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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Obama Launches Total Takeover of Media: Emergency Alert System - YouTube #eas #usa #policestate http://ur1.ca/5s09g | Nov 13 00:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Hackers may have spent years crafting #Duqu - Computerworld #stuxnet http://goo.gl/EtbE3 | Nov 13 00:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Hollywood's New War on Software Freedom and Internet Innovation | Electronic Frontier Foundation #eff #sopa #ipatriot http://goo.gl/Ek7Pr | Nov 13 00:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] How Litigation Only Spurred On #P2P File Sharing - Slashdot #mafiaa http://goo.gl/xTID4 | Nov 13 00:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Icelandic MP To Challenge US Court Ruling On Twitter Privacy - Slashdot #usa #policestate #wikileaks http://goo.gl/KsMBv | Nov 13 00:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Research projects - CrySyS #Duqu Detector Toolkit - http://ur1.ca/5s1lr | Nov 13 01:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Greece turns to Iranian oil as default fears deter trade | COLLAPSENET #iran #eu #collapse #peakoil http://goo.gl/k3HEx | Nov 13 01:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovruni/@ovruni] Revelaciones de Wikileaks: “El jefe de la OIEA está de acuerdo con EEUU en lo de Irán”: http://ur1.ca/5s5va !wikileaks | Nov 13 04:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] when identica is but a wasteland, you shall be one of the last bastions of awesomeness and wit? | Nov 13 06:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Police to Occupy Cal protester, after cracking his rib with baton blow: "You have no rights" http://identi.ca/url/56709245 | Nov 13 06:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Comics legend and crusading lawyer Bill Mantlo now brain-injured and fucked by Cigna http://identi.ca/url/56709373 | Nov 13 06:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] no, it's heroic. your efforts bring people back ;D | Nov 13 06:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Cops attack Occupy Denver like a bunch of barbarians http://identi.ca/url/56709428 | Nov 13 06:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] about the god part, though you'd definitely be interesting enough to bring me back to identica if I left :D | Nov 13 06:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Nice flower photos from a friend in #Japan http://flic.kr/p/aEe5bh http://flic.kr/p/aEdWZY #autumn #flowers #rose /cc: @syuu1228 | Nov 13 07:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #Adobe and #Microsoft underscore importance of the Unlocking education-campaign http://ur1.ca/5qrmo !fsfe !gnu !fs @janstedehouder | Nov 13 08:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] "by 2030, many global conflicts will be resource wars or wars driven by environmental degradation & dislocation" - http://bit.ly/sFGoK4 | Nov 13 09:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Android/Linux Tablet for Kids Reaches Toys R Us http://is.gd/y4bpZC #tablet #linux | Nov 13 09:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Online Ad Revenues Surpass Those of Print Media in #Russia - http://bit.ly/uyLuB0 happening everywhere #publishing | Nov 13 09:29 | |
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| iophk | So is Google now the largest advertising company yet? | Nov 13 09:39 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85222631 | Nov 13 09:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-11 09:19:03 UTC - Identi.ca: #SONY #Ericsson #Nozomi Runs #Linux http://is.gd/p8uwhd #android | Nov 13 09:39 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #CommodoreOS Vision stands on the shoulders of "Debian, Ubuntu and Mint" http://ur1.ca/5qqd4 #linux | Nov 13 09:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Free Microsoft upgrade when you threaten open source? - http://bit.ly/vqrIf2 pretty much the standard response... (v @karounos) | Nov 13 09:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] A Chat With Fedora's Project Leader http://ur1.ca/5se7c #fedora | Nov 13 09:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Fedora 16 #XFCE http://ur1.ca/5sebh #gnu #linux | Nov 13 09:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 6 Key Changes in Next #Ubuntu 12.04 Precise Pangolin http://ur1.ca/5rj73 | Nov 13 09:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Fedora 16 Isn’t Ruthless Underneath It All – It Just Needs Some Love and Understanding http://is.gd/ui13as #fedora #gnu #linux | Nov 13 09:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Review of the Latest #PCLinuxOS http://ur1.ca/5sedd #gnu #linux | Nov 13 10:02 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85223350 http://identi.ca/notice/85223352 http://identi.ca/notice/85223354 | Nov 13 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-11 09:44:14 UTC - Identi.ca: A Look at #Chakra #GNU #Linux Edn 2011.11 http://ur1.ca/5sdxw #arch | Nov 13 10:05 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-11 09:44:18 UTC - Identi.ca: A Look at #LinuxMint 12 RC http://ur1.ca/5sdxy #gnu #linux | Nov 13 10:05 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-11 09:44:20 UTC - Identi.ca: #Linux #Kernel Does Not Grow Just Linearly http://ur1.ca/5sdy2 #development | Nov 13 10:05 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Nov 13 10:11 |
| schestowitz | "Nice, very funny actually. I still wonder where the grudge against yum comes from, it's so much simpler and more powerful than e.g. apt*.. " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/801203 | Nov 13 10:32 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-11 10:02:19 UTC - Identi.ca: First Look: Linux Mint 12 http://ur1.ca/5see4 #linuxmint | Nov 13 10:32 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm getting pretty good at using these UAVs | Nov 13 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | I racked up 2 million in oil from one guy | Nov 13 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | all I had to do was send in some commandos to take out the turrets, then I sent in 41 UCAVs and laid waste to his base B-) | Nov 13 10:39 |
| *DaemonFC doesn't fight fair | Nov 13 10:39 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: what game. | Nov 13 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | War Commander | Nov 13 10:41 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85194856 | Nov 13 10:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @»ÑÐ½Ñ Ï Î·Î¹Î½ÑÑÑαâ âÏνÑÑ« (ikrshnan)'s status on Saturday, 12-Nov-11 16:14:39 UTC - Identi.ca: Free Software Foundation warns about the danger of computers becoming Windows-only http://identi.ca/url/56680538 !fsf !opensource | Nov 13 10:41 |
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| DaemonFC | http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3377/snapshot11r.png | Nov 13 10:42 |
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| DaemonFC | My forces taking out his base after the air defenses were destroyed | Nov 13 10:42 |
| schestowitz | »тнє υηινєяѕαℓ ℓσνєя« | Nov 13 10:42 |
| schestowitz | From the above | Nov 13 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | I lost 9 UCAVs taking otu a turret my commandos couldn't reach | Nov 13 10:42 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you crazy son of a gun | Nov 13 10:42 |
| oiaohm | Soulds like my TA method. | Nov 13 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Das Ryanstein | Nov 13 10:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/near-death-blog-search | Nov 13 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | Linux blog does not even cover a Linux topic | Nov 13 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'm currently at war with 15 other players | Nov 13 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | most of it was provoked by me | Nov 13 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | one of them tried to retaliate twice the same way, but when he came back I had laid a minefield out in the path he used last time and all 10 of his Paladin tanks were destroyed before he could retreat | Nov 13 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 13 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | he sent in A-10s after my command center, but I hid two Level 9 turrets behind it and they shot down all of them | Nov 13 10:47 |
| oiaohm | Do you have any high stealth units. | Nov 13 10:48 |
| schestowitz | as long as none of them shows up on your doorstep with an axe.... | Nov 13 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | most of the damage he caused was the wreckage of his air force falling onto a couple of my power plants | Nov 13 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 13 10:48 |
| oiaohm | Because it use to be my favorate stunt. | Nov 13 10:48 |
| oiaohm | In TA | Nov 13 10:48 |
| schestowitz | ta muchly | Nov 13 10:48 |
| oiaohm | Fly a high steath units into the middle of my attackers base. | Nov 13 10:49 |
| oiaohm | And land. | Nov 13 10:49 |
| oiaohm | Ie own weapons blow crap out own base. | Nov 13 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | UCAVs have a speed of 6 spaces per second on the map | Nov 13 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | that's about 10 times faster than a typical ground unit | Nov 13 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | I'm trying to level up to where I can use the F-22 Raptor | Nov 13 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | those have a speed of 20 | Nov 13 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | one of my tactics is to send in a few riflemen to lure all the enemy tanks out into the open | Nov 13 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | then call in a couple dozen A-10s and have them target the line of tanks | Nov 13 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | all that's left when they're done is a row of scrap metal | Nov 13 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have the Mega Tank yet, but I have used that move where the enemy had a couple guarding a really nice oil dump | Nov 13 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | what sucks is that those things have so much armor that you have to keep them chasing your decoys long enough for the A-10s to make a few passes | Nov 13 10:53 |
| iophk | "This is what Twitter hath wrought. And Facebook to a lesser extent. They've buried real news — stuff worth keeping around — under a mountain of buzz, all of which melts away after minutes, weeks or, at the most, months." | Nov 13 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | I suggested to the game developers that they introduce dedicated bombers | Nov 13 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | and munitions like daisy cutter bombs | Nov 13 10:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTIxTiX_MTM&feature=digest_mon Ron Paul Poll Bias on Fox News? | Nov 13 10:56 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Now that Gallium3D has a state tracker for vdpau, I force enabled it in Flash 11.2 beta | Nov 13 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | they had intended it for use with the proprietary Nvidia blob | Nov 13 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | but it seems to work fine with the R600g radeon driver | Nov 13 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder how long it takes them to discover this works with the open source drivers and disable it like they did with OpenGL acceleration | Nov 13 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s1BiL8GPqc | Nov 13 11:01 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | "Stay right here and shoot anything that comes down that ramp" | Nov 13 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 11:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: There's never a policeman around when you need one ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqSx_EaF_tw&feature=digest_mon | Nov 13 11:04 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: When I call 911 it will probably be because someone broke into my apartment and didn't live to tell about it | Nov 13 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb1eTaAIv4k&feature=related | Nov 13 11:05 |
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| DaemonFC | lol | Nov 13 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xIMaajxIvM | Nov 13 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | "Hope their lawyers are ready for attack from overpriced toy maker Apple " | Nov 13 11:08 |
| schestowitz | http://joindiaspora.com/posts/801032 | Nov 13 11:08 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Nov 13 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 13 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAuxWHIM5HI&feature=related | Nov 13 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: new: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOyqXU34cWY&feature=digest_mon | Nov 13 11:10 |
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| DaemonFC | "Instead of helping you, why don't we sit back and let you get your ass kicked?" | Nov 13 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | "That way you'll be dead, and we'll be glad!" :) | Nov 13 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ6y4AQjWWo&feature=related | Nov 13 11:13 |
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| DaemonFC | great | Nov 13 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | Flash fucked up and while I was gone someone attacked me | Nov 13 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | they'll pay for that, as soon as I get the power back on | Nov 13 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | *sigh* | Nov 13 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | Jesus, what a worm | Nov 13 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | he puleed his tanks out right before I destroyed them and is having his techs fix them all | Nov 13 11:18 |
| *DaemonFC i going to make him sorry he did that | Nov 13 11:19 | |
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| koolhead17 | hi all | Nov 13 11:20 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: can you get away with the ta stunt of enough repair personal that you can walk straight up to any turrent and blow it up. | Nov 13 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | no | Nov 13 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | the turret will probably lock on to all your techs and machine gun them | Nov 13 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | as the mortars behind it work on your tanks | Nov 13 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | I desperately need to level up so I can get my turret range up again | Nov 13 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | some of the units they are sending to attack me are pushing the range of my turrets | Nov 13 11:22 |
| schestowitz | koolhead17: wb | Nov 13 11:23 |
| koolhead17 | hey schestowitz | Nov 13 11:23 |
| koolhead17 | how are things here | Nov 13 11:23 |
| schestowitz | Everything is fine, I'm on top of news again | Nov 13 11:29 |
| schestowitz | except Gates stuff | Nov 13 11:29 |
| schestowitz | He's still doing clinical trials in Bihar | Nov 13 11:29 |
| schestowitz | "Donated" free | Nov 13 11:29 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85224883 http://identi.ca/notice/85224885 http://identi.ca/notice/85225091 http://identi.ca/notice/85225288 | Nov 13 11:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-11 10:53:13 UTC - Identi.ca: Sugar on a Stick Runs #Linux http://ur1.ca/5sfea #olpc | Nov 13 11:31 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-11 10:53:14 UTC - Identi.ca: Google makes business from disasters and labels it "education" http://ur1.ca/5sfee | Nov 13 11:31 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-11 11:01:23 UTC - Identi.ca: #YouTube #censorship of dissent http://ur1.ca/5sflp #dmca #eff | Nov 13 11:31 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-11 11:11:46 UTC - Identi.ca: Links 13/11/2011: Linux Mint 12 “Lisa” RC, Sugar on a Stick 6 http://ur1.ca/5sfsg #techrights | Nov 13 11:31 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/801397 | Nov 13 11:34 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/801389 | Nov 13 11:34 |
