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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Vyatta Secures $12 Million in Funding Led by HighBAR Partners http://is.gd/RgSflm it's also a #GNU #Linux distroNov 17 00:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Vyatta Secures $12 Million in Funding Led by HighBAR Partners | www.vyatta.com .::. Size~: 23.85 KBNov 17 00:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Amarok 2.5 Beta 1 Released, Integrates Amazon Music Store http://ur1.ca/5vjjk #kde #linuxNov 17 00:15
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cubezzzto my point of view the desktop OS isn't disappearingNov 17 00:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] got the believing brain and the greatest show on earth, I think I'm set until #gravmass !skepticNov 17 00:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Good stuff! http://ur1.ca/5vjq8Nov 17 00:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Fight for free speech online - reject the Internet #Blacklist Legislation. https://eff.org/r.C8ANov 17 00:22
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: Take Action | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 25.18 KBNov 17 00:23
XFaCElots of riddics todayNov 17 00:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @evan why don't you have the identica logo censored? people in the US use identica tooNov 17 00:23
schestowitzmakeNov 17 00:27
schestowitzoopsNov 17 00:27
schestowitzwrong windowsNov 17 00:27
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2011/11/17/shut-doors/Nov 17 00:27
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/85381378Nov 17 00:27
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-11 00:13:07 UTC - Identi.ca: How to keep your Wi-Fi location out of #Google http://ur1.ca/5vjk4Nov 17 00:27
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/85381369Nov 17 00:27
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-11 00:12:56 UTC - Identi.ca: Speaking up for media freedom http://ur1.ca/5vjjq Kroes' speech writer on imp. issueNov 17 00:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @mediagoblin Want a preview of !GNU !MediaGoblin 's upcoming <video> support? Check this out: http://ur1.ca/5v6uiNov 17 00:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] BlueCava, Inc. joined W3C - BlueCava, Inc. joined as a new W3C Member. http://ow.ly/1fGKUPNov 17 00:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] OME DEBATES are rarely tolerated because they challenge fundamental assumptions that are repeated over and over again. http://ur1.ca/5vk11Nov 17 00:33
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prurigroCheck out this drug PSA from (I'm pretty sure) Denmark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SlAMsaQbM4&feature=g-allNov 17 01:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: XTC MDMA Ecstacy Drugstest Nr 3 Spuiten en Slikken (English Subtitles)       - YouTube .::. Size~: 94.31 KBNov 17 01:05
prurigroI think the world would be a slightly better place if all the uncomfortable issues were handled in this wayNov 17 01:05
DaemonFCthat's not a brain!Nov 17 01:07
DaemonFCit's breakfast!Nov 17 01:07
DaemonFCOK, who else could go for some eggs?Nov 17 01:07
DaemonFCI've been up for 5 days on methNov 17 01:07
DaemonFCHow about some eggs?Nov 17 01:07
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 01:07
prurigrolmaoNov 17 01:08
prurigroeveryone's like "ohhh, how convinced through science I am!"Nov 17 01:08
prurigrothey should have ended it with everyone eating breakfastNov 17 01:09
prurigrotalking about how delicious it isNov 17 01:09
DaemonFCmmmm, brains!Nov 17 01:09
DaemonFCbrains on drugs are tasty!Nov 17 01:09
prurigroand then someone lets on that its their friend who tried meth's brainsNov 17 01:09
DaemonFCgive me coffee!Nov 17 01:09
prurigrohey, the coffee alcohol and tobacco industries have spent a lot of money making an imaginary line between those and other drugs, lets not undermine their spending power here...Nov 17 01:10
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DaemonFCI like brains on drugs for breakfastNov 17 01:12
DaemonFCI like dipping my toast in the brain yolk Nov 17 01:12
DaemonFCmmmmNov 17 01:12
prurigroas long as its the egg style brain on drugsNov 17 01:13
prurigroif its the circuit board kind, I'd rather just connect it to my local networkNov 17 01:13
DaemonFCif it's the circuit board kind then you must be on some magic mushrooms or acid to be eating itNov 17 01:14
DaemonFCit only tastes delicious because you're wastedNov 17 01:14
DaemonFCyou're really breaking your teeth on a circuit boardNov 17 01:14
DaemonFCsnap out of it!Nov 17 01:14
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 01:14
prurigroI don't find I'm especially hungry on psychedelics hahaNov 17 01:15
prurigrosince you're on drugs though, your brain might be  computer tooNov 17 01:15
prurigromaybe you could network themNov 17 01:15
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DaemonFCyour brain is a computerNov 17 01:20
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 01:20
prurigrotrue, though the arch is pretty amazingly differentNov 17 01:23
prurigroeach neuron acting like its own core for an extremely targeted taskNov 17 01:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @aarongnielsen: Great #Day4JA poster, courtesy of @Nyxxisnite - http://t.co/eXWjLqEwNov 17 01:42
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DaemonFC""We drove through the snow to get here. He (Ballmer) is talking about tablets and phones as if it were a new thing. Apple's had these things for years. My granddaughters don't even know what Microsoft does. They should treat the owners better than they do.""Nov 17 02:00
DaemonFChttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45309968/ns/business/#.TsLTy1b6NoU'Nov 17 02:00
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DaemonFCthen they gave them the bum's rush out of the conference roomNov 17 02:08
DaemonFCanswering questions means they have to answer honestly or criminal charges could be filed laterNov 17 02:08
DaemonFCand god forbid something like "Why are you losing $2 billion a year on Bing?" should come upNov 17 02:08
prurigroDaemonFC: its funny though, because apple got their idea for the ipad directly from microsoftNov 17 02:14
prurigroapple's feat was knowing how to implement it in a ways that attracted the general marketNov 17 02:14
DaemonFC"The findings said 56 percent of adults continue to prefer private insurance versus 39 percent who would favor a government-run system. That compares with a 61 percent to 34 percent margin a year ago."Nov 17 02:16
DaemonFCmakes me wonder who they polledNov 17 02:16
DaemonFCand if they had ever gotten sick and fought an insurance company Nov 17 02:16
prurigrololNov 17 02:17
prurigroI think a big problem is that people think they already have itNov 17 02:17
prurigrodespite the fact that the republicans crippled the idea from its very coreNov 17 02:18
DaemonFCok, they probably polled rich people who have good insuranceNov 17 02:18
prurigrowhat obama was able to get out there is going to suck in a lot of situationsNov 17 02:18
DaemonFCthe kind of insurance that most people can't buy even if they wanted toNov 17 02:18
prurigroand people are goiong to blame that on having public insuranceNov 17 02:18
DaemonFCwhat needs to be done is thisNov 17 02:19
DaemonFCoutlaw for-profit health insuranceNov 17 02:19
DaemonFCround up the former executives and upper management of those companiesNov 17 02:19
DaemonFCload them into a rocketNov 17 02:19
DaemonFCand fire them into the SunNov 17 02:19
prurigrololNov 17 02:20
prurigroits too late for them *sniff*Nov 17 02:20
prurigroyea thoNov 17 02:20
prurigrohonestlyNov 17 02:20
DaemonFCload up all the people who claimed that for-profit insurance was a good thingNov 17 02:20
DaemonFCload them into a rocketNov 17 02:20
DaemonFCfire it into the SunNov 17 02:20
DaemonFCchances are we lose a lot of stupid or really corrupt peopleNov 17 02:20
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 02:20
DaemonFCwe'll manageNov 17 02:20
prurigroeveryone from the states who disagrees with public insurance says I can't say I know for sure that its good, despite living in canadaNov 17 02:20
prurigrobut its actually spectacularNov 17 02:21
prurigroand lol yea, lets just get rid of all the MBAs and CEOs in generalNov 17 02:21
DaemonFCI wouldn't know, I've only been covered for my whole life and never had to argue about who is paying Nov 17 02:21
DaemonFC:PNov 17 02:21
DaemonFCsay that to the next oneNov 17 02:21
prurigrohrm?Nov 17 02:22
DaemonFCthe insurance companies drop you if you can't payNov 17 02:22
prurigrooh hahaNov 17 02:22
DaemonFCand they drop the ones that pay them as soon as they do get sickNov 17 02:22
prurigrowell yea, but I mean, the biggest argument seems to be to those who are like youNov 17 02:22
prurigrosaying that because you have insurance and can pay, you're getting better service overall than I might in canadaNov 17 02:23
prurigroyet, from everyone I've talked to, it seems like the standard of care is actually worse despite payingNov 17 02:23
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prurigrothat's not to say I've seen the whole picture of courseNov 17 02:24
DaemonFCI'm not using for-profit insuranceNov 17 02:24
DaemonFCI get a bandaid and a $10,000 hospital billNov 17 02:25
DaemonFCB-)Nov 17 02:25
DaemonFChoorayNov 17 02:25
DaemonFCthey claim their inflated prices are due to people that aren't insuredNov 17 02:25
DaemonFCthen if you are insured, they lower the price they charge to the insurance company by about halfNov 17 02:26
prurigrooh wordNov 17 02:26
prurigrothat's bizarre hahaNov 17 02:26
DaemonFCthe insurance company is big enough to threaten to remove a hospital from their networkNov 17 02:26
DaemonFCand send their customers elsewhereNov 17 02:26
DaemonFCso they get better pricing :)Nov 17 02:27
prurigroso like everything else, the companies get priority over living peopleNov 17 02:27
DaemonFCif your bill without insurance is $10,000Nov 17 02:27
DaemonFCthey would charge a typical insurance company $5,000-$6,000 for the same treatmentNov 17 02:27
DaemonFCbut the kicker isNov 17 02:27
DaemonFCthey send you a bill for $10,000Nov 17 02:27
DaemonFCthen claim they really billed you $11,000 but took $1,000 off to be charitableNov 17 02:28
DaemonFC:DNov 17 02:28
DaemonFChave to give them a discount of negative $4,000 Nov 17 02:30
DaemonFCI mean, they're uninsured!Nov 17 02:30
DaemonFC;)Nov 17 02:30
DaemonFCyou can't be a total bastardNov 17 02:30
B`rendango steal their hummersNov 17 02:30
DaemonFCyou charge them $4,000 more than you would an insurance companyNov 17 02:30
DaemonFCand claim it's a discount for being uninsuredNov 17 02:30
DaemonFCB`rendan: I was thinking more like rip off their head and shit down their neckNov 17 02:32
DaemonFCbecause they are criminalsNov 17 02:32
DaemonFCand they deserve less than thatNov 17 02:33
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 02:33
B`rendanyeah, but i worry about how most people have chat logs Nov 17 02:33
B`rendan:)Nov 17 02:33
DaemonFCoh fuck chat logsNov 17 02:33
DaemonFCI'll tell them the same thing to their faceNov 17 02:33
DaemonFCthey think they scare me with things like "Final Notice"Nov 17 02:33
DaemonFCI sent one of them back a letter that said thanks for the final noticeNov 17 02:34
B`rendanand they'll laugh and say ` look at this drugged up tosser, he probably needs medical insurance'Nov 17 02:34
DaemonFCso this means I won't be getting any more trash bag filler from you?Nov 17 02:34
B`rendanshowing them who's boss :PNov 17 02:35
prurigroholy shit, 10k is ridiculous for anythingNov 17 02:35
prurigromy friend had a tumour in canada, got airlifted for brain surgury the next dayNov 17 02:35
prurigrostayed in a hostpiral for a weekNov 17 02:35
prurigroand had a month of followupsNov 17 02:35
prurigrocost:$0Nov 17 02:35
DaemonFCprurigro: In America, they would have left him to die unless that tumor had about $100,000 in itNov 17 02:36
DaemonFCthen they'd be racing for the scalpel Nov 17 02:36
prurigrolmaoNov 17 02:36
DaemonFCX-Ray shows it's full of cash!Nov 17 02:37
DaemonFCBite down on this son, we're gonna get that thing out of you!Nov 17 02:37
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 02:37
B`rendanthe cancer cash craze!Nov 17 02:37
prurigroop, he's dead... but at least we have all this money!Nov 17 02:37
prurigro*staff throws keggar*Nov 17 02:38
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DaemonFChttp://distrowatch.com/images/screenshots/fedora-16-fallback.pngNov 17 02:45
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DaemonFCGNOME 3 failed to load. :( Nov 17 02:45
DaemonFCOur condolences. You'll have to use a desktop that works instead.Nov 17 02:45
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 02:45
prurigrololNov 17 02:47
prurigroheyNov 17 02:47
prurigrognome3 can actually be pretty awesomeNov 17 02:47
prurigrothough it'd be nice if the gnome2 setup was still being maintained tooNov 17 02:47
DaemonFCOpenSuse XFCE uses LightDMNov 17 02:57
DaemonFCno escape from it, it's spreadingNov 17 02:57
DaemonFCagggghNov 17 02:57
prurigroyou no like?Nov 17 02:59
prurigroI think the philosophy of the project is good, though admittedly I haven't tried itNov 17 02:59
B`rendannice english, who ever wrote that gnome messageNov 17 03:18
B`rendanthe philosophy of it?Nov 17 03:19
prurigroLightDMNov 17 03:19
B`rendanyeah, whats its philosophy?Nov 17 03:20
prurigroa common framework, rather than reinventing the wheel each timeNov 17 03:20
prurigrowhich unlike a DE in other respects, seems to be pretty consistent all aroundNov 17 03:20
B`rendanrightNov 17 03:21
B`rendani dont even use a login manager, cant work out how it would be usefulNov 17 03:21
prurigroI used to run withoutNov 17 03:21
prurigrobut then if you wanna exit XNov 17 03:22
prurigroand start it backupNov 17 03:22
prurigroyou're running via vtermNov 17 03:22
prurigrowhich means any security I setup on my desktop is essentially null and void unless I kill vtermsNov 17 03:22
prurigrobut then I can't fix things when they go wrong as easilyNov 17 03:23
prurigroanyway :)Nov 17 03:23
B`rendanno idea what this is all aboutNov 17 03:23
prurigrowhether or not to use a login managerNov 17 03:24
prurigro+ why I now doNov 17 03:24
B`rendani know that much, but how does it break security and suchNov 17 03:24
prurigrowell on first boot, you have your startup script init xNov 17 03:24
prurigroso that's all goodNov 17 03:24
prurigrobut say you need to restart x because you updated your graphic driver or somethingNov 17 03:24
prurigroyou're gonna have to reinit through a vtermNov 17 03:25
B`rendanisnnt there cntrl alt backspace or something?Nov 17 03:25
prurigrowhich you can then get back out to and access direct shellNov 17 03:25
prurigroctrl-alt-backspace, if you haven't disabled it just kills xNov 17 03:25
prurigrodoesn't reinitNov 17 03:25
prurigrounless you have a login managerNov 17 03:26
prurigro(tho its your login manager re-initiating, not X)Nov 17 03:26
cubezzzjust run startx as a userNov 17 03:26
B`rendanwhats wrong with being at the shell?Nov 17 03:26
prurigrowell say you've disabled access to a shell for a while so you can let others use your computer in a little sandbox you've allowed them toNov 17 03:28
prurigroI suppose you could just create other users for them, tho that involves additional setup and maintenance I'm personally too lazy forNov 17 03:28
B`rendannever done that beforeNov 17 03:28
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prurigrowell, then my personal reasons might not apply to you :)Nov 17 03:28
B`rendankkNov 17 03:29
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B`rendanDaemonFC: isnt opensuse microsofts gnu/linux ?Nov 17 03:29
cubezzzopensuse, the x86 only OSNov 17 03:31
B`rendanshows other archs on their main page...Nov 17 03:35
XFaCEB`rendan: You are correct.Nov 17 03:40
B`rendanhow many people here using fully free distros?Nov 17 03:43
cubezzzso what other architectures are supported?Nov 17 03:44
XFaCEI wager not that many.  I'm currently in a lumpNov 17 03:44
XFaCE*slump.Nov 17 03:44
cubezzzI see x86 and x86-64Nov 17 03:45
XFaCEB`rendan: You are running Trisquel?Nov 17 03:45
cubezzzyou want something that supports a lot of architectures then netbsd is a good choiceNov 17 03:46
B`rendanI'm running parabolaNov 17 03:48
B`rendancubezzz: they have a picture of 3 cds on their homepage, one says ppcNov 17 03:49
cubezzzppc was droppedNov 17 03:50
cubezzzof course, you can still run oldNov 17 03:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Ilya Zhitomirskiy: In Memoriam http://ow.ly/1fGA56Nov 17 06:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Just found out I have a degree in Environmental Science -- http://identi.ca/url/60361880 -- should really get a nicer chair.Nov 17 06:45
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schestowitz"Tough question. Depends upon need. Ubuntu 10.04 LTS - Desktop CrunchBang Stadler - Netbook Firewall - Smoothwall etc etc " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/828324Nov 17 07:09
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/829986 "Cool, maybe Vyatta can start to take some market share from #Cisco soon."Nov 17 07:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] A Look at #Mandriva 2011 PowerPack http://ur1.ca/5vwh5 #gnu #linuxNov 17 07:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mandriva Linux Chronicles: Mandriva 2011 PowerPack: A quick image tour .::. Size~: 109.88 KBNov 17 07:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the IRC channels nowNov 17 07:42
schestowitzhttp://me.hippofield.com/2011/11/ubuntu-we-all-should-thank-you-however.htmlNov 17 07:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Hippofield .::. Size~: 6.1 KBNov 17 07:51
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/831603 "Linux Mint is gaining more popularity than Ubuntu "Nov 17 08:07
TechrightsBot-tr@: Nov 17 08:07
schestowitz"Its the other side of Coin!! :D " http://twitter.com/koolhead17/status/137077902503182337?iid=am-206364096013215168938473356&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208Nov 17 08:07
TechrightsBot-tr@koolhead17: @schestowitz Its the other side of Coin!! :DNov 17 08:07
schestowitz"I am using already! great..." https://joindiaspora.com/posts/831603Nov 17 08:15
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/85394041 http://identi.ca/notice/85394240 http://identi.ca/notice/85394265 http://identi.ca/notice/85394335Nov 17 08:16
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-11 07:47:35 UTC - Identi.ca: #Firefox 8 grabs 35% of traffic in just one week http://ur1.ca/5vwx7 #mozillaNov 17 08:16
prurigroso apparently this 'great firewall' issue isn't actually a firewall?Nov 17 08:16
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Firefox 8 grabs 35% of traffic in just one week .::. Size~: 73.31 KBNov 17 08:16
