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schestowitzcubezzz: U have fhe command-line downloader tooNov 18 00:08
cubezzzyes but if you understand how the browser caches the video you can always find the file and just copy it to some other directoryNov 18 00:12
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cubezzzotherwise you're downloading it twiceNov 18 00:13
cubezzzwell, assuming you watched it onceNov 18 00:13
schestowitzI knowNov 18 00:14
cubezzzthere's some flash based internet radio tooNov 18 00:15
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sebsebsebhiNov 18 00:21
DaemonFChttp://lists.kde.org/?l=koffice&m=92516339527344&w=2Nov 18 00:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 'Microsoft's 3rd man speaks out fear of KOffice' - MARC .::. Size~: 4.04 KBNov 18 00:25
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sebsebsebDaemonFC: the Microsoft linkNov 18 00:29
sebsebsebthat it links to doesn't workNov 18 00:29
sebsebsebanywayNov 18 00:29
sebsebsebKOffice and Abiword and GNumeric evenNov 18 00:29
sebsebsebthey are hardly a threat to Microsoft Offices market shareNov 18 00:29
sebsebsebDaemonFC: really the only program that is is LibreOffice or the only programs that are is LibreOffice and OpenOFFICENov 18 00:29
DaemonFCRyan,Nov 18 00:30
DaemonFCNobody thought it could be done, but it looks like we've turned the tide against the Internet Blacklist Bill.  Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi just spoke out against it, and Republican Darrell Issa says it now stands "no chance of passage"!Nov 18 00:30
DaemonFCIt's been a show of force like no other: More than 700k anti-censorship contacts have been delivered to Congress so far this week, as the Blacklsit Bill gets heard in committee.Nov 18 00:30
DaemonFCWhat an amazing couple of days -- let's top it off, and spread the great news!  Nov 18 00:30
DaemonFCPlease send one more message to Congress -- even if you already have -- touting our numbers and telling them they need to back down.  Let's make it clear that the Internet has risen up, and won't back down until Congress heeds our calls.Nov 18 00:30
DaemonFCa message from Demand ProgressNov 18 00:30
sebsebsebDaemonFC: shame that Microsoft thingi sn't there anymoreNov 18 00:30
sebsebsebto do with KOfficeNov 18 00:30
sebsebsebwas it there in the first place?Nov 18 00:30
sebsebsebwould have been intersting to see something like that on the Microsoft siteNov 18 00:31
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiBt-pqp0ENov 18 00:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS - George Carlin       - YouTube .::. Size~: 99.61 KBNov 18 00:38
schestowitztech rights?Nov 18 00:39
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XFaCEschestowitz: So it looks like the Internet will survive, for now...Nov 18 00:53
XFaCEDaemonFC: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/17/idUS402801936220111117Nov 18 00:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Online Piracy Act Dead? Nancy Pelosi, Darrell Issa Both Come Out Against (Updated) | Reuters .::. Size~: 93.02 KBNov 18 00:54
DaemonFCPelosi loved it last weekNov 18 00:55
DaemonFCwhat happened? :)Nov 18 00:55
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzrxy9A7Ja4&feature=relatedNov 18 00:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: george carlin describes rush limbaugh       - YouTube .::. Size~: 96.32 KBNov 18 00:56
cubezzzlol, secure boot defeated alreadyNov 18 00:56
schestowitzLinks 17/11/2011: Nov 18 00:56
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHdBjU_mK8c&feature=relatedNov 18 00:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: George Carlin - Tax religion!       - YouTube .::. Size~: 92.22 KBNov 18 00:57
XFaCEcubezzz: Pics or it didn't happenNov 18 00:57
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO-inGy3DIc&feature=relatedNov 18 00:58
TechrightsBot-trTitle: George Carlin - Credit Card Purchases       - YouTube .::. Size~: 98.55 KBNov 18 00:58
XFaCEschestowitz: Pleased to note that the comment FUDgates have been dry as of late.Nov 18 00:58
XFaCEcubezzz: Where did you read this?Nov 18 00:58
XFaCEschestowitz: Oh, and I trademark the word FUDgates and demand compensation of 1000 chai tea lattes.Nov 18 00:59
cubezzzhttp://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/11/security-researcher-defeats-windows-8-secure-boot.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rssNov 18 01:01
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Security researcher gets root on Windows 8 with bootkit .::. Size~: 33.81 KBNov 18 01:01
XFaCEDaemonFC: I thought that was pretty clever. ;)Nov 18 01:01
schestowitzMemcached 1.4.10Nov 18 01:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Bipartisan opposition to #SOPA: Senators Rand Paul, Jerry Moran, and Maria Cantwell come out against the bill: https://eff.org/r.G8KNov 18 01:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Senators Rand Paul, Jerry Moran And Maria Cantwell All Warn That PROTECT IP Will Kill Jobs | Techdirt .::. Size~: 50.08 KBNov 18 01:02
schestowitzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzrxy9A7Ja4&feature=relatedNov 18 01:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: george carlin describes rush limbaugh       - YouTube .::. Size~: 95.67 KBNov 18 01:02
schestowitzoldNov 18 01:02
schestowitzHehe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbGOdON80Es&feature=relatedNov 18 01:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: John McCain Meets George Carlin       - YouTube .::. Size~: 95.07 KBNov 18 01:03
schestowitzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbGOdON80Es&feature=relatedNov 18 01:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: John McCain Meets George Carlin       - YouTube .::. Size~: 94.87 KBNov 18 01:04
schestowitz"That was great, and potholer54 has some more great videos. I needed a good laugh today ... Thanks. " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/831901Nov 18 01:05
TechrightsBot-tr@: Nov 18 01:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 17/11/2011: AMD Catalyst 11.11, Memcached 1.4.10 http://ur1.ca/5wlpi #techrightsNov 18 01:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Links 17/11/2011: AMD Catalyst 11.11, Memcached 1.4.10 | Techrights .::. Size~: 133.69 KBNov 18 01:06
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XFaCEschestowitz: Is just me, or there a general feeling of Winning going around, on our side?Nov 18 01:08
XFaCE“Only because Microsoft have been buying back their shares keeping the price artificially high. No wonder shareholders are revolting.”Nov 18 01:10
XFaCEschestowitz: Ah, explains that article I read praising how Microsoft and Apple were big winners for the economyNov 18 01:10
XFaCEI figured something was fishyNov 18 01:11
prurigroXFaCE: I'd be tempted to blame the free market trading system for that oneNov 18 01:12
XFaCEUh, roy, this sentence doesn't make senseNov 18 01:12
XFaCEschestowitz: "and then there is the patent FUD. It’s something that we specialise in."Nov 18 01:12
XFaCEschestowitz: Sounds like Techrights is making the patent FUD.  Rephrase?Nov 18 01:12
XFaCEprurigro: That ooNov 18 01:12
XFaCEtooNov 18 01:12
prurigrowhen your company is making 2 billion a year and its considered a failure because it made 2.1 billion last year, you start seeing some shifty maneuversNov 18 01:13
prurigrowhich article is it?Nov 18 01:14
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prurigroor I guess this one hasn't been posted yetNov 18 01:17
XFaCEprurigro: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Tech+helps+boost+markets/5716864/story.htmlNov 18 01:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Tech helps boost U.S. markets .::. Size~: 59.1 KBNov 18 01:17
prurigrothis is the source?Nov 18 01:18
prurigroholy crap apple is ahead of microsoft right nowNov 18 01:19
XFaCEprurigro: jaNov 18 01:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Gameplay out of 100?Nov 18 01:29
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to _GoblinNov 18 01:31
_GoblinRoy, caught that COLA rant of EndersNov 18 01:40
_Goblinwow....Nov 18 01:40
cubefc1eh?Nov 18 01:40
DaemonFCOS X 10.7 removed all of OpenGL 1.x completelyNov 18 01:40
DaemonFCwowNov 18 01:40
cubefc1what now?Nov 18 01:40
_Goblinabout his banning....Nov 18 01:40
cubefc1ah, of courseNov 18 01:41
_GoblinI expect COLA is now the customer services for #techrightsNov 18 01:41
DaemonFCyour choices in OS X 10.7, as a developer are OpenGL 2.1 or 3.2, core profile onlyNov 18 01:41
cubefc1_Goblin, on a happier note I made a PC keyboard into a nice c64 keyboardNov 18 01:41
DaemonFCof course, Apple is so bad about backward compatibility that there was probably no Mac software that uses OpenGL 1 that still worksNov 18 01:42
cubefc1even has skull and crossbone stickers for the windows keys :)Nov 18 01:42
XFaCE_Goblin: Link please?  I'm always up for some laffsNov 18 01:42
XFaCE_Goblin: His blog has an earlier rant as well.  Seems you freemason connections command you to ban him!Nov 18 01:43
_Goblinah...Im looking at it through my email client...(and usenet sub)Nov 18 01:43
DaemonFC_Goblin goes out to Bohemian Grove Nov 18 01:43
DaemonFCwith all the other freemasonsNov 18 01:43
DaemonFCand does weird perverse stuff with themNov 18 01:43
DaemonFC:DNov 18 01:43
cubefc1yes indeed, we are FREEmasons :)Nov 18 01:43
DaemonFCnah ;)Nov 18 01:43
XFaCE!google Wide mouth masonNov 18 01:44
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - iii Official Website of Wide Mouth Mason iii | http://www.widemouthmason.com/Nov 18 01:44
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Wide Mouth Mason - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Mouth_MasonNov 18 01:44
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Wide Mouth Mason | Free Music, Tour Dates, Photos, Videos | http://www.myspace.com/widemouthmasonNov 18 01:44
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Wide Mouth Mason - Smile - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DPMzffiSfHzINov 18 01:44
_Goblin"but it just proves the remote control via the Medulla oblongata. Your unconscious (or super ego) mind is given information from the hive mind. Your only hope is having enough recessive material to break out of the control. "Nov 18 01:44
prurigrowhen in doubt, always assume the most complicated explanationNov 18 01:44
_GoblinI hope that answers any questions.Nov 18 01:44
DaemonFC_Goblin: Hail XenuNov 18 01:44
DaemonFCB-)Nov 18 01:44
_GoblinFor the record: That paste of text is nothing to do with me.Nov 18 01:45
XFaCE_Goblin: I suppose you could forard to me.Nov 18 01:45
_Goblinyeah or you can look in google groupsNov 18 01:45
_GoblinI'll forwardNov 18 01:45
_Goblinxface: there you go mate.....Nov 18 01:47
XFaCEthx ladNov 18 01:48
_Goblinshould be in your inbox nowNov 18 01:48
XFaCE"(last time ill bring it up)"; already goldenNov 18 01:48
XFaCE"e but it seemed to just beNov 18 01:49
XFaCE'Xface'. A fellow Canadian who has a grudge against me probably becauseNov 18 01:49
XFaCEhe thinks I'm right wing - he has accused me of it behind my back."Nov 18 01:49
sebsebseboh _Goblin is hereNov 18 01:49
XFaCEDamn him, he spelt it wrong!  How dare he?Nov 18 01:49
sebsebsebXFaCE: What?Nov 18 01:49
XFaCEsebsebseb: Just reading the latest tabloid from EnderNov 18 01:50
sebsebsebohNov 18 01:50
sebsebseblink?Nov 18 01:50
XFaCEon COLANov 18 01:50
XFaCEDon't know where, got it by emailNov 18 01:50
XFaCE"Snit was allowed back in and wasNov 18 01:50
XFaCEonly removed when he continued. My ban still seems to be based on myNov 18 01:50
XFaCEbeliefs (not liking cops or government)."Nov 18 01:50
_GoblinHas anyone here not said anything critical about those two?Nov 18 01:51
XFaCEOh, but I thought you and Snit were allied against Roy in some just fight to make Techrights clean.  I guess that union didn't last long.Nov 18 01:51
_GoblinI think Michael would rather distance himself from views on neanderthals.Nov 18 01:52
XFaCE_Goblin: Too close to home?Nov 18 01:52
_Goblinahhhh conspiracy!Nov 18 01:52
_GoblinI don't think Michael lives 10 miles underground....so I think everyone would be safe.Nov 18 01:52
XFaCEAnd for the record, there is nothing wrong with Right-Wing, just depends on the level of extremism.Nov 18 01:53
