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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Back to Rowing #rowing #sportNov 19 00:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ODAY I began preparing for a rowing competition like those which I have not paricupated in for years. This one will be 19 00:15
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schestowitzc "Design is abstract by definition; therefore, not substantial."Nov 19 00:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @julian_dunn Now that's what I call citizen journalism: trial notes from !freebyron checked into @github, by @ch402 19 00:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] will do :)Nov 19 00:27
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schestowitz 19 00:28
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-11 00:05:56 UTC - Expression With Keyboards, Voice, and Physical/Frontal Interaction not written so clearly, but there 19 00:28
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-11 00:24:57 UTC - Making Spirals in Octave/MATLAB #math #programmingNov 19 00:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ccasionally, in numerical programming, one may wish to plot or instantiate a grid of a circular (or spiral) nature. Her 19 00:32
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MinceRgnNov 19 00:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Current Members! Join Staff Attorney @JulieSamuels Monday night at EFF's Speakeasy meetup in Chicago! 19 00:35
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DaemonFC"If there's a jesus, I hope it's not Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter's Jesus. The one that wants them to not pay any taxes and wants you to keep dying for them in oil wars. Oh, and this Jesus is an American and only cares about Americans. And not all Americans, just the ones that believe the right to life begins at conception and ends at birth and that we can trash the planet all we want because Jesus will save some Americans before it starts to Nov 19 00:43
DaemonFCroast. :)"Nov 19 00:43
DaemonFC-meNov 19 00:43
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schestowitz"I went to see the price of these $159.99 I lol'd hard and said no way. Apparently I heard as time goes on these will become super cheap." "Wow, this was really educating. Definitely the most usefully spent 1.5 hours of my day :)"Nov 19 00:47
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schestowitz "What? Saw U there on Thur."Nov 19 00:48
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schestowitzforrgt a slash or is it a recommendation?Nov 19 00:56
cubezzzbothNov 19 00:58
schestowitzCool :0-)Nov 19 01:00
cubezzzok, I think I've managed to get a decent screenshotNov 19 01:02
DaemonFCschestowitz: What's wrong with me having a Jabba cat?Nov 19 01:03
DaemonFCyou posted a link to this and said something about my Jabba catNov 19 01:03
DaemonFC 19 01:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 18/11/2011: Android/Google Support at Motorola !techrightsNov 19 01:04
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cubezzznice and simpleNov 19 01:04
DaemonFCMy Jabba cat is more useful than Steve Ballmer and doesn't anyoneNov 19 01:04
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 01:04
cubezzz 19 01:04
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DaemonFChe's at least neutral to the worldNov 19 01:04
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cubezzzI've resolved the ebook problem Nov 19 01:09
schestowitzHi _GoblinNov 19 01:09
schestowitzgood morningNov 19 01:09
cubezzzI underestimated how much hackers hate DRMNov 19 01:09
schestowitzI was just about to kick off my backup scripts and hit the bedNov 19 01:10
_Goblin:)Nov 19 01:11
cubezzzit seems each ebook manufacturer has their own pet formatNov 19 01:11
cubezzzbut there's anti-DRM utilities for all of themNov 19 01:11
schestowitz "Nice :D"Nov 19 01:12
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schestowitzdiaspora is fuh... my main place to post these daysNov 19 01:12
cubezzzI wonder if bing archived my ms_dirtytricks.txt fileNov 19 01:13
schestowitzbackup intiated. gnNov 19 01:13
cubezzzlol, they didNov 19 01:15
cubezzzmy favourite part:Nov 19 01:16
cubezzzOdd how Bill Gates doesn't really like to tell the side of the story where he stole PDP-10Nov 19 01:17
cubezzztime from a Seattle company (which went out of business), one of the Universities inNov 19 01:17
cubezzzSeattle (which kicked him and Paul Allen out when they found out about it), and evenNov 19 01:17
cubezzzHarvard University.Nov 19 01:17
cubezzzYes, the PDP-10 time used to run 8080 simulators. Used to write that initial BasicNov 19 01:17
cubezzzinterpreter ... stolen.Nov 19 01:17
cubezzzPot. Kettle. BlackNov 19 01:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] db got borked, mattl is gone and the only one who can fix it :/Nov 19 01:22
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DaemonFC  Nov 19 01:48
DaemonFCWhy We Can't Comment on Bradley ManningNov 19 01:48
DaemonFCThank you for signing the petition "Free PFC Bradley Manning, the accused WikiLeaks whistleblower." We appreciate your participation in the We the People platform on 19 01:48
DaemonFCThe We the People Terms of Participation explain that "the White House may decline to address certain procurement, law enforcement, adjudicatory, or similar matters properly within the jurisdiction of federal departments or agencies, federal courts, or state and local government." The military justice system is charged with enforcing the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Accordingly, the White House declines to comment on the specific case raised Nov 19 01:48
DaemonFCin this petition.Nov 19 01:48
DaemonFCHere's one that would get a No Comment from jonoNov 19 01:51
DaemonFC 19 01:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Bringing The PackageKit Interface To Ubuntu .::. Size~: 63.06 KBNov 19 01:51
cubefc1the truth is, the core of all these DE's is really xlibNov 19 02:02
cubefc1learn all the xlib stuff, and you can make your own DE that does what you wantNov 19 02:02
cubefc1e.g. instead of looking at ksnapshot, it's good enough to understand xwdNov 19 02:03
cubefc1better evenNov 19 02:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] So much for Whitehouse program - refuses to comment on UN special rapporteur for torture to visit to Bradley Manning 19 02:12
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DaemonFCrightNov 19 02:18
DaemonFCGTK and Qt and the other toolkits are basically just pretty frontends to xlibNov 19 02:18
DaemonFCthat's changing thoughNov 19 02:18
DaemonFCa lot of them are becoming more backend-independent Nov 19 02:19
DaemonFCso they can work where you don't run an X serverNov 19 02:19
DaemonFClike on Windows or OS X or the upcoming WaylandNov 19 02:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Why Should We Trust W. H. Dean?: #plr #privatelabelrights #wikiscrape #amwriting #publishing #amazon #scamNov 19 02:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] old school option helps w/ superior interface.Nov 19 02:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] I questioned why he was writing old english but pinning it to beowulf is #impressiveNov 19 02:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] oh yea, the ticket to Austin has just been purchased.Nov 19 02:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] /me grabs his copy of beowulfNov 19 02:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] how does one resize a frame in stumpwm?Nov 19 03:04
DaemonFC 19 04:13
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B|`endanprobably would have been stronger to focus around the lock-in stuff he didNov 19 05:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Oh !Canada blogged: The Emperor Has No Clothes ~ !FreeByron !CDNpoliNov 19 07:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] In any Windows incarnation, the setting I'm looking for tends to be in an "advanced" menu, sometimes reinforced with an "advanced" tab.Nov 19 07:19
schestowitz 19 07:52
TechrightsBot-tr@NavinChauhan: @schestowitz thanks for sharing .octave looks like an interesting language.Nov 19 07:52
schestowitz 19 07:55
schestowitz"Funny true story: When young and working with a group of other young Native American shaman apprentices one sad to me that he'd meet me on the the corner of West Broadway and Canal St., NYC on Thur. at 2:00P. I was there on Thur. and no show. I went back every Thur. at 2:00 for weeks, knowing time was not linear. Then stopped, and that next Thur. there was a knock on the door, opening it my apprentice friend stood there laughing, Nov 19 07:55
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schestowitzwhere were you, you didn't show up."Nov 19 07:55
schestowitz 19 08:03
TechrightsBot-tr@mgeist: Universal Music Sues Insurer To Pay For Its Copyright Infringement from Canadian copyright class action suit 19 08:03
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TechrightsBot-tr@zoobab: @MicrosoftIP Evaluating Software Innovation by the number of patents is plain wrongNov 19 08:10
schestowitz 19 08:15
TechrightsBot-tr@rcweir: My Kindle Fire arrived today. Small, but man that is one heavy tablet. The size of a small paperback, the weight of dictionary.Nov 19 08:15
schestowitz 19 08:23
TechrightsBot-tr@FFII: @jerezim Thanks for rt. In the ACTA text 'corruption' of foreign govs is called 'technical assistance' and 'capacity building'Nov 19 08:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] FPDF - Free Portable Document Format - PHP Library (PHP -> PDF) Generate PDF files for FREE #pdf #freedom #phpNov 19 08:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] LiveUSB Install – Not Just Another Live USB Creator for #Linux #usb #gnu #ubuntuNov 19 08:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Introduction to LaTeX on Linux #gnu #linux #latex #newbieNov 19 08:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Using a Simple Firewall in CentOS 6 #gnu #linux #centos #software #security #firewallNov 19 08:31
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schestowitz[01:48] <DaemonFC> Thank you for signing the petition "Free PFC Bradley Manning, the accused WikiLeaks whistleblower."Nov 19 08:31
schestowitz"It's nit ma DEPARTMENT"Nov 19 08:31
schestowitzWhat a joke that site is... pretending the White House listens to people, not corporationsNov 19 08:32
schestowitzone petition with 50k signers=one lobbyist?Nov 19 08:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] An Easier Way to Generate A Public/Private SSH Key Via a GUI #gnu #linux #key #sshNov 19 08:34
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schestowitz"Nov 19 08:35
schestowitzVery regrettably, due to a lack of volunteers, new non-GNU projectNov 19 08:35
schestowitzsubmissions are no longer accepted on Savannah, as ofNov 19 08:35
schestowitz9 November 2011. If active volunteers come forward, SavannahNov 19 08:35
schestowitzwill be re-opened. Nov 19 08:35
schestowitz"Nov 19 08:35
