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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKYk8Kw2ohIOct 31 00:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: "What Would America Be Without The Contributions Of Italy" Obama Speech At Italian American Gala       - YouTube .::. Size~: 92.75 KBOct 31 00:02
schestowitzCan you imagine what would happen if Obama did this for smaller racial minorities?Oct 31 00:03
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AdmFubar_hi allOct 31 00:11
AdmFubar_seems linux journal has "jumped the shark"Oct 31 00:11
AdmFubar_got this in an emailOct 31 00:11
AdmFubar_"Have an iPhone or iPad? We invite you to download Linux Journal's brand new iOS apps now featured on your Apple devices."Oct 31 00:11
AdmFubar_WTF???Oct 31 00:11
schestowitz:-)Oct 31 00:12
schestowitzyes, well.. they dives a while backOct 31 00:12
schestowitzyou miss the recent onOct 31 00:12
schestowitzoneOct 31 00:12
schestowitzLinux Format (UK)Oct 31 00:12
schestowitzTheir editor seems to have just leftOct 31 00:12
schestowitzSo I think they're over soonOct 31 00:12
schestowitzAnd then there's eWeekOct 31 00:12
AdmFubar_gee i wonder why?Oct 31 00:12
schestowitzdead more or less in JanuaryOct 31 00:12
schestowitzThey're dying a a paper magazineOct 31 00:13
schestowitzAnd can't 'monetise' onlineOct 31 00:13
schestowitz[00:11] <AdmFubar_> WTF???Oct 31 00:13
schestowitzCould be worseOct 31 00:13
schestowitzNovell did a contest around 200Oct 31 00:13
schestowitzwinner gets iPodOct 31 00:13
schestowitzI told ted Haeger this was a lame priceOct 31 00:13
schestowitzLater Mozilla did something similarOct 31 00:13
schestowitzand I got into an argument with Asa DotzlerOct 31 00:14
schestowitzLOL http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=92362307&authType=NAME_SEARCH&authToken=9-6w&locale=en_US&srchid=218d53fd-81e4-4987-ab5a-6bcf83e98430-0&srchindex=1&srchtotal=445&goback=.fps_PBCK_steve+ballmer_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*2_*1_Y_*1_*1_*1_false_1_R_*1_*51_*1_*51_true_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2&pvs=ps&trk=pp_profile_name_linkOct 31 00:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sign In | LinkedIn .::. Size~: 19.18 KBOct 31 00:15
AdmFubar_but it is stinked in... you gotta sign up for that..Oct 31 00:16
AdmFubar_:POct 31 00:16
AdmFubar_<<<< needs less stuff to sign up foeOct 31 00:16
schestowitzJohn McCain  is on this thingOct 31 00:17
schestowitzdidn't realise some high profile folks were on thatOct 31 00:17
schestowitzthe danger is, ms was rumoured to be buying them a few timesOct 31 00:17
schestowitzbut they already get to harvest all of facebook's dataOct 31 00:17
AdmFubar_i guess john is keeping his options open in case the next election doens go wellOct 31 00:18
schestowitzSarah Palin  is on there tooOct 31 00:18
AdmFubar_harvesting facebook data, or death goes on a holiday?Oct 31 00:18
schestowitzthis is strangeOct 31 00:19
schestowitzPalin has a BS University of Idaho Oct 31 00:19
AdmFubar_i'm sure sarah has no idea what linked it is... or facebook for that matter.Oct 31 00:19
schestowitznot he BS we assume it is..Oct 31 00:19
schestowitzAdmFubar_: yeahOct 31 00:19
schestowitzher campaign team tells her, 'we'd take care of that'Oct 31 00:20
schestowitzsame for other people with aidesOct 31 00:20
schestowitzit's part of the PR :-)Oct 31 00:20
AdmFubar_her campaign is run by larry curly and moeOct 31 00:20
schestowitzshe looks like curlyOct 31 00:22
schestowitzobama's is run by Goldman, Walt Disney, and Osama Bin Laden :-  :-)Oct 31 00:23
AdmFubar_she is from the twilight zoneOct 31 00:23
AdmFubar_or as i refer to the tea party. as the twilight zone partyOct 31 00:24
AdmFubar_:POct 31 00:24
AdmFubar_ok i gotta run.... the girls, my cats, are getting into somethingOct 31 00:25
AdmFubar_heard a clucnkOct 31 00:25
AdmFubar_clinkOct 31 00:25
AdmFubar_:))Oct 31 00:25
AdmFubar_latersOct 31 00:26
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DaemonFCthere are a lot of essentially meaningless degrees that probably won't do you any good in realityOct 31 00:33
*DaemonFC wonders what Palin has a degree inOct 31 00:33
DaemonFCBS in Yeah, Sure, You Betcha?Oct 31 00:33
DaemonFC:)Oct 31 00:33
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_GoblinQuote "Sorry! We had trouble sending your notice. The servers are overloaded. Please try again, and contact the site administrator if this problem persists."Oct 31 01:08
_GoblinIdenti.ca and Microblogging in general is on borrowed time with me.Oct 31 01:08
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schestowitzidentca has been broken for sveral daysOct 31 01:12
schestowitzprior to that, it was semi-broken for a monthOct 31 01:13
schestowitzwithout plans of repairOct 31 01:13
schestowitzafter 1.0.x is seems irreparableOct 31 01:13
_Goblinits just another nail in the coffin for me....Oct 31 01:13
_GoblinI think G+ is not far behindOct 31 01:13
_GoblinI just can't be bothered with it.....Oct 31 01:14
schestowitzDid it quality decline when it opened up?Oct 31 01:21
schestowitz_Goblin: I get more responses in disapora now than in twitterOct 31 01:22
schestowitzeven though I'm new thereOct 31 01:22
_GoblinG+ just seems a little too.....er.....Oct 31 01:22
_Goblinsoap box?Oct 31 01:22
_Goblinthe names in the industry are trying to be the first "most popular" I thinkOct 31 01:23
_Goblinand in terms of discussion, theres much less of interest to me going on over there.Oct 31 01:23
Diablo-D3g+ is just the new twitterOct 31 01:23
Diablo-D3it already failedOct 31 01:24
_GoblinI don't think it will fail since its tied into some very good features.....Oct 31 01:24
schestowitztwitter got suedOct 31 01:24
_Goblinmeetups for example...Oct 31 01:24
schestowitzI'll write about it tomorrow, bed time for me...Oct 31 01:24
_Goblinnight mateOct 31 01:26
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sebsebseb_Goblin: schestowitz Still here?Oct 31 01:45
_Goblinfor a few minutesOct 31 01:48
sebsebseb_Goblin: someone was just having a go at me, since I hadn't used the like button on Facebook to somethingOct 31 01:49
