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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I suppose it is a little early to ask how you are settling in. :-)Dec 02 00:00
XFaCEschestowitz: So is there any individual EU members that would reject this new patent BS?Dec 02 00:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] $12m from Gates Foundation to Pittsburgh schools goes to admins/consultants 02 00:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Turns Out the ‘Government Sachs’ Conspiracy Theorists Were Right All Along - #govsachs #crooks #wsboys 02 00:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Consultants eat up Pittsburgh schools' gift - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review .::. Size~: 46.43 KBDec 02 00:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Turns Out the ‘Government Sachs’ Conspiracy Theorists Were Right All Along   : .::. Size~: 51.44 KBDec 02 00:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] SOPA on the ropes? Bipartisan alternative to 'Net censorship emerges 02 00:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #AlQaeda Terrorists Airlifted From Libya to Aid Syrian Opposition - #nato #stateterrorism #syria 02 00:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Dutch copyright group accused of pirating anti-piracy anthem, group's boss seeks finders' fee 02 00:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Capitalists game the system with their bought politicians then say only capitalism can make money.Dec 02 00:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: SOPA on the ropes? Bipartisan alternative to 'Net censorship emerges .::. Size~: 35.43 KBDec 02 00:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New Reports Antagonise Patents Madness in Europe #swpatsDec 02 00:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Occupy Boston: defiant protest sets down roots 02 00:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Why the study of evolution matters 02 00:29
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schestowitzhm... didn't finish all my postsDec 02 02:05
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msb__I can't connect to identi.caDec 02 02:18
sebsebsebschestowitz: Still here?Dec 02 02:20
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schestowitzsebsebseb: yeahDec 02 02:24
sebsebsebschestowitz: I am quite happy right now :DDec 02 02:24
schestowitztell me mo'Dec 02 02:24
sebsebsebschestowitz: oh was just using Pidgin for voice again, and recording in audacity as well, and sounds good both of us :)Dec 02 02:25
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sebsebsebunlike when I did stuff like that, but with Google Talk in WindowsDec 02 02:25
sebsebsebthen I sounded ok, but they useauly didn't sound that goodDec 02 02:25
sebsebsebschestowitz: as for Skype shame it's not in Magei's reposDec 02 02:25
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schestowitz' 02 02:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: New WikiLeaks 'spy files' show global surveillance industry - Yahoo! News .::. Size~: 330.93 KBDec 02 02:47
schestowitzthe US got skype nowDec 02 02:48
schestowitzanother one for the spynetDec 02 02:48
schestowitzand they have cellphones and people's voice/text on that tooDec 02 02:48
schestowitzpeople around here don't seem to mind..Dec 02 02:48
schestowitzcisco has jabberDec 02 02:48
schestowitzand cisco helps spying and censorship in ChinaDec 02 02:48
schestowitz> 02 02:49
schestowitz> Dec 02 02:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: So, there's a rootkit hidden in millions of cellphones | ZDNet .::. Size~: 147.44 KBDec 02 02:49
schestowitz> Search in Google such words:Dec 02 02:49
schestowitz> BGSA uploadDec 02 02:49
prurigroschestowitz: I thought jabber was closer to google than cisco?Dec 02 02:49
schestowitz!google cisco jabberDec 02 02:51
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Cisco Jabber Transforms Workplace Communications - Cisco ... | 02 02:51
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Cisco Jabber [Voice and Unified Communications] - Cisco Systems | 02 02:51
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Jabber Technology - Cisco Systems | 02 02:51
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Cisco Jabber Takes Unified Communications and Collaboration to ... | 02 02:51
schestowitzbasically, think of it like thisDec 02 02:51
schestowitzEven here in the UKDec 02 02:51
schestowitzPeople give all their emails to Google, MSDec 02 02:51
schestowitzHotmail, Yahoo, GMailDec 02 02:51
schestowitzIt's enough for one party to use itDec 02 02:52
schestowitzahnd PGP is being merginalisedDec 02 02:52
schestowitzSkype=spy, USDec 02 02:52
schestowitz(Microsoft)Dec 02 02:52
schestowitzthat includes text and voice messagingDec 02 02:52
schestowitzGoogle Talk is cloud-spyDec 02 02:52
schestowitzFor cellphones we have laws here that require ISPs to:Dec 02 02:52
schestowitzretain location logDec 02 02:52
schestowitzretain some calls, not sure about spans and how they varyDec 02 02:53
schestowitzTextsDec 02 02:53
schestowitz!google murdoch phone hackingDec 02 02:53
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - News International phone hacking scandal - Wikipedia, the free ... | 02 02:53
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - James Murdoch claims truth about phone-hacking was hidden from ... | 02 02:53
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Rupert Murdoch's phone-hacking scandal: A timeline - The Week | 02 02:53
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Murdoch Phone Hacking Scandal Widens - Forbes | 02 02:53
schestowitzIn short, it's already China here, but we call it "free world" and praise its marvelsDec 02 02:53
schestowitzWhen *** hits the fan and people riot, then all that freedom facade moves asideDec 02 02:54
schestowitz!google careron blackberryDec 02 02:54
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - James Cameron s Avatar - BlackBerry App World | 02 02:54
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Download Cameron County Pennsylvania ... - BlackBerry App World | 02 02:54
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Cameron Exploring Crackdown on Social Media After Riots ... | 02 02:54
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - David Cameron considers banning suspected rioters from social ... | 02 02:54
prurigroschestowitz: what would you suggest be used? just IRC?Dec 02 02:55
schestowitzIRC is not secure on freenodeDec 02 02:56
schestowitzbut people know it's publicDec 02 02:56
schestowitzand even DMDec 02 02:56
schestowitzTBH, I don't think for the common person there's much left for secure comms other than to go to a restaurant and use mouth, pen, paperDec 02 02:57
schestowitzyou still get CCTVd for meeting, but nobody knows the conversationDec 02 02:57
schestowitzIf you want a private conversation, don't use any type of phone unless it's going through a private networkDec 02 02:57
schestowitz 02 02:58
TechrightsBot-tr@KathyReid: @stumbles Good luck for tomorrow Ben! #swpatDec 02 02:58
schestowitz\0/Dec 02 02:58
prurigroschestowitz: I'd assume encrypted DCC would be secure at least though?Dec 02 03:01
prurigroschestowitz: or how about ideas like ?Dec 02 03:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Pidgin-Encryption .::. Size~: 5.08 KBDec 02 03:02
schestowitzdoes freenode support it?Dec 02 03:03
prurigroschestowitz: that's for IM encryption, over freenode though znc supports two methods of encrypted messages-- I'm not sure what other clients can use that however...Dec 02 03:05
amarsh04back in a few, loading new kernelDec 02 03:08
amarsh04  Dec 02 03:08
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schestowitzprurigro: would you say that there is a conspiracy to make secure comms more scarce and hard for the common person to use? In so-called 'rogue' countries crypts are treated like some sort of terrorist thingDec 02 03:16
prurigroI dunno if I'd call it a conspiracy as I'd suggest that its simply not in the best interest of those forking up the money to supply servicesDec 02 03:16
schestowitzpeople don't seem to understand that secure comms would be essential for many non-violent things Dec 02 03:16
prurigrohave you taken a look at cjdns?Dec 02 03:17
schestowitzI'm thinking like,Dec 02 03:17
schestowitzbusiness offering secure connections don't attract many customersDec 02 03:17
schestowitzBecause the public is not taught at school the importance of itDec 02 03:17
prurigroits one of those things that's totally key to have, but not necessary 99% of the timeDec 02 03:17
schestowitzJust look what kids do in facebookDec 02 03:17
schestowitzAnd also, funding does not go to stuff that makes people 'vanish' from Big Brother radar, unless it's for some military purposesDec 02 03:18
schestowitzcjdns rings no bell to meDec 02 03:18
prurigrowell there's big brother, but they're simply hoping private communication isn't around I'd suspectDec 02 03:18
schestowitzAt least we not have egypt as a slide/case study for the whole internet/tech rights thingDec 02 03:19
prurigrocjdns is a project I've been following for a while now and I think you'll like it, 2 secs tho (phone)Dec 02 03:21
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prurigroschestowitz: kk, done- you still around?Dec 02 04:04
schestowitzyeah, on and offDec 02 04:17
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prurigroschestowitz: here, check it out-- its actually one of the only real prospective solutions to the dark net plan at this pointDec 02 04:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: cjdelisle/cjdns - GitHub .::. Size~: 51.6 KBDec 02 04:25
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prurigrocheck the readmeDec 02 04:26
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*schestowitz readsDec 02 04:38
prurigrocjd is a really proficient programmer too, as you'll notice if you browse the sourceDec 02 04:39
schestowitz"Dec 02 04:39
schestowitzWe have a number of somewhat competing offerings to solve this problem from ISPs and government.Dec 02 04:39
schestowitzWe have IPSEC, DNSSEC, numerous proposals from the mundane to the wild and whacky such as "internetDec 02 04:39
schestowitzdrivers licenses".Dec 02 04:39
schestowitz"Dec 02 04:39
schestowitz!google microsoft charney doj licenseDec 02 04:39
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Gilmore on the "computer health certificate" plan [] | 02 04:39
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - slight paranoia: Microsoft: Competing on privacy? | 02 04:39
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Privacy and Security Fanatic: Microsoft: Want Unrestricted Net ... | 02 04:39
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Network Security Consulting Blog » Internet-wide Network Access ... | 02 04:39
schestowitzreal douchbagDec 02 04:40
schestowitz*cheDec 02 04:40
prurigrolol, Microsoft you say eh?Dec 02 04:41
prurigrowhat do you think of the project?Dec 02 04:42
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schestowitzhave not tried it yetDec 02 05:00
schestowitzi became a watcher of this projectDec 02 05:01
schestowitz 02 05:01
TechrightsBot-trTitle: schestowitz's Profile - GitHub .::. Size~: 29.96 KBDec 02 05:01
Diablo-D3lol roy has  agithub accountDec 02 05:02
Diablo-D3lolDec 02 05:02
schestowitz< 02 05:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: » Piper Jaffray (PJC) Analysts Reiterate an “Overweight” Rating on Red Hat (RHT) - LocalizedUSA .::. Size~: 33.23 KBDec 02 05:03
schestowitzDiablo-D3: I, know, I kow...Dec 02 05:04
prurigroschestowitz: you should stop by #cjdns some dayDec 02 05:06
schestowitznaaa. doubt itDec 02 05:16
schestowitzdon't' have the timeDec 02 05:16
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prurigroyou do seem rather busy these daysDec 02 05:26
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schestowitzprurigro: up all nightDec 02 05:48
schestowitz3rd day in a row...Dec 02 05:48
schestowitzwork relatedDec 02 05:49
schestowitzthe rest of the day (I only spent practising rowing, printing some papers, and booking a restaurant for Saturday nightDec 02 05:50
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DaemonFCschestowitz: I've been over at my mother's house all dayDec 02 05:52
DaemonFCshe slipped and broke her legDec 02 05:52
schestowitzand?Dec 02 05:52
schestowitzohDec 02 05:52
schestowitzdid you help her?Dec 02 05:53
DaemonFCyeahDec 02 05:53
DaemonFCshe has to have surgery on it tomorrow Dec 02 05:53
schestowitzinsured?Dec 02 05:53
DaemonFC80% Dec 02 05:53
schestowitzor "surprise emergency"?Dec 02 05:54
prurigroschestowitz: you and me bothDec 02 05:55
DaemonFCif it wasn't for the family medical leave act, she would have lost her jobDec 02 05:55
DaemonFCthat's what typically happened in the United States before 1993Dec 02 05:55
DaemonFCdepending on whatever the laws in your state wereDec 02 05:55
DaemonFCsome states already had similar lawsDec 02 05:55
schestowitzoh I forgot to post IRC logsDec 02 05:56
DaemonFCIndiana was one of the ones that let you employer fire you if you had your leg broken and couldn't return to workDec 02 05:56
schestowitzfor 2 days nowDec 02 05:56
DaemonFCthe FMLA says that every employee has to have their job held for them for up to 12 weeks out of any year over a medical emergencyDec 02 05:57
DaemonFCas long as your doctor says you're unfit for work, they can't fire you unless you're gone more than 12 weeks out of the yearDec 02 05:57
DaemonFCmost large employers lobbied against that lawDec 02 05:58
DaemonFCbecause they view their employees as being as expendable as the law allowsDec 02 05:58
DaemonFCFMLA doesn't say the elave has to be paid though, so unless you have short term disability insurance, most people can't afford to use that law anywayDec 02 06:00
DaemonFCit's another one of those protectionist laws that is there to make sure that it mostly covers professionals who can afford to go without work or has short term disability insurance anywayDec 02 06:01
DaemonFCjust like there are other laws assuring that those people are exempt from foreign competition for their jobsDec 02 06:02
DaemonFC*haveDec 02 06:02
DaemonFCthe super rich only amount to about half a percent of the populationDec 02 06:02
DaemonFCso they extend some limited protections to form an outward bubble that has a grab bag full of stuff to influence enough voters to keep their preferred politicians in powerDec 02 06:03
DaemonFCI kind of view FMLA with no mandate to offer short term disability insurance as one of themDec 02 06:04
DaemonFCnobody working a typical low wage job can afford to miss more than a few days of workDec 02 06:04
DaemonFCso the law can't exist to protect themDec 02 06:04
DaemonFCthat being said, I'm glad my mom is one of the people on the outer edge of the bubble that that law is there to protect people withinDec 02 06:05
prurigroschestowitz: hey, would you be interested in having me take a look at the markup on the news part of the site at some point?Dec 02 06:10
schestowitzsure, you can be made author topDec 02 06:12
prurigroauthor top?Dec 02 06:13
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sebsebsebschestowitz: Being up all night it seemsDec 02 06:30
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schestowitzyes, againDec 02 06:31
DaemonFCreading more about Jeff Merkey Dec 02 06:31
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ziggyfishWhat distro would you recommend for a novice computer userDec 02 06:32
DaemonFChe cited in a complaint dated June of 2005 that "Linux members" conspired to deny him his rights under the "Religious Freedom Restoration Act", which was found to be unconstitutional and invalid in 1997Dec 02 06:32
DaemonFChe was apparently upset that someone made fun of him for using peyote Dec 02 06:33
sebsebsebschestowitz: Up all night working on Techrights?Dec 02 06:33
DaemonFCMerkey claims to be a member of a "native American" church even though he is not himself a native AmericanDec 02 06:33
ziggyfishThey have been using ubuntu, however the computer crashed and the lastest ubuntu is not usable even for meDec 02 06:33
DaemonFCand his use of peyote got him an indictment by a grand jury in Utah Dec 02 06:34
sebsebsebziggyfish: Linux Mint, well and possbily Mageia 1 even, but Mageia 2 next year and oh yeah totallyDec 02 06:34
sebsebsebziggyfish: oh and PC Linux OS can be good for newbies as well, loads of choiceDec 02 06:34
DaemonFCwhich was dropped pursuant to a settlement stating that Merkey agreed that he would refrain from using peyote again unless and until the US federal drug laws change to remove it from the Schedule I controlled substance listDec 02 06:34
DaemonFC:)Dec 02 06:34
DaemonFCtherefore, he signed a settlement which agreed that he had no legal right to use it in the first placeDec 02 06:35
DaemonFCthen sued "Linux members" because some guy made fun of him for using peyote, which violated religious freedoms that are in fact, not recognized by the US federal government or the state of UtahDec 02 06:36
ziggyfishsebsebseb: going to give linux mint a goDec 02 06:36
sebsebsebziggyfish: yep Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu, but it's Ubuntu done rightDec 02 06:36
sebsebsebziggyfish: oh and Mint 12 is Gnome Shell, but with extensions that make it more Gnome 2 likeDec 02 06:36
sebsebsebplus can have withoutDec 02 06:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] So, what? Are we back? How long were we down? Damn, I hate when that happens.Dec 02 06:36
DaemonFCthe accusation that making fun of someone for using drugs based on their religious beliefs is an "unlawful privacy violation" is ridiculousDec 02 06:37
sebsebsebziggyfish: and Mageia is worth keepng an eye on as wellDec 02 06:37
ziggyfishI would love a KDE based distro that fixed all the memory problems KDE has.Dec 02 06:38