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| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?64898-Did-Hell-Freeze-Over-Intel-Mesa-Does-GLSL-1.30!&p=238388#post238388 | Nov 13 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 13:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Did Hell Freeze Over? Intel Mesa Does GLSL 1.30! - Page 3 .::. Size~: 31.47 KB | Nov 13 13:03 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Really HTC S3 patents should not be a issue any more with HTC joining OIN. DaemonFC | Nov 13 13:07 |
| oiaohm | So we should see some progress. | Nov 13 13:07 |
| DaemonFC | ahghh | Nov 13 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | sweet | Nov 13 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | Tarik attacked you 2 hrs, 5 mins ago metal loot 29,682 oil loot 97,266 | Nov 13 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | You attacked Tarik 5 mins ago metal loot 539,577 oil loot 403,484 | Nov 13 13:16 |
| azalyn | i wouldn't have been afraid of htc even if they hadn't joined OIN. but it's nice that they have. | Nov 13 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | yes! | Nov 13 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | drones are cool | Nov 13 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 13:17 |
| oiaohm | HTC mostly was working out how to release its patents safely. | Nov 13 13:17 |
| azalyn | i mean it would've been stupid of them given the bad press surrounding patents to go after linux... especially since they use android! | Nov 13 13:17 |
| oiaohm | HTC is mostly a nice company. | Nov 13 13:18 |
| azalyn | i think it's really stupid that distros are refusing to implement s3tc. | Nov 13 13:18 |
| oiaohm | HTC had another issue with s3tc | Nov 13 13:18 |
| azalyn | even via would likely not have sued linux over s3tc. | Nov 13 13:18 |
| oiaohm | They were asked to release it. | Nov 13 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | 1m: | Nov 13 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | 12 Wing Drones were deployed. | Nov 13 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | 1m 32s: | Nov 13 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | A level 3 Metal Storage was destroyed. | Nov 13 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | 1m 36s: | Nov 13 13:18 |
| oiaohm | But when HTC patents laywers started looking at it s3tc is in fact invalid. azalyn | Nov 13 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | A level 5 Gun Turret was 16% damaged. | Nov 13 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | 3m 5s: | Nov 13 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | A level 6 Metal Storage was destroyed. | Nov 13 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | 3m 24s: | Nov 13 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | A level 7 Oil Storage was destroyed. | Nov 13 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | 4m 22s: | Nov 13 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | A level 7 Metal Storage was destroyed. | Nov 13 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | 4m 58s: | Nov 13 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | A level 6 Oil Storage was destroyed. | Nov 13 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 13:19 |
| -Martinp23-[Global Notice] Hi folks. Over the next 30 mins or so I'll be doing some network upgrades. This will be in two stages. First, there will be a huge netsplit, followed by smaller netsplits. About 2700 users will lose connections as a result. I'll send messages directly to users on servers which will be restarted in a moment (zelazny, kornbluth). Thanks for your patience and have a great sunday. | Nov 13 13:19 | |
| azalyn | i disapprove of opensource developers crippling linux just for the sake of patents. i think we should just pretend patents don't exist and just implement everything. | Nov 13 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | well, that'll teach him to go find someone else to piss off | Nov 13 13:19 |
| oiaohm | azalyn: Yep all this time S3 had taken S3TC from prior art that was public domain. | Nov 13 13:19 |
| oiaohm | azalyn: Really crippling like freetype is fine. | Nov 13 13:20 |
| oiaohm | azalyn: Ie where the patent effected code can be turned on and off with a built flag. | Nov 13 13:20 |
| azalyn | the opposition is trying to force us into a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.. where if we implement patented technology, we risk getting sued, and if we don't, we get accused of being technologically behind.. "oh, linux is so behind in technology, it can't even play mp3s" | Nov 13 13:20 |
| azalyn | and i say if those are the only two options, we should risk getting sued. | Nov 13 13:20 |
| oiaohm | azalyn: mp3 patent is expired for playback. | Nov 13 13:21 |
| azalyn | rather than cripple ourselves. | Nov 13 13:21 |
| oiaohm | azalyn: Its a double sided sword. | Nov 13 13:21 |
| azalyn | because at least if we get sued, then we're the victims. and people will hate the companies suing us. | Nov 13 13:21 |
| oiaohm | The big is I have is NDA | Nov 13 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Where we don't know the patents that are the issue. | Nov 13 13:22 |
| azalyn | right now we're instead making people think that linux sucks.. they don't realize that patents and the dmca are the reason many things don't work "out of the box" | Nov 13 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | if he comes out of damage protection soon I'll send the drones back to finish off that row of tanks of his | Nov 13 13:22 |
| oiaohm | If you know the patents that are the issue you can either attempt to disprove them. | Nov 13 13:22 |
| oiaohm | Or design a work around azalyn | Nov 13 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | those were my secondary target but I didn't have enough time left to get them | Nov 13 13:22 |
| oiaohm | azalyn: freetype and truetype. Freetype developed a way of developing truetype font hinting without having to read the binary hinting data. | Nov 13 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | that and blowing up his war factory will leave him wide open for anyone that feels like going back and losing ground units to his mortars | Nov 13 13:23 |
| oiaohm | azalyn: In the end freetype now renders fonts better using both techs when the patent expired. | Nov 13 13:23 |
| azalyn | oiaohm: the automatic hinting or whatever was never really that good. | Nov 13 13:23 |
| azalyn | most people wanted the real thing.. a lot of techies hated the lack of real hinting support. | Nov 13 13:23 |
| azalyn | honestly, it's better for us to ignore patents. | Nov 13 13:24 |
| azalyn | pretend they don't exist. | Nov 13 13:24 |
| oiaohm | azalyn: thing is not all fonts have hinting data. | Nov 13 13:24 |
| azalyn | it's better to piss off corporations than to piss off users. | Nov 13 13:24 |
| oiaohm | so now that the patent is expired. | Nov 13 13:24 |
| oiaohm | freetype has both. | Nov 13 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Ie autohinting for fonts lacking hinting data. | Nov 13 13:24 |
| oiaohm | And binary hinting for those with hinting data. | Nov 13 13:24 |
| azalyn | whatever. i don't care about that. i'm more concerned about media playback. and 3d support. | Nov 13 13:25 |
| oiaohm | mp3 play back patents are dead. | Nov 13 13:25 |
| oiaohm | encoding patents still apply. | Nov 13 13:25 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] ♻ Really important step that this is done here! @tjyrinki: Keynote by Christina Haralanova given also in sign language. #fscons #inclusion | Nov 13 13:29 | |
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| DaemonFC | why does Wine notepad take over ini files? | Nov 13 13:31 |
| *DaemonFC thinks ini files sprinkled everywhere wasn't so bad really | Nov 13 13:33 | |
| DaemonFC | at least compared to the Windows Registryt | Nov 13 13:33 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: file assocation bug. | Nov 13 13:33 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I looked it up in KDE file associations and told it to open them with kate | Nov 13 13:33 |
| oiaohm | We have still not solved how to allow installed applications to show up in freedesktop accocations | Nov 13 13:33 |
| DaemonFC | they're just a plain text file | Nov 13 13:34 |
| DaemonFC | if you don't have Wine installed, they open in kate | Nov 13 13:34 |
| oiaohm | Without having wine internal applications turn up. | Nov 13 13:34 |
| oiaohm | You can disable wine means to create freedesktop assocations. | Nov 13 13:34 |
| oiaohm | Ie how to disable assocation create from wine is in the faq of course | Nov 13 13:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Debian, The Universal Operating System ! http://ur1.ca/5siuz | Nov 13 13:36 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Debian - Google+ - A couple years old, but still very applicable: … .::. Size~: 42.97 KB | Nov 13 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | new Opera 11.60 snapshot | Nov 13 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | just fixes crashers | Nov 13 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | which is where development on that branch is currently at | Nov 13 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2011/11/11/the-first-opera-11-60-post-beta-snapshot | Nov 13 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Opera Desktop Team - The first Opera 11.60 post-Beta snapshot .::. Size~: 62.75 KB | Nov 13 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | I never got a reply from my bank regarding their browser sniffing | Nov 13 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | the entire online banking site works just as well in Opera as it does in their "supported" browsers | Nov 13 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | they need to reconsider their use of the word "upgrade" | Nov 13 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | I don't consider Internet Explorer 7 to be an upgrade from Opera | Nov 13 13:40 |
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| DaemonFC | Mono got a room at FOSDEM 2012 | Nov 13 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | other than Mono, it doesn't look to Microsoft-tainted | Nov 13 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of these conferences get hijacked | Nov 13 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | it's supposedly about open source but then Microsoft sends someone to talk about Hyper-V or something | Nov 13 13:51 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: remember MS is having to provide developer to the Linux kernel to support Hyper-V | Nov 13 13:52 |
| oiaohm | So Hyper-V is costing them something. | Nov 13 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | they don't "support" it unless you're using SUSE | Nov 13 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | otherwise they don't care if it works or no\t | Nov 13 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | *not | Nov 13 13:53 |
| oiaohm | Incorrect. | Nov 13 13:53 |
| oiaohm | MS has to support it if you running redhat as well | Nov 13 13:53 |
| oiaohm | And redhat demards that the code goes into mainline kernel.org | Nov 13 13:54 |
| oiaohm | so MS is now submitting code to the Linux kernel themselves. | Nov 13 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | they can keep the quality bad and it in the staging tree forever because they control Greg KH | Nov 13 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | which will bend or break the staging tree "rules" for Microsoft while he happily deletes more useful things from it | Nov 13 13:54 |
| oiaohm | In fact no. | Nov 13 13:54 |
| oiaohm | Greg KH has deleted the hyper-v drivers 3 times. | Nov 13 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | the rules change depending on who you are | Nov 13 13:55 |
| oiaohm | Each time costing MS money they had to pay to redhat | Nov 13 13:55 |
| oiaohm | For breach of contract. | Nov 13 13:55 |
| oiaohm | Greg KH is not MS friendly in fact. | Nov 13 13:55 |
| oiaohm | Greg KH has not broken the rules once for Hyper-V | Nov 13 13:56 |
| oiaohm | Even that MS wished he would. | Nov 13 13:56 |
| oiaohm | this is why MS has had to provide a real person at Microsoft to maintain Hyper-V at kernel.org | Nov 13 13:56 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.kroah.com/linux/talks/oscon_2005_state_of_the_kernel/ | Nov 13 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Now of course the fun bit gets if Greg KH ever declares Hyper-V good enough. | Nov 13 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | "License weenies went apeshit" | Nov 13 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | over Bitkeeper | Nov 13 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | "Linux is better for having not listened to them" | Nov 13 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | he gets better every time he says something | Nov 13 13:58 |
| DaemonFC | the only reason he pretends to wag his finger at Microsoft now and then is because they abandon their work and leave him to do it as a Novell employee | Nov 13 13:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's an impotent gesture | Nov 13 13:58 |
| oiaohm | In fact no. | Nov 13 14:00 |
| oiaohm | MS has had to be providing code updates every release to keep Hyper-V in the Linux kernel. DaemonFC | Nov 13 14:00 |
| oiaohm | If MS misses a update to Hyper-V for a Linux release Greg KH threatens to remove Hyper-V | Nov 13 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Now most others in staging tree have a simpler time. DaemonFC | Nov 13 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Ie conflit of interesting makes Greg KH an asshole. | Nov 13 14:01 |
| oiaohm | So that he cannot be accused of being too light. | Nov 13 14:02 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: MS did call Greg KH bluff the first time over the include of Hyper-V | Nov 13 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Dumping it and leaving it. So he deleted it. | Nov 13 14:04 |
| DaemonFC | it seems he's still having a hard time from them | Nov 13 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Really its the other way. | Nov 13 14:05 |
| oiaohm | At every chance he is giving MS developers a hard time. | Nov 13 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Basically Greg KH is never a person you want with a possible conflit of interesting and you be the person he has a conflit of interest with. | Nov 13 14:06 |
| -Martinp23-[Global Notice] Hi - today's updates are now complete. Join us next week for the next game of upgrades roulette (see blog for schedule if you want to ruin the surprise). Have a great day! :) | Nov 13 14:07 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: because you have not seen Greg KH treatment of broadcom drivers vs MS hyper-v drivers. | Nov 13 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Broadcom has had lot of little things let slide by Grey KH | Nov 13 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Note Grey KH does not have a possible conflit of interest with broadcom. | Nov 13 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's probably because open source Broadcom drivers are better than not having Broadcom drivers | Nov 13 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | Hyper-V really adds no value to most Linux users | Nov 13 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | and Broadcom wireless chipsets are everywhere | Nov 13 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Case of two drivers for the same hardware. DaemonFC | Nov 13 14:09 |
