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| Faither | Your food didn't taste well but at least it wasn't plenty | Nov 14 00:00 |
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| Faither | damn i suck at translateing these days xD | Nov 14 00:00 |
| cubezzz | ah, Bob Young was born in Ontario Canada | Nov 14 00:00 |
| cubezzz | so yes | Nov 14 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Ya! | Nov 14 00:00 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Young_(businessman) | Nov 14 00:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bob Young (businessman) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 38.6 KB | Nov 14 00:00 |
| schestowitz | "Robert "Bob" Young is an entrepreneur who made a great deal of money from Red Hat software. He was born in Ancaster, Ontario, Canada.[1] He attended Trinity College School in Port Hope, Ontario. He received a Bachelor of Arts from Victoria College at the University of Toronto." | Nov 14 00:01 |
| cubezzz | Port Hope even | Nov 14 00:01 |
| cubezzz | he made some bucks | Nov 14 00:02 |
| schestowitz | So the biggest Linux company was made by a Canucks | Nov 14 00:02 |
| cubezzz | I have a some stock too :) | Nov 14 00:02 |
| cubezzz | well it's encouraging, we have made great progress since 1995 | Nov 14 00:03 |
| cubezzz | which I consider the low point of the dark ages of computing | Nov 14 00:03 |
| cubezzz | 1995-2000 | Nov 14 00:03 |
| cubezzz | Xandros looks like it hasn't been updated in a while | Nov 14 00:05 |
| Faither | I think it's going to be interesting to see if innovation has to come to a full stop before someone in power finally realizes that patents and strict copy right on everything is a bad idea | Nov 14 00:06 |
| cubezzz | patens are fine | Nov 14 00:07 |
| cubezzz | just not software patents | Nov 14 00:07 |
| cubezzz | they do expire after 20 years | Nov 14 00:07 |
| cubezzz | e.g. anyone can make a Rubik's Cube | Nov 14 00:07 |
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| cubezzz | they just can't call it by the same name | Nov 14 00:07 |
| Faither | I know a company that lives off patents, by working around them | Nov 14 00:08 |
| cubezzz | so in 20 years from now... we should be in the clear re: software patents | Nov 14 00:09 |
| Faither | your estimate? | Nov 14 00:09 |
| cubezzz | yes, maybe even 15 years | Nov 14 00:09 |
| Faither | If the US keeps pusing things like ACTA and protect IP and the sort I give it even less | Nov 14 00:10 |
| cubezzz | strict copyright is de facto over | Nov 14 00:13 |
| cubezzz | just not de jure | Nov 14 00:13 |
| cubezzz | anything transmitted over the net can be recorded | Nov 14 00:14 |
| cubezzz | even flash video has to get cached somewhere | Nov 14 00:15 |
| cubezzz | they try to hide it but... | Nov 14 00:15 |
| cubezzz | it's on your drive somewhere | Nov 14 00:15 |
| Faither | hehe I showed people how they can grab music they listend to on groove shark out of their browser's cache files xD | Nov 14 00:16 |
| Faither | they wouldn't believe me | Nov 14 00:17 |
| cubezzz | it caches it, it doesn't re-download it | Nov 14 00:17 |
| cubezzz | so it's there | Nov 14 00:17 |
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| Faither | that's why i never understood our law that downloading films was illegal but streaming them was/is fine | Nov 14 00:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techjournalsouth.com/2011/11/how-much-do-bugs-in-open-source-software-cost-infographic/ | Nov 14 00:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How much do bugs in open source software cost? (infographic) | TechJournal South .::. Size~: 35.26 KB | Nov 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | disinforgraphic | Nov 14 00:19 |
| Faither | ^^ | Nov 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Because -- you know -- proprietary softare NEVER HAD BUGS | Nov 14 00:19 |
| Faither | and never needed any maintanance | Nov 14 00:20 |
| schestowitz | and if it did, you could FIX EM YOURSELF :-) | Nov 14 00:20 |
| cubezzz | plus you can fix them when you can actually _see_ them | Nov 14 00:20 |
| cubezzz | exactly so | Nov 14 00:20 |
| schestowitz | or work around them | Nov 14 00:20 |
| schestowitz | [00:05] <cubezzz> Xandros looks like it hasn't been updated in a while | Nov 14 00:20 |
| schestowitz | it's dead | Nov 14 00:20 |
| schestowitz | las release 2007 iirc | Nov 14 00:20 |
| Faither | or actually see what's causing the problem in the first place | Nov 14 00:21 |
| cubezzz | heck, even closed source bugs can be fixed, its just a lot harder | Nov 14 00:21 |
| cubezzz | sometimes I even get source code just by asking for it | Nov 14 00:21 |
| Faither | cryptic BSOD messages ftw! | Nov 14 00:21 |
| cubezzz | you never know :) | Nov 14 00:21 |
| schestowitz | use a magnet | Nov 14 00:22 |
| schestowitz | change inodes | Nov 14 00:22 |
| schestowitz | hope for the best | Nov 14 00:22 |
| Faither | xD | Nov 14 00:22 |
| cubezzz | some company gives me source code reluctantly and later... | Nov 14 00:22 |
| cubezzz | there's an accident | Nov 14 00:22 |
| schestowitz | cubes collide | Nov 14 00:23 |
| cubezzz | I fix things by giving them the same code (slightly updated) back | Nov 14 00:23 |
| schestowitz | via FTP | Nov 14 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Cubix.cu | Nov 14 00:23 |
| Faither | Is this a derivative of rubic's? | Nov 14 00:24 |
| cubezzz | a lot of stuff gets lost | Nov 14 00:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW_BBp3FPMQ | Nov 14 00:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How to solve a Rubik's Cube (Part Two) - YouTube .::. Size~: 110.79 KB | Nov 14 00:26 |
| cubezzz | those videos really miss the point | Nov 14 00:26 |
| cubezzz | the idea is you figure it out, it's a puzzle | Nov 14 00:26 |
| schestowitz | It's like having a meal one ingredient at a time | Nov 14 00:28 |
| cubezzz | no insight | Nov 14 00:29 |
| Faither | reminds me of how our school system works these days | Nov 14 00:29 |
| Faither | who cares how it works as long as it does work | Nov 14 00:29 |
| cubezzz | well that's closed source software in a nutshell | Nov 14 00:30 |
| cubezzz | not to mention a mountain of dvd players that break after a few years due to cheap spindle motors | Nov 14 00:31 |
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| cubezzz | it's funny, some JVC VHS players from the late 1970's still work | Nov 14 00:33 |
| XFaCE | cubezzz: Mine from the late 80s don't :( | Nov 14 00:33 |
| Faither | because somewhere along the way someone realized that you can get a bigger revenue stream if you produce stuff that breaks easily | Nov 14 00:34 |
| cubezzz | yes, but computers with all socketed chips are easy to repair | Nov 14 00:34 |
| XFaCE | Faither: Read: regular printers | Nov 14 00:34 |
| cubezzz | dot matrix printers, thermal printers are pretty durable | Nov 14 00:35 |
| XFaCE | All the "consumer-level" printers I've used are featureful but break easiliy and don't last; POS | Nov 14 00:35 |
| cubezzz | my old panasonic still works :) | Nov 14 00:35 |
| cubezzz | not too hard to fix those | Nov 14 00:35 |
| cubezzz | I wouldn't even bother with a new printer | Nov 14 00:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Mozilla-wants-users-to-upgrade-to-latest-version-of-Firefox-1377234.html | Nov 14 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | pry it off my dead hands :-) | Nov 14 00:38 |
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| Faither | 24h d/c -.- | Nov 14 00:39 |
| cubezzz | which ISP? | Nov 14 00:39 |
| Faither | All german ISPs, using alice which was bought by o2 a few months ago | Nov 14 00:39 |
| cubezzz | let me test something... | Nov 14 00:41 |
| cubezzz | hmmm, didn't work too well | Nov 14 00:42 |
| Faither | hmm? | Nov 14 00:42 |
| cubezzz | Piotr Iljitsch Tchaikowsky - S�r�nade m�lancolique | Nov 14 00:42 |
| cubezzz | didn't handle the accents | Nov 14 00:42 |
| Faither | listening to classic music? | Nov 14 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Hmm.. I really need to take holidays.... 11 left till end of year... and only about 20 chances to use em | Nov 14 00:45 |
| cubefc1 | Faither, yes, Radio Swiss Classics | Nov 14 00:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] RT @evan Ilya: sorry you won't get to see the social web federated. We're going to make it. Promise. | Nov 14 00:46 | |
| cubefc1 | sometimes the ICY info is in German, sometimes French | Nov 14 00:47 |
| Faither | could also be in italian | Nov 14 00:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] RT @evan Ilya: sorry you won't get to see the social web federated. We're going to make it. Promise. | Nov 14 00:47 | |
| Faither | Can someone please paraphrase this dent for me? | Nov 14 00:49 |
| schestowitz | lacks context, I think | Nov 14 00:50 |
| schestowitz | hmm.. just looked at the table again, seems like I can take the whole of December off, paid | Nov 14 00:51 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Fuck yeah! | Nov 14 00:51 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Come to Canada for the holiday! We drink Rickard's! | Nov 14 00:52 |
| Faither | schestowitz: you don't sound too thrilled about that xD | Nov 14 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Faither: have you tried http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/11/11/how-to-customize-chakra-2011-11/ | Nov 14 00:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How to customize Chakra 2011.11 .::. Size~: 111.11 KB | Nov 14 00:53 |
| schestowitz | It's based on your baby | Nov 14 00:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/11/11/chakra-edn-2011-11-review/ | Nov 14 00:54 |
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| XFaCE | Faither: What exactly is your relation to Arch? | Nov 14 00:54 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: I was in Montreal 9 years ago to meet my girlfriend | Nov 14 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Not been in .ca since | Nov 14 00:54 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Time to change that! Bring _goblin with ya. | Nov 14 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Faither: I need to find someone to cover for me | Nov 14 00:54 |
| schestowitz | I'll ask my colleague in Germany | Nov 14 00:54 |
| Faither | XFaCE: I keep spreading it and make everyone crazy about it ^^ | Nov 14 00:55 |
| schestowitz | She can swap | Nov 14 00:55 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Feminine Techrights? | Nov 14 00:55 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: he has no interest in Canada | Nov 14 00:55 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Thanks debbie downer... | Nov 14 00:55 |
| schestowitz | In fact, I don't think he travels abroad much, with yougn kids and all | Nov 14 00:55 |
| XFaCE | fair enough | Nov 14 00:55 |
| schestowitz | nothing to do with techrights | Nov 14 00:55 |
| schestowitz | my daytime job | Nov 14 00:56 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: ah, thought you were perhaps making a joke | Nov 14 00:56 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: I just want t'meet you guys in real life | Nov 14 00:56 |
| XFaCE | and that's the half-truth' | Nov 14 00:56 |
| Faither | would be great ^^ | Nov 14 00:57 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: maybe soon | Nov 14 00:57 |
| schestowitz | if there's a conference there or something | Nov 14 00:57 |
| schestowitz | or a nice girl | Nov 14 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Canada is far | Nov 14 00:57 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Will scout for you | Nov 14 00:58 |
| schestowitz | I have one good friend in toronto | Nov 14 00:58 |
| schestowitz | he was here for a month, went back two weeks ago | Nov 14 00:58 |
| schestowitz | he still needs to send me some photos he took here | Nov 14 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Flight tickets to toronto are about £400 return /minimum/ | Nov 14 00:59 |
| XFaCE | Faither: Hmm, what about ArchBang? | Nov 14 00:59 |
| Faither | XFaCE: what about it? | Nov 14 00:59 |
| schestowitz | ArchGod is better | Nov 14 00:59 |
| Faither | The thing i really love about arch is that you get exactly the system you want | Nov 14 01:00 |
| Faither | and nothing more or less so | Nov 14 01:00 |
| XFaCE | Faither: Time consuming though. | Nov 14 01:00 |
| XFaCE | Though no-less time consuming then a customized Debian | Nov 14 01:01 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Charka is too much KDE | Nov 14 01:02 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: So perfect for you | Nov 14 01:02 |
| Faither | chakra is all kde they even specially packaged gtk applications so you don't have to install any gtk libs | Nov 14 01:03 |
| Faither | or can't beacuse they aren't in the repos xD | Nov 14 01:03 |
| Faither | They took the hole gtk vs qt to a whole new level xD | Nov 14 01:04 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Nov 14 01:07 |
| schestowitz | I like! | Nov 14 01:07 |
| schestowitz | bnut what about GIMP? | Nov 14 01:07 |
| schestowitz | I never used krita | Nov 14 01:07 |
| schestowitz | I think | Nov 14 01:07 |
| XFaCE | Faither: I've read around about the lack of package signing but it still doesn't prevent me from considering Arch | Nov 14 01:07 |
| Faither | package signing is comming in pacman 4.0 | Nov 14 01:07 |
| XFaCE | Faither: Should I? (I know some asshole blew this out of proportion and treated the devs like shit) | Nov 14 01:07 |
| Faither | 60% of all packages are signed thus far | Nov 14 01:07 |
| Faither | and pacman 4.0 is in testing repo | Nov 14 01:08 |
| Faither | schestowitz: charka has gimp packaged up | Nov 14 01:08 |
| Faither | XFaCE: It's well worth it though imo, I set up once and just roll along while the next debian freeze will break the install and you'll spent more time in the long run re-installing your system | Nov 14 01:09 |
| XFaCE | Don't tell that to Diablo-D3 :) | Nov 14 01:10 |
| Faither | also you get the latest and greatest, if it's not in the official repository you can look in the AUR and without littering your system with make install because it uses your package manager | Nov 14 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Faither: qt-curve makes it look acceptable anyhow | Nov 14 01:15 |
| schestowitz | I remember how it used to look in kde 3.x... blech | Nov 14 01:16 |
| schestowitz | (in most distros) | Nov 14 01:16 |
| Faither | I think oxygen-gtk is sufficient to make it look acceptable these days | Nov 14 01:17 |
| Faither | Chakra's goal is to create the best possible KDE experience | Nov 14 01:18 |
| Faither | while somehow still follow the arch way | Nov 14 01:19 |
| Faither | +ing | Nov 14 01:19 |
| schestowitz | archGod | Nov 14 01:24 |
| schestowitz | because brang means something out of nothing /sarcasm | Nov 14 01:24 |
| schestowitz | and God is not something that comes out of nothing | Nov 14 01:25 |
| schestowitz | a bang is :-) | Nov 14 01:25 |
| schestowitz | I'm off to bed shortly | Nov 14 01:25 |
| schestowitz | too bored | Nov 14 01:25 |
| Faither | ^^ | Nov 14 01:25 |
| Faither | I really liked the idea of the god costume you had the other day and not showing up at the party bacause you "wore it" xD | Nov 14 01:26 |
| Faither | pure genious ^^ | Nov 14 01:26 |
| schestowitz | I didn't make that one up | Nov 14 01:29 |
| Faither | it was a quote? | Nov 14 01:29 |
| schestowitz | No | Nov 14 01:29 |
| schestowitz | From memory | Nov 14 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Paraphrased | Nov 14 01:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR showed me some cartoon about it in another one of our channels | Nov 14 01:29 |
| Faither | ah ^^ | Nov 14 01:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @jezra maybe you aren't | Nov 14 01:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] To Save Europe They Had To Kill Democracy - #eu #collapse #goldmansacksrepublic http://goo.gl/0zvhP | Nov 14 01:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] 11th Circuit affirms email exchange as contractual #copyright assignment, as discussed by @pchestek : http://ur1.ca/5sz5g !FSF | Nov 14 01:36 | |
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| XFaCE | so Faither, what about arch on a laptop? | Nov 14 01:53 |
| Faither | XFaCE: A laptop might be a bit more work as you'd also want to set up power saving properly | Nov 14 01:54 |
| XFaCE | Faither: hmm | Nov 14 01:55 |
| XFaCE | Faither: from the wiki, doesn't seem that bad | Nov 14 01:55 |
| Faither | the wiki of arch is great ^^ | Nov 14 01:55 |
| Faither | i've installed arch on a few laptops | Nov 14 01:56 |
| Faither | the only thing you shouldn't be afraid of is manually editing config files and getting to know your system | Nov 14 01:57 |
| XFaCE | Faither: what is the risk to the laptop while running in a default (before power config state) on ac power? | Nov 14 01:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Goldman Sachs International Advisor Mario Monti Is Italy's New Prime Minister | ZeroHedge #nwo #gsachsrepublic http://goo.gl/yIu7H | Nov 14 01:59 | |
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| Faither | XFaCE: I was only thinking of power preservance while unplugged which stock arch isn't the best at ^^ | Nov 14 02:00 |
| Faither | XFaCE: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewforum.php?id=31 might be of interest | Nov 14 02:04 |
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| Faither | XFaCE: and if all else fails, there's always the lively #archlinux channel | Nov 14 02:12 |
| XFaCE | Faither: ok | Nov 14 02:12 |
| Faither | oh one thing though, intel, nvidia or ati? ^^ | Nov 14 02:14 |
| Faither | gfx chip? | Nov 14 02:15 |
| XFaCE | intel | Nov 14 02:21 |
| XFaCE | The laptop I bought had best possible HW support in mind | Nov 14 02:21 |
| XFaCE | So Atheros wireless, Intel GMA, etc. | Nov 14 02:22 |
| Faither | ^^ | Nov 14 02:22 |
| XFaCE | Faither: Have you ever generated a gpg key? | Nov 14 02:23 |
| XFaCE | *gpgp | Nov 14 02:23 |
| Faither | XFaCE: i have | Nov 14 02:24 |
| XFaCE | Faither: how long did it take for you? | Nov 14 02:24 |
| Faither | it's been a while idk | Nov 14 02:26 |
| XFaCE | did it take a long time? | Nov 14 02:28 |
| Faither | not from what i can recall | Nov 14 02:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Ethan Allen. also the inventor of furniture stores. | Nov 14 02:29 | |
| XFaCE | Faither: thought so, thx | Nov 14 02:30 |
| XFaCE | bbs | Nov 14 02:31 |
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| amarsh04 | http://mailman.anu.edu.au/pipermail/link/2011-September/094938.html | Nov 14 02:34 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre 3.1.1-libre, 3.0.9-libre, 2.6.33.20-libre1, and 2.6.32.48-libre2 binaries for !gnewsense/mipsel !yeeloong now available | Nov 14 03:16 | |
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| XFaCE | cubezzz: I assume you are cubefc1 are two separate people, no? | Nov 14 03:42 |
| cubezzz | no, cubezzz and cubefc1 are the same person on two different computers | Nov 14 03:53 |
| XFaCE | why | Nov 14 03:55 |
| cubezzz | there's 3 computers connected to two monitors | Nov 14 03:56 |
| cubezzz | this way I can always see what's happening | Nov 14 03:57 |
| cubezzz | in irc | Nov 14 03:57 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @q4td: “Ours is the age which is proud of machines that think and suspicious of men who try to.” — Howard Mumford Jones #Q4TD !q | Nov 14 05:04 | |
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| hi ho | Nov 14 05:37 | |
| big damage control from Gates Foundation in Forbes this month | Nov 14 05:38 | |
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| Guest40070 | http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2011/11/02/the-second-coming-of-bill-gates/ | Nov 14 05:38 |
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| Guest40070 | With an name like that and a fine magazine like Forbes, you know it's hype to the max | Nov 14 05:39 |
| Guest40070 | his vaccine is nice but hardly ground breaking http://humanosphere.kplu.org/2011/10/three-reasons-not-to-get-too-excited-about-the-path-gates-glaxo-malaria-vaccine/ | Nov 14 05:40 |
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| Guest40070 | there's another vaccine that is promissing but it was found by another group by accident | Nov 14 05:40 |
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| DaemonFC | I was talking to my dad about the Occupy protesters | Nov 14 06:47 |
| DaemonFC | and the police units that assault them with batons, tasers, rubber bullets, and tear gas | Nov 14 06:47 |
| DaemonFC | I told him it's like the 1920s where people are protesting the corruption, peacefully, all they want is to put food on the table, and so the rich fatcats send in corrupt police officers and Pinkerton agents to beat them up and murder them | Nov 14 06:47 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] yay for insomnia. no sleep last night. haven't had a bout of this in a while. meh. | Nov 14 07:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] ... just like owning any other TLD, or a CA. | Nov 14 07:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] looking at porting liblasma2 from ThreadWeaver to plain QThread; QtConcurrent seems to require static func*'s which doesn't fit here :/ | Nov 14 07:52 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yeah | Nov 14 07:54 |
| schestowitz | I sae some videos from post-WS crash of 1929 | Nov 14 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Similar stuifff | Nov 14 07:54 |
| schestowitz | people congragating in the streets | Nov 14 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Police attacking them | Nov 14 07:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Open Hardware #FTW! Calibrated screens with Free Software! Me likes much! http://ur1.ca/5t8r4 | Nov 14 07:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Prerelease Review of Linux Mint 12 http://ur1.ca/5t8wb #linuxmint | Nov 14 08:06 | |
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| schestowitz | One if the diaspora developers died | Nov 14 08:11 |
| schestowitz | at 22 | Nov 14 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | people die everywhere, every day, and at every age | Nov 14 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 14 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | it's kind of built in to take for granted that we'll be here "forever" even when our maximum lifespan isn't that long | Nov 14 08:14 |
| schestowitz | yes, but I mention diaspoa | Nov 14 08:14 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/809316 | Nov 14 08:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 14 08:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #LinuxMint Standing Out In a Crowd http://ur1.ca/5t985 #gnu #linux | Nov 14 08:19 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux Mint: Standing Out In a Crowd (Review & Screenshots) | xjonquilx | Sabayon, Ubuntu, Fedora, Oh My! .::. Size~: 96.97 KB | Nov 14 08:19 |
| DaemonFC | I hate Steam | Nov 14 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing worse than Steam on Windows is trying to run Steam under Wine | Nov 14 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | it adds a needless layer of bugs and overhead to the game | Nov 14 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | to provide a DRM platform | Nov 14 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | -me (on the topic of when I'll buy Skyrim) | Nov 14 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | "I'll wait for it to work better, and without Steam" | Nov 14 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | I take that back, the only thing worse than trying to run Steam on Wine is when you use the non-Steam version of Bethesda's Fallout 3 and it needs an XBOX Live For Windows runtime for no reason at all (which amusingly, crashes the game under Windows 7 until you go get a patch for the stupid needless bullshit that has no business being there anyway) | Nov 14 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 14 08:25 |
| schestowitz | http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/archives/2011/11/14/lower-taxes/ | Nov 14 08:25 |
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| DaemonFC | "But that might also be in the Steam version, I wouldn't know because I hate Steam" | Nov 14 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 14 08:26 |
| schestowitz | It's funny how this guy speaks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQLCHiDxUw0&feature=player_embedded | Nov 14 08:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.foxcrawl.com/2011/11/14/photo-ilya-zhitomirskiy-died-at-21/ | Nov 14 08:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Photo: Ilya Zhitomirskiy died at 21 » Foxcrawl.com .::. Size~: 29.39 KB | Nov 14 08:36 |