_GoblinNothing wrong with any point of view as long as it can be presented without personal attacks.Nov 18 01:53
_Goblinthats why it was only Brandon who was banned.Nov 18 01:53
XFaCEAnd I know Ender is an individualist, or whatever word he wishes to use to describe one who wishes us all to live in our own personal areas, growing our own food and producing our own energy.Nov 18 01:54
_Goblin(and for the purposes of the lurking trolls - the "any view" - is meaning in relation to techrights subjects)Nov 18 01:54
XFaCE_Goblin: Indeed, I didn't have a problem before that.  He was just a normal part of the channel.Nov 18 01:54
_GoblinXFaCE: Which is a great ideal, until your neighbour with the shotgun has had a bad harvest and wants some of your crops.Nov 18 01:55
XFaCE"Q: Why bother going back? (especially when I said you wouldn't)Nov 18 01:55
XFaCEA: I noticed I was unbanned. I figured if I played nice and not letNov 18 01:55
XFaCEmyself get involved with personal attacks that I would be welcome again.Nov 18 01:55
XFaCEI had a good time talking to prurigro and I figure other intelligentNov 18 01:55
XFaCEpeople might join the channel and that would benefit me."Nov 18 01:55
XFaCEcongrats prurigro, you're on his "good list"Nov 18 01:56
cubefc1the world's too crowded for everyone to grow their own foodNov 18 01:56
cubefc1you could grow _some_ food Nov 18 01:56
XFaCE"Q: If I don't represent Fedora, what purpose do I have supporting freeNov 18 01:56
XFaCEsoftware?Nov 18 01:56
XFaCEA: I support open source software and try to use it exclusively exceptNov 18 01:56
XFaCEfor purposes of entertainment (Gaming). I maintain a remix of FedoraNov 18 01:56
XFaCEcalled "EntanglementOS 16 Gematria Goblin". I promote Tor, i2p andNov 18 01:56
_Goblindon't be masonic cubefc1 ;)Nov 18 01:56
XFaCEanonymity. I promote code that is open source because many people canNov 18 01:56
XFaCEaudit the code for government or other spyware."Nov 18 01:56
XFaCEThat's a fair point.Nov 18 01:56
XFaCEThough I haven't really seen any activity in the EntanglementOS project, but I'll give him that.Nov 18 01:56
prurigro<3Nov 18 01:57
_Goblinof course he has no coding skill so he won't know unless others tell him that its "safe"Nov 18 01:57
cubefc1Plan 9 will rule the world!! ;-)Nov 18 01:57
prurigrowhere's this Q/A from?Nov 18 01:57
XFaCE!google Gematria GoblinNov 18 01:57
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - ENOCHIAN TAPESTRIES, INC.: Burial Hex - Angelic Gematria | http://luminousinsect.blogspot.com/2011/10/burial-hex-angelic-gematria.htmlNov 18 01:57
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - The Right to Dream Main Page | http://righttodream.digitaldreaming.org/chimera-rules.htmlNov 18 01:57
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - John Zorn | http://sonic.net/~goblin/8zorn.htmlNov 18 01:57
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - parshablog: Does the gershayim double the lamed, of gematria 30? | http://parsha.blogspot.com/2011/06/does-gershayim-double-lamed-of-gematria.htmlNov 18 01:57
XFaCEWhy am I not surprised?Nov 18 01:58
XFaCEprurigro: Will forward to you (sebsebseb too; need your email)Nov 18 01:58
cubefc1there's a load bunch of odd clubsNov 18 01:58
cubefc1Buffaloism is oneNov 18 01:58
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cubefc1er, whole load of odd clubs :)Nov 18 01:58
sebsebsebXFaCE: uh wha do you want to email me?Nov 18 01:58
XFaCEDon't tease the Buffalo, they're awesomeNov 18 01:58
XFaCEsebsebseb: The Ender BAWWWNov 18 01:58
_Goblinthere was me worried that people would laugh at my tabletop wargames club Ive join..... thats got nothing on this neanderthal club at all....Nov 18 01:59
prurigroXFaCE: sounds goodNov 18 01:59
XFaCEsentNov 18 01:59
XFaCELol, grudgeNov 18 01:59
prurigro_Goblin: 40k?Nov 18 01:59
XFaCEYes, I have such a grudge against him that I go out of my way to make a blog post detailing my torment brought on by him... oh wait.Nov 18 02:00
_Goblinprurigro: yepNov 18 02:00
_Goblinand Foundry minatures tooNov 18 02:00
cubefc1it would be cool if free software had "Grand Lodges"Nov 18 02:01
_GoblinWell I suppose thats the next step....apparently techrights loves cops and governments.Nov 18 02:01
_Goblinso may as well help those pesky neanderthals and make a lodge tooNov 18 02:01
cubefc1they could belch and eat pizza in their lodgeNov 18 02:02
_GoblincoolNov 18 02:02
sebsebsebXFaCE: ok i'll pm youNov 18 02:03
prurigro_Goblin: that game looks cool, but a seriously expensive hobbyNov 18 02:04
XFaCEsebsebseb: sentNov 18 02:04
_Goblinprurigro: Its something I rekindled.....good fun in that its very relaxing to paint the figures.....and a bit of fun to play on a tabletopNov 18 02:04
_Goblinmega geeky - probably.....but hey....Nov 18 02:05
_Goblinor would that be nerdy?Nov 18 02:05
_Goblinor maybe just sad.Nov 18 02:05
_GoblinMind you.....Nov 18 02:05
_Goblinone of the COLA Microsoft potty mouths called me an "ego monster" so maybe its a really cool hobby and I'm merely posturing?Nov 18 02:06
XFaCE_Goblin: Everyone hates you.  Don't you realize this by now?Nov 18 02:06
prurigroI think geek = lower intelligent nerdNov 18 02:06
prurigro?Nov 18 02:06
prurigroI'll go with nerd on this oneNov 18 02:07
_GoblinI bet you are all jealous that I have an ultra-marine army..Nov 18 02:07
prurigrothat stuffs pretty complexNov 18 02:07
_Goblinthe hardest part is fitting in the time to paint the thingsNov 18 02:07
prurigro_Goblin: that seems like 3/4 of the fun thoNov 18 02:07
_Goblinyeah it is....Nov 18 02:07
XFaCEI like Ender's repeated use of "behind my back".  How is a public IRC that is logged "behind his back"?Nov 18 02:08
prurigroI collected overpower and magic for a little while each in my younger years, and with those you just kinda stare at them between battlesNov 18 02:08
sebsebsebXFaCE:  ok :)Nov 18 02:08
cubefc1there was a star trek NG card game too :)Nov 18 02:09
_GoblinIve had so much fun with all those gaming environments over the years.....I think AD&D was my first outing in the 80's....oh yes and the STNG cards.....I had 2 Piccards....apparently worth alot at the timeNov 18 02:09
_Goblinthat was actually a very good collectable card gameNov 18 02:10
cubefc1still have quite a number of episodes on VHSNov 18 02:10
cubefc1complete with 1991 commercialsNov 18 02:10
_GoblinI haven't the facility to play videotape anymoreNov 18 02:10
XFaCE_Goblin: Makes perfect sense, since Picard is a freemason https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homer_the_GreatNov 18 02:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Homer the Great - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 59.58 KBNov 18 02:10
cubefc1do they still make VCRs?Nov 18 02:10
XFaCEcubefc1: yesNov 18 02:11
_GoblinXFaCE: Is he?  He can't be a favourite of the neanderthals then....Patrick Steward has no hair!Nov 18 02:11
cubefc1now all I need is APL stickersNov 18 02:11
cubefc1it's funny how old 1991 cars and vans look nowNov 18 02:12
_Goblinbut they looked so modern at the time!Nov 18 02:12
XFaCEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSpOjj4YD8cNov 18 02:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Simpsons: Stonecutters Song "We Do"       - YouTube .::. Size~: 93.07 KBNov 18 02:13
_GoblinlolNov 18 02:13
_GoblinI was just thinking about that!Nov 18 02:13
cubefc1and they even used Patrick Stewart's voice for that if I recall correctlyNov 18 02:14
_Goblindamn masonic neanderthal supporter.....Nov 18 02:14
cubefc1in 1991 I could buy disks for my amiga Nov 18 02:15
_GoblinAre women allowed in the Masons yet?Nov 18 02:15
cubefc1it wasn't a bad eraNov 18 02:15
XFaCEcubefc1: Yeah that was patrick-freemason jokeNov 18 02:15
cubefc1ahNov 18 02:15
cubefc1what do freemasons do?Nov 18 02:17
cubefc1is it just a social club?Nov 18 02:17
XFaCE_Goblin: Damn, he's on to you!Nov 18 02:18
_Goblinyep!Nov 18 02:18
_GoblinApparently being a son of one makes me guilty.Nov 18 02:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Nice to see *someone* in Microsoft actually THINKING - http://ur1.ca/5wnrcNov 18 02:19
_Goblinalthough I should hasten to add, haven't spoken to my father in about 3 months and Ive never asked if he's still in the masonsNov 18 02:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Kills Own Big Data Project In Favor of Open Source | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com .::. Size~: 54.96 KBNov 18 02:19
prurigro@cubecf1: so you're the one accused of treachery due to your freemason status?Nov 18 02:19
cubefc1uhhhNov 18 02:19
_GoblinI thought I wasNov 18 02:20
_Goblinaccording to Brandon I am.Nov 18 02:20
cubefc1I know next to nothing about itNov 18 02:20
cubefc1hence my questionsNov 18 02:20
_Goblinthats what you would say Nov 18 02:20
cubefc1lolNov 18 02:20
_Goblinif you really were in the masonsNov 18 02:20
_Goblinyep - youre one of them alright....Nov 18 02:21
sebsebseb_Goblin: ok I think Techbytes is going to have another listner :DNov 18 02:21
sebsebseb_Goblin: plus someone else is listening to my episode, unless he stoppedNov 18 02:21
_Goblingood effort.....Nov 18 02:21
_Goblincubefc1 will give the masons listening... ;)Nov 18 02:21
_Goblin*getNov 18 02:21
prurigroohNov 18 02:21
prurigrokkNov 18 02:21
_Goblinprurigro you a mason?Nov 18 02:22
XFaCEAll the cool kids are doing it!Nov 18 02:22
_Goblinyep we are all masonsNov 18 02:22
_GoblinGrand Master Goblin?Nov 18 02:23
prurigro_Goblin: haha nadda, a friend of mine was in the DeMolay thoughNov 18 02:23
_Goblinthat sounds like mason talk to meNov 18 02:23
prurigroso I got a bit of the edge of that worldNov 18 02:23
_Goblin;)Nov 18 02:23
prurigroseemed like a lotta volunteer workNov 18 02:23
_GoblinI love a little paranoid conspiracyNov 18 02:23
prurigrosurrounded by plots for world conquestNov 18 02:23
_Goblinof courseNov 18 02:23
prurigro:)Nov 18 02:23
_Goblinnatural progressionNov 18 02:23
_Goblinhelp the needy one day....Nov 18 02:24
_Goblinenslave the human race the nextNov 18 02:24
cubefc1MasonSoftNov 18 02:24
cubefc1watch out for itNov 18 02:24
_Goblinyep, although....talking of whichNov 18 02:24
_GoblinHeres Brandon's view on Microsoft:Nov 18 02:24
prurigronot to mention, events volunteered at such as the circus are actually a front, required to hide a ship the size of a football stadium from prying eyesNov 18 02:24
_GoblinQuote "Microsoft was far more dangerous with Bill Gates at the helm. Now Bill can be seen assisting the new world order by bringing poison vaccines and sterilization to third world countries. A far more critical goal since they can spy on everyone's computer without Windows thanks to social media, GPS and CELLular CONnecTIONs.Nov 18 02:25
_GoblinKeywords: CELL (dna), CON (priests), TION (Sion, Zion). "Nov 18 02:25
prurigrooh dear :(Nov 18 02:25
_GoblinI have an urge to enquire about the "CELLular" but I think I would regret delving deeper.Nov 18 02:25
_Goblinat least Brandon can't say he's not getting his message out in #techrights .... I'm doing it for himNov 18 02:26
prurigrowhat could you be plotting this time?Nov 18 02:28
prurigro!Nov 18 02:28
prurigroits interesting how he puts ideas togetherNov 18 02:30
prurigroascribing meaning to similarities between two ideas that aren't based on the ideas themselves, for example (like in CELLular)Nov 18 02:32
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prurigroI'm curious to talk to himNov 18 02:33
sebsebsebWho's prurigro ?Nov 18 02:34
prurigroyea!Nov 18 02:36
prurigroI wanna know tooNov 18 02:36
prurigronice to meet you sebsebseb, now lets solve this unsolved mysteryNov 18 02:37
prurigro@XFaCE: Ender's email is actually pretty reasonable, I mean, he explained himself in a friendly, rational way, and understood what happenedNov 18 02:42
XFaCEprurigro: Indeed, I have encountered his periods of reasonNov 18 02:43
prurigroXFaCE: you don't think the conspiracy stuff is just an outlet to let his imagination run wild?Nov 18 02:44
XFaCEprurigro: Well it could be, but as Deanna Troi once said, "There is nothing wrong with a healthy fantasy life as long as you don't let it take over."Nov 18 02:44
XFaCEbbzNov 18 02:44
XFaCE*bbsNov 18 02:45
prurigroXFaCE: yup, can't argue there-- and lmao Deanna TroiNov 18 02:47
cubezzzwe seem to be on a Star Trek NG motif tonight :)Nov 18 02:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] People on the telly in Britain 40 years ago were something. Nowadays they are nothing and they should remember it.Nov 18 02:49
