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schestowitzhttp://www.deseretnews.com/article/705395481/WordPerfect-bloodied-and-battered-before-Novell-buyout-former-exec-testifies.html http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-16/novell-trial-against-microsoft-over-wordperfect-ends-in-mistrial.html http://www.dailytech.com/Hung+Jury+Ends+Microsoft+Novell+WordPerfect+Trial+/article23549.htm http://www.ksl.com/?nid=960&sid=18400711Dec 24 10:52
TechrightsBotTitle: WordPerfect 'bloodied and battered' before Novell buyout, former exec testifies | Deseret News .::. Size~: 72.8 KBDec 24 10:52
TechrightsBotTitle: Novell-Microsoft Trial Over WordPerfect Ends as Jurors Deadlock - Bloomberg .::. Size~: 143.93 KBDec 24 10:52
schestowitzcriminalsDec 24 10:52
TechrightsBotTitle: DailyTech - Hung Jury Ends Microsoft, Novell WordPerfect Trial .::. Size~: 140.41 KBDec 24 10:52
TechrightsBotTitle: WordPerfect exec. testifies about surviving Microsoft | ksl.com .::. Size~: 146.42 KBDec 24 10:52
schestowitzhttp://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/microsoft-novell-antitrust-case-continues/?cs=49155 http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/Kinect-Windows-8-Gates-Dominated-Microsofts-Week-125213/Dec 24 10:53
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft-Novell Antitrust Case Continues | Blogs | ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 76.47 KBDec 24 10:53
TechrightsBotTitle: Kinect, Windows 8, Gates Dominated Microsoft's Week - Desktops and Notebooks - News & Reviews  - eWeek.com .::. Size~: 116.02 KBDec 24 10:53
schestowitzhttp://www.canadianbusiness.com/article/59254--microsoft-takes-offense-in-1b-antitrust-trial http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/53100910-79/novell-microsoft-jury-software.html.cspDec 24 10:54
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft takes offense in $1B antitrust trial | CanadianBusiness.com .::. Size~: 116.58 KBDec 24 10:54
TechrightsBotTitle: Jury could soon decide $1B Novell-Microsoft case      | The Salt Lake Tribune .::. Size~: 123.59 KBDec 24 10:54
schestowitzWatch them spin the Novell thing against GoogleDec 24 10:55
schestowitzhttp://www.4-traders.com/MICROSOFT-CORPORATION-4835/news/MICROSOFT-CORPORATION-Eleven-for-11-%96-My-Favorite-Moments-of-2011-13932057/Dec 24 10:55
schestowitz"And I with Google as its top lawyer tried to explain why they were whining about us licensing Novell's patents, after we had specifically offered to have them join us in licensing those patents jointly, but they had turned us down. We've now licensed our IP to companies accounting for over 50% of all Android devices, including Samsung, HTC, and Acer, showing that licensing works. "Dec 24 10:55
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft Corporation : Eleven for ’11 – My Favorite Moments of 2011 | 4-Traders .::. Size~: 48.86 KBDec 24 10:55
schestowitzBSDec 24 10:55
schestowitzexotortion worksDec 24 10:55
schestowitzor "icensing works."Dec 24 10:55
schestowitzMore propagandaDec 24 10:55
schestowitzlicensing LOLDec 24 10:55
schestowitzLike the mafia didDec 24 10:55
schestowitzhttp://www.seattlepi.com/business/article/Company-wraps-up-1B-case-against-Microsoft-2399418.php http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGZx48YtHrsPY5eeBHDaoT-AXOV7g&url=http://news.businessweek.com/article.asp?documentKey%3D1376-LW5E616VDKIX01-290NM3VU1SDSU3JG5IKLE6IFO2 http://www.chron.com/news/article/Novell-s-case-against-Microsoft-goes-to-jury-2402002.phpDec 24 10:56
schestowitzLike the mafia didhttp://www.winnipegfreepress.com/business/breakingnews/federal-jury-to-get-utah-companys-1-billion-antitrust-case-against-microsoft-135575678.htmlDec 24 10:56
TechrightsBotTitle: Utah company wraps up $1B case against Microsoft - seattlepi.com .::. Size~: 42.12 KBDec 24 10:56
TechrightsBotTitle: Novell Makes Closing Arguments at Microsoft Antitrust Trial - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 46.25 KBDec 24 10:56
TechrightsBotTitle: Jurors deadlock in $1B lawsuit against Microsoft - Houston Chronicle .::. Size~: 71 KBDec 24 10:56