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-11 07:55:08 UTC - Identi.ca: Linux Mint 12 in Review http://ur1.ca/5vx4r #linuxmint #gnu #linuxNov 17 08:16
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/85394571Nov 17 08:16
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: The Linux Experience: Linux Mint 12 Mini Review .::. Size~: 77.21 KBNov 17 08:17
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-11 07:56:07 UTC - Identi.ca: A Look at #Fedora 16 Features http://ur1.ca/5vx6cNov 17 08:17
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Fedora 16 review – laying the groundwork for an exciting future | Linux User .::. Size~: 53.22 KBNov 17 08:17
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-11 07:58:42 UTC - Identi.ca: #LinuxMint 12 Praised un the Press http://ur1.ca/5vx9t #ubuntuNov 17 08:17
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/85394571Nov 17 08:18
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Mint 12: Just what the doctor ordered | ExtremeTech .::. Size~: 51.59 KBNov 17 08:18
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-11 08:06:54 UTC - Identi.ca: #Ardour: An Audio Editor That's Hard to Master and Tough to Beat http://is.gd/wYi17w  #freeosoftwareNov 17 08:18
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Linux News: Reviews: Ardour: An Audio Editor That's Hard to Master and Tough to Beat .::. Size~: 65.39 KBNov 17 08:18
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-11 08:06:54 UTC - Identi.ca: #Ardour: An Audio Editor That's Hard to Master and Tough to Beat http://is.gd/wYi17w  #freeosoftwareNov 17 08:18
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Linux News: Reviews: Ardour: An Audio Editor That's Hard to Master and Tough to Beat .::. Size~: 65.55 KBNov 17 08:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New Reviww of #Lubuntu 11.10 http://ur1.ca/5vxi7Nov 17 08:19
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/85394684 http://identi.ca/notice/85394712 http://identi.ca/notice/85394684Nov 17 08:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Lubuntu 11.10 review – a cure to Ubuntu’s Unity blues? | Linux User .::. Size~: 53.38 KBNov 17 08:19
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-11 08:10:45 UTC - Identi.ca: Indian Government To Popularise Use Of Open Source http://ur1.ca/5vxmz #india #freedomNov 17 08:19
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MinceRgeekingsNov 17 09:07
schestowitz"yeah it uses linux .. to create a locked-in system for ebooks slaved by DRM.. wow " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/831709Nov 17 09:36
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/831603#Nov 17 09:37
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schestowitz"Nov 17 09:38
schestowitzRecently I switched from Ubuntu/Kubuntu to Mint. Sorry to say that the last release of Ubuntu (11.10) has several drawbacks and my user experience decreased a lot.Nov 17 09:38
schestowitzBoth Gnome 3 and KDE4 (?) are way too complex and narrw the possibility for the user to choose his own way of working... why not using a Mac then?Nov 17 09:38
schestowitzI like Linux because I can choose to use it the way <> whant, and make it the way <> want it likeNov 17 09:38
schestowitz"Nov 17 09:38
schestowitz"I also switched away from Ubuntu, but I'm using Fedora now as I really love Gnome3. Makes me more productive and makes my work more efficient. Also looks great, so for me it's a win-win-win situation ;)"Nov 17 09:38
schestowitz"@Benjamin: Finally someone who says that Gnome3 makes him more productive and more efficient. The majority think the opposite about Gnome3. :)"Nov 17 09:38
schestowitz"Mint is doing a great job making Gnome 3 more useable. I liked the original Gnome 3 a bit more when I changed the shut down options though :P. I need to check to see if Fedora 16 and my ATI card work better together, as Fedora 15 was slow with my Gnome 3/ATI combo."Nov 17 09:38
schestowitzMy sister uses Mint and *loves* it.Nov 17 09:38
B`rendanconvert to free software distros :)Nov 17 09:39
MinceRi still use Fedora/XFCE/Openbox :>Nov 17 09:39
schestowitzIt's fairly freeNov 17 09:39
schestowitzmany peopls install the gpu drivers and trash anywayNov 17 09:40
schestowitzshe doesNov 17 09:40
B`rendanmint? its about as nonfree as it getsNov 17 09:40
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schestowitzAt the vert least for nice desktop effects with translucent dockNov 17 09:40
schestowitzB`rendan: I don't use itNov 17 09:40
schestowitzI let others use it, it's something they likeNov 17 09:40
B`rendanOh, you were quitingNov 17 09:40
schestowitzyeahNov 17 09:41
B`rendanquoting*Nov 17 09:41
schestowitzdiscussion in MintNov 17 09:41
schestowitzIdenticaNov 17 09:41
schestowitzide deaNov 17 09:41
schestowitzid deadNov 17 09:41
schestowitzno disucssions therwNov 17 09:41
schestowitzand they have many bugs, stillNov 17 09:41
schestowitzI am sometimes thinking of just dumping identica, even now it won't accept my posting of an anti-creationism vidNov 17 09:41
schestowitzSetting fire to creationist strawmen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQQrTZ1x2EM&feature=digest_tueNov 17 09:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Setting fire to creationist strawmen       - YouTube .::. Size~: 105.46 KBNov 17 09:42
B`rendanwtf? they censor that?Nov 17 09:42
schestowitzI like the par where he says, "Sheeh! I'm trying to read" :-)Nov 17 09:42
schestowitzB`rendan: noNov 17 09:42
schestowitzit's just broken.. the formNov 17 09:42
schestowitznot just for meNov 17 09:42
schestowitzI am the 2nd most prolific users there, so  I have interest in staying thereNov 17 09:42
B`rendanis it because of identica or statusnet?Nov 17 09:42
schestowitzOtherwise I would have left long ago.. it's too brokenNov 17 09:43
schestowitzB`rendan: it's like asking, is it Canonical or UbuntuNov 17 09:43
schestowitzAlmost the same thing (Evan)Nov 17 09:43
B`rendanmmk i dont really use itNov 17 09:44
schestowitzIt's so nice and sunny today. My plan is, in an hour from now when the sun is high I'll take the PDA and keyboard outside to the meadow and type half a dozen articles :-)Nov 17 09:44
schestowitzCan't believe I haven't written in 2 daysNov 17 09:44
B`rendanwhere do you post to?Nov 17 09:45
schestowitzTechrights mainlyNov 17 09:45
schestowitzI'm also back to Digg http://digg.com/schestowitzNov 17 09:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Schestowitz (schestowitz)         - Digg .::. Size~: 85.32 KBNov 17 09:46
schestowitzBut Techrights is PageRank 7Nov 17 09:46
schestowitzAnd it has far more readersNov 17 09:46
schestowitzI try to keep the quality high thereNov 17 09:46
MinceRwhy digg and not reddit?Nov 17 09:46
schestowitzI never liked redditNov 17 09:46
schestowitzMany Novell bulliesNov 17 09:46
schestowitzI used to be ranked 17th in DiggNov 17 09:47
MinceRdigg is full of crApple cultistsNov 17 09:47
schestowitzThen got offered a job at NetscapeNov 17 09:47
schestowitzMinceR: true, but still?Nov 17 09:47
MinceRdunnoNov 17 09:47
MinceRdigg is deadNov 17 09:47
schestowitzyeahNov 17 09:47
MinceRi think the change in how the site works was the last jabNov 17 09:47
schestowitzpretty much, for tech at least, didn't check the restNov 17 09:47
schestowitzno, it was before thatNov 17 09:47
schestowitzAround 2007Nov 17 09:47
DaemonFCMinceR: Jobs is dead. Hail Dorothy. Digg it.Nov 17 09:48
schestowitzThey expanded beyond techNov 17 09:48
DaemonFCB-)Nov 17 09:48
schestowitzso techies leftNov 17 09:48
MinceRpeople moved on to reddit in drovesNov 17 09:48
schestowitzpossibly.Nov 17 09:48
schestowitzBTWNov 17 09:48
schestowitzDid Christopher Hitchens die?Nov 17 09:48
schestowitzI saw some videos todayNov 17 09:48
schestowitzWhere they say "in pictures"Nov 17 09:48
MinceRhaven't heard of it happeningNov 17 09:48
schestowitzLike they have a troubuteNov 17 09:48
schestowitzDidn't see any reports of his deathNov 17 09:48
schestowitzHis voice softenedNov 17 09:49
schestowitzHe lives unhealthy and bragged abiut itNov 17 09:49
schestowitzlots of booze and smokingNov 17 09:49
schestowitzCan only blame himself, but the crationist will try to attribute this to punishment from SantagodNov 17 09:49
schestowitz*creationistsNov 17 09:49
schestowitzI reckon given what I've seen that even with expensive medical care he might not have much time left, maybe yearsNov 17 09:50
B`rendananyone know much about freenet? i've only just discovered itNov 17 09:50
schestowitzAnd I think he's just under 70... shame he didn't live more healthy... we need ptople like him to do the 'jab' thingNov 17 09:50
schestowitzI think Dawkins turs 70 right about now..Nov 17 09:51
schestowitzLet me checkNov 17 09:51
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_DawkinsNov 17 09:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Richard Dawkins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 361.99 KBNov 17 09:51
schestowitzOh, he's already 70 and 8 monthsNov 17 09:51
DaemonFCSatan blessed him with a long lifeNov 17 09:51
schestowitzWith Wales at the top of the pageNov 17 09:51
DaemonFCin which to mislead the faithfulNov 17 09:52
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 09:52
schestowitz[Wales photo] Richard DawkinsNov 17 09:52
schestowitz"gimme money. Please!"Nov 17 09:52
schestowitzLOLNov 17 09:53
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ImpotenceNov 17 09:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Erectile dysfunction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 178.78 KBNov 17 09:53
schestowitzSee the phtoo at the topNov 17 09:53
MinceRhttp://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/112010/jimmy_wales_is_not_kidding_around.jpgNov 17 09:53
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting image/jpeg typeNov 17 09:53
schestowitzNot WalesNov 17 09:53
schestowitzSomeone elseNov 17 09:53
schestowitzWith tge suitable text beneathNov 17 09:53
schestowitzWales is like "Where's Waldo?"Nov 17 09:53
DaemonFCCatholicism is like an orgy of sorrowNov 17 09:53
DaemonFCyou have to be sorry for everything you doNov 17 09:54
DaemonFCit's really depressing Nov 17 09:54
schestowitzI remember the controversy over Wales using Wikipedia Foundation funds to take his g/f to fancy dinnersNov 17 09:54
DaemonFC"Hey, aren't you screwing 10 year olds?"Nov 17 09:54
schestowitzLOLNov 17 09:54
schestowitzRrefresh the pageNov 17 09:55
DaemonFC"Why do I have to ask you to forgive me for masturbating?"Nov 17 09:55
schestowitzand eventually you get Wales with the text "Erectile dysfunction" underneathNov 17 09:55
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 09:55
schestowitztake screen shotNov 17 09:55
schestowitzadd [trollface.png]Nov 17 09:55
MinceRhttp://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_PageNov 17 09:55
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schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trollface.svgNov 17 09:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: File:Trollface.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 28.22 KBNov 17 09:56
DaemonFCPlease read...Nov 17 09:56
DaemonFCOn second thought, don't bother.Nov 17 09:56
DaemonFCJust click the little 'x' like everyone else.Nov 17 09:56
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 09:56
DaemonFCMeh.Nov 17 09:56
DaemonFC:DNov 17 09:56
schestowitz"Nov 17 09:56
schestowitzPlease read...Nov 17 09:56
schestowitzOn second thought, don't bother.Nov 17 09:56
schestowitz"Nov 17 09:56
schestowitzHeheNov 17 09:56
schestowitzhttp://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Thermopylae.jpgNov 17 09:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: File:Thermopylae.jpg - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 34.98 KBNov 17 09:57
DaemonFCMost schoolchildren are taught that if you're the 99%, you winNov 17 09:58
DaemonFCthen they grow up to find they should try to be in the 1%Nov 17 09:59
DaemonFCbecause they are the ones that winNov 17 09:59
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 09:59
DaemonFCby schoolchildren, I mean the public school childrenNov 17 09:59
MinceRlolNov 17 09:59
DaemonFCwhile the 1% kids are in private schools being taught they're better than everyone elseNov 17 09:59
MinceR"fight in the shade -- on two"Nov 17 09:59
DaemonFCsave that on the back burner, use it against the 99% in 20 years kidsNov 17 10:00
DaemonFCyou are superior because your parents are richNov 17 10:00
DaemonFCand the 1% in the private schools are 99% white with the occasional black kid to make their government mandated quotaNov 17 10:01
schestowitz"must try it sometime, it did not find favour in this review though http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/linux-mint-12-rc-the-greatest-hits/ #ubuntu #linuxmint  " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/831646Nov 17 10:01
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schestowitzDaemonFC: it's part of the indoctrinationNov 17 10:01
schestowitzReinforces their belief they should become managersNov 17 10:01
schestowitzAnd mistreat people whom they exploitNov 17 10:01
schestowitzhttp://news.softpedia.com/news/i386-non-PAE-Kernel-To-Be-Removed-from-Ubuntu-12-04-234434.shtmlNov 17 10:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Will Not Support Old CPUs - Softpedia .::. Size~: 46.79 KBNov 17 10:02
DaemonFCthat's a stupid shock titleNov 17 10:03
DaemonFCit will really affect very few people to any degreeNov 17 10:03
MinceRit's time to upgrade the distro anywayNov 17 10:03
schestowitzDaemonFC: indeedNov 17 10:04
DaemonFCFedora has installed the x86-64 kernel in the 32-bit version for a while anywayNov 17 10:04
DaemonFCif it detects you have an x86-64 CPUNov 17 10:04
DaemonFCthat's also how Apple and SCOracle Solaris handle x86-64Nov 17 10:04
schestowitzwhat is a 64-bi CPU anyway? It's improper terms, IMHO.Nov 17 10:04
DaemonFCpretty much all of userland is 32-bit on OS X Nov 17 10:04
schestowitzThe pipeline can be used for 32 bit streamsNov 17 10:04
DaemonFCat least the last time I lookedNov 17 10:05
schestowitzit's more like 64-bit-ready boardNov 17 10:05
schestowitzwith wider MMUs and stuffNov 17 10:05
DaemonFCschestowitz: x86-64 is a strict superset of x86-32Nov 17 10:05
DaemonFCit is 100% compatibleNov 17 10:05
schestowitzI designed some 16-bit procesors when I was 19..Nov 17 10:05
schestowitzlater I wrote a debugger for  thoseNov 17 10:06
B`rendanreally?Nov 17 10:06
schestowitzNothing too advancedNov 17 10:06
B`rendanhow does one go about designing a cpuNov 17 10:06
schestowitzJust based mathsNov 17 10:06
schestowitz*basicNov 17 10:06
schestowitzwith few registersNov 17 10:06
schestowitzfrom gate levelNov 17 10:06
schestowitzon a programmable xilinx boardNov 17 10:06
DaemonFCI learned 8-bit assembler for the Intel 8080Nov 17 10:06
schestowitzwhat programs did you write for it?Nov 17 10:07
schestowitzThe most I did was bubble sort (in assembly/ARM)Nov 17 10:07
B`rendanvery niceNov 17 10:07
schestowitzIIRC it had just 4 or 8 registerNov 17 10:07
schestowitzregistersNov 17 10:07
DaemonFCthere were some test exercises that came with the micro professor board's manualNov 17 10:08
DaemonFCI got that farNov 17 10:08
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 10:08
schestowitzI remember that computer hardware courses I ffinished in just two weeks rather than a whole semester.. cause I found it addictiveNov 17 10:08
DaemonFCI learned it well enough to hate it and never actually use it for anythingNov 17 10:08
DaemonFCand back to BASICNov 17 10:08
DaemonFC:PNov 17 10:09
schestowitzlater I got a job in Furber's group this wayNov 17 10:09
schestowitzDaemonFC: Bill's BASIC?Nov 17 10:09
schestowitz:-)Nov 17 10:09
schestowitzRemember the revisoonismNov 17 10:09
schestowitzLike Microsoft inventing or popularising BASICNov 17 10:09
schestowitzI think it was Kemenny and another academicNov 17 10:09
schestowitzMicrosoft: we are good..... at rewriting historyNov 17 10:09
schestowitzApple is good at lying tooNov 17 10:10
DaemonFCschestowitz: BASIC as in Apple BASIC, Commodore's BASICNov 17 10:10
schestowitzLet's see Jobs' background in computersNov 17 10:10
DaemonFCand Borland's Turbo BASICNov 17 10:10
DaemonFCwhich was my favoriteNov 17 10:10
schestowitzOn second thought, no...Nov 17 10:10
schestowitzIt'll be SEOd to death by warped biosNov 17 10:10
B`rendani wish i knew about all these thingsNov 17 10:10
DaemonFCFreeBASIC supports Turbo BASIC featuresNov 17 10:11
schestowitzDaemonFC: did you use turbo pascal?Nov 17 10:11
schestowitzI think it was my first dev envNov 17 10:11
schestowitzUnless you count DOS scripting (not MSDOS)Nov 17 10:11
DaemonFCTurbo Pascal was what the Gold Box Engine was written inNov 17 10:11
DaemonFCno, I never used it, but I've seen what could be done with itNov 17 10:11
DaemonFCwhich was pretty impressive at the timeNov 17 10:12
schestowitzTurbo Pascal could render pizels tooNov 17 10:12
schestowitzBut I never got this far. I have a friend who did, and he's still doing well as a programmer (freelance)Nov 17 10:12
schestowitzDaemonFC: a lo was written in C thoughNov 17 10:12
DaemonFCBorland made good stuff, eventually they were replaced with Microsoft compilers which still don't support modern C and C++ language featuresNov 17 10:12
schestowitzit was a "hard" language for schoolNov 17 10:13
DaemonFCas a ploy to get people to use WIndows only languagesNov 17 10:13
DaemonFClike C#Nov 17 10:13
schestowitzmehNov 17 10:13
schestowitzis c# gaining any traction at all?Nov 17 10:13
schestowitzI don't hear much about itNov 17 10:13
schestowitzI remember job ads that mentioned Silver Lie along with itNov 17 10:13
schestowitzHow stupid were they..Nov 17 10:13
DaemonFChere, lets repeat all of our "Lets make programs that only run on Windows XP" strategyNov 17 10:14
schestowitzseems like the Ps (python/perl/php) are in a healthy state thanks for CMSs and stuch..Nov 17 10:14
DaemonFCthis time for VistawareNov 17 10:14
schestowitz*CuhNov 17 10:14
schestowitzI think mobile development grows the mostNov 17 10:14
DaemonFCA lot of businesses can't move off of XP even if they wanted toNov 17 10:14
schestowitzI noticed, some companies don't even bother with desktop appsNov 17 10:14
schestowitzLike, as front ends to API-enabled sitesNov 17 10:15
DaemonFCbecause over the years, they've made tons of programs that need it nd would need rewrittenNov 17 10:15
schestowitzThey have no clear business model on desktopNov 17 10:15
schestowitzShrink wrap? No. Cross-platform? Hard.Nov 17 10:15
DaemonFCwhich was what Microsoft was trying for at the timeNov 17 10:15
schestowitzSo they go for application stores now.Nov 17 10:15
DaemonFCI guess they were short sighted enough to not understand it would hurt their own future operating systemsNov 17 10:15
schestowitzTablets too...Nov 17 10:15
DaemonFCMicrosoft still sells Windows XP licenses under the tableNov 17 10:16
schestowitz[10:14] <DaemonFC> A lot of businesses can't move off of XP even if they wanted toNov 17 10:16
DaemonFCat Windows 7 pricesNov 17 10:16