_Goblinlike button? Facebook?Oct 31 01:50
sebsebseb_Goblin: yeah on FacebookOct 31 01:50
_Goblindon't have a facebook account...don't use the serviceOct 31 01:50
sebsebseb_Goblin: this person suggested I get rid of mine even, since I don't use it properly, and they deleted me now for that it seems as well or wahteverOct 31 01:51
_Goblintheres always diasporaOct 31 01:51
sebsebsebI don't really care about social networking sites much anwyayOct 31 01:51
sebsebsebexcept for Identica well sometiemsOct 31 01:51
sebsebseb_Goblin: Identica will go down in like an  hourOct 31 02:02
sebsebseb_Goblin: so the five days of lost dents can come bakcOct 31 02:02
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_Goblinah...Oct 31 02:03
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riddic-ArmBoxIf anybody is planning on buying a (even vaguely) related C book on OReilly, in honor of Dennis Ritchie they're 50% reduced until the 31st .. http://shop.oreilly.com/category/deals/honor-ritchie.doOct 31 03:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: In Honor of Dennis Ritchie - Save 50% on C/C++, Linux and Unix Ebooks and Videos - O'Reilly Media .::. Size~: 53.48 KBOct 31 03:00
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schestowitzHarming Society One Patent at a TimeOct 31 08:37
schestowitz http://techrights.org/2011/10/31/walker-strikes-again/ #swpatsOct 31 08:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Harming Society One Patent at a Time | Techrights .::. Size~: 91.92 KBOct 31 08:37
schestowitzHarming Society One Patent at a TimeOct 31 08:38
schestowitz http://techrights.org/2011/10/31/walker-strikes-again/ #swpatsOct 31 08:38
schestowitzHarming Society One Patent at a TimeOct 31 08:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Harming Society One Patent at a Time | Techrights .::. Size~: 91.92 KBOct 31 08:38
schestowitz http://techrights.org/2011/10/31/walker-strikes-again/ #swpatsOct 31 08:38
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schestowitzoopsOct 31 08:38
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MinceRschestowitz: doctors are so not overpaid here they're actually leaving the countryOct 31 09:59
schestowitzMinceR: yeah, that was my pointOct 31 10:01
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DaemonFChttp://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?64229-Ubuntu-11.10-Xen-vs.-KVM-vs.-VirtualBox&p=236218&posted=1#post236218Oct 31 12:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu 11.10: Xen vs. KVM vs. VirtualBox .::. Size~: 62.08 KBOct 31 12:14
DaemonFC:)Oct 31 12:14
DaemonFChttp://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?64229-Ubuntu-11.10-Xen-vs.-KVM-vs.-VirtualBox&p=236221&posted=1#post236221Oct 31 12:20
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DaemonFC"Edit: I guess those sites which point out that Internet Explorer is the slowest and least standards compliant major web browser are in danger of being sued? "Oct 31 12:24
DaemonFC[08:36] <DaemonFC> for some reason, RAR is still the de facto format for piracy ringsOct 31 12:42
DaemonFC[08:36] <DaemonFC> they don't much care about licensing you seeOct 31 12:42
DaemonFC[08:36] <DaemonFC> they'll gladly crack WinRAR as wellOct 31 12:42
DaemonFC[08:36] <DaemonFC> and then distribute the crack as an RAROct 31 12:42
DaemonFC[08:36] <DaemonFC> RAWR!!!!Oct 31 12:42
DaemonFC:)Oct 31 12:42
DaemonFC(About no-benchmark clauses in EULAs)Oct 31 12:51
DaemonFCI see no-benchmark clauses in proprietary software a lot...it makes me stop and wonder "What kind of crazy messed up shit are you making if you don't want anyone to benchmark it?".Oct 31 12:51
DaemonFCIf your software was any kind of decent, surely you'd want people to benchmark it and tell others how awesome it is and how much of a fool they are if they don't use it.Oct 31 12:51
DaemonFCSo it's probably no surprise that the kind of software with these clauses are mainly from companies like Microsoft, Apple, and VMWare.Oct 31 12:51
DaemonFCThey're like an insecure man at a urinal that shouts "STOP LOOKING AT MY TINY PENIS!!!!? DID I TELL YOU YOU COULD COMPARE MY TINY PENIS WITH YOUR MASSIVE PENIS!?!?" "DON'T LAUGH AT ME!!!!!!!!" "STOP IT!!!!"Oct 31 12:51
DaemonFC-me :)Oct 31 12:51
amarsh04you forgot OracleOct 31 12:54
DaemonFC"It is for this reason that many of the people arguing in favor of permissive non-copyleft licenses actually represent the kind of company that wants free labor for their proprietary software offerings. The BSD and MIT licenses have nothing to do with freedom or open source software, but unfortunately there are a lot of rather Dalek-like promoters of these license."Oct 31 12:57
DaemonFChow does this sound? :)Oct 31 12:58
amarsh04sounds goodOct 31 13:05
Kryczek"So make sure you don't benchmark Internet Explorer DirectX acceleration in Windows running under Parallels in Mac OS X under VMWare while making nuclear weapons to drop on Australia."Oct 31 13:09
KryczekDaemonFC: what's with Australia? :DOct 31 13:09
amarsh04at least qantas is flying againOct 31 13:10
Kryczekanyway that benchmark is retarded: the author doesn't even say if he installed "guest additions" (actually Ubuntu automatically installed the VirtualBox ones if it detects being installed as a VirtualBox VM) effectively making everything PV-over-HVM, or even PV in the case of KVMOct 31 13:17
Kryczekwhile Xen "was tested in the HVM mode but not the para-virtualized configuration"Oct 31 13:18
Kryczekthe PV vs HVM performance difference is hugeOct 31 13:18
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schestowitz#Ubuntu #Linux heads to smartphones, tablets, and smart TVs. http://is.gd/ehxU5d #tabletOct 31 13:22
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iophkUnity still has too many shortcomings to be part of a LTS.  Oct 31 13:44
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sebsebsebhiOct 31 13:50
DaemonFChttps://daemonfc.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/permissive-license-abuse/Oct 31 13:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Thoughts about software license abuses. No benchmarks, the practice of patenting and copyrighting formerly free software, and NO BENCHMARKS! (Did I mention no benchmarks?) « daemonfc .::. Size~: 40.19 KBOct 31 13:52
