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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] EU Parliament: Subjects of EU extraditions like Assange, have no meaningful rights - Gerard Batten http://t.co/LQdk0yMWDec 13 00:00
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prurigroanyone heard of youhavedownloaded dot com? (don't visit the page, on that note)Dec 13 00:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] How convenient. http://ur1.ca/6n82wDec 13 00:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Danny Sullivan - Google+ - Apparently, all those shopping deals sites that were too… .::. Size~: 49.73 KBDec 13 00:19
cubezzzprurigro, yes, it's nothing to worry aboutDec 13 00:23
cubezzzat least for me :)Dec 13 00:23
prurigrohahaDec 13 00:23
prurigrowell it isDec 13 00:23
prurigrobut it changed an hour or two agoDec 13 00:23
prurigrohave you noticed the difference?Dec 13 00:23
cubezzzI plugged my ip in there and they don't know I existDec 13 00:23
cubezzzanyway, I got my tinfoil hat onDec 13 00:24
prurigrohahaDec 13 00:24
prurigrowellDec 13 00:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Adblock Plus To Offer 'Acceptable Ads' Option - Slashdot - #addons #floss http://goo.gl/W5ISrDec 13 00:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Adblock Plus To Offer 'Acceptable Ads' Option - Slashdot .::. Size~: 200.18 KBDec 13 00:24
prurigrosomeone apparently attempted to steal their databaseDec 13 00:24
cubezzzin Cancuck-land we pay a surcharge on blank media anywaysDec 13 00:25
prurigroso now to prove you're a human, you need to login with facebookDec 13 00:25
prurigro(I thought we stopped paying the surcharge on media?)Dec 13 00:25
cubezzzwhen was this?Dec 13 00:25
prurigroanyway, normally, for the RIAA to catch someone downloading their stuff, they need to rely on an ISP to give up the personal details of the person attached to an ipDec 13 00:26
prurigro(when was the media charge ended, or when did the facebook thing go up?)Dec 13 00:26
cubezzzI'm sure the RIAA couldn't care less if I'm downloading 60's Dr Whos :)Dec 13 00:26
prurigrohahaDec 13 00:26
prurigrolikely notDec 13 00:26
prurigrobut just in a general tech-rights kinda directionDec 13 00:27
prurigroI believe that a company paying facebook for access to their tracking list without needing to rely on having people 'login' like the free sites doDec 13 00:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] This week in Internet censorship: Updates from Russia, Venezuela, Thailand and South Korea - https://eff.org/r.K8d #netfreedomDec 13 00:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: This Week in Internet Censorship: Updates from Russia, Venezuela, Thailand and South Korea | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 31.22 KBDec 13 00:27
cubezzzI don't even like new moviesDec 13 00:27
prurigrowould be able to ascertain the identity of someone downloading something of theirs to about the same accuracy as going through an ISPDec 13 00:28
prurigroand lol, well you might be safe, but I feel like this violation of privacy has the potential to go very bad for othersDec 13 00:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Life Possible On 'Large Regions' of #Mars : Discovery News - #scitek http://goo.gl/vjw9A | slashdot http://goo.gl/ufTS4Dec 13 00:29
prurigrodr who is pretty awesome, on a side note :)Dec 13 00:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Life Possible On 'Large Regions' of Mars : Discovery News .::. Size~: 58.56 KBDec 13 00:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Life Possible On 'Large Regions' of Mars - Slashdot .::. Size~: 237.8 KBDec 13 00:29
cubezzzprurigro, they found another couple of lost episodes recentlyDec 13 00:29
cubezzzBBC used to deliberately blank some mag tapesDec 13 00:30
cubezzzyou would think they would keep at least one Dec 13 00:30
prurigrolike old school ones?Dec 13 00:31
prurigroor  tennent?Dec 13 00:31
cubezzzHartnellDec 13 00:31
cubezzzyou're at the wrong end of the spectrum :)Dec 13 00:32
cubezzzactually I like Hartnell and Tom Baker Dec 13 00:32
cubezzzdon't like the new guys as muchDec 13 00:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Blackwater 3.0: Rebranded 'Academi' Wants Back in Iraq | Danger Room | Wired - #usa #xe #mic http://goo.gl/HcfEoDec 13 00:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Blackwater 3.0: Rebranded 'Academi' Wants Back in Iraq | Danger Room | Wired.com .::. Size~: 63.52 KBDec 13 00:37
prurigrocubezzz: wrong end you say? I'd argue the the first three seasons of the new dr who are the best of the series :)Dec 13 00:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia]   US Troops Begin Operations on the #Jordan- #Syria Border :  Information Clearing House - #ich #nato #stateterrorism http://goo.gl/7tuJ9Dec 13 00:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] 2011-Dec-18: Nir Geier gives a talk entitled: "HTML5 File API, File System API + NPAPI" http://ow.ly/1g8I85Dec 13 00:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] 2011-Dec-18: Zohar Arad gives a talk entitled: "Server-Client communication in HTML5" http://ow.ly/1g8I83Dec 13 00:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] 2011-Dec-18: Roee Sarusi gives a talk entitled: "Communicating between iframes using HTML5 postMessage" http://ow.ly/1g8I84Dec 13 00:40
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   US Troops Begin Operations on the Jordan-Syria Border :   Information Clearing House .::. Size~: 18.83 KBDec 13 00:40
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cubezzzprurigro, really? And have you watched all the episodes of Dr Who?Dec 13 00:42
prurigroI've not seen the old ones back to back, or all of them, but I've caught an episode here and thereDec 13 00:42
cubezzzright, hardly a fair comparisonDec 13 00:43
prurigroand while amazing, they didn't quite have the same depth, imoDec 13 00:43
prurigrothat could be trueDec 13 00:43
prurigrofollowing a plot definitely adds to itDec 13 00:43
cubezzzTennent (sp?) acted pretty sillyDec 13 00:43
prurigroall of them did ;)Dec 13 00:43
cubezzzsee, that's interesting because I don't think hartnell did act sillyDec 13 00:44
cubezzzsurely Tom Baker didDec 13 00:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2011-12-05 - 2011-12-11 http://ow.ly/1g8HKLDec 13 00:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2011-12-05 - 2011-12-11 - W3C Blog .::. Size~: 15.65 KBDec 13 00:44
cubezzzmaybe a little pompous evenDec 13 00:45
prurigrohe was passionate too thoughDec 13 00:45
cubezzzHartnell, not T BakerDec 13 00:45
prurigroI thought they all had a 'quirk' to themDec 13 00:45
cubezzzwell Englishmen, goes without saying :)Dec 13 00:46
prurigrowhether one considers that silly might depend on the personDec 13 00:46
prurigroyup hahaDec 13 00:46
prurigroshow couldn't have been done in any other culture imoDec 13 00:46
cubezzzI actually watched Dr Who in the 60'sDec 13 00:47
prurigrono kiddin' ehDec 13 00:47
prurigrotwas before my time alasDec 13 00:47
prurigroif you believe in the whole time thingDec 13 00:47
cubezzzyou can easily get all the old episodes, except for 27 that are still missingDec 13 00:48
cubezzz12 Hartnell, 15 TroughtonDec 13 00:48
cubezzzok, time to switch computers againDec 13 00:50
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prurigroare you collecting them cubefc1?Dec 13 00:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Fight the #blacklist bills: a toolkit for anti-#SOPA activism. https://eff.org/r.K6gDec 13 00:57
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cubefc1not sure what I have Dec 13 01:03
cubefc1I think I got The Tenth PlanetDec 13 01:03
cubefc1actually that was the last of the hartnell onesDec 13 01:04
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sebsebsebhiDec 13 01:04
cubefc1in the year 1986 :)Dec 13 01:05
cubefc1in the context of the show that isDec 13 01:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @evan Seriously growing to hate the amorphous "open source community" moniker. I prefer "freedom guerrillas".Dec 13 01:05
cubefc1the show was 1966 so 1986, 20 years into the "future"Dec 13 01:07
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schestowitz> The site got hit by spammers.  I've removed a few hundred spams, butDec 13 01:17
schestowitz> there are still many more to get but I can't reach them.  The limitDec 13 01:17
schestowitz> seems to be two days even though I've set the limit to more:Dec 13 01:17
schestowitz> Dec 13 01:17
schestowitz> http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=14&limit=1000&hideminor=0Dec 13 01:17
schestowitz> Dec 13 01:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Recent changes - Techrights .::. Size~: 213.73 KBDec 13 01:17
schestowitz> I can't get a longer list of recent pages even using a link like this one:Dec 13 01:17
schestowitz> http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&limit=1550&hideminor=0Dec 13 01:17
schestowitz> Dec 13 01:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Recent changes - Techrights .::. Size~: 213.73 KBDec 13 01:17
schestowitz> It's not listing beyond the 10th of December.Dec 13 01:17
schestowitz> One week has passed.  Is everything ok?Dec 13 01:18
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schestowitzGot back online (properly) just earlier today and caught up with some stuffDec 13 01:18
schestowitzI have another route for reaching the older spammer and deleting them. :-)Dec 13 01:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] This Is What Your ATM Will Look Like During a Banking Panic - #latvia #bankingsystem #collapse http://goo.gl/0tlbpDec 13 01:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Tinned goods, gold & guns: UBS meets Alex Jones? - YouTube http://ur1.ca/6na5qDec 13 01:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Tinned goods, gold & guns: UBS meets Alex Jones?       - YouTube .::. Size~: 143.11 KBDec 13 01:24
schestowitzWow. It seems like all the spammers have already been deleted. Well done! :-) :-) It was a mistake to let the anon-IP ban expire exactly whilst away (not imagined at the time)Dec 13 01:25
_GoblinHi Roy!Dec 13 01:27
schestowitzHey!Dec 13 01:27
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/965646 "This has perked my interest enough to try out as well [...] The screenshot looks like 2.3. I assume that's just a cosmetic thing. [...]  I couldn't get it to load on either of my desktops or my laptop :-/ Kept loading indefinitely at various stages"Dec 13 01:27
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schestowitz_Goblin: up so late?Dec 13 01:27
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_Goblinyeah.....Dec 13 01:27
_Goblinjust been painting some figures....Dec 13 01:28
_Goblinyou've not missed much....Dec 13 01:28
schestowitzYeahDec 13 01:28
schestowitzNews was quiet the past month or soDec 13 01:28
schestowitzNot much to pis in COLA eitherDec 13 01:28
schestowitz*postDec 13 01:28
_GoblinDiaspora has been goodDec 13 01:29
_Goblinand Ive caught up with a few people on G+Dec 13 01:29
schestowitz"Where is the Desura client's source code? it is free software? they take care about the games license? [..] @shackra Desura's client source code is being prepared by a small group of developers for a public release. The backend server code will remain proprietary. Desura takes care of licencing and allows game companies and open source foundations to release the games on their platform. [...]  ok, then I'll install the software when Dec 13 01:29
schestowitzit becomes free software! [...] @shackra Have a look at it around mid January then :D"Dec 13 01:29
schestowitzMore going on in diaspora than in COLA, FOSS-wiseDec 13 01:30
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/966065?all_comments=1Dec 13 01:30
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schestowitzI thought you said g\+ had lost its mojoDec 13 01:30
_Goblinyeah...but for direct chat its handyDec 13 01:30
schestowitz"thanks for the heads up =) " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/852471Dec 13 01:30
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_Goblin(especially for a few of my mainstream non tech mates)Dec 13 01:30
schestowitzDirect chat?Dec 13 01:30
schestowitzIn Diaspora?Dec 13 01:31
schestowitzI hardly see it usedDec 13 01:31
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_Goblinprobably notDec 13 01:31
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_Goblinsorry....confused chatlines....Dec 13 01:34
_GoblinI meant direct chat in G+Dec 13 01:34
_Goblinnot Diaspora....Dec 13 01:34
schestowitzoh, yeah :-)Dec 13 01:38
schestowitzAnyway, I got lots of news items to catch up withDec 13 01:38
schestowitzI also wrote some posts I need to publish :-)Dec 13 01:38
schestowitzAny chance of recording this week? Dec 13 01:38
_Goblinsee you later.....make sure you check out my sneek peek of Windows 8 on a tablet.....its posted over on Diaspora.Dec 13 01:38
_Goblinoh sorryDec 13 01:38
_Goblinyes....Dec 13 01:38
schestowitzRusty asked me about itDec 13 01:38
schestowitzyou tried the alpha?Dec 13 01:39
_GoblinI think we will all be a little "rusty" its been a number of weeks since we recorded.Dec 13 01:39
_Goblinbeg your pardon...I haven't posted it to Diaspora....Dec 13 01:40
_Goblinheres my sneak preview of Windows 8 in tablet.....Dec 13 01:40
_Goblinhttps://plus.google.com/114824920343832764896/posts/XNYNEZAm1t1Dec 13 01:40
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Tim Wilson - Google+ - HOT OFF THE PRESS!!! Windows 8 running on a tablet... I… .::. Size~: 46.31 KBDec 13 01:40
_GoblinI think you will agree its far more secure than Linux......you won't get malware on this tablet!Dec 13 01:41