schestowitzThey could virtaulise XP, but what's the point?Nov 17 10:16
DaemonFCand calls them Windows 7 salesNov 17 10:16
schestowitzwindows 7 was sold?!Nov 17 10:16
schestowitzTo whom?Nov 17 10:16
schestowitzI thought it was Microsoft's onlyNov 17 10:16
schestowitzDid they sell the code?Nov 17 10:16
DaemonFCthey donated itNov 17 10:16
schestowitzor made a copy and licensed it?Nov 17 10:16
DaemonFCto select partners and the Chinese governmentNov 17 10:16
DaemonFCSHARED ZOMG SOURCE!Nov 17 10:17
schestowitzShred sourceNov 17 10:17
schestowitzshards of crappy codeNov 17 10:17
B`rendanthey put xp on the 1 laptop per child thing didnt they?Nov 17 10:17
DaemonFCas long as you don't change it, study it for purposes of competing with it, or compile and try to use it, you can LOOK at something which CLAIMS to be Windows source codeNov 17 10:17
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 10:17
schestowitzB`rendan: They faildNov 17 10:17
DaemonFC"Shared Source"Nov 17 10:17
schestowitzOLPC urns FedoraNov 17 10:18
schestowitzall of themNov 17 10:18
B`rendaninteresting choice...Nov 17 10:18
schestowitzI think about a million... the OLPC site recently said soNov 17 10:18
DaemonFCI liked how Wikipedia articles on proprietary Microsoft software have all been changed to say "Shared Source"Nov 17 10:18
schestowitzthjey were?!Nov 17 10:18
B`rendanwtf?Nov 17 10:18
schestowitzExamples?Nov 17 10:19
DaemonFChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7Nov 17 10:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Windows 7 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 253.23 KBNov 17 10:20
B`rendancan we fix it?>Nov 17 10:20
DaemonFCSource model Closed source / Shared sourceNov 17 10:20
schestowitzthey had already been br\ished up by PR and partnersNov 17 10:20
schestowitzLOLNov 17 10:20
schestowitzShared?Nov 17 10:20
DaemonFCMicrosoft isn't evil!Nov 17 10:20
schestowitzWIth the CHinese governmentNov 17 10:20
DaemonFCThey share!Nov 17 10:20
schestowitzFor inspection onlyNov 17 10:20
schestowitzNot with usersNov 17 10:20
schestowitzBut with their arch-enemiesNov 17 10:20
DaemonFChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_sourceNov 17 10:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Shared source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 63.41 KBNov 17 10:20
DaemonFCMost of its source code offerings are available for download after eligibility criteria are met.Nov 17 10:20
DaemonFCThe licenses associated with the offerings range from being closed-source,[2][3] allowing only viewing of the code for reference, to allowing it to be modified and redistributed for both commercial and non-commercial purposes.Nov 17 10:20
DaemonFCwowNov 17 10:20
DaemonFCthat's like, open and stuffNov 17 10:20
schestowitzDaemonFC: I'm shared sourceNov 17 10:20
schestowitzYou can open me when I hit the bucketNov 17 10:20
*DaemonFC in Beavis voice hehehee open, open, fire fire, that was cool, huh huh huhNov 17 10:20
DaemonFClet's like, go score or somethingNov 17 10:21
DaemonFCschestowitz: cut it out buttmonkey!Nov 17 10:21
DaemonFC:PNov 17 10:21
B`rendanIt sucks that GNU+Linux is called linux through wikipedia, and it looks like a decent job to fix, and would probably be destroyed again by 'open source' peopleNov 17 10:21
schestowitzopen source people are OKNov 17 10:21
schestowitzBut not all are equalNov 17 10:21
schestowitzfor instance Mac AsayNov 17 10:21
DaemonFCyou know, why would you ever want to anonymously download free and open source software anonymously to use however you wantNov 17 10:21
schestowitzHe's not FOSSNov 17 10:21
schestowitzhe makes proprietary webwareNov 17 10:22
DaemonFCwhen you can jump through hoops and see some Microsoft code you can't useNov 17 10:22
MinceRopen soresNov 17 10:22
schestowitzOpen Soros :-)Nov 17 10:22
schestowitzMoney firstNov 17 10:22
B`rendanthis whole warping of the history of the os is a bit worrying thoughNov 17 10:22
MinceRmonkey first?Nov 17 10:22
schestowitzthat's what the doctor told ryan's momNov 17 10:22
schestowitz:-pNov 17 10:22
schestowitzhypa hypaNov 17 10:24
schestowitz!gfoogle hypa hypaNov 17 10:24
DaemonFCI wonder why the Chinese and Russians are so good at making Windows malwareNov 17 10:24
DaemonFCmaybe it's because Microsoft gave the source code for Windows to corrupt government officials who sold it to criminals?Nov 17 10:24
schestowitzwhat about the US?Nov 17 10:24
schestowitzanf its alliesNov 17 10:24
B`rendanwindows is already malware, nobody needs to try give it any more :pNov 17 10:24
schestowitz!google stuxnet created by governmentNov 17 10:24
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Stuxnet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StuxnetNov 17 10:24
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Stuxnet Raises 'Blowback' Risk In Cyberwar : NPR | http://www.npr.org/2011/11/02/141908180/stuxnet-raises-blowback-risk-in-cyberwarNov 17 10:24
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Stuxnet Returns? Duqu: Researchers Warn of Similar Cyber Attack ... | http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/stuxnet-returns-duqu-researchers-warn-similar-cyber-attack/story%3Fid%3D14763854Nov 17 10:24
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Stuxnet Computer Worm Created by “Some” Government - ITAC Blog | http://itacidentityblog.com/stuxnet-computer-worm-created-by-%25E2%2580%259Csome%25E2%2580%259D-governmentNov 17 10:24
schestowitzB`rendan: to suppressive regimes, malware can be a featureNov 17 10:24
schestowitzprovided that don't run this malware themselvesNov 17 10:24
schestowitz!google turkey pardus militaryNov 17 10:24
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Microsoft Attacks GNU/Linux (Pardus) in Turkey, Dumps on Students ... | http://techrights.org/2009/04/26/microsoft-vs-pardus-turkey/Nov 17 10:24
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - A New Kid on the Block:The Pardus GNU/Linux Distro | http://www.slideshare.net/sksowe/a-new-kid-on-the-blockthe-pardus-gnulinux-distro-presentationNov 17 10:24
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Military equipment of Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_equipment_of_TurkeyNov 17 10:24
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Turkey — | http://www.osor.eu/news/news-by-country/turkeyNov 17 10:24
B`rendanis their something up with pardus?Nov 17 10:25
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/240005/windows_8s_metro_interface_could_slow_down_business_users.htmlNov 17 10:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Windows 8's Metro Interface Could Slow Down Business Users | PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 81.67 KBNov 17 10:25
schestowitzMetro LOLNov 17 10:25
schestowitzthat's what they called the XPS handlerNov 17 10:25
schestowitzwhich failedNov 17 10:25
B`rendanDaemonFC: why would microsoft give their code to corrupt gov officials?Nov 17 10:25
schestowitzthey reuse dead brandsNov 17 10:25
schestowitzB`rendan: because Gates says soNov 17 10:26
B`rendanbut whats the reasonNov 17 10:26
DaemonFCbecause they asked for itNov 17 10:26
schestowitz!google bill aates government ruels techrightsNov 17 10:26
TechrightsBot-trNo Google resultsNov 17 10:26
schestowitz!google bill gates government ruels techrightsNov 17 10:26
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schestowitzit's in wikileaksNov 17 10:26
schestowitzhe defended playing along with the ChineseNov 17 10:26
schestowitzif these are their rulesNov 17 10:26
schestowitzjust to be able to do business with themNov 17 10:26
schestowitzlike Russian and China ignoring intl' sanctions vs IranNov 17 10:27
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/CablegateNov 17 10:27
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schestowitzHere: http://techrights.org/2011/09/14/bill-gates-and-china/Nov 17 10:27
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schestowitzhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/78/Trollface.svgNov 17 10:28
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B`rendanwow so microsoft just let them see it to get heaps of security problems to crack computers of people they dont like?Nov 17 10:30
schestowitzhey, it's businessNov 17 10:31
schestowitzand CaterpillarNov 17 10:31
schestowitzWhere DaemonFC's dad used to workNov 17 10:31
schestowitzThey don't care about peopleNov 17 10:32
schestowitzor labour lawsNov 17 10:32
schestowitzThey'd hire people abroad to extort unions into shutdown -- a sort of blackmailNov 17 10:32
schestowitzThey also sell machines for Israel to domolish homes in territories it occupies, but that's another story RMS likes to stressNov 17 10:33
schestowitzCaterpillar make ugly shoes, too :-)Nov 17 10:33
B`rendando libreplanet get any threats or attacks for exposing this stuff?Nov 17 10:42
B`rendani mean techrights*Nov 17 10:43
DaemonFCI'd prefer the bulldozers be made hereNov 17 10:44
DaemonFCand not bought from Russia or CHinaNov 17 10:44
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 10:44
DaemonFCThe Israelis would resort to shelling or torching those peoples homes if they couldn't get bulldozers at allNov 17 10:45
DaemonFCwhy is this Caterpillar's fault for selling them construction machinery?Nov 17 10:45
DaemonFCif we sell them hammers and they use hammers to kill so-called "Palestinians", then we're the evil bastards who sold them hammersNov 17 10:46
DaemonFCI get it nowNov 17 10:46
DaemonFCRMS is the most anti-US prick I've ever seenNov 17 10:46
DaemonFChe'll find any reason to bitchNov 17 10:46
DaemonFCfuck himNov 17 10:46
B`rendan?Nov 17 10:46
DaemonFChe's like Michael Moore without the bullhorn Nov 17 10:47
DaemonFCa big disgusting blob of fat with a far left wing political agendaNov 17 10:47
schestowitzLOLNov 17 10:48
schestowitzbblNov 17 10:48
schestowitzsunny outsideNov 17 10:49
B`rendanwhere does he say this stuff?Nov 17 10:52
DaemonFChis political blogNov 17 11:13
B`rendanso you actually dont like him or are joking?Nov 17 11:15
DaemonFCI agree with some of what he saysNov 17 11:25
DaemonFCbut when he's wrong, he's incredibly wrongNov 17 11:25
B`rendanexamples?Nov 17 11:26
DaemonFCwell, when he strays from patent, trademark, and copyright issues, and into more generic political issues, he tends to be on the lunatic fringeNov 17 11:27
DaemonFCbut in the patent, trademark, and copyright law issues, he's usually rightNov 17 11:27
B`rendani spend so much time trying to learn about these topics but i just come up to more and more disagreements and have no idea what to believeNov 17 11:27
DaemonFChe's one of those people that says we should support Palestinian suicide bombers and make any Mexican that comes to the US a citizen for no reason at allNov 17 11:28
MinceRDaemonFC thinks the usian government is rightNov 17 11:28
B`rendanwhere does he say that?Nov 17 11:29
MinceRwhere he uses "anti-US" like it's a bad thingNov 17 11:29
B`rendanim fairly confused at the momentNov 17 11:29
DaemonFCno, I mean he's gratuitously anti-AmericanNov 17 11:29
B`rendanwhere is he at the moment?Nov 17 11:30
DaemonFCeven in situations where his viewpoints are stupid and absurd and inflammatory for their own sakeNov 17 11:30
MinceRhard to tell, he's always on the go afaikNov 17 11:30
B`rendani remember reading he would never fly to us because of finger print reading, so i dont know how he can leave and get backNov 17 11:30
MinceRby boat?Nov 17 11:31
B`rendanmmkNov 17 11:31
MinceRor taking train or bus out of usa and then fly from there?Nov 17 11:31
B`rendando you agree with MinceR ?Nov 17 11:31
B`rendani mean DaemonFC Nov 17 11:31
MinceRthough i don't know how far they've corrupted mexico and canada in that wayNov 17 11:31
DaemonFCregardign the cities finding excuses to end the occupy protests, the one that amused me above all else were the ones that said they needed to "get the trash out of the park"Nov 17 11:32
B`rendanto be honest im not even sure what to think about fingerprint scanning, i just dont like it anywayNov 17 11:32
DaemonFCthey're not talking about McDonalds wrappers and used condomsNov 17 11:32
DaemonFC;)Nov 17 11:32
MinceRand DaemonFC cheers them onNov 17 11:32
DaemonFC"I think of all the excuses that cities have used to end freedom to peaceably assemble and to free speech, 'getting the trash out of the park' was my favorite. Cities like New York have never cared about McDonalds wrappers, used syringes, and condoms in their parks before, but the 'trash' they speak of are working class Americans." -meNov 17 11:35
DaemonFCI mentioned that on my Facebook wallNov 17 11:35
B`rendanbig chant video on the occupywallstreet site lolNov 17 11:39
prurigroDaemonFC: to be fair, and keeping in mind that I agree with you, New York City has been quite free of the mess it used to be known for in the last 10 years or soNov 17 11:44
DaemonFCI agree with RMS on the issues of TARP and Occupy Wall StreetNov 17 11:46
prurigroand on that note, g'morning to anyone who happens to be around :)Nov 17 11:46
prurigroRMS?Nov 17 11:46
DaemonFCalso, that female genital mutilation done by Muslims is disgusting and barbaricNov 17 11:46
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 11:46
DaemonFCRichard StallmanNov 17 11:46
DaemonFCI decided to glance over his political blog againNov 17 11:46
DaemonFCHe unfortunately does not agree with freedom of speech when it comes to video gamesNov 17 11:47
DaemonFChe's more like that asshole, Jack Thompson thereNov 17 11:47
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 11:47
prurigroohh, word haha- I must say, he's pretty radical considering I somehow still agree with the majority of his premisesNov 17 11:47
prurigroword though, reallyNov 17 11:47
prurigrothat's unfortunateNov 17 11:48
DaemonFChe's right abotu the Keystone XL pipeline and Canada's filthy oilNov 17 11:48
DaemonFC*aboutNov 17 11:48
prurigroso often people seem to have completely reasonable views among ridiculous ones, and then it turns out that it only includes their area of interestNov 17 11:48
prurigroand yea, the Canada oil situation has been a messy one, and I say that as a Canadian oneNov 17 11:49
prurigroapparently a lot of the execs from BP who were 'let go of' or 'quit' BP after the Gulf of Mexico stuff ended up working for the companies in CalgaryNov 17 11:50
DaemonFCI agree with him regarding health insurance companiesNov 17 11:50
DaemonFChard not to if you've ever dealt with oneNov 17 11:50
prurigroAmerica should mirror Canada's health strategy, except fix the few issues we're still doing wrongNov 17 11:50
DaemonFC"Drug terror in Mexico is fueled by the US' War on Drugs."Nov 17 11:51
prurigroafter that health insurance companies can do whatever they want for non essential health related funNov 17 11:51
DaemonFCIf Mexico was serious about putting an end to those cartels, they would allow the US to use Reaper drones against their bases of operationNov 17 11:51
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 11:51
prurigroprison population problems in the US are fueled by the war on drugs tooNov 17 11:51
prurigroreaper drones?Nov 17 11:52
prurigrodid you see anonymous' recent dealings with the cartels?Nov 17 11:52
DaemonFCan armed UAVNov 17 11:52
DaemonFCoperational ceiling of 50,000 feetNov 17 11:52
DaemonFCmax air speed approximately 400 MPHNov 17 11:52
DaemonFCarmed with hellfire or hydra 70 rocket podsNov 17 11:52
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 11:52
prurigrocheck out this video of the mexican border http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK8blci7JrQ&list=WLD99BF74B8B982F10&index=144&feature=plpp_videoNov 17 11:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mexico Border War - Live Battle!       - YouTube .::. Size~: 99.96 KBNov 17 11:52
prurigrohard enough to contain it on the home front, let alone wipe out all the dirty politicians involved in maintaining the cartelsNov 17 11:53
DaemonFCthere's dirty politicians on the US side as wellNov 17 11:54
prurigrofor sureNov 17 11:54
DaemonFCand border patrol agents that are paid by the cartels to ignore themNov 17 11:54
prurigroespecially ones that run their own operation, completely separate of anything mexicoNov 17 11:54
B`rendanany links to some of his radical posts?Nov 17 11:54
DaemonFCI agree with the US Air Force decision to start phasing out piloted aircraftNov 17 11:54
prurigroradical posts?Nov 17 11:55
DaemonFCdrones have limits that far exceed a human pilotNov 17 11:55
prurigrototally, why have someone die when you don't have toNov 17 11:55
DaemonFCand the reduced weight means more room for weaponsNov 17 11:55
prurigro+ those reasonsNov 17 11:55
DaemonFCand if it gets shot down, you don't lose a pilotNov 17 11:55
B`rendanas in radical blog posts, or what everNov 17 11:55
DaemonFChttp://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/03/usa-medicare-lawsuit-idUSN1E7A21ST20111103Nov 17 11:56
prurigroB`rendan: which are you referring to?Nov 17 11:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Medicare beneficiaries sue US over hospital stays | Reuters .::. Size~: 97.63 KBNov 17 11:56
DaemonFCthis is utterly disgustingNov 17 11:56
B`rendani want to learn about these things you disagree with stallman aboutNov 17 11:56
B`rendananything reallyNov 17 11:56
DaemonFCMedicare sues you if they think you've been in the hospital for too many days that year?Nov 17 11:56
DaemonFCyet claims they cover X number of days per yearNov 17 11:56
prurigroare you talking about when I mentioned how radical he is?Nov 17 11:56
B`rendanyou and DaemonFC showed disagreementNov 17 11:57
prurigroDaemonFC: that's like a corporation offering you sick days-- if they wanted you to take them they'd just give you more holidayNov 17 11:57
prurigroB`rendan: did we? Oh, you're talking about Daemon's disagreement with his videogame stuffNov 17 11:57
prurigro?Nov 17 11:58
B`rendani want to know why because in software he seems to be right as far as i can tellNov 17 11:58
DaemonFC"Why NPR is wrong (and dangerously stupid) to fire journalists who hold up signs in public."Nov 17 11:58
B`rendanand the other stuffNov 17 11:58
DaemonFCNPR has been corrupt since Walmart effectively bought them in 2005Nov 17 11:58
*B`rendan has quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6)Nov 17 11:58
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DaemonFCprurigro: Medicare claims they let you stay in the hospital X number of days per yearNov 17 11:58
DaemonFCYou have no say in how long you stay in the hospital unless you leave against medical advice, in which case Medicare covers 0 days of your stayNov 17 11:59
prurigroDaemonFC: it probably says further down that its under the condition that medical opinion requires such stay or somethingNov 17 11:59
DaemonFCThen they turn around and sue YOU because the doctor said how many days you neededNov 17 11:59
Brendan_TDaemonFC | well, when he strays from patent, trademark, and copyright issues, and into more generic political issues, he tends to be on the lunatic fringeNov 17 12:00