| oiaohm | That is forbin by kernel rules. | Nov 13 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Broadcom has had that let slide. | Nov 13 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | I have a wifi card that works with openfwwf, but they have no hardware assisted WPA support | Nov 13 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | it will work, but it will use your CPU to provide the whole thing | Nov 13 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | so I ended up using the firmware cutter and using their firmware from the Windows driver | Nov 13 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | unless you want it to dog your CPU or leave your wifi unprotected, openfwwf is basically useless | Nov 13 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora shipped that in one release and declared the firmware cutter deprecated | Nov 13 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | then they got so many "Why is this killing my CPU?" complaints, that they dropped openfwwf and don't provide anything by default | Nov 13 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | so now instead of a really bad open source firmware, the hardware does nothing at all because they don't want to ship the broadcom firmware | Nov 13 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | which makes no sense, seeing as how they ship tons of other wireless firmwares that are nonfree but redistributable | Nov 13 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | what makes Broadcom different from Ralink? | Nov 13 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Really there is a difference. | Nov 13 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | it's another case of Red Hat legal being bipolar? | Nov 13 14:13 |
| oiaohm | No | Nov 13 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Ralink does infact license the firmware to be ship non modified. | Nov 13 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | what's different about Broadcom? | Nov 13 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | if it's not legal to redistribute, why are there sites that distribute it? | Nov 13 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Ralink can be mixed with other firmware. | Nov 13 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Broadcom is a little bit of a prick. DaemonFC | Nov 13 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Yes you may ship it but Broadcom firmware must only be with Broadcom firmware. | Nov 13 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | so you can't lob it into a package called "Linux firmware" and have done with it | Nov 13 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Nov 13 14:17 |
| oiaohm | OpenFWWF can be lobed in there and provide basic functionality until you can get the Broadcom one. | Nov 13 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | so why don't distributions just make a separate package, call it "Broadcom Firmware" and have done with it? :) | Nov 13 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | it's only a slight amount of extra work | Nov 13 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Do it once. | Nov 13 14:18 |
| oiaohm | And everyone will expect it. | Nov 13 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | - Linux runs on a wide range of different processor architectures. | Nov 13 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | There is no way that binary drivers from one architecture will run | Nov 13 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Ie OpenFWWF is more about sending a clear message don't think we will take the idea of having massive number of sources of firmware to track down. | Nov 13 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | on another architecture properly. | Nov 13 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | You could make a fat binary out of it | Nov 13 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 14:19 |
| oiaohm | firmware is infact platform netural. | Nov 13 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | I wasn't talking about the firmware | Nov 13 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | and why would it be dependent on a platform? it runs on the card itself | Nov 13 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 14:20 |
| oiaohm | firmwares run in the card. | Nov 13 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/stable_api_nonsense.txt | Nov 13 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | I was reading this | Nov 13 14:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] I haven't been active on identica in the last two months. Google+ has really got me... :( | Nov 13 14:21 | |
| DaemonFC | "so for even a single release you will need to create multiple versions of your module." | Nov 13 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | has he not heard of dkms? | Nov 13 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Yes he has. | Nov 13 14:22 |
| oiaohm | And yes Linux kernel has screwed up dkms drivers. | Nov 13 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Like when the Linux kernel decided to say by by to the big kernel lock. | Nov 13 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | right, but since AMD has a kernel glue layer licensed under the MIT X11 license.... | Nov 13 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Hee | Nov 13 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | I was able to fix it myself with only four lines changes in the whole thing | Nov 13 14:25 |
| oiaohm | That was one of the simplest. | Nov 13 14:26 |
| oiaohm | You should have seen what that did to vmware | Nov 13 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft was making fun of them a while back | Nov 13 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | calling them "VM Only" | Nov 13 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | VirtualBox isn't much better if you're looking for stability | Nov 13 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Really VMware is repsonsable for what is going on now. | Nov 13 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | it's open source, but that's not the biggest problem | Nov 13 14:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Neither her sex nor status should save #TheresaMay if she's misled us http://gu.com/p/33b6j | Nov 13 14:27 | |
| DaemonFC | the biggest one is that it, like VMWare, is a massive out of tree driver that fundamentally changes how the kernel operates | Nov 13 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | (at least when there's a Guest OS running under it) | Nov 13 14:27 |
| oiaohm | I though virtualbox still had some closed source parts. | Nov 13 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | it does | Nov 13 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | VirtualBox is open core just like most things from Sun were and like everything at Oracle | Nov 13 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | they save a bunch of nonfree goodies | Nov 13 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | and pass out the core as "open source" | Nov 13 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Really kvm out performs virtual box. | Nov 13 14:28 |
| oiaohm | And vmware | Nov 13 14:29 |
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| DaemonFC | it's perfectly usable without the nonfree goodies | Nov 13 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | the most likely thing you're going to notice is the lack of USB 2 support in the Guest | Nov 13 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | other than that it's more or less all there | Nov 13 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | with or without them, it is crap and taints and crashes kernels | Nov 13 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | Open Core stuff is basically unusable | Nov 13 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | it's like a free trial edition of the real thing | Nov 13 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | no matter what license they claim it is under, I don't want it | Nov 13 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Funny enought kvm support usb2 over network. DaemonFC | Nov 13 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Even that it does not support it local direct. | Nov 13 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | VirtualBox OSE is useful if you have to run Office under an XP Guest or something | Nov 13 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | it's useless for anything demanding high performance | Nov 13 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Opps | Nov 13 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | it's only a step up from Microsoft Virtual PC :) | Nov 13 14:32 |
| oiaohm | That bug is fixed. | Nov 13 14:32 |
| oiaohm | So qemu and kvm will be getting usb2 local very soon. | Nov 13 14:32 |
| oiaohm | splice interface worked first DaemonFC | Nov 13 14:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Werner Koch at #FSCONS: Encryption is currently too difficult. We need security by default. | Nov 13 14:32 | |
| oiaohm | Splice is nice for thin clients. | Nov 13 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't qemu use kvm now? | Nov 13 14:32 |
| oiaohm | qemu can use kvm | Nov 13 14:33 |
| oiaohm | does not have to. | Nov 13 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | it probably runs at warp speed compared to VirtualBox | Nov 13 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | I've never had anything real heavy to run in a VM, so I've always just used VirtualBox and didn't care that it was only so-so | Nov 13 14:34 |
| oiaohm | Really qemu is useful at times. | Nov 13 14:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Tutorial: How to take Julian Assange, and everyone else, out of context (video) http://t.co/YHmyEBjI | Nov 13 14:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @jwalck: Opportunistic encryptionof email http://ur1.ca/5skat http://ur1.ca/5skau #FSCONS #TCMB #OpenPGP | Nov 13 14:51 | |
| schestowitz | "Nice, very funny actually. I still wonder where the grudge against yum comes from, it's so much simpler and more powerful than e.g. apt*.." https://joindiaspora.com/posts/801203 | Nov 13 15:05 |
| schestowitz | "Awesome, can't get them appreciating technology early enough." [Apple] https://joindiaspora.com/posts/801032 | Nov 13 15:06 |
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| DaemonFC` | This disconnect brought to you courtesy of AT&T | Nov 13 15:13 |
| DaemonFC` | schestowitz | Nov 13 15:13 |
| DaemonFC` | [10:05] <schestowitz> "Awesome, can't get them appreciating technology early enough." [Apple] https://joindiaspora.com/posts/801032 | Nov 13 15:14 |
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| DaemonFC` | [10:10] <DaemonFC> The duck says quack | Nov 13 15:14 |
| DaemonFC` | [10:10] <DaemonFC> The cow says moo | Nov 13 15:14 |
| DaemonFC` | [10:10] <DaemonFC> The pig from Microsoft says "Pay me $20 for this or I'll sue" | Nov 13 15:14 |
| DaemonFC` | [10:10] <DaemonFC> B-) | Nov 13 15:14 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] does blocking on #HeyBuddy work? I still see group posts from that user & clicking the user see's it's unticked | Nov 13 15:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ticking "enable blocking" then clicking the block button doesn't seem to do anything, they revert when looking at that user & don't block | Nov 13 15:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] or is blocking for DMs only? meaning you have two hoops to jump through, one of which is on the site, so may as well do both on the site | Nov 13 15:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] can #HeyBuddy have the silence button in the user tab to avoid having to log into the site to do that part? | Nov 13 15:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Commemorative Shanzhai #iPad Has Steve #Jobs Rolling in His Grave - http://bit.ly/vsSQiP indeed #china | Nov 13 15:34 | |
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| schestowitz | Hi all, posts coming | Nov 13 15:35 |
| schestowitz | I see that freenode had 2 netsplits earlier... major fail | Nov 13 15:35 |
| *DaemonFC is going to wait for this guy's oil and metal to fill up then send in some drones :) | Nov 13 15:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @laurelrusswurm @klanger those moving to G+ don't understand problems that will arise if Internet becomes the sole preserve of one Am ... | Nov 13 15:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] News suggests that more people from Microsoft (not just Raikes and Gates) are occupying the obligatory system which sha http://ur1.ca/5sm75 | Nov 13 15:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ News suggests that more people from Microsoft (not just Raikes and Gates) are occupying the obligatory system which sha http://ur1. ... | Nov 13 15:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @bkuhn @algotruneman, I prefer to use social network software that is truly released under #AGPLv3 w/ inbound=outbound. #Diaspora is ... | Nov 13 15:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] Short Tor user manual is available in Dutch, English, French, German, and Spanish: https://www.torproject.org/docs/short-user-manual.html.en | Nov 13 16:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] !MEMES OVERLOAD ur1.ca/5pwya | Nov 13 16:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The establishment which was supposed to be taxpayers-funded (to serve taxpayers of course) is broadcasting propaganda f http://ur1.ca/5smov | Nov 13 16:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ The establishment which was supposed to be taxpayers-funded (to serve taxpayers of course) is broadcasting propaganda f http://ur1. ... | Nov 13 16:14 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] oh !clementine, please add a quicksearch box for "Files" list; can't have everything in my "library" (a huge removable drive)... | Nov 13 16:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Steve Ballmer and His Wife Connie Join Gates and Co. in Their Crusade Against Public Education http://is.gd/627Yc9 #pr #edreform #us | Nov 13 16:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laforge/@laforge] Richtlinie über die Gewährung von Billigkeitsleistungen des Bundes an Sekundärnutzer wegen anrechenbarer störungsbedingter Umstellungskosten | Nov 13 16:36 | |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85233787 http://identi.ca/notice/85233782 | Nov 13 16:36 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.53 | Nov 13 16:37 |
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| DaemonFC | there's my favorite thing about radeon | Nov 13 16:38 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85233787 http://identi.ca/notice/85233782 | Nov 13 16:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-11 16:23:36 UTC - Identi.ca: Bribing Governments and People to Become Microsoft Customers http://is.gd/g6Phw9 #microsoft #edgi #foss | Nov 13 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Competition Crimes of #Microsoft Moles | Nov 13 16:39 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2011/11/13/mafia-tactics-with-nokia/ #nokia #mosaid | Nov 13 16:39 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-11 16:23:34 UTC - Identi.ca: BBC Takes More Money From Bill Gates, Then Advertises for His Agenda http://ur1.ca/5smov #bbc | Nov 13 16:39 |
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| DaemonFC | the monitor comes back up when I move the mouse | Nov 13 16:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: amarsh04 is an enthusiast of it | Nov 13 16:39 |
| schestowitz | IIRC | Nov 13 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's the little things :) | Nov 13 16:39 |
| schestowitz | the open source drivers anyway | Nov 13 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85234461 | Nov 13 16:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-11 16:39:30 UTC - Identi.ca: Competition Crimes of #Microsoft Moles http://ur1.ca/5sne5 #nokia #mosaid | Nov 13 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Eloop | Nov 13 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | No prosecution | Nov 13 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Moles out in he wild | Nov 13 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Appalling | Nov 13 16:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] so, will !Clementine support global hotkeys in !KDE, so that I could use my multimedia keys to control it?.. | Nov 13 16:49 | |
| schestowitz | "thanks. for share!" http://joindiaspora.com/posts/801191 | Nov 13 16:51 |
| schestowitz | :-) any time.. | Nov 13 16:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 13 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Disaspora is great | Nov 13 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Far more active then identca and twitter for FOSS issues these days | Nov 13 16:51 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/802680 | Nov 13 16:54 |
| schestowitz | how true | Nov 13 16:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 13 16:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] A Survivalist Wife's Bug Out Bag For When #SHTF - YouTube #bob #preppers http://ur1.ca/5snsn | Nov 13 16:57 | |