DaemonFCMerkey admits he is not a lawyer and has had no education about the US legal system whatsoever, but represents himself in his lawsuits which he always ends up dropping later because no matter which judge he gets, they aren't buying itDec 02 06:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] OK, looks like a database slave blew out. We'll need to replace that tomorrow night. Hopefully we can run on one DB tonight.Dec 02 06:38
sebsebsebziggyfish: oh Mageia is very good for KDEDec 02 06:39
sebsebseband PC Linux OS is good for KDE as wellDec 02 06:39
schestowitzsebsebseb: noDec 02 06:40
DaemonFCin one of his filings, he used a paragraph in the complaint allegations he was making about "Linux members" who are affiliated the aforementioned "Czechoslovakian communists" (only he spelled it Checkoslavkian in his lawsuit filing) to point out that he is "widely regarded as one of Utah's preeminent computer scientists"Dec 02 06:40
DaemonFCyou'd think the courts would get sick of dealing with this idiot and threaten to hold him in contempt the next time he wastes their timeDec 02 06:41
ziggyfishI am actually liking gnome 3Dec 02 06:42
ziggyfishthere are a few problems with it, but I think once these are sorted out it will be a very good desktopDec 02 06:42
DaemonFC"Merkey has served as a Chief Scientist at Novell and several large computer companies during his career and is credited with creating some of the most powerful, scalable, and performance technologies in the world."Dec 02 06:42
DaemonFCExtending FAT, calling it Novell Netware File System, and leaving in place a 4 gigabyte volume limit is not powerfulDec 02 06:43
DaemonFCnor is is scalable Dec 02 06:43
DaemonFCand speaking with my experience with it, it doesn't perform well eitherDec 02 06:44
DaemonFCthe only real extension he made to FAT was to hack in POSIX style file permissions so that it could be used more easily with SCO UnixwareDec 02 06:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] and we're back!Dec 02 06:45
DaemonFChe goes on to claim that Groklaw under Pamela Jones routinely defamed the Mormons Dec 02 06:49
DaemonFCin an attempt to piss off the judge and jury at her, since this is in a Utah courtDec 02 06:50
DaemonFCI've never seen any posting like that on GroklawDec 02 06:50
DaemonFChe claims that one of the defendants uses "google bombing" and that it is illegalDec 02 06:51
DaemonFCwhich is untrueDec 02 06:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] 2 oddities then: a) it isn't autolaunched?! b) two-finger scroll is on in g-c-c, but g-s-d disables it? :/Dec 02 06:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] very good! tegra2 support is rather good, looking forward now to tegra3. nvidia's been helpful. new arm tablets coming up ~weekly :)Dec 02 06:51
DaemonFCeven though people do use it, tricking their search algorithm is not illegalDec 02 06:51
DaemonFCand there's no evidence that this defendant ever did such a thing anywayDec 02 06:52
DaemonFChe's always careful to use the word "hack" or "hacking" with quotations, seemingly in an attempt to legitimize his use of the words outside of the proper scope of the Computer Fraud and Abuse ActDec 02 06:53
DaemonFCnone of the activities he refers to are actually illegal under that law, or as amended by the USA PATRIOT ACTDec 02 06:53
*DaemonFC is just reading this for amusement and seeing if anything in the entire PDF is true other than his own name that he gave the courtDec 02 06:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Company Claims to Have Replicated Rossi's Cold Fusion Device !scienceDec 02 06:55
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Defkalion shows specs  but no technology - NyTeknik .::. Size~: 119.67 KBDec 02 06:55
DaemonFC"posts hate speech"Dec 02 06:55
DaemonFCthere's a good oneDec 02 06:55
DaemonFCit's not considered a crime in itselfDec 02 06:55
DaemonFCI can say "The world would be better off if someone shot all the Mormons"Dec 02 06:55
DaemonFCbut I couldn't direct someone to do itDec 02 06:56
DaemonFChe ignores the difference and pretends that hateful speech is a crime in itself, it's notDec 02 06:56
DaemonFCat least not at the federal level and not in most statesDec 02 06:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] When using open source makes you an enemy of the state !fsf !eff !linuxDec 02 06:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Entangled diamonds blur quantum-classical divide !scienceDec 02 06:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: When using open source makes you an enemy of the state | Technology | .::. Size~: 264.04 KBDec 02 06:56
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DaemonFCand even when it is a crime at state level, it's only a crime against certain groups, which tend to be different in each state law that has a hate speech lawDec 02 06:57
DaemonFCand the issue of whether those laws are even constitutional has not been answered yet because states don't tend to enforce them because they know they'll likely be strickenDec 02 06:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @aseigo very good! tegra2 support is rather good, looking forward now to tegra3. nvidia's been helpful. new arm tablets coming up ~we ...Dec 02 06:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Croatian activists publish database of government procurements, pointing the way to detecting corruption 02 06:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] !Google rips Senate's online piracy bill: 'This is what is wrong with Washington' !effDec 02 06:58
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Croatian transparency activists publish enormous database of government procurements, pointing the way to detecting corruption and fraud - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 31.27 KBDec 02 06:58
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DaemonFCin Section 32, he declares that is an organization that promotes far right wing domestic terrorismDec 02 06:59
DaemonFCheheDec 02 06:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Cheezburger CEO Ben Huh’s Amazing Story of Failure, Depression, & Survival 02 07:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] A Case for Open-Source GPU Drivers !linux !fsfDec 02 07:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cheezburger CEO Ben Huh’s Amazing Story of Failure, Depression, & Survival | Xconomy .::. Size~: 41.26 KBDec 02 07:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A Case for Open-Source GPU Drivers | Linaro - Open source software for ARM SoCs .::. Size~: 53.99 KBDec 02 07:00
DaemonFCthen he finishes off with Section 33, where he names 200 unknown persons "DOES" who are conspiring with Linux members, Slashdot, and Pamela Jones in acts of Chekoslovakian promoted far right wing and (at the same time) far right wing domestic terrorism, libel, hate speech, and general hurting Jeff Merkeley's feelingsDec 02 07:01
DaemonFC:)Dec 02 07:01
DaemonFCerrDec 02 07:01
Brendan_TDaemonFC: wtf? who is this tardDec 02 07:01
DaemonFCshould have read "and at the same time, communist"Dec 02 07:02
DaemonFChis name is Jeff Merkey Dec 02 07:02
DaemonFChe is a former Novell employeeDec 02 07:02
DaemonFChe has claimed he is the "loyal servant of Microsoft"Dec 02 07:02
Brendan_The said that?Dec 02 07:02
DaemonFChe has tried to file friend of the court petitions in aide of SCODec 02 07:02
DaemonFCand he has in his personal capacity, tried to sue people of the "Linux Operating System" cabal he hallucinated when in a peyote induced tranceDec 02 07:03
DaemonFChe also seems to be a megalomaniac Dec 02 07:03
DaemonFChe fashions himself a sort of godlike figure of the high tech revolutionDec 02 07:04
DaemonFCwhen the biggest accomplishment he has ever made was extending FAT16 to use as Novell's Netware file systemDec 02 07:04
DaemonFCBrendan_T: Don't take my word for itDec 02 07:05
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Brendan_Ti never can believe that these people actually believe these thingsDec 02 07:06
DaemonFCthat one is by far the funniest Dec 02 07:06
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DaemonFCat one point he tried to buy Linux outright from Linus Torvalds for $50,000Dec 02 07:06
DaemonFCnot realizing that Torvalds holds the copyright on about 2% of the Linux kernelDec 02 07:07
DaemonFC:)Dec 02 07:07
Brendan_Tugh my isp directs me to their private google portal everytime i go to an invalid linkDec 02 07:07
Brendan_Tit used to be yahoo a while ago i think, and ive disabled it at least 5 times but it always reenablesDec 02 07:07
DaemonFCand when he made a GPL-violating proprietary Linux port of the Novell Netware File System without Novell's permission....Dec 02 07:08
DaemonFC(they have patents on it that he was infringing...)Dec 02 07:08
DaemonFChe distributed it as a blob with a piece of Nvidia-style kernel glueDec 02 07:08
cubezzzBrendan_T, which ISP?Dec 02 07:08
Brendan_TdodoDec 02 07:08
DaemonFCwhich also patched out the code the kernel uses to inform the user their kernel is taintedDec 02 07:08
DaemonFCto be fair, Nvidia and AMD both make GPL-violating driversDec 02 07:09
DaemonFCbut they don't patch out the "kernel is tainted" warningDec 02 07:09
Brendan_Ttries to buy linux?? oh no, so he genuinely is retardedDec 02 07:10
DaemonFCwhen he was confronted by some of the kernel developers, Merkey declared that the GPL version 2 is "badly worded" and therefore is giving everyone who downloads any software licensed such a complete copyright grantDec 02 07:10
DaemonFC:)Dec 02 07:10
DaemonFCthe guy only gets funnier the more you read about himDec 02 07:10
DaemonFCa US federal judge called him delusional in a Finding of FactDec 02 07:10
DaemonFCthe GPL version 2 has been attacked in US courts several timesDec 02 07:11
DaemonFCincluding a federal district court for southern IndianaDec 02 07:11
DaemonFCand has survived the attack every timeDec 02 07:11
DaemonFCthe Indiana federal district judge declared that the GPL promotes competition and innovationDec 02 07:12
DaemonFCand dismissed the "antitrust" lawsuit against the FSFDec 02 07:12
DaemonFCwith prejudiceDec 02 07:12
DaemonFC(meaning "don't come back")Dec 02 07:12
DaemonFC:)Dec 02 07:12
DaemonFCdifferent troll that time, not MerkeyDec 02 07:13
DaemonFCthe troll in the Indiana federal court case tried to appeal the ruling but the court of appeals for this district affirmed the lower court's rulingDec 02 07:13
DaemonFCand left it intactDec 02 07:13
DaemonFCI think Groklaw did mention that particular case tooDec 02 07:14
DaemonFCbut it was more amusing to read the judge's Finding of Fact unabridged Dec 02 07:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @netivity We've got customs: We'll be rolling over to our very own NS servers over the weekend. Apologise for any inconvenience caused.Dec 02 07:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Email Tips: Star all important emails. Makes em that much easier to find #since1969 #teamnetivityDec 02 07:15
DaemonFCevery once in a while some troll you've never heard of comes to attack free software in court using some legal arguments from the Twilight ZoneDec 02 07:15
DaemonFCwouldn't surprise me if Microsoft was seeding them with enough money to file the lawsuitsDec 02 07:15
DaemonFCon the chance that they get an ignorant judge or something that allows  it to proceedDec 02 07:15
Brendan_Tl0l "His new company tried to get it into the Linux kernel. Novell objected, so he sued them for sexual harassment."Dec 02 07:15
schestowitz[06:49] <DaemonFC> he goes on to claim that Groklaw under Pamela Jones routinely defamed the Mormons Dec 02 07:16
schestowitzLOLDec 02 07:16
Diablo-D3>HisDec 02 07:16
Diablo-D3>sexual harassmentDec 02 07:16
Diablo-D3que?Dec 02 07:16
DaemonFCNovell fired Merkey so he came back with Sexual Harassment PandaDec 02 07:16
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DaemonFCdoes that look like someone you'd sexually harass?Dec 02 07:17
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DaemonFCthere's his entire Facebook profile btwDec 02 07:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RD @SafaricomLtd Get the HP Mini 100E with parental control for 19,999/= Open Day in Nairobi from 2nd to 4th Dec at the Sarit Centre!Dec 02 07:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @netivity Guess who owns the mother of all domain name hacks? Check it out here http://nairo.bizDec 02 07:18
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Brendan_Tid go on facebook jhust to add him and chatDec 02 07:18
DaemonFChe divorced apparentlyDec 02 07:18
Brendan_Tbut he'd probably consider it sexual harassmentyDec 02 07:18
DaemonFChe married some German woman and had a son in 2004Dec 02 07:18
DaemonFCaccording to his court filingsDec 02 07:19
Brendan_Twonderful, another destroyed childDec 02 07:19
*ziggyfish ( has left #techrights ("Leaving")Dec 02 07:19
DaemonFCnot necessarily Dec 02 07:19
DaemonFChis mother might have custodyDec 02 07:19
DaemonFCI know nothing about herDec 02 07:19
DaemonFCthere's some chance the kid will be raised properlyDec 02 07:19
DaemonFC:)Dec 02 07:19
DaemonFCI know his dad, the voodoo witch shaman against the Linux Operating System Movement would probably fuck the kid up irreparably Dec 02 07:20
DaemonFC;)Dec 02 07:20
Brendan_Tfacebook kinda feels like a public dating site, with some of the first informationg being age gender and relationship statusDec 02 07:21
DaemonFCmehDec 02 07:21
DaemonFCSexual orientation: GayDec 02 07:21
DaemonFCReligion: Atheist Dec 02 07:21
DaemonFCthe next holiday dinner, there were...questionsDec 02 07:22
DaemonFC:)Dec 02 07:22
prurigroDaemonFC: I have the prefect dating site for you then 02 07:23
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DaemonFCPolitical Views: Democratic SocialismDec 02 07:24
DaemonFCheheDec 02 07:24
prurigro"God's Match for YouTM"Dec 02 07:24
Diablo-D3dudeDec 02 07:25
DaemonFCyeah, they run their ads in cheap late night blocksDec 02 07:25
Diablo-D3if God had a match for meDec 02 07:25
Diablo-D3Im pretty sure he'd email meDec 02 07:25
DaemonFCand end up running during South ParkDec 02 07:25
DaemonFCi:)Dec 02 07:25
Diablo-D3and be like "hey dude, see enclosed .jpg, she lives 3 doors down"Dec 02 07:25
DaemonFC"Fucking fatass!"Dec 02 07:25
DaemonFC"Shut up you fucking Jew!"Dec 02 07:25
DaemonFCbreak for commercialDec 02 07:25
DaemonFC"Find God's match for you at!"Dec 02 07:26
DaemonFChehDec 02 07:26
prurigroDiablo-D3: don't you know? God pays 100 dollars per block on TV, he's still figuring out that internet thingDec 02 07:26
Diablo-D3God _invented_ the internet, dude.Dec 02 07:26
prurigroI think you mean "Gore"Dec 02 07:27
prurigroa common mistakeDec 02 07:27
Diablo-D3he also invented nanotechnology and self-reproducing machinery.Dec 02 07:27
DaemonFCSore/Loserman 2000Dec 02 07:27
Diablo-D3prurigro: nope, I do mean God.Dec 02 07:27
DaemonFCvs. Dick and BushDec 02 07:27
DaemonFCI can't say I like Al Gore much better than BushDec 02 07:27
DaemonFChis views on the bill of rights are at least as frighteningDec 02 07:28
Diablo-D3tbl and vint cerf were told of the internet in a visionDec 02 07:28
DaemonFCif not always for the same reasonsDec 02 07:28
DaemonFCtastelessness has never been a valid reason to censor freedom of speech or expression as provided for in the first amendment to the United States ConstitutionDec 02 07:29
prurigroDiablo-D3: I think you're gonna need to explain your theory a bit further hereDec 02 07:29
DaemonFCtherefore even though some video games, movies, etc. are probably tasteless, that alone should not qualify to get them bannedDec 02 07:29
prurigroDaemonFC: gore was anti videogame violenceDec 02 07:29
DaemonFCand frankly, even if it was, whose definition of "tasteless" are we using here?Dec 02 07:30
DaemonFCthat's scarier stillDec 02 07:30
prurigroit'd be cool if they treated ratings like nutrition facts (does america have those?)Dec 02 07:30
DaemonFCI would argue that religion and religious texts tend to be tasteless and serve no useful purpose other than to rot kids brainsDec 02 07:30
DaemonFCbut I wouldn't ban it even if I couldDec 02 07:31
prurigroFUCK: 386 times | NIPPLES: 34 times | MASTURBATION: 1.5 timesDec 02 07:31
prurigropeople could judge for themselvesDec 02 07:31
DaemonFCbecause I would not choose to interpret freedom of expression and speech to exclude something I personally find tasteless, insulting, or pointlessDec 02 07:31
MinceRi would take all tax exemption and government funding from cults, thoughDec 02 07:31
DaemonFCand we know that religion inspires violence, there's absolutely no correlative evidence to back up the claim that violent video games do or notDec 02 07:32
prurigroMinceR: cults and religions?Dec 02 07:32
MinceRprurigro: i'm talking about the organizationsDec 02 07:32
MinceRyou can't fund or tax a belief system :>Dec 02 07:32
DaemonFCI believe the slippery slope is too dangerous to start making exceptions for the things that the majority dislikesDec 02 07:32
Diablo-D3who said nipples?Dec 02 07:33
DaemonFCof course, a lot of people disagree with me, and when those people take over, we can have a good old fashioned Aryan book burning or somethingDec 02 07:33
prurigroMinceR: religion is an organization, typicallyDec 02 07:33
DaemonFCI don't believe religion should be censoredDec 02 07:34
prurigroDiablo-D3: *puts hand up slowly*Dec 02 07:34
DaemonFCI don't believe they should get tax exemptions Dec 02 07:34
DaemonFCor federal funding if part of what the contract involves is a recruitment driveDec 02 07:34
prurigroDaemonFC:  if there's money involved, tax emDec 02 07:34
prurigroif not, let em beDec 02 07:34
MinceRalso, religious brainwashing shouldn't be allowed in any school that gets public fundingDec 02 07:34
DaemonFCthat's what I saidDec 02 07:34
prurigroDaemonFC: summarizing for you :)Dec 02 07:35
DaemonFCI believe churches should be made to pay the same income tax  as any individual or business entity paysDec 02 07:35
