IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: December 9th, 2011

-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Coworking: A window into the future of work (GigaOm): http://bit.ly/rFm4Da		Dec 09 00:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] There was liquid water on Mars. Confirmed. ur1.ca/6ibq9		Dec 09 00:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @jxself Support freedom: Help the !fsf reach $300,000 by January 30: http://www.fsf.org/ !gnu !fs !free !floss !linux		Dec 09 00:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @fsf Photos from recent @rms talks: http://ur1.ca/6i386 and http://ur1.ca/6i3ds !fsf !gnu !lp		Dec 09 00:27
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cubezzz	anyone know of a good ncurses based ftp client?	Dec 09 00:28
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prurigro	cubezzz: lemme know if you find one-- that'd be pretty sweet	Dec 09 00:37
prurigro	(just took a look and came up empty handed)	Dec 09 00:37
cubezzz	hmm, been looking for a while now	Dec 09 00:38
prurigro	oh hey	Dec 09 00:38
prurigro	apparently ncftp used to be ncurses	Dec 09 00:38
cubezzz	yes	Dec 09 00:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻@telecomix: If you lost your job at a #surveillance co, redeem yourself by joining Internet and stopping your old employer! #BrokenFreedoms		Dec 09 00:38
prurigro	http://www.debianadmin.com/list-of-ftp-clients-available-in-linux.html this says debian has a ncftp2 package that still employs this	Dec 09 00:38
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cubezzz	one of the older ones, not sure were the source code is though	Dec 09 00:39
cubezzz	unfortunatley I'm not running Debian on any machines at the moment	Dec 09 00:39
cubezzz	were -> where	Dec 09 00:39
prurigro	http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nc/ncftp-fs/PKGBUILD	Dec 09 00:39
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prurigro	this apparently builds ncftp with the fullscreen interface	Dec 09 00:39
prurigro	the build() being the important part if you're not using arch	Dec 09 00:40
prurigro	and the sources being in the source= part	Dec 09 00:40
cubezzz	hmm, that might work	Dec 09 00:43
prurigro	lemme know how it goes-- I'll be on a bit more consistently in a few mins and might have to get this installed :)	Dec 09 00:44
cubezzz	seems to work fine	Dec 09 00:45
cubezzz	compiled in no time	Dec 09 00:45
cubezzz	doh, seg fault	Dec 09 00:45
cubezzz	may be necessary to delete the newer .ncftp directory	Dec 09 00:46
cubezzz	probably can't co-exist with newer ncftp	Dec 09 00:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Ron Paul's Loyal Supporters Are Getting Ready To Shock The World In Iowa http://goo.gl/al9tQ		Dec 09 00:52
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prurigro	cubezzz: any luck?	Dec 09 00:56
cubezzz	yeah I think it works fine as long as you delete .ncftp and ncftp 2.4.3 will recreate it	Dec 09 00:58
cubezzz	assuming you have already installed the newer ncftp first	Dec 09 00:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @mchua New blog post: How to introduce new media art students to CS: markov bananaphone http://ur1.ca/6icp5		Dec 09 01:00
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cubezzz	hmm, you know lynx might be better	Dec 09 01:06
cubezzz	I can't seem to navigate directories using cursor keys	Dec 09 01:06
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cubezzz	yeah I think I'll just use lynx instead	Dec 09 01:07
cubezzz	funny, that's what I used to do in the "old days" :)	Dec 09 01:08
prurigro	haha, is lynx better than links, on that note?	Dec 09 01:09
cubezzz	not sure	Dec 09 01:10
prurigro	I always find links a much more complete ncurses experience	Dec 09 01:10
cubezzz	well I have both on vector so...	Dec 09 01:10
cubezzz	seems a bit different though	Dec 09 01:10
prurigro	hit esc	Dec 09 01:11
prurigro	and you get your menu	Dec 09 01:11
cubezzz	I can't go links ftp://user@server	Dec 09 01:11
cubezzz	which is a bit of a pain	Dec 09 01:11
prurigro	hmm no?	Dec 09 01:11
prurigro	let me try this	Dec 09 01:11
prurigro	(I typically use ncftp or lftp on that note)	Dec 09 01:12
cubezzz	lynx is just better	Dec 09 01:12
prurigro	links works	Dec 09 01:12
cubezzz	it does not	Dec 09 01:13
prurigro	you just need to use ftp://user:pass@url	Dec 09 01:13
prurigro	(I just tested)	Dec 09 01:13
cubezzz	right, just type the password in plain text	Dec 09 01:13
prurigro	if you don't wanna put that in your .bashrc	Dec 09 01:13
cubezzz	no thanks	Dec 09 01:13
prurigro	type links	Dec 09 01:13
prurigro	and press g	Dec 09 01:13
cubezzz	or just use lynx	Dec 09 01:14
prurigro	true :)	Dec 09 01:14
prurigro	figured that was your plan from that point, but I wanted to make sure the whole story was out there	Dec 09 01:14
cubezzz	even if I hit g it still doesn't prompt me for a password	Dec 09 01:15
prurigro	nope, you gotta do the user:pass setup	Dec 09 01:16
cubezzz	right, which is bad	Dec 09 01:16
prurigro	is it?	Dec 09 01:16
prurigro	depends whether you're over a secure connect I guess	Dec 09 01:16
cubezzz	yes, I'm typing my password and it's visible on the screen	Dec 09 01:16
prurigro	ahh, not in a private place?	Dec 09 01:16
cubezzz	bad design	Dec 09 01:16
cubezzz	even so prurigro, I could be at a customer's house	Dec 09 01:17
cubezzz	you see my point?	Dec 09 01:17
prurigro	depends on your use-- if it was home use only you'd be fine	Dec 09 01:18
prurigro	but definitely not at a customer's	Dec 09 01:18
cubezzz	well it's not fine	Dec 09 01:18
cubezzz	ever	Dec 09 01:18
prurigro	rather, if someone isn't looking over your shoulder, you shouldn't have an issue	Dec 09 01:18
prurigro	but yes, in your situation I would go lynx	Dec 09 01:18
prurigro	:)	Dec 09 01:18
prurigro	q	Dec 09 01:19
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cubezzz	prurigro, same thing with curl	Dec 09 01:19
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prurigro	oh?	Dec 09 01:19
cubezzz	it's not a good idea at all	Dec 09 01:19
prurigro	to use curl?	Dec 09 01:19
cubezzz	yes, putting plain text passwords into text files	Dec 09 01:19
cubezzz	bad	Dec 09 01:20
prurigro	ahh, yes- I like to avoid setups that go that direction	Dec 09 01:20
cubezzz	I _always_ type the password in	Dec 09 01:20
cubezzz	so when I do, I don't want it displayed!	Dec 09 01:20
prurigro	sounds like a good philosophy to keep, in general	Dec 09 01:20
prurigro	and haha, well especially when you're not always sure you're not gonna have someone looking from behind your back	Dec 09 01:21
prurigro	from one time to another	Dec 09 01:21
cubezzz	look at 70s terminals	Dec 09 01:21
cubezzz	they were more paranoid in the past than they are now	Dec 09 01:21
prurigro	well 70s terminals typically sat in semi-public locations	Dec 09 01:21
cubezzz	those terms have HUGE bezels on the sides	Dec 09 01:21
cubezzz	true	Dec 09 01:22
prurigro	I think home computing has changed a lot	Dec 09 01:22
prurigro	in terms of how we think of these things	Dec 09 01:22
cubezzz	still, when your internet banking?	Dec 09 01:22
cubezzz	you need to be careful	Dec 09 01:22
prurigro	that is true- and on that note, internet banking has a 2 pass system, with multiple possible passwords each attempt	Dec 09 01:23
cubezzz	prurigro, I have to be careful with the server	Dec 09 01:23
prurigro	and you need to call to verify if you get them wrong	Dec 09 01:23
prurigro	at least mine does	Dec 09 01:23
cubezzz	right, the banks are careful	Dec 09 01:23
cubezzz	we should be careful too	Dec 09 01:23
cubezzz	blogger got rid of all ftp access	Dec 09 01:24
cubezzz	it was considered a huge pain in the butt	Dec 09 01:24
prurigro	yea, I typically only use ftp for one thing these days	Dec 09 01:24
prurigro	a school website I volunteer to do	Dec 09 01:24
prurigro	everything else is ssh	Dec 09 01:25
cubezzz	there's sftp	Dec 09 01:25
prurigro	with that you can have a private key and forget about passwords pretty well altogether	Dec 09 01:25
prurigro	sftp = ssh	Dec 09 01:25
cubezzz	yeah	Dec 09 01:25
prurigro	or sshfs	Dec 09 01:25
prurigro	which I built a fun little script to manage profiles for	Dec 09 01:25
cubezzz	I bet lynx isn't really safe either actually	Dec 09 01:26
prurigro	its as safe as ftp, I'm sure	Dec 09 01:26
prurigro	is it sending that password plaintext though? I have no idea	Dec 09 01:26
cubezzz	it might be OK just on the LAN	Dec 09 01:27
prurigro	as long as your router is secure	Dec 09 01:27
cubezzz	well for anonymous ftp it's fine	Dec 09 01:29
prurigro	oh definitely	Dec 09 01:29
prurigro	we're just talking about password input here	Dec 09 01:29
prurigro	or at least for things your neighbour couldn't already gain access to	Dec 09 01:30
cubezzz	well getting in from the outside shouldn't be easy	Dec 09 01:30
prurigro	in?	Dec 09 01:30
cubezzz	yes, I have to ftp into the server sometimes	Dec 09 01:31
prurigro	why ftp and not ssh?	Dec 09 01:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Second day of the !Tizen Summit Asia... http://identi.ca/attachment/61960595		Dec 09 01:35
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cubezzz	sftp seems easier to use, but sometimes I have to use windows from the customer's place	Dec 09 01:35
cubezzz	ah, prurigro ...	Dec 09 01:37
cubezzz	lynx transmitts the password in plain text	Dec 09 01:37
prurigro	oh my	Dec 09 01:37
prurigro	good to know!	Dec 09 01:37
cubezzz	yes	Dec 09 01:37
prurigro	have you tried another ftp client to see if that's optional or not?	Dec 09 01:37
cubezzz	maybe there's a way to avoid that	Dec 09 01:37
cubezzz	dumping port 21 clearly shows what's it's doing	Dec 09 01:38
cubezzz	well I figure sftp must be better, I'll try it	Dec 09 01:38
prurigro	oh man, so sftp is literally the secure file transfer protocol	Dec 09 01:38
prurigro	sftp definitely encrypts the pass	Dec 09 01:38
cubezzz	yes, I'm sure it does, but I still want to see it :)	Dec 09 01:39
prurigro	no harm and possibly some good in that	Dec 09 01:39
cubezzz	ha, not port 21	Dec 09 01:39
cubezzz	what does it use for secure ftp?	Dec 09 01:39
cubezzz	same as ssh I guess?	Dec 09 01:40
cubezzz	oh damn, there's tons of port 22 traffic	Dec 09 01:40
prurigro	22	Dec 09 01:41
prurigro	yea	Dec 09 01:41
prurigro	hmm, incoming?	Dec 09 01:42
cubezzz	I can't see a thing	Dec 09 01:42
prurigro	I use an alternate ssh port	Dec 09 01:42
prurigro	personally	Dec 09 01:42
cubezzz	yes but for sftp?	Dec 09 01:42
prurigro	sftp = ssh	Dec 09 01:43
cubezzz	I need a way to see only the sftp traffic	Dec 09 01:43
cubezzz	oh well	Dec 09 01:43
prurigro	setup a ssh server on a diff port	Dec 09 01:43
prurigro	what are you using to track? iftop?	Dec 09 01:43
cubezzz	no tcpdump	Dec 09 01:44
prurigro	ahh, the hardcore viewer	Dec 09 01:44
prurigro	haha	Dec 09 01:44
cubezzz	I'll have to look into that later I guess	Dec 09 01:44
cubezzz	I'll be on as cubefc1 for a while until the other job is done	Dec 09 01:45
prurigro	word, sounds good	Dec 09 01:45
prurigro	@ work?	Dec 09 01:45
cubefc1	at home with less monitors than computers	Dec 09 01:46
cubefc1	well, home is work most of the time	Dec 09 01:46
prurigro	lol, ahh- you should just tmux an irc session	Dec 09 01:46
prurigro	and nice- that has its advantages and disadvantages I've found	Dec 09 01:46
cubefc1	might be easier than echoing /dev/pts/number	Dec 09 01:49
cubefc1	I use that to pass clipboarded info between computers	Dec 09 01:49
prurigro	oh man haha	Dec 09 01:49
prurigro	yea, tmux has its own copy paste buffer	Dec 09 01:50
prurigro	as I'm sure you know	Dec 09 01:50
cubefc1	never used tmux	Dec 09 01:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @ioerror: Sen. Bernie Sanders files constitutional amendment to end corporate personhood http://t.co/OKpVL2hm #p2 #ows		Dec 09 01:50
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cubefc1	initial release 2009	Dec 09 01:50
cubefc1	I'm old school	Dec 09 01:50
cubefc1	2009 hasn't happend for me yet	Dec 09 01:50
prurigro	haha, well screen was good too	Dec 09 01:51
prurigro	tmux is just a bit more enjoyably default setup with a few extra features than screen	Dec 09 01:51
prurigro	enjoyably configured default*	Dec 09 01:52
cubefc1	might be an idea to set up some extra vt100's :)	Dec 09 01:52
cubefc1	oh sorry, too old? :)	Dec 09 01:53
prurigro	haha, then de-attach when you wanna go remote?	Dec 09 01:53
prurigro	and naw	Dec 09 01:53