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: News: new project submissions disabled [Savannah] .::. Size~: 17.83 KBNov 19 08:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Install nomachine in RHEL/centos/Fedora #redhat #centos #fedora #nomachineNov 19 08:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Doom 3 open-sourcing held up while Carmack writes new code #doom3 #game #gnu #linuxNov 19 08:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Red Hat Veteran Putting Eucalyptus on the Open Source Path #redhat #eucalyptus #gnu #linux #softwareNov 19 08:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] First impressions of the Fedora 16 GNOME 3 Live CD #fedora #software #redhat #gnu #linuxNov 19 08:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] EU Adopts Resolution Against US Domain Seizures #eu #internet #freedomNov 19 08:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Clegg orders fresh review of UK extradition treaty - about timeNov 19 10:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] World's largest 3D painting creates nifty optical illusion - isn't that just splendid?Nov 19 10:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] When Whales Walked in Egypt - fab headline, marvellous illustration #evolutionNov 19 10:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] (more) 3D street art around the world - in pictures - these really are v clever (v @janetedavis)Nov 19 10:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Microsoft Surface Beaten By 65 Inch #Android Tablet - oh, poor little plucky #Microsoft, stuffed again...Nov 19 11:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] off today to a new hacker space here in Belgrade. hope to meet and hack with some of the city's best and brightest f/oss personalities.Nov 19 11:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] there's a reason we did not use a spacial metaphore for activities ;) i suggest not thinking in terms of spatial coordinates for activities.Nov 19 11:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU comes clean on phosphates ban in detergents - long overdue #environmentNov 19 11:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Barnes & Noble Lawyers Up Some More, Finds More Prior Art - typically thorough stuff from #groklawNov 19 11:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [avignon] Day 2, Debate: “IP is a universal value” - the arrogance & ignorance of the 1% here is staggeringNov 19 11:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Swedish Study Shows File Sharing And Music Buying Go Hand-In-Hand - yet another study confirming this link #spotifyNov 19 11:52
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oiaohmThis is very interesting 19 12:24
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MinceRgeekingsNov 19 12:33
oiaohmHi MinceRNov 19 12:35
oiaohmseen the Cotton Candy prototype?  MinceRNov 19 12:36
MinceRi've just loaded that linkNov 19 12:36
oiaohmI have emailed them a few questions.  MinceRNov 19 12:36
MinceRinteresting stuffNov 19 12:37
oiaohmMinceR: This is approving temp insanty. 19 12:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] terrific entry-level introduction to getting started with KDE development: 19 12:39
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oiaohmDaemonFC: I am not that impressed by that.Nov 19 12:54
oiaohmIts another case of be incompadible because we can be.Nov 19 12:54
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DaemonFC[QUOTE]fsck tool is old-fashioned. An advanced filesystem should repair any damage as it is detected, like ZFS does.[/QUOTE]Nov 19 13:17
DaemonFCWhich is a gross misunderstanding of the situation. :) There's actually no reliable way to automatically repair a file system while it's online, much less without asking the user what to do and merely assuming a set of defaults which is likely to destroy data behind his back. Snapshots kind of remedy this problem, but only if you use them and only if the file system is actually in a state for you to mount and do anything with at all. fsck isn't Nov 19 13:17
DaemonFCoutdated, ZFS is being stupid. :)Nov 19 13:17
DaemonFCafter the quote is my responseNov 19 13:17
oiaohmReally not so DaemonFC.  ZFS design is very solid\Nov 19 13:21
oiaohmZFS in case of too many detected failures will refuse to go read write until they are fixedNov 19 13:22
oiaohmThing is ZFS does not have to go off line fully to run a repair. Nov 19 13:22
oiaohmIe filesystem in read only to application should be able to be running l ike a fdisk repair at the same time.Nov 19 13:23
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: FreeBSD 9.0 RC2 Arrives Late, Pushes Back Final - Page 2 .::. Size~: 90 KBNov 19 13:29
DaemonFC"Sledgehammers are cool. You won't get any argument from me that sledgehammers are needed and in some cases the only thing that works. FreeBSD is a sledgehammer. Linux is any kind of hammer you want it to be. If you insist on something that can only function as a sledgehammer, I sincerely hope you never have to hang pictures with it." -meNov 19 13:29
sebsebsebDaemonFC: What would you rather buy a PC with Windows 7 or a Mac with OS X?Nov 19 13:34
sebsebsebsame question to anyone else here who wants to answer thatNov 19 13:34
DaemonFCWould I rather have my skin burned off or my eyes gouged out with a fork?Nov 19 13:35
DaemonFCI love choices.Nov 19 13:35
B|`endanits amusing that you specifically dont call the mac a pcNov 19 13:36
sebsebsebB|`endan: well yeah Macs' are also PC's as well really I knowNov 19 13:36
digitteknohippiehrmm, which pc has the better hardware?  i'd be wiping it either way.  oh wait... buy...  neither.  pointless tax.  i misread, i thought they were being offered for free.Nov 19 13:36
DaemonFCthey're a really weird PCNov 19 13:36
DaemonFCwith EFI violating firmwareNov 19 13:36
DaemonFCwhich is hard to upgrade in most cases without driving to an Apple store 300 miles away and paying them to put in more RAM for youNov 19 13:37
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 13:37
DaemonFCand really expensiveNov 19 13:37
B|`endanand designed from the ground up to control youNov 19 13:37
sebsebsebdigitteknohippie: yeah Macs's have the better hardware really I guess? or do they? ,but either way can put Linux on there as wellNov 19 13:37
B|`endanis it even possible to open them up without an angle grinder?Nov 19 13:37
DaemonFCI'd rather buy a Windows PC and overwrite Windows with a Linux distribution, if only because the Microsoft markup is less obscene than the Apple markupNov 19 13:37
B|`endanbetter than what?Nov 19 13:37
DaemonFCand the hardware on the PC is likely betterNov 19 13:37
DaemonFCif you're asking which way I'd rather get to Linux if Microsoft Windows PC or Mac OS PC were my only optionsNov 19 13:38
B|`endanid be to embarrassed to be seen with a mac so id go for the regular oneNov 19 13:38
DaemonFCI already told someone that I would take a Mac, if they gave me one for free/cheap, because there's a decent chance Linux would run on itNov 19 13:39
DaemonFCthey hate when you say thatNov 19 13:39
sebsebsebWindows yeah yeah done lots of stuff with that of course,  Linux distros yep  used quite a few, but Mac OS X wellNov 19 13:39
digitteknohippieit'd rly depend on the specifics.  it's too easy to draw a blanket conclusion that one is better than the other.  different needs, different specifics.Nov 19 13:39
sebsebsebonly really trioed Mac OS X breifuly on someone elses   computer in 2007 that was TigerNov 19 13:39
DaemonFCit's like you went to their mom's house and shit in her potted plantNov 19 13:39
sebsebsebnever really used Mac OS X, and it's meant to be quite goodNov 19 13:39
DaemonFC;)Nov 19 13:39
sebsebseband if I were to have it I would want to have it legally which would mean buying  a MacNov 19 13:39
oiaohmI have used Mac OS XNov 19 13:39
oiaohmIssue for me is cost vs results.Nov 19 13:40
sebsebsebalso this computer sucks a bit that I am on now really,  it's from March 2007Nov 19 13:40
oiaohmMost of the time Mac OS X is too expensive.Nov 19 13:40
sebsebsebcan't do hardware virtualisationNov 19 13:40
digitteknohippiei'd rather just use a deal bsd.Nov 19 13:40
sebsebsebthe hard disk is only 250GB, oh sure I got an external hard disk, well kind of nowNov 19 13:40
sebsebseb1TBNov 19 13:40
sebsebsebnever let kids near your stuff like that, I learnt the other dayNov 19 13:40
digitteknohippierather than mac's borked bsd riddled with pseudo free software, and proprietaryware.Nov 19 13:40
B|`endanive never used  os x for more than a minute, and yet i managed to explain to my brother over the phone how to change the display settingsNov 19 13:40
oiaohmdigitteknohippie: bsd is dead at the moment until they get dri2 support requirements sorted out.Nov 19 13:40
sebsebseband this new case it's in, now the power socket has some issue, probably since how I unplugged it and uhNov 19 13:40
DaemonFCI managed to crash a demo Mac by clicking on SafariNov 19 13:41
MinceR143554 < sebsebseb> DaemonFC: What would you rather buy a PC with Windows 7 or a Mac with OS X?Nov 19 13:41
MinceRa non-dHell, non-crApple PCNov 19 13:41
MinceRthen i'd install an OS on itNov 19 13:41
DaemonFCthe funny thing is the Apple "Genius" standing next to me was at a total loss for wordsNov 19 13:41
sebsebseboiaohm: is OS X worth buying really?Nov 19 13:41
sebsebseboiaohm: yes very propritary and all that I know, but from a user point of view, is it worth buying?Nov 19 13:41
oiaohmsebsebseb: Remember I am very secuirty minded.Nov 19 13:41
oiaohmsebsebseb: both OS X and Windows secuirty designs make Ubuntu look great.Nov 19 13:41
oiaohmAnd by my standards ubuntu is completely trash.Nov 19 13:42
MinceRyou can replace both MacOS and winblows with GNU/Linux, but crApple hardware is horribly crapNov 19 13:42
DaemonFCGenius = high school dropout that explains computers using technobabble and Mac OS advertising Nov 19 13:42
MinceRnah, you can make ubuntu work better than eitherNov 19 13:42
sebsebseboiaohm: oh so your saying Ubuntu is much more secure than Windows and OS X, but Ubuntu it self isn't really that secure?Nov 19 13:42
MinceRit's just easier and nicer to start out with a better distroNov 19 13:42
sebsebsebanyway Mac's are still like double the price of standard PC's as far as I knowNov 19 13:42
B|`endanDaemonFC: did you know about this? pretty funnyNov 19 13:43
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ask Apple about the iPhone | .::. Size~: 35.94 KBNov 19 13:43
oiaohmsebsebseb: simple fact Ubuntu applies patches a lot that alter how secuirty and other key things operate in kernel that are not peer reviewed.Nov 19 13:43
sebsebsebplus I know that  if going to do things legally and not wanting to pay for the OS upgrade, stuck with the one that got, and that's that, well Windows tends to be like that as wellNov 19 13:43
DaemonFCThe only thing OS X has going for it is that it's not Windows, and some of the very dated components Apple took from FreeBSD still workNov 19 13:43
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 13:43
oiaohmsebsebseb: so you cannot use a clean stock kernel with UbuntuNov 19 13:43
MinceRit manages to be somehow even worse than winblowsNov 19 13:43
oiaohmsebsebseb: or simply apply an hardered kernel to it.Nov 19 13:43
sebsebsebanyway I am thinking about maybe buying something something portable,  a Mac? hmm probably not,  some sort of tablet hmm maybe, do they have big hard disks in them any of them 1TB or so? NO?Nov 19 13:43
oiaohmsebsebseb: basically Ubuntu is crap by secuirty standards.Nov 19 13:43
MinceRafaik plain tablets usually have no HDDs at allNov 19 13:44
MinceRtablet PCs often do, thoughNov 19 13:44
MinceR(mine does)Nov 19 13:44
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah something tells me tablets dont' have much  space for data in generalNov 19 13:44
DaemonFCMinceR: OS SuX or FreeBDSMNov 19 13:44
DaemonFCthink fastNov 19 13:44
oiaohmsebsebseb: did you see my link earlier.Nov 19 13:44
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 13:44
MinceRDaemonFC: the latter.Nov 19 13:44
oiaohmsebsebseb:  Yes warped name.Nov 19 13:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: USB stick packs ARM Cortex-A9 CPU, runs Android or Ubuntu - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 54.79 KBNov 19 13:45
B|`endanwhat is an example of good security then?Nov 19 13:45
oiaohmsebsebseb: of course I have emailed the maker asking if there are other distributiosn I will be allowed to be installed.Nov 19 13:45
oiaohmB|`endan: read the DOJ rainbow booksNov 19 13:46
*sebsebseb really doesn't like the power socket stupid round one, on his new external hard disk caseNov 19 13:46
*sebsebseb really is not happy that the old case broke in the first place as well, since he let someone else to close to it hmmNov 19 13:46
sebsebsebyeah the USB broke on my actsaul caseNov 19 13:46
B|`endandoj rainbow books?Nov 19 13:47
oiaohm  B|`endan  these explain all the basic ways to working out if a OS is secure or crap.Nov 19 13:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Rainbow Series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 43.09 KBNov 19 13:47
DaemonFCsponsored by Microsoft?Nov 19 13:47
