as a conciquence will meanNov 04 21:40
sebsebsebwe have 30mb of free spaceNov 04 21:40
sebsebsebsince this will drop monoNov 04 21:40
sebsebseband of course we have had some usability conersn about reythomboxNov 04 21:40
sebsebsebso we will sort that out, or whatever he saidNov 04 21:40
MinceRhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/738805Nov 04 21:40
sebsebsebschestowitz: ,but yep they seem to be dropping it to get space backNov 04 21:40
sebsebseband, because Rythombox is good enough again now, going by some other UDS sessionNov 04 21:41
sebsebsebI listended toNov 04 21:41
sebsebsebwould make upgrading from 10.04 to 12.04 a bit smootherNov 04 21:41
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cubezzzno one likes amarok?Nov 04 21:43
cubezzzor just straight mplayerNov 04 21:43
DaemonFChttp://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?64588-Ubuntu-Acknowledges-Boot-Speed-Problem&p=237165#post237165Nov 04 21:44
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sebsebsebschestowitz: someone wnated Tomboy still, but that's in repos, and that's not really that reliventNov 04 21:44
sebsebsebschestowitz: also do the blog post right, I see a mistake alreadyNov 04 21:44
sebsebsebschestowitz: based on the Live video of the UDS wrap up....Nov 04 21:45
sebsebsebthat there wasNov 04 21:45
MinceRor AudaciousNov 04 21:45
sebsebsebschestowitz: and maybe put something in about how it should make upgrading form 10.04 to 12.04 a bit smoother, because 10.04 still uses Rythombox by defaultNov 04 21:46
DaemonFCDespite what FUDsters out there will tell you about XFS, I haven't lost any data to it. I'm not on any kind of fancy system and I deon't have a UPS, and Duke Energy manages to knock out the power in this part of Indiana on a regular basis. (Not much more than a stiff breeze will suffice) (Note: My tax money pays for brand spanking new power plants in Iraq while the US state of Indiana to which I also pay taxes has something meant to run vacuum Nov 04 21:46
DaemonFCcleaners on in the 1970s.)Nov 04 21:46
sebsebsebschestowitz: make that blog post a bit better I think, it's all a bit badly wordedNov 04 21:47
sebsebsebI thinkNov 04 21:47
sebsebsebalso the UDS wrap up is over now, they will be on the verge to a after UDS partyNov 04 21:48
DaemonFCUbuntu does some crazy messed up shitNov 04 21:48
DaemonFCfirst making the image not fit on a CD so they can ship a broken Windows program claiming to be a Linux media playerNov 04 21:48
DaemonFCthen getting rid of initial ramdisks Nov 04 21:48
DaemonFCwere there GOOD drugs passed out at UDS this year or what?Nov 04 21:49
_GoblinOh dear....Nov 04 21:50
cubezzzhippoplayer :)Nov 04 21:50
sebsebsebschestowitz: yeah that blog post is badly worded, one of the like Ubuntu leaders did a speech, where it got mentioendNov 04 21:50
_GoblinWasted an entire even on totNov 04 21:51
_Goblin*eveningNov 04 21:51
cubezzzevening 5:50 pmNov 04 21:52
cubezzzclose enoughNov 04 21:52
cubezzzcool, Yggadrasil has some mod filesNov 04 21:53
MinceRi don't remember anyone telling me "DaemonFC lost data to XFS"Nov 04 21:53
sebsebsebschestowitz: actsually that blog post probalby isn't that badNov 04 21:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Gates Foundation Still Strives for Power Over Teachers http://ur1.ca/5n1o8 #education #usNov 04 22:01
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DaemonFCryanfarmerNov 04 22:01
DaemonFCIn my universe, bloat means something that's added that is larger than other solutions. The argument isn't primarily about fitting on a CD, my argument is there's no reason it can't have all the important features it does now and NOT fit on one.Nov 04 22:01
DaemonFCBanshee, gbrainy, tomboy, and Mono are $20,000 hammers and $50,000 toilet seats because they don't do anything useful.Nov 04 22:02
DaemonFCgbrainy is just a game, and not a very good one.Nov 04 22:02
DaemonFCBanshee is basically Rhythmbox in Microsoft.NET with more bugs and still using GTK 2 and a problematic shim to communicate with Gstreamer.Nov 04 22:02
DaemonFCTomboy alone (the note taker) uses as much RAM as the XFCE edition of Crunchbang Linux does after booting. It also has a C++ port that is faster and takes half the RAM.Nov 04 22:02
DaemonFCYou can spin this anyway you want, but $20,000 hammers, and $50,000 toilet seats are what they are.Nov 04 22:02
DaemonFC Do I need to remind anyone (again) why Mono is legally unsafe to ship? I'll refrain, because anyone that's not a Canonical employee or some kind of ignoramus here can see for themselves the threat it continues to pose to the legality of redistributing any distribution that comes with it.Nov 04 22:02
sebsebsebDaemonFC: Banshee is still GTk+2 you sayNov 04 22:05
DaemonFCShasta McShastaNov 04 22:05