prurigro	only a few years before my time, but totally practical	Dec 09 01:54
prurigro	I mean, a more up to date implementation might be smart	Dec 09 01:54
cubefc1	hmm, wonder if they have any problems with CRT burn-in	Dec 09 01:54
cubefc1	I never leave the monitors on 24/7 though	Dec 09 01:55
prurigro	but I've been into a rather up to date server room in the middle of NYC that has a single terminal in the middle of the lobby to connect in	Dec 09 01:55
cubefc1	so probably fine	Dec 09 01:55
prurigro	doesn't the default tty interface screenblank?	Dec 09 01:55
prurigro	in linux	Dec 09 01:55
cubefc1	prurigro, another thing...	Dec 09 01:55
prurigro	ttylinux might be a good option btw	Dec 09 01:55
cubefc1	I don't think the bsd's have tmux	Dec 09 01:55
prurigro	http://www.minimalinux.org/ttylinux/	Dec 09 01:55
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prurigro	bsd made tmux	Dec 09 01:56
cubefc1	oh!	Dec 09 01:56
prurigro	its the bsd version of screen	Dec 09 01:56
cubefc1	didn't know that	Dec 09 01:56
prurigro	I only learned a week or so ago myself	Dec 09 01:56
prurigro	been using tmux for a while now, on that note	Dec 09 01:56
prurigro	:)	Dec 09 01:56
cubefc1	tmux sounded like tux	Dec 09 01:56
prurigro	haha	Dec 09 01:56
prurigro	touche	Dec 09 01:56
cubefc1	so linuxy	Dec 09 01:56
prurigro	I think its more like terminal mux or something	Dec 09 01:56
cubefc1	right	Dec 09 01:57
cubefc1	it sounds promising	Dec 09 01:57
prurigro	its sick	Dec 09 01:57
prurigro	has scrollback, unlimited copy/paste buffer, you can split a term horizontally or vertically	Dec 09 01:57
prurigro	or split a split even	Dec 09 01:58
prurigro	and of course all the basics of screen you'd already know about	Dec 09 01:58
prurigro	and, since it uses b instead of a as a default	Dec 09 01:59
prurigro	you can have a screen inside a tmux	Dec 09 01:59
prurigro	or the other way around	Dec 09 01:59
prurigro	if you wanted to have a local session and a remote one kept alive concurrently and respectively	Dec 09 01:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Prosecuting perpetrators of gross financial fraud (i.e. those responsible for the crisis) too hard, apparently ur1.ca/6if9e		Dec 09 02:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] and another sane US Senator! seems like an epidemic! #SuddenOutbreakOfCommonSense? ur1.ca/6ifbz		Dec 09 02:03
cubefc1	oh wow, it's in the base system of openbsd	Dec 09 02:06
cubefc1	go figure	Dec 09 02:06
prurigro	oh man, I didn't realize it was that ingrained	Dec 09 02:06
cubefc1	obviously too new for fc1 though	Dec 09 02:06
prurigro	ya learn somethin' new every so often I guess tho eh	Dec 09 02:06
prurigro	fedora core 1?	Dec 09 02:07
cubefc1	yes	Dec 09 02:07
prurigro	I believe I used that like.. years ago? haha	Dec 09 02:07
prurigro	or wait	Dec 09 02:08
cubefc1	"no package tmux available" <- fedora 10	Dec 09 02:08
prurigro	that is their first release post redhat community right?	Dec 09 02:08
cubefc1	it is	Dec 09 02:08
prurigro	and you're still running it?	Dec 09 02:08
cubefc1	on one box	Dec 09 02:09
prurigro	wow, haha-- time to upgrade?	Dec 09 02:09
cubefc1	I also run 211bsd	Dec 09 02:09
cubefc1	and unix v7	Dec 09 02:09
prurigro	but those have some historical relevance	Dec 09 02:09
prurigro	fedora core 1 was simply the community fork of a not super stable (at the time) distro	Dec 09 02:10
cubefc1	prurigro, consider this...	Dec 09 02:10
cubefc1	I run loki games	Dec 09 02:10
prurigro	so do I	Dec 09 02:10
cubefc1	they work well with older linux, not so well with newer	Dec 09 02:10
prurigro	on a rolling release distro, even	Dec 09 02:11
prurigro	you just need to get libs going statically	Dec 09 02:11
prurigro	I like heroes 3, but I also like an up to date system	Dec 09 02:11
cubefc1	have you tried rt2 or EUS?	Dec 09 02:11
prurigro	why not have both right?	Dec 09 02:11
prurigro	nadda- though the loki core was similar across systems I believe?	Dec 09 02:12
prurigro	err, across installations	Dec 09 02:12
cubefc1	EUS is pretty old	Dec 09 02:12
prurigro	rather	Dec 09 02:12
prurigro	so is heroes 3	Dec 09 02:12
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cubefc1	that's odd you say that since fc1 has the longest uptime of any OS i've used	Dec 09 02:14
prurigro	http://members.shaw.ca/dan.mckay/LokiInst.html	Dec 09 02:14
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prurigro	cubefc1: just sitting there fc1 was fine, but once you start to get things configured, things would have chance of failing, and if they did you'd need a reinstall pretty well	Dec 09 02:15
cubefc1	prurigro, I installed it in 2004	Dec 09 02:15
cubefc1	what does that tell you?	Dec 09 02:15
prurigro	that you got things working nicely and haven't touched them too much after?	Dec 09 02:16
cubefc1	exactly so	Dec 09 02:16
prurigro	haha touche	Dec 09 02:16
cubefc1	each iteration of the linux OS gets bigger	Dec 09 02:16
cubefc1	it makes sense to run older linux on an older computer	Dec 09 02:17
cubefc1	especially since I have over 7 years (almost 8 years) of experience with it	Dec 09 02:17
cubefc1	and it's a "first"	Dec 09 02:17
cubefc1	so interesting, at least to me	Dec 09 02:18
cubefc1	compiled my own KDE for it too	Dec 09 02:18
cubefc1	I guess the last time made a major change was in 2005	Dec 09 02:19
prurigro	archlinux works quite nicely on old hardware	Dec 09 02:19
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prurigro	debian testing I hear does as well? though I can't vouch for that	Dec 09 02:20
cubefc1	prurigro, another point...	Dec 09 02:20
cubefc1	some of the older KDE stuff hasn't been updated and has become orphaned	Dec 09 02:20
cubefc1	so by keeping many different distros running on different machines I don't lose stuff	Dec 09 02:21
cubefc1	debian lenny is pretty good	Dec 09 02:21
cubefc1	don't have it running on anything currently... lenny was for coreboot testing a while ago	Dec 09 02:22
prurigro	what stuff do you have in kde that you'll lose if you upgrade?	Dec 09 02:22
cubefc1	a lot!	Dec 09 02:22
cubefc1	kmidi is gone	Dec 09 02:22
cubefc1	I don't seem to have kword on some installations	Dec 09 02:23
prurigro	kmidi is gone? I coulda sworn I saw someone post a screenshot of the latest fedora core's kde running kmidi via timidity the other day	Dec 09 02:23
cubefc1	there's probably some 2.X stuff I can't remember	Dec 09 02:23
cubefc1	kmid, not kmidi	Dec 09 02:24
cubefc1	two different programs	Dec 09 02:24
prurigro	I remember the move to 1.x to 2.x was quite a bit	Dec 09 02:24
cubefc1	or maybe the same, not 100% sure about that	Dec 09 02:24
prurigro	2 to 3 wasn't so bad	Dec 09 02:24
prurigro	pretty well everything proted over	Dec 09 02:24
prurigro	and tbh, I haven't really used 4, so maybe there's the kicker	Dec 09 02:24
cubefc1	kooka	Dec 09 02:24
prurigro	kooka's gone?	Dec 09 02:24
cubefc1	well it might be, it hasn't been updated in years	Dec 09 02:25
cubefc1	you running KDE 4.X?	Dec 09 02:25
prurigro	nadda, moved to gnome after kde3 and haven't looked back	Dec 09 02:25
cubefc1	I liked kooka a lot	Dec 09 02:25
prurigro	yea, it was a good app	Dec 09 02:26
prurigro	I wasn't a huge fan of kword	Dec 09 02:26
cubefc1	it's probably in 3.5.10, not sure about 4.X	Dec 09 02:26
cubefc1	what do you use for doc files?	Dec 09 02:26
cubefc1	antiword perhaps?	Dec 09 02:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #Nomovok concept picture phone w/o keyboard input (animated avatars) at the #Tizen Summit Asia http://identi.ca/attachment/61964012		Dec 09 02:28
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prurigro	haha, I use libreoffice	Dec 09 02:30
prurigro	not a huge fan of abiword either	Dec 09 02:30
cubefc1	why is that?	Dec 09 02:30
prurigro	ahh, I've just had some weird glitches over the years, not to mention importing word documents is typically my reason for using anything other than a unix format text file	Dec 09 02:31
prurigro	and abiword + koffice don't import nearly as well	Dec 09 02:31
cubefc1	antiword works well for me	Dec 09 02:31
cubefc1	doc straight to text	Dec 09 02:31
prurigro	wait, you say anti and aren't playing on words for abi?	Dec 09 02:32
prurigro	:)	Dec 09 02:32
cubefc1	no I actually use antiword	Dec 09 02:32
prurigro	word, reading about ti now	Dec 09 02:33
prurigro	does it do complex tables and image position properly?	Dec 09 02:33
cubefc1	I think it just extracts the text from doc files	Dec 09 02:34
prurigro	ahh word, sounds handy but that sadly wouldn't be quite enough for my uses	Dec 09 02:34
prurigro	typically I just boot into a windows vm to load office 10 though	Dec 09 02:34
prurigro	since nothing gets it quite perfect	Dec 09 02:34
prurigro	and not perfect = an hour or two of work on my part	Dec 09 02:35
cubefc1	I think that is deliberate on Microsoft's part	Dec 09 02:35
prurigro	definitely	Dec 09 02:36
prurigro	hence them not going with the agreed upon open document standard	Dec 09 02:36
cubefc1	so does the windows in the vm update ok?	Dec 09 02:37
prurigro	update?	Dec 09 02:37
cubefc1	yes, windows update or whatever they call it	Dec 09 02:37
cubefc1	not to mention activiation	Dec 09 02:38
prurigro	oh yea, totally	Dec 09 02:38
prurigro	works like a charm	Dec 09 02:38
prurigro	but that's cuz I use legit licenses :)	Dec 09 02:38
cubefc1	ok, just checking	Dec 09 02:38
cubefc1	I thought Microsoft might frown on that sort of thing	Dec 09 02:39
prurigro	oh, running in a VM?	Dec 09 02:39
cubefc1	yes	Dec 09 02:39
prurigro	microsoft has their own free virtualization software	Dec 09 02:39
prurigro	specifically for windows	Dec 09 02:39
prurigro	OS clusters are the future of server farms	Dec 09 02:40
cubefc1	oh, so the VM isn't under Linux then?	Dec 09 02:40
prurigro	oh mine is	Dec 09 02:40
prurigro	but I was just pointing out that they aren't against their OS running in a VM	Dec 09 02:40
cubefc1	that's interesting because I can't legally run VM/SP under Linux	Dec 09 02:41
prurigro	oh no? how come?	Dec 09 02:41
prurigro	I mean, that's literally a VM OS	Dec 09 02:42
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prurigro	I suppose if that's the case, Windows might have a clause making it technically illegal? I've never looked into it too hard, though I know Oracle is allowed to have a 'Windows' preset for Virtualbox, but not an 'OSX' one	Dec 09 02:43
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prurigro	cubefc1: not sure if its still going, but check out https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=54118	Dec 09 02:46
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cubefc1	prurigro, there's no hobbyist license for VM/SP	Dec 09 02:51
cubefc1	yeah, it's kind of stupid	Dec 09 02:51
prurigro	ahh, so techncially it would be pretty well illegal for you to run anywhere	Dec 09 02:51
prurigro	unlike the specifically within a virtual machine issue	Dec 09 02:51
cubefc1	basically I would need to own the original hardware to make it legal	Dec 09 02:51
cubefc1	well IBM doesn't give it out :)	Dec 09 02:52
prurigro	haha hrm, yea, I don't think windows would have the same issues, on that note	Dec 09 02:52
prurigro	a shame though	Dec 09 02:52
cubefc1	I don't know anyone with an IBM 3090	Dec 09 02:53
prurigro	call a university and ask for a key to a storage room? :)	Dec 09 02:54
prurigro	what do you do with the OS?	Dec 09 02:54
cubefc1	well it's kind of silly.... I used to use it at work	Dec 09 02:55
cubefc1	I thought it would be neat to run a mainframe OS at home	Dec 09 02:55
cubefc1	I run VM/370 too	Dec 09 02:56
prurigro	lol, do you do any development from within it?	Dec 09 02:57
cubefc1	yes	Dec 09 02:57
cubefc1	I have my old Cobol listings still	Dec 09 02:57
prurigro	what languages can you use?	Dec 09 02:57
prurigro	oh nice	Dec 09 02:57
prurigro	cobol wasn't half bad	Dec 09 02:58
cubefc1	and some APL stuff	Dec 09 02:58
cubefc1	rexx scripts...	Dec 09 02:58
prurigro	never used apl	Dec 09 02:58
prurigro	or rexx	Dec 09 02:58
cubefc1	xedit is good	Dec 09 02:58
prurigro	I'm guessing different than xwindows edit?	Dec 09 02:58
cubefc1	yes, totally different	Dec 09 02:59
cubefc1	IBM xedit that something called a profile window	Dec 09 02:59
cubefc1	I think that's what it was called, my memory is a bit hazy on it	Dec 09 02:59
prurigro	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XEDIT	Dec 09 03:00
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prurigro	as opposed to the article for x11_edit :)	Dec 09 03:00
prurigro	err x11_xedit*	Dec 09 03:00
