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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] 'Try me for rape too!' - Sweden's veteran news anchor Olle Anderson http://t.co/WUY1EGH3 | Nov 21 00:02 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | oh thats just awesome. | Nov 21 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Nov 21 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: well I want to have even less dents showing in my time line | Nov 21 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | each day | Nov 21 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | already not that many showing really, but still | Nov 21 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: so guess which two groups I am gong to unsubscribe from? | Nov 21 00:25 |
| sebsebseb | and it may shock you actsualely | Nov 21 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/7534/snapshot5j.png | Nov 21 00:25 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 21 00:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: I only subscribe so I can post | Nov 21 00:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont actually read any of it | Nov 21 00:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I am all for RT as simply an alternative news point of view. What news do we get about Russia in Britain? Not much. | Nov 21 00:27 | |
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| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: well just unsubscribed from the Debian group | Nov 21 00:28 |
| sebsebseb | to Diablo-D3 ^ | Nov 21 00:28 |
| sebsebseb | KDE is next to be unsubscribed from | Nov 21 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | bah | Nov 21 00:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah debian is too noisy now | Nov 21 00:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | and kde sucks, you shouldnt use it anyhow | Nov 21 00:28 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Nov 21 00:28 |
| sebsebseb | I have had enough of reading loads of stuff about Debian and KDE since getting onto it from Identica | Nov 21 00:28 |
| sebsebseb | altough Debian hasn't had that much stuff recenlty it seems | Nov 21 00:28 |
| *Diablo-D3 checks his timeline | Nov 21 00:28 | |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: heh KDE sucks what you use? | Nov 21 00:29 |
| sebsebseb | KDE is ok, not really for me, except for some of the apps such as Konversation :) | Nov 21 00:29 |
| sebsebseb | Debian well, I don't use Debian | Nov 21 00:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | me rt wikileaks, me, me, me, !google, !linux, !linux, !debian, !debian, !linux, !linux, !debian... | Nov 21 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4022/snapshot7cw.png | Nov 21 00:30 |
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| Diablo-D3 | !fsf, !fsf, !linux, me, me, me, me ,me | Nov 21 00:30 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: I mainly see you denting in my time line and schestowitz and glynmoody | Nov 21 00:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: so, clearly, I should unsubscribe from myself. | Nov 21 00:30 |
| sebsebseb | if I unsubscribed from you three, I would hardly have anything I guess, but not doing that | Nov 21 00:30 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: nope you see your own stuff always | Nov 21 00:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | and btw, I use xfce | Nov 21 00:31 |
| sebsebseb | ok nice XFCE not KDE | Nov 21 00:31 |
| sebsebseb | altough not really keen on XFCE either | Nov 21 00:31 |
| sebsebseb | it's got to be Gnome 2, or well Gnome 2 with a old Gnome Shell preview, or real Gnome 3, for me now days | Nov 21 00:31 |
| sebsebseb | oh and possbily Unity when other distros have it in repos, so not yet | Nov 21 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/5828/snapshot8a.png | Nov 21 00:32 |
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| Diablo-D3 | I tried gnome 3, but its very broken | Nov 21 00:32 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: why lol since how I am going to cut back on dents? | Nov 21 00:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | xfce > gnome 2 | Nov 21 00:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | its faster, smaller, and better featured | Nov 21 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | which is kind of sad really | Nov 21 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | so many people putting so much work into such crap | Nov 21 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | but it keeps them away from other desktop projects | Nov 21 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | reminds me of that Dilbert comic | Nov 21 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | "We gave him an etch a sketch and told him it was a laptop" | Nov 21 00:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wonder why I use identica though | Nov 21 00:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | almost no one subscribes to me | Nov 21 00:33 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: which projects are you reffering to? | Nov 21 00:34 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: I am subscribed to you | Nov 21 00:34 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: and I go onto some of your stuff here and there | Nov 21 00:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | I said almost | Nov 21 00:35 |
| sebsebseb | as I told you before | Nov 21 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME | Nov 21 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | Unity | Nov 21 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | I struggle to think of the kind of person who would find those useful | Nov 21 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: well apparnatly | Nov 21 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | among Ubuntu users | Nov 21 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu 11.10 going by something on OMGUbuntu | Nov 21 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | I didn't bother going to the actsaul blog post | Nov 21 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | anyway going by that apparnatly Unity is the most popular | Nov 21 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | if you want features use KDE, if you're on a crappy low end system or something anemic, use XFCE or LXDE | Nov 21 00:37 |
| sebsebseb | altough that makes sense it's default | Nov 21 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | if you've gone bat shit crazy, install GNOME | Nov 21 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | If you've gone bat shit crazy and like Apple-like control freakery and DRM, use Unity | Nov 21 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | see, something for everyone | Nov 21 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 21 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: not yet, but may evetnauly even unsubscribe from FIrefox and Thunderbird and such, not sure yet | Nov 21 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: anyway hardly anyone subscribes to me on there as well | Nov 21 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4690/snapshot9c.png | Nov 21 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 21 00:38 |
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| sebsebseb | XFaCE: Guess what groups I just unsubscribed to on Identica, to have even less dents showing in my time line. | Nov 21 00:40 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: wow, is identica *that* idle? | Nov 21 00:40 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: not really that much showing each day in my time line anymore, and stil in lots of groups | Nov 21 00:40 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I like it this way, I go through my time line for news | Nov 21 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | to find out about stuff | Nov 21 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | that's why I tend to go through it when I do | Nov 21 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | and I got you schestowitz and Diablo-D3 and glynmoody subscribed to, don't really need anyone else | Nov 21 00:42 |
| XFaCE | sebsebseb: I see | Nov 21 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | also toros has stopped using Identica compelty it seems, he used to link to loads of Ubuntu stuff and so on, which got at me a bit at the time | Nov 21 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | XFaCE: what did I unsubscbe to, which two groups? may suprise you actsualley | Nov 21 00:42 |
| XFaCE | I have no idea :P | Nov 21 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | even though there hasn't really been that much to them recently it seems, but still | Nov 21 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | Debian and KDE | Nov 21 00:43 |
| XFaCE | yikes | Nov 21 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | XFaCE: well I don't use Debian | Nov 21 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | and | Nov 21 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | I don't tend to use KDE either, except for apps inside Gnome | Nov 21 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | and I don't really need to know lots of the stuff that is going on with these projects | Nov 21 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | in fact recnetly this lsat year or so, I really don't like the web that much, I mean all this Linux junk on it and so on, and how I end up on it quite a lot and uh | Nov 21 00:44 |
| XFaCE | I meant the lack of activity | Nov 21 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | XFaCE: ah right you just had a look? | Nov 21 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I think Google+ has taken a lot of the activity | Nov 21 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not using that yet either so :D | Nov 21 00:45 |
| XFaCE | And Diaspora, let's not forget | Nov 21 00:45 |
| sebsebseb | and I was thinking Diaspora as well, but that probaby only to some extent | Nov 21 00:45 |
| XFaCE | That's a shame, consider Google+ and privacy | Nov 21 00:46 |
| XFaCE | *considering | Nov 21 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | seems loads of people I am subscribed to haven't been denting on there recently as well | Nov 21 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | ah well | Nov 21 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | XFaCE: mainly use it to find out about things, and I mainly get the stuff on there that I would be interested in from schestowitz Diablo-D3 and glynmoody | Nov 21 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | I mean when going through the time line | Nov 21 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | also maybe it lost some more users, when it lost five days or so worth of dents, and those haven't come back still it seems | Nov 21 00:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Nov 21 00:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: but yeah | Nov 21 00:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | I only use identica to share good links | Nov 21 00:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just bizzare that I post so many boingboing links | Nov 21 00:50 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: well you post about the police messing up and so on | Nov 21 00:50 |
| sebsebseb | dent not post | Nov 21 00:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, #occupy is only temporary | Nov 21 00:51 |
| sebsebseb | what's that? | Nov 21 00:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | srsly? | Nov 21 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | no | Nov 21 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | it'll turn into Obamavilles | Nov 21 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | it already has started to | Nov 21 00:51 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah what's that? | Nov 21 00:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | you dont know what occupy wall street is? | Nov 21 00:51 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: <DaemonFC> no | Nov 21 00:51 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> it'll turn into Obamavilles | Nov 21 00:51 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> it already has started to | Nov 21 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | during the Great Depression, tent cities sprung up | Nov 21 00:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | goddamnit DaemonFC | Nov 21 00:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | shut your whore mouth | Nov 21 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | they called them Hoovervilles | Nov 21 00:52 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> during the Great Depression, tent cities sprung up | Nov 21 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | vhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooverville | Nov 21 00:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Hooverville - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 36.94 KB | Nov 21 00:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, I get the fucking reference dude. | Nov 21 00:52 |
| XFaCE | k | Nov 21 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | we've had too much of Obama already | Nov 21 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | what a disaster he's turned out to be | Nov 21 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | in office for a few years, and nothing but deficit spending | Nov 21 00:53 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: XFaCE schestowitz Anyway when I send dents on Identica, I mainly send Good Evening !Identiverse type dents, and Mageia stuff :D | Nov 21 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | which could be used to stimulate the economy | Nov 21 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | but in his case it's corporate welfare disguised as stimulus acts | Nov 21 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | unfortunately, nothing credible is lined up to replace him | Nov 21 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | so I'll end up voting for him again | Nov 21 00:54 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: ralph nadar?] | Nov 21 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | the Republican potentials are crazy Christian fundamentalist theocrats | Nov 21 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | or laughing stocks who learned everything they know about politics from Simcity | Nov 21 00:54 |
| XFaCE | lol | Nov 21 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | this Herman Cain clown could only get better | Nov 21 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | every time he opens his mouth I want to facepalm | Nov 21 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | he not only wants a regressive tax based on Simcity 4 | Nov 21 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | but he's a social regressive | Nov 21 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | who never seems to have learned basic geography | Nov 21 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | like what country is on what continent | Nov 21 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | he's had some flaps that remind me of Dan Burton's "Off the coast of Bolivia" speech | Nov 21 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | if he's our second black president, we'll never have to worry about having a president after him because he will run what's left of the country into the ground | Nov 21 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | through stupidity and religious far right pandering | Nov 21 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | the Republicans are only propping him up because they think it will make homophobic Christian blacks vote for him | Nov 21 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's just bet hedging | Nov 21 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | if things get that bad they can prop up a token black candidate and rely on appeal to spite | Nov 21 01:00 |
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| ender2070 | Stop. Ender time. | Nov 21 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | studies have statistically shown that there are more black and Hispanic people who are homophobic than white people | Nov 21 01:01 |
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| DaemonFC | all you have to do is prop this black guy up that says we should skin all the gays alive and you have their vote | Nov 21 01:01 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: That sounds a little far-fetched | Nov 21 01:02 |
| koolhead17 | hi all | Nov 21 01:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: heh | Nov 21 01:02 |
| XFaCE | koolhead17: hi | Nov 21 01:02 |
| sebsebseb | hi koolhead17 | Nov 21 01:02 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: at what? | Nov 21 01:02 |
| koolhead17 | wassup guys? | Nov 21 01:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: good evening dents =P | Nov 21 01:02 |
| ender2070 | Stop. Ender time. | Nov 21 01:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | identica is not a real time chat medium | Nov 21 01:02 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: oh m message I sent | Nov 21 01:02 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: well yeah http://identi.ca/group/identiverse | Nov 21 01:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Identiverse (identiverse) group - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 74.49 KB | Nov 21 01:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh, and btw | Nov 21 01:03 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: http://identi.ca/group/tzag | Nov 21 01:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Time Zone Appropriate Greetings (tzag) group - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 75.7 KB | Nov 21 01:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | for distros we've never heard of | Nov 21 01:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | alpine > mageia | Nov 21 01:03 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: uh alpine I think I have heard of that as a distro before actsaulely | Nov 21 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | with Hispanics I can see why a lot of them are homophobic | Nov 21 01:03 |
| ender2070 | I've toured around the world, from alpine to mageia. | Nov 21 01:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: also, btw | Nov 21 01:03 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: also Mageia is heard of | Nov 21 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of them tend to be Catholics | Nov 21 01:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | you want gug | Nov 21 01:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | generic UTC greating | Nov 21 01:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | er, greeting | Nov 21 01:04 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Mageia has been in Linux FOrmat this year a few tiems, I read a article about picking a distro that mentioned it earlier as well | Nov 21 01:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | ck invented it | Nov 21 01:04 |
| sebsebseb | and it's there in the like top 20 or whatever on distrowatch | Nov 21 01:04 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia is meant to be known about :D | Nov 21 01:04 |
| sebsebseb | and it will get more and more known about as time goes on I expect | Nov 21 01:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: alpine is trying to be a bloat free distro | Nov 21 01:04 |
| XFaCE | sebsebseb: Isn't that true for most distros? | Nov 21 01:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: such as no glibc, but uclibc instead | Nov 21 01:04 |
| XFaCE | !google alipine | Nov 21 01:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - alipine's Channel - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/user/alipine | Nov 21 01:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Alipine Wildlife Park-Zoo tycoon 2 - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dy6zenGOn8mg | Nov 21 01:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Alpine Colorado Cabin Rental, Alipine, Salida, Nathrop, Buena Vista ... | http://www.alpinecoloradocabin.com/ | Nov 21 01:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Alipine Plants | http://www.sendmedeadflowers.com/ | Nov 21 01:04 |
| XFaCE | agh | Nov 21 01:04 |
| XFaCE | !google alpine | Nov 21 01:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Alpine Electronics of America, Inc. | http://www.alpine-usa.com/ | Nov 21 01:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - AV Head Units & Head Units - Alpine Electronics of America, Inc. | http://www.alpine-usa.com/product/category/av-head-units-head-units | Nov 21 01:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Alpine Meadows | http://www.skialpine.com/ | Nov 21 01:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Alpine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine | Nov 21 01:04 |
| sebsebseb | XFaCE: some aren't really meant to be used by that many people or just a select group of people like some are made for countereis | Nov 21 01:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude dont google in the channel | Nov 21 01:04 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Er since when? | Nov 21 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | since the Catholics invaded Mexico | Nov 21 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | and incorporated some of the local cult traditions there into their own | Nov 21 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 21 01:05 |
| XFaCE | ok.. | Nov 21 01:06 |
| ender2070 | Stop, Ender time. | Nov 21 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | Oh hi there, we're just going to rape the women, kill the children, give you all smallpox and venereal disease | Nov 21 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | and here's the Bible! | Nov 21 01:06 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: How does Alpine compare to Arch? | Nov 21 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | ok then, I think that covers it all! :) | Nov 21 01:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | arch is a pile of fucking shit and needs to die | Nov 21 01:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | alpine is made by people who hate debian drama but like debian | Nov 21 01:07 |
| XFaCE | Too bad prurigro isn't here. :D | Nov 21 01:07 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: uh you don't like Arch? | Nov 21 01:07 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: You insult all Canadians. Arch is our pride and joy! | Nov 21 01:07 |
| sebsebseb | Debian drama you mean all the hype, oh it's so great a bit like Ubuntu? | Nov 21 01:07 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: he's cool | Nov 21 01:07 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: We'll also regress all progress from ancient times. Concrete? MEH! | Nov 21 01:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu greatly amplified the debian bullshit | Nov 21 01:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu afaict is a microsoft attack on debian | Nov 21 01:08 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: prurigro ? Yeah, deinitely. I'm meeting him Monday | Nov 21 01:08 |
| ender2070 | Diablo-D3: And you call me the conspiracy theorist. | Nov 21 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | Where's the gold? Tell me or I'll fucking kill your leader!!! | Nov 21 01:09 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: What does Alpine have in relation to DEbian? | Nov 21 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | Jesus is lord, praise Jesus! | Nov 21 01:09 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: he's Canadian? | Nov 21 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | *after they get the gold, they kill the hostage anyway* | Nov 21 01:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: that question doesnt make sense | Nov 21 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | Christians | Nov 21 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 21 01:09 |
| schestowitz | I didn't get the chance to speak to him till today | Nov 21 01:10 |
| ender2070 | daemonfc: Obvious troll is obvious. | Nov 21 01:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: its not a debian fork, its a leaf fork combined with the only package manager thats better than apt-get | Nov 21 01:10 |
| schestowitz | I was spending another 5 hours today chatting privately | Nov 21 01:10 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: That was my question. | Nov 21 01:10 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: yeah. | Nov 21 01:10 |
| XFaCE | he's canadian | Nov 21 01:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only reason I dont use it is because I need fglrx | Nov 21 01:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they havent figured out a useful way to run glibc binaries yet | Nov 21 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moctezuma_II#Death | Nov 21 01:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Moctezuma II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 109.33 KB | Nov 21 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | see | Nov 21 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | even Wikipedia backs me up | Nov 21 01:11 |
| schestowitz | all he cool people are from canada !! | Nov 21 01:11 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: "Alpine Linux is a community developed operating system designed for x86 routers, firewalls, VPNs, VoIP boxes and servers. It was designed with security in mind; it has proactive security features like PaX and SSP that prevent security holes in the software to be exploited. The C library used is uClibc and the base tools are all in BusyBox. Those are normally found in embedded systems and are smaller than the tools found in GNU/ | Nov 21 01:11 |
| XFaCE | Linux systems." | Nov 21 01:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: that is false. | Nov 21 01:11 |
| ender2070 | schestowitz: Fuck yeah. | Nov 21 01:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | its also designed for desktops. | Nov 21 01:12 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Why doesn't it have fglrx? | Nov 21 01:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | because fglrx is a glibc binary | Nov 21 01:12 |
| XFaCE | oh I c | Nov 21 01:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | and btw, alpine boots pants shittingly fast | Nov 21 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: No. All the cool people wear a fez | Nov 21 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | (Doctor Who) | Nov 21 01:13 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Maybe of the two of us can make Techrights Canada | Nov 21 01:13 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 21 01:13 |
| ender2070 | Guys, I want to apologize to all of you. | Nov 21 01:13 |
| schestowitz | toby suggsted that.. and Wayne Borean | Nov 21 01:13 |
| ender2070 | I have been for years thinking that I actually believed the conspiracy stuff I was saying, but my conversation with prurigro changed everything. | Nov 21 01:14 |
| schestowitz | some of it is sound | Nov 21 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You have to watch out when you say "peace on you" | Nov 21 01:14 |
| schestowitz | but it was mixed with fuinction | Nov 21 01:14 |
| ender2070 | He's absolutely right, I have been just expressing my imagination in an inappropriate, anti-social way. | Nov 21 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | someone will eventually mishear that and break your nose | Nov 21 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 21 01:14 |
| schestowitz | You couldn't accept a challenge to it and then attacked people whom you perceived to be gatekeepers | Nov 21 01:15 |
| schestowitz | And it's a shame cause I did nothing but help you over the years | Nov 21 01:15 |
| ender2070 | My hatred against "Freemasons" was just a projection of myself. | Nov 21 01:15 |
| schestowitz | Even when David thretaned you | Nov 21 01:15 |
| schestowitz | So it leave you looking like a backstabber | Nov 21 01:15 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: who's toby? | Nov 21 01:15 |
| schestowitz | thaik | Nov 21 01:16 |