DaemonFCstill in progressOct 31 13:52
DaemonFCRyan Farmer unlocked Shaped Charge in War Commander.Oct 31 14:04
DaemonFCOne focused blast for maximum damage -- the crows won't go hungry with all the limbs lying around.Oct 31 14:04
schestowitzMy life with a #Linux Desktop in the Corporate World... http://linuxinstall.net/cto-briefs/2011/10/30/my-life-with-a-linux-desktop-in-the-corporate-world.htmlOct 31 14:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: My life with a Linux Desktop in the Corporate World... - CTO Briefs - Linux Install Network .::. Size~: 49.5 KBOct 31 14:04
schestowitzI am soo Tired of the Endless Desktop Flame Wars - Can we Please all Stop This? http://is.gd/WTyMMc read with cautionOct 31 14:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: I am soo Tired of the Endless Desktop Flame Wars - Can we Please all Stop This? | lex naturalis - txwikinger's blog .::. Size~: 64.51 KBOct 31 14:05
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DaemonFChttp://news.slashdot.org/story/11/10/31/1255205/climate-change-skeptic-results-released-todayOct 31 14:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Climate Change Skeptic Results Released Today - Slashdot .::. Size~: 132.96 KBOct 31 14:10
DaemonFCwonder what their angle isOct 31 14:11
DaemonFCclimate change denier turned climate change promoterOct 31 14:11
DaemonFCbecause the people funding him to deny climate change decided to fund him to promote the idea insteadOct 31 14:11
DaemonFCI know, they're trying to fucking confuse EVERYONEOct 31 14:11
DaemonFC:DOct 31 14:11
schestowitzA Look at the Latest #Kubuntu #GNU #Linux With #KDE 4.7 http://itechreport.com.au/2011/10/30/review-kubuntu-10-11/ #canonicalOct 31 14:13
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iophk"The Republican 8 Phase Denial PlanOct 31 14:25
iophk1) There's no such thing as global warming.Oct 31 14:25
iophk2) There's global warming, but the scientists are exaggerating. It's notOct 31 14:25
iophksignificant.Oct 31 14:25
iophk3) There's significant global warming, but man doesn't cause it.Oct 31 14:25
iophk4) Man causes significant global warming, but it's not economicallyOct 31 14:25
iophkpossible to tackle it.Oct 31 14:25
iophk5) We need to tackle global warming, so make the poor pay for it.Oct 31 14:25
iophk6) Global warming is bad for business. Why did the Democrats not tackleOct 31 14:25
iophkit earlier?Oct 31 14:25
iophk7) ????Oct 31 14:25
iophk8) Profit."Oct 31 14:25
iophkhttp://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2487864&cid=37790992Oct 31 14:26
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Global Warming 'Confirmed' By Independent Study - Slashdot .::. Size~: 51.72 KBOct 31 14:26
schestowitzI think i pasted that tooOct 31 14:28
schestowitzSome months agoOct 31 14:28
schestowitzFrom one site or anotherOct 31 14:28
schestowitzIs that an original comment?Oct 31 14:28
DaemonFCthe Puffington Post finally picked up on itOct 31 14:30
iophkNo idea, just the link from the /. commentOct 31 14:30
iophkThere were some sharp additions in a followup comment;Oct 31 14:31
iophk3.1) Man causes it, but it isn't a problem.Oct 31 14:31
iophk3.2) It's a problem, but it's not a problem for man, it's only a problem for other animals and plants.Oct 31 14:31
iophk3.3) It's a problem for man, but man is incapable of solving it.Oct 31 14:31
DaemonFCPuffington Post and Faux NewsOct 31 14:31
DaemonFCthe sewer of the news businessOct 31 14:31
schestowitzParticle Code Platform May Go Open-Source http://is.gd/0arP0uOct 31 14:31
schestowitz#freeswOct 31 14:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] Linux Hardware Reviews, Benchmarking, & Gaming .::. Size~: 46.02 KBOct 31 14:31
DaemonFCArianna Huffington is a limousine liberalOct 31 14:32
schestowitzfake spokesmen for 'third class America'Oct 31 14:32
DaemonFCand Rupert Murdoch is just a greedy unethical law breaking parasiteOct 31 14:32
schestowitzTell her to defend the poor while having dinner with BillG :-)Oct 31 14:32
schestowitzDaemonFC: he's just in the business of srelling papersOct 31 14:32
schestowitzNot telling the truthOct 31 14:32
schestowitzOr doing any goodOct 31 14:33
schestowitzjust making money and helping his mates while he's at itOct 31 14:33
schestowitzhe pretty much admitted thisOct 31 14:33
schestowitzhe said it's libel to say he helps the Republicans or interfere with politicsOct 31 14:33
schestowitzAnd that all he cares about is selling paperOct 31 14:33
schestowitzSo there you have itOct 31 14:33
schestowitzIt's about sales, not accuracyOct 31 14:33
schestowitzI heard that if the market for GOP grows bigger, he'll lean towards themOct 31 14:34
schestowitzWhatever pays betterOct 31 14:34
DaemonFCI stopped watching Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow because MSNBC kept putting Arianna Huffington on their showsOct 31 14:35
schestowitzyuckOct 31 14:36
schestowitzthey're not people who are against GOPOct 31 14:36
schestowitzThey are a distractinOct 31 14:36
schestowitzLook towards those who don't bat for blue and redOct 31 14:36
schestowitzthe business partiesOct 31 14:36
schestowitzAs in, business funded to serve just businesses and not peopleOct 31 14:37
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schestowitzSchools in Portugal Might Have to Move to #GNU #Linux http://is.gd/n6TPDD #PortugalOct 31 14:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Government of Portugal is Cutting Funding to M$ at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 47.89 KBOct 31 14:56
schestowitzLaptop sold without an operating system (just a paid-for Microsoft endorsement) http://is.gd/Jhj4OzOct 31 14:56
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schestowitzhttp://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/special-offers.workflow:ShowPromo?LandingPage=/All/US/Landing_pages/Promos/thinkpad/ThinkPad_DOS&AID=10499647&PID=1242965&SID=0-20111030065933-20110602101940695--0--10188985&CJURL=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.lenovo.com%2FSEUILibrary%2Fcontroller%2Fe%2Fweb%2FLenovoPortal%2Fen_US%2Fspecial-offers.workflow%3AShowPromo%3FLandingPage%3D%2FAll%2FUS%2FLanding_pages%2FPromos%Oct 31 14:56