cubefc1	prefix window	Dec 09 03:01
cubefc1	it's a cool idea	Dec 09 03:01
cubefc1	don't think I've seen in in the Linux world	Dec 09 03:01
cubefc1	seen it	Dec 09 03:01
prurigro	how do you mean a prefix window	Dec 09 03:02
prurigro	and let me know if I should just read that wiki article a bit more thoroughly :)	Dec 09 03:02
cubefc1	ok, it's this area of the screen that you can type in commands to manipulate lines	Dec 09 03:03
cubefc1	and show line numbers	Dec 09 03:03
cubefc1	e.g. m sets a line to move, p for preceeding f for following	Dec 09 03:04
cubefc1	imagine the visual commands in vi but in a separate window to the left side of the screen	Dec 09 03:05
prurigro	oh interesting	Dec 09 03:05
prurigro	for reference, basically	Dec 09 03:05
prurigro	and you can set this yourself?	Dec 09 03:05
cubefc1	you can turn it on and off	Dec 09 03:06
prurigro	hmm, I think I've seen a vim plugin that does that	Dec 09 03:06
prurigro	sorta	Dec 09 03:06
prurigro	can't remember the name...	Dec 09 03:06
cubefc1	some of those 3270 terminals had 24 function keys	Dec 09 03:07
cubefc1	ok, so you could write XEDIT macros in REXX	Dec 09 03:08
cubefc1	so it was pretty powerful as editors go	Dec 09 03:08
prurigro	ohhh, so xedit is purely the little module eh?	Dec 09 03:08
prurigro	I guess something like that could only be thought of in the days prior to windowing	Dec 09 03:08
cubefc1	it didn't seem _that_ long ago :)	Dec 09 03:09
prurigro	lol	Dec 09 03:09
cubefc1	at least I didn't use teletypewriters	Dec 09 03:09
prurigro	haha	Dec 09 03:09
prurigro	you should grab one	Dec 09 03:10
prurigro	and ttylinux	Dec 09 03:10
prurigro	:)	Dec 09 03:10
cubefc1	some of the folks in #classiccmp have them	Dec 09 03:10
prurigro	yea?	Dec 09 03:12
cubefc1	but personally I'd rather have a PDP11/45 with some terms	Dec 09 03:12
prurigro	or you could always get a current day server with a term and see how that setup is too ;)	Dec 09 03:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @AnneCruyt oh! Fijn - Focus group van wat? Iets waarbij ik kan helpen?		Dec 09 03:13
cubezzz	I have a lot of projects on the go	Dec 09 03:13
prurigro	haha	Dec 09 03:15
prurigro	enough for now then eh?	Dec 09 03:15
cubezzz	I'll have to settle for emulation for a lot of it	Dec 09 03:15
prurigro	I suppose the thing about modern gear is that its pretty much always going to be slightly better than what we have now, rather than a completely different wavelength like back then	Dec 09 03:15
prurigro	at least post virtualization	Dec 09 03:15
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cubezzz	I'm not even sure if our old setup had bitmapped graphics on those 3270's	Dec 09 03:16
cubezzz	I know the PDP11 had some sort of video card	Dec 09 03:18
prurigro	bitmapped fonts are pretty recent aren't they?	Dec 09 03:18
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cubezzz	ok, the word is 3270 can't do bitmapped graphics at all	Dec 09 03:19
prurigro	haha, not super surprised	Dec 09 03:19
cubezzz	well, let me think	Dec 09 03:19
cubezzz	first computer to use bitmapped graphics	Dec 09 03:20
cubezzz	I guess alto	Dec 09 03:20
cubezzz	but for me it was vic-20	Dec 09 03:21
prurigro	linux is barely getting into that now, no?	Dec 09 03:21
cubezzz	with it's amazing 176x184 resolution	Dec 09 03:21
prurigro	cubezzz: you should try building an up to date arch box with kde3.5	Dec 09 03:21
prurigro	that'd be seriously unique	Dec 09 03:21
cubezzz	open suse 12.1 has it	Dec 09 03:22
prurigro	cubezzz: damn, you don't say-- I guess it was more windowing systems that lost bitmapping for a while due to the extra video memory that'd take up eh?	Dec 09 03:22
cubezzz	vector graphics will be the future I suppose	Dec 09 03:23
prurigro	and damn, really? though opensuse likely has a rather large overhead?	Dec 09 03:23
prurigro	you were talking about keeping your OS small	Dec 09 03:23
prurigro	(my first arch setup, gui and all was on an eee701)	Dec 09 03:23
cubezzz	right, so I'll start using vector graphics 20 years after it comes out :)	Dec 09 03:23
prurigro	with 4 gigs of disk space	Dec 09 03:23
prurigro	and haha, why not jump onto vector sooner?	Dec 09 03:23
cubezzz	well I don't think we actually have it in the field yet	Dec 09 03:24
cubezzz	ok, for small OS, plan 9 is pretty small	Dec 09 03:24
prurigro	vector graphics?	Dec 09 03:24
cubezzz	yes, for everything	Dec 09 03:24
prurigro	haha, well I mean, small up to date OS with downloadable updates	Dec 09 03:25
cubezzz	like a vector gui	Dec 09 03:25
cubezzz	vector-based gui	Dec 09 03:25
prurigro	and haha, a vector gui eh? smart phone web browsers are getting in that direction	Dec 09 03:25
cubezzz	well for small... unix v5 is small	Dec 09 03:26
cubezzz	amigados 1.3 is small	Dec 09 03:26
cubezzz	those are _small_ operating systems, plan 9 is small and modern	Dec 09 03:26
prurigro	ttylinux is pretty small too	Dec 09 03:26
prurigro	8 megabyte filesystem	Dec 09 03:26
cubezzz	oh, toms root boot fits on one 3.5" diskette	Dec 09 03:27
cubezzz	beat that :)	Dec 09 03:27
prurigro	lol, not on a modern OS I won't	Dec 09 03:27
cubezzz	it's fast	Dec 09 03:27
cubezzz	but I must admit I rarely use it	Dec 09 03:28
prurigro	not needing glibc is probably a nice start	Dec 09 03:28
cubezzz	amigados 1.3 isn't bad	Dec 09 03:29
cubezzz	in the 80's a lot of folks didn't even have a hard drive with their computers	Dec 09 03:29
cubezzz	in fact, we had mini cassette drives	Dec 09 03:29
prurigro	I definitely didn't have a hard drive with mine	Dec 09 03:30
prurigro	never used the tape though	Dec 09 03:30
prurigro	mind you, I loved programming turning logic based on the use of one	Dec 09 03:31
prurigro	one of my fav classes in uni	Dec 09 03:31
cubezzz	Turing?	Dec 09 03:31
cubezzz	or Logo? :)	Dec 09 03:32
prurigro	you know-- given a tape and a theoretical turning machine, input string A and output string B	Dec 09 03:32
cubezzz	you mena Turing Machine	Dec 09 03:32
cubezzz	mean	Dec 09 03:33
prurigro	err	Dec 09 03:33
cubezzz	there's no n	Dec 09 03:33
prurigro	yea, I'm in disbelief that I put one	Dec 09 03:33
prurigro	talk about habitual typing eh	Dec 09 03:33
prurigro	man all this talk has gotten me a hankering for a commodore 64 emulation go	Dec 09 03:35
cubezzz	ha, I made a PC c64 keyboard	Dec 09 03:35
prurigro	made?	Dec 09 03:35
prurigro	the keyboard was the computer	Dec 09 03:35
cubezzz	I got skull and crossbones on the windows keys	Dec 09 03:35
cubezzz	yeah for use with vice	Dec 09 03:35
prurigro	oh fun	Dec 09 03:36
sebsebseb	cubezzz: vice ?	Dec 09 03:36
prurigro	is vice64 the defacto c64 emu these days?	Dec 09 03:36
cubezzz	the Versatile Commodore Emulator	Dec 09 03:37
cubezzz	it's all the 8-bit commodore machines	Dec 09 03:37
sebsebseb	oh ok	Dec 09 03:37
sebsebseb	I guess	Dec 09 03:37
prurigro	you guess eh?	Dec 09 03:38
prurigro	=D	Dec 09 03:38
prurigro	I just downloaded sidplay2 after a long ass time	Dec 09 03:39
prurigro	the other day	Dec 09 03:39
prurigro	such classic tunes	Dec 09 03:39
cubezzz	the old unix kernel was like 50K	Dec 09 03:39
cubezzz	so you had a 256K PDP11 :)	Dec 09 03:39
prurigro	I wonder how small you could get the openbsd kernel these days	Dec 09 03:40
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cubezzz	actually it was 128KW	Dec 09 03:40
prurigro	fine tuned to a specific machine	Dec 09 03:40
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prurigro	linux seems to be under a meg if its custom tailored	Dec 09 03:40
cubezzz	then the PDP11/73 had 4 megs of ram, wow :)	Dec 09 03:41
cubezzz	for the rich PDP dudes	Dec 09 03:41
prurigro	that's a ton for its day	Dec 09 03:41
prurigro	seriously	Dec 09 03:41
prurigro	man cubezzz: you should meet a guy I talk to in the cjdns channel	Dec 09 03:41
cubezzz	oh?	Dec 09 03:41
prurigro	he's from about the same era as you, and is a total hobbyist as well	Dec 09 03:42
cubezzz	tell him about #classiccmp then	Dec 09 03:42
cubezzz	or maybe he's already in there	Dec 09 03:42
prurigro	lets see if he uses freenode...	Dec 09 03:43
prurigro	nadda	Dec 09 03:43
prurigro	I guess I'll have to then	Dec 09 03:43
cubezzz	I guess atari 2600 is the earliest home thing that used bit mapped graphics	Dec 09 03:44
cubezzz	there was gunfight... what was that...1975?	Dec 09 03:44
cubezzz	very primitive	Dec 09 03:44
prurigro	haha, what gen did you start in cubezzz?	Dec 09 03:44
prurigro	I assume you've moved backwards a bit from your initial go	Dec 09 03:44
prurigro	for curiosity's sake	Dec 09 03:45
cubezzz	well I wanted a home computer before there was such a thing	Dec 09 03:45
prurigro	haha, I'm glad I was born at the start of the home computing era :)	Dec 09 03:45
cubezzz	I got a typewriter instead :)	Dec 09 03:45
prurigro	lmao	Dec 09 03:45
cubezzz	I'm not even that old	Dec 09 03:46
cubezzz	46	Dec 09 03:46
prurigro	ahh, ya got 20 years on me :)	Dec 09 03:46
cubezzz	msb_ is the senior here	Dec 09 03:47
prurigro	but yea, 46 isn't old at all	Dec 09 03:47
prurigro	oh?	Dec 09 03:47
cubezzz	some of my customers are pretty old	Dec 09 03:47
cubezzz	get this...	Dec 09 03:47
prurigro	I go by telomere age and general openness, which are pretty hard to gauge via numbers	Dec 09 03:48
cubezzz	"let me tell you about the 30's"	Dec 09 03:48
prurigro	haha	Dec 09 03:48
prurigro	my grandma didn't enjoy those either	Dec 09 03:48
cubezzz	it sucked	Dec 09 03:48
cubezzz	people today have nothing to complain about	Dec 09 03:48
prurigro	she's a genius at the stocks now days though	Dec 09 03:48
prurigro	sick computer that rivals mine	Dec 09 03:48
prurigro	age is not a good basis beyond a starting point of expectations I figure	Dec 09 03:49
prurigro	and haha, yea, well, I think the legit complaints mostly involve a fear of going back to the way things were then	Dec 09 03:49
cubezzz	she went through the depression _and_ used windows 1.0	Dec 09 03:50
prurigro	your customer you mean?	Dec 09 03:50
cubezzz	and Xerox which one was it... ummm	Dec 09 03:50
cubezzz	Xerox Star	Dec 09 03:50
cubezzz	prurigro, yes	Dec 09 03:50
prurigro	haha, my grandma was definitely using dos and xeros	Dec 09 03:50
prurigro	you sure she's not your customer? ;)	Dec 09 03:50
cubezzz	which city?	Dec 09 03:50
prurigro	Ottawa	Dec 09 03:51
cubezzz	no :)	Dec 09 03:51
cubezzz	yes I'm sure :)	Dec 09 03:51
cubezzz	there's some similarities for sure	Dec 09 03:51
prurigro	well, we have at least two smart grandmotherly figures then haha	Dec 09 03:51
prurigro	maybe the depression got some gumbo into people that wasn't there in the generation born in the 50s	Dec 09 03:51
prurigro	tho thinking about it... most of my family members on my dad's side are pretty high tech considering	Dec 09 03:52
cubezzz	well...	Dec 09 03:52
prurigro	err, my dad's generation	Dec 09 03:52
prurigro	rather	Dec 09 03:52
cubezzz	there were computers in the 50's	Dec 09 03:52
prurigro	there were	Dec 09 03:53
cubezzz	IBM 650	Dec 09 03:53
cubezzz	IBM 704	Dec 09 03:53
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cubezzz	MIT TX-0	Dec 09 03:53
prurigro	we're talking about university labs though	Dec 09 03:53
cubezzz	oh, and IBM 1620 too	Dec 09 03:53
cubezzz	in Canada, no	Dec 09 03:54
prurigro	oh no?	Dec 09 03:54
cubezzz	no computers in Universities until the 60's	Dec 09 03:54
prurigro	ahh, the dawn of the internet	Dec 09 03:54
prurigro	headed up along with this chap http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Brand	Dec 09 03:55
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cubezzz	prurigro, are you Canadian?	Dec 09 03:55
prurigro	yup	Dec 09 03:55
cubezzz	you sound a bit Canadian	Dec 09 03:55
cubezzz	ha	Dec 09 03:55
prurigro	you are too aren't you?	Dec 09 03:56
cubezzz	I was born in Ireland, but yeah I'm a Canadian citizen	Dec 09 03:56
prurigro	oh get out, that I hadn't picked up	Dec 09 03:56
prurigro	get here before or after 13 years?	Dec 09 03:56
cubezzz	did you know we had a Canadian computer?	Dec 09 03:56
cubezzz	the Nabu 1100	Dec 09 03:56
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cubezzz	immigrated in 1967	Dec 09 03:57
prurigro	and at 46, that places you at getting here when you were 1?	Dec 09 03:58
prurigro	definitely no accent then	Dec 09 03:58
cubezzz	Toronto mostly	Dec 09 03:58
prurigro	I'd consider you pretty homebrew	Dec 09 03:58
prurigro	though toronto has a culture of its own	Dec 09 03:58
prurigro	these days at least	Dec 09 03:58
cubezzz	Oshawa	Dec 09 03:58
cubezzz	Whitby	Dec 09 03:58
prurigro	ahh, that's a little more Canadian then haha	Dec 09 03:58