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| schestowitz | iophk: Elop has just finnished [sic] Nokia http://identi.ca/notice/85234461 | Nov 13 17:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-11 16:39:30 UTC - Identi.ca: Competition Crimes of #Microsoft Moles http://ur1.ca/5sne5 #nokia #mosaid | Nov 13 17:05 |
| schestowitz | And he's not even under invetigation | Nov 13 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | not yet anyway | Nov 13 17:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] excellent, I sense it will build up as @Communix name shifts to continue group flame baiting; resurfaced like a genital wart as @identicats | Nov 13 17:06 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature | Nov 13 17:21 |
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| DaemonFC | Max Supported Displays is wrong | Nov 13 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | Evergreen and Northern Islands both support up to 32 displays now | Nov 13 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | much more than any actual hardware supports | Nov 13 17:22 |
| schestowitz | :-D | Nov 13 17:23 |
| schestowitz | you got 32 displays? | Nov 13 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Nov 13 17:23 |
| schestowitz | So there! | Nov 13 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | There are some FirePro cards that can do 16 though | Nov 13 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | they're expensive | Nov 13 17:24 |
| schestowitz | De Rat has many openbsd servers in his housel.. leading to high electricity bills | Nov 13 17:24 |
| schestowitz | de raadt that is | Nov 13 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | that was intentional | Nov 13 17:24 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: for price, maybe you can just operate multiple triple-head pcs | Nov 13 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | you hate him because RMS spam on their mailing lists annoys him | Nov 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | yeah, it was a joke, I don;'t hate him though | Nov 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | it's just a funny name | Nov 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | like "the rat" | Nov 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | RMS annoyed him? | Nov 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | I doubt it | Nov 13 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Nov 13 17:26 |
| schestowitz | I think you make that one up | Nov 13 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Noit in the mailing list | Nov 13 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | RMS lies about OpenBSDE a lot | Nov 13 17:26 |
| schestowitz | In talks | Nov 13 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | *OpenBSD | Nov 13 17:26 |
| schestowitz | About firmwae | Nov 13 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | they even made fun of him over it in one of their release songs | Nov 13 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Nov 13 17:26 |
| schestowitz | RMS spams their mailing lists?! | Nov 13 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | they have no nonfree firmware at all | Nov 13 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | they won't allow it | Nov 13 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | security hazard | Nov 13 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | impossible to debug | Nov 13 17:26 |
| schestowitz | But wait.. | Nov 13 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | etc. | Nov 13 17:26 |
| schestowitz | When did he ever mail their list? | Nov 13 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Let alone "spammed" | Nov 13 17:26 |
| schestowitz | I think you make that one up | Nov 13 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | he was accusing them of being nonfree because they had some stuff in their ports tree that would help you build some software RMS considers nonfree | Nov 13 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | the software itself isn't in their repository though | Nov 13 17:27 |
| schestowitz | In a mailign list?! | Nov 13 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Theirs? | Nov 13 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Nov 13 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Really? OpenBSD mailing lists? | Nov 13 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Nov 13 17:28 |
| schestowitz | hmm... | Nov 13 17:28 |
| schestowitz | got an example? | Nov 13 17:28 |
| schestowitz | http://kerneltrap.org/Richard_Stallman | Nov 13 17:28 |
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| DaemonFC | I read his post, every time they tried being reasonable with him, he responded with more nonsense | Nov 13 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | it kind of made me wonder for a moment if someone claiming to be RMS was forging headers or something | Nov 13 17:28 |
| schestowitz | http://kerneltrap.org/OpenBSD/That_Which_We_Call_Free | Nov 13 17:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: That Which We Call Free | KernelTrap .::. Size~: 81.41 KB | Nov 13 17:29 |
| schestowitz | "GNU Project and Free Software Foundation founder Richard Stallman posted a message on the OpenBSD -misc mailing list titled..." | Nov 13 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Oh, you are right | Nov 13 17:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 13 17:29 |
| schestowitz | It looks like some people are having a discussion in which they | Nov 13 17:29 |
| schestowitz | construct views they would find outrageous, attribute them to me, and | Nov 13 17:29 |
| schestowitz | then try to blame me for them. | Nov 13 17:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 13 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Oh, it's a bit defensive | Nov 13 17:30 |
| schestowitz | I see now | Nov 13 17:30 |
| schestowitz | He wanted to set the record straight | Nov 13 17:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 13 17:30 |
| schestowitz | The fact that OpenBSD is not a variant of GNU is not ethically | Nov 13 17:30 |
| schestowitz | important. If OpenBSD did not suggest non-free programs, I would | Nov 13 17:30 |
| schestowitz | recommend it along with the free GNU/Linux distros. | Nov 13 17:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 13 17:31 |
| schestowitz | ::-) | Nov 13 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't come across as rude | Nov 13 17:31 |
| schestowitz | It seems reactionary | Nov 13 17:31 |
| schestowitz | In the sense that he responded to misatribution | Nov 13 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Like tat "sexist" accusation | Nov 13 17:31 |
| schestowitz | But I guess unless you're back in 2007 and seeing all this in real time, then it's a historian's work | Nov 13 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#43 | Nov 13 17:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: OpenBSD release song lyrics .::. Size~: 96.78 KB | Nov 13 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | " | Nov 13 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | We have a development sub-tree called "ports". Our "ports" tree builds software that is 'found on the net' into packages that OpenBSD users can use more easily. A scaffold of Makefiles and scripts automatically fetch these pieces of software, apply patches as required by OpenBSD, and then build them into nice neat little tarballs. This is provided as a convenience for users. The ports tree is maintained by OpenBSD entirely separately from our | Nov 13 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | main source tree. Some of the software which is fetched and compiled is not as free as we would like, but what can we do. All the other operating system projects make exactly the same decision, and provide these same conveniences to their users. | Nov 13 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | Richard felt that this "ports tree" of ours made OpenBSD non-free. He came to our mailing lists and lectured to us specifically, yet he said nothing to the many other vendors who do the same; many of them donate to the FSF and perhaps that has something to do with it. Meanwhile, Richard has personally made sure that all the official GNU software -- including Emacs -- compiles and runs on Windows." | Nov 13 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | people who habitually commit bad code to OpenBSD eventually get booted out of the project | Nov 13 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | they're perfectionists, to the point that they'd rather have no code than bad code | Nov 13 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | and it's admirable, in a way :) | Nov 13 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | Linux takes quick fixes that are unhealthy in the long run to support more stuff now | Nov 13 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | even the FSF isn't thrilled with firmware blobs, but not for the same reasons the OpenBSD people dislike them | Nov 13 17:41 |
| gnufreex | RMS had problem that OpenBSD ports had non*free opera browser, and it builds it like it is Free. | Nov 13 17:42 |
| gnufreex | So it confuses people | Nov 13 17:42 |
| gnufreex | Someone might think it is Free | Nov 13 17:42 |
| gnufreex | I think he's right. | Nov 13 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | I use Opera | Nov 13 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not happy that it's nonfree, but I think Firefox is worse, in practical terms | Nov 13 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | for whatever reason you want | Nov 13 17:43 |
| gnufreex | I mean, OpenBSD folks can put whatever they want, but they cried about RMS saying that OpenBSD is not completely Free OS | Nov 13 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is big and bloated and full of bugs, and Linux takes a back seat to Windows | Nov 13 17:44 |
| gnufreex | If they want to be RMS certified, they should listen to him. If not, then not cry about not being RMS certified. | Nov 13 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | Opera is fast and efficient and generally stable, and performs as well on Linux as on Windows | Nov 13 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | it's not "free" but look at the mess it is competing with | Nov 13 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | actually two messes | Nov 13 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | and one of them is the open core browser from Google | Nov 13 17:45 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: LOL, RMS-certified | Nov 13 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | and what's really neat about Opera, is that it's not only smaller and faster than Firefox, it's got a mail client, news client, a nice RSS reader, a passable IRC client built in | Nov 13 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | neat little things like mouse gestures | Nov 13 17:46 |
| schestowitz | BTW, techrights got nominated for FSF award | Nov 13 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | extensions that don't turn out to be malicious software that attack other extensions | Nov 13 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | it's shameful really that Firefox has so many contributors and so much money and source code that's licensed under THREE FSF and OSI approved licenses and can't do better than this | Nov 13 17:48 |
| schestowitz | like what? | Nov 13 17:48 |
| schestowitz | what extension attacks another? | Nov 13 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Some are conflicting, but that's all, no? | Nov 13 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | oh, Noscript attacked Adblock Plus at one point | Nov 13 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | lots of extensions bundle spyware | Nov 13 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | like "Smartlinks" | Nov 13 17:48 |
| schestowitz | I heard that | Nov 13 17:48 |
| schestowitz | iT was an allegation | Nov 13 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | which contacts Kontera | Nov 13 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | no, it was fact | Nov 13 17:48 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/wood5y/statuses/135753478520840193 | Nov 13 17:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @wood5y: is post-MSFT Gates channelling #FUD (that nice #MSFT marketing tool) via the BBC? http://t.co/J4OO0v6A (via @schestowitz) | Nov 13 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | I had both of them at the time | Nov 13 17:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 13 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | and decided I could live without Noscript if the author was going to be an asshole and cause other extensions in my browser to malfunction | Nov 13 17:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] guys, why #chromium in my !aptosid/!debian #sid gives me "Aw Snap" on everything? deleted the profile; reinstalled it; still fails. | Nov 13 17:49 | |
| DaemonFC | so Opera has this clean extensions API, extensions are not monkey patching the browser like Firefox ones do | Nov 13 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Opera is practically good | Nov 13 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | they're all to be made from HTML 5, CSS, and Javascript | Nov 13 17:50 |
| schestowitz | but we need to support FOSS browsers to make the code stay free | Nov 13 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | and Opera demands to review them to make sure they aren't malware first | Nov 13 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | and every single important Firefox extension (to me) has a counterpart in Opera | Nov 13 17:50 |
| schestowitz | security updates need to be reviewed too | Nov 13 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | if it's not already built in | Nov 13 17:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @saschel ik wacht op mijn goedkeuring van registratie | Nov 13 17:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @saschel @Miel_vds Heel graag! /cc @coreation @lievenjanssen @jenssegers @b_b_b_a_r_t @tuinslak #TheDataTank | Nov 13 17:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @swersanne stuur maar naar board at iRail.be :) #andnobodytodoitforme | Nov 13 17:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @b_b_b_a_r_t Although we don't want #begov to use socrata, do we ;) #TheDataTank | Nov 13 17:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @saschel HAHA :D @Tuinslak toch! | Nov 13 17:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @b_b_b_a_r_t: Kenia has beat us! #opendata #begov | http://t.co/Si6axf9e | Nov 13 17:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @swersanne kunnen wij van #iRail helpen? Zie http://ur1.ca/5soyt voor samenvatting van onze speech van http://ur1. ... | Nov 13 17:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @MarcMichils: "Ik daag iedereen uit: centen van je spaarboek halen, een idee hebben en durven te ond http://ur1. ... | Nov 13 17:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @swersanne dankje! Zal er vanavond op reageren :) | Nov 13 17:51 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 13 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | It's impractical to read all those code bits thoroughly | Nov 13 17:51 |
| schestowitz | and then compile that by a staffer, who needs another person to ensure he's not colluding with som crook who makes plugins | Nov 13 17:51 |
| schestowitz | if people install bad s/w w/o reputation on their system, it's bound to happen | Nov 13 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | I only use a few Opera extensions anyway | Nov 13 17:52 |
| schestowitz | it's all that's dangerous in Android, nothing wrong with Android itself | Nov 13 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | well, a lot of the stuff on Mozilla add-ons is nonfree | Nov 13 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | or made available with no license attached (same thing) | Nov 13 17:52 |
| schestowitz | you don't blame kitchen knivs for murder | Nov 13 17:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A Dystopian Future Is Not Inevitable - http://bit.ly/scer7k I can't help feeling this anti-tech backlash is being drummed up intentionally | Nov 13 17:52 | |