schestowitz2Fthinkpad%2FThinkPad_DOSOct 31 14:56
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schestowitzMicrosoft Joe..Oct 31 15:04
schestowitzIn Arse TechnicaOct 31 15:04
schestowitzWatch how he ends it with Microsoft talking points http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/10/the-right-to-dual-boot-linux-groups-plead-case-prior-to-windows-8-launch.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rssOct 31 15:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The right to dual-boot: Linux groups plead case prior to Windows 8 launch .::. Size~: 36.41 KBOct 31 15:05
schestowitzAs one should expect from JoeOct 31 15:05
schestowitzIDG "Mozilla/Microsoft deal: What's the problem?"Oct 31 15:08
schestowitzHad a chat with a Linux Team Manager today... turned out he know Boycott Novell :-)Oct 31 15:09
schestowitzThey use CentOSOct 31 15:09
schestowitz:-)Oct 31 15:09
schestowitz /s/know/knew/Oct 31 15:09
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DaemonFChttp://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-11-9-x86.x86_64.runOct 31 15:14
DaemonFCout but unannouncedOct 31 15:14
DaemonFCerrrOct 31 15:14
DaemonFChttp://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-11-10-x86.x86_64.runOct 31 15:14
DaemonFCoopsOct 31 15:14
DaemonFC:)Oct 31 15:14
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iophkAbout the Ars Technica article the comments are full of shills and astroturfing, so that says that the topic is important.  Probably Red Hat and Canonical have understated the problem pose for third party OS's and especially for dual booting.Oct 31 15:24
schestowitzyeahOct 31 15:25
schestowitzBut Jon is also acting like controlled oppositionOct 31 15:25
schestowitzpresenting this as a concernOct 31 15:25
schestowitzto actually vacuum in the attentiOct 31 15:25
schestowitzAnd then serve the MS talking pointsOct 31 15:25
schestowitz"you can switch it off"Oct 31 15:25
schestowitz"it's for security etc."Oct 31 15:25
schestowitz"The Linux Foundation is a whiner..."Oct 31 15:25
schestowitzJulie or Alan did this tooOct 31 15:25
schestowitzIn IDGOct 31 15:26
schestowitzWhere he writes tooOct 31 15:26
schestowitzThey do this under a 'OSS' blogOct 31 15:26
schestowitzSuck ***Oct 31 15:26
schestowitzSIck **** I emantOct 31 15:26
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schestowitzA lot of people just think it's Ars articleOct 31 15:26
schestowitzBecause they don't klnow the author's history of workOct 31 15:27
schestowitzHe's the MS whitewasherOct 31 15:27
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schestowitzhttp://www.mediaite.com/tv/alan-grayson-gets-standing-ovation-while-bill-maher-panel-mocks-occupy-wall-street-hippies/Oct 31 15:28
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DaemonFCOpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.Oct 31 15:30
DaemonFCOpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon HD 5870Oct 31 15:30
DaemonFCOpenGL version string: 4.1.11161 Compatibility Profile ContextOct 31 15:30
DaemonFCOpenGL shading language version string: 4.10Oct 31 15:30
DaemonFCit seems to work so farOct 31 15:30
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/28/occupy-san-francisco-cancer-patientOct 31 15:30
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DaemonFCof course that means nothingOct 31 15:31
DaemonFC11.9 was horribly broken but only crashed under certain conditionsOct 31 15:31
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DaemonFChttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1227/snapshot19n.pngOct 31 15:38
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DaemonFCFGLRX this monthOct 31 15:38
iophkschestowitz: It used to be that publications selected authors that could maintain a certain level of integrity.Oct 31 15:43
schestowitzhttp://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/10/30/203242/how-can-i-justify-using-red-hat-when-centos-existsOct 31 15:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How Can I Justify Using Red Hat When CentOS Exists? - Slashdot .::. Size~: 187.46 KBOct 31 15:45
schestowitzMS talking point?Oct 31 15:45
schestowitziophk: there is a lack of writersOct 31 15:45
schestowitzCause they hardly get paidOct 31 15:45
schestowitzso PR agents full their roleOct 31 15:45
schestowitzand if they sell an agenda, then there is a business modelOct 31 15:46
iophkM$ pushes CentOS , presumably to undercut Red HatOct 31 15:46
iophkhttp://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/05/16/microsoft_centos/Oct 31 15:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft welcomes CentOS Linux onto virtualized Windows • Channel Register .::. Size~: 25.13 KBOct 31 15:46
schestowitzBTW, eWeek dies in end of Dec.Oct 31 15:46
schestowitzNo printOct 31 15:46
iophkI haven't read eWeek in agesOct 31 15:46
schestowitziophk: that's what I heard but I am not sureOct 31 15:46
schestowitzit's just one legiyimate claimOct 31 15:46
schestowitzBut some just try to save moneyOct 31 15:46
schestowitzI visited a local business this morningOct 31 15:46
schestowitzA few hours in a large UK company that uses CentOSOct 31 15:47
schestowitzOne of the question was, why pay Red Hat? And why not Fedora...Oct 31 15:47
iophkWhy not Fedora?Oct 31 15:47
schestowitzI really think that with in-house Linux experts they just obviated the need for Red Hat's handOct 31 15:47
schestowitz!google steven centos most popular linuxOct 31 15:47
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - The most popular Linux for Web servers is ... - Computerworld Blogs | http://blogs.computerworld.com/16596/the_most_popular_web_server_linux_isOct 31 15:47
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - [CentOS] CentOS is dead... Long live Scientific Linux? [Archive ... | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1759817.htmlOct 31 15:47
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 Security Guide - CentOS | http://www.centos.org/docs/4/pdf/rhel-sg-en.pdfOct 31 15:47