| schestowitz | hje's in the #boycotnovell-social channel | Nov 21 01:16 |
| XFaCE | oh yeah, haven't been there for awhile. | Nov 21 01:16 |
| schestowitz | maybe you should | Nov 21 01:16 |
| schestowitz | add it to autojoin | Nov 21 01:17 |
| XFaCE | All the cool kids are doing it? :D | Nov 21 01:17 |
| schestowitz | it's more interresting there sometimes | Nov 21 01:17 |
| schestowitz | this one is apolitical, except when DaemonFC speaks | Nov 21 01:17 |
| ender2070 | I will try and conduct myself in a calm, assertive matter from now on. | Nov 21 01:18 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: whos' toby | Nov 21 01:20 |
| sebsebseb | puppet person? | Nov 21 01:20 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Still haven't figured out how favourites in Xchat work :P | Nov 21 01:20 |
| sebsebseb | uh puppy even | Nov 21 01:20 |
| XFaCE | ender2070: And as an aside, I don't believe a word you are saying. | Nov 21 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=274987 | Nov 21 01:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: mono-bouncycastle-1.7-2.fc17 | Build Info | Koji .::. Size~: 8.04 KB | Nov 21 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 21 01:20 |
| ender2070 | ender2070: Did I not suggest to you the hoster for your job? | Nov 21 01:21 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Low standards of imagination. | Nov 21 01:21 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: "mono implemenatation" = enough said :P | Nov 21 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | I just love that name though | Nov 21 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | bouncycastle | Nov 21 01:22 |
| XFaCE | ender2070: Yeah, I guess you did now that I think of that. You did do something kind, and I thank you for that. | Nov 21 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 21 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | Mon Nov 07 2011 Than Ngo <than@redhat.com> - 4.7.3-3 - CVE-2010-0046, security issue in khtml | Nov 21 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | that's sad | Nov 21 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | thar a security issue that old could have just been closed | Nov 21 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | *that | Nov 21 01:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Oh !Canada blogged: Will “American Censorship” Impact on Canada? http://ur1.ca/5yutx #SOPA #ProtectIP #Wikipedia #EDSS !copyright !CDNpoli | Nov 21 01:24 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2010-0046 | Nov 21 01:24 |
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| ender2070 | DaemonFC: Also, a present for you, in the style of your awesome writing. | Nov 21 01:25 |
| *ender2070 is now known as troll | Nov 21 01:25 | |
| troll | desudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesud | Nov 21 01:25 |
| DaemonFC | I know you are | Nov 21 01:25 |
| troll | desudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesud | Nov 21 01:25 |
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| *troll is now known as Guest74635 | Nov 21 01:25 | |
| Guest74635 | desudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesu | Nov 21 01:25 |
| DaemonFC | who let him back in | Nov 21 01:25 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz? | Nov 21 01:25 |
| Guest74635 | desudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesu | Nov 21 01:25 |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Nov 21 01:25 | |
| jbeatty | the more important question is why he thinks desu is a good meme | Nov 21 01:26 |
| jbeatty | this isn't 2006 anymore | Nov 21 01:26 |
| *schestowitz has kicked Guest74635 from #techrights (User term) | Nov 21 01:26 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: | Nov 21 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | [20:24] [Whois] desu is ender@unaffiliated/desu (Desu desu) | Nov 21 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | [20:24] [Whois] desu is a user on channels: #techrights | Nov 21 01:26 |
| XFaCE | jbeatty: I was waiting for a "THEBEST" to complete the shit sandwich | Nov 21 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | [20:24] [Whois] desu is online via pratchett.freenode.net (Rennes, France). | Nov 21 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | [20:24] [Whois] desu has been idle for 8 days, 19 hours, 58 minutes, and 0 seconds. | Nov 21 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | [20:24] [Whois] desu has been online since 11/12/11 12:26:32 AM. | Nov 21 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | [20:24] [Whois] desu is logged in as desu. | Nov 21 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | [20:24] [Whois] End of WHOIS list. | Nov 21 01:26 |
| jbeatty | XFaCE: THEBESTHEBEST was funny for like a week | Nov 21 01:27 |
| XFaCE | wait, user desu is ender? | Nov 21 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Nov 21 01:27 |
| XFaCE | But he's always idle and online, regardless of where ender is | Nov 21 01:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont get why that anime ever became popular | Nov 21 01:28 |
| XFaCE | maybe he just uses the name? | Nov 21 01:28 |
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| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to msb__ | Nov 21 01:29 | |
| XFaCE | Well, it did in Japan | Nov 21 01:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | questionably in japan | Nov 21 01:29 |
| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to cubezzz | Nov 21 01:29 | |
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| *schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz | Nov 21 01:29 | |
| schestowitz | I'm going to sleep | Nov 21 01:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | a lot of people were just like "screw it, not enough giant robots, not enough tentical rape" | Nov 21 01:29 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: GN | Nov 21 01:29 |
| schestowitz | nn | Nov 21 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | giant robots | Nov 21 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | that rape you with tentacles | Nov 21 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | and wear fezzes | Nov 21 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 21 01:31 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Does Power Rangers count as anime? | Nov 21 01:31 |
| XFaCE | lol | Nov 21 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Nov 21 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Nov 21 01:31 |
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| XFaCE | sebsebseb: What were we talking about again? | Nov 21 01:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] That is what people like you do. | Nov 21 01:35 | |
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| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: So Alpine is a good Arch alternative in your opinion? | Nov 21 01:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: wrong question | Nov 21 01:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | the gentoos and arches of the world have no place | Nov 21 01:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | alpine someday will be a good alternative to debian | Nov 21 01:37 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Wow, that ambitious eh? | Nov 21 01:39 |
| *Diablo-D3 shrugs | Nov 21 01:39 | |
| DaemonFC | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/11/20/1519247/amazon-apple-microsoft-and-google-chase-got-milk-patents | Nov 21 01:39 |
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| Diablo-D3 | the guy who runs it, nenolod, has been using debian as long as I have | Nov 21 01:39 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Wow. The patent system proves its worth again! | Nov 21 01:40 |
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| Brendan_T | I've talked to nenolod :o | Nov 21 01:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod is cool | Nov 21 01:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | always is working on something neat | Nov 21 01:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | also, it seems almost everyone knows nenolod | Nov 21 01:46 |
| Brendan_T | He told me all these things I didnt understand about how gpl isnt all that great and various things | Nov 21 01:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, the ircd you're connected to? its atheme, and he wrote it. | Nov 21 01:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | Brendan_T: the GPL is intentionally broken in a few ways | Nov 21 01:46 |
| Brendan_T | :( | Nov 21 01:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | I said intentionally | Nov 21 01:46 |
| Brendan_T | learning about this really screws with my head | Nov 21 01:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | it preserves a strange anti-right, the whole viral clause. | Nov 21 01:47 |
| Brendan_T | i learnt about free software thinking its all good and dandy but there are yet more details that make twists | Nov 21 01:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | otherwise GPL is rather straight forward, a perpetual non-revocable license that isn't a contract. | Nov 21 01:47 |
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| jbeatty | what kind of loss is there in free software? every possible loss is a necessary side effect of a good thing | Nov 21 01:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | a lot of foss licenses are designed on that model | Nov 21 01:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | jbeatty: well it depends | Nov 21 01:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | BSD/MIT/ISC/ASL type licenses preserve the right to close source it | Nov 21 01:48 |
| jbeatty | you can only play with us if you play by our rules | Nov 21 01:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | GPL specifically doesnt. | Nov 21 01:48 |
| jbeatty | I don't believe in a "right" to close the source for something | Nov 21 01:48 |
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| XFaCE | FFS | Nov 21 01:48 |
| jbeatty | I despise proprietary software and anyone that creates it | Nov 21 01:49 |
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| Diablo-D3 | GPL, at the time, used it as a new concept. | Nov 21 01:49 |
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| Brendan_T | and i dont like proprietary software so i leaned toward gpl | Nov 21 01:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats rather myopic though | Nov 21 01:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | and there are different levels to it as well | Nov 21 01:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | LGPL allows closed source to use your open source library and treat it in an otherwise GPLey manner | Nov 21 01:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | AGPL goes the other way and makes the viral clause infect over non-local network connections | Nov 21 01:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you can, say, do GPLv3-like patent clauses in the BSD model, ala ASL2 | Nov 21 01:51 |
| Brendan_T | dont think stallman likes it being called viral :P | Nov 21 01:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | so theres really a license for everybody's tastes. | Nov 21 01:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | Brendan_T: he doesnt, but thats what it is | Nov 21 01:51 |
| jbeatty | calling it viral doesn't mean it's bad | Nov 21 01:54 |
| jbeatty | if there was a virus that made computers better, it'd still be a virus | Nov 21 01:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | jbeatty: erm there is | Nov 21 01:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | its called Linux | Nov 21 01:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohohohoho | Nov 21 01:56 |
| XFaCE | Santa Claus! | Nov 21 01:56 |
| Brendan_T | `you must not use this in nonfree works, unless it's christmas' ? | Nov 21 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/11/20/025254/in-the-eu-water-doesnt-officially-prevent-dehydration | Nov 21 01:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: In the EU, Water Doesn't (Officially) Prevent Dehydration - Slashdot .::. Size~: 266.89 KB | Nov 21 01:57 |
| XFaCE | Brendan_T: @Diablo's laughter | Nov 21 01:58 |
| XFaCE | It's a shame that ender was most likely fake. Having a reasonable ender would have something. | Nov 21 01:59 |
| XFaCE | *been something. | Nov 21 01:59 |
| Brendan_T | But what's intentionally broken about it? | Nov 21 02:00 |
| jbeatty | Brendan_T: it intends to cripple peoples' choices | Nov 21 02:01 |
| jbeatty | in the same sense that we don't like people to assault other people | Nov 21 02:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: Ferm accident met #tram1 in de voskenslaan/maaltebruggestraat. Iemand die meer weet? #gent | Nov 21 02:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: Blijkbaar toch niet met tram. Wel ontploffing gehoord. Veel brandweer enzo. #gent | Nov 21 02:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @Choisissez Het wordt eens tijd om die duidelijk neer te pennen. Donderdag eens over spreken! /cc @Tuinslak @iRail | Nov 21 02:09 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.lyricstime.com/carlin-george-the-seven-words-you-can-never-say-on-tv-lyrics.html | Nov 21 02:15 |
| Brendan_T | interesting | Nov 21 02:24 |
| koolhead17 | schestowitz around | Nov 21 02:32 |
| XFaCE | koolhead17: No. The fake Ender tired him out. | Nov 21 02:34 |
| koolhead17 | lol | Nov 21 02:36 |
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| DaemonFC | XFaCE: I may try the Fedora 16 XFCE disc | Nov 21 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | I don't expect it would tolerate FGLRX very well though | Nov 21 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | XRender is only 2d | Nov 21 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | and ATI2D is slower than EXA | Nov 21 02:56 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: I was unimpressed. They are really lazy with XFCE implementation | Nov 21 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | lazy how? | Nov 21 02:56 |
| XFaCE | It's just as good as installing XFCE on any distro | Nov 21 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | OK | Nov 21 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | what else do you want? | Nov 21 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 21 02:56 |
| XFaCE | Some Fedora identity :) | Nov 21 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora tends to do whatever upstream recommends | Nov 21 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | as far as configuration and patching | Nov 21 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | if it seems plain, that's because they're shipping it the way upstream suggests | Nov 21 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 21 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | They do the same with GNOME, KDE, and LXDE | Nov 21 02:57 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: I figured | Nov 21 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | plain is good, I like plain | Nov 21 02:58 |
| XFaCE | II agree | Nov 21 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | give me plain and let me decide how I want it | Nov 21 02:58 |
| XFaCE | It isn't so much the plain, moreso the fact that I can do the exact same thing on plain Debian or Arch or Alpine apparently | Nov 21 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | OK | Nov 21 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's not about patching the shit out of XFCE | Nov 21 02:59 |
| XFaCE | I know | Nov 21 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's about whose underlying system you like better | Nov 21 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | that's how it should be | Nov 21 03:00 |
| XFaCE | But the rest of Fedora doesn't offer an advantage comapred to the other systems I've tried | Nov 21 03:00 |
| XFaCE | At least one that I give a shit about | Nov 21 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | it has a lot of advantages | Nov 21 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | just none that tend to make it into reviews | Nov 21 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | security configuration | Nov 21 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | not patching things to death and breaking them like Ubuntu does | Nov 21 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | delta RPMs | Nov 21 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | Debian carries a lot of patches too | Nov 21 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu jsut carries all those and more | Nov 21 03:01 |
| XFaCE | Debian is stable though, and Arch is more barebones | Nov 21 03:01 |
| XFaCE | *more stable | Nov 21 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | and it manifests itself when it fucks something up in such a way that you never have it happen in the upstream version | Nov 21 03:01 |
| XFaCE | So we got you as the Fedora guy, Diablo-D3 as the Debian guy, and prurigro as the Arch guy | Nov 21 03:03 |
| XFaCE | By the time I choose a distro, there won't be desktop computers anymore :P | Nov 21 03:03 |
| cubezzz | yeah and you're going to write code on a tablet? | Nov 21 03:03 |
| XFaCE | cubezzz: I be joking/sarcastic :) | Nov 21 03:04 |
| prurigro | I've coded on a tablet ;) | Nov 21 03:04 |
| cubezzz | I think desktops will be around, just like mainframes are still around | Nov 21 03:04 |
| XFaCE | yeah, I was exagerating. Joke, funny, HA! | Nov 21 03:04 |
| cubezzz | prurigro, yes but do you prefer it? | Nov 21 03:04 |
| cubezzz | and I mean not programming for a tablet, but _on_ the tablet | Nov 21 03:05 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Someone should force Bill Gates' computer and all his devices to play this on an endless loop | Nov 21 03:05 |
| cubezzz | big difference | Nov 21 03:05 |
| XFaCE | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwG2newDukk | Nov 21 03:05 |
| prurigro | I mean _on_ a tablet | Nov 21 03:05 |
| prurigro | :) | Nov 21 03:05 |
| prurigro | arch overlay + keyboard attachment required mind you | Nov 21 03:06 |
| XFaCE | ah, makes a good platform eh? | Nov 21 03:06 |
| XFaCE | Oh sorry, though you meant you set your laptop on it. :) | Nov 21 03:06 |
| cubezzz | ok, now program using APL on a tablet >:-) | Nov 21 03:06 |
| prurigro | and at that point its the same | Nov 21 03:06 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: So why would you argue Fedora in favour of Debian | Nov 21 03:07 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: And why would you argue Arch in favour of Fedora? | Nov 21 03:07 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: And why would you... err... never mind. | Nov 21 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora is cleaner than Debian | Nov 21 03:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh. | Nov 21 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora has better legal review of what they include | Nov 21 03:07 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> Fedora is cleaner than Debian | Nov 21 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora is more secure in the default configuration | Nov 21 03:08 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> Fedora has better legal review of what they include | Nov 21 03:08 |
| prurigro | rolling release, user package repo (aur.archlinux.org), pkgbuilds | Nov 21 03:08 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> Fedora is more secure in the default configuration | Nov 21 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora has much smaller update packages than anything else, OpenSUSE excepted | Nov 21 03:08 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> Fedora has much smaller update packages than anything else, OpenSUSE excepted | Nov 21 03:08 |
| prurigro | update packages | Nov 21 03:08 |
| prurigro | ? | Nov 21 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | delta RPMs | Nov 21 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | they can make your updates up to 80% smaller | Nov 21 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora is also always more up to date than Debian | Nov 21 03:09 |
| XFaCE | Even Sid? | Nov 21 03:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | fedora included mono on their install disk | Nov 21 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | I think Debian doesn't even have KDE 4.7 yet, for example | Nov 21 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | even in Sid | Nov 21 03:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | so no, they dont have better legal review | Nov 21 03:10 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> I think Debian doesn't even have KDE 4.7 yet, for example | Nov 21 03:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | and fedora's delta-rpm shit can often lead to a broken system | Nov 21 03:10 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> even in Sid | Nov 21 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora does not have Mono in any default installation | Nov 21 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | since Fedora 11 | Nov 21 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | Debian includes Mono in every default setup | Nov 21 03:10 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> Fedora does not have Mono in any default installation | Nov 21 03:10 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> since Fedora 11 | Nov 21 03:10 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> Debian includes Mono in every default setup | Nov 21 03:10 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Wrong. XFCE does not, and I should know that by now. :P | Nov 21 03:10 |
| XFaCE | The XFCE default setup that is | Nov 21 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | I meant, if you whack the default options on everything and get GNOME | Nov 21 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | you have Mono | Nov 21 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME is the default Debian desktop | Nov 21 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | XFCE is more like a Debian offshoot | Nov 21 03:11 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: You said *every* default setup | Nov 21 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | I should have worded it better | Nov 21 03:11 |
| prurigro | cubezzz: is APL not developed on commandline easily? | Nov 21 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | you take the defaults in Debian, you get GNOME and Mono | Nov 21 03:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | and no, sid doesnt have kde 4.7 because its still buggy | Nov 21 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | you don't have to get Mono and GNOME, but they hide the other desktops fairly well | Nov 21 03:12 |
| cubezzz | prurigro, if you have an APL keyboard it's a lot easier | Nov 21 03:12 |
| cubezzz | not that anyone I know still uses it | Nov 21 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | KDE 4.7 is not buggy | Nov 21 03:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | [10:08:38] <XFaCE> <DaemonFC> Debian includes Mono in every default setup | Nov 21 03:12 |
| prurigro | cubezzz: that sounds like a bigger issue than not being easily developed on tablets | Nov 21 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | I've been using it since 4.7 and currently on 4.7.3 | Nov 21 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | have yet to see anything crash | Nov 21 03:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: are you retarded? | Nov 21 03:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | the default debian install doesnt even include X! | Nov 21 03:12 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> KDE 4.7 is not buggy | Nov 21 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | the default desktop is GNOME with Mono | Nov 21 03:13 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> have yet to see anything crash | Nov 21 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | we're talking desktops | Nov 21 03:13 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> the default desktop is GNOME with Mono | Nov 21 03:13 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> we're talking desktops | Nov 21 03:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | there is no default desktop | Nov 21 03:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | so that shoots your theory all to hell | Nov 21 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | sure there is, you pick Desktop, it gives you GNOME | Nov 21 03:13 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> sure there is, you pick Desktop, it gives you GNOME | Nov 21 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | you have to unhide KDE or XFCE or LXDE essentially | Nov 21 03:13 |
| prurigro | DaemonFC: how could an RPM be any smaller than a high compression on the pure file list being installe? | Nov 21 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | with a startup option | Nov 21 03:13 |
| prurigro | is it some impressive new compression technique? | Nov 21 03:13 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> you have to unhide KDE or XFCE or LXDE essentially | Nov 21 03:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | desktop is not defaultly chosen | Nov 21 03:13 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> with a startup option | Nov 21 03:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | and also iirc it lists the entire tasksel list in the installer | Nov 21 03:14 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: I think Desktop may be checked off now | Nov 21 03:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: delta rpms only include deltas | Nov 21 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | what user goes through thousands of packages? | Nov 21 03:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: so its smaller, but can also lead to a fucked system | Nov 21 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | most people won't even know or bother | Nov 21 03:14 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> what user goes through thousands of packages? | Nov 21 03:14 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> most people won't even know or bother | Nov 21 03:14 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: oh, you mean to check what packages are out of date? | Nov 21 03:14 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Explains why Windows does it that way :P | Nov 21 03:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: yeah, its for upgrading only | Nov 21 03:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | first installs use full rpms | Nov 21 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | the first time I installed Mandrake, back in the 90s, I didn't know what the hell it was offering me | Nov 21 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | I think I ended up installing every desktop | Nov 21 03:15 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> the first time I installed Mandrake, back in the 90s, I didn't know what the hell it was offering me | Nov 21 03:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: and btw, I dont care if you think kde 4.7 is stable or not | Nov 21 03:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | many of the kde maints in debian are also kde devs | Nov 21 03:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | so fuck off. | Nov 21 03:15 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: well then, Arch's takes like half a second on my tablet let alone how quickly it goes on my desktop, so that wouldn't be too big a deal for me personally | Nov 21 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | Debian Security is too lax, they're the ones who broke OpenSSL a while back | Nov 21 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | and ended up giving everyone basing on them, including Ubuntu, a critical vulnerability | Nov 21 03:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: oh, and I just asked apt-get to install gnome, no mono packages were on the list to install. | Nov 21 03:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | so you're double wrong. | Nov 21 03:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: its not about speed, its about download size | Nov 21 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | they broke it to silence a compiler warning they didn't understand | Nov 21 03:16 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> Debian Security is too lax, they're the ones who broke OpenSSL a while back | Nov 21 03:16 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> and ended up giving everyone basing on them, including Ubuntu, a critical vulnerability | Nov 21 03:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: not everyone lives in japan with their $15/mo 100/100 metronet | Nov 21 03:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: bzzt, try again | Nov 21 03:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | the openssl problem was thanks to openssl committing a patch that broke it | Nov 21 03:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian didnt write the broken code, openssl did | Nov 21 03:17 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: Canada | Nov 21 03:17 |
