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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/NavinChauhan/status/151777606310694912?iid=am-114009196113250215761804742&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208Dec 28 05:25
TechrightsSocial@NavinChauhan: @schestowitz I was just using a kindle yesterday .... happy holidays ...Dec 28 05:25
schestowitzqu1j0t3: dont' worry, she has conditions... if I'm not happy, she's outDec 28 05:26
schestowitzqu1j0t3: re http://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/151831906760142848?iid=am-71153098513250345223541434&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208Dec 28 05:26
TechrightsSocial@qu1j0t3: #TIL "$51 billion of [#Microsoft's] cash assets are kept offshore, to avoid taxes" http://t.co/YhsIEKdo #OWS cc @schestowitzDec 28 05:26
TechrightsSocial@: Dec 28 05:26
schestowitzYes, we suspected thatDec 28 05:26
schestowitzThey even borrow money in the USDec 28 05:26
schestowitzJust to avoid keeping money thereDec 28 05:27
schestowitz"Here it is, FY12Q1 already: Microsoft Reports Record First-Quarter Results $17.37 billion of revenue driven by solid business and consumer demand.. Wow, is that the longest, braggy release title we've ever had? Read it and you'll also discover that Bing has an organic line. In the Q&A session, Microsoft Management Discusses Q1 2012 Results - Earnings Call Transcript - Seeking Alpha, there was a lot of Qs about Skype and - Dec 28 05:27
schestowitznews to me - we discover that $51 billion of our cash assets are kept offshore, to avoid taxes. Viva la 1%! (I kid)."Dec 28 05:27
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/seiflotfy/status/151597765003190272Dec 28 05:28
TechrightsSocial@seiflotfy: I can't believe this but I actually agree with this... http://t.co/F5BllUb3 #BoycottAppleDec 28 05:28
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/SteveClement/statuses/151814573572362240Dec 28 05:28
TechrightsSocial@SteveClement: Should We Organise an Apple Boycott? via (and by) @schestowitz http://t.co/peuG2cprDec 28 05:28
TechrightsSocial@: Dec 28 05:28
schestowitz500 comments in /.Dec 28 05:28
schestowitzI haven't even checked how many people in various forums viewed it, but it sure did harm to AppleDec 28 05:29
schestowitz[23:23] <tessier> We should do a yum update on techrights. It is two versions behind now. Followed by a reboot.Dec 28 07:40
schestowitz[04:55] <schestowitz> sureDec 28 07:40
schestowitz[07:38] <tessier> I've done the yum update. Is now a good time to do a quick reboot?Dec 28 07:40
schestowitz[07:38] <schestowitz> SureDec 28 07:40
schestowitz[07:38] <schestowitz> maybe laterDec 28 07:40
schestowitz[07:39] <schestowitz> because now there's more traffic, maybe Sunday night is best?Dec 28 07:40
schestowitzDec 28 07:40
schestowitz[07:39] <tessier> Ok, Sunday night is fine.Dec 28 07:40
schestowitz[07:39] <tessier> If it is getting lots of traffic now it isn't a good time.Dec 28 07:40
schestowitz[07:40] <schestowitz> and I am ding a 6-part series on software patents in EuropeDec 28 07:40
schestowitz[07:40] <schestowitz> :-)Dec 28 07:40
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/87588277Dec 28 08:00
schestowitzGoodDec 28 08:00
TechrightsSocial@Carlo Piana (carlopiana)'s status on Monday, 26-Dec-11 10:02:44 UTC - MuBlog: I'm already on an Apple's boycott. ;-)Dec 28 08:00
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/87491816Dec 28 08:00
TechrightsSocial@George Hostler (ghostler)'s status on Saturday, 24-Dec-11 06:07:06 UTC - Identi.ca: @Schestowitz This stinks, it was #Microsoft that anticompetitively prevented #WordPerfect from prospering on PCs http://ur1.ca/6xhlxDec 28 08:00
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/87428984Dec 28 08:00
TechrightsSocial@Jose R Rodriguez (metztli)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-11 13:11:16 UTC - Identi.ca: ♺ @schestowitz #NoDaddy lets you pledge to boycott @GoDaddy for its stance on #SOPA http://tnw.co/uDcFfZ F #GoDaddy. I dumped'em last yearDec 28 08:00