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| schestowitz | extensions are made obsolete over time | Nov 13 17:53 |
| schestowitz | they become a browser built-in funcationality | Nov 13 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | unless you count a few video games, Opera is the only nonfree thing on my computer | Nov 13 17:53 |
| schestowitz | in the past I needed a firefox plugin for inline spellchers, session restore, etc. | Nov 13 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | seems like nobody can get a free web browser to work properly | Nov 13 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | at least, not for me | Nov 13 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | well, there's Flash | Nov 13 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 13 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | eww | Nov 13 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | but, it's Flash | Nov 13 17:54 |
| schestowitz | chrome comes with it | Nov 13 17:54 |
| schestowitz | maybe still | Nov 13 17:54 |
| schestowitz | despite webm | Nov 13 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | patents are another beast | Nov 13 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | I have a lot of software that violates US patents | Nov 13 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | fuck em | Nov 13 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | OpenBSD goes a bit further still and won't include things that violate US patents | Nov 13 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | including LAME | Nov 13 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | most Linux distributions, even on the FSF approved list, offer that | Nov 13 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | I don't use OpenBSD, but attacking them over offering Opera in a Ports tree is petty and stupid | Nov 13 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | and the product of someone with enough time on his beard to sit around waiting for a daemon to fetch him web pages one by one like the world wide web was a big e-mail system | Nov 13 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 13 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | if a user (like me) wants to install Opera on a computer the user (like me) paid for, then the user (like, me) should not be prevented from doing so. | Nov 13 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | It probably should be labeled non-free | Nov 13 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why they didn't do that | Nov 13 18:01 |
| schestowitz | [17:56] <DaemonFC> I have a lot of software that violates US patents | Nov 13 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | tossing nonfree software into a default setup like Linspire did is bad | Nov 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | what is teh patent? :-) | Nov 13 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | suggesting it is a feature and installing all the nonfree stuff you can in one big blob, like Ubuntu offers to do, is bad | Nov 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | people take many laws for granted | Nov 13 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | you never see RMS wagging his finger at Ubuntu over that | Nov 13 18:03 |
| schestowitz | intellectuals sometimes criticise ,medical patents | Nov 13 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | why? | Nov 13 18:03 |
| schestowitz | on ethics grounds | Nov 13 18:03 |
| schestowitz | RMS never "Wags" is finger at Linspire, either, maybe the FSF does | Nov 13 18:03 |
| schestowitz | his front group if you can call it that | Nov 13 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | it would be more acceptable, to me anyway, if Ubuntu broke down the nonfree or patent encumbering stuff into individual components | Nov 13 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Juhn made a witty remark | Nov 13 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | maybe the user wants Flash but doesn't play MP3s or have any need for AMD Catalyst | Nov 13 18:04 |
| schestowitz | All those rabid Macfans are good at daemonising a small group like the FSF while praising and defending massive bullies | Nov 13 18:04 |
| schestowitz | WHich is atypical | Nov 13 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Because the FSF's message is controversial (meaning dangerous to some entities) | Nov 13 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | instead of just cramming it all in there with barely more than a sentence of why the box is unchecked is not right | Nov 13 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | *which is | Nov 13 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | or here's one | Nov 13 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | the user leaves the box unchecked because he doesn't want that shit | Nov 13 18:05 |
| schestowitz | RMS is like a smart version of Gonad | Nov 13 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | so as soon as he opens his media player or browser, he gets assaulted with popups wanting to install it anyway | Nov 13 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 18:06 |
| schestowitz | unchecked for what? | Nov 13 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu's installer has a checkbox to install nonfree software | Nov 13 18:06 |
| schestowitz | blobs? | Nov 13 18:06 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: right.. | Nov 13 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | if you leave it unchecked, everything you open bitches at you | Nov 13 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | "Flash isn't installed" | Nov 13 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | "Can't play MP3s!!! You don't have any? Well, lets piss you off anyway!!! Wanna install it!?!?" | Nov 13 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | No.. | Nov 13 18:07 |
| schestowitz | WHo would install trash? | Nov 13 18:07 |
| schestowitz | mp3? | Nov 13 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | Next time you open Amarok "We noticed you can't play MP3s, did you change your mind yet? | Nov 13 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't that get installed now? | Nov 13 18:07 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, Canonical still pays the MPEG cartel | Nov 13 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | "We can keep these popups coming all day!" | Nov 13 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | they pay them per unit shipped with that functionality | Nov 13 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | so they don't install it by default on their CDs | Nov 13 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | only on systems that come with Ubuntu, like Dell stuff | Nov 13 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://stocksandbeyond.com/geithner-grilled-on-goldman-sachs/ | Nov 13 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's not like they pay a lump sum and distribute as many copies as they want | Nov 13 18:09 |
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| DaemonFC | they have to pay a few bucks every time they do | Nov 13 18:09 |
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| DaemonFC | this is the treasury secretary that doesn't pay his taxes | Nov 13 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | why is anything he does a surprise? | Nov 13 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | he's a criminal | Nov 13 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | more or less the same as anyone Obama appointed | Nov 13 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | or, like Obama himself | Nov 13 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | this isn't working out like I had "hope"d | Nov 13 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | I was "hope"ing for some "change | Nov 13 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | instead it's just a black Bush that the Bush supporters are too stupid to see is exactly like Bush and they accuse him of being born in Kenya and having a secret liberal agenda | Nov 13 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | Geithner is a criminal | Nov 13 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | anyone associated with Wall Street on that level is a criminal | Nov 13 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | big banks work their way into the top positions at the government agencies that regulate them | Nov 13 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | so the regulations tend to be, lacking | Nov 13 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | The IRS is too busy chasing me down over $18 I forgot to pay them one year to worry about millionaires that don't pay their taxes at all | Nov 13 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | like Geithner | Nov 13 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Taking tax credits meant for the poor increases your odds of being audited by over 400% | Nov 13 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | people who are so poor they qualify for the earned income tax credit get heckled by the IRS more than Bill Gates | Nov 13 18:16 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: agreed | Nov 13 18:18 |
| schestowitz | I like the pat about you being chased by the IRS.... | Nov 13 18:18 |
| schestowitz | ...while those who committed tax fraud at the worth of BILLIONS are left alone cause they "legalised" it | Nov 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | The public thinks the laws and enforcement make sense | Nov 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | They seem to forget that laws are changed and amended all the time | Nov 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | And the public should be the one changing them | Nov 13 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | I literally had them send me a threatening letter back in 2003 | Nov 13 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | over $18 | Nov 13 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | because I miscalculated a deduction on one of the dozens of lines on their form | Nov 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | In practice, people like Gates with their lobbyists just write the rules differently, rewriting people's bank balances by law | Nov 13 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | $18 funds how many picoseconds of Iraq? | Nov 13 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 18:20 |
| schestowitz | ah, the war on terrorism | Nov 13 18:20 |
| schestowitz | just don't call it war crime k? :-) | Nov 13 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Probably the only thing Americans agree on is that they fucking hate the IRS | Nov 13 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | that's why it comes up so much regardless of political affiliation | Nov 13 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | nobody likes their money stolen from them and used to fund stupid shit and corporate welfare | Nov 13 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | this is an example of my argument that the government has gotten so corrupt and beyond the control of the people that over 90% of Americans agree something needs to change and it doesn't | Nov 13 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | that's where the Occupy protects are coming from | Nov 13 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | the tax system doesn't actually fund anything except the interest on the government's debts | Nov 13 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | it's like putting everything on the credit card and only paying the interest you owe each month so it hides the problem for a while longer | Nov 13 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: "Post-Industrialism" is just a nice euphemism for has-been country | Nov 13 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | "We don't make anything anymore" Well, what do you do? | Nov 13 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | "Credit card!" | Nov 13 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | I think this is why the government doesn't want people to know basic math | Nov 13 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't take long to see that the taxes they take in would only cover less than 10% of what they spend | Nov 13 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | where does the rest come from? | Nov 13 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | The fairy godmother! | Nov 13 18:29 |
| schestowitz | [18:26] <DaemonFC> "Credit card!" | Nov 13 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Nov 13 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | (Chinese + stealing people's pensions) | Nov 13 18:29 |
| schestowitz | and Popoff | Nov 13 18:29 |
| schestowitz | and teleevangelists | Nov 13 18:29 |
| schestowitz | for grandma farmer | Nov 13 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | my Grandma Farmer died 9 years ago | Nov 13 18:29 |
| schestowitz | [18:29] <DaemonFC> (Chinese + stealing people's pensions) | Nov 13 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Or putting children in debt | Nov 13 18:29 |
| schestowitz | like student loans | Nov 13 18:29 |
| schestowitz | and national debt | Nov 13 18:30 |
| schestowitz | ok, so the grandma gonad | Nov 13 18:30 |
| schestowitz | [maternal] | Nov 13 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | Harmon | Nov 13 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | it was Harman, but the army screwed up my grandfather's name | Nov 13 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | and that was the earliest legal document in the US that he had | Nov 13 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | so it stayed that way | Nov 13 18:32 |
| schestowitz | What's that name's origin? Never heard of it before | Nov 13 18:34 |
| schestowitz | A but like Hermann | Nov 13 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | Ireland | Nov 13 18:34 |
| *schestowitz listens to Ukranian pop | Nov 13 18:34 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: how much is a beer in Indiana? | Nov 13 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Let's say in Walmart | Nov 13 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | depends | Nov 13 18:36 |
| schestowitz | 30 ounces | Nov 13 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | there are many things calling itself "beer" | Nov 13 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | if it's good beer it's more expensive than nasty beer | Nov 13 18:36 |
| schestowitz | is it necessarily better? | Nov 13 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | the stuff I drink tends to be about $8 per 6 pack | Nov 13 18:37 |
| schestowitz | there comes a point where it just gets more expensive, not beter | Nov 13 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | I like Shock Top | Nov 13 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | or Killians | Nov 13 18:37 |
| schestowitz | a ;pack of what? | Nov 13 18:37 |
| schestowitz | 330ml? | Nov 13 18:37 |
| schestowitz | 440? | Nov 13 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | 12 ounce bottles | Nov 13 18:37 |
| schestowitz | 550 (pint)? | Nov 13 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | there's stuff that comes in 30-40 ounce varieties, but it's not good beer | Nov 13 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | stuff to get drunk on | Nov 13 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | tastes bad but cheap with lots of alcohol | Nov 13 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | if you're an alcoholic, it will do fine | Nov 13 18:38 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 13 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | my grandmother thinks drinking any alcohol is a shameful sin | Nov 13 18:39 |
| schestowitz | lol | Nov 13 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | so on my birthday I purposely drank two 24 ounce mugs in front of her | Nov 13 18:39 |
| schestowitz | like drinking someone's blood | Nov 13 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | that's the most alcohol I've had on one sitting in years | Nov 13 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not a big drinker | Nov 13 18:40 |