prurigro	Mississauga gets a pass too ;)	Dec 09 03:59
cubezzz	Oakville	Dec 09 03:59
cubezzz	ah now I remember	Dec 09 03:59
cubezzz	Waterloo got the Bendix G-15	Dec 09 03:59
cubezzz	around 1960 something	Dec 09 04:00
prurigro	http://computer.wikia.com/wiki/Nabu ?	Dec 09 04:00
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prurigro	and word, you don't say-- my dad was in Carleton by the late 60s	Dec 09 04:00
cubezzz	yes, that's it	Dec 09 04:00
prurigro	and I believe he was doing punch cards by then	Dec 09 04:00
prurigro	the other nabu wasn't canadian?	Dec 09 04:01
cubezzz	ah, forgot about the 1200	Dec 09 04:01
prurigro	I'm surprised your family didn't come to ottawa	Dec 09 04:01
prurigro	historically, its practically little ireland	Dec 09 04:01
prurigro	or big even haha	Dec 09 04:01
prurigro	they owned the town	Dec 09 04:01
cubezzz	Toronto had a lot of Irish	Dec 09 04:02
cubezzz	but I think it was just easier to get work	Dec 09 04:02
prurigro	hmm, maybe it was just all irish? haha	Dec 09 04:02
prurigro	and hmm, yea, I guess- at least for commerce	Dec 09 04:02
prurigro	ottawa's always had a lot of government jobs	Dec 09 04:02
cubezzz	are you saying the Nabu 1200 wasn't Canadian?	Dec 09 04:02
prurigro	no, I was asking if it was	Dec 09 04:03
prurigro	the wiki didn't say	Dec 09 04:03
cubezzz	to the best of my knowledge it is	Dec 09 04:03
prurigro	and you'd only mentioned the 1100	Dec 09 04:03
prurigro	it'd make sense, based on your followup	Dec 09 04:03
cubezzz	right, not 100% sure about that	Dec 09 04:03
prurigro	so at least one computer haha	Dec 09 04:03
prurigro	and by canadian, do you mean the cpu? manufacture?	Dec 09 04:03
cubezzz	not a great track record though :-/	Dec 09 04:04
cubezzz	ah, probably not the cpu	Dec 09 04:04
prurigro	haha, well these days everything comes from all over	Dec 09 04:04
cubezzz	there was one other	Dec 09 04:05
prurigro	if you wanna say where your computer as a whole came from, likely from a dozen countries	Dec 09 04:05
cubezzz	The Wynchester system	Dec 09 04:05
prurigro	lol, now that sounds canadian	Dec 09 04:05
prurigro	musta sucked though eh	Dec 09 04:05
prurigro	too young to play with university computers	Dec 09 04:05
cubezzz	http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/s100/h/wynch.jpg	Dec 09 04:06
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prurigro	but born early enough not to get the personal computer till your teens	Dec 09 04:06
prurigro	oh damn	Dec 09 04:06
cubezzz	I used computers in 1975 at GM open house	Dec 09 04:06
prurigro	general motors?	Dec 09 04:06
cubezzz	yes	Dec 09 04:06
prurigro	lol	Dec 09 04:06
prurigro	random	Dec 09 04:07
cubezzz	oh and the Science Centre had a tic-tac-toe machine	Dec 09 04:07
prurigro	I guess they were more the way of the future at that point eh?	Dec 09 04:07
cubezzz	the mid-70's was the height of the mini era	Dec 09 04:07
prurigro	that like the toronto museum or science n' tech?	Dec 09 04:07
prurigro	oh hm	Dec 09 04:07
prurigro	so I guess you would have been able to purchase one, technically, by then eh?	Dec 09 04:07
prurigro	by ~10yrs or so?	Dec 09 04:08
cubezzz	the 1100 was z80, and the 1200 was 8086 I think	Dec 09 04:08
cubezzz	quite different machines	Dec 09 04:08
prurigro	perfect time to prime your long term interests, even	Dec 09 04:08
Diablo-D3	cubezzz: wtf tandy numbers?	Dec 09 04:08
cubezzz	no, not Tandy... Nabu	Dec 09 04:08
Diablo-D3	oh	Dec 09 04:08
prurigro	cubezzz: get out, I could program asm on the 1200 then eh? haha	Dec 09 04:08
cubezzz	you could program asm on anything :)	Dec 09 04:09
prurigro	well I only know 8086 asm	Dec 09 04:09
prurigro	due to a lack of need elsewhere	Dec 09 04:09
cubezzz	ah	Dec 09 04:09
cubezzz	no 6502 then	Dec 09 04:09
prurigro	:(	Dec 09 04:09
prurigro	I suppose arm would be the new arch to pick up	Dec 09 04:10
cubezzz	funny, I don't think I ever saw a Nabu for sale	Dec 09 04:11
cubezzz	I think Nabu was from Ottawa, probably why	Dec 09 04:11
prurigro	wait, it was so small that it was only for sale in the city of origin?	Dec 09 04:12
cubezzz	no, not just one city.. and it's possible I just can't remember seeing one and I did see one	Dec 09 04:12
cubezzz	the NABU network used DEC computers for the host	Dec 09 04:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] The Wikipedia article on Kenya is shitty, It needs to be updated and fleshed out. Any takers? /cc @nj3ma @kelzOKO @fredmanglis @dennismungai		Dec 09 04:15
prurigro	oh word, there was a network eh?	Dec 09 04:15
cubezzz	http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/nabu/h/nabupc.jpg	Dec 09 04:15
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cubezzz	yeah	Dec 09 04:15
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cubezzz	look up Telidon on youtube	Dec 09 04:16
cubezzz	some guy recorded it onto VHS then transferred it to digital	Dec 09 04:16
prurigro	oh man, this nabu looks sick	Dec 09 04:18
prurigro	much more quality than the c64, despite likely having far less support	Dec 09 04:18
cubezzz	well...	Dec 09 04:21
cubezzz	c64 was like a million times more common	Dec 09 04:22
prurigro	yea, sometimes it pays to go with the crowd, in some respects eh?	Dec 09 04:22
cubezzz	ok, IBM had something called GDDM... the Graphical Data Display Manager	Dec 09 04:23
cubezzz	prurigro, the Telidon graphics are a bit c64-like	Dec 09 04:27
cubezzz	not sure was resolution was used	Dec 09 04:27
prurigro	hmm interesting-- was it technically a 'resolution' back then?	Dec 09 04:29
cubezzz	sure	Dec 09 04:30
cubezzz	well, at least character graphics	Dec 09 04:30
cubezzz	there's docs, let me check	Dec 09 04:31
prurigro	kk	Dec 09 04:36
prurigro	I just threw scale2x on in vice, and it felt dirty :)	Dec 09 04:48
cubezzz	the Nabu computer used TMS 9918A video display processor	Dec 09 04:53
cubezzz	graphics I mode 256x192	Dec 09 04:54
cubezzz	multicolor mode provides 64x48 color-dot display with 16 colours	Dec 09 04:54
prurigro	oh crazy	Dec 09 04:55
prurigro	that's quite a bit lower than a television screen	Dec 09 04:55
prurigro	I guess that's why monitors were so tiny when they were legit back then	Dec 09 04:55
cubezzz	well the vic-20 was even lower res	Dec 09 04:56
cubezzz	the 1200 was probably a bit better	Dec 09 04:57
prurigro	hmm interesting-- did monitors have overscan back then?	Dec 09 04:59
cubezzz	well there was interlaced video modes	Dec 09 05:00
cubezzz	on amiga 1080 I could do 640x400, where normally I could only do 640x200	Dec 09 05:00
prurigro	ironic, if the amiga 1080 came out today you'd think that res would be higher	Dec 09 05:01
cubezzz	really old monitors were composite only	Dec 09 05:02
cubezzz	so more like a tv without a tuner	Dec 09 05:02
prurigro	yup, I still have my converter	Dec 09 05:02
cubezzz	1080 is pretty old... mine was made in nov 1985	Dec 09 05:03
prurigro	that's not that old	Dec 09 05:04
prurigro	most of my original gear is slightly older than that	Dec 09 05:04
cubezzz	yes, but what monitor?	Dec 09 05:04
cubezzz	the 1080 was the one of the earliest amiga monitors	Dec 09 05:04
prurigro	ohhhh, that was the monitor!	Dec 09 05:05
prurigro	I thought you meant the output of the comptuer	Dec 09 05:05
prurigro	computer*	Dec 09 05:05
cubezzz	no, that's the model # of the monitor	Dec 09 05:05
prurigro	kk, that makes much more sense	Dec 09 05:06
prurigro	yea, I didn't get my first monitor till the 90s	Dec 09 05:06
cubezzz	CGA was 640x200	Dec 09 05:06
cubezzz	but the amiga could do much more colours	Dec 09 05:06
cubezzz	in 1983 IBM introduced the 5153 Color Display	Dec 09 05:07
prurigro	now why did we have minors > televisions back then anyway?	Dec 09 05:07
prurigro	lack of overscan?	Dec 09 05:07
prurigro	esp if they're jus tcomposite	Dec 09 05:08
cubezzz	well TVs had chromatic distortion	Dec 09 05:08
cubezzz	and computers had limited memory	Dec 09 05:09
prurigro	oh, like you'd need to put more processing power into removing this distortion?	Dec 09 05:09
cubezzz	no	Dec 09 05:09
cubezzz	it's the limitations of composite video	Dec 09 05:09
cubezzz	the colours would bleed into each other, e.g. red and blue	Dec 09 05:10
cubezzz	RGB monitors fixed that problem	Dec 09 05:10
cubezzz	but there wasn't anything like that until 1983	Dec 09 05:10
cubezzz	technically NTSC could have 486 visible raster lines	Dec 09 05:11
prurigro	oh hmm, was monochrome really still out by 1983?	Dec 09 05:11
cubezzz	not just mono, but composite	Dec 09 05:12
cubezzz	stuff like 1701	Dec 09 05:12
cubezzz	before that we had b&w tvs for the "monitor"	Dec 09 05:13
cubezzz	so early stuff, like Apple IIe or c64 had what they called baseband composite video	Dec 09 05:15
cubezzz	but the c64 had separate luminance/chrominance	Dec 09 05:15
prurigro	what do you mean by that? like an old school graphics driver	Dec 09 05:16
cubezzz	ok the video output of the c64 had basically two RCA cables	Dec 09 05:18
cubezzz	one was for luminance, the other was chrominance	Dec 09 05:18
prurigro	oh hm, and then they'd both slide them under that screw thing and connect it to the television?	Dec 09 05:18
cubezzz	ok, so if you didn't have a monitor you went through the RF modulator	Dec 09 05:19
prurigro	yup	Dec 09 05:19
cubezzz	so that generates a boradcast RF signal that the TV can use	Dec 09 05:19
cubezzz	broadcast	Dec 09 05:19
cubezzz	it sucked, but it was better than nothing	Dec 09 05:20
cubezzz	in effect, it fakes the over-the-air signal	Dec 09 05:20
prurigro	it wasn't that bad, in my experience	Dec 09 05:24
prurigro	cubezzz: I guess I can see your point on that note though; if you're a business and you want some serious work going on, you don't want someone's productivity cut down because their letters were wobbling too much that day	Dec 09 05:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] #NoteToSelf #Twitter is shit @ context, don't blame people before checking identi.ca		Dec 09 06:12
MinceR	iirc HTTP supports multiple authentication methods, so it might be possible that lynx doesn't transmit it in the clear in some cases	Dec 09 06:20
MinceR	also, you can use HTTPS	Dec 09 06:20
prurigro	MinceR: does ftp over lynx use http?	Dec 09 06:20
MinceR	no	Dec 09 06:21
MinceR	that's FTP and FTPS	Dec 09 06:21
MinceR	and that might support multiple methods as well, but i'm not sure	Dec 09 06:21
prurigro	is ftps the same as sftp?	Dec 09 06:21
prurigro	I was kinda wondering if there might be some ssl enabled ftp that wasn't just ssh	Dec 09 06:22
prurigro	earlier	Dec 09 06:23
MinceR	no	Dec 09 06:23
MinceR	FTPS is FTP over TLS/SSL; SFTP is an SSH-based protocol (but not FTP)	Dec 09 06:23
prurigro	ohh, so there is then	Dec 09 06:23
prurigro	kk	Dec 09 06:23
prurigro	interesting	Dec 09 06:23
prurigro	that might be the sol'n , then	Dec 09 06:23
MinceR	sftp uses some special helper program on the server side	Dec 09 06:23
prurigro	yea, likely cat	Dec 09 06:24
prurigro	output or a binary or what have you to shell and have your sftp program gobble up the output like a download	Dec 09 06:24
prurigro	err, output a binary*	Dec 09 06:25
MinceR	https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/SSH_File_Transfer_Protocol	Dec 09 06:27
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MinceR	there's also FISH, which drops a shell script on the server side and uses that as the helper	Dec 09 06:28
prurigro	oh smart	Dec 09 06:28
MinceR	(it might work with just shell commands, i'm not sure)	Dec 09 06:28
prurigro	though that still assumes *sh	Dec 09 06:28
prurigro	or rather, it does, right?	Dec 09 06:29
MinceR	probably	Dec 09 06:31
MinceR	https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Files_transferred_over_shell_protocol	Dec 09 06:32
TechrightsBot-tr	Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden	Dec 09 06:32
prurigro	so I guess sftp servers would at least require cygwin	Dec 09 06:32
prurigro	oh cool	Dec 09 06:33
prurigro	I wonder how many sftp apps have this embedded	Dec 09 06:33
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prurigro	oh man http://www.kongregate.com/games/TerryCavanagh/vvvvvv-demo <- addictive	Dec 09 06:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @Archit: "Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it. " http://x.hck.in/uCH8m8 /cc @nj3ma @dennisMungai @RamanusAsango @saisi_		Dec 09 07:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] If you are in the business of selling what people do NOT need, appealing to their vanity is your best bet of making sales.		Dec 09 07:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Bye bye, Adobe AIR. Hello Open Standards. #justsayin http://ur1.ca/6ir3z		Dec 09 08:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @jwildeboer Bye bye, Adobe AIR. Hello Open Standards. #justsayin http://ur1.ca/6ir3z		Dec 09 08:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @jwildeboer Bye bye, Adobe AIR. Hello Open Standards. #justsayin http://ur1.ca/6ir3z		Dec 09 08:20