DaemonFCThose apps are included both for the new user, and more importantly people with limited access to internet.  Sometimes, what is on the live CD is all they have for a while.Nov 04 22:05
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DaemonFCryanfarmerNov 04 22:05
sebsebsebthat reminds me from this other UDS session I listended to ealrier this week, it seems it's since Rythombox is now GTK+3 now as well, that they are making the switch backNov 04 22:05
DaemonFCThen I hope they don't need to do anything involving most media codecs, or use any software that is 32-bit, or needs fast 3d support.Nov 04 22:05
DaemonFCWhat you get after installing the LiveCD is pretty useless until you go and get a bunch of stuff from the internet anyway. Your clock may not even be set right until that happens.Nov 04 22:05
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DaemonFCoops, I should have pared that one downNov 04 22:05
sebsebsebDaemonFC: and well yeah there's the possible patents issues as well, another reason not the best idea to ship it reallyNov 04 22:06
sebsebsebplus if you think about it,  loads of people coming to Ubuntu are doing so to get away from Windows and Microsoft, so in that case, why use  programs that have been programmed in a Microsoft like way?Nov 04 22:07
DaemonFCmadjr CollapseNov 04 22:08
DaemonFCwould be better if people didnt need cds, dvds or usb sticks and just install from the download..Nov 04 22:08
DaemonFCryanfarmerNov 04 22:08
DaemonFCIt would be even better if you could just imagine it and skip the download.Nov 04 22:08
DaemonFC:)Nov 04 22:08
MinceRgnNov 04 22:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Ease - a presentation application for the GNOME Desktop - #flosstools #gnulinux http://ur1.ca/5n1tvNov 04 22:09
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sebsebsebschestowitz: Oh I could have told you the other day, that they were thinking about replaceing Banshee with Rythombox, but ah wellNov 04 22:13
sebsebsebjust seen how you had a blog post about that as wellNov 04 22:13
DaemonFChttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/banshee-tomboy-and-mono-dropped-from-ubuntu-12-04-cd/Nov 04 22:15
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DaemonFCVictory over Mono Day?Nov 04 22:15
sebsebsebDaemonFC: I was going to see what they had to say as well, but now you given link so :DNov 04 22:15
sebsebseblet's click itNov 04 22:15
DaemonFCBanshee, Tomboy And Mono Dropped from Ubuntu 12.04 CDNov 04 22:15
DaemonFCBy Joey Sneddon, Published November 4, 2011Nov 04 22:15
DaemonFCBanshee will be replaced by Rhythmbox for Ubuntu 12.04.Nov 04 22:15
DaemonFCThe news was confirmed during the wrap-up session of the Ubuntu Developer Summit.Nov 04 22:15
DaemonFCBut Banshee is not the only removal: note-taking application Tomboy is also to be removed from the default application set on the CD.Nov 04 22:15
DaemonFCTomboy and Banshee both relied on the ‘mono’ framework. As this is no longer needed “out of the box”, it too will be removed form the default CD.Nov 04 22:15
DaemonFCInklings towards the removal of Banshee were felt at the Default Apps Session earlier this week, where a strong case was made for the return of Rhythmbox.Nov 04 22:15
DaemonFCMore on this to come shortly.Nov 04 22:15
DaemonFCI guess my arguments with the mono boosters on this site are moot nowNov 04 22:16
DaemonFCthey made the right choice, it will not only be faster, smaller, and less resource demanding, but it removes Ubuntu from the legal gray area it has been in since Mono first appeared in the default ISO imageNov 04 22:17
DaemonFCif this decision is binding, I will go back to recommending Ubuntu to people Nov 04 22:18
DaemonFCalongside Kubuntu of courseNov 04 22:18
DaemonFCmandatory Mono was the biggest gripe I had with themNov 04 22:18
sebsebsebDaemonFC: yeah well it's interesing to see what they have to say in comments on omgubuntuNov 04 22:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !Listening to "The Handyman's Lament" one of my favorite cuts from @joshwoodward's Ashes http://ur1.ca/2e3bu !jamendo !cc (by) !freecultureNov 04 22:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just when you thought it was safe to start your #Identica client; it reverts to the unreliable status it's had for weeks nowNov 04 22:19
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sebsebsebDaemonFC: hmm ohNov 04 22:19
sebsebsebDaemonFC: and I kind of hope they have success actsaully with  Ubuntu on mobile phones later onNov 04 22:20
sebsebsebmore choice for consumersNov 04 22:20
sebsebseb,but of course they may get patents trolls after them, saying that Unity or the Linux kernel  breaks patents or whatever you knowNov 04 22:20
sebsebsebDaemonFC: well yeah having Ubuntu as another choice out their for phones, would be good reallyNov 04 22:20