B|`endanlooks like that take a hell of a lot of time to go throughNov 19 13:49
oiaohmDaemonFC: No is the Microsoft funded one.Nov 19 13:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Common Criteria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 88.43 KBNov 19 13:49
oiaohmEver since they swaped to Common Criteria has there secuirty breachs gone up.Nov 19 13:50
DaemonFCthey made one so watered down that even Windows XP could pass itNov 19 13:50
DaemonFCand made it an ISO standardNov 19 13:50
DaemonFCjust...wowNov 19 13:50
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 13:50
oiaohmYep XP could never pass the rainbow books.Nov 19 13:50
oiaohmB|`endan: secuirty done properly is not simple.Nov 19 13:50
B|`endanus gov dont use windows then i guessNov 19 13:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ASUS Ubuntu Netbooks Launch in 100 Portuguese Stores #asus #laptop #hardware #gnu #linux #softwareNov 19 13:51
DaemonFCthey doNov 19 13:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ASUS Ubuntu Netbooks Launch in 100 Portuguese Stores .::. Size~: 82.88 KBNov 19 13:51
DaemonFCsometimesNov 19 13:51
oiaohmDaemonFC: back in the days of rainbow Unix systems ruled the mil.Nov 19 13:51
DaemonFCI have a feeling they only use Windows on unimportant or unnetworked systems, or as baitNov 19 13:51
B|`endanis there a distribution which puts much effort into security?Nov 19 13:51
oiaohmDaemonFC: Un important?Nov 19 13:51
oiaohmDaemonFC: today they are flying preditior drones with live weapons by windows.Nov 19 13:52
DaemonFCyou know, accidentally put "classified" but really bogus and misleading information on a Windows server for the Chinese to  stealNov 19 13:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Sarkozy veut interdire les sites de streaming dans une Hadopi 3 #sarkozy #france #hadopi #censorship #internet #mediaNov 19 13:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sarkozy veut interdire les sites de streaming dans une Hadopi 3 - (11:52) .::. Size~: 31.7 KBNov 19 13:52
MinceRhm, i didn't know CC was m$Nov 19 13:52
MinceRi thought they flew predator drones by vxWorks, not by winblowsNov 19 13:53
MinceRbtw, Rainbow Books is DoD, not DoJNov 19 13:53
DaemonFCvxworks is a pretty good embedded systemNov 19 13:55
DaemonFCnonfree, but technically goodNov 19 13:55
DaemonFCthose Mars rovers run itNov 19 13:55
B|`endanso is it pretty brain dead simple to gain access to a xp machine ?Nov 19 13:55
oiaohmMinceR: they did before MS passed Comon crap.Nov 19 13:56
*Muphrid has quit (Quit: Saindo)Nov 19 13:56
oiaohmB|`endan: The issue is once you are in a XP machine is prity simple to take over the complete system.Nov 19 13:56
MinceRvista and vista7 make it even simplerNov 19 13:56
B|`endanso shared systems are no goNov 19 13:56
oiaohmB|`endan:  All you need is a flaw in a service on XP and you can move up to system user that can take out everything.Nov 19 13:57
B|`endani was wondering about from external attackNov 19 13:57
oiaohmB|`endan: extenal attacks come in so many forms.Nov 19 13:57
DaemonFCfrom external attack, Server 2008 R2 is much better than Windows 7Nov 19 13:57
DaemonFCbut not nearly good enoughNov 19 13:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] New Zealand: Open government policy a first #newzealand #opengov #gnu #linux #politicsNov 19 13:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Own Our Future | Open Government .::. Size~: 19.82 KBNov 19 13:57
oiaohmSimple fact you cannot stop an extental attack from at least some of the time working.  B|`endanNov 19 13:58
B|`endansurely they get access to the code before they put it on a mars rover?Nov 19 13:58
oiaohmI have screwed a windows machine over from a java applet.Nov 19 13:58
oiaohmIe user allowed a java based chat program on a demo site.Nov 19 13:58
B|`endanive always been interested in seeing how easy it isNov 19 13:58
oiaohmThat java program borked a local serviceNov 19 13:58
oiaohmSo result full take over of the machine.Nov 19 13:59
oiaohmXP is basically a sitting duck.Nov 19 13:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] SOPA's latest threat: IP blocking, privacy-busting packet inspection #sopa #censorship #internet #privacy #securityNov 19 13:59
oiaohmWindows 7 and 2008 is minorally better.Nov 19 13:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: SOPA's latest threat: IP blocking, privacy-busting packet inspection | Privacy Inc. - CNET News .::. Size~: 74.33 KBNov 19 13:59
DaemonFCB|`endan: Under NDA, NASA got vxworks code to inspectNov 19 13:59
DaemonFCit's not free or open sourceNov 19 13:59
DaemonFCor available to the publicNov 19 13:59
oiaohmB|`endan: Linux kernel developers have worked out cgroups for sandboxing are required.Nov 19 13:59
DaemonFCprocess ids are unreliable, hard to track, and outright unmanageable Nov 19 14:00
oiaohmUnix systems have been doing equal to cgroups for years.Nov 19 14:00
B|`endani think i read about people in space station getting viruses, how come they give them windows??Nov 19 14:00
oiaohmB|`endan: Nothing critical on the space station runs on windows.Nov 19 14:00
B|`endanwell, their personal computersNov 19 14:01
oiaohmMost personal computers don't work up there by the way.Nov 19 14:01
B|`endanoh really, what stops them?Nov 19 14:01
oiaohmIonising radiation.Nov 19 14:02
oiaohmBasically cpus that are not built to take that go nuts in space.Nov 19 14:02
oiaohmTo be correct only limited types of IC's can be used in space.Nov 19 14:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Self-Published Authors Sharply Criticize Penguin's Book Country - now *not* to do it...Nov 19 14:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Self-Published Authors Sharply Criticize Penguin’s Book Country                                                     |  paidContent .::. Size~: 47.88 KBNov 19 14:02
B|`endantoo dificult to cover up the chips?Nov 19 14:02
oiaohmUmmNov 19 14:03
oiaohmThe radition up there is blocked by the earth magnetic field.Nov 19 14:03
oiaohmAnd can quite simply pass threw lead steel and most other things you could attempt to use.Nov 19 14:03
oiaohmBlocking would basically make the laptop bigger than the space station.Nov 19 14:03
B|`endanoh okNov 19 14:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Police officer pepper-sprays seated, non-violent students at UC Davis 19 14:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Police officer pepper-sprays seated, non-violent students at UC Davis - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 28.55 KBNov 19 14:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Photo of the day: police drag #OWS protester by her hair at #N17 19 14:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Photo of the day: police drag #OWS protester by her hair at #N17 - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 15.36 KBNov 19 14:06
oiaohmB|`endan: The thing is the small the parts are inside the chip the more touchy to radiation it is.Nov 19 14:07
oiaohmB|`endan: so lot of off the shelf AVR chips can take more than what is require in earth orbit.Nov 19 14:08
oiaohmB|`endan:  yet a modern day intel or amd cpu is basically going to be doa.Nov 19 14:08
oiaohmB|`endan: Unless they have been special made for up there.Nov 19 14:10
B|`endanok, interesting stuffNov 19 14:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Not sure when I will be installing !Mageia 2 Alpha 1, but now I am looking forward to the 25th Nov instead since the #Mageia Alpha 1 delay.Nov 19 14:11
B|`endandoes it have much effect on the humans?Nov 19 14:11
DaemonFC 19 14:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A Journal Comes To systemd .::. Size~: 62.84 KBNov 19 14:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The most popular Linux is... #gnu #linux #microsoft #windows #software #computersNov 19 14:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The most popular Linux is... | ZDNet .::. Size~: 137.04 KBNov 19 14:16
MinceRlet's see... ALSA does have sw mixing, PA did have issues, i still have a SoundBlaster that does hardware mixing :>Nov 19 14:16
DaemonFCthe cheap ones don'tNov 19 14:18
DaemonFCALSA's is crude and has never worked well for meNov 19 14:18
DaemonFCPulseaudio still has issues, but they are minor and usually flush out broken programs like VLCNov 19 14:18
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 14:18
oiaohmDaemonFC: depends.Nov 19 14:19
oiaohmPulseaudio and Jackaudiio still don't get alongNov 19 14:19
B|`endanwhat distro do you use oiaohm ?Nov 19 14:20
MinceRthat's a pity, since JACK is precisely where PA should be sending the audio data if you're using an ieee1394 audio deviceNov 19 14:20
oiaohmB|`endan: My base is debian but its been threw a hardening process.Nov 19 14:21
oiaohmso it not stock.Nov 19 14:21
B|`endanwhat ahve you changed?Nov 19 14:21
oiaohmI am looking forward to some of the things about systemd to harden system better.Nov 19 14:21
oiaohmB|`endan: Its quite a long list.  Kernel is built in harded design.    So basically 100 percent resistent to buffer overflow attacks.Nov 19 14:22
oiaohmSandboxing around services.Nov 19 14:22
oiaohmProper use of selinuxNov 19 14:22
oiaohmthat is basically a short form.Nov 19 14:22
B|`endanmy system is parabola, and i dont know jack about security, so youd probably be disappointed :)Nov 19 14:23
oiaohmB|`endan: You have to start someone.Nov 19 14:24
oiaohmsomeone/somewhereNov 19 14:24
oiaohmI am off to bedNov 19 14:24
*oiaohm has quit (Quit: by all)Nov 19 14:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] First alpha ISO's for !Mageia 2 due on the 25th of November: #Mageia 2 Alpha 1 originally planned for the 16th November.Nov 19 14:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: First alpha ISOs for Mageia 2 due on the 25th of November | Mageia Blog (English) .::. Size~: 19.67 KBNov 19 14:29
DaemonFCmy radar detector just saved my lifeNov 19 14:38
DaemonFCout of nowhere, a cop floors it through a blind intersectionNov 19 14:38
DaemonFCwould have hit me head on if that thing hadn't given me a Ka alertNov 19 14:38
DaemonFCfuckers get to drive however they wantNov 19 14:38
DaemonFCand make it your fault in a crash like it's your fault in anything involving a police officerNov 19 14:38
DaemonFCgrrrNov 19 14:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jrepin/@jrepin] Google CodeIn 2011: A Chance for the Next Generation to Join !KDE → !linux !fsNov 19 14:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Google CodeIn 2011: A Chance for the Next Generation to Join KDE | .::. Size~: 7.52 KBNov 19 14:42
DaemonFC 19 14:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: FreeBSD 9.0 RC2 Arrives Late, Pushes Back Final - Page 2 .::. Size~: 101.16 KBNov 19 14:44
DaemonFC"Nvidia as a company disgusts me, their driver might be decent, but it is proprietary and they actively oppose any attempts to make it work at all with freely licensed open source software. The political activities of their senior management is another prong in my two-pronged "I don't buy Nvidia because..." argument. Their board is like a bunch of stodgy old cigar smoking villains from a James Bond movie who do things like take company money to Nov 19 14:44
DaemonFChand out to the theocrats in California to help pass Proposition 8."Nov 19 14:44
DaemonFCdid I mention I hate Nvidia?Nov 19 14:45
DaemonFCironically, Nvidia's crusade against free software has made their hardware the only one that lets you run it with a totally free software driver stackNov 19 14:46
DaemonFCright down to reverse engineered firmwareNov 19 14:46
DaemonFCbut I don't feel like funding a company that takes an adversarial position against the free and open source software community to begin withNov 19 14:46
DaemonFCif it "HAD TO" be done, the only thing left to make the AMD Radeon stack free is a few KB of firmware that would need reverse engineeredNov 19 14:47
DaemonFCjudging by Nvidia's firmware reverse engineering, this would be 2-3 months of work, maxNov 19 14:47
DaemonFCinstead of years to make the hardware do anything at all, like with Nouveau overallNov 19 14:48
DaemonFCthe only reason it happened with Nouveau is because they asked Nvidia if they could use Nvidia's nonfree firmware to initialize the cards and Nvidia said hell no and we'll sue if you try itNov 19 14:49