| schestowitz | Cause of death unknown | Nov 14 08:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85258522 | Nov 14 08:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 14-Nov-11 08:16:51 UTC - Identi.ca: How to make dmesg timestamp human readable http://ur1.ca/5t97f handy. | Nov 14 08:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: » Linuxaria – Everything about GNU/Linux and Open source How to make dmesg timestamp human readable .::. Size~: 97.47 KB | Nov 14 08:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 14/11/2011: Mint Previews, ACTA Secrecy http://ur1.ca/5t9q2 #techrights | Nov 14 08:41 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Links 14/11/2011: Mint Previews, ACTA Secrecy | Techrights .::. Size~: 118.83 KB | Nov 14 08:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Pidgin of death. Keeps crashing... ;-) Again my messenger hangs | Nov 14 08:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @cyberkiller: Wow! now this finally looks like a phone I could use! ;-) "install any OS" - yeah! #Geeksphone One http://ur1.ca/5t4ik | Nov 14 08:46 | |
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| DaemonFC | "The Weather Channel LLC has chosen open source master data management (MDM) tools from Talend over competing proprietary products from Microsoft Corp" | Nov 14 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | The Weather Channel also funded some of the earlier radeon open source driver support | Nov 14 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | r100-r200 stuff | Nov 14 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | you go through it and some of the copyrights say "2002 The Weather Channel" | Nov 14 08:52 |
| schestowitz | you can write code to use GPUs | Nov 14 08:53 |
| schestowitz | even for non-graphical stuff | Nov 14 08:53 |
| schestowitz | physics models | Nov 14 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | yes, there's a GalliumCompute | Nov 14 08:53 |
| schestowitz | where there are many recurring operations | Nov 14 08:53 |
| schestowitz | CUDA | Nov 14 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | but it's not really that useful at the moment | Nov 14 08:53 |
| schestowitz | But you need to recode it | Nov 14 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | it will implement OpenCL eventually | Nov 14 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | probably within the next 2-3 years, there will be usable open source OpenCL support | Nov 14 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'm more concerned with where OpenGL is since many things I use need OpenGL | Nov 14 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | but not that many use OpenCL | Nov 14 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | it will be nice to have | Nov 14 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | it's probably one of those chicken and the egg things | Nov 14 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | nobody uses it because it's not supported | Nov 14 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | there's little pressure to support it because not many people use it | Nov 14 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | CUDA, iirc, is an Nvidia thing | Nov 14 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | but so is vdpau and I use that just fine on my radeon card with r600g | Nov 14 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia also bought PhysX years back | Nov 14 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | SCOracle is so far behind the times when it comes to open source | Nov 14 08:57 |
| schestowitz | 500 Internal Server Error https://joindiaspora.com/ | Nov 14 08:57 |
| schestowitz | nginx/0.8.53 | Nov 14 08:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 500 Internal Server Error .::. Size~: 0.19 KB | Nov 14 08:57 |
| schestowitz | maybe iilya maintained it.. | Nov 14 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | they're still trying to make Open Core work when everything Open Core goes down in flames because nobody is buying (as in, believing) it | Nov 14 08:58 |
| schestowitz | 500 minutes of silence | Nov 14 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | Mozilla started out as an Open Core project ran by Netscape | Nov 14 08:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: one colleague of mine was in a startup intending to put graphical operations other than polygon rendering on chip | Nov 14 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | turned out more people were using Mozilla than Netscape because it was all the good bits without the Netscape garbage and advertising | Nov 14 08:59 |
| schestowitz | have you seen any 3-d accelerated sites? | Nov 14 08:59 |
| schestowitz | maybe google earth/street will be | Nov 14 08:59 |
| schestowitz | maps to exploit that | Nov 14 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | even though Mozilla binaries were flagged with this huge warning that they were not intended to be used by real people | Nov 14 08:59 |
| schestowitz | i am a REAL person :-( | Nov 14 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | Netscape polluting Mozilla with piles of crap had the unintended effect of making Mozilla a de facto end user product regardless of what they wanted to call it | Nov 14 09:00 |
| schestowitz | Harmon/Farmerson, you NOT a real man !! | Nov 14 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | they produced b inaries that were mostly to be beaten up by people and automated regression testing looking for bugs | Nov 14 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | like, everyone that used it was supposed to limit their use of it to further Netscape along | Nov 14 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | *binaries | Nov 14 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | I was talking about The Walking Dead earlier when my dad brought it up | Nov 14 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | I mentioned that the zombies overran the National Guard which left tons of good weapons laying around | Nov 14 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | so I wonder why the characters in the show are going around with revolvers and such | Nov 14 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | if it was me, I'd go find an M-16 and a bunch of clips | Nov 14 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | maybe some grenades | Nov 14 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | rocket launchers, flame throwers | Nov 14 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't be running around with thousands of those damned things all around carrying a six shooter | Nov 14 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 14 09:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | s/a real man/the father of that child/ | Nov 14 09:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: btw, google maps is already webgl'ed. | Nov 14 09:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | but its still in alpha and not available to everyone yet | Nov 14 09:07 |
| DaemonFC | and another thing, how can there be so many of them in Atlanta? | Nov 14 09:08 |
| DaemonFC | one of the scenes from the show showed US military helicopters dropping napalm on every street trying to contain them | Nov 14 09:08 |
| DaemonFC | I'm pretty sure that would have incinerated not only any zombies down there, but all the humans too | Nov 14 09:09 |
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| DaemonFC | and would have burned the city to the ground | Nov 14 09:09 |
| DaemonFC | (but most of it is shown as more or less intact) | Nov 14 09:09 |
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| DaemonFC | little discontinuities ruin the whole thing if you think about it | Nov 14 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | also, all the streets and highways are gridlocked with cars belonging to people trying to flee in panic | Nov 14 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | but they get an in RV and just drive on out of the city? | Nov 14 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 14 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | and.......dead stuff tends to rot away | Nov 14 09:13 |
| DaemonFC | why don't the zombie corpses all decompose and fall over in a matter of weeks? :) | Nov 14 09:13 |
| *DaemonFC wants answers | Nov 14 09:13 | |
| iophk | What happened to Ilya Zhitomirskiy? | Nov 14 09:16 |
| schestowitz | Dead | Nov 14 09:17 |
| schestowitz | Cause unknown | Nov 14 09:17 |
| MinceR | geekings | Nov 14 09:17 |
| iophk | That's surprising. He was very young. | Nov 14 09:18 |
| schestowitz | And in good health on the looks of it | Nov 14 09:18 |
| iophk | How is Diaspora going to continue? | Nov 14 09:18 |
| schestowitz | *by | Nov 14 09:18 |
| schestowitz | The site has other developers | Nov 14 09:18 |
| iophk | Good | Nov 14 09:18 |
| schestowitz | I heard they have 175,000 members now | Nov 14 09:18 |
| schestowitz | And they have not even launched yet | Nov 14 09:18 |
| schestowitz | It's still in alpha and invite-only | Nov 14 09:18 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/809689 | Nov 14 09:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 14 09:19 |
| DaemonFC | I like how companies do that | Nov 14 09:19 |
| DaemonFC | it makes an infinite resource artificially scarce | Nov 14 09:19 |
| DaemonFC | creates curiosity | Nov 14 09:19 |
| DaemonFC | has people talking about it and bringing it up just to ask for an invite | Nov 14 09:20 |
| MinceR | it also reduces load on the servers temporarily :> | Nov 14 09:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Map Projections - http://bit.ly/vZqxPF one reason why #xkcd is so good: because Randall Munroe is so *knowledgeable* | Nov 14 09:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Perhaps The Copyright Industry Deserves Some Credit For Pointing Out Our Single Points Of Failure - http://bit.ly/ubExD2 important, pl. read | Nov 14 09:21 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/new-release-of-emesene-im-client/ | Nov 14 09:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: New Stable Release Of Linux MSN App ‘Emesene’ Available .::. Size~: 33.44 KB | Nov 14 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | They listed MSN twice | Nov 14 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 14 09:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] INTA chairman defends #ACTA secrecy - http://bit.ly/tzUAhY truly pathetic #transparency #eu | Nov 14 09:24 | |
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| schestowitz | There is something annoying in FTP/SCP in KDE | Nov 14 09:28 |
| schestowitz | It tends to try and preview stuff over these protocols/kio means | Nov 14 09:29 |
| schestowitz | And it opens many connections | Nov 14 09:29 |
| schestowitz | to the point where the server refuses access due to open connections | Nov 14 09:29 |
| schestowitz | in kde 3.0 I could tell it not to preview-generate over FTP | Nov 14 09:29 |
| schestowitz | Or other file transfer mechanisms that are safer | Nov 14 09:29 |
| schestowitz | in kde4 it seems to elude me | Nov 14 09:29 |
| schestowitz | and so a lot of the time you just fight with connection limits | Nov 14 09:30 |
| schestowitz | anyone else encountered this? | Nov 14 09:30 |
| schestowitz | Workaround? | Nov 14 09:30 |
| schestowitz | In dolphin it's sometims feeling worse than in konq | Nov 14 09:31 |
| schestowitz | It just needs to stop trying to open so many connections for previews, I cam't quite find the settings where they used to be | Nov 14 09:31 |
| MinceR | i stopped using kio when it went berserk and asked for login over sftp over and over until DenyHost locked me out | Nov 14 09:34 |
| MinceR | (it didn't wait for a response, just opened a few dozen password prompt windows) | Nov 14 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | herpa derp derp | Nov 14 09:35 |
| schestowitz | oh., cool... a diaspora talk near my house tomorrow | Nov 14 09:35 |
| schestowitz | just less than a mile away :-) | Nov 14 09:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How to fix academic publishing again already - http://bit.ly/twc5O4 this thing is going to blow soon... (v @CameronNeylon) #openaccess | Nov 14 09:36 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Science of the Invisible: How to fix academic publishing again already .::. Size~: 65.76 KB | Nov 14 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | every piece of software has its "What the hell is THIS!?!?" moments | Nov 14 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | some more than others | Nov 14 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | I liked the zombie apocalypse in Family Guy | Nov 14 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | "OMG, he ate Asian reporter Trisha Takanawa!" | Nov 14 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | "I know, right? He's just going to be hungry again in an hour!" | Nov 14 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 14 09:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] “3 to 5 Years You’ll Be Able to Get Power Cheaper from the Roof of Your House Than From the Grid” - http://bit.ly/tkz2Rx I can't wait | Nov 14 09:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laforge/@laforge] on my way to vienna for #deepsec2011 holding the traditional #gsm security workshop with dieter tomorrow and wednesday #deepsec | Nov 14 09:39 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Utility CEO on Solar: In "3 to 5 Years You’ll Be Able to Get Power Cheaper from the Roof of Your House Than From the Grid" | ThinkProgress .::. Size~: 58.93 KB | Nov 14 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | probably from "carbon tax" scams making the grid more expensive than solar | Nov 14 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | not solar getting more efficient or cost effective | Nov 14 09:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #WIPO to Launch New Annual Report - http://bit.ly/rNe0rb "how the innovation process has become more open, collaborative and international" | Nov 14 09:41 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: WIPO to Launch New Annual Report « Ideas in Development .::. Size~: 22.35 KB | Nov 14 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | it would be cheaper to run your home off a generator powered by burning wads of cash than to go solar | Nov 14 09:41 |
| MinceR | why don't you do that then? | Nov 14 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | because coal is cheap until the rich people use "carbon" as an excuse to kill off the poor with taxes they can afford or evade personally | Nov 14 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 14 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't stop pollution, it just makes poor people use less of "their" resources | Nov 14 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | more for them, less for you | Nov 14 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | if you complain, you're denying global warming and clubbing baby seals | Nov 14 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | it's the perfect setup | Nov 14 09:44 |
| MinceR | so, once they make coal more expensive than solar solely via taxes (as you say), do you plan to switch to cash power? :> | Nov 14 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | I'll find some rich people and burn them as fuel for my generator | Nov 14 09:46 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 14 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | it might work | Nov 14 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | I'll have to dry them out and soak them in kerosene to get them going | Nov 14 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | but it's sustainable | Nov 14 09:47 |
| MinceR | it would be cheaper to just burn the kerosene | Nov 14 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | not as fun though | Nov 14 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | why does it always have to be about money? | Nov 14 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 14 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | by sustainable I mean it won't cease to amuse me | Nov 14 09:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] #Swedish activist receives Nordic !FreeSoftware Award 2011 http://ur1.ca/5tbh2 @fscons | Nov 14 09:49 | |
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| DaemonFC | I don't know what kind of byproducts their bodies will release into the air | Nov 14 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | probably not as bad as them raping the environment for their own creature comforts | Nov 14 09:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] ♻ @cyberkiller: Wow! now this finally looks like a phone I could use! ;-) "install any OS" - yeah! #Geeksphone One http://ur1.ca/5t4ik | Nov 14 09:51 | |
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| MinceR | here's a hint: you can dry them out in the air and then you don't need kerosene | Nov 14 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | maybe use some of Rupert Murdochs newspapers to get them going then? | Nov 14 09:53 |
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| koolhead17 | schestowitz, http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/cities/chennai/boss-shut-out-windows-247 | Nov 14 09:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BOSS to shut out Windows | Deccan Chronicle .::. Size~: 54.61 KB | Nov 14 09:57 |
| koolhead17 | news of the day | Nov 14 09:57 |
| koolhead17 | :P | Nov 14 09:57 |
| schestowitz | kool! | Nov 14 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | vdpau seems to make Flash more temperamental than usual | Nov 14 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | but, it uses less CPU between crashes | Nov 14 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | *shrug* | Nov 14 10:00 |
| koolhead17 | he is the same guy who changed quotation last time in favor of MSFT | Nov 14 10:00 |
| koolhead17 | :P | Nov 14 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | shut out Windows | Nov 14 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | oh noez! | Nov 14 10:01 |
| iophk | Funny hyphenation in the words. The Web is not print. | Nov 14 10:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] ♻ Thanks Erik!! @fsfe: #Swedish activist receives Nordic !FreeSoftware Award 2011 http://ur1.ca/5tbh2 @fscons | Nov 14 10:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ballmer: Android “Just a Press Release” http://ur1.ca/5tbw7 USENET message from RonB | Nov 14 10:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] BOSS to shut out Windows http://ur1.ca/5tbwc #linux a #1 threat to Microsoft | Nov 14 10:02 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Swedish activist receives Nordic Free Software Award 2011 .::. Size~: 7.6 KB | Nov 14 10:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ballmer: Android “Just a Press Release” | Techrights .::. Size~: 89.31 KB | Nov 14 10:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BOSS to shut out Windows | Deccan Chronicle .::. Size~: 54.62 KB | Nov 14 10:03 |
| schestowitz | koolhead17: maybe he wants a discount | Nov 14 10:09 |
| schestowitz | let's see how Microsoft tried EDGI | Nov 14 10:10 |
| schestowitz | And the regulators whistle along | Nov 14 10:10 |
| schestowitz | Rmemeber: Microsoft is an exceptionally corrupt company, it doesn't take defeat well | Nov 14 10:10 |
| koolhead17 | schestowitz, +1 | Nov 14 10:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Diaspora talk tomorrow in Manchester (UK). http://is.gd/BAaD42 will probably be there, half a mile from my house. #foss #manchester | Nov 14 10:11 | |
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| schestowitz | atch this closely | Nov 14 10:11 |
| schestowitz | To keep on fire the feet of those whi can take the bribes | Nov 14 10:11 |
| koolhead17 | recernt story in my native state they are providing free training to school teachers | Nov 14 10:11 |
| koolhead17 | in order to push there shit | Nov 14 10:11 |
| koolhead17 | :P | Nov 14 10:11 |
| schestowitz | they need to know they're being watched | Nov 14 10:11 |
| schestowitz | So as not to help the imperialist thugs | Nov 14 10:11 |
| schestowitz | 'free' training | Nov 14 10:12 |
| schestowitz | Not free/freedom training | Nov 14 10:12 |
| schestowitz | How to sell MS consumerism | Nov 14 10:12 |
| schestowitz | I can give you 'free' training in how to sell my products | Nov 14 10:12 |
| schestowitz | It's not about freedom and there is a massive toll to externalities | Nov 14 10:13 |
| koolhead17 | schestowitz, that is what they are doing | Nov 14 10:13 |
| koolhead17 | :( | Nov 14 10:13 |
| schestowitz | MS was co-created by crook and master of spin Bill Gates | Nov 14 10:13 |
| schestowitz | They could call jail "Free" if they bribe enough papers as they do | Nov 14 10:13 |
| schestowitz | "Jail.... it's freedom from labour" | Nov 14 10:13 |
| schestowitz | "Work liberates" | Nov 14 10:13 |
| iophk | I would not give him credit for the spin, rather the PR firms which are hired on his behalf to make spin. | Nov 14 10:13 |
| schestowitz | "Free" clinical trials | Nov 14 10:13 |
| schestowitz | In India | Nov 14 10:14 |
| schestowitz | For GSK | Nov 14 10:14 |
| MinceR | just like "freedom from porn" | Nov 14 10:14 |
| schestowitz | If someone dies, oops... then we know we have more work to do | Nov 14 10:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: freedom from Stsve | Nov 14 10:14 |
| schestowitz | We got that now | Nov 14 10:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Anti-Piracy Group Asks Court To Order Grooveshark DNS Block - http://bit.ly/t3NqYG too lazy to use DMCA #denmark | Nov 14 10:14 | |
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| schestowitz | but his lawsuits remain | Nov 14 10:14 |
| schestowitz | Although Apple hardly wins those | Nov 14 10:14 |
| schestowitz | And the crminals from Redmond are being watched by regulators now, I hope.. | Nov 14 10:15 |
| schestowitz | [10:13] <iophk> I would not give him credit for the spin, rather the PR firms which are hired on his behalf to make spin. | Nov 14 10:15 |
| schestowitz | Ut's his willingness to hire those | Nov 14 10:15 |
| schestowitz | Like W-E | Nov 14 10:15 |
| schestowitz | Very close to him | Nov 14 10:15 |
| schestowitz | He surrounds himself with those liars | Nov 14 10:15 |
| schestowitz | And Ballmer is maried to one | Nov 14 10:15 |
| schestowitz | Connie Snyder | Nov 14 10:15 |
| schestowitz | I call her Con | Nov 14 10:15 |
| schestowitz | Her husband if the new Capone | Nov 14 10:15 |
| schestowitz | Digital age one | Nov 14 10:15 |
| schestowitz | See http://ur1.ca/5tbw7 | Nov 14 10:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ballmer: Android “Just a Press Release” | Techrights .::. Size~: 89.31 KB | Nov 14 10:16 |
| schestowitz | I'm going to write more to pressure for action and to have people realise that Microsoft is ebing a criminal operation, which it is | Nov 14 10:16 |
| schestowitz | Florian is upset that I associate with the crooks | Nov 14 10:16 |
| schestowitz | And now he tries to stir people up against me | Nov 14 10:17 |
| schestowitz | Refers to me as "roy" so that I don't notice while he does this in twitter | Nov 14 10:17 |
| schestowitz | Paid by MS | Nov 14 10:17 |
| schestowitz | Incites against Groklaw | Nov 14 10:17 |
| schestowitz | Like he did by playing Dana Blankenhorn | Nov 14 10:17 |
| schestowitz | Silencing those who call out MS crimes | Nov 14 10:17 |
| schestowitz | While MS is funding him | Nov 14 10:17 |
| schestowitz | So I called him "crook/charlatan" | Nov 14 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ind-teen-who-strangled-10-year-old-brother-admired-serial-killer-wants-life-sentence-reduced/2011/11/14/gIQAzj85JN_story.html | Nov 14 10:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ind. teen who strangled 10-year-old brother, admired serial killer wants life sentence reduced - The Washington Post .::. Size~: 111.21 KB | Nov 14 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | too bad they can't give him the death sentence | Nov 14 10:19 |
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| DaemonFC | there's no doubt what he did or if he did it | Nov 14 10:19 |
