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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Back to Rowing http://ur1.ca/5xcuj #rowing #sport | Nov 19 00:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ODAY I began preparing for a rowing competition like those which I have not paricupated in for years. This one will be http://ur1.ca/5xcuj | Nov 19 00:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Back to Rowing .::. Size~: 33.61 KB | Nov 19 00:16 |
| schestowitz | chttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/844105 "Design is abstract by definition; therefore, not substantial." | Nov 19 00:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 19 00:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @julian_dunn Now that's what I call citizen journalism: trial notes from !freebyron checked into @github, by @ch402 http://ur1.ca/5xd4n | Nov 19 00:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] will do :) | Nov 19 00:27 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85463402 | Nov 19 00:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-11 00:05:56 UTC - Identi.ca: Expression With Keyboards, Voice, and Physical/Frontal Interaction http://is.gd/C4DOd8 not written so clearly, but there http://is.gd/7E8Z0K | Nov 19 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85463869 | Nov 19 00:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Why This Blog is Hardly Active Anymore .::. Size~: 34.73 KB | Nov 19 00:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-11 00:24:57 UTC - Identi.ca: Making Spirals in Octave/MATLAB http://is.gd/mZyOYg #math #programming | Nov 19 00:28 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ccasionally, in numerical programming, one may wish to plot or instantiate a grid of a circular (or spiral) nature. Her http://ur1.ca/5xdas | Nov 19 00:32 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Making Spirals in Octave/MATLAB .::. Size~: 35.08 KB | Nov 19 00:32 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 19 00:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Current Members! Join Staff Attorney @JulieSamuels Monday night at EFF's Speakeasy meetup in Chicago! https://eff.org/r.5Gm | Nov 19 00:35 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Members-Only Speakeasy: Chicago | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 17.89 KB | Nov 19 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | "If there's a jesus, I hope it's not Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter's Jesus. The one that wants them to not pay any taxes and wants you to keep dying for them in oil wars. Oh, and this Jesus is an American and only cares about Americans. And not all Americans, just the ones that believe the right to life begins at conception and ends at birth and that we can trash the planet all we want because Jesus will save some Americans before it starts to | Nov 19 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | roast. :)" | Nov 19 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | -me | Nov 19 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | "I went to see the price of these $159.99 I lol'd hard and said no way. Apparently I heard as time goes on these will become super cheap." "Wow, this was really educating. Definitely the most usefully spent 1.5 hours of my day :)" | Nov 19 00:47 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/843144 | Nov 19 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/844936 "What? Saw U there on Thur." | Nov 19 00:48 |
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| cubezzz | join #classiccmp | Nov 19 00:53 |
| schestowitz | forrgt a slash or is it a recommendation? | Nov 19 00:56 |
| cubezzz | both | Nov 19 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Cool :0-) | Nov 19 01:00 |
| cubezzz | ok, I think I've managed to get a decent screenshot | Nov 19 01:02 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: What's wrong with me having a Jabba cat? | Nov 19 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | you posted a link to this and said something about my Jabba cat | Nov 19 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.goldmansachs666.com/2011/11/fannie-freddie-ceo-income-debacle-and.html | Nov 19 01:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Goldman Sachs Information, Comments, Opinions and Facts: The Fannie - Freddie CEO Income Debacle and Real American Hero's .::. Size~: 220.58 KB | Nov 19 01:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 18/11/2011: Android/Google Support at Motorola http://is.gd/Ah9Gj3 !techrights | Nov 19 01:04 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Links 18/11/2011: Android/Google Support at Motorola | Techrights .::. Size~: 113.22 KB | Nov 19 01:04 |
| cubezzz | nice and simple | Nov 19 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | My Jabba cat is more useful than Steve Ballmer and doesn't anyone | Nov 19 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 01:04 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-icewm.png | Nov 19 01:04 |
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| DaemonFC | he's at least neutral to the world | Nov 19 01:04 |
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| cubezzz | I've resolved the ebook problem | Nov 19 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Hi _Goblin | Nov 19 01:09 |
| schestowitz | good morning | Nov 19 01:09 |
| cubezzz | I underestimated how much hackers hate DRM | Nov 19 01:09 |
| schestowitz | I was just about to kick off my backup scripts and hit the bed | Nov 19 01:10 |
| _Goblin | :) | Nov 19 01:11 |
| cubezzz | it seems each ebook manufacturer has their own pet format | Nov 19 01:11 |
| cubezzz | but there's anti-DRM utilities for all of them | Nov 19 01:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/844936 "Nice :D" | Nov 19 01:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 19 01:12 |
| schestowitz | diaspora is fuh... my main place to post these days | Nov 19 01:12 |
| cubezzz | I wonder if bing archived my ms_dirtytricks.txt file | Nov 19 01:13 |
| schestowitz | backup intiated. gn | Nov 19 01:13 |
| cubezzz | lol, they did | Nov 19 01:15 |
| cubezzz | my favourite part: | Nov 19 01:16 |
| cubezzz | Odd how Bill Gates doesn't really like to tell the side of the story where he stole PDP-10 | Nov 19 01:17 |
| cubezzz | time from a Seattle company (which went out of business), one of the Universities in | Nov 19 01:17 |
| cubezzz | Seattle (which kicked him and Paul Allen out when they found out about it), and even | Nov 19 01:17 |
| cubezzz | Harvard University. | Nov 19 01:17 |
| cubezzz | Yes, the PDP-10 time used to run 8080 simulators. Used to write that initial Basic | Nov 19 01:17 |
| cubezzz | interpreter ... stolen. | Nov 19 01:17 |
| cubezzz | Pot. Kettle. Black | Nov 19 01:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] db got borked, mattl is gone and the only one who can fix it :/ | Nov 19 01:22 | |
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| DaemonFC | Nov 19 01:48 | |
| DaemonFC | Why We Can't Comment on Bradley Manning | Nov 19 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | Thank you for signing the petition "Free PFC Bradley Manning, the accused WikiLeaks whistleblower." We appreciate your participation in the We the People platform on WhiteHouse.gov. | Nov 19 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | The We the People Terms of Participation explain that "the White House may decline to address certain procurement, law enforcement, adjudicatory, or similar matters properly within the jurisdiction of federal departments or agencies, federal courts, or state and local government." The military justice system is charged with enforcing the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Accordingly, the White House declines to comment on the specific case raised | Nov 19 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | in this petition. | Nov 19 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | Here's one that would get a No Comment from jono | Nov 19 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65079-Bringing-The-PackageKit-Interface-To-Ubuntu&p=239220#post239220 | Nov 19 01:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bringing The PackageKit Interface To Ubuntu .::. Size~: 63.06 KB | Nov 19 01:51 |
| cubefc1 | the truth is, the core of all these DE's is really xlib | Nov 19 02:02 |
| cubefc1 | learn all the xlib stuff, and you can make your own DE that does what you want | Nov 19 02:02 |
| cubefc1 | e.g. instead of looking at ksnapshot, it's good enough to understand xwd | Nov 19 02:03 |
| cubefc1 | better even | Nov 19 02:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] So much for Whitehouse program - refuses to comment on UN special rapporteur for torture to visit to Bradley Manning http://t.co/D2Srccd6 | Nov 19 02:12 | |
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| DaemonFC | right | Nov 19 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | GTK and Qt and the other toolkits are basically just pretty frontends to xlib | Nov 19 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | that's changing though | Nov 19 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of them are becoming more backend-independent | Nov 19 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | so they can work where you don't run an X server | Nov 19 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | like on Windows or OS X or the upcoming Wayland | Nov 19 02:19 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Why Should We Trust W. H. Dean?: http://bit.ly/v0MDj0 #plr #privatelabelrights #wikiscrape #amwriting #publishing #amazon #scam | Nov 19 02:30 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Why Should We Trust W. H. Dean? | Wayne Borean .::. Size~: 28.33 KB | Nov 19 02:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] old school option helps w/ superior interface. | Nov 19 02:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] I questioned why he was writing old english but pinning it to beowulf is #impressive | Nov 19 02:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] oh yea, the ticket to Austin has just been purchased. | Nov 19 02:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] /me grabs his copy of beowulf | Nov 19 02:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] how does one resize a frame in stumpwm? | Nov 19 03:04 | |
| DaemonFC | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_m0EAfsGJm0/TscOnWtKEwI/AAAAAAAAADw/_Fr3J21PorQ/s1600/job-fails-ritchie-didnt-wear-enough-turtlenecks.jpg | Nov 19 04:13 |
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| B|`endan | probably would have been stronger to focus around the lock-in stuff he did | Nov 19 05:01 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Oh !Canada blogged: The Emperor Has No Clothes ~ !FreeByron http://ur1.ca/5xmas !CDNpoli | Nov 19 07:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] In any Windows incarnation, the setting I'm looking for tends to be in an "advanced" menu, sometimes reinforced with an "advanced" tab. | Nov 19 07:19 | |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/NavinChauhan/status/137728059276140545?iid=am-130280753913216719030109408&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208 | Nov 19 07:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @NavinChauhan: @schestowitz thanks for sharing .octave looks like an interesting language. | Nov 19 07:52 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/844936 | Nov 19 07:55 |
| schestowitz | "Funny true story: When young and working with a group of other young Native American shaman apprentices one sad to me that he'd meet me on the the corner of West Broadway and Canal St., NYC on Thur. at 2:00P. I was there on Thur. and no show. I went back every Thur. at 2:00 for weeks, knowing time was not linear. Then stopped, and that next Thur. there was a knock on the door, opening it my apprentice friend stood there laughing, | Nov 19 07:55 |
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| schestowitz | where were you, you didn't show up." | Nov 19 07:55 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/mgeist/statuses/136462888608079873 | Nov 19 08:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @mgeist: Universal Music Sues Insurer To Pay For Its Copyright Infringement from Canadian copyright class action suit http://t.co/QYSFUHiH | Nov 19 08:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 19 08:03 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/zoobab/statuses/136515911887749120 | Nov 19 08:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @zoobab: @MicrosoftIP Evaluating Software Innovation by the number of patents is plain wrong | Nov 19 08:10 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/rcweir/statuses/136888610514415617 | Nov 19 08:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @rcweir: My Kindle Fire arrived today. Small, but man that is one heavy tablet. The size of a small paperback, the weight of dictionary. | Nov 19 08:15 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FFII/statuses/137573174727553024 | Nov 19 08:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @FFII: @jerezim Thanks for rt. In the ACTA text 'corruption' of foreign govs is called 'technical assistance' and 'capacity building' | Nov 19 08:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] FPDF - Free Portable Document Format - PHP Library (PHP -> PDF) Generate PDF files for FREE http://www.fpdf.org/ #pdf #freedom #php | Nov 19 08:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] LiveUSB Install – Not Just Another Live USB Creator for #Linux http://ur1.ca/5wdcq #usb #gnu #ubuntu | Nov 19 08:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Introduction to LaTeX on Linux http://ur1.ca/5xody #gnu #linux #latex #newbie | Nov 19 08:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Using a Simple Firewall in CentOS 6 http://ur1.ca/5tuac #gnu #linux #centos #software #security #firewall | Nov 19 08:31 | |
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| schestowitz | [01:48] <DaemonFC> Thank you for signing the petition "Free PFC Bradley Manning, the accused WikiLeaks whistleblower." | Nov 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | "It's nit ma DEPARTMENT" | Nov 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | What a joke that site is... pretending the White House listens to people, not corporations | Nov 19 08:32 |
| schestowitz | one petition with 50k signers=one lobbyist? | Nov 19 08:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] An Easier Way to Generate A Public/Private SSH Key Via a GUI http://ur1.ca/5xogo #gnu #linux #key #ssh | Nov 19 08:34 | |
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| schestowitz | " | Nov 19 08:35 |
| schestowitz | Very regrettably, due to a lack of volunteers, new non-GNU project | Nov 19 08:35 |
| schestowitz | submissions are no longer accepted on Savannah, as of | Nov 19 08:35 |
| schestowitz | 9 November 2011. If active volunteers come forward, Savannah | Nov 19 08:35 |
| schestowitz | will be re-opened. | Nov 19 08:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 19 08:35 |
| schestowitz | http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=7017 | Nov 19 08:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: News: new project submissions disabled [Savannah] .::. Size~: 17.83 KB | Nov 19 08:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Install nomachine in RHEL/centos/Fedora http://ur1.ca/5xoh0 #redhat #centos #fedora #nomachine | Nov 19 08:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Doom 3 open-sourcing held up while Carmack writes new code http://ur1.ca/5xoht #doom3 #game #gnu #linux | Nov 19 08:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Red Hat Veteran Putting Eucalyptus on the Open Source Path http://ur1.ca/5xoj9 #redhat #eucalyptus #gnu #linux #software | Nov 19 08:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] First impressions of the Fedora 16 GNOME 3 Live CD http://ur1.ca/5xoki #fedora #software #redhat #gnu #linux | Nov 19 08:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] EU Adopts Resolution Against US Domain Seizures http://ur1.ca/5wdst #eu #internet #freedom | Nov 19 08:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Clegg orders fresh review of UK extradition treaty - http://bit.ly/ryCosT about time | Nov 19 10:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] World's largest 3D painting creates nifty optical illusion - http://bit.ly/rs15sN isn't that just splendid? | Nov 19 10:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] When Whales Walked in Egypt - http://bit.ly/vzsUAk fab headline, marvellous illustration #evolution | Nov 19 10:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] (more) 3D street art around the world - in pictures - http://bit.ly/v6eJhL these really are v clever (v @janetedavis) | Nov 19 10:31 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 3D street art around the world - in pictures | Art and design | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 54.98 KB | Nov 19 10:31 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Microsoft Surface Beaten By 65 Inch #Android Tablet - http://bit.ly/tYjFyV oh, poor little plucky #Microsoft, stuffed again... | Nov 19 11:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] off today to a new hacker space here in Belgrade. hope to meet and hack with some of the city's best and brightest f/oss personalities. | Nov 19 11:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] there's a reason we did not use a spacial metaphore for activities ;) i suggest not thinking in terms of spatial coordinates for activities. | Nov 19 11:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU comes clean on phosphates ban in detergents - http://bit.ly/sjhXrA long overdue #environment | Nov 19 11:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Barnes & Noble Lawyers Up Some More, Finds More Prior Art - http://bit.ly/uH4EMH typically thorough stuff from #groklaw | Nov 19 11:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [avignon] Day 2, Debate: “IP is a universal value” - http://bit.ly/s0XmGI the arrogance & ignorance of the 1% here is staggering | Nov 19 11:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Swedish Study Shows File Sharing And Music Buying Go Hand-In-Hand - http://bit.ly/vseYn1 yet another study confirming this link #spotify | Nov 19 11:52 | |