DaemonFCwithout the firmware being downloaded to the card and ran, the card does almost nothing besides allowing the VESA functionality that any card since the 90s will provide youNov 19 14:49
DaemonFCno accelerated anythingNov 19 14:50
DaemonFCit also limits the display resolution to whatever the BIOS recognizesNov 19 14:50
DaemonFCwhich poses a problem for resolutions 1680 x 1050 or higherNov 19 14:50
DaemonFCthe screen is not only frame buffered, it's a low resolution that looks warpedNov 19 14:51
DaemonFCand that's what you get with Trisquel and GnewsenseNov 19 14:51
DaemonFChave funNov 19 14:51
DaemonFCoh, and blagblagblagblagblagblag(blag blag)Nov 19 14:51
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 14:51
DaemonFCa very few BIOSes recognize the native resolution of modern monitorsNov 19 14:52
DaemonFCthe first thing the card does after being brought up is to trash whatever the BIOS told it to do and replace the video modes with what the card really does supportNov 19 14:53
DaemonFCI could use Trisquel, if I didn't mind frame buffered 1368 x 768 on my 1920 x 1080 24" LED monitorNov 19 14:54
DaemonFCin other words, keep your "free" distribution until it does something for meNov 19 14:54
DaemonFC;)Nov 19 14:54
DaemonFCVESA and BIOS video resolutions are meant as a fallback in an "Oh shit, what went horribly wrong?" situationNov 19 14:55
DaemonFCnot to be actually usedNov 19 14:55
DaemonFCyou also lose kernel mode setting if the radeon driver can't initialize the hardware fullyNov 19 14:56
DaemonFCso even vts won't be a good resolutionNov 19 14:56
DaemonFCmaybe even unreadableNov 19 14:56
DaemonFCradeon firmware should be a candidate for the FSF high priority listNov 19 14:56
DaemonFCit's not a huge undertaking as free video driver projects goNov 19 14:56
DaemonFCand it would make Trisquel a real option for more usersNov 19 14:57
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 14:57
DaemonFCRyan Farmer upgraded their Rocket Buggies to Level 8 in War Commander.Nov 19 14:58
DaemonFCThese vehicles put the pedal to the medal -- ripping through buildings before the enemy knows what hit them.Nov 19 14:58
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 14:58
DaemonFCheheNov 19 14:58
DaemonFCripping through the enemy before they know what happened is always a plusNov 19 14:58
DaemonFCMy dad refers to the DHS as the Gestapo Nov 19 15:11
DaemonFClolNov 19 15:11
DaemonFCI concurNov 19 15:11
DaemonFC"Beginning in 1940, the grey SS uniform was worn by Gestapo in occupied countries, even those who were not actually SS members, because agents in civilian clothes had been shot by members of the Wehrmacht thinking that they were partisans." -WikipediaNov 19 15:12
DaemonFClolNov 19 15:12
DaemonFCniceNov 19 15:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New Review of the New #Kubuntu #kdeNov 19 15:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Kubuntu 11.10 review .::. Size~: 116.4 KBNov 19 15:17
DaemonFCMinceR once said that in Hungary, they have socialists and national socialistsNov 19 15:18
DaemonFCit's bad, but not United States bad I guessNov 19 15:18
DaemonFChere we have the Theocrat and the Oligarch parties, and sometimes there is "bipartisanship"Nov 19 15:18
DaemonFCit happens regularly because there's a lot of crossover between those groupsNov 19 15:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz New Review of the New #Kubuntu #kdeNov 19 15:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Kubuntu 11.10 review .::. Size~: 116.4 KBNov 19 15:19
DaemonFCWhat harm can a creationist and a free market capitalist do when they work together?Nov 19 15:20
DaemonFCLet's find out!Nov 19 15:20
DaemonFCB-)Nov 19 15:20
DaemonFCsometimes I think schestowitz links to to remind me I forgot to add *.brightcove.* to my filter rulesNov 19 15:22
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 15:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] GNU/Linux in the High Streets in #Portugal #ubuntuNov 19 15:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu launches at retail in Portugal with ASUS «  Canonical Blog .::. Size~: 18.94 KBNov 19 15:22
schestowitz""Wild Carpathia", an interesting documentary about Romania #romania #video #wild #monarchy #royal"Nov 19 15:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Documentarul Wild Carpathia in versiune intreaga on Vimeo .::. Size~: 50.18 KBNov 19 15:25
schestowitzhi DaemonFCNov 19 15:25
schestowitz[15:26:10] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: hehe... you should see the irc channels right now.. the hyper one is inNov 19 15:26
schestowitz[15:26:14] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: like 1000 linesNov 19 15:26
schestowitz[15:26:16] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: no responseNov 19 15:26
schestowitz[15:26:18] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: in textNov 19 15:27
schestowitz[15:26:42] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: trolls and disruptors still abound todayNov 19 15:27
schestowitz:-)Nov 19 15:27
DaemonFCRyan FarmerNov 19 15:28
DaemonFCI'm not a proponent of porn, but the US government's attack on the internet does make some, shall we say, strange bedfellows. ;)Nov 19 15:28
DaemonFCWall PhotosNov 19 15:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: IT'S ALIVE: New Blacklist Bill Set To Crush The Internet! | Demand Progress .::. Size~: 14.16 KBNov 19 15:28
DaemonFCBy: Demand ProgressNov 19 15:28
DaemonFCLike · · Share · 10 seconds agoNov 19 15:28
DaemonFCRyan FarmerNov 19 15:29
DaemonFCQuoting myself from Phoronix Forums:Nov 19 15:29
DaemonFC"Nvidia as a company disgusts me, their driver might be decent, but it is proprietary and they actively oppose any attempts to make it work at all with freely licensed open source software. The political activities of their senior management is another prong in my two-pronged "I don't buy Nvidia because..." argument. Their board is like a bunch of stodgy old cigar smoking villains from a James Bond movie who do things like take company money to Nov 19 15:29
DaemonFChand out to the theocrats in California to help pass Proposition 8."Nov 19 15:29
DaemonFCLike · · Share · 3 minutes agoNov 19 15:29
DaemonFCI use my Facebook wall a lot like TwitterNov 19 15:29
DaemonFC:PNov 19 15:29
DaemonFCRyan Farmer via Opera BrowserNov 19 15:32
DaemonFCOpera Mini is the only usable mobile web browser. Far exceeding toys like Pocket Idiot Exploiter or Crapple Safari. Opera Mini/Mobile can save you a ton of bandwidth.Nov 19 15:32
DaemonFCLike · · 11 seconds agoNov 19 15:32
DaemonFC 19 15:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Opera News - Achievement Unlocked .::. Size~: 38.41 KBNov 19 15:34
DaemonFCI shared that oneNov 19 15:34
DaemonFCRyan Farmer via Opera BrowserNov 19 15:35
DaemonFCNext achievement: Use download Linux.Nov 19 15:35
DaemonFCAchievement UnlockedNov 19 15:35
DaemonFCmy.opera.comNov 19 15:36
DaemonFCAlternative Get: Mac users can get/rate Opera in the Mac App StoreNov 19 15:36
DaemonFCLike · · Share · 4 seconds agoNov 19 15:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [now up] Learning From #Beethoven: Speeding Up Exchange Of Scientific Knowledge - don't miss LvB's quote on #sharingNov 19 15:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Learning From Beethoven: Speeding Up The Exchange Of Scientific Knowledge | Techdirt .::. Size~: 65.31 KBNov 19 15:36
DaemonFCThe Amarok 2.5 RC is now packaged for FedoraNov 19 15:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [now up] Microsoft 'Anti-Piracy' Campaign Explains Why It's Bad For Businesses To Pay For Microsoft Software - cluelessNov 19 15:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft 'Anti-Piracy' Campaign Explains Why It's Bad For Businesses To Pay For Microsoft Software | Techdirt .::. Size~: 91.8 KBNov 19 15:37
DaemonFCin kde-unstable on kde-redhatNov 19 15:37
DaemonFCso is KDE 4.7.3 with some additional patches applied from what is currently in Fedora-updatesNov 19 15:38
DaemonFCthat's in kde-testingNov 19 15:38
DaemonFCI recommend kde-testing, as they get bug fixes and new stable KDEs before Fedora UpdatesNov 19 15:38
DaemonFCRex Dieter and Kevin Kofler are wizardsNov 19 15:39
DaemonFCthey put the Kubuntu PPAs to shameNov 19 15:39
schestowitz[15:45:44] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: HARD Talk on..Nov 19 15:46
schestowitz[15:45:55] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: more depressing stuff about the ecNov 19 15:46
*schestowitz watches BBC world on screen 2Nov 19 15:46
DaemonFCTo the theme of Twilight Zone: Dawn talking to someone on the phone about me being creepy.Nov 19 15:47
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 15:47
DaemonFCin between episodes of getting blitzed and trying to get me to have sex with her.Nov 19 15:48
DaemonFCof courseNov 19 15:48
DaemonFCthere aren't enough illegal substances in the world to make that happenNov 19 15:48
schestowitzLOLNov 19 15:48
schestowitzReally?Nov 19 15:48
DaemonFCya rlyNov 19 15:48
DaemonFCeven if she slipped me acid and magic mushrooms somehow, the only thing not altered would be my perception of herNov 19 15:49
DaemonFC:DNov 19 15:50
schestowitzFinally found something more positive on TV... special programme on wind power across the USNov 19 15:50
DaemonFCsponsored by Sprawl Mart and Big Polluters?Nov 19 15:51
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 15:51
schestowitzlolNov 19 15:51
schestowitzmagic mushroomsNov 19 15:51
schestowitzI heard this term beforeNov 19 15:51
schestowitzevoking language from kids' literature to describe drugsNov 19 15:51
schestowitzMy girlfriend from way back would call em thatNov 19 15:52
schestowitzor "shrooms"Nov 19 15:52
DaemonFC 19 15:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Peter Paul & Mary - Puff the Magic Dragon       - YouTube .::. Size~: 94.94 KBNov 19 15:52
schestowitz[in Canada]Nov 19 15:52
schestowitzDaemonFC: would you like Magic Cake?Nov 19 15:52
schestowitzme: "what's the magic?"Nov 19 15:52
DaemonFCmagic browniesNov 19 15:52
schestowitzyeahNov 19 15:52
schestowitzwith potNov 19 15:53
*DaemonFC sings alongNov 19 15:53
schestowitzDawn, the shaving magicianNov 19 15:53
DaemonFCDawn and the magic razor, over at the neighbor'sNov 19 15:54
DaemonFCshaving his back in the bath Nov 19 15:54
DaemonFCThe guy fucked her for what seemed like forever, you should have seen his dickNov 19 15:54
DaemonFCit has bite marks on it nowNov 19 15:54
DaemonFCsing with me schestowitz!Nov 19 15:54
DaemonFCSING!!!Nov 19 15:55
DaemonFCB-)Nov 19 15:55
DaemonFCI can't heart you!Nov 19 15:55
DaemonFCButtsecks you say?Nov 19 15:55
DaemonFC*hearNov 19 15:55
DaemonFCPoor little Ryan Farmer, lived next door to Dawn, and swore that song gets longer, every time it playsNov 19 15:56
DaemonFCB-)Nov 19 15:56
DaemonFCThat woman is like a pornographic female version of Mr. BeanNov 19 15:58
DaemonFCif he was psychotic of courseNov 19 15:59
DaemonFC*knock knock knock* "Kyle, it's ME" (she calls me Kyle when she's drunk, don't ask, I don't know) "and that's when I shot her, your honor"Nov 19 16:00
schestowitz "thank you for sharing, my laptop was basically getting hammered, the battery lasts only 9 minutes with ubuntu 11.10, i posted it in launchpad, no one could answer it. 12.04 lts should make it better, of late ubuntu is was being hostile to low configuration laptops! "Nov 19 16:00
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schestowitzDaemonFC: to her, shaving is like the "massage parlour" equiv.Nov 19 16:01
DaemonFCschestowitz: You want horrific ending?Nov 19 16:01
DaemonFCB-)Nov 19 16:01
DaemonFCme give you horrific endingNov 19 16:02
schestowitz "Ouch. Time to go back for the Physics PhD."Nov 19 16:02
DaemonFCme horrify you long timeNov 19 16:02
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schestowitzRight now I watch some Western propaganda about LibyaNov 19 16:02
schestowitzDaemonFC: why not happy endings?Nov 19 16:02
DaemonFCbecause Dawn doesn't do thatNov 19 16:03
schestowitzit's kind of cool that I can assign TV to any of 3 screens and then output the audio to the stereo and amplifierNov 19 16:03