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| DaemonFC | he's not remorseful, he won't be rehabilitated | Nov 14 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | and he says he'd kill again if given the chance | Nov 14 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | but he's under 18 so he can't be sentenced to death | Nov 14 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | what a stupid law | Nov 14 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | of course he gets appeals, and with the activist judges, he now has the potential to be released again sometime in his 40s | Nov 14 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | what a farce | Nov 14 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | the US is turning into Europe | Nov 14 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | one piece at a time | Nov 14 10:22 |
| MinceR | europe is turning into the US | Nov 14 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | maybe the two are just merging | Nov 14 10:22 |
| MinceR | NWO | Nov 14 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | and taking the worst that each has to offer | Nov 14 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: If there's a perfect candidate for the death sentence, it's this guy | Nov 14 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | but since he was a few months shy of 18 when he strangled his 10 year old brother and became sexually excited while doing it | Nov 14 10:24 |
| MinceR | so he's not such a perfect candidate, after all :> | Nov 14 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | there's nothing they can do and he'll be out again in 20 years, free to do it all over again | Nov 14 10:24 |
| MinceR | not that i would mind | Nov 14 10:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Jak lubię @Palikot_Janusz za parę rzeczy, to z tym powinien coś szybko zrobić ur1.ca/5tcgl | Nov 14 10:24 | |
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| DaemonFC | this is the kind of bullshit that the court system gives us | Nov 14 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | they can't even give him life without parole | Nov 14 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | they have to offer him the "chance" of parole | Nov 14 10:25 |
| Brendan_T | DaemonFC: I hope you don't mean that. People should be rehabilitated, not punished or killed for sake of vengeance or whatever | Nov 14 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | oh, we have to let society face people like this a second time to be politically correct! | Nov 14 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | There are people beyond redemption | Nov 14 10:26 |
| MinceR | Brendan_T: how do you rehabilitate someone who doesn't want to be rehabilitated? | Nov 14 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | this is an example | Nov 14 10:26 |
| Brendan_T | try very hard | Nov 14 10:26 |
| MinceR | :D | Nov 14 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: It's a "fucking assembly line" | Nov 14 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | to quote that guy from Law Abiding Citizen | Nov 14 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | "I quote you a few bullshit legal precedents and you jump on it like a bitch in heat!" | Nov 14 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 14 10:27 |
| Brendan_T | killing someone doesn't really gain you much | Nov 14 10:27 |
| MinceR | actually it does | Nov 14 10:27 |
| MinceR | it keeps them from committing any crimes from that point | Nov 14 10:27 |
| MinceR | it keeps them from escaping from prison | Nov 14 10:28 |
| MinceR | it serves as an example to others | Nov 14 10:28 |
| Brendan_T | secure prisons keep people form escaping from prisons | Nov 14 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | it keeps them from killing other inmates too | Nov 14 10:28 |
| MinceR | it keeps them from consuming resources from that point | Nov 14 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | which might actually be salvaged someday | Nov 14 10:28 |
| schestowitz | give them jobs at prison | Nov 14 10:28 |
| MinceR | the main problem with the death penalty imo is that the legal system can make mistakes, and once you kill the guy, you can't fix those mistakes | Nov 14 10:28 |
| schestowitz | like making helmets | Nov 14 10:28 |
| MinceR | but in some cases there's no need to worry about that | Nov 14 10:29 |
| Brendan_T | them being a resource drain justifies killing them? | Nov 14 10:29 |
| schestowitz | death is painless | Nov 14 10:29 |
| MinceR | would you rather pay to keep them alive? | Nov 14 10:29 |
| schestowitz | and wasteful | Nov 14 10:29 |
| schestowitz | for people who are a-holes | Nov 14 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: How can you make a mistake when the person says "I did it, I'm glad I did it, and I will do it again if you give me the chance"? | Nov 14 10:29 |
| Brendan_T | yes | Nov 14 10:29 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: exactly. | Nov 14 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | is there any doubt at all at this point? | Nov 14 10:29 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: though i'd ask for a psychologists opinion too | Nov 14 10:29 |
| schestowitz | there are worse things than murder | Nov 14 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | they did | Nov 14 10:30 |
| schestowitz | Wall Street makes a killing every minute | Nov 14 10:30 |
| MinceR | (if he doesn't really mean it, or isn't aware what he's saying, etc.) | Nov 14 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | the psychologist said he is psychopathic | Nov 14 10:30 |
| schestowitz | Bush did too | Nov 14 10:30 |
| schestowitz | Cheney | Nov 14 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | like they needed them to say that | Nov 14 10:30 |
| schestowitz | The jail system is misused | Nov 14 10:30 |
| schestowitz | for petty crime | Nov 14 10:30 |
| schestowitz | Even murder is a petty crime compared to some which are admired rather than punished for | Nov 14 10:30 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 14 10:30 |
| schestowitz | The jail system became an obsolete joke that keeps victims of society mostly | Nov 14 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | "Oh really, it took you 6 years of college to tell me that a boy that choked his brother to death to get a sexual rush is a psychopath?" | Nov 14 10:31 |
| schestowitz | People on drugs | Nov 14 10:31 |
| MinceR | also remember that they punish copyright infringement more harshly than murder | Nov 14 10:31 |
| schestowitz | Cause they are marginalised | Nov 14 10:31 |
| schestowitz | Or sell drugs | Nov 14 10:31 |
| schestowitz | Cause they are broke | Nov 14 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | "I hope they didn't actually charge you for that degree Mr Fucking Know It All" | Nov 14 10:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] German #Copyright Group Tries To Collect From Creative Commons Event - http://bit.ly/tfGfhF the bullies strike again #entitlement #de | Nov 14 10:31 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 14 10:31 |
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| schestowitz | Steal cause they got looted by the plutovcrats | Nov 14 10:31 |
| schestowitz | Or murder cause they lost all hope | Nov 14 10:31 |
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| DaemonFC | Well, he says he sadistically choked a 10 year old boy for a sexual high | Nov 14 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | but, I don't know | Nov 14 10:32 |
| schestowitz | probabnyl made that one up | Nov 14 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | lets call in an "expert" so the liberals don't have an inch on us | Nov 14 10:32 |
| schestowitz | Tryint to blame it on a disorder | Nov 14 10:32 |
| schestowitz | Lawyers also play the card of "pretend to be insane, you get less time this way" | Nov 14 10:32 |
| schestowitz | Let's talk about real news | Nov 14 10:33 |
| schestowitz | This is one murder | Nov 14 10:33 |
| schestowitz | There are worse things than that | Nov 14 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Like extortions and war crimes | Nov 14 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | but it doesn't work, because the liberals still claim the sick fuck is having "his rights" violated | Nov 14 10:33 |
| schestowitz | What you put here is local news or gossip | Nov 14 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | that guy should have one right at this point | Nov 14 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | "right" this way to the gas chamber | Nov 14 10:33 |
| schestowitz | National gossipt sometimes, when Murdoch and chums want to distract the population with some family drama | Nov 14 10:33 |
| schestowitz | And not pay attention to his criminal enterprises | Nov 14 10:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: the gas chambers were pheased out in the US around the 70s | Nov 14 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | whatever they kill them with | Nov 14 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | as long as they die | Nov 14 10:34 |
| schestowitz | but it's not going to resolve problems in society | Nov 14 10:34 |
| schestowitz | swatting them is addressing symptons, not causes | Nov 14 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | like, you know, they skull fuck a person while cleaving them with an ax | Nov 14 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | so lets put them down humanely, like a sick old cat | Nov 14 10:35 |
| schestowitz | Do you really think that gassing 2 or so million US prisoners would achieve much? | Nov 14 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | it's such a stupid stupid system | Nov 14 10:35 |
| schestowitz | You're insane if you can ever think that | Nov 14 10:35 |
| schestowitz | Might as well aim to just kill the poorest people | Nov 14 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | no | Nov 14 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | you're turning it into an argument over gray areas | Nov 14 10:35 |
| schestowitz | in which case, you're left with new layer in society to bear their load | Nov 14 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | I'm saying they should limit it to these cases | Nov 14 10:36 |
| schestowitz | why? | Nov 14 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | where there's no doubt they did it and no chance of them ever being sorry they did | Nov 14 10:36 |
| schestowitz | This is not the worst sort of crime from a societal POV | Nov 14 10:36 |
| schestowitz | How many 17 year olds would avoid doing this _because of a death sentence_ they heard about? | Nov 14 10:36 |
| schestowitz | it's not about retribution | Nov 14 10:36 |
| schestowitz | but should be about fixing future behaviour | Nov 14 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care why they're gone | Nov 14 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | I just think society is better off without them | Nov 14 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | no matter what you want to call the reason | Nov 14 10:37 |
| schestowitz | animals and people die all the time | Nov 14 10:37 |
| schestowitz | killing more of them doesn't achieve anything | Nov 14 10:37 |
| schestowitz | you can improve their civility | Nov 14 10:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] http://ur1.ca/5tcu7 at Incheon Airport, Korea | Nov 14 10:37 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | Nov 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | like teaching humans to just kill other organisms for food | Nov 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | and call that more ethical than cannibalism or homicide (same species) | Nov 14 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | killing lower lifeforms because you need to eat is different than torching a cat for fun | Nov 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | But you're not achieving much by going with emptions like you do | Nov 14 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | but you'll make an argument that it's not | Nov 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | I see them do it in newspapers here | Nov 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Criminalising being pooe | Nov 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | *poor | Nov 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Or portraying the poor as the main aliment | Nov 14 10:39 |
| schestowitz | [10:38] <DaemonFC> killing lower lifeforms because you need to eat is different than torching a cat for fun | Nov 14 10:39 |
| schestowitz | Is that different from deer hunting? | Nov 14 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | nature is not cruel with no reason | Nov 14 10:39 |
| schestowitz | !google kemping antelope | Nov 14 10:39 |
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| DaemonFC | animals kill because they are hungry | Nov 14 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | or because they are fighting for a mate | Nov 14 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | not because they like to kill | Nov 14 10:40 |
| schestowitz | what about hunting as a sport? | Nov 14 10:40 |
| schestowitz | We value cats more than deers | Nov 14 10:40 |
| schestowitz | Because they are domesticated | Nov 14 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | shooting a deer and leaving it to rot is wrong | Nov 14 10:40 |
| schestowitz | we shoot wolves and vixen, not dogs | Nov 14 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | shooting a deer to make a pot roast is understandable | Nov 14 10:40 |
| schestowitz | You value life when it's cultually acceptable | Nov 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | but you're blind to your own double standards | Nov 14 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | killing for no other reason than enjoyment means the person is sick in the head | Nov 14 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | no matter what they kill | Nov 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | do you kill bugs? | Nov 14 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | whether it's a cat or a deer or another person | Nov 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | do you squash spiders for food? | Nov 14 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | I've been known to squash spiders that are in my house because I don't like being bitten by them | Nov 14 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | I slap a mosquito that lands on my arm | Nov 14 10:42 |
| schestowitz | "Problem is, Tamil Nadu's free laptop scheme ship's Windows. All 1.2 million of them !!!" http://joindiaspora.com/posts/809928 | Nov 14 10:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 14 10:42 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft must have bribed the heck out of them, using EDGI or something | Nov 14 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | I don't go machine gun deer hunting to kill and maim and leave a poor animal that was just going about his day to rot in the sun | Nov 14 10:44 |
| *DaemonFC is not sadistic | Nov 14 10:44 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 14 10:44 |
| schestowitz | rot means that they are being eaten | Nov 14 10:44 |
| schestowitz | just not by you | Nov 14 10:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Religion-friendly democracy & democracy-friendly religion - http://bit.ly/vkfmMz ignore #blair's cant, enjoy huge no. of deleted comments | Nov 14 10:44 | |
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| schestowitz | so you're saying, it's okay to kill an animal if YOU devour its flesh | Nov 14 10:44 |
| schestowitz | but wrong if you kill it and let others eat it | Nov 14 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | I also think that hunting in some areas that it's currently legal in is wrong and dangerous and should be outlawed, at least with guns | Nov 14 10:45 |
| schestowitz | I don't think you think far enough ahead | Nov 14 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | bullets can travel for well over a mile in some cases | Nov 14 10:45 |
| schestowitz | "travel" | Nov 14 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | and have been known to strike people and kill them at that distance even though it's not what the person was shooting at | Nov 14 10:45 |
| schestowitz | depends on bullet size | Nov 14 10:46 |
| schestowitz | range of effectiveness varies based on many things | Nov 14 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | people use high caliber rifles they don't really need | Nov 14 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | that sprawls the animal because they were going to waste it and leave it to rot anyway | Nov 14 10:47 |
| schestowitz | at some range the impact is similar to you just picking up the bullet and throwing it at someone with your bare hands | Nov 14 10:47 |
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| DaemonFC | Indiana actually does do spot checks of hunters and fishers and if they catch you with something you're not supposed to have, you're in some deep shit | Nov 14 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | they can confiscate anything you used in the process | Nov 14 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | including your car | Nov 14 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | which is hilarious | Nov 14 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | "You weren't supposed to shoot that, have a $5,000 fine and enjoy the walk home" :) | Nov 14 10:48 |
| schestowitz | Is that also what they told this teen who killed his borther? | Nov 14 10:49 |
| schestowitz | And if not, why not? | Nov 14 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | of course, I do have a fishing license and I don't take anything I'm not allowed to keep | Nov 14 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana is one of the states that issues lifetime fishing licenses | Nov 14 10:50 |
| schestowitz | "Take" as in "kill"? | Nov 14 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | they're $100 right now | Nov 14 10:50 |
| schestowitz | taxes | Nov 14 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | but since it never expires, it beats paying $18 every year you want to fish | Nov 14 10:50 |
| schestowitz | do you process fish in the kitchen? | Nov 14 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | no, the state has huts to clean the fish in | Nov 14 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | next to the reservoirs | Nov 14 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | they smell pretty bad | Nov 14 10:51 |
| schestowitz | oh, I see.. | Nov 14 10:51 |
| schestowitz | Controlled fishing | Nov 14 10:51 |
| schestowitz | I went to those as a kid | Nov 14 10:51 |
| schestowitz | I still have the rod somewhere | Nov 14 10:51 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I actually didn't fish at all this year | Nov 14 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | shame | Nov 14 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | I go fishing for catfish sometimes | Nov 14 10:52 |
| schestowitz | you can eat those? | Nov 14 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | fillet them and toss them in a frying pan with potato slices and garlic and onion | Nov 14 10:52 |
| schestowitz | legal to catch? | Nov 14 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Nov 14 10:52 |
| schestowitz | the world runs out of fish | Nov 14 10:52 |
| schestowitz | they become more expensive due to supply/demand | Nov 14 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | catfish are actually so numerous that the state doesn't even have a limit on them | Nov 14 10:53 |
| schestowitz | maybe in 50 years fish will be scarce on menus | Nov 14 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | Bass are pretty heavily regulated | Nov 14 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | there are size and quantity limits | Nov 14 10:53 |
| schestowitz | Galapagos Islands already have problems associated with tourists and staff that serves them overwhelming the place | Nov 14 10:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: who regulates this and how? | Nov 14 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | the law says you're not allowed to keep a bass that is less than 8" long | Nov 14 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | so I make sure I throw back any of them that are under 10" | Nov 14 10:54 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like pr0n auditions | Nov 14 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | just so a DNR officer doesn't decide that one is a half inch too short and fine me | Nov 14 10:55 |
| schestowitz | but who polices this? | Nov 14 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | the Indiana DNR | Nov 14 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | they have officers that monitor the exits to state fishing areas | Nov 14 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | and randomly stop and check people on their way out | Nov 14 10:56 |
| schestowitz | fishy business.. | Nov 14 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | they actually do catch some people that are stupid enough to have more of a type of fish than they were allowed to catch | Nov 14 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | DNR officers have the same policing and jurisdiction limits as any other state police officer | Nov 14 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | they just specialize as conservation officers | Nov 14 10:57 |
| schestowitz | they're conservatives? | Nov 14 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | :( | Nov 14 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | you're impossible | Nov 14 10:58 |
| schestowitz | what's DNR? | Nov 14 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | Department of Natural Resources | Nov 14 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | they're basically the state fish and wildlife enforcement | Nov 14 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | they haven't been hit with cutbacks like IDEM has (Indiana Department of Environmental Management) | Nov 14 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | IDEM is basically the state equivalent of the EPA | Nov 14 11:02 |
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| schestowitz | I damn | Nov 14 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | the Republicans who took over the state government have eviscerated IDEM | Nov 14 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | businesses that pollute are now basically on the honor system | Nov 14 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | while the DNR gives me a hard time about how many fish I caught | Nov 14 11:02 |
| schestowitz | Environmental conrol is not good for Big Business | Nov 14 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 14 11:02 |
| schestowitz | Fishing too much also reduces sales in Wal-Mart | Nov 14 11:02 |
| schestowitz | must crack down on it.. :-) | Nov 14 11:03 |
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| DaemonFC | Indiana has a few superfund sites | Nov 14 11:03 |
| schestowitz | sludge for the fish, thanks to the waltons | Nov 14 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | the closest to me is the Bragg dump in Marion | Nov 14 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | back in the early to mid 20th century, they let people dump damned near anything there | Nov 14 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | and it's right next to a river | Nov 14 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 14 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | and since there was no private company left that created the mess, the taxpayers got to fund the cleanup | Nov 14 11:04 |
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| DaemonFC | isn't that nice? | Nov 14 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | it's still on the superfund list because of high levels of soil contamination | Nov 14 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | and someone decided to put a cemetery right next to it | Nov 14 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | back in the 1960s and 70s, there was a little swimming beach they set up next to the old Bragg dump site | Nov 14 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | then the EPA came in and said "Oh shit, what the hell is this?" (basically) | Nov 14 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | and made them shut it down | Nov 14 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | the swimming beach, next to the toxic waste site | Nov 14 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | next to the cemetery | Nov 14 11:08 |
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| DaemonFC | want to have a picnic? | Nov 14 11:08 |