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prurigro	An open equiv of AIR would be pretty nice, on that note	Dec 09 08:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] !Tizen is not only for phones... #Tizen is also a global product...		Dec 09 08:23
MinceR	i think that's what SSB-s are :>	Dec 09 09:09
prurigro	?	Dec 09 09:10
MinceR	site-specific browsers	Dec 09 09:14
prurigro	are you referring to AIR?	Dec 09 09:15
MinceR	yes	Dec 09 09:16
prurigro	ahh, I think another difference is that the 'application' is locally cache'd	Dec 09 09:16
prurigro	and can make calls a web application can't	Dec 09 09:17
prurigro	to give it self windowing properties	Dec 09 09:17
prurigro	something we wouldn't want websites to be able to do again	Dec 09 09:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Spotting Counterfeit Chips Is Hard; Spotting Digital Piracy Is Even Harder - http://bit.ly/rpcxQV counterfeits &l piracy are different		Dec 09 09:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] RT @cyberkiller Yesterday a coworker saw my !kde desktop and was surprised that !linux looks so great "why did I ever bought a mac?" he ...		Dec 09 09:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Council Of Europe Sees Human Rights Concerns In Internet Restrictions http://ur1.ca/6isnf		Dec 09 09:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] the cloud: amazing pair of interlinked tower blocks in South Korea, due to be completed 2015 - http://bit.ly/uyW1IQ #architecture		Dec 09 09:48
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koolhead11	schestowitz: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/india-no-longer-a-preferred-destination-for-it-companies-156516	Dec 09 09:49
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koolhead11	another PR stunt and lobbying	Dec 09 09:50
koolhead11	:P	Dec 09 09:50
MinceR	prurigro: HTML5 has provisions for local caching and storage	Dec 09 09:51
prurigro	MinceR: right, so all we need is are those window manager calls, like the ability to minimize to the dock etc	Dec 09 09:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Now, ever since I posted this, it's difficult for me not to put this phrase into my texts. It's a "don't think of a kangaroo" problem.		Dec 09 09:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 now finally allowed to be sold in Australia. Apple lost the appeal, case still going on though.... http://b1t.it/8nQ		Dec 09 09:58
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MinceR	prurigro: i like the idea of protecting the desktop from webapps	Dec 09 10:06
prurigro	me too	Dec 09 10:06
MinceR	allowing a systray icon and popup notifications is nice though	Dec 09 10:06
prurigro	though that's kind of the beauty of separating things	Dec 09 10:06
MinceR	and at least one SSB supports that already	Dec 09 10:06
MinceR	well, the tray icon part	Dec 09 10:07
prurigro	does it?	Dec 09 10:07
MinceR	i don't think i've seen passive popups yet	Dec 09 10:07
MinceR	prism/webrunner had support for it, iirc	Dec 09 10:07
MinceR	chrome might too	Dec 09 10:07
MinceR	prism might need an extension to do it though	Dec 09 10:07
MinceR	i couldn't get prism to work on 64bit	Dec 09 10:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] #nuffsaid http://ur1.ca/6iu17		Dec 09 10:08
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prurigro	MinceR: hmm, webrunner is no longer developed :(	Dec 09 10:10
MinceR	indeed	Dec 09 10:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Why does !Hotot support lists but not groups? That's topsy turvy. Everyone uses groups here, don't they?		Dec 09 10:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Does a woman have a right to know if her partner's had a vasectomy? I witnessed an altercation on this today, split along gender lines		Dec 09 10:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] So with all the new stuff like Facebook subscribe etc. a question arises. A serious question. Is Facebook part of the w... http://b1t.it/8oN		Dec 09 10:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] PayPal Payment Method Is Coming To !Ubuntu Software Center \| LinuxNov http://goo.gl/68uA2		Dec 09 10:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Three myths about innovation \| opensource.com http://goo.gl/Agn9z It's not the same as invention		Dec 09 10:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MT @stshank Spotify CEO Daniel Ek: "We felt most important thing was we had to create a product that was better than #piracy" #cnet #leweb		Dec 09 10:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Linux !Mint Swap Banshee Affiliate Code, Take 100% of Profits http://goo.gl/Qo57A /by @omgubuntu		Dec 09 10:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] When people hand over the commenting function of their blog to Facebook or Googleplus, they are discriminating those th... http://b1t.it/8oZ		Dec 09 10:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] In the interest of shareholder value, it seems preferable to leverage our other linguistic assets to deliver outperfomance in the social web		Dec 09 11:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Yeah, it looks very dodgy, on the face of it at least. Maybe someone will explain		Dec 09 11:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] BTW - I hate being sick. Stupid cold ties me to being locked up. Hrmpf.		Dec 09 11:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] As President Dilma Rousseff to save the #Amazon - http://bit.ly/uI4Db9 before it's too late #brazil		Dec 09 11:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @telecomix: Threats and censorship are the new ethics in communications. Mirror and spread: http://t.co/3gQwmUBV #cometik #streisand		Dec 09 11:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Results of publicly funded research will be open access – UK science minister - http://bit.ly/s5jBKT fab; prizes too (v @z_rose) #oa		Dec 09 11:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Heh. "The High Court today agreed with Samsung and the judges said Apple's special leave would be "denied with costs". ... http://b1t.it/8pH		Dec 09 11:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] For me, thinking of some websites I want to set up, it is now "Mobile first!" and "node.js to the rescue". Pure open st... http://b1t.it/8pT		Dec 09 11:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Should you wonder why I am a passport officer of the United Transnational Republics in my spare time: http://www.notont... http://b1t.it/8p7		Dec 09 11:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Revealed: The #Wikipedia pages changed by Bell Pottinger - http://bit.ly/vA62ES shows the value of audit trails #lobbying		Dec 09 11:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Monsanto undermined by damning US report - http://bit.ly/uengGX resistance growing - in all senses		Dec 09 11:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Germany: Auctioning an Opportunity to Shake Down Filesharers … - http://bit.ly/sGeM3C huge numbers: seems pretty abusive		Dec 09 11:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Call At OHCHR For Policy Action On Right To Enjoy Benefits Of Scientific Progress - http://bit.ly/unK024 #openaccess, #opendata, #opensource		Dec 09 11:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Here's How Android Has Destroyed Symbian In China - http://bit.ly/vn51fg wow: #android 58%, #iOS 6%; if confirmed, winner is clear		Dec 09 11:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why #Bitcoin is a Foundational Change That Won’t Go Away - & Could Change Everything - http://scr.bi/uFaMr1 well written, if over the top		Dec 09 12:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RIAA Label Artists & A-List Stars Endorse Megaupload In New Song - http://bit.ly/txx2Mf this is too wonderful #sopa		Dec 09 12:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Dolphin-browser responded to my question about data-collection. Gave me this link: http://is.gd/MNdm5k #Android		Dec 09 12:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open Data Day 2011 – Recaps from Around the World - http://bit.ly/ugYHj1 useful #opendata		Dec 09 12:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] 1. we need a push to change law to except Free licenced work.		Dec 09 12:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] 2. perhaps without this important exception, more people would see copyright for what it is.		Dec 09 12:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] 2. perhaps without this important exception, more people would get the true nature of copyright.		Dec 09 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] 3. the same applies for the important educations exceptions.		Dec 09 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] 4. the educational exception is doubly dangerous since we let the young use the exception school but not elsewhere. They grok this?		Dec 09 12:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] My take… Microsoft needs 2 sell OEM Windows 8 4 a rip off fee, so they call tablets PCs so we can thoile it http://ow.ly/7TYjg		Dec 09 12:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] UK Uncut Christmas Special http://ow.ly/7TYSC		Dec 09 12:38
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prurigro	anyone in?	Dec 09 12:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] TeK > Governo espanhol endurece lei contra a pirataria - #es #mafiaa http://goo.gl/pnpB7		Dec 09 12:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Only one hour to go until !fsfe Web Friday. Come and join us! http://l.fsfe.org/webfri		Dec 09 13:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] "Ever since I can remember I have been popping my collar..." Yea. ladies and gentlemen, Tennessee is in the building! #OccupyOfficeStereo		Dec 09 13:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Microsoft Can Remotely Kill Purchased Apps - Slashdot - #dirtytricks #mobile #treacherouscomputing http://goo.gl/W6Kz9		Dec 09 13:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RD @cobbo3 .bi & .rw revenue bodies sign agreement to establish a one-border post at Gasenyi on the Burundian side.E. Africa, look & learn.		Dec 09 13:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RD @ kibee $('year').rewind();		Dec 09 13:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT VickyRedbone The new twitter for iPhone sucks. Don't update!		Dec 09 13:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @VickyRedbone The new twitter for iPhone sucks. Don't update!		Dec 09 13:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Linux in Hollywood (2003) - #floss \| every movie you watch is powered by #gnulinux http://goo.gl/SRO7A http://ur1.ca/6j99h		Dec 09 13:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] "it would create an additional 977 local IT jobs" Seriously?		Dec 09 13:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] SFPD sergeant orders officers: "If [#Occupy protesters] do not do what you tell them, strike them." http://identi.ca/url/62012704		Dec 09 13:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] My pal just received an email from Muammar Gaddafi's daughter on his Yahoo. Oh,dear.		Dec 09 13:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] RT @polvani It's almost !fsfe Web Friday. Come and join us! http://l.fsfe.org/webfri @karsten		Dec 09 13:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] LISA ’11 Boston: Women in Tech Panel « Máirín Duffy - http://goo.gl/tbirH		Dec 09 14:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] And here we go: !fsfe Web Friday has started http://l.fsfe.org/webfri <-- come and join us		Dec 09 14:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Excelente site para Gamers no Linux! Excellent site for Linux Gamers! http://www.liflg.org/		Dec 09 14:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Microsoft implements yet another reason not to buy http://goo.gl/FfKOt well done Steve, keep up the corporate suicide		Dec 09 14:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] How Tech Vendors Help Governments Spy On Their Citizens - Slashdot - #policestate #surveillance http://goo.gl/DDjBL http://goo.gl/QUdDo		Dec 09 14:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Google Chrome is the most secured browser - new study from Register by Dan Goodin http://ow.ly/7U5KJ		Dec 09 14:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] on freenode? checking.		Dec 09 14:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @jmcest @techdirt: Chinese Internet Users Relish Irony Of SOPA's Great Firewall Of America http://t.co/X37tGYQt		Dec 09 14:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Sign up for our Open content licensing for educators workshop Jan 23-27 w/@cc_aotearoa & #OER Fndn: http://ur1.ca/6im2d #OCL4Ed		Dec 09 14:33