TechrightsSocial-> Title: NoDaddy Wants Your Pledge Against Go Daddy .::. Size~: 94.75 KBDec 28 08:00
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/nilsgeylen/status/150325875886395393Dec 28 08:02
TechrightsSocial@nilsgeylen: @schestowitz Wanted to reshare the post but at second look it's a bit weak. Enemy of your internet freedom yes, but why exactly. Needs work.Dec 28 08:02
schestowitzhttp://www.goldmansachs666.com/2011/12/house-of-rothschild.htmlDec 28 08:44
TechrightsSocialTitle: Goldman Sachs Information, Comments, Opinions and Facts: The House of Rothschild .::. Size~: 238.07 KBDec 28 08:44
schestowitz"http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/27/hacker-builds-allegedly-pointless-data-network-out-of-lego-train/"Dec 28 08:44
TechrightsSocialTitle: Engadget .::. Size~: 217.45 KBDec 28 08:44
schestowitz" Eustace Mullins by all accounts was a very controversial figure and author.  While his religious and political beliefs could be questioned - he was called anti-semetic - this particular work of his was well researched, footnoted and referenced in the bibliography.  He spent years researching this topic.  This book was burned publically in Germany in 1955 and also was banned in the United States.  It exists through a web Dec 28 08:44
schestowitzsite that has published it in their effort to preserve it."Dec 28 08:44
schestowitzhttp://www.thedelphicfuture.org/2011/11/greek-cds-tragedy.html http://www.thedelphicfuture.org/2011/11/comparing-cdo-and-cds-like-solutions-to.htmlDec 28 09:21
TechrightsSocialTitle: Maison Fleury: The Greek CDS tragedy .::. Size~: 58.37 KBDec 28 09:21
TechrightsSocialTitle: Maison Fleury: Comparing CDO and CDS-like solutions to EFSF leveraging .::. Size~: 53.97 KBDec 28 09:21
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/koolhead17/status/151974197416042497?iid=am-130280753913250684470594561&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208Dec 28 11:00
TechrightsSocial@koolhead17: @schestowitz awesome!! :DDec 28 11:00
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/87707356Dec 28 11:00
TechrightsSocial@agentsmith's status on Wednesday, 28-Dec-11 10:40:20 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Ok, thanks, seems normal now.Dec 28 11:00
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qu1j0t3schestowitz: very telling "a really bad horror movie" -- which is where this shit originates really -- http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1107723--woman-recalls-vacation-slashing-attack-by-husband-as-a-really-bad-horror-movie?bn=1Dec 28 17:54
TechrightsSocialTitle: Toronto News: Woman recalls vacation slashing attack by husband as ‘a really bad horror movie’ - thestar.com .::. Size~: 107.67 KBDec 28 17:54
qu1j0t3schestowitz: thanks Hollywood for normalising violence Dec 28 17:54
MinceRviolence is normal :>Dec 28 17:56
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qu1j0t3errrrrDec 28 18:00
qu1j0t3if you wantDec 28 18:00
qu1j0t3there's a place you'll feel quite at home, if you believe that :)Dec 28 18:00
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MinceRi don't feel at home in it, but not liking it doesn't make it go awayDec 28 18:08
qu1j0t3eh?Dec 28 18:14
qu1j0t3what's that got to do with what I said?Dec 28 18:15
qu1j0t31) i didn't say i didn't like itDec 28 18:15
qu1j0t3ripping out those things which contribute to the problem can help it go awayDec 28 18:15
qu1j0t3it's an artificial, manufactured problemDec 28 18:15
MinceRi think the apperance of violence in media and art is one of the things that contribute the least to itDec 28 18:16
qu1j0t3...like this fucking css i'm working onDec 28 18:16
qu1j0t3hollywood isn't art.Dec 28 18:16
MinceRsticking your head in the sand doesn't make problems go awayDec 28 18:16
qu1j0t3and violence in media is 24/7Dec 28 18:16
qu1j0t3sticking my head in the sand?Dec 28 18:16