sebsebsebI guessNov 04 22:20
sebsebseb,but that won't be untill the next LTS some time it seemsNov 04 22:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I love formatting a dent, watching it fail, then format it again; it's funNov 04 22:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Thanks, @nybill ~ WOW ~ that is awesome (and I hope ventilated if it's art-by-Sharpie) http://ur1.ca/5msilNov 04 22:21
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sebsebsebgoing by recent stuff about thatNov 04 22:21
DaemonFCDavid NielsenNov 04 22:21
DaemonFCPerformance bugs is something you are encouraged to report (www.banshee.fm/file-bugs)Nov 04 22:21
DaemonFCCan you people just crawl back into your hole and quit recommending Microsoft API? You already failed to contaminate Fedora and now you've just lost your Ubuntu beachhead too. To the Mono project: Die already. :)Nov 04 22:21
DaemonFC-me Nov 04 22:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Fight The Power: Chuck D Sues Universal Music For Hundreds Of Millions In Unpaid Royalties http://goo.gl/2trEjNov 04 22:24
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DaemonFCthere's now a poll on that omgubuntu articleNov 04 22:24
schestowitzNielsen LOLNov 04 22:24
DaemonFCout of 49 votes so far, 75.51% are in favor of getting rid of MonoNov 04 22:25
DaemonFC12.24% are indifferent Nov 04 22:25
DaemonFC12.24% want it backNov 04 22:25
schestowitz:-)Nov 04 22:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] i can actually understand much of what is said these days; just the replying bit is missing ;)Nov 04 22:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @fsf Help stop the latest round of Internet Blacklist legislation! http://ur1.ca/5mzvs !fsf !gnuNov 04 22:26
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DaemonFCmeaning nearly 9 out of 10 people polled so far either want it gone or don't care if it is removedNov 04 22:26
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DaemonFCmeaning it was probably  one of those things Ubuntu/Canonical pushed on Ubuntu users without considering any community input firstNov 04 22:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "out of 49 votes so far, 75.51% are in favor of getting rid of Mono" ~Ryan @ #techrightsNov 04 22:27
DaemonFCbut that's a lot of what they doNov 04 22:27
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DaemonFCManish Sinha, Open Minded, Rationalist and FOSS Enthusiast.Nov 04 22:31
DaemonFCNope. Tomboy notes was one app which was very simple to use. You don't need a computer science degree to use it unlike other applications.Nov 04 22:31
DaemonFCryanfarmer CollapseNov 04 22:31
DaemonFCYou need a computer science degree to use the C++ port (Gnote)? I thought the only requirement difference was that Gnote only requires half the RAM and no foreign runtimes. :) Thanks for playing.Nov 04 22:31
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schestowitzDaemonFC: tony mancio did cbrnchmarksNov 04 22:31
schestowitzlet me find them for youiNov 04 22:32
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2009/05/01/gnote-vs-tomboy-test/Nov 04 22:32
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DaemonFCRobert NordanNov 04 22:32
DaemonFCWell, it's all about discovery. I'm not sure I'd ever have caught on to how great it is if I hadn't started it out of curiosity from a default install.Nov 04 22:32
schestowitz"THE legal issues around Mono put aside, Tony Manco has just compared Tomboy and Gnote [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6], noting that the former takes 2.324 seconds to start on his system, which is very slow in comparison with just 0.280 seconds for Gnote."Nov 04 22:32
schestowitzAnd see RAM tableNov 04 22:32
DaemonFCryanfarmer CollapseNov 04 22:32
DaemonFCWhy don't you start an Ubuntu Brainstorm entry calling for them to install Gnote in the default ISO? It is identical to Tomboy aside from using half the RAM and having no foreign runtime dependencies.Nov 04 22:32
schestowitzthe mono boosters will have a bad weeken dNov 04 22:33
schestowitzBut they'll get over itNov 04 22:33
schestowitzthey can still infect MSUSENov 04 22:33
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DaemonFChttp://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/28844/Nov 04 22:40
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sebsebsebDaemonFC: they have space issues for the default ISONov 04 22:46
sebsebsebGnote would take up space as wellNov 04 22:47
DaemonFCryanfarmerNov 04 22:50
DaemonFChttp://img825.imageshack.us/im...Nov 04 22:50
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DaemonFCAlso, you quote "DirectHex" The only thing he does involving Ubuntu is trying to push more Mono apps into it and spreading lies and FUD about anything that doesn't use Microsoft API.Nov 04 22:50