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DaemonFC	a bunch of post offices are going to be shut down	Dec 09 14:36
DaemonFC	someone finally noticed they were running dedicated post offices in towns with like 100 people that had to drive to the next town over to do their grocery shopping anyway	Dec 09 14:36
DaemonFC	what a wasteful organization	Dec 09 14:36
prurigro	lol	Dec 09 14:37
prurigro	hey DaemonFC	Dec 09 14:37
DaemonFC	the post office runs at a loss every year and don't even worry about it because more tax money will always be given to them by Congress	Dec 09 14:38
DaemonFC	;)	Dec 09 14:38
DaemonFC	morning	Dec 09 14:39
prurigro	the american postal service?	Dec 09 14:39
DaemonFC	yeah	Dec 09 14:39
prurigro	better a bit of waste in that than the military, I figure	Dec 09 14:39
DaemonFC	they do stupid things like overpay and overhire for people that do menial labor	Dec 09 14:39
DaemonFC	and open and keep running redundant offices	Dec 09 14:39
prurigro	government run things aren't really known to be efficient, but they're typically a good thing overall	Dec 09 14:40
DaemonFC	and then everyone wonders why they go back to Congress every year and ask for more subsidies	Dec 09 14:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Great #Polish posters and graphics from around the WWII. ur1.ca/6jbzx /cc @zstanska		Dec 09 14:40
DaemonFC	they don't need to shut down the mail an extra day every week, they need to make some organizational changes though	Dec 09 14:41
DaemonFC	like hiring extra mail carriers instead of paying out a lot of overtime	Dec 09 14:41
DaemonFC	and refusing to deal with unions	Dec 09 14:41
DaemonFC	some carriers make upwards of $18 an hour because they've been there so long	Dec 09 14:41
DaemonFC	and those are the ones that aren't worried about being fired, so they stuff mail into the wrong mailboxes a lot	Dec 09 14:41
DaemonFC	and do things slowly to milk a few extra hours on the clock	Dec 09 14:42
prurigro	well yea, there needs to be a balance	Dec 09 14:42
prurigro	slow working, maybe we can overlook that	Dec 09 14:42
prurigro	fucking with the product, not cool	Dec 09 14:42
DaemonFC	making $18 an hour and milking the overtime because you know they can't fire you is one thing	Dec 09 14:44
prurigro	yea, I mean, whatever- some people are slow	Dec 09 14:45
DaemonFC	fucking up my packages and leaving them at the neighbor's house while making $18 an hour and committing time clock theft is too much	Dec 09 14:45
prurigro	and one less person above the poverty line is a good thing	Dec 09 14:45
DaemonFC	they need to get rid of the union and fire some of these people	Dec 09 14:45
DaemonFC	hire ones that do their job	Dec 09 14:45
prurigro	lost/damaged mail should result in getting fired tho	Dec 09 14:45
prurigro	unless there's a good reason	Dec 09 14:45
prurigro	and its not a repeat case	Dec 09 14:45
DaemonFC	I'm not saying they should be paid poverty wages	Dec 09 14:45
prurigro	yea, I hear ya	Dec 09 14:46
prurigro	just that they shouldn't get a pass when your mail doesn't show up for the third ime	Dec 09 14:46
prurigro	time*	Dec 09 14:46
DaemonFC	expecting them to do their job properly for $12-14 an hour with minimal overtime and no lost and damaged mail is reasonable	Dec 09 14:46
DaemonFC	generous even	Dec 09 14:46
prurigro	oh well, I mean, that's generous compared to the rest of the country mayb	Dec 09 14:46
prurigro	maybe*	Dec 09 14:46
DaemonFC	what they have now is so far beyond the line I call reasonable it's downright shameful to even look at	Dec 09 14:46
prurigro	but what's reasonable is everyone getting minimum 16/hr	Dec 09 14:46
DaemonFC	they hire people with no college degree	Dec 09 14:47
DaemonFC	and the job requirements are basically	Dec 09 14:47
DaemonFC	drive around town	Dec 09 14:47
DaemonFC	put mail in the right box	Dec 09 14:47
DaemonFC	occasionally deliver a package that's 60 pounds or less	Dec 09 14:47
prurigro	should that mean they can't send their kids to college though?	Dec 09 14:47
DaemonFC	$14 an hour for that is way beyond what any other job like that will pay	Dec 09 14:47
DaemonFC	you get a job like that at UPS, you start out around $11.50 an hour	Dec 09 14:48
DaemonFC	and the work is harder	Dec 09 14:48
DaemonFC	and if you screw around, they just fire you	Dec 09 14:48
DaemonFC	so I use UPS when I need a courier because the USPS is so bloated and decadent and will screw up anything I ask them to do	Dec 09 14:48
prurigro	you're thinking relative though	Dec 09 14:49
prurigro	mabye they're the only ones being reasonable	Dec 09 14:49
DaemonFC	UPS or FedEx (which have nothing to do with the government) do a better job at reasonable rates and don't damage, misdeliver, and hide their real price in my taxes	Dec 09 14:49
prurigro	they might be better managed, but that doesn't mean paying someone less than the poverty line is cool	Dec 09 14:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: My speech to #ifreedom conference about how ICT can support democracy across the world h http://p.ost.im/p/eDv5M2		Dec 09 14:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: Across world, ICT supports freedom of speech. Let's help struggle for democracy http://t http://p.ost.im/p/eUeVmY		Dec 09 14:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Announcing a new $10,000 match from Blake Krikorian to power up donations. Every $1 = $4 for EFF! http://ur1.ca/6hwrx		Dec 09 14:52
DaemonFC	bbiab	Dec 09 14:52
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prurigro	for shizzle- take it easy!	Dec 09 14:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Three myths about innovation \| http://red.ht/sUOH3v #hackmanagement		Dec 09 15:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Interesting. "Eat Fish - They Feed Themselves" - http://ur1.ca/6jczu		Dec 09 15:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] another great day at #Tizen summit. had a great panel discussion with @lbt_ @avengermojo and @cramp about community/co-operative interfacing		Dec 09 15:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Why would Google Currents NOT be available to me in Singapore? http://ur1.ca/6jdku		Dec 09 15:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Good to see Monty Program supporting LibreOffice - hopefully we'll see Base improve as a result: http://wmk.me/v9xArY		Dec 09 15:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] indeed; i've tried very hard with them, but it seems that the anti-anti-negative-negative culture is deeply ingrained in that group.		Dec 09 15:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] sounds like "window lists" ala win7 (and those who have since copied it). wouldn't be too hard to do.		Dec 09 15:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @webmink Good to see Monty Program supporting LibreOffice - hopefully we'll see Base improve as a result: http://wmk.me/v9xArY		Dec 09 15:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Former employee sues James Cameron over 'stolen' Avatar idea http://gu.com/p/342vk		Dec 09 15:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] MPL v2 RC3 submitted for OSI approval - looks like a shoo-in to me: http://wmk.me/vPphPg		Dec 09 15:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[spa33/@spa33] Wau-Holland-Stiftung sammelt nur Geld für !Wikileaks, nicht für Assange-Verteidigung. Aus Gründen. !piraten (via @andreasdotorg)		Dec 09 15:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #Nomovok #SteelRat demos and picture concept phone also be shown at the !Qt devdays in !Beijing http://identi.ca/attachment/62021057		Dec 09 15:47
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amarsh04	is Novomok a company developing software for Nokia?	Dec 09 15:49
amarsh04	Nomovok rather?	Dec 09 15:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] icon tasks already supports a couple forms of skip lists; kdevelop would just need to implement it on kdev's side. or a sessions plasmoid ..		Dec 09 15:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] both kate and konsole have such plasmoids, btw. also, window lists should really be implemented in libtaskmanager.		Dec 09 15:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] problem is that it's an ongoing pattern of behaviour, one they are aware of and which persists. apologies are sometimes already too late.		Dec 09 15:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the penny dropped that I don't really need to multiboot on the netbook, so I'm about to put the new #Crunchbang on it		Dec 09 15:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] A programmer sprinkled with pepper and oregano, perhaps? SCNR ;-)		Dec 09 16:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: Great news from UK -results from #telehealth pilot suggest mortality rates 45% down. BLO http://p.ost.im/p/eU6TBg		Dec 09 16:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: @presroi @flueke The reporting of @NeelieKroesEU's spokesman @ECspokesRyan's statements at http://t.co/3CrR http://p.ost.im/p/eDcrV5		Dec 09 16:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Usenix: Google deploys IPv6 for internal network (Computerworld): http://bit.ly/tBog7v		Dec 09 16:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Motorola Wins Patent Dispute Against #Apple In #Germany http://ur1.ca/6jfbf Apple products are violating multiple a pa http://ur1.ca/6jfbh		Dec 09 16:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Attack #Iran? Don't try arguing that with George Galloway - YouTube - #nato #stateterrorism #israel http://ur1.ca/6jfny		Dec 09 16:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Hilary Clinton tells world leaders, "hands off the Internet"; US prepares its own censorship regime http://identi.ca/url/62023705 !eff		Dec 09 16:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] U.S. government seeks to block Manning defense witnesses http://identi.ca/url/62023739		Dec 09 16:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Apple using patents to undermine open standards again http://identi.ca/url/62024110 !eff !fsf		Dec 09 16:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: Guardian piece http://t.co/HFVnF5Qg on the European #OpenData Strategy @NeelieKroesEU will announce on 12/1 http://p.ost.im/p/eDnTFU		Dec 09 16:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Assange: Using iPhone, Gmail, BlackBerry? You're screwed! — RT - #surveillance #policestate #wikileaks #spyfiles http://goo.gl/4KVao		Dec 09 16:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #Nomovok #SteelRat Tablet UX on Acer Iconia Tab (Tegra2) with full H/W accel #Tizen compliant http://identi.ca/attachment/62025823		Dec 09 17:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] Visualizing Everything Facebook Knows about You, http://ur1.ca/6jh3k		Dec 09 17:00
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cubezzz	hmmm, netzero has "accelerated dial-up" for $15 per month	Dec 09 17:02
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DaemonFC	I presented my landlord with a typed letter outlining some issues that he keeps ignoring me on	Dec 09 17:04
DaemonFC	he's not ignoring them now	Dec 09 17:04
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 09 17:04
cubezzz	kind of lame how they don't explicitly support Linux though	Dec 09 17:04
DaemonFC	this is ridiculous	Dec 09 17:04