| schestowitz | 16 ounces is a pound | Nov 13 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | fluid ounces | Nov 13 18:40 |
| schestowitz | I hate the UK/US difference in measurements | Nov 13 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 13 18:40 |
| schestowitz | it''s confusing | Nov 13 18:40 |
| schestowitz | US gallon and pints and not the same | Nov 13 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Meters and other metric measurements are universal | Nov 13 18:40 |
| schestowitz | You are confusing students with those imperial measurements | Nov 13 18:41 |
| schestowitz | when they study physics they need to learn metric anyway | Nov 13 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | a typical 12 ounce bottle of beer has about an ounce of alcohol in it | Nov 13 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | an ounce of alcohol is typically metabolized within about an hour | Nov 13 18:41 |
| schestowitz | 8% | Nov 13 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 18:41 |
| schestowitz | metabolized? | Nov 13 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Nov 13 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Or processed in the liver? | Nov 13 18:42 |
| schestowitz | does it turn into something useful? | Nov 13 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | errr,. that's what I meant | Nov 13 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | used the wrong word | Nov 13 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | no | Nov 13 18:42 |
| schestowitz | You should put alcohol in your grandma's gcoffee | Nov 13 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | alcohol has a lot of food energy in it (calories) that's about it | Nov 13 18:42 |
| schestowitz | and say it's some very expensive coffee | Nov 13 18:42 |
| schestowitz | With a distinct taste :-) | Nov 13 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Funny thing I noticed yesterday | Nov 13 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Common observati | Nov 13 18:43 |
| schestowitz | You tell a girl something about posh... | Nov 13 18:43 |
| schestowitz | And then they pull labels | Nov 13 18:43 |
| schestowitz | to pretend to be all posh | Nov 13 18:43 |
| schestowitz | like some chocolate label or a drink | Nov 13 18:43 |
| schestowitz | In the UK, girls like to drink some major label alcoholic drinks (guys do that too) to associate themselves with high society | Nov 13 18:44 |
| schestowitz | "I shall have a Chardonnay (French accent)!" | Nov 13 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | the difference between cheap coffee and expensive coffee is not necessarily a psychological thing | Nov 13 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | but it can be | Nov 13 18:44 |
| schestowitz | People also get Coke because of the connotation | Nov 13 18:44 |
| schestowitz | In the past you'd just drink water | Nov 13 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | "tell someone it's expensive and they perceive it as tasting better" | Nov 13 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Not the thing people have their water with is a status symbol | Nov 13 18:45 |
| schestowitz | "What will you have?" | Nov 13 18:45 |
| schestowitz | "I'll have water, thank you!" | Nov 13 18:45 |
| schestowitz | "You SHAV!!" | Nov 13 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Chav | Nov 13 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | chavs, lol | Nov 13 18:45 |
| *DaemonFC thinks we should deport Alabama to the UK | Nov 13 18:45 | |
| schestowitz | [18:44] <DaemonFC> "tell someone it's expensive and they perceive it as tasting better" | Nov 13 18:45 |
| schestowitz | This marketing works | Nov 13 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | there's some chavs for your chavs to make fun of | Nov 13 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Contrariwise, give someone something expensive | Nov 13 18:46 |
| schestowitz | And tell you got it half price | Nov 13 18:46 |
| schestowitz | you ruin their meal | Nov 13 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Apple uses this form of marketing too | Nov 13 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | right | Nov 13 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | marketing | Nov 13 18:46 |
| schestowitz | You are what you eat | Nov 13 18:46 |
| schestowitz | BUT.. | Nov 13 18:46 |
| schestowitz | They go with | Nov 13 18:46 |
| schestowitz | You are worth what you eat costs | Nov 13 18:46 |
| schestowitz | So if you're expensive to fee, "you're WORTH it!" | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | *to feed | Nov 13 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like stuck ups | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | me neither | Nov 13 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | but I don't like trashy people either | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | some people are all about this in life | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | judging people either by money... | Nov 13 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'm somewhere in the middle I guess | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | or their belongings | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | cause it's the shallow quick qay to go by | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | *way | Nov 13 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | my grandmother decided to get herself a Cadillac | Nov 13 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | a really gaudy one | Nov 13 18:48 |
| schestowitz | People who judge others by money./belonging as though it helps evaludate a person rather than ethics, freedom, etc. | Nov 13 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Freedom counts | Nov 13 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | even though there was NOTHING wrong with her Buick | Nov 13 18:48 |
| schestowitz | my sister hates her job | Nov 13 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | my mom is like that to some extent | Nov 13 18:49 |
| schestowitz | many people work just for money | Nov 13 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | I think it kind of rubbed off | Nov 13 18:49 |
| schestowitz | They cannot imagine or fathom that there is another way | Nov 13 18:49 |
| schestowitz | To them , progress at work means more money, not more fun | Nov 13 18:49 |
| schestowitz | So no wonder they make themselves so miserable | Nov 13 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | here I am, I could buy a new car but I don't "need" it bad enough to go into that kind of debt | Nov 13 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | so I just drive something old and slap new parts on it as things fail | Nov 13 18:49 |
| schestowitz | I could buy a car without debt | Nov 13 18:50 |
| schestowitz | But I don't need one at the moment, I live inside the centre of town | Nov 13 18:50 |
| schestowitz | would take me longer to drive then to walk to key places | Nov 13 18:50 |
| schestowitz | *than | Nov 13 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | I tend to do things myself | Nov 13 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | even oil changes | Nov 13 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Driving is also a status sybmbol | Nov 13 18:50 |
| schestowitz | And then the type of car matters | Nov 13 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | unless there's a foot of snow on the ground or something | Nov 13 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think it's worth paying double | Nov 13 18:50 |
| schestowitz | People think of it like their second skin/shard | Nov 13 18:50 |
| schestowitz | And compare people's worth by that tincan | Nov 13 18:51 |
| iophk | http://www.google.com/search?q=bilfri+innerstad | Nov 13 18:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: bilfri innerstad - Google Search .::. Size~: 102.49 KB | Nov 13 18:51 |
| iophk | "downtown without cars" | Nov 13 18:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.klimax.se/bilfri-innerstad | Nov 13 18:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bilfri innerstad | Klimax .::. Size~: 13.68 KB | Nov 13 18:51 |
| schestowitz | what's his about? | Nov 13 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Linus' language | Nov 13 18:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.goteborgnonstop.se/tag/bilfri-innerstad/ | Nov 13 18:52 |
| iophk | It's about removing automobile traffic from city centers. | Nov 13 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | plus working on a Ford is a good way to convince your neighbors you are insane | Nov 13 18:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: bilfri innerstad « Göteborg Nonstop .::. Size~: 35.04 KB | Nov 13 18:52 |
| schestowitz | right.. | Nov 13 18:52 |
| schestowitz | where many people inhale | Nov 13 18:52 |
| schestowitz | and where the main traffic necesary is trunks, to stock the shelves | Nov 13 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | they watch you walk into the garage then spend a few hours screaming "God dammit, get in there you son of a bitch!!!" | Nov 13 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | "Fuck, shit!!! Jesus!!! OWWW!!!!!" | Nov 13 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | :0 | Nov 13 18:53 |
| iophk | Yes. They promote better alternatives like mass transit and bicycles. | Nov 13 18:53 |
| schestowitz | cats in city centres make biking danderous | Nov 13 18:53 |
| schestowitz | esp. in side streets | Nov 13 18:53 |
| iophk | In a city with good bicycle routes, it is much faster to get around in a 5km radius with a bike than with a car. | Nov 13 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | cats? | Nov 13 18:53 |
| schestowitz | poor visibility around corners | Nov 13 18:53 |
| schestowitz | if you remove the cars, you then incentivise more safe cycling | Nov 13 18:54 |
| schestowitz | But it's not gonna happen | Nov 13 18:54 |
| schestowitz | lobbyists won't let it be | Nov 13 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | this game is time consuming and frustrating unless you pay a lot of money to "speed things up" :) | Nov 13 18:54 |
| schestowitz | the main reason i don't cycle more is because I try to stick to natural paths | Nov 13 18:54 |
| iophk | Bicycles are the most efficient transport. It's just you have to have good outdoor clothing and a place to change if the weather is rainy. | Nov 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Today i rode to Old Trafford | Nov 13 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | of course, that's the point | Nov 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz | No cars around, just mud and people | Nov 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz | some colleagues of mine used to ride to work | Nov 13 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | I've gotten to where before I leave the computer for a while, I cash out my resource dumps onsome big expensive projects so if anyone attacks while I'm gone, there's nothing they can steal | Nov 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz | they could just work via SSH though | Nov 13 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz | and we had shower facilities.. | Nov 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Which nobody used | Nov 13 18:56 |
| schestowitz | some ride a long way from Stockport | Nov 13 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | best part is that you can cancel the upgrade or research thing later and get your resources back | Nov 13 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | so it's a good way to freeze some you don't want stolen | Nov 13 18:56 |
| schestowitz | but if you walk to work you can listen to some 'casts or read papers | Nov 13 18:56 |
| schestowitz | If you have the accessories for it | Nov 13 18:56 |
| schestowitz | depends on distances | Nov 13 18:56 |
| iophk | Walking is best, but then you have to be close to work and have good trails. Climbing through traffic is as bad as biking through traffic. | Nov 13 18:57 |
| schestowitz | dense construction makes natural paths rare | Nov 13 18:57 |
| schestowitz | and unsafe | Nov 13 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Even with CCTV | Nov 13 18:57 |
| schestowitz | CCTV is a poor deterrent to jkunkies | Nov 13 18:57 |
| schestowitz | sometimes I need to drive, depends where one lives | Nov 13 18:58 |
| schestowitz | And for some jobs physical presence is absolutely vital | Nov 13 18:58 |
| schestowitz | and accommodation nearby is prices out of reach for the job | Nov 13 18:58 |
| schestowitz | For instance a cleaner in a city centre business | Nov 13 18:58 |
| amarsh04 | I had an interesting discussion with one of our state government employees about public transport in Tokyo versus Adelaide | Nov 13 19:00 |
| amarsh04 | Tokyo is far more densely populated, but is also far more pedestrian friendly (e.g. plenty of shelter at stations and lockers and the like) | Nov 13 19:02 |
| amarsh04 | the incentives need to be such as to make the streets effective for pedestrians/cyclists/public transport | Nov 13 19:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] How a Dog Hugs a Baby | Effective Puppy Training Moncton, New Brunswick - #funny http://goo.gl/tU4Xd | Nov 13 19:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] oh wow, didn't know that one: http://ur1.ca/5sqtj - Underhanded !C Contest. :) | Nov 13 19:04 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How a Dog Hugs a Baby | Effective Puppy Training Moncton, New Brunswick .::. Size~: 21.6 KB | Nov 13 19:04 |
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| amarsh04 | If I have a 6am start in Adelaide there is no public transport, but when I drive home there is heavy traffic due to both the morning shift people finishing and people obsessed with picking up school students in their cars | Nov 13 19:04 |
| amarsh04 | anything like the obfuscated C contest? | Nov 13 19:05 |
| amarsh04 | sleep time anyway... | Nov 13 19:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Testing a nice beer. Diebrauerei.com. Very local. Very good. http://ur1.ca/5sqyw... http://b1t.it/UyX | Nov 13 19:09 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - Testing a nice beer. Diebrauerei.com. Very local. Very good. .::. Size~: 43.66 KB | Nov 13 19:09 |
| schestowitz | "Community Strategist at Guardian Media Group" | Nov 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Nov 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: many of those students can walk back home | Nov 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Their parents spoil them | Nov 13 19:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] oh, @sochack seems to be going forward rather nicely... this will be fun! :) | Nov 13 19:21 | |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer upgraded their Wing Drones to level 8 in War Commander. | Nov 13 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | These drones are now full-fledged aerial killers. | Nov 13 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 13 19:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is http://ur1.ca/1of43 with 63 dents! | Nov 13 19:26 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Amy H. (gamerchick02) - gamerchick02 .::. Size~: 58.37 KB | Nov 13 19:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: your [sic] on fyah | Nov 13 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 19:34 |
| *DaemonFC is listening to Rooster by Alice In Chains on Dirt [Amarok] | Nov 13 19:35 | |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 13 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | I think these drones are my favorite game unit | Nov 13 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | can't believe I waited so long to unlock them | Nov 13 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | all I use my ground forces for now is to clear out anything that threatens the drones | Nov 13 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | once those are gone, I just call in an airstrike and tell the computer to select targets for the drones | Nov 13 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | go get coffee, come back, enemy base flattened | Nov 13 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | bunch of resources, mine | Nov 13 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | enemy rebuilds, comes looking for revenge when I'm not there | Nov 13 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | leaves with nothing because I spent all the resources I looted | Nov 13 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | and they're out the units they lose to my base defenses | Nov 13 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 13 19:42 |