| schestowitz | how apt | Nov 14 11:08 |
| schestowitz | saves transpiration costs post-death | Nov 14 11:08 |
| schestowitz | cemeteries are bacteria/worm feeding sites, to put it crudely | Nov 14 11:09 |
| schestowitz | And every few hundreds of years the soil getsc changes/reused | Nov 14 11:09 |
| schestowitz | *changed | Nov 14 11:09 |
| schestowitz | From a puely biological POV, cemeteries are like glorified places where one species disintegrates | Nov 14 11:10 |
| schestowitz | no other animal has that | Nov 14 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Other ones are scattered around | Nov 14 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | my mom actually asked me what I wanted the family to do with my body if something happened to me | Nov 14 11:10 |
| schestowitz | But we are the "special" species | Nov 14 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | I told her to dispose of it as cheaply as they can | Nov 14 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | I'll be dead, and won't mind | Nov 14 11:11 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 14 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 14 11:11 |
| schestowitz | I'm the same | Nov 14 11:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [RT from weekend] Misleading Metaphors That Drive The War On Online #Sharing - http://bit.ly/vtS69x some good comments (one from #RMS) | Nov 14 11:11 | |
| schestowitz | Not that my family ever asked | Nov 14 11:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Misleading Metaphors That Drive The War On Online Sharing | Techdirt .::. Size~: 184.82 KB | Nov 14 11:11 |
| schestowitz | but... | Nov 14 11:11 |
| schestowitz | I say: | Nov 14 11:11 |
| schestowitz | try to use my organs to save other lives fuirst | Nov 14 11:11 |
| schestowitz | maybe some parts can be sought after | Nov 14 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I'm kind of paranoid about being on an organ donor list | Nov 14 11:12 |
| schestowitz | some cards here indicate you're an organ donour, so before the cells die they can quickly use you for transplants, e.g. in cases of car accident | Nov 14 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | I figure that the state bumps poor people off to harvest organs for the rich | Nov 14 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | from time to time | Nov 14 11:12 |
| schestowitz | To me, it's not a big deal | Nov 14 11:12 |
| schestowitz | I think shocking people with one's death would be amusing | Nov 14 11:12 |
| schestowitz | people think bodies go to Heaven and stuff | Nov 14 11:12 |
| schestowitz | By showing them you don't care about your dead body you help shock them into some rationale | Nov 14 11:13 |
| schestowitz | They realise that really, there is no life after life is over | Nov 14 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, death is just another business | Nov 14 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | they sell you a $10,000 box and a $10,000 memorial service if you let them | Nov 14 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm not having them do that for me :) | Nov 14 11:13 |
| schestowitz | and you can emphaisise this by showing disregard for your own boisy, which let's face it... once it ceases to operare is not of much use except if borrowed in parts for another fellow human | Nov 14 11:13 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: weddings too | Nov 14 11:14 |
| schestowitz | The problem I have it | Nov 14 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Surgeons make a killing from it | Nov 14 11:14 |
| schestowitz | They might not payt anyone anything for your organ | Nov 14 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | not the surgeons so much | Nov 14 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | hospital management | Nov 14 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | insurance types | Nov 14 11:14 |
| schestowitz | and the surgeon can charge some prick like Stsve Jobs a million bucks for organs he paid nothing for | Nov 14 11:14 |
| schestowitz | The healthcare csartel | Nov 14 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Good for them | Nov 14 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | they're the bulk of the excess cost of life saving care | Nov 14 11:14 |
| schestowitz | The organs become commodity | Nov 14 11:15 |
| schestowitz | Donated like code in FOSS | Nov 14 11:15 |
| schestowitz | "free code!" | Nov 14 11:15 |
| schestowitz | And they -- like Apple -- make billions off of it | Nov 14 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | if yo udo away with overpaid hospital management and for profit insurance, the cost for the same care is suddenly half | Nov 14 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | even though the people making that half were bureaucrats and functionaries | Nov 14 11:15 |
| schestowitz | don't worry, they live well | Nov 14 11:15 |
| schestowitz | Thanks to goodwill (and death) of others | Nov 14 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | the surgeon has skill | Nov 14 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | the surgeon provides a service | Nov 14 11:16 |
| schestowitz | yah, but how valuable? | Nov 14 11:16 |
| schestowitz | Some of them make far too much | Nov 14 11:16 |
| schestowitz | And work too little | Nov 14 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | the managers and insurance companies don't do anything except find ways to cut your care and keep more money for themselves | Nov 14 11:16 |
| schestowitz | I have a good friend who is a surgeon | Nov 14 11:16 |
| schestowitz | And many more to cosmetic becausr that's where the rich snobs are | Nov 14 11:17 |
| schestowitz | And where the money is | Nov 14 11:17 |
| schestowitz | Not life savings | Nov 14 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | right, boob jobs | Nov 14 11:17 |
| schestowitz | tweak here and there | Nov 14 11:17 |
| schestowitz | faking onself | Nov 14 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | nose adjustments | Nov 14 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | plastic vaginas | Nov 14 11:17 |
| schestowitz | "Adjustments" | Nov 14 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | penis enlargements | Nov 14 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 14 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | you know, the important stuff | Nov 14 11:17 |
| schestowitz | those surgeons, I say, should go to bloody africa | Nov 14 11:17 |
| schestowitz | and use the skills people ttaught them to actually do something valuable | Nov 14 11:18 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise their time at school is wasted | Nov 14 11:18 |
| schestowitz | and they just take up seats | Nov 14 11:18 |
| schestowitz | distorting humans post genetics | Nov 14 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | well, they charge a lot of money | Nov 14 11:18 |
| schestowitz | and it's worse | Nov 14 11:18 |
| schestowitz | in some ways | Nov 14 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | and they should | Nov 14 11:18 |
| schestowitz | They ruin evolution | Nov 14 11:18 |
| schestowitz | they create a state where people with deformities reproduce more | Nov 14 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | people who can pay that kind of money for bigger tits should pay a lot of money to have bigger tits | Nov 14 11:18 |
| schestowitz | nto visual | Nov 14 11:18 |
| schestowitz | I'm not talking about cosmetics | Nov 14 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | the problem it creates for society is lack of doctors that can do heart surgeries and such | Nov 14 11:18 |
| schestowitz | but even social issue | Nov 14 11:18 |
| schestowitz | and mortality | Nov 14 11:19 |
| schestowitz | Some women who used to die at birth can now have an operation | Nov 14 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm all for it being expensive | Nov 14 11:19 |
| schestowitz | Which means they pass ont he egens | Nov 14 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | but not necessarily in favor of it being legal to begin with | Nov 14 11:19 |
| schestowitz | And then we can evolve into a generation of c-sections | Nov 14 11:19 |
| schestowitz | Not that there is anything wrong with it | Nov 14 11:19 |
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| schestowitz | but then out specieis becomes more dependent on operations for reproductions | Nov 14 11:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:18] <DaemonFC> the problem it creates for society is lack of doctors that can do heart surgeries and such | Nov 14 11:20 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 14 11:20 |
| schestowitz | This drives up the cost | Nov 14 11:20 |
| schestowitz | for REAL operations | Nov 14 11:20 |
| schestowitz | AND... | Nov 14 11:20 |
| schestowitz | Increases waiting lists | Nov 14 11:20 |
| schestowitz | i.e. death | Nov 14 11:20 |
| schestowitz | those people go to medical scool to dtudy operation | Nov 14 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | it's like penis pills and hair restorations | Nov 14 11:20 |
| schestowitz | not cosmetics | Nov 14 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | they cost a lot of money and they should, since they are luxuries | Nov 14 11:20 |
| schestowitz | but money lures them away from what they'\re trained to do | Nov 14 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | but it takes people away from solving real problems like HIV and cancer | Nov 14 11:21 |
| schestowitz | and they leave us with money-hungry "doctors" who put money before life | Nov 14 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | hair falling out is a natural process | Nov 14 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | so is erectile dysfunction, when you get old | Nov 14 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | people spend all kinds of money to get an erection so they can play with themselves at age 90 or something | Nov 14 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | and you have scientists researching how to give a 90 year old an erection and not how to save a 20 year old from cancer | Nov 14 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | decay management | Nov 14 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | they call it "life sciences" to make it sound important | Nov 14 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | bbiab | Nov 14 11:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laforge/@laforge] you get what you pay for: #airberlin charges me for having a single kg too much luggage. too many #osmocombb phones for #deepsec2011 | Nov 14 11:24 | |
| DaemonFC | http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Hippocrates | Nov 14 11:25 |
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| DaemonFC | In 2371, when asked for some soil samples, The Doctor mentioned how he felt like "Hippocrates when the king asked him to trim a hangnail." (VOY: "Parallax") | Nov 14 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 14 11:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Does the #Apple #iPad's 1024x768 display qualify as "720p"? media boffins, take it away ... @nj3ma | Nov 14 11:26 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: LOL | Nov 14 11:27 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I raised these points before | Nov 14 11:27 |
| schestowitz | as I often do | Nov 14 11:27 |
| schestowitz | and got a kick under the table once | Nov 14 11:27 |
| schestowitz | Turned out some people around the tables were plastic surgery junkies | Nov 14 11:28 |
| schestowitz | So... I'm no allowed to say that ^-^ | Nov 14 11:28 |
| schestowitz | "Somebody might be offended!!!" | Nov 14 11:28 |
| schestowitz | [20:53:12] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: very long story | Nov 14 11:29 |
| schestowitz | [20:53:17] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: goes months back | Nov 14 11:29 |
| schestowitz | [20:53:25] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I'm the only person he told this to att | Nov 14 11:29 |
| schestowitz | he time | Nov 14 11:29 |
| schestowitz | [20:53:32] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: sought my opinion on it | Nov 14 11:30 |
| schestowitz | [20:54:13] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I just mention it cause it came up today | Nov 14 11:30 |
| schestowitz | [20:54:23] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: he doesn't like this colleague | Nov 14 11:30 |
| schestowitz | [20:54:27] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: he imitates him all the time | Nov 14 11:30 |
| schestowitz | [20:54:32] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: steals his joke and style | Nov 14 11:30 |
| schestowitz | [20:54:36] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: copies every darn thing | Nov 14 11:30 |
| schestowitz | [20:54:40] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: even his THESIS :-) | Nov 14 11:30 |
| schestowitz | [20:54:47] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: And puts at risk both of them | Nov 14 11:30 |
| schestowitz | [20:55:02] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I used to tell Mike to ignore and take | Nov 14 11:30 |
| schestowitz | pride in that | Nov 14 11:30 |
| schestowitz | [20:55:02] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: but.. | Nov 14 11:30 |
| schestowitz | [20:55:26] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: he found out this guy was stabbing him | Nov 14 11:30 |
| schestowitz | in the back behind his back as part of his 'career climbing' ambitions | Nov 14 11:30 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] A big shout out to all the folks at #osdc - hope you're having a fantastic time! | Nov 14 11:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #SOPA: Putting the extra in extraterritoriality - http://bit.ly/uBMon9 "no redeeming features to this proposed piece of legislation" | Nov 14 12:06 | |
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| iophk | https://plus.google.com/107033731246200681024/posts/g9WdNt6yVgR | Nov 14 12:37 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] OMG. Talk about "intelligent Design" at the CIO congress. How weird is that? Austria is special. What am I doing here?!... http://b1t.it/US6 | Nov 14 12:39 | |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC: can you recommend an audio player that doesn't totally suck? | Nov 14 12:41 |
| MinceR | (being able to start would be a nice feature, for example) | Nov 14 12:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] 10 Things You Need To Know Before The Opening Bell - #marketoids #daily http://goo.gl/VMbk1 | Nov 14 12:42 | |
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| *MinceR settled for nuking the config directory for the current one | Nov 14 12:43 | |
| DaemonFC | Amarok | Nov 14 12:45 |
| MinceR | did they stop loading the entire music file into memory to look for an ID3 tag already? :> | Nov 14 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | hell if I know | Nov 14 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | (or care) | Nov 14 12:46 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 14 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | If you're using GNOME, you should use Banshee for sure | Nov 14 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.gnome.org/applications/ | Nov 14 12:47 |
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| MinceR | i'm using XFCE | Nov 14 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | See, they even removed Rhythmbox from their recommended list and put Banshee on top | Nov 14 12:47 |
| iophk | Banshee is unstable and worse uses Mono | Nov 14 12:47 |
| iophk | What about Clementine or Rhythmbox? | Nov 14 12:48 |
| DaemonFC | sarcasm | Nov 14 12:48 |
| MinceR | is Clementine any good? | Nov 14 12:48 |
| iophk | It gets a lot of praise on the net. | Nov 14 12:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's not all bad, just mostly | Nov 14 12:48 |
| DaemonFC | so yeah | Nov 14 12:48 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 14 12:48 |
| DaemonFC | it qualifies under your parameters | Nov 14 12:48 |
| iophk | I don't play enough music to have a direct opinion of it. | Nov 14 12:48 |
| DaemonFC | if you like Amarok 1.4 and don't mind lots of features that claim to work but don't work well, use Clementine | Nov 14 12:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Shared a post "Just so everyone knows we've postponed tonight's live Linux Outlaws to Wednesday afternoon, 1pm UK. Sorr... http://b1t.it/UTp | Nov 14 12:49 | |
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| DaemonFC | they added features like transcoding, but give you no control over the parameters | Nov 14 12:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's more like a GNOME application than a KDE one | Nov 14 12:50 |
| DaemonFC | you can't adjust it to your satisfaction because then some moron somewhere would be confused | Nov 14 12:50 |
| DaemonFC | if GNOME made cars, then all the controls would be preset for someone that is a foot shorter than you and the headlight and radio controls would be hidden or deprecated or both | Nov 14 12:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 14 12:51 |
| DaemonFC | headlight controls are a feature | Nov 14 12:51 |
| DaemonFC | some mythical idiot out there might not know what headlights are | Nov 14 12:51 |
| DaemonFC | just don't drive at night | Nov 14 12:51 |
| DaemonFC | problem solved | Nov 14 12:51 |
| DaemonFC | -GNOME | Nov 14 12:51 |
| oiaohm | Clementine is one of the rare things out of the time of KDE trinity that works. | Nov 14 12:52 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME, lately, is just so halfassed, I'm frankly amazed Linux Mint 12 was able to salvage it at all | Nov 14 12:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's customizable, but requires the user to know Javascript and Klingon | Nov 14 12:53 |
| oiaohm | Really shotwell using vala is quite a decent application. | Nov 14 12:53 |
| DaemonFC | and refuses to provide a stable extensions API | Nov 14 12:53 |
| DaemonFC | it's the worst of both worlds | Nov 14 12:53 |
| DaemonFC | if you want to customize it, you probably can't, because most users know how to toggle settings, but most users don't know Javascript | Nov 14 12:54 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu has been sinking like a stone ever since they forced the widely unpopular and broken Unity desktop | Nov 14 12:55 |
| DaemonFC | I have to say that the reason this probably didn't happen sooner is because GNOME 2.32 was an option in Natty | Nov 14 12:55 |
| iophk | The sinking started with Mono. Many went to Fedora at that time. | Nov 14 12:55 |
| DaemonFC | and I'll bet most users jsut switched to that | Nov 14 12:55 |
| oiaohm | iophk: Really Fedora switch was not that great. | Nov 14 12:55 |
| iophk | Xubuntu is picking up users now, too. | Nov 14 12:56 |
| oiaohm | iophk: so a lot run back to ubuntu after it. | Nov 14 12:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] How #Italy Got To Be The Country That Everyone's Freaking Out About - #gsachsrepublic #euro http://goo.gl/elzzU | Nov 14 12:56 | |
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| oiaohm | Now the stuffed up interface is like rats leaving the sinking ship. | Nov 14 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Also I think its good. | Nov 14 12:56 |
| oiaohm | It will show the world Linux does not end with ubuntu. | Nov 14 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | Why does Microsoft have to fight Linux when the desktop environments throw everything out and start over at alpha quality every few years? | Nov 14 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | people hate that shit | Nov 14 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | leave it alone | Nov 14 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | improve what's there | Nov 14 12:57 |
| MinceR | because m$ can't even reach that level, that's why | Nov 14 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | nobody cares if it can be a little better in 10 years if you start from scratch now | Nov 14 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | because it didn't work out last time you said that either | Nov 14 12:58 |
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| oiaohm | The issue is infact Linux desktop envorments have not been restarting from nothing. | Nov 14 12:58 |
| oiaohm | Linux has gone a path MS did not expect. | Nov 14 12:58 |
| DaemonFC | The KDE 4 transition was miserable | Nov 14 12:58 |
| DaemonFC | it didn't even start becoming reliable enough to use daily until the 4.4 series | Nov 14 12:59 |
| DaemonFC | now they're talking KDE 5 | Nov 14 12:59 |
| oiaohm | KDE 4 run into a complete nightmare. | Nov 14 12:59 |
| oiaohm | KDE 5 will not be a major shock to the system. | Nov 14 12:59 |
| *DaemonFC goes and hides and waits for this to wash rinse and repeat | Nov 14 12:59 | |
| oiaohm | Really remember kde 2 to kde 3 | Nov 14 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | I was not amused with the KDE 4 transition and went to GNOME and thought I dodged a bullet | Nov 14 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Was not a major shock. DaemonFC | Nov 14 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | then I saw the GNOME shell previews and whatnot | Nov 14 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | and KDE was starting to settle down | Nov 14 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm back to using KDE | Nov 14 13:00 |
| oiaohm | KDE 4 transition was hell. | Nov 14 13:01 |
| oiaohm | QT 3 turned out to have a major design flaw in it. DaemonFC | Nov 14 13:01 |
| MinceR | ? | Nov 14 13:01 |
| MinceR | (it's Qt, not QT) | Nov 14 13:01 |
| DaemonFC | if KDE 3 was so unmaintainable, how are a few people providing maintenance for it to this day? | Nov 14 13:01 |
| oiaohm | Qt opps. | Nov 14 13:01 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: it's because KDE4 sucks so hard :> | Nov 14 13:02 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: You mean trinity? | Nov 14 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Nov 14 13:02 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: trinity is running into more and more problems. | Nov 14 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | naturally | Nov 14 13:02 |
| oiaohm | They are desperately trying to port the applications to Qt 4 to fix them. | Nov 14 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | the rest of the Linux stack is hardly better than the desktops | Nov 14 13:02 |
| oiaohm | Because Qt 3 is serousally stuffed. | Nov 14 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | when it comes to throw everything away ever 3-4 years | Nov 14 13:03 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: You have it the wrong way. | Nov 14 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | let users suffer from new alpha quality rewrites instead of fixing bugs | Nov 14 13:03 |
| oiaohm | X11 internals got left alone. | Nov 14 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | close the bugs they reported on the old version and create different problems for them with the new one | Nov 14 13:03 |
| oiaohm | Toolkits developed hacks to fix up X11 core issues. | Nov 14 13:03 |
| oiaohm | Guess what happens with X11 starts being fixed properly. | Nov 14 13:03 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: sometimes it's easier to fix a bug by fixing the design than by adding more duct tape | Nov 14 13:04 |
| oiaohm | All the toolkit hacks start back firing. | Nov 14 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | X11 core did not get "left alone" | Nov 14 13:04 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: like what? | Nov 14 13:04 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: O it did. | Nov 14 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | unless you can point me to a distribution that does not load XFIXES | Nov 14 13:04 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: Tiny Core ;) | Nov 14 13:05 |
| oiaohm | The core if the X11 server was single threaded. DaemonFC until recently. | Nov 14 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFixes | Nov 14 13:05 |
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| DaemonFC | pretty much every improvement to X is an extension which patches the core | Nov 14 13:06 |
| DaemonFC | you're only using the "unadulterated" version of X11 for as long as it takes the server to start loading extensions | Nov 14 13:07 |
| DaemonFC | there's a lot of them | Nov 14 13:07 |