DaemonFCthere's not a lot of difference between Scientology and CatholicismDec 02 07:35
DaemonFC;)Dec 02 07:35
prurigroor evangelism, or jehovas witness, or islam, or judiasm etcetcDec 02 07:36
DaemonFCif you're running a business that caters to stupid people, ok fineDec 02 07:36
DaemonFCthat falls under several constitutional protectionsDec 02 07:36
DaemonFCbut even businesses that thrive on stupid customers should be taxedDec 02 07:36
MinceRwell, of courseDec 02 07:37
prurigrothe problem is that they've become rather large in the USDec 02 07:37
prurigroand they've infiltrated the government quite heavilyDec 02 07:37
MinceR$cientology was designed to exploit all the tricks that catholicism already used, and some moreDec 02 07:37
DaemonFCMinceR: I personally favor the repeal of all income taxesDec 02 07:37
DaemonFCand most types of taxes anywayDec 02 07:37
MinceRDaemonFC: i support that, along with the abolition of the stateDec 02 07:38
DaemonFCFairTax as suggested would get the churches away from tax evasionDec 02 07:38
MinceRbut i don't think that humanity is ready for thatDec 02 07:38
DaemonFCbecause they would pay the same sales tax anyone else doesDec 02 07:38
prurigroMinceR: its called the internet :)Dec 02 07:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Someone screwed up how computers work, and I blame it on Bill Gates. I had one typewriter in 50 years. But I’ve bough... 02 07:38
MinceRprurigro: not reallyDec 02 07:38
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MinceRprurigro: hungaristan already has the legal basis for internet censorshipDec 02 07:38
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MinceRprurigro: PRC has internet censorship; they tried to have it in australia tooDec 02 07:38
MinceRDNS-based internet censorship is widespreadDec 02 07:39
prurigrointernet censorship just means more hoopsDec 02 07:39
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DaemonFClegal basis being fuck you, the state matters and you don'tDec 02 07:39
DaemonFCright?Dec 02 07:39
DaemonFCB-)Dec 02 07:39
MinceRno, it means the state tries to destroy your freedom of speechDec 02 07:39
prurigroI disagree with it with every bone in my bodyDec 02 07:39
prurigrobut if/when it happens, there will be ways aroundDec 02 07:39
prurigrocjdnsDec 02 07:39
MinceRfor a while, that isDec 02 07:39
prurigrois close to release tooDec 02 07:39
MinceRthey can use non-DNS methods, they can ban proxiesDec 02 07:39
prurigrocjdns can get around thatDec 02 07:40
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MinceRDaemonFC: sales-only tax means the state can't collect money for goods made in the state and then exported, afaikDec 02 07:40
cubezzzha, ax.25 goes around everythingDec 02 07:40
MinceRprurigro: cjdns can get around IP-level blocks?Dec 02 07:40
cubezzzonly thing is it's very slowDec 02 07:41
prurigroMinceR: definitelyDec 02 07:41
prurigroand yes, cjdns will be slow as wellDec 02 07:41
MinceRcubezzz: until they jam it, that isDec 02 07:41
prurigroax.25 I haven't heard ofDec 02 07:41
cubezzzpacket radioDec 02 07:41
prurigroone moment while I google :)Dec 02 07:41
MinceRgetting around the blocks isn't enoughDec 02 07:41
cubezzzMinceR, I suppose they'll ban shortwave as well? :)Dec 02 07:42
MinceRpeople who fight to block freedom of speech need to lose their powers and they need to be punishedDec 02 07:42
MinceRcubezzz: why not?Dec 02 07:42
prurigrocubezzz: can that connect up with ip?Dec 02 07:42
cubezzzprurigro, yesDec 02 07:42
prurigroniceDec 02 07:42
DaemonFCMinceR: the tax means that nobody pays taxes on anything until it's bought as a finished productDec 02 07:43
cubezzzyou need a good transceiver of courseDec 02 07:43
prurigroso we have two good solutions if the freedom apocalypse occursDec 02 07:43
DaemonFCand it is usually proposed as a replacement for most federal taxesDec 02 07:43
MinceRDaemonFC: which means that if you live in a country where they only make components to products made elsewhere, your state has no money to work with at allDec 02 07:43
cubezzzMinceR, it's very unlikely, shortwave is too usefulDec 02 07:43
MinceRcubezzz: to whom?Dec 02 07:44
cubezzzboats use it, and ham operatorsDec 02 07:44
MinceRcubezzz: fascists care about neitherDec 02 07:44
cubezzzit's useful in emergency situations when the phones don't workDec 02 07:44
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MinceRif they want to reserve it for the state, they can do thatDec 02 07:44
MinceRnot many people use shortwaveDec 02 07:44
cubezzzbut they canDec 02 07:44
DaemonFC"A study by Kotlikoff and Sabine Jokisch concluded that the long term effects of the FairTax would reward low-income households with 26.3% more purchasing power, middle-income households with 12.4% more purchasing power, and high-income households with 5% more purchasing power.[11] The Beacon Hill Institute reported that the FairTax would make the federal tax system more progressive and would benefit the average individual in almost all Dec 02 07:44
DaemonFCexpenditures deciles.[8] In another study, they state the FairTax would offer the broadest tax base (an increase of over $2 trillion), which allows the FairTax to have a lower tax rate than current tax law.[56]"Dec 02 07:45
MinceRif the fascists say they'll triangulate all shortwave sources and kill the guy doing it, they won'tDec 02 07:45
MinceRDaemonFC: it also makes tax evasion easier :>Dec 02 07:45
cubezzzall between 1,800 to 32,000 khzDec 02 07:45
prurigroI think we're talking about a pretty serious worst case scenario hereDec 02 07:45
prurigroif they start banning short wave and wifi (cjdns)Dec 02 07:46
MinceRwe're going towards the worst case scenario fastDec 02 07:46
cubezzzyeah MinceR's being too pessimisticDec 02 07:46
prurigroI mean, being able to communicate across the net might be the last of our concernsDec 02 07:46
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MinceRcubezzz: no, i just see what usian fascists are doing to their own country and to other countriesDec 02 07:46
cubezzzpeople should know about alternatives thoughDec 02 07:46
MinceRcubezzz: i also see what local dictatorships doDec 02 07:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] remember folks: just because you theoreticaly CAN have twice the power next year, doesn't necessarily mean you should program for it.Dec 02 07:46
MinceRand it doesn't look like the dictatorship in hungary will end any time soonDec 02 07:47
cubezzzMinceR, you got a big slice of the elctromagnetic spectrum you can useDec 02 07:47
DaemonFCDuring the transition, many or most of the employees of the IRS (105,978 in 2005)[35] would face loss of employment.[36] The Beacon Hill Institute estimate is that the federal government would be able to cut $8 billion from the IRS budget of $11.01 billion (in 2007), reducing the size of federal tax administration by 73%.[36] In addition, income tax preparers (many seasonal), tax lawyers, tax compliance staff in medium-to-large businesses, and Dec 02 07:47
DaemonFCsoftware companies which sell tax preparation software (such as Drake Software, TaxCut, and TurboTax), could face significant drops, changes, or loss of employment.[17]Dec 02 07:47
DaemonFCok, I like thatDec 02 07:47
DaemonFC:)Dec 02 07:47
DaemonFCIllegal immigrationDec 02 07:48
prurigroMincer: is FairTax GST?Dec 02 07:48
DaemonFCThe current system of taxation, in many cases, provides incentives for illegal immigrants and companies that employ them. It is estimated that approximately 5 million illegal immigrants are paid off the books ("under the table") in cash allowing employee and employer to avoid paying federal taxes estimated at $35 billion a year.[50] Advocates also claim the FairTax would provide incentive for illegal immigrants to legalize as they would otherwise Dec 02 07:48
DaemonFCnot receive the FairTax rebate.Dec 02 07:48
MinceRcubezzz: for nowDec 02 07:48
MinceRprurigro: what's GST?Dec 02 07:48
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cubezzzit's HST now :-/Dec 02 07:49
prurigroit isDec 02 07:49
DaemonFC 02 07:49
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prurigrobut we rode with GST for quite some timeDec 02 07:49
MinceRwell, at least it isn't DST :>Dec 02 07:49
cubezzzwe still have free-nets in CanadaDec 02 07:49
cubezzzI have to say, we have a pretty good system, at least for internetDec 02 07:50
cubezzznow probably few people know about it, but at least we have itDec 02 07:50
prurigroMincer: so how does it compareto FairTax?Dec 02 07:50
MinceRi don't knowDec 02 07:50
DaemonFCFairTax supporters argue that the tax burden would shift to those who do not pay taxes under the current system and those with wealth.[2] The FairTax would dramatically broaden the tax base to include all 300 million Americans and an estimated 30 million to 40 million foreign tourists and visitors.[17]Dec 02 07:50
MinceRall i know about "FairTax" is that DaemonFC said it's sales-only tax and only on finished productsDec 02 07:51
prurigrocubezzz: I know about it, but 56k aien't my cup of tea :)Dec 02 07:51
cubezzzI can't wait to start programming open source Tax software ! :-PDec 02 07:51
DaemonFCMinceR: The IRS sends you rebatesDec 02 07:51
cubezzzprurigro, they sell broadband wholesaleDec 02 07:51
DaemonFCto make up for the tax on food and essentialsDec 02 07:51
DaemonFCunder the FairTax proposalDec 02 07:51
DaemonFCso poor and middle class people would be doing betterDec 02 07:51
prurigroMincer: canada's tax was ~15% for years, and is 13% nowDec 02 07:51
prurigrosurely FairTax wouldn't be more than that?Dec 02 07:52
prurigrocubezzz: sell?Dec 02 07:52
MinceRDaemonFC: by the way, i don't know if what i've brought up is a big issue, i just know that it's thereDec 02 07:52
cubezzzprurigro, yesDec 02 07:52
cubezzzanyone with a Bell phone number in Ontario or Quebec can get itDec 02 07:52
cubezzzyou can run net services on itDec 02 07:53
DaemonFCMinceR: Used goods are not taxedDec 02 07:53
DaemonFCso if you shop at a thrift store or buy a used car, no taxDec 02 07:53
prurigrocubezzz: and its free?Dec 02 07:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] bare knuckle boxing is safer than normal,b/c with bare you can't go for the punches that cause real dmg.(they'd break your fingers) #rfotdDec 02 07:53
DaemonFCso there's another advantage to the poor and middle classDec 02 07:53
cubezzzprurigro, no not free, but 38 dollars per month, plus you get your own ip addressDec 02 07:53
prurigrocubezzz: shame I cancelled my bell account when they pulled that shit last winterDec 02 07:53
DaemonFCthe tax is only on finished goods, and only if they are sold as newDec 02 07:53
prurigrocubezzz: oh hm, 38 is what I pay right nowDec 02 07:54
DaemonFCthat way the item only gets taxed onceDec 02 07:54
cubezzzprurigro, knowing some Bell techs doesn't hurt eitherDec 02 07:54
prurigrocubezzz: so what's the diff between this and normal aDSL?Dec 02 07:54
DaemonFCMinceR: It would provide a good incentive against consumerism in that caseDec 02 07:54
DaemonFCbecause a lot of people would rather buy a car that's a year or two old than pay a 23% tax on a new oneDec 02 07:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] does the home timeline run on Dali time? first i see is @gomerx "3 hrs ago, then 6 hrs ago" ... then @tekk 4 minutes ago... @support?Dec 02 07:55
cubezzzprurigro, on normal DSL you can't run a mail server, ftp, etcDec 02 07:55
DaemonFCso new car sales would plummet as people were encouraged to keep older ones runningDec 02 07:55
DaemonFCthe car industry might not like thatDec 02 07:55
MinceRso they'll build cars that are even less reliable? :>Dec 02 07:56
DaemonFCMinceR: there's already a form of tax evasion on used carsDec 02 07:56
DaemonFCyou want to know what you do?Dec 02 07:56
DaemonFCsay I have a used car and you buy it from me for $5,000Dec 02 07:56
DaemonFCyou don't want to pay 7% Indiana tax on that $5,000Dec 02 07:57
DaemonFCand I don't want to pay Indiana and federal income tax on that $5,000Dec 02 07:57
prurigrocubezzz: I run a http server, ftp, occasionally a irc bounce and two video streaming servers?Dec 02 07:57
DaemonFCso I write you a bill of saleDec 02 07:57
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DaemonFCanhd we both agree you paid me $100 for that carDec 02 07:57
DaemonFCand that's what we pay taxes onDec 02 07:57
DaemonFCbut you really pay me the $5,000Dec 02 07:57
DaemonFCit goes on all the timeDec 02 07:57
DaemonFCso the state makes almost nothing off used car sales, private party ones anyway, as it stands nowDec 02 07:58
cubezzzprurigro, I don't think it would be fast enough for thatDec 02 07:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] must check out and sleep now... good night !identiverse !tzafDec 02 07:58
DaemonFCbecause all the buyer and seller have to do it make up a price to report to the governmentDec 02 07:58
cubezzzuplink speed would be too slowDec 02 07:58
prurigroMincer: I just read through the FairTax, and Canada has been worse for years-- you have nothing to worry about :)Dec 02 07:58
prurigrocubezzz: true, I only serve to a small number of peopleDec 02 07:58
prurigroupload is like 80kb/s I think?Dec 02 07:59
DaemonFCMinceR: the worst thing you can do is tell them the car was a giftDec 02 07:59
DaemonFCthen they look up the blue book value and charge you 7% of thatDec 02 07:59
cubezzzyes, that sounds about rightDec 02 07:59
DaemonFCso a couple times, I bought a car from a relativeDec 02 07:59
DaemonFCfor $1Dec 02 07:59
DaemonFCand paid the state 7 cents in taxDec 02 07:59
prurigrocubezzz: you seen this one, btw? 02 07:59
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cubezzzlol, yeahDec 02 08:00
DaemonFCMinceR: The complexity of the tax code is ridiculousDec 02 08:00
MinceRDaemonFC: and the IRS didn't investigate you and say it's fraud?Dec 02 08:00
cubezzzthe fat executive Dec 02 08:00
DaemonFCeven if you get a gift from someone, the government is there to steal 7% of its "market value"Dec 02 08:00
prurigroMincer & DaemonFC: in canada we definitely take 2k in cash and write 1k on the bill of receiptDec 02 08:00
DaemonFCMinceR: Buying a car for $1 is not fraudDec 02 08:01
prurigrocubezzz: I love how it says 'for the movers of this world' when the guy looks like some retireeDec 02 08:01
DaemonFCas long as you truthfully report the sale price of $1Dec 02 08:01
DaemonFC:)Dec 02 08:01
MinceR:>Dec 02 08:01
DaemonFCthey wanted to give me the car for freeDec 02 08:01
prurigroDaemonFC: the rest of the cash was simply a giftDec 02 08:01
MinceRDaemonFC: the question is, does the IRS agree with you on thatDec 02 08:01
DaemonFCbut then I'd owe hundreds of dollars to the stateDec 02 08:01
DaemonFCbecause it was a "gift" Dec 02 08:01
DaemonFCso I purchased itDec 02 08:01
DaemonFCfor $1Dec 02 08:01
DaemonFCand really gave them, $1Dec 02 08:01
cubezzzprurigro, :)Dec 02 08:01
cubezzzI'Dec 02 08:01
DaemonFCand paid sales tax on, $1Dec 02 08:01
DaemonFCno fraud, nothing illegalDec 02 08:02
cubezzzI'd buy one used if I could find one at a good priceDec 02 08:02
DaemonFCMinceR: Tax code says it's legalDec 02 08:02
DaemonFCso, it's legalDec 02 08:02
DaemonFConly $1 changed handsDec 02 08:02
DaemonFCso you pay tax on $1Dec 02 08:02
prurigrocubezzz: me too just for the lulz, but honestly, the ones that hooked into a vacuum tube would have been so much more practical in generalDec 02 08:02
DaemonFCMinceR: They end up getting you anywayDec 02 08:02
Brendan_Twhy do you pay so much for a giftDec 02 08:02
DaemonFCwhen you go to plate the fucking thingDec 02 08:03
DaemonFCor get a driver's licenseDec 02 08:03
DaemonFC:)Dec 02 08:03
cubezzzprurigro, no one I know has anything older than the mid 1970'sDec 02 08:03
DaemonFCit's not like you won, you're just cutting your losses as much as you can within the lawDec 02 08:03
cubezzzanything older than that is extremely hard to find in working conditionDec 02 08:03
DaemonFCMinceR: D&D character alignments ;)Dec 02 08:03
MinceR:>Dec 02 08:04
*DaemonFC is Lawful NeutralDec 02 08:04
DaemonFC 02 08:04
DaemonFC:DDec 02 08:04
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prurigrocubezzz: my grandma's second husband, one of the codevelopers of the modern ballpoint pen lol, definitely had stuff from early 1970s- I should ask if it was put in storage or soldDec 02 08:04
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cubezzzmy oldest is Amiga 500, 1987Dec 02 08:05
cubezzzstill works goodDec 02 08:05
prurigroword, my circa ~1984 commodore 64 works quite nicely tooDec 02 08:05
DaemonFC 02 08:06
DaemonFCObamaDec 02 08:06
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DaemonFClolDec 02 08:06
prurigro:) I always find myself rating people on this scaleDec 02 08:06
prurigroand I don't even play d&dDec 02 08:06
*Diablo-D3 is chaotic evil, durDec 02 08:07
DaemonFCMinceR: I am....THE LAW!!!Dec 02 08:08
*prurigro figured as muchDec 02 08:08
DaemonFCDrop your weapons and surrender!Dec 02 08:08
DaemonFCTHIS is your ONLY WARNING!Dec 02 08:08
prurigroI like your style anyway though, Diablo-D3Dec 02 08:08
DaemonFCI knew they'd do that ;)Dec 02 08:08
prurigroDiablo-D3: even when its at my expense hahaDec 02 08:08
MinceRDaemonFC: you-betrayed-the-LAAAAAWWWW!Dec 02 08:08
MinceRDaemonFC: (flash) (video) (audio) 02 08:09
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prurigroanyone have thoughts on ?Dec 02 08:09
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prurigroI recently discovered after 4 years of this arch32 install that I have a 64 bit processorDec 02 08:10
prurigroso I was thinking switching to SSD might be motivation to reinstall 64styleDec 02 08:10
prurigroI hear some SSDs are garbage thoughDec 02 08:10
DaemonFC 02 08:10
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Diablo-D3most are, yesDec 02 08:10
prurigroDiablo-D3: Most even eh? Any keywords to look out for that you know of?Dec 02 08:11
DaemonFC 02 08:12
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Diablo-D3you cant afford enterprise slc nand with numbers for both actual capacity and total capacityDec 02 08:12