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Steve's Blog » Xen on RHEL6, Scientific Linux 6, CentOS 6 howto | http://www.crc.id.au/xen-on-rhel6-scientific-linux-6-centos-6-howto/Oct 31 15:47
schestowitziophk: short support cyclesOct 31 15:48
schestowitzAnd no binary comptOct 31 15:48
schestowitzfor some proprietary s/wOct 31 15:48
schestowitzit's also not as reliableOct 31 15:48
schestowitzI have it running in my older officeOct 31 15:48
iophkFair enough.Oct 31 15:48
schestowitzDoes Fedora have LTS releases?Oct 31 15:48
iophkNot that I know of.  Oct 31 15:48
schestowitzLike 10.04 of Kubuntu, which I use now..Oct 31 15:48
schestowitzI don't know of any eitherOct 31 15:49
schestowitzRed Hat might not want to make an LTS releaseOct 31 15:49
schestowitzAs it might undercut RHELOct 31 15:49
schestowitzUbuntu is OK and Canonical does good by not separating the community side from business oneOct 31 15:49
iophkI got the impression that it was intentionally kept a little experimental to drive RHEL sales.Oct 31 15:49
schestowitzThey all get the same level of supportOct 31 15:49
schestowitziophk: yeahOct 31 15:49
schestowitzIs CentOS ok now?Oct 31 15:50
schestowitzMore releases recentlyOct 31 15:50
schestowitzRHEL 6Oct 31 15:50
schestowitzand I don't like SCO's Sandy moving to MS, then promoting centOSOct 31 15:51
schestowitzThey try to sell Hype-V with itOct 31 15:51
schestowitzThecompany I went to today uses Hype-VOct 31 15:51
schestowitz(hyperv)Oct 31 15:51
abeNd-orgstill like vmware more so than hypervOct 31 15:51
schestowitzThey put Linux on it, not the choice of their Linux headOct 31 15:51
schestowitzIt's silly, I kow..Oct 31 15:51
schestowitzabeNd-org:haven't seen hyper-V in action yetOct 31 15:51
schestowitzdon't want to, eitherOct 31 15:52
abeNd-orgive got some clients with it, they have failover issuesOct 31 15:52
schestowitzused kvm and vsphere commerically, won't touch MSOct 31 15:52
abeNd-organd the lack of memory oversubscriptionOct 31 15:52
schestowitzTroll wants traffic for playing apologist http://www.zdnet.com/blog/diy-it/mea-culpa-coming-clean-about-my-n00b-linux-mistakes/262Oct 31 15:54
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schestowitzlameOct 31 15:54
schestowitzZDNet modus operandiOct 31 15:54
schestowitzThen the site will blame "some blogger"Oct 31 15:54
schestowitz"rotten apple"Oct 31 15:54
schestowitzBut..Oct 31 15:54
schestowitzZDnet gets treated as "news" by GoogleOct 31 15:54
schestowitzSo it's just a "get out" clause for themOct 31 15:55
schestowitzTo troll and be the Murdoch of ITOct 31 15:55
schestowitz!google fox news idgOct 31 15:55
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - IDG World Expo Unveils Groundbreaking New Macworld | iWorld ... | http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/15871945/idg-world-expo-unveils-groundbreaking-new-macworld-iworldOct 31 15:55
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Why IDG is The Fox News of IT | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/06/11/idc-idg-and-propaganda/Oct 31 15:55
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - IDG TechNetwork : About Us : Press Releases | http://www.idgtechnetwork.com/about_us/pr_022610.phpOct 31 15:55
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Fox Twitter account hacked, claims Obama shot in Iowa ... | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9218116/Fox_Twitter_account_hacked_claims_Obama_shot_in_IowaOct 31 15:55
schestowitziophk: stephen ELOP “We want people to feel something special when they hear the word Nokia”Oct 31 15:57
schestowitzSee top of page in http://www.techcentral.co.za/vodafone-webbook-review-cheap-and-cheerful-ubuntu-netbook/27074/Oct 31 15:57
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schestowitz“We want people to feel something special when they hear the word Nokia”Oct 31 15:57
schestowitzRight..Oct 31 15:57
schestowitzI feel... CRAPOct 31 15:57
schestowitzand feel... instrusionOct 31 15:57
iophk"special" as in riding the short busOct 31 15:57
schestowitzCorruptionOct 31 15:57
schestowitzwhen I hear the word NokiaOct 31 15:57
schestowitzand I'm not aloneOct 31 15:58
schestowitzNokia because a laughingn stockOct 31 15:58
schestowitzAnd case of company MS destoryedOct 31 15:58
schestowitzhttp://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/uefi_and_windows_8_bad_news_gnu_linuxOct 31 15:59
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iophk"On that reading, Microsoft is spitting in the eye of their own customer base" — business as usualOct 31 16:02
schestowitzFallacyOct 31 16:03
Kryczekspeaking of spitting in eyes, am I the only one to wince everytime I see GNU/Linux written?Oct 31 16:03
schestowitzMicrosoft has no custmer baseOct 31 16:04
schestowitzNot the one he refers toOct 31 16:04
schestowitzWindows users are not Microsoft customersOct 31 16:04
iophkThe end user is not the customer.Oct 31 16:04
schestowitzThey never bought anything from MSOct 31 16:04
schestowitzMost have notOct 31 16:04
iophkIt is the OEMs that are the customersOct 31 16:04
schestowitzthey bought a computerOct 31 16:04
schestowitzMicrosoft has OEMs spit on the customers in exchange for kickbacks, which should eb considered a crime like bribery and collusionOct 31 16:04
schestowitzCommon mistake seen in news: Windows users are not Microsoft customers. They are Dell/HP/other customers. Windows not chosen.Oct 31 16:07
schestowitzGoogle TV update adds Android MarketOct 31 16:07
Kryczekwhat does the author mean by "Has the launch of Kernel 3.0, which incorporates GRUB, changed anything?" ?Oct 31 16:07
DaemonFChe means he doesn't know what he's talking about and threw a bunch of words into something like Dissociated Press to get ad revenueOct 31 16:08
schestowitzPeople don't often choose Android either. They choose a carrier and manufacturer, Android is a commodity.Oct 31 16:08
DaemonFCkind of like PhoronixOct 31 16:08
KryczekDaemonFC: haha :D Oct 31 16:08
Kryczekhigh five! _o/Oct 31 16:08
schestowitzLOLOct 31 16:08
schestowitzLinuxGRUB?Oct 31 16:08
schestowitz"Oy! Tell Linux the GNU projectb infiltrated the git repo"Oct 31 16:08