| XFaCE | oops | Nov 21 03:17 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Canada, not japan | Nov 21 03:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | and thanks to debian, everyone found out about it before openssl shipped it | Nov 21 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | it never ended up in any RPM distributions | Nov 21 03:17 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> it never ended up in any RPM distributions | Nov 21 03:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | because it was already in the main branch | Nov 21 03:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: japan. | Nov 21 03:17 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: ahh, tbh I'm not sure how big the metadata for arch's update is, though I've downloaded it in under 10 secs at some pretty slow speeds | Nov 21 03:17 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: oops | Nov 21 03:18 |
| prurigro | debian's are consierably larger, in comparison | Nov 21 03:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: debian doesnt do deltas of debs | Nov 21 03:18 |
| prurigro | I wonder how arch stacks up against fedora in that respect | Nov 21 03:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | it does do deltas of indexes though | Nov 21 03:18 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: would a delta be considered the equiv of downloading a compressed package list including versions for a given repo? | Nov 21 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | there's no MAC implementation set up by default in Debian either | Nov 21 03:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: no. | Nov 21 03:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | a delta is the difference between two things | Nov 21 03:19 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> there's no MAC implementation set up by default in Debian either | Nov 21 03:19 |
| prurigro | computed prior to sending, like a unison comparison? | Nov 21 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | you can try setting something up yourself and possibly get a system that won't reboot | Nov 21 03:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: yes, its computed offline by whatever the distro's packaging system is | Nov 21 03:20 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> you can try setting something up yourself and possibly get a system that won't reboot | Nov 21 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora has SELinux Targeted and it's in a known good configuration before it ships | Nov 21 03:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | so instead of downloading a 50 meg rpm that changed one thing, you just download a couple kb instead | Nov 21 03:20 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> Fedora has SELinux Targeted and it's in a known good configuration before it ships | Nov 21 03:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: SELinux is not a good security method for people who are not trained in SELinux use | Nov 21 03:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | it is _not_ for end users | Nov 21 03:20 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: ohhhh, its not in the list, its in the difference in that respect- very interesting! that would seriously decrease update size | Nov 21 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | Debian also doesn't bother to use gcc's hardening features on anything | Nov 21 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | even Firefox | Nov 21 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora does | Nov 21 03:21 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> Debian also doesn't bother to use gcc's hardening features on anything | Nov 21 03:21 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> even Firefox | Nov 21 03:21 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> Fedora does | Nov 21 03:21 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: some security interest people I talk to laugh at how vulnerable se linux is | Nov 21 03:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian does use gcc hardening features. | Nov 21 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather have a browser that crashed on malicious code than one that runs it | Nov 21 03:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: linux isnt vulnerable in any useful sense | Nov 21 03:21 |
| prurigro | they mentioned another setup that tries to guess the behaviour of people trying to attack at being much better | Nov 21 03:21 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> I'd rather have a browser that crashed on malicious code than one that runs it | Nov 21 03:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: I can use a hardware security hypervisor to only allow signed binaries inside of linux (including the kernel) to run | Nov 21 03:22 |
| prurigro | XFaCE: only if crashing doesn't open up root | Nov 21 03:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: linux offers that, most people just lack the hardware | Nov 21 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | SELinux also confines Firefox and the plugin container | Nov 21 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | meaning Java and Flash | Nov 21 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | in Fedora | Nov 21 03:22 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> SELinux also confines Firefox and the plugin container | Nov 21 03:22 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> meaning Java and Flash | Nov 21 03:22 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> in Fedora | Nov 21 03:22 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: that sounds like a pretty key implementation | Nov 21 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | Adobe Flash is one of the most exploited pieces of software in the entire world | Nov 21 03:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: so what? it can be done in debian too. | Nov 21 03:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | selinux just should NOT be installed by default | Nov 21 03:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | too many people think it secures a system when it doesn't. | Nov 21 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | if you don't want it, all you have to do is boot with an option to disable it in the Live CD and it will install it with enforcing off | Nov 21 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | it's not hard to disable if you're dead set against it | Nov 21 03:24 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> Adobe Flash is one of the most exploited pieces of software in the entire world | Nov 21 03:24 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> if you don't want it, all you have to do is boot with an option to disable it in the Live CD and it will install it with enforcing off | Nov 21 03:24 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> it's not hard to disable if you're dead set against it | Nov 21 03:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | THEN DONT INSTALL IT | Nov 21 03:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | best security ever: users who arent morons. | Nov 21 03:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | cant beat it no matter how hard you try. | Nov 21 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | given that, it's not wise to disable it just so fucked up Windows programs running in Wine work without annoying you so much | Nov 21 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 21 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | that tends to be the biggest offender of SELinux alerts | Nov 21 03:25 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> given that, it's not wise to disable it just so fucked up Windows programs running in Wine work without annoying you so much | Nov 21 03:25 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> :) | Nov 21 03:25 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> that tends to be the biggest offender of SELinux alerts | Nov 21 03:25 |
| prurigro | wine? | Nov 21 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | when Wine acts up, I set a policy to continue blocking future occurrences without notifying me | Nov 21 03:25 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC> when Wine acts up, I set a policy to continue blocking future occurrences without notifying me | Nov 21 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | most of the time, the application runs fine anyway | Nov 21 03:25 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC> most of the time, the application runs fine anyway | Nov 21 03:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | selinux used defaultly in fedora is inferior to, say, grsec+pax | Nov 21 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | that might be so, but why aren't grsec and pax in the mainline kernel? | Nov 21 03:26 |
| prurigro | oh that's what it was | Nov 21 03:26 |
| prurigro | grsec | Nov 21 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | when they are, Fedora will be more likely to use them | Nov 21 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure there's a reason they are not | Nov 21 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 21 03:26 |
| prurigro | as what I was told was a much better system | Nov 21 03:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: for dummy boxes it is | Nov 21 03:26 |
| prurigro | why you say that? | Nov 21 03:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | selinux should not be used unless you know exactly how it works and how to write selinux policy files | Nov 21 03:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | very few people do | Nov 21 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora doesn't like patching the shit out of everything and taking ownership of the problems when it makes the system explode | Nov 21 03:27 |
| prurigro | interesting | Nov 21 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | and I don't see any reason why they should | Nov 21 03:27 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> that might be so, but why aren't grsec and pax in the mainline kernel? | Nov 21 03:27 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> when they are, Fedora will be more likely to use them | Nov 21 03:27 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> I'm sure there's a reason they are not | Nov 21 03:27 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> ;) | Nov 21 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | SELinux has been in the kernel for many years, it's stable, it is mature | Nov 21 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | it is well maintained | Nov 21 03:28 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> Fedora doesn't like patching the shit out of everything and taking ownership of the problems when it makes the system explode | Nov 21 03:28 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> and I don't see any reason why they should | Nov 21 03:28 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> SELinux has been in the kernel for many years, it's stable, it is mature | Nov 21 03:28 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> it is well maintained | Nov 21 03:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | because linus is an idiot | Nov 21 03:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | he no longer cares about kernel quality, he only cares about getting big names involved | Nov 21 03:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | selinux was backed by the NSA, pax is backed by an anonymous collective of hackers. | Nov 21 03:28 |
| prurigro | well lets be fair here- I think the issue is that a kernel developer genius isn't necessarily a genius in all walks of life | Nov 21 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | I think he cares about something coming back to cause him grief later | Nov 21 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | if he didn't he could just merge anything | Nov 21 03:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | same problem crops up that he keeps developing on CFS with mingo, instead of throwing the goddamned thing out and using BFS instead | Nov 21 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | BFS is broken | Nov 21 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | it starves the CPU a lot | Nov 21 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | even with few cores | Nov 21 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't scale well | Nov 21 03:29 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> I think he cares about something coming back to cause him grief later | Nov 21 03:30 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> if he didn't he could just merge anything | Nov 21 03:30 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> BFS is broken | Nov 21 03:30 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> it starves the CPU a lot | Nov 21 03:30 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> even with few cores | Nov 21 03:30 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> it doesn't scale well | Nov 21 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | it has no clear advantages even when it claims to | Nov 21 03:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | BFS is designed around the primary goal of never starving CPUs | Nov 21 03:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | something CFS does frequently | Nov 21 03:30 |
| XFaCE | <Diablo-D3> BFS is designed around the primary goal of never starving CPUs | Nov 21 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | furthermore, Con Kolivas is an asshole | Nov 21 03:30 |
| XFaCE | oops | Nov 21 03:30 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> it has no clear advantages even when it claims to | Nov 21 03:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | BFS makes sure if there is a thread running and there is a free core, _it runs_ period | Nov 21 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | even by kernel maintainers standards | Nov 21 03:30 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> furthermore, Con Kolivas is an asshole | Nov 21 03:30 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> even by kernel maintainers standards | Nov 21 03:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, CK is an asshole, a wonderful asshole | Nov 21 03:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | and hes more of an asshole than you could ever wish to be | Nov 21 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | I've patched in BFS before, it made almost no difference | Nov 21 03:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | BFS is a godsend to people who need constant latency in non-hard realtime apps | Nov 21 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | and when it did, it caused the kernel to panic | Nov 21 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | that's with 4 cores | Nov 21 03:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | gaming and pro audio on CFS is impossible, even with the rt patchset | Nov 21 03:31 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> I've patched in BFS before, it made almost no difference | Nov 21 03:32 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> and when it did, it caused the kernel to panic | Nov 21 03:32 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> that's with 4 cores | Nov 21 03:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | it made no difference because you're an idiot. | Nov 21 03:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | you probably either don't run anything that actually matters, or you didn't change HZ and PREEMPT | Nov 21 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | where does me being an idiot or not come into play when BFS doesn't work as told? | Nov 21 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | I did | Nov 21 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | I configured everything the way he said to | Nov 21 03:32 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> where does me being an idiot or not come into play when BFS doesn't work as told? | Nov 21 03:32 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> I did | Nov 21 03:32 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> I configured everything the way he said to | Nov 21 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | it makes no difference in performance | Nov 21 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | it makes the entire system less stable | Nov 21 03:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | but what app did you test it with? | Nov 21 03:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | unless you're using things sensitive to scheduling and latency, it doesnt matter either way | Nov 21 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | everything I normally do with the computer, from web browsing, email, I even compiled some stuff with a lot of make processes running | Nov 21 03:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | you're the kind of fuck that things the internet is for email and facebook | Nov 21 03:33 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> it makes no difference in performance | Nov 21 03:33 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> it makes the entire system less stable | Nov 21 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | he said it helps responsiveness when you have that going | Nov 21 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | it didn't | Nov 21 03:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have had zero issues with BFS. | Nov 21 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | I played some games like sauerbraten | Nov 21 03:34 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> he said it helps responsiveness when you have that going | Nov 21 03:34 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> it didn't | Nov 21 03:34 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> I played some games like sauerbraten | Nov 21 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | I even did some audio and video editing, encoding, transcoding, etc. | Nov 21 03:34 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> I even did some audio and video editing, encoding, transcoding, etc. | Nov 21 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | in any case it claims to help, it doesn't | Nov 21 03:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | so in other words, you admit you have no clue what you're doing | Nov 21 03:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | go troll elsewhere. | Nov 21 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | Con Kolivas is a troll | Nov 21 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder how much Microsoft has paid him to FUD Linux | Nov 21 03:35 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> in any case it claims to help, it doesn't | Nov 21 03:35 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> Con Kolivas is a troll | Nov 21 03:35 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> I wonder how much Microsoft has paid him to FUD Linux | Nov 21 03:35 |
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| Diablo-D3 | You do realize I'm good friends with ck, and are also one of the primary BFS testers, right? | Nov 21 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | it almost seems like they would have to pay him to claim Linux is defective | Nov 21 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | and come up with code that doesn't do any better but claims to | Nov 21 03:36 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC> it almost seems like they would have to pay him to claim Linux is defective | Nov 21 03:36 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> and come up with code that doesn't do any better but claims to | Nov 21 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | and has a bunch of people swearing by it | Nov 21 03:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | Unlike you, I actually know what the fucking code does. | Nov 21 03:36 |
| XFaCE | <DaemonFC> and has a bunch of people swearing by it | Nov 21 03:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: stop repeating him. | Nov 21 03:36 |
| XFaCE | ok | Nov 21 03:36 |
| XFaCE | Too bad the arguement transformed into ad hominem, good while it lasted | Nov 21 03:37 |
| prurigro | lol, were you highlighting a specific category of ideas? | Nov 21 03:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: thats what he does | Nov 21 03:37 |
| XFaCE | Me? I was just the mediator between Diablo-D3 and DaemonFC | Nov 21 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with CFS | Nov 21 03:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | ck is a rather brilliant coder, and the only trolling he does is trolling Linus by writing a better scheduler | Nov 21 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think he has any evidence to back up his claims that there is something wrong with it | Nov 21 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | I've never had responsiveness issues with CFS on anything | Nov 21 03:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC does not, for example, own an expensive pro audio card that can do 20ms latency on live sources when used right | Nov 21 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | from a single core 1 GHZ CPU from 2004 | Nov 21 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | to the system I'm on right now | Nov 21 03:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | for people that do, BFS works amazingly. | Nov 21 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | BFS is a placebo | Nov 21 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | some people swear by placebos | Nov 21 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | and attack you when you tell them there's nothing to it but a sugar pill | Nov 21 03:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC does not, for example, game regularly using 1ms latency mice, nor does he own a monitor that has zero processing time. | Nov 21 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | I have an LED with a 3 ms response time | Nov 21 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | not that that isn't better than what most people end up with | Nov 21 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | I think gaming mice are an incredible waste of money | Nov 21 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | any mouse rated 1,000 dpi or better will do dandy | Nov 21 03:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | so, I dont particularly care if he can tell the difference | Nov 21 03:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes simply not the target audience. | Nov 21 03:41 |
| prurigro | so I like the sounds of fedora's deltas, and I swear by arch's rolling release + aur, did we figure out what set debian ahead (and lets leave security out, for now) | Nov 21 03:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: delta has nothing to do with rolling releases | Nov 21 03:44 |
| prurigro | yea, that was a separate idea | Nov 21 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | delta is a binary patch | Nov 21 03:44 |
| prurigro | like, we were summarizing the key points of each distro | Nov 21 03:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian is ahead because the quality of the packaging is always the highest | Nov 21 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | it only replaces the files that changed | Nov 21 03:45 |
| prurigro | fedora had deltas | Nov 21 03:45 |
| prurigro | ahh, so we'll go with stability for debian then? | Nov 21 03:45 |
| prurigro | I take it we're talking actual debian, and not unstable? | Nov 21 03:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, Im even talking sid. | Nov 21 03:46 |
| prurigro | hmm, I suppose unstable is attempting to become stable, eventually | Nov 21 03:46 |
| prurigro | so that would make ense | Nov 21 03:46 |
| prurigro | sense* | Nov 21 03:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | stability doesn't mean "unmoving" | Nov 21 03:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | it means uncrashing. | Nov 21 03:46 |
| prurigro | haha, true, but sometimes moving = crashing | Nov 21 03:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian frequently will not upgrade a package if the new one has issues | Nov 21 03:47 |
| prurigro | though arch has pretty much never crashed on me | Nov 21 03:47 |
| prurigro | so maybe these dyas not as much | Nov 21 03:47 |
| prurigro | good policy | Nov 21 03:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | fedora will unless its really bad, and gentoos like LOLCFLAGS and wonder why it wont even boot | Nov 21 03:47 |
| prurigro | lol, gentoo used to be a bit more liberal in that respect than these days | Nov 21 03:47 |
| prurigro | but yea, it was the original bleeding edge | Nov 21 03:47 |
| prurigro | that said, I never had any major issues with upgrades when I used it | Nov 21 03:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | lets put it this way | Nov 21 03:49 |
| prurigro | though now that the user base is smaller I could see that sorta thing getting through a bit more quickly | Nov 21 03:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | I am on an 8 year old debian unstable install. | Nov 21 03:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | sid didnt even exist yet | Nov 21 03:49 |
| prurigro | not bad | Nov 21 03:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | yet, I have never had trouble with it, and it is more up to date than almost any other distro out there | Nov 21 03:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | and btw, as for rolling releases, sid isnt even a release | Nov 21 03:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a statement. | Nov 21 03:50 |
| prurigro | haha, yea, sid's been around for a while now | Nov 21 03:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | packages deemed extra stable eventually make it into testing, and then they turn a stable snapshot of testing into the next stable release | Nov 21 03:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | sid never stops | Nov 21 03:51 |
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| prurigro | yea, its like the rolling release that builds releases, sorta | Nov 21 03:51 |
| prurigro | you can, on that note, draw a pretty clear parallel between arch's rolling release and sid if you get past its purpose | Nov 21 03:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, where do you think arch got the idea? | Nov 21 03:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just dont think releases have any place, however. | Nov 21 03:53 |
| prurigro | gentoo as much as debian surely, but touche- and I fully agree | Nov 21 03:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | Manually upgrading an OS is something Microsoft made up. | Nov 21 03:53 |
| prurigro | a release is out of date | Nov 21 03:53 |
| prurigro | by definition | Nov 21 03:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | why upgrade when you can just continually update to whatever is newet | Nov 21 03:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | *newest | Nov 21 03:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | a distro isnt software, its a collection of software, and all of that software has different release schedules | Nov 21 03:53 |
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| prurigro | seriously, its so much cleaner than doing a huge dump of upgrades every 6 months | Nov 21 03:54 |