prurigroDiablo-D3: I'm guessing that's why typical consumer SSDs don't seem *that* much faster than HDs?Dec 02 08:12
Diablo-D3they're not faster in a useful senseDec 02 08:13
DaemonFCMinceR: Those are two of my favorite moviesDec 02 08:13
DaemonFCactuallyDec 02 08:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] And so I crossed the 2000 followers mark on googleplus. Thank you all for having me in your circles. I feel honoured.Dec 02 08:13
Diablo-D3they're zero power usage, zero heat output, silent due to no moving parts, and dont suffer from the non-linear access problemDec 02 08:13
Diablo-D33.5" 7200rpm drives can peak at 150mb/sec sequential readsDec 02 08:14
Diablo-D3cheap ssds can peak at that.Dec 02 08:14
Diablo-D3the difference is the real drive costs like 5x less per gb and you can buy them in 1 or 2TB modelsDec 02 08:14
Diablo-D3seriously, when I can buy 512gb or 1tb SSDs at what I pay for drives now? then Ill buy themDec 02 08:15
prurigroDiablo-D3: yea, cheap does not sound worth it at allDec 02 08:15
Diablo-D3btw, for the record, I dont use solo drivesDec 02 08:15
DaemonFC 02 08:15
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Diablo-D3I have a raid1 for booting and a raid5 for mass storage in my workstationDec 02 08:15
DaemonFCin German?Dec 02 08:16
DaemonFChmmmDec 02 08:16
Diablo-D3if a drive fails, its not a big deal.Dec 02 08:16
prurigroDiablo-D3: ahh yea, a raid1 would pretty much cover the durability aspect of a SSD, considering how often an HD actually failsDec 02 08:16
Diablo-D3in my box, its essnetially never.Dec 02 08:17
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DaemonFCbetterDec 02 08:17
prurigroDiablo-D3: you can do raid5 over a network too eh?Dec 02 08:17
Diablo-D3huh?Dec 02 08:17
Diablo-D3that question makes no senseDec 02 08:18
prurigrooh whoopsDec 02 08:18
prurigrosorry, I misreadDec 02 08:18
prurigromass storage vs network storageDec 02 08:18
Diablo-D3that still makes no senseDec 02 08:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] there really isn't any such thing right now to my knowledge. we're working on that, though, with Plasma Active.Dec 02 08:18
Diablo-D3raid5 is just a way to stripe data and error correction over drives so the failure of any single drive does not cause data lossDec 02 08:18
Diablo-D3you dont export the raw drives over the networkDec 02 08:19
prurigroDiablo-D3: yea, I just looked it up based on your reaction and I'd definitely misunderstood how raid5 worked- originally I'd thought it was drives where it actually talks arraysDec 02 08:19
prurigrooh hm, ok, your explanation is actually a bit closer to what I was thinking than how wikipedia describes itDec 02 08:20
Diablo-D3the individual drives do not store coherent dataDec 02 08:20
prurigrohmm, the explanation I'm looking at now seems to suggest that it spreads things across disks in such a manner that you can lose any one drive and be fine?Dec 02 08:21
Diablo-D3thats what I said, yes.Dec 02 08:21
prurigrokk, figured, but worth clarifying since I'd misunderstood the first time :)Dec 02 08:22
prurigroDiablo-D3: what do you do btw? You seem to know all sorts of things about pretty much everything computer relatedDec 02 08:22
prurigrousually people fine nichesDec 02 08:22
prurigrofind*Dec 02 08:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] for something you can just hack on, exoPC is easy but bulky, not really "mobile"; for ARM, check 02 08:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] gentle reminder: Plasma Bug Days start today at noon UTC (so.. in about 3.5 hours). come join us on #plasma!Dec 02 08:23
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Diablo-D3prurigro: I do everything, apparently.Dec 02 08:23
prurigroDiablo-D3: so it would seem hahaDec 02 08:23
prurigroDiablo-D3: well, until I have additional information I'll assume you're planning global conquestDec 02 08:25
Diablo-D3global conquest is too easyDec 02 08:26
prurigrowhat is it you desire then?Dec 02 08:26
Diablo-D3dunnoDec 02 08:29
prurigroI suppose you wouldn't know so much about everything if you knew what you wantedDec 02 08:30
prurigrobtw, anyone (including schestowitz) know where schestowitz is from? I've been killing myself trying to place his accentDec 02 08:32
prurigroits so familiar, yet not quite any of the ones that come to mindDec 02 08:32
Diablo-D3not sureDec 02 08:34
prurigrowell then- the mystery lives on :)Dec 02 08:35
cubezzzwhy not ask him?Dec 02 08:35
cubezzzhe'll probably pop in here soonDec 02 08:36
prurigroI never think about it when he's active, but hey- sounds good, he did say he was pulling an all nighter didn't heDec 02 08:36
Diablo-D3does he even sleep?Dec 02 08:36
prurigrodo any of us? :)Dec 02 08:37
prurigro40hours so far over hereDec 02 08:37
cubezzzI sleep 8 hours a day usuallyDec 02 08:37
prurigroluckyDec 02 08:37
Diablo-D3Im usually up 18-24, then sleep 8-10Dec 02 08:37
prurigroI'm closer to Diablo-D3's schedule normallyDec 02 08:38
cubezzzif I sleep less, I feel bad, if I sleep more, sameDec 02 08:38
prurigroI like that DMT drip that starts once the melatonin gives up and returns to the pineal gland for some metabolismDec 02 08:38
cubezzzstopped drinking coffeeDec 02 08:39
cubezzzwell, almost stoppedDec 02 08:39
cubezzzonce a week I supposeDec 02 08:39
prurigrocubezzz: you're on the right track- too little starves your happy receptors of 5-ht, while too much appears to cause over sensitization in some DA regions due to other NTs getting shut downDec 02 08:40
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prurigrocubezzz: I try to keep caffeine intake to a minimum as well-- has a nasty withdrawalDec 02 08:40
prurigroDiablo-D3: if your clock runs on a 36 hour cycle, you're telomeres technically shorten the same amount in 36 hours as someone with a 24 hour clock's do in 24hoursDec 02 08:42
prurigromeaning you actually age slowerDec 02 08:42
prurigroyour*Dec 02 08:43
cubezzzthat's a big differenceDec 02 08:44
cubezzzcircadian rhythms are supposedly on a 24-hour cycleDec 02 08:44
cubezzzat least, that feels more normal to meDec 02 08:44
prurigrocubezzz: I might be a bit off, but by the time you're 40, your biological age can be as low as ~30 and as high as 50Dec 02 08:45
prurigrocubezzz: typical circadian rhythms are 24 hoursDec 02 08:45
prurigrothey range though, and it seems correlated with mitosis (hence telomere shortening)Dec 02 08:45
cubezzzI've heard that sleeping a lot can make you age fasterDec 02 08:45
DaemonFC 02 08:45
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DaemonFC:)Dec 02 08:46
prurigroyou actually have two circadian rhythms, one based on light sensitivity while the other is completely cutoffDec 02 08:46
cubezzzI haven't heard that sleeping way less makes you age slower thoughDec 02 08:46
prurigrocubezzz: typically, you want to sleep the amount of hours your body is designed to sleepDec 02 08:46
prurigroyou need to get that extremely illegal drug DMT excreted into your system to trigger growth hormone release to encourage repairs as far as proper healing goes, and getting the correct amount of sleep allows this to happen + recovery in other directionsDec 02 08:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Government Representatives Using 'Cybersecurity,' 'Terrorism' As Excuses To Further Trample The Bill Of Rights 02 08:48
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DaemonFC"Either this judge is one of those ignorant old "internet is a series of tubes" farts, and should recuse himself, or he's been bribed by Sony and should be removed from the bench. Those are really the only two possibilities for him siding with Sony in light of such a perfect argument by the Plantiffs. " -meDec 02 08:48
DaemonFCedited it to add that :)Dec 02 08:48
prurigrocubezzz: so while sleeping for 12 hours might do you more harm than good, Diablo-D3 might do just as much harm getting 8 hourDec 02 08:49
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prurigrosDec 02 08:49
DaemonFCI'm glad I'm not a party to that lawsuitDec 02 08:50
prurigronot that we're talking about anything even remotely noteworthy compared to sun damage, stress, malnutrition etcDec 02 08:50
DaemonFCI could be held in contempt of the court for saying that if I wasDec 02 08:50
cubezzzI think sleep is important thoughDec 02 08:50
DaemonFCbut, you know it's trueDec 02 08:50
cubezzzof course eating right, exercising, vitamin D (sunlight) is important tooDec 02 08:51
DaemonFChe either has no clue about the case he's presiding overDec 02 08:51
DaemonFCor he's been bribed by SonyDec 02 08:51
prurigrocubezzz: too much sunlight is bad too thoughDec 02 08:51
prurigromy dad went to california when he was 35Dec 02 08:51
cubezzzlol, not much danger of that prurigro Dec 02 08:51
cubezzzus computer types are indoors a lotDec 02 08:51
prurigroand got ID'd literally everywhereDec 02 08:51
prurigroand lolDec 02 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @junkiesxl keytrade begint dat toch te snappen. Leren veel uit hun foutenDec 02 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp aha! Ik had het op mijn smartphone gewild die tegelijkertijd dienst doet als afstandsbediening.Dec 02 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @jensdehaese nee, ING is nog eens zoveel slechter.Dec 02 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp IP Control op uw digicorder eisen en zelf programma app bouwen met Helaas w http://ur1. ...Dec 02 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp "fucking" gebruiken om zin kracht bij te zetten lukt alleen met Justin Bieber. Een constructie b http://ur1. ...Dec 02 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @greetd je zit duidelijk niet bij ING. Ik zit ook bij keytrade en bnp paribas fortis. Wereld van verschil.Dec 02 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @Choisissez doet @xavez aan buikdansen?Dec 02 08:51
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prurigrocanada tooDec 02 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @erikmannens: Our #MediaFragments URI 1.0 Specification is just published as a #W3C Candidate Recom http://ur1. ...Dec 02 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp Er zijn genoeg business models in de open source/open data wereld om er nog geld uit te halen - http://ur1. ...Dec 02 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp hoezo? Dit draait enkel rond integratie met andere zaken zoals smartphone/domotica/bash-scriptjes...Dec 02 08:51
cubezzz:-/Dec 02 08:51
DaemonFCschestowitz: What do you think about Sony removing OtherOS?Dec 02 08:52
DaemonFCdo you agree with the Plantiffs (and my opinion) that a core feature was removed and that Sony is guilty of false advertising?Dec 02 08:52
DaemonFCor do you think that OtherOS somehow qualifies as a "service" subject to removal via their EULA?Dec 02 08:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp Amai! Straks word je nog opensourceactivistDec 02 08:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: Beste ING, als jullie denken dat je met zo een online interface kan concurreren met andere banken dan v http://ur1. ...Dec 02 08:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @tdelestre 4 x ingelogd om te zien dat rekeningafschriften niet gedownload kunnen worden door onderhoud http://ur1. ...Dec 02 08:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: Getting work done like a boss. #abouttimeDec 02 08:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp Dat zou ik nog in twijfel durven trekken. Openstellen is wss 1 instelling en een app schrijft @meon in no time.Dec 02 08:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: Soms vind ik discussies op twitter belangrijker dan studeren. Is dat ook een vorm van #procrastinatie?Dec 02 08:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @jenssegers meen je het? Wist ik niet...Dec 02 08:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @DirDigEng: EU Open Data Strategy press conference now re-scheduled for 5 December "TBC" 02 08:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @BartHanssens met de CEO gebabbeld op #ogdcamp in Warschau. Interessante man!Dec 02 08:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @swersanne super!Dec 02 08:53
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cubezzzok, can we stop the tweeting or whatever the hell it is?Dec 02 08:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Apple, #Samsung Dispute Likely To Turn On 1994 Knight-Ridder Tablet - now this could be significantDec 02 08:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Value Is In The Relationship, Not The MP3 File - is this so hard to understand? #businessmodelsDec 02 08:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MafiaaFire Just Killed All Current And Future #Copyright Industry #Censorship - yupDec 02 08:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Biggest Disruptive Tools to Come for Life Sciences...From Google? - as predicted in 2004 here: 02 09:00
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MinceRi have an ExpressCard SSD i wanted to use as root, but it overheats like a bitchDec 02 09:20
MinceRgeekingsDec 02 09:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @glynmoody: MafiaaFire Just Killed All Current And Future #Copyright Industry #Censorship - yupDec 02 09:25
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DaemonFCMinceR: Do you have a Phony Paystation?Dec 02 09:31
DaemonFC:)Dec 02 09:31
MinceRnopeDec 02 09:31
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DaemonFC"My problem with MINIX is not that it exists. My problem with MINIX is HOW it exists and that the attitude of Andrew Tanenbaum in most ways is more cantankerous and caustic than what I'm used to seeing out of FreeBSD developers and promoters.Dec 02 09:46
DaemonFCNot only does he have something that probably wouldn't exist in a free market, he tries to claim it is superior to what the free market has produced. The free market has produced and made popular Linux and the BSDs. No matter what side of that fence you're on, they have succeeded where they have succeeded on their own merit without the assistance of monopolies or government welfare.The European Union giving Tanenbaum a grant is the high tech Dec 02 09:46
DaemonFCequivalent of paying someone to dig ditches and fill them back in when they're done.Dec 02 09:46
DaemonFCI would say Tanenbaum probably fits the bill for a "small government for thee and not for me" conservative. Those types tend to blast the government for corporate welfare and bailouts that don't improve the economy, but only when they're not the ones benefiting from the handout." -meDec 02 09:46
DaemonFC:)Dec 02 09:46
DaemonFCMINIX is a welfare caseDec 02 09:47
DaemonFCit's novel, but not usefulDec 02 09:47
MinceRi thought it was an educational case studyDec 02 09:47
DaemonFChe even put it under a free to steal license trying to get people to use it instead of LinuxDec 02 09:47
MinceRTanenbaum's bad attitude makes that worse, thoughDec 02 09:47
DaemonFCand the people that have a problem with the GPL still tend to license VxworksDec 02 09:47
MinceRwhy not one of the bsd-s?Dec 02 09:49
DaemonFCit happensDec 02 09:50
DaemonFCbut embedded systems tend to be Linux or VxworksDec 02 09:50
DaemonFCat least from what I typically run intoDec 02 09:50
DaemonFCI've never seen anything embedded that shows any sign of running MINIXDec 02 09:51
DaemonFCif it doesn, they've gone to great lengths to hide the fact that they use itDec 02 09:51
DaemonFC*doesDec 02 09:51
DaemonFCwhich makes me wonder if MINIX is ever used in production at allDec 02 09:51
DaemonFCor if it's a Plan 9 type academic OSDec 02 09:52
DaemonFCthat features some ideas for things you could put into practice elsewhere but generally is not directly usedDec 02 09:52
MinceRiirc even MINIX3 is seriously lacking in modern OS featuresDec 02 09:52
DaemonFCit has some interesting ideas, but most of them come at too high a priceDec 02 09:53
DaemonFCwhich is why you never see anyone else doing things that wayDec 02 09:53
DaemonFCI'd like to see a microkernel system scaling to over 4,000 processorsDec 02 09:54
DaemonFCor managing terabytes of memoryDec 02 09:54
DaemonFCas far as I know, nobody has done thatDec 02 09:54
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prurigroI'd like to second cubezzz's comment about ending the feedbot-- maybe we could have a #techrights-feed channel or something, for pure feeds and no convo?Dec 02 10:04
msb__I'm a very minor participant here, but if the feedbot is the thing that prints out all those "<TechrightsBot-tr>" and  "[Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights" lines in this channel then I'd like to keep it.  The conversations are good, but I've often found some very interesting news from those notices.  Having both together keeps either from being boring.Dec 02 10:08
msb__Also, those new items sometimes stimulate conversation topics.Dec 02 10:10
msb__new->newsDec 02 10:10
MinceRmsb__: would a separate channel keep that from working?Dec 02 10:20
prurigromsb__: I agree, the feedbot has good news, but it also dumps like 30 stories at once sometimes which can fragment conversation-- would two channels not make sense?Dec 02 10:20
prurigro:)Dec 02 10:20
MinceRwe could copy the lines we're reacting to here, and talk about them hereDec 02 10:20
Brendan_Ti like having links spewed at me too, but no the identica posts which are random convos or useless commentsDec 02 10:21
MinceRmeanwhile the feed channel could be moderated, with the bots having voice or opDec 02 10:21
prurigroif anything, I sometimes miss articles because they blend in with conversation text as often as articles disrupt conversationDec 02 10:21
msb__I could certainly do without the news lines that have no links.  They're pretty useless.Dec 02 10:22
prurigroMinceR: I like that idea-- op/voice could be exclusive to bots in there, and exclusive to contributing members in hereDec 02 10:22