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| oiaohm | This is very interesting http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/FXI-Technologies-Cotton-Candy/ | Nov 19 12:24 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Nov 19 12:33 |
| oiaohm | Hi MinceR | Nov 19 12:35 |
| oiaohm | seen the Cotton Candy prototype? MinceR | Nov 19 12:36 |
| MinceR | i've just loaded that link | Nov 19 12:36 |
| oiaohm | I have emailed them a few questions. MinceR | Nov 19 12:36 |
| MinceR | interesting stuff | Nov 19 12:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: This is approving temp insanty. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz56RY6OjM4 | Nov 19 12:39 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] terrific entry-level introduction to getting started with KDE development: http://ur1.ca/5xr6q | Nov 19 12:39 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65079-Bringing-The-PackageKit-Interface-To-Ubuntu&p=239264#post239264 | Nov 19 12:53 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: I am not that impressed by that. | Nov 19 12:54 |
| oiaohm | Its another case of be incompadible because we can be. | Nov 19 12:54 |
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| DaemonFC | [QUOTE]fsck tool is old-fashioned. An advanced filesystem should repair any damage as it is detected, like ZFS does.[/QUOTE] | Nov 19 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | Which is a gross misunderstanding of the situation. :) There's actually no reliable way to automatically repair a file system while it's online, much less without asking the user what to do and merely assuming a set of defaults which is likely to destroy data behind his back. Snapshots kind of remedy this problem, but only if you use them and only if the file system is actually in a state for you to mount and do anything with at all. fsck isn't | Nov 19 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | outdated, ZFS is being stupid. :) | Nov 19 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | after the quote is my response | Nov 19 13:17 |
| oiaohm | Really not so DaemonFC. ZFS design is very solid\ | Nov 19 13:21 |
| oiaohm | ZFS in case of too many detected failures will refuse to go read write until they are fixed | Nov 19 13:22 |
| oiaohm | Thing is ZFS does not have to go off line fully to run a repair. | Nov 19 13:22 |
| oiaohm | Ie filesystem in read only to application should be able to be running l ike a fdisk repair at the same time. | Nov 19 13:23 |
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| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65056-FreeBSD-9.0-RC2-Arrives-Late-Pushes-Back-Final&p=239270#post239270 | Nov 19 13:29 |
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| DaemonFC | "Sledgehammers are cool. You won't get any argument from me that sledgehammers are needed and in some cases the only thing that works. FreeBSD is a sledgehammer. Linux is any kind of hammer you want it to be. If you insist on something that can only function as a sledgehammer, I sincerely hope you never have to hang pictures with it." -me | Nov 19 13:29 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: What would you rather buy a PC with Windows 7 or a Mac with OS X? | Nov 19 13:34 |
| sebsebseb | same question to anyone else here who wants to answer that | Nov 19 13:34 |
| DaemonFC | Would I rather have my skin burned off or my eyes gouged out with a fork? | Nov 19 13:35 |
| DaemonFC | I love choices. | Nov 19 13:35 |
| B|`endan | its amusing that you specifically dont call the mac a pc | Nov 19 13:36 |
| sebsebseb | B|`endan: well yeah Macs' are also PC's as well really I know | Nov 19 13:36 |
| digitteknohippie | hrmm, which pc has the better hardware? i'd be wiping it either way. oh wait... buy... neither. pointless tax. i misread, i thought they were being offered for free. | Nov 19 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | they're a really weird PC | Nov 19 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | with EFI violating firmware | Nov 19 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | which is hard to upgrade in most cases without driving to an Apple store 300 miles away and paying them to put in more RAM for you | Nov 19 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | and really expensive | Nov 19 13:37 |
| B|`endan | and designed from the ground up to control you | Nov 19 13:37 |
| sebsebseb | digitteknohippie: yeah Macs's have the better hardware really I guess? or do they? ,but either way can put Linux on there as well | Nov 19 13:37 |
| B|`endan | is it even possible to open them up without an angle grinder? | Nov 19 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather buy a Windows PC and overwrite Windows with a Linux distribution, if only because the Microsoft markup is less obscene than the Apple markup | Nov 19 13:37 |
| B|`endan | better than what? | Nov 19 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | and the hardware on the PC is likely better | Nov 19 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | if you're asking which way I'd rather get to Linux if Microsoft Windows PC or Mac OS PC were my only options | Nov 19 13:38 |
| B|`endan | id be to embarrassed to be seen with a mac so id go for the regular one | Nov 19 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | I already told someone that I would take a Mac, if they gave me one for free/cheap, because there's a decent chance Linux would run on it | Nov 19 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | they hate when you say that | Nov 19 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | Windows yeah yeah done lots of stuff with that of course, Linux distros yep used quite a few, but Mac OS X well | Nov 19 13:39 |
| digitteknohippie | it'd rly depend on the specifics. it's too easy to draw a blanket conclusion that one is better than the other. different needs, different specifics. | Nov 19 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | only really trioed Mac OS X breifuly on someone elses computer in 2007 that was Tiger | Nov 19 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's like you went to their mom's house and shit in her potted plant | Nov 19 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | never really used Mac OS X, and it's meant to be quite good | Nov 19 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 19 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | and if I were to have it I would want to have it legally which would mean buying a Mac | Nov 19 13:39 |
| oiaohm | I have used Mac OS X | Nov 19 13:39 |
| oiaohm | Issue for me is cost vs results. | Nov 19 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | also this computer sucks a bit that I am on now really, it's from March 2007 | Nov 19 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Most of the time Mac OS X is too expensive. | Nov 19 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | can't do hardware virtualisation | Nov 19 13:40 |
| digitteknohippie | i'd rather just use a deal bsd. | Nov 19 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | the hard disk is only 250GB, oh sure I got an external hard disk, well kind of now | Nov 19 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | 1TB | Nov 19 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | never let kids near your stuff like that, I learnt the other day | Nov 19 13:40 |
| digitteknohippie | rather than mac's borked bsd riddled with pseudo free software, and proprietaryware. | Nov 19 13:40 |
| B|`endan | ive never used os x for more than a minute, and yet i managed to explain to my brother over the phone how to change the display settings | Nov 19 13:40 |
| oiaohm | digitteknohippie: bsd is dead at the moment until they get dri2 support requirements sorted out. | Nov 19 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | and this new case it's in, now the power socket has some issue, probably since how I unplugged it and uh | Nov 19 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | I managed to crash a demo Mac by clicking on Safari | Nov 19 13:41 |
| MinceR | 143554 < sebsebseb> DaemonFC: What would you rather buy a PC with Windows 7 or a Mac with OS X? | Nov 19 13:41 |
| MinceR | a non-dHell, non-crApple PC | Nov 19 13:41 |
| MinceR | then i'd install an OS on it | Nov 19 13:41 |
| DaemonFC | the funny thing is the Apple "Genius" standing next to me was at a total loss for words | Nov 19 13:41 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: is OS X worth buying really? | Nov 19 13:41 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: yes very propritary and all that I know, but from a user point of view, is it worth buying? | Nov 19 13:41 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Remember I am very secuirty minded. | Nov 19 13:41 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: both OS X and Windows secuirty designs make Ubuntu look great. | Nov 19 13:41 |
| oiaohm | And by my standards ubuntu is completely trash. | Nov 19 13:42 |
| MinceR | you can replace both MacOS and winblows with GNU/Linux, but crApple hardware is horribly crap | Nov 19 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | Genius = high school dropout that explains computers using technobabble and Mac OS advertising | Nov 19 13:42 |
| MinceR | nah, you can make ubuntu work better than either | Nov 19 13:42 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh so your saying Ubuntu is much more secure than Windows and OS X, but Ubuntu it self isn't really that secure? | Nov 19 13:42 |
| MinceR | it's just easier and nicer to start out with a better distro | Nov 19 13:42 |
| sebsebseb | anyway Mac's are still like double the price of standard PC's as far as I know | Nov 19 13:42 |
| B|`endan | DaemonFC: did you know about this? http://www.defectivebydesign.org/apple-challenge pretty funny | Nov 19 13:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ask Apple about the iPhone | DefectiveByDesign.org .::. Size~: 35.94 KB | Nov 19 13:43 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: simple fact Ubuntu applies patches a lot that alter how secuirty and other key things operate in kernel that are not peer reviewed. | Nov 19 13:43 |
| sebsebseb | plus I know that if going to do things legally and not wanting to pay for the OS upgrade, stuck with the one that got, and that's that, well Windows tends to be like that as well | Nov 19 13:43 |
| DaemonFC | The only thing OS X has going for it is that it's not Windows, and some of the very dated components Apple took from FreeBSD still work | Nov 19 13:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 13:43 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: so you cannot use a clean stock kernel with Ubuntu | Nov 19 13:43 |
| MinceR | it manages to be somehow even worse than winblows | Nov 19 13:43 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: or simply apply an hardered kernel to it. | Nov 19 13:43 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I am thinking about maybe buying something something portable, a Mac? hmm probably not, some sort of tablet hmm maybe, do they have big hard disks in them any of them 1TB or so? NO? | Nov 19 13:43 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: basically Ubuntu is crap by secuirty standards. | Nov 19 13:43 |
| MinceR | afaik plain tablets usually have no HDDs at all | Nov 19 13:44 |
| MinceR | tablet PCs often do, though | Nov 19 13:44 |
| MinceR | (mine does) | Nov 19 13:44 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yeah something tells me tablets dont' have much space for data in general | Nov 19 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: OS SuX or FreeBDSM | Nov 19 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | think fast | Nov 19 13:44 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: did you see my link earlier. | Nov 19 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 13:44 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: the latter. | Nov 19 13:44 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/FXI-Technologies-Cotton-Candy/ Yes warped name. | Nov 19 13:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: USB stick packs ARM Cortex-A9 CPU, runs Android or Ubuntu - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 54.79 KB | Nov 19 13:45 |
| B|`endan | what is an example of good security then? | Nov 19 13:45 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: of course I have emailed the maker asking if there are other distributiosn I will be allowed to be installed. | Nov 19 13:45 |
| oiaohm | B|`endan: read the DOJ rainbow books | Nov 19 13:46 |
| *sebsebseb really doesn't like the power socket stupid round one, on his new external hard disk case | Nov 19 13:46 | |
| *sebsebseb really is not happy that the old case broke in the first place as well, since he let someone else to close to it hmm | Nov 19 13:46 | |
| sebsebseb | yeah the USB broke on my actsaul case | Nov 19 13:46 |
| B|`endan | doj rainbow books? | Nov 19 13:47 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Series B|`endan these explain all the basic ways to working out if a OS is secure or crap. | Nov 19 13:47 |
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| DaemonFC | sponsored by Microsoft? | Nov 19 13:47 |
| B|`endan | looks like that take a hell of a lot of time to go through | Nov 19 13:49 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: No http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Criteria is the Microsoft funded one. | Nov 19 13:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Common Criteria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 88.43 KB | Nov 19 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Ever since they swaped to Common Criteria has there secuirty breachs gone up. | Nov 19 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | they made one so watered down that even Windows XP could pass it | Nov 19 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | and made it an ISO standard | Nov 19 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | just...wow | Nov 19 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 13:50 |
| oiaohm | Yep XP could never pass the rainbow books. | Nov 19 13:50 |
| oiaohm | B|`endan: secuirty done properly is not simple. | Nov 19 13:50 |
| B|`endan | us gov dont use windows then i guess | Nov 19 13:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ASUS Ubuntu Netbooks Launch in 100 Portuguese Stores http://ur1.ca/5xrrx #asus #laptop #hardware #gnu #linux #software | Nov 19 13:51 | |
| DaemonFC | they do | Nov 19 13:51 |
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| DaemonFC | sometimes | Nov 19 13:51 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: back in the days of rainbow Unix systems ruled the mil. | Nov 19 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | I have a feeling they only use Windows on unimportant or unnetworked systems, or as bait | Nov 19 13:51 |
| B|`endan | is there a distribution which puts much effort into security? | Nov 19 13:51 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Un important? | Nov 19 13:51 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: today they are flying preditior drones with live weapons by windows. | Nov 19 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | you know, accidentally put "classified" but really bogus and misleading information on a Windows server for the Chinese to steal | Nov 19 13:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Sarkozy veut interdire les sites de streaming dans une Hadopi 3 http://ur1.ca/5xrsg #sarkozy #france #hadopi #censorship #internet #media | Nov 19 13:52 | |