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schestowitzNow with .1% market share :-)Dec 13 01:42
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_Goblinwell I'm sure it will be a hit...Dec 13 01:44
_Goblineven Microsoft won't be able to make that tablet BSODDec 13 01:44
_Goblinalthough......Dec 13 01:44
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schestowitzVista 8 tablet edition: the chair-filnging CEO's choiceDec 13 01:45
_GoblinI think you are being harsh Roy........ it looks like a solid piece of kit considering its a Microsoft product.Dec 13 01:47
_Goblinbattery life is not an issueDec 13 01:48
_Goblindropping it is not an issueDec 13 01:48
_Goblinno malwareDec 13 01:48
_Goblinno virus'sDec 13 01:48
_Goblinno expensive upgrades....Dec 13 01:48
_Goblinand the beauty of it is, when microsoft releases Windows 9, all they will have to do is paint it another colour and stick a different badge on....so its cheaper for Microsoft too!Dec 13 01:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @SaveBradley: Can you make it to the Dec 17th rally at Fort Meade? #freebrad #bradleymanning #wikileaks #occupy http://t.co/fIFvawv8Dec 13 01:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Astrud #Gilberto rhyming "sea" and "him" foreshadowed #Eurythmics rhyming "this" and "disagree". Just an observation.Dec 13 02:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Afgan War Diaries torrent released http://t.co/qQM1TmB5Dec 13 02:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] OpenSUSE: Poor Quality, Deficient Support, and Microsoft Dependence http://ur1.ca/6nbk3 #suse #novellDec 13 02:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Non Free Future of Windows http://ur1.ca/6nbkb #windows #drmDec 13 02:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Iraw War Logs torrent released http://t.co/HoiSBha9Dec 13 02:10
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scientesmore uefi secureboot i am sureDec 13 02:17
scientesmicrosoft is dead in tabletsDec 13 02:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] #Linaro contrib agreement goes to trouble of defining "IP Rights" to include "rights in get-up", then never uses the definition. !puzzledDec 13 02:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft’s OEM Stranglehold at State of Legal Risk http://ur1.ca/6nbsk #microsoft #oem #canadaDec 13 02:17
schestowitzalreadyDec 13 02:17
scientesyesDec 13 02:17
scientestotally, like no pulseDec 13 02:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Video: The WikiLeaks effect: the rebirth of investigative journalism? With Assange, Kauffman, Segnini, Li Xin http://t.co/CcpsMt4bDec 13 02:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Age of Speaking Out Against the Patent System http://ur1.ca/6nc3y #swpatsDec 13 02:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #FBI Rejects Freedom of Information Act Request About #CarrierIQ http://goo.gl/0A6NK #landofthefree - anyone surprised anymore?Dec 13 02:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the #OpenBox theme in the new #Crunchbang is VERY nice, still dark, but very classy #kudosDec 13 02:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @mlinksva: Fight the #blacklist bills: a toolkit for anti-#SOPA activism. https://eff.org/r.K6gDec 13 02:37
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schestowitzhmm... http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Manchester/2011-12-13Dec 13 02:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Lodsys #Microsoft Patent Trolls, #Apple and Microsoft Nemesis http://ur1.ca/6ncok #swpatsDec 13 02:45
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XFaCEschestowitz: you backDec 13 02:47
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schestowitzyeah, brbDec 13 02:51
schestowitzneed to post IRC logsDec 13 02:51
XFaCEkkDec 13 02:52
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Roy-liesOn my iPod Dec 13 02:52
Roy-liesLolDec 13 02:53
Roy-liesHey msb__ still stealing music??Dec 13 02:53
*_Goblin sets ban on *!*@*.72.38.204.9Dec 13 02:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] oh how sweet! some script kiddie tries to attack @bramalab's website. nice to have our own framework... ;)Dec 13 02:54
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XFaCE_Goblin: What the hell was that?Dec 13 02:54
_GoblinSour....Dec 13 02:54
_GoblinI think they are pleased Roy is back.Dec 13 02:55
XFaCE_Goblin: Anyone in particular?Dec 13 02:55
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XFaCE_Goblin: Michael in a costume?Dec 13 02:55
_GoblinThats Microsoft advocacy at its finest...Dec 13 02:55
_Goblinno not Michael.Dec 13 02:55
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XFaCE_Goblin: Faceless drone?Dec 13 02:55
XFaCEcubezzz: Get your usernames under control for cyring out loud! :)Dec 13 02:56
_Goblinwho knows....Dec 13 02:56
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cubezzzXFaCE, I'd love too but Bell is having DSL problemsDec 13 02:56
XFaCEcubezzz: AHAHAHA Bell.Dec 13 02:57
XFaCEcubezzz: Get Teksavvy already :PDec 13 02:57
cubezzzXFaCE, it wouldn't matterDec 13 02:57
XFaCEcubezzz: Also didn't know you were CanadianDec 13 02:57
XFaCEcubezzz: It would, Teksavvy has been a billion times more reliable for meDec 13 02:57
XFaCEcubezzz: And they have cable options tooDec 13 02:58
msb__72.38.204.9 -- Welland, Ontario, CanadaDec 13 02:58
XFaCEmsb__: My grandmother's there :PDec 13 02:58
XFaCEcubezzz: You have my symphony. No one wants to live in Welland. :)Dec 13 02:58
msb__That would be Brandon Lozza.  He's in Ontario.Dec 13 02:59
_Goblinno...Dec 13 02:59
_Goblinhe doesn't nymshift (according to him)Dec 13 02:59
msb__What a jerk!Dec 13 02:59
XFaCEmsb__: Err, that's the location of the troll?Dec 13 02:59
msb__It's the location of 72.38.204.9Dec 13 02:59
_Goblinalthough msb__ I have to say your phonecall was ill-advised...Dec 13 02:59
XFaCEmsb__: Brandon lives closer to Hamilton IIRCDec 13 02:59
XFaCEcubezzz: Where are you? :DDec 13 03:00
msb___Goblin: That phone call was many months ago, before he turned nasty.Dec 13 03:00
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_Goblinfirstly because it was uninvited (which I would class as rude) but secondly because you should have seen that you cant reason with the "Bell" in any way....you were asking for trouble.Dec 13 03:00
msb__Bell?Dec 13 03:00
_Goblinput it infront of his nym....... you get what I think of himDec 13 03:01
XFaCEmsb__: The worst ISP in existanceDec 13 03:01
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XFaCEdesu: Did you just troll us Brandon? I don't think it was you.Dec 13 03:01
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msb___Goblin: I think spontaneous phone calls are nice, if there's a friendly reason for them.Dec 13 03:02
_Goblinnot with the bell....Dec 13 03:02
XFaCEI have totally no idea what this conversation is about nowDec 13 03:02
_Goblinprobably for the best..Dec 13 03:03
_Goblinif he reads this he'll make a conspiracy out of it.Dec 13 03:03
XFaCE_Goblin: Why do you call them "The Bell"?Dec 13 03:03
_Goblinwhats his handle?Dec 13 03:03
msb__Brandon said publicly, in COLA, that I pirate music and smoke pot.  Apparently he was trying to get me in trouble with the law.Dec 13 03:03
_Goblinthe same law he disagreed with......Dec 13 03:04
_GoblinI'm sure he came in here spouting off about law enforcement.Dec 13 03:04
_Goblinbut worse than that....Dec 13 03:04
XFaCE_Goblin: Ender2070Dec 13 03:04
_Goblinhe used the music from "Inception" in one of his videos where he was moaning about Roy.Dec 13 03:04
msb__EnderNNNN -- he changes the number frequentlyDec 13 03:05
XFaCE_Goblin: "Bell" is a Canadian ISP, and the worst one in existanceDec 13 03:05
_Goblinxface: right.... Now stick "bell" infront.... you see what I think of him.Dec 13 03:05
XFaCElolDec 13 03:05
XFaCE_Goblin: He has videos?Dec 13 03:05
_Goblinyay!Dec 13 03:05
XFaCE...Dec 13 03:05
_Goblinthat sounded a little wrongDec 13 03:05
XFaCEthe yay or what?Dec 13 03:06
_Goblinafter talking about the bellDec 13 03:06
_Goblinthen you asking for vids...Dec 13 03:06
_Goblinit did have videos.  Not sure anymore...Dec 13 03:06
XFaCEcubezzz3: resolved now?Dec 13 03:06
_Goblinanyway... enough talking about the Bell......I'll only live to regret it when I'm labelled a mason or having some involvement with neanderthals trying to take over the world.Dec 13 03:07
XFaCE_Goblin: He isn't so bad, when placed in controled conditionsDec 13 03:08
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XFaCEcubezzz, guess you haven'tDec 13 03:08
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cubezzz:-/Dec 13 03:08
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XFaCEcubezzz: Telling you man, Teksavvy, TeksavvyDec 13 03:09
_GoblinXFaCE: I'd rather not....Dec 13 03:09
msb__A few days ago Brandon said he was quitting COLA.  I guess he's still harassing this channel.Dec 13 03:09
msb__Nobody else from Ontario would go after me by name.Dec 13 03:10
_GoblinI don't think its the Bell..... he claims not to nymshift...if he comes out and says it was then yet again there will be people calling him a liar.Dec 13 03:10
XFaCE_Goblin: Just ignore him next time. Like diablo-d3 doesDec 13 03:10
msb__He's already been called a liar many times.Dec 13 03:10
_Goblinwon't need too....he won't be coming in here ever again....Dec 13 03:11
_Goblinand yes msb__ but according to him, he's not at fault, its everyone else.Dec 13 03:11
XFaCEmsb_: Oh yeah? You are a poopy-head! A stinky silly poopy-head!Dec 13 03:11
msb__You're not blocking Canada are you?Dec 13 03:11
_Goblinlike I say, I don't think that was the bell who came in.Dec 13 03:11
XFaCEmsb__: I'd hope not, though prurigro's ZNC is the US anywayDec 13 03:11
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msb__The ip address was in Welland, Ontario according to http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocationDec 13 03:12
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cubezzz:-PDec 13 03:13
_GoblinRight....think i'll retire for the night...Dec 13 03:14
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XFaCEsebsebseb: ?Dec 13 03:14
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XFaCEcubezzz: You aren't in welland, are you?Dec 13 03:14
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cubezzznoDec 13 03:14
msb__As to Welland, sometimes that ip locator site is a few cities off.Dec 13 03:15
XFaCEcubezzz: GoodDec 13 03:16
XFaCEcubezzz: And not just because it exonerates you ;)Dec 13 03:16
XFaCEmsb__: That's pretty specific thoDec 13 03:16
msb__Yes.Dec 13 03:16
XFaCEmsb__: Toronto or Ottawa or Montreal would be a typical locationDec 13 03:16
XFaCEWelland is much more specificDec 13 03:17
msb__It has me about 30 miles south of my actual location.Dec 13 03:17
cubezzzXFaCE, if you're curious it's really me do a /ctcp cubezzz versionDec 13 03:17
msb__It usually gives a city, but it may be a nearby city.Dec 13 03:17
cubezzzit will say either fc1 or openbsd 4.7Dec 13 03:17
XFaCEcubezzz: I can just use /version, but okDec 13 03:18
XFaCEyepDec 13 03:18
XFaCEbsd?...Dec 13 03:18
cubezzzjust on one boxDec 13 03:19
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XFaCEcubezzz: Oh yeah, I remember nowDec 13 03:20
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sebsebsebXFaCE: What did you want?Dec 13 03:21
XFaCEsebsebseb: I just posted that in mageia-social :PDec 13 03:21
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XFaCEhey jonoDec 13 03:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @mkarnicki: Surprisingly pleased with #Precise #Pangolin Alpha 1 !ubuntu ! Will be making the switch from #Natty in no time.Dec 13 03:22
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XFaCEamarsh04: Brendan_T, I think you guys are pretty trustworthyDec 13 03:24
XFaCEI'm just scouting out potential chanopsDec 13 03:24
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XFaCEcubezzz: Are you good now? :P :)Dec 13 03:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] aimed on cleaning up my home dir, ended up REALLY cleaning up my home dir, schoolwork was lostDec 13 03:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @tekk though I kinda lucked out in that I sent a big chunk of the school work in question(due friday) to a friend before the wipeDec 13 03:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] woo, turns out .* all survived \o/Dec 13 03:37
XFaCEcubezzz3: I guess notDec 13 03:44
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XFaCEhi DaemonFC Dec 13 03:58
XFaCEYou missed out on "Roy-lies"Dec 13 03:58
XFaCEcharming fellowDec 13 03:58
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DaemonFCLIES!!!Dec 13 03:59
DaemonFCDAMNED LIES!!!Dec 13 03:59
DaemonFCand ROY LIES DAMMIT!!!Dec 13 03:59
DaemonFCLIES I TELLS YA!!!Dec 13 03:59
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DaemonFC:)Dec 13 03:59
XFaCElolDec 13 03:59
abeNd-orglolDec 13 03:59
DaemonFCbut HE LIES!!!Dec 13 03:59
DaemonFCthe LYING LIARDec 13 03:59
DaemonFC;)Dec 13 03:59
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DaemonFCI just got back homeDec 13 04:00
DaemonFCI missed everything that happened todayDec 13 04:00
DaemonFCoh wellDec 13 04:00
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abeNd-org“Perhaps today *is* a good day to Lie! Prepare for ramming speed!”Dec 13 04:00
XFaCEThere's another starship coming in!Dec 13 04:01
abeNd-orgoh thank goodness someone gets that referenceDec 13 04:01
DaemonFCIt's.......Babylon 5!Dec 13 04:01
DaemonFC:PDec 13 04:01
abeNd-orgsomeone give me ops so i can kick DaemonFC just once :)Dec 13 04:01
*XFaCE smacks DaemonFC.Dec 13 04:01
XFaCEabeNd-org: Some dayDec 13 04:02
XFaCEThough since DaemonFC is a chanop right now, I wouldn't say that. ;)Dec 13 04:02