DaemonFCUbuntu would be better off without these so-called contributors who only exist to infiltrate the project and inject Microsoft patents.Nov 04 22:50
sebsebsebDaemonFC: I think Canonical/Ubuntu might even work on Rythombox a bit and make it more useableNov 04 22:52
sebsebsebgoing by something that was said earlierNov 04 22:53
sebsebsebsomeone asked me why it's big news that Mono is gone,  don't think I gave a very good answer thoughNov 04 22:59
sebsebsebwill be gone even aboveNov 04 22:59
DaemonFCMono gone = better user experience because it means native applications will be there insteadNov 04 23:05
DaemonFCand likely with less bugsNov 04 23:06
schestowitzDaemonFC: good stuff. You owned themNov 04 23:06
DaemonFCeven if you don't care about the legalityNov 04 23:06
schestowitzubuntu will require less ramNov 04 23:06
schestowitzno mono runtime at startup for tomboy crapola in the panelNov 04 23:06
DaemonFCright, Banshee is much fatter than RhythmboxNov 04 23:06
schestowitzminirok is very light\Nov 04 23:06
DaemonFCon the order of slightly less than double the memory footprintNov 04 23:07
schestowitzand has keyboard accelerators that are globalNov 04 23:07
schestowitzbut it's qtNov 04 23:07
DaemonFCI use AmarokNov 04 23:07
DaemonFCI know it's bloated but it's just so niceNov 04 23:07
DaemonFCit's one of those things where I don't care that it uses 300 megs of RAM because it works so wellNov 04 23:08
DaemonFCnot that I'd argue if they reduced that footprint :)Nov 04 23:08
DaemonFCbut it's not the deciding factorNov 04 23:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Estes senhores na @sicnoticias devem de viver noutra dimensão qq, ou então acham q o pessoal é todo estúpido. #mediapapagaiosNov 04 23:18
DaemonFC406 votesNov 04 23:18
DaemonFC69% want Mono goneNov 04 23:18
DaemonFC19% don't careNov 04 23:18
DaemonFC12% want it backNov 04 23:18
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DaemonFCI wonder why the Mono people aren't sitting there voting that they want it back, repeatedly, just to mess up the pollNov 04 23:20
DaemonFCthe comments section seems to have flushed them all out and have them on the defenseNov 04 23:20
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84926966Nov 04 23:31
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 04-Nov-11 21:33:46 UTC - Identi.ca: Breaking: #Ubuntu is Dumping Mono, #Mono Applications http://ur1.ca/5n17d #gnu #linuxNov 04 23:34
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schestowitzI just saw diaspora saying they lack enougbh serversNov 04 23:34
schestowitzThey can't cope with trafficNov 04 23:34
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 04-Nov-11 21:59:00 UTC - Identi.ca: Even the UN Calls Out Bill Gates’ BS http://ur1.ca/5n1o6 #lobbyingNov 04 23:35
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/132571264861741056Nov 04 23:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Breaking: #Ubuntu is Dumping Mono, #Mono Applications http://t.co/L8NVdo9t #gnu #linuxNov 04 23:35
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/132584382547501057  https://.twitter.com/schestowitz/status/132584373559107584Nov 04 23:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: "out of 49 votes so far, 75.51% are in favor of getting rid of Mono" ~Ryan @ #techrightsNov 04 23:35
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/132584373559107584Nov 04 23:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: 12.24% want Mono back in Ubuntu. That's one in 8. #ubuntu #canonical #monoNov 04 23:36
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schestowitzI'mn very close to just dumping identicaNov 04 23:36
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sebsebsebschestowitz: oh?Nov 04 23:42
sebsebsebschestowitz: well  give it time, things will get more sortedNov 04 23:42
sebsebsebschestowitz: ,but it's annoying that the lost dents haven't come backNov 04 23:42
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAxMTMNov 04 23:44
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schestowitzsebsebseb: yeahNov 04 23:44
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sebsebsebuh whatNov 04 23:46
sebsebsebthey are going DVD sized?Nov 04 23:46
sebsebsebover 700MBNov 04 23:46
sebsebsebthey been very strict so far to keep it well 700MB by the most, but yeah space issuesNov 04 23:46
sebsebsebI guess since Qt and all the rest of it they want in the ISO now as well reallyNov 04 23:47
sebsebsebwell let's read that linkNov 04 23:47
sebsebsebthen again it's kind of time to target DVD's nowNov 04 23:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] In Praise of #Fedora 16 http://is.gd/8FcDso #redhatNov 04 23:55
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