| prurigro | *cough* | Nov 21 03:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: exactly | Nov 21 03:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | but Ive used debian for over a decade | Nov 21 03:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | I simply do not understand other distros. | Nov 21 03:54 |
| prurigro | arch is actually fairly similar to debian | Nov 21 03:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | when you already have a perfect system, why make something else | Nov 21 03:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | arch is... I dunno | Nov 21 03:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | its like a bunch of ex-gentooites tried to copy debian | Nov 21 03:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then fucked it up in the process | Nov 21 03:55 |
| prurigro | haha, its a slightly different direction | Nov 21 03:55 |
| prurigro | everything is vanilla | Nov 21 03:55 |
| prurigro | first of all | Nov 21 03:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah thats another thing | Nov 21 03:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | all vanilla isnt good when a lot of projects tend to botch releases | Nov 21 03:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | gcc included *cough* | Nov 21 03:55 |
| prurigro | haha, well they do apply patches, rather | Nov 21 03:56 |
| prurigro | but configuration is vanilla I mean | Nov 21 03:56 |
| prurigro | a lot of patches come from debian as much as upstream | Nov 21 03:56 |
| prurigro | all the files in /etc are as the projects you have the software installed for intended | Nov 21 03:57 |
| prurigro | the other big thing, and my personal reason for choosing arch of debian, is their PKGBUILD setup, and aur.archlinux.org | Nov 21 03:57 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Really? I thought Arch was more akin to some merger of ideas from Slackware and Gentoo. | Nov 21 03:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: well, I dunno | Nov 21 03:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just dont like arch | Nov 21 03:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | it left a bad taste in my mouth when I tried it last | Nov 21 03:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just very immature for a distro | Nov 21 03:58 |
| prurigro | XFaCE: arch is actually what you think, though one could argue gentoo got ideas from sid | Nov 21 03:58 |
| prurigro | it is, or was? | Nov 21 03:58 |
| prurigro | when did you try it? | Nov 21 03:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh, like a year ago | Nov 21 03:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | when it got popular | Nov 21 03:58 |
| prurigro | it only got popular a year ago? | Nov 21 03:58 |
| prurigro | I've been running it for almost 4 now, it must be | Nov 21 03:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | arguably its still not popular, so be happy I said that much | Nov 21 03:59 |
| prurigro | distrowatch could argue | Nov 21 03:59 |
| prurigro | :) | Nov 21 03:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | distrowatch is not really a viable source of statistics | Nov 21 03:59 |
| prurigro | if you believe their stats at least | Nov 21 03:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, it thinks mint is the most popular distro ever | Nov 21 03:59 |
| prurigro | lol, maybe it is right now? | Nov 21 04:00 |
| prurigro | I'm not sure what it uses to measure though | Nov 21 04:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | over the past 6 months according to them | Nov 21 04:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | I know _no one_ that uses it. | Nov 21 04:00 |
| prurigro | its been seeing a lot of references made to it online | Nov 21 04:00 |
| prurigro | on that note | Nov 21 04:00 |
| prurigro | and someone mentioned it earlier over here, I think | Nov 21 04:01 |
| prurigro | but that said, me either | Nov 21 04:01 |
| prurigro | I was half thinking of loading it up on my step dad's box though, since he needs user friendlyness and I'd never subject him to ubuntu | Nov 21 04:02 |
| prurigro | anyway, what made you feel bad about arch? I've been using it for probably 4 years at this point, and each installation is about the age of each box its on | Nov 21 04:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dunno, it just didnt really offer anything useful | Nov 21 04:04 |
| prurigro | no issues, no crashes, very good support | Nov 21 04:04 |
| prurigro | aur.archlinux.org | Nov 21 04:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | arch has a lot of "we did it differently just to be different" crap | Nov 21 04:04 |
| prurigro | I feel like they're doing stuff with the opposite philosophy | Nov 21 04:04 |
| prurigro | every distro tries to incorporate packages into their way of doing things, while arch tries to change as little as possible | Nov 21 04:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | alpine tries that | Nov 21 04:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | but not because of those reasons | Nov 21 04:06 |
| prurigro | but mostly, I think the aur is their revolutionary bit-- mind you that its both where arch stands out, and why it can never become the linux of the masses | Nov 21 04:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | alpine thinks debian alters some packages too far | Nov 21 04:06 |
| prurigro | not as far as ubuntu | Nov 21 04:06 |
| prurigro | but it does take things away from their roots | Nov 21 04:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu breaks more shit than an incontinent man at a chili cookoff. | Nov 21 04:06 |
| prurigro | lol, I'm glad ubuntu exists as the OS to bring all other linux OS' together towards a common hate =D | Nov 21 04:07 |
| prurigro | that said, I wonder if mandrake is still around... | Nov 21 04:08 |
| XFaCE | Then comes XFaCE to talk about 100% free distros! | Nov 21 04:08 |
| prurigro | oh dear god, mandriva is still around :o | Nov 21 04:08 |
| *XFaCE is smacked royally by Diablo-D3 | Nov 21 04:09 | |
| Diablo-D3 | mandrake is dead | Nov 21 04:09 |
| prurigro | lol, parabola? | Nov 21 04:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | so is suse, and I dont care if the suse camp says they are alive, get on the fucking cart. | Nov 21 04:09 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: Trisquel, Debian sorta | Nov 21 04:09 |
| prurigro | lol, was someone saying yesterday that suse had been purchased by M$ or something? | Nov 21 04:10 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: Theoretically, parabola should have no real problems compared to Arch, right? | Nov 21 04:10 |
| prurigro | and word, so we got 3 completely free distros we know of at this point? | Nov 21 04:10 |
| XFaCE | More | Nov 21 04:10 |
| prurigro | parabola is essentially arch with a blacklist | Nov 21 04:10 |
| XFaCE | There's Blag and Uluto | Nov 21 04:10 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: Don't forget the kernel | Nov 21 04:10 |
| prurigro | the kernel? | Nov 21 04:10 |
| XFaCE | And Gnewsense, but that's like nichest of niche things | Nov 21 04:11 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: The libre kernel | Nov 21 04:11 |
| prurigro | oh, in parabola? yea, I suppose I shoulda said blacklist + replacements in some cases | Nov 21 04:11 |
| prurigro | I'm still not sure I get where the non-free stuff in the arch kernel comes from | Nov 21 04:11 |
| XFaCE | proprietary kernel blobs | Nov 21 04:12 |
| XFaCE | And...prepare for the Diablo-D3 response... | Nov 21 04:12 |
| *XFaCE ducks | Nov 21 04:12 | |
| prurigro | lol, but the blobs are added after the fact, I'm fairly sure | Nov 21 04:13 |
| XFaCE | <.< | Nov 21 04:13 |
| prurigro | like, until you install nvidia for example | Nov 21 04:13 |
| XFaCE | >.> | Nov 21 04:13 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3 is awfully quiet | Nov 21 04:13 |
| prurigro | all of a sudden | Nov 21 04:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | what? | Nov 21 04:13 |
| XFaCE | !google linux libre wikipedia | Nov 21 04:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | I was busy flaming someone on HN | Nov 21 04:13 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: No! See what you did! | Nov 21 04:13 |
| prurigro | HN? | Nov 21 04:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnewsense is retarded | Nov 21 04:14 |
| prurigro | and lol, delivering the punishment tonight are we? | Nov 21 04:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | you want gnewsense? install debian, dont enable non-free repo. | Nov 21 04:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | ding. | Nov 21 04:14 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Agreed | Nov 21 04:14 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: IT's useful for the people who can make it useful | Nov 21 04:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | for the rest of us, we have shit to do. | Nov 21 04:14 |
| XFaCE | In other words, not intrinsically. | Nov 21 04:14 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: lol | Nov 21 04:15 |
| prurigro | lol but but | Nov 21 04:16 |
| prurigro | they hve ubuntu too! | Nov 21 04:16 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: Not anywhere near being 100% FSF approved | Nov 21 04:16 |
| prurigro | gnewsense? | Nov 21 04:17 |
| XFaCE | gnewsense is | Nov 21 04:17 |
| prurigro | comical attempt, in that case | Nov 21 04:17 |
| XFaCE | Gnewsense is kinda pointless though now, since Trisquel does everything it does better | Nov 21 04:17 |
| XFaCE | Gnewsense just runs on more platforms, making it ideal for the people running Lemote YeeLoongs | Nov 21 04:17 |
| prurigro | whats trisquel based off? | Nov 21 04:18 |
| XFaCE | Ubuntu | Nov 21 04:18 |
| prurigro | oh dear lol | Nov 21 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora doesn't consider firmware as code | Nov 21 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | it considers it as content | Nov 21 04:18 |
| Brendan_T | Parabola is somewhat compiled for yeelongs | Nov 21 04:18 |
| prurigro | we had that debate on parabola | Nov 21 04:18 |
| prurigro | decided firmware was code | Nov 21 04:18 |
| XFaCE | As has the FSF | Nov 21 04:18 |
| XFaCE | I would love to continue, but must sleep now | Nov 21 04:19 |
| prurigro | yea, actually the debate was more on whether applications that use firmware should be allowed | Nov 21 04:19 |
| XFaCE | well, if they work without it, why not? | Nov 21 04:19 |
| XFaCE | and now, bulk goodbye | Nov 21 04:20 |
| XFaCE | GN Diablo-D3 | Nov 21 04:20 |
| XFaCE | GN prurigro | Nov 21 04:20 |
| prurigro | ciao | Nov 21 04:20 |
| XFaCE | GN DaemonFC | Nov 21 04:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | night XFaCE | Nov 21 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | night | Nov 21 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | "Thus, while high-level firmware (or software) typically is stored as a configuration of charges, low-level firmware may instead often be regarded as actual hardware in itself. " | Nov 21 04:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | also, btw, firmware isnt code. | Nov 21 04:20 |
| XFaCE | oh an | Nov 21 04:20 |
| XFaCE | d | Nov 21 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | I tend to see it that way | Nov 21 04:20 |
| Brendan_T | bye bye | Nov 21 04:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | at least, you cant blanket say that | Nov 21 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | it's part of the hardware | Nov 21 04:20 |
| *XFaCE gives channel operator status to prurigro | Nov 21 04:21 | |
| Brendan_T | meta meta meta hardware | Nov 21 04:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | some firmware is merely data, and on the opposite end some firmware is a goddamned fucking fpga schematic | Nov 21 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | if they shipped the same code on the hardware you'd get the same thing, only it couldn't be updated by the manufacturer | Nov 21 04:21 |
| *XFaCE gives channel operator status to Diablo-D3 | Nov 21 04:21 | |
| DaemonFC | yet the FSF argues for that | Nov 21 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | even though it's less ideal | Nov 21 04:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | in cases like wifi, it exists to lock out features because the law is gay | Nov 21 04:21 |
| XFaCE | Good, the same number of ops as before | Nov 21 04:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not going away, and RMS beating his chest isnt going to fix it | Nov 21 04:22 |
| prurigro | hmm, yea, its a pretty fine line | Nov 21 04:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | in cases like video cards, its part of the hardware so stfu. | Nov 21 04:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | same with network cards | Nov 21 04:22 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Err, if it's part of the kernel, than it is separate from the hardware | Nov 21 04:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: its not part of it, it merely loads it | Nov 21 04:22 |
| prurigro | blanket statements tend to make trouble | Nov 21 04:22 |
| prurigro | what about in cases like the ps | Nov 21 04:23 |
| XFaCE | Ok, if it's external from the hardware, then its external form the hardware | Nov 21 04:23 |
| prurigro | playstation, ratehr | Nov 21 04:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: not at all | Nov 21 04:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | in old days, it was in a flash rom on the hardware | Nov 21 04:23 |
| prurigro | where its hardware with software, but eventually an open source emulation of the firmware was created | Nov 21 04:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | they decided to make the driver do it and not pay the cost of the flash rom. | Nov 21 04:23 |
| XFaCE | OK, then they should keep it there | Nov 21 04:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: see above. | Nov 21 04:23 |
| XFaCE | Well, then they opened up a can of worms | Nov 21 04:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | no they didnt. | Nov 21 04:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | only people like RMS does. | Nov 21 04:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | the driver uploads a bunch of bytes to initalize the hardware | Nov 21 04:24 |
| XFaCE | I remember an AMD engineer discussing that the firmware blob contained code relating to DRM, and I mean the bad kind | Nov 21 04:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not software in any sense to the computer | Nov 21 04:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: no. | Nov 21 04:24 |
| XFaCE | yes, I remember this clearly | Nov 21 04:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats contained in the onboard firmware in radeons | Nov 21 04:24 |
| Brendan_T | what is the good kind? | Nov 21 04:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats NOT uploaded by the driver | Nov 21 04:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | the blob that radeon drivers upload is actually part of the command processor | Nov 21 04:25 |
| XFaCE | Brendan_T: One that's a driver function | Nov 21 04:25 |
| XFaCE | !google DRM wikipedia driver module | Nov 21 04:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | which you CAN write an open source version of atombios | Nov 21 04:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one has done it yet | Nov 21 04:25 |
| prurigro | so I suppose the FSF would prefer an open source implementation of hardware be written | Nov 21 04:26 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Well, it makes sense that they would want to push HW manufacturers to do it themselves | Nov 21 04:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: for who to do what themselves? | Nov 21 04:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: yes, but thats outside of the realm of the FSF. | Nov 21 04:27 |
| XFaCE | The HW manufacturers, to push them away from the proprietary implementations | Nov 21 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: and it also doesnt matter | Nov 21 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: except thats nonsensical | Nov 21 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | its _hardware_ | Nov 21 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | of course its fucking proprietary | Nov 21 04:28 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Yes, and the TPM was just hardware too | Nov 21 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | except that implies the TPM is something its not | Nov 21 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the implication goes wrong twice | Nov 21 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | TPM as envisioned by Microsoft doesnt work | Nov 21 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | it wont stop people from doing what the fuck they want | Nov 21 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | its designed wrong | Nov 21 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | the other implication is that the TPM is unable to do good | Nov 21 04:30 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: That's not my point. | Nov 21 04:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | now, if it actually did work, which it doesnt, but if it did, I could do an entire secure boot chain using purely FOSS software. | Nov 21 04:30 |
| XFaCE | But anyway, I really need to do | Nov 21 04:30 |
| XFaCE | go | Nov 21 04:30 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Be a good room-op | Nov 21 04:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | night XFaCE | Nov 21 04:31 |
| XFaCE | night | Nov 21 04:31 |
| *XFaCE has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Nov 21 04:31 | |
| prurigro | I suppose the fsf wants its ideas to bleed out, to some respect | Nov 21 04:35 |
| *Diablo-D3 shrugs | Nov 21 04:35 | |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt really matter | Nov 21 04:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, if Windows wasnt a pile of shit, I would have never ran Linux | Nov 21 04:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont run Linux because of hippie bullshit about freedom and beat poet societies and shit like that | Nov 21 04:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | I run it because its the least shitty solution | Nov 21 04:36 |
| prurigro | haha, I run it because I got bored :) | Nov 21 04:36 |
| prurigro | I do like the philosophy now that I'm here on that note | Nov 21 04:36 |
| prurigro | I believe it was a grade 9 math test, if I remember correctly | Nov 21 04:38 |
| prurigro | I'd opened my book to start studying when I realized how boring windows 98 was | Nov 21 04:38 |
| prurigro | and decided it was time to try that linux thing I'd been hearing about | Nov 21 04:38 |
| Brendan_T | thats kinda sad | Nov 21 04:39 |
| prurigro | haha | Nov 21 04:39 |
| prurigro | why you say that | Nov 21 04:39 |
| prurigro | ? | Nov 21 04:39 |
| Brendan_T | i was aiming towards Diablo's comment | Nov 21 04:39 |
| prurigro | it was gonna come eventually I'm sure, my friend had been talking about how much difficulty he'd been having with it | Nov 21 04:39 |
| prurigro | oh kk | Nov 21 04:39 |
| prurigro | sounds good :) | Nov 21 04:40 |
| Brendan_T | interesting moment to think about trying linux | Nov 21 04:40 |
| prurigro | howd you get into it? | Nov 21 04:41 |
| Brendan_T | hardly even remember really, and it wasnt even that long ago. Ubuntu 8.04 | Nov 21 04:41 |
| prurigro | oh wow, the ubuntu era eh? | Nov 21 04:42 |
| prurigro | I think 8.04 was one of their better releases, if I'm remembering correctly? | Nov 21 04:42 |
| Brendan_T | I suppose i developed a hate for microsoft and similar | Nov 21 04:42 |
| prurigro | big corporations can't be trusted with our interests, I'd argue | Nov 21 04:43 |
| Brendan_T | i did went through a big cracked software faze, with gigabytes upon gigabytes of illegal things installed | Nov 21 04:43 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 21 04:43 |
| Brendan_T | i did went :) | Nov 21 04:43 |
| prurigro | I did done there myself, at one time | Nov 21 04:44 |
| prurigro | =D | Nov 21 04:44 |
| prurigro | astalavista | Nov 21 04:44 |
| prurigro | hundreds of rar files | Nov 21 04:44 |
| prurigro | and voila | Nov 21 04:44 |
| Brendan_T | it wasnt until much later that i learnt about the gnu side of things | Nov 21 04:44 |
| prurigro | you mean the philosophy beyond linux as an alternative? | Nov 21 04:45 |
| Brendan_T | got really shitty about having learnt about "Linux" and not the more acurate history | Nov 21 04:45 |
| prurigro | haha, how so? | Nov 21 04:45 |
| Brendan_T | well the open source peeps do a good job of pretending that gnu doesnt exist, it seems | Nov 21 04:46 |
| prurigro | aren't the open source peeps also the gnu peeps? | Nov 21 04:46 |
| Brendan_T | eric raymond started it when he got a divorce with the fsf | Nov 21 04:46 |
| prurigro | ohh, so there's a separate idea of 'open source' now? | Nov 21 04:47 |
| Brendan_T | what do you mean? | Nov 21 04:47 |
| prurigro | well I mean, open source = GPLv2 right? | Nov 21 04:47 |
| prurigro | sometimes v3 | Nov 21 04:47 |
| Brendan_T | there was "free software" for a while, then eric raymond broke of saying he didnt like it and started "open source" | Nov 21 04:47 |
| Brendan_T | which presses the technical advantages over the freedom ones | Nov 21 04:48 |
| prurigro | ahh, interesting | Nov 21 04:48 |
| Brendan_T | http://www.catb.org/esr/open-source.html | Nov 21 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | open source and free software are effectively the same thing | Nov 21 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's rephrased such to where it sounds less like religious hippie crap | Nov 21 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | and more like a great development method you can pitch to a suit | Nov 21 04:49 |
| Brendan_T | and makes everyone miss the point, and easily use proprietary software | Nov 21 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | and open source has probably done more for free software than free software has done for free software | Nov 21 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's a bigger tent | Nov 21 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | instead of an obstacle | Nov 21 04:49 |
| prurigro | I can see both advantages and disadvantages | Nov 21 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | I use the term interchangeably because I see very little difference | Nov 21 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | open source is more descriptive than free software | Nov 21 04:50 |
| Brendan_T | do some research | Nov 21 04:50 |
| prurigro | it was definitely an idea that both attracted someone I worked for, but also convinced him his project should only give back where it was convenient | Nov 21 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | free software sounds like "I got a free Windows license so Microsoft gave me free software" | Nov 21 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | it leads the listener to miss the entire point | Nov 21 04:50 |
| Brendan_T | open source gets you Linux, free software gets you linux-libre | Nov 21 04:50 |
| prurigro | (open source) | Nov 21 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | and requires the speaker to stop and explain what they mean | Nov 21 04:50 |
| prurigro | if we all spoke french things would be less confusing | Nov 21 04:51 |
| Brendan_T | why? | Nov 21 04:51 |
| prurigro | I'm sure other languages would differentiate better too | Nov 21 04:51 |
| Brendan_T | of the free stuff | Nov 21 04:51 |
| Brendan_T | learn Lojban :) | Nov 21 04:51 |
| prurigro | free speach = libre, free beer = gratuit | Nov 21 04:51 |
| Brendan_T | well there is a branch of free software peeps that use libre | Nov 21 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | the term free software is also open to hijack by trolls | Nov 21 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | and ignorants | Nov 21 04:52 |
| Brendan_T | most at parabola do | Nov 21 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | "Oh look at those freetards" | Nov 21 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | "they think you shouldn't have to pay for anything" | Nov 21 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | "if all software was free, there would be no businesses" | Nov 21 04:52 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 21 04:53 |
| prurigro | well, does this actually pose an issue beyond eye rolls? | Nov 21 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | open source on the other hand, is a much easier concept | Nov 21 04:53 |
| prurigro | these people clearly aren't intelligent enough to be worth bringing into the community anyway | Nov 21 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | open, as done out in the open | Nov 21 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | open, as inclusive | Nov 21 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | I think open source is the better term | Nov 21 04:54 |
| prurigro | and that said, did open source not exist back in ~1999-2000 too? | Nov 21 04:54 |
| prurigro | long before this split occured? | Nov 21 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | there was no real split | Nov 21 04:54 |
| Brendan_T | aparently some people use the term "free world" to kinda say "free/libre software world", but some cultures who were on the other end of the cold war get shivers down their spine at the sound of it lol | Nov 21 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | they both accomplish the same thing | Nov 21 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | Richard Stallman says they don't because he wants everyone to use copyleft | Nov 21 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | when he talks about free software, he excludes a lot of it | Nov 21 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | and causes what is effectively a class war | Nov 21 04:55 |
| prurigro | well lets call it a 'supposed split' then | Nov 21 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | the difference is in the mentality | Nov 21 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | almost all open source software is free software | Nov 21 04:56 |
| prurigro | but open source was literally part of free software up till then | Nov 21 04:56 |
| prurigro | no? | Nov 21 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | and almost all free software is open source | Nov 21 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | no | Nov 21 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | open source existed before free software | Nov 21 04:56 |
| Brendan_T | the term 'open source' didnt though... ? | Nov 21 04:57 |
| prurigro | ahhh kk, that would also make sense in my timeline of events | Nov 21 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | nobody had named it that | Nov 21 04:57 |
| prurigro | the term did | Nov 21 04:57 |
| prurigro | I'm fairly sure | Nov 21 04:57 |
| Brendan_T | i swear i read that when eric left free software they kinda pondered around for a new term and came up with it | Nov 21 04:57 |
| prurigro | like, unless my brain is applying false information to past event, I remember the term open source right back to the time I started using linux | Nov 21 04:57 |
| Brendan_T | or something like that | Nov 21 04:57 |
| prurigro | that does seem to be what the page is saying on that note | Nov 21 04:58 |
| prurigro | hence me wanting to clarify | Nov 21 04:58 |
| prurigro | DaemonFC: do you remember? | Nov 21 04:58 |
| prurigro | or know | Nov 21 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | the MIT X11 license existed a long time before the term open source did | Nov 21 04:59 |
| cubezzz | well you can go all the way back to Unix v5 | Nov 21 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | but its goals were more open source than free software | Nov 21 04:59 |
| cubezzz | but was it "open" when it first was released, I'm not sure | Nov 21 04:59 |
| prurigro | well I'm talking pre 2007 | Nov 21 04:59 |
| prurigro | more | Nov 21 04:59 |
| prurigro | when that doc Brendan_T mentioned came out | Nov 21 05:00 |
| prurigro | http://www.catb.org/esr/open-source.html this one | Nov 21 05:00 |
| cubezzz | the Lion's Commentary on Unix was v6 | Nov 21 05:00 |
| cubezzz | then there was trouble after that | Nov 21 05:01 |
| cubezzz | also people had trouble installing BSD on 386's | Nov 21 05:01 |