TechrightsBotTitle: Federal jury to get Utah company's $1 billion antitrust case against Microsoft - Winnipeg Free Press .::. Size~: 69.33 KBDec 24 10:56
oiaohmschestowitz: you really need to read sun microsystem history.Dec 24 10:56
schestowitzThey whitewash it with PR f**wit GateDec 24 10:57
schestowitzLike it's about himDec 24 10:57
schestowitzhttp://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/53109546-79/novell-decision-gates-software.html.csp http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/53109546-79/novell-decision-gates-windows.html.cspDec 24 10:57
TechrightsBotTitle: Jury deliberates in  Novell-Microsoft trial      | The Salt Lake Tribune .::. Size~: 126.45 KBDec 24 10:57
TechrightsBotTitle: Jury deliberates in  Novell-Microsoft trial      | The Salt Lake Tribune .::. Size~: 126.5 KBDec 24 10:57
oiaohmschestowitz: in the end sun microsystems was doing the same as MS is now to other hardwrae companies.Dec 24 10:57
schestowitznot the opposite?Dec 24 10:57
schestowitzlike IBM versus Sun?Dec 24 10:57
oiaohmWhen you cannot compete sue.Dec 24 10:57
schestowitz!google forbs ibm sun patebntsDec 24 10:57
TechrightsBotNo Google resultsDec 24 10:57
schestowitz!google forbes ibm sun patentsDec 24 10:57
TechrightsBot[1] - Patently Absurd - Forbes.com | http://www.forbes.com/asap/2002/0624/044.htmlDec 24 10:57
TechrightsBot[2] - Microsoft's Android Shakedown - Forbes | http://www.forbes.com/sites/timothylee/2011/07/07/microsofts-android-shakedown/Dec 24 10:57
TechrightsBot[3] - Microsoft's Android Shakedown: IBM Did It First | http://www.osnews.com/story/24987/Microsoft_s_Android_Shakedown_IBM_Did_It_FirstDec 24 10:57
TechrightsBot[4] - Why IBM Is the Most Innovative Company in IT - IT Infrastructure ... | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/Why-IBM-is-the-Most-Innovative-Company-in-IT-439547/Dec 24 10:57
schestowitzsee [1]Dec 24 10:57
schestowitzhttp://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/novells-case-microsoft-jury-15152620 http://www.salon.com/2011/12/15/jury_deliberates_in_1b_lawsuit_against_microsoft/ http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2133053/jury-deliberates-novell-microsoft-lawsuitDec 24 10:58
TechrightsBotTitle: Jury Deliberates in $1B Lawsuit Against Microsoft - ABC News .::. Size~: 69.87 KBDec 24 10:58
TechrightsBotTitle: Jury Deliberates In $1B Lawsuit Against Microsoft -   From the Wires - Salon.com .::. Size~: 148.46 KBDec 24 10:58
oiaohmYep when IBM was in money trouble they did the patent shakedown as well.Dec 24 10:58
TechrightsBotTitle: Jury deliberates on Novell v. Microsoft lawsuit - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 66.66 KBDec 24 10:58
oiaohmBasically companies doing patent shake downs are in trouble.Dec 24 10:58
oiaohmIt working out where.Dec 24 10:59
schestowitzoiaohm: http://asia.cnet.com/crave/google-set-to-overtake-microsoft-in-value-facebook-is-next-62212547.htmDec 24 10:59
TechrightsBotTitle: Google set to overtake Microsoft in value; Facebook is next - Crave - CNET Asia .::. Size~: 56.55 KBDec 24 10:59
schestowitzinterestingDec 24 10:59
schestowitzand MS attacks Google with patentsDec 24 10:59
schestowitzGoogle went into the cash cow zoneDec 24 10:59
schestowitzApps and Android vs Office and WIndowsDec 24 10:59
schestowitzNow we need to keep an eye on Apple's patent shakedown tooDec 24 11:00
oiaohmNot just there.Dec 24 11:00
oiaohmGoogle funds sections of libreoffice development and openoffice development before it.Dec 24 11:00
oiaohmGoogle funds projects it thinks can hurt MS.Dec 24 11:00
schestowitzhttp://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/53122934-79/microsoft-novell-jury-antitrust.html.csp http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNFvvr_qSgC2cHgB0Np7EsTxm-tp7g&url=http://www.salon.com/2011/12/16/jury_deadlocked_in_1b_microsoft_suit/Dec 24 11:00
TechrightsBotTitle: Novell-Microsoft jury begins third day of deliberations      | The Salt Lake Tribune .::. Size~: 118.51 KBDec 24 11:00