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| MinceR | hm, i didn't know CC was m$ | Nov 19 13:52 |
| MinceR | i thought they flew predator drones by vxWorks, not by winblows | Nov 19 13:53 |
| MinceR | btw, Rainbow Books is DoD, not DoJ | Nov 19 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | vxworks is a pretty good embedded system | Nov 19 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | nonfree, but technically good | Nov 19 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | those Mars rovers run it | Nov 19 13:55 |
| B|`endan | so is it pretty brain dead simple to gain access to a xp machine ? | Nov 19 13:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: they did before MS passed Comon crap. | Nov 19 13:56 |
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| oiaohm | B|`endan: The issue is once you are in a XP machine is prity simple to take over the complete system. | Nov 19 13:56 |
| MinceR | vista and vista7 make it even simpler | Nov 19 13:56 |
| B|`endan | so shared systems are no go | Nov 19 13:56 |
| oiaohm | B|`endan: All you need is a flaw in a service on XP and you can move up to system user that can take out everything. | Nov 19 13:57 |
| B|`endan | i was wondering about from external attack | Nov 19 13:57 |
| oiaohm | B|`endan: extenal attacks come in so many forms. | Nov 19 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | from external attack, Server 2008 R2 is much better than Windows 7 | Nov 19 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | but not nearly good enough | Nov 19 13:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] New Zealand: Open government policy a first http://ur1.ca/5wiwa #newzealand #opengov #gnu #linux #politics | Nov 19 13:57 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Own Our Future | Open Government .::. Size~: 19.82 KB | Nov 19 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Simple fact you cannot stop an extental attack from at least some of the time working. B|`endan | Nov 19 13:58 |
| B|`endan | surely they get access to the code before they put it on a mars rover? | Nov 19 13:58 |
| oiaohm | I have screwed a windows machine over from a java applet. | Nov 19 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Ie user allowed a java based chat program on a demo site. | Nov 19 13:58 |
| B|`endan | ive always been interested in seeing how easy it is | Nov 19 13:58 |
| oiaohm | That java program borked a local service | Nov 19 13:58 |
| oiaohm | So result full take over of the machine. | Nov 19 13:59 |
| oiaohm | XP is basically a sitting duck. | Nov 19 13:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] SOPA's latest threat: IP blocking, privacy-busting packet inspection http://ur1.ca/5xrum #sopa #censorship #internet #privacy #security | Nov 19 13:59 | |
| oiaohm | Windows 7 and 2008 is minorally better. | Nov 19 13:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: SOPA's latest threat: IP blocking, privacy-busting packet inspection | Privacy Inc. - CNET News .::. Size~: 74.33 KB | Nov 19 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | B|`endan: Under NDA, NASA got vxworks code to inspect | Nov 19 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's not free or open source | Nov 19 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | or available to the public | Nov 19 13:59 |
| oiaohm | B|`endan: Linux kernel developers have worked out cgroups for sandboxing are required. | Nov 19 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | process ids are unreliable, hard to track, and outright unmanageable | Nov 19 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Unix systems have been doing equal to cgroups for years. | Nov 19 14:00 |
| B|`endan | i think i read about people in space station getting viruses, how come they give them windows?? | Nov 19 14:00 |
| oiaohm | B|`endan: Nothing critical on the space station runs on windows. | Nov 19 14:00 |
| B|`endan | well, their personal computers | Nov 19 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Most personal computers don't work up there by the way. | Nov 19 14:01 |
| B|`endan | oh really, what stops them? | Nov 19 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Ionising radiation. | Nov 19 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Basically cpus that are not built to take that go nuts in space. | Nov 19 14:02 |
| oiaohm | To be correct only limited types of IC's can be used in space. | Nov 19 14:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Self-Published Authors Sharply Criticize Penguin's Book Country - http://bit.ly/vKVvod now *not* to do it... | Nov 19 14:02 | |
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| B|`endan | too dificult to cover up the chips? | Nov 19 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Umm | Nov 19 14:03 |
| oiaohm | The radition up there is blocked by the earth magnetic field. | Nov 19 14:03 |
| oiaohm | And can quite simply pass threw lead steel and most other things you could attempt to use. | Nov 19 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Blocking would basically make the laptop bigger than the space station. | Nov 19 14:03 |
| B|`endan | oh ok | Nov 19 14:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Police officer pepper-sprays seated, non-violent students at UC Davis http://identi.ca/url/60499338 | Nov 19 14:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Photo of the day: police drag #OWS protester by her hair at #N17 http://identi.ca/url/60499386 | Nov 19 14:06 | |
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| oiaohm | B|`endan: The thing is the small the parts are inside the chip the more touchy to radiation it is. | Nov 19 14:07 |
| oiaohm | B|`endan: so lot of off the shelf AVR chips can take more than what is require in earth orbit. | Nov 19 14:08 |
| oiaohm | B|`endan: yet a modern day intel or amd cpu is basically going to be doa. | Nov 19 14:08 |
| oiaohm | B|`endan: Unless they have been special made for up there. | Nov 19 14:10 |
| B|`endan | ok, interesting stuff | Nov 19 14:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Not sure when I will be installing !Mageia 2 Alpha 1, but now I am looking forward to the 25th Nov instead since the #Mageia Alpha 1 delay. | Nov 19 14:11 | |
| B|`endan | does it have much effect on the humans? | Nov 19 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65090-A-Journal-Comes-To-systemd&p=239273#post239273 | Nov 19 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: A Journal Comes To systemd .::. Size~: 62.84 KB | Nov 19 14:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The most popular Linux is... http://ur1.ca/5xs0t #gnu #linux #microsoft #windows #software #computers | Nov 19 14:16 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The most popular Linux is... | ZDNet .::. Size~: 137.04 KB | Nov 19 14:16 |
| MinceR | let's see... ALSA does have sw mixing, PA did have issues, i still have a SoundBlaster that does hardware mixing :> | Nov 19 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | the cheap ones don't | Nov 19 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | ALSA's is crude and has never worked well for me | Nov 19 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | Pulseaudio still has issues, but they are minor and usually flush out broken programs like VLC | Nov 19 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 14:18 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: depends. | Nov 19 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Pulseaudio and Jackaudiio still don't get along | Nov 19 14:19 |
| B|`endan | what distro do you use oiaohm ? | Nov 19 14:20 |
| MinceR | that's a pity, since JACK is precisely where PA should be sending the audio data if you're using an ieee1394 audio device | Nov 19 14:20 |
| oiaohm | B|`endan: My base is debian but its been threw a hardening process. | Nov 19 14:21 |
| oiaohm | so it not stock. | Nov 19 14:21 |
| B|`endan | what ahve you changed? | Nov 19 14:21 |
| oiaohm | I am looking forward to some of the things about systemd to harden system better. | Nov 19 14:21 |
| oiaohm | B|`endan: Its quite a long list. Kernel is built in harded design. So basically 100 percent resistent to buffer overflow attacks. | Nov 19 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Sandboxing around services. | Nov 19 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Proper use of selinux | Nov 19 14:22 |
| oiaohm | that is basically a short form. | Nov 19 14:22 |
| B|`endan | my system is parabola, and i dont know jack about security, so youd probably be disappointed :) | Nov 19 14:23 |
| oiaohm | B|`endan: You have to start someone. | Nov 19 14:24 |
| oiaohm | someone/somewhere | Nov 19 14:24 |
| oiaohm | I am off to bed | Nov 19 14:24 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] First alpha ISO's for !Mageia 2 due on the 25th of November: http://ur1.ca/5xs3c #Mageia 2 Alpha 1 originally planned for the 16th November. | Nov 19 14:29 | |
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| DaemonFC | my radar detector just saved my life | Nov 19 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | out of nowhere, a cop floors it through a blind intersection | Nov 19 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | would have hit me head on if that thing hadn't given me a Ka alert | Nov 19 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | fuckers get to drive however they want | Nov 19 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | and make it your fault in a crash like it's your fault in anything involving a police officer | Nov 19 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | grrr | Nov 19 14:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jrepin/@jrepin] Google CodeIn 2011: A Chance for the Next Generation to Join !KDE → http://is.gd/n9VHdl !linux !fs | Nov 19 14:42 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65056-FreeBSD-9.0-RC2-Arrives-Late-Pushes-Back-Final&p=239278#post239278 | Nov 19 14:44 |
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| DaemonFC | "Nvidia as a company disgusts me, their driver might be decent, but it is proprietary and they actively oppose any attempts to make it work at all with freely licensed open source software. The political activities of their senior management is another prong in my two-pronged "I don't buy Nvidia because..." argument. Their board is like a bunch of stodgy old cigar smoking villains from a James Bond movie who do things like take company money to | Nov 19 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | hand out to the theocrats in California to help pass Proposition 8." | Nov 19 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | did I mention I hate Nvidia? | Nov 19 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | ironically, Nvidia's crusade against free software has made their hardware the only one that lets you run it with a totally free software driver stack | Nov 19 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | right down to reverse engineered firmware | Nov 19 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | but I don't feel like funding a company that takes an adversarial position against the free and open source software community to begin with | Nov 19 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | if it "HAD TO" be done, the only thing left to make the AMD Radeon stack free is a few KB of firmware that would need reverse engineered | Nov 19 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | judging by Nvidia's firmware reverse engineering, this would be 2-3 months of work, max | Nov 19 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | instead of years to make the hardware do anything at all, like with Nouveau overall | Nov 19 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | the only reason it happened with Nouveau is because they asked Nvidia if they could use Nvidia's nonfree firmware to initialize the cards and Nvidia said hell no and we'll sue if you try it | Nov 19 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | without the firmware being downloaded to the card and ran, the card does almost nothing besides allowing the VESA functionality that any card since the 90s will provide you | Nov 19 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | no accelerated anything | Nov 19 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | it also limits the display resolution to whatever the BIOS recognizes | Nov 19 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | which poses a problem for resolutions 1680 x 1050 or higher | Nov 19 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | the screen is not only frame buffered, it's a low resolution that looks warped | Nov 19 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | and that's what you get with Trisquel and Gnewsense | Nov 19 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | have fun | Nov 19 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | oh, and blagblagblagblagblagblag(blag blag) | Nov 19 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | a very few BIOSes recognize the native resolution of modern monitors | Nov 19 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | the first thing the card does after being brought up is to trash whatever the BIOS told it to do and replace the video modes with what the card really does support | Nov 19 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | I could use Trisquel, if I didn't mind frame buffered 1368 x 768 on my 1920 x 1080 24" LED monitor | Nov 19 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | in other words, keep your "free" distribution until it does something for me | Nov 19 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 19 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | VESA and BIOS video resolutions are meant as a fallback in an "Oh shit, what went horribly wrong?" situation | Nov 19 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | not to be actually used | Nov 19 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | you also lose kernel mode setting if the radeon driver can't initialize the hardware fully | Nov 19 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | so even vts won't be a good resolution | Nov 19 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | maybe even unreadable | Nov 19 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | radeon firmware should be a candidate for the FSF high priority list | Nov 19 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | it's not a huge undertaking as free video driver projects go | Nov 19 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | and it would make Trisquel a real option for more users | Nov 19 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer upgraded their Rocket Buggies to Level 8 in War Commander. | Nov 19 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | These vehicles put the pedal to the medal -- ripping through buildings before the enemy knows what hit them. | Nov 19 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Nov 19 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | ripping through the enemy before they know what happened is always a plus | Nov 19 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | My dad refers to the DHS as the Gestapo | Nov 19 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Nov 19 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | I concur | Nov 19 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | "Beginning in 1940, the grey SS uniform was worn by Gestapo in occupied countries, even those who were not actually SS members, because agents in civilian clothes had been shot by members of the Wehrmacht thinking that they were partisans." -Wikipedia | Nov 19 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Nov 19 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Nov 19 15:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New Review of the New #Kubuntu http://ur1.ca/5xsqr #kde | Nov 19 15:17 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Kubuntu 11.10 review .::. Size~: 116.4 KB | Nov 19 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR once said that in Hungary, they have socialists and national socialists | Nov 19 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | it's bad, but not United States bad I guess | Nov 19 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | here we have the Theocrat and the Oligarch parties, and sometimes there is "bipartisanship" | Nov 19 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | it happens regularly because there's a lot of crossover between those groups | Nov 19 15:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz New Review of the New #Kubuntu http://ur1.ca/5xsqr #kde | Nov 19 15:19 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Kubuntu 11.10 review .::. Size~: 116.4 KB | Nov 19 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | What harm can a creationist and a free market capitalist do when they work together? | Nov 19 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | Let's find out! | Nov 19 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 19 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes I think schestowitz links to linuxbsdos.com to remind me I forgot to add *.brightcove.* to my filter rules | Nov 19 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 15:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] GNU/Linux in the High Streets in #Portugal http://ur1.ca/5xssw #ubuntu | Nov 19 15:22 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ubuntu launches at retail in Portugal with ASUS « Canonical Blog .::. Size~: 18.94 KB | Nov 19 15:22 |