abeNd-orgmeh, i dont want to be a perm chanops, just for a second :DDec 13 04:03
*DaemonFC sets mode +q #techrights abeNd-org!*@*Dec 13 04:03
DaemonFC;)Dec 13 04:03
*DaemonFC sets mode -q #techrights abeNd-org!*@*Dec 13 04:03
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XFaCEDaemonFC: I'm tempted to kick Desu, just to see what would happenDec 13 04:06
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DaemonFChttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/12/a-music-executive-wounded-by-a-gunman-who-opened-fire-on-motorists-in-hollywood-has-died-of-his-gun-shot-wounds-los-angele.htmlDec 13 04:08
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Hollywood shootout: Music executive dies of injuries - latimes.com .::. Size~: 88.67 KBDec 13 04:08
DaemonFCtoo bad they didn't get some RIAA lawyers or somethingDec 13 04:08
XFaCEthey stole his intellectual propertyDec 13 04:10
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msb__Did SOPA get voted down in the House committee last week?Dec 13 04:11
XFaCEmsb__: Not yetDec 13 04:11
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msb__The rulers fervently want to kill Youtube.Dec 13 04:13
XFaCEmsb__: Gotta fight those who make The Next Generation recutsDec 13 04:14
XFaCEwith "sex" scenes and fart jokesDec 13 04:14
DaemonFCwhat's sick is that the RIAA has full songs on Youtube under their own vevo accountDec 13 04:15
DaemonFCbut if you have the same song playing in the background at your kid's birthday party and put it on Youtube, they sue youDec 13 04:15
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: interestingly enough the ex of the gunner reported that he was a humanitarian and was taking prescriptions for pain and depression. Dec 13 04:15
XFaCEDoubl-standardDec 13 04:15
XFaCE(daemonfc)Dec 13 04:16
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DaemonFCthey're just a bunch of money grubbers Dec 13 04:17
DaemonFCbottom feedersDec 13 04:17
ZiomatrixXFaCE: radio censorship is going a step further in the US with Colleges selling all their public radio stations to Clear Channel.Dec 13 04:17
DaemonFCscum suckersDec 13 04:17
XFaCEagreedDec 13 04:17
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XFaCEZiomatrix: *All* college?Dec 13 04:17
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DaemonFCthere's no way that a clip of your kid's birthday party caused them a million dollars in damagesDec 13 04:17
DaemonFCand they have the full song in higher quality on the same siteDec 13 04:18
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msb__Look how effective these are.  The psychopath rulers hate freedom of speech, especially multimedia.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SU9qUAkSgDec 13 04:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Libya Truth (DnB Soundtrack)       - YouTube .::. Size~: 156.84 KBDec 13 04:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Libya and Imperialism: Dan Glazebrook, Lizzie Phelan, Harpal Brar (EN, FR, PT)       - YouTube .::. Size~: 131.18 KBDec 13 04:18
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DaemonFCthey're just a bunch of rich lawyers who make a full time career out of shredding the US constitution and perverting our laws to make a few extra bucksDec 13 04:18
DaemonFCand they don't care what collateral damage they cause to society in doing itDec 13 04:19
DaemonFCand frankly, I would be glad if a few of them got shotDec 13 04:19
DaemonFCthe world certainly wouldn't be any worse off without themDec 13 04:19
ZiomatrixXFaCE: there are quite a few, they don't even give a chance for the radio station to raise funds themselvesDec 13 04:19
XFaCEThat's niceDec 13 04:20
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: next the MAFIAA will install spyware on peoples' computers that deletes any video with any music that you did not pay for to use.Dec 13 04:20
XFaCEZiomatrix: And then, chips in the brainDec 13 04:21
ZiomatrixXFaCE: here's a famous example: http://bit.ly/gbJ5OZ Dec 13 04:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Story Behind the KUSF Shut Down < PopMatters .::. Size~: 109.81 KBDec 13 04:22
Ziomatrixthey pull the plug while they were on the airDec 13 04:22
XFaCEreally? While they were live?Dec 13 04:22
DaemonFCthey've already done thatDec 13 04:24
DaemonFCSony BMG rootkitDec 13 04:24
ZiomatrixXFaCE: yup and Clear Channel has their sticky fingers in it: http://bit.ly/efiWzHDec 13 04:24
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DaemonFCwell, they took over the computer and ran their crap as part of the WIndows kernelDec 13 04:25
XFaCE!google clear channelDec 13 04:25
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Clear Channel Communications, Inc. | http://www.clearchannel.com/Dec 13 04:25
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Clear Channel Radio | http://www.clearchannel.com/radio/Dec 13 04:25
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Clear Channel Communications - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_Channel_CommunicationsDec 13 04:25
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Clear Channel Outdoor - Global Outdoor Advertising | http://www.clearchanneloutdoor.com/Dec 13 04:25
DaemonFCso they could have deleted any files they wanted toDec 13 04:25
XFaCEHmm... in Texas no lessDec 13 04:25
DaemonFCthe XCP rootkit phoned home to update itselfDec 13 04:25
ZiomatrixXFaCE: they are basically ABC, CBS and NBC as far as ruling the FM airwaves is concerned.Dec 13 04:25
XFaCEZiomatrix: All three?Dec 13 04:25
XFaCECombined?Dec 13 04:26
abeNd-orghuh? what? I heard my Texas mentionedDec 13 04:26
ZiomatrixXFaCE: as far as the percentage they own in US FM radio stations or have stakes in across the nation they would be an equivalent to if mirrored for television.Dec 13 04:26
XFaCEabeNd-org: Clear ChannelDec 13 04:26
XFaCEZiomatrix: ICDec 13 04:27
abeNd-orgoh those goofballsDec 13 04:27
ZiomatrixXFaCE: its why I can only stand to listen to a few radio stations anymore, all of them public or independent no less.Dec 13 04:28
XFaCEZiomatrix: Thank goodness for the CBC here, for now at leastDec 13 04:28
abeNd-orgi usually end up on NPR, and even they are a bit too weird for me, far left sometimes, far right sometimes, but still less nutso than other talk (be it left or right)Dec 13 04:29
XFaCEThat is, until the Bell/Roger monopoly team buys the Maple Leafs sport franchises and kill the majority of their TV audienceDec 13 04:29
XFaCE*CBC's audienceDec 13 04:29
XFaCEScrew Bell and screw RogersDec 13 04:30
XFaCEand screw the CRTCDec 13 04:30
Ziomatrixshould I lol? I wish I was more well versed in Canadian pop and sub-cultureDec 13 04:30
ZiomatrixXFaCE: so most civilized Canadians are in Ontario? Why am I not surprised? :P jk jkDec 13 04:30
XFaCEDon't be so sureDec 13 04:31
XFaCEEnder's from ontarioDec 13 04:31
XFaCEThen again, prurigro and I are, so I think we balance him out :PDec 13 04:32
XFaCElolDec 13 04:32
XFaCEZiomatrix: Bell is the worst telecom/ISP in the worldDec 13 04:33
Ziomatrixand for the inside scoop on whats going on with the open source saga of WebOS: http://bit.ly/srlLNkDec 13 04:33
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XFaCEand Rogers is the worst cable/one of the worst ISPs in the world, slightly less worse than bellDec 13 04:33
ZiomatrixXFaCE: I thought AT&T were the kings of ass-hattery. Ecspecially with their whole T-Mobile Merger stunt and now they are trying to nab the 700mhz spectrum from under them anywayDec 13 04:34
XFaCEand the CRTC is a useless regulatory body that votes in favour of those two companies on anything. Every time.Dec 13 04:34
XFaCE (for the most part)Dec 13 04:34
XFaCEso  WebOS becomes Free software againDec 13 04:35
ZiomatrixXFaCE: you mean like our entire Congress?Dec 13 04:35
XFaCEinteresting circle of eventsDec 13 04:35
XFaCEXFaCE: but worseDec 13 04:35
XFaCEZiomatrix: but worseDec 13 04:35
ZiomatrixXFaCE: how is it a circle, WebOS's underpinning are Linux but its APIs were made under PalmDec 13 04:35
XFaCEZiomatrix: Didn't PalmOS begin as Free software?Dec 13 04:36
ZiomatrixXFaCE: the framework used open xhtml, OpenGL and Java (until Enyo) Dec 13 04:37
XFaCEThat's all I meantDec 13 04:37
Ziomatrixoh yea jscript tooDec 13 04:37
XFaCEIt came full circleDec 13 04:37
XFaCEjscript or javascript?Dec 13 04:37
ZiomatrixXFaCE: javascript sorryDec 13 04:38
prurigroNot saying anything good or bad about Ender here, but Ottawa and Toronto are very different placesDec 13 04:39
ZiomatrixXFaCE: I was under the impression Palm OS (Garnet) was made closed under the auspices of US Robotics. Maybe it was based on free software I wouldn't know, but Roy probably would.Dec 13 04:39
XFaCEprurigro: good pointDec 13 04:40
XFaCEprurigro: We just tease ender. :PDec 13 04:41
Ziomatrixit seemed things started to go downhill for Palm after they spun off from 3Com and funny thing is its because the latter wanted a closer relationship with M$: http://zd.net/vV3eYADec 13 04:41
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abeNd-orgi dont think palmos was ever "opensource", but it is nice to see webos released as complete opensourceDec 13 04:45
Ziomatrixat least what HP is doing seems smarter then those who thought splitting Palm's hardware and software into two separate entities while keeping the software closed but open to licensing was a good idea.Dec 13 04:45
Ziomatrixthat did more to harm to Palm then the hundreds of different PocketPC and Winmo smartphones dumped on the market. The company shrank to a point where it was a mere shell of its former self and couldn't despite a billion dollar infusion get their WebOS offering (that was only started on after the whole ACCESS Cobalt OS fiasco) out on time to compete with Apple.Dec 13 04:48
abeNd-orgamusing that the "family" all ended back together, 3com/palm both being bought by hpDec 13 04:48
ZiomatrixabeNd-org: unfortunately it ended up pretty dysfunctional. Even though people seem to laud HP's NAS equipment and praise the tablet version of WebOS despite discrediting the hardware.Dec 13 04:53
DaemonFChttps://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/13/science/earth/canada-leaving-kyoto-protocol-on-climate-change.htmlDec 13 04:59
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DaemonFCMr. Kent said Canada could meet its commitment only through extreme measures, like pulling all motor vehicles from its roads and shutting heat off to every building in the country. He said the Liberal Party had agreed to the treaty “without any regard as to how it would be fulfilled.” Dec 13 04:59
DaemonFChehDec 13 04:59
Ziomatrixwow I have never seen such a cheesy promo for such a nice product: http://youtu.be/2i41fA9WfsA I guess it will stick with you somehow :PDec 13 05:00
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ZiomatrixDaemonFC: subsidized Igloos for everyoneDec 13 05:02
Ziomatrixat least for the winter, maybe if build out of pycrete it would be betterDec 13 05:02
DaemonFChttp://www.thesuffolkvoice.net/news/earth-like-planet-found-1.2733138#.TubcDlKW-VMDec 13 05:03
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XFaCEDaemonFC: Just the kind of shit I expect from the Harper DictatorshipDec 13 05:04
DaemonFCinvestigating Kepler-22b by means of SETI would only indicate if there was intelligent life there 600 years ago (and only if they were using radio at that time)Dec 13 05:04
DaemonFCand if we discovered that was the case, it would take a message from Earth 600 years to get thereDec 13 05:05
DaemonFCand their reply, if they even noticed our message would take another 600 years to reach usDec 13 05:05
XFaCEDaemonFC:What do you think of the kyoto announcement?Dec 13 05:05
DaemonFCI think Canada finally came to their sensesDec 13 05:06
DaemonFCrealized it wasn't a fair dealDec 13 05:06
DaemonFCand that it subjects the worst polluters to almost no requirementsDec 13 05:06
XFaCEDaemonFC: That's just a cop-outDec 13 05:06
DaemonFCChina managed to dodge their fair share under the false claim that they are a third world countryDec 13 05:06
XFaCEThis government has no environmental initiative at allDec 13 05:06
XFaCEThey don't care about climate changeDec 13 05:06
DaemonFCanyone who signed onto Kyoto in the face of that is a bunch of foolsDec 13 05:07
XFaCEforget kyoto, they wouldn't even try for 10*-3% reduction in anythingDec 13 05:07
DaemonFCthat might beDec 13 05:07
XFaCEDaemonFC: We didn't even tryDec 13 05:07
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: it still beats not knowing at allDec 13 05:07
DaemonFCbut they know China will never sign an agreement that cripples their ability to commit dumping on usDec 13 05:07
XFaCEespecially under the harper gov'tDec 13 05:07
XFaCEDaemonFC: For sureDec 13 05:07
DaemonFCso the issue they cite won't be resolved anywayDec 13 05:07
XFaCEAt the same time, this doesn't relieve the Harper gang of responsibilityDec 13 05:08
DaemonFCit gives them a safe excuse to exit the treatyDec 13 05:08
DaemonFCwhich won't go awayDec 13 05:08
XFaCEDaemonFC: Yep, an excuse to do even more nothing.Dec 13 05:08
DaemonFCif China agreed to the same provisions Canada did, they would be unable to competeDec 13 05:08
DaemonFCat least in manufacturing of almost any finished goodsDec 13 05:09
DaemonFCwith the United States as well, for that matterDec 13 05:09
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: the treaty is not about competing, its about scaling down, it won't work unless everyone signs it.Dec 13 05:09
DaemonFCChina having no environmental laws is over 80% of the cost savings of making things thereDec 13 05:09
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: and who knows the consequences of that on our consumer crazed markets.Dec 13 05:10