| cubezzz | also I heard the BSD guys weren't too friendly | Nov 21 05:02 |
| prurigro | wasn't BSD looking at some legality issues around then too? | Nov 21 05:02 |
| cubezzz | may explain why Linux caught on... the Linux group was just nicer | Nov 21 05:03 |
| prurigro | Bell Labs was also trying to recover some cash when they realized unix was making headway too | Nov 21 05:03 |
| prurigro | I believe | Nov 21 05:03 |
| prurigro | hence Linus deciding to try a spinoff | Nov 21 05:03 |
| cubezzz | they didn't want people using the term "Unix" | Nov 21 05:03 |
| cubezzz | or UNIX or whatever it was | Nov 21 05:03 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 21 05:04 |
| prurigro | I think there was a bit of stuff involved in continueing to spread the source around too | Nov 21 05:04 |
| cubezzz | there were huge flame-wars over monolithic kernel vs. micro-kernel | Nov 21 05:04 |
| prurigro | lol, those were still going on when I started | Nov 21 05:05 |
| prurigro | along with emacs vs vim | Nov 21 05:05 |
| prurigro | funny how times change | Nov 21 05:05 |
| prurigro | after staying the same for so long | Nov 21 05:05 |
| cubezzz | Linux was smaller in the beginning too, so people had less diskettes to download to get it, vs BSD | Nov 21 05:05 |
| prurigro | hmm true | Nov 21 05:06 |
| *Brendan_T uses emacs | Nov 21 05:06 | |
| prurigro | Brendan_T: oh no you didn't! =D | Nov 21 05:06 |
| Brendan_T | i only know less than 10 key combinations though | Nov 21 05:06 |
| prurigro | all you need? | Nov 21 05:06 |
| Brendan_T | ha | Nov 21 05:06 |
| cubezzz | back in the 70's you needed a PDP of some sort to get in the game | Nov 21 05:07 |
| cubezzz | so probably you _could_ get a mag tape and hack around | Nov 21 05:07 |
| prurigro | I'm so glad I didn't grow up in the 70s | Nov 21 05:07 |
| prurigro | all the cool people, like that guy from the merry pranksters.. whats his name | Nov 21 05:07 |
| cubezzz | but would you have access to a computer than could run Unix? that's the problem | Nov 21 05:07 |
| cubezzz | that | Nov 21 05:07 |
| prurigro | anyway, everyone who knows their shit from tht time had to have been involved in some crazy shit to have gotten the knowhow | Nov 21 05:07 |
| cubezzz | some of the PDP's folks looked down on the PC folks | Nov 21 05:08 |
| cubezzz | that didn't help | Nov 21 05:08 |
| prurigro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Brand | Nov 21 05:08 |
| prurigro | lol, well the PC folks woulda been nubs compared to them | Nov 21 05:09 |
| Brendan_T | we should bring mainframes back into fashion | Nov 21 05:09 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 21 05:09 |
| prurigro | we have servers with terminals | Nov 21 05:09 |
| prurigro | does that count? | Nov 21 05:09 |
| Brendan_T | i remember in highschool someone told me they 'knew how to hack into the schools mainframe' | Nov 21 05:09 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 21 05:09 |
| prurigro | a few too many episodes of reboot? | Nov 21 05:09 |
| cubezzz | even in the 80's "open" wasn't common | Nov 21 05:10 |
| Brendan_T | dont know it | Nov 21 05:10 |
| cubezzz | we had stuff like sun4's running sunOS | Nov 21 05:10 |
| prurigro | maybe its just canadian? first cg cartoon I think | Nov 21 05:10 |
| cubezzz | I don't recall anyone with source code to the whole OS though | Nov 21 05:10 |
| prurigro | cubezzz: wasn't unix running under the bsd license? | Nov 21 05:10 |
| Brendan_T | http://xkcd.com/378/ | Nov 21 05:10 |
| cubezzz | there's Bell Labs Unix, then BSD came later | Nov 21 05:11 |
| prurigro | classic | Nov 21 05:11 |
| prurigro | cubezzz: ohh, hmm, is bsd not based off the same trunk as bell labs once was? | Nov 21 05:12 |
| cubezzz | well Berkeley got Unix from AT&T | Nov 21 05:13 |
| cubezzz | Berkeley got a PDP-11 in 1974 | Nov 21 05:14 |
| cubezzz | so they started hacking around 1977 | Nov 21 05:14 |
| prurigro | hmm, so the short answer is yes? | Nov 21 05:15 |
| prurigro | but that the license came later/ | Nov 21 05:15 |
| prurigro | ? | Nov 21 05:15 |
| cubezzz | well the Licenses were proprietary at the start | Nov 21 05:16 |
| cubezzz | then gradually it became open | Nov 21 05:16 |
| prurigro | even berkley? | Nov 21 05:16 |
| cubezzz | they were subject to the AT&T software license at the start | Nov 21 05:17 |
| cubezzz | once BSD got rid of the AT&T licensed code, I would suppose that would make it possible to use a BSD license at that point | Nov 21 05:19 |
| cubezzz | so from Net/1 onwards | Nov 21 05:20 |
| prurigro | interesting- yea, I was never completely clear on when the BSD license popped up, I think it was pre GNU though | Nov 21 05:20 |
| prurigro | ahhh | Nov 21 05:20 |
| prurigro | any idea what year that woulda been? | Nov 21 05:21 |
| cubezzz | but there was a problem with Net/1 | Nov 21 05:21 |
| prurigro | or even decade? haha | Nov 21 05:21 |
| prurigro | oh? | Nov 21 05:21 |
| cubezzz | Net/1 was June 1989 | Nov 21 05:21 |
| prurigro | ahh word, so after GNU then eh? | Nov 21 05:21 |
| cubezzz | so you can see that the 80's wasn't really a time of "openness" | Nov 21 05:21 |
| cubezzz | prurigro, unfortunately the GNU folks didn't have a complete OS | Nov 21 05:22 |
| cubezzz | you know that part I'm sure | Nov 21 05:22 |
| prurigro | yea, they were sitting there with the toolkit | Nov 21 05:22 |
| cubezzz | we had stuff like Desqview, Topview and MSDOS and BBSes :) | Nov 21 05:23 |
| cubezzz | I suppose there were a few Xenix boxes too | Nov 21 05:23 |
| prurigro | lol, I remember using my first BBS in 1992 | Nov 21 05:23 |
| cubezzz | oh and C-net on c64's was pretty common too | Nov 21 05:24 |
| prurigro | I learned computing on a c64 | Nov 21 05:24 |
| prurigro | c-net? | Nov 21 05:24 |
| prurigro | was that the loader system? | Nov 21 05:24 |
| cubezzz | Tanenbaum wrote his book in 1987 but I never heard about it until probably oh 1993-94 | Nov 21 05:24 |
| cubezzz | prurigro, BBS that supported c64 character graphics | Nov 21 05:25 |
| prurigro | oh word, I heard c64s could do stuff like that, but it definitely wasn't common practice haha | Nov 21 05:26 |
| prurigro | in fact, I remember reading about a c64 web server someone built a few years back | Nov 21 05:27 |
| cubezzz | well the 1541's would overheat and you had 64K so.... | Nov 21 05:27 |
| prurigro | lol, their 1mhz in all its glory? | Nov 21 05:28 |
| cubezzz | the drive's could get warm | Nov 21 05:29 |
| prurigro | oh you mean the 1541 drive, not the 1541 cpu? | Nov 21 05:29 |
| cubezzz | there's no 1541 cpu | Nov 21 05:29 |
| cubezzz | the 1541 was the model number of the floppy drive we used | Nov 21 05:29 |
| prurigro | hm, I just checked, you're right- the '1541 cpu' was the cpu in the drive haha, I'd always thought it was the actual cpu | Nov 21 05:30 |
| cubezzz | there's a cpu inside the drive, yes | Nov 21 05:30 |
| cubezzz | 6502 | Nov 21 05:31 |
| prurigro | I'd read a while back that the 1541 cpu was used in processing, but I'm reading the same page now and it was talking about using the '1541 cpu to help in calculations'-- obviously referring to the cpu in the drive, and not the name of that cpu, which I'm guessing is the 6502? | Nov 21 05:33 |
| cubezzz | yes | Nov 21 05:33 |
| cubezzz | used in 1571 and 1581 drives also | Nov 21 05:33 |
| prurigro | interesting-- I'll have to dig mine up and see what kinda drive it has *curious now* | Nov 21 05:34 |
| cubezzz | for me the 40 characters per line was a real pain | Nov 21 05:34 |
| cubezzz | but it was cheap | Nov 21 05:34 |
| prurigro | lol, yea, and surprisingly capable, considering its limitations | Nov 21 05:34 |
| cubezzz | I mean the old coding forms were 72 characters | Nov 21 05:35 |
| cubezzz | so 40 characters across wasn't too fun for programming | Nov 21 05:35 |
| prurigro | oh hmm, what kind of environment had you learned in? | Nov 21 05:36 |
| cubezzz | well I started with BASIC on a Commodore PET :) | Nov 21 05:36 |
| cubezzz | but later on it was Fortran | Nov 21 05:36 |
| prurigro | ohhh basic =D | Nov 21 05:36 |
| prurigro | that was my first language too | Nov 21 05:36 |
| prurigro | and damn, Fortran eh? | Nov 21 05:36 |
| cubezzz | I did some Cobol too | Nov 21 05:36 |
| prurigro | wait, rewind to basic | Nov 21 05:36 |
| prurigro | how many lines did the PET give? | Nov 21 05:37 |
| cubezzz | depends on which PET | Nov 21 05:37 |
| prurigro | err | Nov 21 05:37 |
| prurigro | chars per lilne* | Nov 21 05:37 |
| cubezzz | the earliest ones, 40 characters per line | Nov 21 05:37 |
| prurigro | didn't you say you'd been used to 72? | Nov 21 05:37 |
| cubezzz | well you could have more than 40 characters per statement by abusing colons | Nov 21 05:38 |
| cubezzz | but it was messy | Nov 21 05:38 |
| prurigro | better to just keep to the limitation eh? | Nov 21 05:38 |
| cubezzz | well in those days we would pack a ton of stuff on one line to save memory | Nov 21 05:39 |
| cubezzz | it was a terrible practise | Nov 21 05:39 |
| prurigro | lol, I remember my uncle talking of these hacks | Nov 21 05:39 |
| prurigro | apparently good for getting into the embedded systems market we have today | Nov 21 05:39 |
| cubezzz | when I was using Fortran we had 80-character terminals | Nov 21 05:39 |
| cubezzz | so we didn't do any silly stuff like pack 256 characters into one line | Nov 21 05:40 |
| prurigro | word, not a home box I'm guessing | Nov 21 05:40 |
| prurigro | ?\ | Nov 21 05:40 |
| prurigro | op hrm, gf says its time for bed, so it seems I might need to head off | Nov 21 05:40 |
| cubezzz | some CDC term | Nov 21 05:40 |
| cubezzz | CDC 110 I think it was | Nov 21 05:40 |
| prurigro | oh cool! | Nov 21 05:40 |
| prurigro | I'm sad I missed out on getting to play with something like that | Nov 21 05:41 |
| cubezzz | you can still buy a DEC VT100 :) | Nov 21 05:41 |
| prurigro | hmmm, ebay? | Nov 21 05:41 |
| cubezzz | yes | Nov 21 05:42 |
| cubezzz | DEC was a big deal at one time | Nov 21 05:42 |
| prurigro | hmm, I'm gonna have to see what these costs when I wake up :) | Nov 21 05:42 |
| prurigro | anyway, should run for now | Nov 21 05:42 |
| cubezzz | ok, later | Nov 21 05:43 |
| prurigro | twas a good chat @cubezzz, and everyone else | Nov 21 05:43 |
| prurigro | have a good night :) | Nov 21 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | Sysinfo for 'ryan-desktop': Linux 3.1.2-0.rc1.1.fc16.x86_64 running KDE Development Platform 4.7.3 (4.7.3), CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 945 at 800 MHz (5986 bogomips), HD: 15/909GB, RAM: 5741/7988MB, 193 proc's, 2.18h up | Nov 21 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | there's a 3.2 rc series kernel up but it's stamped Fedora 17 | Nov 21 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | which means debugging is on | Nov 21 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | which means it will be slow | Nov 21 06:11 |
| *DaemonFC just pulls in the latest one built for the stable Fedora series | Nov 21 06:11 | |
| DaemonFC | *sigh* | Nov 21 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | damn debug builds | Nov 21 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 21 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | the news keeps playing this budget committee crap like it's important | Nov 21 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | the "automatic cuts" if they don't reach a deal aren't so bad | Nov 21 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | half of them cut the Department of Defense | Nov 21 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | it would be the first budget cut they've had in decades | Nov 21 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/21/us/police-officers-involved-in-pepper-spraying-placed-on-leave.html?_r=1 | Nov 21 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | California's "Tony Baloney" copycat is on leave | Nov 21 06:39 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.pcworld.com/article/243282/microsoft_lures_new_ie9_users_with_freebies.html | Nov 21 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | now Microsoft is bribing people to use IE | Nov 21 06:57 |
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| MinceR | makes sense, considering that its usefulness is negative | Nov 21 07:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: How many Fandango tickets would YOU take to run this amazing piece of garbage? | Nov 21 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 21 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | *except in Nebraska | Nov 21 07:28 |
| MinceR | none. i have a better job than that :> | Nov 21 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR's job is sitting around using IE 9 to Discover Bing to get rewarded | Nov 21 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | slightly more respectable than jono | Nov 21 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 21 07:30 |
| MinceR | guess again | Nov 21 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | I kid, I kid :P | Nov 21 07:30 |
| jono | all jobs are more respectable than mine :-0 | Nov 21 07:33 |
| jono | :-) | Nov 21 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | jono the Ubuntu drm pimp | Nov 21 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | took time from his busy schedule | Nov 21 07:41 |
| jono | lol | Nov 21 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | to cover the free software song, metal version | Nov 21 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | on his free Windows 7, from Microsoft | Nov 21 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | hail! | Nov 21 07:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 21 07:42 |
| DaemonFC | jono says, "Bitch please, nobody installs their purchases on more than 5 computers without MY HAVING SAID SO!" | Nov 21 07:43 |
| DaemonFC | "What do you think this is? Fedora?" | Nov 21 07:43 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 21 07:43 |
| jono | heh | Nov 21 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | next UDS, go as the Little Caesar mascot | Nov 21 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | hot dogs are lame | Nov 21 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | Little Caesar is awesome | Nov 21 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | which reminds me, the last guy that was out waving at traffic in that costume got fired | Nov 21 07:45 |
| DaemonFC | he went in the video store next door and had his friends take pictures of himself in the Adult section | Nov 21 07:45 |
| DaemonFC | and posted them on Facebook | Nov 21 07:46 |
| DaemonFC | yet another Facebook victim | Nov 21 07:46 |
| DaemonFC | I think Facebook should be investigated for the stupidity of its users | Nov 21 07:46 |
| DaemonFC | right jono? | Nov 21 07:46 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, someone has to take care of these people otherwise they might try using a hair dryer in the bath tub | Nov 21 07:46 |
| DaemonFC | maybe an Ubuntu One Facebook indicator that doesn't let you post anything and just sits there | Nov 21 07:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's nice and safe, and in line with the other indicators | Nov 21 07:48 |
| DaemonFC | and since I thought of it, you have to pay me if you implement it | Nov 21 07:48 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 21 07:48 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/poll-result-15800-votes-cast-unity-named-most-popular-desktop/ | Nov 21 07:50 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Unity is the most popular desktop among Ubuntu users | Nov 21 07:50 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what the most popular media player on OS X is | Nov 21 07:50 |
| DaemonFC | why do they post things like this? | Nov 21 07:50 |
| DaemonFC | the stupid, it burns | Nov 21 07:50 |
| jono | haha | Nov 21 07:51 |
| jono | so how are you doing, DaemonFC? | Nov 21 07:51 |
| jono | long time no speak | Nov 21 07:51 |
| jono | all good with you? | Nov 21 07:51 |
| DaemonFC | awesome | Nov 21 07:52 |
| DaemonFC | Faenza has been updated | Nov 21 07:54 |
| DaemonFC | KFaenza always runs a bit behind | Nov 21 07:54 |
| DaemonFC | but it's good | Nov 21 07:54 |
| DaemonFC | Pinta has risen from the dead | Nov 21 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | *sigh* | Nov 21 07:56 |
| jono | DaemonFC, cool :-) | Nov 21 08:01 |
| jono | yeah we need a new icon set in Ubuntu | Nov 21 08:01 |
| jono | I know it has been discussed at Canonical | Nov 21 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | something that is neither orange nor purple | Nov 21 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | nor animal, vegetable, or mineral | Nov 21 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | maybe something from space | Nov 21 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 21 08:03 |
| jono | :-) | Nov 21 08:04 |
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| schestowitz | The savings offered from electronic texts become more obvious when you consider a well stocked library as part of a school. Textbooks alone are more close to equivalent if the device only lasts two or three years.The balance will shift dramatically as devices drop below $100 retail, like India's tablet projects will soon. | Nov 21 08:13 |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC: maybe something from macos | Nov 21 09:11 |
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| schestowitz | So phones can finally be more acceptable for input | Nov 21 09:16 |
| DaemonFC | hmm, the employment situation does get better in some areas | Nov 21 09:16 |
| DaemonFC | the prosecutor's office is seeking a child support enforcement officer | Nov 21 09:16 |
| DaemonFC | who must be able to handle a "large case load" | Nov 21 09:16 |
| DaemonFC | wonder why that could be :) | Nov 21 09:16 |
| DaemonFC | herp a derp, just because you don't have a job doesn't mean we won't send you to prison for not paying that | Nov 21 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | herp derp, better butter up your cornhole | Nov 21 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | you're going to jail, dickweed! | Nov 21 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 21 09:17 |
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| MinceR | i'd rather use an usb keyboard | Nov 21 09:21 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: USB is dinosaur technology | Nov 21 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | why aren't you useing something that eats batteries and dies with no warning? | Nov 21 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | ZOMG!!! | Nov 21 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 21 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | *using | Nov 21 09:23 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | what I don't get with this wireless shit it...... | Nov 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | you're five fucking feet from a USB port either way | Nov 21 09:24 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | and the fucking receiver takes a USB port | Nov 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | and now you're fucking using a set of batteries every fucking day | Nov 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | other than that I have no problem with that | Nov 21 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/316448_126875700755550_100002993624597_142433_475714319_n.jpg | Nov 21 09:27 |
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| MinceR | lol | Nov 21 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/378875_184888008262209_135617236522620_394620_250899143_n.jpg | Nov 21 09:30 |
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| DaemonFC | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/385205_184713781612965_135617236522620_394362_955329352_n.jpg | Nov 21 09:32 |
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| MinceR | lol | Nov 21 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/313107_184663494951327_135617236522620_394247_1665885629_n.jpg | Nov 21 09:33 |
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| MinceR | http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/cheesecake_goth.jpg | Nov 21 09:34 |
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| DaemonFC | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/317125_184412278309782_135617236522620_393300_558892658_n.jpg | Nov 21 09:34 |
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| DaemonFC | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/383220_184407014976975_135617236522620_393288_249877205_n.jpg | Nov 21 09:35 |
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| DaemonFC | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/376573_184401104977566_135617236522620_393236_74742705_n.jpg | Nov 21 09:35 |
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| schestowitz | ewww.. | Nov 21 09:38 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/383220_184407014976975_135617236522620_393288_249877205_n.jpg << why cat? | Nov 21 09:38 |
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| MinceR | for lolcatese | Nov 21 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/320522_182972638453746_135617236522620_387993_1376513_n.jpg | Nov 21 09:40 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I don't geedit :-) | Nov 21 09:40 |
| Brendan_T | so some old guy just walks in my door with some beer wondering why this is not the right house... | Nov 21 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/379893_190014217749588_135617236522620_408473_632810782_n.jpg | Nov 21 09:42 |
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| DaemonFC | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/386199_188975604520116_1438622493_n.jpg | Nov 21 09:44 |
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| DaemonFC | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315864_188957797855230_135617236522620_404681_1165047228_n.jpg | Nov 21 09:45 |
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| Brendan_T | that lady in the star wars one did actually do some porno's apparently, if you didnt know | Nov 21 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/373935_188283101256033_135617236522620_402742_655513021_n.jpg | Nov 21 09:47 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 21 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/379718_187882511296092_135617236522620_401620_312566736_n.jpg | Nov 21 09:50 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Mandriva Powerpack 2011 released http://ur1.ca/5z3k9 #linux | Nov 21 09:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Journal - a proposed syslog replacement http://ur1.ca/5x6ho #linux #kernel #sysadmin | Nov 21 09:53 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/306429_186863911397952_135617236522620_399411_171145126_n.jpg | Nov 21 09:53 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.h-online.com/open/features/What-s-new-in-openSUSE-12-1-1380131.html | Nov 21 09:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: What's new in openSUSE 12.1 - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 42.85 KB | Nov 21 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | "X Window System support is available for most graphics cards, using the X.Org server. As with other free operating systems it is highly recommended that Nvidia cards are avoided since this vendor continues to show tremendous resistance towards releasing information that would allow X.Org to support their hardware properly." | Nov 21 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | -OpenBSD | Nov 21 10:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Do Lawyers Ignore #Copyright Law? - http://bit.ly/s8EaB4 nice piece picking up on one of my #techdirt posts #opensource | Nov 21 10:01 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Open Minded: Do Lawyers Ignore Copyright Law? .::. Size~: 85.12 KB | Nov 21 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | [05:07] <Kevin_Kofler> DaemonFC: It's not news to anyone that NVidia is extremely unhelpful to Free Software. | Nov 21 10:09 |
| DaemonFC | [05:08] <Kevin_Kofler> Right now we're getting a flood of bug reports about some crash in glibc triggered by their driver. | Nov 21 10:09 |
| DaemonFC | [05:08] <Kevin_Kofler> (I think it uses text relocations or some such crappy feature no properly working application or library uses.) | Nov 21 10:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.esecurityplanet.com/browser-security/chrome-gets-2nd-critical-fix-in-a-week.html | Nov 21 10:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Chrome Gets 2nd Critical Fix in a Week - eSecurity Planet .::. Size~: 42.08 KB | Nov 21 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | What's funny about the Google Chrome security bug bounties is that it's usually people from Mozilla reporting them | Nov 21 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | even Microsoft has reported several | Nov 21 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | that thing is garbage | Nov 21 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | not to be trusted | Nov 21 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It still bugs you to sync with Google Perv | Nov 21 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/201037/6159/Google-software-engineer-fired-for-stalking-teenage-users | Nov 21 10:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google software engineer fired for stalking teenage users - Security .::. Size~: 22.9 KB | Nov 21 10:24 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2011/11/cloud-foundry/ | Nov 21 10:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Man Survives Steve Ballmer's Flying Chair To Build '21st Century Linux' | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com .::. Size~: 60.95 KB | Nov 21 10:26 |
| schestowitz | he moved to GOOG | Nov 21 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Do you use Google Perv yet? | Nov 21 10:26 |
| schestowitz | and then out again | Nov 21 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 21 10:26 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Nov 21 10:26 |
| schestowitz | !google gwwker gspook | Nov 21 10:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | No Google results | Nov 21 10:26 |
| schestowitz | !google gawker gspook | Nov 21 10:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Jens Bergmann - Google+ | https://plus.google.com/113451078685081664438 | Nov 21 10:26 |
| schestowitz | !google gawker gcreep | Nov 21 10:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - GCreep: Google Engineer Stalked Teens, Spied on Chats (Updated) | http://gawker.com/5637234/ | Nov 21 10:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Gcreep stories - Gawker | http://gawker.com/gcreep/ | Nov 21 10:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Google Spy Could Face Jail Time | http://gawker.com/5640290/ | Nov 21 10:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Lauren Weinstein - Google+ - Very bad. GCreep: Google Engineer ... | https://plus.google.com/114753028665775786510/posts/bgmLQmtvm72 | Nov 21 10:27 |
| schestowitz | that's the one | Nov 21 10:27 |
| MinceR | whoa, DaemonFC opposes Crashium/Crashe today | Nov 21 10:27 |
| MinceR | must be the sunspot activity | Nov 21 10:27 |
| schestowitz | yeah, that's the spot ! | Nov 21 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: a typical Google Engineer | Nov 21 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/369/kidnapt.jpg | Nov 21 10:28 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. I saw this before... | Nov 21 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Install Crash so you can sync to Perv | Nov 21 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | all the cool kids do it | Nov 21 10:31 |
| schestowitz | LMAO | Nov 21 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/8015/snapshot1.png | Nov 21 10:35 |
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| DaemonFC | A fast browser | Nov 21 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | that just works | Nov 21 10:35 |
| schestowitz | "MOUahahahah! " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/858030 | Nov 21 10:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 21 10:35 |
| schestowitz | That's a cute error message | Nov 21 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't think so | Nov 21 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | I was trying to send an email | Nov 21 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | Me Google Perv you long time! | Nov 21 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | CRASHY ENDING! | Nov 21 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7443/20110327080444.jpg | Nov 21 10:39 |