qu1j0t3how am I doing that? I'm sticking my head OUT by fingering Hollywood as a manufacturer of social problems.Dec 28 18:16
qu1j0t3note: I am not blaming Cinema. I'm talking about Hollywood. a machine made for a purpose.Dec 28 18:17
qu1j0t3and the rest of the media is the sameDec 28 18:17
qu1j0t3and if you don't see the social effects, well, maybe you don't live in North America :)Dec 28 18:18
qu1j0t3which is a fuckin disasterDec 28 18:18
qu1j0t3a manufactured disasterDec 28 18:18
MinceRHollywood does not manufacture these problemsDec 28 18:20
MinceRnext you're going to tell me that news agencies manufacture wars and crimeDec 28 18:21
abeNd-orgso you are saying just hollywood is the problem?Dec 28 18:54
abeNd-orgbollywood doesnt make violent movies? japanese/korean movie companies only make happy movies?Dec 28 18:54
MinceRor perhaps they're hip enough to be excused for violence in their works :>Dec 28 18:55
abeNd-orgperhaps soDec 28 18:56
abeNd-orgHollywood is pretty much just ripping off everything Japanese these days, especially with horror moviesDec 28 18:56
MinceRno, they're doing other things as well, for example remaking their older moviesDec 28 18:57
MinceRand making movie adaptations of comic booksDec 28 18:57
abeNd-organd of course the grimm fairytales are just oh so happyDec 28 18:57
abeNd-orgmincer i figure they should run completely out of books/comic books/remakes by summer 2014, should be interesting to see what they try to do then, perhaps they will pull a lucasfilms & just rerelease the same movie with updated graphicsDec 28 18:58
MinceR:)Dec 28 18:58
MinceRwell, novels and comics continue being writtenDec 28 18:58
MinceRand there's a lot of material on the web as wellDec 28 18:58
abeNd-orgyes, they could make a whole movie in second life about furriesDec 28 18:59
MinceRlolDec 28 18:59
abeNd-orgi went there once, only because a friend had built a really cool snmp to secondlife gateway, you could "see" his entire network....was actually pretty neatDec 28 19:00
MinceR:)Dec 28 19:00
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abeNd-orgperhaps they will continue the video game movies, those have gone over so greatDec 28 19:01
MinceRat least so long as not Uwe Boll is making them :>Dec 28 19:01
abeNd-orgi can see the next one "Harvest Moon, row of hoes"Dec 28 19:01
abeNd-orgi should trademark that one before uweboll or micheal bay (the destroyer of childhoods) gets ahold of it...Dec 28 19:02
MinceR:DDec 28 19:02
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schestowitz[17:54] <qu1j0t3> schestowitz: thanks Hollywood for normalising violence Dec 28 19:43
schestowitzIt's needed for the militaryDec 28 19:43
schestowitztoy guns for the children tooDec 28 19:43
schestowitzqu1j0t3: http://news.techeye.net/software/techrights-group-calls-for-apple-boycottDec 28 19:43
TechrightsSocialTitle: Techrights group calls for Apple boycott - Android lawsuits show something's off | TechEye .::. Size~: 21.66 KBDec 28 19:43
qu1j0t3schestowitz: it's also needed to "justify" militarising police. Same way the FBI manufactures fake terrorists to keep the fear level high.Dec 28 19:55
schestowitzI heard soDec 28 20:17
qu1j0t3heard? we see the evidence all around us :)Dec 28 20:29
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1094916Dec 28 20:59
TechrightsSocial@: Dec 28 20:59
schestowitz"revisa la historia de la computación, y te darás cuenta de las empresas y personas que más han infuido en el desarrollo y la forma de los dispositivos y programas que actualmente usamos y sin duda encontrarás varias menciones de apple en las últimas décadas... tratar de limitar algo acaso no atenta contra libertad..."Dec 28 20:59
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qu1j0t3schestowitz: over 12,000 gun homicides per year in USA.Dec 28 22:23
abeNd-org1so either lets arm & train everyone, or disarm everyone (make owning a firearm a 1 time final offense, otherwise no one will care, they wont then either but *shrug*)Dec 28 22:26