DaemonFCso there's be little reason to use China for manufacturing if they had to play by the same clean air rules everyone else kills their own countries jobs withDec 13 05:10
DaemonFC*there'dDec 13 05:10
DaemonFCis China an excuse? sureDec 13 05:10
XFaCEFrankly, I don't care and can't control ChinaDec 13 05:10
DaemonFCis it a good one? yeahDec 13 05:10
XFaCEOk, bad wordingDec 13 05:10
XFaCEI do care, but I think trying to improve our own country should be a freaking priority at leastDec 13 05:11
DaemonFCwhy do countries cripple their own labor market and give China a big artificial advantage?Dec 13 05:11
DaemonFCenvironmental laws only work when they're the same everywhereDec 13 05:11
DaemonFCand nobody can cheat the system by moving to a country without themDec 13 05:11
DaemonFCso as long as China has none, they're ineffective everywhereDec 13 05:12
XFaCEDaemonFC: *Companies* give China a big artificial advantage. FTFYDec 13 05:12
DaemonFCI'm not against environmental protection, but I'm also not a supporter of piecemeal legislation that only caps pollution on countries that don't cause most of it to begin withDec 13 05:12
DaemonFCIf your neighbor isn't mowing their lawn and is chucking car parts out into itDec 13 05:14
DaemonFCshould the police fine you and let him go?Dec 13 05:14
DaemonFCthat's roughly what you get with KyotoDec 13 05:14
XFaCEI for one say that countries should try to improve themselves regardless of other countries' actionsDec 13 05:14
DaemonFCso I strongly oppose KyotoDec 13 05:14
XFaCEJust because our economy and our health care is beeter than the US (right now) doesn't mean we shouldn't take steps to make it even better.Dec 13 05:14
DaemonFCit doesn't work like thatDec 13 05:14
XFaCEIt's a stupid practiceDec 13 05:15
DaemonFCyou know what would work better?Dec 13 05:15
DaemonFCThe United States tells the Kytoto people to fuck themselvesDec 13 05:15
DaemonFCand charges a carbon tax on all imports from countries that don't meet our existing EPA standardsDec 13 05:15
XFaCECountries that focused on self-betterment would work betterDec 13 05:15
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: see our plan is simple China will create an Ozone whole over itself and fry. It was the plan all along because you know where Kyoto is located. ;) ;)Dec 13 05:15
DaemonFC:)Dec 13 05:15
DaemonFCthat levels the playing fieldDec 13 05:15
DaemonFCit removes the incentive to go to China to avoid paying US taxes and following our laws, while selling the finished goods hereDec 13 05:16
Ziomatrixok I wouldn't call it our plan, but someone must have.Dec 13 05:16
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: what is stopping them now? Not much imhoDec 13 05:16
DaemonFCif there's going to be a carbon action plan, put it in the form of tariffs on imports from countries like ChinaDec 13 05:16
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: I think the environmental costs of shipping products across from China and throughout the US should be taken into accountDec 13 05:17
DaemonFCrightDec 13 05:17
DaemonFCthose tankers and trucks burn a lot of dieselDec 13 05:17
DaemonFCso you're making the emissions worse not only by making it in countries that don't have any environmental lawsDec 13 05:18
DaemonFCbut by burning fuel to get raw materials thereDec 13 05:18
DaemonFCand finished goods backDec 13 05:18
DaemonFCI don't think we should impose rules on ourselves that nobody else bothers to hold themselves toDec 13 05:19
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: well not too many worries about raw materials, China has a virtual monopoly in raw earth metals. California is preventing the mining of heavy metals here to reach its max potential.Dec 13 05:19
DaemonFCif it's going to be a free for all, then why tie your own hands?Dec 13 05:19
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: I meant rare earth metalsDec 13 05:19
DaemonFCI think it's ridiculous that Canada even signed onto KyotoDec 13 05:20
DaemonFCthat $14 billion in penalties that you would have paid next year ALONE would have come from Canadian taxpayersDec 13 05:20
DaemonFCand WHO is it being paid to?Dec 13 05:20
DaemonFCthe UN or something?Dec 13 05:20
DaemonFCfuck themDec 13 05:20
DaemonFCyou're letting these international thugs pussy whip youDec 13 05:21
DaemonFC:)Dec 13 05:21
DaemonFCand then complaining that the US won't do the same thingDec 13 05:21
DaemonFCOK, whateverDec 13 05:21
XFaCEDaemonFC: Nah, our own government does that to us already quite wellDec 13 05:21
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: the cost of living in upper Manhattan doesn't pay for itself ;)Dec 13 05:21
DaemonFCif you're too damned stupid to even see that, I don't value your input :)Dec 13 05:21
DaemonFCthe solution is simpleDec 13 05:22
DaemonFCtariffs on Chinese importsDec 13 05:22
DaemonFCto match what the cost of compliance with Canadian environmental laws would have been were the goods made in CanadaDec 13 05:22
DaemonFCthat'll put an end to China making an end run around your own stupidityDec 13 05:23
DaemonFCbut that makes too much sense, so you'll never do thatDec 13 05:23
DaemonFCthey're laughing at you when you sign things like that that don't bind them up at allDec 13 05:24
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XFaCEYeah, can you stop refering to me please? Kinda annoyingDec 13 05:24
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DaemonFC"You mean the more car parts I throw in my lawn, the more fines my neighbors have to pay? Woohoo!!!!"Dec 13 05:24
*DaemonFC throws more car parts out in the lawnDec 13 05:24
DaemonFC:)Dec 13 05:24
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DaemonFCthis is what the liberals don't understandDec 13 05:25
DaemonFCnational environmental laws are pointlessDec 13 05:25
DaemonFCthey don't force your neighbors to behaveDec 13 05:25
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DaemonFCthey make you less competitiveDec 13 05:25
DaemonFCthe fewer jobs you want, the more environmental protection laws you passDec 13 05:26
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: I guess we can kiss cheap gadgets people want but don't need goodbye then.Dec 13 05:26
DaemonFCthe fewer laws you pass, the more jobs you get while everyone is drinking poisoned waterDec 13 05:26
DaemonFCit's a bad choiceDec 13 05:26
DaemonFCthe better choice is to build it in that cheap imports get the pollution tax assessedDec 13 05:27
DaemonFCas if they were made hereDec 13 05:27
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: and products will become expensive enough that people will choose to maintain them instead of throwing them out for new ones thus electronic repair shops will re-open once more to price gouge consumers.Dec 13 05:27
DaemonFCthen you can have jobs while not drinking poisoned waterDec 13 05:27
DaemonFC\:)Dec 13 05:27
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: no more cheap replacement warranties from big box stores, oh no!! :-oDec 13 05:27
DaemonFCI've never liked the whole notion that things like TVs are disposable anywayDec 13 05:28
DaemonFCI had a TV for over 20 years that I was perfectly happy withDec 13 05:28
DaemonFCnow they break every 2-3 years and you throw it in a landfillDec 13 05:28
DaemonFCand buy another Chinese-made TV set from WalmartDec 13 05:28
DaemonFCthey're so flimsy that they're not even considered furniture anymoreDec 13 05:29
DaemonFCthey used to beDec 13 05:29
DaemonFCremember those TVs that were built into an entertainment center?Dec 13 05:29
DaemonFCthe ones that screamed "I'm built to last!"Dec 13 05:29
DaemonFCthose are goneDec 13 05:29
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: but then most of us wouldn't be owning the latest great high definition flat screen TV and paying through our noses for the best "interactive" services money can buy.Dec 13 05:29
DaemonFCthey actually extract more money from you in 20 years after buying 10 TV setsDec 13 05:30
DaemonFCthan having one repaired once or twiceDec 13 05:30
XFaCESony TrinitronDec 13 05:30
DaemonFCthe durable ones like I had were made right here in IndianaDec 13 05:30
DaemonFCby my neighborsDec 13 05:30
DaemonFCnow you get the ones made by fuskitsushieater inc.Dec 13 05:30
DaemonFCand it dies after a couple yearsDec 13 05:30
DaemonFCif thatDec 13 05:30
DaemonFCand another one costs $700Dec 13 05:30
DaemonFCit's totally irresponsibleDec 13 05:31
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: I remember an old NEC big screen my grandparents won in a raffle and my parents had for over 3 decades. It was built into a nice wooden shelf.Dec 13 05:31
DaemonFCit's bad policyDec 13 05:31
DaemonFCit's meant to enrich the bad guysDec 13 05:31
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: it was made in Japan of course so it wouldn't compare to the old RCAs and Zeniths. Dec 13 05:31
DaemonFCthe stuff made in Japan was actually pretty reliableDec 13 05:32
DaemonFCyou didn't have a 40%+ failure rate on game consoles made in JapanDec 13 05:32
DaemonFCnow even the "Japanese" ones like Playstation are made in ChinaDec 13 05:32
DaemonFCso obviously you do get the "every other console is a dud" problemDec 13 05:32
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: I got a fairly old Fujitsu Lifebook sub-compact notebook. With Mint Linux installed it gives netbooks a run for their money. 10.1' monitor but they were still able to fit an eithernet, 56k, 3 USBs, firewire, key lock and optical drive.Dec 13 05:33
DaemonFCif stuff made in Japan had a 40% failure rate, the people responsible would have been fired and so ashamed that they'd go home and carve out their intestines with a sword or somethingDec 13 05:33
DaemonFCthey take pride in their workDec 13 05:33
DaemonFCnobody does that nowDec 13 05:33
DaemonFC:)Dec 13 05:33
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: well they have the word Karoshi, which means work-related death.Dec 13 05:34
Ziomatrixit means "death from overwork" unfortunately that can apply to the pour soles at Foxconn building iPads nowDec 13 05:35
DaemonFCwhen stuff said Made in Japan, it was actually good stuff. It wasn't made here, but it was still good stuff that had a very slim failure rate.Dec 13 05:35
DaemonFCChinese made stuff is just horribleDec 13 05:35
DaemonFCthe price didn't go down thoughDec 13 05:35
DaemonFCit's just that you're expected to replace it once every couple years when it blows upDec 13 05:35
DaemonFCprovided it even worked out of the boxDec 13 05:36
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: I also read on a forum how because so much is being built in China right now, it actually stifles innovation in the means of production as literally everything has to be designed to be built by hand. While when many electronics were being built in Japan and the US there was a move to automation that would create more solid products.Dec 13 05:36
DaemonFCThe only thing that gives Chinese TVs a run for their money was perhaps Soviet TVs that had a reputation where most of them exploded at some pointDec 13 05:37
DaemonFCthe Chinese put lead paint in everythingDec 13 05:37
DaemonFCit's even a food additive over thereDec 13 05:37
DaemonFCit literally is, because so much of it is in the soil that it gets into the vegetables that grow there in a lot of placesDec 13 05:38
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: the joke on Soviet TVs was that if the minister of TV production or whatever told a factory to build 10,000 cabinets with TVs they would assemble the first few hundred TVs and then ship the rest out as empty cabinets. It didn't matter because you got compensated regardless.Dec 13 05:38
DaemonFCKid plays with a stick.....parents rush out and get the stick away from him because it has lead in it.Dec 13 05:39
DaemonFCChina.....Dec 13 05:39
DaemonFC:PDec 13 05:39
DaemonFCI have to hand it to themDec 13 05:39
DaemonFCmost animals won't shit where they sleepDec 13 05:39
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: I thought the parents would beat him with it as a way to convince him not toDec 13 05:39
DaemonFCthey don't seem to have any problem with fucking up their own landDec 13 05:40
DaemonFCChina is a bubbleDec 13 05:41
DaemonFCone great big bubbleDec 13 05:41
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: remember this incident? http://huff.to/nhf5H0Dec 13 05:41
DaemonFCand when it does pop, it'll be biblicalDec 13 05:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: China: Toddler Run Over Twice, Over A Dozen Passersby Ignore Her (GRAPHIC VIDEO) .::. Size~: 324.95 KBDec 13 05:41
DaemonFCthey're churning out a lot of pollution, including fouling their own landDec 13 05:42
DaemonFCbut that's just one part of itDec 13 05:42
DaemonFCthe other big part is state-mandated GDP increase, leading to them building all those ghost townsDec 13 05:42
DaemonFCyou can see them from spaceDec 13 05:42
DaemonFCstate-mandated GDP increases are really a bad idea, it encourages needless overdevelopment which always brings a recessionDec 13 05:43
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: that will leave archeologists scratching their heads eons later. Unfortunately we have turned once vibrant cities into ghost towns, such as Detroit.Dec 13 05:43
DaemonFCno, there's still people living in DetroitDec 13 05:44
DaemonFCthere's a bunch of empty Chinese cities built for millions that have only thousands living thereDec 13 05:44
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: only in the center and suburban parts en massDec 13 05:44
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: there are few like that in Spain, but that is because of the real estate crash Dec 13 05:44
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: a complex of resort condos, not occupiedDec 13 05:45