prurigroDaemonFC: oh, I see the angle you're talking about, yea, that's pretty badNov 17 12:00
Brendan_Tthat kinda stuffNov 17 12:00
DaemonFCso you either possibly get sued or Medicare doesn't pay anything if you check yourself outNov 17 12:00
DaemonFChow is it fair to you?Nov 17 12:00
prurigroBrendan_T: the one topic DaemonFC specifically mentioned was videogames, the rest of the stuff you said you agreed with right DaemonFC?Nov 17 12:00
DaemonFCif they want patients to limit their stay in the hospital, they should drop the part where they pay nothing if you leave against medical adviceNov 17 12:01
Brendan_Ti havent said i agreed with anything, im just trying to learn moreNov 17 12:01
DaemonFCor just accept that there are some hospitals who try to milk Medicare and sue THEMNov 17 12:01
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 12:01
prurigroDaemonFC: I think it sounds like why I dislike the private sector handling anything I don't have a choice in whether I'm going to get or notNov 17 12:01
prurigroBrendan_T: err yea, sorry, I'd meant to split that up, the first half for you and the second half for DaemonFC, but I can see how it looked confusingNov 17 12:01
DaemonFCMedicare is starting to become less like a single payer system that approves reasonable careNov 17 12:02
DaemonFCand more like an HMOP that fights the patient and takes their pound of flesh from the patient, and not the crooked doctors and hospitalsNov 17 12:02
prurigrois Medicare the quote unquote "obamacare"?Nov 17 12:02
DaemonFCnoNov 17 12:02
prurigrowordNov 17 12:02
DaemonFCMedicare has been around since the 1960sNov 17 12:02
Brendan_Tim not that great at following irc text when im swapping and channels and doing various thingsNov 17 12:02
DaemonFCit is for old people and the disabledNov 17 12:02
MinceRabominicareNov 17 12:02
prurigroBrendan_T: lets blame me on this particular instance, but touche :)Nov 17 12:03
Brendan_Tits important for me to think about this because currently i agree with him on software and such and i suppose 'look up to him' or what everNov 17 12:03
DaemonFCObamanation Care is totally corruptNov 17 12:03
prurigroDaemonFC: did you catch Brendan_T's question about Stallman's ridiculous stuff?Nov 17 12:03
DaemonFCit essentially herds people up like cattle and forces them to pay corrupt for-profit insurance companies unreasonable ratesNov 17 12:03
DaemonFCand if you get subsidies, it goes from the tax pool to the hands of private insurersNov 17 12:04
prurigroDaemonFC: I think calling it Obamanation Care is unfair considering he's not the one who fucked i tupNov 17 12:04
DaemonFCthiswill be rife with fraud and wasteNov 17 12:04
DaemonFCand there's no argument that will convince me otherwiseNov 17 12:04
prurigroDaemonFC: you're absolutely correct, but only because the original, much more reasonable plan was twisted into this mess that it is now by the oppositionNov 17 12:04
prurigroso no need to worry about an argument again :)Nov 17 12:05
DaemonFCright, the health insurance companies lobbied FOR this thing we have nowNov 17 12:05
DaemonFCthey WANT itNov 17 12:05
DaemonFCwhich makes it bad for me and theeNov 17 12:05
DaemonFC;)Nov 17 12:05
DaemonFCthe Republicans threatening to repeal it is a hollow election promise they will not fulfill even if they do gain a majorityNov 17 12:06
DaemonFCbecause their sponsors want itNov 17 12:06
DaemonFCand so do they Nov 17 12:06
prurigroDaemonFC: it was going to be a political institution, like in Canada- as soon as you hand over the keys to corporations, its the same as before but probably worse, since like you say, they lobbied for what got passedNov 17 12:06
prurigrothe Republicans essentially saw something they didn't want, met up with all the people that'd be effected and drafted up something they did wantNov 17 12:07
prurigroproposed it as meeting in the middleNov 17 12:07
prurigroand the rest is historyNov 17 12:07
DaemonFCno insurance is preferable to this healthcare mandateNov 17 12:08
DaemonFCall it means is you get the same "friendly" letters of denial anyone with private insurance has had to begin withNov 17 12:08
prurigrohave you (or anyone) been following the whole censoring the internet thing that got big in the last few weeks?Nov 17 12:08
DaemonFCand the government holding a gun to you making you pay premiums for the troubleNov 17 12:08
DaemonFCI haveNov 17 12:09
prurigroDaemonFC: things that make or break a person should not be in corporate handsNov 17 12:09
prurigroand hmmNov 17 12:09
Brendan_Ta tiny bit, i get emails from avaaz telling me about a new end-of-the world thing happening every dayNov 17 12:09
DaemonFCDemand Progress and the EFF submitted over 500,000 signatures on their petitionsNov 17 12:09
DaemonFCmine includedNov 17 12:09
prurigroI was told its not actually as bad as it seemsNov 17 12:09
prurigroapparently its not a great firewall in any formNov 17 12:09
Brendan_Tis this the DNS censoring?Nov 17 12:10
prurigroits actually handled purely at the DNS levelNov 17 12:10
DaemonFCthe people saying it's not so bad, bend over and take it are the MAFIAANov 17 12:10
DaemonFCand their pet congress crittersNov 17 12:10
prurigroits badNov 17 12:10
prurigroand it shouldn't happenNov 17 12:10
prurigrobut its not going to ruin the internetNov 17 12:10
DaemonFCI'll switch to foreign DNS servers if it happensNov 17 12:10
prurigroyou'll just need to connect to a Canadian DNS serverNov 17 12:10
prurigroyeaNov 17 12:10
prurigroso you guys are on the right pageNov 17 12:10
DaemonFCand foreign search engines with English translations availableNov 17 12:10
Brendan_Tim in australia :PNov 17 12:10
prurigroa lot of the internet is blowing it out of proportion and implying an entire firewalls's gonna be addedNov 17 12:11
prurigroBrendan_T: haha yea, lucky us :)Nov 17 12:11
DaemonFCno, it's not blowing it out of proportion to say you have a Plan B if it happensNov 17 12:11
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 12:11
prurigrowell what I mean isNov 17 12:11
Brendan_Tsomeone tried to put in a firewall here to 'protect children from porn' but luckily it didnt workNov 17 12:11
prurigrothat I've read in quite a few locations suggesting that a firewall infrastructure will need to be installed to take care of blocking the sitesNov 17 12:11
DaemonFChave to protect the children from pornNov 17 12:12
prurigrowhich it would if they were physically being blockedNov 17 12:12
Brendan_Tit would have just been a big was of cash and electricity, slowing everything down as it tries to filterNov 17 12:12
DaemonFCwhy, with all the violent network TVNov 17 12:12
prurigroand at that point, the government suddenly has a tool implemented that they can use to do nasty things withNov 17 12:12
DaemonFCtwo people fucking is obviously the worst thing they'll ever seeNov 17 12:12
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 12:12
Brendan_Tbecause the blacklist is not available to publicNov 17 12:12
Brendan_Tthats the catchNov 17 12:12
prurigroBrendan_T: lol wow, that reminds me of the 'vchip'Nov 17 12:12
DaemonFCI don't get why porn is so "bad"Nov 17 12:12
DaemonFCother than religious objectionsNov 17 12:13
Brendan_Tit turns children evil?Nov 17 12:13
DaemonFCor the practical concerns that usually go with sexNov 17 12:13
DaemonFCpregnancy, STDs, etc.Nov 17 12:13
DaemonFCthat's why there's the concept of informed consentNov 17 12:13
DaemonFCyou knowNov 17 12:13
DaemonFCyou do something that has consequencesNov 17 12:13
prurigroI wonder if MAFIAA Fire would start hosting those sitesNov 17 12:13
Brendan_Twell the leader of one of our parties is christian nutter that doesnt believe in climate change or what ever (so im told)Nov 17 12:13
DaemonFCyou do that thing and if the consequences happen, no bitchingNov 17 12:13
prurigroDaemonFC: because of religious people, that's whyNov 17 12:13
DaemonFCI'm all for thatNov 17 12:13
DaemonFCcigarettes with warning labels are totally reasonable to meNov 17 12:14
Brendan_Ti think someone here posted the link that got me to freenet, anyone know anything about it. is it good?Nov 17 12:14
prurigroin Denmark they educate on sex every year from the startNov 17 12:14
prurigroaccording to a Dane from RedditNov 17 12:14
DaemonFCporn is hardly the worst thing in the worldNov 17 12:14
Brendan_Tits the bestNov 17 12:14
DaemonFCit doesn't make the Top 10Nov 17 12:14
DaemonFCbut it gets a disproportionate backblast considering the minimal (if any) harm it causesNov 17 12:15
prurigrowho also said there's a fringe Catholic school board over there who doesn't, in contrast, and unlike the rest of the country's almost 0% teen pregnancy rate, the girls in the Catholic school board apparently have a bunch each yearNov 17 12:15
Brendan_Ti suppose it offends people, and is a good excuse to get a filter inNov 17 12:15
DaemonFCrightNov 17 12:15
DaemonFCteenagers from highly religious (Christian) families have a higher pregnancy rateNov 17 12:15
prurigrohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SlAMsaQbM4&list=FL1yJ6Xzlo0-jW2SLMtosa1g&index=3&feature=plpp_video this is how they handle drug PSAs (if I hadn't posted this in here earlier?)Nov 17 12:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: XTC MDMA Ecstacy Drugstest Nr 3 Spuiten en Slikken (English Subtitles)       - YouTube .::. Size~: 100.52 KBNov 17 12:16
DaemonFCbecause instead of parents telling them use condoms, they get the "your body is an evil thing" lectureNov 17 12:16
Brendan_Tso anti-government-stuff.com can be blockNov 17 12:16
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az8GPSOdR2gNov 17 12:17
prurigroDaemonFC: its like diets for fat people, it ends up hyperfocusing the want for sex due to the not being allowed to have itNov 17 12:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Oh, Catholics.       - YouTube .::. Size~: 97.13 KBNov 17 12:17
DaemonFCloved that oneNov 17 12:17
prurigroand it ends up oh so much worseNov 17 12:17
DaemonFCA"You're a naughty child and that's concentrated evil coming out the back of you"Nov 17 12:17
DaemonFC:)_Nov 17 12:17
prurigrohahaNov 17 12:18
prurigrofamily guy :)Nov 17 12:18
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDJNEX4X8k0Nov 17 12:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Family Guy FCC Song       - YouTube .::. Size~: 91.1 KBNov 17 12:18
prurigrohttp://mafiaafire.com/Nov 17 12:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: MAFIAAFire.com .::. Size~: 20.46 KBNov 17 12:18
prurigrothough considering where we are, I'd assume you've all been using it for months :)Nov 17 12:19
DaemonFCnoNov 17 12:19
DaemonFCI'm leery of plugins that rewrite your urlsNov 17 12:20
prurigrohahaNov 17 12:20
Brendan_Tuhhh, those tubes are in paralell, not a seriesNov 17 12:20
prurigrowell Mozilla was requested to take this one down by the RIAANov 17 12:20
DaemonFCespecially one that uses a url for updates that was originally taken to host a hardcore porn site that never wasNov 17 12:20
prurigroand Mozilla denied said action, so you  can read into that how you likeNov 17 12:20
prurigrobut I assume they've reviewed itNov 17 12:20
DaemonFCone I do use is https everywhereNov 17 12:21
DaemonFCbut I trust the EFF not to misuse thatNov 17 12:21
prurigroahh that one's goodNov 17 12:21
prurigroI can't remember if you'd said you search with duckduckgo?Nov 17 12:22
Brendan_Thttps everywhere is default in icecat, or maybe the packager did itNov 17 12:22
prurigroBrendan_T: interesting! this sounds like a pretty custom build indeed lolNov 17 12:22
prurigroit woulda had to have been the packager on that noteNov 17 12:23
prurigroif its from debian's reposNov 17 12:23
DaemonFCbesidesNov 17 12:23
prurigrosince I'm fairly sure there's no 'real' icecat aside from through debianNov 17 12:23
Brendan_TI'm using the parabola distro, which is a free arch essentiallyNov 17 12:23
DaemonFCit's not worth the risk to use mafiaafire when it only redirects a handful of sites I don't useNov 17 12:23
DaemonFChttp://mafiaafire.com/site_list.phpNov 17 12:23
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Brendan_Thttp://gnuzilla.gnu.org/Nov 17 12:23
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DaemonFCAmarok uses icecastNov 17 12:24
DaemonFCand so does vlcNov 17 12:24
prurigroBrendan_T: oh, word, I guess it did take off, and man I'm mixing information up, I'd thought you were debian for some reasonNov 17 12:24
DaemonFCAOHELL changed their Shoutcast termsNov 17 12:24
DaemonFCto ones you can't satisfy with free softwareNov 17 12:24
DaemonFCone of the new terms is any software which uses their Shoutcast API must install a spyware toolbar into the user's web browser on behalf of AOLNov 17 12:24
prurigroDaemonFC: I guess the idea is that it'll continue to grow, but fair enoughNov 17 12:25
prurigroyou could even just edit your own etc/hosts file to matchNov 17 12:25
prurigrothe sites on the listNov 17 12:25
DaemonFCI understand why they dropped itNov 17 12:25
DaemonFCit's not worth the terms AOL imposes even if it wouldn't make any software that did it nonfreeNov 17 12:25
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 12:25
prurigroDaemonFC: icecat, not cast?Nov 17 12:25
DaemonFCShoutcastNov 17 12:25
DaemonFCshould be droppedNov 17 12:26
DaemonFCby everyone and anything that uses itNov 17 12:26
prurigroDaemonFC: interesting, is icecast also pls?Nov 17 12:26
DaemonFCI believe it isNov 17 12:26
prurigrowordNov 17 12:26
prurigroI wonder what di.fm usesNov 17 12:26
DaemonFCof course the bonus is it not only works with MP3sNov 17 12:26
prurigroprolly iceNov 17 12:26
DaemonFCbut with anything using an Ogg containerNov 17 12:26
prurigroogg?Nov 17 12:26
prurigroniceNov 17 12:26
DaemonFCso it's a better Shoutcast than ShoutcastNov 17 12:26
prurigrowell most free software is better in that directionNov 17 12:27
DaemonFCSHoutcast is limited to MP3 and AACNov 17 12:27
prurigroif the playstation 3 included free codecs, it'd be so much better a media centreNov 17 12:27
DaemonFCIcecast can use those, but also anything in an Ogg containerNov 17 12:27
DaemonFCand there are no mandatory spyware terms in the Icecast directory terms of useNov 17 12:28
Brendan_Tpls?Nov 17 12:28
DaemonFCyou can stream FLAC with IcecastNov 17 12:28
DaemonFCif you put it in an Ogg containerNov 17 12:28
prurigro@Brendan_T: I can't seem to find the homepage of ParabolaNov 17 12:28
prurigrogot a link?Nov 17 12:28
Brendan_Thttps://parabolagnulinux.orgNov 17 12:28
DaemonFCthe FLAC container is minimal and does not handle streamingNov 17 12:28
prurigroDaemonFC: flac too even? and flac fits inside an ogg?Nov 17 12:28
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Brendan_Tit is https onlyNov 17 12:29
DaemonFCputting FLAC in an Ogg container makes each file about 100 KB largerNov 17 12:29
Brendan_Tat least for the main pageNov 17 12:29
DaemonFCbut you can stream themNov 17 12:29
Brendan_Tdo note that the main page has been neglected for quite a whileNov 17 12:29
prurigroBrendan_T: do you know how much they change from pure Arch?Nov 17 12:29
Brendan_Tand the mailing list link is wrongNov 17 12:29
DaemonFCit makes no sense to use Ogg FLAC if you only intend to use them locallyNov 17 12:29
DaemonFCthe FLAC container is much smallerNov 17 12:29
prurigroI wonder if I couldn't just switch my mirrorlist to theirs and updateNov 17 12:29
Brendan_Tyeah, i am one of the packagers, ive only started a short while ago and done a little bitNov 17 12:29
DaemonFCbut it won't streamNov 17 12:29
DaemonFCthat's the only differenceNov 17 12:30
prurigroDaemonFC: ahh, that makes sense-- though seems counter productive to streaming purposes :)Nov 17 12:30
Brendan_Tthey remove everything which is nonfree, and things which are mostly free but have nonfree plugins get patched and renamed to pkgname-libreNov 17 12:30
Brendan_Talso someone is compiling for mipsNov 17 12:30
DaemonFCOgg FLAC adds enough overhead that for every 20 FLAC files or so, you could have stored an entire extra FLAC with the FLAC containerNov 17 12:30
prurigroBrendan_T: do you have a mirror list? I'm curious to plug it in and see what pacman tries to changeNov 17 12:31
Brendan_Ti have packaged guile, and audacious-plugins-libreNov 17 12:31
DaemonFCso it eats space on your portable media player to use the Ogg container with themNov 17 12:31
prurigroerr, not list, but just a single mirror serverNov 17 12:31
prurigroBrendan_T: though I suppose anything they flat out removed wouldn't be effected eh?Nov 17 12:31
DaemonFCso my player holds about 500 FLAC files, estimated of courseNov 17 12:31
Brendan_Twhat do you mean?Nov 17 12:31
DaemonFCif I used ogg FLAC the capacity would go down by about 25 files or soNov 17 12:32
DaemonFCor roughly an album or twoNov 17 12:32
prurigroDaemonFC: its a shame flac never really caught on for more commercial stuff, in that respect, or ogg for that matterNov 17 12:32
Brendan_Thttps://wiki.parabolagnulinux.org/Migration_From_ArchNov 17 12:32
DaemonFCOgg Vorbis is a much more efficient codecNov 17 12:32
prurigroBrendan_T: well I run Arch right? so I could just take a mirror from Parabola and setup my mirrorlist to use thatNov 17 12:32
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DaemonFCit's "lossy", but good enough that I've never been able to tell teh difference at q6 or 7Nov 17 12:33
prurigroBrendan_T: oh haha, interesting, its been documentedNov 17 12:33
DaemonFCand at that level they are about 1/6th the size of a FLAC fileNov 17 12:33
Brendan_Tblacklisted packages: http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/docs/blacklist.txtNov 17 12:33
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DaemonFCor roughly 15% the size of CDDA PCMNov 17 12:33
DaemonFCit's a really really good lossy codecNov 17 12:33
Brendan_Tyeah, it pretty well just duplicates arch, then deletes as much nonfree stuff as can be foundNov 17 12:33
Brendan_Teven things that set firefox to default browser get patchedNov 17 12:34
DaemonFCI use q6 on everythingNov 17 12:34
prurigroBrendan_T: this is pretty much what I'd imagined, though it looks like its gonna write over my current mirrorlistNov 17 12:34
DaemonFCmostly because the encoder does fully lossless stereo coupling at that rateNov 17 12:34
DaemonFCand it makes it sound a little better with perfect stereo separation like you get with headphones :)Nov 17 12:34
DaemonFCanything over q6 tends to be overkillNov 17 12:35
Brendan_Tthere is `your-freedom' package :PNov 17 12:35
DaemonFCnot always, but oftenNov 17 12:35
prurigroDaemonFC: yea, its had a basically the support of the whole open community vs a little in house dev team at AOL or the likeNov 17 12:35
prurigroBrendan_T: hmm, this is quite a bit-- and I hadn't been thinking about good ol' flash hahaNov 17 12:36
DaemonFCVorbis beats MP3 or AAC hands down at any streaming bitrate you're likely to want to useNov 17 12:36
DaemonFCno contestNov 17 12:36
DaemonFCand blows WMA Professional out of the waterNov 17 12:36
prurigroBrendan_T: no emulation!?Nov 17 12:37
DaemonFCI've tried WMA Professional out of simple curiosityNov 17 12:37
DaemonFCit's similar in concept to High Efficiency AACNov 17 12:37