DaemonFC 02 10:22
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DaemonFCthe only users of GCC 4.2 are Apple and BSDsDec 02 10:23
DaemonFCto avoid the GPL 3Dec 02 10:23
prurigroseems everyone agrees about the conversation feedsDec 02 10:23
prurigrobesides, we'll still have the DaemonFC feedDec 02 10:23
MinceRlolDec 02 10:23
msb__But with the non-link news lines removed, that would be less interruption of conversations.Dec 02 10:23
prurigro:) (all love DaemonFC)Dec 02 10:23
msb__So maybe we could be happy with both here in one channel.Dec 02 10:23
msb__Somehow I don't think I'd pay as much attention to two channels, requiring flipping back and forth.Dec 02 10:24
prurigromsb__: I'd be willing to try without the non-links to see how much of an improvement that isDec 02 10:24
msb__I everyone's IRC client supports scrolling backwards, its easy to follow interrupted conversations.Dec 02 10:24
msb__prurigro: Great!Dec 02 10:24
msb__I->IfDec 02 10:25
prurigromsb__: right now its pretty annoying, even with scrollback- but why not try the simple solution before going for the hardcore one right?Dec 02 10:25
prurigrois it just schestowitz that has powers over the feedbots?Dec 02 10:26
msb__prurigro: Yes, and I think having both together gives an advantage, like hybrid vigor.Dec 02 10:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Referenzen zu #DRM und #Antifeatures gesucht und auf von #BPB gestoßen #Wissenskontrolle durch #DRMDec 02 10:26
msb__Both together are better than each separately.  For example, news items suggesting conversation topics.Dec 02 10:26
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msb__They sure have for me.Dec 02 10:27
prurigromsb__: that said, I don't think two channels would be any worse for the wear- but an unnecessary measure if it would have been fine withoutDec 02 10:27
DaemonFCUbuntuDec 02 10:27
DaemonFCThe default music player has been switched to Rhythmbox. There is no UbuntuOne Music Store yet, this still needs to be ported to GTK 3. Dec 02 10:27
DaemonFCLubuntuDec 02 10:27
DaemonFCLubuntu switched to Lightdm for the standard display manager. Dec 02 10:27
prurigroDaemonFC: they couldn't just go with gtk2?Dec 02 10:27
DaemonFCewww, nastyDec 02 10:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] R» @parlementum: The #linux-libre 3.1.4-1 kernel is out in the wild on #parabolaDec 02 10:28
DaemonFCno Kubuntu 12.04 alpha 1 Dec 02 10:29
DaemonFCbut the daily builds are being madeDec 02 10:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EDRi launches complaint on lack of #transparency of European Parliament on #ACTA - well done them (v @jmcest)Dec 02 10:30
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prurigromsb__: yea, I guess like anything else its all about balance in the endDec 02 10:30
prurigroyou want enough to inspire conversation when there isn't any, but not so much that it'll get in the way when there isDec 02 10:31
prurigroI haven't been watching closely enough to see how many are links vs those strange conversationsDec 02 10:31
prurigroschestowitz: when you catch this conversation, what do you think?Dec 02 10:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] This video definitely puts the pepper spray thing in perspective. As always, truth is not simple. Watch it please. http... 02 10:33
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msb__prurigro: Looks like about half and half.  There are spews of each.Dec 02 10:33
prurigromsb__: I think if it staggered them, it would be better tooDec 02 10:34
prurigroit seems like it waits some period, like 20 minutes or whateverDec 02 10:34
prurigroand then dumps all the updated postsDec 02 10:34
msb__Could be.Dec 02 10:34
prurigrochecking every 5 minutes might be better practiceDec 02 10:34
msb__Easy enough to have the bot check for the strings "http" and "https" to decide what to post here.Dec 02 10:35
msb__prurigro: Checking more often -- very good idea!Dec 02 10:36
msb__No downside to that.Dec 02 10:36
prurigroexcept possibly bandwidth? though that's only assuming there are no updates sometimesDec 02 10:36
msb__Not sure what you mean, but text takes very little bandwidth.Dec 02 10:37
prurigroand the effort to check even lessDec 02 10:37
prurigrotrue thatDec 02 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: Conservatives Defeat Lib, NDP Bid to Block C-11: is there room 4 compromise on digital locks & fair dealing? ...Dec 02 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: ACP:"..who circumvent TPMs but do not distribute unlocked materials or otherwise infringe on copyright in a fair-dealing co ...Dec 02 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: RT @Mark_Goldberg: RT @michaeloliveira: Bell has joined Rogers and Telus in saying it does not use Carrier IQ #cdntechDec 02 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: RT @csoghoian: Massive cache of surveillance industry docs (collaboration btwn Wikileaks, Privacy Intl & Bugged http://ur1. ...Dec 02 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: RT @publicknowledge: PK to Copyright Office: Let People Rip Their Own DVDs 02 10:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: RT @ARLpolicy: The #PATRIOTAct is dragging down U.S. cloud technology companies as they compete abroad. 02 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: The Daily Digital Lock Dissenter, Day 42: Association of Canadian Publishers - reps 135 Cdn owned publishers ...Dec 02 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: RT @sunil_abraham: RT @thornet: Map of internet, phone & SMS monitoring, GPS tracking and trojan software by co http://ur1. ...Dec 02 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: ACP: "Penalties for circumventing TPMs must apply only to cases of actual infringement. There is no merit in pe http://ur1. ...Dec 02 10:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: RT @JohnIbbitson: upcoming Tory bill could let cops watch your every online move. 02 10:38
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prurigrololDec 02 10:38
msb__They're all the same kind of line, but a few have links and the rest don't.Dec 02 10:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: RT @fightpiracy: Copyright Corruption Scandal Surrounds Anti-Piracy Campaign 02 10:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: RT @MobileSyrup: Rogers and Telus confirm that Carrier IQ is not present on their devices 02 10:40
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prurigromsb__: yea, the others seem like tweetsDec 02 10:41
prurigromaybe there could be a twitter list for techrights that people can subscribe to if they want to view all the people being followedDec 02 10:41
msb__followed?Dec 02 10:42
prurigrotwitter for subscribing to their feedDec 02 10:42
prurigrotwitter has lists where techrights could 'follow' 10 people say, and if someone was so inclined they could subscribe to that list to see all 10 people's feedsDec 02 10:43
msb__Those are the people whose tweets/dents we're seeing here?Dec 02 10:43
DaemonFC"Note: You do not have DSL Internet service on this account, so there is no usage to measure."Dec 02 10:43
DaemonFCDSL is the only thing I have on that accountDec 02 10:44
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prurigrothe most recent one has xface saying RT which means 're-tweet'Dec 02 10:45
prurigroI've assumed the rest :)Dec 02 10:45
msb__From one of those linked pages: "A musician who composed a track for use at a local film festival later found it being used without permission in an anti-piracy campaign. He is now claiming at least a million euros"Dec 02 10:48
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msb__It was such a relief 11 years ago when I switched from bought software to free software.  Imagine how much simpler life would be with free media.Dec 02 10:49
prurigromsb__: hey, that's when I switched too- twins!Dec 02 10:50
prurigrothe upcoming xp didn't impress you either?Dec 02 10:50
msb__Maybe just charge everybody a little more for bandwidth and distribute that money to the artists, actors, and production companies.Dec 02 10:50
prurigroI disagree with that philosophyDec 02 10:51
msb__I don't think I got beyond Windows 3.1.Dec 02 10:51
prurigrocanada tried something similar with a tax on mp3players and cdrsDec 02 10:51
msb__I was on a modem hookup from home to a Unix system at a university.Dec 02 10:51
msb__I wrote a terminal program in BASIC that could up/download files.Dec 02 10:52
prurigrothat assumes both that people are using their internet connection for music etc and that the specific artists represented by whichever organization is getting the cheque are the ones being listened too-- basically destroys competition :)Dec 02 10:52
prurigroword, so you stuck with that and dos until xp was practically out?Dec 02 10:53
msb__Until I heard about this "Linux" thing.Dec 02 10:53
DaemonFCMarco Biscaro (marcobiscaro2112) wrote on 2011-06-17: #4Dec 02 10:53
DaemonFCThis is a valid issue. There is another discussion here in launchpad about the search results in "Available for Download" section (like PornView being shown when you search by 'movie').Dec 02 10:53
DaemonFC:)Dec 02 10:54
msb__No, actually I switched to a commercial Unix system for some years.  Forgot about that.Dec 02 10:54
msb__Still via modem.Dec 02 10:54
prurigromsb__: via university?Dec 02 10:55
msb__Unix (Linux) on my own PC was amazing!Dec 02 10:55
msb__I had my PC at home, and first modemed to university Unix (which cost money for connect time), and then modemed to a commercial online service that also had Unix.Dec 02 10:56
prurigroI cant remember if you'd told me which distro you'd started with last we'd chatted?Dec 02 10:57
msb__Then got an ISP, still via modem, I think, and soon via cable-tv which was much faster.Dec 02 10:57
msb__Suse, and have always stayed with it.Dec 02 10:58
prurigrowhat year was this?Dec 02 10:58
msb__I guess about 2000.Dec 02 10:58
Diablo-D3[03:42:15] <prurigro> Diablo-D3: if your clock runs on a 36 hour cycle, you're telomeres technically shorten the same amount in 36 hours as someone with a 24 hour clock's do in 24hoursDec 02 10:58
Diablo-D3yes, but for some reason I get pissed faster.Dec 02 10:58
DaemonFCThe town has finally implemented a suggestion I made last yearDec 02 10:58
prurigroDiablo-D3: this is an entirely different system my friend :)Dec 02 10:58
DaemonFCregarding trash pickupDec 02 10:58
DaemonFCissue 96 gallon trash containers to each houseDec 02 10:59
DaemonFCinvest in one of those trucks that just picks them up with a set of forksDec 02 10:59
DaemonFCthat way you only need one worker per truckDec 02 10:59
prurigroDiablo-D3: is it an aggressive pissed, or a frustrated one?Dec 02 10:59
DaemonFCand they can pick trash up about half again as fast per truckDec 02 10:59
msb__prurigro: I never used MS-Windows at home.  Just PC-DOS and terminal emulator, and then Linux.Dec 02 11:00
prurigromsb__: is suse rolling these days?Dec 02 11:00
prurigrolucky you :)Dec 02 11:00
prurigroprobably saved much theoretical headacheDec 02 11:00
msb__I think it's doing ok.Dec 02 11:00
msb__I'm still using KDE3 because the multiple desktops don't work in KDE4.Dec 02 11:01
DaemonFCthere was Desqview XDec 02 11:01
DaemonFCfor DOSDec 02 11:01
DaemonFCit let you run X11 on DOSDec 02 11:01
prurigromsb__: I meant rolling release, rather hahaDec 02 11:01
msb__Suse has a KDE3 repo.Dec 02 11:01
prurigroI'm sure it's rollin'Dec 02 11:01
msb__It may have that, but people in the Suse IRC recommend against it.Dec 02 11:02
prurigroahh, yea, if its not built to be rolling, its not a good idea to force itDec 02 11:02
msb__I wrote a big program using Desqview (not -X).Dec 02 11:02
msb__I'm very conservative about version upgrades.  It always takes me at least a week to get all my scripts and such running again.Dec 02 11:03
prurigromsb__: that's why I like rolling distrosDec 02 11:03
prurigroafter trying to use builtin upgrade tools with numerous distros at first, I started simply formatting and starting overDec 02 11:04
msb__I like to have all the pain at once.  8^)Dec 02 11:04
prurigrothen I switched to gentooDec 02 11:04
prurigrohaha, there's not much pain when you're rollingDec 02 11:04
prurigroeverything's slow, so the people testing run into all errors quickly and fix themDec 02 11:05
prurigroupgrading everything at once leaves so many bugs there are bound to be a bunch that go unnoticedDec 02 11:05
msb__I just wait a few months.Dec 02 11:05
msb__I guess I'm a leech.Dec 02 11:05
prurigrohaha, naw- some people want stuff earlier, other people want stabilityDec 02 11:06
prurigroboth groups are fairDec 02 11:06
msb__Although when I found bugs in KDE4, nobody was interested.Dec 02 11:06
prurigrointerestingDec 02 11:06
prurigrono bug tracker?Dec 02 11:07
msb__I mentioned the problems in their IRC channel, and the basically told me it was my problem, not theirs.Dec 02 11:07
msb__You can't read the desktop names in the desktop-pager applet in KDE4.Dec 02 11:08
msb__They said I had bad eyes.Dec 02 11:08
msb__Also KDE4 insists on the Phonon sound system that doesn't work with my 5 or so year old ASUS mobo, which is fine with ALSA.Dec 02 11:09
prurigrohmm, I don't find irc is a very good place to report bugsDec 02 11:10
prurigroin generalDec 02 11:10
msb__Various people (including Brandon/Ender) told me it was my fault for having an old computer.Dec 02 11:10
prurigrousually just a bunch of usersDec 02 11:10
prurigroBrandon and Ender eh?Dec 02 11:10
prurigrowhat was the issue?Dec 02 11:10
prurigroor waitDec 02 11:10
prurigroyou mentioned itDec 02 11:10
msb__In the KDE channel they were some sort of authorities.Dec 02 11:11
prurigrohmm, this sounds like maybe a font issue?Dec 02 11:11
msb__Brandon Lozza = EnderDec 02 11:11
prurigroohhh, I thought you meant the other BrandonDec 02 11:11
prurigrotouche thoughDec 02 11:11
msb__Each button in the desktop pager in KDE4 contains lots of little rectangles showing the size and location of the windows in that desktop.  Dec 02 11:12
prurigroI'd be surprised if everything worked except the names on the desktop pagerDec 02 11:12
prurigrobecause your compy was too oldDec 02 11:12
prurigroif anything you'd just not get plasma or whatever their effects system is calledDec 02 11:13
msb__THe names are there in a skinny font, but those rectangles obscure them, and they can't be removed.Dec 02 11:13
prurigroohhhDec 02 11:13
msb__No, had nothing to do with compositing.Dec 02 11:13
msb__Which I never use.Dec 02 11:13
prurigrowaitDec 02 11:13
prurigroand which part didn't show up?Dec 02 11:13
msb__The desktop names were just obscured by the mini-window rectangles in the pager buttons -- visual noise.Dec 02 11:14
msb__Like lots of scribbles.Dec 02 11:14
msb__If you had no windows in a desktop, there'd be no rectangles in the button and you could read the name.Dec 02 11:15
prurigrohmmm, I bet you it has something to do with non-compositing not being tested as thoroughly or somethingDec 02 11:15
prurigroI remember I had almost the reverse problem in gnomeDec 02 11:15
msb__how so?Dec 02 11:16
prurigrowith compiz fusion since it was developed for use withoutDec 02 11:16
msb__I grew up using teletypes to communicate with computers.Dec 02 11:16
prurigroall the windows would appear compressed along a single desktop that made up the cubeDec 02 11:16
msb__I want the UI to be functional, not entertaining.Dec 02 11:17
msb__For visual entertainment I watch a movie.Dec 02 11:17
prurigrohahaDec 02 11:17
prurigroI'm surprised you don't use xfce?Dec 02 11:17
prurigroa friend of mine actually uses a cool setupDec 02 11:18
msb__I have 20 desktops -- Mail, Music Personal, Linux, Science, Website, etc.Dec 02 11:18
msb__People keep telling me that.  I'll have to try it sometime.Dec 02 11:18
prurigrobasically has no window decorations, and he has a terminal + firefox sharing a screenDec 02 11:18
prurigrofirefox has vim bindings, and the terminal has all his apps screen'dDec 02 11:19
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prurigro20!Dec 02 11:19
prurigrowowDec 02 11:19
msb__Interesting, but too retro for me.Dec 02 11:19
prurigrono cmus for you? :)Dec 02 11:19
msb__cmu?Dec 02 11:19
prurigrocmus = command line rhythmbox/amarok like music playerDec 02 11:20
prurigrothen you can irc in a term, and use a plugin to get IM in ircDec 02 11:21
prurigrodevelopment of course takes place in a termDec 02 11:21
msb__I have about 5-10 windows -- konsoles with mc in them, firefox, and other programs -- in each desktop, and about 10 in all the desktops.Dec 02 11:21
prurigrono tmux?Dec 02 11:21
msb__tmux?Dec 02 11:21
prurigroomg, you don't know tmux?Dec 02 11:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Linux Torvalds seems to be softening his attitude to !Gnome 3 02 11:21
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prurigroyou know screen right?Dec 02 11:22
iophktmux is a simpler terminal multiplexer than screen.Dec 02 11:22
msb__I'm fine with X.  Dec 02 11:22
iophkscreen's a lot more configurable and powerful.Dec 02 11:22
prurigroiophk: simpler to use, but it does moreDec 02 11:22
prurigrohmm, can you configure screen to scrollback?Dec 02 11:22
prurigrocopy/paste?Dec 02 11:22
prurigromsb__: no sshing into remote boxes?Dec 02 11:23
msb__For development I just use multiple konsole/mc windows looking at the various files.Dec 02 11:23
msb__Nope.Dec 02 11:23
prurigrowordDec 02 11:23
prurigroone of the good things about screen/tmux is that you can close the window, and your session continues to runDec 02 11:24
oiaohmprurigro: tmux is mostly bsd users.  gnu screen is basically the gnu mirror to it.Dec 02 11:24
oiaohmprurigro: its common for a lot of Linux people not to know tmuxDec 02 11:24
iophkI thought tmux was much newer.Dec 02 11:24
oiaohmlike its common for a lot of bsd people not to know gnu screen.Dec 02 11:24
prurigrooiaohm: no kidding-- I could never get screen to scroll back- and yea, I thought tmux was newer too iophkDec 02 11:24