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: I know that doesn't compare to an entire mid-town thoughDec 13 05:45
DaemonFCI'd say that China is in deep shitDec 13 05:45
DaemonFCand it will only take a couple more years before they can't stop it from floating to the surfaceDec 13 05:45
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: but then what does that leave US? :PDec 13 05:46
DaemonFCprobably laughing at themDec 13 05:47
ZiomatrixXFaCE: where did you go? I remember someone who had a Sony Trinitron, many CRTs can still display more colors then the LCDs today.Dec 13 05:47
DaemonFCas we set up some other country to failDec 13 05:47
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: but you think the US can just switch back to manufacturing in a twinkle of an eye? You think all the regulatory hurdles that places have to go through can just make factories pop up where they have been vacant for so long?Dec 13 05:48
DaemonFCsure, I think we canDec 13 05:48
DaemonFCin fact, I don't doubt it for a minuteDec 13 05:49
DaemonFCwe're not past the point where we couldn't be self-sustaining if we HAD to beDec 13 05:49
DaemonFCbut we better hope something painful happens that shocks us into going back to work soonDec 13 05:50
DaemonFCbuying cheap TVs from Walmart won't happen when the guy that made the TV is out of work and can't buy anything from youDec 13 05:50
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: where I live you pass by some really gutted structures or a facility where they renovated the office building while most of the parking lot is empty. In fact about a decade ago Pfizer built a huge complex of offices, labs and a multi-level parking garage by me. Til this very day you see no cars in the lots, and all the rooms are empty with no ceiling fixtures. Dec 13 05:50
DaemonFCnot just TVs, by TV, I mean everythingDec 13 05:50
DaemonFCit's not sustainableDec 13 05:50
DaemonFCexcept through debtDec 13 05:51
DaemonFCand debt isn't sustainable eitherDec 13 05:51
DaemonFCdebt brings a crashDec 13 05:51
DaemonFCand high unemploymentDec 13 05:51
DaemonFCwhich is the phase the US is heading into nowDec 13 05:51
DaemonFCmaybe it just needs to play outDec 13 05:51
DaemonFCmaybe enough people should be out of work and out on their ass that they decide to change thingsDec 13 05:51
DaemonFCmaybe it's the only way they will change thingsDec 13 05:52
DaemonFCnobody thinks about this stuff when they're doing OKDec 13 05:52
DaemonFCor when it looks like there's no end to their prosperityDec 13 05:52
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: but with the Fed constantly pumping up interest rates to prevent our currency from being re-valued drastically how is that going to happen? Everyone will live in a subsidized fantasy in one form or another.Dec 13 05:53
DaemonFCit can only go on for so longDec 13 05:53
XFaCEZiomatrix: sorryDec 13 05:53
DaemonFCin 5 years time, half the country will be out of workDec 13 05:53
XFaCEwas in another channel?Dec 13 05:53
DaemonFCor in such poor employment that they can't thriveDec 13 05:54
DaemonFCand that's when things are most likely to changeDec 13 05:54
ZiomatrixXFaCE: don't apologize, I felt our convo just completely eclipsed your's.Dec 13 05:54
XFaCEagDec 13 05:54
XFaCEahDec 13 05:54
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: for socialism?Dec 13 05:54
XFaCEDaemonFC: American car production sucksDec 13 05:54
DaemonFCnahDec 13 05:54
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: it can happen Dec 13 05:54
scientesto big to not failDec 13 05:55
DaemonFCwhen people can no longer find work and are no longer having the government wipe their ass for themDec 13 05:55
DaemonFCthings will changeDec 13 05:55
DaemonFC;)Dec 13 05:55
scientesDaemonFC, its actually run by peak oilDec 13 05:55
ZiomatrixXFaCE: what cars do we produce again, don't you folks in Alberta do most of that? :PDec 13 05:55
scientesthat the overarchiving themeDec 13 05:55
scientesdebt-based economy is unsustainableDec 13 05:55
scientesbased on exponential growthDec 13 05:55
XFaCEZiomatrix: Alberta? Hell no. All OntarioDec 13 05:55
ZiomatrixXFaCE: my bad. ;) well?Dec 13 05:55
XFaCEIn CanadaDec 13 05:55
DaemonFCwhen the unemployment income funding dries up, there will be riotsDec 13 05:56
XFaCEZiomatrix: The Us still produces many carsDec 13 05:56
DaemonFCthat could happen next monthDec 13 05:56
DaemonFCunless it gets renewed, about 2 million people will have no income starting January 1Dec 13 05:56
DaemonFCovernightDec 13 05:56
ZiomatrixXFaCE: I'm just saying if you claim "American" car quality sucks then what does that mean. We produce many trucks, but our car production has moved north and south of the border.Dec 13 05:56
XFaCEZiomatrix: I was more trying to rile up DaemonFC Dec 13 05:57
DaemonFCin addition to the ones that have nothing nowDec 13 05:57
XFaCEand I said [00:53] <XFaCE> DaemonFC: American car *production* sucksDec 13 05:57
DaemonFCit'll make what we have now look like a walk in the parkDec 13 05:57
ZiomatrixXFaCE: ironically its "foreign" auto companies that have more of their automobiles produced in the US.Dec 13 05:57
DaemonFCpeople tend to muddle through whatever is happening to them as long as they have four walls, a bed, plenty of food, and a TVDec 13 05:58
DaemonFCand right now it's unemployment income that's keeping 2 million people sedated like thatDec 13 05:58
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: quick we need more Dancing with the Stars and Fear Factor stat! Dec 13 05:58
Ziomatrix:-DDec 13 05:59
DaemonFCI think the US government will find a way to keep unemployment extended until they have no money to take from anything elseDec 13 05:59
DaemonFCbecause they fear unleashing the wrath of that 2 million peopleDec 13 05:59
DaemonFCat least until they have NORTHCOM up and runningDec 13 05:59
DaemonFCdeclare martial lawDec 13 05:59
DaemonFCdisarm the publicDec 13 05:59
DaemonFCand send us all to FEMA death campsDec 13 06:00
DaemonFC:DDec 13 06:00
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: what do you mean, its all taken from the banks who fractionally reserve it from the Fed who produces it en mass. There is no such thing as "no more money" unless all the paper and ink in the world dries up.Dec 13 06:00
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ZiomatrixDaemonFC: it will just inflate until it becomes basically of no value what so ever.Dec 13 06:00
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DaemonFCmartial law and FEMA death camps are so much cooler than that thoughDec 13 06:01
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: too bad that bill to authorize the military to make civilian arrests didn't passDec 13 06:01
DaemonFCthat's not to say they can't anywayDec 13 06:01
DaemonFCyou have the president ordering hits on Americans alreadyDec 13 06:01
DaemonFCit's just that to the best of our knowledge, they were all in foreign countries at the timeDec 13 06:02
Ziomatrixdoing foreign deedsDec 13 06:02
DaemonFCthe courts won't touch the constitutionality of the US government murdering Americans abroad Dec 13 06:02
DaemonFCso they like doing it that wayDec 13 06:03
DaemonFCmakes you too afraid to try to flee the country to get away from themDec 13 06:03
DaemonFCif you stay here, you get a show trialDec 13 06:03
DaemonFCand if you run, you get a bulletDec 13 06:03
MinceRsoon you won't even get a show trialDec 13 06:04
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: well Roman Polanski proved that legal extradition can be such a PITADec 13 06:04
MinceRthere's that new bill enabling the government to lock up anyone suspected of turrism indefinitely, without a trialDec 13 06:04
DaemonFCthey didn't want Roman Polanski that badDec 13 06:06
DaemonFCor he'd have been extradited or killed at some pointDec 13 06:06
MinceRthey don't care about that guyDec 13 06:06
DaemonFCyou know, fall down the stairsDec 13 06:06
MinceRthey want AssangeDec 13 06:06
DaemonFCslip in the showerDec 13 06:06
DaemonFCland on some bulletsDec 13 06:07
DaemonFC;)Dec 13 06:07
*XFaCE removes channel operator status from tessierDec 13 06:07
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DaemonFCwhen they want you dead, you're deadDec 13 06:08
DaemonFCthey're the CIADec 13 06:08
DaemonFCit's what they doDec 13 06:08
DaemonFCI really think Osama Bin Laden was being allowed to live while he was useful as "He's still out there" propagandaDec 13 06:08
DaemonFCthen they killed himDec 13 06:08
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: what intelligence agency wouldn't want to observe him for long enough to compile a comprehensive list of his connections.Dec 13 06:09
DaemonFC"Hmmm, 6' 4" arab that goes for kidney dialysis twice a week"Dec 13 06:09
DaemonFC"Where could he be?"Dec 13 06:09
DaemonFCby the time they shot him, he probably had a few weeks to live anywayDec 13 06:10
DaemonFCHow embarrassing would that have been?Dec 13 06:10
DaemonFC"Bin Laden evades capture, dies of old age"Dec 13 06:10
MinceR"don't cross us or you'll die of old age too!"Dec 13 06:10
ZiomatrixMinceR: if you're really unlucky an insurance company will put you on disability and pay you to stay in bedDec 13 06:12
MinceR:>Dec 13 06:12
DaemonFCand then find out you're playing golf and re-roofing your houseDec 13 06:14
ZiomatrixMinceR: well, its more of an opt in thing but most work the same way. It is interesting to note that despite the American's Disability Act Insurance companies can still discourage people to not even volunteer while on disabilityDec 13 06:14
DaemonFC:DDec 13 06:14
DaemonFCI support the Americans With No Abilities actDec 13 06:14
DaemonFCalso known as unemployment extension, year 3Dec 13 06:15
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: lol yea, and health companies would claim they love to support you unless you have a "pre-existing condition" which oddly enough they didn't know existed until you apply for their help after months of paying for them.Dec 13 06:15
DaemonFCunder AWNA, you wake up at noon, masturbate, lay in front of the TV all day, and make 85% of your wages from your last jobDec 13 06:16
DaemonFCwhat a lifeDec 13 06:16
DaemonFC;)Dec 13 06:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Which doesn't stop Libre Office users from converting via Calibre as they always have, @identicatsDec 13 06:17
DaemonFCZiomatrix: Pre-existing condition can mean whatever they say it doesDec 13 06:17
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: well you know those TV shows can't claim to make anything if they don't get enough eyeballs towards their advertisements.Dec 13 06:17
DaemonFCunless you can manage to sue them from your hospital bedDec 13 06:18
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: basically the priority of insurance companies like many other "public" ones lay in the obligation of the top shareholders. But even then you have stuff that defies logic like what Leo did with HP that actually plunged shares to half of their former value.Dec 13 06:19
ZiomatrixI meant obligation toDec 13 06:21
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: But I suppose you can't fault the system for that as much as the priorities of those that use it.Dec 13 06:21
XFaCEgn MinceR, DaemonFC, Ziomatrix, msb__, DaemonFC et alDec 13 06:22
MinceRo/Dec 13 06:22
Ziomatrixgoodnight Dec 13 06:22
ZiomatrixI forgot to ask how the weather is up there.Dec 13 06:23
DaemonFChttp://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/10/19/Adult-baby-cleared-of-disability-fraud/UPI-60971319055901/Dec 13 06:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 'Adult baby' cleared of disability fraud - UPI.com .::. Size~: 54.86 KBDec 13 06:23
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: G0d bless Uhmerica Dec 13 06:25
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: yet those same folks would penalize someone in a wheel chair who would have the gaul to volunteer to do humanitarian work on the grounds that it is just that, work.Dec 13 06:26
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: they probably would yank payments if they caught them for ringing a bell for the Salvation Army even.Dec 13 06:27
DaemonFChttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/18/man-living-as-an-adult-baby-is-cleared-of-social-s/Dec 13 06:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Man living as an 'adult baby' is cleared of Social Security fraud - Washington Times .::. Size~: 90.04 KBDec 13 06:29
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: I wouldn't knock on the notion of social security, disability and insurance, it served a purpose. But some just skew it to one beneficial extreme or a detrimental other.Dec 13 06:29
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: I still think that whole article is a loaded argument of straw men, which is of no surprise since it comes from Russia Today the 21st century Radio Moscow. Dec 13 06:30
DaemonFC"John Hart, a spokesman for Mr. Coburn, said Tuesday that the senator, who is also a medical doctor, is still puzzled by how “a grown man who is able to design and build adult-sized baby furniture is eligible for disability benefits.”"Dec 13 06:32
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1028728 "its why i make so many typo's #ImNotKidding"Dec 13 06:34
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ZiomatrixDaemonFC: its true I can't get how someone who seems to have no physical ailment nor mental one that effects motorskills and cognitive ability can be eligible for disability. If someone like that went and killed someone they would be hard pressed to prove they're truly insane as to not tell right from wrong. I still wouldn't use that example as a reason to dump the entire social security system.Dec 13 06:34