| oiaohm | The big change was really DRI2. | Nov 14 13:07 |
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| oiaohm | Before DRI2 were was video card memory done DaemonFC | Nov 14 13:08 |
| oiaohm | DRI1 and everything before it video card memory with X11 was hacked up in userspace. | Nov 14 13:08 |
| oiaohm | Basically OS netural crap that was Kernel incompadible. | Nov 14 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | the only way the server falls back to the original protocol is if the client can't do anything better | Nov 14 13:09 |
| oiaohm | This also applys to keyboard input and a stack of other things DaemonFC | Nov 14 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | and such a thing NEVER happens | Nov 14 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | I guess it's possible, but I'd like to know who ships mismatched clients and servers | Nov 14 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | unless you're using X remotely | Nov 14 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | that's the only time you have to worry about mismatched client and server | Nov 14 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | most people don't use X remotely | Nov 14 13:10 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: X11 server memory management video only really changed with DRI2. | Nov 14 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | there are better option available | Nov 14 13:10 |
| oiaohm | I am talking about X11 server core | Nov 14 13:10 |
| oiaohm | Not X11 server protocal. | Nov 14 13:10 |
| oiaohm | How the X11 server has been doing its work. | Nov 14 13:10 |
| oiaohm | Single threaded in server ment you did not have to worry about a stack of particular multi thread events. | Nov 14 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | most of X11's problems were introduced by shortsighted companies that wanted to support their own use cases over the years | Nov 14 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | and previous maintainers of X being merely front groups for them | Nov 14 13:11 |
| oiaohm | X11 will die. | Nov 14 13:12 |
| oiaohm | dri2 is part of the process leading to that. | Nov 14 13:12 |
| oiaohm | Notice how recently freebsd and solaris has been complain about X11 being incompadible with them. | Nov 14 13:12 |
| oiaohm | So forcing them to do kernel level graphic support. | Nov 14 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not using GLX at all to do desktop compositing right now | Nov 14 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | ryan@ryan-MS-7501:~$ es2_info | Nov 14 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | EGL_VERSION = 1.4 (Gallium) | Nov 14 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | EGL_VENDOR = Mesa Project | Nov 14 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | EGL_EXTENSIONS = EGL_KHR_image_base EGL_KHR_image_pixmap EGL_KHR_image EGL_KHR_reusable_sync EGL_KHR_fence_sync EGL_KHR_surfaceless_gles1 EGL_KHR_surfaceless_gles2 EGL_KHR_surfaceless_opengl | Nov 14 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | EGL_CLIENT_APIS = OpenGL OpenGL_ES OpenGL_ES2 OpenVG | Nov 14 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | GL_VERSION: OpenGL ES 2.0 Mesa 7.12-devel | Nov 14 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | GL_RENDERER: Gallium 0.4 on AMD REDWOOD | Nov 14 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | GL_EXTENSIONS: | Nov 14 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays, | Nov 14 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic, GL_EXT_texture_compression_dxt1, | Nov 14 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | GL_OES_draw_texture, GL_EXT_texture_format_BGRA8888, GL_OES_depth24, | Nov 14 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | GL_OES_element_index_uint, GL_OES_fbo_render_mipmap, GL_OES_mapbuffer, | Nov 14 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | GL_OES_rgb8_rgba8, GL_OES_standard_derivatives, GL_OES_stencil8, | Nov 14 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | GL_OES_texture_3D, GL_OES_texture_npot, GL_OES_EGL_image, | Nov 14 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | GL_OES_depth_texture, GL_OES_packed_depth_stencil, | Nov 14 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | GL_EXT_texture_type_2_10_10_10_REV, GL_NV_fbo_color_attachments, | Nov 14 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | GL_OES_EGL_image_external, GL_NV_draw_buffers | Nov 14 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | GL ES and EGL are so much better | Nov 14 13:13 |
| oiaohm | Yep what you are using goes into kernel level memory management for video cards. | Nov 14 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | the rendering latency the GLX extension imposes is gone | Nov 14 13:13 |
| oiaohm | So avoiding userspace what the events. | Nov 14 13:14 |
| oiaohm | No GLX latency was memory management. | Nov 14 13:14 |
| oiaohm | GLX impelmented on top of DRI2 is many times faster. | Nov 14 13:14 |
| oiaohm | Basically internally X11 servers were shot completely. DaemonFC | Nov 14 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Blocking multi threading so that toolkits were doing emulation of multi threading. | Nov 14 13:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Matthew Gould & the Plot to Attack Iran - http://bit.ly/vN4x45 detailed post about UK's dealings with Israel: now needs digging from others | Nov 14 13:16 | |
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| oiaohm | Extra set of buffers and so on all costing resources. DaemonFC | Nov 14 13:16 |
| oiaohm | MS basically feared the day that the Linux world would truly junk the core and proper rebuild. DaemonFC | Nov 14 13:17 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: remember KDE is bring back all the features they stripped out in the 3.5 to 4.0 process. | Nov 14 13:19 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: I will tell you something critically shocking. Sections of KDE 1.0 code are still in KDE 4.x | Nov 14 13:27 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Not once has KDE really completely started back over. | Nov 14 13:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] The record industry's ridiculous war [...] exemplifies the absurdity of trying to get food-coloring out of a swimming pool. #littlebrother | Nov 14 13:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻@kuro: German #Copyright Group Tries To Collect From #CreativeCommons Event - bit.ly/tfGfhF the bullies strike again #de #cc via @glynmoody | Nov 14 13:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Want To See Peak Copyright? Here's What To Do - http://bit.ly/vtSj3G when will the public be given a voice? #peakcopyright | Nov 14 13:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Miniconfs are reaching for a star - you! http://bit.ly/u4pcL7 #LCA2012 | Nov 14 13:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] "Meisje met de prei" / #HollyDolly is now also available in #Chinese? 多莉宝贝甩 http://t.cn/hNdcz 甩葱歌 http://t.cn/hFVTP *sighs deeply* | Nov 14 14:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #Chinese are really catching up with #Dutch stuff. #leekspin took 5yrs. Took nearly 20yrs for 'Venus' and 10yrs for #2Unlimited's No Limit | Nov 14 14:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @glynmoody German #Copyright Group Tries To Collect From Creative Commons Event - http://bit.ly/tfGfhF the bullies strike again #enti ... | Nov 14 14:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Hughes: Introducing the ColorHug open source colorimeter http://ur1.ca/5tol3 | Nov 14 14:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why Barnes & Noble is an Open Source Superstar - http://bit.ly/t8ZIeg & why #Microsoft #patent threats are pure #FUD | Nov 14 14:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Aaron #Copland: Complete Chronological Catalogue - http://bit.ly/u5UCMi unusual, and all the more welcome #spotify | Nov 14 14:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[faither/@faither] Really #GEMA or is this just some sort of "easy" #censoreship? !cc !de http://ur1.ca/5ton4 | Nov 14 14:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] How to Monitor and Log Network Traffic on Linux Using vnStat - #gnulinux #flosstools #tips http://goo.gl/ObRXy | Nov 14 14:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UN sees boom in fees paid on intellectual property - http://bit.ly/vAyBzx er, that would be a tax on innovation #patents | Nov 14 14:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] YouTube - why the F* isn't already html5 working by default | Nov 14 14:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] TDF public BoD phone conferences every 2nd Wednesday: http://bit.ly/suNCbs !tdf | Nov 14 14:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] rvision | Stuck in Customs | Paris, France - #photography http://goo.gl/5dRFh | Nov 14 14:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Copyright in Open Source Software - Understanding the Boundaries - http://bit.ly/sTR7jN useful summary to cut out and keep | Nov 14 15:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Schools grab .xxx sites to protect names from porn - http://bit.ly/s8KRBA what an entirely predictable waste of money | Nov 14 15:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @ushahidi Great @SahanaFOSS client integration with Open GeoSMS too. Slick coding coming out of Taiwan! #ICCM >>interesting | Nov 14 15:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] How the BBC's HD DRM plot was kept secret … and why | Technology | guardian.co.uk http://goo.gl/gvXNf | Nov 14 15:21 | |
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| amarsh04 | http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000911.html | Nov 14 15:26 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Trying out hotot | Nov 14 15:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] A Disappointing Review of !Crunchbang 10 !Statler http://goo.gl/Cmu61 - [Good one in this week's @micro_mart though] | Nov 14 15:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Das U-Blog by Prashanth: A Disappointing Review of #! 10 "Statler" .::. Size~: 106.42 KB | Nov 14 15:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] There's a "flag" button. | Nov 14 15:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] What's going on? Nobody's getting banned here. | Nov 14 15:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Have a good event! Wish I was there this year... | Nov 14 15:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Barnes & Noble Exposes Microsoft's "Trivial" Patents and Strategy Against Android (Groklaw) http://ur1.ca/5tptz | Nov 14 15:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] a war on innovation & the causes of innovation - AKA the #patent system #interlectualproperty | Nov 14 15:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] W3C Announces First Draft of Standard for Online Privacy http://ow.ly/1fDTJi | Nov 14 15:43 | |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Nov 14 15:49 |
| amarsh04 | Hi, just bisecting another problem with the latest Linus git kernel - it disagrees with my realtek 8139 ethernet card | Nov 14 15:50 |
| amarsh04 | this machine will reboot when the next test kernel is installed | Nov 14 15:51 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] German Copyright Group To Collect From Creative Commons Event http://goo.gl/KWI4s #Copyfraud | Nov 14 15:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @jankusanagi it is group spamming, I wouldn't be surprised if a spam report silenced him | Nov 14 15:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Diaspora Co-founder Dies At 22 http://ur1.ca/5tqfg | Nov 14 15:58 | |
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| schestowitz | no known reason yet? | Nov 14 15:59 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] although Ubuntu is one of many #Linux distros, they are not universally the same, anything Ubuntu specific like #Unity should be in !Ubuntu | Nov 14 16:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Done trying out hotot | Nov 14 16:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Poll: Does C++ offer real advantages for numerically-oriented programs? http://ur1.ca/5tqn1 | Nov 14 16:04 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: trashbird1240's poll: Does C++ offer real advantages for numerically-oriented programs? - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 10.77 KB | Nov 14 16:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] A focus on the stuff that matters most by @timoreilly | http://red.ht/w3gBXA #opensource #hackmanagement #makerfaire | Nov 14 16:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @SenJohnMcCain Very disappointed by statements at SC GOP debate supporting waterboarding. Waterboarding is torture. (v @Glinner) | Nov 14 16:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Novell People Still Incite Against Techrights Rather Than Focus on Their Products http://ur1.ca/5tr08... http://b1t.it/UYj | Nov 14 16:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @glynmoody Why Barnes & Noble is an Open Source Superstar - http://bit.ly/t8ZIeg & why #Microsoft #patent threats are pure #FUD | Nov 14 16:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] NEWS: Toyota, BMW, Nissan among keynotes confirmed for first-ever Automotive Linux Summit: http://bit.ly/rHgZ93 #linuxnews #infotainment | Nov 14 16:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Former Microsoft Managers Still Monetise Fear of #GPL http://ur1.ca/5trc5 #microsoft | Nov 14 16:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] +TechCrunch is reporting (via Digital Trends) that Diaspora co-founder Ilya Zhitomirskiy has died at 22. No cause of de... http://b1t.it/UYG | Nov 14 16:34 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Silner Wilner - Google+ - +TechCrunch is reporting (via Digital Trends) that Diaspora… .::. Size~: 44.5 KB | Nov 14 16:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] nope, mondays when the server is taken down by accidental ddos | Nov 14 16:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] damn, clicking on a user's profile in #HeyBuddy rested the block setting to let them back through :( | Nov 14 16:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] you'd think that someone who lost their nick TWICE before for the same reasons MAY stop and wonder at their own behaviour, not keep doing it | Nov 14 16:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] lil hint: #FOSS people don't WANT to mimic #Apple, #Microsoft or any other FOSS hostile corp - suggesting that = #flamebait | Nov 14 16:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #FOSS is ground up, user built for users - corps are top down, decisions made for profit, enforced on users - it's a different approach | Nov 14 16:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] until you grasp that concept, any suggestions about how we should mimic stuff that doesn't fit, IS flamebait & will get that reaction | Nov 14 16:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] A classic, "people on the internet are routing around censorship" story http://goo.gl/YKBJP | Nov 14 16:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Stand alles schon bei fefe. Aber gut das das jetzt verbreitet wird. Was genau schützt der Verfassungsschutz eigentlich... http://b1t.it/UYV | Nov 14 16:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] The Secret Government A warning from the Georgia Guidestones - #nwo #tptb #xfiles http://goo.gl/0MpKY | Nov 14 16:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jrepin/@jrepin] RT @linuxfoundation NEWS: Toyota, BMW, Nissan among keynotes confirmed for first-ever Automotive Linux Summit: http://bit.ly/rHgZ93 #lin ... | Nov 14 16:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] This is posted under the category of comedy rather than news. Never trust the +Daily Mail on social affairs is the only... http://b1t.it/UY9 | Nov 14 16:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @climagic sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb # Duplicates the partition table of sda to sdb. Very useful for setting up RAID arrays ... | Nov 14 16:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Linux Foundation Announces Program for Automotive Linux Summit http://is.gd/lv5vFf # | Nov 14 17:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Congress: Trading stock on inside information? - http://bit.ly/uKOjNN insider trading laws are only for the little people (v @dangillmor) | Nov 14 17:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] ♻ @filipesaraiva: #Mageia Wiki is online! See - http://ur1.ca/5tsd9 | yeeehaaaa!!! :D | Nov 14 17:06 | |
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| schestowitz | Bogus Patents as the Last Resort | Nov 14 17:08 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2011/11/14/violations-with-bogus-swpats/ #swpats #apple #microsoft | Nov 14 17:08 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Bogus Patents as the Last Resort http://ur1.ca/5tsal #swpats #apple #microsoft | Nov 14 17:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] Svensk aktivist erhåller Nordic !FreeSoftware Award 2011 http://ur1.ca/5tsp7 | Nov 14 17:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Tomorrow evening, come celebrate heroes on the digital frontier. 20th Pioneer Awards begins at 6PM in SF. http://ur1.ca/5tsqv | Nov 14 17:14 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Ouch. http://ur1.ca/5tsvu | Nov 14 17:19 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Dan Gillmor - Google+ - Pure, unadulterated corruption: Congress exempts itself… .::. Size~: 77.5 KB | Nov 14 17:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Pure, unadulterated corruption: Congress exempts itself from insider-trading laws, and profits hugely from stock deals based on information that only members of Congress (and their staff) can learn in timely ways. | Nov 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz | They haven't managed to loot as much of our national treasure as the bankers and other corporate interests who've bribed given them money to pass all kinds of laws legalizing other kinds of corruption. Congress people can be bought cheap. | Nov 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz | But like the bankers, they lack any normal sense of honor. | Nov 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Enough said. | Nov 14 17:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Australia: From political rockstar to ALP hack--what has happened to @PGarrettMP ? http://t.co/X9ZC5skS | Nov 14 17:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 14 17:21 |
| schestowitz | That govt. is screwed | Nov 14 17:21 |
| schestowitz | But no government to so anything against itself | Nov 14 17:21 |
| schestowitz | If it was another country, the US would invade it | Nov 14 17:21 |
| schestowitz | and assassinate the leader | Nov 14 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Obama in this case | Nov 14 17:22 |
| schestowitz | to "Spread Democracy" | Nov 14 17:22 |
| schestowitz | And to restore justice :-) | Nov 14 17:22 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Where's my surprised face again? Ah, there it is. http://ur1.ca/5tt78 | Nov 14 17:29 | |
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| schestowitz | "If you're at all tuned into the Internet, then it's very likely that you have heard about two bills currently making their way through the two houses of the US Congress that several organizations have..." | Nov 14 17:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itworld.com/security/223845/piracy-bill-could-waylay-floss-projects | Nov 14 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | Now the links all go through bloody Google? | Nov 14 17:34 |
| schestowitz | This G+ nonsense is as bad as FB | Nov 14 17:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @ffkp Calling all #FSCONS speakers, *please* join our Speaker Group: http://ur1.ca/5lyt9 @blondinrikard @karsten @kirschner | Nov 14 17:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @blondinrikard I'm utterly impressed by the work and commitment from the nearly 50 volunteers for @FSCONS 2011. You made it possible! ... | Nov 14 17:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @fscons Slides: Ester Ytterbrink - FOSS for crips http://ur1.ca/5sdyz #FSCONS11 #FSCONS #Acessibilitytrack | Nov 14 17:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @fscons Slides: Rikard Fröberg: Events for all - A guide for making events accessible http://ur1.ca/5trs4 #FSCONS11 #FSCONS #Accessib ... | Nov 14 17:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @fscons Slides: Mats Lundälv - Accessibility Everywhere – Presenting the AEGIS Project http://ur1.ca/5tq2d #fscons11 #fscons #accessi ... | Nov 14 17:34 | |
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| schestowitz | diapora links are not much better, either | Nov 14 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | and link shorteners | Nov 14 17:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @glynmoody UN sees boom in fees paid on intellectual property - http://bit.ly/vAyBzx er, that would be a tax on innovation #patents | Nov 14 17:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @fsfe Svensk aktivist erhåller Nordic !FreeSoftware Award 2011 http://ur1.ca/5tsp7 | Nov 14 17:36 | |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/opensourcerer/status/136003672734842880 | Nov 14 17:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @opensourcerer: Good ole #Microsoft. Such a nice company… Looks like B&N might have "kicked the hornet's nest" this time: http://t.co/MbXVRbiQ #swpats | Nov 14 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2011111122291296 | Nov 14 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | "Microsoft is paying Nokia $1 billion and Nokia is committing to replace its Symbian operating system with Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 operating system as "its principal smart phone strategy"." | Nov 14 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Sold so cheaply to MS>? | Nov 14 17:41 |
| schestowitz | 1 billion? | Nov 14 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Elop, you TROJAN | Nov 14 17:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] sorry, I am weak: Andrew Keen has written a piece on SOPA that is so bad I can't even bring myself to link to it lest I be besmirched... | Nov 14 17:43 | |
| schestowitz | LOL | Nov 14 17:52 |
| schestowitz | I know the feeling | Nov 14 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he should say what nonsense was said | Nov 14 17:53 |
| schestowitz | without linking | Nov 14 17:53 |
| schestowitz | or quoting directly | Nov 14 17:53 |
| schestowitz | That's what I do.. | Nov 14 17:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Internet belongs to us, U.S. argues - http://bit.ly/sWfIkR everyone outside the US should read this and consider the implications #sopa | Nov 14 18:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The Linux Foundation Announces Program for Automotive Linux Summit http://ur1.ca/5tu12 #gnu #linux #automotive #industry | Nov 14 18:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Linux, Open Source Still 'Money' in Financial Services http://ur1.ca/5tu3y #gnu #linux #finance #software #business | Nov 14 18:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Leading U.S. Primate Lab Charged With Illegal Chimp Breeding - http://bit.ly/segGhV time to shut this horror down #animalabuse | Nov 14 18:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fedora/@fedora] RedHat blog post on Fedora 16's great cloud features including screencast: http://2tu.us/3lmv | Nov 14 18:09 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: MinceR _Goblin msb__ Hmm http://www.side-line.com/news_comments.php?id=46980_0_2_0_C | Nov 14 18:12 |
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| sebsebseb | That's stupid | Nov 14 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | I Think | Nov 14 18:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Another reason why you should really start using a 64-bit OS http://ur1.ca/3g0 ;) | Nov 14 18:14 | |
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| schestowitz | another reason to rip CDs | Nov 14 18:14 |
| schestowitz | one's own | Nov 14 18:14 |
| schestowitz | and put them on more devices | Nov 14 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well says they will have downloads | Nov 14 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | ,but for Itunes and uh | Nov 14 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | streaming something or wahtever | Nov 14 18:15 |
