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| DaemonFC | apparently instead of that crappy Google Custom Search, they will use real Google with a referral ID like Ubuntu does | Nov 06 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm OK with that | Nov 06 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | I hated Google Custom Search | Nov 06 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | and them hijacking Opera with it | Nov 06 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | it's unusable | Nov 06 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | missing features + tons more ads | Nov 06 00:01 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: reading that | Nov 06 00:01 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: about to see first screenshot in full | Nov 06 00:02 |
| sebsebseb | ,but uhmm | Nov 06 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | CSE is meant for sites like WINE to avoid having to index themselves | Nov 06 00:02 |
| sebsebseb | yeah Mint are so doing the right thing it seems | Nov 06 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | not meant to be a browser search | Nov 06 00:02 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: mint site now having a server issue | Nov 06 00:03 |
| sebsebseb | or for me anyway | Nov 06 00:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] SHUT UP THAT IS JUST A RUMOUR I DO NOT DO THAT | Nov 06 00:04 | |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I think Mint may become much more popular than Ubuntu | Nov 06 00:04 |
| sebsebseb | I hope so actsualley | Nov 06 00:04 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: also that would be quite funny really a Ubuntu based distro becoming much more popular than Ubuntu itself | Nov 06 00:05 |
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| DaemonFC | without Ubuntu as an upstream, they'd have to base on Debian | Nov 06 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | it's the problem with a parasite killing the host | Nov 06 00:06 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: you calling Mint a parasite? | Nov 06 00:06 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah well they got their Debain based version as well | Nov 06 00:06 |
| sebsebseb | for quite a while now | Nov 06 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | they base on Ubuntu, they drain users and take advantage of Ubuntu's hard work | Nov 06 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | if they kill it, they will need to replace that work | Nov 06 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | same relationship with Ubuntu and Debian | Nov 06 00:07 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: and Ubuntu take advantage of Debian loads yeah | Nov 06 00:07 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Mint will start providing more of their own stuff now | Nov 06 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | since what Ubuntu is doing | Nov 06 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | so they will become even more of their own distro now | Nov 06 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | :D | Nov 06 00:10 |
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| sebsebseb | it won't just be say 99% Ubuntu and 1% Mint for the Ubuntu based version | Nov 06 00:11 |
| sebsebseb | it will be more like 98% Ubuntu and 2% Mint or something like that | Nov 06 00:11 |
| sebsebseb | :D | Nov 06 00:11 |
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| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: also it seesm that Mint are still complelty not bothering with Unity | Nov 06 00:14 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: in fact with Mint 11 I treid to instal lit, but nope I coudn't just do that | Nov 06 00:14 |
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| DaemonFC | http://opensource.com/life/11/11/drm-graveyard-brief-history-digital-rights-management-music | Nov 06 00:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The DRM graveyard: A brief history of digital rights management in music | opensource.com .::. Size~: 85.78 KB | Nov 06 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Mint will do waht Ubuntu should have done really, as in used Gnome Shell and patched it a bit making more user friendly. | Nov 06 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Nov 06 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | "Customers soon discover that each of these tracks downloaded from iTunes--even the new, DRM-free ones--has the user's personal information embedded." | Nov 06 00:29 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: anyway got this link given in another channel: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=1525665&postcount=23 | Nov 06 00:30 |
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| DaemonFC | they got one detail wrong | Nov 06 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | the DRM'd music in Walmart's store was not MP3 | Nov 06 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | it was WMA | Nov 06 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | when they dropped the DRM, they changed to MP3 | Nov 06 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | 'What happens to the music you paid for if that company changes its mind? | Nov 06 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | Answer: It PlaysForSure (TM). | Nov 06 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Nov 06 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | -guy on Slashdot | Nov 06 00:32 |
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| DaemonFC | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/11/05/144211/sco-zombie-creaks-into-motion-again | Nov 06 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | PlaFoShizzle | Nov 06 00:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Auto-de-fé dos cépticos - #ecotretas #greenterrorism http://goo.gl/utCIO | Nov 06 00:36 | |
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| DaemonFC | it's easier to kill a zombie than SCO | Nov 06 00:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] That's not clear. Do you mean the internal URLs to people's profile pages on the site, or their "homepage" links to other sites? | Nov 06 00:43 | |
| DaemonFC | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/11/05/0350245/ms-traces-duqu-zero-day-to-font-parsing-in-win32k | Nov 06 00:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: MS Traces Duqu Zero-Day To Font Parsing In Win32k - Slashdot .::. Size~: 146.46 KB | Nov 06 00:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Also, I'm not sure that either one should be nofollow. | Nov 06 00:44 | |
| DaemonFC | "MS has traced the Duqu zero-day to a vulnerability in font parsing in win32k. Many file formats like HTML, Office, and PDF support embedded fonts, and in NT4 and later fonts are parsed in kernel mode!" | Nov 06 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | would you expect anything less from Microsoft? | Nov 06 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | it probably was done that way because parsing fonts in the kernel was significantly faster with slow mid-90s processors | Nov 06 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | In the 90s, Microsoft was trying to pack everything they could into kernel mode to make it a bit faster | Nov 06 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | Now, they're trying to get everything they put there back out into user space because it opened up literally thousands of exploits that wouldn't have been possible otherwise | Nov 06 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | the Duqu "zero day" has been exploitable in every version of WIndows released since 1996 | Nov 06 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | it isn't new | Nov 06 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/11/05/031259/music-industry-pushing-for-bt-to-block-pirate-bay | Nov 06 00:53 |
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| DaemonFC | they'll have an easier time getting the UK to do this | Nov 06 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | at least until E-TYRANT passes in the US | Nov 06 00:53 |
| Faither | DaemonFC: I'm getting more and more scared of our gvts | Nov 06 00:57 |
| Faither | govts^ | Nov 06 00:58 |
| Faither | the german one is lobbying for trojan use... | Nov 06 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | they're already using them | Nov 06 01:00 |
| Faither | even in other countries | Nov 06 01:04 |
| Faither | german trojan is being used in other EU member states | Nov 06 01:05 |
| Faither | that is | Nov 06 01:05 |
| Faither | and Switzerland | Nov 06 01:05 |
| Faither | xd | Nov 06 01:05 |
| Faither | I've become so paranoid that I encrypted all my HDDs and put my bootloader/partition on a thumb drive | Nov 06 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | you know their malware only targets Windows | Nov 06 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Nov 06 01:12 |
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| DaemonFC | not only that, the stupid fucks only target certain executable names to be keylogged | Nov 06 01:12 |
| Faither | DaemonFC: You shold read the german articles xD | Nov 06 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | Pidgin isn't one of them | Nov 06 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox, Opera, IE, and Chrome are | Nov 06 01:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !NaNoWriMo cheeseburger: http://ur1.ca/5npi2 #humour | Nov 06 01:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Of course that character - Loldogs, Dogs 'n' Puppy Dog Pictures - I Has A Hotdog! .::. Size~: 78.69 KB | Nov 06 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | but using Chromium you'd be safe from the keylogger | Nov 06 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | until they add that executable to the list | Nov 06 01:13 |
| Faither | DaemonFC: They also claim to have trojans for other platforms | Nov 06 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 06 01:13 |
| Faither | well they aren't the brightest, CCC pointed that out | Nov 06 01:13 |
| Faither | according to forensics done on two troans they re using a single (now publically know) private key xD | Nov 06 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen more impressive malware from Russia and China | Nov 06 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | German malware seems to have been written by Visual Basic-wielding 15 year olds in comparison | Nov 06 01:15 |
| Faither | pretty much | Nov 06 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | some malware even attacks and removes competing malware | Nov 06 01:16 |
| Faither | yes installing anti virus and other funny things xD | Nov 06 01:16 |
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| DaemonFC | one of them was hauling around a modified AVG antivirus engine designed to make sure the system was free of other malware before it installed itself | Nov 06 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | now that is some quality malware | Nov 06 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 06 01:17 |
| Faither | :) | Nov 06 01:18 |
| Faither | German government is now looking for qualified personel to start its own trojan department | Nov 06 01:18 |
| Faither | Ethics blown out of the window | Nov 06 01:20 |
| Faither | all that matters is that we're save from those terrorists | Nov 06 01:20 |