DaemonFC	you tell him something is broken, it takes a year of nagging him to get him to fix it	Dec 09 17:05
DaemonFC	he tries telling me that since utilities are going up, he may have to increase rent	Dec 09 17:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Help seed the CentOS-6.1 install media torrents.. http://ur1.ca/6jh9f #gnu #linux #centos #romania #redhat		Dec 09 17:05
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DaemonFC	to which I countered "They capped property tax and that's why everything else has gone up, so how much have the costs of that house actually gone up in total"	Dec 09 17:05
DaemonFC	that's when he changed the subject :)	Dec 09 17:06
DaemonFC	he hasn't quite figured out that he's dealing with a tenant that's not an alcoholic who will accept anything he says without too much thought	Dec 09 17:06
DaemonFC	but I take it he's getting there	Dec 09 17:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] RT @kirschner @JanAlbrecht and other MEPs asked questions about Non- !freesoftware #advertisement in the #EP http://ur1.ca/6jgyk !fsfe ! ...		Dec 09 17:07
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DaemonFC	turn the whole world over to me	Dec 09 17:07
DaemonFC	I guarantee it can't get worse	Dec 09 17:07
DaemonFC	sometimes you have to really wonder who is taking care of the issues that come up in day to day running of government	Dec 09 17:08
DaemonFC	when you have highly paid "officials" to take care of it	Dec 09 17:08
DaemonFC	and they run everything like the post office	Dec 09 17:08
DaemonFC	when they have a money pit, they don't fix the money pit	Dec 09 17:08
DaemonFC	they let it grow as they shovel more of my money into it	Dec 09 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @kirschner @JanAlbrecht and other MEPs asked questions about Non- !freesoftware #advertisement in the #EP http://ur1.ca/6jgyk !fsfe ! ...		Dec 09 17:08
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DaemonFC	the US is managed worse than most governments as they proclaim it is the other governments who are full of tax and waste policies	Dec 09 17:09
DaemonFC	apparently giving more money to fraud is better than spending money to make sure everyone has health insurance	Dec 09 17:10
DaemonFC	fraud = OK	Dec 09 17:10
DaemonFC	Letting 45,000 uninsured Americans die every year for being an American is OK	Dec 09 17:11
DaemonFC	whatever sacrifices we have to make so that the people at Halliburton get their checks on time	Dec 09 17:11
DaemonFC	you'd kind of expect a national government to be more disconnected from the realities that its citizens are facing	Dec 09 17:13
DaemonFC	but local government (at least where I am) is acting like a miniature US Congress	Dec 09 17:13
DaemonFC	don't cut waste, take more	Dec 09 17:14
DaemonFC	when people get sick of the high taxes and leave	Dec 09 17:14
DaemonFC	squeeze whoever stayed more	Dec 09 17:14
DaemonFC	it gets worse every year, maybe once they've finished scaring off anyone who can leave into leaving and max out every tax the state law allows them to, and they have like 50 people left.....	Dec 09 17:15
DaemonFC	meh	Dec 09 17:15
DaemonFC	bad government	Dec 09 17:16
DaemonFC	ran by cronies of whatever proxy the local Republican party got into office this time	Dec 09 17:16
DaemonFC	each one gets rid of their predecessor by screaming about unreasonable taxes	Dec 09 17:16
DaemonFC	then raises them all again	Dec 09 17:17
DaemonFC	MinceR: Is the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of Hungaristan still worse?	Dec 09 17:20
*DaemonFC has to ask again :D		Dec 09 17:20
MinceR	it's getting worse steadily	Dec 09 17:20
DaemonFC	this time they have some braindead automated trash pickup scheme that's supposed to save money	Dec 09 17:21
DaemonFC	so it saved them so much that our garbage bill went up again	Dec 09 17:21
DaemonFC	it's just a bad government laid out like a sandwich	Dec 09 17:22
DaemonFC	top to bottom	Dec 09 17:22
DaemonFC	the top layer is reorganizing the post office wrong so that every major money wasting problem is still there but we get another day with no mail and slower delivery	Dec 09 17:23
DaemonFC	the bottom layer is telling me that their more efficient trash scheme will raise my rates	Dec 09 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Thanks to everyone who participated in !fsfe Web Friday! You rock :)		Dec 09 17:23
MinceR	it's not "People's" or "Socialist" though, it's the National Democratic National Kingdom of National Hungary National	Dec 09 17:23
MinceR	:>	Dec 09 17:23
MinceR	(from jan 1, it won't have "Republic" in its name)	Dec 09 17:24
DaemonFC	the naming committee must have been divided	Dec 09 17:28
DaemonFC	so they approved everything that was up for consideration at once	Dec 09 17:28
DaemonFC	and you have your current name	Dec 09 17:28
MinceR	no, they officially call it "Hungary" from jan 1 instead of "Republic of Hungary"	Dec 09 17:29
MinceR	but they do like to put "national" and "Szell Kalman" on everything	Dec 09 17:29
DaemonFC	they changed the name to make it sound like more of a dictatorship	Dec 09 17:29
DaemonFC	when they admit that's what it is, look out	Dec 09 17:29
MinceR	i suspect they want to officially change it from being a republic	Dec 09 17:30
MinceR	and put the crown on orban's head	Dec 09 17:30
MinceR	after all, the country was a "kingdom" (without a king) during the previous nazi dictatorships	Dec 09 17:30
DaemonFC	beats having to hold those pesky elections that don't guarantee you'll hold power	Dec 09 17:30
DaemonFC	more efficient this way	Dec 09 17:30
MinceR	and a (usually "People's") republic during the communist dictatorships	Dec 09 17:30
DaemonFC	the FreeBSD 9 kernel is now an option in Debian/kFreeBSD	Dec 09 17:32
DaemonFC	it does represent a major improvement over 8.2	Dec 09 17:32
DaemonFC	but still doesn't do what I need from it	Dec 09 17:32
DaemonFC	yawn	Dec 09 17:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Android's Revenge on Apple's iPhone & iPad http://ur1.ca/6jik4 #mobile #cellphone #android #gnu #linux #ipad #iphone #apple #motorola		Dec 09 17:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Apple banned from selling 3G-enabled devices in Europe http://ur1.ca/6jik4 I'm getting popcorn. (via @rsandu)		Dec 09 17:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Non-free software advertisement: Questions being ased in the European Parliament http://ur1.ca/6jgyk #eu #software #europe #gnu #foss		Dec 09 17:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Good summary of #Apple ban in Europe http://ur1.ca/6jiri (DE) Can we all agree now that #swpat are silly?		Dec 09 17:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Wikileaks - The Spy files - #spyfiles #world #surveillance http://ur1.ca/69tj2		Dec 09 17:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Results of publicly funded research will be open access – science minister http://ur1.ca/6i8kt #egovt #opendata #uk		Dec 09 17:57
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prurigro	hallo all	Dec 09 18:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Thanks to the Play It Forward gamer soundtrack @pifalbum. Proceeds go 50/50 to @EFF & @CPCharity! Hear: https://eff.org/r.J79		Dec 09 18:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Proof Apple tried to pull a fast one on Samsung, now with fancy graphics http://identi.ca/url/62030828		Dec 09 18:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] RT @kirschner @JanAlbrecht and other MEPs asked questions about Non- !freesoftware #advertisement in the #EP http://ur1.ca/6jgyk !fsfe ! ...		Dec 09 18:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @karsten Thanks to everyone who participated in !fsfe Web Friday! You rock :)		Dec 09 18:15
TechrightsBot-tr	Title: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it (by @baekdal) #opinion .::. Size~: 31.7 KB	Dec 09 18:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Linux Mint switches Banshee's Amazon MP3 store referral code http://ur1.ca/6jjpw		Dec 09 18:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @karsten Good summary of #Apple ban in Europe http://ur1.ca/6jiri (DE) Can we all agree now that #swpat are silly?		Dec 09 18:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @karsten: Good summary of #Apple ban in Europe http://ur1.ca/6jiri (DE) Can we all agree now that #swpat are silly?		Dec 09 18:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Czyżby "Rzeczpospolita" dołączyła właśnie do zgrai "polskojęzycznych mediów"? ur1.ca/6jk1n !polska		Dec 09 18:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Stable kernels 2.6.32.50, 3.0.13, and 3.1.5 released http://ur1.ca/6jk4i		Dec 09 18:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @bigbrovar: ...Local transactions by Kenya’s mobile money service, M-Pesa exceeds Western Union’s global transactions goo.gl/mag/GtOjd		Dec 09 18:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] European Commission will make major announcement Monday about PSI Directive - http://goo.gl/FOFlg ht @jwyg		Dec 09 19:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Hii tabia ya ku-lewa solo kwa room ina giza ...		Dec 09 19:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] HP to open-source webOS http://ur1.ca/6jlof		Dec 09 19:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is whistlewright from parlementum.net with 103 dents!		Dec 09 19:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Donate $50. Get a t-shirt. #CC Annual Campaign: http://ur1.ca/68wn8		Dec 09 19:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #GoldmanSachs whistleblower threatened with the sack http://gu.com/p/34xtp		Dec 09 19:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] hacking up some code to make it easier to sip and click from my n900. Why the hell would I ever want a device I couldn't write a script for?		Dec 09 19:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @x11r5: Wurdpatriciovsubduccinazca - what he said		Dec 09 19:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @john Dear HP: Please use the #GPL for #WebOS, and make sure there are no proprietary build or flashing tool requirements. !fsf		Dec 09 19:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @michelenlared #Spotify on !Linux Works for Free Accounts, Offers 15 Million Tracks” — http://ur1.ca/6jmed #ubuntu		Dec 09 19:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @lwnnet HP to open-source webOS http://ur1.ca/6jlof		Dec 09 19:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @grote After #HP liberated #WebOS http://is.gd/azI0uy the fate of the platform will depend on the supply of new devices to run it o ...		Dec 09 19:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @grote #HP apparently decided to make #WebOS #FreeSoftware. Thanks HP, now I've to think twice which phone I'll buy http://is.gd/9YLA ...		Dec 09 19:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @lwnnet Stable kernels 2.6.32.50, 3.0.13, and 3.1.5 released http://ur1.ca/6jk4i		Dec 09 19:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @karsten Good summary of #Apple ban in Europe http://ur1.ca/6jiri (DE) Can we all agree now that #swpat are silly?		Dec 09 19:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @lwnnet Linux Mint switches Banshee's Amazon MP3 store referral code http://ur1.ca/6jjpw		Dec 09 19:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] HP: WebOS Is Now an Open Source Project http://ur1.ca/6jmi5 #hp #webos #mobile #cellphone #software		Dec 09 19:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] FreedomBox - libertate la cutie (I) http://ur1.ca/6jmlg #romania #ittrends #freedombox #gnu #debian #internet #linux		Dec 09 19:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] except that nearly every single statement he makes is false. we didn't replace everything in a rewrite; qt5 will not be the same at qt4 ..		Dec 09 19:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] .. the ui is provably less cluttered, his examples of winxp and OS X being new and sucky and then maturing are no different, etc. etc. etc.		Dec 09 19:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] he makes an argument full of bluster, sophistry and anger wit ~0 facts to go by. not impressive, even if it feels cathartic.		Dec 09 19:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] RT @mgraesslin Finally found the bug in sliding popups. Now I am confident that the animations are done correctly.		Dec 09 19:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] wonder what English club will use the Rooney precedent when appealing against a violent conduct charge with the FA !football #doublestandard		Dec 09 19:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] i already have it in my panel :) by default? i'm waiting until we have the API solid, a few more plugins and apps using it.		Dec 09 19:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Crunchbang install went fine on the netbook, with guided encrypted LVM, will do the updates and tweaks later		Dec 09 20:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] What I want this holiday: @HP to release #WebOS under #GPL and no proprietary tools for building/flashing it -- http://ur1.ca/6jn1d !gnu !lp		Dec 09 20:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @kevie: #WebOS being open sourced says HP http://b1t.it/8Cv		Dec 09 20:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Pissed Off Penguins A Free and Open-Source Game http://ur1.ca/6jnlp #game #gnu #linux		Dec 09 20:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] Heard about printer security bugs? For real security, we need freedom to fix them, not more restrictions: http://ur1.ca/6jnf7 !fsf !gnu		Dec 09 20:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] http://ur1.ca/6jnm1 #sip_and_click		Dec 09 20:17