Kryczek:)Oct 31 16:09
*Kryczek runs TrustedGRUB thoughOct 31 16:09
Kryczekevil secure booting and allOct 31 16:09
schestowitz!google linus likes vioiz<ationOct 31 16:09
TechrightsBot-trNo Google resultsOct 31 16:09
gnufreexWtf... kernel now comes with GRUB?Oct 31 16:09
schestowitz!google linus likes tivoizationOct 31 16:09
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Tivoization | Techrights | http://techrights.org/category/tivoization/Oct 31 16:09
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Tivoization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TivoizationOct 31 16:09
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Coding Horror: Tivoization and the GPL | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2008/02/tivoization-and-the-gpl.htmlOct 31 16:09
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - tivoization | Distracting Pages about Open Source Software | http://www.dposs.org/category/tivoization/Oct 31 16:09
schestowitzsee [3] : from MS employeeOct 31 16:09
Kryczekgnufreex: they were in need of a chicken and egg problemOct 31 16:09
schestowitzMS likes using tivoisation to margnalise the GPLOct 31 16:10
Kryczekso since linux 3.0 you need to be running a kernel in order to bootstrap your kernelOct 31 16:10
schestowitzI saw it in some MS blogs following the UEFI debacleOct 31 16:10
schestowitzAnd Bott did the "plenting" for the VoleOct 31 16:10
schestowitz*plantingOct 31 16:10
schestowitzKryczek: yo dawnOct 31 16:10
schestowitzKryczek: yo dawgOct 31 16:10
schestowitzDaemonFC: : yo dawnOct 31 16:11
Kryczekschestowitz: yo sup homieOct 31 16:11
DaemonFCYo dawg, I heard you liked some grub with your grub so I brought you some Linux for your LinuxOct 31 16:11
schestowitzI herd you installed  linux 3.0 so that you can be running a kernel in order to bootstrap your kernelOct 31 16:11
Kryczekfo shizzleOct 31 16:11
Kryczekschestowitz: I also be running a 192bit system:Oct 31 16:12
KryczekLinux laptop 3.0.0-12-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 7 14:56:25 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/LinuxOct 31 16:12
Kryczek3 * 64bitOct 31 16:12
gnufreexlolOct 31 16:12
schestowitzDaemonFC: I herd Dawn got another razor so she can be shaven while she's shaving (your neighbour)Oct 31 16:12
DaemonFChttp://www.mywebpower.com/graphics/comments//thumbnails/funny_pictures/9_funny_microsoft_word.jpgOct 31 16:12
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Kryczekhahaha yeahOct 31 16:12
Kryczekthat one never gets old :)Oct 31 16:12
schestowitzlots of it in Google ImagesOct 31 16:13
DaemonFChttp://randomoverload.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/6f547f7acct-word.jpg.jpg?w=400&h=284Oct 31 16:13
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Kryczekdo you know http://files.myopera.com/dyingsoul/albums/226556/windows%20cement.png ? :)Oct 31 16:13
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=yo+dawg&oq=yo+dawg&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=1380l1380l0l1493l1l1l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0Oct 31 16:13
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DaemonFChttp://pka.ath.cx/lj/201011/insert-std.jpgOct 31 16:14
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Kryczekreminds me of a friend's gf back when we were students in master of computer scienceOct 31 16:14
Kryczekshe discovered that we were in fact not spending years learning how to use WordOct 31 16:15
Kryczek(and other common programs)Oct 31 16:16
DaemonFChttps://funnywebjokes.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/0000.jpg%3Fw%3D348%26h%3D304Oct 31 16:16
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KryczekDaemonFC: is that Sarah Palin? :POct 31 16:16
DaemonFChttp://www.japemonster.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/funny-graphs-microsoft-word-is-not-working.pngOct 31 16:16
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schestowitzhttp://somethingelsereviews.com/2011/10/29/the-jeff-gauthier-goatette-open-source-2011/Oct 31 16:18
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DaemonFChttp://img107.imageshack.us/img107/1717/officesuicideletter0yw.pngOct 31 16:18
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schestowitzKryczek: lolOct 31 16:18
schestowitzDaemonFC: he's committing suicide cause he uses MS Word with ClippyOct 31 16:19
schestowitzCausal relationshipOct 31 16:19
DaemonFChttp://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmeigmSgtG1qkkz79o1_500.jpgOct 31 16:19
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schestowitz"It looks like you've missed a spot" -DawnOct 31 16:20
*DaemonFC is bored and sending infantry into a minefield to clear a path for his tanksOct 31 16:22
DaemonFCWar CommanderOct 31 16:22
DaemonFCno, they're not detecting the mines, they set them off by walking onto oneOct 31 16:22
DaemonFCit's cheaper than losing tanksOct 31 16:23
DaemonFC:)Oct 31 16:23
iophkDaemonFC : shouldn't be the same kind of mine for both.Oct 31 16:23
DaemonFCthis player has shaped chargesOct 31 16:23
DaemonFCone shaped charge can destroy a dozen tanksOct 31 16:24
DaemonFCor one expendable rifleman that took 10 seconds to makeOct 31 16:24
DaemonFC:)Oct 31 16:24
DaemonFCfailOct 31 16:24
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84790424Oct 31 16:26
TechrightsBot-tr@Jorge Araya Navarro (swt)'s status on Sunday, 30-Oct-11 20:43:10 UTC - Identi.ca: !FSF != #Extremist && #Extremist != #Terrorism && #Muslims != #bombs; #propetary_software_at_Any_percent == no_freedom;Oct 31 16:26
schestowitzThe Occupy Wall Street people are being potrayed as Nazis by Murodch's media empireOct 31 16:26
schestowitzFSF is portrayed as religious cult by MS & AppleOct 31 16:26
schestowitzWhen in fact it's run by atheistsOct 31 16:26
schestowitzWhereas Apple and MS work like cultsOct 31 16:26
schestowitzReversal usign PROct 31 16:27
DaemonFCreally the only thing mines are good for in this game is slowing down the enemy's advance as your turrets and machine guns fire on themOct 31 16:27
DaemonFCbut people are dumb and don't use them that wayOct 31 16:27