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: obviously he is starting to act like a toddler though stating he wants nothing unless he wants it all right now.Dec 13 06:35
DaemonFCclearly I've been going about life all wrongDec 13 06:35
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DaemonFCquick, get me a diaper and an adult size crib so I can get the government to give me crazy checksDec 13 06:35
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ZiomatrixDaemonFC: lol I guess they want to expand into the realm of subsidizing insanity.Dec 13 06:36
DaemonFCwhy does he get Social Security checks over a sex fetish that he played out with his wife?Dec 13 06:36
DaemonFCif that's the case, I've earned some of those for things I've done with ex boyfriendsDec 13 06:37
DaemonFC:DDec 13 06:37
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DaemonFC“Take away the last thing keeping me here, and see what happens. Next time you see me on the news, it will be me in a body bag,” he said.Dec 13 06:38
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: lol, shoot maybe thats why we can't widely legalize prostitution.Dec 13 06:38
DaemonFCHis dying wish was to be buried in his Mens 14 baby booties and 44" waist size diaperDec 13 06:38
DaemonFC:)Dec 13 06:38
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: well you can't fault him for taking such certainty in planning his funeral and being at peace with that.Dec 13 06:39
DaemonFC"Mr. Coburn also had asked investigators look into why Dias was receiving disability payments “since she is able to provide child care” to Mr. Thornton."Dec 13 06:39
DaemonFCROFLDec 13 06:39
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: maybe she has an actual ailment from the agita her hubby gives her :PDec 13 06:40
DaemonFCyou have to be crazy to do that shitDec 13 06:40
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: dude, have you seen the videos of love hotels in Japan?Dec 13 06:40
DaemonFCyou have to be stupid to go on TV and get yourself the ire of a US senator with the FBI on speed dialDec 13 06:40
DaemonFCmaybe he does deserve themDec 13 06:41
ZiomatrixI'm using dude as an interjection btw Dec 13 06:41
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: well he is inadvertently expanding the role of Social Security and Disability.Dec 13 06:41
DaemonFC"Here, let me shove my disability fraud in the face of millions of hard working Americans and wonder why I'm being investigated!"Dec 13 06:42
DaemonFCthe guy must truly be stupidDec 13 06:42
DaemonFCin fact, the only thing dumber is Social Security writing him a letter stating his disability continuesDec 13 06:42
DaemonFC“The only babyish items bought with SSI monies [were] wipes, powder and rash cream and that was because medical insurance only pays for the diapers for the incontinence,” he said.Dec 13 06:43
DaemonFCheheDec 13 06:43
DaemonFCI'm paying for someone to wipe his assDec 13 06:43
DaemonFCbecause he wants to be treated as a manbabyDec 13 06:44
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ZiomatrixNational security scare over a simple photo editing phone application: http://aol.it/sSSkWmDec 13 06:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Apple pulls "Make your own driver's license" app after PA senator complains .::. Size~: 120.56 KBDec 13 06:46
DaemonFCseems Social Security stopped mailing checks in MayDec 13 06:47
DaemonFCnow you have to have some kind of debit card from themDec 13 06:47
DaemonFCor direct deposit into a bank accountDec 13 06:47
DaemonFCmakes senseDec 13 06:47
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: similar to the phase out of food stampsDec 13 06:48
DaemonFCmy aunt is schizophrenic and lives in section 8 housing for the mentally illDec 13 06:48
DaemonFCpeople steal things all the timeDec 13 06:48
DaemonFCa check in the mail probably wouldn't be a stretchDec 13 06:48
DaemonFCof course a lot of the people that live in that complex only have mental problems due to drug abuseDec 13 06:48
schestowitzDaemonFC: is she reslly (your sunt)?Dec 13 06:49
schestowitzSome people fake it for a lifestyleDec 13 06:49
DaemonFCtechnically, the rules of section 8 housing say if they catch you with illegal drugs, you can never get back on it againDec 13 06:49
DaemonFCmakes me think they choose not to look too hardDec 13 06:50
schestowitzLike people who fake learning disabilitiesDec 13 06:50
Ziomatrixschestowitz: kind of reminded me of the guy in the UK who had everything Star Trek, but his was actually kind of cool.Dec 13 06:50
schestowitzI say, let marks reflect on thatDec 13 06:50
Ziomatrixschestowitz: I don't think he went around claiming that his fanmania was a form of insanity thoughDec 13 06:50
schestowitzThey won't get 25% extra time when they get employed, will they?Dec 13 06:50
DaemonFCSocial Security's rules on illegal drugs make me think someone at Social Security was on drugs when they wrote themDec 13 06:50
schestowitzZiomatrix: DaemonFC has FarmaniaDec 13 06:51
Ziomatrixschestowitz: well most projects aren't encapsulated as an hour long written sheet.Dec 13 06:51
DaemonFCyou can't get Social Security if your mental illness is caused by the drugsDec 13 06:51
DaemonFCbut if your mental illness causes you to use drugs, you can get Social SecurityDec 13 06:51
schestowitznothing *causes* you to use drugsDec 13 06:52
DaemonFCthey say otherwiseDec 13 06:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Family Guy writer: "My Occupy LA Arrest", by Patrick Meighan (UPDATE: 12/9/11)http://myoccupylaarrest.blogspot.com/Dec 13 06:52
DaemonFCyeah, I have that disorder, you knowDec 13 06:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: My Occupy LA Arrest, by Patrick Meighan .::. Size~: 64.15 KBDec 13 06:52
DaemonFClike...Dec 13 06:52
DaemonFCthe one that makes me smoke so much reeferDec 13 06:52
DaemonFCwhere's my check dude?Dec 13 06:52
DaemonFC:)Dec 13 06:52
DaemonFCoh, it's acting up againDec 13 06:53
DaemonFCmind if I fire up a hooter?Dec 13 06:53
DaemonFC:DDec 13 06:53
DaemonFCwhat were we talking about?Dec 13 06:54
DaemonFC$1,000?Dec 13 06:54
DaemonFCthat could buy, like, a lot of Doritos, manDec 13 06:54
DaemonFCwith $1,000 I could buy all the Doritos at Walmart!Dec 13 06:54
DaemonFCContinuing DIsability Review? You're like, killing my buzz!Dec 13 06:55
DaemonFCI might have a relapse and shitDec 13 06:56
DaemonFCI'm thirsty, are you thirsty? I'm thirsty! Where am I? How did I get here?Dec 13 06:56
schestowitzlolDec 13 06:57
DaemonFCLOLLMAOROFLCOPTER!!!!!!Dec 13 06:57
DaemonFCYOU'RE LIKE FUNNY!!!Dec 13 06:58
DaemonFCHAHAHAHA!!!!Dec 13 06:58
DaemonFC;)Dec 13 06:58
DaemonFCFUNNY FUNNY FUNNY FUN E FUN EDec 13 06:58
DaemonFCwhoa, that's a trippy wordDec 13 06:58
DaemonFCschestowitz: You reckon there's life on those ceiling specks?Dec 13 06:59
DaemonFCthey're like, so far awayDec 13 06:59
schestowitzhttp://www.libresoftwareworldconference.com/programa/ponentes/patentes-de-software-el-imperio-contrataca.htmlDec 13 06:59
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DaemonFCseriously though, why does the government give disability payments to people who use drugs?Dec 13 07:00
schestowitzDaemonFC: these are not living animalsDec 13 07:00
prurigroDaemonFC: is your understanding of life self-replicating, or is it conscious?Dec 13 07:00
schestowitzjust organisms you can light upDec 13 07:00
DaemonFCshouldn't illegal drugs mean prison?Dec 13 07:00
Brendan_TAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASDec 13 07:01
schestowitzwhat about alcohol?Dec 13 07:01
DaemonFCyeah, they give it to alcoholics too, but at least they get half of it back in taxesDec 13 07:01
MinceRwhat about nicotine?Dec 13 07:01
prurigroif you're adding variability to humanity by experimenting on yourself and hurting noone in the processDec 13 07:01
schestowitzmorphine?Dec 13 07:01
prurigrowhy should that be something to be punished?Dec 13 07:01
DaemonFCif you want to be a stupid unwashed hippie that stares at the ceiling all day, go for itDec 13 07:02
schestowitzhow long before bottles of beer get labelling like cigs?Dec 13 07:02
DaemonFCI just think they need to find a source of money that doesn't come from my paycheckDec 13 07:02
schestowitz"Beer [image of filthy liver] it can mess you up"Dec 13 07:02
DaemonFC:)Dec 13 07:02
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schestowitz"Beer... make you take leak in street"Dec 13 07:02
prurigroDaemonFC: what if they're extremely classy scientists who discovered DNA?Dec 13 07:03
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DaemonFCschestowitz: I already got to write my name in the snow this yearDec 13 07:03
DaemonFCit's an annual must doDec 13 07:03
schestowitzdon'tDec 13 07:04
*Brendan_T had a rest on his keyboardDec 13 07:04
DaemonFCpublic urination isn't such a bad thingDec 13 07:04
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/EIP_Strategy/statuses/144449131144937474 buggers!Dec 13 07:04
TechrightsBot-tr@EIP_Strategy: EIP CII patentability webinar receives glowing report from CIPA members http://t.co/jyRJnVa0 #eipevents #swpatDec 13 07:04
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DaemonFCthe government lets big companies put worse things into our environmentDec 13 07:04
prurigroDaemonFC: whose the unwashed hippie? ;) j/kDec 13 07:04
DaemonFCI think it should be perfectly legal to whip it out and piss wherever you need to, except indoors obviouslyDec 13 07:05
DaemonFCsince that would cause a mess and be rude to the people who have to clean it upDec 13 07:05
schestowitzBrendan_T: I feel for you. I slept leaning back on the couch.. neck is killing me now, but no marks on the forehead :-)Dec 13 07:05
prurigroa teacher of mine in grade 12 law taught us one thing again and again that yearDec 13 07:05
prurigrohe said "if you're a man, the world is your bathroom"Dec 13 07:05
DaemonFCdon't eat the yellow snowDec 13 07:06
DaemonFC:)Dec 13 07:06
schestowitzfences  are seethroughDec 13 07:06
prurigroschestowitz: while you're around, did you want me to take a look at the website at any point over the holidays? I'll have timeDec 13 07:06
schestowitzsureDec 13 07:07
DaemonFCschestowitz: I found some old CD-ROMs today while I was cleaningDec 13 07:07
DaemonFCWindows 98Dec 13 07:07
schestowitzi have thatDec 13 07:07
schestowitzse2Dec 13 07:07
DaemonFCRevenge of Mozilla + Windows 95 OSR 2 shell files + NetscapeDec 13 07:07
schestowitzse i meanDec 13 07:07
schestowitz2nd edDec 13 07:07
prurigroschestowitz: did you wanna talk about changes? give me the keys? setup a time to chat about it in the future?Dec 13 07:08
MinceRor they should also prevent dogs from pissing all over everythingDec 13 07:09
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/gibus/statuses/145198909705289728Dec 13 07:09
TechrightsBot-tr@gibus: @rufuspollock talking about #opendata: the list of MEPs who have signed 2005 amendments against #swpats would be of great helpDec 13 07:09
MinceRi can recommend the good old shotgun method for thatDec 13 07:09
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/EIP_Strategy/statuses/144449131144937474Dec 13 07:09
TechrightsBot-tr@EIP_Strategy: EIP CII patentability webinar receives glowing report from CIPA members http://t.co/jyRJnVa0 #eipevents #swpatDec 13 07:09
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prurigroyo, win98se2 was the last version of windows I ranDec 13 07:10
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/EIP_Strategy/statuses/144449131144937474Dec 13 07:10
TechrightsBot-tr@EIP_Strategy: EIP CII patentability webinar receives glowing report from CIPA members http://t.co/jyRJnVa0 #eipevents #swpatDec 13 07:10
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/gibus/statuses/145079773557825536Dec 13 07:10
TechrightsBot-tr@gibus: or granting #swpats ♻ @ManagingIP: Battistelli: EPO can influence patent harmo through translation, classification, PPH #IPWeek2011Dec 13 07:10
DaemonFCthere was a Revenge of Mozilla II SEDec 13 07:10
DaemonFCfor 98 SEDec 13 07:10
prurigrotheatres or straight to video?Dec 13 07:10
DaemonFCthe guy abandoned them after that, I asked why and he said he had switched to Linux and had no further interest in gutting WindowsDec 13 07:11
schestowitzprurigro: sure, give me week/fotrtnight to catch upDec 13 07:11
DaemonFCit removed IE, Outlook Express, and a bunch of other crap from Windows 98Dec 13 07:11
DaemonFCand could optionally replace the shell with the one from 95 OSR 2Dec 13 07:11
DaemonFCand patch it to say Windows 98Dec 13 07:11
DaemonFCthe reason for doing that is that the IE shell integration caused a massive amount of bugs and memory leaksDec 13 07:12
DaemonFCand the one from 95 OSR 2 didn't have thatDec 13 07:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !tzag @expatpaul it's 2amish here, so technically morning, though it feels like the night before :)Dec 13 07:12
DaemonFCit was freewareDec 13 07:13
DaemonFChttp://toastytech.com/guis/98lite2.htmlDec 13 07:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 98Lite Version 2 .::. Size~: 6.7 KBDec 13 07:13
DaemonFCthis did basically the same job but it was sharewareDec 13 07:13
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DaemonFCthe shareware version only removed IE and left everything else, including the IE rendering engineDec 13 07:14
prurigroschestowitz: cool, I just pm'd you a response with my emailDec 13 07:14
schestowitztaDec 13 07:15
schestowitzbrb, seeing urgent newsDec 13 07:15
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/kgerloff/statuses/145198916957249536Dec 13 07:16
TechrightsBot-tr@kgerloff: Good summary of #Apple ban in Europe http://t.co/1hxCMGin (DE) Can we all agree now that #swpat are silly?Dec 13 07:16