| schestowitz | ""Wild Carpathia", an interesting documentary about Romania http://ur1.ca/5xsjs #romania #video #wild #monarchy #royal" | Nov 19 15:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Documentarul Wild Carpathia in versiune intreaga on Vimeo .::. Size~: 50.18 KB | Nov 19 15:25 |
| schestowitz | hi DaemonFC | Nov 19 15:25 |
| schestowitz | [15:26:10] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: hehe... you should see the irc channels right now.. the hyper one is in | Nov 19 15:26 |
| schestowitz | [15:26:14] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: like 1000 lines | Nov 19 15:26 |
| schestowitz | [15:26:16] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: no response | Nov 19 15:26 |
| schestowitz | [15:26:18] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: in text | Nov 19 15:27 |
| schestowitz | [15:26:42] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: trolls and disruptors still abound today | Nov 19 15:27 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 19 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Nov 19 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not a proponent of porn, but the US government's attack on the internet does make some, shall we say, strange bedfellows. ;) | Nov 19 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | Wall Photos | Nov 19 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | PORN SITES JOIN FIGHT AGAINST THE INTERNET BLACKLIST BILL: EMAIL CONGRESS TODAY: http://act.demandprogress.org/letter/sopa/ | Nov 19 15:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: IT'S ALIVE: New Blacklist Bill Set To Crush The Internet! | Demand Progress .::. Size~: 14.16 KB | Nov 19 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | By: Demand Progress | Nov 19 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | Like · · Share · 10 seconds ago | Nov 19 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Nov 19 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | Quoting myself from Phoronix Forums: | Nov 19 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | "Nvidia as a company disgusts me, their driver might be decent, but it is proprietary and they actively oppose any attempts to make it work at all with freely licensed open source software. The political activities of their senior management is another prong in my two-pronged "I don't buy Nvidia because..." argument. Their board is like a bunch of stodgy old cigar smoking villains from a James Bond movie who do things like take company money to | Nov 19 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | hand out to the theocrats in California to help pass Proposition 8." | Nov 19 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | Like · · Share · 3 minutes ago | Nov 19 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | I use my Facebook wall a lot like Twitter | Nov 19 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 19 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer via Opera Browser | Nov 19 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | Opera Mini is the only usable mobile web browser. Far exceeding toys like Pocket Idiot Exploiter or Crapple Safari. Opera Mini/Mobile can save you a ton of bandwidth. | Nov 19 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | Like · · 11 seconds ago | Nov 19 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://my.opera.com/chooseopera/blog/2011/11/16/achievement-unlocked | Nov 19 15:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Opera News - Achievement Unlocked .::. Size~: 38.41 KB | Nov 19 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | I shared that one | Nov 19 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer via Opera Browser | Nov 19 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | Next achievement: Use Windows....to download Linux. | Nov 19 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | Achievement Unlocked | Nov 19 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | my.opera.com | Nov 19 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | Alternative Get: Mac users can get/rate Opera in the Mac App Store | Nov 19 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | Like · · Share · 4 seconds ago | Nov 19 15:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [now up] Learning From #Beethoven: Speeding Up Exchange Of Scientific Knowledge - http://bit.ly/tioMRz don't miss LvB's quote on #sharing | Nov 19 15:36 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Learning From Beethoven: Speeding Up The Exchange Of Scientific Knowledge | Techdirt .::. Size~: 65.31 KB | Nov 19 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | The Amarok 2.5 RC is now packaged for Fedora | Nov 19 15:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [now up] Microsoft 'Anti-Piracy' Campaign Explains Why It's Bad For Businesses To Pay For Microsoft Software - http://bit.ly/ssAuYt clueless | Nov 19 15:37 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft 'Anti-Piracy' Campaign Explains Why It's Bad For Businesses To Pay For Microsoft Software | Techdirt .::. Size~: 91.8 KB | Nov 19 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | in kde-unstable on kde-redhat | Nov 19 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | so is KDE 4.7.3 with some additional patches applied from what is currently in Fedora-updates | Nov 19 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | that's in kde-testing | Nov 19 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | I recommend kde-testing, as they get bug fixes and new stable KDEs before Fedora Updates | Nov 19 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | Rex Dieter and Kevin Kofler are wizards | Nov 19 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | they put the Kubuntu PPAs to shame | Nov 19 15:39 |
| schestowitz | [15:45:44] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: HARD Talk on.. | Nov 19 15:46 |
| schestowitz | [15:45:55] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: more depressing stuff about the ec | Nov 19 15:46 |
| *schestowitz watches BBC world on screen 2 | Nov 19 15:46 | |
| DaemonFC | To the theme of Twilight Zone: Dawn talking to someone on the phone about me being creepy. | Nov 19 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | in between episodes of getting blitzed and trying to get me to have sex with her. | Nov 19 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | of course | Nov 19 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | there aren't enough illegal substances in the world to make that happen | Nov 19 15:48 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Nov 19 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Really? | Nov 19 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | ya rly | Nov 19 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | even if she slipped me acid and magic mushrooms somehow, the only thing not altered would be my perception of her | Nov 19 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 19 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Finally found something more positive on TV... special programme on wind power across the US | Nov 19 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | sponsored by Sprawl Mart and Big Polluters? | Nov 19 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 15:51 |
| schestowitz | lol | Nov 19 15:51 |
| schestowitz | magic mushrooms | Nov 19 15:51 |
| schestowitz | I heard this term before | Nov 19 15:51 |
| schestowitz | evoking language from kids' literature to describe drugs | Nov 19 15:51 |
| schestowitz | My girlfriend from way back would call em that | Nov 19 15:52 |
| schestowitz | or "shrooms" | Nov 19 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wik2uc69WbU | Nov 19 15:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Peter Paul & Mary - Puff the Magic Dragon - YouTube .::. Size~: 94.94 KB | Nov 19 15:52 |
| schestowitz | [in Canada] | Nov 19 15:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: would you like Magic Cake? | Nov 19 15:52 |
| schestowitz | me: "what's the magic?" | Nov 19 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | magic brownies | Nov 19 15:52 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 19 15:52 |
| schestowitz | with pot | Nov 19 15:53 |
| *DaemonFC sings along | Nov 19 15:53 | |
| schestowitz | Dawn, the shaving magician | Nov 19 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | Dawn and the magic razor, over at the neighbor's | Nov 19 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | shaving his back in the bath | Nov 19 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | The guy fucked her for what seemed like forever, you should have seen his dick | Nov 19 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | it has bite marks on it now | Nov 19 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | sing with me schestowitz! | Nov 19 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | SING!!! | Nov 19 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 19 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | I can't heart you! | Nov 19 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | Buttsecks you say? | Nov 19 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | *hear | Nov 19 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | Poor little Ryan Farmer, lived next door to Dawn, and swore that song gets longer, every time it plays | Nov 19 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 19 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | That woman is like a pornographic female version of Mr. Bean | Nov 19 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | if he was psychotic of course | Nov 19 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | *knock knock knock* "Kyle, it's ME" (she calls me Kyle when she's drunk, don't ask, I don't know) "and that's when I shot her, your honor" | Nov 19 16:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/848049 "thank you for sharing, my laptop was basically getting hammered, the battery lasts only 9 minutes with ubuntu 11.10, i posted it in launchpad, no one could answer it. 12.04 lts should make it better, of late ubuntu is was being hostile to low configuration laptops! " | Nov 19 16:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 19 16:00 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: to her, shaving is like the "massage parlour" equiv. | Nov 19 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You want horrific ending? | Nov 19 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 19 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | me give you horrific ending | Nov 19 16:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/844932 "Ouch. Time to go back for the Physics PhD." | Nov 19 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | me horrify you long time | Nov 19 16:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 19 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Right now I watch some Western propaganda about Libya | Nov 19 16:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: why not happy endings? | Nov 19 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | because Dawn doesn't do that | Nov 19 16:03 |
| schestowitz | it's kind of cool that I can assign TV to any of 3 screens and then output the audio to the stereo and amplifier | Nov 19 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | except with the equally horrifying maintenance men the landlord sends out | Nov 19 16:03 |
| schestowitz | who needs TV anymore? | Nov 19 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | I do | Nov 19 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'm contractually obligated until May | Nov 19 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | doh! | Nov 19 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Dawn does EVERYthing | Nov 19 16:04 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: do you have national TV like CSPAN? | Nov 19 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | Do I need to tell you where DirecTV can shove their satellite dish when this is over? | Nov 19 16:04 |
| schestowitz | And if you had a TV around or a VCR, do you pay tax although cable companies are very commonplace | Nov 19 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | when the DirecTV badstupidwhydidIdoTHAT nightmare is over | Nov 19 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | my TV will be used for Netflix and Hulu Plus | Nov 19 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | which together, cost roughly 1/4th as much | Nov 19 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | have no commercials and other garbage | Nov 19 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | and don't obligate me to pay them for two more years | Nov 19 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | if I cancel them now, my contract says I owe them $20 for every month I would have had it from point of cancellation to May 2012 | Nov 19 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | paying them $20 a month for nothing sounds as bad as paying them $80 a month to do next to nothing useful | Nov 19 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | paying them $20 a month to go away might be up for consideration when there are fewer months to go | Nov 19 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | I may just hand them $100 to go away and not darken my doorstep anymore | Nov 19 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | When that happens, I'm going to get rid of AT&T as well | Nov 19 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | there's a smaller ISP in town that uses Fiber Optic | Nov 19 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's five times faster with no "voluntary" mafiaa deal | Nov 19 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | and a little cheaper | Nov 19 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | and the best bit about Fiber To The Home is that it requires no modem | Nov 19 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | nothing that needs Windows at all | Nov 19 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | anything with an ethernet port will work | Nov 19 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | even Windows 95 | Nov 19 16:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Ardour: An #Audio Editor That's Hard to Master and Tough to Beat http://goo.gl/1ZCi3 | Nov 19 16:11 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux News: Reviews: Ardour: An Audio Editor That's Hard to Master and Tough to Beat .::. Size~: 64.92 KB | Nov 19 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | no arguments with some idiot representative in Bangalore re fuck Windows | Nov 19 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | no "just turn the fucking modem on you bastard" | Nov 19 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | hooray | Nov 19 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | no emails every day about "WARNING RED ALERT!!! IRC DETECTED, USE MICROSOFT SECURITY NONSENSE!!!! AWOOGA AWOOGA ABANDON SHIP!!! URGENT! EMERGENCY!!! YOU NOW HAVE 5 MINUTES TO REACH MINIMUM SAFE DISTANCE" | Nov 19 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | Who else has their ISP on their bogofilter? | Nov 19 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | show of hands? | Nov 19 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | AT&T sucks | Nov 19 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast sucks slightly more | Nov 19 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | there was no third option when I switched to AT&T from Comcast | Nov 19 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | it's like saying you were a Republican and now you're a Democrat | Nov 19 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | AT&T is only marginally better than Comcast | Nov 19 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | little faster, slightly cheaper, less traffic manipulation, higher uptimes, no DNS hijack to Bing | Nov 19 16:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Women in FOSS: men need to do more, says senior dev http://is.gd/HJoVwv #foss #feminism | Nov 19 16:16 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 19 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | but it's not MUCH better overall | Nov 19 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | only a little better | Nov 19 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | "Gotta love it! :D Can't wait!" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/848142 | Nov 19 16:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 19 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | DSL and Cable are both dinosaurs | Nov 19 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | when you look at it from the angle of "Fiber Optic is here now" | Nov 19 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | DSL and Cable are officially the new dial up | Nov 19 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | you only get them when there's no choice | Nov 19 16:18 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/848049 "9 minutes? Your battery is broken, just like mine, it doesn't hold power for even 3. ;)" | Nov 19 16:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 19 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | 9 minutes? | Nov 19 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | even Windows Vista doesn't do that bad | Nov 19 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | something is seriously wrong with his setup | Nov 19 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | I got about an hour and 15 minutes with Vista | Nov 19 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | ~2 hours with Xubuntu | Nov 19 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | I finally bumped it over to Lubuntu recently | Nov 19 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | and that brought it up to roughly 2 hours 15 minutes | Nov 19 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | so Lubuntu essentially doubles your battery life compared to Vista | Nov 19 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know what Windows 7 is doing, but it probably doesn't help it that much | Nov 19 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora with LXDE might bump it a bit more | Nov 19 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | but Xubuntu to Lubuntu is really easy | Nov 19 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | remove XFCE, install LXDE | Nov 19 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | so that's what I did | Nov 19 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | really you get almost no runtime on battery with Windows | Nov 19 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | that's why you never see a Windows laptop with a 6 cell | Nov 19 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | it would only last a little more than an hour | Nov 19 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | they do a sneaky sleight of hand | Nov 19 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | they claim the Linux model gets 2 hours and so does Windows 7 | Nov 19 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | but they give Windows 7 a 12 cell | Nov 19 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | and Linux a 6 cell | Nov 19 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | if you notice that, it's actually the same price as the Windows model once you add a 12 cell upgrade to the Linux one | Nov 19 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | at least Dell did that | Nov 19 16:26 |
| MinceR | 161931 < DaemonFC> it's bad, but not United States bad I guess | Nov 19 16:27 |
| MinceR | it's worse. | Nov 19 16:27 |
| MinceR | after all, the commies are the successors of the commie party that held the country in the previous dictatorship | Nov 19 16:27 |
| MinceR | though they like to play good democrat nowadays (except for their opposition to freedom of speech, i guess) | Nov 19 16:27 |
| MinceR | while the nazis are totally unscrupulous about setting up and maintaining the current dictatorship | Nov 19 16:28 |
| MinceR | and while there are other parties, the sheep won't vote for them even now | Nov 19 16:28 |
| MinceR | of course, most of our political "elite" having come from the commie party and their youth organization doesn't exactly help | Nov 19 16:28 |
| MinceR | most of the sheep still vote for the nazis >> http://www.politics.hu/20111115/fidesz-candidate-cruises-to-victory-in-closely-watched-budapest-by-election/ | Nov 19 16:29 |
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| MinceR | i should call them zombies, not sheep | Nov 19 16:29 |
| MinceR | sheep think more than these idiots | Nov 19 16:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Christopher Hitchens Drops the Hammer http://ur1.ca/5xtqc #Hitchens | Nov 19 16:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 19/11/2011: Linux Mint 12, ACTA Secrecy http://ur1.ca/5xtyh #techrights | Nov 19 16:41 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Links 19/11/2011: Linux Mint 12, ACTA Secrecy | Techrights .::. Size~: 112.22 KB | Nov 19 16:41 |
| schestowitz | "Well put! :)" http://joindiaspora.com/posts/848277 | Nov 19 16:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 19 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65090-A-Journal-Comes-To-systemd&p=239292#post239292 | Nov 19 16:42 |
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| DaemonFC | "Edit, if you need VLC to work, you can set Pulseaudio to use old fashioned interrupt timing, which will cause the entire system to use more power from all the extra wakeup events, but it hides VLC's bugs pretty well." | Nov 19 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 16:44 |
| schestowitz | "@Jaro Larnos - hi, normally that's what i would have thought! but mine is dual boot machine - so with windows it lasts 1.5 hrs! so indirectly very happy, that atleast some guys at ubuntu understood what i'm going through! but in your case, did u check with some other OS? " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/848049 | Nov 19 16:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 19 16:44 |
| schestowitz | battry suckage | Nov 19 16:44 |
| schestowitz | battery | Nov 19 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | "VLC is designed for Windows XP or FreeBSD style sound systems, not ones that work in modern operating systems like Linux + ALSA + Pulseaudio, or even god forbid Mac OS X with CoreAudio. (Yes, I just said OS X does something right. Shock!) " | Nov 19 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | VLC uses interrupt scheduling on Windows Vista/7, not timer based | Nov 19 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | even though Vista7 can do timer based, due to the nature of the beast, Windows has 20 different APIs for everything | Nov 19 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | including mimicking Windows XP's ancient sound system for broken applications | Nov 19 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | OSS 3/4 and Windows XP's sound system are fundamentally similar | Nov 19 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | People defending either one of them do it in ignorance | Nov 19 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | "Sure it guzzles power, but it hides bugs really well!" | Nov 19 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | I recommend people use Pulseaudio with timer scheduling | Nov 19 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | and just not even fuck around with VLC | Nov 19 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's stupid and broken and shitty and evil | Nov 19 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | and there are far better options in many of the cases where you just want a really good media player | Nov 19 16:50 |
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| DaemonFC | VLC has gotten so bad, even Windows users are complaining about things it does | Nov 19 16:51 |
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| DaemonFC | that should be a good indicator | Nov 19 16:51 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85485872 | Nov 19 16:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-11 14:21:49 UTC - Identi.ca: Even Some #Microsoft Apologists Appalled by Microsoft’s Patent Attack on Android/Linux http://ur1.ca/5xs3q... http://b1t.it/XJt | Nov 19 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85486301 http://identi.ca/notice/85486547 http://identi.ca/notice/85486722 | Nov 19 16:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-11 14:34:44 UTC - Identi.ca: Big Figures for Big Impact: Academics Versus Lobbyists http://ur1.ca/5xs7w #swpats #bessen | Nov 19 16:54 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-11 14:45:35 UTC - Identi.ca: Patent Trolls Thrive in the United States, Europe Can Keep Them Away http://ur1.ca/5xsbx #swpats | Nov 19 16:54 |
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| DaemonFC | I think I shall use my remaining damage protection time to upgrade a few of my mortar installations | Nov 19 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | lets see how they avoid being shelled in places on my map which were previously lightly defended | Nov 19 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 16:55 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85487310 http://identi.ca/notice/85487416 http://identi.ca/notice/85487364 | Nov 19 16:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-11 15:15:19 UTC - Identi.ca: New Review of the New #Kubuntu http://ur1.ca/5xsqr #kde | Nov 19 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85487472 http://identi.ca/notice/85487946 http://identi.ca/notice/85490381 | Nov 19 16:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-11 15:23:03 UTC - Identi.ca: New Kernel Patch Slashes Linux's Power Appetite http://is.gd/uK37gD #linux #kernel | Nov 19 16:57 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-11 15:35:30 UTC - Identi.ca: Fedora 16 With GNOME in Review http://ur1.ca/5xt02 #fedora | Nov 19 16:57 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-11 16:55:18 UTC - Identi.ca: #Fedora 16 #KDE in Review http://ur1.ca/5xsyr #redhat | Nov 19 16:57 |
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| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65056-FreeBSD-9.0-RC2-Arrives-Late-Pushes-Back-Final&p=239294#post239294 | Nov 19 16:57 |
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| DaemonFC | "I switched to all AMD years ago. Linux handles it fine, FreeBSD gives me a nice fat VESA framebuffer driver with 1368 x 768 display resolution on my $400 GPU and my $300 monitor. Boo." | Nov 19 16:57 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85488108 http://identi.ca/notice/85488219 http://identi.ca/notice/85488936 | Nov 19 16:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-11 15:43:00 UTC - Identi.ca: Linux Mint 12 http://ur1.ca/5xt31 and some ideas http://is.gd/fPZo7A #linuxmint | Nov 19 16:58 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-11 15:47:17 UTC - Identi.ca: Announcement and release notes for Wary (and Racy) #Puppy 5.2.2 http://ur1.ca/5xt3z | Nov 19 16:58 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-11 16:13:55 UTC - Identi.ca: Women in FOSS: men need to do more, says senior dev http://is.gd/HJoVwv #foss #feminism | Nov 19 16:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 19 16:58 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85488964 http://identi.ca/notice/85489230 | Nov 19 16:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-11 16:15:10 UTC - Identi.ca: I’m back home with #Debian http://ur1.ca/5xtf8 #gnu #linux | Nov 19 16:59 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-11 16:24:06 UTC - Identi.ca: Review: #PinguyOS 11.10 Beta http://ur1.ca/5xtkp #ubuntu | Nov 19 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | stupid identca doesn't work right.... still. | Nov 19 16:59 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/848049 "Indeed, it was a know regression issue and Phoronix proposed a so-called "Proper Solution" for this, some time ago: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_aspm_solution" | Nov 19 17:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 19 17:00 |
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| DaemonFC | I just force aspm to on | Nov 19 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | my board supports it, my BIOS lies | Nov 19 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | oh well | Nov 19 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | took 20 seconds and a reboot to fix permanently | Nov 19 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | what a god damned drama queen that guy is | Nov 19 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | but it probably gets more advertisement hits | Nov 19 17:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/848501 | Nov 19 17:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 19 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Joibs :-) | Nov 19 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | this "fix" isn't even a fix | Nov 19 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | there will always be cases where there is hardware Linux doesn't have a quirk for because nobody has gotten around to fishing around for what Windows does | Nov 19 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | and so Linux disables ASPM anyway because it doesn't have a quirk, the BIOS lies, and it decides to play it safe | Nov 19 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | it only fixes hardware on a case by case basis where they've added quirks by watching what Windows does | Nov 19 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | that's why ACPI is such a "great standard" | Nov 19 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 19 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | but like Donald Rumsfeld once said | Nov 19 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | you go to war with the army you have, not the one you might want | Nov 19 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | oops | Nov 19 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 17:07 |
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| DaemonFC | as long as proprietary boot firmware exists, you have to follow Microsoft's and Apple's rules to use your computer | Nov 19 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | secure boot is merely the latest in a long line of dirty tricks involving boot firmware that they have used to make Linux seem broken | Nov 19 17:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/847792 | Nov 19 17:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 19 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | they've given up on trying to subvert Linux using only malicious ACPI | Nov 19 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | because Linux adapts almost as fast as they are able to break that | Nov 19 17:10 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: ew | Nov 19 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | they are using a very Borg-like attack pattern against an enemy that is more able to adapt to the situation it finds itself in | Nov 19 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 19 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | Species 8472? | Nov 19 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Nov 19 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_8472 | Nov 19 17:13 |
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| DaemonFC | The Borg attack on fluidic space didn't turn out so well | Nov 19 17:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] @evan since we're on the subject of silencing, could you check @seviojazosverd 's account? She can't login w/msg "not allowed to log in". | Nov 19 17:17 | |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65090-A-Journal-Comes-To-systemd&p=239300#post239300 | Nov 19 17:21 |
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| DaemonFC | Pulseaudio should be moved out of userspace entirely and put into ALSA | Nov 19 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | it would be much more efficient there | Nov 19 17:22 |
| MinceR | that could help | Nov 19 17:22 |
| MinceR | it would also help keep it from taking over an API of ALSA | Nov 19 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | userspace to kernel and kernel to userspace is incredibly expensive | Nov 19 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | it's doing the right job from the wrong position | Nov 19 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | then again, userspace has some advantages | Nov 19 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | if it crashes, it can be easily respawned | Nov 19 17:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] RT @whirli #beard slap #gif http://bit.ly/tDcTxq dont know why, but thats brilliant! | Nov 19 17:24 | |