schestowitzThe courts don't workDec 24 11:00
schestowitzhttp://www.deseretnews.com/article/705395976/Lone-holdout-deadlocks-jury-in-2-month-Novell-Microsoft-trial.html http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_19565014Dec 24 11:01
TechrightsBotTitle: Jury Deadlocked In $1B Microsoft Suit -   From the Wires - Salon.com .::. Size~: 144.26 KBDec 24 11:01
TechrightsBotTitle: Lone holdout deadlocks jury in 2-month Novell-Microsoft trial | Deseret News .::. Size~: 76.19 KBDec 24 11:01
TechrightsBotTitle: Judge dismisses Novell's $1 billion lawsuit against Microsoft - ContraCostaTimes.com .::. Size~: 69.56 KBDec 24 11:01
schestowitzoiaohm: yes, it funded thoseDec 24 11:01
schestowitzhttp://www.infoworld.com/d/the-industry-standard/microsoft-novell-antitrust-case-ends-in-hung-jury-182019 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/16/microsoft-novell-lawsuit-jurors-deadlocked_n_1155006.htmlDec 24 11:01
TechrightsBotTitle: Update: Microsoft-Novell antitrust case ends in hung jury | The Industry Standard - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 88.46 KBDec 24 11:01
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft-Novell Lawsuit: Jurors Deadlocked In $1 Billion Antitrust Lawsuit Against Microsoft .::. Size~: 331.46 KBDec 24 11:01
oiaohmschestowitz: it also chipped funding and support into wine when it required it.Dec 24 11:01
oiaohmBasically google is highly friendly if you are a threat to MSDec 24 11:02
schestowitzThey keep personifying the case with that criminal GatesDec 24 11:02
schestowitzhttp://www.sacbee.com/2011/12/16/4127499/jury-says-verdict-close-in-1b.html http://www.freep.com/article/20111217/NEWS09/112170333/Novell-s-Microsoft-case-is-dismissedDec 24 11:02
TechrightsBotTitle: Jurors deadlock in $1B lawsuit against Microsoft - Sacramento Business, Housing Market News | Sacramento Bee .::. Size~: 90.26 KBDec 24 11:02
oiaohmMS threated to kill MSDec 24 11:02
TechrightsBotTitle: Novell's Microsoft case is dismissed | Detroit Free Press | freep.com .::. Size~: 161.29 KBDec 24 11:02
oiaohmOppsDec 24 11:02
schestowitzbecause he whitewashed himself with PR campaignsDec 24 11:02
oiaohmMS threated to kill GoogleDec 24 11:02
oiaohmAnd google has taken that serousally.Dec 24 11:02
schestowitzyeahDec 24 11:02
schestowitzright, exactlyDec 24 11:02
oiaohmSo now google will do anything to destroy MSDec 24 11:02
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iOp8EFEUE-Qau1ZpT9Qi-ZS_FkEg?docId=438ad369da2045cab0ee0297c2f3cd00 http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9RLTH2G0.htmDec 24 11:02
TechrightsBotTitle: The Associated Press: Jurors deadlock in $1B lawsuit against Microsoft .::. Size~: 35.54 KBDec 24 11:02
TechrightsBotTitle: Jury hangs in $1B Microsoft lawsuit - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 45.42 KBDec 24 11:02
schestowitzthis case is not overDec 24 11:02
oiaohmThis is why I was not shocked to see mozilla getting 1 billion dollars from google.Dec 24 11:03
schestowitzPJ says there is no decision yetDec 24 11:03
schestowitzhttp://www.marketwatch.com/story/novell-microsoft-jury-fails-to-reach-verdict-2011-12-17Dec 24 11:03
schestowitzhttp://reseller.co.nz/reseller.nsf/inews/microsoft-novell-antitrust-case-ends-in-hung-juryDec 24 11:03
TechrightsBotTitle: Novell-Microsoft jury fails to reach verdict - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 94.52 KBDec 24 11:03
schestowitzno final oneDec 24 11:03
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft-Novell antitrust case ends in hung jury | Reseller News New Zealand .::. Size~: 20.24 KBDec 24 11:03
schestowitzand no settlement in the makingDec 24 11:03
schestowitzoiaohm: 300 million?Dec 24 11:03
schestowitzFor the latest, I heardDec 24 11:03
schestowitzmaybe more in aggregate over the yearsDec 24 11:03
oiaohm300 million a year.Dec 24 11:03
oiaohmFor at least 3 years.Dec 24 11:03
schestowitzhttp://reseller.co.nz/reseller.nsf/inews/microsoft-novell-antitrust-case-ends-in-hung-jury http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10774105Dec 24 11:04