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prurigrourgent news = ^^?Dec 13 07:16
MinceRs/nicotine/& + harmaline/Dec 13 07:17
prurigrohahaDec 13 07:18
prurigroMinceR: a little syrian rue?Dec 13 07:18
MinceRnoDec 13 07:18
MinceRjust tobaccoDec 13 07:18
prurigrohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HarmalineDec 13 07:19
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MinceRi just found out that nicotine is not so addictive by itself, but the plant contains at least one MAOI that makes it a lot more addictiveDec 13 07:19
prurigroI thought nicotine was a MAOI itself?Dec 13 07:19
prurigroMAO-B inhibitor I thinkDec 13 07:19
prurigrobut noDec 13 07:19
DaemonFChttps://addons.opera.com/en/addons/extensions/details/get-off-my-lawn/0.4/Dec 13 07:19
prurigronicotine is extremely addictive itselfDec 13 07:19
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prurigroit has more than one method of action thoughDec 13 07:20
prurigrocompared to its effects on the Ach system though, the MAOI effects are minimalDec 13 07:20
*DaemonFC shocks MinceR with an electronic cigaretteDec 13 07:21
DaemonFCharmless?Dec 13 07:21
DaemonFC:DDec 13 07:21
schestowitzhaha http://www.prwatch.org/news/2011/12/11172/ows-real-grassroots-vs-astroturfDec 13 07:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: OWS: Real Grassroots vs. Astroturf | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 55.88 KBDec 13 07:22
schestowitzThey use techrights image, which I made in GIMPDec 13 07:22
Brendan_Tdo cigarette companies tell anyone what else they put in?Dec 13 07:22
DaemonFCI smoke sometimesDec 13 07:22
DaemonFCI know it's bad for meDec 13 07:22
DaemonFCoh wellDec 13 07:22
schestowitzme smokes passivelyDec 13 07:22
Brendan_Tyou gain anyhing from it?Dec 13 07:23
DaemonFCI also make my coffee too strongDec 13 07:23
DaemonFCand use more salt in my cooking than President Obama wants me toDec 13 07:23
prurigrorandom fact: methol passes the BBB to potentate the effects of nicotine in the brainDec 13 07:23
schestowitzmy clothes do too -- like last SaturdayDec 13 07:23
schestowitzI'll have two smoked shirts and a beer, pleaseDec 13 07:23
prurigrorandom fact #2: tiny hairs on tobacco collect specifically molecules that tend to be more frequently radioactiveDec 13 07:23
Brendan_Tmy friend and i drink green tea every day, and he reckons hes gotten addicted to it, or at least dependant because it helps his headache somehow, which is awesome because its healthyDec 13 07:24
DaemonFCtalk about federal government micromanagingDec 13 07:24
DaemonFCthey're telling you how much salt you can haveDec 13 07:24
schestowitzsmells like placeboDec 13 07:24
DaemonFCwhile promoting the use of enough cheese to kill anything that's ever livedDec 13 07:25
DaemonFC(cholesterol)Dec 13 07:25
schestowitzBTW, I found a polite way to tell people religion is BSDec 13 07:25
prurigroBrendan_T: you know caffeine withdrawal involves headache right?Dec 13 07:25
Brendan_Tdoesnt suprise meDec 13 07:25
schestowitzI say something like, "I respect your placebo treatment. It makes you feel better."Dec 13 07:25
prurigroDaemonFC: fact- you will die if you don't eat enough saltDec 13 07:25
Brendan_Thardly mattersDec 13 07:25
prurigroschestowitz: what's that?Dec 13 07:25
Ziomatrixiight good night folks or in my time as well as others g'day.Dec 13 07:26
prurigrohahaDec 13 07:26
Brendan_Tsure but its practically impossible to not eat too much salt anymoreDec 13 07:26
schestowitzhehDec 13 07:26
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prurigrostill seems a bit belittling, but its hard not to sound like that when you're essentially explaining to someone why you don't believe in santa clauseDec 13 07:26
Brendan_Teat some bread, theres half your days saltDec 13 07:26
prurigroZiomatrix: have a good nightDec 13 07:26
schestowitzprurigro: same for waterDec 13 07:26
Brendan_Tschestowitz: no wayDec 13 07:27
prurigroschestowitz: true! funny how all the original settlements were in locations with lots of both eh? :)Dec 13 07:27
schestowitzour membranes need saltDec 13 07:27
schestowitzmore so if we drink a lotDec 13 07:27
prurigrono sodium -> no action potential -> no cellular communication -> you're deadDec 13 07:28
prurigromy dad's friend actually died of 'water poisoning', which as schestowitz points out, is equivalent to a lack of saltDec 13 07:29
Brendan_Tyes but intentionally adding salt to anything is ridiculousDec 13 07:29
prurigroBrendan_T: that depends how often you eat outDec 13 07:30
prurigrorestaurant food and fast food have loads of salt because it tastes deliciousDec 13 07:30
prurigroat that point you're goodDec 13 07:30
prurigrobut if you live in a household where people are following the ridiculous notion that salt is badDec 13 07:30
Brendan_Tand what on earth doesnt have enough salt?Dec 13 07:30
prurigroyou could be at risk for a whole slew of problemsDec 13 07:30
prurigrovery few things start out with saltDec 13 07:30
prurigrowe add it to everything because its so importantDec 13 07:31
prurigrowe also add iodine to our salt to prevent goitresDec 13 07:31
schestowitzDaemonFC: http://www.prwatch.org/news/2011/12/11147/we-are-farmer-brownDec 13 07:32
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Brendan_Tequivalent to lack of salt?Dec 13 07:33
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schestowitziodine?!Dec 13 07:33
prurigroit was likely not homogenized? Dec 13 07:33
Brendan_Tseems like a fairly different thingDec 13 07:33
prurigroBrendan_T: what do you mean?Dec 13 07:33
schestowitzwhat are you eating, puss?Dec 13 07:33
prurigroschestowitz: very very very small amountsDec 13 07:33
prurigro:)Dec 13 07:33
prurigroand not pure eitherDec 13 07:34
prurigroI don't believe at leasstDec 13 07:34
schestowitzhybrid puss? :-)Dec 13 07:34
schestowitz"pure puss," says the tin, "100% natural"Dec 13 07:34
prurigrokinda like NaOH vs Na :)Dec 13 07:34
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prurigroerr, NaCl rather, NaOH = fight club hand scene, which wasn't what I was trying to get acrossDec 13 07:35
prurigrothat being that sodium chloride is fine to eat, and sodium is pretty well poisonous if directly eatenDec 13 07:36
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/news/2011/12/11151/california-farmer-brownDec 13 07:36
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schestowitzHe uses unlicensed teats. Put him in jail !!Dec 13 07:36
prurigroschestowitz: raw milk is dangerous though, that's why its bannedDec 13 07:37
schestowitzwhat did your mom feed you?Dec 13 07:37
prurigroyou can really make people sick feeding them unhomogenized milkDec 13 07:37
prurigroits not the same with cowsDec 13 07:37
schestowitzI know, I'm kiddingDec 13 07:37
prurigrothere's blood and puss mixed in :)Dec 13 07:37
prurigrohaha kk good stuffDec 13 07:38
prurigroI actually read a studyDec 13 07:38
prurigrothat took place shortly after making homogenization mandatoryDec 13 07:38
schestowitzaren't these filled with utrients and ger,ms for the immune system? :-Dec 13 07:38
Brendan_Ttoo much water and not enough salt seem like two fairly different thingsDec 13 07:38
Brendan_Toh maybe notDec 13 07:38
prurigrothey took a bunch of farmers who complained about how much less delicious it wasDec 13 07:38
prurigroand gave them a taste testDec 13 07:38
prurigrobetween homogenized milk, which they continued to believe tasted less deliciousDec 13 07:39
prurigroand what they picked out to be non-homo milkDec 13 07:39
prurigrobut was actually homogenized milk with manure addedDec 13 07:39
schestowitzdifferent stroks for different folksDec 13 07:40
prurigroI think its what you get used toDec 13 07:40
schestowitzat least you know when you've had a shity mealDec 13 07:40
prurigrololDec 13 07:40
prurigroweoooDec 13 07:40
schestowitzBTW, yesterday morning there was milk the frifge  days past expiration dateDec 13 07:40
schestowitzBut it tasted fineDec 13 07:40
prurigroI think they do something different to milk now daysDec 13 07:40
prurigrobritian was the first actuallyDec 13 07:40
schestowitzSo I took a chance and gambled on having a litre... I was fineDec 13 07:40
prurigroI went there in 99' and they didn't even need to keep it refrigeratedDec 13 07:41
prurigrobut either way, milk used to go sour and curdle shortly after the expiryDec 13 07:41
prurigronow days it seems to stay good quite a bit afterDec 13 07:41
prurigroand then suddenly just rotDec 13 07:41
prurigrobecoming putrid compared to sour milkDec 13 07:41
schestowitzyeahDec 13 07:41
schestowitzbut isn't growth exponential for the germs?Dec 13 07:42
schestowitzI reckoned that had been the only causeDec 13 07:42
prurigroit is, but I think it would typically sour first beforeDec 13 07:42
prurigroand I think they must be preventing that nowDec 13 07:42
prurigromaybe diff bacteria?Dec 13 07:42
schestowitztoday's milk is massively diluted with added preservatives and crapDec 13 07:42
prurigroyupDec 13 07:42
schestowitza sour tipping pointDec 13 07:43
prurigroyou are what you eatDec 13 07:43
Brendan_Tprurigro: yeah. i used to have soy milk when i was little due to lactose intolerance and so the powered milk mum always got tasted filthy. later i got over it and started drinking it which made it taste fine after a while. then i moved out of home for a bit and had regular bottled milk and got used to it too which initally tasted crapDec 13 07:43
schestowitzyou are now what you urinateDec 13 07:43
schestowitzit sort of follows from thatDec 13 07:43
prurigroyou used to be what you urinate? :)Dec 13 07:43
schestowitzlike homoeopathyDec 13 07:43
prurigroBrendan_T: so you got used to the flavour you mean?Dec 13 07:44
prurigrolol homeopathy....Dec 13 07:44
schestowitzit's as sound as telepathyDec 13 07:44
prurigrothe final intelligence filter after passing through all the religionsDec 13 07:44
Brendan_Tyes, what else?Dec 13 07:44
schestowitznow spit in my goddamn coffee cup and let me tell you your futureDec 13 07:45
prurigrotelepathy is more plausible than homeopathyDec 13 07:45
prurigroat least it hasn't been proven 'not' to existDec 13 07:45
prurigroBrendan_T: do you take pills for your intolerance?Dec 13 07:45
Brendan_Tnope it went away magically after i was a kidDec 13 07:45
prurigrooh funDec 13 07:45
Brendan_Tunless i just dont notice it killing me :DDec 13 07:45
prurigrohahaDec 13 07:46
schestowitzlactose intolerance seems commonDec 13 07:46
prurigroI heard one doctor theorize that most europeans with it are actually celiacDec 13 07:46
schestowitzMaybe related also to blood types... I can't have *too* much sterilised milkDec 13 07:46
Brendan_Ti used to have asthma too which went awayDec 13 07:46
prurigroI had asthma for a month or two as a kidDec 13 07:47
prurigroI think you can have a sudden sensitivity to a lot of allergens and have something that appears like itDec 13 07:47
schestowitzIn Russia, asthma leaves YOUDec 13 07:47
prurigrolol, oh RussiaDec 13 07:48
prurigromy Russian friend was trying to use google translate's voice feature tonight, and it didn't catch like anything she saidDec 13 07:48
prurigrodoes a much better job with englishDec 13 07:49
prurigroand on that note-- Google is really starting to make me uncomfortable these daysDec 13 07:49
*prurigro doesn't like being the productDec 13 07:51
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prurigroBrendan_T: since the convo seems to be over, I should probably point out in conclusion, that salt, like everything else we need, is good in moderation-- not excess or avoidance (since it likely seemed I was arguing only that more = better)Dec 13 07:54
scientesi never had allergys before and about a week ago i just couldnt stop sneezing all dayDec 13 07:55
scienteslike probably 100 sneezesDec 13 07:56
schestowitzgoogle never made me comfortableDec 13 07:56
scientesbut its just so samn usefulDec 13 07:56
schestowitztheir themes are also pedo-esqueDec 13 07:57
schestowitz100 sneezes is not so extremeDec 13 07:57
schestowitzthey come in pairs and tripletsDec 13 07:58
schestowitzso a bout every half an hour would doDec 13 07:58
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schestowitzSPH=sneezes per hour :-)Dec 13 07:58
schestowitzThe troll earlier was probably LozaaDec 13 08:03
schestowitzHe did the same in Twitter at the same time http://twitter.com/qubitarkhive/statuses/146415334478454785 http://twitter.com/qubitarkhive/statuses/146415744194850816 http://twitter.com/qubitarkhive/statuses/146416323583422464 http://twitter.com/qubitarkhive/statuses/146415947853479936 http://twitter.com/qubitarkhive/statuses/146416753956749312Dec 13 08:04
TechrightsBot-tr@qubitarkhive: @schestowitz I filed a monopoly complaint, no dice. Gov't told me I could get pc's without Windows (and it's true)Dec 13 08:04
TechrightsBot-tr@qubitarkhive: @schestowitz why is msft allowing open source in its app store?? Deep derpDec 13 08:04
TechrightsBot-tr@qubitarkhive: @schestowitz why is firesux losing to chrome?? Or is google part of the #conspiracy too??Dec 13 08:04
TechrightsBot-tr@qubitarkhive: @schestowitz why berate and diss volunteers? Just cause they aren't Pinocchio too??Dec 13 08:04
TechrightsBot-tr@qubitarkhive: @schestowitz #conspiracy to make money!!! Damn #capitalism 1!1!!1Dec 13 08:04
schestowitzhttp://www.extremetech.com/extreme/108573-worlds-first-programmable-quantum-photonic-chipDec 13 08:19
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schestowitzhttp://redmonk.com/sogrady/2011/12/08/holding-back-the-age-of-data/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tecosystems+%28tecosystems%29Dec 13 08:20
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1028751 "I read that the kremlin was robospamming some of the hashtags used. "Dec 13 08:28