| schestowitz | !google german minister plagiarism | Nov 06 01:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - German defence minister resigns in PhD plagiarism row | World ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/01/german-defence-minister-resigns-plagiarism | Nov 06 01:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - German Minister Resigns Over Plagiarism Scandal - WSJ.com | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704506004576173970765020528.html | Nov 06 01:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - German defense minister's plagiarized PhD dissertation visualized | http://flowingdata.com/2011/03/02/german-defense-ministers-plagiarized-phd-dissertation-visualized/ | Nov 06 01:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - German minister resigns amid plagiarism scandal - USATODAY.com | http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2011-03-01-germany-plagiarism_N.htm | Nov 06 01:21 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 06 01:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Visa, WikiLeaks-Datacell lawyers to meet at Icelandic embassy on Wednesday | Daily Mail http://t.co/gSp2SeKs | Nov 06 01:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 06 01:21 |
| Faither | schestowitz: there are several minister who resigned | Nov 06 01:22 |
| Faither | but maybe that's why they are now pushing for stricter copyright law xD | Nov 06 01:23 |
| Faither | stricter -.- | Nov 06 01:23 |
| Faither | is that even a word in english? xD | Nov 06 01:23 |
| Faither | looks odd to me | Nov 06 01:24 |
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| Faither | schestowitz: and sorry again that I had to run but I was being picked up earlier going to a bd-party | Nov 06 01:25 |
| DaemonFC` | Jabba just hit the reset button on my computer | Nov 06 01:25 |
| Faither | xD | Nov 06 01:25 |
| Faither | wb then | Nov 06 01:26 |
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| Faither | or not xD | Nov 06 01:26 |
| Faither | wb now? ^ ^ | Nov 06 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | ghost | Nov 06 01:26 |
| Faither | now i won't be able to sleep tonight, i was always told ghosts wouldn't exist ;) | Nov 06 01:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] We thank the people of Iceland for their unyeilding support http://t.co/gSp2SeKs | Nov 06 01:31 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 06 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.ubuntu.com/ | Nov 06 01:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Homepage | Ubuntu .::. Size~: 31.56 KB | Nov 06 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | We are cloud | Nov 06 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 06 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | We are Borg! | Nov 06 01:32 |
| Faither | Isn't "ground-braking CLOUD technology" some sort of an oxymoron? | Nov 06 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | curiosity is the source of wasted CD-Rs | Nov 06 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | every time they say they fixed a pile of bugs | Nov 06 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | and turns out they added a new pile | Nov 06 01:36 |
| Faither | Ubuntu never worked "out of the box" for any systems I installed it on | Nov 06 01:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Solar Power + Hand Cranked Portable AM/FM Radio - Free Shipping - DealExtreme - #preppers http://goo.gl/chJG1 | Nov 06 01:38 | |
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| Faither | I'd always have to use some sort of work around which in turn broke the update to a new version... | Nov 06 01:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Hands off WikiLeaks! Big Obama protest, Australian Parliament house, Nov 17. http://t.co/Omi0vFE6 | Nov 06 01:41 | |
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| DaemonFC | downloading a Fedora 16 RC 5 ISO | Nov 06 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | I am curious about GNOME 3.2 and the last Fedora 16 compose I tried was so broken that it consistently crashed within minutes of booting up | Nov 06 01:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] You can use your MasterCard with Nazi cult Aryan Nation, but not with WikiLeaks: http://t.co/eV98JmA0 compare: http://t.co/F2tkiaDj | Nov 06 02:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] The Global Square: an online platform for our movement http://t.co/3O2SiYZR | Nov 06 02:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 06 02:21 |
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| DaemonFC | this computer player base has walls that spell out BACON | Nov 06 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/7124/snapshot27y.png | Nov 06 03:21 |
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| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?64613-Linux-Open-Source-Affected-In-AMD-Cutbacks&p=237362#post237362 | Nov 06 03:37 |
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| DaemonFC | https://daemonfc.wordpress.com/2011/11/06/amd-fires-1400-workers-who-is-in-danger-if-amd-disappears/ | Nov 06 03:46 |
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| DaemonFC` | that was weird | Nov 06 04:38 |
| DaemonFC` | my computer just rebooted itself | Nov 06 04:38 |
| DaemonFC` | then crashed when loading KDE | Nov 06 04:38 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] No gravy in Spain? | Nov 06 05:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !tzaf & good night !identiverse | Nov 06 05:54 | |
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| DaemonFC | Sysinfo for 'ryan-desktop': Linux 3.1.0-7.fc16.x86_64 running KDE Development Platform 4.7.3 (4.7.3), CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 945 at 800 MHz (5986 bogomips), HD: 3/909GB, RAM: 2641/7988MB, 167 proc's, 34.51min up | Nov 06 07:08 |
| amarsh04 | sysinfo on Debian requires mono | Nov 06 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | for Konversation? :) | Nov 06 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer destroyed Mark's base in War Commander! | Nov 06 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | Unstoppable war machine! | Nov 06 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | DIE!!!! | Nov 06 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 06 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | why would a sysinfo script need Mono? | Nov 06 07:39 |
| DaemonFC | you can make those in anything | Nov 06 07:39 |
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| azalyn | any articles yet on the mono removal? | Nov 06 07:41 |
| azalyn | i'm sure a bunch of people are happy, and others are probably upset | Nov 06 07:42 |
| azalyn | i enjoy reading about drama like that.. hehe | Nov 06 07:42 |
| *DaemonFC is listening to I Can't Decide by Scissor Sisters on Ta-Dah (FLAC) [Amarok] | Nov 06 07:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Wine 1.3.32 Has Been Released | What’s New | Download http://ur1.ca/5nv7f | Nov 06 08:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Wine 1.3.32 Has Been Released | What’s New | Download | LinuxNov .::. Size~: 50.68 KB | Nov 06 08:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #OccupyOakland: video shows journalists, legal observers seeking seek safety, then arrested http://identi.ca/url/56448188 | Nov 06 09:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Thirsty [IMG] http://ur1.ca/5nvch | Nov 06 09:08 | |
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| MinceR | geekings | Nov 06 09:12 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] College near Mangalore hosts three-day #Debian meet http://ur1.ca/5nvfn #india | Nov 06 09:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Sigh. Back on the road again - now to San Diego for ISO/IEC JTC1 Plenary on behalf of ITSC.org.sg. | Nov 06 09:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Canonical Hiring Chromium Browser Engineers http://ur1.ca/5nvjg | Nov 06 09:26 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/84965439 | Nov 06 09:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 06-Nov-11 09:21:55 UTC - Identi.ca: Semantic Desktop in GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/5nvhn #gnu #gnome #linux | Nov 06 09:27 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Why #Ubuntu Should Just Focus on the Desktop Market http://ur1.ca/5nvke | Nov 06 09:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Occupy protesters declare #GoldmanSachs guilty, get arrested http://is.gd/AOgHGE like #madoff but bigger, more friends in govt. #us | Nov 06 09:31 | |
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| MinceR | http://catb.org/esr/writings/unix-koans/unix-nature.html | Nov 06 09:35 |
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| oiaohm | Interesting that Ubuntu is starting to see the light on Mono | Nov 06 09:43 |
| oiaohm | Next question how long until the light on the audio stack clicks. | Nov 06 09:43 |
| schestowitz | pulseaudio? | Nov 06 09:44 |
| oiaohm | pulseaudio vs jackaudio vs alsa | Nov 06 09:44 |
| oiaohm | Nightmare from hell. | Nov 06 09:44 |
| schestowitz | hell yeah | Nov 06 09:45 |
| schestowitz | no, seriously... | Nov 06 09:46 |
| schestowitz | what's the matter in Ubuntu with sounds? Works ok for me.. | Nov 06 09:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.muktware.com/news/2866 | Nov 06 09:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linus Torvalds: Software and Process Patents Don't Make Sense | Muktware .::. Size~: 31.05 KB | Nov 06 09:46 |
| schestowitz | :-) linux ftw | Nov 06 09:46 |
| msb__ | Someone I was talking with recently fixed their audio problems by getting rid of pulseaudio and using alsa. I don't remember the details. The person helping said that pulseaudio frequently causes difficulties. | Nov 06 09:49 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Yep I deal with a few people running windows applications in wine where that is the only option. | Nov 06 09:50 |
| oiaohm | Wine requirement for highly correct timing and sending half done stuff older pulseaudio versions don't like. | Nov 06 09:50 |
| oiaohm | msb__: also going to get interesting with alsa providing information to access raw alsa that pulseaudio cannot delete either. | Nov 06 09:53 |
| msb__ | With alsa I can't use TV sound (Line input) to record a TV show on disk using mencoder, and microphone sound (Mic input) to talk via VOIP -- IHU -- at the same time. | Nov 06 09:54 |
| oiaohm | msb__: not always true | Nov 06 09:56 |
| oiaohm | That does come down to alsa config and hardware. | Nov 06 09:57 |
| msb__ | But my sound chip has 3 input channels, so it might be possible if I understood the alsa API and was able to select a channel properly in mencoder, and a different one in IHU (which might require a little hacking to get more audio menu options). | Nov 06 09:57 |
| msb__ | Anyhow, with pulseaudio I wasn't able to get either to work. | Nov 06 09:58 |
| oiaohm | msb__: sometimes is really horid with alsa such as creating virtual sound cards. | Nov 06 10:01 |
| oiaohm | So the locking ends up split. | Nov 06 10:01 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Yes doing that really needs to be made simpler. | Nov 06 10:01 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: I've never even heard of virtual sound cards or locking -- way over my head. | Nov 06 10:02 |
| oiaohm | msb__: alsa supports taking a single sound card. And making like line in and line out and mic and speaker respond to OS as if they are on two different sound cards. | Nov 06 10:03 |
| msb__ | The guy leading the Trinity Desktop (KDE3) project favors alsa. | Nov 06 10:03 |
| oiaohm | But doing it requires knowing your way around asound.conf | Nov 06 10:04 |
| oiaohm | Ie something like that should be simple. | Nov 06 10:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/news/gates-prepares-return-to-witness-stand/6316647 | Nov 06 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Gates prepares return to witness stand - ZDNet .::. Size~: 105.47 KB | Nov 06 10:04 |
| oiaohm | You don't always want the sound card as 1 piece. | Nov 06 10:04 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Why not? | Nov 06 10:05 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: I am very naive in this area. | Nov 06 10:05 |
| oiaohm | It splits the mixer controls. msb__ | Nov 06 10:06 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: What's the good of that? | Nov 06 10:06 |
| oiaohm | Think about it 2 applications using the same sound card. | Nov 06 10:07 |