| schestowitz | not sure if they want DVDs, doubt it... | Nov 14 18:15 |
| schestowitz | People don't need CD tray in a stereo now | Nov 14 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Their music is digital, optical readers are just big and expensive to make | Nov 14 18:16 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: uh your saying to play music from DVD's instead? | Nov 14 18:16 |
| sebsebseb | also I like having CD's still | Nov 14 18:16 |
| sebsebseb | CD albums | Nov 14 18:16 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I mainly listen to music on the computer | Nov 14 18:16 |
| sebsebseb | and at the moment that's mainly from last.fm again | Nov 14 18:16 |
| schestowitz | people said the same abou]t vinyl | Nov 14 18:16 |
| schestowitz | it just becomes a memorabilia item | Nov 14 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Evoking old memories | Nov 14 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | it's nice to have a pshyicall CD album though | Nov 14 18:17 |
| schestowitz | old gramophones are becoming extinct because they are not made in bulk and old ones become defective, with no suitable replacement parts | Nov 14 18:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Using a Simple Firewall in CentOS 6 http://ur1.ca/5tuac #security #software #gnu #linux #centos #windows #computer | Nov 14 18:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @fedora RedHat blog post on Fedora 16's great cloud features including screencast: http://2tu.us/3lmv | Nov 14 18:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] A quick status update about FUD firms that piggyback FOSS concerns to sell proprietary software (unsurprising they have http://ur1.ca/5trc5 | Nov 14 18:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ A quick status update about FUD firms that piggyback FOSS concerns to sell proprietary software (unsurprising they have http://ur1. ... | Nov 14 18:18 | |
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| sebsebseb | also quite a few bands I would like to buy the CD's for really | Nov 14 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | In non-lossy digital forms, inc CDs, you can at least data-shift | Nov 14 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | forms? | Nov 14 18:18 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 14 18:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Competition crimes/violations from Apple and Microsoft in particular but also in general, exploiting the broken patent http://ur1.ca/5tsal | Nov 14 18:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ Competition crimes/violations from Apple and Microsoft in particular but also in general, exploiting the broken patent http://ur1. ... | Nov 14 18:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Get an Early Taste of Linux Mint 12 http://ur1.ca/5tuas #linux | Nov 14 18:19 | |
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| schestowitz | but not formats | Nov 14 18:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Empty reply from server ( http://ur1.ca/5tuas ) | Nov 14 18:19 |
| schestowitz | I could think of another word to use | Nov 14 18:19 |
| schestowitz | non-analogue ones | Nov 14 18:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @ffkp New Swedish Doctoral Dissertation: 'Metaphors and Norms - Understanding Copyright Law in a Digital Society'. http://ur1.ca/5tu5p | Nov 14 18:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @ffkp Come and bowl with #FFKP on thursday at 19.00, especially all you #fscons volunteers! :-D http://ur1.ca/5sjtk | Nov 14 18:21 | |
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| _Goblin | re your link... schestowitz .... I think its a given that as we move into downloads and less physical media, not only will we further see the death of the highstreet but a battle for control of your media collection.....I'm not personally too happy about that. | Nov 14 18:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Where Linux crushes Windows likes a bug: Supercomputers http://ur1.ca/5tudo #gnu #linux #windows #microsoft #supercomputer #datacenter | Nov 14 18:24 | |
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| MinceR | sebsebseb: i've already abandoned it ages ago | Nov 14 18:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Court makes it official: You have no privacy online http://ur1.ca/5tuec #security #privacy #internet #web | Nov 14 18:26 | |
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| sebsebseb | MinceR: CD's ? | Nov 14 18:28 |
| MinceR | yes | Nov 14 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | Why? | Nov 14 18:28 |
| MinceR | because it's crap | Nov 14 18:28 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: exactly | Nov 14 18:29 |
| schestowitz | we are already seeing a war on backup | Nov 14 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Frankly, this will make an opening for indie stuff, so I kind of look forward to that. I'm not part of the copyright cartel, so it hardly affects me at all. | Nov 14 18:29 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: seen our posts in COLA | Nov 14 18:30 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: which ones? | Nov 14 18:30 |
| schestowitz | The MS agents seem to be out re B&N | Nov 14 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Which means MS is truly worried about its extortion coming to light | Nov 14 18:30 |
| schestowitz | The NDAs unsealed | Nov 14 18:30 |
| schestowitz | and the content they apply to as well | Nov 14 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Nokia was 'sold' to MS for one billion | Nov 14 18:30 |
| schestowitz | ONE billion | Nov 14 18:30 |
| _Goblin | COLA is great! | Nov 14 18:30 |
| Kryczek | pocket money | Nov 14 18:31 |
| schestowitz | COLA has been fun recently | Nov 14 18:31 |
| _Goblin | its been a motivator to me for many years... | Nov 14 18:31 |
| schestowitz | occasionaly there's attempt to libel Chris | Nov 14 18:31 |
| schestowitz | But it just shows the trolls running out of ideas | Nov 14 18:31 |
| _Goblin | now you will be accused of talking about them!!!!!! | Nov 14 18:32 |
| _Goblin | COLA is very good though for entertainment.....Ive had some fun over the last few days there. | Nov 14 18:32 |
| schestowitz | The question is, who is they? | Nov 14 18:33 |
| _Goblin | does it matter? | Nov 14 18:33 |
| schestowitz | The 1000 socks in Gary's closet? | Nov 14 18:33 |
| _Goblin | and all odd | Nov 14 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Between the boots and mascara? | Nov 14 18:33 |
| schestowitz | The trolls are hardly there now | Nov 14 18:33 |
| schestowitz | remember who used to be there | Nov 14 18:33 |
| schestowitz | I could name names | Nov 14 18:33 |
| schestowitz | And then you'd see how many fled | Nov 14 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | I think there are just 5 trolls at most left | Nov 14 18:34 |
| schestowitz | by fa outnumbered by advocates who include lurkers | Nov 14 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Lurkers are not trolls | Nov 14 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Trolls don't lurk | Nov 14 18:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Full Features in the Fedora 16 Cloud http://ur1.ca/5tuje #fedora #gnu #linux #software #virtualization #cloud #microsoft #windows | Nov 14 18:34 | |
| schestowitz | Linux proponents lurk | Nov 14 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | When the trolls leave for good there will be disucssion of Linux advocacy and news | Nov 14 18:35 |
| schestowitz | lots of Android now | Nov 14 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Mobile Linux | Nov 14 18:35 |
| schestowitz | It's all the rage | Nov 14 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Why you think that? | Nov 14 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: isn't have a pshyicall album nice really? | Nov 14 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Ascends to tablets... | Nov 14 18:35 |
| schestowitz | And as B7N notes, will at some stage replace Windows on notebooks too... Chrome OS for example | Nov 14 18:35 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: it doesn't retain quality | Nov 14 18:35 |
| schestowitz | like photo albums | Nov 14 18:35 |
| schestowitz | I scan at very high-res all my photo album | Nov 14 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Took me a few days of work | Nov 14 18:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Craig Murray » Blog Archive » Matthew Gould and the Plot to Attack #Iran - #usa #uk #israel #stateterrorism #wwiii http://goo.gl/KzE5m | Nov 14 18:36 | |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: because in a CD all that protects your data from air (which will destroy it) is a thin layer of lacquer | Nov 14 18:36 |
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| schestowitz | When the colours degrade I'll still have the digital quivs from 2006 | Nov 14 18:36 |
| MinceR | i've found even DVDs to be somewhat unreliable | Nov 14 18:36 |
| schestowitz | not only that | Nov 14 18:36 |
| MinceR | flash drives are a lot more reliable and smaller too | Nov 14 18:36 |
| schestowitz | remembet that old media becomes unplayable | Nov 14 18:36 |
| schestowitz | the players for it cease to be made | Nov 14 18:36 |
| MinceR | plus CDA is a really fragile format | Nov 14 18:37 |
| schestowitz | [planned obsolescence | Nov 14 18:37 |
| MinceR | (they skimped on error correcting bits) | Nov 14 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | yep the CD's stop working over time | Nov 14 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | or wahtever | Nov 14 18:37 |
| MinceR | your player covers up the errors so it's just worse quality for a while | Nov 14 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | CDA? CD audio? | Nov 14 18:38 |
| MinceR | yes | Nov 14 18:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: crc? | Nov 14 18:41 |
| MinceR | no, it's more complicated than that | Nov 14 18:41 |
| MinceR | iirc | Nov 14 18:42 |
| schestowitz | some cd players don't skip the error | Nov 14 18:42 |
| schestowitz | they give uo | Nov 14 18:42 |
| schestowitz | *uop | Nov 14 18:42 |
| schestowitz | depending on the maker, module | Nov 14 18:42 |
| schestowitz | it's utter rubbish | Nov 14 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Some of my old CD-ROMs, where errors are not skipped or worked around\, are just a coaster with some label as far as I'm concerned | Nov 14 18:43 |
| schestowitz | With data CDs that also have compressed data on them this whole scheme is utterly useless | Nov 14 18:43 |
| MinceR | http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=Compact_Disc | Nov 14 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | any small blamish ruins the whole | Nov 14 18:43 |
| MinceR | i think this is still on CDA, but i'm not sure >> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Cross-Interleaved_Reed-Solomon_Coding | Nov 14 18:44 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Tutorial: faking Depth of field in photos or movies with #Blender http://ur1.ca/5turs #animation #software #graphics #3dmax #windows | Nov 14 18:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @comzeradd #HTML5 games, video get boost from full-screen API in !Firefox nightly http://bit.ly/vdRsq0 | Nov 14 18:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @michelenlared #Turpial Greatest #Twitter #identica Client Application in #Ubuntu http://ur1.ca/5sr1i !linux | Nov 14 18:54 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Turpial : Greatest Twitter Client Application in Ubuntu .::. Size~: 63.66 KB | Nov 14 18:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] "CC is showing us the magic of sharing" says CC Guatemala project lead @avilarenata. Please donate today. http://goo.gl/aOM40 | Nov 14 18:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Tuning Embedded Linux: When Less is More | http://t.co/doFCX95m http://t.co/cClSxKiy | Nov 14 18:58 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Something _Goblin linked to: http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/2011/11/microsoft-gives-up-on-competit.php | Nov 14 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | I saw that | Nov 14 19:04 |
| schestowitz | and I wrote about this in techrights | Nov 14 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Look for "bribe" in the front page | Nov 14 19:04 |
| schestowitz | I stringed that with another item from the UK | Nov 14 19:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Monday's security advisories http://ur1.ca/5tuxa | Nov 14 19:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The War Against the Poor http://ur1.ca/5tv0a #economy #europe #romania #taxation #ows #bank #business | Nov 14 19:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] voted for "C is fine for anything" | Nov 14 19:13 | |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: You know it a poor state of affairs when Microsoft can't give something away for free and include "gifts" with the offer too..... What on earth does MS have to do to stop erosion of IE share? I'd suggest nothing, people have wised up to Microsoft, they want something, anything else but them. | Nov 14 19:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Thanks for voting :-{ | Nov 14 19:14 | |
| schestowitz | But there still needs to be action like invetigation | Nov 14 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Miceosoft now uses extortion too | Nov 14 19:16 |
| schestowitz | And tries to rob customer | Nov 14 19:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Current Members! Join Staff Attorney @JulieSamuels for drinks next Monday at EFF's Speakeasy: Chicago! https://eff.org/r.5Gm | Nov 14 19:16 | |
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| schestowitz | e.g. when customers buy Android | Nov 14 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft wants to force them to pay MS and its trolls | Nov 14 19:16 |
| schestowitz | So it's far from over | Nov 14 19:16 |
| schestowitz | The criminal enterprise is just working behind closed doors now... along with that shady foundation, same tricks | Nov 14 19:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] !identica could it be that registration e-mails to new users are not being sent, or are being delayed? I've seen a couple of cases /cc @evan | Nov 14 19:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How The Entertainment Industry Is Killing #Copyright - http://bit.ly/up4DCt it's just too restrictive, you see... | Nov 14 19:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is kevie with 48 dents! | Nov 14 19:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] More on MSFT #FUD and #extortion tactics ! http://ur1.ca/5tv7e | Nov 14 19:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] From My Dirty Little Secret to My Favorite Tool for E-Pedagogy: How 1 University Professor Learned to Love Wikipedia - http://bit.ly/uYQg2h | Nov 14 19:26 | |
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| iophk | http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2011/11/how-barnes-noble-became-an-open-source-hero/index.htm | Nov 14 19:26 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: http://identi.ca/notice/85152546 | Nov 14 19:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Glyn Moody (glynmoody)'s status on Friday, 11-Nov-11 16:18:55 UTC - Identi.ca: good to see BBC beginning to report on the mess that is #patents - http://bbc.in/sbiAbB (v @Coadec) | Nov 14 19:28 |
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| sebsebseb | http://identi.ca/notice/85152546 | Nov 14 19:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Glyn Moody (glynmoody)'s status on Friday, 11-Nov-11 16:18:55 UTC - Identi.ca: good to see BBC beginning to report on the mess that is #patents - http://bbc.in/sbiAbB (v @Coadec) | Nov 14 19:28 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @Tanfoglio_ zou @t1mdp weten dat de ruimte tussen de poten precies de afmetingen zijn van een rack? | Nov 14 19:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @Choisissez hehe, geen probleem ;) | Nov 14 19:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @kat_braybrooke of course we want one :) we'll be able to add real content the 22th of November - No id http://ur1. ... | Nov 14 19:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @geertwilderspvv vervolgens met #deneuro investeren in onderwijs? Zal nodig zijn. #akkoord | Nov 14 19:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @bartnelis wij helpen als vzw heel graag met juridische bepalingen en controle of aan de definitie van http://ur1. ... | Nov 14 19:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp heb je ze nu nog? Dan is ze voor @Tanfoglio_ en mij al gratis ^^ #protip | Nov 14 19:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp je hebt het IKEA-tafeltje gekocht van €5? | Nov 14 19:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @VincentVQ Belgium should be on here: http://t.co/ZSxMwiEG #opendata | Nov 14 19:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @ibbt: TWIRL is geboren: data-platform op basis van Apache Hadoop & HBase http://ur1.ca/5tva1 i.s.m http://ur1. ... | Nov 14 19:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @jwyg: Anyone interested in translating @openspending project? ;-) http://t.co/x7H63MSo #opendata | Nov 14 19:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @bartnelis: #delijn start met realtime informatie op website - De Standaard http://t.co/m2hGZW4o via @destandaard | Nov 14 19:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @tandespacio: Si tienes un móvil con Android y vas a viajar a Bélgica, aplicaciones recomendadas " http://ur1.ca ... | Nov 14 19:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @ViA_Vlaanderen: Lieten: 'Niet snoeien in innovatie'. Vlaamse Regering bevestigt dat innovatie prior http://ur1. ... | Nov 14 19:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @OKFN: Hacks and hackers gather to write the first Data Journalism Handbook http://t.co/ic1uVblk | Nov 14 19:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @kat_braybrooke why you no have http://t.co/lLaRoZ3q? ;) | Nov 14 19:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @DirDigEng: RT @TheMapAddict: London Bus Stop Live http://t.co/QxjZwFLR | #opendata #openuk | Nov 14 19:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] Sorry to insist, but please help !KDE if you haven't already :) http://ur1.ca/5cxzb | Nov 14 19:38 | |
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| ender_2070 | hi xface | Nov 14 19:45 |
| ender_2070 | roy unbanned me | Nov 14 19:45 |
| MinceR | must have been a mistake | Nov 14 19:46 |
| schestowitz | a whole ISP was banned | Nov 14 19:46 |
| schestowitz | which blocked legitimate members like trmanco | Nov 14 19:47 |
| ender_2070 | interesting | Nov 14 19:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] How the #BBC's HD #DRM plot was kept secret … and why http://gu.com/p/3356j | Nov 14 19:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #SOPA Piracy bill could destroy FLOSS projects - http://bit.ly/tFiG4n I was going to write this, but Brian has already done it well: read it | Nov 14 19:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jrepin/@jrepin] RT @glynmoody #SOPA Piracy bill could destroy FLOSS projects - http://bit.ly/tFiG4n I was going to write this, but Brian has already don ... | Nov 14 19:53 | |
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| ender_2070 | schestowitz - don't worry, I'll be good as far as the channel rules go | Nov 14 19:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why All Filmmakers Should Speak Out Against #SOPA - http://bit.ly/vdQfBC powerful piece; by a filmmaker | Nov 14 19:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @michelenlared: @sudaraka do whatever the hell you want - there's your answer "I will spam regardless of whether folks like it" | Nov 14 20:01 | |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/mgeist/statuses/136098600114597888 | Nov 14 20:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @mgeist: Keystone XL and the Future of Bill C-11 - could U.S. setbacks lead to a thawing on the digital lock freeze? http://t.co/T5hPrq4L | Nov 14 20:05 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] last night's hacking on sap was quit the let down. For some reason I couldn't seek in a paused playbin. grrrrrrrrr | Nov 14 20:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] No speedy trial for Bradley Manning-now in pre-trial detention for 560 days http://t.co/UiIRT7BU | Nov 14 20:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jrepin/@jrepin] The Great Features of !KDE Workspaces and Applications Part I - Dolphin → http://is.gd/Ke2uCX !linux !fs | Nov 14 20:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @jezra that was mostly for @jonkulp | Nov 14 20:33 | |
| msb__ | This could be used to destroy Linux itself: http://bit.ly/tFiG4n | Nov 14 20:49 |
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| msb__ | By any corporation. | Nov 14 20:50 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @glynmoody: Perhaps The Copyright Industry Deserves Some Credit For Pointing Out Our Single Points Of Failure - http://bit.ly/ubExD2 | Nov 14 20:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] You can't. But don't worry; flags are just advisory. | Nov 14 20:59 | |
| ender_2070 | msb_ In the united states | Nov 14 21:11 |
| ender_2070 | msb_ cuba isn't passing any laws against it ;) | Nov 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | "openSUSE Booster at SUSE / Novell" http://fr.linkedin.com/in/vincentuntz | Nov 14 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | Painted as community | Nov 14 21:20 |
| schestowitz | But employed with MS cash | Nov 14 21:20 |
| msb__ | ender_2070: Even if Linux vendors moved their servers to Cuba, they would still be blocked in the US. | Nov 14 21:21 |
| msb__ | I guess it would be one more reason for any person who has a mind, any person who thinks, to move out of the US -- the fascist center of the world. | Nov 14 21:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] Did you know that you can run a #Tor bridge in the Amazon cloud for free for a year? Check out the Tor Cloud: https://cloud.torproject.org/ | Nov 14 21:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Where the hell has Join +DIASPORA* gone? It's been down all day for me. I suppose it must be related to the death of a co founder? | Nov 14 21:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the Help Vampire http://goo.gl/gQa9c lol !Linux #FOSS | Nov 14 21:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] therefore, SOPA can take down Opera, Microsoft, Apple and Google, for they supply web browsers used for © infringement | Nov 14 21:53 | |
| ender_2070 | msb_ the US is just one part of the world | Nov 14 21:56 |
| ender_2070 | msb_ Canada, Europe, Soviet Union, etc | Nov 14 21:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] The show was The Mighty Boosh. Not such a good match as I thought :) http://ur1.ca/5txeg | Nov 14 21:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Why all filmmakers should speak out against #SOPA https://eff.org/r.G9n #Blacklist | Nov 14 22:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] It varies from city to city, not London but definitely Paris for instance. | Nov 14 22:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] FSFE: Swedish activist receives Nordic Free Software Award 2011 http://ur1.ca/5txfr | Nov 14 22:04 | |
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| ender_2070 | msb_ however, the US will probably pressure everyone else to adopt a similar law (like DMCA and three strikes laws) | Nov 14 22:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Miniconfs are reaching for a star - you! http://t.co/zkX5aSMQ #LCA2012 | Nov 14 22:08 | |
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| ender_2070 | msb_ I have faith that they won't do it right away, Canada has been fighting a DMCA style law for a while | Nov 14 22:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] In answer to the question "will a 15.5 gallon keg fit in a Karmann Ghia?", I can answer with a resounding *yes* | Nov 14 22:09 | |
| ender_2070 | msb_ I don't think they are targetting linux just cause though, I think they are attacking any non-government authorized OS | Nov 14 22:11 |
| MinceR | they're doing it wrong | Nov 14 22:12 |