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| DaemonFC | Jabba says "My daddy shouted scary things at the computer! He must be using Ubuntu again!" | Nov 21 10:39 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Nov 21 10:40 |
| schestowitz | [10:38] <DaemonFC> CRASHY ENDING! | Nov 21 10:40 |
| schestowitz | Happy ending | Nov 21 10:40 |
| schestowitz | Too many wires in that photo | Nov 21 10:41 |
| schestowitz | Get some of those metal wires that bind together loose wires | Nov 21 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I'm not big on wireless | Nov 21 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | what with the police state and all | Nov 21 10:41 |
| schestowitz | I use about 20 of those to make "braids" out of all the wires | Nov 21 10:41 |
| schestowitz | wireless is also potentially unhealthy | Nov 21 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I've started moving to use encryption everywhere it makes sense | Nov 21 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | I might start using ecryptfs on my home folder | Nov 21 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | be sure to yank the power cord if ICE thugs break down the door or something I guess | Nov 21 10:42 |
| schestowitz | but people will say stuff like, "oh! But there's radiation everywhere anyway" (heard this apologism for xray porno scans on the other day) | Nov 21 10:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Rich New Yorkers buy plain black vans with plush interiors - http://bit.ly/sEnmQR this is the future: hidden opulence | Nov 21 10:43 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Rich New Yorkers buy plain black vans with plush interiors - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 25.77 KB | Nov 21 10:43 |
| schestowitz | ICE should omly target you if you are an illegal alien | Nov 21 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | https everywhere is on my must have list | Nov 21 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | I mentioned it to my dad the other day | Nov 21 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | he's using it now | Nov 21 10:43 |
| schestowitz | but ICE is over-stretching its boundaries | Nov 21 10:43 |
| schestowitz | TR was advised to use HTTPS | Nov 21 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | of course, https everywhere works with Seamonkey too | Nov 21 10:44 |
| schestowitz | But I don't want to deal with cert renewal paisn | Nov 21 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | it should be noted | Nov 21 10:44 |
| schestowitz | I get a lot of that at work.. | Nov 21 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | they don't officially support it but it has seamonkey install info in the xpi | Nov 21 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | and it works fine | Nov 21 10:44 |
| schestowitz | we might be adopting zabbix soon | Nov 21 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora packaged Seamonkey right | Nov 21 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu finally updated it but the installation is fucked in several places | Nov 21 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | like for starters, there's no shortcut to the browser in the menu | Nov 21 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | the Seamonkey entry starts mail and news | Nov 21 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 21 10:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itp.net/586991-students-can-now-apply-for-red-hat-scholarship | Nov 21 10:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Students can now apply for Red Hat scholarship - IT Business - News & Features - ITP.net .::. Size~: 45.51 KB | Nov 21 10:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: didn't you go to indiana uni for a while? | Nov 21 10:47 |
| schestowitz | [or was it Jabba? | Nov 21 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | it was Jabba, he doesn't have a birth certificate or speak English though so I told them he was Mexican | Nov 21 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | shhh | Nov 21 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 21 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Yes | Nov 21 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | business management | Nov 21 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | ohhh | Nov 21 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 21 10:49 |
| *DaemonFC makes fart and poop noises whenever someone mentions that | Nov 21 10:49 | |
| DaemonFC | agghhh | Nov 21 10:49 |
| schestowitz | why? | Nov 21 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know | Nov 21 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | I've hated every management position I've ever been in | Nov 21 10:50 |
| schestowitz | You mean you stick the tongue out? | Nov 21 10:50 |
| schestowitz | And make that noise? | Nov 21 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | one place asked for me back | Nov 21 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | and I told them no way in hell | Nov 21 10:50 |
| schestowitz | You'd be too hyper | Nov 21 10:50 |
| schestowitz | !google scoot hypa hypa | Nov 21 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Scooter - Hyper, Hyper - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DarLHb6JHi7Q | Nov 21 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Scooter - Like Hypa Said - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DDDnlQIf5ZZc | Nov 21 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Hyper Hyper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_Hyper | Nov 21 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - SCOOTER - LIKE HYPA SAID LYRICS | http://www.metrolyrics.com/like-hypa-said-lyrics-scooter.html | Nov 21 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | I think managers were put in place to make sure nothing useful ever gets done anywhere | Nov 21 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://tom-cat.com/mozilla/seamonkey/extensions-seatabx.html | Nov 21 10:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: CatThief :: SeaTab X .::. Size~: 12.14 KB | Nov 21 10:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Bureau Recommends: ‘Vulture Fund’ sues #Congo for $100m over $3m debt - http://bit.ly/uXPp1j the 1% strike again | Nov 21 10:56 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bureau Recommends: ‘Vulture Fund’ sues Congo for $100m over $3m debt: TBIJ .::. Size~: 27.77 KB | Nov 21 10:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/857723 "I suspect a new meme..." | Nov 21 10:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 21 10:59 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/857766 | Nov 21 11:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 21 11:00 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/857726 | Nov 21 11:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 21 11:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/857725 | Nov 21 11:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 21 11:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/857723 | Nov 21 11:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 21 11:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/857721 | Nov 21 11:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 21 11:01 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/857712 | Nov 21 11:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 21 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz! | Nov 21 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | HOW DARE YOU MAKE FUN OF OUR HEROES!!! | Nov 21 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 21 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Nov 21 11:03 |
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| schestowitz | Matching helmet to remind us of Nazi Germany | Nov 21 11:04 |
| schestowitz | He is a lieutenant I heard... leading by example | Nov 21 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | my dad said....let me fetch the email here | Nov 21 11:04 |
| schestowitz | you want his phone #? | Nov 21 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | "They seem to have misplaced their swastika armbands, but that's ok, we can see what they are even without the marking." | Nov 21 11:04 |
| schestowitz | He might not pick up the phone though, people DDOS him | Nov 21 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I liked Chris Maloni | Nov 21 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | as Tony Boloney | Nov 21 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | in | Nov 21 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | The Vigiloni | Nov 21 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 21 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | "Crime doesn't spray....but I do" | Nov 21 11:06 |
| schestowitz | Oh, LaMonica writes in CNN now? http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/14/technology/thebuzz/?source=cnn_bin | Nov 21 11:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Warren Buffett is still not a tech geek-- The Buzz - Nov. 14, 2011 .::. Size~: 46.81 KB | Nov 21 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | *sprays the hot dog vendor* | Nov 21 11:06 |
| schestowitz | He left CNET a long time ago, used to cover some FOSS | Nov 21 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | "Hmmm, maybe I did ask for sauerkraut, oh well" | Nov 21 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Nov 21 11:06 |
| oiaohm | It fun watching the media confusion. | Nov 21 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightwatch_%28Babylon_5%29 | Nov 21 11:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Nightwatch (Babylon 5) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 39.45 KB | Nov 21 11:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-15/android-security-threats-surge-with-infected-angry-birds-tech.html | Nov 21 11:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Android Threats Surge With Infected Third-Party ‘Angry Birds’ Apps: Tech - Bloomberg .::. Size~: 127.9 KB | Nov 21 11:08 |
| schestowitz | threat LOL | Nov 21 11:08 |
| schestowitz | Just don't install malware | Nov 21 11:08 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't install ITSELG | Nov 21 11:08 |
| schestowitz | "Doctor, it hurts when I do this" | Nov 21 11:08 |
| schestowitz | Doctor: "so don't do this" | Nov 21 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | Mommy! Why do the birds send me hardcore porn?" | Nov 21 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 21 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The more I look at OpenBSD, the more I like the sound of it | Nov 21 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | they've reverse engineered firmware for devices I use | Nov 21 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | whereas a lot of Linux distributions seem to either package the proprietary firmware | Nov 21 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | or use no firmware at all | Nov 21 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | Linux Libre is untouchable crap | Nov 21 11:16 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. It's called Angry birds, not angry cock | Nov 21 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | Angry Birds, now with penis bombs | Nov 21 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 21 11:17 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Really lot of reverse firmware is used by Linux. | Nov 21 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | then why do Linux distros ship Realtek firmware that is nonfree | Nov 21 11:18 |
| schestowitz | happy endings for the game at $4.99 in Google App Store | Nov 21 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | or break my NIC | Nov 21 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | when OpenBSD has reverse engineered firmware for it | Nov 21 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXciZmZjXo8 | Nov 21 11:19 |
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| *schestowitz plays http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv=arLHb6JHi7Q loudly on repeat | Nov 21 11:19 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Scooter - Hyper, Hyper - YouTube .::. Size~: 96.71 KB | Nov 21 11:19 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: you are aware for realtek you can use the OpenBSD firmware in Linux. | Nov 21 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK_8Gb2Zil8&feature=related | Nov 21 11:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Babylon 5: Prelude to Civil War - YouTube .::. Size~: 106.55 KB | Nov 21 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They did the graphics for this on an Amiga | Nov 21 11:23 |
| *amarsh04 wishes that there was better linux support for his realtek 0bda:2838 usb dvb stick - I compile an out-of-tree driver for it | Nov 21 11:23 | |
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| koolhead17 | schestowitz, around | Nov 21 11:26 |
| schestowitz | aye | Nov 21 11:26 |
| schestowitz | I was asleep last time you came 'round | Nov 21 11:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @mlowdi: RT @telecomix: We know it's low priority, but pls. report to us if censorship happens on .eg networks so we can act #tahrir | Nov 21 11:28 | |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-source_wireless_drivers Also DaemonFC you need to cool your jets about the open source firmware issue with OpenBSD. | Nov 21 11:31 |
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| DaemonFC | "I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I would look up into your lifeless eyes and wave, like this [smiles and waves his fingers at Morden]. Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?" | Nov 21 11:31 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Yes Linux kernel has the most ammount of drivers with open source firmware. | Nov 21 11:31 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjwnUDHxosQ&feature=related | Nov 21 11:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/cloud/2011/11/20/oracle-our-cloud-to-be-cheap-as-open-source-40094446/ "Cloud................." didn't Ellison mock the term? | Nov 21 11:32 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Maybe your card is a odd one where OpenBSD is head of the Linux at the stage. | Nov 21 11:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] 11 Amazing Things NASA's Huge Mars Rover Can Do http://identi.ca/url/60601273 !science | Nov 21 11:35 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7GxMnxZIxQ | Nov 21 11:37 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 21 11:37 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: that orcale is talking about being as cheep as a open source cloud means open source is now seen as serous competition they have to beat. | Nov 21 11:40 |
| schestowitz | "Vultures actually have more class than that. At least they wait until you're dead before they strip your bones. " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/858569 | Nov 21 11:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 21 11:48 |
| schestowitz | They already bought a key competitor or two, oiaohm | Nov 21 11:54 |
| schestowitz | !Google ellison if open souirce we are going to buy it | Nov 21 11:55 |
| schestowitz | !google ellison if open souirce we are going to buy it | Nov 21 11:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Larry Ellison - Wikiquote | http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Larry_Ellison | Nov 21 11:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Larry Ellison: “If an Open Source Product Gets Good Enough, We'll ... | http://techrights.org/2010/08/17/oracle-scepticism-from-phipps/ | Nov 21 11:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - How Oracle sees open source may not be how you see open source | http://blogs.computerworld.com/16766/how_oracle_sees_open_source_may_not_be_how_you_see_open_source | Nov 21 11:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Open Season On Open Source? | http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_11/b3975100.htm | Nov 21 11:55 |
| schestowitz | see [2] | Nov 21 11:55 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: remember the aquirement never went how orcale expected. | Nov 21 11:58 |
| oiaohm | The cloning effect orcale never expected. | Nov 21 11:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Bruhaha! http://ur1.ca/5z4yv | Nov 21 12:10 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.suasnews.com/2011/11/9815/dcns-and-thales-have-overcome-a-new-hurdle-for-the-automatic-deck-landing-of-uas/ Ok how long until computer controlled gunships. | Nov 21 12:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: DCNS and Thales have overcome a new hurdle for the automatic deck-landing of UAS | sUAS News .::. Size~: 79.15 KB | Nov 21 12:11 |
| schestowitz | I need to rush to | Nov 21 12:18 |
| schestowitz | Chinatown in 5 minutes to meet a friend for lunch. Will be back around | Nov 21 12:18 |
| schestowitz | 4, I promise... | Nov 21 12:18 |
| amarsh04 | bfn then | Nov 21 12:19 |
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| -NickServ-roy_!~schestowi@host86-185-121-251.range86-185.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) | Nov 21 12:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @JeroenDeDauw the power is not in my hands ;) contact @kat_braybrooke or @lucyfedia | Nov 21 14:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @madewulf I believe you are! I will add your last name | Nov 21 14:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] iPads and smart phones are killing Yahoo (BI): http://read.bi/vNumr9 | Nov 21 14:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Beta of Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization (RHEV) 3.0 Beta Now Available (Red Hat): http://red.ht/vVP4ln | Nov 21 14:51 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: redhat.com | Downloadable Version of Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization 3.0 Beta Now Available to All .::. Size~: 327.7 KB | Nov 21 14:51 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: The CRTC’s Declaration of Independent ISP Independence: my column on why it got the UBB decision right http://t.co/Gpu8eOZL | Nov 21 15:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 21 15:13 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Swedish Pirate Party MEP Amelia Andersdotter, on taking office at long last http://identi.ca/url/60610858 | Nov 21 16:00 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Nov 21 16:13 |
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| XFaCE | good morn all | Nov 21 16:36 |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to _Goblin | Nov 21 16:36 | |
| XFaCE | _Goblin: You missed out on the fake ender yesterday :P | Nov 21 16:37 |
| _Goblin | fake? | Nov 21 16:38 |
| XFaCE | yeah | Nov 21 16:38 |
| _Goblin | who would want to impersonate him? | Nov 21 16:38 |
| _Goblin | I suppose it takes alsorts | Nov 21 16:38 |
| roy_ | hey _Goblin | Nov 21 16:39 |
| _Goblin | Hey! | Nov 21 16:39 |
| *roy_ is now known as schestowitz | Nov 21 16:39 | |
| _Goblin | Are you a fake Roy? ;) | Nov 21 16:39 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: When will the latest IRC log be posted? | Nov 21 16:39 |
| schestowitz | No, there was a netsplit | Nov 21 16:39 |
| *XFaCE is now known as RealRoy | Nov 21 16:39 | |
| *RealRoy is now known as Real_Roy_and_Gob | Nov 21 16:40 | |
| Real_Roy_and_Gob | awesome | Nov 21 16:40 |
| *Real_Roy_and_Gob is now known as XFaCE | Nov 21 16:40 | |
| _Goblin | :) | Nov 21 16:40 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Don't you keep an irc log? | Nov 21 16:41 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85565535 | Nov 21 16:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @satipera (satipera)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-11 15:55:41 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz You have one article printed twice in latest links. | Nov 21 16:41 |
| schestowitz | oops | Nov 21 16:41 |
| XFaCE | I think _Goblin could use a chuckle | Nov 21 16:41 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: could you record a quick one? | Nov 21 16:42 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz likes it hard and fast. | Nov 21 16:42 |
| XFaCE | :D | Nov 21 16:42 |
| XFaCE | j/k, unless you do, not that there's anything wrong with thtat | Nov 21 16:43 |
| schestowitz | I'm back home now, very relaxed actually and all settled. | Nov 21 16:43 |
| XFaCE | And what is home? I still can't figure out your home country or your accent | Nov 21 16:43 |
| XFaCE | it drives me NUTS!!!1 | Nov 21 16:44 |
| schestowitz | home as in house | Nov 21 16:44 |
| XFaCE | uh huh | Nov 21 16:44 |
| schestowitz | I was swimming today | Nov 21 16:44 |
| XFaCE | nice | Nov 21 16:44 |
| schestowitz | And I almost broke the British record... | Nov 21 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Rowing 100m | Nov 21 16:44 |
| XFaCE | Get OUT | Nov 21 16:44 |
| schestowitz | I'll get there in December I reckon | Nov 21 16:44 |
| schestowitz | I'm on a strict diet now | Nov 21 16:44 |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: dammit roy, you are an example to us all | Nov 21 16:46 |
| amarsh04 | back in a bit, this test kernel is spending too much cpu time in sys | Nov 21 16:47 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Are you polish? | Nov 21 16:47 |
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| XFaCE | http://www.ancestry.com/facts/Schestowitz-family-history.ashx | Nov 21 16:47 |
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| XFaCE | dammit, your an enigma | Nov 21 16:47 |
| XFaCE | "Sorry, we couldn't find a name meaning for the Schestowitz last name. Try using an alternate form of the name, or a different last name. " | Nov 21 16:48 |
| schestowitz | it's a German name | Nov 21 16:48 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85566927 http://identi.ca/notice/85557977 http://identi.ca/notice/85557705 | Nov 21 16:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-11 16:47:11 UTC - Identi.ca: Links 21/11/2011: Steel Storm 2, GNOME Mentoring Program for Women http://ur1.ca/5z50q #techrights | Nov 21 16:48 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-11 11:32:10 UTC - Identi.ca: Open Source Nurtures Innovation http://ur1.ca/5z4ki #foss | Nov 21 16:48 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-11 11:24:59 UTC - Identi.ca: Small Taiwanese Firms Finally Get Some New Android Code http://is.gd/jyuIrM #google #android #linux #sharing | Nov 21 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85557472 http://identi.ca/notice/85557445 http://is.gd/8AO6cX | Nov 21 16:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-11 11:15:24 UTC - Identi.ca: As #Linux becomes more widespread in devices, happy hackers, enthusiasts and envelopers finally get to control computing more than ever. | Nov 21 16:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-11 11:14:02 UTC - Identi.ca: Amazon Posts Kindle Fire's Open Source Code http://is.gd/wMJBkj "weighs in at a whopping 809MB." #linux #android #drm #ebook | Nov 21 16:49 |
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| XFaCE | ah mystery solved, or maybe not... | Nov 21 16:49 |
| XFaCE | will be back! | Nov 21 16:49 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85556970 | Nov 21 16:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-11 10:49:29 UTC - Identi.ca: Dr Dre of the Internet http://ur1.ca/5z41h #drupal #gpl #internet | Nov 21 16:49 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-11 10:58:05 UTC - Identi.ca: Bureau Recommends: ‘Vulture Fund’ sues Congo for $100m over $3m debt http://is.gd/8AO6cX #whitecollar #crime #debt | Nov 21 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | The identica bot does not work | Nov 21 16:50 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85556665 http://identi.ca/notice/85556313 http://identi.ca/notice/85556123 | Nov 21 16:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-11 10:32:50 UTC - Identi.ca: #Interview with Andrew #Tanenbaum: Original version http://ur1.ca/5x2ki #linux #minix #bsd | Nov 21 16:51 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-11 10:13:02 UTC - Identi.ca: "Trojan Horse from Microsoft made the decision... I swore that I would never buy another Nokia product" http://is.gd/DDGGng #nokia | Nov 21 16:51 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-11 09:56:24 UTC - Identi.ca: The trials and tribulations of HTML video in the post-Flash era http://is.gd/OgPLme #html5 #webm #vp8 | Nov 21 16:52 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-11 09:51:02 UTC - Identi.ca: #Mandriva Powerpack 2011 released http://ur1.ca/5z3k9 #linux | Nov 21 16:52 |
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| MinceR | 174143 < XFaCE> MinceR: Don't you keep an irc log? | Nov 21 16:52 |
| MinceR | i do | Nov 21 16:52 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-11 09:43:13 UTC - Identi.ca: Google enhances WebP to take on PNG http://ur1.ca/5z3hx what for? | Nov 21 16:53 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-11 09:35:54 UTC - Identi.ca: "Google’s use of Excel is less than 10% of desktops… Ouch!" http://is.gd/l5Y4KK #google #microsoft | Nov 21 16:53 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-11 09:33:46 UTC - Identi.ca: Plasma Workspaces Wallpaper Contest http://ur1.ca/5z3ct #kde #plasma | Nov 21 16:54 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-11 09:30:56 UTC - Identi.ca: Why Linux Isn’t Only for Geeks http://ur1.ca/5z3cb #linux #gnu | Nov 21 16:54 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-11 09:28:53 UTC - Identi.ca: Journalists are still being silly. Code cannot be "stolen", it can be illegally *copied* | Nov 21 16:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Via @davidrovics "Occupy Wall street" http://ur1.ca/5z99b "One Percent" http://ur1.ca/5z99c #protest #music !anticapitalism | Nov 21 16:55 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/857708 " | Nov 21 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | Sacrilege! | Nov 21 16:57 |
| schestowitz | It sounds like he had a big problem with Ubuntu (it seems they sometimes don't bother fixing bugs) followed by a Grub error on installing Debian - installation errors can happen with any OS. | Nov 21 16:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 16:57 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85553913 | Nov 21 16:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-11 08:37:51 UTC - Identi.ca: Why I'm quitting the Debian Lineup http://ur1.ca/5z2v1 #debian #gnu #linux | Nov 21 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | That's it.... identica is buggy | Nov 21 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/CollateGirl/statuses/138553351871799296 | Nov 21 17:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @CollateGirl: @schestowitz spreadsheets are interesting. but you should also check out http://t.co/R5u9GIsl | Nov 21 17:01 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Lançamento da lei do #ODF do Rio de Janeiro acontece hoje - http://bit.ly/tFmg7L more goods moves from #brazil | Nov 21 17:20 | |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: hope to do another show soon... | Nov 21 17:27 |
| schestowitz | I appreciate and understand that it's hard to find the | Nov 21 17:27 |
| schestowitz | time to respond to me :-) | Nov 21 17:27 |
| schestowitz | I got almost the whole time between tomorrow and start of December off :-) | Nov 21 17:27 |
| schestowitz | So I will be able to record any day | Nov 21 17:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Money - http://bit.ly/sAvhIm staggering in all senses: if you look at this too long, you will fall in and never get out #xkcd | Nov 21 17:31 | |
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| schestowitz | December will be a fun month. | Nov 21 17:42 |
| schestowitz | I get another two weeks off in December | Nov 21 17:42 |
| kari_ | So, tell me why Linux and FOSS is not the right choice for education. | Nov 21 17:46 |
| amarsh04 | because too many teachers like the coursework "set in stone" | Nov 21 17:47 |
| Kryczek | so they still teach Windows 95? | Nov 21 17:47 |
| kari_ | How about the old piece "that because Windows is everywhere we should teach that" | Nov 21 17:49 |