| oiaohm | One adjust volume it can stuff the other up. | Nov 06 10:07 |
| oiaohm | When they are split as two cards. | Nov 06 10:07 |
| oiaohm | True independant control | Nov 06 10:07 |
| msb__ | Ah, yes, I've encountered that. xmms and mplayer volume controls interact with each other. | Nov 06 10:08 |
| oiaohm | Now think you are now running a sound out to speakers and line in for a background feed and a mic. | Nov 06 10:09 |
| oiaohm | Last thing you want is mixed up volume controls. | Nov 06 10:09 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Yes I have done audio desks using Linux. | Nov 06 10:09 |
| oiaohm | So I most likely know too much the Linux audio stack can be got do. | Nov 06 10:12 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Can you point me to a manual that explains this and tells me what system or library calls to make (in C) to access the various input channels of alsa and my audio chip separately? | Nov 06 10:13 |
| msb__ | Running two or more apps that produce sound seems to be no problem. I can play mp3s while talking on voip and it all comes through the speakers ok. | Nov 06 10:14 |
| oiaohm | Umm | Nov 06 10:15 |
| oiaohm | you are not going to like the next answer. | Nov 06 10:16 |
| oiaohm | Read the source of alsa lib. | Nov 06 10:16 |
| oiaohm | I sorry to say the case is no one has really bothered writing a manual that is anywhere near correct. | Nov 06 10:16 |
| oiaohm | Its that bad that at times driver developers get it wrong. | Nov 06 10:17 |
| oiaohm | So adding even more problems. | Nov 06 10:17 |
| msb__ | This stuff is great! http://catb.org/esr/writings/unix-koans/zealot.html | Nov 06 10:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Master Foo and the Unix Zealot .::. Size~: 3.54 KB | Nov 06 10:18 |
| oiaohm | Really esr annoys me. | Nov 06 10:21 |
| oiaohm | Because that is incorrect in many ways. | Nov 06 10:21 |
| oiaohm | "he condemned programmers to a thousand hells of buffer overruns, heap corruption, and stale-pointer bugs" Also missed is that Patriarch Ritchie invented away to detect all of those. | Nov 06 10:22 |
| oiaohm | Programmers using C incorrectly condemned self to hell. | Nov 06 10:23 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 06 10:24 |
| oiaohm | All the patriarchs behind unix did try to fix there mistakes. | Nov 06 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Did everyone listern? | Nov 06 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Really if we all did we would not be human. | Nov 06 10:24 |
| oiaohm | I did have the enjoyment of being in the room with Patriarch Ritchie talking about compliers and other things. | Nov 06 10:26 |
| msb__ | Geoffrey James wrote three little books -- The Tao of Programming, The Zen of Programming, Computer Parables. Very good. | Nov 06 10:27 |
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| msb__ | http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Documentation | Nov 06 10:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Documentation - AlsaProject .::. Size~: 15.44 KB | Nov 06 10:28 |
| msb__ | The link "Overview of ALSA" gives 404 Not Found! | Nov 06 10:29 |
| msb__ | However, it is in the wayback machine: | Nov 06 10:29 |
| msb__ | http://web.archive.org/web/20090209052931/http://www.agnula.info/documentation/dp_tutorials/alsa_jack_ladspa/ | Nov 06 10:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The AGNULA project - Alsa, Jack and Ladspa .::. Size~: 74.29 KB | Nov 06 10:30 |
| oiaohm | msb__: of course esr does not say that the master foo bit is from the book "The art of Unix programmin By Eric S. Raymon" | Nov 06 10:31 |
| oiaohm | msb__: of course esr does not say that the master foo bit is from the book "The art of Unix programming By Eric S. Raymon" | Nov 06 10:31 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/84965763 | Nov 06 10:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 06-Nov-11 09:36:47 UTC - Identi.ca: Rooney has died. Here he is explaining Windows' "Start to shut down" logic http://is.gd/2e8TfC friend's grandpa struggled with it 2 days ago | Nov 06 10:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: RIP Andy Rooney: A look back at his classic Bill Gates rant - GeekWire .::. Size~: 78.04 KB | Nov 06 10:38 |
| msb__ | Ooh, neat! That book seems to have found its way to my disk some how. | Nov 06 10:38 |
| oiaohm | msb__: really not so much is one of the more mass replicated coding books because its under creative commons. | Nov 06 10:40 |
| msb__ | Phew! I can breathe easy now! | Nov 06 10:41 |
| msb__ | With the right use of technology and a good economic system, there would be plenty for everyone, so all information could be free, as it wants to be. | Nov 06 10:43 |
| msb__ | No worrying about IP. | Nov 06 10:43 |
| iophk | Is there a way to get the Any Rooney piece in HTML5? The geekwire page goes only to Flash. | Nov 06 10:44 |
| iophk | *Andy | Nov 06 10:45 |
| oiaohm | Really wrong. msb__ | Nov 06 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Part of IP is respect to author. | Nov 06 10:46 |
| oiaohm | msb__: just because something is free does not mean credit to author can be skipped. | Nov 06 10:46 |
| msb__ | Author can be respected by always giving credit to her/him. | Nov 06 10:47 |
| msb__ | But information is so easy to duplicate that it requires a police-state to prevent info-sharing. | Nov 06 10:47 |
| oiaohm | msb__: respect is respect. | Nov 06 10:48 |
| oiaohm | If someone wants to keep there info from being shared. I am fine with them having that. | Nov 06 10:49 |
| msb__ | On economics, we have the recent fascist/colonialist/imperialist attack that destroyed Libya as a nation and murdered its leader. | Nov 06 10:49 |
| oiaohm | I will just go and support someone else who will willing share with me. | Nov 06 10:49 |
| oiaohm | Reason why I like creative commons stuff so much. | Nov 06 10:49 |
| msb__ | _Because_ it had the highest standard of living in Africa, and the most democracy. | Nov 06 10:49 |
| oiaohm | Really I would not say too much about libya yet | Nov 06 10:50 |
| oiaohm | The have not had open ellections yet. | Nov 06 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Of course I am crossing fingers everything there turns out OK. | Nov 06 10:50 |
| msb__ | They never will. The NATO puppet govt would surely lose. | Nov 06 10:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/28/smartphones_can_now_do_everything/ | Nov 06 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Safe as Windows: Smartphones' security nightmare • The Register .::. Size~: 30.29 KB | Nov 06 10:51 |
| msb__ | The US and other fascist nations were behind the massive bombing and the fake "rebellion". | Nov 06 10:51 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Really rebellion was not fake. | Nov 06 10:52 |
| msb__ | Qadaffi was helping to organize the African nations against colonialism. | Nov 06 10:52 |
| oiaohm | Again not exactly true. | Nov 06 10:52 |
| iophk | Found one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1PO7nyyLn0 | Nov 06 10:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Andy Rooney on Bill Gates - YouTube .::. Size~: 91.85 KB | Nov 06 10:52 |
| oiaohm | Qadaffi was funding mercerys without country bindings. | Nov 06 10:53 |
| msb__ | "Rebels" were supported by US and other fascist/colonialist nations. | Nov 06 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Really not true either. | Nov 06 10:53 |
| oiaohm | How do you know a goverment has done really the wrong thing. | Nov 06 10:54 |
| msb__ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek | Nov 06 10:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Libya Truth (DnB Soundtrack) - YouTube .::. Size~: 116.05 KB | Nov 06 10:54 |
| oiaohm | When lots of the population are leaving the area unarmed asking for protection. | Nov 06 10:54 |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SU9qUAkSg | Nov 06 10:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Libya and Imperialism: Dan Glazebrook, Lizzie Phelan, Harpal Brar (EN, FR, PT) - YouTube .::. Size~: 96.66 KB | Nov 06 10:54 |
| msb__ | NATO bombing will do that. | Nov 06 10:55 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough msb__ I have a simple question. How did the USA know exactly how many tanks Qadaffi had. | Nov 06 10:55 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Please watch those videos. | Nov 06 10:55 |
| oiaohm | The USA supplied them. | Nov 06 10:55 |
| oiaohm | USA just took back exactly what it gave with Nato strikes. msb__ | Nov 06 10:56 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Please watch those videos. | Nov 06 10:56 |
| oiaohm | I expect this to be normal messed up information. Network connection a little slow at the momement. | Nov 06 11:00 |
| oiaohm | msb__: you are aware the arms embargo is still in place with libia. So since the main fighting is over no new ammo supplies or guns are entering. | Nov 06 11:01 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Really have you read the stuff about stalin. | Nov 06 11:03 |
| oiaohm | The positive spin version. | Nov 06 11:03 |
| msb__ | The imperialist takeover is complete. The fascist nations will have their military bases in Libya again, and the oil profits will go to wealthy corporations and businessmen instead of to the Libyan people. There will be a totally corrupt puppet government instead of the participatory democracy that Qaddafi had. | Nov 06 11:04 |
| msb__ | Serbia was destroyed in a similar way for similar reasons, by the same fascist psychopaths. | Nov 06 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Problem here there is one right the people of libia did not have. | Nov 06 11:06 |
| oiaohm | The right to a fair and unbias trial for crimes. msb__ | Nov 06 11:06 |
| oiaohm | People in Cuba and China both have that right msb__ | Nov 06 11:07 |
| msb__ | They will have that far less now. Especially the 30,000 that were recently murdered by NATO and its "rebels". | Nov 06 11:07 |
| msb__ | A lot more democracy in Cuba than in China, I think. | Nov 06 11:07 |
| oiaohm | There is a reason why the arms embargo is still in place msb__ | Nov 06 11:07 |
| oiaohm | China you do have a legal right to a fair trial. | Nov 06 11:08 |
| MinceR | depends on which China. | Nov 06 11:08 |
| msb__ | So the people can't fight back. | Nov 06 11:08 |
| oiaohm | You don't have the right to vote anyone in. | Nov 06 11:08 |
| MinceR | i'm pretty sure there's more democracy in RoC than in Cuba. :> | Nov 06 11:08 |
| msb__ | You can't tell just from the laws and the nominal political structure. | Nov 06 11:09 |
| oiaohm | msb__: to be correct the punshment for a China offical doing a trial in a bias way. Is 1 strip of all rights. Two 15 years in jail then finally execution. | Nov 06 11:09 |
| oiaohm | Worst execution by vote of the people. | Nov 06 11:09 |
| oiaohm | So yes they can vote to rip you limb from limb and be allowed. | Nov 06 11:09 |
| oiaohm | China there are fair trials. | Nov 06 11:10 |
| oiaohm | No one is game todo anything else. | Nov 06 11:10 |
| oiaohm | Please note that law is old china law first documented 2000 BC | Nov 06 11:10 |
| msb__ | In the US, both parties are bought and paid for by the ultra-wealthy. So the candidates selected by the parties and offered to the voters never serve the people's interest. | Nov 06 11:10 |
| oiaohm | So the complete population know that law and will enforce it. | Nov 06 11:11 |
| oiaohm | Also hong kong still has ellections for all posts. msb__ | Nov 06 11:12 |
| oiaohm | So china it is part where. | Nov 06 11:12 |
| oiaohm | Yes the ultra-wealthy buying way out of trouble does not happen in china. | Nov 06 11:13 |
| oiaohm | You can infact buy your way into trouble in china. | Nov 06 11:13 |
| msb__ | When I compared Cuba and China I meant "P"RC. | Nov 06 11:13 |
| oiaohm | I am not kidding about buy way into trouble in the PRC. | Nov 06 11:13 |
| oiaohm | One Australian business man ended up facing a possible death sentence for bribing an offical in china. | Nov 06 11:14 |