prurigrowho else has been referenced?Nov 18 02:49
cubezzzwell Picard got mentionedNov 18 02:50
cubezzzI talked about NG VHS tapesNov 18 02:50
cubezzz_Goblin mentioned the STNG card gameNov 18 02:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Colour blind.Nov 18 02:52
_Goblindid I?Nov 18 02:55
prurigrohaha, I was trying to remember if it was today or yesterdayNov 18 02:55
_GoblinohNov 18 02:55
prurigrothat I noticed someone mention QNov 18 02:55
_GoblinsorryNov 18 02:55
prurigrotooNov 18 02:55
XFaCEprurigro: Sure that was meNov 18 02:57
_GoblinRight, time for bed.....Nov 18 03:06
_Goblinnight all...Nov 18 03:06
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prurigroXFaCE: nice =D Q was the best characterNov 18 03:08
XFaCEyeah :DNov 18 03:09
prurigrohttp://pastebin.com/WNaKP91ZNov 18 03:12
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DaemonFChttp://img573.imageshack.us/img573/9276/snapshot1k.pngNov 18 03:58
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XFaCEprurigro: Fascinating...Nov 18 04:08
XFaCEDaemonFC: B-b-b-b-bloated!Nov 18 04:08
*DaemonFC installs Windows 7 on XFaCE's computerNov 18 04:16
DaemonFCit's extremely streamlinedNov 18 04:16
DaemonFConly needs 2 GB of RAM, a dual core CPU, and a fast graphics cardNov 18 04:16
DaemonFC:)Nov 18 04:16
XFaCEToo late; I take the pain so you don't have to :PNov 18 04:16
XFaCEYep, still torturing myselfNov 18 04:17
XFaCEArch or Debian, until then, ShitenNov 18 04:17
DaemonFChttp://www.muktware.com/news/2964Nov 18 04:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Greg KH Is Not Happy With Gnome 3, Wants KDE 4. Ouch! | Muktware .::. Size~: 34.43 KBNov 18 04:19
DaemonFCFedora 16's KDE is faster than Kubuntu'sNov 18 04:19
DaemonFCprobably has to do with them building it against the Qt 4.8 RCNov 18 04:20
DaemonFChttp://www.muktware.com/news/2954Nov 18 04:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] RT @x11r5 @jpope Craving cherry coke for some brekky in a ring-sling. How's that not eye candy?Nov 18 04:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] !Mageia 2 Alpha 1 status update: http://ur1.ca/5wsjz http://ur1.ca/5wsk0 #MageiaNov 18 04:35
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sebsebseband there was this before that dent: http://identi.ca/notice/85428837Nov 18 04:38
TechrightsBot-tr@Sebastian (sebsebseb)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-11 04:09:38 UTC - Identi.ca: FrOSCon and OpenRheinRuhr: !Mageia on tour http://ur1.ca/5wryq #MageiaNov 18 04:38
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DaemonFChttp://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/archive/permalink/david_manning/Nov 18 05:36
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DaemonFCa classicNov 18 05:36
DaemonFChttp://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65056-FreeBSD-9.0-RC2-Arrives-Late-Pushes-Back-Final&p=239070#post239070Nov 18 05:47
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DaemonFChttp://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65056-FreeBSD-9.0-RC2-Arrives-Late-Pushes-Back-Final&p=239072#post239072Nov 18 06:00
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DaemonFC:)Nov 18 06:00
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XFaCElolNov 18 06:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Where's my surprised face again? Ah! There it is! http://ur1.ca/5wvaaNov 18 06:30
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azalynthis was linked here i think.. anyone read it? http://linuxfr.org/nodes/88229/comments/1291183Nov 18 06:46
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azalynthe tanenbaum interviewNov 18 06:46
azalyni wouldn't have expected someone intelligent like him to try and downplay linux's success, and trot out the usual "linux only took off because of the bsd lawsuit" bullshit..Nov 18 06:47
azalynsounds like tanenbaum has a serious case of sour grapes.Nov 18 06:48
XFaCEDaemonFC: Lol, OSSNov 18 06:53
XFaCENext time you want a sound api, try OSS.Nov 18 06:53
XFaCERemember, it's always 1998... in OSS-land.Nov 18 06:54
DaemonFCit's always 2000 in DRI 1 landNov 18 06:55
DaemonFC:)Nov 18 06:55
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MinceRapparently tanenbaum hasn't heard of kspliceNov 18 07:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Which Tech Companies Back SOPA ? http://ur1.ca/5wvjr #censorship #apple #microsoft #us #freedom #computerNov 18 07:12
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MinceRand he either lies or is grossly misinformed about the USL vs. BSDi lawsuitNov 18 07:18
MinceRhttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/USL_v._BSDiNov 18 07:18
TechrightsBot-trError processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 403 ForbiddenNov 18 07:18
MinceRalleging that it was only about the telephone numberNov 18 07:19
MinceRi don't see how this is supposed to score a point for *BSDNov 18 07:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Microsoft Kills Own Big Data Project In Favor of Open Source http://ur1.ca/5wnrc #microsoft #hadoop #foss #softwareNov 18 07:25
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MinceRhe has a really painful case of sour grapesNov 18 07:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Facebook reveals how and what it tracks http://ur1.ca/5wwqt #facebook #security #privacy #onlineNov 18 07:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Urmăresc #ILikeIT la #ProTV. Pentru @gbuhnici , "computer" = "PC cu Windows". Jalnic! #windows #fail #romaniaNov 18 07:47
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/85422086Nov 18 08:08
TechrightsBot-tr@Danny Piccirillo (dpic)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-11 23:56:52 UTC - Identi.ca: @ravenman Yes. Disappointing that this wasn't framed to explain the importance of free & federated network services. Centralization = dangerNov 18 08:08
schestowitzXFaCE: hiNov 18 08:08
XFaCEhiNov 18 08:08
schestowitzXFaCE: I was not ignoring you earlier, i had gone to sleep without saying soNov 18 08:08
schestowitzYears ago I'd say gnNov 18 08:08
XFaCEthat's ok, I should be asleep nowNov 18 08:09
schestowitzbut it seems spurious, I no longer do that, MinceR still doesNov 18 08:09
schestowitzI overslept one hourNov 18 08:09
schestowitztge radio kept playingNov 18 08:09
XFaCEGonna be a bear in the morningNov 18 08:09
XFaCEhappy happy manNov 18 08:09
schestowitzand when it's news it's like a form of hypnosisNov 18 08:09
schestowitz:-)Nov 18 08:09
schestowitzwee then..Nov 18 08:10
schestowitzwell thenNov 18 08:10
schestowitzoopsNov 18 08:10
XFaCEhey, do you have a linnk to an article about public patent distain?Nov 18 08:10
schestowitzit's in the front page AFAIKNov 18 08:10
XFaCEMy presentation is on Kodak, and Nov 18 08:10
schestowitzwhich someone has defaced alreadyNov 18 08:10
schestowitzeven with inane one linersNov 18 08:10
XFaCEthe wiki?Nov 18 08:10
schestowitznoNov 18 08:10
schestowitzblog comments, creature come from under the bridgeNov 18 08:11
schestowitzI just ignore those, I don't even read thatNov 18 08:11
schestowitzI have some posts todayNov 18 08:11
schestowitzSomeone from the US sent me material she thinks I should coverNov 18 08:11
schestowitzI'll try to find time for it, prolllly at the gmyNov 18 08:11
schestowitzgmyNov 18 08:11
schestowitza friend comes over larer, so busy day todayNov 18 08:11
schestowitz s/gmy/gym/Nov 18 08:13
XFaCEshe?Nov 18 08:13
XFaCEA female techrights contributor?Nov 18 08:14
schestowitzyes, the majority genderNov 18 08:14
schestowitzwe have women around the site tooNov 18 08:14
XFaCEschestowitz: You've gained more female fans than Rush!Nov 18 08:14
schestowitzDiablo-D3 et al. scare em out of IRCNov 18 08:14
schestowitzHehe. yeah.. I told my Lynsey :-)Nov 18 08:14
XFaCELeave it to me, my natural charm will rope them back in like bees to honeyNov 18 08:15
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2011/11/microsoft-hadoop-dryad/Nov 18 08:15
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schestowitzI knowNov 18 08:15
schestowitzwe had problems with sexism hereNov 18 08:15
schestowitzratherNov 18 08:15
schestowitzmacho behaviour, it drives them awayNov 18 08:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Greg KH Is Not Happy With Gnome 3, Wants KDE 4. Ouch! http://ur1.ca/5wyvg #kde #gnome #suseNov 18 09:00
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MinceRgeekingsNov 18 09:13
schestowitz0/Nov 18 09:14
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/839512Nov 18 09:36
TechrightsBot-tr@: Nov 18 09:36
schestowitz"Nov 18 09:36
schestowitzI don't understand why anyone would care about what a kernel hacker thinks about desktop environments (same goes for Linus).Nov 18 09:36
schestowitzAnyway, his major complaints against Gnome Shell can be fixed by using extensions (re: multi-workspace support, the auto-move-windows extension) or actually visiting the system settings (re: keybindings). The multi-monitor support gripe is valid, though.Nov 18 09:36
schestowitz"Nov 18 09:36
MinceRit's more easily fixed by switching to a sane DE or WM, thoughNov 18 09:38
MinceRinstead of using one against its current design principlesNov 18 09:38
prurigroschestowitz: haha, gnome3 is so full of controversyNov 18 09:38
schestowitzkde4 was tooNov 18 09:39
schestowitzbefore it became more like kde3Nov 18 09:39
prurigroI think you got it though MinceR, you don't like how something works, use something elseNov 18 09:39
prurigroschestowitz: is it more like kde3 these days? I haven't touched kde in years nowNov 18 09:40
schestowitzIt has been a slow news weekNov 18 09:40
schestowitzprurigro: kde4 has the same functionality as beforeNov 18 09:40
schestowitzanyway, the migration of some Novell (and Microsoft) lackey to KDE it not worthy newsNov 18 09:41
prurigroschestowitz: well I mean, the first couple years of kde4 it still felt like a bunch of parts attached to eachotherNov 18 09:43
prurigrorather than a unified whole ala kde3Nov 18 09:44
MinceRi mean i don't mind configuring the stuff i use but if it obviously wasn't designed to be configured or to be used flexibly and there are better options then it's not the way i'd goNov 18 09:44
MinceRwell, kde4 got more monolithic, unfortunatelyNov 18 09:44
MinceRfirst they merged the panel with the desktop, then the tray applets started depending on plasmaNov 18 09:45
MinceRi've heard rumors of merging plasma with kwinNov 18 09:45
MinceRwell, kwin already fails at rendering the background with compositing if plasma-desktop isn't runningNov 18 09:45
prurigrowhat are you referring to in terms of customization?Nov 18 09:45
MinceRwhat do you mean, examples of options?Nov 18 09:46
schestowitzI've heard of n such rumours. it would make no practical sense.Nov 18 09:46
MinceRthat doesn't stop anyone :>Nov 18 09:46
prurigroMinceR: you were talknig about not being designed to be configured or used flexibly?Nov 18 09:47
MinceRprurigro: i mean that gnome3 adopted the apple approach to thatNov 18 09:47
schestowitzyou can use plasma with openbpxNov 18 09:47
MinceR("it confuses the stupidest users, so we don't allow it"/"we have an infallible vision and we're going to force it on you")Nov 18 09:47
prurigroMinceR: its actually pretty configurable right down to the nuts and bolts level, but you have to have some idea what you're doingNov 18 09:48
prurigrothe fall update added quite a bit of additional functionality too, so I'd imagine their model starts by building a feature more hard coded, and then slowly opening things upNov 18 09:48
MinceRcan you configure what happens if you close the lid of the laptop?Nov 18 09:49
prurigrodefinitelyNov 18 09:49
MinceRthat's one of the things that were gone with gnome3Nov 18 09:49
prurigrowas one of the first things I didNov 18 09:49
prurigronadda, was there from the startNov 18 09:49
MinceRthat's not what others saidNov 18 09:49
prurigroI run arch, so I had it a couple days after launchNov 18 09:49
prurigroothers don't use dconf-editor to configure gnome3 maybe?Nov 18 09:50
MinceRpossibleNov 18 09:50
prurigroif you're a nub, gnome3 is pretty staticNov 18 09:50
MinceRconsidering that it's a desktop environment, one would expect a real configuration dialogNov 18 09:50