msb__I just use ftp to upload files to my website.Dec 02 11:24
prurigromsb__, I recently discovered lftp-- use it?Dec 02 11:25
msb__I use gFTPDec 02 11:25
prurigroahh hahaDec 02 11:25
prurigrolftp has a cool mirror functionDec 02 11:25
prurigrothat only updates changed filesDec 02 11:25
prurigroif you have a local and remote copyDec 02 11:26
msb__Actually, I think mc (which I use constantly) will do ftp, but don't know if it will do secure ftp.Dec 02 11:26
prurigrosftp is essentially sshDec 02 11:26
oiaohmprurigro: ever seen neercsDec 02 11:27
prurigrooiaohm: that I have not-- what is it?Dec 02 11:27
msb__I write the html for my web pages by hand.  But for this one I wrote a bash script to translate from a text file:Dec 02 11:27
prurigromsb__: by hand is the only way to fly- and hmm?Dec 02 11:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Billionaire patent troll Paul Allen wants science data to be opened up So even hypocrites can be right twice a day?Dec 02 11:28
oiaohmprurigro: its screen spelt backwards and it also a very warped project.  Particularly the code licenseDec 02 11:28
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DaemonFChave to take my mom to the hospital in a few hoursDec 02 11:29
DaemonFChaven't slept since WednesdayDec 02 11:29
MinceRnc 23Dec 02 11:29
DaemonFCunless you count passing out in front of her TV For about 20 minutesDec 02 11:29
msb__DaemonFC: You shouldn't drive sleepy.Dec 02 11:30
DaemonFCI've drove on less sleepDec 02 11:30
prurigrooiaohm: lol! that sounds awesomeDec 02 11:30
msb__You can die.  I almost did.Dec 02 11:30
prurigroconsidered it downloadedDec 02 11:30
DaemonFCI can stay awake for about a weekDec 02 11:31
prurigroDaemonFC: why no sleep?Dec 02 11:31
oiaohmprurigro: there is also byobu what is a configuration tool for gnu screen to make it more friendly. 02 11:31
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DaemonFCshe broke her legDec 02 11:32
DaemonFCso I do everything I'm supposed to and a lot of her stuff until she gets better Dec 02 11:32
oiaohmprurigro: basically that is the 4 combinations.   ie tmux, neercs, screen and byobu controlling screen that you will find people using.Dec 02 11:32
oiaohmprurigro: of course a lot of people don't know the full set of them.Dec 02 11:33
prurigrooiaohm: you don't say-- so do you know if screen can do scrollback? that's one of the primary reasons I switched to tmux.. I don't actually use copy/paste muchDec 02 11:33
prurigrooiaohm, yea, I'd only known about screen and tmux till tonightDec 02 11:33
oiaohmprurigro: Yes it can be got todo scroll back.  Configuring it to do so is a pain in the but without byoduDec 02 11:33
oiaohmprurigro: the manual way of setting the scroll back in screen. 02 11:35
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msb__DaemonFC:   5,000 ug vitamin K-2 Menatetrenone -- Nature's Life Vitamin K2 -- very good for bone strength.Dec 02 11:35
prurigrooiaohm: arch is grabbing neercs-- does byodu configure that as well?Dec 02 11:35
oiaohmprurigro: no neercs and screen are completely not releated programs so byodu will not work with it.Dec 02 11:36
msb__Removes calcium from blood-vessel walls (hardened arteries) and puts it in bones where it belongs.Dec 02 11:36
prurigroahh kkDec 02 11:36
oiaohmprurigro: basically neercs was started by people pissed off with screen.Dec 02 11:36
prurigrooiaohm: pissed off about its lack of rotating desktop? hahaDec 02 11:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] R» @bernat: Oh, I'd rather hear Linus talk about the kernel than desktopsDec 02 11:36
oiaohmprurigro: tmux was basically started in the bsd camp who wanted something with a non gpl but not something with neercs with a license not tested in court.Dec 02 11:37
prurigrooh so tmux is more recent then?Dec 02 11:37
oiaohmYes tmux is the most recent.Dec 02 11:37
prurigroword-- kk yea, that makes sense; and if it's got anything on screen I'd say its that the default options are ++Dec 02 11:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] R» @robmyers @glynmoody: MafiaaFire Just Killed All Current And Future #Copyright Industry #Censorship - 02 11:38
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prurigrooh word, neercs has its own termDec 02 11:39
prurigronot designed for ssh clearly :)Dec 02 11:39
oiaohmprurigro: They are all good fun.Dec 02 11:40
oiaohmprurigro: particuarly when you stack them inside each other.Dec 02 11:40
prurigrohmm, yea, I'm playing with the various 'WM's-- very coolDec 02 11:40
prurigroI can see why this might have needed its own setupDec 02 11:41
oiaohmReally these days I use terminals less and less. prurigroDec 02 11:41
msb__Wow, this is interesting: 02 11:41
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oiaohmI am more likely to be using cfengine prurigro  Mostly because I can send instructions as blocks with some logic at the other end. Dec 02 11:42
prurigrooiaohm: cfengine?Dec 02 11:43
oiaohmand not have the night mare of being halfway threw a set of instructions and finding I have killed hte network connection some how.Dec 02 11:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] This video definitely puts the pepper spray thing in perspective. As always, truth is not simple. Watch it please. UPDA... 02 11:43
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prurigrohaha, wouldn't that be where screen tmux come in?Dec 02 11:43 is configuration manaagement.  prurigroDec 02 11:45
oiaohmSo you can template system configurations and basically just order templates to be applied to machines.Dec 02 11:45
prurigrooh cool-- catering to xen setups?Dec 02 11:46
oiaohmIt can be used to control a xen setups it really does not care.  It job it to apply configuration setting with some brains about doing it.Dec 02 11:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Google says: 在迦南美地喝咖啡 => "Ground coffee in the United States of Canaan" #LOL #mistranslated #translation #errorDec 02 11:48
prurigrointeresting-- I don't think I'd use it to manage personal serversDec 02 11:48
prurigrobut for corporate setups that'd be a dreamDec 02 11:48
oiaohmprurigro: advantage is if you have done in by cfengine or equal ie most people here of puppet same kind of software just different maker.Dec 02 11:49
oiaohmIs that you have exact logs what the hell you messed with.Dec 02 11:49
oiaohmSo making it many times simpler to fix up that typo that just sent system to hell.Dec 02 11:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] In a sign that regulation might work after all, it seems no UK networks have installed Carrier IQ. I'm guessing this is 02 11:50
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prurigrooh man, yea, logs are totally key if you're making changes to the file system or configurationDec 02 11:50
prurigroand web based = sweet remote freedomDec 02 11:51
oiaohmcfengine equals nicely hard for attackers to find.Dec 02 11:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] How does politics work? Lobbyists ask for 500%. Politicians tone it down to 300%. Public outrage brings it down to 200%... 02 11:53
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oiaohmprurigro: reason you can run the web based policy editor of cfengine locally and just send the instruction files to server encrypted when you are read for the server to implement them.Dec 02 11:54
oiaohmprurigro: and cfengine can be smart enough not to try to run a part a instruction set.Dec 02 11:54
prurigroahh, so either the whole thing or nothing?Dec 02 11:55
prurigroI guess your weakest link at that point is the person using itDec 02 11:56
oiaohmprurigro: Depends on how the server is set.Dec 02 11:56
prurigrosecurity wiseDec 02 11:56
oiaohmcfengine can be set to check if the instructions are signed by a valid person.Dec 02 11:56
oiaohmAnd that they are a complete set of instructions.Dec 02 11:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Carrier IQ Spyware Discovered in Millions of Phones - The #iPhone has it too - #carrieriq #surveillance #mobile 02 11:56
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oiaohmand if it does get a part set email out hey that set was stuffed or other wise inform the admin of the issue prurigroDec 02 11:57
oiaohmYes you could have the server irc you or jabber you or sms you.Dec 02 11:57
prurigrooh funDec 02 11:59
prurigrothat finally sounds like a decent web based admin toolDec 02 11:59
oiaohmReally these are not 100 percent webbased.Dec 02 12:01
prurigrooh?Dec 02 12:01
oiaohmIe I can brew up a cfengine template file locally using a text editorDec 02 12:01
oiaohmTest it in a local chrootDec 02 12:01
oiaohmThen if it works sent to a remote server.Dec 02 12:01
prurigrowait, it can interact with local configs?Dec 02 12:01
oiaohmYep.Dec 02 12:02
oiaohmThis is full blown configuration management.Dec 02 12:02
oiaohmAlso cfengine can tell you if anything has been changed from the settings it was told to set as well.Dec 02 12:03
msb__ 02 12:04
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prurigrosweet- hmm, I gotta take my gf to the train station, but I'm def gonna take a better look at this when I get back-- thx for the cool info oiaohmDec 02 12:04
msb__It can rule the World!Dec 02 12:04
prurigrolol msb__ Dec 02 12:05
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msb__My computer has 1,000 times the clock speed and 10,000 times as much RAM as my original IBM-PC.Dec 02 12:09
msb__And there are 1000 things going on in the computer world that I've never heard of!Dec 02 12:09
oiaohmmsb__: I guess x86 risc chipDec 02 12:13
oiaohmIf intel you have microcode translation between you and the real cpu doing the work.Dec 02 12:13
msb__Intel 8088 vs AMD 64X2 something or other.Dec 02 12:13
oiaohmAMD 64x2 are risc chips as well internally with a translator that converts from x86 to internal risc.Dec 02 12:14
msb__Interesting!Dec 02 12:15
oiaohmYes arm is more power effective than x86 partly because it does not have to be translating from one arch to another.Dec 02 12:15
msb__I guess CISC instructions are denser.Dec 02 12:15
oiaohm486 was the last non risc chips made by intel.Dec 02 12:15
oiaohmIt was more avoiding have to rewite every application msb__Dec 02 12:16
MinceRit would be nice if they exposed a risc instruction set as wellDec 02 12:16
Diablo-D3[05:59:40] <prurigro> Diablo-D3: is it an aggressive pissed, or a frustrated one?Dec 02 12:16
Diablo-D3an all consuming hateDec 02 12:17
oiaohmMinceR: not really then they have to build in special handling for duel instruction set.Dec 02 12:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] America is doomed. 02 12:18
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msb__oiaohm: It's all optimized with the lookahead and multiple execution units.Dec 02 12:18
MinceRit would enable rrr addressing thoughDec 02 12:18
MinceRperhaps even same-length instructions as long as the cpu remains in risc modeDec 02 12:19
MinceR(though that might be a mixed blessing)Dec 02 12:19
oiaohmmsb__: good in theory.  Bad in reality.Dec 02 12:19
oiaohmmsb__: there is a lot of cases with a x86 chip guess the lookahead wrong.Dec 02 12:19
oiaohmmsb__: so now has to process CISC so it can go on.  This is why intel added hyperthreading.Dec 02 12:20
oiaohmso in a case of opps we guessed wrong the hit would not be as bad.Dec 02 12:20
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msb__Amazing!  I  just hold on for the ride!Dec 02 12:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] LOL 02 12:23
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oiaohmBiggest mistake arm had was that the processor did not support out of order processing of information.Dec 02 12:23
oiaohmIe if arm turned out to be missing something it had to stop until the ram could provide it even it still had some code it could been running.Dec 02 12:24
oiaohmThat it knew would be run.Dec 02 12:24
MinceRthe compiler can deal with that, can it not?Dec 02 12:24
oiaohmout of order processing requirement happens no matter how good you complier is MinceRDec 02 12:25
MinceRorder the instructions at compile-time so you know the arch you're targeting will be able to process them with minimal delayDec 02 12:25
oiaohmA in order cpu must processes the instructions in the order it gets them.Dec 02 12:26
oiaohmThat is the problem.Dec 02 12:26
oiaohmIe you want to read some data from a memory address MinceRDec 02 12:26
oiaohmData from memory address is not in cpuDec 02 12:26
oiaohmSo everything stops in a in order processor until that can be read.Dec 02 12:26
MinceRicDec 02 12:27
oiaohmout of order can skip on to processing the next things down the line.Dec 02 12:27
oiaohmSo giving time for the memory controller to get the data.Dec 02 12:27
oiaohm  This is also a very interesting read.Dec 02 12:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Google trends, at the moment are a lot more serious than Twitter trends. Items like #NATO and #Burma are actually worth... 02 12:28
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oiaohmYep CPU have got faster but ram is turning into a snail.  Driving cpu designers up wall.Dec 02 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @sochack: To już jutro! Zaczynamy o 9:00 (w Audytorium Centralnym Wydziału Elektroniki i Technik Informacyjnych) na Politechnice WwaDec 02 12:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Author Charlie Stross explains how paranoid publishers demanding DRM have handed the e-book market to Amazon: 02 13:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] So what's the client du jour for on Fedora 16? #lazyweb, please help :-)Dec 02 13:30
prurigrooiaohm: byobu seems to use tmux by default nowDec 02 13:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] New report: Communities of passion #collaboration #hackmanagement @ruhbehkaDec 02 13:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Does anyone know if Phone Search Central is a scam? If it does what it says on the tin, I'm quite concerned. It would m... 02 13:38
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XFaCEprurigro: hiDec 02 13:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] dear !lazyweb - I cannot seem to get #Apache !httpd #Redirect working with ProxyPass and ProxyReversePass directives. missing something?Dec 02 13:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #OFT launches investigation into #Groupon advertisements 02 14:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] This video definitely puts the pepper spray thing in perspective. As always, truth is not simple. Watch it please. UPDA... 02 14:03
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*XFaCE * Client: XChat-WDK 1498-3 (x86)Dec 02 14:03
*XFaCE * OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Dec 02 14:03
*XFaCE * CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 350 @ 2.27GHz (2.00 GHz)Dec 02 14:03
*XFaCE * RAM: 3501 MB Total (1862 MB Free)Dec 02 14:03
*XFaCE * VGA: Intel(R) HD GraphicsDec 02 14:03
*XFaCE * Uptime: 0.34 HoursDec 02 14:04
MinceRಠ_ಠDec 02 14:04
XFaCEdid you see that MinceR ?Dec 02 14:05
MinceRi didDec 02 14:07
XFaCEboth things?Dec 02 14:07
MinceRi saw 6 lines of sysinfo action spamDec 02 14:07
XFaCEoh, not the ping?Dec 02 14:08
XFaCEMinceR: I was testing new xchat pluginsDec 02 14:08
MinceRapparently not the pingDec 02 14:08
XFaCEcd windowsDec 02 14:09
XFaCElolDec 02 14:09
MinceRC:\Windows>Dec 02 14:09
XFaCEit's this exec pluginDec 02 14:09
XFaCEI tried running the command promptDec 02 14:09
XFaCEpretty uselessDec 02 14:10
XFaCE[09:08]  Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]Dec 02 14:10
XFaCE[09:08]  Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.Dec 02 14:10
XFaCE[09:08]  Dec 02 14:10
XFaCE[09:08]  C:\Program Files\XChat-WDK>Dec 02 14:10
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XFaCEMinceR: are you using xchat?Dec 02 14:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Diese Abmahnanwälte haben anscheinend kein Problem Leute zu identifizieren, warum also schreien die Behörden nach #VDS? KopfschüttelDec 02 14:13
XFaCEMinceR: Oh, command line guy huh?Dec 02 14:18
XFaCE;)Dec 02 14:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Kernel prepatch 3.2-rc4 02 14:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] QEMU 1.0 released 02 14:25
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MinceRXFaCE: no, and i'm using irssiDec 02 14:27
XFaCEMinceR: Yeah, I version'd youDec 02 14:27
MinceRi noticedDec 02 14:28
MinceRi'm not a "command line guy", i use GUI, TUI and CLI as i see fit :>Dec 02 14:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Been on fire today. Even typed up three blogpostsDec 02 14:33
schestowitzI woke up 20 minutes ag0 and already had some phone scammers phone me. I'll soon finish some morning chored (belated).Dec 02 14:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] "Facebook disses Effin Irishwoman" 02 14:36
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amarsh04I had a phone spam call a few days ago claiming to be from 02 9999 9999 (a non-existant Sydney number)Dec 02 14:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @openattitude 2011 Readers' Choice Awards (all 45 of them) | !Linux Journal 02 14:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @lwnnet QEMU 1.0 released 02 14:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @osamak Richard Stallman's interview on #RT. !fsf !gnuDec 02 14:38