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft-Novell antitrust case ends in hung jury | Reseller News New Zealand .::. Size~: 20.24 KBDec 24 11:04
TechrightsBotTitle: Giant lawsuit against Microsoft dismissed - Technology - NZ Herald News .::. Size~: 88.6 KBDec 24 11:04
oiaohmIt is a full total of 1 billion schestowitzDec 24 11:04
schestowitzThat's crazyDec 24 11:04
schestowitzfor payroll/wages they only need about 3 million a year, I reckonDec 24 11:04
schestowitzwhere does the rest of the cash go?Dec 24 11:04
oiaohmMostly that mozilla is wanting to get into a location it don't have to beg.Dec 24 11:05
oiaohmIe enough money in investment to operate off interest.Dec 24 11:05
schestowitzhttp://www.imassera.com/jury-deadlocked-in-microsoft-lawsuit/2415504/ http://articles.boston.com/2011-12-19/business/30534969_1_novell-wordperfect-microsoft-engineers http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=1791455 http://newssimplified.com/novells-lawsuit-against-microsoft-dismissed/3658/Dec 24 11:05
TechrightsBotTitle: Jury Deadlocked In Microsoft Lawsuit  |  Imassera News .::. Size~: 26.05 KBDec 24 11:05
TechrightsBotEmpty reply from server ( http://articles.boston.com/2011-12-19/business/30534969_1_novell-wordperfect-microsoft-engineers )Dec 24 11:05
TechrightsBotTitle: Jurors deadlock in $1b lawsuit against Microsoft - Taiwan News Online .::. Size~: 70.66 KBDec 24 11:05
TechrightsBotTitle: Novell’s lawsuit against Microsoft dismissed .::. Size~: 22.21 KBDec 24 11:05
schestowitzThere is another trial comingDec 24 11:05
schestowitzhttp://www.itproportal.com/2011/12/19/novell-looking-new-jury-lawsuit-against-microsoft/Dec 24 11:05
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/12/19/novell_microsoft_wordperfect_case_deadlock/Dec 24 11:05
TechrightsBotTitle: Novell Looking at New Jury in Lawsuit against Microsoft | ITProPortal.com .::. Size~: 37.55 KBDec 24 11:05
TechrightsBotTitle: Zombie Microsoft antitrust case shuffles to retrial • The Register .::. Size~: 26.81 KBDec 24 11:05
schestowitzhttp://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/blog/morning_call/2011/12/microsoft-could-face-new-antitrust-trial.html http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/19/jurors-in-1-billion-microsoft-antitrust-suit-fail-to-reach-verdict/Dec 24 11:06
schestowitzGroklaw covers this wellDec 24 11:06
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft could face new antitrust trial - Louisville - Business First .::. Size~: 82.55 KBDec 24 11:06
TechrightsBotTitle: Jurors in $1 billion Microsoft antitrust suit fail to reach verdict .::. Size~: 76.8 KBDec 24 11:06
schestowitzFor me, the case is not something I profess to know too much aboutDec 24 11:06
schestowitz"A lone juror who prevented Novell winning shedloads of dosh in a long running anti-trust case against Microsoft is content that he made the right decision."Dec 24 11:06
schestowitzhttp://news.techeye.net/software/lone-juror-forced-retrial-in-novell-microsoft-antitrust-caseDec 24 11:06
oiaohmFunny part is the juror could not decide on punishment level.Dec 24 11:06
TechrightsBotTitle: Lone juror forced retrial in Novell Microsoft antitrust case - Word NotPerfect | TechEye .::. Size~: 21.26 KBDec 24 11:06
oiaohmBasically they should have allowed found guilty but punishment left open.Dec 24 11:07
schestowitzhttp://mbtmag.com/Content.aspx?id=3987 http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/12/novell-microsoft_lawsuit_ends.php http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Enterprise-Applications/Microsoft-Novell-Cases-Hung-Jury-Means-Continuing-Legal-Action-330799/Dec 24 11:07
TechrightsBotTitle: One Juror's Decision Denies Novell $1.2B Microsoft Settlement | Manufacturing Business Technology .::. Size~: 41.01 KBDec 24 11:07
TechrightsBotTitle: Novell-Microsoft Lawsuit Ends In Mistrial--Bill Gates Lives to Testify Another Day - Seattle News - The Daily Weekly .::. Size~: 124.84 KBDec 24 11:07