MinceRnot some sort of registry knockoffNov 18 09:50
MinceRthen there was the printer dialog issue, before gnome3Nov 18 09:51
MinceRwhich is what made Linus switch to KDE, iircNov 18 09:51
prurigroMinceR it is a real config dialog-- its just got a LOT of optionsNov 18 09:52
MinceRand it's hiddenNov 18 09:52
prurigroso they put the important ones in the big easy guiNov 18 09:52
MinceRand it's distinct from the one that isn't hiddenNov 18 09:52
MinceRso it's a real config dialog, except for that it isn'tNov 18 09:53
prurigroone gives you full control over your environment, and this can break things if you're fiddling around without knowing what you're doingNov 18 09:53
MinceRgnome used to be a lot more clueful than thisNov 18 09:53
MinceRback when they were copying kde, not macosNov 18 09:53
MinceRif changing such settings can break things then that DE is not ready for releaseNov 18 09:54
prurigrowell I mean, keep in mind that the update almost doubled the user friendly config dialogNov 18 09:54
MinceRcouldn't be a difficult featNov 18 09:54
prurigroMinceR: go to about:config in firefoxNov 18 09:54
prurigroyou can break things thereNov 18 09:54
MinceRfirefox tends to hide less important settings than thisNov 18 09:54
MinceRexcept for the idiotic URL trimming thingNov 18 09:55
prurigrowell that said, gnome 3's control panel spot has all the stuff people complained about it lacking for the first releaseNov 18 09:56
prurigroand they had told only the most advanced users to do the initial upgradeNov 18 09:56
MinceRcompare the preferences dialog in firefox to the preferences dialog in epiphanyNov 18 09:56
prurigroepiphany is useful for one reason imo, and this is testing webkit in linuxNov 18 09:56
prurigrowhen you're not in kdeNov 18 09:57
MinceRhopefully notNov 18 09:57
MinceRthey claim the new epiphany has site-specific browser functionalityNov 18 09:57
prurigrogo on?Nov 18 09:57
MinceRthat's about itNov 18 09:57
prurigrowhat do you mean by site specific?Nov 18 09:58
MinceRi mean a process and window is dedicated to a particular web application, (in some cases) allowing it to deliver desktop notifications as wellNov 18 09:58
prurigrooh, that's funNov 18 09:59
MinceRnot sure if epiphany will be able to do the notificationsNov 18 09:59
prurigrothough firefox and chrome are going in that direction too no?Nov 18 09:59
MinceRi think they areNov 18 09:59
prurigrotho epiphany would be more integrated I guessNov 18 09:59
MinceRchrome does have the feature already but i don't trust chromeNov 18 09:59
prurigrohaha yea, I know what you meanNov 18 09:59
MinceRfirefox seems to be dragging its feetNov 18 09:59
prurigroin what respect?Nov 18 09:59
MinceRthey used to have prism/webrunner, but it won't work on 64bitNov 18 10:00
prurigrowhat's this do?Nov 18 10:00
MinceRhowever they said something like they want to implement it in the main browser itselfNov 18 10:00
prurigrooh, like notification support?Nov 18 10:00
MinceRprism/webrunner did let a web app have a system tray appletNov 18 10:00
prurigrooh funNov 18 10:00
MinceRfirefox currently has "app tabs" which at least try to detect that something's going on in the web app, apparentlyNov 18 10:00
prurigrothey seem to be pushing the whole pin/unpin thing in both firefox and chromeNov 18 10:01
prurigroI'm guessing its easier to maintain since its in their closed systemNov 18 10:01
prurigroyeaNov 18 10:01
prurigroI've actually started using them recentlyNov 18 10:01
MinceRso this (horrible) webex connect thing can at least display i have new messagesNov 18 10:01
prurigroand they're pretty amazing minus a few weird refresh issues after a long time without visitingNov 18 10:01
MinceRwebex connect sucks horribly but i have to use it at workNov 18 10:01
prurigrowebex, hrm, yea, that jogs a memory cell as something in corporateNov 18 10:02
prurigroone cool thing about app tabs, on that noteNov 18 10:02
prurigrois you can have your grouped tabsNov 18 10:03
prurigroand swap between work flowsNov 18 10:03
prurigroyet the app tabs stay openNov 18 10:03
prurigrothough you can customize them betweenNov 18 10:03
prurigroif you wantNov 18 10:03
MinceRyes, they stay visible even if i have lots of tabsNov 18 10:03
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XFaCE30 min sleep, now!Nov 18 10:40
MinceRthough if it is as stable as the 3 webkit browsers i've tried recently it won't be much goodNov 18 10:45
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schestowitzI'm out of the house until about 3. E-mail me if you got some newsNov 18 11:12
prurigrolol, @XFaCE man, you were still up too?Nov 18 11:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] EU Adopts Resolution Against US Domain Seizures http://identi.ca/url/60408657Nov 18 14:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Occupy Cal: School-wide student strike at UC Berkeley http://identi.ca/url/60447943Nov 18 14:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Mayors and police around the US swapped #OWS strategies on conference calls http://identi.ca/url/60448135Nov 18 14:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Image of the day: 84-year-old woman hit with pepper spray, #Occupy Seattle http://identi.ca/url/60448149Nov 18 14:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Newly developed metallic "micro-lattice" material is world's lightest http://identi.ca/url/60448277 !scienceNov 18 14:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Tumblr's anti-censorship message generated 87,834 phone calls to representatives http://identi.ca/url/60448314Nov 18 14:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Teacher suspended after showing 'Daily Show' in class http://identi.ca/url/60448506Nov 18 14:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Under the Ice: Research Diving in Antarctica http://identi.ca/url/60448761 !scienceNov 18 14:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Congress vows to destroy the airline industry even more http://identi.ca/url/60449063Nov 18 14:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] International human rights community vs SOPA http://identi.ca/url/60449109Nov 18 14:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Romney and Ron Paul tied in Iowa Poll http://identi.ca/url/60449308Nov 18 14:49
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Diablo-D3and thereNov 18 14:53
Diablo-D3I have caught up on a few days of news.Nov 18 14:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Occupy: Cops block protesters on march over Charles River in Boston http://identi.ca/url/60449439Nov 18 14:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Microsoft Patent Aims To Curb Obnoxious Employee Behavior http://goo.gl/2WPZE really makes you want to work for them huh?Nov 18 15:02
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schestowitzHmm..Nov 18 15:04
schestowitzThis patent could be asserted against all MSFT employees :-)Nov 18 15:04
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schestowitzok, got many posts readyNov 18 15:21
schestowitzI'm back home from the gym. Saw Mark there,Nov 18 15:22
schestowitzbloody callbotaNov 18 15:28
schestowitzbloody callbotsNov 18 15:28
schestowitzphoneing and pretending insurancw runs out, then give option to opt out from this spamNov 18 15:28
schestowitz*phoning like any other dayNov 18 15:30
schestowitzno laws against this?Nov 18 15:30
schestowitzand when you opt out, it's optijg out from just one spammerNov 18 15:30
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schestowitz"That basically proves how this aproach to security is #fail" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/841721Nov 18 16:07
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Faither<schestowitz> "That basically proves how this aproach to security is #fail" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/841721Nov 18 16:41
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FaitherWindows is the most secure operating system, i's just the bad people who are looking for exploits that are bad xDNov 18 16:42
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FaitherIt even has secure boot as a feature! That says it all, it's secure!Nov 18 16:42
FaitherxDNov 18 16:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Thomas Edison was a thief and a murderer and invented nothing http://identi.ca/url/60452102 !scienceNov 18 16:49
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schestowitzIdentica is a stinkin' piece of garbageNov 18 16:49
schestowitzit doesn't share the posts that I put in via APINov 18 16:50
schestowitzhttp://joindiaspora.com/posts/841721Nov 18 16:50
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schestowitz"They shouldn't have angered the masses."Nov 18 16:50
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/85296133Nov 18 16:57
TechrightsBot-tr@satipera (satipera)'s status on Monday, 14-Nov-11 23:44:13 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Red Hat and Westford. Corporations wander around the world conducting tax auctions.Nov 18 16:57
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/85423832Nov 18 16:58
TechrightsBot-tr@satipera (satipera)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-11 01:08:29 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz A friend who I put on Linux sold her comp to her friend he is happy with it but wants to run g3 on it. Linux is the dogs bolloxNov 18 16:58
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kgroneman/status/136163348508180480Nov 18 16:58
TechrightsBot-tr@kgroneman: @schestowitz #SUSE products are now owned by SUSE, not #Novell Also, you obviously haven't seen the newest videos: http://t.co/6IEPWPdQNov 18 16:58
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XFaCEschestowitz: Tax autions?Nov 18 16:58
XFaCE*auctions?Nov 18 16:58
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Faither<CounterPillow> Microsoft got a patent for GPU-Acclerated compositing in a window manager, according to http://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-patent-gpu-acceleration-window-manager-windows-8,14025.htmlNov 18 17:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Patents GPU-accelerated Window Manager .::. Size~: 146.74 KBNov 18 17:02
Faitherfrom #kdeNov 18 17:02
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/85449844 http://identi.ca/notice/85450883 http://identi.ca/notice/85450885  http://identi.ca/notice/85450889 http://identi.ca/notice/85450893 http://identi.ca/notice/85450897Nov 18 17:03
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-11 16:05:21 UTC - Identi.ca: Apple- and Microsoft-backed Front Group Lobbies for Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) http://is.gd/0yOPUa  #bsa #sopaNov 18 17:03
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-11 16:54:12 UTC - Identi.ca: Defeats for Microsoft on the Web http://is.gd/ojiq7Z #microsoftNov 18 17:03
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-11 16:54:23 UTC - Identi.ca: Links – SOPA round up. http://is.gd/uqjA6f #techrightsNov 18 17:03
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-11 16:54:53 UTC - Identi.ca: 5 Years After Microsoft Deal #OpenSUSE Releases Hardly Celebrated http://is.gd/BRq6Kn #suseNov 18 17:03
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-11 16:55:02 UTC - Identi.ca: Microsoft ‘Secure Boot’ Cracked http://is.gd/bOgqPx #uefi #bios #linuxNov 18 17:03
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-11 16:55:17 UTC - Identi.ca: MOSAID, Microsoft, and Antitrust http://is.gd/9kEq2g #microsoft #antitrustNov 18 17:03
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: MOSAID, Microsoft, and Antitrust | Techrights .::. Size~: 87.02 KBNov 18 17:03
schestowitzhttp://www.legalbrief.co.za/article.php?story=20111118094200709Nov 18 17:10
schestowitzHeheNov 18 17:10
schestowitzunfortunate headlineNov 18 17:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Legalbrief - Court rejects infusion of ubuntu in contract law .::. Size~: 26.36 KBNov 18 17:10
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sebsebsebhiNov 18 17:29
XFaCEhiNov 18 17:29
XFaCEschestowitz: So based on what you've seen and read, what's the chances SOPA will be passed?Nov 18 17:30
schestowitzHaven't read enough on itNov 18 17:31
schestowitzBut these bills always passNov 18 17:32