Brendan_Tthere is a youtube-dl program that downloads from youtube, vimeo and probably others, and it can get the direct link and pass it to mplayer or what ever so you dont have to suffer trying gnashNov 17 12:37
Brendan_Thuh?Nov 17 12:37
DaemonFConly it gives worse results than Nero AACNov 17 12:37
prurigroBrendan_T: "mupen64plus::emulators are only used with unfree games. reported by lukeshu" This is like saying mplayer shouldn't be added because its used for playing unfree moviesNov 17 12:37
prurigroDaemonFC: no kidding haha, and Nero AAC is free tooNov 17 12:38
Brendan_Tits probably something that only has unfree games and nothing elseNov 17 12:38
prurigrowell, as in beerNov 17 12:38
DaemonFCLeave it to Microsoft to make something that's worse than AAC and less open and doesn't actually play in anything but their own softwareNov 17 12:38
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 12:38
prurigroBrendan_T: I know I've seen some homebrew N64 games, lets fnid emNov 17 12:38
Brendan_Ti can talk to lukeshu about itNov 17 12:39
Brendan_Tim pretty sure we still have wineNov 17 12:39
Brendan_Tso you can run windows only free software like notepad++ :PNov 17 12:39
prurigroBrendan_T: http://www.dcemu.co.uk/vbulletin/threads/81344-Homebrew-N64-game-source-releasedNov 17 12:39
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prurigroDaemonFC: yea, the wma format's pretty much dead from what I've seenNov 17 12:40
prurigroDaemonFC: unless that's what's used in the asx container?Nov 17 12:41
Brendan_Tsadly there are programmers who add no commercial use clauses to their emulation software because of fear from being attacked by companies liek nintendo or sonyNov 17 12:41
prurigroBrendan_T: well zsnes is definitely GPL on that noteNov 17 12:41
prurigroand there is also completely original homebrew stuff for thatNov 17 12:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Daniel Ellsberg Joins UC-Berkeley's Occupy Cal Encampment (video) http://t.co/xt0wn4wn #owsNov 17 12:42
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Brendan_Ti am forwarding this to lukeshu, i dont think any of us intend to be batshit crazy about freedom, just strictNov 17 12:42
prurigroBrendan_T: scroll down to Legal http://www.zsnes.com/index.php?page=aboutNov 17 12:42
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DaemonFCasx is a container for Windows Media formatsNov 17 12:43
DaemonFCit's dangerous Nov 17 12:43
prurigroBrendan_T: yea, I think the key should be to only include free programs; what people do with them after should be the users' choiceNov 17 12:43
DaemonFCat least on WindowsNov 17 12:43
DaemonFCit was designed to also embed ActiveX controls and to allow files with DRM to open arbitrary websites in Internet Explorer as the "licensing page"Nov 17 12:43
DaemonFCon free software, you have support for the non-dangerous parts of the asx containerNov 17 12:44
DaemonFCDRM won't work, oh wellNov 17 12:44
DaemonFCActiveX won't work, goodNov 17 12:44
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 12:44
prurigroBrendan_T: presumably if you're going the route of Parabola, you're going know where your personal line is on the freedom issue, and you should be able to make up your own mind on issues beyond trusting that physical packages installed by Parabola are freeNov 17 12:45
DaemonFCasf is another extension for the same containerNov 17 12:45
DaemonFCit stands for Advanced Systems FormatNov 17 12:45
DaemonFCwhich confuses me since it was made for WindowsNov 17 12:45
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 12:45
prurigroDaemonFC: interesting haha, did I mention how much I love running linux? =DNov 17 12:46
DaemonFCI'm saying you can use most asf streams with free softwareNov 17 12:46
DaemonFCand not be in active danger from doing so like you would in WindowsNov 17 12:46
DaemonFC;)Nov 17 12:46
prurigroDaemonFC: lol, I hear the Microsoft Devs like to make self deprecating jokes about their company-- maybe this was supposed to be ironic?Nov 17 12:46
DaemonFCnot that I think Windows Media is preferable to anything elseNov 17 12:46
prurigroDaemonFC: if it was protected, I wouldn't want it anywayNov 17 12:47
DaemonFCI don't use the word "protected" to refer to anything with DRMNov 17 12:47
DaemonFCit doesn't protect anything, look at your favorite bittorrent site for the evidence of my claimNov 17 12:47
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 12:47
prurigroDaemonFC: Stallman again :)Nov 17 12:47
DaemonFCwhat it does do is attack the fair use rights of the people that pay for a licenseNov 17 12:47
prurigromy badNov 17 12:47
DaemonFCmake sure to use protectionNov 17 12:48
prurigrolets call files with DRM "corrupted" then, on linux they might as well beNov 17 12:48
DaemonFCyou don't know where that file has been!Nov 17 12:48
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 12:48
prurigrolinux is protection against corrupted files!Nov 17 12:49
DaemonFCI call them DRM poisonedNov 17 12:49
DaemonFCit gets the point across without many wordsNov 17 12:49
prurigrololNov 17 12:49
Brendan_Twhat do you mean by "make up your own mind on issues beyond trusting that physical packages installed by Parabola are free"Nov 17 12:49
DaemonFCThere should be a laqw that anything with DRM has to have a Mr. Yuck sticker on itNov 17 12:50
DaemonFChttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_d1RQZ79_zrc/TLhbn2jln0I/AAAAAAAAAk8/A0wq1NtbBcY/s1600/mr-yuck-713258.gifNov 17 12:50
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prurigroBrendan_T: you're installing a distro that promises to be the 'free' version of arch right? That says to me that all packages I install, unlike arch, are guaranteed to have a free licenseNov 17 12:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Corry Doctorow BBC to ban MythTV. http://ur1.ca/5w24m #drm #secrecy #censorshipNov 17 12:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #tzag Identizens.Nov 17 12:50
DaemonFChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._YukNov 17 12:51
Brendan_Tyeah, or at least thats what the packagers strive forNov 17 12:51
prurigroBrendan_T: Not that I'll be protected from packages that are most often used for non-free purposes, despite being free themselvesNov 17 12:51
Brendan_Tlukeshu's comment on the blacklist shows he thinks that it is -only- used to play nonfree gamesNov 17 12:52
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prurigroBrendan_T: If I'm downloading zsnes, which is free, and I'm running something on it, free or not, that didn't come from Parabola, it shoul dbe up to me to figure outNov 17 12:52
DaemonFCprurigro: I went through Walmart one nightNov 17 12:52
prurigroBrendan_T: as a rule of thumb I'd recommendNov 17 12:52
DaemonFCputting Mr. Yuk stickers on all the Windows Vista boxesNov 17 12:52
prurigroBrendan_T: even if that was the case though, what if I wanted to download it so I could build something free for it?Nov 17 12:52
Brendan_TI agree with you; I think I'll start a thread on the mailing list about itNov 17 12:53
prurigroBrendan_T: I think you should follow the philosophy that its only the packages themselves that you make calls for, in general-- it'd avoid stuff like this in the futureNov 17 12:53
prurigroBrendan_T: sounds good :) thx-- I might look into an 'upgrade' if the rest of the devs agree as wellNov 17 12:54
DaemonFCprurigro: They pass out free sheets of Mr. Yuk stickersNov 17 12:54
DaemonFCit's a great way to label WindowsNov 17 12:54
prurigroDaemonFC: lmao, I like it =DNov 17 12:54
prurigroDaemonFC: I think I'd go around stamping them on a lot of things if I had a stackNov 17 12:54
Brendan_TFeel free to join #parabola - you can idle and see other people chatting to get an idea of the kind of characters invlovedNov 17 12:55
Brendan_Tinvolved.. ^.^Nov 17 12:55
DaemonFCthey sell them in bulkNov 17 12:55
prurigroBrendan_T: sounds good :) I'm sure they're cool kids in generalNov 17 12:55
DaemonFC2,500 stickers for $30Nov 17 12:56
DaemonFCand the proceeeds go to childrens hospital charities and poison control centersNov 17 12:56
prurigroDaemonFC: not too bad haha, clearly designed for a particular purpose :)Nov 17 12:56
DaemonFCso it's not like you're doing a bad thing in buying themNov 17 12:56
Brendan_Tmy think penguin laptop has a big of white-out and a tux logo stuck over the windows logo on the super key Nov 17 12:56
prurigroBrendan_T: I'm in and inNov 17 12:56
prurigroDaemonFC: that's pretty cool, in generalNov 17 12:57
DaemonFCthough I'd imagine the influx of calls from people wondering why Mr. Yuk is on WIndows 7 boxes would neutralize thatNov 17 12:57
DaemonFC:PNov 17 12:57
DaemonFCbut if it happened enough, it might be newsworthyNov 17 12:57
prurigrohaha, hey- its not directly advertising a product right?Nov 17 12:57
DaemonFCit would help raise awareness of the Mr. Yuk campaignNov 17 12:57
DaemonFCand warn people from Windows 7Nov 17 12:57
prurigroits like "oh, well the person who put the sticker on my car is still an asshole, but at least they're a charitable asshole :)"Nov 17 12:58
prurigroyes!Nov 17 12:58
prurigrowell, windows 7 is actually a pretty nice product, not that I'd use itNov 17 12:58
Brendan_Tprurigro: yeah, a weird amount of them speak both english and some other language. i suppose it could be called 'diverse'Nov 17 12:58
Brendan_Tlast i checked 'diverse' was coming to mean 'at least one black person'Nov 17 12:59
DaemonFCmexicans count tooNov 17 12:59
prurigrolol, American standards?Nov 17 12:59
DaemonFCso do lesbians Nov 17 12:59
prurigrololNov 17 12:59
DaemonFCand satanistsNov 17 12:59
DaemonFCput them all together and satisfy more government quotas with fewer peopleNov 17 12:59
prurigrolol, apparently there aren't any satanistsNov 17 12:59
prurigrowho aren't crazy at leastNov 17 13:00
Brendan_Tit is funny seeing so many american films that have black actors doing some important roll even if they dont fit the act or simply suck, just so they can avoid being called racist or what everNov 17 13:00
DaemonFCa half-black, half-hispanic, lesbian satanistNov 17 13:00
DaemonFChot damn, I satsfied the government!Nov 17 13:00
Brendan_Tthink black cop white cop filmsNov 17 13:00
DaemonFCgo sit over there, you don't have to workNov 17 13:00
prurigroWill Smith: Wild Wild WestNov 17 13:00
DaemonFCyour job is to keep Uncle Sam off my backNov 17 13:00
DaemonFC;)Nov 17 13:00
prurigrothey always leave out the Asians don't theyNov 17 13:01
prurigro=DNov 17 13:01
DaemonFCno, they're stereotyped as hard workersNov 17 13:01
DaemonFCI want the rest of my staff to be all asianNov 17 13:01
DaemonFCthen when the white people complain, they're not in the minority by lawNov 17 13:01
DaemonFCso they don't matterNov 17 13:01
DaemonFCperfectNov 17 13:01
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 13:01
prurigroactuallyNov 17 13:01
prurigrothe legal definition of minorityNov 17 13:01
DaemonFCI knowNov 17 13:02
DaemonFCthe Connecticut firefighters caseNov 17 13:02
DaemonFCwhere the supreme court ruled that white people had been discriminated againstNov 17 13:02
DaemonFCin a rare showing of sanityNov 17 13:02
DaemonFCthe rampant reverse discrimination forced out more qualified white applicants from positions they deservedNov 17 13:02
DaemonFCbecause some blacks and hispanics scored worse on the aptitude testsNov 17 13:03
prurigrois a group of people who get less than other groups due to physical characteristicsNov 17 13:03
DaemonFCso they junked the whole systemNov 17 13:03
prurigroor something along those linesNov 17 13:03
DaemonFCwhen you make it abotu skin color more than qualification, it's going to backfire on you at some pointNov 17 13:04
prurigroanyway, white men are essentially the best fit group for the term 'minority' in north america than any otherNov 17 13:04
DaemonFCin that case, it didNov 17 13:04
prurigroand lolNov 17 13:04
prurigroin Canada it got girls the test difficulty reduced for girlsNov 17 13:04
prurigroerrNov 17 13:04
DaemonFCif the black applicant is more qualified than the white one, hire the black guy, it should be about meritNov 17 13:04
prurigrominus 'for girls'Nov 17 13:04
DaemonFCnot skin color to fill government quotas with what may be bad workersNov 17 13:04
DaemonFCthe people that cry foul are the ones who don't actually have any marketable skills and just want hired anywayNov 17 13:05
DaemonFCnot always, but most of the timeNov 17 13:05
prurigrowell the idea is supposed to be that if there are two people equally qualified, the non white one will get hired, if there are two equally qualified non white people, if one of them is native american, they will be hired, otherwise if one of them is female, she will be hiredNov 17 13:05
prurigroand a female native american beats a female immigrantNov 17 13:06
prurigrobut they also have quotasNov 17 13:06
prurigroso the equal qualification thing kinda goes down the drain thereNov 17 13:06
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DaemonFC"workplace diversity" should mean people with complimenting talents and skillsNov 17 13:06
DaemonFCnot what race or religion they subscribe toNov 17 13:07
DaemonFCor who they fuckNov 17 13:07
DaemonFCbut that's not how it works in practiceNov 17 13:07
prurigroDaemonFC: as long as we focus on race, in a supposedly good or bad direction, the system is racistNov 17 13:07
DaemonFC"workplace diversity", in practice, just means hiring people that look differentNov 17 13:07
prurigroI think people should be hired with numbers instead of names on their resume, and interviews like in blind date, except with muffled voicesNov 17 13:07
prurigroif they're really so worriedNov 17 13:08
DaemonFCwell, what's really bad is the US federal government mandates that employers put a place for your age, race, and religion on your applicationNov 17 13:08
DaemonFCbut filling it out is officially "optional"Nov 17 13:08
DaemonFCbut if you don't, they'll probably trash your application without looking at itNov 17 13:09
DaemonFC"Oh, a white guy in his 60s, well, we don't need any more of them, and he'd be a burden on our health insurance pool"Nov 17 13:09
DaemonFCnext!Nov 17 13:09
DaemonFC"Oh, look, a black Muslim with no work experience, we get EEOC karma for him!"Nov 17 13:10
DaemonFChired!Nov 17 13:10
DaemonFC"This one skipped that section, can't hire him, he doesn't want us to know every detail of his personal life, probably wouldn't want to piss in a cup for a job running a cash register anyway!"Nov 17 13:11
DaemonFCTrashed!Nov 17 13:11
DaemonFCI have a feeling this is how that EEOC compliance crap worksNov 17 13:12
DaemonFCit fills minority quotas, weeds out burdens to their group health insurance pool, and gets rid of the employees who have that pesky privacy expectationNov 17 13:13
schestowitzbrrrr....Nov 17 13:15
schestowitzso cold..Nov 17 13:15
DaemonFC"Now where's Ahmad the Dead Terrorist. I know I saw someone with a terroristy name in that pile, better call ICE"Nov 17 13:15
*schestowitz shakyNov 17 13:15
schestowitz3 cups of coffee on deckNov 17 13:15
prurigroyup, its not a "oh he's white that wont do"Nov 17 13:16
prurigroits "oh, he's black, that will do"Nov 17 13:16
prurigrotherefore not filling it out doesn't change thingNov 17 13:16
prurigroI dunno if religion is included?Nov 17 13:16
prurigrois it?Nov 17 13:16
DaemonFClets just drop the political correctnessNov 17 13:17
DaemonFCand settle with being merely correct insteadNov 17 13:17
DaemonFCthis is how the system worksNov 17 13:17
DaemonFCeveryone knows itNov 17 13:17
DaemonFCif you mention it, you're a racistNov 17 13:17
prurigrooh well I  was more asking about it being on the applicationNov 17 13:18
prurigroI could see raceNov 17 13:18
DaemonFCyou're supposed to just suffer in silence if you're one of the groups that anti-discrimination laws create discrimination againstNov 17 13:18
prurigrocanada just has "are you a member of a visible minority?"Nov 17 13:18
prurigroand I'm always tempted to say yes, becaues I am, technicallyNov 17 13:18
prurigrobut I wouldn't be if I was allowed to check that boxNov 17 13:19
prurigroso its kind of a catch 22Nov 17 13:19
DaemonFCfat bastards likes Michael Moore don't know whether to shit or wind their wrist watch when white people fight back in courtNov 17 13:19
DaemonFCit's glorious Nov 17 13:19
DaemonFC*likeNov 17 13:20
prurigrolol, Michael Moore-- I feel like he's good intentioned, but he can't see an argument of holes if he flew through oneNov 17 13:21
prurigrocouldn't*Nov 17 13:21
DaemonFChe's not wittyNov 17 13:21
DaemonFChe's just stupid and in your face and offensiveNov 17 13:22
DaemonFChe has every bad quality of Glenn Beck or Bill O'ReillyNov 17 13:22
DaemonFCjust on the other sideNov 17 13:22
prurigroyea, I really disliked when he went into what's his face (head of the NRA)Nov 17 13:22
prurigrohouseNov 17 13:22
prurigroand started accusing him of all sorts of stuffNov 17 13:22
DaemonFCthere's nothing wrong with the NRA, other than that it tends to attract nut cases in some situationsNov 17 13:23
DaemonFCthere are lobbyist groups to fight for our civil libertiesNov 17 13:23
DaemonFCand for our rights on the internet, like EFFNov 17 13:23
prurigroand yup- that pretty much sums it up, though I feel like Glen is a bit more self serving in his approach than Bill or MichaelNov 17 13:23
DaemonFCand the NRA is no differentNov 17 13:23
DaemonFCthey fight in court to preserve a constitutional rightNov 17 13:23
DaemonFCand that's a good thingNov 17 13:23
DaemonFCfighting government power grabs against individuals is always a good thingNov 17 13:23
prurigroits like going to Dr Shulgin's house and harassing him because some kid took too much street ecstacy and died of a heat stroke after dancing all night without water (cuz they charge so much at raves)Nov 17 13:24
DaemonFCThe tenth amendment to the US constitution says that all powers not explicitly granted to the federal government, nor denied to the states, belong with the peopleNov 17 13:24
DaemonFCit would be nice to see the government actually working like that some timeNov 17 13:25
prurigroin what respect?Nov 17 13:25
prurigronot sure I see how it connectsNov 17 13:25
DaemonFCwhich means that there are additional rights, granted to individuals, by the US constitution, that were supposed to be so obvious that they shouldn't need to spell them all outNov 17 13:25
DaemonFCbut apparently they should haveNov 17 13:25
DaemonFCthen it would have been the first 100 amendments, instead of the first 10Nov 17 13:26
prurigrolol, if not explicitly stated... are you taking about something specific though?Nov 17 13:26
DaemonFCyesNov 17 13:26
prurigrohither forth! =DNov 17 13:26
DaemonFCthe US supreme court has been accused of judicial activism in granting rights not specifically stated in the constitutionNov 17 13:26
DaemonFCbut rights which are valid and strongly inferred by existing text in the constitutionNov 17 13:27
prurigrooh, so they do follow it, but get in trouble?Nov 17 13:27
DaemonFCthere's no explicit "right to privacy", but the fourth amendment suggests that it was intendedNov 17 13:27