DaemonFCI put a minefield in front of turrets and mortars Oct 31 16:28
DaemonFCthey can shoot past the minefieldOct 31 16:28
iophkschestowitz (see [3] : from MS employee) he makes a good point about tivoization.Oct 31 16:28
DaemonFCbut the enemy can't cross the field to get into range of my defense system without being blown upOct 31 16:29
DaemonFC:)Oct 31 16:29
schestowitzwhat do you think about http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/road_browserchoice_euOct 31 16:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The road to browserchoice.eu .::. Size~: 46.86 KBOct 31 16:31
schestowitzweird stuff there...Oct 31 16:31
DaemonFCBrowser ChoiceOct 31 16:31
DaemonFCthey say that like IE is optional and there aren't many things hard coded to launch it ignoring your preferred browserOct 31 16:32
DaemonFC:)Oct 31 16:32
iophkIE is not optional as long as it is tied to the OSOct 31 16:34
iophkThe legal action from Opera failed and we ended up with the sham, "browser ballot"Oct 31 16:35
iophkinsteadOct 31 16:35
iophkEven with the claims that "downloads tripled", the original problem of the presence of IE did not go away.  Instead of IE only, the user then had Opera+IE.  The tying is still occurring and the ballot does nothing to address that.Oct 31 16:39
schestowitz"Oh please...please... Let's do what Spain did and create our own distros (like Guadalinex). I would go even further and create our own tablet pcs for school use. Dropping physical books almost completely. "Oct 31 16:40
schestowitzhttp://joindiaspora.com/posts/707506Oct 31 16:40
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DaemonFCOpera used the EU to bait Microsoft to pay them to shut up and go awayOct 31 16:41
DaemonFCthen Microsoft paid Opera again to install Bing and use it in the speed dialOct 31 16:42
DaemonFChttp://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?62606-AMD-Ports-Open-Source-Linux-Driver-To-Windows-Embedded&p=236273#post236273Oct 31 16:47
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schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2011/10/31/particle-code/Oct 31 17:00
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DaemonFCWebM in Flash?Oct 31 17:01
DaemonFCthat's like a cake topped with shitOct 31 17:01
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/gh_geek/status/131052535573262337?iid=am-66429244813200803340894473&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208Oct 31 17:02
TechrightsBot-tr@gh_geek: @schestowitz Is that Michael guy a paid M$ troll on Techrights or something?Oct 31 17:02
DaemonFCWho cares what real people are saying about GNOME when they can just make up theoretical users for their design arguments?Oct 31 17:03
XFaCEDaemonFC: It's pointless (WebM+Flash)Oct 31 17:03
XFaCEschestowitz: Nah, he's just a major case of obsessionOct 31 17:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/CaptainBadazz/status/130185413674545152Oct 31 17:04
TechrightsBot-tr@CaptainBadazz: @schestowitz Important new video, Stand Up Mr US Businessman is up on You Tube. Hope it inspires people to think. http://t.co/0oRc4mh1Oct 31 17:04
TechrightsBot-tr@: Oct 31 17:04
schestowitzfixed a link to old Comes materialOct 31 17:05
schestowitzwe generally do not talk about trolls (it's what they aim for)Oct 31 17:05
XFaCEschestowitz: Quick question, do you keep all IRC logs hosted?  As in, since the beginning?Oct 31 17:07
schestowitzyesOct 31 17:17
schestowitzI also have them stored in raw form on my PCsOct 31 17:17
schestowitzI don't keep site logs thoughOct 31 17:17
schestowitz(privacy)Oct 31 17:17
schestowitzthey get flushed after a few weeksOct 31 17:18
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schestowitz"It doesnt seem to be an option in Europe. what do you mean "paid-for Microsoft endorsement"?" http://joindiaspora.com/posts/707484Oct 31 17:33
TechrightsBot-tr@: Oct 31 17:34
iophkThere are a lot of disclaimers there to scare off customers.Oct 31 17:34
schestowitzyeahOct 31 17:37
schestowitzrecmmends vista 7Oct 31 17:37
schestowitzpaid forOct 31 17:37
schestowitztechrights has the evidenceOct 31 17:37
schestowitzthe only one afaikOct 31 17:37
iophkCan Ubuntu or Red Hat get in there before the holiday season starts this next month?Oct 31 17:38
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schestowitzMaybeOct 31 17:40
schestowitzNo rush for them.. too focused on serversOct 31 17:40
schestowitzand ubuntu is not doing too well on desktops, trying other thingsOct 31 17:40
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DaemonFChttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/31/us-could-withhold-funds-to-un-agency-after-vote-to-grant-membership-to/Oct 31 17:49
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DaemonFCyayOct 31 17:49
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iophkhttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9221329/iPhone_4S_owners_report_dramatic_battery_drainOct 31 17:55
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schestowitzI put something about this in daily linksOct 31 18:20
schestowitzAndroid will shatter hypePhone if this carries onOct 31 18:20
schestowitzLarry Ellijobs will carry on suing AndroidOct 31 18:20
schestowitzFor his dead buddyOct 31 18:20
DaemonFC[14:22] <DaemonFC> Defective hypePhones, round 4.1Oct 31 18:24
DaemonFC[14:22] <DaemonFC> :)Oct 31 18:24
DaemonFC[14:22] <DaemonFC> "A long thread dedicated to the problem now has more than 2,300 messages, runs 160 pages and has been accessed more than 160,000 times, all huge numbers for an Apple support discussion."Oct 31 18:24
DaemonFC[14:23] <DaemonFC> You mean they haven't deleted it, banned everyone that talked about it, denied it, and told their support people to plead ignorance yet?Oct 31 18:24
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DaemonFC[14:32] <DaemonFC> PROTECT PRO TECT!!!!Oct 31 18:34
DaemonFC[14:32] <DaemonFC> EX TER MIN ATE!!!!Oct 31 18:34
DaemonFC[14:33] <DaemonFC> NO MAC DEFENDER, IT HAS BEEN EX TER MIN ATED (for the five minutes it takes the next version to be released)Oct 31 18:35
DaemonFCIT IS NOT A DESIGN PROBLEM, YOU ARE HOL DING IT WRONG!!!!Oct 31 18:35