schestowitzWell bribed forNov 18 17:32
schestowitzIf they need to rename them and try again, they willNov 18 17:32
schestowitzwatering down at worstNov 18 17:32
XFaCEwell, as the geist article indicates, it affects every country, because of the U.S.'s DNS controlNov 18 17:32
schestowitzBetter the US than ChinaNov 18 17:32
schestowitzI'd trust Belgium more, thoughNov 18 17:32
XFaCEI'd trust the Northwest Territories more at this pointNov 18 17:33
XFaCEschestowitz: Why belgium?Nov 18 17:33
schestowitzif you're against it, you're pro PIRATES :-)Nov 18 17:34
schestowitzSee what Carlin says about "pro-life"Nov 18 17:34
schestowitzpro-life before birthNov 18 17:35
schestowitzwhen you're born, your on your ownNov 18 17:35
schestowitzThey want you botn tosend touy to die in war over oil :-)Nov 18 17:35
XFaCEI'm a member of the Pirate Party, so we're way past that pointNov 18 17:35
XFaCEbbsNov 18 17:35
XFaCElunchNov 18 17:35
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nlightened1I just had to share thisNov 18 17:45
nlightened1https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2011-November/msg00002.htmlNov 18 17:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: New Foundation Members .::. Size~: 3.38 KBNov 18 17:45
*schestowitz looksNov 18 17:46
schestowitzDavid Nielsen , eh?Nov 18 17:48
schestowitzಠ_ಠNov 18 17:49
schestowitzaka "gnomeuser"Nov 18 17:49
schestowitzThe rest are fine thoughNov 18 17:49
schestowitzand there are many of emNov 18 17:49
schestowitzKaren is coolNov 18 17:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @jenssegers niet tweeten in de les!Nov 18 17:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the IRC channels nowNov 18 17:55
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schestowitzJust found out some hours ago that my cousin (my only male cousin) will start his PhD soon (in a US university)Nov 18 17:58
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAxNzMNov 18 18:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] Carmack's Reverse In Doom 3 Has Work-Around .::. Size~: 16.75 KBNov 18 18:00
DaemonFCYesterday Carmack had tweeted, "this demonstrates the idiocy of the patent -- the workaround added four lines of code and changed two." Nov 18 18:00
DaemonFClolNov 18 18:00
Aondoenjoyable :)Nov 18 18:00
DaemonFCapparently the troll in this case is CreativeNov 18 18:03
DaemonFCwhich likes to threaten to sue over people making their old hardware work in new versions of Windows that why don't want it to work in Nov 18 18:03
DaemonFCYou're supposed to say "Oh, no drivers. Have to buy a new sound card and printer again, lol. I love Windows."Nov 18 18:04
schestowitzShame he'll be so far with his wife and 2 kids, but probably good for his career (his employer pays for this).Nov 18 18:05
schestowitzTomorrow I meet my friend Mark and we'll do some things, then the rest of the day (after 12) should be clear :-) I can write loads of postsNov 18 18:05
DaemonFCUS businesses like lax foreign applications to US universitiesNov 18 18:07
DaemonFCthey can import them, educate them on how to compete with us, then have a bigger pool to outsource to laterNov 18 18:08
DaemonFCor for H1-B visasNov 18 18:08
DaemonFCthe people that get this kind of crap passed should be thrown into shark infested waters covered in chumNov 18 18:08
DaemonFCit's not the worst immigration policy we have I guessNov 18 18:10
DaemonFCimporting people who smuggle in meth while on welfare would cover that oneNov 18 18:10
DaemonFCyou always hear about how we'll deport criminals, so they can hop right back over the borderNov 18 18:11
DaemonFCsince they didn't care about our laws the first timeNov 18 18:11
DaemonFCwe should dump them in the middle of the Sonoran desert and tell them to march back to Mexico, and they only have to go half as far as they did while getting hereNov 18 18:12
DaemonFCthat would probably discourage this practice Nov 18 18:12
XFaCEschestowitz: Your life is just too perfect...Nov 18 18:17
digitteknohippiehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bDDUyJSQ9s Presentation of the FreedomBox from James Vasile   Nov 18 18:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: "..to be able to back-up, conserve or preserve a work. Circumvention of TPMs for these purposes should not be an infringement."Nov 18 18:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: YVR Archives: "If a work is protected by encryption or other TPMs it may be necessary to circumvent these measures in order.."Nov 18 18:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: The Daily Digital Lock Dissenter, Day 33: City of Vancouver Archives http://t.co/u2GcqIMKNov 18 18:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Op-Ed in @AJEnglish by @WLLegal on how #SOPA threatens legality of State Dept funded Internet Freedom programs https://eff.org/r.G7MNov 18 18:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: US State Department not for internet freedom  - Opinion - Al Jazeera English .::. Size~: 132.25 KBNov 18 18:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] blogged: Promotional Material and !Copyright ~ !C11 http://is.gd/8j4r61 !CDNpoli #promo #sharing #nomorefreepublicityNov 18 18:49
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schestowitz"Nov 18 18:50
schestowitz> I am reshuffling my Desktop Icons. Should I keep Identi.ca or delete?Nov 18 18:50
schestowitzIf you don't use it, then delete.Nov 18 18:50
schestowitz"Nov 18 18:50
schestowitzit's f*ed IMGONov 18 18:50
schestowitzfacebooked :-)Nov 18 18:52
XFaCEschestowitz: Traitor! CHAAAAAARGE!Nov 18 19:04
XFaCEbblNov 18 19:06
schestowitzheheNov 18 19:08
schestowitzGeez, I hate coding this stuff...Nov 18 19:08
schestowitzit taks ags to test any changesNov 18 19:08
schestowitz3 minutes on 8 coresNov 18 19:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Brandon Watts, who was first to pitch a tent at #OWS, is now the bloody face of 'Day of Action' http://identi.ca/url/60455282Nov 18 19:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Protester Brandon Watts, who was first to pitch a tent at Zuccotti Park, is now the bloody face of 'Day of Action' - NY Daily News .::. Size~: 146.64 KBNov 18 19:09
schestowitz> I had a birthday lunch with E at the club restaurant in his condoNov 18 19:10
schestowitz> yesterday; Betty joined us.Nov 18 19:10
schestowitz> Nov 18 19:10
schestowitz> Later we had coffee and dessert in his beautiful apartment. The ocean viewNov 18 19:10
schestowitz> is breathtaking, even to me a Floridian who has seen it all.Nov 18 19:10
schestowitz:-)Nov 18 19:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] A laptop is incredibly useful as an expensive remote control. I used to use mine to ssh into my media machine and start a movie.Nov 18 19:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is schestowitz with 32 dents!Nov 18 19:24
schestowitzYou know identica is kaput when most prolific is 32 in one dayNov 18 19:41
schestowitzmy best was around 330 in a dayNov 18 19:41
MinceRhttp://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/388846_2381769538225_1070293797_2594531_951972432_n.jpgNov 18 19:43
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DaemonFChttp://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65056-FreeBSD-9.0-RC2-Arrives-Late-Pushes-Back-Final&p=239173#post239173Nov 18 19:44
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DaemonFChttp://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65056-FreeBSD-9.0-RC2-Arrives-Late-Pushes-Back-Final&p=239174#post239174Nov 18 19:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: FreeBSD 9.0 RC2 Arrives Late, Pushes Back Final - Page 2 .::. Size~: 43.38 KBNov 18 19:49
DaemonFC:)Nov 18 19:49
DaemonFC"Edit: I should point out when I say obsolete that in some ways their base system is actually nice. But they wash their hands of all the problems in about 90% of user space that a desktop user will interact with by claiming "It's not part of the base system, don't blame us for anything it does"."Nov 18 19:51
MinceRso long as you don't actually use it for anything, it works fineNov 18 19:51
DaemonFCexactly!Nov 18 19:52
DaemonFCas long as you don't touch video cards, sound cards, wifi, or need a GUI, it's fabulous Nov 18 19:52
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/85452132Nov 18 19:53
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-11 17:44:21 UTC - Identi.ca: Links – Coordinated attacks against Occupy protests, SOPA, No Porno-Scan for EU.http://is.gd/jVfC8z  #techrightsNov 18 19:53
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schestowitzthis is famous https://joindiaspora.com/posts/843097Nov 18 19:54
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DaemonFCMinceR: You can even compile most of it with Clang and get half the performance of a GCC-produced binary!Nov 18 19:54
DaemonFCB-)Nov 18 19:54
DaemonFCfor whatever reason, you have to make a really contrived kernel or Clang won't compile it at allNov 18 19:54
DaemonFCthat's true of FreeBSD's kernel as well as LinuxNov 18 19:55
schestowitz"Cracked as in its ability to protect Windows from attacks has been shown to be inadequate. Not 'cracked' as in we can easily remove the restrictions and install GNU/Linux without problems." https://joindiaspora.com/posts/841721Nov 18 19:56
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DaemonFCthere's some cases where LLVM has been a godsend Nov 18 19:57
DaemonFCand then there's ClangNov 18 19:57
DaemonFCpoor ClangNov 18 19:57
DaemonFC:)Nov 18 19:57
DaemonFCironically, the best use case I've seen for LLVM doesn't work at all on a BSDNov 18 19:58
DaemonFCGallium3D uses it to compile optimized GL shaders on the flyNov 18 19:58
DaemonFCand in some cases it is nearly twice as fast as the old Mesa compiler they used to useNov 18 19:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @fsf This holiday season donate support to free software -- purchase an FSF membership for a friend. http://bit.ly/sWWPL0 !GNU !FSFNov 18 20:00
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DaemonFCThe level of Linux hate that brews in PC-BSD's forums is amusingNov 18 20:02
DaemonFCconsidering that FreeBSD (which they base on) does almost nothing well enough to useNov 18 20:02
eebrah<DaemonFC>The level of Linux hate that brews in PC-BSD's forums is amusingNov 18 20:02
schestowitzNot many releases from them recentlyNov 18 20:03
DaemonFC"LALALA OUR SYSTEM IS SUPERIOR? KMS? WHATS THAT? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!!!"Nov 18 20:03
schestowitzI guess Apple just uses their stuff sometimes... and they realise it's not quite helping the real devsNov 18 20:03
DaemonFC"YOU'RE BREAKING UP!!!! LALALA OUR STUFF IS FREEEEEEEEE!!!!"Nov 18 20:03
DaemonFCApple gives stuff back, occasionally, wrapped in their own licenseNov 18 20:04
DaemonFCFreeBSD can salvage some of it because they're not picky since their licensing terms are so non-existentNov 18 20:04
DaemonFCit fails to produce a workable system obviouslyNov 18 20:04
DaemonFCthey're left reduced to picking through Apple's garbage for new stuffNov 18 20:05
DaemonFCJust because Apple sometimes feels it's easier to "give back" because it's not important code and they don't want to pony up the dough to maintain it, is not a good argument in favor of the BSD licenseNov 18 20:06
MinceRm$ also uses their stuff sometimes, and gives nothing backNov 18 20:06
DaemonFCThe fact that Apple managed to make anything at all out of FreeBSD surprises meNov 18 20:07
DaemonFCI can't speak for how well a Mac works since my total experience with OS X since it has existed amounts to a couple of hoursNov 18 20:08
DaemonFCbut the news articles where Safari autoruns malware and Apple leaves 0days open for 9 months speaks for itselfNov 18 20:08
MinceRi haven't used the one i used for long, but i can tell you it sucks hardNov 18 20:08
MinceRi've also seen a fan use one and it sucked then as wellNov 18 20:08
MinceRseriously, how difficult must it be to develop a window manager that can maximize windows properly?Nov 18 20:09
DaemonFCvery difficultNov 18 20:09
MinceRor hire someone who knows how to do itNov 18 20:09
DaemonFCso difficult OpenBox can do it in 4 MB of binary codeNov 18 20:09
DaemonFCwith one developerNov 18 20:09
DaemonFCB-)Nov 18 20:09