DaemonFCexcept with the equally horrifying maintenance men the landlord sends outNov 19 16:03
schestowitzwho needs TV anymore?Nov 19 16:03
DaemonFCI doNov 19 16:04
DaemonFCI'm contractually obligated until MayNov 19 16:04
DaemonFCdoh!Nov 19 16:04
schestowitzDawn does EVERYthingNov 19 16:04
schestowitzDaemonFC: do you have national TV like CSPAN?Nov 19 16:04
DaemonFCDo I need to tell you where DirecTV can shove their satellite dish when this is over?Nov 19 16:04
schestowitzAnd if you had a TV around or a VCR, do you pay tax although cable companies are very commonplaceNov 19 16:05
DaemonFCwhen the DirecTV badstupidwhydidIdoTHAT nightmare is overNov 19 16:05
DaemonFCmy TV will be used for Netflix and Hulu PlusNov 19 16:05
DaemonFCwhich together, cost roughly 1/4th as muchNov 19 16:05
DaemonFChave no commercials and other garbageNov 19 16:06
DaemonFCand don't obligate me to pay them for two more yearsNov 19 16:06
DaemonFCif I cancel them now, my contract says I owe them $20 for every month I would have had it from point of cancellation to May 2012Nov 19 16:07
DaemonFCpaying them $20 a month for nothing sounds as bad as paying them $80 a month to do next to nothing usefulNov 19 16:07
DaemonFCpaying them $20 a month to go away might be up for consideration when there are fewer months to goNov 19 16:08
DaemonFCI may just hand them $100 to go away and not darken my doorstep anymoreNov 19 16:08
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 16:08
DaemonFCWhen that happens, I'm going to get rid of AT&T as wellNov 19 16:09
DaemonFCthere's a smaller ISP in town that uses Fiber OpticNov 19 16:09
DaemonFCit's five times faster with no "voluntary" mafiaa dealNov 19 16:09
DaemonFCand a little cheaperNov 19 16:09
DaemonFCand the best bit about Fiber To The Home is that it requires no modemNov 19 16:10
DaemonFCnothing that needs Windows at allNov 19 16:10
DaemonFCanything with an ethernet port will workNov 19 16:10
DaemonFCeven Windows 95Nov 19 16:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Ardour: An #Audio Editor That's Hard to Master and Tough to Beat 19 16:11
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DaemonFCno arguments with some idiot representative in Bangalore re fuck WindowsNov 19 16:11
DaemonFCno "just turn the fucking modem on you bastard"Nov 19 16:11
DaemonFChoorayNov 19 16:11
DaemonFCWho else has their ISP on their bogofilter?Nov 19 16:13
DaemonFCshow of hands?Nov 19 16:13
DaemonFCAT&T sucksNov 19 16:14
DaemonFCComcast sucks slightly moreNov 19 16:14
DaemonFCthere was no third option when I switched to AT&T from ComcastNov 19 16:14
DaemonFCit's like saying you were a Republican and now you're a DemocratNov 19 16:14
DaemonFCAT&T is only marginally better than ComcastNov 19 16:15
DaemonFClittle faster, slightly cheaper, less traffic manipulation, higher uptimes, no DNS hijack to BingNov 19 16:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Women in FOSS: men need to do more, says senior dev #foss #feminismNov 19 16:16
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DaemonFCbut it's not MUCH better overallNov 19 16:16
DaemonFConly a little betterNov 19 16:16
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schestowitz"Gotta love it! :D Can't wait!" 19 16:16
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DaemonFCDSL and Cable are both dinosaursNov 19 16:17
DaemonFCwhen you look at it from the angle of "Fiber Optic is here now"Nov 19 16:17
DaemonFCDSL and Cable are officially the new dial upNov 19 16:18
DaemonFCyou only get them when there's no choiceNov 19 16:18
schestowitz "9 minutes? Your battery is broken, just like mine, it doesn't hold power for even 3. ;)"Nov 19 16:18
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DaemonFC9 minutes?Nov 19 16:18
DaemonFCeven Windows Vista doesn't do that badNov 19 16:18
DaemonFCsomething is seriously wrong with his setupNov 19 16:18
DaemonFCI got about an hour and 15 minutes with VistaNov 19 16:19
DaemonFC~2 hours with XubuntuNov 19 16:19
DaemonFCI finally bumped it over to Lubuntu recentlyNov 19 16:19
DaemonFCand that brought it up to roughly 2 hours 15 minutesNov 19 16:20
DaemonFCso Lubuntu essentially doubles your battery life compared to VistaNov 19 16:20
DaemonFCI don't know what Windows 7 is doing, but it probably doesn't help it that muchNov 19 16:20
DaemonFCFedora with LXDE might bump it a bit more Nov 19 16:21
DaemonFCbut Xubuntu to Lubuntu is really easyNov 19 16:21
DaemonFCremove XFCE, install LXDENov 19 16:21
DaemonFCso that's what I didNov 19 16:21
DaemonFCreally you get almost no runtime on battery with WindowsNov 19 16:22
DaemonFCthat's why you never see a Windows laptop with a 6 cellNov 19 16:22
DaemonFCit would only last a little more than an hourNov 19 16:22
DaemonFCthey do a sneaky sleight of handNov 19 16:25
DaemonFCthey claim the Linux model gets 2 hours and so does Windows 7Nov 19 16:25
DaemonFCbut they give Windows 7 a 12 cellNov 19 16:25
DaemonFCand Linux a 6 cellNov 19 16:26
DaemonFCif you notice that, it's actually the same price as the Windows model once you add a 12 cell upgrade to the Linux oneNov 19 16:26
DaemonFCat least Dell did thatNov 19 16:26
MinceR161931 < DaemonFC> it's bad, but not United States bad I guessNov 19 16:27
MinceRit's worse.Nov 19 16:27
MinceRafter all, the commies are the successors of the commie party that held the country in the previous dictatorshipNov 19 16:27
MinceRthough they like to play good democrat nowadays (except for their opposition to freedom of speech, i guess)Nov 19 16:27
MinceRwhile the nazis are totally unscrupulous about setting up and maintaining the current dictatorshipNov 19 16:28
MinceRand while there are other parties, the sheep won't vote for them even nowNov 19 16:28
MinceRof course, most of our political "elite" having come from the commie party and their youth organization doesn't exactly helpNov 19 16:28
MinceRmost of the sheep still vote for the nazis >> 19 16:29
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MinceRi should call them zombies, not sheepNov 19 16:29
MinceRsheep think more than these idiotsNov 19 16:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Christopher Hitchens Drops the Hammer #HitchensNov 19 16:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 19/11/2011: Linux Mint 12, ACTA Secrecy #techrightsNov 19 16:41
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schestowitz"Well put! :)" 19 16:41
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DaemonFC"Edit, if you need VLC to work, you can set Pulseaudio to use old fashioned interrupt timing, which will cause the entire system to use more power from all the extra wakeup events, but it hides VLC's bugs pretty well."Nov 19 16:44
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 16:44
schestowitz"@Jaro Larnos - hi, normally that's what i would have thought! but mine is dual boot machine - so with windows it lasts 1.5 hrs! so indirectly very happy, that atleast some guys at ubuntu understood what i'm going through! but in your case, did u check with some other OS? " 19 16:44
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schestowitzbattry suckageNov 19 16:44
schestowitzbatteryNov 19 16:44
DaemonFC"VLC is designed for Windows XP or FreeBSD style sound systems, not ones that work in modern operating systems like Linux + ALSA + Pulseaudio, or even god forbid Mac OS X with CoreAudio. (Yes, I just said OS X does something right. Shock!) "Nov 19 16:46
DaemonFCVLC uses interrupt scheduling on Windows Vista/7, not timer basedNov 19 16:47
DaemonFCeven though Vista7 can do timer based, due to the nature of the beast, Windows has 20 different APIs for everythingNov 19 16:47
DaemonFCincluding mimicking Windows XP's ancient sound system for broken applicationsNov 19 16:47
DaemonFCOSS 3/4 and Windows XP's sound system are fundamentally similarNov 19 16:48
DaemonFCPeople defending either one of them do it in ignoranceNov 19 16:49
DaemonFC"Sure it guzzles power, but it hides bugs really well!"Nov 19 16:49
DaemonFCI recommend people use Pulseaudio with timer schedulingNov 19 16:50
DaemonFCand just not even fuck around with VLCNov 19 16:50
DaemonFCit's stupid and broken and shitty and evilNov 19 16:50
DaemonFCand there are far better options in many of the cases where you just want a really good media playerNov 19 16:50
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DaemonFCVLC has gotten so bad, even Windows users are complaining about things it doesNov 19 16:51
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DaemonFCthat should be a good indicatorNov 19 16:51
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DaemonFCI think I shall use my remaining damage protection time to upgrade a few of my mortar installationsNov 19 16:54
DaemonFClets see how they avoid being shelled in places on my map which were previously lightly defendedNov 19 16:55
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 16:55
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DaemonFC"I switched to all AMD years ago. Linux handles it fine, FreeBSD gives me a nice fat VESA framebuffer driver with 1368 x 768 display resolution on my $400 GPU and my $300 monitor. Boo."Nov 19 16:57
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schestowitzstupid identca doesn't work right.... still.Nov 19 16:59
schestowitzDaemonFC: "Indeed, it was a know regression issue and Phoronix proposed a so-called "Proper Solution" for this, some time ago:"Nov 19 17:00
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DaemonFCI just force aspm to onNov 19 17:01
DaemonFCmy board supports it, my BIOS liesNov 19 17:01
DaemonFCoh wellNov 19 17:01
DaemonFCtook 20 seconds and a reboot to fix permanentlyNov 19 17:01
DaemonFCwhat a god damned drama queen that guy isNov 19 17:01
DaemonFCbut it probably gets more advertisement hitsNov 19 17:01
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schestowitzJoibs :-)Nov 19 17:02
DaemonFCthis "fix" isn't even a fixNov 19 17:04
DaemonFCthere will always be cases where there is hardware Linux doesn't have a quirk for because nobody has gotten around to fishing around for what Windows doesNov 19 17:05
DaemonFCand so Linux disables ASPM anyway because it doesn't have a quirk, the BIOS lies, and it decides to play it safeNov 19 17:05
DaemonFCit only fixes hardware on a case by case basis where they've added quirks by watching what Windows doesNov 19 17:07
DaemonFCthat's why ACPI is such a "great standard"Nov 19 17:07
DaemonFC;)Nov 19 17:07
DaemonFCbut like Donald Rumsfeld once saidNov 19 17:07
DaemonFCyou go to war with the army you have, not the one you might wantNov 19 17:07
DaemonFCoopsNov 19 17:07
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 17:07
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DaemonFCas long as proprietary boot firmware exists, you have to follow Microsoft's and Apple's rules to use your computerNov 19 17:09
DaemonFCsecure boot is merely the latest in a long line of dirty tricks involving boot firmware that they have used to make Linux seem brokenNov 19 17:09
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DaemonFCthey've given up on trying to subvert Linux using only malicious ACPINov 19 17:10
DaemonFCbecause Linux adapts almost as fast as they are able to break thatNov 19 17:10
MinceRschestowitz: ewNov 19 17:10
DaemonFCthey are using a very Borg-like attack pattern against an enemy that is more able to adapt to the situation it finds itself inNov 19 17:11
DaemonFC;)Nov 19 17:11
DaemonFCSpecies 8472?Nov 19 17:12
DaemonFCheheNov 19 17:12
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DaemonFCThe Borg attack on fluidic space didn't turn out so wellNov 19 17:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] @evan since we're on the subject of silencing, could you check @seviojazosverd 's account? She can't login w/msg "not allowed to log in".Nov 19 17:17
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DaemonFCPulseaudio should be moved out of userspace entirely and put into ALSANov 19 17:22
DaemonFCit would be much more efficient thereNov 19 17:22
MinceRthat could helpNov 19 17:22
MinceRit would also help keep it from taking over an API of ALSANov 19 17:23