| msb__ | Which China? | Nov 06 11:14 |
| oiaohm | PRC | Nov 06 11:14 |
| oiaohm | Yes in PRC a bribe get caught doing it as a Chinnese person it is death. | Nov 06 11:15 |
| msb__ | Aren't workers locked into plants for 16hrs/day in PRC? | Nov 06 11:15 |
| oiaohm | As a forin national You can be forbin from return to china. | Nov 06 11:15 |
| oiaohm | China locking people in plants for 16 hrs/day will see you dead. | Nov 06 11:16 |
| MinceR | i suspected you meant PRC, in which case i don't see much point to the comparison -- then it's just one totalitarian dictatorship vs. another | Nov 06 11:16 |
| oiaohm | The max in China is 14 hours a day. MinceR | Nov 06 11:16 |
| oiaohm | msb__: | Nov 06 11:16 |
| msb__ | Oh, well that's ok then. | Nov 06 11:17 |
| oiaohm | But that has the requirement of full medical and food. | Nov 06 11:17 |
| oiaohm | And failure to pay wages is also death. msb__ | Nov 06 11:17 |
| MinceR | (also, fully communist one vs. one that's communist in most places except for the few zones where it has a functioning economy) | Nov 06 11:17 |
| oiaohm | Lets just say china has some of the most capital offencese on earth. | Nov 06 11:17 |
| msb__ | Such as for being in a disapproved religious group? | Nov 06 11:18 |
| oiaohm | No you cannot be killed for being part of a religious group PRC hates. | Nov 06 11:18 |
| oiaohm | They have to re educate you. | Nov 06 11:19 |
| oiaohm | They are not allowed to kill you for decenting views. But they are allowed to keep you contained for your own safety. | Nov 06 11:19 |
| msb__ | Let me be sure I understand this: oiaohm and MinceR, you both like the government and economic system of Communist China? | Nov 06 11:19 |
| oiaohm | Some of PRC laws I like. | Nov 06 11:19 |
| MinceR | msb__: i don't | Nov 06 11:20 |
| oiaohm | Like not paying workers equals boss dead. | Nov 06 11:20 |
| oiaohm | Or otherwise badly punished. | Nov 06 11:20 |
| oiaohm | But there untollerence for decenting views I do find a little strange. | Nov 06 11:20 |
| oiaohm | Yes just because someone is in hong kong they can almost say what every they like. | Nov 06 11:21 |
| msb__ | But is there a law for the minimum fraction of the profits that must be paid as wages? | Nov 06 11:21 |
| oiaohm | Yet leave hong kong they end up in a retraining camp. | Nov 06 11:21 |
| oiaohm | msb__: There is a minimum wage in china that must be paid. But its more complex than ours. | Nov 06 11:24 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_in_China_%28PRC%29 | Nov 06 11:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: List of minimum wages in People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 26.71 KB | Nov 06 11:24 |
| oiaohm | Yes the min wage is set on the cost of living in that area of china. msb__ | Nov 06 11:24 |
| msb__ | I will let you two debate the virtues of Communist China, while I observe in amazement. | Nov 06 11:24 |
| oiaohm | The more expensive it is to live in a area the more money you min wage is. | Nov 06 11:25 |
| msb__ | But no max profit of the business owner? | Nov 06 11:25 |
| MinceR | msb__: what supposed "virtues" did i mention? | Nov 06 11:26 |
| msb__ | MinceR: But you are not beating on oiaohm the way you did on me when I approved of Nicaraguan socialism. Or was that schestowitz? | Nov 06 11:28 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Funny enough it legal to hold stop work meetings in china if you believe you are being under paid. | Nov 06 11:28 |
| oiaohm | msb__: without no punishment from the goverment for doing so and the boss cannot fire or replace you for doing so either. | Nov 06 11:28 |
| oiaohm | China has some very interesting work place releation laws to say the least msb__ | Nov 06 11:29 |
| oiaohm | Not everything about china system is bad. | Nov 06 11:29 |
| oiaohm | Ok china allowance for workers to sign away work place health and safety for higher pay packet is not what I call good. msb__ | Nov 06 11:30 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Checked the log. That was you disapproving of Nicaragua socialism. So why are you so quiet now? Do you like "P"RC communism better? | Nov 06 11:31 |
| oiaohm | msb__: PRC communism is not pure. | Nov 06 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Its mixure of stacks of older non communism things. | Nov 06 11:31 |
| MinceR | msb__: i've already told you i disapprove of communism. i've also told you why | Nov 06 11:31 |
| MinceR | (both practical implementations and the idea) | Nov 06 11:32 |
| oiaohm | Like the right not to kill decenting people is a old law of china. msb__ | Nov 06 11:32 |
| oiaohm | Going back to when china had kings. | Nov 06 11:32 |
| MinceR | msb__: also, i'm not particularly interested in the way PRC pretends to care for their slaves. | Nov 06 11:32 |
| msb__ | I also disapprove of communism. | Nov 06 11:32 |
| oiaohm | Please not the stuff that interst me most in the PRC laws is from pre communism. msb__ | Nov 06 11:33 |
| oiaohm | China had laws for a very very long time. | Nov 06 11:33 |
| oiaohm | Think about it a place that some of the oldest laws data from 4000 BC msb__ | Nov 06 11:34 |
| oiaohm | Before most of the places we would be from would have even thought of the idea of law. | Nov 06 11:35 |
| msb__ | Human rights groups report that Falun Gong practitioners in China are subject to a wide range of human rights abuses; hundreds of thousands are believed to have been imprisoned extra-judicially, and practitioners in detention are subject to forced labor, psychiatric abuse, severe torture, and other coercive methods of thought reform at the hands of Chinese authorities. | Nov 06 11:36 |
| msb__ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong | Nov 06 11:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Falun Gong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 244.84 KB | Nov 06 11:36 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Yes that is what china calls reeducation. | Nov 06 11:37 |
| oiaohm | Not a good process. | Nov 06 11:37 |
| oiaohm | Don't kill you. | Nov 06 11:37 |
| oiaohm | But you might end up wishing they did. | Nov 06 11:37 |
| msb__ | Severe torture. Same as US, same as Israel. | Nov 06 11:39 |
| msb__ | The unmistakeable sign of the psychopath in charge of the government. | Nov 06 11:40 |
| oiaohm | Reeducation define of Severe Torture is different to the USA. | Nov 06 11:40 |
| oiaohm | Ie no water boarding. | Nov 06 11:40 |
| msb__ | US sends prisoners to other countries to be, e.g., slowly boiled alive. | Nov 06 11:40 |
| oiaohm | No boiling alive either. | Nov 06 11:40 |
| MinceR | don't you mean they don't think waterboarding is torture? :> | Nov 06 11:41 |
| oiaohm | Any torture process that might kill or leave long term harm is not allowed in the china system. | Nov 06 11:41 |
| oiaohm | So that drop of water dropping repeated on you head to get you to change mind is legal. | Nov 06 11:41 |
| MinceR | which torture process might not leave long term psychological harm? | Nov 06 11:41 |
| oiaohm | More correct long term physical harm or lowing of IQ. | Nov 06 11:42 |
| msb__ | And which "re-education" process? | Nov 06 11:42 |
| oiaohm | msb__: basically US and Isreal have more options for torture because if they kill them opps. | Nov 06 11:42 |
| oiaohm | China system opps kill them the one doing the torture is now dead. | Nov 06 11:43 |
| oiaohm | Like breaking of bones is not allowed in the china system either. | Nov 06 11:43 |
| oiaohm | Of course does don't mean the china torture is going to be a walk in the park. | Nov 06 11:44 |
| msb__ | I think this is the weirdest conversation I've ever seen in techrights! | Nov 06 11:44 |
| oiaohm | Re-education in china is using any means without doing them physical or IQ harm to change there mind. Since china wants them back as productive people. | Nov 06 11:45 |
| msb__ | How about screwing giant wood screws into the prisoner's eyeballs? I'll bet wonderful PRC forbids that too. Praise be! | Nov 06 11:46 |
| oiaohm | Yep that is forbin. | Nov 06 11:46 |
| oiaohm | Because a blind person is expensive to take careoff as well. | Nov 06 11:46 |
| oiaohm | You really don't know torture that well. | Nov 06 11:46 |
| msb__ | How about railroad spikes into the brain? | Nov 06 11:47 |
| oiaohm | You are aware that the correct electromagic freq can turn on every single pain cell in your complete body. | Nov 06 11:47 |
| oiaohm | Without doing your body any damage. | Nov 06 11:47 |
| MinceR | translation: PRC wants to turn them into obedient slaves, not corpses | Nov 06 11:47 |
| MinceR | so much better! | Nov 06 11:47 |
| msb__ | But not into the brain areas that would prevent them from following work orders. | Nov 06 11:47 |
| oiaohm | Railroad spikes to brain might kill the subject. | Nov 06 11:48 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: it might screw up your central nervous system though. | Nov 06 11:48 |
| msb__ | See, MinceR, I knew we could be pals on something! | Nov 06 11:48 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 06 11:48 |
| oiaohm | The massive pain will cause you to black out. | Nov 06 11:48 |
| oiaohm | But no long term damage as long as the level is keept low. MinceR | Nov 06 11:48 |
| MinceR | it might also cause you to be insensitive to pain on the long term. or worse. | Nov 06 11:48 |
| oiaohm | A solider than cannot feel pain. | Nov 06 11:49 |
| MinceR | i didn't catch the "level is kept low" part in "massive pain" | Nov 06 11:49 |
| oiaohm | Is that always a bady. | Nov 06 11:49 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: that's a soldier who will accidentally mutilate himself. | Nov 06 11:49 |
| oiaohm | The magnetic field power low will not damage human. | Nov 06 11:49 |
| MinceR | really, being unable to feel pain is _not_ a good condition. | Nov 06 11:49 |
| msb__ | That's bad. Soldiers are only supposed to mutilate "the enemy". | Nov 06 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Repeated exposure may increase tollerence to pain. msb__ | Nov 06 11:50 |
| oiaohm | But it does not make the pain sensors non functional MinceR | Nov 06 11:50 |
| oiaohm | So solider you kick in nuts and he laughs basically but still knows you did kick in nuts enough todo damage. | Nov 06 11:51 |
| oiaohm | Really is no different to what shallon monks in china do to themselves anyhow MinceR | Nov 06 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Remember we are talking the population of china class of normal. | Nov 06 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Have a poor felling of pain is normal. | Nov 06 11:52 |
| oiaohm | msb__: basically china ways of creating pain are far more creative. | Nov 06 11:54 |
| msb__ | Let's hear it for creativity in torture methods! | Nov 06 11:54 |
| oiaohm | At least when people do get out of china torture and get away they still can walk and otherwise function. | Nov 06 11:55 |
| oiaohm | And if the system was stop some time in future the people are still alive to be freed. | Nov 06 11:56 |
| msb__ | And they love Big Brother! | Nov 06 11:56 |
| oiaohm | Really there are asian countries near china that a lot of people mix up on. | Nov 06 11:57 |
| oiaohm | worse they are meant to be democaries. | Nov 06 11:57 |
| msb__ | However, since they believe that 2+2=5, they are not able to do accounting work. | Nov 06 11:57 |
| oiaohm | And some of those countries have the ones of people being physically bound to there work areas. msb__ | Nov 06 11:58 |
| oiaohm | and some cases not being feed proper food either. | Nov 06 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Yes even that the re-education people are being touchered in nasty ways they are still proper feed. | Nov 06 11:58 |
| msb__ | That's important when the time comes to cut them up and sell their organs. | Nov 06 11:59 |
| oiaohm | That is one of the interesting things in china. | Nov 06 12:00 |
| oiaohm | It don't happen. | Nov 06 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Doctors does not like the punishment for it. | Nov 06 12:00 |