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| DaemonFC | but I don't think that makes up for the transaction overhead it imposes from being in userspace | Nov 19 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 does something similar, but in that case it's not about stability, that's just an intended side effect of making tougher DRM | Nov 19 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | *unintended | Nov 19 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | on the video side, they found managing GPU memory to be better suited for the kernel and started moving it from X to the kernel | Nov 19 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | they should do the same with software sound mixing | Nov 19 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | does it make the kernel more complicated? sure | Nov 19 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | it also makes managing the GPU memory a lot faster | Nov 19 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | with a lot less load on the CPU | Nov 19 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | the benefits clearly outweighed the drawbacks | Nov 19 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | CPU overhead is bad, mmmkay? :D | Nov 19 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | even if it means the odd unrecoverable crash | Nov 19 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | if X goes down and the kernel survives, you're screwed anyway | Nov 19 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | so they eventually stopped pretending X had any benefits in managing the hardware | Nov 19 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | managing hardware from userspace is insane and wrong | Nov 19 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care what it is, it is wrong | Nov 19 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 17:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Wave Of Suicides Among Indian Farmers - http://bit.ly/sk1kNA 250,000 in 16 years; "persuaded to use genetically modified seeds" #india #gm | Nov 19 17:29 | |
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| DaemonFC | in many cases, FGLRX is faster at rendering things than radeon is, but FGLRX puts more load on your CPU than radeon does | Nov 19 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | and the fact that radeon manages vram from the kernel make it faster than FGLRX in doing some operations | Nov 19 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | it's why 2d acceleration is so damned fast with radeon | Nov 19 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | and not so good with FGLRX | Nov 19 17:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Memo to American Bankers Association from lobbyists spells out $850,000 anti-#OWS plan - http://bit.ly/tyeIpW dirty tricks | Nov 19 17:31 | |
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| azalyn | i just want the memory leaks to stop on my system. | Nov 19 17:31 |
| azalyn | hopefully switching to opensource drivers will fix that. | Nov 19 17:31 |
| MinceR | with the performance nowadays, i think it makes sense to move as much as possible to userspace | Nov 19 17:31 |
| MinceR | reliability really is more important than performance | Nov 19 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | ig you're not using an OpenGL compositor, FGLRX will make your desktop really really really slow | Nov 19 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | with lots of tearing | Nov 19 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | and spiking the CPU | Nov 19 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | ouch | Nov 19 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | if you use LXDE or XFCE with FGLRX, you're in for a world of hurt in basic window management | Nov 19 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | but kwin and compiz do great with FGLRX because they use its very fast OpenGL driver | Nov 19 17:33 |
| azalyn | MinceR: oh jesus, not this again... :| | Nov 19 17:33 |
| azalyn | are you one of those microkernel zealots? | Nov 19 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | performance is not always more important than reliability, especially with the added reliability doesn't help the user out at all anyway | Nov 19 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | like userspace modesetting | Nov 19 17:34 |
| MinceR | azalyn: is everyone who prefers a microkernel a zealot? | Nov 19 17:34 |
| azalyn | DaemonFC: you reversed your statement.. | Nov 19 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | yeah I did | Nov 19 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | switch that first part around | Nov 19 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | doh! | Nov 19 17:34 |
| azalyn | DaemonFC: i think you meant to say "reliability is not always more important" | Nov 19 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 19 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Nov 19 17:34 |
| MinceR | well, true | Nov 19 17:34 |
| MinceR | DoS vulnerabilities aren't nice :> | Nov 19 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | reliability is not always more important than performance, especially with the added reliability doesn't help the user out at all anyway | Nov 19 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | fixed | Nov 19 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 19 17:35 |
| azalyn | MinceR: i just think microkernels are another pie in the sky idea. i'm more miffed about it because of that tanenbaum interview from the other day. it's still fresh in my mind. | Nov 19 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | MINIX is a great system | Nov 19 17:35 |
| azalyn | he once again bashed monolithic kernels, and claimed that linux's success was "dumb luck" | Nov 19 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | but it's far more suited for embedded systems than it is a general purpose PC | Nov 19 17:35 |
| azalyn | stated that linux only succeeded because of the bsd lawsuit back in the day from at&t | Nov 19 17:35 |
| azalyn | same tired old arguments. | Nov 19 17:35 |
| MinceR | azalyn: i think that tanenbaum suffering from a personality-warping case of sour grapes doesn't make microkernels a bad idea | Nov 19 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | if you have to make sure the entire system stays running come hell or high water and you don't care about performance at all, MINIX is spectacular | Nov 19 17:36 |
| MinceR | i don't think that MINIX would ever be the system of my choice though :> | Nov 19 17:36 |
| azalyn | MinceR: i know. but it's still fresh in my mind. and the problem is he acts like microkernels are a sure thing, he talks about being "ahead of his time" and such.. | Nov 19 17:36 |
| MinceR | iirc it's still missing a serious amount of features one would expect of a modern unix | Nov 19 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | MINIX throws every decision to stability | Nov 19 17:36 |
| azalyn | essentially he has a very patronizing attitude. | Nov 19 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | even when it costs performance | Nov 19 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | and no matter what the cost to performance is | Nov 19 17:36 |
| MinceR | azalyn: yes, but that doesn't turn HURD into a bad idea. | Nov 19 17:37 |
| azalyn | instead of talking about the issues, he just thinks he's right. regardless. | Nov 19 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | it's too lopsided to ever be a model for a general purpose OS | Nov 19 17:37 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: the performace of hardware rises so quickly that even now we're regularly doing things that didn't seem to be feasible in the past | Nov 19 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | right, but I want more speed! | Nov 19 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | moar speed! | Nov 19 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | Warp factor 10.1 Mr. MinceR | Nov 19 17:38 |
| azalyn | the problem in my view with microkernels.. is that i think they were designed more for a proprietary business model. where there are untrusted modules in kernel mode. | Nov 19 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | I SAID WARP 10.1! | Nov 19 17:38 |
| MinceR | modern systems can afford a lot of overhead in the service of things such as reliability, security and flexibility | Nov 19 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care about the plasma mixture ratio causing a warp core breach now and then | Nov 19 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | I said MOAR SPEED!!! | Nov 19 17:38 |
| azalyn | i don't know about you guys, but with a fully opensource stack, linux systems are extremely rock solid... | Nov 19 17:38 |
| *MinceR installs OS/2 WARP 10.1 on DaemonFC's PC | Nov 19 17:38 | |
| MinceR | i have yet to see a fully "open source" stack on my boxen :> | Nov 19 17:38 |
| MinceR | it would be nice, certainly | Nov 19 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | same | Nov 19 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | I transition over as it becomes feasible | Nov 19 17:39 |
| MinceR | same here | Nov 19 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | until then, proprietary is a fact of life | Nov 19 17:39 |
| azalyn | i've been running linux since slackware 7.1, and that's *with* proprietary modules, and i've had uptimes of 6 months or more. the only time i'd reboot is when there was a power outage.. | Nov 19 17:39 |
| azalyn | X did crash sometimes, but that's another story. | Nov 19 17:39 |
| azalyn | MinceR: i'm talking in kernel mode though. | Nov 19 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | if there's absolutely nothing that can work as well as a proprietary component, I will use the proprietary component | Nov 19 17:40 |
| azalyn | if i upgrade to radeon opensource. then i'd have a fully opensource stack in kernel mode on my system. | Nov 19 17:40 |
| MinceR | my home server didn't reboot since i installed a UPS under it | Nov 19 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | I won't be happy about it, but I can hold my nose and at least it works until something credible replaces it | Nov 19 17:40 |
| MinceR | more than 3 months ago | Nov 19 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | thankfully those situations are far more rare these days | Nov 19 17:40 |
| azalyn | but in any case, you guys are both missing the point... | Nov 19 17:40 |
| MinceR | azalyn: what about your WLAN adapters? | Nov 19 17:41 |
| MinceR | and the BIOS? | Nov 19 17:41 |
| azalyn | the point is that switching to microkernels would only have the benefit of allowing untrusted components to exist in kernel mode. and the linux project has never cared about that. they don't even want a stable kernel ABI for drivers. | Nov 19 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | people forget how GNU started out | Nov 19 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | it's the reason we still suffer from GNU autocrap | Nov 19 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | even though autocrap makes no sense | Nov 19 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 17:42 |
| azalyn | MinceR: bios does exist in full privilege mode.. but it's not part of the kernel.. | Nov 19 17:42 |
| azalyn | the solution to that is coreboot.. but i admit i don't have it on my system. | Nov 19 17:42 |
| azalyn | yet. | Nov 19 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | aqutocrap = automake and autoconf | Nov 19 17:42 |
| azalyn | i don't have wlan on my desktop. and most of those cards these days have opensource drivers. | Nov 19 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | they last made sense when GNU was making free replacements to proprietary UNIX stuff back in the 80s and 90s | Nov 19 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | and the only thing they had to run on was proprietary UNIX | Nov 19 17:43 |
| azalyn | you can use whatever build system you want.. | Nov 19 17:44 |
| azalyn | use scons if you want. | Nov 19 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | autocrap doesn't even help you at all on Windows | Nov 19 17:44 |
| azalyn | no one forces you to use automake/autoconf | Nov 19 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | since you need a bourne shell to run any of it | Nov 19 17:44 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: autoconfuse? | Nov 19 17:44 |
| MinceR | azalyn: actually, a microkernel would have more benefits than that | Nov 19 17:44 |
| MinceR | but it's not applicable to the Linux kernel | Nov 19 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | no, I only deal with autocrap when some bonehead decided to base their build system on it | Nov 19 17:44 |
| azalyn | on windows, automake/autoconf support would have to be provided by the IDE i suppose. with it's own bourne shell in cygwin or something. | Nov 19 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | for some unholy reason | Nov 19 17:44 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: you can run a bourne shell on winblows, via cygwin :> | Nov 19 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | right, but it completely eviscerates the claim of not needing huge dependencies | Nov 19 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | so it is fucking pointless | Nov 19 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | fucking stupid | Nov 19 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | and whoever promotes it should be fucking shot | Nov 19 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | can I be any clearer about what I think of GNU autocrap? :) | Nov 19 17:46 |
| azalyn | MinceR: i don't see more benefits. my point is that opensource's peer review will solve the stability issues for most people. even if microkernels can provide something "better", most people will not care because uptimes of well over a year (which linux is capable of already) are "more than good enough" for desktops. | Nov 19 17:46 |
| azalyn | and as for servers, that is an even more hopeless situation for microkernels.. | Nov 19 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | there's scons and cmake, far from perfect but much much much better than autocrap | Nov 19 17:47 |
| azalyn | because of clustered/cloud hosting. you don't need 100% stability. you can just reboot a node. no problem. | Nov 19 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | you'd have to almost try to do worse than autocrap | Nov 19 17:47 |
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| MinceR | azalyn: i don't believe in "good enough" | Nov 19 17:47 |
| MinceR | systems can be improved forever | Nov 19 17:48 |
| MinceR | and with a microkernel, you can just "reboot" a part of the system that would normally be a part of the kernel | Nov 19 17:48 |
| azalyn | DaemonFC: most people don't consider bash to be a big dependency, since it's already on every system "that matters". and people don't think windows 'matters' :P | Nov 19 17:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RIAA Thinking Of Backing Righthaven - http://bit.ly/uNkUzR truly made for each other #copyright | Nov 19 17:49 | |
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| DaemonFC | Windows only matters in the sense that free software which is not a huge deal to port and won't detract from how it works on free operating systems should have a Windows port | Nov 19 17:49 |
| azalyn | MinceR: i know about that. but that's not very useful in practice. | Nov 19 17:49 |
| azalyn | plan9 was 'better' than unix, and never took off. | Nov 19 17:49 |
| azalyn | and likely never will, because plan9 is now outdated, and linux/unix has already hijacked all of it's good ideas. | Nov 19 17:50 |
| MinceR | plan 9 had almost no community behind it | Nov 19 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | code punted over a wall | Nov 19 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | almost never has a community | Nov 19 17:50 |
| MinceR | it has less good ideas that gnu/linux doesn't have now than gnu/linux has that it doesn't have | Nov 19 17:50 |
| azalyn | and microkernels on the other hand have so much support... that's why hurd has been in standstill forever. | Nov 19 17:51 |
| MinceR | they don't have enough support | Nov 19 17:51 |
| MinceR | and they're difficult | Nov 19 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | they bit off more than they could chew | Nov 19 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | and got supplanted by Linux | Nov 19 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | end of story | Nov 19 17:51 |
| MinceR | which is why hurd has trouble managing the multi-server model | Nov 19 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | and they'll never get over it | Nov 19 17:51 |