DaemonFCHOLD IT THIS WAY INSTEAD!!!!Oct 31 18:35
DaemonFCOBEY! OBEY!!!!Oct 31 18:35
schestowitzdon't be such a BUM perOct 31 18:36
XFaCENice to see the channel as productive as usual.Oct 31 18:38
XFaCE;)Oct 31 18:39
XFaCEschestowitz: We really should collaborate on an article about the stupid copyright reforms in CanadaOct 31 18:39
schestowitzvery mature conversations, TOOOct 31 18:40
XFaCEAs patents haven't affected Canada as much as say, Europe and US, we should focus on what is very pertinate in granting monopoly legislationOct 31 18:40
schestowitzLOL ponies. OMG.Oct 31 18:40
schestowitzI chatted about swpats today at some companyOct 31 18:40
schestowitzThey're more likely to get sued than ever sueOct 31 18:41
XFaCEschestowitz: Now obviously what happens in the US regarding patents (whether it be M$ taxes) do have an effect on Canada, but not on the Gov't levelOct 31 18:41
schestowitzTechrights is seen as quite PC now that it focuses on these issues on which there's wide consensusOct 31 18:41
schestowitzWait, harper is not a US governor?Oct 31 18:41
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XFaCEschestowitz: How are we politically correct? :POct 31 18:42
XFaCEschestowitz: Yeah, I know, it's easy to mistake.Oct 31 18:42
schestowitzon the software patents issueOct 31 18:42
schestowitzMany companies care for copyrightsOct 31 18:42
schestowitznot for patents on softwareOct 31 18:42
schestowitzesp. in the UKOct 31 18:42
schestowitzSo the law is on our side hereOct 31 18:42
schestowitzI guess in the US it's a borderline civil disobedience caseOct 31 18:43
XFaCEschestowitz: Too bad the copyright side is just as ridiculous if not moreso than the patent side.Oct 31 18:43
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XFaCEschestowitz: We may want to start focusing on that twoOct 31 18:48
XFaCEtooOct 31 18:48
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schestowitzyou should cover it...Oct 31 18:50
XFaCEschestowitz: DaemonFC: Sorry to be killjoy, but seriously.Oct 31 18:50
schestowitzI used to post links about copyrightsOct 31 18:50
schestowitznot so much of that anymoreOct 31 18:51
Kryczeksomeone patented posting links about copyrights? :pOct 31 18:51
XFaCEKryczek: Err, what?Oct 31 18:52
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAwOTEOct 31 18:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] Another Single-Game Humble Bundle Deal Launches .::. Size~: 16.5 KBOct 31 18:52
DaemonFCI wonder if this one needs MonoOct 31 18:52
XFaCEschestowitz: I could try writing an article on the Canadian situation, but first I need to authenicate my premise.Oct 31 18:53
XFaCEschestowitz: Which is basically, "Patents have not been strong source of concern in Canada as they have been in other countries.  The current threat to FLOSS is draconian copyright and wireless access legislation."Oct 31 18:54
XFaCEschestowitz: Since you have followed the patent situation far closer than I have, would you agree that the patent situation in Canada has not been as troublesome or a source of concern as I have theorized?Oct 31 18:55
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XFaCEbblOct 31 21:47
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schestowitzOn Wednesday I meet my mate Neil, who knows some fairly wealthy people who need some technical business done for them. Neil is not technical himself, but he has the networking needed to draw in clients (Joey and Mark are pretty much done projects). I have one guy, Josh, working for me as I tutor him a little and a few more affiliates in different countries, so maybe I can set things up independently and grow from there.Oct 31 22:11
schestowitz"Cokes gotten fat in the last 30 years... how appropriate." http://joindiaspora.com/posts/705323Oct 31 22:12
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DaemonFCfailOct 31 22:46
*DaemonFC is about ready to killOct 31 22:47
DaemonFCsomeone, somethingOct 31 22:47
DaemonFCbad dayOct 31 22:47
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XFaCEschestowitz: Hollyween is done for me.  YESOct 31 23:28
DaemonFCI don't need Halloween, there's *always* Walmartians at 3 AMOct 31 23:31
DaemonFCAlways....Oct 31 23:31
XFaCEand what do the Walmartians do at 3?Oct 31 23:32
XFaCELiterally shop at wal-mart?Oct 31 23:32
XFaCEDaemonFC: I don't get the context...Oct 31 23:35
schestowitzXFaCE: I'm working on Halloween :-(Oct 31 23:37
schestowitzBut I went us to clubs on Thurs. for itOct 31 23:37
schestowitzMonday is a bad day for this... people get back to work ahead of a busy weekOct 31 23:38
schestowitzThey don't go out at nightOct 31 23:38
XFaCEschestowitz: Err, please repeat third-last message?Oct 31 23:38
schestowitzWe went out last week cause my mate Greg is going back to AustralisOct 31 23:38
schestowitzHe found a similar job there which pays twice the wage he gets hereOct 31 23:38
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schestowitzIRC has no messagesOct 31 23:39
schestowitzYou mean you fell offline?Oct 31 23:39
schestowitzXFaCE: how's that site you were building coming along?Oct 31 23:39
XFaCEschestowitz: Constantly improvingOct 31 23:40
XFaCEschestowitz: You're talking about the job website, right?Oct 31 23:40
XFaCE*job's websiteOct 31 23:40
schestowitzDon't know... I thought it was a charityOct 31 23:41
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XFaCEschestowitz: You got my work messed up. :)Oct 31 23:43
XFaCEI worked at a summer camp for socially disadvantaged kids, and am continuing to work for a store refining their website.Oct 31 23:43
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DaemonFCXFaCE, It's when the trash are usually thereOct 31 23:53
DaemonFCfree entertainmentOct 31 23:54
XFaCElolOct 31 23:55
XFaCEDaemonFC: Here' some more free entertainment: http://youtu.be/N01VjCT5rUY?hd=1&t=28s :DOct 31 23:55
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Bill Maher - New Rules - Trip Or Treat 720p       - YouTube .::. Size~: 87.3 KBOct 31 23:55
DaemonFC"this is America, acid will be the healthiest thing they eat all day"Oct 31 23:59
DaemonFClolOct 31 23:59

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