| ender_2070 | conspiracy theorists like me and msb know why they are doing it wrong | Nov 14 22:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RT @mv Another exciting show #cyberunions Episode 26 Music and Movements...we spoke with David Rovics http://ur1.ca/5txlb | Nov 14 22:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I know all the Turkish I am likeley to need.. kebab. | Nov 14 22:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Android 4.0 source released http://ur1.ca/5txno | Nov 14 22:23 | |
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| ender_2070 | msb_ americans should file complaints against microsoft | Nov 14 22:24 |
| ender_2070 | just cause | Nov 14 22:24 |
| ender_2070 | seems there is no punishment for accusers, and they could get their funding cut temporarily | Nov 14 22:25 |
| MinceR | they should lynch the m$ board of directors | Nov 14 22:26 |
| ender_2070 | that won't do enough damage imo, if they got their funding cut every week based on a new persons complaint | Nov 14 22:28 |
| ender_2070 | they would get screwed | Nov 14 22:28 |
| MinceR | i think they'd eventually run out of managers | Nov 14 22:29 |
| MinceR | or stop with the dick moves | Nov 14 22:29 |
| ender_2070 | i wonder how it would effect the stock market too | Nov 14 22:29 |
| MinceR | i see usian lobbyists decided they've had enough of rule of law already and want something else now | Nov 14 22:31 |
| MinceR | (referring to SOPA) | Nov 14 22:31 |
| ender_2070 | yup | Nov 14 22:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @eff Why all filmmakers should speak out against #SOPA https://eff.org/r.G9n #Blacklist | Nov 14 22:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @meanmicio Article on GNU Health in Linux Magazine Brasil #gnuhealth #tryton !gnu !fsf http://bit.ly/qev7Nv | Nov 14 22:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @torproject Did you know that you can run a #Tor bridge in the Amazon cloud for free for a year? Check out the Tor Cloud: https://clo ... | Nov 14 22:31 | |
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| ender_2070 | fourth amendment be damned | Nov 14 22:31 |
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| MinceR | well, they could come to hungary and learn how to demolish rule of law and a constitutional state quickly and destructively | Nov 14 22:31 |
| ender_2070 | they might be interested in efficiency, it seems they are on the same path but slower | Nov 14 22:32 |
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| oiaohm | https://groups.google.com/group/android-building/msg/c0e01b4619a1455a?pli=1 Nice android source on way. | Nov 14 22:34 |
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| msb__ | Fascism has to be brought in slowly so it doesn't awaken the sleeping masses. | Nov 14 22:34 |
| msb__ | Until it's too late. | Nov 14 22:35 |
| MinceR | not sure if that's what they're doing | Nov 14 22:35 |
| oiaohm | msb__: its all the source code include version 3 of android | Nov 14 22:36 |
| oiaohm | Correctly tagged. | Nov 14 22:36 |
| ender_2070 | msb_ I respectfully half-disagree, I think its any style of authoritarianism | Nov 14 22:36 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: ????? | Nov 14 22:36 |
| MinceR | i'd just call any form of authoritarianism "fascism" | Nov 14 22:36 |
| MinceR | they're all the same, with a bit different dressing on top | Nov 14 22:36 |
| MinceR | same results too | Nov 14 22:36 |
| oiaohm | Hmm | Nov 14 22:36 |
| msb__ | No, fascism is rule by the ultra-wealthy. | Nov 14 22:37 |
| oiaohm | Ok what is the current topic. | Nov 14 22:37 |
| ender_2070 | mincer, socialism and communism are also authoritarian when funded by the ultra wealthy | Nov 14 22:37 |
| MinceR | msb__: the rulers become ultra-wealthy if they weren't so before | Nov 14 22:37 |
| MinceR | msb__: i'd say owning a state and everyone in it qualifies as "ultra-wealthy" | Nov 14 22:37 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: Not all cases. China communism was done by the poor. | Nov 14 22:37 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: and under educated. | Nov 14 22:38 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - but the ultra wealthy control it | Nov 14 22:38 |
| MinceR | i doubt that the ones in control of red china are poor by any means | Nov 14 22:38 |
| ender_2070 | the ultra wealthy and upper middle class can buy their way out of the one child per family laws | Nov 14 22:38 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: also not true for the one that started the rusian one either. | Nov 14 22:38 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - if you can afford 20,000 pounds, you can have another kid in China | Nov 14 22:39 |
| ender_2070 | in effect, that means the poor will die off as they won't reproduce as fast | Nov 14 22:39 |
| MinceR | i know that here in hungary the communists/socialists/call them whatever you like had all the rhetoric against rich people, then moved into the rich people's houses and started emulating their lifestyle | Nov 14 22:39 |
| msb__ | Real -- democratic -- socialism is never funded by the ultra-wealthy. | Nov 14 22:39 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: To be correct that 20 000 is hong kong. | Nov 14 22:39 |
| MinceR | "democratic socialism" doesn't exist | Nov 14 22:39 |
| ender_2070 | mincer +1 | Nov 14 22:39 |
| msb__ | MinceR doesn't exist. | Nov 14 22:40 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: commuinust china you try to have extra baby and the goverment finds out they kill the baby. | Nov 14 22:40 |
| ender_2070 | there never has been 'true' communism | Nov 14 22:40 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - yes I know | Nov 14 22:40 |
| MinceR | msb__: do you want me to prove my existence to you? | Nov 14 22:40 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: the 20 000 dollar big comes from when hong kong was under democary | Nov 14 22:40 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - I had an article where one woman was brutalized, she got kicked in the stomache and was forced to have an abortion | Nov 14 22:40 |
| msb__ | MinceR: You can't. You're a robot. | Nov 14 22:40 |
| MinceR | msb__: robots exist too, but i'm not one of them | Nov 14 22:40 |
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| oiaohm | ender_2070: that is the two different systems. | Nov 14 22:40 |
| ender_2070 | msb_ can you show us an example of communism without a dictator? | Nov 14 22:41 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: Both have turned out to be effective for population countrol. | Nov 14 22:41 |
| XFaCE | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! | Nov 14 22:41 |
| MinceR | ender_2070: he'll just call a dictator not a dictator | Nov 14 22:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | ahahah someone broke XFaCE | Nov 14 22:41 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - as far as I know you can still pay for an extra kid | Nov 14 22:41 |
| MinceR | usual commie party line, etc. | Nov 14 22:41 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: hong kong brought that in. | Nov 14 22:41 |
| msb__ | I can show examples of socialism without a dictator -- Nicaragua and, formerly, Libya. | Nov 14 22:42 |
| ender_2070 | mincer - castro said that he wanted to make sure he is replaced with a socialist government | Nov 14 22:42 |
| ender_2070 | msb_ Wasn't Gaddaffi the dictator in Libya?? | Nov 14 22:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | gaddaffi dictates my heart <3 | Nov 14 22:42 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: To be correct it not only pay extra 20 000 pound of back paypents for governement funding on your first china and then everything for both children is changed at max rate. | Nov 14 22:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | wait, how did ender_2070 get off my ignore | Nov 14 22:42 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 14 22:42 |
| *Diablo-D3 solves problems. | Nov 14 22:42 | |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: Unless the two childern are spaced far enough apart. | Nov 14 22:43 |
| ender_2070 | diablo, probably the slightly different name - couldnt remember my nickserv password | Nov 14 22:43 |
| MinceR | enough far apart that one of them is outside red china? :> | Nov 14 22:43 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: Yes it is possoble in china for a person to have 2 children at no extra charge. | Nov 14 22:43 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - ill look into it again | Nov 14 22:43 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: but its a 19 years space. | Nov 14 22:43 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - thanks for the update, the article I saw didnt specify | Nov 14 22:43 |
| msb__ | Gaddaffi was not a dictator, at least he was less so than American presidents, UK prime ministers, etc. He established a system of government by participatory democracy. | Nov 14 22:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | but how do you keep your woman pregnant like god intended? | Nov 14 22:43 |
| ender_2070 | msb_ I think he was removed because of the lack of a central bank | Nov 14 22:44 |
| ender_2070 | not cause he was socialist | Nov 14 22:44 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: techically 3 would be possible but only just inside the bio limits. | Nov 14 22:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] almost no traffic, experiment: green wave on 南磨房路 exist only around 55Km/h (max: 60Km/h, no sense) on 西大望路 it's non-existent at any speed. | Nov 14 22:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Yes that's polite, luckily my local Turkish takeaway speak English. England is to language studies what Holland is to mountaineering. | Nov 14 22:44 | |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: china is after a reducing population. | Nov 14 22:44 |
| msb__ | It was both. There was a central bank, but it was not connected with the main banking cartel. | Nov 14 22:45 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - yeah but it looks like they want to reduce the poor first | Nov 14 22:45 |
| msb__ | Now a Rothschild bank has been established in Libya. | Nov 14 22:45 |
| ender_2070 | figures msb | Nov 14 22:45 |
| ender_2070 | lol | Nov 14 22:45 |
| ender_2070 | rothschilds can't let anyone live in peace without their banks | Nov 14 22:45 |
| ender_2070 | i must run, to catch my bus | Nov 14 22:46 |
| ender_2070 | bbl | Nov 14 22:46 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: the pay for child also reduced the rich. | Nov 14 22:46 |
| msb__ | The wealthy always attack socialist nations because with socialism the workers get the profits, not wealthy owners. | Nov 14 22:46 |
| MinceR | how do they get the profits if they can't own property? | Nov 14 22:46 |
| ender_2070 | msb_ I don't think the wealthy have problems with socialism if they can corrupt it | Nov 14 22:46 |
| XFaCE | Aw, good 'old ender_2070, my non-fellow Canuck | Nov 14 22:47 |
| msb__ | MinceR: People can own property under socialism, just not large means of production. | Nov 14 22:47 |
| ender_2070 | msb_ they could turn a country into slave labour | Nov 14 22:47 |
| MinceR | msb__: who decides if it's a "large means of production"? | Nov 14 22:47 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: It pushed the poor in the direction of middle class since two poor merge there wealth into 1 child. And the rich that can afford more children end up with there wealth divided. | Nov 14 22:47 |
| ender_2070 | xface, I know what you say behind my bank - don't worry I won't attack you | Nov 14 22:47 |
| msb__ | ender_2070: Correct. | Nov 14 22:47 |
| XFaCE | ender_2070: I like your bank. | Nov 14 22:47 |
| ender_2070 | back lol | Nov 14 22:48 |
| ender_2070 | anyways, gonna get my bus | Nov 14 22:48 |
| msb__ | MinceR: The people would vote on it, presumably. | Nov 14 22:48 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: Yes hong kong has some of the most blanced wealth due to the baby policy. | Nov 14 22:48 |
| MinceR | what if the people decide this is all bullshit? | Nov 14 22:48 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Then they would elect you president. | Nov 14 22:48 |
| MinceR | unlikely | Nov 14 22:49 |
| MinceR | also, you should lay off the ad hominem | Nov 14 22:49 |
| oiaohm | msb__: How do you know your vote was ever counted?? | Nov 14 22:49 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Apologies for the outburst, my conspira-babble alarm exploded. | Nov 14 22:49 |
| oiaohm | Think about the USA system. | Nov 14 22:50 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Exit polls. Or voting could be non-secret. | Nov 14 22:50 |
| oiaohm | Exit polls don't tell you that you vote was ever counted. | Nov 14 22:50 |
| MinceR | non-secret voting means you can force people to vote your way | Nov 14 22:50 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Are you saying that the idea of electing you president is an ad hominem attack on you? | Nov 14 22:51 |
| MinceR | that's the reason voting is secret in the first place | Nov 14 22:51 |
| oiaohm | Yep and non secret does not work ether. | Nov 14 22:51 |
| oiaohm | All systems can be rigged. | Nov 14 22:51 |
| oiaohm | USA system is some of the most rigged. | Nov 14 22:51 |
| oiaohm | If you join a party in the USA you cannot decide to vote against it. | Nov 14 22:51 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: correct | Nov 14 22:51 |
| MinceR | i didn't know that | Nov 14 22:51 |
| oiaohm | Its rigged in many ways. | Nov 14 22:52 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 14 22:52 |
| msb__ | No if you join a party in the US you can't vote in nominating (primary) elections of the other party. | Nov 14 22:52 |
| msb__ | You can certainly vote against your party in the final election. | Nov 14 22:53 |
| oiaohm | msb__: In fact no. The voting paper in particular states you will get are party based. | Nov 14 22:53 |
| oiaohm | So the other candates are not on your vote paper | Nov 14 22:53 |
| oiaohm | Then there is the non compusleray voting bit. | Nov 14 22:54 |
| msb__ | That's only for ballots of _primary_ -- _nominating_ -- elections. | Nov 14 22:54 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Where do you live? | Nov 14 22:54 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: that's just deciding whom your party will nominate for the election for president, isn't it? | Nov 14 22:54 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Problem I looked accross the complete USA after dialo disaster. | Nov 14 22:55 |
| oiaohm | You know that computerised voting machine that was rigged many times. | Nov 14 22:55 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Yes. Members of the other party can't vote to nominate, so they can't sabotage this party. | Nov 14 22:55 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Particular states forbid it for the same reason you just said. | Nov 14 22:56 |
| oiaohm | back in history stack of people joined a party with the pure goal of having that party with a useless candate. | Nov 14 22:57 |
| MinceR | they should have supported more parties then | Nov 14 22:57 |
| oiaohm | Then voted for the party they had come from in the final. | Nov 14 22:57 |
| MinceR | that would have been the democratic solution to the issue | Nov 14 22:57 |
| msb__ | I live in US. I was registered Democrat because I thought they were a little better. Then I registered Republican so I could vote to nominate Ron Paul. In the final election I could vote for McCain or Obomber. | Nov 14 22:58 |
| MinceR | well, representational democratic, anyway | Nov 14 22:58 |
| oiaohm | Parties really stuff up democratic process. | Nov 14 22:58 |
| MinceR | msb__: oiaohm says it's dependent on which state you live in | Nov 14 22:58 |
| oiaohm | That is the big thing about the usa. | Nov 14 22:58 |
| oiaohm | different states have different voting systems. | Nov 14 22:59 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Whether you can vote in the primary for the opposite party depends on the state. | Nov 14 22:59 |
| oiaohm | Different rules. | Nov 14 22:59 |
| oiaohm | for the same ellection. | Nov 14 22:59 |
| msb__ | But in all states everyone can vote for any candidate in the final election. | Nov 14 22:59 |
| oiaohm | The system is highly gammeed. | Nov 14 22:59 |
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| oiaohm | Proper voting systems are the same rules everywhere. | Nov 14 23:00 |
| oiaohm | Its why when a company tried to make a electronic voiting system the code base for usa is way more complex than any other country. | Nov 14 23:00 |
| msb__ | The main problem is, except for a very few people who never get nominated or elected, both parties are controlled by the ultra-wealthy (and zionists) and are thus fascist. | Nov 14 23:00 |
| MinceR | especially with the backdoors :> | Nov 14 23:00 |
| oiaohm | msb__: think about it who as the free time to vote. | Nov 14 23:01 |
| MinceR | shouldn't be an issue | Nov 14 23:01 |
| MinceR | voting can be held on non-workdays | Nov 14 23:01 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: That's not a problem. It doesn't take long. | Nov 14 23:01 |
| oiaohm | msb__: here in australia we have a publiic holiday to vote. and if we don't vote its a fine. | Nov 14 23:01 |
| MinceR | here voting happens on weekends | Nov 14 23:01 |
| oiaohm | Australia has mandory voting MinceR | Nov 14 23:02 |
| MinceR | well, happened anyway | Nov 14 23:02 |
| oiaohm | msb__: | Nov 14 23:02 |
| MinceR | not sure how long the nazis will keep elections | Nov 14 23:02 |
| msb__ | In the US, it's the citizens who get it in the backdoors. | Nov 14 23:02 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Most USA ellections less than 20 percent of the popluation vote. | Nov 14 23:02 |
| msb__ | They'll keep rigged elections and rigged parties. It's essential for the facade of democracy. | Nov 14 23:03 |
| MinceR | afaik the usian election system also distorts heavily in favor of the winning party | Nov 14 23:03 |
| oiaohm | And guess what is the adverage percent of people that can be controled by media. | Nov 14 23:03 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: They don't have anyone worthwhile to vote for. | Nov 14 23:03 |
| MinceR | (and sometimes in even worse ways) | Nov 14 23:03 |
| oiaohm | msb__: the percent is 15 percent can be media controlled. | Nov 14 23:03 |
| oiaohm | msb__: so basically media is running your country. | Nov 14 23:03 |
| MinceR | (like the person who got voted on by less citizens wins the election due to distortions) | Nov 14 23:04 |
| msb__ | It's much more than that. Almost everyone gets their idea of reality from the corporate media. | Nov 14 23:04 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Here In australia we have to vote no matter if we think they are worth while or not. | Nov 14 23:04 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Currently it never happend. But if over 50% of the vote was crossed out votes. | Nov 14 23:05 |
| oiaohm | msb__: No candate would get in and all candates would be forbin from being in the relection. | Nov 14 23:05 |
| oiaohm | Australian system there is techical clause to deal with a case of everyone being put up that you hate. | Nov 14 23:06 |
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| oiaohm | Ie over 50 percent of the population hate. | Nov 14 23:06 |
| msb__ | Don't you Aussies generally elect fascist bastards? | Nov 14 23:06 |
| msb__ | Like we do. | Nov 14 23:06 |
| MinceR | well, they were trying to build a Great Firewall | Nov 14 23:07 |
| MinceR | not sure how it's going now | Nov 14 23:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: It fell threw. | Nov 14 23:07 |
| MinceR | how hard? | Nov 14 23:07 |
| oiaohm | msb__: current goverment is hung. | Nov 14 23:07 |
| MinceR | "not this time, but next year we'll try again"? | Nov 14 23:07 |
| MinceR | or "not now, not ever"? | Nov 14 23:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Australia you can never say a idea is fully dead. | Nov 14 23:08 |
| MinceR | or even just "we'll just fix a few inconsequential details"? | Nov 14 23:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: but its in the dark room that should mean its gone for about 6 to 7 years. | Nov 14 23:08 |
| MinceR | does the general public understand that it would be bad to have a Great Firewall and why? | Nov 14 23:08 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: "hung" how? Well hung, hung with a rope, what? | Nov 14 23:08 |
| oiaohm | No party has control out right at the moment. msb__ | Nov 14 23:08 |
| msb__ | Ah | Nov 14 23:08 |
| oiaohm | To win moitions they have to make agreements with each other. | Nov 14 23:09 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 14 23:09 |
| MinceR | you don't know how lucky you are | Nov 14 23:09 |
| oiaohm | And there are 3 major idependants in the middle of the floor. | Nov 14 23:09 |
| oiaohm | And a pack of greens. | Nov 14 23:09 |
| MinceR | here the nazis got 2/3 of the seats in the parliament (enough for anything), and so they took down the democratic order | Nov 14 23:09 |
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| MinceR | they could have won the election without getting 2/3 of the seats and it was decided in the second round of elections | Nov 14 23:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: We had that before. But we have a safe guard. | Nov 14 23:10 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Sounds great. I might want to move there except for the spiders and snakes. | Nov 14 23:10 |
| MinceR | so if hungarians weren't so fucking stupid, they could have avoided this | Nov 14 23:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember we still have the queen. | Nov 14 23:10 |
| MinceR | but hungarians are still fucking stupid | Nov 14 23:10 |
| MinceR | the nazis still got over 50% on the first round of a midterm election days ago | Nov 14 23:10 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: that's sad | Nov 14 23:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: she cannot directly do anything bar dismiss the parlement. | Nov 14 23:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: ie if something like that nazis thing happend the queen can force the county back to another vote. | Nov 14 23:11 |
| MinceR | i don't like dictatoric "solution"s | Nov 14 23:11 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Did hungarians vote for nazis because they were so traumatized by communists? | Nov 14 23:11 |
| MinceR | msb__: well, they were kind of put off by the party that is the successor to the commie party | Nov 14 23:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the queen has only interfered once. | Nov 14 23:12 |
| MinceR | msb__: but the nazis too mostly come from the commie party and its youth organization, like most of the hungarian political "elite" | Nov 14 23:12 |
| MinceR | (mszmp and kisz) | Nov 14 23:12 |
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| MinceR | there were noncommies trying to start careers but until this catastrophe they didn't get far | Nov 14 23:13 |
| MinceR | now they're trying but the zombies seem to still just want more of the nazi dictatorship | Nov 14 23:13 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember queen has to apply her power threw a person the current goverment and oposing parties accept and she expects. | Nov 14 23:13 |
| MinceR | i'm planning to leave the country in a few years if i can | Nov 14 23:14 |
| oiaohm | So Australia has really made sure of our system. | Nov 14 23:14 |
| MinceR | let these idiots kill each other, if that's what they want | Nov 14 23:14 |
| oiaohm | Our problem that some australia want to get rid of the queen of england at the top. | Nov 14 23:14 |
| MinceR | let them scare off everyone with a brain and then die of disease or kill each other for food | Nov 14 23:14 |
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| oiaohm | What other system around the world has a safe gard that works. | Nov 14 23:14 |
| MinceR | you can't force a country to be free and democratic | Nov 14 23:14 |
| MinceR | if the citizens don't want to be free, they won't be | Nov 14 23:15 |
| oiaohm | We did here. MinceR | Nov 14 23:15 |
| oiaohm | You forget for early time of Australia we were ruled by the red coats ie britsh mil. | Nov 14 23:15 |
| msb__ | MinceR: The fundamental problem is psychopathy in the culture. People then get programmed to psychopath thinking and behavior. | Nov 14 23:15 |
| MinceR | msb__: i'm afraid most of these people just don't do any thinking at all | Nov 14 23:16 |
| prurigro | msb__: sorry to cut in, but I think sociopathic is closer to the term you're looking for? | Nov 14 23:16 |
| msb__ | MinceR: They are programmed that way in school: sit down, don't move, be quiet, remember what you're told, and repeat it when tested. | Nov 14 23:16 |
| MinceR | well, there's no thinking in that :> | Nov 14 23:17 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Exactly the problem. | Nov 14 23:17 |