MinceRso difficult dozens if not hundreds of people have done it in little wms they've made in their spare timeNov 18 20:09
DaemonFCrightNov 18 20:10
DaemonFCthere's dozens of good window managers for XNov 18 20:10
DaemonFCbut Apple managed to get away with spreading FUD about XNov 18 20:10
DaemonFCthen reimplementing most of its features privatelyNov 18 20:10
DaemonFCif they used X as the display server, it would make it easier to port software off of a MacNov 18 20:11
DaemonFCwhich is not their goalNov 18 20:11
DaemonFCinstead they run a rootless X server to make it easy to port things from free systems to the MacNov 18 20:11
MinceRit would also make their OS work betterNov 18 20:12
MinceRhell, they could have just taken GNU/Linux with some DE, put a new skin on it and sell their PCs with itNov 18 20:12
DaemonFChttp://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65056-FreeBSD-9.0-RC2-Arrives-Late-Pushes-Back-Final&p=239179#post239179Nov 18 20:14
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DaemonFCMinceR will like that oneNov 18 20:14
schestowitz"Gonna pre-like this post :) " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/843144  hehe, marvellous. <My reaction was the same initially.Nov 18 20:15
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schestowitzDaemonFC: Remember when phoronix covered solaris a lot?Nov 18 20:15
schestowitzIt even called the site Linux and Solaris reviews or something like thatNov 18 20:15
MinceR:DNov 18 20:15
schestowitzDiversifying with luv 3 unix and SunNov 18 20:16
DaemonFCeven Solaris is better than FreeBSDNov 18 20:16
DaemonFCin terms of usefulness Nov 18 20:16
schestowitzI hear it's really goodNov 18 20:16
DaemonFCnot freedomNov 18 20:16
schestowitzfor serversNov 18 20:16
schestowitzoracle brings some of its tools to LinuxNov 18 20:17
DaemonFCschestowitz: I ran OpenSolaris on my laptop for a whileNov 18 20:17
DaemonFCit is really fastNov 18 20:17
schestowitzit must need em for RHEL/UnbreakableNov 18 20:17
DaemonFCyeah, what will be interesting is how they release itNov 18 20:17
schestowitzI run Bug Bunny... it too was fast :-)Nov 18 20:17
schestowitzBTW, is Sonic being open-soruced?Nov 18 20:17
schestowitz*Bugs BunnyNov 18 20:17
DaemonFCI'm guessing a little GPL stub code for the kernelNov 18 20:17
schestowitzThere used to be some games along that themeNov 18 20:17
DaemonFCand a massive blob of goo for userspaceNov 18 20:17
schestowitzThere was one was a bunnyNov 18 20:17
schestowitznot BugsNov 18 20:17
schestowitzOn old PCsNov 18 20:18
schestowitzlike 95 ishNov 18 20:18
DaemonFCOracle doesn't want anyone else to have their toysNov 18 20:18
DaemonFCthey're another NvidiaNov 18 20:18
DaemonFCin that senseNov 18 20:18
schestowitzDaemonFC: valgrind?Nov 18 20:18
schestowitzdtrace?Nov 18 20:18
MinceRvalgrind isn't theirsNov 18 20:18
schestowitzI knowNov 18 20:18
DaemonFCI'm going to start referring to Apple's Public Source License as the Free Hugs LicenseNov 18 20:21
DaemonFC:)Nov 18 20:21
schestowitzFhugs?Nov 18 20:21
DaemonFCor the Face Hugger LicenseNov 18 20:22
DaemonFCthat would get the point through without linking to that picture each timeNov 18 20:22
schestowitzApple doesn't even hug themNov 18 20:22
schestowitzit screws them and leavesNov 18 20:22
DaemonFCyou've seen Alien?Nov 18 20:23
schestowitz"gotta wake up early to make some big money, you little devil you"Nov 18 20:23
DaemonFCthe thing waits for some clueless victimNov 18 20:23
DaemonFCjumps out of the eggNov 18 20:23
DaemonFClatches on to their faceNov 18 20:23
DaemonFCand implants an egg to gestate inside the hostNov 18 20:23
DaemonFCAppleNov 18 20:23
DaemonFC:)Nov 18 20:23
schestowitzApplienNov 18 20:23
schestowitzBut the good guys killed the bossNov 18 20:24
DaemonFCeventually, the chestburter pops out, kills the host, and there's your Apple softwareNov 18 20:24
schestowitzNice description, but it's actually Foxconn that makes itNov 18 20:24
DaemonFConly the host (BSD) lives long enough to tell the chest burster congratulations on the new productNov 18 20:24
schestowitzThink of a story of nets and cabinsNov 18 20:24
schestowitzcan't jump on beds (shared bunk), can just from roofs to netsNov 18 20:25
schestowitzApple might do a tout around the factory\Nov 18 20:25
schestowitzIt'll say the nets are "for exercise"Nov 18 20:25
DaemonFCApple is not symbiotic, they are parasitic Nov 18 20:25
schestowitz"We need MOAR exercise.. and hypePad"Nov 18 20:25
schestowitzDaemonFC:like the worm inside the applesNov 18 20:26
schestowitzBSD is the appleNov 18 20:26
schestowitzand KDE tooNov 18 20:26
schestowitz:-)Nov 18 20:26
DaemonFCif anything good comes out of Apple it was either convenient for Apple, a total mistake, or an effect of the GPLNov 18 20:26
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schestowitzHeheNov 18 20:29
schestowitzSo ryan, you were mentioned the other dayNov 18 20:30
schestowitzmotor mouthNov 18 20:30
schestowitzWhen I type a lot very quicklyNov 18 20:30
schestowitzand not quite stopping for a response in textNov 18 20:30
schestowitzThen it's called "pullung a daemon"Nov 18 20:30
schestowitzAnd it can be indicative of being hyperactive or having had too. Much. Coffee.Nov 18 20:30
DaemonFChttp://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65056-FreeBSD-9.0-RC2-Arrives-Late-Pushes-Back-Final&p=239191#post239191Nov 18 20:56
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LirodonI know you're probably going to freak, but I'm at least experimenting with opensuse 12.1Nov 18 21:00
schestowitzDaemonFC: jabba http://www.goldmansachs666.com/2011/11/fannie-freddie-ceo-income-debacle-and.htmlNov 18 21:00
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schestowitzLirodon: let us know how you get on..Nov 18 21:00
DaemonFC"What can I say about Clang? It likes to spit out code that is broken, slow,or doesn't do anything at all. It's the part of the LLVM project that rides the short bus. Ironically, the best thing I've seen LLVM doing only works on Linux. Gallium3D can optimize GL shaders with it. Since nothing on any BSD uses Gallium3D, you can forget bragging about it there."Nov 18 21:02
DaemonFCThat alone should get a rise from them ;)Nov 18 21:02
Lirodonactually, I'm trying my best to "avoid" the MS-tainted stuff, but 12.1 actually doesn't seem that badNov 18 21:03
Lirodonyast integrates somewhat well into gnone 3's lookNov 18 21:04
DaemonFCI mentioned the MS-RL license because it's a good licenseNov 18 21:05
DaemonFCnot that I like the name Microsoft anywhere in itNov 18 21:05
DaemonFC:PNov 18 21:05
DaemonFCthe MPL or CDDL accomplish more or less the same thingNov 18 21:05
LirodonI just couldn't stand UnityNov 18 21:05
schestowitz"Fuck Yeah! in your face shitsoft" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/841721Nov 18 21:07
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schestowitzI like unityNov 18 21:07
schestowitzI don't seem to like UnityNov 18 21:07
schestowitzBut haven't tried UnityNov 18 21:07
schestowitzUnity works wellNov 18 21:07
schestowitzPeople working togetherNov 18 21:08
schestowitzUnlike Canonical with its copyrightsNov 18 21:08
schestowitzUnix*tyNov 18 21:09
schestowitzUNI*ttyNov 18 21:09
LirodonI thought they switched to a more Apache-styled CLANov 18 21:09
schestowitzMaybe they have, after getting a lot of flakNov 18 21:10
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schestowitzhttp://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/linux-distributions/suse/1978-opensuse-121-has-been-released-screenshots-tourNov 18 21:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Have you ever benefited from CC-licensed creativity? Here's your chance to give back: http://ur1.ca/5iluhNov 18 21:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Fedora 16 #KDE – First Impressions http://is.gd/NDkfii "a 4.5+ year old Dell Inspiron 6400 with an Intel Core 2 Duo"Nov 18 21:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Almost definitely using the same script. By the way, you're now a modhelper.Nov 18 21:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !WineHQ - How long is it since Wine last updated Gecko? http://goo.gl/AIFI4Nov 18 21:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] RT @evan "like a person with no arms trying to punch themselves until their hands grow back." http://ur1.ca/5je92 Great quote #comic #de ...Nov 18 21:32
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DaemonFCif they want to get rid of the criticism, they should have FSF-style assignmentNov 18 21:35
DaemonFCwhere they revoke the assignment if they ever release any nonfree software with the codeNov 18 21:35
DaemonFCthe fact that why won't do that shows you what they plan to doNov 18 21:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Motorola welcomes Google slurp with open arms http://ur1.ca/5x8jz #androidNov 18 21:42
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/843636 Nov 18 21:43
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schestowitz"Motorola welcomes Google slurp with open arms"Nov 18 21:43
schestowitz"Nov 18 21:43
schestowitzThis tells me something. Microsoft and compliant hardware manufacturers preparing the way for more efficient levels of spyware accessibility, along with a the ability to continuously upgrade the quality of their spyware in BIOS firmware upgrades.Nov 18 21:43
schestowitzThis means the whole 'Restricted Boot' scenario has already been approved by govt., and we better get hacking quick.Nov 18 21:43
schestowitz"Nov 18 21:43
DaemonFCI haven't upgraded the BIOS in my motherboardNov 18 21:43
DaemonFCthere's an update available but it doesn't fix anything that concernsNov 18 21:44
DaemonFC*concerns meNov 18 21:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] mjg59 | Clarifying the "secure boot attack" http://goo.gl/xTNzHNov 18 21:44
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DaemonFCit adds support for newer processors than the one I haveNov 18 21:44
DaemonFCand fixes a bug that manifests itself on Windows XPNov 18 21:44
DaemonFC:)Nov 18 21:44
DaemonFCnot worth risking a bad flash overNov 18 21:44
DaemonFCif it came down to only being able to run Windows or Apple, I'd probably hold my nose and buy a MacNov 18 21:46
DaemonFCthat's mostly because the threat of using my choice of software seems to be more threatened by Windows 8 than OS XNov 18 21:46
MinceRuntil crApple catches up to the game, that isNov 18 21:47
MinceRseeing their past conduct, they're probably very eagerly waiting for pc users to be softened up for thisNov 18 21:47
DaemonFCyeah, they're emphasizing their own DRM store more and moreNov 18 21:47
DaemonFCbut nothing stops you from installing software locally yetNov 18 21:47
MinceRlet m$ take all the flak and then hello iOS on a PCNov 18 21:47
DaemonFCWindows 8 is ahead of them thereNov 18 21:47
DaemonFCMinceR: Could beNov 18 21:48
DaemonFCkey word there is "yet"Nov 18 21:48
MinceR:>Nov 18 21:48
DaemonFCMicrosoft will definitely interfere with your ability to install software they're not getting a cut ofNov 18 21:48
DaemonFCand Apple only probably willNov 18 21:48
DaemonFCthey took advantage of the fact that there were no established software companies for mobile operating systems that were used to distributing software to users directlyNov 18 21:49
DaemonFCneither of them have been able to entirely escape that on the desktops yetNov 18 21:49
DaemonFCthey use the word "security " a lot so users won't complain about their loss of freedomNov 18 21:51
DaemonFCthen quietly make the store pay to play where they get a 30% cut on all the software in itNov 18 21:51
DaemonFCif it was all about security and the user, we've had that kind of arrangement for a long time with Linux software repositories or BSD ports trees and whatnotNov 18 21:54
DaemonFCgoing back into the 80sNov 18 21:54
DaemonFCWhere was Microsoft's concern for the user then? :)Nov 18 21:54
schestowitz"http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/18/brin_wojcicki_grant_to_wikipedia/"Nov 18 21:54
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schestowitz"When Linus was asked if he preferred PCs or Macs he said he didn't care a long as it ran Linux. We tend to forget that the point of Unix was to make the OS independent of hardware." "We should focus more on substance and less on appearance, perhaps."Nov 18 21:54