| oiaohm | You get caught cutting up someone and selling there organs. You will be cut up alive and without pain killers of any form. | Nov 06 12:01 |
| oiaohm | Basically you have a higher risk in most westen countries of being cut up for organs than in china. | Nov 06 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Of course this is not true for some of the near by countries. | Nov 06 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Can you see what I am getting about with china there are more ways to be legally killed than any other country. msb__ | Nov 06 12:03 |
| oiaohm | Funny part is very few people are legally killed per year compared to the USA. | Nov 06 12:03 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: it's enough if your central nervous system disregards pain signals as noise | Nov 06 12:04 |
| MinceR | 131251 < msb__> However, since they believe that 2+2=5, they are not able to do accounting work. | Nov 06 12:05 |
| MinceR | they could still do accounting in a communist state :> | Nov 06 12:05 |
| msb__ | That would work! | Nov 06 12:05 |
| MinceR | they could direct a planned economy. nobody would notice the difference. | Nov 06 12:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The problem with #Anonymous - http://bit.ly/sI1Tr4 timely thoughts on the people behind *that* mask #guyfawkes #ows | Nov 06 12:05 | |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: shaolin monks do that to themselves as part of there training. So that constian pain is only paid attention to. | Nov 06 12:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Ie pulse right freq worst damage you end up just like a Shaolin monk that the china class as normal. | Nov 06 12:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: but it takes years for the brain to learn to disreguard. | Nov 06 12:06 |
| oiaohm | msb__: by the way bad accounting numbers can also equal death in china. | Nov 06 12:07 |
| oiaohm | msb__: ie 2+2+5 in books could equal attempting to cook books so dead. | Nov 06 12:07 |
| oiaohm | Opps 2+2=5 | Nov 06 12:08 |
| oiaohm | Yes I really wonder how long heads of USA business would last if they had to operate by china laws of business for a while. | Nov 06 12:08 |
| oiaohm | A cases like enron or the recent ninga loans in china you would have seen the executioners very busy. | Nov 06 12:10 |
| msb__ | So how did all that melamine get into food exports from China, and the ethylene glycol mixed into the glycerine that killed thousands of children? | Nov 06 12:10 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Little nasty fact about china law. | Nov 06 12:11 |
| msb__ | Do tell. | Nov 06 12:11 |
| oiaohm | I export I kill oversea people I am guilt of nothing. | Nov 06 12:11 |
| msb__ | !!!!!!! | Nov 06 12:12 |
| oiaohm | The cases of melamine and glycerine harming people inside china saw a few people facing death row. | Nov 06 12:12 |
| oiaohm | The exported cases by china law no one was gulity. | Nov 06 12:13 |
| oiaohm | Countries importing from china should be aware of this. So should do heavy quality control on what they get. | Nov 06 12:14 |
| oiaohm | msb__: any particular reason why the law is oddly this way. | Nov 06 12:14 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough a cannon ball is a export when it fired from a cannon to another ship. msb__ | Nov 06 12:15 |
| msb__ | Maybe Chinese law is based on the Talmud. | Nov 06 12:15 |
| oiaohm | This is a oddity of Zen. msb__ | Nov 06 12:16 |
| msb__ | What? Where is the connection with Zen? | Nov 06 12:17 |
| oiaohm | China was ruled by Zen Buddists at one time. msb__ | Nov 06 12:17 |
| oiaohm | There are still some very strange sections in there laws because of it. | Nov 06 12:18 |
| msb__ | Did Zen Buddhists say it's ok to kill anyone who isn't Chinese? | Nov 06 12:18 |
| oiaohm | No | Nov 06 12:18 |
| oiaohm | But importer is responsable to check quality of goods. | Nov 06 12:18 |
| oiaohm | Not exporter. | Nov 06 12:19 |
| msb__ | So it's ok for exporter to lie, cheat and kill if he can get away with it? | Nov 06 12:19 |
| oiaohm | As long as it not breach of agreement yep. | Nov 06 12:19 |
| oiaohm | Ie if you forgot to put in agreement that product has to be free of comtamination that is your problem as the importer. | Nov 06 12:20 |
| msb__ | And if exporter forgets to put into agreement that if importer is in a bad mood he cannot blow exporter's brains out, then too bad for him? | Nov 06 12:22 |
| oiaohm | No that would be direct volicence | Nov 06 12:22 |
| msb__ | But lethal poisoning is OK? | Nov 06 12:23 |
| oiaohm | Because you should check if food is poisoned or other ways bad. | Nov 06 12:23 |
| oiaohm | So you have a fair chance of not killing yourself. | Nov 06 12:23 |
| msb__ | I swear this is the best IRC channel. Now I am learning contract law! | Nov 06 12:23 |
| msb__ | But many poisons are undetectible, likewise deadly viruses. | Nov 06 12:24 |
| oiaohm | There is part Zen ethics here. If you know the other party cannot detect it you have to tell them. | Nov 06 12:25 |
| oiaohm | Or offer to provide the gear to test for it. | Nov 06 12:25 |
| msb__ | So is buyer expected to run every test for poison known to man? | Nov 06 12:25 |
| oiaohm | And not tell them why you offering the gear. | Nov 06 12:25 |
| oiaohm | Basically yep. msb__ | Nov 06 12:26 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Come on, you _have_ to be making this stuff up! | Nov 06 12:26 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i doubt shaolin monks get constant pain in every part of their body | Nov 06 12:27 |
| oiaohm | Now if you wrote in your contract the item had to be provided free of contamination. | Nov 06 12:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Winter cold triggered they live without heating. | Nov 06 12:27 |
| MinceR | if winter cold triggered that in their core, they were already dead. | Nov 06 12:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: If you stay in cold for long enough you pain sensors turn on. | Nov 06 12:28 |
| MinceR | in your heart? | Nov 06 12:28 |
| oiaohm | Even in heart. Of course we are talking a week of exposure +. | Nov 06 12:29 |
| oiaohm | Of course not cold enough to cause frost bite or other bad problems. | Nov 06 12:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically don't pick a fight with a proper born and raised shaolin monk. | Nov 06 12:30 |
| MinceR | well, i'm no martial artist | Nov 06 12:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: they also thicken there skin by hitting it to trigger it to grow thicker as well. | Nov 06 12:31 |
| msb__ | I must go now and sit and meditate on how thankful I am not to live in the PRC. Back in a few. | Nov 06 12:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: human body is design to discourage us staying in the cold. | Nov 06 12:33 |
| oiaohm | Of course lack of cold tollerance is a disadvantage if you are staking someone out. | Nov 06 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | \0/ | Nov 06 12:56 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @leonelnc: Confirmado bye bye mono. YES !! \o/ wooohoo http://t.co/vF1XqS10 | Nov 06 13:01 |
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| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Do you have to put up with it where you are? | Nov 06 15:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | I live in the US. | Nov 06 15:49 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Some of US has DST... | Nov 06 15:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | pretty sure all of it does except for like some county in indiana | Nov 06 15:50 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Fun | Nov 06 15:51 |
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| riddic-ArmBox | XFaCE: I wouldn't mind DST so much if the US hadn't broken sync with the rest of the world | Nov 06 17:41 |
| riddic-ArmBox | thanks to that my oncall shift went from 5am to 5pm last week ... :/ | Nov 06 17:41 |
| schestowitz | "Counterpoint: what will be left of the desktop market in general in five years? Mobile devices seem to be the foreseeable future of computing. Canonical can't rely on enterprise or gamers like Microsoft can for their desktop market. I agree with the article that it's probably too late, and that it threatens to splinter the core product and waste resources, but at this point, it may be a risk they'll have to take." | Nov 06 17:51 |
| schestowitz | http://joindiaspora.com/posts/752173 | Nov 06 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | riddic-ArmBox: yeah | Nov 06 17:51 |
| schestowitz | gets dark here around 5 now | Nov 06 17:51 |
| schestowitz | and the morning has more light hours, which isn't helping if you sleep till late | Nov 06 17:51 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/742905 | Nov 06 17:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 06 17:52 |
| schestowitz | If individuals could still contribute, those who own or run the corporations could still donate in their personal capacity. | Nov 06 17:52 |
| schestowitz | What is needed is state funding of political parties in proportion to the number of seats they hold (and election expenses in proportion to the number of seats they are contesting). Or better still, abolition of political parties so that citizens voted on the policies and track record of the person they are voting for. | Nov 06 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | Hi all | Nov 06 18:02 |
| Ziomatrix | what's up | Nov 06 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Sky and Rupert | Nov 06 18:04 |
| Ziomatrix | News Corp is still imploding in the UK? I think they swept in under the rug quite well stateside. | Nov 06 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Saved by the "looting" | Nov 06 18:09 |
| schestowitz | It got Rupert off the media radar when it was the #1 issue in the news | Nov 06 18:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Damn! Amazon's had a pretty good security rep up till now ~ via +Jack Schofield on Twitter http://goo.gl/FsYtX http://w... http://b1t.it/QDT | Nov 06 18:09 | |
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| Ziomatrix | Ubuntu latest packaged distro can no longer fit on a CD. What's your opinion on M$, Linux, Mac cross platform software? | Nov 06 18:17 |
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| Ziomatrix | potential legal issues aside if it's written in a more open language. | Nov 06 18:18 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: can you repost those links from before? | Nov 06 18:19 |
| schestowitz | which ones specifically? I don't quite follow... | Nov 06 18:20 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: my client closed before and I was wondering if you posted any news concerning Murdoch? | Nov 06 18:27 |
| schestowitz | I haven't recently | Nov 06 18:28 |
| schestowitz | It's also outside the scope we focus on | Nov 06 18:28 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about him today.. but i's still a draft | Nov 06 18:28 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: It's great to know one of the most popular desktop distros finally removed Mono. | Nov 06 18:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2011-11-06-001-41-OS-UB-0000 | Nov 06 18:35 |
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| iophk | That appears to be just a blog entry, is there a real article on the topic? | Nov 06 18:37 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Nov 06 18:41 |
| schestowitz | iophk: ys | Nov 06 18:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] We helped write the ch. on open data! RT @michaelmaness: 6 chapters, over 20k words for the data journalism handbook in 48 hours #mozfest | Nov 06 18:43 | |
| iophk | One written since the decision to dump the garbage Mono? | Nov 06 18:44 |
| iophk | The one linked to from the blog comment is from before the decision. | Nov 06 18:44 |
| schestowitz | I put some links up | Nov 06 18:45 |
| schestowitz | the one about triumph over mono | Nov 06 18:46 |