| schestowitz | post sceenshots then | Nov 13 19:42 |
| schestowitz | or it didn't happen !! | Nov 13 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | oh yeah :) | Nov 13 19:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] debian wheezy? ;) | Nov 13 19:42 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3377/snapshot11r.png | Nov 13 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | I (heart) my drones | Nov 13 19:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | Nov 13 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | they are my babies | Nov 13 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | until they get shot down | Nov 13 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | then I make more | Nov 13 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | hooray, more! | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | is that an Obama impersonation? | Nov 13 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | maybe ;) | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | This looks like games from the 90s | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | darn, I think there's throttling on the server | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | I get crap response time | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | computational server | Nov 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | My collague said we can buy some "cloud" space | Nov 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Google or Amazon | Nov 13 19:48 |
| schestowitz | That would be so cool | Nov 13 19:48 |
| schestowitz | 100 cores :-) | Nov 13 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Like running an overnight experiment in half an hour | Nov 13 19:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Activist Post: Americans Are Now Living In a Society That Rivals Orwell’s 1984 - #usa #policestate http://goo.gl/6i79V | Nov 13 19:52 | |
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| schestowitz | At midnight last night the main monitoring server went wonky and needed rebooting (via ilo), whereupon it turned out it was also a KVM host, so that, in turn, also needed urgently restoring. Went to sleep at 3am at the end due to this. | Nov 13 19:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @bkuhn BTW, you might have a good project if you have no code whatsoever, but you're *not* a Free Software project if you don't have ... | Nov 13 19:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] My hero: Alan #Turing, by Alan Garner - http://bit.ly/uEhtNJ short, fine piece (v http://bit.ly/t0Css1) | Nov 13 19:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody A Dystopian Future Is Not Inevitable - http://bit.ly/scer7k I can't help feeling this anti-tech backlash is being drummed ... | Nov 13 19:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @schestowitz Steve Ballmer and His Wife Connie Join Gates and Co. in Their Crusade Against Public Education http://is.gd/627Yc9 #pr # ... | Nov 13 19:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Over Half of All U.S. Tax Subsidies Go to Four Industries. Guess Which Ones? - http://bit.ly/ve8KSc absurd stuff | Nov 13 19:57 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Steve Ballmer and His Wife Connie Join Gates and Co. in Their Crusade Against Public Education | Techrights .::. Size~: 94.61 KB | Nov 13 19:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Over Half of All U.S. Tax Subsidies Go to Four Industries. Guess Which Ones? | ThinkProgress .::. Size~: 50.68 KB | Nov 13 19:58 |
| *DaemonFC is listening to Angry Chair by Alice In Chains on Dirt [Amarok] | Nov 13 20:02 | |
| DaemonFC | Ballmer is sitting on an angry chair | Nov 13 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | don't mention Google | Nov 13 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | and you may live | Nov 13 20:03 |
| *iophk has quit (Quit: Leaving.) | Nov 13 20:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @xface any new music i buy is direct from artist, or via jamendo | Nov 13 20:06 | |
| schestowitz | What's the angry chair? | Nov 13 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Nov 13 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | latest dirty trick | Nov 13 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | packed a bunker full of suicide bombers | Nov 13 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Ballmr is a toll for playing musical chairs | Nov 13 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | they pull up to it, blow up the bunker, and a dozen suicide bombers run out and blow up their tanks | Nov 13 20:06 |
| schestowitz | You invited him in after the music stops | Nov 13 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 13 20:07 |
| schestowitz | And then put it back in the cage | Nov 13 20:07 |
| schestowitz | you rascal you.. | Nov 13 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | it gets better | Nov 13 20:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Thanks to Scott, I got to visit "Occupy Oakland". Pix to be uploaded soon. | Nov 13 20:11 | |
| DaemonFC | if anything survives and presses on, there are mines behind the bunker | Nov 13 20:11 |
| MinceR | whoa, i didn't know HTC owned S3 | Nov 13 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | and if they get that far they'll be fired on by the mortar I hide behind my command center that they didn't see | Nov 13 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 20:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Are Americans getting dumber? | Psychology Today - #usa #nwo #education http://goo.gl/zCRsZ | Nov 13 20:16 | |
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| DaemonFC | apparently HTC is a member of the OIN | Nov 13 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | that means Mesa is free to use s3tc if HTC does own the patent | Nov 13 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | AMD is also claiming they own it | Nov 13 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | and Intel claims the patent is invalid | Nov 13 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | this could be another afio | Nov 13 20:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Boarding SQ15. Home here I come. | Nov 13 20:17 | |
| DaemonFC | source code stolen and sneakily masked as GPL but so old that nobody knows who owns it because it dates back to a company that got bought that got bought that got bought from the 1980s | Nov 13 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | of course in the s3tc case ,the mesa code is totally original and freely licensed | Nov 13 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | but nobody knows for sure who owns the patent or if it's even valid | Nov 13 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | but how we got here is the same case as afio | Nov 13 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | patents and copyrights assigned to companies sometimes get shuffled around and misplaced like that | Nov 13 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | some company that buys a company that has a copyright or patent might not even know or care | Nov 13 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | and over the course of years, that patent or copyright is still out there and valid but nobody knows who owns it | Nov 13 20:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ovigia If Bill Gates gets hold of the american public school system, surely they will be a lot dumber in the next years. | Nov 13 20:21 | |
| DaemonFC | the odds of someone coming forward from Kodak or Sun or the other half dozen companies that might own afio code from the 1980s is small | Nov 13 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | but Fedora won't package it | Nov 13 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not even sure why afio is still around given that I have yet to see anything it does that cpio does not | Nov 13 20:22 |
| *DaemonFC is listening to Human After All by Daft Punk on Human After All [Amarok] | Nov 13 20:34 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 13 20:34 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Too early. Dammit. Half my age. http://ur1.ca/5stme | Nov 13 20:54 | |
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| schestowitz | Hi XFaCE | Nov 13 20:56 |
| XFaCE | hi schestowitz | Nov 13 20:58 |
| XFaCE | How's your day so far? | Nov 13 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | > I could recommend OpenBSD privately with a clear conscience to someone | Nov 13 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | > I know will not install those non-free programs, but it is rare that I | Nov 13 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | > am asked for such recommendations, and I know of no practical reason | Nov 13 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | > to prefer OpenBSD to gNewSense. | Nov 13 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | Here is one, the code isn't bloated and doesn't mostly suck. I find it | Nov 13 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | unethical to recommend a steaming pile of crap to someone. | Nov 13 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Nov 13 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | XFaCE: ok | Nov 13 21:03 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Gnewsense is old... | Nov 13 21:06 |
| schestowitz | daemon is offline | Nov 13 21:06 |
| schestowitz | i.e. dead | Nov 13 21:06 |
| schestowitz | better old than dead | Nov 13 21:06 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: You don't agree with the Who? | Nov 13 21:08 |
| schestowitz | the WHO? >: | Nov 13 21:18 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 13 21:18 |
| schestowitz | WHO YOU SAY!! | Nov 13 21:18 |
| schestowitz | so anyway, what's new? | Nov 13 21:26 |
| schestowitz | I don't have nw posts lined up | Nov 13 21:26 |
| schestowitz | and work is slow tonight.. | Nov 13 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Tomorrow I have a friend coming over, have to try and fit some time out too before other duties... | Nov 13 21:26 |
| XFaCE | What's up? Studing and stuff | Nov 13 21:38 |
| XFaCE | *Studying | Nov 13 21:38 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Have fun | Nov 13 21:40 |
| schestowitz | heh | Nov 13 21:41 |
| schestowitz | "Or, "You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you're all the same." " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/802951 | Nov 13 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Nov 13 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Good one | Nov 13 21:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 13 21:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @Tuinslak voor de verandering | Nov 13 21:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @harkor w3fools | Nov 13 21:47 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2011/11/do-you-censor-yourself-on-twitter-and-facebook.html | Nov 13 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | XFaCE: what do you study again? | Nov 13 22:08 |
| schestowitz | was it management or something? | Nov 13 22:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/201144/7809/Op-Ed-Gasp-The-CIA-uses-open-source-intelligence | Nov 13 22:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Op-Ed: Gasp! The CIA uses open-source intelligence! - Security .::. Size~: 32.67 KB | Nov 13 22:09 |
| schestowitz | They give a bad name to "open-source" | Nov 13 22:09 |
| schestowitz | again. | Nov 13 22:09 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Marketing | Nov 13 22:10 |
| schestowitz | So that's why you're a perfectionist in composition.. | Nov 13 22:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/greg-dekoenigsberg-joins-eucalyptus-as-vice-president-of-community-2011-11-07 | Nov 13 22:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Greg DeKoenigsberg Joins Eucalyptus as Vice President of Community - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 81.57 KB | Nov 13 22:13 |
| schestowitz | greg rocks! | Nov 13 22:13 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 13 22:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Gitso Reverses #VNC Connections, Makes Helping Others Easier [Cross Platform] - #tips #flosstools http://goo.gl/14tSb | Nov 13 22:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @morloca: 'How to cite #datasets and link to publications', a guide for #researchers, #repository manage http://p.ost.im/p/eBA87P | Nov 13 22:37 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 13 22:37 |
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| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Gnewsense is old... | Nov 13 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | Gnewsense | Nov 13 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | "We deleted GLX because it wasn't free enough" | Nov 13 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | herpa derp derp | Nov 13 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | "and all the firmware for everything you own" | Nov 13 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | herp derp | Nov 13 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | what does it actually run on? | Nov 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | on drep burp | Nov 13 22:49 |
| schestowitz | So there ya go, Mister Farmerson | Nov 13 22:50 |
| cubezzz | I think someone needs LFS :) | Nov 13 22:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @donatelladr: resigning is not enough.i will be happy only when #berlusconi goes to jail and i will see a country free from corruption | Nov 13 22:56 | |
| DaemonFC | https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?32954 | Nov 13 22:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: gNewSense GNU/Linux - Bugs: bug #32954, Konqueror redirects to... [Savannah] .::. Size~: 27.76 KB | Nov 13 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | They're not very bright | Nov 13 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | the website you're visiting says that's where the plug-in for the content type is at | Nov 13 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | so Konqueror follows it, as it should do | Nov 13 23:01 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: I think most jsut use Trisquel now | Nov 13 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | +1 | Nov 13 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?33695 | Nov 13 23:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: gNewSense GNU/Linux - Bugs: bug #33695, Konqueror suggests non-free... [Savannah] .::. Size~: 23.96 KB | Nov 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Miguel GMS/Linux | Nov 13 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | "The Web browser Konqueror shows a "Conquer your Desktop" overview page when it starts. On it is a link to "Specifications". That page has links to download pages of non-free software: Adobe Flash, Realplayer, Blackdown Java [1] and Sun Java [2]." | Nov 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz | GNOME/Microsoft/Linux | Nov 13 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | Blackdown ceased to exist in 2007 | Nov 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Like Trisquel without the tris | Nov 13 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | why is Konqueror mentioning it? | Nov 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Conquer your Conquer while you Conquer with Konqueror. Su Dawg? | Nov 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: so which version of Windows did you boot into today? /sarcasm | Nov 13 23:05 |
| schestowitz | IIRC your dad uses kubuntu now, so long openeuse | Nov 13 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Mine uses PCLOS | Nov 13 23:06 |
| schestowitz | KDE | Nov 13 23:06 |
| XFaCE | Noob! | Nov 13 23:06 |