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft, Novell Case's Hung Jury Means Continuing Legal Action - Enterprise Applications - News & Reviews  - eWeek.com .::. Size~: 112.11 KBDec 24 11:07
schestowitz"Novell's antitrust case against Microsoft has resulted in a hung jury, all but guaranteeing that the long-running battle will continue at least into the near future."Dec 24 11:07
oiaohmAnd the funny part was the juror though 1.2B was light.Dec 24 11:07
schestowitzWatch them try to use Gates to shitewash MS rather than the oppositeDec 24 11:08
schestowitzhttp://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/ancient-microsoft-novell-case-ends-in-hung-jury/Dec 24 11:08
TechrightsBotTitle: Ancient Microsoft-Novell case ends in hung jury .::. Size~: 66.99 KBDec 24 11:08
schestowitzhttp://www.techflash.com/seattle/2011/12/microsoft-was-one-juror-away-from-losing.htmlDec 24 11:08
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft was a lone juror away from losing $1B antitrust case .::. Size~: 51.42 KBDec 24 11:08
schestowitzBecause he become a PR stuntsmanDec 24 11:08
oiaohmI really think it stupid.Dec 24 11:08
schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/microsoft-novell-dismissal-2011-12 http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/122011-microsoft-to-ask-for-dismissal-254245.html?hpg1=bnDec 24 11:08
oiaohmMS tried to get the case thrown outDec 24 11:08
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft, Novell Lawsuit Ends With Sopranos-Style Mistrial | WebProNews .::. Size~: 61.49 KBDec 24 11:08
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft to ask for dismissal of Novell lawsuit .::. Size~: 118.13 KBDec 24 11:08
schestowitzyesDec 24 11:08
schestowitzit still triesDec 24 11:08
schestowitzsee Groklaw's postDec 24 11:08
oiaohmWhen 12 juror were ruling against them.Dec 24 11:08
oiaohmYepDec 24 11:08
oiaohmMS is desperateDec 24 11:09
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/community/node/79437Dec 24 11:09
TechrightsBotTitle: Buzzblog: Even hold-out juror believed Microsoft acted unfairly .::. Size~: 90.11 KBDec 24 11:09
oiaohmBecause if the next juror goes like the 12 didDec 24 11:09
schestowitz>>>>>> http://vista.blorge.com/2011/12/20/novell-antitrust-case-against-microsoft-ends-with-a-one-juror-deadlock/Dec 24 11:09
TechrightsBotTitle: Novell antitrust case against Microsoft ends with a one juror deadlock - WINDOWS.BLORGE .::. Size~: 46.46 KBDec 24 11:09
oiaohmO boy.Dec 24 11:09
schestowitzyeah, they will get publishedDec 24 11:09
schestowitzno settlementDec 24 11:09
schestowitzcontrary to some reportsDec 24 11:09
schestowitzso says PJ anywayDec 24 11:09
schestowitzshe followed this for agesDec 24 11:09
oiaohmNo the 12 was saying percentage of MS valueDec 24 11:09
schestowitzshe is also a former WP userDec 24 11:09
oiaohmTransfered to NovellDec 24 11:09
oiaohmNot a small percentage either.Dec 24 11:09
oiaohmOk smallishDec 24 11:10
schestowitzhttp://www.infopackets.com/news/business/microsoft/2011/20111221_jury_hung_in_1b_microsoft_novell_antitrust_case.htmhttp://www.canadianbusiness.com/article/62929--microsoft-says-utah-jury-wouldn-t-award-damages Dec 24 11:10
TechrightsBotTitle: Jury Hung in  Microsoft-Novell Antitrust Case / Infopackets.com .::. Size~: 26.49 KBDec 24 11:10
schestowitzmy neighbour lance is coming over later..Dec 24 11:16
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schestowitzhttp://gigaom.com/2011/12/12/xamarin-mono/?utm_source=webworkerdaily&utm_medium=specialtopicsDec 24 19:57
TechrightsBotTitle: How Xamarin gave Mono a life after Novell — Tech News and Analysis .::. Size~: 88.91 KBDec 24 19:57
schestowitz"He didn’t go looking for employment at Google. At the time, he was chief executive at Novell." Jobs outlook is dim, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t opportunityDec 24 20:53
schestowitzhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/business/capitalbusiness/2011/12/08/gIQAxItH3O_story.htmlDec 24 20:53
TechrightsBotTitle: - The Washington Post .::. Size~: 72.87 KBDec 24 20:53
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