qu1j0t3abeNd-org1: or, just ask all the countries on the long tail of this chart what they do  (or don't do): http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearmsDec 28 22:31
TechrightsSocialTitle: Murders with firearms statistics - countries compared - NationMaster .::. Size~: 182.32 KBDec 28 22:31
qu1j0t3abeNd-org1: that's quite a disparity wouldn't you say.Dec 28 22:31
MinceRyou can't disarm everyoneDec 28 22:31
MinceRso the right choice is obviousDec 28 22:31
qu1j0t3why don't we start with what all the countries with close-to-zero rates do or don't do.Dec 28 22:32
qu1j0t3there Might Be A Clue thereDec 28 22:32
MinceRi'm sure this is the only factor to that, yesDec 28 22:32
qu1j0t3it sure would be an interesting starting point.Dec 28 22:32
qu1j0t3there are a lot of countries with a close to zero rate.Dec 28 22:32
qu1j0t3what's their secret?Dec 28 22:33
MinceRthat page still hasn't loadedDec 28 22:36
MinceRfinally it didDec 28 22:36
MinceRso, do you prefer murders with knives, bludgeons, poison and bare hands?Dec 28 22:37
MinceRand i guess i don't need to mention that comparing countries by number of murders is kind of stupidDec 28 22:39
MinceRsince the population varies quite widelyDec 28 22:39
qu1j0t3firearmsDec 28 22:40
qu1j0t3and it's simple to adjust for populationDec 28 22:40
qu1j0t3you still end up with a massive disparityDec 28 22:41
MinceRwhy did you not link to a chart which is already adjusted, then?Dec 28 22:41
qu1j0t3here's the per capita list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rateDec 28 22:41
TechrightsSocialTitle: List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 70 KBDec 28 22:41
MinceRthat's death, not just murderDec 28 22:42
qu1j0t3nopeDec 28 22:43
qu1j0t3the column 'homicides' Dec 28 22:43
qu1j0t3what on earth could account for japan at 0.02?Dec 28 22:44
MinceRdifferent culture, mostlyDec 28 22:44
qu1j0t3are they not human?Dec 28 22:44
qu1j0t3culture...Dec 28 22:44
qu1j0t3ohDec 28 22:44
qu1j0t3weird! I was wondering if it might be CULTURAL.Dec 28 22:44
qu1j0t3hm, i wonder what reinforces culture...Dec 28 22:44
qu1j0t3what do people consume that's cultural that might play into this?Dec 28 22:45
*qu1j0t3 scratches headDec 28 22:45
MinceRwell, there's this magical thing that people watch and immediately try to re-enactDec 28 22:45
MinceRthey only make it in HollywoodDec 28 22:45
qu1j0t3*something* is responsible for the difference.Dec 28 22:46
qu1j0t3i wonder what.Dec 28 22:46
qu1j0t3is it cultural or is it not cultural?Dec 28 22:46
*qu1j0t3 scratches head some moreDec 28 22:46
qu1j0t3and germans. they aren't shooting each other. how can this be???Dec 28 22:46
abeNd-org1yes, nothing about japan's media is violent at allDec 28 22:48
MinceRyesDec 28 22:48
MinceRthere's a lot of violence and blood in anime and japanese movies, but it's differentDec 28 22:49
abeNd-org1they are too busy working themselves to death, then getting drunk & molesting schoolgirls on the subwayDec 28 22:49
MinceRbecause it isn't made in that magical place called HollywoodDec 28 22:49
abeNd-org1and in most of the anime you can never tell how old anyone is, unless they are *really* oldDec 28 22:52
MinceRi guess qu1j0t3 hasn't seen Battle Royale yet :)Dec 28 22:55
schestowitzhttp://historyscoper-sci-tech-blog.blogspot.com/2011/12/techrights-recommends-apple-boycott.htmlDec 28 23:16
TechrightsSocialTitle: The Historyscoper's Science & Technology News Blog: Techrights Recommends An Apple Boycott .::. Size~: 217.91 KBDec 28 23:16
schestowitz[22:44] <qu1j0t3> weird! I was wondering if it might be CULTURAL.Dec 28 23:17
schestowitzI hear a lot about suicides in JapanDec 28 23:17
MinceRi think they prefer melee weapons for thatDec 28 23:17
schestowitzmeh leeDec 28 23:25
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1105154 "Camouflage FTW!!"Dec 28 23:26
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