| amarsh04 | not sure, only contact I have with the education system here is with the Technical And Further Education colleges | Nov 21 17:50 |
| amarsh04 | I once bought a book about spreadsheets precisely because it went out of its way to cover concepts and not be tied to a particular vendor's product | Nov 21 17:51 |
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| kari_ | I think that one pretty much can learn students to use LibreOffice and when needed they can transfer that knowledge to MS Office - or am I wrong? | Nov 21 17:52 |
| amarsh04 | I managed to learn WordPerfect 5.1 in a big hurry in its day | Nov 21 17:54 |
| kari_ | I mean even with MS Office people have had to learn new way of doing things every few years, which is stupid move from Microsoft. So what is the difference to go from LibreOffice to MS Office, zilch. | Nov 21 17:55 |
| schestowitz | hi kari_ | Nov 21 17:58 |
| kari_ | Hi Roy | Nov 21 17:58 |
| schestowitz | I;'m going to review Entropy Key soon | Nov 21 17:59 |
| schestowitz | I tried it on my debian box | Nov 21 17:59 |
| schestowitz | I want to also install it on my ubuntu box | Nov 21 17:59 |
| schestowitz | thanks for the gift, you're awesome | Nov 21 17:59 |
| kari_ | I have not done much with myself. When I have time I plan to see where diffrent programs actually gets their radomness. I wonder whether PGP uses /dev/random or /dev/urandom. | Nov 21 18:01 |
| Kryczek | nice! Didnt know about Entropy Key | Nov 21 18:01 |
| kari_ | Now when we are at it. Could someone tell me the difference of those ... | Nov 21 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Kryczek: kari_ sent me one from Finland as a gift | Nov 21 18:02 |
| Kryczek | kari_: blocks until there is more random data available | Nov 21 18:02 |
| Kryczek | erm, sorry | Nov 21 18:02 |
| Kryczek | /dev/random blocks | Nov 21 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Kryczek: I never dabbled in tose | Nov 21 18:02 |
| kari_ | I quess one is true in a way that it generates the randomness from the system event. And the other one is just stupid mathematical way | Nov 21 18:02 |
| Kryczek | whereas urandom never blocks, but it makes the data less random | Nov 21 18:02 |
| schestowitz | for random I just take system clock | Nov 21 18:02 |
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| schestowitz | you could take other parameters like system proc | Nov 21 18:03 |
| schestowitz | or mouse input | Nov 21 18:03 |
| Kryczek | there was a daemon that takes sound input | Nov 21 18:03 |
| Kryczek | randomsound - ALSA sound card related entropy gathering daemon | Nov 21 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Right now I do | Nov 21 18:03 |
| schestowitz | rand('seed',sum(100*clock)) | Nov 21 18:03 |
| schestowitz | % rng('default') | Nov 21 18:03 |
| schestowitz | % starting_image_number=0+ceil(rand*50)*2-1; % first image, N+1 (choose odd numbers); this determines whether to skip the first N images | Nov 21 18:03 |
| schestowitz | in actave syntax | Nov 21 18:04 |
| schestowitz | octave even | Nov 21 18:04 |
| kari_ | Sending out those entropy keys was a good move from me, indeed. I got at least one new good friend msb :-) | Nov 21 18:04 |
| schestowitz | "Awesome! I just got a kindle fire and was waiting for this... " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/858669 | Nov 21 18:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 21 18:04 |
| schestowitz | kari_: the trolls in COLA are demoralised and defeated | Nov 21 18:04 |
| schestowitz | kari_: msb is cool | Nov 21 18:05 |
| schestowitz | did you speak to him by voice (I have) | Nov 21 18:05 |
| kari_ | Yes | Nov 21 18:05 |
| schestowitz | cool | Nov 21 18:05 |
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| kari_ | Roy, I am building my site at the moment and I am just wondering how much time just to keep it airborne will take. How much of your time your site takes? | Nov 21 18:07 |
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| schestowitz | I can build sites quickly | Nov 21 18:08 |
| schestowitz | I built 2 over the past week | Nov 21 18:08 |
| schestowitz | one still in temporary location | Nov 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | http://s389777488.websitehome.co.uk/ | Nov 21 18:09 |
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| kari_ | Yep but I am wondering time to keep their software upatated for security reasons. Keeping eye on mailing lists and forums. Possibly an IRC channel. Building takes certain amount of time but keeping nasties out might take time... | Nov 21 18:10 |
| schestowitz | if you use the same software, you can streamline updates | Nov 21 18:11 |
| schestowitz | I maintain about 10 wordpress installations | Nov 21 18:11 |
| schestowitz | to update for security reasons only it's possible to do them line in production line | Nov 21 18:11 |
| schestowitz | I chose wordpress cause I've been involved with the devs since 2004 and I know it very wekll | Nov 21 18:12 |
| kari_ | Nice! Is your site TechRights running on WordPress ? | Nov 21 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, since day 1 | Nov 21 18:12 |
| schestowitz | I can help you set it up | Nov 21 18:12 |
| kari_ | Nice I have to have a look on that! | Nov 21 18:12 |
| schestowitz | even the registration | Nov 21 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Some days ago I taught a co-worker how to use it | Nov 21 18:13 |
| schestowitz | And made a mock site... http://schestowitz.com/w/ | Nov 21 18:13 |
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| kari_ | I am at the moment learning drupal... maybe I must change...is WordPress better than Drupal? | Nov 21 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Currently I also build http://medivasc.com/ | Nov 21 18:13 |
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| schestowitz | under construction, treat as mockup, etc etc. | Nov 21 18:13 |
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| schestowitz | kari_: fo you want me to set up the site for you? | Nov 21 18:15 |
| schestowitz | I can do it very fast | Nov 21 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Did if for a relatiev from FL 7 years ago.. http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/ | Nov 21 18:16 |
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| kari_ | Thans for the offer, but I think I have to do it myself to be able to keep it running. I already invested lot of time to Drupal and have never tested WordPress. I will have a look on that today - will set it up locally and play. I certainly record your offer and might hire you if needed. Maybe I can ask you few questions about it later either here or via email. Thanks! | Nov 21 18:18 |
| schestowitz | I'd help you for free | Nov 21 18:19 |
| schestowitz | and you can ask stuff in IRC | Nov 21 18:19 |
| kari_ | Thanks - downloading WordPress :-) | Nov 21 18:19 |
| schestowitz | I used some other CMSes over the years and have some installed, still | Nov 21 18:19 |
| schestowitz | but wait.. | Nov 21 18:20 |
| schestowitz | maybe your host has installation script | Nov 21 18:20 |
| schestowitz | you might not have to install it from scratch | Nov 21 18:20 |
| kari_ | Yes they have. | Nov 21 18:20 |
| schestowitz | there are wizards like fantastico and the likes(deluxe) now | Nov 21 18:20 |
| schestowitz | I remember the old days of wordpress | Nov 21 18:21 |
| schestowitz | when we had to set up our own DBs | Nov 21 18:21 |
| schestowitz | and write the configuration files by hand | Nov 21 18:21 |
| schestowitz | and add themes by hacking on files | Nov 21 18:21 |
| kari_ | Time when men where Iron and ships of wood and today..... :-) | Nov 21 18:22 |
| schestowitz | !google When men were men and wrote their own device drivers | Nov 21 18:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Writing device drivers in Linux: A brief tutorial | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/drivers_linux | Nov 21 18:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Linus Torvalds - Wikiquote | http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds | Nov 21 18:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Remember When Men Were Men and Wrote Their Own Device ... | http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2007092100426OPHWDV | Nov 21 18:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Linux Device Drivers, 2nd Edition | http://cache.freescale.com/files/soft_dev_tools/doc/ref_manual/Linux%2520Device%2520Drivers.pdf | Nov 21 18:22 |
| kari_ | I am interested how that TechrightsBot-tr works? | Nov 21 18:23 |
| schestowitz | I'll show you the source.. | Nov 21 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | tony and toby from canada wrote is for us | Nov 21 18:23 |
| schestowitz | https://github.com/trmanco | Nov 21 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | Code here: https://bitbucket.org/trmanco/phirce | Nov 21 18:25 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Identica seems to be lagging again | Nov 21 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | :( | Nov 21 18:25 |
| kari_ | Thanks Roy | Nov 21 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Weird... did they merge with github? https://bitbucket.org/schestowitz https://bitbucket.org/trmanco | Nov 21 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | I don't recall ever signing up | Nov 21 18:28 |
| schestowitz | And they seem to share data | Nov 21 18:28 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: identica is a pile of steaming data now | Nov 21 18:28 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't work reliably and there is not much particupation because users are pissed off | Nov 21 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | Senator Wyden of Oregon is prepared to deliver a filibuster speech against the blacklist bill | Nov 21 18:29 |
| schestowitz | identica jumped the sharp, join diaspora | Nov 21 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | and to read the names of its opponents into the Congressional record | Nov 21 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | I gave him mine :) | Nov 21 18:29 |
| schestowitz | and Jabba? | Nov 21 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | nah | Nov 21 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I am on disapora for quite a long time, but not really used my account yet | Nov 21 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 21 18:29 |
| kari_ | Ok now I have WordPress running - it was easy :-) | Nov 21 18:31 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: added | Nov 21 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: anyway how to send from Disapora to Identica like Kevie does? | Nov 21 18:31 |
| kari_ | Now I have to read ton of books to be able to use it ...and compare to Drupal. | Nov 21 18:32 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: I used kevie's instructions | Nov 21 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and it seems how he does it has some showing on Identica, then can finnnish off on Disapora for long messages | Nov 21 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Let me show you.. | Nov 21 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | and what if I only want to send Disapora messages to some people or whatever? | Nov 21 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | and how does it work with groups on Identica and so on | Nov 21 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | anyway this kind of stuff is why I don't bother with Disapora at the moment | Nov 21 18:32 |
| kari_ | What are these Disapora and Identica used for. I admit I still live on WEB 1.1 and not the WEB 2.0 or whatever. | Nov 21 18:32 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: http://kmacphail.blogspot.com/2010/12/exporting-diaspora-posts-to-identica.html | Nov 21 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | set it up | Nov 21 18:33 |
| schestowitz | join us in diaspora | Nov 21 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | so would send the messageu sing DIsapora | Nov 21 18:33 |
| schestowitz | I follow you on there now | Nov 21 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | and it would send wahtever to Identica as well? | Nov 21 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | ,but what about groups on Identica, let's say I am sending Mageia stuff, or whatever | Nov 21 18:33 |
| schestowitz | you post in diaspora, it exports to identica | Nov 21 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | what about disapora who's going to follow me, does it have groups? | Nov 21 18:34 |
| schestowitz | I also began active in Digg again, sepatately | Nov 21 18:34 |
| schestowitz | I have 2700 followers there | Nov 21 18:34 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: it does have groups | Nov 21 18:34 |
| schestowitz | based on your tags | Nov 21 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: let's say I want to send to both Mageia group and tag on Identica like I do and so ! and # now days since tags can be subscribed to on their own | Nov 21 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | anyway | Nov 21 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | how does that work? | Nov 21 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | if sending from Disapora? | Nov 21 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | Disapora ignores that I sent stuff? | Nov 21 18:35 |
| schestowitz | twitter is quieter now http://twitter.com/schestowitz | Nov 21 18:35 |
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| sebsebseb | also what if I am replying to smoeone on Identica, why would I Want that showing on DIsapora as well? | Nov 21 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | or if I am replying to smoene on Disapora why would I want showing on Identica? | Nov 21 18:35 |
| schestowitz | it won't do that | Nov 21 18:36 |
| schestowitz | not by default anyway | Nov 21 18:36 |
| schestowitz | depends ifyou supply anorher RSS feed | Nov 21 18:36 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: so if I want something to show on both sites I can send from DIsapora to Identica | Nov 21 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | if I just want it showing on Identica I can send as nromal I guess to only that | Nov 21 18:41 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I think it's stupid to show replies to people on Identica on DIsapora as well for example | Nov 21 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: also since some sort of change on Identica, loads of the tags get spammed | Nov 21 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and the public time line as well a lot | Nov 21 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Nov 21 18:43 |
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| DaemonFC | Sometimes I want to find the people that wrote Catalyst | Nov 21 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | so that I can toss them in a cage with greased rabid ferrets | Nov 21 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: it won't pick replies | Nov 21 19:01 |
| schestowitz | as I said before | Nov 21 19:01 |
| schestowitz | unless you hack the feeds a bit to achieve this, which you you would not want | Nov 21 19:01 |
| schestowitz | follow kevie's set of tips | Nov 21 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed FGLRX is now defaulting to UseFastTLS off | Nov 21 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | shame so many Wine users managed to get them to do that | Nov 21 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: it won't send DIsaporea replies to Identica, that's what your saying? good | Nov 21 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | just my actsaul messages would go there | Nov 21 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Nov 21 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | as well | Nov 21 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I like how it will show loads of stuff on prifles going back I don't know how long | Nov 21 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | just been looking at yours | Nov 21 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | and can just use the scroll wheel on the mouse | Nov 21 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | don't have to go through pages on a time line like on Identica | Nov 21 19:04 |
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| DaemonFC | AMD's community FGLRX wiki is amusing | Nov 21 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | "Why should we document it? We just wrote the fucking thing, so what do we know?" | Nov 21 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | "Here's a place that's totally unofficial to document your easter egg hunt" | Nov 21 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | I've discovered more about their driver from reading X's log with it loaded than with their available documentation | Nov 21 19:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Google announces new interface, features and price cut for chromebooks: http://buswk.co/uLRVtw | Nov 21 19:25 | |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | >>> How do I import my OStatus contacts into it? | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | >> | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | >> I'm not certain, but I don't believe that this is currently possible. A degree | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | >> of 'federation' is available with Friendika (see | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | >> http://diasporial.com/articles/federation-is-here) but afaik the ability to | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | >> import contacts via OStatus does not yet exist. | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | > Thanks for the info. I think import would be from the FOAF file like | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > http://identi.ca/mjray/foaf rather than over OStatus itself. | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 19:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting application/rdf+xml type | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > Until these services actually get export/import working, I suspect | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > that the benefits of federation won't be realised by many. Currently | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > status.net posters to identi.ca are treated as second-class citizens, | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > harder for identizens to reply to because the status.net site hosting | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > the original notice can't see you're logged in at identi.ca. The | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > wall-like page of diaspora or friendika could be a better model, but | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > it's too tedious to move my network to one of them. :-/ | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | from the MAN-LUG | Nov 21 19:33 |
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| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65090-A-Journal-Comes-To-systemd&p=239566#post239566 | Nov 21 19:37 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 21 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | VLC hate | Nov 21 19:39 |
| MinceR | yes, we know you hate it :> | Nov 21 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Join the hate. | Nov 21 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 21 19:42 |
| *DaemonFC installs Unity on MinceR's system with Google Crash set to sync with Google Perv | Nov 21 19:43 | |
| DaemonFC | the recommended OMGFAPFAPFAPUBUNTU setup | Nov 21 19:43 |
| *MinceR denies permissions to DaemonFC to mess with his systems | Nov 21 19:45 | |
| *DaemonFC uses some unchecked buffers in Unity to install Google Crash and sync it with Google Perv | Nov 21 19:46 | |
| DaemonFC | you do use Unity right? | Nov 21 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | Unity IS Linux | Nov 21 19:46 |
| MinceR | nope | Nov 21 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | ask jono | Nov 21 19:46 |
| MinceR | why ask jono? he'd rather sell vista7 :> | Nov 21 19:47 |
| jono | change the record | Nov 21 19:47 |
| jono | the joke got old a year ago :-) | Nov 21 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | jono is a clever man | Nov 21 19:47 |
| jono | DaemonFC, which jono? ;-) | Nov 21 19:47 |
| jono | not this one :-) | Nov 21 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | he wants people using Windows 7 so he can install Ubuntu as a remote trojan through Internet Explorer | Nov 21 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | the user reboots and finds themselves in Ubuntu One or something | Nov 21 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | it's all part of the plan | Nov 21 19:48 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 21 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | jono just has more guile than MinceR | Nov 21 19:48 |
| MinceR | i don't need guile | Nov 21 19:48 |
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| MinceR | i don't serve m$ :> | Nov 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz | jono is not gullible | Nov 21 19:49 |
| schestowitz | he drinks the u-aide | Nov 21 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Look on the bright side | Nov 21 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | at their current goal of releasing a new Windows every 3 years, it won't take them long to get back to Windows 95 | Nov 21 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | your grandchildren may get to use it | Nov 21 19:53 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 21 19:53 |
| schestowitz | I'd use Firefox 95 before I turn 0 :-) | Nov 21 19:55 |
| jono | Firefox 95, isn't that coming out in a few weeks? | Nov 21 19:59 |
| jono | :-) | Nov 21 19:59 |
| MinceR | i'd say a few years | Nov 21 19:59 |
| MinceR | but at least it doesn't crash so often as Crashe and Crashium do | Nov 21 20:00 |
| schestowitz | CrashBang Linux | Nov 21 20:01 |
| schestowitz | #! | Nov 21 20:01 |
| digitteknohippie | crunch* | Nov 21 20:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 21 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | http://toastytech.com/guis/ff15twinnt4.png | Nov 21 20:04 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | jono's desktop | Nov 21 20:04 |
| jono | I honestly don't know why I join this channel | Nov 21 20:05 |
| jono | all I get is you guys ripping on me | Nov 21 20:05 |
| schestowitz | naa.. | Nov 21 20:05 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC hackles you | Nov 21 20:05 |
| schestowitz | I told him to stop | Nov 21 20:05 |
| schestowitz | when he's not around it doesn't happen | Nov 21 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://toastytech.com/guis/ff15twindows95.png | Nov 21 20:06 |
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| iophk | jono: has there been any followup on the good news from UDS? | Nov 21 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | There it is | Nov 21 20:06 |
| jono | iophk, things are going well | Nov 21 20:06 |
| jono | schestowitz irrespective, I am wondering why I spend my time here | Nov 21 20:06 |
| schestowitz | If jono has braids, DaemonFC would pull em | Nov 21 20:06 |
| schestowitz | jono: cause we're so very awesome :-) | Nov 21 20:07 |
| jono | I have a pretty good sense of humor about myself, but humor needs to be mixed with general positive conduct | Nov 21 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: speak for yourself | Nov 21 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | I am awesome and "rockin'" | Nov 21 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 21 20:07 |
| jono | it is just a constant stream of accusations and negative discussion here | Nov 21 20:07 |
| schestowitz | about you? | Nov 21 20:08 |
| jono | schestowitz yep | Nov 21 20:08 |
| schestowitz | No, we sometimes inquire about Ubuntu | Nov 21 20:08 |
| schestowitz | and you're a good source | Nov 21 20:08 |
| MinceR | almost as good as /dev/zero | Nov 21 20:08 |
| jono | but why should I provide being a good source when all I get is ridicule? | Nov 21 20:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what's the diff between that and null? | Nov 21 20:08 |
| jono | see my point? | Nov 21 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | jono: all public figures are prone to parody | Nov 21 20:08 |
| jono | DaemonFC, totally, and I am cool with that | Nov 21 20:08 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: it provides zero bytes instead of EOF when read | Nov 21 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | making yourself a public figure makes you a target ;) | Nov 21 20:08 |
| jono | but parody needs balance | Nov 21 20:09 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 21 20:09 |
| schestowitz | not sure why that upsets you | Nov 21 20:09 |
| jono | and I get to choose where I expose myself to parody, and I am just wondering why I bother choosing this channel | Nov 21 20:09 |
| schestowitz | you're asking me about your preference | Nov 21 20:09 |
| jono | schestowitz put it this way, everything I see in this channel that is directed at me is accusations and taking the piss | Nov 21 20:09 |
| schestowitz | that's like me asking you | Nov 21 20:09 |
| schestowitz | "why did I go to a Chinese restaurant today?" | Nov 21 20:09 |
| jono | I am not saying you guys should stop doing that | Nov 21 20:09 |
| jono | but it is kinda getting old | Nov 21 20:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Mobile Malware Crisis? Not So Fast http://ur1.ca/5zfcm | Nov 21 20:10 | |
| MinceR | and all of it is unwarranted! | Nov 21 20:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mobile Malware Crisis? Not So Fast | PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 82.65 KB | Nov 21 20:10 |
| iophk | schestowitz: it is getting old | Nov 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz | jono: we all are [[getting old] | Nov 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz | I am turning 30 next month :/ | Nov 21 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | ouch | Nov 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 21 20:10 |
| jono | anyone who knows me knows I have a good sense of humor about myself, but it is getting a bit old in here | Nov 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz | say lame, not old | Nov 21 20:10 |
| jono | I am not trying to quash your guys right to say what you want, I am just saying I think I might join here | Nov 21 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | jono: You're forgetting something | Nov 21 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Well, I like you around | Nov 21 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Ignore DaemonFC | Nov 21 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | if you can say anything about me, worse has probably already been said | Nov 21 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | and I didn't care the first time | Nov 21 20:12 |
| MinceR | after all, the community's complaint was that canonical listens too much to the community, wasn't it? :> | Nov 21 20:12 |
| schestowitz | you're not abliged to answers him. Haters gonna hate. | Nov 21 20:12 |
| jono | DaemonFC, but the point is that I don't say bad things about you | Nov 21 20:12 |
| jono | or MinceR | Nov 21 20:12 |
| jono | I am not asking anyone to give me a special ride | Nov 21 20:12 |
| jono | but seeing the same constant stream of accusations and jokes about me and Ubuntu is just getting a little old | Nov 21 20:12 |
| jono | I like DaemonFC, I just would prefer a little bit more balance in the discussion | Nov 21 20:13 |
| jono | I am not expecting people to stop making jokes, just balance it out a little with normal discussion with me to :-) | Nov 21 20:14 |
| MinceR | you don't really do normal discussion much | Nov 21 20:14 |
| jono | MinceR, yup, I dip in where I can | Nov 21 20:14 |
| MinceR | mostly you don't say a word | Nov 21 20:14 |
| jono | but usually where I do it is in reaction to people accusing me or Ubuntu/Canonical of something | Nov 21 20:15 |
| jono | hence my point | Nov 21 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.layoutlocator.com/graphics/dldimg/0885b66c0d13bf2a34c8b90d1237e4db_pyzamword.jpg | Nov 21 20:15 |
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| MinceR | see, that doesn't only depend on us | Nov 21 20:15 |