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amarsh04I must ask ACMA how fake calling number display can get into our phone system - I thought that .au carriers were allowed to pass correct calling numbers (eg from the number range of the calling pabx)Dec 02 14:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @capngloval Poll: What is your favorite desktop environment? 02 14:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @webmink Author Charlie Stross explains how paranoid publishers demanding DRM have handed the e-book market to Amazon: ...Dec 02 14:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @glynmoody EDRi launches complaint on lack of #transparency of European Parliament on #ACTA - well done them (v ...Dec 02 14:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] I like the Hardy Heron background as seen here in Ubuntu Ultimate 2.3. Takes me back to much simpler terms. 02 14:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @floeff Want to help test the next LibreOffice version? 3.5 beta0 is available: !liboDec 02 14:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @kirschner #yacy auf #Spiegel Online "Deutsche Entwickler basteln dezentrales Anti-Google" !fsfe !fs !gnuDec 02 14:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @picandocodigo Vote for Diaspora* as best social network in the Mashable Awards! !diaspora via @joindiasporaDec 02 14:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] On Ubuntu 9.04 BTW. Sounds ancient. But feels just as great. #goodolddaysDec 02 14:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Ultimate thoughts: My thoughts on ,well, Ubuntu Ultimate @eebrahj @kelzoko @kahenyaDec 02 14:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: For people w disabilities, can ICT tech remove barriers - or create them? 02 14:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Ultimate thoughts: My thoughts on ,well, Ubuntu Ultimate @eebrah @kelzoko @kahenyaDec 02 14:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Apache CouchDB alive and well, despite being dropped from Canonical's Ubuntu One (H): 02 14:46
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schestowitzamarsh04: just in case they're not a scam I didn't want to say, I am going to report youDec 02 14:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Have to call the folks at I&M to give them a heads up every time I want to make an online payment.Dec 02 14:48
amarsh04usually it's people claiming some problem with my windows software (and I only run gnu/linux now), so I tell them I am not running windows and hang upDec 02 14:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the IRC channels nowDec 02 14:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the IRC channels nowDec 02 14:53
XFaCEamarsh04: good for youDec 02 14:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the I ...Dec 02 14:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] How to make Richard Stallman take $1mln #stallman #gnu #linux #rms #freesoftware #interview #news #softwareDec 02 14:55
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amarsh04back in a few...Dec 02 14:58
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amarsh04found an issue that had been bugging me for a few days... when running top, sys usage of cpu jumped high, running "nice top" avoided the problemDec 02 15:08
schestowitzamarsh04: this one ran away when I got more confrontationalDec 02 15:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Banking on the Internet @eebrah @iddsalim @mtwita @kelzokoDec 02 15:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] effin' Facebook won't recognise an Effin woman. 02 15:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] In the time since I last blogged here.. @eebrah @kahenya @Amayi_ @mtwita @cobbo3Dec 02 15:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] just changed my default search (and urlbar search) engine from #IxQuick to #DuckDuckGoDec 02 15:21
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iophkDDG is still tainted with BingDec 02 15:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Shared a post "For Jeebus sake! How the hell do they have such a calm tone here? That is insanity!!!" 02 15:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Se asculta Internetul !? :-) #romania #internet #security #privacyDec 02 15:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] damn url shortening! telnet miku . acm . uiuc . edu !memes !lolDec 02 15:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Bits and pieces of news from the United States and what it helps teach us about the dangers of US-style patent law spre 02 15:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ Bits and pieces of news from the United States and what it helps teach us about the dangers of US-style patent law spre http://ur1. ...Dec 02 15:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I'd love to see an interviewer ask a politician if there's any point in us asking questions if they have no intention of answering themDec 02 15:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] ♺ @eximious: Donate to the #AdaInitiative! Support #women in open tech & culture, + you get gifts, #linuxchix #fossDec 02 15:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @zbraniecki: 40% użytkowników Internetu w Polsce używa przeglądarki wydanej w ciągu ostatniego miesiąca (Fx8 + Chrome 15). Nice! :)Dec 02 15:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz #Apple is Losing Its Mind and Its Cases Against Linux #swpatsDec 02 15:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @fsf Amazon's Kindle source code: Much ado about nothing -- good blog post @brettcsmith !fsf !gnuDec 02 16:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Log: Coming in 3.2 (Part 2) - Filesystems #linuxDec 02 16:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Sabayon 7 KDE review #gentoo #kdeDec 02 16:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Distro Hoppin`: Fedora 16 #fedora #redhatDec 02 16:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Broken Patent System #swpats #usptoDec 02 16:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Is Ubuntu Still The Most Popular Linux Distro? #ubuntu #gnu #linuxDec 02 16:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Hey !Canada : "Don't create Facebook Events for protests."~Joe Bowser !q !CDNpoli < very scary videoDec 02 16:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good morning !identiverse !tzagDec 02 16:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 8 Exciting Features of Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" #gnu #linux #ubuntuDec 02 16:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @infil00p The #G20 Papers are for download here: a couple of my write-ups w/be on my blog & mediacoop soon !CDNpoliDec 02 16:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: CSC: "It is important to underline fair dealing & other educational gains are undermined w/absolute digital lock protections"Dec 02 16:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: Swiss Gov Says Copyright Enforcement Rules Sufficient: rejects new ISP measures, stronger digital lock rules ...Dec 02 16:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: The Daily Digital Lock Dissenter, Day 43: Campus Stores Canada 02 16:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @xface when repeating tweets on Identica, often shortened URLs break (as here) works best to shorten yourself (hint: turn off auto shorten)Dec 02 16:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @Steve918 Amazon remotely unrooted my Kindle Fire. > will rooting devices like kindles be illegal under Bill !C11 !CDNpoliDec 02 16:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @laurelrusswurm: rd @Steve918 #Amazon remotely unrooted my Kindle Fire. > will rooting devices like kindles be illegal under Bill #C11 #CDDec 02 16:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sflc/@sflc] SFLC proposes DMCA exemption that would free users to root their devices and replace their operating systems: #uefiDec 02 17:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] RT @SFLC: !SFLC proposes DMCA exemption that would free users to root their devices and replace their operating systems: 02 17:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why We Don't Need To 'Think Of The Artists': They're Doing Fine - so let them get on with itDec 02 17:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 2/12/2011: WikiLeaks ‘Spy Files’, Open Internet at Risk #techrightsDec 02 17:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] GoDaddy lets another domain get stolen 02 17:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] MEPs: "We call upon US Gov't to allow (...) UN special rapporteur on torture to conduct a private meeting with Bradley Manning" 02 17:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Nobody gets fired for using Apache (RedMonk): 02 17:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Why does Apache insist on using Subversion? (GitHub): 02 17:41
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schestowitz"Er, where's the most rationally despised company, Apple? " 02 17:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] "Institutions will try to preserve the problem to which they are the solution." -- Clay ShirkyDec 02 17:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security advisories for Friday 02 17:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] EFF boardmember @zittrain bashes #SOPA on Colbert last night: Sound off against #blacklist bills in the commentsDec 02 17:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] CBC: !FreeByronDec 02 18:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Techdirt: Dutch Anti-Piracy Group May Face Legal Charges For Stealing Servers 02 18:28
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sebsebsebHiDec 02 18:33
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sebsebsebMinceR: hiDec 02 18:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Stop Bill C-10: Make !Canada Safer, Not Meaner > fund more social services not more jails !CDNpoliDec 02 18:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] voted for "KDE"Dec 02 18:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] I'm painting Warhammer figures tonight....My base of operations in the Kitchen! #warhammer40k 02 18:38
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sebsebsebMinceR: and now my little brotehr has an IpodDec 02 18:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !Canada is a monarchy and sometimes the PM gets the Queen to stack the deck ~ or the senate !injusticeDec 02 18:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Their royals are our royals; Liz is on our stamps and our moneyDec 02 18:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] If you read the documents, you can see that Byron Sonne has been charged by Queen Elizabeth, for instance !freeByron !CDNpoliDec 02 18:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] How Carrier IQ was wrongly accused of keylogging (Cnet): 02 18:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I dunno, seems to me what you're describing is Obama's job: "elected king of a democratic monarchy" ... careful what you wish forDec 02 18:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @kevie Is this for real???? The occupy party 02 18:56
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MinceRsebsebseb: i pity himDec 02 18:59
MinceRbut if he's lucky, it won't ignite itselfDec 02 18:59
sebsebsebMinceR: hehDec 02 19:00
sebsebsebhe will want me to help him put music on it and such it seemsDec 02 19:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Under law, Canada's PM is simply a Member of Parliament; he is chosen by the members of his party, not by Canadians. We only vote for MPs.Dec 02 19:00
sebsebsebMinceR: he's won over to an Ipod Touch since the feauturesDec 02 19:00
sebsebsebto young to explain to about software freedom with understandingDec 02 19:00
MinceRif he wanted it so much, he can struggle with hypeTunes, imo :>Dec 02 19:00
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah, but need Windows for thatDec 02 19:00
MinceRshould have thought of that beforeDec 02 19:01
sebsebsebMinceR: I didDec 02 19:02
sebsebsebI even sid something to him about how it may not work that well with LinuxDec 02 19:02
sebsebsebMinceR: ,but of course that doesn't matter, he's to young to  know about stuff like that propelryDec 02 19:02
sebsebsebI even suggested CowonDec 02 19:02
MinceRask DaemonFC about how great hypeTunes is on winblowsDec 02 19:02
sebsebseb,but then it's like, can you play games and go online and suc, and I am like noDec 02 19:02
sebsebsebso yep the Ipod Touch winsDec 02 19:03
sebsebsebplus they are seen as being cool or whatever you knowDec 02 19:03
MinceRyes, among idiotsDec 02 19:03
sebsebsebMinceR: and kidsDec 02 19:03
sebsebsebyoung childrenDec 02 19:03
schestowitzomgubuntu?Dec 02 19:03
sebsebsebMinceR: and that makes things quite sad really, how these companies get all thes epoeple sucked into their products and buying themDec 02 19:04
sebsebsebor wanting them, and then someone else buys for themDec 02 19:04
sebsebseband the users of them most of them, don't really know why they aren't really that good productsDec 02 19:04
MinceRhe'll learn at his own expense, themDec 02 19:04
MinceRs/.$/n/Dec 02 19:04
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah hopefuly as he gets olderDec 02 19:04
MinceRfor games and "going online", he could have got a smartphone, or something like this >> 02 19:05
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sebsebsebMinceR: oh my Dad's got an Androidtablet as wellDec 02 19:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I don't think so. What happens when both parties act the same (as now?) There is no recourse so citizens are forced to find another way #OWSDec 02 19:06
sebsebsebthey are going to go on holiday together soon, for quite a long time, and these devices will go with themDec 02 19:07
sebsebseband that's how he persuaded my Dad to buy him the Ipod it seemsDec 02 19:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk We have dread First-Past-The-Post here too, but multiple parties. Our interchangable ruling parties have been shaken up by 3rd partyDec 02 19:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Over on Diaspora: My festive living room, lovingly decorated by the wife... 02 19:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk we have a Green party and a Liberal party... the Conservative Party forms the current government in majority, effective dictatorshipDec 02 19:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk seems to me your two parties are acting the same - for corporations. If occupy does as suggested, could overtake one of your partiesDec 02 19:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk i thought royalty was fine, until monarch intervened on behalf of PM helping to suborn the feeble democracy we have by padding senateDec 02 19:18
iophkWithout a removable battery the lifespan of the device is limited to the number of charges the battery can take. Dec 02 19:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is gomerx from with 112 dents!Dec 02 19:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] #sip_and_click ... and then find some decent coffeeDec 02 19:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A "done deal on EU patent", but what is going on with the Unified Patent Court? - disgraceful lack of transparencyDec 02 19:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "Attawapiskat: State of emergency, state of indifference" !CDNpoli !wrawesomeDec 02 19:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Unaccountable European agency is covering up #rendition information - more shabby secrecy #tortureDec 02 19:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] To be fair to Microsoft, Bing does find magicaljellybean - it's even suggested in the dropdownDec 02 19:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] EFF attorney Jennifer Lynch is moderating a panel now on biometrics at #securerights. See our new #biometrics page 02 19:48
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schestowitznew remake of a cosmos bit 02 20:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #LeySinde in suspended animation - not clear whether it'd dead or just resting; but good news (v @mmasnick)Dec 02 20:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Monsanto Corn May Be Failing to Kill Bugs, EPA Says - and is thus *useless* #gmDec 02 20:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] R» @parlementum @gomerx web sites wants me to have > Netscape 4.5 or Internet Explorer & to disable all pop-up blockers. OMG its the 90sDec 02 20:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Copyright Act could defang infringement notices: iiNet - this sounds a complete mess #auDec 02 20:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] FLOSS Manuals and Sourcefabric Announce New Partnership for Open Source Publishing Software - good newsDec 02 20:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] YaCy: It's About Freedom, Not Beating Google 02 20:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @paviles: "África ya exporta tecnología" /cc @ushahidi @ihub @whiteafrican @nj3ma @kelzOKODec 02 20:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] New Switch Could Improve Electronics. 02 20:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @noyesk: YaCy: It's About Freedom, Not Beating Google /cc @nj3ma @kelzOKO @fredmanglis @dennisMungaiDec 02 20:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RT @r7 #dosomething 02 20:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Oh wait! You can do this >, on !android? /cc @RamanusAsango @nj3ma @kelzOKO @fredmanglis Where's the iOS equivalent?Dec 02 20:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #NATO conceals preparations for military action against #Syria - English #stateterrorism 02 21:15
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schestowitzNo apparent news this weekDec 02 21:43
schestowitzStill going on with last week's 'news' - Mint in DWDec 02 21:43
sebsebsebschestowitz: I'll give you somne news, I willl go to FOSDEM 2011Dec 02 21:44
sebsebsebuhDec 02 21:44
sebsebseb2012 I meanDec 02 21:44
schestowitzmono devs room?Dec 02 21:44
sebsebsebuh yeahDec 02 21:44