| schestowitz | omgubuntu covered it | Nov 06 18:46 |
| schestowitz | the site's founder, joey | Nov 06 18:46 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Linux Today linked to the one about how Ubuntu may drop Mono/Banshee | Nov 06 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: the first one | Nov 06 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: from the 4th or whatever | Nov 06 18:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] There is always a bigger fish (???) http://ur1.ca/5o1g1 | Nov 06 18:49 | |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, they missed the one that confirms it | Nov 06 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yep | Nov 06 18:51 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr1R_2GeuAA | Nov 06 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | I saw it got into their front page through some twitter alert | Nov 06 18:51 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: thanks | Nov 06 18:52 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Err, for the video link? | Nov 06 18:52 |
| schestowitz | bookmarked for l8er | Nov 06 18:52 |
| XFaCE | k | Nov 06 18:54 |
| XFaCE | how's it going today? | Nov 06 18:54 |
| schestowitz | It's alright | Nov 06 18:55 |
| schestowitz | spent a lot of my morning chatting to someone | Nov 06 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Then was out in the sun afternoon | Nov 06 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Now I need to sort some LDAP stuff out, do some research, check contracting stuff... | Nov 06 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Not exciting though | Nov 06 18:56 |
| schestowitz | I have blog posts for tomorrow | Nov 06 18:56 |
| XFaCE | Sunny there too, huh? | Nov 06 18:57 |
| XFaCE | Good weather here | Nov 06 18:58 |
| sebsebseb | XFaCE: schestowitz cold here | Nov 06 18:58 |
| schestowitz | yes, but.. | Nov 06 18:59 |
| schestowitz | If you have frontal exposure to the sun, it's tolerable | Nov 06 18:59 |
| schestowitz | I went to 'Salford beach' | Nov 06 18:59 |
| schestowitz | It's what they call some parts of the quays | Nov 06 18:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mediacityuk.co.uk/ | Nov 06 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Near the BBC | Nov 06 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | A very modern area http://www.mediacityuk.co.uk/images | Nov 06 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | Here you can see the 'beach' http://www.mediacityuk.co.uk/our-community/location | Nov 06 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | "The Quays already attracts millions of visitors each year. The Lowry arts centre – opened in 2000 – is Manchester’s most popular tourist attraction. The area is also home to Old Trafford (Manchester United’s Football Ground), Imperial War Museum North and Lancashire County Cricket Club." | Nov 06 19:02 |
| schestowitz | They used to have a crappy site | Nov 06 19:02 |
| schestowitz | This one seems to be a revised one | Nov 06 19:03 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] !tzag Evening !Identiverse | Nov 06 19:20 | |
| DaemonFC | I was playing around with the new GNOME Shell | Nov 06 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora seems to be packing in more extensions for people who want multitasking oriented desktops as opposed to application-oriented | Nov 06 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | they don't always work well though | Nov 06 19:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] I love Sundays: it's when I declare weekly blog bankruptcy, and blat the thousands of posts I've failed to read...so that I can start again | Nov 06 19:26 | |
| DaemonFC | OMG Mono blocked me from commenting | Nov 06 19:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Atlas Shrugged Part 1 (Full Movie) - YouTube - #movies vi@iangeldard http://ur1.ca/5o22u | Nov 06 19:40 | |
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| DaemonFC | They don't seem to quite grasp how disqus works | Nov 06 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 06 19:42 |
| azalyn | i hate disqus. | Nov 06 19:47 |
| azalyn | i use noscript, and it's a pain in the ass to enable scripting just for viewing comments. | Nov 06 19:47 |
| azalyn | i really miss the era of websites that 'broke gracefully' when javascript is disabled. | Nov 06 19:48 |
| azalyn | with fallbacks and what not. | Nov 06 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | apparently when you say anything bad about Mono, you get blocked | Nov 06 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | but they don't seem to be able to remove any comments you already made | Nov 06 19:48 |
| iophk | DaemonFC: which forum blocks? | Nov 06 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | OMG Ubuntu | Nov 06 19:49 |
| iophk | Ah. Mono guard there too | Nov 06 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't use swearing, I didn't use any personal attacks | Nov 06 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | I just stated that Mono was huge, infringed on patents, and was a liability | Nov 06 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | and next thing you know, "You have been blocked from commenting on this site" | Nov 06 19:50 |
| schestowitz | you devil you! | Nov 06 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I will launch a personal attack now | Nov 06 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | OMG Ubuntu is staffed by a bunch of mono-loving big blubbering vaginas | Nov 06 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 06 19:51 |
| iophk | It's also a bad imitation of Java. | Nov 06 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | They posted a new article on how Banshee can play DVDs | Nov 06 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | which isn't new | Nov 06 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | I tried Banshee when it got video support in 2008 | Nov 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | who did? | Nov 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | David? | Nov 06 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | and played a DVD with is | Nov 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | He's part of their team | Nov 06 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | Joey | Nov 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | !google banshee omgubuntu | Nov 06 19:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - OMG! Ubuntu!banshee | OMG! Ubuntu! | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/tag/banshee/ | Nov 06 19:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - OMG! Ubuntu! | Everything Ubuntu. Daily. | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/ | Nov 06 19:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Banshee 1.9.0 released - OMG! Ubuntu! | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/banshee-1-9-0-released/ | Nov 06 19:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Banshee becomes Ubuntu 11.04 default music player - OMG! Ubuntu! | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/10/banshee-becomes-ubuntu-11-04-default-music-player/ | Nov 06 19:53 |
| azalyn | DaemonFC: that's sexist. | Nov 06 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, this article was from today | Nov 06 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | suggesting it's a new feature | Nov 06 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/banshee-adds-dvd-playback/ | Nov 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | azalyn: it is, but DaemonFC isn't pc | Nov 06 19:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Banshee Adds DVD Playback .::. Size~: 33.38 KB | Nov 06 19:53 |
| azalyn | you can diss them if you want, but you don't have to hate women in the process. | Nov 06 19:54 |
| *schestowitz nods | Nov 06 19:54 | |
| azalyn | schestowitz: i'm not 'pc' either. | Nov 06 19:54 |
| schestowitz | azalyn: DaemonFC is gay, so he likes making fun of female anatomy | Nov 06 19:54 |
| azalyn | i'm bi. | Nov 06 19:54 |
| schestowitz | np | Nov 06 19:54 |
| azalyn | being gay doesn't mean you have to be a jerk. ;P | Nov 06 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3 also uses such language | Nov 06 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | Joey Sneddon is a Dawn by proxy | Nov 06 19:55 |
| schestowitz | in the past we had a bot autoban peole who use swear words | Nov 06 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | he'll hop into bed with anything that gets near Ubuntu | Nov 06 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | and shave its back | Nov 06 19:55 |
| schestowitz | but we disabled it | Nov 06 19:55 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: tackle his argument, don't insult him | Nov 06 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Joey is actually OK | Nov 06 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | being polite gets you banned | Nov 06 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Compared to others from that site | Nov 06 19:56 |
| azalyn | the oracle v google thing regarding java shows that we probably shouldn't trust java either. | Nov 06 19:56 |
| azalyn | i think all these 'frameworks' are more trouble than they are worth. | Nov 06 19:56 |
| schestowitz | python is also a bit of a framework | Nov 06 19:56 |
| schestowitz | we need more machine code | Nov 06 19:57 |
| schestowitz | octave is also a framework | Nov 06 19:57 |
| azalyn | i like the vala/genie approach. just use a preprocessor. you still get a nice more user friendly language.. but it's compiled, and implemented on top of C | Nov 06 19:57 |
| azalyn | (and glib) | Nov 06 19:57 |
| azalyn | i don't really like python much either.. it's been slow for me.. over the years. all of these managed code languages, and interpreters, seem to always screw with my memory usage. | Nov 06 19:58 |
| azalyn | so do the javascript VMs in browsers. which is why i like using noscript. | Nov 06 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | "GTK+ 3, GTK+ 2, GTK# 2, QT4. Then there's the libnux crap. They're trying not to default to having useful applications like Cheese because that would bring in all of Clutter which GNOME Shell is based on but Unity is not." <snip> -me | Nov 06 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | on Ubuntu | Nov 06 20:00 |
| azalyn | i've started to suspect recently that maybe i have some kind of motherboard bug or something.. because my laptop doesn't seem to exhibit the same slowdown problems... | Nov 06 20:00 |
| azalyn | even so, only garbage collected languages seem to screw up on my main PC. anything written in C or another compiled language performs better. | Nov 06 20:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @wikileaks2 why, of course! assassinating one of the minions is no big deal, it's getting at the masterminds that hurts | Nov 06 20:01 | |
| amarsh04 | azalyn - it could be cache or memory controller constraints when lots of memory has to be addressed in a short space of time | Nov 06 20:03 |
| amarsh04 | I prefer compiled code. This machine is stuck on an old version of python because a library for a program I use stopped working for me with later releases | Nov 06 20:04 |
| amarsh04 | python doesn't handle versioning of libraries so well | Nov 06 20:05 |
| azalyn | i don't think it's just that... i think something is defective. because it's just kind of broken.. | Nov 06 20:06 |
| azalyn | both my laptop and desktop use AMD cpu's from around the same era.. they're both AMD64, based on the same microarchitecture. | Nov 06 20:07 |
| azalyn | and yet the laptop doesn't have the issue. | Nov 06 20:07 |
| azalyn | memory controller is integrated into the cpu.. so unless the desktop cpu is defective, not sure what could be the issue. | Nov 06 20:07 |
| azalyn | when i run memtest, i don't get any errors or problems. | Nov 06 20:07 |
| amarsh04 | oh, ok... | Nov 06 20:08 |