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DaemonFC	full time job taking care of my mother	Dec 09 20:20
DaemonFC	I hope she doesn't break anything else	Dec 09 20:20
DaemonFC	I put the wheelchair on the other side of the room or else she tries to get herself in it and push herself over that piled carpet to the bathroom	Dec 09 20:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Meg Whitman announces HP will make !webOS’s underlying code available under an !opensource license http://ow.ly/7UCVQ		Dec 09 20:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Woot? http://ur1.ca/6jo19		Dec 09 20:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Robert Kennedy's Assassin Claims He Was Under Mind Control \| The Vigilant Citizen #vc #xfiles http://goo.gl/PLkc5		Dec 09 20:33
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DaemonFC	"While the news will certainly be welcomed by webOS enthusiasts (myself included), let’s not forget that HP sunk over $3 billion dollars into the webOS experiment before ultimately giving it away for free."	Dec 09 20:34
DaemonFC	that sounds like HP	Dec 09 20:34
DaemonFC	while they make you call India for tech support, they're wasting $3 billion on WebOS	Dec 09 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] Post from the command line using wget? sure thing!		Dec 09 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Facebook releases a PHP just-in-time compiler (Computerworld): cwrld.us/sd761G		Dec 09 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Esta Semana (2011/49) – EUA/CIA e a Revolução das Cores na Rússia de Putin; Wikileaks: The Spy Files « O Vigia #blog http://goo.gl/pSbdR		Dec 09 20:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] So it looks like those HP touchpad firesales turned out to be real bargains after all?		Dec 09 20:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Cloudera gets proactive with Hadoop management (The Register): http://bit.ly/uaNkNv		Dec 09 20:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security updates for Friday http://ur1.ca/6jong		Dec 09 20:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Thx to recently proposed U.S. legislation, Netflix will finally be able to allow you to share your video watches (Reg): http://bit.ly/sMjbPd		Dec 09 20:48
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sebsebseb	hi	Dec 09 20:57
MinceR	j0	Dec 09 20:58
sebsebseb	MinceR: hi	Dec 09 21:01
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MinceR	https://mobile.twitter.com/Angela_D_Merkel	Dec 09 21:06
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DaemonFC	Angela_D_Merkel Agreement of 26 in summary: Cross fingers, cover eyes, ask Santa Claus for cash. #eurosummit	Dec 09 21:10
DaemonFC	hmmm	Dec 09 21:10
MinceR	:)	Dec 09 21:11
koolhead17	.........	Dec 09 21:16
DaemonFC	I'd like to find a KDE 4.8 beta ppa somewhere	Dec 09 21:17
DaemonFC	the only thing I can find is that Project Neon thing and I don't want any of that	Dec 09 21:17
DaemonFC	How to blow up your system or get stuck upgrading KDE daily	Dec 09 21:18
MinceR	you could search for one, or make one :>	Dec 09 21:18
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 09 21:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Crăciun regal: Principesa Moștenitoare în Harper's Bazaar http://ur1.ca/6jpqd #romania #europe #royal #monarchy #craciun #christmas		Dec 09 21:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Motorola wins injunction against #Apple, could spell trouble for EU sales http://goo.gl/KZpE1 live by the sword, die by the sword #patents		Dec 09 21:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @thistleweb #Motorola wins injunction against #Apple, could spell trouble for EU sales http://goo.gl/KZpE1 live by the sword, die by ...		Dec 09 21:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Shockingly Unshocking: Two Congressional Staffers Who Helped Write SOPA/PIPA Become Entertainment Industry Lobbyists http://goo.gl/vldIj		Dec 09 21:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Major artists record song to benefit MegaUpload, even as RIAA vilifies it as a "pirate site" http://identi.ca/url/62044266		Dec 09 21:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Stupid cold. Stupid sneezing. Time for some sleep.		Dec 09 21:38
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DaemonFC	KDE 4.8 is supposed to have some major architectural changes	Dec 09 21:52
DaemonFC	not that 4.7 didn't already, but 4.8 finishes up a lot of what 4.7 started	Dec 09 21:53
DaemonFC	KDE decided to end the 4.7 series a little early	Dec 09 21:53
DaemonFC	4.7.4 is the last of the series	Dec 09 21:53
DaemonFC	they usually end up with 5-6 point releases per series	Dec 09 21:53
DaemonFC	I don't blame them, 4.7.4 is very stable	Dec 09 21:54
DaemonFC	http://web.archive.org/web/20110514152130/http://kerneltrap.org/node/6550	Dec 09 21:55
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DaemonFC	" It is sad to me though that everyone has ignored the work of Loic Duflot who basically showed how horrid the X server security model is."	Dec 09 21:55
DaemonFC	MIT MAGIC COOKIE for the lulz	Dec 09 21:55
DaemonFC	it will talk to any client that has the right magic cookie	Dec 09 21:56
DaemonFC	even if someone stole it from an authorized system and is using it to fake a session authorization	Dec 09 21:56
DaemonFC	that will never be fixed	Dec 09 21:56
DaemonFC	I've always set my systems to ignore critical commands sent "remotely"	Dec 09 21:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] if HP thinks WebOS is so good, why do most of their websites pages say "HP recommends Windows 7"?		Dec 09 21:57
DaemonFC	like shut down or restart	Dec 09 21:57
DaemonFC	I'm not fundamentally opposed to running a BSD as a desktop system, I know how, I've done it before when I used Nvidia and Linux graphics drivers were just as bad as kind of a pet project	Dec 09 22:00
DaemonFC	but proprietary Nvidia is the only thing that works with any reliability on PC-BSD at least	Dec 09 22:01
DaemonFC	though they never mention it, any RadeonHD past the 4000 series does nothing and the rest rely on unmaintained code that just got dropped after Mesa 7.11 for 3d support	Dec 09 22:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Most popular this week: How we almost lost Doom 3 and id for good by tkep \| http://red.ht/tOYJxg		Dec 09 22:02
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DaemonFC	they document that part, nowhere (that I found)	Dec 09 22:02
DaemonFC	and ended up having to actually try running it with a few of my own cards to figure out where the support began and ended	Dec 09 22:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] HP to make #webOS an open source project - The H Open Source - #floss http://goo.gl/z09vT		Dec 09 22:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] "A record one in seven American families is currently on food stamps. In 2011, more than 46.2 million people received a... http://b1t.it/8GM		Dec 09 22:13
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DaemonFC	'the way I understood the "Creative" (talk about an ironic name for that company!) situation is that they patented an algorithm that John Carmack independently discovered around the same time, and they agreed not to sue him as long as id software licensed their bullshit EAX audio "technology" and put Creative's logo on every box	Dec 09 22:14
DaemonFC	that code was also not included, but it's hardly a loss	Dec 09 22:15
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Lirodon	Silverjoke 5 is out	Dec 09 22:15
Lirodon	Do people still care? Time will not tell, they don't!	Dec 09 22:15
DaemonFC	yeah, they released it only because it was almost finished when they decided to end Silverlight	Dec 09 22:15
DaemonFC	big companies with big projects can take a while to wind a division down	Dec 09 22:16
DaemonFC	and it makes no sense to call it quits when the next version is almost done	Dec 09 22:16
Lirodon	also Metro/VB is useless for enterprise apps. Lack of System.Management is awful, period	Dec 09 22:16
DaemonFC	VB.NET is not much of a maintenance issue	Dec 09 22:17
DaemonFC	it's becoming nearly identical to C# with a slight syntax difference to make it more comfortable for people who knew VB	Dec 09 22:18
DaemonFC	I think they'll eventually fold it into C# and tell people to use C#	Dec 09 22:18
DaemonFC	" I am very easy to get along with, but I don't have time to waste being nice to people who are being stupid." -Theo de Raadt	Dec 09 22:20
DaemonFC	lol	Dec 09 22:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] It's interesting in small doses :)		Dec 09 22:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] C\|Net's download-dot-com and the abuse of the trust of open source communities: http://wmk.me/vCNLMj [by me, on CWUK]		Dec 09 22:48
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Diablo-D3	Lirodon: the hilarious part	Dec 09 23:00
Diablo-D3	microsoft already dropped support for silverlie	Dec 09 23:00
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Diablo-D3	gasp! a microsoft supporter!	Dec 09 23:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @webmink: C\|Net's download-dot-com and the abuse of the trust of open source communities: http://wmk.me/vCNLMj [by me, on CWUK]		Dec 09 23:02
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MinceR	lol	Dec 09 23:04
MinceR	also, lol @ metro enterprise apps	Dec 09 23:04
MinceR	now you too can put your entire enterprise into the threat of m$ killswitching a key part of your IT infrastructure!	Dec 09 23:05
MinceR	i'm sure it's really worth it for an ie-based gui made of garishly colored rectangles	Dec 09 23:06
MinceR	(from the most recent, We're Not Even Trying Anymore -- And It Shows period of m$)	Dec 09 23:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Don't forget! http://bit.ly/sAdgcP We have an #LCA2012 attendees twitter list you can follow! @andymc73 and @rillian are now on it too :-)		Dec 09 23:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Samsung slays Apple in tablet war http://ow.ly/7TUqN - The Age		Dec 09 23:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] .@EFF reviews the Download.com debacle and tells CNET what they have to do to make it right: https://eff.org/r.1JA		Dec 09 23:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] !tzag Evening !Identiverse however not much left of it now.		Dec 09 23:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Donate drive now open! Ada Initiative Supporting women in open technology and culture http://ow.ly/7TVPc		Dec 09 23:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] The #blacklist bills are ripe for abuse, part 2: expanded government powers and domain name seizures https://eff.org/r.J6B		Dec 09 23:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Hamano: GitTogether 2011 http://ur1.ca/6juus		Dec 09 23:57
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