DaemonFCuserspace to kernel and kernel to userspace is incredibly expensiveNov 19 17:23
DaemonFCit's doing the right job from the wrong positionNov 19 17:23
DaemonFCthen again, userspace has some advantagesNov 19 17:24
DaemonFCif it crashes, it can be easily respawnedNov 19 17:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] RT @whirli #beard slap #gif dont know why, but thats brilliant!Nov 19 17:24
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DaemonFCbut I don't think that makes up for the transaction overhead it imposes from being in userspaceNov 19 17:24
DaemonFCWindows 7 does something similar, but in that case it's not about stability, that's just an intended side effect of making tougher DRMNov 19 17:25
DaemonFC*unintendedNov 19 17:25
DaemonFCon the video side, they found managing GPU memory to be better suited for the kernel and started moving it from X to the kernelNov 19 17:26
DaemonFCthey should do the same with software sound mixingNov 19 17:26
DaemonFCdoes it make the kernel more complicated? sureNov 19 17:26
DaemonFCit also makes managing the GPU memory a lot fasterNov 19 17:27
DaemonFCwith a lot less load on the CPUNov 19 17:27
DaemonFCthe benefits clearly outweighed the drawbacksNov 19 17:27
DaemonFCCPU overhead is bad, mmmkay? :DNov 19 17:27
DaemonFCeven if it means the odd unrecoverable crashNov 19 17:27
DaemonFCif X goes down and the kernel survives, you're screwed anywayNov 19 17:28
DaemonFCso they eventually stopped pretending X had any benefits in managing the hardwareNov 19 17:28
DaemonFCmanaging hardware from userspace is insane and wrongNov 19 17:29
DaemonFCI don't care what it is, it is wrongNov 19 17:29
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 17:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Wave Of Suicides Among Indian Farmers - 250,000 in 16 years; "persuaded to use genetically modified seeds" #india #gmNov 19 17:29
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DaemonFCin many cases, FGLRX is faster at rendering things than radeon is, but FGLRX puts more load on your CPU than radeon doesNov 19 17:30
DaemonFCand the fact that radeon manages vram from the kernel make it faster than FGLRX in doing some operationsNov 19 17:30
DaemonFCit's why 2d acceleration is so damned fast with radeonNov 19 17:30
DaemonFCand not so good with FGLRXNov 19 17:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Memo to American Bankers Association from lobbyists spells out $850,000 anti-#OWS plan - dirty tricksNov 19 17:31
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azalyni just want the memory leaks to stop on my system.Nov 19 17:31
azalynhopefully switching to opensource drivers will fix that.Nov 19 17:31
MinceRwith the performance nowadays, i think it makes sense to move as much as possible to userspaceNov 19 17:31
MinceRreliability really is more important than performanceNov 19 17:31
DaemonFCig you're not using an OpenGL compositor, FGLRX will make your desktop really really really slowNov 19 17:32
DaemonFCwith lots of tearingNov 19 17:32
DaemonFCand spiking the CPUNov 19 17:32
DaemonFCouchNov 19 17:32
DaemonFCif you use LXDE or XFCE with FGLRX, you're in for a world of hurt in basic window managementNov 19 17:32
DaemonFCbut kwin and compiz do great with FGLRX because they use its very fast OpenGL driverNov 19 17:33
azalynMinceR: oh jesus, not this again... :|Nov 19 17:33
azalynare you one of those microkernel zealots?Nov 19 17:33
DaemonFCperformance is not always more important than reliability, especially with the added reliability doesn't help the user out at all anywayNov 19 17:33
DaemonFClike userspace modesettingNov 19 17:34
MinceRazalyn: is everyone who prefers a microkernel a zealot?Nov 19 17:34
azalynDaemonFC: you reversed your statement..Nov 19 17:34
DaemonFCyeah I didNov 19 17:34
DaemonFCswitch that first part aroundNov 19 17:34
DaemonFCdoh!Nov 19 17:34
azalynDaemonFC: i think you meant to say "reliability is not always more important"Nov 19 17:34
DaemonFC;)Nov 19 17:34
DaemonFCyesNov 19 17:34
MinceRwell, trueNov 19 17:34
MinceRDoS vulnerabilities aren't nice :>Nov 19 17:34
DaemonFC reliability is not always more important than performance, especially with the added reliability doesn't help the user out at all anywayNov 19 17:35
DaemonFCfixedNov 19 17:35
DaemonFC:PNov 19 17:35
azalynMinceR: i just think microkernels are another pie in the sky idea. i'm more miffed about it because of that tanenbaum interview from the other day. it's still fresh in my mind.Nov 19 17:35
DaemonFCMINIX is a great systemNov 19 17:35
azalynhe once again bashed monolithic kernels, and claimed that linux's success was "dumb luck"Nov 19 17:35
DaemonFCbut it's far more suited for embedded systems than it is a general purpose PCNov 19 17:35
azalynstated that linux only succeeded because of the bsd lawsuit back in the day from at&tNov 19 17:35
azalynsame tired old arguments.Nov 19 17:35
MinceRazalyn: i think that tanenbaum suffering from a personality-warping case of sour grapes doesn't make microkernels a bad ideaNov 19 17:36
DaemonFCif you have to make sure the entire system stays running come hell or high water and you don't care about performance at all, MINIX is spectacularNov 19 17:36
MinceRi don't think that MINIX would ever be the system of my choice though :>Nov 19 17:36
azalynMinceR: i know. but it's still fresh in my mind. and the problem is he acts like microkernels are a sure thing, he talks about being "ahead of his time" and such..Nov 19 17:36
MinceRiirc it's still missing a serious amount of features one would expect of a modern unixNov 19 17:36
DaemonFCMINIX throws every decision to stabilityNov 19 17:36
azalynessentially he has a very patronizing attitude.Nov 19 17:36
DaemonFCeven when it costs performanceNov 19 17:36
DaemonFCand no matter what the cost to performance isNov 19 17:36
MinceRazalyn: yes, but that doesn't turn HURD into a bad idea.Nov 19 17:37
azalyninstead of talking about the issues, he just thinks he's right. regardless.Nov 19 17:37
DaemonFCit's too lopsided to ever be a model for a general purpose OSNov 19 17:37
MinceRDaemonFC: the performace of hardware rises so quickly that even now we're regularly doing things that didn't seem to be feasible in the pastNov 19 17:37
DaemonFCright, but I want more speed!Nov 19 17:37
DaemonFCmoar speed!Nov 19 17:37
DaemonFCWarp factor 10.1 Mr. MinceRNov 19 17:38
azalynthe problem in my view with microkernels.. is that i think they were designed more for a proprietary business model. where there are untrusted modules in kernel mode.Nov 19 17:38
DaemonFCI SAID WARP 10.1!Nov 19 17:38
MinceRmodern systems can afford a lot of overhead in the service of things such as reliability, security and flexibilityNov 19 17:38
DaemonFCI don't care about the plasma mixture ratio causing a warp core breach now and thenNov 19 17:38
DaemonFCI said MOAR SPEED!!!Nov 19 17:38
azalyni don't know about you guys, but with a fully opensource stack, linux systems are extremely rock solid...Nov 19 17:38
*MinceR installs OS/2 WARP 10.1 on DaemonFC's PCNov 19 17:38
MinceRi have yet to see a fully "open source" stack on my boxen :>Nov 19 17:38
MinceRit would be nice, certainlyNov 19 17:39
DaemonFCsameNov 19 17:39
DaemonFCI transition over as it becomes feasibleNov 19 17:39
MinceRsame hereNov 19 17:39
DaemonFCuntil then, proprietary is a fact of lifeNov 19 17:39
azalyni've been running linux since slackware 7.1, and that's *with* proprietary modules, and i've had uptimes of 6 months or more. the only time i'd reboot is when there was a power outage..Nov 19 17:39
azalynX did crash sometimes, but that's another story.Nov 19 17:39
azalynMinceR: i'm talking in kernel mode though.Nov 19 17:39
DaemonFCif there's absolutely nothing that can work as well as a proprietary component, I will use the proprietary componentNov 19 17:40
azalynif i upgrade to radeon opensource. then i'd have a fully opensource stack in kernel mode on my system.Nov 19 17:40
MinceRmy home server didn't reboot since i installed a UPS under itNov 19 17:40
DaemonFCI won't be happy about it, but I can hold my nose and at least it works until something credible replaces itNov 19 17:40
MinceRmore than 3 months agoNov 19 17:40
DaemonFCthankfully those situations are far more rare these daysNov 19 17:40
azalynbut in any case, you guys are both missing the point...Nov 19 17:40
MinceRazalyn: what about your WLAN adapters?Nov 19 17:41
MinceRand the BIOS?Nov 19 17:41
azalynthe point is that switching to microkernels would only have the benefit of allowing untrusted components to exist in kernel mode. and the linux project has never cared about that. they don't even want a stable kernel ABI for drivers.Nov 19 17:41
DaemonFCpeople forget how GNU started outNov 19 17:41
DaemonFCit's the reason we still suffer from GNU autocrap Nov 19 17:42
DaemonFCeven though autocrap makes no senseNov 19 17:42
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 17:42
azalynMinceR: bios does exist in full privilege mode.. but it's not part of the kernel..Nov 19 17:42
azalynthe solution to that is coreboot.. but i admit i don't have it on my system.Nov 19 17:42
azalynyet.Nov 19 17:42
DaemonFCaqutocrap = automake and autoconfNov 19 17:42
azalyni don't have wlan on my desktop. and most of those cards these days have opensource drivers.Nov 19 17:42
DaemonFCthey last made sense when GNU was making free replacements to proprietary UNIX stuff back in the 80s and 90sNov 19 17:43
DaemonFCand the only thing they had to run on was proprietary UNIXNov 19 17:43
azalynyou can use whatever build system you want..Nov 19 17:44
azalynuse scons if you want.Nov 19 17:44
DaemonFCautocrap doesn't even help you at all on WindowsNov 19 17:44
azalynno one forces you to use automake/autoconfNov 19 17:44
DaemonFCsince you need a bourne shell to run any of itNov 19 17:44
MinceRDaemonFC: autoconfuse?Nov 19 17:44
MinceRazalyn: actually, a microkernel would have more benefits than thatNov 19 17:44
MinceRbut it's not applicable to the Linux kernelNov 19 17:44
DaemonFCno, I only deal with autocrap when some bonehead decided to base their build system on itNov 19 17:44
azalynon windows, automake/autoconf support would have to be provided by the IDE i suppose. with it's own bourne shell in cygwin or something.Nov 19 17:44
DaemonFCfor some unholy reasonNov 19 17:44
MinceRDaemonFC: you can run a bourne shell on winblows, via cygwin :>Nov 19 17:45
DaemonFCright, but it completely eviscerates the claim of not needing huge dependenciesNov 19 17:45
DaemonFCso it is fucking pointlessNov 19 17:45
DaemonFCfucking stupidNov 19 17:45
DaemonFCand whoever promotes it should be fucking shotNov 19 17:45
DaemonFCcan I be any clearer about what I think of GNU autocrap? :)Nov 19 17:46
azalynMinceR: i don't see more benefits. my point is that opensource's peer review will solve the stability issues for most people. even if microkernels can provide something "better", most people will not care because uptimes of well over a year (which linux is capable of already) are "more than good enough" for desktops.Nov 19 17:46
azalynand as for servers, that is an even more hopeless situation for microkernels..Nov 19 17:46
DaemonFCthere's scons and cmake, far from perfect but much much much better than autocrapNov 19 17:47
azalynbecause of clustered/cloud hosting. you don't need 100% stability. you can just reboot a node. no problem.Nov 19 17:47
DaemonFCyou'd have to almost try to do worse than autocrapNov 19 17:47
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MinceRazalyn: i don't believe in "good enough"Nov 19 17:47
MinceRsystems can be improved foreverNov 19 17:48
MinceRand with a microkernel, you can just "reboot" a part of the system that would normally be a part of the kernelNov 19 17:48
azalynDaemonFC: most people don't consider bash to be a big dependency, since it's already on every system "that matters". and people don't think windows 'matters' :PNov 19 17:48
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DaemonFCWindows only matters in the sense that free software which is not a huge deal to port and won't detract from how it works on free operating systems should have a Windows portNov 19 17:49