sebsebsebof courseDec 02 21:44
sebsebsebthe Mono romDec 02 21:44
sebsebseb:DDec 02 21:44
sebsebsebas a spy for TechrightsDec 02 21:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] "The Problem of the Yellow Milkmaid: A Business Model Perspective on Open Metadata" #opendataDec 02 21:45
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sebsebseboh this ifno willl go public soon, since you pubically log this chanenl, ah wellDec 02 21:45
sebsebsebmaybe not a very secret spy then, but I'll report back  to you what's going onDec 02 21:45
sebsebsebheh hehDec 02 21:45
sebsebsebschestowitz: and now for being serious the Mageia stuf, but of course :)Dec 02 21:46
goblin-netbooksebsebseb, Hi! Id suggest you have little future in being a spy..... I'm sure theres a rule which says you don't mention it..... :)Dec 02 21:46
sebsebsebgoblin-netbook: yepDec 02 21:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] "In five years' time, we'll be looking back on the era of $300 Intel system units in bemusement" > cc @kelzOKO @fredmanglisDec 02 21:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @dwa: "The core skill of innovators is not failure avoidance, it's errorrecovery." -- Randy Nelson, Pixar #quoteDec 02 21:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] two weeks ago we were 400+ away from our goal for open bug reports. now we are 26 away. need to set a new goal quickly. ;)Dec 02 21:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] did you know that Norris is an extreme right wing christrian crazy nut? yep. sad but true.Dec 02 21:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] ah, the old trick of move the goalposts to the extreme then ask for (and get) compromise out of civility. *sigh*Dec 02 21:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Listening to @kaz interviewing @zack on !faifcastDec 02 21:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Now listening to @bkuhn's #doublethink on #Debian nonfree !disturbingDec 02 22:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Most popular this week: Open source gift guide and giveaway | 02 22:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] #zomg now @bkuhn is calling #Debian #ftpmasters arbitrary discretion over license acceptability "transparency" #trulynotatrollDec 02 22:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Counterfeit #Knives : Is Your Knife Real? - YouTube - #bushcraft #preppers 02 22:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] eBay introduces, a scripting language for simplifying multiple API calls across the Web (InfoWorld): 02 22:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] #troll the ancient #Yuletide carolDec 02 22:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Facebook jumpstarting Silicon Valley/NYC tech rivalry? FB sets up engineering shop in NYC (Computerworld): 02 22:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ATTENTION #PREPPERS Having More Than 7 Days Of Food Makes You A Suspected Terrorist|YouTube #usa #policestate 02 22:20
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schestowitzgeez, it's mortifying how silly cpanel isDec 02 22:27
schestowitzthe only way past terminal restrictions is set things up as cron jobsDec 02 22:27
schestowitzSo "Security reasons" no longer appliesDec 02 22:28
prurigrois that along the same lines as cfengine?Dec 02 22:28
schestowitzYou can manifest any command this way, but there's no way of just opening a command line on most hosting plansDec 02 22:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Palantir, the War on Terror's Secret Weapon - BusinessWeek - #usa #intel #surveillance 02 22:28
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schestowitzAll I wanna do is someting like find | grep .mbox, then delete thoseDec 02 22:28
schestowitzrather than manually go through hundreds of dirsDec 02 22:29
schestowitzone option is to graft the whole ~1gb of data, run the command locally, then put it back on the server with right permsDec 02 22:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Did you miss it ?! Keynote announcement: Jacob Appelbaum (@ioerror) watches the watchers #LCA2012 02 22:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @firusvg: Thus spake the master programmer: "Though a program be but three lines long, someday it will have to bemaintained." !q #fbDec 02 22:31
schestowitzUbuntu "It's certainly the most overated! (flame, flame ;)) " 02 22:32
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schestowitz'Mint gets it right again, with their spin on Gnome3. " 02 22:32
schestowitz"don't overlook that they're the first distro to include MATE, I'm loving it :) "Dec 02 22:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Ricas pensões- Opinião - Jornal de negócios online - #pt #crooks 02 22:33
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prurigroschestowitz: arch also has mate- have you tried it?Dec 02 22:34
schestowitzNo, I almost did in 2009Dec 02 22:35
schestowitzI'll probably stay on LTS for another 2 yearsDec 02 22:35
schestowitzworks like a charmDec 02 22:35
schestowitzroy@roy:~$ uptimeDec 02 22:36
schestowitz 22:35:59 up 50 days, 22:30,  2 users,  load average: 2.37, 2.30, 2.59Dec 02 22:36
prurigrotouche haha-- though, I was more curious whether you'd checked mate out?Dec 02 22:36
schestowitzIt's actually 4 months if you exclude my toaster incident (outage)Dec 02 22:36
schestowitzno, I heard of mate, mateDec 02 22:36
schestowitzman, have you seen the mail man, man. I mean, MAN!Dec 02 22:36
prurigrolol, good thing we're not australianDec 02 22:37
prurigro(poor Brendan)Dec 02 22:37
schestowitzhe doesn't talk like thatDec 02 22:37
schestowitzstereotypical stuffDec 02 22:37
prurigrono?Dec 02 22:38
prurigrous canadians definitely say eh, eh :)Dec 02 22:38
schestowitzamarsh04 is from there tooDec 02 22:38
prurigroaustralia or canada?Dec 02 22:38
schestowitzauDec 02 22:38
prurigrooh wordDec 02 22:38
prurigrodo australians not talk like I think they talk?Dec 02 22:38
prurigrooh yo btwDec 02 22:39
schestowitznot everyone I meet hereDec 02 22:39
prurigrodid you check the logs from last night?Dec 02 22:39
schestowitzthere's the one that says CHOINADec 02 22:39
schestowitzand g'dayDec 02 22:39
schestowitzsome is more like British, maybe cause they lived here for a long whileDec 02 22:39
prurigrothat's why its so hard to tell em apartDec 02 22:39
prurigro!Dec 02 22:40
schestowitzone of my friends moved back to Aussie and his accent doesn't give it awayDec 02 22:40
schestowitzhere there are also many dialects and accentsDec 02 22:40
schestowitzyou can tell roughly where people come from by just speaking on the phoneDec 02 22:40
prurigroI suppose it is a pretty big country, on that noteDec 02 22:40
schestowitzethnicity, cit, etc.Dec 02 22:40
prurigrooh speaking of which, I was trying to figure out your accent last night-- it sounds super familiarDec 02 22:41
prurigrobut I can't place it for some reason- possibly due to sleep loss :)Dec 02 22:41
prurigroany hints?Dec 02 22:41
schestowitzHere is a good one: 02 22:41
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schestowitzIt's concise tooDec 02 22:41
prurigrohaha, I'm half scottish in origin, but that's one I can never getDec 02 22:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #CarrierIQ Rootkit Found on Android, BlackberryOS, iOS - 02 22:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Statements Regarding #CarrierIQ from Carriers, Device Makers 02 22:43
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prurigronorth england isn't as badDec 02 22:43
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prurigroschestowitz: is yours in here?Dec 02 22:47
schestowitzI can do impersonations for a laugh, but this guy is very goodDec 02 22:47
schestowitzbrbDec 02 22:47
prurigroor like, your accent, rather :)Dec 02 22:47
prurigroholy, all of these are UKDec 02 22:50
prurigroahh, kk, he's moving around now-- I didn't think the UK could have 61 accents on its ownDec 02 22:51
prurigroschestowitz: so far Austria is sounding closestDec 02 22:53
*schestowitz backDec 02 22:54
schestowitzyeah, well, he does go through manyDec 02 22:54
prurigroI'm trying to place yours using his examples as a guideDec 02 22:54
schestowitzthey're not imaginary, they all sound very much alike to people whom you can meet every day in a city like ManchesterDec 02 22:54
schestowitzMine is a mixtureDec 02 22:55
schestowitzso you won't get itDec 02 22:55
schestowitzPart of my ,mom's family is in the USDec 02 22:55
schestowitzbrbDec 02 22:55
schestowitzfoodDec 02 22:55
prurigroahh hmm, interesting! and cool, bon apetiteDec 02 22:55
prurigroappetit*Dec 02 22:57
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schestowitzGot this a minute ago from my uncle in hallandale..Dec 02 23:02
schestowitz> I think perhaps adding a comment can be improved a bit. It's not only thatDec 02 23:02
schestowitz> nobody uses it but a couple of people (not experienced computer users), haveDec 02 23:02
schestowitz> sent me comments by e-mail expressing frustration as to how to use the "AddDec 02 23:02
schestowitz> A Comment" beneath each article.Dec 02 23:02
schestowitz> Dec 02 23:02
schestowitz> What change do I suggest? Can you place "ADD YOUR COMMENT" (which nowDec 02 23:02
schestowitz> appears in the lower right)  and position it inside and at the top the largeDec 02 23:02
schestowitz> white rectangle. It should read..."ADD YOUR COMMENT BELOW" so all theDec 02 23:02
schestowitz> dummies out there will know what to do.Dec 02 23:02
schestowitz> Dec 02 23:02
schestowitz> As usual, if it's too much of a chore, just forget it, because it's merelyDec 02 23:02
schestowitz> an ego reinforcement at best. But then again, at least I would know thatDec 02 23:02
schestowitz> it's not's them!Dec 02 23:02
schestowitzI will simply things a bit to make it more dummy-compatibleDec 02 23:02
prurigroshould be easy enoughDec 02 23:05
prurigrowere you serious yesterday about getting my help touching up markup/css/scripts?Dec 02 23:06
prurigrothere are a few other things that make me cringe every time I visit :)Dec 02 23:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "This is why our society is moribund, everyone wants change but no one believes it is possible."~ Julian Ichim !qDec 02 23:08
schestowitzoh, layout?Dec 02 23:11
prurigronot layout, that's fineDec 02 23:11
schestowitzit has been the same since day 1Dec 02 23:11
prurigroprobably more css actuallyDec 02 23:11
schestowitzvisual identityDec 02 23:11
prurigrothere's stuff ontop of other stuffDec 02 23:11
prurigrobuttons that don't tell you what they do unless you get the tooltipDec 02 23:12
MinceRin some cases, you don't want dummies to find out how to comment. :>Dec 02 23:12
prurigroa few tweaks would make things look much more professional imoDec 02 23:12
schestowitzMinceR: in thuis case, it's about senior cittizensDec 02 23:12
prurigroand lol MinceR: in my experience, the trolls always spend the time to figure out how to commentDec 02 23:12
MinceR:>Dec 02 23:12
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schestowitzi've just mofdifed the phpDec 02 23:13
prurigroyea, I'm definitely thinking css is the big thing hereDec 02 23:14
prurigroand it could very well only be an issue right now because you'd originally done it when browsers weren't following the same rulesDec 02 23:14
prurigroschestowitz: I've built industry level web applications using php, html, javascript/jquery/jquery-ui, mysql etc though- so I have reasonable experience to tweak things up a bit if you're too busy yourselfDec 02 23:16
schestowitzwe can move to Adobe Trash now ^_^Dec 02 23:19
schestowitzFront page:Dec 02 23:19
schestowitzBackground musicDec 02 23:19
schestowitzLady GagaDec 02 23:19
schestowitzAnd then fade in floting photo of BallmerDec 02 23:20
schestowitzand it spins for half a minute, then you can click "enter site"Dec 02 23:20
MinceRlolDec 02 23:20
prurigrolol, don't forget to force people to 'like' the facebook pageDec 02 23:20
MinceR:>Dec 02 23:20
prurigroand of course use cookies, so if they clear them, they need another facebook account to like viaDec 02 23:20
schestowitzAnd then... and then... there's a cute video on the site and background music streaming with flash to tell you the world news from Rupert's SkyDec 02 23:20
MinceRbetter yet, find a way to click the button from a scriptDec 02 23:20
schestowitzTo keep visitors informed and allDec 02 23:20
prurigrono pause/stop controls to speak ofDec 02 23:21
prurigrowhy would anyone not want to listen?Dec 02 23:21
schestowitz[23:20] <prurigro> lol, don't forget to force people to 'like' the facebook pageDec 02 23:21
schestowitzI like!Dec 02 23:21
schestowitzGood ideaDec 02 23:21
MinceR(didn't they phase out "Like" already and just automatically record and spam your visits?)Dec 02 23:21
schestowitz[23:21] <prurigro> no pause/stop controls to speak ofDec 02 23:21
prurigrolast massive debate I had with a developer was in the springDec 02 23:21
prurigroover a like buttonDec 02 23:21
schestowitzNo, I'll help them outDec 02 23:21
schestowitzI'll position the Trash <object> at page bottomDec 02 23:21
prurigrothey may have stopped that since-- though you can still collect 'likes' for your page for statusDec 02 23:22
schestowitzSo they can't accidentally stop the qawesomenessDec 02 23:22
schestowitzautoplay tooDec 02 23:22
MinceRare you implying there will be something else on the page, beside that object? :>Dec 02 23:22
schestowitzTo save them some workDec 02 23:22
prurigrolol, and repeatDec 02 23:22
schestowitz[23:22] <prurigro> they may have stopped that since-- though you can still collect 'likes' for your page for statusDec 02 23:22
schestowitzYou8 can make the page less heavyDec 02 23:23
MinceRyou could actually have multiple "click to enter" pages and make the site just consist of them, coming up in random orderDec 02 23:23
schestowitzJust take a screenshot of a popular page with LikeDec 02 23:23
schestowitzNo JS, no spying, no XSSDec 02 23:23
schestowitzjust 1k gifDec 02 23:23
prurigrohahaDec 02 23:23
prurigroan actual website designed to look like a facebook page-- how meta would that beDec 02 23:24
schestowitzit's like minimalist mysapceDec 02 23:24
schestowitzmarquee!Dec 02 23:24
prurigrolmaoDec 02 23:25
prurigroI needed a proper marquee implementation on a web app I was doing onceDec 02 23:25
prurigrobut for the proof of concept there wasn't time to implement, so we actually used <marquee>Dec 02 23:25
prurigroand dear god that tag is decrepit these daysDec 02 23:25
MinceRdid it work?Dec 02 23:25
MinceRand did you nest it in a <blink>?Dec 02 23:26
prurigroit worked, but every time javascript interacted with the object, the scroll speed would increaseDec 02 23:26
prurigroand hahaDec 02 23:26
MinceR:DDec 02 23:26
prurigroeventually it was just a blurDec 02 23:26
prurigroI can't imagine what scripting magic caused that, anywayDec 02 23:26
MinceRgnDec 02 23:29
prurigrociaoDec 02 23:29
prurigroschestowitz: finnish, swedish and norwegian are all very similar to yoursDec 02 23:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] yay, !tea \o/Dec 02 23:30
prurigroand a polish person says you sound like you're from nevada hahaDec 02 23:32
schestowitzon phoneDec 02 23:34
prurigrono rush :)Dec 02 23:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] moral of the story; don't be a #RoyalLiver insurance customer if you are, leave themDec 02 23:38
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prurigroschestowitz: Finnish, final answerDec 02 23:42
prurigroI've used all my lifelinesDec 02 23:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Why Apple (and Sony, Amazon, & Microsoft) should support jailbreaking smartphones, tablets & gaming consoles: 02 23:43
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prurigro(about 8 people now want me to report back with the correct answer if/when I get it )Dec 02 23:45
prurigrowe even have a linguist who can't place itDec 02 23:45
koolhead17hi allDec 02 23:47
koolhead17jono: ping sirDec 02 23:47
prurigroharoDec 02 23:48
prurigrohow goes?Dec 02 23:50
schestowitz"I've had an abhorrent time running the Ubuntu/Gnome-based Mint 12 in VirtualBox. It comes pre-packaged with VB Guest extensions baked in, which is nice, but they don't seem to work very well. Graphical anomalies, mouse pointer accuracy issues, and slow responses really killed the experience for me. I have since downloaded/installed the Debian/XFCE version and have been having a better experience, but I was really hoping to try out the Dec 02 23:50
schestowitznew UI. Anyone else seeing this?Dec 02 23:50
schestowitz"Good. It's not just me, then. I installed it a couple of days ago and have trouble with it locking up, etc." 02 23:51
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prurigroschestowitz: I had strange results with I think it was one of the main ubuntu variantsDec 02 23:51
prurigrowould def make sense though, mint being based on itDec 02 23:52
prurigroschestowitz: oh btw, last night we were discussing the feed service in the channel-- how often do you have it set to check for new feeds?Dec 02 23:52
schestowitzlinux spreads in my familyDec 02 23:52
schestowitzmy sister uses mint 10Dec 02 23:52
schestowitzmy cousins use webODec 02 23:53
schestowitzwebOSDec 02 23:53
schestowitzruns LinuxDec 02 23:53
prurigrowebOS!Dec 02 23:53
schestowitzogh crapDec 02 23:54
schestowitzyoutube is moving to new channel design todayDec 02 23:54
schestowitzwhat a messDec 02 23:54
schestowitzthey petend it's web 2.0 crapDec 02 23:54
schestowitzprurigro: they bought one for every one in the familyDec 02 23:54
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prurigrowhen they were like 60 bucks a pop?Dec 02 23:54
schestowitzEven my female cousin.. 02 23:55
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koolhead17schestowitz suppDec 02 23:55
prurigrolol, they have one of those beiber cutouts!Dec 02 23:56

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