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/844105Nov 18 21:54
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cubezzzin 1989 Sun had Open Look and HP had MotifNov 18 21:54
cubezzzMotif looked a lot nicer Nov 18 21:55
DaemonFCMotif was bloatedNov 18 21:56
cubezzzcompared to what?Nov 18 21:56
DaemonFCat the time, Windows' GUI was much more responsiveNov 18 21:56
DaemonFCeven on lesser hardwareNov 18 21:56
MinceRstrange, at the time when i used Red Hat 7, no DE or WM was as slow as winblows on the same hardwareNov 18 21:57
cubezzzso windows in 1989 would be...?Nov 18 21:57
MinceRwell, maybe SawfishNov 18 21:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Press release: With its stellar lineup, linux.conf.au 2012 #LCA2012 should be on your horizon! http://bit.ly/vhIKEENov 18 21:57
schestowitzcomparable h/w?Nov 18 21:57
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schestowitzcubezzz: hehNov 18 21:57
schestowitzhen was 1.0?Nov 18 21:57
DaemonFCThere were also better GUis of the time without considering Windows or AppleNov 18 21:58
DaemonFClike the AmigaNov 18 21:58
cubezzzyou're talking windows 2.1 Nov 18 21:58
schestowitzBallmer selling it like a car... Nov 18 21:58
schestowitz!google ballmer youtube windows 1.0Nov 18 21:58
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Ballmer sells windows1.0 - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DtGvHNNOLnCkNov 18 21:58
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Microsoft Windows 1.0 with Steve Ballmer (1986) - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DsforhbLiwLANov 18 21:58
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Steve Ballmer - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DkvbWLfr-Z4sNov 18 21:58
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Steve Ballmer Sells Windows 1.0 Remix - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DozTtfgEvskcNov 18 21:58
MinceRooh, tiled windowsNov 18 21:58
schestowitz1986Nov 18 21:58
MinceRhm, it actually had overlapping windowsNov 18 21:58
DaemonFCkwin has a tiled modeNov 18 21:58
cubezzzI'm sure Motif on a HP workstation was faster than windows 2.1 on a PCNov 18 21:59
DaemonFCI don't know who the user would be that switched that onNov 18 21:59
MinceRthere are fans of tiled wmsNov 18 21:59
MinceRnot me, thoughNov 18 21:59
cubezzzcan't compare cost.... probably under $5K for the HP at the timeNov 18 21:59
MinceRkwin used to support a lot of features from various wm-s -- perhaps they're after this goal againNov 18 21:59
cubezzzyou can say most operating systems are bloated, but there's a few exceptionsNov 18 22:00
DaemonFCSourceforge has turned into a dumping ground for "open source" Windows softwareNov 18 22:00
DaemonFCit's only looking slightly better than Microsoft Codeplex Nov 18 22:00
MinceRi've written one that's just two bytes in the boot sectorNov 18 22:00
MinceRthat one isn't bloated ;)Nov 18 22:01
schestowitzsourceforge hired former softiesNov 18 22:01
schestowitzand advertises with msftNov 18 22:01
schestowitzi consider google code to be more trusted than the staff from sf.netNov 18 22:01
cubezzzthe thing with FOSS is you have to actually look for it, it's not stuffed down your throat like proprietary software Nov 18 22:01
MinceRi have a lot of free software in the distro's repo :>Nov 18 22:02
schestowitzhttp://sourceforge.net/users/schestowitzNov 18 22:02
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DaemonFCcubezzz: LEAVE TRIAL NORTON ALONE!!!!Nov 18 22:02
DaemonFCIT PROTECTS ME!!!Nov 18 22:02
DaemonFC"Your subscription has lapsed for 2,758 days" Nov 18 22:02
DaemonFCOh....Nov 18 22:02
cubezzzI'll never use itNov 18 22:03
DaemonFCit's funny how many Windows users think they have antivirus because it "came with the computer"Nov 18 22:03
cubezzzthose norton ads are a jokeNov 18 22:03
DaemonFCthen it turned out it was a 30 day trial and hasn't done anything to protect them in monthsNov 18 22:03
cubezzzacademia used a lot of Sun workstationsNov 18 22:04
cubezzznot sure who was using the HP onesNov 18 22:04
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/85458708Nov 18 22:05
TechrightsBot-tr@Kevin Granade (kevingranade)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-11 21:58:16 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz based on the headline, I thought 'slurp' was yet another google network protocol.Nov 18 22:05
schestowitzsounds like Yahoo's slurpNov 18 22:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Microsoft Surface Beaten By 65 Inch !Android Tablet | Muktware http://goo.gl/GX7v4Nov 18 22:05
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cubezzzhere's a pic of what windows looked like in the 2.0 days:Nov 18 22:07
cubezzz http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c9/Windows_2.0.pngNov 18 22:07
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cubezzzmotif looked a lot better, believe meNov 18 22:07
cubezzz2.1 looked a bit better:Nov 18 22:08
cubezzzhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Windows_2.1.pngNov 18 22:08
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schestowitzewww.  cyanNov 18 22:09
schestowitzma eyes!Nov 18 22:09
cubezzzto be fair, one should compare HP's motif from 1989 to windows 2.1Nov 18 22:09
schestowitzit has a cock. wootNov 18 22:09
schestowitzkde4 has that tooNov 18 22:09
schestowitz*clockNov 18 22:09
schestowitznot cockNov 18 22:09
schestowitzit might also have a cock, but it's a typoNov 18 22:09
schestowitzand a cal... coo.. la... TORNov 18 22:10
schestowitzlookm at Control Panel with all those optionsNov 18 22:10
schestowitzit's like prehistorical puppy linuxNov 18 22:10
cubezzzI guess early HP-UX used motifNov 18 22:12
cubezzzon HP 9000 seriesNov 18 22:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] USB Stick Contains Dual-Core Computer, Turns Any Screen Into an !Android Station http://goo.gl/Ut7w4Nov 18 22:12
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cubezzzHP-UX 3.X in the 1989 eraNov 18 22:13
schestowitzhttp://www.develop-online.net/news/39158/Lawyers-advise-Carmack-to-rewrite-Doom-3-codeNov 18 22:15
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LirodonOkay, back home. But anyway: I go under one belief: if there's something about an OS that seems controversal, just uninstall it.Nov 18 22:16
Lirodonno one's forcing you to use banshee. no one's forcing you to use firefox. no one's forcing you to use Windows authenticationNov 18 22:16
cubezzzhow about the bios?Nov 18 22:17
cubezzznot a lot of choice thereNov 18 22:17
Faithersome mainboards are supported by core bootNov 18 22:18
MinceRLirodon: how about parts that the distro depends on?Nov 18 22:19
MinceRor its default desktop environment depends on?Nov 18 22:19
Lirodoncubezzz, that's why the good motherboards have 1000's of different settingsNov 18 22:20
cubezzzyes, but there's very few boards that really work well with core bootNov 18 22:20
cubezzzI've run it... I knowNov 18 22:20
LirodonMinceR, like what?Nov 18 22:20
cubezzzthe FSF guys got a few boards working 100%Nov 18 22:20
MinceRLirodon: like monoNov 18 22:20
LirodonI'm pretty sure you can rip out Banshee and use Rhythmbox - cause only ONE is the official music player of GnomeNov 18 22:20
MinceRsure, and you can also rip tomboy out... for nowNov 18 22:21
LirodonMinceR, I barely use that kind of notetakingNov 18 22:21
cubezzzLirodon, unless you're running an IBM XT, or AT or a motherboard coreboot actually works on, you are running a closed source biosNov 18 22:21
MinceRmeanwhile there's a cult of mono that's trying to sneak in more bits and pieces that depend on monoNov 18 22:21
LirodonI said the OS, not the computer itselfNov 18 22:21
cubezzzthe bios does tons of initialization so the OS can startNov 18 22:22
LirodonI look at mono as a novelty - sure, omg run C# programs on Linux! Why bother. Nov 18 22:22
MinceRit's a liability that some official elements of gnome depend onNov 18 22:22
Lirodonif I wanted to code programs on Linux like how I'd do on Windows ... I'd just go back to WindowsNov 18 22:23
MinceRone that was designed to be a software patent threat and an API control threatNov 18 22:23
LirodonVala is the best thing to have ever happened to gnome application developmentNov 18 22:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Not really. Please just silence obvious spammers -- not people who like a different distro than you. That's about it.Nov 18 22:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] is it just me or is xdg-open not behaving properly (i.e., the good ol' way it behaved under !fedora 15)Nov 18 22:24
cubezzzso Tyan S2881, s2882 or Gigabyte m57sli-s4, that's itNov 18 22:24
DaemonFCIran is laughing at us. Literally. Because the US promoted violent uprisings in corrupt oligarchies and theocracies that it doesn't like very much, but it's not too far fetched here now. (Because the United States has aspects of such systems) The Elites are calling the shots, and using organized religion, for total lack of a better way to put it, as "the opiate of the people"). "That's right, just keep bending over for us, sure it hurts, but Nov 18 22:24
DaemonFCJesus wants you not to resist us." :)Nov 18 22:24
cubezzzthose 3 have been well testedNov 18 22:24
DaemonFC-me in a email exchange with my dadNov 18 22:24
Lirodonand also seriously - porting Unity for opensuse. I think that's even MORE bonkers than mono Nov 18 22:24
Lirodoncause why would you want to use that crappy interface on anything other than UbuntuNov 18 22:25
Faitheri have heard of people who actually like itNov 18 22:26
DaemonFCResistance is futile. Oh wait, that's the Borg. I get them mixed up a lot.Nov 18 22:26
DaemonFC;)Nov 18 22:26
cubezzzhere's an example of a coreboot startup:Nov 18 22:26
LirodonI liked it on the previous one actuallyNov 18 22:26
Faitheralso it's all about choice and fredom threeofNov 18 22:26
LirodonUbuntu 11.10's version is just awfulNov 18 22:26
cubezzzhttp://maxhost.org/other/coreboot-serial-output.txtNov 18 22:26
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schestowitzMax HorstNov 18 22:27
DaemonFC"How is it that we have the authorities policing what TV show reruns we look at but ignoring mega-villains the like of Jack Welch?" -himNov 18 22:27
schestowitzLirodon: how so?Nov 18 22:27
DaemonFCBecause Jack Welch pays them more than you do.Nov 18 22:27
DaemonFCIf you win the lottery, you might have Obama grant you three wishes if you give him all your winnings. No wait, that's a genie. I get them mixed up a lot too, sorry.Nov 18 22:27
DaemonFC-meNov 18 22:27
Lirodonschestowitz I don't like how the Dash looks (all blurred/laggy)Nov 18 22:28
schestowitzuse kubuntuNov 18 22:28
schestowitz4.7Nov 18 22:28
LirodonGnome 3 is one of those "lesser of two evils" sort of desktopsNov 18 22:28
schestowitz.1 i thinkNov 18 22:28
Lirodonits still a divider, but its just a bit better to meNov 18 22:28
schestowitzOSuX gives no desktopsNov 18 22:28
schestowitzjust oneNov 18 22:28
schestowitzwindows will have that mtro tiles 7Nov 18 22:29
schestowitzor 8Nov 18 22:29
schestowitzvista with more messed up guiNov 18 22:29
cubezzzas you can see, a ton of stuff has to happen before you can even see anything on the screenNov 18 22:29
Lirodonschestowitz actually I thought OSX had multidesktopsNov 18 22:29
schestowitzanother DE?Nov 18 22:29
DaemonFClater on he talks about them threatening him over that Warehouse 13 episode he torrentedNov 18 22:29
Lirodonschestowitz oh waitNov 18 22:29
DaemonFCI replied Nov 18 22:29
DaemonFCYou know, on the same line here. You are PAYING for a Sci Fi channel subscription with your cable TV bill. How is torrenting an episode of one of their shows you missed different than putting it on your DVR?Nov 18 22:30
DaemonFCDidn't we have the "industry" try to make the same arguments abotu VCRs and lose?Nov 18 22:30
schestowitzit's just JOBOSNov 18 22:30
LirodonI thought you were talking about virtual workspacesNov 18 22:30
Lirodonhttp://screens.alternativeto.net/762aeab9-f4a0-4169-af7a-72c8ecd4c812_2_full.pngNov 18 22:30
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schestowitzapple rebrande those some years backNov 18 22:30
schestowitzand introduced that as a 'feeechure'Nov 18 22:30