DaemonFCso the court told the states they can't bust into peoples houses to arrest two adults for having consentual sexNov 17 13:28
DaemonFCrulings like that should come down more often than they doNov 17 13:28
DaemonFCthe goal of the constitution, which failed miserably, was to keep the federal government smallNov 17 13:29
DaemonFClike, 1/10th the size it is nowNov 17 13:29
prurigroI feel like the media's divided the people and pitted them against each other, in part, because it means that 75% of the population are less likely to be able to get together and decide to amend the Constitution with something to that respectNov 17 13:29
DaemonFCand largely out of direct influence over the day to day lives of the average citizenNov 17 13:29
prurigrosince media outlets all seem to be tied to one of the two major parties in the USNov 17 13:29
prurigroor a corporation with those tiesNov 17 13:29
DaemonFCnow you have them saying they can force you to buy health insuranceNov 17 13:30
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 13:30
prurigrowell I mean, health care isn't a bad thing for them to have providedNov 17 13:30
DaemonFCthat isn't unconstitional at a state level unless the state's constitution forbids itNov 17 13:30
prurigrobut the government should never force you to buy a product from a companyNov 17 13:30
DaemonFCMassachussetts already had this requirement  Nov 17 13:30
prurigroif its coming from your taxes, it should be provided by the government itselfNov 17 13:30
DaemonFCevery state requires you to buy car insurance to driveNov 17 13:30
DaemonFCthe federal government would be overreaching if they made it mandatory at that levelNov 17 13:31
DaemonFCjust as they overreached with the healthcare lawNov 17 13:31
prurigroyes, but this is if you want to driveNov 17 13:31
prurigroyou can choose not toNov 17 13:31
DaemonFCit's times like these I wish I was a federal judgeNov 17 13:31
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prurigrothe healthcare law wasn't so much overreaching as it was not reaching enough, but also in a completely incorrect directionNov 17 13:31
DaemonFCsoftware patents outNov 17 13:32
DaemonFCindividual purchasing mandates outNov 17 13:32
DaemonFCincorporation clause in, within the confines of the federal constitution, not federal statuteNov 17 13:32
prurigrothe government should be redesigned, taxes should provide at a bare minimum the things you need to succeed- education, health care, fire, policeNov 17 13:32
DaemonFCthe incorporation clause is something I agree withNov 17 13:33
prurigroanything else like military or science should be optional boxesNov 17 13:33
prurigroyou can checkNov 17 13:33
DaemonFCit states that US federal constitutional law binds the statesNov 17 13:33
DaemonFCand overrides anything they doNov 17 13:33
DaemonFCI don't think federal statutory laws should apply the same wayNov 17 13:33
prurigrothat's probably why california is so schizophrenic about marijuanaNov 17 13:33
prurigrohmm agreedNov 17 13:34
prurigrothat'd fix the marijuana issueNov 17 13:34
DaemonFCI think if a state wants to legalize marijuana, the DEA should have no jurisdiction over that drug in that stateNov 17 13:34
prurigroyup, if anything, change could happen much more slowly that wayNov 17 13:35
DaemonFCif things were running the way I think they should, the feds would only have jurisdiction in Washington DC, federal property, and national parksNov 17 13:35
DaemonFCunless they were invited in by the state in questionNov 17 13:35
prurigroand it wouldn't be the huge shock to the system legalizing marijuana, for example, would cause at the federal levelNov 17 13:35
prurigrohahaNov 17 13:35
prurigrowell I meanNov 17 13:35
DaemonFCunless a crime was committed across state linesNov 17 13:35
DaemonFCof courseNov 17 13:35
DaemonFCthen the FBI gets itNov 17 13:35
prurigrodo you not think that to realize a truly libertarian reality, you need some basic checks in place to ensure everyone gets the same initial opportunity, at least?Nov 17 13:36
prurigroand couldn't the federal government handle those things?Nov 17 13:36
DaemonFCI think that the further up the levels of government you go, the less able that layer is to represent the interests of a region Nov 17 13:36
DaemonFCand so it should not have the same powers as a regional or local government entityNov 17 13:37
prurigrothat's why I said basicNov 17 13:37
prurigroeducation is required to succeed, and it should be paid all the way up to graduation from collegeNov 17 13:37
prurigroif you fail a course and retake, that should be on you, sureNov 17 13:37
DaemonFCin a sense, I think a weak federal system is the optimal system of governmentNov 17 13:37
prurigrohealth is required to succeedNov 17 13:37
DaemonFCnot a system where the states are ultimately supreme, like in a confederacyNov 17 13:38
DaemonFCbut not where the federal layer is micromanaging, like in the US system currentlyNov 17 13:38
prurigronot through some public option that simply adds the ability to go through some government mandated health insurance planNov 17 13:38
prurigrobut to pay for any non-cosmetic, necessary medical proceduresNov 17 13:39
DaemonFCI think the state governments should have state government level health insurance poolsNov 17 13:39
DaemonFCnot managed or funhded by the federal government at allNov 17 13:39
DaemonFC*fundedNov 17 13:39
DaemonFConce you get federal funding you get the feds deciding who to take fromNov 17 13:39
DaemonFCand who to give it toNov 17 13:39
prurigrothe government should handle dividing out the cashNov 17 13:39
prurigroso a poor state doesn't get shittier service than a rich oneNov 17 13:39
prurigrobut yea, each state should be the ones taking care of implementationNov 17 13:40
prurigroat that pointNov 17 13:40
DaemonFCI don't feel like getting taxes in Indiana to buy health insurance for people in CaliforniaNov 17 13:40
DaemonFCI think the pools should be at state levelNov 17 13:40
DaemonFCwith each state taxing for and paying for its own needsNov 17 13:40
prurigrowhy should your standard of care be determined by the average GDP of a state?Nov 17 13:40
prurigroif one state thinks MRIs are more important than beds, sureNov 17 13:41
prurigrobut the idea that living in new orleans means I'm poor, and can't get a doctor for 12 hoursNov 17 13:41
prurigrowell that's kinda shitNov 17 13:41
DaemonFCwell, you should move somewhere with a better systemNov 17 13:41
DaemonFCeventually your politicians will get the pictureNov 17 13:41
prurigroyou're all in the statesNov 17 13:41
DaemonFCor the state will be populated by leeches and parasites who can't afford a decent systemNov 17 13:42
prurigroyour way involves certain areas slowly becoming uninhabitedNov 17 13:42
DaemonFCI quite like the idea of turning the south into a leper colonyNov 17 13:42
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 13:42
DaemonFCsorryNov 17 13:42
DaemonFC:DNov 17 13:42
prurigromy way involves those areas having more opportunities because of a fair start, and eventually contributing the same as the restNov 17 13:42
prurigroand lol, well fair enough thereNov 17 13:42
prurigromaybe we could make a fundamentalist nutjob clauseNov 17 13:43
prurigrosaying that god is in charge of any medical issues with themNov 17 13:43
DaemonFCeventually the only people left will be the ones paying no taxes and expecting the government to do everything for themNov 17 13:43
DaemonFClike the ones left behind during KatrinaNov 17 13:43
DaemonFCwhile the more responsible states say that people who don't have a disability and don't work don't get health insurance from the poolNov 17 13:44
prurigrotax money can be sacrificed before a crossNov 17 13:44
DaemonFCthen they prosper and the south can become a total cesspoolNov 17 13:44
DaemonFCnot that it's far from itNov 17 13:44
prurigrothere's no such thing as 'responsible'Nov 17 13:44
prurigroin that respectNov 17 13:44
prurigrocommunities that grow up with amenities are going to be productive, periodNov 17 13:44
prurigrothose that grow up without are going to wither and dieNov 17 13:45
prurigroyou'll always have a few leeches and a few exceptional casesNov 17 13:45
DaemonFCI say the people who don't work don't eatNov 17 13:45
DaemonFCand the people who don't eat won't be needing health insurance for longNov 17 13:45
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 13:45
prurigrololNov 17 13:45
prurigrowell those people might have kidsNov 17 13:45
prurigroand those kids aren't going to be growing up in a very happy environmentNov 17 13:45
prurigroyou're ignoring a problemNov 17 13:46
prurigroinstead of fixing itNov 17 13:46
DaemonFCno I'm notNov 17 13:46
DaemonFCeventually Louisiana will look much like sub-saharan AfricaNov 17 13:46
DaemonFCI admit thatNov 17 13:46
DaemonFCbut Indiana will be doing fineNov 17 13:46
prurigroand you don't think it'll start to bleed?Nov 17 13:46
DaemonFC:DNov 17 13:46
DaemonFCwell, if they don't want that future, they can stop cashign welfare checksNov 17 13:47
DaemonFCand put on their work bootsNov 17 13:47
DaemonFCI wouldn't be a popular politicianNov 17 13:48
DaemonFCpoliticians that say no to people wanting handouts don't get electedNov 17 13:48
DaemonFCeven the ones that claim to say no never turn down the big special interests, like the AARPNov 17 13:48
prurigroits not that simpleNov 17 13:51
prurigrowelfare is a broken system that traps peopleNov 17 13:51
prurigrothe way it isNov 17 13:51
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prurigroand the only way out that some states do provide, involves essentially leaving children unsupervised while they get shipped off at odd hours to work minimum wag e jobsNov 17 13:52
sebsebsebhiNov 17 13:52
prurigroI understand your argument, but I've studied this and its a systemic issue, not one of being lazy-- the question is, do you want to slowly let the country rot and fester around you, or do you want to contribute a bit more than your share right now to start correcting problems for the future?Nov 17 13:54
prurigroI suppose it comes down to who you see as 'your people'Nov 17 14:00
prurigroAmericans? People from the same state as you?Nov 17 14:00
prurigrohow far do you want to be able to travel and feel at homeNov 17 14:00
prurigro?Nov 17 14:01
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DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=doom3_linux_mesa&image=id_doom3_intel3_show&w=1920Nov 17 14:31
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DaemonFCThere's Doom 3 "just working" on Intel Sandy BridgeNov 17 14:31
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 14:31
DaemonFCexcellent driversNov 17 14:31
DaemonFCheheNov 17 14:31
DaemonFCif you squint, you can almost make out how many hit points the player character has leftNov 17 14:32
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=doom3_linux_mesa&num=3Nov 17 14:33
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DaemonFCby the time he got it working, Intels drivers managed to run a game from 2004 at 22 fpsNov 17 14:33
DaemonFCthe "minimum" for a fps to be playable is about 30 fpsNov 17 14:33
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 14:33
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=doom3_linux_mesa&num=4Nov 17 14:34
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DaemonFCNouveau fared much betterNov 17 14:34
DaemonFCan old Geforce 9800 GT with Nouveau on an otherwise identical setup, got ~44 fps on ultra high graphics with 1920 x 1080 resolutionNov 17 14:35
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=doom3_linux_mesa&num=7Nov 17 14:36
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DaemonFCthe Radeon story is similar to NouveauNov 17 14:36
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DaemonFCthe newer hardware, like with Nouveau, performs slower, because the open source drivers are less optimized for them at this pointNov 17 14:36
DaemonFCthe game is quite playable on r700 cardsNov 17 14:37
DaemonFCbut barely playable at all on the latest "r900" modelsNov 17 14:37
DaemonFCit doesn't surprise me reallyNov 17 14:38
DaemonFCmost of those cards won't even do anything at all for you without at least Linux 3.0 and Mesa 7.11Nov 17 14:39
DaemonFCthe "r800" Evergreen hardware, like I have, is finally having the open source code matureNov 17 14:39
DaemonFCit has been around in open source for just under two years nowNov 17 14:40
DaemonFCYou can get r700 cards on Newegg for a songNov 17 14:40
DaemonFCand they're so old and "refined" at this point that many of them have passive coolingNov 17 14:40
DaemonFCwhich means no loud and noisy fan that is prone to failNov 17 14:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @AP: AP VIDEO: Right-to-know laws spread worldwide, but are often ignored. Here's more on @AP's investigation:http://t.co/ih1LB9w7 -EFNov 17 14:42
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DaemonFCit kind of confirms what I have suspected all alongNov 17 14:42
DaemonFCopen source is nothing more than an exit strategy for when the card is a few years old and AMD no longer wants to support it with CatalystNov 17 14:42
DaemonFCYou "can" run your brand new $400 card on it, but you wouldn'tNov 17 14:43
DaemonFCbecause it would be slower than something from 2005Nov 17 14:43
DaemonFCopen source is basically not an option until the card is 2-3 years oldNov 17 14:44
DaemonFCit is an option, but not a realistic oneNov 17 14:44
DaemonFCthe evergreen card he shows here is misleadingNov 17 14:44
DaemonFCthe closest corresponding r700 he shows is the 4770Nov 17 14:45
DaemonFCso if you really consider it, at this point Evergreen is performing better than the r700 counterparts in open sourceNov 17 14:45
DaemonFChe misleads as usualNov 17 14:45
DaemonFCthe 4850 is a faster card than the 5750Nov 17 14:46
DaemonFCit just doesn't support DirectX 11 Nov 17 14:46
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 14:46
DaemonFCthe r700 cards support DirectX 10.1 and OpenGL 3.3Nov 17 14:46
DaemonFCand other than Evergreen supporting DirectX 11 and OpenGL 4.2, there's not much differenceNov 17 14:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @alek: @MichalBoni will head Poland's new Ministry of Administration and Digitization, great news for Polish digital society.Nov 17 14:47
DaemonFCEvergreens are more power efficient than their r700 counterpartsNov 17 14:47
DaemonFCto the tune of about 15-20%Nov 17 14:47
DaemonFCand the hardware design is optimized a bit moreNov 17 14:47
DaemonFCso each model's Evergreen counterpart will also perform 5-10% fasterNov 17 14:48
DaemonFCthere's no major urgent reason to go buy a corresponding Evergreen as an upgrade, unless you're feeling....green?Nov 17 14:49
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 14:49
MinceRit ain't easy being greenNov 17 14:49
DaemonFCI suppose if you live in Taxachessetts or the European Union, it might be worth shelling out the moneyNov 17 14:51
DaemonFCif you pay electricity rates in a state with the carbon scam tax going onNov 17 14:51
DaemonFCthe difference would pay you back for the card if you used it for a couple yearsNov 17 14:51
DaemonFCTaxachusetts ratherNov 17 14:52
DaemonFC;)Nov 17 14:52
DaemonFCwhere electricity is almost 40 cents a kilowatt hour and everyone is gouged more than the national average for health insuranceNov 17 14:53
DaemonFC:DNov 17 14:53
DaemonFCyou know, liberalsNov 17 14:53
DaemonFCsacrifice babies to MolochNov 17 14:53
DaemonFCgive drivers licenses to Mexicans that can't read EnglishNov 17 14:54
DaemonFCgood stuffNov 17 14:54
MinceRdey took our jerbs!Nov 17 14:54
DaemonFCprurigro: It goes back to my theory that we should let the states do more of what they want to doNov 17 14:54
DaemonFCyou'll end up with leper colonies to the southNov 17 14:55
DaemonFCsuper high taxes in the EastNov 17 14:55
DaemonFCand lots of jobs coming to IndianaNov 17 14:55
DaemonFCsince the welfare cases in Lousiana won't want to workNov 17 14:55
DaemonFCand the taxes will be too high for businesses to set up along the northern part of the US east coastNov 17 14:56
DaemonFCIndiana winsNov 17 14:56
DaemonFCput Texas in charge of the electric grid and watch most states get electricity for 6 cents per kilowatt hourNov 17 14:57
DaemonFCwhile Massachusetts charges like $1Nov 17 14:57
DaemonFCput the states in chargeNov 17 14:57
DaemonFClet everyone there get what they think they wantNov 17 14:57
DaemonFCIndiana winsNov 17 14:57
DaemonFCB-)Nov 17 14:57
prurigroDaemonFC: but then you just have a bunch of countries-- that's why I was saying that you gotta decide how far from home you wanna feel at homeNov 17 14:58
prurigroand if you already don't feel at home outside your own state, maybe your opinion makes senseNov 17 14:58
DaemonFC"I don't think you're doing what you think you're doing, but as long as it doesn't concern me, don't let me stop you"Nov 17 14:59
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 14:59
prurigrojust know that this won't changeNov 17 14:59
prurigrohaha, well I mean, if you're referring to how I feel the cause and effect situation will play outNov 17 15:00
prurigrothis has been proven in many real life scenariosNov 17 15:00
prurigroand once its bad, its always a million times worse to make it good againNov 17 15:00
DaemonFCgive the Mexicans drivers licenses in CaliforniaNov 17 15:00
DaemonFClet Indiana invalidate them hereNov 17 15:00
DaemonFCsee, we can all get what we wantNov 17 15:01
DaemonFCit already works that way with marriage and divorceNov 17 15:01
DaemonFCwhy not drivers licenses? :)Nov 17 15:01
DaemonFCI have a feeling if you gave the states everything they're all trying to get at once, Indiana's population would triple in the first yearNov 17 15:02
DaemonFCIndiana over here, the 49 quarantine zones for crazies, liberals, welfare abusers, and illegal immigrants, surrounding usNov 17 15:03
DaemonFCthere's a pleasant thoughtNov 17 15:03
DaemonFCwhile we're at it, lets have internal passports, those are what REAL ID is anywayNov 17 15:04
DaemonFCit just doesn't keep the undesirables from living in the state of their choiceNov 17 15:04
DaemonFCbig big signs on the state borders, All visitors are subject to full body cavity searchNov 17 15:06
DaemonFCbut that might backfire and attract Christian evangelists and some Republican congressmenNov 17 15:07
DaemonFCbetter annotate that with "Not performed by attractive young nubile teenagers"Nov 17 15:09
DaemonFCMinceR: My Congress critter responded to the emails against the blacklist billNov 17 15:09
DaemonFCby putting up a recaptcha that other sites can't display on his contact formNov 17 15:10
MinceR:/Nov 17 15:10
DaemonFCwhat a shitheadNov 17 15:10
MinceRindeedNov 17 15:10
prurigroI think the majority of the system is broken, not in the fact that its flawed, but in that its been installed for a long time now without having had any updates to its security, and a lot of hackers have found ways to break inNov 17 15:11