| oiaohm | Schools don't teach critical thinking. | Nov 14 23:17 |
| msb__ | prurigro: Maybe. According to wikipedia, psychopathy may be genetic, and sociopathy learned. | Nov 14 23:17 |
| oiaohm | because that would be too hard on the teachers. | Nov 14 23:17 |
| MinceR | actually our schools tend to just make you memorize stuff without understanding it | Nov 14 23:17 |
| MinceR | lots of useless data | Nov 14 23:18 |
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| msb__ | Schools generally program students NOT to think. | Nov 14 23:18 |
| msb__ | Which is what the wealthy rulers want. | Nov 14 23:18 |
| cubezzz | msb__, there's some truth to that | Nov 14 23:18 |
| msb__ | Slaves. | Nov 14 23:18 |
| MinceR | the fact that we mostly collect the least competent people into the schools and give them very low pay doesn't help | Nov 14 23:18 |
| cubezzz | mostly people are conditioned to follow instructions | Nov 14 23:18 |
| msb__ | Half of my teachers _hated_ children. | Nov 14 23:18 |
| prurigro | msb__: psychopathy requires a genetic predisposition and the environmental factors that create a sociopath | Nov 14 23:19 |
| MinceR | most of my teachers hated children | Nov 14 23:19 |
| MinceR | and liked to rule | Nov 14 23:19 |
| cubezzz | it's a wonder anyone learns anything in HS | Nov 14 23:19 |
| prurigro | a psychopath seeks out violence against for sexual reasons | Nov 14 23:19 |
| oiaohm | My best teachers in high school had PHD and was at school for the fun of it. | Nov 14 23:19 |
| MinceR | and had no useful scientific knowledge at all | Nov 14 23:19 |
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| msb__ | In any case, in a pro-human cultures, psychopaths would be handled, and sociopaths would not be created. | Nov 14 23:19 |
| oiaohm | My best teachers did teach critical thinking. | Nov 14 23:20 |
| oiaohm | Result was funny. | Nov 14 23:20 |
| oiaohm | By teaching critical thinking we could do Uni level exams. | Nov 14 23:20 |
| prurigro | sociopaths are closer to the teachers you're talking about; they lack empathy and display aggressive, controlling behaviour towards others | Nov 14 23:20 |
| oiaohm | So in those cases if you got a C grade when state adveraged you end up with a B grade. | Nov 14 23:21 |
| oiaohm | Because your exams were too hard. | Nov 14 23:21 |
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| cubezzz | none of my teachers were too bad | Nov 14 23:21 |
| cubezzz | some even showed enthusiasm | Nov 14 23:22 |
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| oiaohm | All my teachers showed enthusiasm if they were sane. cubezzz | Nov 14 23:23 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: Put it this the school I was from a teach that was not showing enthusiasm become top of the list to be pranked. | Nov 14 23:23 |
| oiaohm | And not minorally. | Nov 14 23:24 |
| prurigro | msb__: that's somewhat idealistic since there are plenty of chance happenings that set the groundwork for sociopathic tendencies, though you're right in that it would be reduced | Nov 14 23:24 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: funnest thing was a chem teacher who came to our school because he wanted to get away from bomb threats. Yet the school I was from had the most explosions of any school in the state. | Nov 14 23:25 |
| prurigro | even sociopaths range from aggressive business people to violent criminals based on the social constructs built around them | Nov 14 23:25 |
| prurigro | on that note | Nov 14 23:25 |
| msb__ | prurigro: When sociopathic tendencies are noticed, the person can be helped, e.g., befriended and asked why they're so angry, and don't care about others. | Nov 14 23:25 |
| msb__ | prurigro: In a good culture that would occur in childhood. | Nov 14 23:26 |
| prurigro | msb__: ahh, but as far as any therapies humanity has produced to help sociopathic (and psychopathic) behaviour, all of them consistently make the undesirable traits worse | Nov 14 23:26 |
| msb__ | I think Aldous Huxley's great utopian book _Island_ deals with that a bit. | Nov 14 23:27 |
| oiaohm | Sociopathic types make good share traders. prurigro | Nov 14 23:27 |
| prurigro | msb__: the majority of people are sociopathic between the ages of about 13 and 17, and before this lack the mental functioning to be one | Nov 14 23:27 |
| MinceR | somehow i doubt that asking ballmer why he's so angry and why he doesn't care about others would change his personality | Nov 14 23:27 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: every mental flaw fits somewhere | Nov 14 23:27 |
| prurigro | therefore, sociopaths can only be diagnosed after the age of 18 | Nov 14 23:27 |
| msb__ | MinceR: It's much to late for Ballmer. | Nov 14 23:27 |
| MinceR | i'm afraid this planet is full of people for whom it is much too late. | Nov 14 23:28 |
| cubezzz | I wonder about Ballmer. I mean does he wake up in the morning and think "I deserve all my billions"? | Nov 14 23:28 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: to be correct a sociopath can be diagnosed at 14 Still treatable until 18 | Nov 14 23:28 |
| msb__ | prurigro: no, in a human culture, not full of TV violence, children who are harsh to others would stand out. | Nov 14 23:28 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: I'd tend to agree, I see humans similar to ants in that respect, where there are different ratios of all sorts of predominant archetypes that we would have evolved to produce for the creation a balanced society | Nov 14 23:29 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: where did you read this? last I checked the DSM IV said the individual had to be older than 18? | Nov 14 23:29 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: ants are better at placing the correct ones in the correct place. | Nov 14 23:29 |
| MinceR | in the case of ants, individual ants are not particularly meaningful from the gene (evolutionary) standpoint | Nov 14 23:30 |
| MinceR | humans work very differently | Nov 14 23:30 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: note the 14 year old diagnoses can be removed by treatments. 18 and on it can be stuck for good. | Nov 14 23:30 |
| prurigro | well keep in mind that we would have evolved these ratios when we were living in groups of people that ranged between 50 and 2000 people | Nov 14 23:30 |
| prurigro | and our individual evolutionary path would have likely catered specifically to the group size our ancestors came from | Nov 14 23:31 |
| MinceR | (from the entire hive, only the queen and the drone get to pass on their genes, the others are effectively just limbs for them | Nov 14 23:31 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: DSM IV lists when it should be placed on someones perminte medical record. | Nov 14 23:31 |
| MinceR | ) | Nov 14 23:31 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: Not when it can be detected. | Nov 14 23:31 |
| MinceR | so it makes sense for individual ant bodies having highly specialized purposes | Nov 14 23:31 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: Ie DSM IV basically lists when it cannot be properly fixed. | Nov 14 23:32 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: the 14 year old diagnosis might be | Nov 14 23:32 |
| MinceR | also note that the requirements of a "balanced society" change a lot with the progress of technology | Nov 14 23:32 |
| prurigro | err, bumped enter there | Nov 14 23:32 |
| prurigro | the technical term is antisocial personality disorder | Nov 14 23:32 |
| prurigro | which can be diagnosed at the age of 18 | Nov 14 23:33 |
| prurigro | and people younger than this can be diagnosed with conduct disorder | Nov 14 23:33 |
| MinceR | isn't conduct disorder just "doesn't comply with orders"? :> | Nov 14 23:33 |
| oiaohm | What basically says. Lets give the same illness too different names. prurigro | Nov 14 23:34 |
| oiaohm | And make one diagnose for the young that is generic. | Nov 14 23:34 |
| oiaohm | conduct disorder contains about 20 different illness | Nov 14 23:34 |
| prurigro | well the problem is that if you tested anyone between the ages of ~13-14 and 18 for antisocial personality disorder, they'd test positive | Nov 14 23:34 |
| oiaohm | Like at school my dyslexia was called a learning disablity | Nov 14 23:35 |
| oiaohm | So they stuck everyone with a learning disablity in the same room. | Nov 14 23:35 |
| oiaohm | When that does not work. | Nov 14 23:35 |
| prurigro | when your emotional system is developing during your teen years, you have all the traits of a sociopath, and those whose emotional systems never fully develop end up with antisocial personality disorder | Nov 14 23:36 |
| prurigro | typically their emotional systems do eventually develop, but its closer to the age of 40-50 by the time it does | Nov 14 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Yes you show traits of sociopath in that time frame. | Nov 14 23:36 |
| prurigro | which is why violent criminals turn into friendly old people | Nov 14 23:36 |
| oiaohm | But they are only minor traits. | Nov 14 23:36 |
| oiaohm | And not all kids between 13 to 18 show those traits. | Nov 14 23:37 |
| prurigro | not 100% of them | Nov 14 23:37 |
| oiaohm | The ones that don't | Nov 14 23:37 |
| prurigro | likely have emotional systems that develop differently | Nov 14 23:37 |
| oiaohm | have a 0 percent of being a sociopath | Nov 14 23:37 |
| prurigro | well I guess that depends on why they don't | Nov 14 23:37 |
| schestowitz | it's not purely genetic | Nov 14 23:37 |
| MinceR | so how can you detect before the age of 18 where someone's going? | Nov 14 23:37 |
| schestowitz | correlated with it | Nov 14 23:37 |
| prurigro | maybe they're depressed | Nov 14 23:37 |
| schestowitz | inherent tendencies | Nov 14 23:37 |
| schestowitz | aggression for example | Nov 14 23:38 |
| prurigro | which would simply be masking those tendencies | Nov 14 23:38 |
| schestowitz | also surrounded by parents with similar genetic traits | Nov 14 23:38 |
| schestowitz | so influence from genetics and behavioural aspects are intertwined | Nov 14 23:38 |
| prurigro | aggression doesn't translate to sociopathy | Nov 14 23:38 |
| schestowitz | prurigro: can't | Nov 14 23:38 |
| prurigro | necessarily | Nov 14 23:38 |
| oiaohm | But one of the things that is unique to a sociopath that you detect at 14 is how they treat animals. prurigro | Nov 14 23:38 |
| schestowitz | you'r be ostracised for rejecting those tendencies | Nov 14 23:38 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: strangly enough. | Nov 14 23:38 |
| schestowitz | some societies breed and reard greed | Nov 14 23:38 |
| schestowitz | others brotherhood | Nov 14 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Some religion | Nov 14 23:39 |
| prurigro | nothing is purely nature or nurture | Nov 14 23:39 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: kid bad treating creatures at 14 is basically going to be a sociopath | Nov 14 23:39 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: you're talking about psychopathy | Nov 14 23:39 |
| prurigro | ala animals | Nov 14 23:39 |
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| schestowitz | Ruggerising children | Nov 14 23:39 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: I mean like a pet hamster or something else | Nov 14 23:40 |
| schestowitz | A spank a day takes dignity away | Nov 14 23:40 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: the sociopath shows up in interactions with items weaker than them. | Nov 14 23:40 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: by 14 most kids have respect and care for creatures. | Nov 14 23:40 |
| schestowitz | /perceptually/ weaker | Nov 14 23:40 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: ie the burn of ants and other items should be out there menual built up by 14. | Nov 14 23:41 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: if they're violent towards animals as kids, you're now looking at another direction that starts to look at crossed wires in the brain concerning sexual pleasure and violence | Nov 14 23:41 |
| prurigro | this paired up with with the factors that produce a sociopathic is what's currently agreed on as the cause of a psychopath | Nov 14 23:42 |
| MinceR | and what can you do if you see the kid torture animals? | Nov 14 23:42 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: burning ants doesn't really count-- they need to be able to connect with the animal they're hurting empathetic-ally | Nov 14 23:42 |
| cubezzz | dahmer is a good counter-example | Nov 14 23:43 |
| cubezzz | or a good example of non-empathy | Nov 14 23:43 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: Ie random voince to creatures ie the burn of ants is gone by 14. | Nov 14 23:43 |
| prurigro | MinceR: there's not enough data to know anything for sure at that point, but a warm authoritative household seems like your best bet | Nov 14 23:43 |
| prurigro | cubezzz: continue? | Nov 14 23:43 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: or should be. | Nov 14 23:44 |
| cubezzz | he was fascinated by animal bones at a very young age | Nov 14 23:44 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: In a person developing to sociopathic still maintains the randomish volicence to creatures. | Nov 14 23:44 |
| cubezzz | parents were absent a lot of the time | Nov 14 23:44 |
| MinceR | "you know, there's a full set of animal bones right inside your body!" | Nov 14 23:44 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: ants wouldn't tell either way, but a cat or dog certainly would, and you have to keep in mind that children haven't completely developed a theory of mind at that stage yet either, so it could be happening for other reasons too | Nov 14 23:45 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 14 23:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | I only maintain randomish violence to your mom. | Nov 14 23:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | she likes it rough | Nov 14 23:45 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: a sociopath might kill a cat without flinching, but a psychopath will seek out a cat to kill it | Nov 14 23:45 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: depends if the ants are the lab ants in a experment or not. | Nov 14 23:45 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: it all about lack of compassion. | Nov 14 23:46 |
| prurigro | cubezzz: yea, permissive parents, authoritarian parents and neglectful parents, as well as a missing father figure all seem to contribute | Nov 14 23:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh noes! I might be insane! I lack compassion for lesser beings! | Nov 14 23:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | silly hairless apes | Nov 14 23:46 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: sociopathy is a lack of empathy and amped up aggression | Nov 14 23:46 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: exacty. | Nov 14 23:47 |
| prurigro | psychopathy is all that, plus deriving sexual pleasure from violence | Nov 14 23:47 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: yes, we know | Nov 14 23:47 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: teen age causes rebell against other humans. | Nov 14 23:47 |
| prurigro | which is why its possible to guess at who might become a psychopath later in life based on how they treat animals | Nov 14 23:47 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: that is what makes it different to normally sociopathy. | Nov 14 23:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: protip: everyone is either a sociopath or a psychopath | Nov 14 23:48 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: Ie sociopathy is not particularly about what they are bad to. | Nov 14 23:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | everyone | Nov 14 23:48 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: in your teens you also lack the ability to feel guilt close to as strong as you can after that, if your NT | Nov 14 23:48 |
| MinceR | Network Terminal? | Nov 14 23:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | new technology? | Nov 14 23:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | and if my NT whats? | Nov 14 23:49 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: Nice Try | Nov 14 23:49 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: yea, sociopaths can do good for society; sometimes you need that person who can pull the trigger without flinching-- psychopaths on the other hand are pretty much completely detrimental | Nov 14 23:49 |
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| prurigro | Diablo-D3: which are you? | Nov 14 23:50 |
| prurigro | oh haha, I thought the topic changed | Nov 14 23:50 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: that was of the interesting things. About teens if they hurt a creature they will normally feel guilt worse. Hurt a another human so what. | Nov 14 23:50 |
| prurigro | NT = neurotypical | Nov 14 23:50 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 14 23:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | lol neurotypical | Nov 14 23:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | no such thing | Nov 14 23:50 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: basically there is a very disticent different between a teen being a teen and a teen that is on the path sociopaths. | Nov 14 23:51 |
| prurigro | lol, you can be if you accept only the agreed upon spectrum of diagnosis | Nov 14 23:51 |
| prurigro | but otherwise, yea, everyones neurodifferent :) | Nov 14 23:51 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: not according to the diagnostic criteria, though feel free to debate that angle of things | Nov 14 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Windows neurotypical | Nov 14 23:52 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Hi Roy, there's an ender roaming about here. | Nov 14 23:52 |
| schestowitz | "better unix than unix" | Nov 14 23:52 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: I could smell it from the other room | Nov 14 23:52 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: WindoesN'T Workstation | Nov 14 23:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: hell, look at the dsm v draft | Nov 14 23:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | they finally fixed autism | Nov 14 23:52 |
| prurigro | oh? | Nov 14 23:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: work?! LOL | Nov 14 23:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | its properly recognized as a spectrum disorder | Nov 14 23:53 |
| XFaCE | "Windows 2000: Built on NT technology" | Nov 14 23:53 |
| prurigro | nice haha | Nov 14 23:53 |
| prurigro | autism is interesting | Nov 14 23:53 |
| XFaCE | So build on New Technology technology | Nov 14 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Vista 8 will be better Vista than Vista | Nov 14 23:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: officially, NT means "new tech.... what XFaCE said | Nov 14 23:53 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: I have done a lot of research on invevention and how to detect to do inverention. Diagnostic criteria most of them are writing only really taken interactions with other humans into account. | Nov 14 23:53 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: "just download this patch and it's gone"? | Nov 14 23:53 |
| prurigro | it adhd and schizophrenia are acutally all plieotropic | Nov 14 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Vista 8: now you can virtualise Vista while you Vista! | Nov 14 23:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: autism isnt interesting, but at least conners autism (autism in the dsm) and aspergers are both considered autism | Nov 14 23:54 |
| prurigro | and that particular gene was apparently added to human dna via Neanderthals | Nov 14 23:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | fucking neanderthals | Nov 14 23:54 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 14 23:54 |
| schestowitz | oh no | Nov 14 23:54 |
| schestowitz | don't go there | Nov 14 23:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | literally and figuratively | Nov 14 23:54 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Vista 8, built on Vista technology built on XP technology built on 2000 technology built on NT technology built on OS/2 technology built on CPM technology | Nov 14 23:54 |
| schestowitz | ender_2070 is here | Nov 14 23:54 |
| prurigro | where? | Nov 14 23:54 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: Its the compassion to creatures that in the end puts the breaks on the teen socipath course. | Nov 14 23:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: ITS SO EASY, EVEN ENDER2070 CAN DO IT | Nov 14 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Caveman Brandon | Nov 14 23:54 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: Ie teen lacking that is basically a run away train without breaks. | Nov 14 23:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyhow | Nov 14 23:55 |
| MinceR | XFaCE: you forgot VMS :> | Nov 14 23:55 |
| XFaCE | God damnit, more people gotta go on I2P | Nov 14 23:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think everyone has it all wronng | Nov 14 23:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | there is no psychopathy or sociopathy | Nov 14 23:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Vista MicroSoft :-) | Nov 14 23:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | its people who havent learned the golden rule. | Nov 14 23:55 |
| MinceR | "A Really Broken VMS Clone Pretending To Be CP/M" | Nov 14 23:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | lazyness beats all. | Nov 14 23:55 |
| schestowitz | They got Cutler, didn't they? | Nov 14 23:55 |
| XFaCE | Pathetic: 11 peers | Nov 14 23:55 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: "He who makes the gold makes the rules"? | Nov 14 23:56 |
| schestowitz | To copy their rival's products | Nov 14 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft: the company everyone "copies" | Nov 14 23:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: no, the other golden rule | Nov 14 23:56 |
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| Diablo-D3 | I mean, yes, Im aware of the fact theres like 9000 golden rules | Nov 14 23:56 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: oh. | Nov 14 23:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | but lazyness beats all | Nov 14 23:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | why kill people? takes too much energy | Nov 14 23:56 |
| MinceR | might save energy on the long run | Nov 14 23:56 |
| cubezzz | uh, War World I, II | Nov 14 23:57 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: except when you are sitting on a bomb that is going to explode in a few mins. | Nov 14 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: `you give me gold, I give you rule, kapish? | Nov 14 23:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: see, that doesnt work | Nov 14 23:57 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: Or end up putting out a cigerate in gun power because it closer. | Nov 14 23:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | if I was alive then, ww2 would have been much shorter | Nov 14 23:57 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i think Diablo-D3 will say "oh good, no more exertion after a few minutes, ever again!" | Nov 14 23:57 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: you and what army? | Nov 14 23:57 |
| cubezzz | basically a fight for resources | Nov 14 23:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | they would have no dropped a bomb from a bomber, they would have dropped a very angry me from a bomber. | Nov 14 23:57 |
| MinceR | i doubt that a single splatter of blood would have been so intimidating | Nov 14 23:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | europe would be largely depopulated by now. | Nov 14 23:58 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: or if you wanna get more technical, its when the part of the brain that's capable of producing compassion and guilt when there's a lack of it completing its development | Nov 14 23:58 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: exactly but some of it should still be detectable at 14. If its not you are in big trouble. | Nov 14 23:59 |
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| prurigro | Diablo-D3: you can actually view the difference between a normal person's brain and that of a psychopath using an fMRI | Nov 14 23:59 |
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