| jono | and if I am not bringing much discussion here, maybe this is part of why I should not join the chan | Nov 21 20:15 |
| MinceR | and you're trying to make me and DaemonFC look bad for doing so | Nov 21 20:16 |
| MinceR | i can see that | Nov 21 20:16 |
| jono | I am not trying to make you look bad | Nov 21 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | jono: When I "accuse" Canonical of something it's usually in plain site calling itself something else as a thinly veiled disguise | Nov 21 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | like the DRM store | Nov 21 20:19 |
| jono | DaemonFC, right | Nov 21 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | I am highly critical of DRM | Nov 21 20:20 |
| jono | which is fine | Nov 21 20:20 |
| jono | where do we use DRM btw? | Nov 21 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | and Canonical DRM won't get any special treatment because it's riding on top of free software | Nov 21 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | jono: That steam-like store where you sell proprietary software licenses | Nov 21 20:20 |
| jono | DaemonFC, does it use DRM? | Nov 21 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | and enforce the usage terms (DRM) via the Ubuntu Single Sign On | Nov 21 20:20 |
| jono | it is propreitary software, but that is not DRM | Nov 21 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | that store uses about 50 times the resources of Synaptic | Nov 21 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | and I feel its only reason for being is DRM | Nov 21 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | it's certainly unstable, but that's a different topic | Nov 21 20:21 |
| jono | remember, Ubuntu is a Free Software platform, but we never said we would only provide Free Software on it | Nov 21 20:21 |
| jono | what we have promised is that the default install will be Free Software | Nov 21 20:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] nice, can't comment then(only saw up to the end of 4) | Nov 21 20:21 | |
| jono | in any case, getting back to the discussion about this chan | Nov 21 20:21 |
| MinceR | then mono came along :> | Nov 21 20:21 |
| jono | i think I might take a little time away from here | Nov 21 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | jono: You should give the user a visible choice of whether or not they want to see that | Nov 21 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | not hiding behidn a Free Software Only hidden boot option | Nov 21 20:22 |
| jono | like I say, I don't want to quash your guys' right to say what you want | Nov 21 20:22 |
| jono | I just think I am going to disengage for a bit | Nov 21 20:22 |
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| DaemonFC | it's like dumping a fodler full of pornagraphy into their home folder and explaining that there's a boot option you hid somewhere to make it not do that | Nov 21 20:22 |
| jono | catch you later, chaps | Nov 21 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | pornography offends some people like DRM offends me | Nov 21 20:23 |
| jono | take care | Nov 21 20:23 |
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| DaemonFC | heh | Nov 21 20:23 |
| azalyn | the hell.. was that jono bacon? | Nov 21 20:24 |
| MinceR | at least now he's manufactured some excuse for not saying anything informative in the future | Nov 21 20:24 |
| MinceR | yes, that was canonical COO/vista7 advertiser jono bacon | Nov 21 20:24 |
| MinceR | oops, community officer, not COO | Nov 21 20:24 |
| MinceR | i don't remember the TLA for that, if there's one | Nov 21 20:25 |
| MinceR | community guy who doesn't talk to the community, as is canonical policy | Nov 21 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: There can be only one! | Nov 21 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 21 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu One ;) | Nov 21 20:25 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 21 20:25 |
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| MinceR | and i only wish the part about vista7 was a joke | Nov 21 20:27 |
| azalyn | i'm surprised to see him here. i didn't even know he was here.. | Nov 21 20:31 |
| azalyn | i saw him on the linux action show awhile back. | Nov 21 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | [20:25] <MinceR> community guy who doesn't talk to the community, as is canonical policy | Nov 21 20:33 |
| schestowitz | LOK | Nov 21 20:33 |
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| MinceR | looks like he didn't read his own report which clearly stated that the community wants canonical to listen to them | Nov 21 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | not only does VLC still not work | Nov 21 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | projectm crashes X | Nov 21 20:34 |
| MinceR | ugly | Nov 21 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | could be fglrx | Nov 21 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | who knows | Nov 21 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | [ 6421.713] (==) fglrx(0): ATI 2D Acceleration Architecture enabled | Nov 21 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | ATI 2D is what replaced XAA last year | Nov 21 20:36 |
| *DaemonFC is going through his X log trying to find the crash | Nov 21 20:36 | |
| DaemonFC | fglrx still refers to itself as ATI internally a lot | Nov 21 20:37 |
| MinceR | no surprise | Nov 21 20:38 |
| MinceR | companies take a long time to replace their changed names in the depths | Nov 21 20:39 |
| MinceR | one of the mobile phones i use still displays the old name of my telco :> | Nov 21 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | I played around with my monitor setup just now | Nov 21 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | "Eco Saving" | Nov 21 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | what a nice name for "backlight brightness" | Nov 21 20:40 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 21 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | personally I find "energy saving off" more or less pegged to "fry my corneas" on any monitor | Nov 21 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 21 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | so I flip it on | Nov 21 20:42 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 21 20:43 |
| MinceR | mine has a slider for backlight brightness | Nov 21 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | I have my backlight set to 50% | Nov 21 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | screen is perfectly usable | Nov 21 20:43 |
| MinceR | recently i replaced my monitor with a monitor TV | Nov 21 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | it draws a lot less power | Nov 21 20:43 |
| MinceR | after giving up on the unusable crap tuners they put into pc tuner cards and usb tuner boxes | Nov 21 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | backlight will probably last longer | Nov 21 20:44 |
| MinceR | now i can receive all the multiplexes of digital cable tv (DVB-C) :> | Nov 21 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | [ 6422.450] (II) fglrx(0): Enable the clock gating! | Nov 21 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | FIRE PHOTON TORPEDOES! | Nov 21 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 21 20:47 |
| MinceR | :D | Nov 21 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | 03:47:38 PM | Nov 21 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | < Ryan Farmer > | Nov 21 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | the better examples of the species manage | Nov 21 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | Nov 21 20:48 | |
| DaemonFC | 03:47:52 PM | Nov 21 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | Nov 21 20:48 | |
| DaemonFC | oh well, he's still eligible for Trap, Neuter, Return, right? | Nov 21 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | -me to a friend regarding an idiot | Nov 21 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | [ 6422.269] (WW) fglrx(0): Option "VendorName" is not used | Nov 21 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | [ 6422.270] (WW) fglrx(0): Option "ModelName" is not used | Nov 21 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | then why does aticonfig set them? | Nov 21 20:50 |
| *DaemonFC removed those | Nov 21 20:51 | |
| DaemonFC | *sigh*\ | Nov 21 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | [ 6421.848] (WW) fglrx(0): board is an unknown third party board, chipset is supported | Nov 21 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | [ 6422.549] (II) fglrx(0): Restoring Recent Mode via PCS is not supported in RANDR 1.2 capable environments | Nov 21 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | it is in RANDR 1.3 | Nov 21 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 21 20:55 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you're aaaa crrrrazyyy | Nov 21 20:58 |
| MinceR | a crazy what? | Nov 21 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: just crazy.. or hyper | Nov 21 21:06 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: So I met prurigro in real life! | Nov 21 21:07 |
| MinceR | so i herd you liek mudkips | Nov 21 21:07 |
| MinceR | and what was prurigro like? | Nov 21 21:07 |
| XFaCE | cool | Nov 21 21:09 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 21 21:10 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=BG&Date=20111120&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=111200802&Ref=PH&Item=0&odyssey=mod|mostpopphotos | Nov 21 21:15 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 21 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | cute and fluffy cute and fluffy! | Nov 21 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Nov 21 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-ap-store-shooting-20111121,0,658885.story | Nov 21 21:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Convenience store shooting: Maryland man dies from gunshot wounds by Indiana store clerk - baltimoresun.com .::. Size~: 187.77 KB | Nov 21 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | "Authorities say a 21-year-old Maryland man has died from gunshot wounds he suffered while trying to rob a southern Indiana convenience store." | Nov 21 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | Tell your friends! hehe | Nov 21 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana law says you're pretty much justified to defend yourself with lethal force if the threat of lethal force is made against you | Nov 21 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | unless it's the police doing it of course :) | Nov 21 21:18 |
| MinceR | doesn't sound outlandish at all | Nov 21 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: You pull a knife and threaten to stab me to death | Nov 21 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | so I shoot you | Nov 21 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | no charges against me | Nov 21 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | you shouldn't have pulled a knife on me | Nov 21 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | that's fair right? :) | Nov 21 21:19 |
| MinceR | i have yet to threaten anyone with a knife | Nov 21 21:19 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 21 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | I think that's perfectly fair | Nov 21 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | don't threaten to kill me and I won't kill you | Nov 21 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 21 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | everything should be that simple | Nov 21 21:20 |
| schestowitz | [21:07] <XFaCE> schestowitz: So I met prurigro in real life! | Nov 21 21:20 |
| schestowitz | A Techrights Canada meetup :-) | Nov 21 21:20 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Ender-ism? :P | Nov 21 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.ibj.com/few-employers-say-theyll-drop-health-coverage/PARAMS/article/30897 | Nov 21 21:21 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Yeah. We need more of these. | Nov 21 21:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Few employers say they'll drop health coverage | 2011-11-21 | Indianapolis Business Journal | IBJ.com .::. Size~: 87.97 KB | Nov 21 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | Why would they? | Nov 21 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | they get a better deal on it than they do now under that law | Nov 21 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45389165/ns/technology_and_science-space/ | Nov 21 21:22 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/8958790-418/illegal-mound-of-tires-visible-from-space.html | Nov 21 21:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Illegal mound of tires visible from space - Chicago Sun-Times .::. Size~: 126.3 KB | Nov 21 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | "Authorities have charged one person in connection with the mess of roughly 250,000 tires, which covers more than 50 acres on satellite images. And now a Florida company is helping haul it all away." | Nov 21 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/operating-systems/3319705/linux-kernel-patch-slashes-power-usage/ | Nov 21 21:24 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @OccupyToronto We NEED people with cameras to come down to St. James Park ASAP to document the events taking place #occTO | Nov 21 21:26 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://news.yahoo.com/life-saving-aids-drugs-push-hiv-numbers-high-091410745.html | Nov 21 21:26 |
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| DaemonFC | duh | Nov 21 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | they live linger as hosts | Nov 21 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | they spread it to more people | Nov 21 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | they don't take their pills correctly and the virus becomes resistant | Nov 21 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | etc | Nov 21 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.yahoo.com/thousands-rally-against-wisconsin-republican-governor-050012893.html | Nov 21 21:29 |
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| DaemonFC | http://gma.yahoo.com/exclusive-cia-spies-caught-fear-execution-middle-east-233819159.html | Nov 21 21:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Exclusive: CIA Spies Caught, Fear Execution in Middle East - Yahoo! .::. Size~: 246.93 KB | Nov 21 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | anyone affiliated with the CIA, anywhere, should be executed | Nov 21 21:29 |
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| DaemonFC | http://news.yahoo.com/gates-testifies-1b-lawsuit-against-microsoft-150727109.html | Nov 21 21:30 |
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| DaemonFC | I wonder if Gates will be arrogant and flippant as all the other times he's taken the stand | Nov 21 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | he goes into the courtroom like he owns it (because he does) | Nov 21 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | leans way back in the chair, like it was a recliner (because he knows they won't do anything with him) | Nov 21 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | and lies under oath (because people like him don't get charged with perjury) | Nov 21 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | "I was once interviewed by a guy from Philips who took out and ate a tuna sandwich. I'm glad he did not have baloney " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/858030 | Nov 21 21:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 21 21:46 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/858004 | Nov 21 21:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 21 21:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I hate comments like this, | Nov 21 21:51 |
| schestowitz | "There’s no question that a royalty-free video format is ideal for the Web, but the matter of whether VP8 is truly unencumbered by patents—and also meets the rest of the industry’s technical requirements—is still in dispute." | Nov 21 21:51 |
| schestowitz | So you have a known bad and, to be kind, could be trouble format. Why chose the known bad one? Because the owners of the dying format are threatening to sue the free format? | Nov 21 21:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 21:51 |
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| DaemonFC | steel drums | Nov 21 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | an accordion | Nov 21 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | an electric guitar | Nov 21 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | some saxophones | Nov 21 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | and a violin | Nov 21 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | throw in a bagpipe | Nov 21 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | and what do you get? | Nov 21 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | kmid is cool | Nov 21 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 21 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5730/snapshot12x.png | Nov 21 22:07 |
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| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 21 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | not this cool | Nov 21 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHJOz_y9rZE | Nov 21 22:09 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] coffee break over... back to the !NaNoWriMo ms #nanoturtles | Nov 21 22:18 | |
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| DaemonFC | heh | Nov 21 22:45 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 21 22:50 |
| XFaCE | so the supercommitee failed | Nov 21 22:51 |
| XFaCE | http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2011/11/21/us-supercommittee-deadline.html | Nov 21 22:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: U.S. debt supercommittee fails to reach deal - Business - CBC News .::. Size~: 50.56 KB | Nov 21 22:51 |
| XFaCE | who didn't see that coming? | Nov 21 22:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @ioerror: FinFisher sending a fake iTunes update to own users of iTunes for govt backdoor: http://t.co/6Qyu1hNg #finfisher #egypt #ge ... | Nov 21 22:51 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 21 22:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: RT @techdirt: BSA Changes Its Mind On SOPA: Unintended Consequences Too Big http://t.co/PibEduPn | Nov 21 22:55 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 21 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | I took out some extra email addresses on GMX | Nov 21 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | on their Russian, Chinese, and a few other domains the US can't seize yet | Nov 21 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 21 22:57 |
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| XFaCE | DaemonFC: [xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: RT @techdirt: BSA Changes Its Mind On SOPA: Unintended Consequences Too Big http://t.co/PibEduPn | Nov 21 23:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 21 23:07 |
| XFaCE | Backpedalling! LALALALALA | Nov 21 23:07 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Maybe Microsoft got scared that their market share would drop even more. | Nov 21 23:09 |
| XFaCE | *faster. | Nov 21 23:09 |
| schestowitz | cool. | Nov 21 23:09 |
| schestowitz | OK, am back.. | Nov 21 23:09 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: The BSA did an oops | Nov 21 23:09 |
| XFaCE | If you haven't already read | Nov 21 23:09 |
| schestowitz | i haven't no... | Nov 21 23:10 |
| schestowitz | And today I took my posts with me | Nov 21 23:10 |
| XFaCE | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111121/12585716869/bsa-changes-its-mind-sopa-unintended-consequences-too-big.shtml?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter | Nov 21 23:10 |
| schestowitz | but forgot to charge the PDA | Nov 21 23:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BSA Changes Its Mind On SOPA: Unintended Consequences Too Big | Techdirt .::. Size~: 61.04 KB | Nov 21 23:10 |
| schestowitz | So didn't make any posts :/ | Nov 21 23:10 |
| XFaCE | well, you can make up for it by reporting this sweet sweet backpedalling :) | Nov 21 23:11 |
| XFaCE | You know, while the US economy collapses and millions of regular people go into financial decline. | Nov 21 23:11 |
| XFaCE | This world is very disfunctional and stupid. | Nov 21 23:12 |
| XFaCE | *dysfunctional. Irony, hahaha | Nov 21 23:13 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: For once, Apple fans focus on rationality http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2011/11/fanboys-are-very-upset-about-apples-tacit-sopa-support/45170/ | Nov 21 23:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Fanboys Are Very Upset About Apple's Tacit SOPA Support - Technology - The Atlantic Wire .::. Size~: 66.81 KB | Nov 21 23:15 |
| MinceR | "The attempt to pretend that Apple must support SOPA was angering a lot of Apple fans" -- strange, usually they're all for fascism | Nov 21 23:16 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Maybe there's a limit to their religion. | Nov 21 23:17 |
| XFaCE | Like, the transformation of the Internet completely, if not the complete destruction of it | Nov 21 23:17 |
| schestowitz | !google apps patent internet widget | Nov 21 23:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Tab (GUI) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tab_(GUI) | Nov 21 23:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Apple refusing royalty-free license to widget patent | Apple - CNET ... | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10214426-37.html | Nov 21 23:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - ioBridge | Technology | http://iobridge.com/technology/ | Nov 21 23:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Resume Rajesh Lal | http://www.irajesh.com/files/Resume_Rajesh_Lal.pdf | Nov 21 23:20 |
| schestowitz | !google apple patent internet widget | Nov 21 23:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Apple Introduces an Enhanced TV Widget Paradigm for HDTV ... | http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2011/06/apple-introduces-an-enhanced-tv-widget-paradigm-for-hdtv.html | Nov 21 23:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Canvas element - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canvas_element | Nov 21 23:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Apple TV Set was Jobs' Last Tech Frontier | http://www.pclivesupport.net/blog/apple-tv-set-was-jobs-last-tech-frontier/ | Nov 21 23:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - W3C chastises Apple on HTML5 patenting - Internet-based ... | http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/393143/w3c_chastises_apple_html5_patenting/ | Nov 21 23:20 |
| schestowitz | hmm.. | Nov 21 23:21 |
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| MinceR | they liked "freedom from porn" | Nov 21 23:22 |
| MinceR | they also liked the banning of wikileaks documents from the crApp Store | Nov 21 23:22 |
| MinceR | i guess it's just the usual irrationality leading to random results | Nov 21 23:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: you know whats funny? | Nov 21 23:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think apple needs to protect the store even more | Nov 21 23:22 |
| MinceR | they could accomplish that, for example by shutting down their "business" | Nov 21 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres too many chindian apps on there to be honest | Nov 21 23:23 |
| MinceR | their dictator is already dead anyway, so why bother? time to lie down quietly. | Nov 21 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | should be legitimate apps only | Nov 21 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: I dunno man, if I was an iphone owner, I wouldnt want to see that shit | Nov 21 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | quality apps or gtfo | Nov 21 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | android store has the same problem btw | Nov 21 23:24 |
| MinceR | what, you expect quality anything on a hypePhone? | Nov 21 23:24 |
| MinceR | wrong platform, then | Nov 21 23:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think you're missing the point | Nov 21 23:24 |
| MinceR | that piece of shit is hardly even usable as a phone | Nov 21 23:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | have you seen what the chindians are doing? | Nov 21 23:24 |
| MinceR | no, and i don't really care | Nov 21 23:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | they clone a legitimate app, fuck it up, and then upload 10 thousand versions of it | Nov 21 23:24 |
| MinceR | i'm an adult, i can choose my applications for myself | Nov 21 23:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, there was this one app, and some chindian uploaded "app pro" which costs money AND HAS ADS and is a poorer version of app... which is free. | Nov 21 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | and apple wont do shit | Nov 21 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think apple should be legally forced to deal with this shit | Nov 21 23:26 |
| MinceR | see, this is where the "walled garden" model leads | Nov 21 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | Uncle Fester's front group backed off of SOPA? | Nov 21 23:26 |
| MinceR | seems so | Nov 21 23:26 |
| MinceR | or they'll just support some meaningless changes for PR gains | Nov 21 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | right, like leave the butter up your cornhole for prison sections in | Nov 21 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | and the ISP spying | Nov 21 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | but don't "filter" as such | Nov 21 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | turn it into the thought police bill | Nov 21 23:28 |
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| DaemonFC | "Better not go to that site, it's not 'blocked' but the government frowns on it" | Nov 21 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 21 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | get the people to regulate themselves without "filtering" anything | Nov 21 23:29 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: We must stop them from uploading http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwG2newDukk | Nov 21 23:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL 10 HOURS - YouTube .::. Size~: 91.8 KB | Nov 21 23:32 |
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| XFaCE | DaemonFC: How much money have the lost on that? At least a billion. | Nov 21 23:35 |
| XFaCE | *they | Nov 21 23:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] What we're reading: Interview with a Pirate by @rikkikite | http://ow.ly/7AOgG | Nov 21 23:36 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Open Source Matters: Interview with a Pirate .::. Size~: 85.46 KB | Nov 21 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | sounds totally reasonable given that they can make up any figure they like | Nov 21 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 21 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?6513-Open-ATI-Specifications-For-R100-200&p=239601#post239601 | Nov 21 23:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Open ATI Specifications For R100-200 - Page 4 .::. Size~: 40.44 KB | Nov 21 23:39 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: IFYDN, I met prurigro in real life today | Nov 21 23:40 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: How's the BSD threat? | Nov 21 23:41 |
| XFaCE | *thread | Nov 21 23:41 |
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| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: We spoke of you overall highly. | Nov 21 23:44 |
| schestowitz | you smoked joints? | Nov 21 23:45 |
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| DaemonFC | meh | Nov 21 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | the usual anti-GPL crap | Nov 21 23:53 |
| schestowitz | the freedom to serve apple | Nov 21 23:56 |
| schestowitz | versus the freedom offered to the end users and developers | Nov 21 23:56 |
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