DaemonFCMinceR: I've tried talking to the guy before while he was in townNov 17 15:12
DaemonFChe told me to go awayNov 17 15:12
MinceRdid you vote for him?Nov 17 15:12
DaemonFChe can do that because he "represents" a district that is so gerrymandered, he gets 80% of the voteNov 17 15:12
DaemonFCno matter what he doesNov 17 15:12
DaemonFCMinceR: I've always voted against whoever runs against himNov 17 15:13
DaemonFCon years he has an opponent anywayNov 17 15:13
DaemonFC:PNov 17 15:13
DaemonFC*voted forNov 17 15:13
DaemonFCgahNov 17 15:13
DaemonFCI hate that guyNov 17 15:13
DaemonFCit makes my head jam up thinking about that wormNov 17 15:13
DaemonFCDan BurtonNov 17 15:13
DaemonFCfriend to all (lobbyists)Nov 17 15:13
DaemonFCenemy to no special interestNov 17 15:14
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 15:14
DaemonFCalso crackpot conspiracy theoristNov 17 15:14
DaemonFCvoted to impeach ClintonNov 17 15:14
DaemonFChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_BurtonNov 17 15:15
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DaemonFChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Burton#ControversiesNov 17 15:15
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DaemonFC"... off the coast of Bolivia"Nov 17 15:15
DaemonFCftwNov 17 15:15
DaemonFC"In March 1997, as the investigation began, Burton was accused of demanding a $5,000 contribution from a Pakistani lobbyist. The lobbyist said that when he was unable to raise the funds, Burton complained to the Pakistani ambassador and threatened to make sure "none of his friends or colleagues" would meet with the lobbyist or his associates.[42]"Nov 17 15:16
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 15:16
DaemonFCConstituent mailingsNov 17 15:17
DaemonFCAn Arizona newspaper study ranked Burton as the fifth-biggest user of free congressional mail, sending constituents more than $190,000 worth of mail in 2007.[44]Nov 17 15:17
DaemonFCtax money at workNov 17 15:17
DaemonFC(on his reelection mailings)Nov 17 15:17
DaemonFCBurton is a member of the Board of Advisors of THE INSTITUTE on Religion and Public Policy. Burton is a 33° Scottish Rite Freemason, and a member of Evergreen-Oriental Lodge No. 500 in Indianapolis, Indiana.[51]Nov 17 15:17
DaemonFCmy congressman :)Nov 17 15:18
DaemonFCyuckNov 17 15:18
DaemonFCMr. YuckNov 17 15:18
DaemonFCIn January 2007, the House passed a measure by a vote 430-1 that banned members from accepting gifts and free trips from lobbyists and discounted trips on private planes. Burton cast the sole nay vote.[34]Nov 17 15:18
DaemonFChe likes to miss votes regarding things like IraqNov 17 15:19
DaemonFCto go play golf with his lobbyistsNov 17 15:19
DaemonFCfrom AT&TNov 17 15:19
DaemonFChe's probably the most corrupt congressman, if not the mostNov 17 15:20
DaemonFC"I support fiscal responsibility, that's why I used $200,000 of your money to send out my own election mailers"Nov 17 15:20
DaemonFCre-elected in a landslideNov 17 15:20
DaemonFCstupid fucksNov 17 15:20
DaemonFCany redistricting that is likely to get rid of him has my supportNov 17 15:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Swiss banker linked to WikiLeaks, Rudolf Elmer, appeals verdict http://t.co/wSBmZCAdNov 17 15:22
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DaemonFCsweetNov 17 15:26
DaemonFCsomeone attacked my base with paladin tanksNov 17 15:26
DaemonFCthe attack ended in 20 seconds, right after they drove over a patch of my shaped chargesNov 17 15:26
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 15:26
DaemonFCdestroying half of them and badly damaging the restNov 17 15:26
DaemonFCnow I'll reposition the mines so that they avoid the patch they "know about" from last time and run over them all againNov 17 15:27
DaemonFC:DNov 17 15:27
DaemonFCthis guy must be so pissed at me Nov 17 15:27
DaemonFCI retaliated Nov 17 15:38
DaemonFCwith my air and ground forcesNov 17 15:38
DaemonFCknocked over all his resource dumps and destroyed all his tanks on his map + war factoryNov 17 15:38
DaemonFCB-)Nov 17 15:38
DaemonFCthat should teach himNov 17 15:38
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-11 17:21:30 UTC - Identi.ca: #Amazon Regrets Software Patenting http://ur1.ca/5w84u #swpatsNov 17 17:26
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-11 17:21:48 UTC - Identi.ca: Techrights in the Post-Microsoft/Novell World http://ur1.ca/5w4cf #techrights #novellNov 17 17:27
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-11 17:22:27 UTC - Identi.ca: #Microsoft Spin Kicks in to Daemonise Google Because #Android Grows http://ur1.ca/5w9pv #swpatsNov 17 17:28
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/85410367 "This is a hardest situation, because tue EU parlament is full of corrupt politicians ... " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/835443Nov 17 17:43
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-11 17:35:03 UTC - Identi.ca: European Union/Commission Saves Us From Big Brother http://is.gd/R3rhY1 #eu #ukNov 17 17:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ccording to the news today (the theme one comes across by listening to any radio station in the UK), continental Europe http://ur1.ca/5wa4wNov 17 17:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] German UNESCO Commission releases “Open Content Licenses – A Practical Guideline” http://ur1.ca/5wa5iNov 17 17:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » European Union/Commission Saves Us From Big Brother .::. Size~: 36.48 KBNov 17 17:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: National eGovernment systems creating new digital borders where physical ones long since http://p.ost.im/p/eBwwc6Nov 17 17:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Benefits of Migrating to Linux http://ur1.ca/5wabi #linux #gnuNov 17 18:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #RedHat Shares Show GNU/Linux Growth http://is.gd/tthQhd #gnu #linuxNov 17 18:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] A day with my XO http://ur1.ca/5wade #olpc #fedora #gnu #linuxNov 17 18:02
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DaemonFC my dad picked up on some of my terminology such as DRM-poisoned and US ICE thugsNov 17 18:08
DaemonFCand MAFIAA content cartelsNov 17 18:08
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/85411048Nov 17 18:17
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-11 17:57:44 UTC - Identi.ca: Is #LinuxMint the Most Popular Distro? http://ur1.ca/5wabp #ubuntuNov 17 18:17
cubezzzgot my commodore stickers todayNov 17 18:20
cubezzzkind of funny, there's a skull and crossbones sticker for covering the windows keys :)Nov 17 18:20
schestowitzcool :-)Nov 17 18:20
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TechrightsBot-trgot my commodore stickers todayNov 17 18:21
TechrightsBot-trkind of funny, there's a skull and crossbones sticker for covering the windows keys :)Nov 17 18:21
TechrightsBot-trcool :-)Nov 17 18:21
DaemonFC"The only difference between the American firewall and the Chinese one is that the Chinese do it to silence and suppress enemies of the party, and in the United States it is being done because rich and greedy fat bastards running companies like Microsoft, Apple, and the RIAA/MPAA have bought our government. Eventually this kind of thing will spread to silence enemies of The Party (There are two here that are really just one)."Nov 17 18:21
DaemonFC-me in an email to my dadNov 17 18:21
DaemonFC'he got one of those "graduated response letters from the criminalsNov 17 18:21
DaemonFCvia the criminals at his ISP, ComcastNov 17 18:21
schestowitzDaemonFC: good callNov 17 18:22
cubezzzwhat does 'US ICE thugs' mean?Nov 17 18:22
schestowitzis carl farmer politically activeNov 17 18:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] UK: Contact your MP now! Commons debate on extradition abuses Thu 24 Nov in Westminster Hall http://t.co/f9aHvrF0 http://t.co/Fu4clz6rNov 17 18:22
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schestowitzcubezzz: ICE is the oiimmifration officeNov 17 18:22
DaemonFCschestowitz: YeahNov 17 18:22
TechrightsBot-tr@: Nov 17 18:22
schestowitzBut they also block domainsNov 17 18:22
schestowitzlike, at DNS levelNov 17 18:22
schestowitzFor copyright reasonsNov 17 18:22
schestowitzTHe US is like some sort of wartime eraNov 17 18:22
DaemonFChe said he was talking to two guys running for a county commissioner seat where he livesNov 17 18:22
schestowitzThrowing unrelates regulations at stuffNov 17 18:23
DaemonFCone was a Democrat and the other was a RepublicanNov 17 18:23
schestowitzThe emergency is people getting smartwrNov 17 18:23
schestowitzNot an external enemyNov 17 18:23
DaemonFCand he asked them if they had any policy differences at allNov 17 18:23
schestowitzThr real enemy in the US is an informed populationNov 17 18:23
DaemonFCand they struggled to name anyNov 17 18:23
schestowitzwith 500 million firearmsNov 17 18:23
DaemonFCand so he asked them if we do in fact have the best government money can buyNov 17 18:23
DaemonFCone of them said "Good question"Nov 17 18:23
DaemonFC"It makes me sick that such a law is even being considered here. It's one more step to Corporatocracy. You can already theoretically murder someone and be out in 5 years. Or you can crack a copy of Windows, the license of which costs roughly $100 or on up, and theoretically do 20 years for it. The US government considers costing Microsoft $100 to be worth four human lives. That's with the laws on the books right now. (Cracking DRM under the DMCA)"Nov 17 18:26
DaemonFC-meNov 17 18:26
DaemonFC"So, they're policing old episodes of Warehouse 13 now? Someone wants to get their DVD sales up. Episodes you will only watch once or twice can be yours for only $60 a season! ;)"Nov 17 18:28
DaemonFC-meNov 17 18:28
DaemonFCthe letter he got was over an old episode of Warehouse 13Nov 17 18:28
DaemonFC"The system they want is this. Pay up, Get out, or Don't drop the soap. "Nov 17 18:30
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DaemonFCI love this game....Nov 17 18:34
DaemonFCso the asshole comes back for moreNov 17 18:34
DaemonFCOKNov 17 18:34
DaemonFC Your User ID is: 500949 Nov 17 18:34
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*schestowitz has kicked DaemonFC from #techrights (User term)Nov 17 18:35
schestowitzlolNov 17 18:36
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DaemonFCsorryNov 17 18:36
schestowitznp mateNov 17 18:36
DaemonFCwhat the hell was that?Nov 17 18:36
DaemonFCdid I give you my social security number?Nov 17 18:36
schestowitzyou ask ME?Nov 17 18:36
DaemonFCbank routing information?Nov 17 18:36
schestowitzgame logNov 17 18:37
*DaemonFC hates copy pasting from browsersNov 17 18:37
schestowitz[18:35] <DaemonFC> You attacked TarikNov 17 18:37
DaemonFCyou select two linesNov 17 18:37
DaemonFCit pasts 500Nov 17 18:37
schestowitzSo ryan stone, what did YOU do last summer?Nov 17 18:37
DaemonFChow does that happen?Nov 17 18:37
schestowitzdon't worry abut ir, s* happensNov 17 18:37
schestowitzdo you play now?Nov 17 18:37
DaemonFCI amused myselfNov 17 18:37
DaemonFC;)Nov 17 18:38
DaemonFC"tarik" doesn't know when to stopNov 17 18:38
DaemonFCevery time he comes to scratch the paint on my base and lose everything, I go flatten his baseNov 17 18:38
DaemonFCthen he comes backNov 17 18:38
schestowitzI was on the phone actuiallyNov 17 18:38
schestowitzHad to drop the call to kick youNov 17 18:38
DaemonFC:DNov 17 18:39
schestowitzno, i's okayNov 17 18:39
schestowitzI wanted to get off the phone anywayNov 17 18:39
schestowitzgossip and boredomNov 17 18:39
schestowitztalking about my cousin in MiamiNov 17 18:39
DaemonFCoh, you're welcome thenNov 17 18:39
schestowitzand what was in the fridgeNov 17 18:39
schestowitzit ended like, so I had all this cheese in the fridgeNov 17 18:40
DaemonFCI keep the game running in the background as I workNov 17 18:40
schestowitzAnd me thinking, "OK, I think it's a good place to cut it.."Nov 17 18:40
DaemonFCevery once in a while I switch over to it, destroy someone, then go back to what I was doingNov 17 18:40
schestowitzkubuntu?Nov 17 18:40
schestowitzor mint?Nov 17 18:40
schestowitzxubuntu?Nov 17 18:40
DaemonFCFedora right now actuallyNov 17 18:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Updated! Corrected German & Japanese versions of the #powerofopen book now up at http://ur1.ca/5egt0Nov 17 18:40
DaemonFCSysinfo for 'ryan-desktop': Linux 3.1.1-2.fc16.x86_64 running KDE Development Platform 4.7.3 (4.7.3), CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 945 at 2300 MHz (5986 bogomips), HD: 11/909GB, RAM: 7769/7988MB, 178 proc's, 9.27h upNov 17 18:40
schestowitz16?Nov 17 18:40
schestowitzahNov 17 18:40
DaemonFCyeahNov 17 18:40
schestowitzokNov 17 18:40
schestowitzwhat's 4.7 like?Nov 17 18:41
DaemonFCgood, stableNov 17 18:41
schestowitzcomparwd to 4.4 (10.04 lts)Nov 17 18:41
DaemonFCakonadi and nepomuk haven't crashes at all since 4.7.3Nov 17 18:41
DaemonFCwhich is notableNov 17 18:41
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 18:41
schestowitzI don't dirable tose turdsNov 17 18:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Power of Open .::. Size~: 4.18 KBNov 17 18:41
schestowitzthey slow down my machine and I never use themNov 17 18:41
DaemonFCcompared to 4.4, tons of stuff has changedNov 17 18:41
schestowitzbut maybe they got fixedNov 17 18:42
DaemonFCthe compositor was rewrittenNov 17 18:42
schestowitzmaybe I don't use them rightNov 17 18:42
DaemonFCKDE PIM got a new major versionNov 17 18:42
schestowitzthey never bring up resultsNov 17 18:42
schestowitzit just slows me down trying to indexNov 17 18:42
schestowitzlike vistaNov 17 18:42
DaemonFCall around, just faster and better with less bugsNov 17 18:42
schestowitzhttp://www.datamation.com/open-source/ubuntu-netbooks-vs.-tablets-1.htmlNov 17 18:43
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu's Tablet Ambition: Doomed to Fail - Datamation .::. Size~: 65.31 KBNov 17 18:43
schestowitzalways so negative in datamation these daysNov 17 18:43
schestowitzappeal to emotionNov 17 18:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] The #powerofopen & other CC resources are made possible by you! Give to our Annual Campaign, going on now http://ur1.ca/5iluhNov 17 18:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Donate to Creative Commons | Creative Commons .::. Size~: 37.05 KBNov 17 18:44
DaemonFCI don't know how this guy can be so bad at this gameNov 17 18:44
DaemonFChe has better units than I doNov 17 18:44
DaemonFChe has a better command centerNov 17 18:44
DaemonFCyet, the battles have gone overwhelmingly in my favorNov 17 18:45
DaemonFCbecause he just doesn't seem to get the whole strategy thingNov 17 18:45
schestowitzdid you play warcraft? (the old ones)Nov 17 18:47
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/85396571Nov 17 18:47
TechrightsBot-tr@The Root's Updates (rootbrian)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-11 09:40:52 UTC - Identi.ca: NO WONDER they get remotely bricked by google and carriers!!!Nov 17 18:47
DaemonFCyeahNov 17 18:51
DaemonFCthe Windows 9x onesNov 17 18:51
schestowitzWhere you any good?Nov 17 18:51
schestowitzdid you finish them?Nov 17 18:51
schestowitzI think missions were called "Campaigns" thereNov 17 18:52
schestowitzand you had 13 levels in one of them, maybe the firstNov 17 18:52
schestowitzI finished both of them, but spend hundreds of hours on it... I was like 15Nov 17 18:52
DaemonFCI liked Command & Conquer a lot betterNov 17 18:54
DaemonFCthe old ones, before EA bought WestwoodNov 17 18:54
DaemonFCEA buys companies, sucks out their cool, and rehashes their old franchises over and over with lots of bugs and DRMNov 17 18:54
DaemonFCthey're like the wraith of the video game industryNov 17 18:55
cubezzzlooks like they're losing money these daysNov 17 18:57
DaemonFCStarsiege and Tribes were excellentNov 17 18:57
cubezzznet income -$677 millionNov 17 18:57
DaemonFCgoodNov 17 18:57
DaemonFCmaybe they can die alreadyNov 17 18:57
DaemonFCmake some room for some startups with some fresh ideasNov 17 18:57
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cubezzzeven has a criticism section on wikipediaNov 17 18:58
DaemonFCyou mean where their PR agency moved it to another page and obscured all the references to the page?Nov 17 19:01
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/85412071Nov 17 19:01
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-11 18:34:18 UTC - Identi.ca: Turkish company builds 65-inch Android 'tablet' with Honeycomb, 1080p support (video) http://is.gd/RFMAKE  #linuxNov 17 19:01
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DaemonFCthat's Wikipedia NPOV for youNov 17 19:01
schestowitzDaemonFC: LOLNov 17 19:02
schestowitzTypicalNov 17 19:02
cubezzznope, all the criticisms are in plain viewNov 17 19:02
DaemonFCDO WANT!!!!Nov 17 19:02
DaemonFCthe tablet is freaking sweetNov 17 19:02
DaemonFCbigger than my TVNov 17 19:02
DaemonFCschestowitz: I tried to edit Walmart's article to show what they do with unionsNov 17 19:03
DaemonFCand to mention the lawsuits against themNov 17 19:03
DaemonFCbut Edelman moved it all to a "Criticism of" pageNov 17 19:04
DaemonFCI also wrote a page about union busting and linked to that from the new "Criticism of Walmart" pageNov 17 19:04
DaemonFCso their PR people followed the link and made sure to put in a bunch of FUD about unions into that articleNov 17 19:05
DaemonFCso I have upNov 17 19:05
DaemonFCWikipedia is bought and paid forNov 17 19:05
cubezzzI never buy anything from walmartNov 17 19:05
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_bustingNov 17 19:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Union busting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 114.99 KBNov 17 19:05
DaemonFCseems the page I started still existsNov 17 19:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: Hurt Locker demands in US are $3K if settle within 3 weeks. Must visit settlement site which "accepts all major credit cards"Nov 17 19:12
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DaemonFChttp://twitter.com/#!/war_commander/Nov 17 19:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: War Commander (@war_commander) on Twitter .::. Size~: 37.6 KBNov 17 19:12
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 19:12
Faitherahoi ^^Nov 17 19:13
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/new?replyto=satipera&inreplyto=85413301Nov 17 19:16
TechrightsBot-trNot a dent?Nov 17 19:16
schestowitzFaither: skippa!Nov 17 19:16
Faitherschestowitz: ;DNov 17 19:16
schestowitz"@schestowitz "There is a patent for that." very good."Nov 17 19:16
schestowitzHe deleted this dentNov 17 19:16
schestowitzoddNov 17 19:16
DaemonFCOpenSuse 12.1 sounds goodNov 17 19:18
DaemonFCbut there's nothing in it that screams of originalityNov 17 19:18
Faithersome1 said the backgroud wasn't green anymore that's change xDNov 17 19:19
Faitherbut i haven't checkedNov 17 19:20