azalynMinceR: i know about that. but that's not very useful in practice.Nov 19 17:49
azalynplan9 was 'better' than unix, and never took off.Nov 19 17:49
azalynand likely never will, because plan9 is now outdated, and linux/unix has already hijacked all of it's good ideas.Nov 19 17:50
MinceRplan 9 had almost no community behind itNov 19 17:50
DaemonFCcode punted over a wallNov 19 17:50
DaemonFCalmost never has a communityNov 19 17:50
MinceRit has less good ideas that gnu/linux doesn't have now than gnu/linux has that it doesn't haveNov 19 17:50
azalynand microkernels on the other hand have so much support... that's why hurd has been in standstill forever.Nov 19 17:51
MinceRthey don't have enough supportNov 19 17:51
MinceRand they're difficultNov 19 17:51
DaemonFCthey bit off more than they could chewNov 19 17:51
DaemonFCand got supplanted by LinuxNov 19 17:51
DaemonFCend of storyNov 19 17:51
MinceRwhich is why hurd has trouble managing the multi-server modelNov 19 17:51
DaemonFCand they'll never get over itNov 19 17:51
MinceRyeah, just like we never got over single-task OS-es and real modeNov 19 17:52
MinceRand virtual memory never succededNov 19 17:52
MinceR:>Nov 19 17:52
azalyni agree that systems will always get "better and better", MinceR. however, some problems are complex and you can't have your cake and eat it too... microkernel vs performance is one of those issues.. and i guarantee you, that given that we're talking about uptimes measured in years with linux, people will always choose performance.Nov 19 17:52
DaemonFCless elegant solutions with staying power usually win over ambitious goals with no resources behind themNov 19 17:52
DaemonFCgo figureNov 19 17:52
azalynbecause the stability is good enough.Nov 19 17:52
azalynmost people will not sacrifice *noticeable* performance, for *unnoticeable* stability. and this is the core of my argument.Nov 19 17:53
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DaemonFC"GNOME Shell and Unity are a bad joke, and a cruel farce, respectively. "Nov 19 17:54
MinceRazalyn: did people choose performance when it came to virtualization, memory protection, interpreted code and sandboxing?Nov 19 17:54
MinceRdid people choose performance when it came to abstraction of hardware?Nov 19 17:55
azalynyes, actually. to varying degrees. those are multiple questions wrapped into one though, so it would require a more elaborate answer.Nov 19 17:55
MinceRdid people choose performance when it came to higher-level languages than assembly?Nov 19 17:55
MinceRyes, to such a degrees that they've accepted the overhead of all of these technologies, for the aforementioned reasonsNov 19 17:55
azalynlike i said, everything is a trade off. what i'm saying is that the trade off for microkernels will *never* be worth it to most people.Nov 19 17:56
MinceRwhat i'm saying is that the tradeoff for microkernels will become undetectable, if it is not alreadyNov 19 17:56
MinceRwhile the gains in reliability and security will always be thereNov 19 17:56
azalynvirtualization only really started to take off after hypervisors were adopted, and hardware virtualization, which drastically cut down the overhead.. before that, the performance reduction was unacceptable to most people. now the performance overhead is negligible.Nov 19 17:57
azalynwhat i've read says that context switch overhead keeps growing.Nov 19 17:57
azalynor keeps getting worse rather.Nov 19 17:58
MinceRactually there are widely used techologies that reduce itNov 19 17:59
MinceRmulticore CPUs and hyperthreading, for exampleNov 19 17:59
azalynmemory protection is a case where the benefits were worth it for most people, because without it, every single app can crash the system. hence the slowdown becomes worth it for most. back then you could lock up systems daily if you did the wrong thing.. that's not the situation we're in now.Nov 19 18:00
MinceRjust like memory protection, microkernels can keep from every single driver from crashing the systemNov 19 18:00
MinceRand any service that would be part of a monolithic kernelNov 19 18:00
azalynright now we have systems with uptimes measured in years, and you're asking people to sacrifice performance for no reason. also, even small overhead can add up in certain applications. i would like to see how a game would perform on the hurd.Nov 19 18:01
azalynor any other microkernel.Nov 19 18:01
MinceRno, not for "no reason"Nov 19 18:01
azalynok, for the tiny benefit of rebooting kernel services.. something that most people don't really care about.Nov 19 18:02
azalyni'm saying that all of the benefits are things that most people don't want or need.Nov 19 18:02
azalynunlike all the other examples you gaveNov 19 18:02
MinceRi disagreeNov 19 18:03
azalynthe other examples at least have some niche.. where as i see not even a niche for microkernels..Nov 19 18:03
azalynthey are forever trapped in academia.. although people swayed by buzzwords might find them interesting.Nov 19 18:03
MinceRyes, i must be swayed by buzzwords if i appreciate reliability and securityNov 19 18:05
azalynas for assembly. again, in that case, the benefits were too significant. assembly traps you on one architecture.. C lets you run anywhere, and is *almost* as fast with a good compiler. why not ask instead why even higher level languages have not succeeded in displacing C? you think it's just because of momentum/popularity and legacy code? i don't think so.Nov 19 18:05
DaemonFC    GNOME Shell and Unity are a bad joke, and a cruel farce, respectively. Nov 19 18:06
DaemonFCoopsNov 19 18:06
DaemonFCgrrNov 19 18:06
DaemonFC 19 18:06
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DaemonFCdamn klipper to hellNov 19 18:06
MinceRin part because many people are apparently incapable of understanding OOP or C++Nov 19 18:06
DaemonFC"The amusing thing about the minimal protections of the BSD license, wrt copyright preservation, is that companies like Apple can comply with the license by putting the copyright somewhere you'll never see it and calling it OS X."Nov 19 18:07
azalynMinceR: i didn't say you were. i am generalizing for the purpose of making a point. technology needs a market to take off. and not just a bunch of random visionaries, but a real market. why exactly would anyone want to choose a microkernel over say, vxworks, for their embedded product?Nov 19 18:07
MinceRsee above.Nov 19 18:07
azalynerr, nevermind about vxworks.Nov 19 18:08
MinceRyeah, funny thingNov 19 18:09
azalynwhen i said C, i was including C++Nov 19 18:09
MinceRthey did choose a microkernelNov 19 18:09
MinceRC++ is a pretty high-level languageNov 19 18:09
azalynyes but compiled it's nearly as fast as CNov 19 18:09
azalynif the performance tradeoff was too high, i don't think it would've taken off.Nov 19 18:10
MinceRit's more like that you can't avoid the performance tradeoffs for the extra things it lets you do anywayNov 19 18:10
azalynthat's also one reason that java has taken off over the years.. they've apparently managed to severely cut down on performance degradation. although it still seems to eat a lot of memory.Nov 19 18:10
azalynmany people hate java precisely for that reason.Nov 19 18:11
MinceRjava still has overhead, and will keep having itNov 19 18:11
MinceRyet it's successfulNov 19 18:11
azalynit's successful mostly in business. because human labor costs more than cpu power.Nov 19 18:11
azalynlook how easy it was for utorrent to usurp azureus.Nov 19 18:12
MinceRwhich is not performanceNov 19 18:12
MinceRso yes, performance isn't always the most important thingNov 19 18:12
MinceRi almost did mention development cost as one of the things people trade performance forNov 19 18:12
azalyni never said it was. but my point is that for the mass market, the benefits aren't worth it for microkernels.Nov 19 18:12
MinceRi just thought the others are better reasons :>Nov 19 18:13
DaemonFCIndiana DMV sent me a letter asking me to renew my driver's license onlineNov 19 18:19
DaemonFCit expires in AprilNov 19 18:19
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DaemonFCso I renewed it online, used my email addressNov 19 18:19
DaemonFCand opted to receive a non-REAL ID licenseNov 19 18:20
DaemonFC;)Nov 19 18:20
DaemonFCstate law says you can do that as long as you've had a non-compliant license beforeNov 19 18:20
MinceRFalse ID?Nov 19 18:20
DaemonFCno, it's a federal ID systemNov 19 18:20
DaemonFCimplemented through state drivers licensesNov 19 18:20
DaemonFCI chose to have a non-compliant licenseNov 19 18:20
DaemonFCto hamper the fedsNov 19 18:20
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 18:20
MinceRUnreal IDNov 19 18:21
DaemonFCwith a compliant license, it means the feds have an easier time getting all your driver's license informationNov 19 18:21
DaemonFCwithout having to ask the state to provide itNov 19 18:21
DaemonFCthe state always doesNov 19 18:21
DaemonFCbut it gives them another step to have to takeNov 19 18:21
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DaemonFCthe only reason for REAL ID is so the feds never have to ask the state to turn over the dataNov 19 18:22
DaemonFCso if more people demanded non compliant licenses, it would undo the purpose of that lawNov 19 18:22
DaemonFCI like the online DMV systemNov 19 18:23
DaemonFCit keeps me from having to wait for a few hours to get anything renewedNov 19 18:23
DaemonFCwhile some fucktwit state employee mashes on their keyboard like they're sitting at an IBM XTNov 19 18:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] [ABC News] #Facebook admits creating 90 days web tracking history on members and nonmembers. 19 18:24
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DaemonFCand saying "Duh, why isn't this thing working, let me get a 500 pound supervisor over here"Nov 19 18:24
DaemonFC"It's the NEW SYSTEM you see" Nov 19 18:25
*DaemonFC peeks over and sees her using Windows XP with IE 7Nov 19 18:25
*DaemonFC gets that tingling in his stomachNov 19 18:25
MinceRlolNov 19 18:25
DaemonFCbut the state website uses LinuxNov 19 18:26
DaemonFCit's SUSE LinuxNov 19 18:26
azalynby the way MinceR, no hard feelings eh? a good flamewar every now and then does the body good.Nov 19 18:26
DaemonFCbut at least it is LinuxNov 19 18:26
azalyn:DNov 19 18:26
DaemonFCI feel slightly more confident that some spyware running on the DMV's XP terminal isn't sending all my information to Mother RussiaNov 19 18:26
DaemonFCbut only slightlyNov 19 18:27
MinceRazalyn: noneNov 19 18:27
DaemonFCI'm not confident in the security of your Windows based backend. But I know Microsoft has probably bribed you with something or slipped in some of their moles to pay off the people buying this crap. I fully expect this comment to be ignored. If it is read, please try not to smirk, I know you just work here. ;)Nov 19 18:29
DaemonFCmy response to their surveyNov 19 18:29
DaemonFC"You have been invited to hook up for sex"Nov 19 18:30
DaemonFCdamn you hotmail!Nov 19 18:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] NYPD cop pushes judge. (Boing Boing) via @parlementumNov 19 18:31
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DaemonFCputting sex invitations in my junk folder!!!!Nov 19 18:31
DaemonFC;)Nov 19 18:31
DaemonFCI also qualify for fast loansNov 19 18:31
DaemonFCViagraNov 19 18:31
DaemonFCCanadian pharmaciesNov 19 18:31
DaemonFCand pirated Microsoft softwareNov 19 18:32
DaemonFCthe good thingsNov 19 18:32
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 18:32
schestowitzDaemonFC: happy endinghsNov 19 19:01
schestowitzRe: Story with a happy endingNov 19 19:01
schestowitz> *Last night mom and I had a terrible spat about a stupid issue.*Nov 19 19:01
schestowitz> Nov 19 19:01
schestowitz> * *Nov 19 19:01
schestowitz> Nov 19 19:01
schestowitz> *She wasn’t home and the dishwasher had a full load; I was running shortNov 19 19:01
schestowitz> of silverware, so I ran a wash.*Nov 19 19:01
schestowitz> Nov 19 19:01
schestowitz> * *Nov 19 19:01
schestowitz> Nov 19 19:01
schestowitz> *She has told me in the past not to run the dishwasher. Why? I don’tNov 19 19:01
schestowitz> know! Maybe she just feels that’s her domain.*Nov 19 19:01
schestowitz> Nov 19 19:01
schestowitz> * *Nov 19 19:01