| MinceR | yeah, just like we never got over single-task OS-es and real mode | Nov 19 17:52 |
| MinceR | and virtual memory never succeded | Nov 19 17:52 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 19 17:52 |
| azalyn | i agree that systems will always get "better and better", MinceR. however, some problems are complex and you can't have your cake and eat it too... microkernel vs performance is one of those issues.. and i guarantee you, that given that we're talking about uptimes measured in years with linux, people will always choose performance. | Nov 19 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | less elegant solutions with staying power usually win over ambitious goals with no resources behind them | Nov 19 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | go figure | Nov 19 17:52 |
| azalyn | because the stability is good enough. | Nov 19 17:52 |
| azalyn | most people will not sacrifice *noticeable* performance, for *unnoticeable* stability. and this is the core of my argument. | Nov 19 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65097-What-People-Are-Saying-About-GNOME-Part-3&p=239301#post239301 | Nov 19 17:54 |
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| DaemonFC | "GNOME Shell and Unity are a bad joke, and a cruel farce, respectively. " | Nov 19 17:54 |
| MinceR | azalyn: did people choose performance when it came to virtualization, memory protection, interpreted code and sandboxing? | Nov 19 17:54 |
| MinceR | did people choose performance when it came to abstraction of hardware? | Nov 19 17:55 |
| azalyn | yes, actually. to varying degrees. those are multiple questions wrapped into one though, so it would require a more elaborate answer. | Nov 19 17:55 |
| MinceR | did people choose performance when it came to higher-level languages than assembly? | Nov 19 17:55 |
| MinceR | yes, to such a degrees that they've accepted the overhead of all of these technologies, for the aforementioned reasons | Nov 19 17:55 |
| azalyn | like i said, everything is a trade off. what i'm saying is that the trade off for microkernels will *never* be worth it to most people. | Nov 19 17:56 |
| MinceR | what i'm saying is that the tradeoff for microkernels will become undetectable, if it is not already | Nov 19 17:56 |
| MinceR | while the gains in reliability and security will always be there | Nov 19 17:56 |
| azalyn | virtualization only really started to take off after hypervisors were adopted, and hardware virtualization, which drastically cut down the overhead.. before that, the performance reduction was unacceptable to most people. now the performance overhead is negligible. | Nov 19 17:57 |
| azalyn | what i've read says that context switch overhead keeps growing. | Nov 19 17:57 |
| azalyn | or keeps getting worse rather. | Nov 19 17:58 |
| MinceR | actually there are widely used techologies that reduce it | Nov 19 17:59 |
| MinceR | multicore CPUs and hyperthreading, for example | Nov 19 17:59 |
| azalyn | memory protection is a case where the benefits were worth it for most people, because without it, every single app can crash the system. hence the slowdown becomes worth it for most. back then you could lock up systems daily if you did the wrong thing.. that's not the situation we're in now. | Nov 19 18:00 |
| MinceR | just like memory protection, microkernels can keep from every single driver from crashing the system | Nov 19 18:00 |
| MinceR | and any service that would be part of a monolithic kernel | Nov 19 18:00 |
| azalyn | right now we have systems with uptimes measured in years, and you're asking people to sacrifice performance for no reason. also, even small overhead can add up in certain applications. i would like to see how a game would perform on the hurd. | Nov 19 18:01 |
| azalyn | or any other microkernel. | Nov 19 18:01 |
| MinceR | no, not for "no reason" | Nov 19 18:01 |
| azalyn | ok, for the tiny benefit of rebooting kernel services.. something that most people don't really care about. | Nov 19 18:02 |
| azalyn | i'm saying that all of the benefits are things that most people don't want or need. | Nov 19 18:02 |
| azalyn | unlike all the other examples you gave | Nov 19 18:02 |
| MinceR | i disagree | Nov 19 18:03 |
| azalyn | the other examples at least have some niche.. where as i see not even a niche for microkernels.. | Nov 19 18:03 |
| azalyn | they are forever trapped in academia.. although people swayed by buzzwords might find them interesting. | Nov 19 18:03 |
| MinceR | yes, i must be swayed by buzzwords if i appreciate reliability and security | Nov 19 18:05 |
| azalyn | as for assembly. again, in that case, the benefits were too significant. assembly traps you on one architecture.. C lets you run anywhere, and is *almost* as fast with a good compiler. why not ask instead why even higher level languages have not succeeded in displacing C? you think it's just because of momentum/popularity and legacy code? i don't think so. | Nov 19 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME Shell and Unity are a bad joke, and a cruel farce, respectively. | Nov 19 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | oops | Nov 19 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | grr | Nov 19 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65056-FreeBSD-9.0-RC2-Arrives-Late-Pushes-Back-Final&p=239303#post239303 | Nov 19 18:06 |
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| DaemonFC | damn klipper to hell | Nov 19 18:06 |
| MinceR | in part because many people are apparently incapable of understanding OOP or C++ | Nov 19 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | "The amusing thing about the minimal protections of the BSD license, wrt copyright preservation, is that companies like Apple can comply with the license by putting the copyright somewhere you'll never see it and calling it OS X." | Nov 19 18:07 |
| azalyn | MinceR: i didn't say you were. i am generalizing for the purpose of making a point. technology needs a market to take off. and not just a bunch of random visionaries, but a real market. why exactly would anyone want to choose a microkernel over say, vxworks, for their embedded product? | Nov 19 18:07 |
| MinceR | see above. | Nov 19 18:07 |
| azalyn | err, nevermind about vxworks. | Nov 19 18:08 |
| MinceR | yeah, funny thing | Nov 19 18:09 |
| azalyn | when i said C, i was including C++ | Nov 19 18:09 |
| MinceR | they did choose a microkernel | Nov 19 18:09 |
| MinceR | C++ is a pretty high-level language | Nov 19 18:09 |
| azalyn | yes but compiled it's nearly as fast as C | Nov 19 18:09 |
| azalyn | if the performance tradeoff was too high, i don't think it would've taken off. | Nov 19 18:10 |
| MinceR | it's more like that you can't avoid the performance tradeoffs for the extra things it lets you do anyway | Nov 19 18:10 |
| azalyn | that's also one reason that java has taken off over the years.. they've apparently managed to severely cut down on performance degradation. although it still seems to eat a lot of memory. | Nov 19 18:10 |
| azalyn | many people hate java precisely for that reason. | Nov 19 18:11 |
| MinceR | java still has overhead, and will keep having it | Nov 19 18:11 |
| MinceR | yet it's successful | Nov 19 18:11 |
| azalyn | it's successful mostly in business. because human labor costs more than cpu power. | Nov 19 18:11 |
| azalyn | look how easy it was for utorrent to usurp azureus. | Nov 19 18:12 |
| MinceR | which is not performance | Nov 19 18:12 |
| MinceR | so yes, performance isn't always the most important thing | Nov 19 18:12 |
| MinceR | i almost did mention development cost as one of the things people trade performance for | Nov 19 18:12 |
| azalyn | i never said it was. but my point is that for the mass market, the benefits aren't worth it for microkernels. | Nov 19 18:12 |
| MinceR | i just thought the others are better reasons :> | Nov 19 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana DMV sent me a letter asking me to renew my driver's license online | Nov 19 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | it expires in April | Nov 19 18:19 |
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| DaemonFC | so I renewed it online, used my gmx.co.uk email address | Nov 19 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | and opted to receive a non-REAL ID license | Nov 19 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 19 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | state law says you can do that as long as you've had a non-compliant license before | Nov 19 18:20 |
| MinceR | False ID? | Nov 19 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | no, it's a federal ID system | Nov 19 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | implemented through state drivers licenses | Nov 19 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | I chose to have a non-compliant license | Nov 19 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | to hamper the feds | Nov 19 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 18:20 |
| MinceR | Unreal ID | Nov 19 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | with a compliant license, it means the feds have an easier time getting all your driver's license information | Nov 19 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | without having to ask the state to provide it | Nov 19 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | the state always does | Nov 19 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | but it gives them another step to have to take | Nov 19 18:21 |
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| DaemonFC | the only reason for REAL ID is so the feds never have to ask the state to turn over the data | Nov 19 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | so if more people demanded non compliant licenses, it would undo the purpose of that law | Nov 19 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | I like the online DMV system | Nov 19 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | it keeps me from having to wait for a few hours to get anything renewed | Nov 19 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | while some fucktwit state employee mashes on their keyboard like they're sitting at an IBM XT | Nov 19 18:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] [ABC News] #Facebook admits creating 90 days web tracking history on members and nonmembers. http://ur1.ca/5xwtj | Nov 19 18:24 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Facebook Privacy: Social Network Tracks Users After They Leave Site; Congress, FTC - ABC News .::. Size~: 90.45 KB | Nov 19 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | and saying "Duh, why isn't this thing working, let me get a 500 pound supervisor over here" | Nov 19 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | "It's the NEW SYSTEM you see" | Nov 19 18:25 |
| *DaemonFC peeks over and sees her using Windows XP with IE 7 | Nov 19 18:25 | |
| *DaemonFC gets that tingling in his stomach | Nov 19 18:25 | |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 19 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | but the state website uses Linux | Nov 19 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | it's SUSE Linux | Nov 19 18:26 |
| azalyn | by the way MinceR, no hard feelings eh? a good flamewar every now and then does the body good. | Nov 19 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | but at least it is Linux | Nov 19 18:26 |
| azalyn | :D | Nov 19 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | I feel slightly more confident that some spyware running on the DMV's XP terminal isn't sending all my information to Mother Russia | Nov 19 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | but only slightly | Nov 19 18:27 |
| MinceR | azalyn: none | Nov 19 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not confident in the security of your Windows based backend. But I know Microsoft has probably bribed you with something or slipped in some of their moles to pay off the people buying this crap. I fully expect this comment to be ignored. If it is read, please try not to smirk, I know you just work here. ;) | Nov 19 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | my response to their survey | Nov 19 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | "You have been invited to hook up for sex" | Nov 19 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | damn you hotmail! | Nov 19 18:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] NYPD cop pushes judge. http://ur1.ca/5xx0h (Boing Boing) via @parlementum | Nov 19 18:31 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Report: NYPD cop pushes New York Supreme Court Judge into wall - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 25.48 KB | Nov 19 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | putting sex invitations in my junk folder!!!! | Nov 19 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 19 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | I also qualify for fast loans | Nov 19 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | Viagra | Nov 19 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | Canadian pharmacies | Nov 19 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | and pirated Microsoft software | Nov 19 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | the good things | Nov 19 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: happy endinghs | Nov 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Re: Story with a happy ending | Nov 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | > *Last night mom and I had a terrible spat about a stupid issue.* | Nov 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | > * * | Nov 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | > *She wasn’t home and the dishwasher had a full load; I was running short | Nov 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | > of silverware, so I ran a wash.* | Nov 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | > * * | Nov 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | > *She has told me in the past not to run the dishwasher. Why? I don’t | Nov 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | > know! Maybe she just feels that’s her domain.* | Nov 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | > * * | Nov 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > *When she came home and found I had done a wash she went ballistic and | Nov 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > then I went nuclear.* | Nov 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > *Ingratitude hurts but getting attacked for doing a favor is much worse.* | Nov 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > * * | Nov 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > *I told her I am e-mailing Julie to cancel my birthday dinner on Sunday | Nov 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > and I’m not talking to her.* | Nov 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > * * | Nov 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > *This morning she gave me the attached birthday card.* | Nov 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > * * | Nov 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > *The good news! We kissed and made up and we are going to my birthday | Nov 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > dinner.* | Nov 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | ^^ my cousin in Florida.. | Nov 19 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | good god | Nov 19 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | Family is family isn't it? | Nov 19 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Guess so | Nov 19 19:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: did part of your family ostracise you? | Nov 19 19:03 |
| schestowitz | like grandma Robertson | Nov 19 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | not the ones I liked to begin with | Nov 19 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | with her no-clcohol policy | Nov 19 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | so it's all good | Nov 19 19:03 |
| schestowitz | and no gays | Nov 19 19:03 |
| schestowitz | your mom's ex | Nov 19 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | the evil inbred sheep shagger family | Nov 19 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | Gonad's that is | Nov 19 19:04 |
| schestowitz | your( ex dad) does not like you after getting those papers | Nov 19 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | mine isn't that bad | Nov 19 19:04 |
| schestowitz | But then again he's not a person... he's an ANIMAL :-) | Nov 19 19:04 |
| schestowitz | not a veyr ptent one nonetheless | Nov 19 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Animal in need of "happy endings" pill | Nov 19 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | happy endings, patented by pfizer | Nov 19 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 19:06 |