| azalyn | the only symptom is that when i have a lot of tabs open in the browser on the desktop machine, and/or lots of python apps, or java apps... everything just gets really slow, and the mouse starts lagging and such. | Nov 06 20:08 |
| azalyn | and of course, enabling javascript in the browser worsens the issue a lot. so it really seems to be specific to applications that have garbage collection of some sort.. | Nov 06 20:10 |
| azalyn | that seems to be the only common indicator. and yet my laptop is immune. i have less memory on this laptop, and yet it runs surprisingly well, and is consistently responsive. | Nov 06 20:10 |
| amarsh04 | you haven't tried re-creating the swap space for the desktop machine? | Nov 06 20:11 |
| azalyn | i used to think it was proprietary nvidia drivers back in the day.. but this laptop is using them, and like i said, it's fine here. | Nov 06 20:12 |
| azalyn | amarsh04: i've reinstalled the desktop several times.. this problem has been present across three different installs. | Nov 06 20:12 |
| azalyn | the last time i tried just eliminating swap entirely. since i figured swap was causing it.. | Nov 06 20:12 |
| amarsh04 | oh, ok... | Nov 06 20:12 |
| azalyn | on my most recent install, i have swap again now. | Nov 06 20:13 |
| azalyn | i did discover that my desktop nvidia card had defective vram. and i thought that was the cause. but now i've since switched to a radeon 4850... and the issue still haunts me.. | Nov 06 20:14 |
| azalyn | it could be a coincidence.. perhaps the ati drivers just suck at managing video memory.. and the nvidia drivers only broke because of my bad vram.. | Nov 06 20:16 |
| azalyn | but that would be an extraordinary coincidence.. to have the same symptoms caused by two different problems on different video cards. | Nov 06 20:16 |
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| azalyn | i'm going to try switching to opensource radeon drivers soon. to see if that improves things.. | Nov 06 20:17 |
| amarsh04 | I've only run the open source radeon drivers | Nov 06 20:18 |
| amarsh04 | good support in #radeon | Nov 06 20:18 |
| azalyn | i have a gaming machine now, with a radeon hd 6950. | Nov 06 20:20 |
| azalyn | so i've been thinking it would be a good idea to start using opensource drivers on my desktop. | Nov 06 20:20 |
| azalyn | i also have another motherboard. i could try switching boards. i'm worried the other motherboard may not have AMD-V support though.. hopefully i'm wrong. | Nov 06 20:20 |
| azalyn | it's a pretty crappy board, but it does support everything i need. | Nov 06 20:21 |
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| azalyn | well.. assuming it has amd-v. | Nov 06 20:22 |
| azalyn | switching motherboards is a pain in the ass as you know. so it would be lots of trouble to go through only to find out that it doesn't support it. | Nov 06 20:22 |
| amarsh04 | I've stayed away from doing more than switching cards, disks and ram | Nov 06 20:23 |
| amarsh04 | must go... | Nov 06 20:24 |
| schestowitz | later mate | Nov 06 20:27 |
| azalyn | ideally i wouldn't mind getting one of those fancy new 'amd fusion' desktops. | Nov 06 20:29 |
| azalyn | like the AMD A8-3800 | Nov 06 20:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Read on !Mageia blog on 22nd that #Mageia 2 is being delayed: I think it's the right thing to do so that it can be released with #Gnome 3.4! | Nov 06 20:29 | |
| Diablo-D3 | [02:56:29] <azalyn> the oracle v google thing regarding java shows that we probably shouldn't trust java either. | Nov 06 20:30 |
| sebsebseb | well at least one of those has comei n here ^ the other two didn't | Nov 06 20:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | it depends how you define java | Nov 06 20:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | oracle doesnt own java | Nov 06 20:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | sun already screwed oracle on that | Nov 06 20:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not about software licenses or patents | Nov 06 20:31 |
| azalyn | cpu is a bit weak, but slightly better than what i have, so i'd be fine with it. but the gpu in that chip is apparently one of the best integrated gpus out there. | Nov 06 20:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | its about letting people use it. | Nov 06 20:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | azalyn: btw, yes, the fusions are nice if you need a low number of chips | Nov 06 20:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | its kind of pointless in a desktop though | Nov 06 20:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | a 970 board from a reputable vendor + the slowest athlon II x2 is cheaper | Nov 06 20:32 |
| azalyn | i want low power use. | Nov 06 20:33 |
| azalyn | i like that these are 65watts. | Nov 06 20:34 |
| azalyn | or the one i mentioned. the 3800 | Nov 06 20:34 |
| azalyn | a8-3800 | Nov 06 20:34 |
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| azalyn | and now that i remember... it's actually far more powerful than my current cpu, not slightly.. since it's a quad core, and i have a dual core right now. | Nov 06 20:34 |
| schestowitz | I have a virus on my system, adobe reader | Nov 06 20:34 |
| schestowitz | How do I delete this easily and cleanly? | Nov 06 20:35 |
| schestowitz | it's slow like molasses... and okular is better | Nov 06 20:35 |
| schestowitz | all my applications use it by defauly, but plasma is doing stupid and opens PDF from folderview with reader | Nov 06 20:35 |
| schestowitz | doesn't seem to obey standard KDE file association, uses other configs | Nov 06 20:36 |
| abeNd-org | i like foxit pdf (on windows), tabbed interface | Nov 06 20:36 |
| azalyn | oh, and it's 32nm. vs my current 65nm cpu. | Nov 06 20:36 |
| schestowitz | abeNd-org: okular works on Linux and has feature parity almost | Nov 06 20:36 |
| schestowitz | reader uses ugly gtk and has tabs | Nov 06 20:36 |
| azalyn | you sure it's not motif? lulz | Nov 06 20:37 |
| schestowitz | nope, they fixed it, I think | Nov 06 20:37 |
| schestowitz | old one was bad enough | Nov 06 20:37 |
| azalyn | how did it get on the system in the first place? | Nov 06 20:37 |
| schestowitz | They they outsourced to India | Nov 06 20:37 |
| schestowitz | And it was made bloated but at least with feature parity | Nov 06 20:37 |
| azalyn | i use evince. | Nov 06 20:37 |
| schestowitz | it's good | Nov 06 20:37 |
| schestowitz | but I prefr qt | Nov 06 20:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | azalyn: the slowest athlon II x2 + a 970 is even lower power | Nov 06 20:37 |
| schestowitz | they probably share the rendering engine | Nov 06 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Sun open-soruced one, no idea if it's used muc | Nov 06 20:38 |
| schestowitz | *much | Nov 06 20:38 |
| azalyn | i usually use gtk apps, but i will use qt if there is a really good app. | Nov 06 20:38 |
| schestowitz | k3b? | Nov 06 20:38 |
| azalyn | my bittorrent client is a qt4 app. qBittorrent | Nov 06 20:38 |
| schestowitz | not ktorrent? | Nov 06 20:38 |
| schestowitz | it's the only oneI ever used... for legit stuff | Nov 06 20:38 |
| azalyn | for burning CDs, i've just been using cdrecord on the command line.. oddly enough.. for writing images it's super easy.. | Nov 06 20:38 |
| azalyn | just 'cdrecord -dao blah.iso' | Nov 06 20:39 |
| azalyn | and enter. | Nov 06 20:39 |
| schestowitz | !google cdrecord gpl | Nov 06 20:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Cdrtools - why do Linux distributions ... - Cdrtools (Cdrecord) - BerliOS | http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/linux-dist.html | Nov 06 20:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - InfraRecorder | http://infrarecorder.org/ | Nov 06 20:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - cdrtools - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cdrtools | Nov 06 20:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - cdrecord - how the distributors are responding [LWN.net] | http://lwn.net/Articles/199061/ | Nov 06 20:39 |
| azalyn | i used to use k3b sometimes.. i had it here on my laptop, but it had weird issues. | Nov 06 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | deluge > * | Nov 06 20:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Just re did 2 !Mageia #Mageia dents from Wednesday October 26th. Hopefully #Identica doesn't all of a sudden lose loads of sent dents again! | Nov 06 20:39 | |
| Diablo-D3 | and btw, schestowitz, cdrecord is dead | Nov 06 20:40 |
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| Diablo-D3 | it was replaced with wodim | Nov 06 20:40 |
| azalyn | schestowitz: i don't actually use the cdrtools package. i use cdrkit. but i still use the 'cdrecord' symlink as the command. | Nov 06 20:40 |
| azalyn | i'm just used to it. | Nov 06 20:40 |
| schestowitz | blech, ms hired Hoppe | Nov 06 20:40 |
| schestowitz | so now I ead a paper co-wrriten with him | Nov 06 20:40 |
| azalyn | i don't see why commands have to change names. that's just silly. | Nov 06 20:40 |
| azalyn | that's like saying that 'sed' should've changed it's command to something else because 'sed' is from at&t unix.. | Nov 06 20:41 |
| msb__ | azalyn: what distro, DE, brand of display card/chip are you using? | Nov 06 20:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] R» @sebsebseb: Read on #Mageia blog, 22nd #Mageia 2 being delayed: I think it's the right thing 2 do so it can be released with #Gnome 3.4 | Nov 06 20:41 | |
| azalyn | filenames are not trademarks. and i doubt they could be covered by trademark law. | Nov 06 20:41 |
| azalyn | or commands. | Nov 06 20:41 |
| schestowitz | lame | Nov 06 20:42 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 06 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | gimp | Nov 06 20:42 |
| iophk | Use wodim instead of cdrecord | Nov 06 20:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] R» @chicagonpg: Good 2 see Linux Mint #1 on Distrowatch « Been like that 4 most of last 4 months, bar Ubuntu 11.10 post release week, no? | Nov 06 20:43 | |
| azalyn | msb__: on the desktop with the problems? gentoo. xfce. radeon hd 4800. -- i've also had the same problems white using kde3, and the previous video card was an nvidia card and had the same issue. | Nov 06 20:43 |
| msb__ | azalyn: do you run a system monitor like the one from kde4? | Nov 06 20:43 |
| azalyn | hm, i don't think so.. | Nov 06 20:44 |
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| azalyn | actually it's a radeon hd 4850, sorry. | Nov 06 20:44 |
| msb__ | That will tell you cpu, ram, swap usage. | Nov 06 20:44 |
| msb__ | azalyn: So you can see what's used up when it slows down. | Nov 06 20:45 |
| azalyn | all i know is that whenever i've had issues, killing firefox always made it better. or chromium.. or all python apps, etc.. | Nov 06 20:45 |
| msb__ | azalyn: It's called ksysguard, lives in /usr/bin/ksysguard | Nov 06 20:46 |
| azalyn | browsers seem to cause the issue more often because i keep lots of tabs open.. | Nov 06 20:46 |
| azalyn | like i said though, i suspect this is a hardware issue, not a software one. | Nov 06 20:47 |
| msb__ | That will cause Firefix to take a lot of cpu every 6 seconds or so. | Nov 06 20:47 |
| azalyn | because this laptop under the same kinds of workload never slows down. | Nov 06 20:47 |
| azalyn | even a bit. | Nov 06 20:47 |
| msb__ | Please install and run that monitor, it's an enormous help in diagnosis. | Nov 06 20:47 |
| azalyn | even for hardware issues? | Nov 06 20:48 |
| msb__ | Yep | Nov 06 20:48 |
| msb__ | Without it, you don't know what your system is doing. | Nov 06 20:48 |
| msb__ | ksysguard ver. 4.6.0 | Nov 06 20:48 |
| msb__ | or 4.6.00 | Nov 06 20:49 |
| azalyn | Diablo-D3: as i mentioned, i have issues with interpreted apps, that's why i don't use deluge anymore. i used to. | Nov 06 20:49 |
| msb__ | It also shows a ps readout, and tells you how much ram and cpu various apps are using. | Nov 06 20:49 |
| azalyn | i also used to use ktorrent. but i gave up on it after awhile.. i don't recall why, i just didn't like it. | Nov 06 20:49 |