schestowitz> Nov 19 19:02
schestowitz> *When she came home and found I had done a wash she went ballistic andNov 19 19:02
schestowitz> then I went nuclear.*Nov 19 19:02
schestowitz> Nov 19 19:02
schestowitz> *Ingratitude hurts but getting attacked for doing a favor is much worse.*Nov 19 19:02
schestowitz> Nov 19 19:02
schestowitz> * *Nov 19 19:02
schestowitz> Nov 19 19:02
schestowitz> *I told her I am e-mailing Julie to cancel my birthday dinner on SundayNov 19 19:02
schestowitz> and I’m not talking to her.*Nov 19 19:02
schestowitz> Nov 19 19:02
schestowitz> * *Nov 19 19:02
schestowitz> Nov 19 19:02
schestowitz> *This morning she gave me the attached birthday card.*Nov 19 19:02
schestowitz> Nov 19 19:02
schestowitz> * *Nov 19 19:02
schestowitz> Nov 19 19:02
schestowitz> *The good news! We kissed and made up and we are going to my birthdayNov 19 19:02
schestowitz> dinner.*Nov 19 19:02
schestowitz^^ my cousin in Florida..Nov 19 19:02
DaemonFCgood godNov 19 19:02
DaemonFCFamily is family isn't it?Nov 19 19:02
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 19:02
schestowitzGuess soNov 19 19:03
schestowitzDaemonFC: did part of your family ostracise you?Nov 19 19:03
schestowitzlike grandma RobertsonNov 19 19:03
DaemonFCnot the ones I liked to begin withNov 19 19:03
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schestowitzwith her no-clcohol policyNov 19 19:03
DaemonFCso it's all goodNov 19 19:03
schestowitzand no gaysNov 19 19:03
schestowitzyour mom's exNov 19 19:04
DaemonFCthe evil inbred sheep shagger familyNov 19 19:04
DaemonFCGonad's that isNov 19 19:04
schestowitzyour( ex dad) does not like you after getting those papersNov 19 19:04
DaemonFCmine isn't that badNov 19 19:04
schestowitzBut then again he's not a person... he's an ANIMAL :-)Nov 19 19:04
schestowitznot a veyr ptent one nonethelessNov 19 19:05
schestowitzAnimal in need of "happy endings" pillNov 19 19:05
DaemonFChappy endings, patented by pfizerNov 19 19:06
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 19:06
schestowitz4 minutes for Gonad, 4 hours for the restNov 19 19:06
schestowitz"start the clock...NOW!" -GonadNov 19 19:07
DaemonFCyeah, the stuff is even better when you don't have erectile dysfunctionNov 19 19:07
DaemonFCI wonder how many men exaggerate their problem to get a bottle of that stuffNov 19 19:07
schestowitzso basically he's just an oversized silly man with no blood going to the brain and the other areaNov 19 19:07
schestowitzhe just pumps blood to the other partsNov 19 19:08
DaemonFCMedicare pays for 90 years olds to get bonersNov 19 19:08
DaemonFCthey don't pay for life saving care for 20 year oldsNov 19 19:08
schestowitzDaemonFC: ah, this stuff is prescription based?Nov 19 19:08
DaemonFCsee what the AARP lobbyists have accomplished?Nov 19 19:08
schestowitzheheNov 19 19:08
schestowitzit kills them earlyNov 19 19:08
schestowitzbut happilyNov 19 19:08
schestowitzless for insurance pots to pay inNov 19 19:09
schestowitzIt's like happy endings, but the endings mean ending of lifeNov 19 19:09
schestowitzA massage parlour with happy ending is just euthanasia in disguise thenNov 19 19:13
schestowitz"lol! " 19 19:13
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schestowitz "@tolerance, I can't, actually, all that I have are various Linux distros and an old OS/2 Warp4 installation CD. I've never tried with that, but something tells me operating systems from the mid- to late nineties might not work well on my relatively new laptop from 2004."Nov 19 19:13
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DaemonFCsounds like something out of Soylent GreenNov 19 19:21
schestowitzI'll go make some tuna in mayo... need to get some proteinNov 19 19:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is with 37 dents!Nov 19 19:24
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DaemonFCJamie Zawinski "Sure Sunbird has bugs, I could fix them, but I'll just use iCal and look the other way when Apple fucks me and I can't do anything about it"Nov 19 19:31
DaemonFC"lalala"Nov 19 19:31
DaemonFCthat one makes me laugh every time I see it surface Nov 19 19:32
DaemonFCa few years later and he's bitching about Apple iCloud malfunctioning and not syncing his shit properlyNov 19 19:32
DaemonFCand there's nothing he can do to fix itNov 19 19:32
DaemonFCthings come full circleNov 19 19:32
DaemonFCfor a genius, he sure is stupid sometimesNov 19 19:33
schestowitzcults transcend logicNov 19 19:33
schestowitzDaemonFC: US immigration you'd think: 19 19:34
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MinceR:>Nov 19 19:38
DaemonFCLove the helmet, it really nails the whole stupid Nazi-esqe feel of that pictureNov 19 19:40
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schestowitzDaemonFC: he needs to protect himself from that rioting mob on the groundNov 19 19:42
DaemonFCmight have to bust out the rubber bullets, tasers , and batonsNov 19 19:44
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 19:45
schestowitzThis looks like a campus photoNov 19 19:45
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DaemonFCyes, I knew about thatNov 19 19:48
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DaemonFCI'm wondering when they'll murder someone this timeNov 19 19:48
DaemonFCthey've nearly succeeded a few timesNov 19 19:48
DaemonFCStill ALive as a midi fileNov 19 19:55
DaemonFChah!Nov 19 19:55
schestowitzit wasn't murderNov 19 19:57
schestowitzbut it was no happy ending, eitherNov 19 19:57
schestowitzno euthanasiaNov 19 19:57
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DaemonFC:)Nov 19 20:05
DaemonFCthis is off keyNov 19 20:05
DaemonFCthe midi mapper in Windows 98 did OK with itNov 19 20:05
DaemonFCouchNov 19 20:05
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DaemonFC:)Nov 19 20:06
DaemonFCI compiled Gens for LinuxNov 19 20:10
DaemonFCit hasn't been maintained in foreverNov 19 20:10
DaemonFCit's under the GPL 2 and builds and still works better than the rest thoughNov 19 20:10
DaemonFCto further the abomination Nov 19 20:13
DaemonFCI got an XBOX 360 controller left over from a dead XBOX 360 to work with itNov 19 20:14
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 20:14
DaemonFCI had to use its own calibration system though, which is impossible to set up with the GUI it providesNov 19 20:14
DaemonFCso I ended up spending about an hour editing the config file to map the XBOX 360 controller as joystick settings to get as close as possible the Sega Genesis controller as I couldNov 19 20:15
DaemonFCand it works....surprisingly wellNov 19 20:15
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 20:15
DaemonFCthere's a surprising number of lines to fill in and if you get something just slightly off, it can ruin the gameNov 19 20:17
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DaemonFCsurprisinglyNov 19 20:19
DaemonFCthey must have gotten their fucking +1 logo on every site by nowNov 19 20:19
DaemonFC:PNov 19 20:20
DaemonFCusually you can beat people into using something if you shove it in their face enoughNov 19 20:20
DaemonFCYes, the story is true. At least according to Lucovsky. Microsoft calls it a “gross exaggeration,” but Lucovsky says that when he walked into Ballmer’s office and told the Microsoft CEO he was leaving the company for Google, Ballmer picked up his chair and chucked it across the room. “Why does that surprise anyone?” Lucovsky tells, seven years later. “If you play golf with Steve and he loses a five-cent bet, he’s pissy for Nov 19 20:21
DaemonFCthe next week. Should it surprise you that when I tell Steve I’m quitting and going to work for Google, he would get animated?”Nov 19 20:21
DaemonFClolNov 19 20:21
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MinceRAnimate Dead? :>Nov 19 20:27
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DaemonFC"WHO LIVES IN A PINEAPPLE UNDER THE SEA?! No one thanks to BP."Nov 19 20:28
DaemonFClolNov 19 20:28
DaemonFCOil Ocean ZoneNov 19 20:30
DaemonFCthat's what you call the Gulf of Mexico nowNov 19 20:30
MinceR:>Nov 19 20:33
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MinceRhey, at least it isn't Acid Ocean from CarmageddonNov 19 20:34
DaemonFCyou go swimming, watch out for oil, mutant octopuses, and Mexican drug submarines Nov 19 20:36
DaemonFCif you see tarballs washing ashore, rest assured that the Governor of Mississippi says it's normalNov 19 20:36
DaemonFC:)Nov 19 20:36
DaemonFCso safe you could eat themNov 19 20:37
DaemonFCpure as the driven snowNov 19 20:37
DaemonFCA little benzene never killed anyoneNov 19 20:37
DaemonFCright MinceR?Nov 19 20:37
MinceRdepending on how you define "a little" :>Nov 19 20:41
DaemonFCtarballsNov 19 20:43
DaemonFChundreds of themNov 19 20:43
DaemonFCtotally normalNov 19 20:43
DaemonFCpure as the driven snowNov 19 20:43
DaemonFCB-)Nov 19 20:43
DaemonFCdriven snow from a Chinese soot cloudNov 19 20:44
DaemonFCbut driven snow, nonethelessNov 19 20:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Just logged out of #Jaiku for what I expect to be my last time ever. Impending closure means no fix for the autorepeat issue. #saddayNov 19 20:52
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DaemonFCAndroid on a stickNov 19 20:56
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DaemonFCMore anti-everything else FUD sponsored by CanonicalNov 19 21:10
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MinceRhaven't they co-opted debian already?Nov 19 21:14
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MinceR:>Nov 19 21:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] ah, "organization" is #GitHub jargonNov 19 21:44
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MinceRlolNov 19 21:55
MinceRmy peesee has even moar jeebeesNov 19 21:56
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DaemonFCson of a bitchNov 19 22:31
DaemonFCWhat he hell is this? Windows XP?Nov 19 22:33
DaemonFCKDE recently seems to default to choosing "auto" for systray icon visibilityNov 19 22:33
DaemonFCand getting it wrong a lotNov 19 22:33
DaemonFCand I just fumbled the Konversation oneNov 19 22:33
DaemonFC:PNov 19 22:33
DaemonFCwhile I was in there fixing it I set everything I always want to see to always visibleNov 19 22:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] 56 days to go until 2012! #LCA2012 Are we excited yet? Have you got your rego in yet? What are you looking forward to?Nov 19 23:02
cubezzzheh, this is pretty funny and unusual:Nov 19 23:06
cubezzz"I once put the green tube from an IBM 5151 display into a Zenith television set. That was *weird*. Not only did I have the only TV set with WordPerfect burn, but everything was really slow and streaky looking, since the phosphor had such a long persistance."Nov 19 23:06
MinceR:)Nov 19 23:12
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DaemonFC:)Nov 19 23:14
DaemonFC"To answer your other question, I don't particularly care where proprietary software developers shove their code, but I could make suggestions. "Nov 19 23:14
prurigrohey all- anyone caught wind of this? http://www.darknetplan.orgNov 19 23:31
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cubezzzif you want an alternative ISP in Canada there are the free-netsNov 19 23:34
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XFaCEhi schestowitz Nov 19 23:45
schestowitzhiNov 19 23:51
XFaCEquestion, how come in none of the patent-related article do you mention that Canada (a fairly important developed country ;) ) doesn't have software patents (for the most part, excluding some Amazon gaffes)?Nov 19 23:55
XFaCEschestowitz: It gives some leverage that software patents aren't mandatoryNov 19 23:55
XFaCE*the concept thatNov 19 23:56
XFaCEnot to say it doesn't already have overwhelming and overflowing leverage. :)Nov 19 23:56
XFaCEoops, forgot schestowitz Nov 19 23:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] the keyboard in !Plasma Active can be used to change the keyboard layout. one of a couple of small but important keyboard changes for PA TwoNov 19 23:57
XFaCEschestowitz: I mean, we always Europe as an example, but Canada's there too you know :DNov 19 23:58

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