| schestowitz | 4 minutes for Gonad, 4 hours for the rest | Nov 19 19:06 |
| schestowitz | "start the clock...NOW!" -Gonad | Nov 19 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the stuff is even better when you don't have erectile dysfunction | Nov 19 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder how many men exaggerate their problem to get a bottle of that stuff | Nov 19 19:07 |
| schestowitz | so basically he's just an oversized silly man with no blood going to the brain and the other area | Nov 19 19:07 |
| schestowitz | he just pumps blood to the other parts | Nov 19 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | Medicare pays for 90 years olds to get boners | Nov 19 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | they don't pay for life saving care for 20 year olds | Nov 19 19:08 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: ah, this stuff is prescription based? | Nov 19 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | see what the AARP lobbyists have accomplished? | Nov 19 19:08 |
| schestowitz | hehe | Nov 19 19:08 |
| schestowitz | it kills them early | Nov 19 19:08 |
| schestowitz | but happily | Nov 19 19:08 |
| schestowitz | less for insurance pots to pay in | Nov 19 19:09 |
| schestowitz | It's like happy endings, but the endings mean ending of life | Nov 19 19:09 |
| schestowitz | A massage parlour with happy ending is just euthanasia in disguise then | Nov 19 19:13 |
| schestowitz | "lol! " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/848561 | Nov 19 19:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 19 19:13 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/848049 "@tolerance, I can't, actually, all that I have are various Linux distros and an old OS/2 Warp4 installation CD. I've never tried with that, but something tells me operating systems from the mid- to late nineties might not work well on my relatively new laptop from 2004." | Nov 19 19:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 19 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | sounds like something out of Soylent Green | Nov 19 19:21 |
| schestowitz | I'll go make some tuna in mayo... need to get some protein | Nov 19 19:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is http://ur1.ca/5xy7r with 37 dents! | Nov 19 19:24 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jean Baptiste Favre (jbfavre) - jbfavre.org en 140 caractères .::. Size~: 22.87 KB | Nov 19 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | Jamie Zawinski "Sure Sunbird has bugs, I could fix them, but I'll just use iCal and look the other way when Apple fucks me and I can't do anything about it" | Nov 19 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | "lalala" | Nov 19 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | that one makes me laugh every time I see it surface | Nov 19 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | a few years later and he's bitching about Apple iCloud malfunctioning and not syncing his shit properly | Nov 19 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | and there's nothing he can do to fix it | Nov 19 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | things come full circle | Nov 19 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | for a genius, he sure is stupid sometimes | Nov 19 19:33 |
| schestowitz | cults transcend logic | Nov 19 19:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: US immigration you'd think: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/848565 | Nov 19 19:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 19 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | HIGH SCHOOL DROPOUT COP SEZ "THE USA PATRIOT ACT SEZ I DONT HAVE TO PUT UP WITH YOUR LIBERAL HIPPIE SHIT ANYMORE!!! DUH!!! PASS THE DOUGNUTS!!!" | Nov 19 19:37 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 19 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | Love the helmet, it really nails the whole stupid Nazi-esqe feel of that picture | Nov 19 19:40 |
| schestowitz | http://dot.kde.org/2011/11/19/google-codein-2011-chance-next-generation-join-kde | Nov 19 19:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google CodeIn 2011: A Chance for the Next Generation to Join KDE | KDE.news .::. Size~: 7.52 KB | Nov 19 19:42 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: he needs to protect himself from that rioting mob on the ground | Nov 19 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | might have to bust out the rubber bullets, tasers , and batons | Nov 19 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 19:45 |
| schestowitz | This looks like a campus photo | Nov 19 19:45 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings | Nov 19 19:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Kent State shootings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 249.81 KB | Nov 19 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | yes, I knew about that | Nov 19 19:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.kent.edu/about/history/May4/ | Nov 19 19:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 19 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'm wondering when they'll murder someone this time | Nov 19 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | they've nearly succeeded a few times | Nov 19 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | Still ALive as a midi file | Nov 19 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | hah! | Nov 19 19:55 |
| schestowitz | it wasn't murder | Nov 19 19:57 |
| schestowitz | but it was no happy ending, either | Nov 19 19:57 |
| schestowitz | no euthanasia | Nov 19 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://ironman.darthgibus.net/?p=141 | Nov 19 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | opensuse | Nov 19 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://gamesounds.holycrap.org/music/gen/midi/c/Comix_Zone.html | Nov 19 20:05 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | this is off key | Nov 19 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | the midi mapper in Windows 98 did OK with it | Nov 19 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | ouch | Nov 19 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOvGTULHw2Y | Nov 19 20:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Comix Zone Music - Night of the Mutants (Page 1-1) - YouTube .::. Size~: 95.8 KB | Nov 19 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | I compiled Gens for Linux | Nov 19 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | it hasn't been maintained in forever | Nov 19 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | it's under the GPL 2 and builds and still works better than the rest though | Nov 19 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | to further the abomination | Nov 19 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | I got an XBOX 360 controller left over from a dead XBOX 360 to work with it | Nov 19 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | I had to use its own calibration system though, which is impossible to set up with the GUI it provides | Nov 19 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | so I ended up spending about an hour editing the config file to map the XBOX 360 controller as joystick settings to get as close as possible the Sega Genesis controller as I could | Nov 19 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | and it works....surprisingly well | Nov 19 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | there's a surprising number of lines to fill in and if you get something just slightly off, it can ruin the game | Nov 19 20:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Is #GPlus traffic still falling? [LA Times] http://ur1.ca/5xzat | Nov 19 20:19 | |
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| DaemonFC | surprisingly | Nov 19 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | they must have gotten their fucking +1 logo on every site by now | Nov 19 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 19 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | usually you can beat people into using something if you shove it in their face enough | Nov 19 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, the story is true. At least according to Lucovsky. Microsoft calls it a “gross exaggeration,” but Lucovsky says that when he walked into Ballmer’s office and told the Microsoft CEO he was leaving the company for Google, Ballmer picked up his chair and chucked it across the room. “Why does that surprise anyone?” Lucovsky tells Wired.com, seven years later. “If you play golf with Steve and he loses a five-cent bet, he’s pissy for | Nov 19 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | the next week. Should it surprise you that when I tell Steve I’m quitting and going to work for Google, he would get animated?” | Nov 19 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Nov 19 20:21 |
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| MinceR | Animate Dead? :> | Nov 19 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtLnieZewjw&feature=related | Nov 19 20:28 |
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| DaemonFC | "WHO LIVES IN A PINEAPPLE UNDER THE SEA?! No one thanks to BP." | Nov 19 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Nov 19 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | Oil Ocean Zone | Nov 19 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | that's what you call the Gulf of Mexico now | Nov 19 20:30 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 19 20:33 |
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| MinceR | hey, at least it isn't Acid Ocean from Carmageddon | Nov 19 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | you go swimming, watch out for oil, mutant octopuses, and Mexican drug submarines | Nov 19 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | if you see tarballs washing ashore, rest assured that the Governor of Mississippi says it's normal | Nov 19 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | so safe you could eat them | Nov 19 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | pure as the driven snow | Nov 19 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | A little benzene never killed anyone | Nov 19 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | right MinceR? | Nov 19 20:37 |
| MinceR | depending on how you define "a little" :> | Nov 19 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | tarballs | Nov 19 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | hundreds of them | Nov 19 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | totally normal | Nov 19 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | pure as the driven snow | Nov 19 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 19 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | driven snow from a Chinese soot cloud | Nov 19 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | but driven snow, nonetheless | Nov 19 20:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Just logged out of #Jaiku for what I expect to be my last time ever. Impending closure means no fix for the autorepeat issue. #sadday | Nov 19 20:52 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.fxitech.com/fxi-demonstrates-any-screen-connected-computing/ | Nov 19 20:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: FXI Demonstrates Any Screen Connected Computing « FXITech .::. Size~: 21.71 KB | Nov 19 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | Android on a stick | Nov 19 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.pcworld.com/article/244217/google_chrome_update_addresses_highseverity_flaw.html | Nov 19 21:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google Chrome Update Addresses High-Severity Flaw | PCWorld .::. Size~: 79.03 KB | Nov 19 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | https://lwn.net/Articles/468367/ | Nov 19 21:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: People Behind Debian: Mark Shuttleworth [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 4.61 KB | Nov 19 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | More anti-everything else FUD sponsored by Canonical | Nov 19 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | https://linuxfr.org/nodes/88229/comments/1291183 | Nov 19 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Interview with Andrew Tanenbaum: Original version - LinuxFr.org .::. Size~: 25.85 KB | Nov 19 21:12 |
| MinceR | haven't they co-opted debian already? | Nov 19 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | http://i.imgur.com/TNOVo.gif | Nov 19 21:27 |
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| DaemonFC | https://imgur.com/5ajTS | Nov 19 21:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Addiction to styrofoam - Imgur .::. Size~: 9.35 KB | Nov 19 21:28 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/eecDw.jpg | Nov 19 21:28 |
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| DaemonFC | https://imgur.com/gallery/CIqGi | Nov 19 21:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: My niece left her Barbie book at my Mom's house. - Imgur .::. Size~: 28.34 KB | Nov 19 21:33 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 19 21:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] ah, "organization" is #GitHub jargon | Nov 19 21:44 | |
| DaemonFC | http://images.4chan.org/g/src/1321738835873.jpg | Nov 19 21:51 |
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| MinceR | lol | Nov 19 21:55 |
| MinceR | my peesee has even moar jeebees | Nov 19 21:56 |
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| DaemonFC | son of a bitch | Nov 19 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | What he hell is this? Windows XP? | Nov 19 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | KDE recently seems to default to choosing "auto" for systray icon visibility | Nov 19 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | and getting it wrong a lot | Nov 19 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | and I just fumbled the Konversation one | Nov 19 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 19 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | while I was in there fixing it I set everything I always want to see to always visible | Nov 19 22:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] 56 days to go until linux.conf.au 2012! #LCA2012 Are we excited yet? Have you got your rego in yet? What are you looking forward to? | Nov 19 23:02 | |
| cubezzz | heh, this is pretty funny and unusual: | Nov 19 23:06 |
| cubezzz | "I once put the green tube from an IBM 5151 display into a Zenith television set. That was *weird*. Not only did I have the only TV set with WordPerfect burn, but everything was really slow and streaky looking, since the phosphor had such a long persistance." | Nov 19 23:06 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 19 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65056-FreeBSD-9.0-RC2-Arrives-Late-Pushes-Back-Final&p=239330#post239330 | Nov 19 23:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: FreeBSD 9.0 RC2 Arrives Late, Pushes Back Final - Page 3 .::. Size~: 74.66 KB | Nov 19 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 19 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | "To answer your other question, I don't particularly care where proprietary software developers shove their code, but I could make suggestions. " | Nov 19 23:14 |
| prurigro | hey all- anyone caught wind of this? http://www.darknetplan.org | Nov 19 23:31 |
| cubezzz | can't access | Nov 19 23:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL | Nov 19 23:32 |
| cubezzz | if you want an alternative ISP in Canada there are the free-nets | Nov 19 23:34 |
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| XFaCE | hi schestowitz | Nov 19 23:45 |
| schestowitz | hi | Nov 19 23:51 |
| XFaCE | question, how come in none of the patent-related article do you mention that Canada (a fairly important developed country ;) ) doesn't have software patents (for the most part, excluding some Amazon gaffes)? | Nov 19 23:55 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: It gives some leverage that software patents aren't mandatory | Nov 19 23:55 |
| XFaCE | *the concept that | Nov 19 23:56 |
| XFaCE | not to say it doesn't already have overwhelming and overflowing leverage. :) | Nov 19 23:56 |
| XFaCE | oops, forgot schestowitz | Nov 19 23:56 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] the keyboard in !Plasma Active can be used to change the keyboard layout. one of a couple of small but important keyboard changes for PA Two | Nov 19 23:57 | |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: I mean, we always Europe as an example, but Canada's there too you know :D | Nov 19 23:58 |
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