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| XFaCE | lol j/k | Nov 13 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Word! | Nov 13 23:08 |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: Excellent! | Nov 13 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Word up! | Nov 13 23:15 |
| schestowitz | anyhoo, let's see some news | Nov 13 23:15 |
| schestowitz | I'm trying to get some more computer power this week | Nov 13 23:15 |
| schestowitz | maybe some leased | Nov 13 23:15 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, you getting a mainframe? :) | Nov 13 23:15 |
| schestowitz | it would be cheaper to use the labs overnight, on idle machines | Nov 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: no way, far too expensive | Nov 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz | I think you have one, but an ancient one | Nov 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz | IBM (1970): look you can play PACMAN on it!! In 2D | Nov 13 23:16 |
| cubezzz | not me, but a couple folks on #classiccmp have them | Nov 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz | IBM sells loans now | Nov 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz | for mainframes | Nov 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, some have like 30,000 or 300,000 cores | Nov 13 23:17 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, you could probably get a used one for $8K | Nov 13 23:17 |
| schestowitz | I think they can even run Vista | Nov 13 23:17 |
| cubezzz | depends how old it is | Nov 13 23:17 |
| schestowitz | I don't think I have the power supply | Nov 13 23:17 |
| schestowitz | or the ventilation | Nov 13 23:17 |
| schestowitz | yesterday i operated some blades | Nov 13 23:18 |
| schestowitz | far smaller | Nov 13 23:18 |
| schestowitz | one has 20 cores | Nov 13 23:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tomsguide.com/us/CIA-Twitter-Facebook-spying-government,news-13098.html | Nov 13 23:19 |
| cubezzz | all I have re: mainframe is the hercules emulator running 3090 | Nov 13 23:19 |
| cubezzz | so 80's mainframe < decent PC | Nov 13 23:20 |
| schestowitz | So it's more like Hercules on laxitives | Nov 13 23:20 |
| cubezzz | maxed out IBM 4381 would have 64 megs of ram | Nov 13 23:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/exxonmobil-develops-software-standards-devkit-2011-11-08 | Nov 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Exxon standards LOL | Nov 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | I don't wanna know! | Nov 13 23:27 |
| Faither | ello schestowitz | Nov 13 23:27 |
| Faither | neither do i ^^ | Nov 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: that could hold like... a Web browser! | Nov 13 23:27 |
| cubezzz | bah, programs are just memory hogs now | Nov 13 23:28 |
| schestowitz | on a mainframe maxed out | Nov 13 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Faither: how are you mate? | Nov 13 23:28 |
| Faither | much better than the past few days, thx, how are you? | Nov 13 23:28 |
| schestowitz | I tend to think identica is dying and by the looks of it, FOSS tweeterer are not getting much love either | Nov 13 23:28 |
| schestowitz | maybe I should focus more on posting in techrights | Nov 13 23:29 |
| schestowitz | and in diaspora, digg.. | Nov 13 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Evan kind of helped G+ kill identica | Nov 13 23:29 |
| cubezzz | everyone's at the mall | Nov 13 23:29 |
| cubezzz | being a consumer | Nov 13 23:29 |
| schestowitz | hehe | Nov 13 23:29 |
| Faither | identi.ca took a harsh beating after g+ started and the upgrade to 1.0 | Nov 13 23:29 |
| schestowitz | doing what they're told | Nov 13 23:29 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: that's what life is about | Nov 13 23:29 |
| schestowitz | collect stuff | Nov 13 23:30 |
| schestowitz | then die | Nov 13 23:30 |
| schestowitz | keave people stuff they don't value | Nov 13 23:30 |
| cubezzz | collecting old computer's is fun | Nov 13 23:30 |
| schestowitz | repeat (with 3+ children) | Nov 13 23:30 |
| Faither | cubezzz: if you have too much room xD | Nov 13 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Faither: and the technical isuses | Nov 13 23:30 |
| schestowitz | 1.0 being weird aside | Nov 13 23:30 |
| cubezzz | having fun rewatching my old 1988 Star Trek NG tapes | Nov 13 23:31 |
| cubezzz | complete with 1988 commercials | Nov 13 23:31 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: do your computers love you bacjk (like pets)? | Nov 13 23:31 |
| schestowitz | I mean, do they curl themselves around your legs and purr? | Nov 13 23:31 |
| cubezzz | no, I'd need a cat for that | Nov 13 23:31 |
| schestowitz | naaa.. | Nov 13 23:32 |
| schestowitz | vet choes | Nov 13 23:32 |
| schestowitz | *chores | Nov 13 23:32 |
| Faither | oauth also stopped working for me | Nov 13 23:32 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 13 23:32 |
| schestowitz | and in twitter it ruined our bot's access | Nov 13 23:32 |
| schestowitz | I think microblogs are GRADUALLY falling | Nov 13 23:32 |
| schestowitz | every social media has a generation of a few years | Nov 13 23:32 |
| schestowitz | like reddit and digg | Nov 13 23:32 |
| schestowitz | now it seems to be tumblr, g+, fb, etc. | Nov 13 23:33 |
| schestowitz | even linkedin is climbing fast | Nov 13 23:33 |
| schestowitz | myspace is nailed | Nov 13 23:33 |
| schestowitz | geocities dead | Nov 13 23:33 |
| schestowitz | livejournal is almost deadjournal | Nov 13 23:33 |
| schestowitz | and blogspot is a spam magnet | Nov 13 23:33 |
| cubezzz | we still have usenet | Nov 13 23:34 |
| schestowitz | blogger is hardly used by Google | Nov 13 23:34 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: hardly | Nov 13 23:34 |
| schestowitz | usenet is dying | Nov 13 23:34 |
| schestowitz | been dying for years | Nov 13 23:34 |
| cubezzz | good for flame wars no? | Nov 13 23:34 |
| Faither | and warez xd | Nov 13 23:34 |
| schestowitz | google took over it | Nov 13 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Faither: pacman ftw | Nov 13 23:34 |
| schestowitz | ArchLinux | Nov 13 23:34 |
| cubezzz | usenet was big in the early 90's | Nov 13 23:35 |
| schestowitz | then came www | Nov 13 23:35 |
| cubezzz | 20 years ago :-P | Nov 13 23:35 |
| schestowitz | and with it the trolls | Nov 13 23:35 |
| Faither | :-þ | Nov 13 23:35 |
| Faither | damn dial-up modem times were fun xD | Nov 13 23:35 |
| cubezzz | there's FPGA pacman now schestowitz | Nov 13 23:35 |
| schestowitz | google groups lowers the barrier of entrance for trolls | Nov 13 23:35 |
| cubezzz | even in the early 90's there were trools | Nov 13 23:37 |
| cubezzz | trolls | Nov 13 23:37 |
| cubezzz | nothing new | Nov 13 23:37 |
| cubezzz | even in the 80's | Nov 13 23:37 |
| cubezzz | except back then it was slower :) | Nov 13 23:37 |
| schestowitz | they used a time machine | Nov 13 23:38 |
| cubezzz | I kind of miss C-net | Nov 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | CNET? | Nov 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | or something else? | Nov 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | It was one of the early tecn sites | Nov 13 23:38 |
| Faither | I only started using the internet in the mid 90'ies | Nov 13 23:39 |
| cubezzz | in the old days we had pyroto mountain and C-net | Nov 13 23:39 |
| Faither | so i don't know about any trolling that predates that | Nov 13 23:39 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/11/firefox-8-released-with-integrated-twitter-search-other-improvements.ars | Nov 13 23:39 |
| cubezzz | Faither, you used the Amiga/Atari wars | Nov 13 23:40 |
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| Faither | if twitter search is an improvement god help us all xD | Nov 13 23:40 |
| Faither | cubezzz: shhh xD | Nov 13 23:40 |
| cubezzz | almost as intelligent as the vi/emacs wars | Nov 13 23:40 |
| cubezzz | or maybe less | Nov 13 23:40 |
| cubezzz | you missed... | Nov 13 23:41 |
| cubezzz | ok, c-net was this: | Nov 13 23:42 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-Net_DS2 | Nov 13 23:42 |
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| Faither | My father got a modem for his pentium 75 MHz running windows 95 | Nov 13 23:42 |
| cubezzz | basically a BBS for c64's | Nov 13 23:42 |
| Faither | those were my first online experiences | Nov 13 23:42 |
| cubezzz | well modems go farther back than that | Nov 13 23:43 |
| Faither | I've been watching btx 'online banking' even earlier though | Nov 13 23:43 |
| Faither | but i wasn't allowed to use a computer back then xD | Nov 13 23:44 |
| Faither | at least not the one with modems xD | Nov 13 23:44 |
| cubezzz | the smartmodem from Hayes was kind of the start, but there were modems before that even | Nov 13 23:44 |
| cubezzz | the 103A acoutisc couplers | Nov 13 23:45 |
| cubezzz | acoustic | Nov 13 23:45 |
| cubezzz | then later on we got those horrible winmodems | Nov 13 23:46 |
| schestowitz | from companies that didn't exist for long | Nov 13 23:47 |
| schestowitz | just a brand that put a name on a reused design from a fab in China | Nov 13 23:48 |
| cubezzz | U.S. Robotics is still in business though | Nov 13 23:48 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 13 23:48 |
| schestowitz | but this was 'the' name back then | Nov 13 23:48 |
| Faither | i remember those ^^ | Nov 13 23:48 |
| schestowitz | It always made me think of Robocop | Nov 13 23:48 |
| schestowitz | US... police state.. robots | Nov 13 23:48 |
| cubezzz | packet radio is even slower than a modem | Nov 13 23:49 |
| cubezzz | but it's totally free as in beer | Nov 13 23:49 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: I still have my first Pentium | Nov 13 23:49 |
| schestowitz | 266Mhz | Nov 13 23:50 |
| cubezzz | old x86 stuff is just not collectible | Nov 13 23:50 |
| schestowitz | 32 mb of ram | Nov 13 23:50 |
| Faither | schestowitz: i trashed mine when I moved )= | Nov 13 23:50 |
| cubezzz | but I have a few boards still | Nov 13 23:50 |
| schestowitz | expanded from 16 :-) | Nov 13 23:50 |
| schestowitz | for my 14th birthday IIRC | Nov 13 23:50 |
| Faither | That's when I bought my 1st PC also xD | Nov 13 23:50 |
| schestowitz | arch PC | Nov 13 23:51 |
| schestowitz | ARCH ARCH ARCH ARCH ... OUCH! | Nov 13 23:51 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, I still think of Pentium as "new" | Nov 13 23:51 |
| schestowitz | hehe | Nov 13 23:51 |
| schestowitz | overpowered | Nov 13 23:51 |
| cubezzz | old is like CP/M era or before | Nov 13 23:51 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Arch is neat | Nov 13 23:51 |
| schestowitz | for bouncing/rotating cubes | Nov 13 23:51 |
| cubezzz | 386 is middle ages | Nov 13 23:51 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: something totally unrelated: AES or PGP? | Nov 13 23:51 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: we have an arch guru in das haus | Nov 13 23:52 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: you tried it? | Nov 13 23:52 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Err, your house? | Nov 13 23:52 |
| XFaCE | Yes I have | Nov 13 23:52 |
| schestowitz | nope | Nov 13 23:52 |
| schestowitz | not mein haus | Nov 13 23:52 |
| XFaCE | Oh, the channel is a house, and I'm a "guru" | Nov 13 23:52 |
| schestowitz | no | Nov 13 23:52 |
| schestowitz | stefan is | Nov 13 23:52 |
| schestowitz | he invented arch | Nov 13 23:52 |
| schestowitz | in his bedroom | Nov 13 23:53 |
| *schestowitz ducks | Nov 13 23:53 | |
| Faither | lol i wish i had xD | Nov 13 23:53 |
| XFaCE | The original Canadian founder? | Nov 13 23:53 |
| cubezzz | weren't they all? | Nov 13 23:53 |
| XFaCE | lol | Nov 13 23:53 |
| XFaCE | All canadian you mean? | Nov 13 23:53 |
| Faither | yes Arch is from Cannada | Nov 13 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Vector is Canadian IIRC | Nov 13 23:53 |
| cubezzz | no, invented in someone's bedroom | Nov 13 23:53 |
| XFaCE | Vector is major meh | Nov 13 23:53 |
| cubezzz | vector? | Nov 13 23:53 |
| schestowitz | OpenBSD is canadian | Nov 13 23:53 |
| cubezzz | as in vector linux? | Nov 13 23:53 |
| XFaCE | yeha | Nov 13 23:54 |
| cubezzz | ah, I use that a lot | Nov 13 23:54 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: yus! | Nov 13 23:54 |
| XFaCE | There is also Peanut Linux ala aLinux | Nov 13 23:54 |
| XFaCE | another Canadian distro | Nov 13 23:54 |
| XFaCE | ClearOS | Nov 13 23:54 |
| XFaCE | GhostBSD | Nov 13 23:54 |
| cubezzz | wow, there's a lot of Canadian distros | Nov 13 23:54 |
| XFaCE | And... Xandros | Nov 13 23:54 |
| schestowitz | isn't clearos from NZ? | Nov 13 23:54 |
| cubezzz | slitaz is swiss | Nov 13 23:54 |
| schestowitz | xandros is dead | Nov 13 23:54 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: yeha | Nov 13 23:54 |
| XFaCE | To Xandros being dead | Nov 13 23:54 |
| schestowitz | and it comes from a NY-based something | Nov 13 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/11/12/1738201/judge-makes-divorcing-couple-swap-facebook-passwords | Nov 13 23:55 |
| schestowitz | I think corel was not Canadian, was it? | Nov 13 23:55 |
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| cubezzz | Corel Corp was Canadian | Nov 13 23:55 |
| XFaCE | http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=clearos | Nov 13 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: this is nes? | Nov 13 23:55 |
| schestowitz | news? | Nov 13 23:55 |
| XFaCE | "Origin: Canada" | Nov 13 23:55 |
| schestowitz | News for Geeks: Judge farts on podium | Nov 13 23:55 |
| XFaCE | Corel is a another sad Canadian story | Nov 13 23:55 |
| cubezzz | damn, I'm running two different Canadian distros | Nov 13 23:55 |
| cubezzz | what are the odds of that | Nov 13 23:55 |
| XFaCE | cubezzz: OpenBSD and... | Nov 13 23:55 |
| cubezzz | Vector Linux | Nov 13 23:56 |
| schestowitz | I thought cleaos foundation was in NZ | Nov 13 23:56 |
| schestowitz | they contacted me IIRC | Nov 13 23:56 |
| schestowitz | In VictorLinux, spamassassin packsages YOU! | Nov 13 23:56 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Well, itdoesn't say where the foundation is, but it certainly is a Canadian (born) distro | Nov 13 23:57 |
| XFaCE | so hah | Nov 13 23:57 |
| cubezzz | Redhat's american | Nov 13 23:57 |
| XFaCE | Vector has mono. | Nov 13 23:57 |
| cubezzz | I don't think vector classic has mono | Nov 13 23:58 |
| cubezzz | which is what I'm running | Nov 13 23:58 |
| XFaCE | http://distrowatch.com/search.php?category=All&origin=Canada&basedon=All¬basedon=None&desktop=All&architecture=All&status=Active | Nov 13 23:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. .::. Size~: 78.07 KB | Nov 13 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > Any time spent watching some numbers can instead be spent writing an | Nov 13 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > insightful post, knowing that more than 1 person will read it. :-) | Nov 13 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Nov 13 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > ---------------- | Nov 13 23:58 |
| XFaCE | bbl | Nov 13 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > Yes, I agree. When you're right you're right. I'm done with watching. | Nov 13 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Nov 13 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > ---------------- | Nov 13 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > I had an old boss who used to love to watch the expression on people's faces | Nov 13 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > when he told them, "You're seldom right, but this time you are mistaken." | Nov 13 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > Hahaha. | Nov 13 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Nov 13 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > ----------------- | Nov 13 23:58 |
| schestowitz | k | Nov 13 23:58 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: mono is a Microsoft intrusion vector | Nov 13 23:59 |
| schestowitz | [23:57] <cubezzz> Redhat's american | Nov 13 23:59 |
| schestowitz | IIRC: | Nov 13 23:59 |
| Faither | "You're seldom right, but this time you are mistaken." nice ^^ | Nov 13 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | one of the founders may be originally from Canada? I might confuse him with another | Nov 13 23:59 |
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