| azalyn | qBittorrent is very much like uttorrent, and it's multiplatform, so i can use it on all systems. | Nov 06 20:50 |
| azalyn | msb__: and it has 45 dependencies... :| | Nov 06 20:50 |
| msb__ | are you lacking in system disk space? | Nov 06 20:50 |
| azalyn | no, i'm just ocd. | Nov 06 20:51 |
| msb__ | Well, take a pill and install it. 8^) | Nov 06 20:51 |
| msb__ | You can always yank it out later. | Nov 06 20:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | azalyn: meh, it works | Nov 06 20:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | at least | Nov 06 20:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | its the least shitty | Nov 06 20:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | I was running utorrent for awhile in wine, but it broke for some reason | Nov 06 20:53 |
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| msb__ | I like vuze. | Nov 06 20:53 |
| azalyn | msb__: are you trolling? :P | Nov 06 20:53 |
| msb__ | For what? | Nov 06 20:53 |
| msb__ | Is vuze politically incorrect? | Nov 06 20:54 |
| azalyn | it's probably one of the most hated clients. | Nov 06 20:54 |
| azalyn | because of bloat. | Nov 06 20:54 |
| msb__ | Really? Why? | Nov 06 20:54 |
| azalyn | and some people think they've sold out by turning it into some kind of media service or whatever. | Nov 06 20:54 |
| azalyn | but really, it's mostly the bloat. | Nov 06 20:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @wikileaks: Klu Klux Klan good, WikiLeaks bad, says MasterCard and VISA http://t.co/Jg2h56Cj more info: ur1.ca/5o2vn | Nov 06 20:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is marjoleink with 107 dents! | Nov 06 20:54 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 06 20:54 |
| msb__ | Well, it has a lot of features. | Nov 06 20:55 |
| azalyn | even azureus before it was considered a huge pile of bloat. | Nov 06 20:55 |
| azalyn | utorrent has all of the important stuff that azureus had, and is so much lighter. | Nov 06 20:55 |
| msb__ | I have 8GB of ram and plenty of disk, never go into swap, so bloat is a non-issue for me. | Nov 06 20:56 |
| msb__ | oops, brb | Nov 06 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | Since most people don't seem to understand, I'll spell it out. | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | There's no legal way to use anything that needs libdvdcss under US law, this includes Banshee "DVD playback". | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | Specifically. | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | 17 U.S.C. §§ 512, 1201–1205 | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.copyright.gov/title... | Nov 06 20:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | Unless you want to commit a US felony, you can't use or distribute libdvdcss. | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | The only licensed players that can descramble the css encryption on a DVD are: | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | LinDVD (Sold to OEMs only) | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | Fluendo DVD Player (Which is like $30 iirc and it a player, not a library that can be used by Banshee.) | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | There's no legal way to use Banshee in the United States, to play commercially sold DVDs thanks to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act cited above. In this regard, it's also illegal to use mplayer, or VLC to do the same. | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | Banshee can operate without libdvdcss, it can't play DVDs. | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | VLC can operate without libdvdcss, but it can't play DVDs/ | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | Mplayer can operate without libdvdcss, it can't play DVDs. | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | If you want to move on from criminal law (the kind that sends you to prison) to civil law (the kind that can get you sued), you can move on to patent infringing codecs (unless you bought a license from Fluendo or live in a country that doesn't recognize US patents, there's no way around this.) and the Microsoft patents that Mono infringes (Banshee requires Mono. | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | Using Banshee to play DVDs involve: | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | A US felony. | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | Infringement of patents on MPEG-2, a52, mp3, and Mono. | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | Using anything else seems to involve: | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | A US felony. | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | Infringements of patents on MPEG-2, a52, and mp3. | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | And a partridge in a pear tree. | Nov 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | I eagerly welcome comments unlike the snivelling little weasel that likes to ban people for stating the truth, even when it poops their party. ;) | Nov 06 20:57 |
| azalyn | msb__: i have 4GB of ram. | Nov 06 20:58 |
| azalyn | and given my aforementioned problems on the desktop, it's not a matter of 'how much' memory. i could have 32 GB and i would likely still have the same issues. | Nov 06 20:58 |
| azalyn | so personally i try to stay away from non-compiled apps as much as possible. | Nov 06 20:58 |
| azalyn | with my next pc build, i hope to get that amd fusion A8-3800 i mentioned earlier. and maybe a 2x4GB ram kit. | Nov 06 20:59 |
| azalyn | DaemonFC: it's questionable whether any .net patents would stand up in court. | Nov 06 21:02 |
| azalyn | with java we're lucky in a way that there is now a court case to decide the matter | Nov 06 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | it still involves a US felony to play back DVDs on Linux without lindvd or fluendo dvd | Nov 06 21:03 |
| azalyn | since it means that if google wins, then it pretty much sets a precedent that java is officially open. | Nov 06 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | no matter what your software of choice is | Nov 06 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | or how you will use it | Nov 06 21:03 |
| azalyn | sure, but that may not stand up in court either. the dmca has weakened. the iphone jailbreaking case showed that users *can* circumvent digital locks as long as they're not doing it to violate copyright or anything. | Nov 06 21:04 |
| azalyn | the PS2 jailbreaking case might go a similar road, and strengthen that precedent. | Nov 06 21:05 |
| azalyn | from there, it would only take a few more cases to completely crush the DMCA's power. | Nov 06 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | I like it when the envelope gets pushed, I'm just not sure I want to be the defendant | Nov 06 21:06 |
| azalyn | that's true. | Nov 06 21:06 |
| azalyn | but shuttleworth could presumably defend such a case in court. | Nov 06 21:06 |
| azalyn | although perhaps he'd prefer to play it safe. | Nov 06 21:06 |
| azalyn | in the case of the DVD format, it's a lot easier to argue that there is no harm in distributing the library, because CSS is completely broken, we essentially have the private signing keys.. it's not like blu-ray where they have key revocation and bd+ | Nov 06 21:08 |
| azalyn | with dvd, nothing will fix the drm, it's just officially broken forever. so the prosecution would have a difficult case to make.. they'd have to argue that stopping users from playing their legally purchased discs is worth it even though the cryptography is broken. | Nov 06 21:09 |
| azalyn | it's an impossible case to argue. | Nov 06 21:09 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: did the omg'ers delete your commands? | Nov 06 21:11 |
| schestowitz | *comments? | Nov 06 21:11 |
| schestowitz | or just the account? | Nov 06 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | no, they blocked one of my google accounts from posting more | Nov 06 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | lame | Nov 06 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | I just used another | Nov 06 21:11 |
| msb__ | azalyn: Firefox takes more cpu and ram when flash is active. You can kill flash by doing killall plugin-container | Nov 06 21:16 |
| msb__ | azalyn: Next time you got to a flashy page, or reload one you're on, flash will be reloaded. | Nov 06 21:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laforge/@laforge] #dhl claims to have delivered a parcel to me personally at my apartment on nov 3rd, despite me having been in stockholm from 2nd to 4th :( | Nov 06 21:18 | |
| DaemonFC | Fedora 17 is removing the GNOME Fallback mode | Nov 06 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | because upstream GNOME 3.4 is | Nov 06 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | now that the shell can work with llvmpipe, they don't feel the Fallback mode is needed | Nov 06 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | jono: Since llvmpipe could most likely run Unity, you figuring on dropping Unity 2d and freeing up a bunch of space? :) | Nov 06 21:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] !Mageia #Ubuntu !Mandriva !Mint !PCLOS !Fedora are the #Linux #distros I am most interested in these days when it comes to what's going on! | Nov 06 21:31 | |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: can already virtual machine Unity since 11.04 if set up right | Nov 06 21:32 |
| sebsebseb | get something from repo | Nov 06 21:32 |
| sebsebseb | and can do it | Nov 06 21:32 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Capitalism | They might get tough on Squatting but I bet they'll never get tough on the causes of #Squatting, too few own to much #property | Nov 06 21:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @bobvdv @Tuinslak zal die zo meteen doorsturen :) | Nov 06 21:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] MT @GeordieGuy: routinely, 3rd party services monitor trends and the result is like Twtitter's trends but w/ controversial stuff back in | Nov 06 22:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] and should I get an ATI/AMD, a nVidia or an integrated Intel HD 3000?.. help, !lazyweb !debian !linux | Nov 06 22:09 | |
| azalyn | ATI/AMD ^ | Nov 06 22:22 |
| azalyn | msb__: i'm well aware of that. that's why i use noscript. | Nov 06 22:22 |
| azalyn | i regularly kill the flash plugin, in both chromium and firefox. whenever i *do* allow it. (like on youtube) | Nov 06 22:23 |
| azalyn | for chromium, i even came up with a one-liner so i can do it on demand. | Nov 06 22:23 |
| azalyn | kill `pgrep -f chrom.*flash` | Nov 06 22:24 |
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| azalyn | which gets the process id automatically and then kills it. :) | Nov 06 22:24 |
| msb__ | Hmm, never heard of prgrep. Thanks! | Nov 06 22:25 |
| Kryczek | ah, windows stuff | Nov 06 22:31 |
| azalyn | msb__: comes bundled in the same package as ps, free, and top. | Nov 06 22:33 |
| azalyn | so you should already have it. | Nov 06 22:33 |
| msb__ | I do, just never heard of it. | Nov 06 22:33 |
| msb__ | Kinda wrote my own, with ps and grep. | Nov 06 22:34 |
| azalyn | lulz | Nov 06 22:34 |
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| MinceR | gn | Nov 06 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | nn | Nov 06 23:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Robert Fisk: Do those who flaunt the poppy on their lapels know that they mock the war dead? http://ur1.ca/5o4hl | Nov 06 23:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @brashley46 RT @OccupyToronto RT @hexabolic: According to UQAM, Canadian banks avoided tax on at least $16b last year. #occupytoronto | Nov 06 23:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @admprly ʎןɹǝd ɯɐpɐ Am I crazy for starting #NaNoWriMo over on day 4? #BetterThanDay24 << you got that right! | Nov 06 23:58 | |
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