Lirodonand technically, you CAN have different DE's on Windows in a wayNov 18 22:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: Speaking at #forumavignon Saturday AM on why supporting artists is about much more than http://p.ost.im/p/eSrDB4Nov 18 22:30
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Lirodonshell replacements?Nov 18 22:31
schestowitzLirodon: any decent one/s?Nov 18 22:31
schestowitzeven bsd has better onesNov 18 22:31
LirodonLiteStepNov 18 22:31
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Lirodonschestowitz and those fluxbox clones http://www.boxshots.org/screenies/5350.pngNov 18 22:32
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DaemonFCThe truth is that a lot of people don't care. Apple's iTunes DRM store has taken over the mindshare of the less technically literate. As long is it is around, a lot of them won't know about Bittorrent at all or will continue to mindlessly regurgitate industry propaganda about why sharing information and helping your friends is bad, wrong, illegal.Nov 18 22:32
DaemonFCPeople that do this near me are lucky I don't have Darth Vader's force choke, because there would be one less idiot spewing nonsense. ;)Nov 18 22:32
DaemonFC-meNov 18 22:32
schestowitzewww.Nov 18 22:33
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schestowitzwhat the heck was THAT?Nov 18 22:33
Lirodonbb4winNov 18 22:33
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DaemonFCyeah, I used that on XP at one pointNov 18 22:33
DaemonFCI almost never used Windows with Explorer as the shellNov 18 22:33
schestowitzLirodon: looks like some acadmic experimentNov 18 22:33
schestowitzblackbox?Nov 18 22:33
DaemonFCso crude, bloated, buggyNov 18 22:33
schestowitzI asked if Windows had decent shellsNov 18 22:34
schestowitzcause I'm not aware of anyNov 18 22:34
DaemonFCthere are a few decent shells for WindowsNov 18 22:34
schestowitzkde for windows is called offNov 18 22:34
DaemonFCnot many, but there are someNov 18 22:34
DaemonFCThere's LitestepNov 18 22:34
Lirodonschestowitz I've also seen a different file managerNov 18 22:34
schestowitzms used not to permit shellsNov 18 22:34
schestowitzin it's comes bs microsoft exhibitsNov 18 22:34
DaemonFCthat was a favorite of mine around the time I used Windows 9x/NT5 (2000)Nov 18 22:34
Lirodonschestowitz that's not permitting shells ... when its being a logo certified OEM and stuffNov 18 22:34
cubezzzwell I guess there's always reactosNov 18 22:34
DaemonFCLitestep is a very minimal shellNov 18 22:34
DaemonFCit uses far fewer resources than ExplorerNov 18 22:35
cubezzzif you want to experimentNov 18 22:35
DaemonFCit crashes a lot lessNov 18 22:35
DaemonFCit has fewer security problemsNov 18 22:35
Lirodonits more of a modular system with plugins and junkNov 18 22:35
DaemonFCand many more featuresNov 18 22:35
DaemonFCand iirc, it is GPL'dNov 18 22:35
DaemonFCyes, it has pluginsNov 18 22:35
DaemonFCyou can extend it Nov 18 22:35
DaemonFCif you can't do anything about Windows, you want to at least install a better shell and functional software to replace the useless crap it comes withNov 18 22:36
sebsebsebschestowitz: not much good  doing a dent about that Mageia event really, already did one of those last nightNov 18 22:36
sebsebsebschestowitz: you could re dent me about the delay of Mageia 2 alpha 1 though for  exampleNov 18 22:36
Lirodonand then if you want to ditch windows explorer http://www.alterion.us/a43/a43pic.htmlNov 18 22:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A43 .::. Size~: 0.41 KBNov 18 22:36
DaemonFCMozilla Firefox is the "ice water in hell" analogyNov 18 22:36
DaemonFCSafari is offering more Hell to a person in HellNov 18 22:37
DaemonFCYo dawg, I heard you liked Hell on Hell, so I got you some Safari for your WindowsNov 18 22:37
DaemonFCthere's not much software out there that succeeds in being even worse than its Microsoft counterpartNov 18 22:38
DaemonFCSafari managedNov 18 22:38
DaemonFC:)Nov 18 22:38
DaemonFCit's worse than IE 9Nov 18 22:38
DaemonFCbut just barelyNov 18 22:38
Faitheri've seen people having it installed on their pcs because tey installed itunes and just always click on the next button xDNov 18 22:38
Faitherno one I know ever used it under windows thoughNov 18 22:39
Lirodonsafari on Windows is a joke. why would you want to when Chrome is superiorNov 18 22:39
DaemonFChere, lets install Quicktime Trialware (the Pro version costs $40)Nov 18 22:39
DaemonFCiTunesNov 18 22:39
DaemonFCa buttload of non native UI toolkit librariesNov 18 22:39
DaemonFCsome system servicesNov 18 22:39
DaemonFCand a web browser you probably don't wantNov 18 22:39
DaemonFCB-)Nov 18 22:39
Lirodonmy school board windows deployment just uses K-Lite and MPCNov 18 22:40
DaemonFCnow if you can actually start Windows when we're done, we've done something hideously wrongNov 18 22:40
DaemonFC;)Nov 18 22:40
Faitheror the ask toolbar -.-Nov 18 22:40
FaitherI see it on pretty much every winbols installation -.-Nov 18 22:40
Faitherpeople don't read...Nov 18 22:40
Lirodonthey use 64-bit Windows 7. IE9, but with Firefox 4 alongside it (cause they're afraid to admit its superior)Nov 18 22:40
Faitheryou can tell them they are selling their souls and they'll still just klick next and acceptNov 18 22:41
Faitherwhy FF4?Nov 18 22:41
FaitherIf you upgrade to the cycle keep running alongNov 18 22:41
Lirodonthat was the version it was at when they built the imagesNov 18 22:41
Faitheror use 3.6xNov 18 22:41
Lirodonand websense wrecks the update systemNov 18 22:42
Lirodoncause it hijacks the https certificatesNov 18 22:42
Lirodonthis is one of those enterprise problems the devs (who don't seem to care about implementing anything major in Firefox 4.0.6Nov 18 22:43
Lirodonhaven't quite settled on yetNov 18 22:43
DaemonFCas soon as this metal platform is done upgradingNov 18 22:44
DaemonFCI'm going to send all my forces on a suicide missionNov 18 22:44
Lirodonis vmware considered evil here?Nov 18 22:44
DaemonFCto smash another player's metal platform so I can have enough resources to start the level 5 upgrade for my command centerNov 18 22:44
Lirodoncause I know they use vCenter for virtualization a lot thereNov 18 22:44
Faitherbecause it's not meant to be used any more as it's the first release in the new release cycle?!Nov 18 22:44
DaemonFCB-)Nov 18 22:44
DaemonFCstrategyNov 18 22:45
Faither-.-'Nov 18 22:45
DaemonFCit doesn't involve sending your forces to their deaths for no objectiveNov 18 22:45
DaemonFCit does involve minimizing losses while maximizing damage inflicted on the enemy B-)Nov 18 22:45
DaemonFCI've developed a supply raid tactic that works well enoughNov 18 22:46
DaemonFCbunch of rocket buggiesNov 18 22:47
DaemonFCsend them after a resource platformNov 18 22:47
DaemonFCthey'll be destroyed but not until they've all launched their first salvo of rockets at the platform, destroying itNov 18 22:47
DaemonFCbonus, they're cheap ;)Nov 18 22:47
DaemonFCif you keep hitting other players like that, you'll never be low on resourcesNov 18 22:48
DaemonFCwhile they end up having to pay money via facebook credits to replace the reserves you have stolen B-)Nov 18 22:48
DaemonFCI manage to get away with playing the game for free because I'm more of a bastard than most peopleNov 18 22:48
DaemonFCthough I made a minor miscalculation earlier and ended up not quite destroying a metal platform, so I ended up deciding to send in some drones knowing a lot of them would be shot down, to finish itNov 18 22:49
DaemonFCI still ended up ahead :DNov 18 22:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jrepin/@jrepin] RT @fsf This holiday season donate support to free software -- purchase an FSF membership for a friend. http://bit.ly/sWWPL0 !GNU !FSFNov 18 23:09
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/844105Nov 18 23:15
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schestowitz"The decline in Linux users downloading from SF could be because most distributions already deliver what the vast majority of users need. I very rarely have to download anything from external sources as (almost) up-to-date versions are mostly in the repositories already."Nov 18 23:15
schestowitz"I think design is substance to many people. We need both."Nov 18 23:15
schestowitzState orders Goldman Sachs to repay investors for misleading sales tactics http://is.gd/V9PtFF #banking #fraudNov 18 23:16
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/85456801Nov 18 23:18
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-11 21:00:29 UTC - Identi.ca: Middle-class areas shrink as America divides into 'two-tiered society' of rich and poor http://is.gd/vR7x0m #economy #usNov 18 23:18
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/85457019  http://identi.ca/notice/85457430 http://identi.ca/notice/85457880 http://identi.ca/notice/85458027 http://identi.ca/notice/85458065 http://identi.ca/notice/85458332Nov 18 23:18
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-11 21:05:08 UTC - Identi.ca: Attacks on secure boot http://ur1.ca/5w9fw #microsoft #uefi #win8 #vapourwareNov 18 23:18
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-11 21:19:21 UTC - Identi.ca: #Fedora 16 #KDE – First Impressions http://is.gd/NDkfii "a 4.5+ year old Dell Inspiron 6400 with an Intel Core 2 Duo"Nov 18 23:18
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-11 21:31:02 UTC - Identi.ca: FrOSCon and OpenRheinRuhr: #Mageia on tour http://ur1.ca/5wryq #mandrivaNov 18 23:19
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-11 21:34:06 UTC - Identi.ca: #RedHat Enterprise Virtualization 3.0 Beta Available http://ur1.ca/5x8el #vmNov 18 23:19
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-11 21:35:14 UTC - Identi.ca: "You would not have shown your face at, say, ApacheCon, with a MacBook." http://ur1.ca/5x8fi #windows #linuxNov 18 23:19
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: SourceForge.net: The OS Wars: We Have A Winner .::. Size~: 39.55 KBNov 18 23:19
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-11 21:45:40 UTC - Identi.ca: While #Microsoft spends millions/billions on PR agencies that vanda^Hedit #wikipedia re Microsoft, #Google does right http://is.gd/83KbnaNov 18 23:19
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Google's Brin and wife plop half-million into Wikipedia's hat • The Register .::. Size~: 26.73 KBNov 18 23:19
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/85458215Nov 18 23:19
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-11 21:40:56 UTC - Identi.ca: #Motorola welcomes Google slurp with open arms http://ur1.ca/5x8jz #androidNov 18 23:19
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MinceRyay for "statistics" where the "Other" column sometimes has the greatest shareNov 18 23:23
MinceR"geek"netters should be more careful when bending over backwards to prop up their sugar daddy m$, they might accidentally snap all of their bonesNov 18 23:24
MinceR(not the spine, though)Nov 18 23:24
schestowitzthey're already spineless?Nov 18 23:28
MinceRapparentlyNov 18 23:28
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/community/node/79179Nov 18 23:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Open Source Fact and Fiction: Barnes & Noble Blows The Lid Off Microsoft's Android Patent Squeeze .::. Size~: 88.64 KBNov 18 23:30
schestowitzMinceR: sheep have spinesNov 18 23:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Fair use victory in Righthaven case! Newspaper publisher caves, agrees article excerpts do not infringe copyright https://eff.org/r.5GPNov 18 23:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Richard Branson: "Capitalism has lost its way." http://identi.ca/url/60466182Nov 18 23:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Iraq war veteran Kayvan Sabehgi beaten by police at #Occupy Oakland, left with lacerated spleenNov 18 23:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Pakistan telecom censors ban 1,500 words that must not be texted http://identi.ca/url/60466212Nov 18 23:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Righthaven Case Ends in Victory for Fair Use | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 20.64 KBNov 18 23:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Richard Branson: "Capitalism has lost its way." - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 24.88 KBNov 18 23:51
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