DaemonFCI hopped back on Fedora as soon as Catalyst supported 16Nov 17 19:20
DaemonFCI think all and all that's always been the real issue with new Fedora releases for meNov 17 19:20
Faither"openSUSE 12.1: All Green!" they say xDNov 17 19:20
DaemonFCI talked to Kevin Kofler about their Mesa situation in FedoraNov 17 19:21
Faitheroh, did amd finally release a driver for the new xorg?Nov 17 19:21
DaemonFChe said RPM is looking into a mesa-freeworld to implement that patented bits that Fedora can't shipNov 17 19:21
DaemonFC*RPM FusionNov 17 19:21
DaemonFCFaither: YesNov 17 19:22
DaemonFConly took them a monthNov 17 19:22
Faitherthe free driver is quite workable thoughNov 17 19:22
DaemonFCand there's not even an Ubuntu that needs itNov 17 19:22
DaemonFCimpressiveNov 17 19:22
Faithersame thing with Oracle and virtualbox drivers thoughNov 17 19:23
Faitherthey also take their timeNov 17 19:23
DaemonFCVirtualbox is packagedNov 17 19:30
DaemonFCby RPM FusionNov 17 19:30
FaitherDaemonFC: It's been a long time since I last took fedora for a spin ...Nov 17 19:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Thanks to @NancyPelosi for joining the growing bipartisan coalition opposing #SOPA, the Internet #blacklist bill! https://eff.org/r.2GFNov 17 19:35
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Faitherbwha... I'm freezing xD Left windows open all day long xDNov 17 19:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security advisories for Thursday http://ur1.ca/5wd7kNov 17 19:40
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DaemonFChttp://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/8339.htmlNov 17 19:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: mjg59 | Attacks on secure boot .::. Size~: 21.17 KBNov 17 19:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Interview with Andrew Tanenbaum (LinuxFr.org) http://ur1.ca/5wdp5Nov 17 19:57
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DaemonFCnobody can attack my base while I'm at itNov 17 20:04
DaemonFCgame logs you out after 6 minutes of inactivityNov 17 20:04
DaemonFCsolution: Firefox app tab with reloadevery set for 5 minutesNov 17 20:04
DaemonFCheheNov 17 20:04
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Kryczekis ReloadEvery good again?Nov 17 20:07
Kryczeklast I checked everybody was saying it was full of adware or somethingNov 17 20:07
DaemonFCI didn't see anyNov 17 20:08
Faitheryou can use a simple <frame> and set it to outoreload the page xDNov 17 20:09
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAxNjkNov 17 20:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] FreeBSD 9.0 RC2 Arrives Late, Pushes Back Final .::. Size~: 15.02 KBNov 17 20:11
DaemonFCHighlights of FreeBSD 9Nov 17 20:11
DaemonFCMy GPU doesn't work but they found the time to rewrite grep to avoid the GPLNov 17 20:11
DaemonFCyeehawNov 17 20:11
FaitherSteve Jobs would be proud...Nov 17 20:13
DaemonFChttp://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=222273Nov 17 20:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [base] Revision 222273 .::. Size~: 5.02 KBNov 17 20:14
DaemonFCrewrite thousands of lines of code that already existed because we hate the GPL: checkNov 17 20:15
DaemonFCstale version of ZFS: checkNov 17 20:15
DaemonFCWorking Radeon 5000+: Deferred indefinitely Nov 17 20:16
DaemonFCNIH some features that have been in Linux since 2007: checkNov 17 20:17
DaemonFCAt least it's not Linux: double checkNov 17 20:17
DaemonFChttp://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65056-FreeBSD-9.0-RC2-Arrives-Late-Pushes-Back-Final&p=239024#post239024Nov 17 20:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle: FreeBSD 9.0 RC2 Arrives Late, Pushes Back Final .::. Size~: 32.49 KBNov 17 20:20
DaemonFCI knew I could make a decent Moronix trolling out of thatNov 17 20:21
Faither^^Nov 17 20:23
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DaemonFC[15:23] <DaemonFC> triple buffering + vsync = no tearing allowedNov 17 20:27
DaemonFC[15:23] <DaemonFC> makes kwin so much easier on the eyesNov 17 20:27
DaemonFC[15:25] <DaemonFC> on the other hand, it makes GNOME's Hell stutterNov 17 20:27
DaemonFC[15:25] <DaemonFC> but, who cares? :)Nov 17 20:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] A knowledgeable western observer of Syria said to Paxman that more soldiers are dead than civilians, it did not go down well with NATO news.Nov 17 20:30
DaemonFCStephen won't be happyNov 17 20:33
XFaCEprurigro: Have you tried parabola?Nov 17 20:33
DaemonFCI used my riflemen as breadcrumbs attack again to lure his tanks outNov 17 20:33
DaemonFCso I could bomb themNov 17 20:33
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 20:33
DaemonFCsomeone was in their chat asking me for strategy advice, I pointed out that if he levels up a few times, I'll end up fighting himNov 17 20:34
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 20:34
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FaitherWhat does IDK stand for?Nov 17 20:45
FaitherI don't knowNov 17 20:46
DaemonFCIDKNov 17 20:46
DaemonFC;)Nov 17 20:46
DaemonFCheheNov 17 20:46
FaitherNo one ever knows )=Nov 17 20:46
DaemonFCyeahNov 17 20:46
Faither^^Nov 17 20:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Videos from #opened11 sessions are now up under #CC BY at http://ur1.ca/5wg3wNov 17 21:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: openedconference's Channel       - YouTube .::. Size~: 186.76 KBNov 17 21:14
XFaCEDaemonFC: Techrights needs some kool initialsNov 17 21:15
XFaCEschestowitz: Come look in my schestNov 17 21:16
DaemonFCsches to the witzNov 17 21:16
DaemonFCbe up and representin this biatch!Nov 17 21:16
*DaemonFC pulls his pants down and buckles them around his kneesNov 17 21:17
DaemonFCword :PNov 17 21:17
XFaCEDaemonFC: You'd fit right in in my home town now. Nov 17 21:18
XFaCE:PNov 17 21:18
XFaCEYeah, Techrights needs it's own YTMNDNov 17 21:19
XFaCE(The powerinitials, not the actual site format (ugh))Nov 17 21:19
DaemonFChttp://freexpkey.ytmnd.com/Nov 17 21:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle: YTMND - Free Windows Xp Key .::. Size~: 4.34 KBNov 17 21:21
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DaemonFChttp://sonicxp.ytmnd.com/Nov 17 21:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: YTMND - Sonic XP .::. Size~: 4.32 KBNov 17 21:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] "Appropriart!" - Awesome graphic about copyright under #CC BY-NC: http://bit.ly/nVk0i8Nov 17 21:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: "Appropriart!" A Graphic about Copyright by Susie Cagle, co-produced by MDF and GIA | Media Democracy Fund .::. Size~: 13.8 KBNov 17 21:22
DaemonFChttp://neslinkxp.ytmnd.com/Nov 17 21:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: YTMND - 8-Bit Zelda XP (Now With Correct Music) .::. Size~: 4.37 KBNov 17 21:23
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DaemonFChttp://whatisxpplusmusic.ytmnd.com/Nov 17 21:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: YTMND - What Is XP - Now with NO drums! .::. Size~: 4.53 KBNov 17 21:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @BillMcCluggage: #egov2011pl: Neelie Kroes - "we need to embrace the possibilities of open data"Nov 17 21:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @DavidHernie Zetten jullie #BeTrains niet wat in de kijker? ;) #iRail #wp7beNov 17 21:24
DaemonFChttp://xpvader.ytmnd.com/Nov 17 21:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: YTMND - Vader XP .::. Size~: 4.33 KBNov 17 21:25
DaemonFCVader wasn't killed by PalpatineNov 17 21:25
DaemonFChe forgot to renew his Windows licenseNov 17 21:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @Mareelge: Belgium again quoted as Open Data paradise because NMBS sued person building app with the http://ur1. ...Nov 17 21:25
DaemonFChttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5724564501836652849Nov 17 21:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Final Fantasy 1 Speedrun NES .::. Size~: 50.34 KBNov 17 21:28
XFaCEWell, that's the last time I even mention YTMND here again.Nov 17 21:28
XFaCE*everNov 17 21:28
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DaemonFCXFaCE: YTMND XPNov 17 21:37
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 21:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Interesting, the Windsors replied to Burke's Peerage in 1963 that their learning problem girls were dead when they were hidden away.Nov 17 21:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Ricky Gervaise and Life Is Too Short, not funny, not satire, just exploitation and the discomfort he thrives on. 0/10.Nov 17 21:47
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*DaemonFC is listening to Thunderstruck by AC-DC on The Razors Edge [Amarok]Nov 17 22:21
*DaemonFC goes to kill something on War CommanderNov 17 22:21
DaemonFCB-)Nov 17 22:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] When you stand for election the ruling class sees you as a problem to be slowly roasted at their leisure. #politicsNov 17 22:22
*MinceR is listening to: Unreal Tournament OST - Colossus (Michiel)Nov 17 22:22
prurigroXFaCE: I haven't tried Parabola  yet, but I did work on this https://wiki.parabolagnulinux.org/Emulator_licensing_issues with the ones @ #parabola earlier todayNov 17 22:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Emulator licensing issues - Parabola GNU/Linux-Libre Wiki .::. Size~: 15.15 KBNov 17 22:24
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cubezzzI'm listening to mod files on my amiga 500! ;-)Nov 17 22:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Apache moves Geronimo to OSGi base (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/rp7KI9Nov 17 22:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] what exactly do you mean by "brick"Nov 17 22:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Apache moves Geronimo to OSGi base | Open Source Software - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 103.56 KBNov 17 22:27
cubezzzso thereNov 17 22:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Britain is a shining beacon of democracy I remember as soon as Hong Kong was over for the British they all of a sudden wanted a democracy.Nov 17 22:29
*MinceR is listening to: Machinae Supremacy - A View From The End Of The World - CybergenesisNov 17 22:31
XFaCEbblNov 17 22:31
prurigroMinceR: oh man, machinae supremacy, I haven't listened to them in like 10 years =DNov 17 22:35
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prurigroMinceR: I remember I wrote them asking if their song "The Wired" was about Serial Experiments Lain, and one of the band members wrote back all excited, telling me that they normally didn't write back to fan mail but wanted to confirm that the song in fact was =DNov 17 22:38
prurigrogood timesNov 17 22:38
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MinceR:)Nov 17 22:41
*MinceR is listening to: Machinae Supremacy - A View From The End Of The World - Indiscriminate Murder Is Counter-ProductiveNov 17 22:41
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schestowitzMinceR: yourascal youNov 17 22:42
*DaemonFC is listening to My Song by Jerry Cantrell on Boggy Depot [Amarok]Nov 17 22:42
*schestowitz listens to Little Green BagNov 17 22:42
*DaemonFC is listening to Fuck the System by System of a Down on Steal This Album! [Amarok]Nov 17 22:44
*DaemonFC loves having to manually tag files because MusicBastardz censors themNov 17 22:44
DaemonFC;)Nov 17 22:44
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DaemonFChmmmNov 17 22:47
*DaemonFC is listening to Dead Bodies Everywhere by Korn on Follow The Leader [Amarok]Nov 17 22:47
DaemonFCI'm having one of those "I don't know what I want to hear" daysNov 17 22:47
prurigroDaemonFC: what kinda musics you like?Nov 17 22:49
DaemonFCthings that offend others are always a plusNov 17 22:50
DaemonFCfor the amusement valueNov 17 22:50
prurigrohmmNov 17 22:50
prurigrolemme see if my library has any of thatNov 17 22:50
prurigroyou like chaos or order?Nov 17 22:50
*DaemonFC is listening to Violent Pornography by System of a Down on Mezmerize [Amarok]Nov 17 22:51
DaemonFCheheNov 17 22:51
DaemonFCCan you say "brainwashing?" (b-b-b-b-brainwashing)Nov 17 22:51
DaemonFC;)Nov 17 22:51
prurigroDaemonFC: ever give Godspeed! You Black Emperor much of a chance?Nov 17 22:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Now Burlusconi has gone there is loads of room for a.n.other idiot, not just in Italy.Nov 17 23:05
DaemonFChttp://theabyssgazes.blogspot.com/2010/03/teal-and-orange-hollywood-please-stop.htmlNov 17 23:08
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Into The Abyss: Teal and Orange - Hollywood, Please Stop the Madness .::. Size~: 441.06 KBNov 17 23:08
MinceRgnNov 17 23:10
schestowitzhttp://www.sutor.com/c/2011/11/mobile-tech-preview/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BobSutor+%28Bob+Sutor%29Nov 17 23:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Getting started with mobile in the enterprise: The IBM Mobile Technology Preview | Blog | Bob Sutor .::. Size~: 53.69 KBNov 17 23:21
schestowitzthat explains his obsession with mobile newsNov 17 23:21
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AmougSo, MS and Apple are backing up SOPA...Nov 17 23:22
Amoughttp://thenextweb.com/insider/2011/11/17/which-tech-companies-back-sopa-microsoft-apple-and-27-others/Nov 17 23:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 29 Tech Companies Back SOPA .::. Size~: 112.12 KBNov 17 23:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Admittedly as an Englishman I heard the opening sequences to Burnistoun this week and thought they were Scandanavian.Nov 17 23:27
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cubezzzhmm, makes unauthorized streaming a felonyNov 17 23:28
cubezzzseems rather harshNov 17 23:28
cubezzzremoves safe harbor provisions of the DMCANov 17 23:28
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dr0fceGCWgNov 17 23:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Superweapons - Emperor: Battle for Dune       - YouTube .::. Size~: 92.76 KBNov 17 23:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] La la laNov 17 23:34
cubezzzBill C-60 died, then bill C-61 died, and finally bill C-32 diedNov 17 23:34
cubezzzso now there's Bill C-11Nov 17 23:34
schestowitzHeheNov 17 23:35
schestowitzUntil nobdy is watching Nov 17 23:35
schestowitzLike Digital Economy ActNov 17 23:35
DaemonFCWormsign!Nov 17 23:35
DaemonFC:PNov 17 23:35
schestowitzthe lobbyists keep getting fundedNov 17 23:35
schestowitzWhile the public grows weary and tiredNov 17 23:35
cubezzzwell the upshot of all this is no DMCA-type law for CanadaNov 17 23:36
DaemonFCthe public grows fat an stupidNov 17 23:36
schestowitzDaemonFC: ryanstein, what's up?Nov 17 23:36
schestowitzwatch your barracksNov 17 23:36
DaemonFCnot that they weren't alreadyNov 17 23:36
DaemonFCjust moresoNov 17 23:36
schestowitzI sent some griffins there\Nov 17 23:36
DaemonFCafter I get this base upgraded, I plan to strike back at MarcusNov 17 23:36
DaemonFC20 Rhinos and 41 UAVsNov 17 23:36
schestowitzgerman dude?Nov 17 23:36
schestowitzI see your rhinos and riase you one nukeeelar vepon!Nov 17 23:37
DaemonFCactuallyNov 17 23:37
DaemonFCafter I upgrade my command centerNov 17 23:37
DaemonFCI'll be able to build 60 UAVsNov 17 23:37
DaemonFCthat will be niceNov 17 23:37
cubezzzso you're using wine for this I assume?Nov 17 23:37
DaemonFCnoNov 17 23:37
DaemonFCFlashNov 17 23:37
schestowitzlolNov 17 23:38
*DaemonFC is listening to Come as You Are by Nirvana on MTV Unplugged in New York [Amarok]Nov 17 23:38
FaitherGNNov 17 23:38
cubezzzI wonder if the DMCA act really does anythingNov 17 23:39
cubezzzI'm seeing ebook de-crypters everywhereNov 17 23:39
DaemonFCsure it doesNov 17 23:39
DaemonFCit sounds scaryNov 17 23:39
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DaemonFCthe goal of these acts isn't to imprison a lot of peopleNov 17 23:39
DaemonFCit's to make it a possibility so people police themselvesNov 17 23:40
cubezzzare people allowed to de-crypt stuff they paid for?Nov 17 23:40
cubezzzhow would anyone know if they did?Nov 17 23:40
DaemonFCspy on your neighborsNov 17 23:40
DaemonFCinform ICE of their treasonous un-American software copyingNov 17 23:40
DaemonFCget warm fuzzy feeling inside knowing you helped Microsoft Nov 17 23:41
DaemonFCB-)Nov 17 23:41
cubezzzhahaNov 17 23:41
schestowitzthey hurt corn FarmersNov 17 23:41
schestowitzand corn HarmonsNov 17 23:41
cubezzzwe never manage to pass DMCA laws up hereNov 17 23:41
cubezzzat least so farNov 17 23:41
schestowitzyou?Nov 17 23:42
schestowitzor hollywood?Nov 17 23:42
schestowitzit's not Canada trying to pass itNov 17 23:42
schestowitzmaybe Warner CanadaNov 17 23:42
cubezzzmaybeNov 17 23:42
schestowitzand Sony CanadaNov 17 23:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Sometimes, it's a bit of a hassle.Nov 17 23:42
schestowitzthey should label i DM.caNov 17 23:42
schestowitzand say it's all about sovereigntyNov 17 23:42
*DaemonFC is listening to Lake of Fire by Nirvana on MTV Unplugged in New York [Amarok]Nov 17 23:43
DaemonFCwhere do bad folks go when they die?Nov 17 23:43
schestowitzno .ca MP would resist such a nicely named amendmentNov 17 23:43
DaemonFCthey go to a lake of fire and fryNov 17 23:43
DaemonFCwon't see em again til the 4th of JulyNov 17 23:43
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 23:43
cubezzzI complained to TVO about flash video but later on I figured out how to retain all the videoNov 17 23:43
cubezzzso another control mechanism bites the dustNov 17 23:43
DaemonFCflv crap is just a container for MPEG crapNov 17 23:44
DaemonFC:)Nov 17 23:44
schestowitzyeahNov 17 23:44
cubezzzyes, but the browser doesn't really delete itNov 17 23:44
schestowitzmany years ago I thought it was fla-specificNov 17 23:44
schestowitzthat there was an encoding process done for swf runtimeNov 17 23:44
DaemonFCright, or you can just use Flash Video HelperNov 17 23:44
DaemonFCand avoid going through the garbage looking for a flv file with a random nameNov 17 23:44
schestowitzin youtube you can get download heperNov 17 23:44
DaemonFCB-)Nov 17 23:44
schestowitzhelperNov 17 23:45
schestowitzas a FF pluginNov 17 23:45
DaemonFCerrr, video download helper for FirefoxNov 17 23:45
DaemonFCit works on most Flash sitesNov 17 23:45
DaemonFCit can even strip the flv container and cram it in an mpeg container insteadNov 17 23:45
DaemonFCI'm not saying I like mpeg, but switching containers is not lossyNov 17 23:46
DaemonFCtranscoding into something else isNov 17 23:46
cubezzzwhatever worksNov 17 23:46
DaemonFCit's like transcoding from MP3Nov 17 23:47
DaemonFCthe Vorbis file will sound like shitNov 17 23:47
DaemonFCat the point it's an MP3, it's already damaged goodsNov 17 23:47
DaemonFCtranscoding just makes it worseNov 17 23:47
DaemonFCsame with video codecsNov 17 23:47
cubezzzpfft, you don't even need video downloader helperNov 17 23:49
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