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schestowitzhttp://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/73908.htmlDec 13 08:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] WebOS Crawls Out of Purgatory and Into Open Source http://ur1.ca/6nnd2 #linuxDec 13 08:34
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1029704Dec 13 08:34
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schestowitzlol https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1018700Dec 13 08:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Million Dollar Crowdturfing Industry Dupes Social Networks http://goo.gl/VB4pqDec 13 08:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Apparently Congress Wants To Pretend No One Is Really That Concerned About #SOPA http://goo.gl/fuX6tDec 13 08:44
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prurigro(off topic) http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/15/disturbing-face-distortion-illusion/Dec 13 08:44
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1016473Dec 13 08:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] Helsinki city officials highly satisfied with Free Software http://www.ur1.ca/6nnpf !gnu !freesoftware !finlandDec 13 08:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Helsinki city officials highly satisfied with Free Software http://ur1.ca/6nnpf #fiDec 13 08:49
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prurigrolol schestowitzDec 13 08:50
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1028727Dec 13 08:50
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schestowitz"I made a similar graph a couple of days ago about incomes. https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1016406 "Dec 13 08:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] No, You Won't See Me on Facebook, Google Plus, nor Skype http://ur1.ca/61nzx #gplusDec 13 08:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Red Hat forecasts double-digit growth in Latin America in fiscal 2012 http://is.gd/7pTQrP #gnu #linux #redhatDec 13 09:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] humerously, Plasma Active approached them about AppUp enablind PA and got zero response despite many discussions.Dec 13 09:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Red Hat (RHT) Shares Given New $60.00 Price Target by Citigroup (C) Analysts http://is.gd/H2tT37 even speculators bet on #linuxDec 13 09:04
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1029725 "so true!"Dec 13 09:08
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scientesyes, i will not connect my sociel data pool with search pool, i will not join google+Dec 13 09:09
schestowitzhttp://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/raising_money_lunatics_kickstarterDec 13 09:10
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scienteshow economic theory came to ignore the role of debt http://www.paecon.net/PAEReview/issue57/Hudson57.pdfDec 13 09:12
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schestowitzhttp://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20111130203135840Dec 13 09:12
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scientesthe current issue has a article on economics and ethics, could be goodDec 13 09:12
schestowitziophk:  http://ur1.ca/6nnpf Dec 13 09:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Non-profit uses big data to track big government - http://bit.ly/uUFc03 “For us this is trying to expand the way Sunlight tracks influence”Dec 13 09:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 2012 Will Be The Year of Weixin - http://bit.ly/u6Hkxc interesting: IM client will only be for #mobile #chinaDec 13 09:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Helsinki city officials highly satisfied with Free Software - http://bit.ly/vLLPq8 important thumbs-up for #freesw from users #fiDec 13 09:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #UNESCO Introduces Global Open Access Portal - http://bit.ly/uARA8j good to have its backing; not sure of the role #oaDec 13 09:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Thomas Friedman Is Flat: More Nonsense on Economics In the NYT http://is.gd/Zor75J the voice for the plutocratsDec 13 09:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] 13-12-11 Happy #Robotolaus everybody ;)Dec 13 09:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @fsfe Helsinki city officials highly satisfied with Free Software http://www.ur1.ca/6nnpf !gnu !freesoftware !finlandDec 13 09:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @vendorprisey @PiratNEA Nürnberger Nachrichten sieht die Piratenpartei mit 6% im bayerischen Landtag #Piraten #deDec 13 09:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Danke an die #MFA s der !fellowship Gruppe in #DUS http://ur1.ca/6np6r (What are MFAs? http://ur1.ca/6np7y)Dec 13 09:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open Government Consultation, Twitter Townhalls & Doing Advocacy Wrong - http://bit.ly/uzSFDO useful update on #canada's latest moves #ogovDec 13 09:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Planning your #LCA2012 trip? We have a Google Map with key information on it! Thanks @ms_mary_mac ! http://bit.ly/smGKNoDec 13 09:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Canada pulls out of Kyoto protocol - http://bit.ly/v6YKtI first tar sands, now this: shameful #environmentDec 13 09:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] On !fsfe 's websites: To translate or not to translate? http://ur1.ca/6jawnDec 13 10:17
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1029761Dec 13 10:27
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schestowitzproprietaryfest http://ibmsystemsmag.com/mainframe/trends/whatsnew/iOS_mainframe/Dec 13 10:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #Bundestags-IT unterstützt #GnuPG !fs zum Verschlüsseln. Jetzt Abgeordnete anschreiben und ermutigen mitzumachen! http://ur1.ca/6nqmk !gnuDec 13 10:37
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schestowitzhttp://www.tuttoandroid.net/android/barnes-noble-vs-microsoft-rogatorie-a-canada-e-finlandia-per-mosaid-e-nokia-30876/Dec 13 10:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Barnes & Noble vs. Microsoft: rogatorie a Canada e Finlandia per MOSAID e Nokia - Tutto Android .::. Size~: 45.81 KBDec 13 10:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] A long time ago I suggested that #WebOS should be freed http://is.gd/cQUxJq due to Android growth in tablets, #HP is likely too lateDec 13 10:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Modest Proposal to Palm: Set WebOS Free, Encourage Homebrew | Techrights .::. Size~: 111.4 KBDec 13 10:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Freedom Online: Stop the Double-Speak! http://is.gd/NSNIEF "net neutrality" is a form of #censorship as wellDec 13 10:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] CentOS turns 6.1, still trails Red Hat by a lap http://ur1.ca/6nr2o #redhat #centosDec 13 10:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Red Hat 6.2 scales up on multicore platforms http://ur1.ca/6nr4y #redhat #gnu #linuxDec 13 10:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Download.com Caught Adding Malware http://ur1.ca/6fakl Last Update: December 12, 2011Dec 13 10:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] In proprietary software, malicious features are not a bug. They are features.Dec 13 10:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Download.com Caught Adding Malware to Nmap & Other Software .::. Size~: 35 KBDec 13 10:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] No disconnect – ICT helping Human Rights across the world http://ur1.ca/6mhs0 #FOSS essentialDec 13 10:59
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1030359 "Palm was a great little os - it would be good if it could be made relevant again"Dec 13 11:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Carriers are, by UK law, required to track all mobile phone users. Is that *really* for tracking them down amid emerge... http://b1t.it/aaZjDec 13 11:01
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1029775 "That's #awesome!"Dec 13 11:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] In the UK, one must give postcode, name etc. in order to carry a cellular device. Even for /prepaid/ ones (!!). What does that mean?Dec 13 11:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Finding a Linux Job http://ur1.ca/6nrdd must find #Linux skills firstDec 13 11:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Apple and Dunder Mifflin-Sabre agree that the pyramid makes a fine, legal tablet design." http://is.gd/dmpLcp #apple #lulzDec 13 11:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @schestowitz: Download.com Caught Adding Malware http://ur1.ca/6fakl Last Update: December 12, 2011Dec 13 11:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Internet BitTorrent Spies http://ur1.ca/6nrk6 USB=private; LAN w/o encr.=not privateDec 13 11:09
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1030570 "So does that mean if I come to UK with my n900, it will be illegal and if I switch to their local mobile carrier they will start tracking me? The heck of a country is that?"Dec 13 11:09
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schestowitzMost likely all nations (I guess) have a mechanism for mapping who calls whom and this data might be shared across borders for "security" reasons (TERROR~1 funding, abuse of the children!), just like w/ credit cards.Dec 13 11:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Former #Blackwater firm renamed again #XeServices #Academi http://goo.gl/20lar #reputationwashing - cue bids for the same govt contractsDec 13 11:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU's Advisor On Supporting Net Activists Previously Forced From German Government...By Net Activists - http://bit.ly/vExUpN is that wise?Dec 13 11:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GNU AutoGen http://ur1.ca/6dxsw not notable?!Dec 13 11:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Issue ID #win: http://is.gd/MQkwEHDec 13 11:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Mash star #HarryMorgan dies aged 96 http://goo.gl/2NFboDec 13 11:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Zittrain in Technology Review: The personal computer is dead http://is.gd/ndCGmh bad news for the abusive monopolistDec 13 11:22
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/fcassia/status/146550305012727809?iid=am-203724525013237752906648304&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208Dec 13 11:27
TechrightsBot-tr@fcassia: @schestowitz The WhackypediaPolice is out of control http://t.co/gwT1joUi "This article has been nominated to be checked for its neutrality"Dec 13 11:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Security vendors help covert agencies spy on their own citizens: WikiLeaks http://is.gd/7ToyhL proprietary s/w tends to do thatDec 13 11:27
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schestowitz"Well, I don't have to register my device in here, but I my carrier does have some information. I read through their TOS and Privacy Policy though, they don't share info with the feds unless required and they don't do tracking. But registering a cellular device? " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1030570Dec 13 11:28
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schestowitzIn the UK they even phone your house to verify you don't produce fake info.Dec 13 11:28
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1030655 "[citation needed]"Dec 13 11:29
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1030581 "https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1030581"Dec 13 11:29
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schestowitz">Android >Linux Does not compute. I didn't know J2EE is popular lately. " >Android >Linux Does not compute. Never knew J2EE is so popular lately. Dec 13 11:30
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/fcassia/status/146551807143968768?iid=am-136815635413237756486494914&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208Dec 13 11:30
TechrightsBot-tr@fcassia: @schestowitz #MSFT has partnered w HP (fog computing), the Telefonica monopoy (mobile apps),Telmex (Silverlight video on demand) #tentaclesDec 13 11:30
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/946599 "BTW: your != you're"Dec 13 11:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] What we did at FSFE in 2011: Overview now online at http://l.fsfe.org/2011 Thanks to everyone who supported us!Dec 13 11:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] RT @fsfe What we did at FSFE in 2011: Overview now online at http://l.fsfe.org/2011 Thanks to everyone who supported us!Dec 13 11:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Surprisingly, identi.ca's location info thingy doesn't work so well when I'm on a train going 200 km/h.Dec 13 11:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Goldman Saching of Europe http://ur1.ca/6nsu6 http://is.gd/9LeEl3 #euDec 13 11:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Whenever I hear IPO ATM, in my head it starts playing "Tick, tick, tick BOOM" #justsayin http://ur1.ca/6nswy... http://b1t.it/aa1cDec 13 11:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Goldman Sachs whistleblower threatened with the sack http://is.gd/xIahdi a crime to report crime? Shades of #wikileaksDec 13 12:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] The other song I hear in my head when IPO is mentioned: Here Comes Another Bubble v1.1 - The Richter Scales from 2007! #justsayinDec 13 12:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Anything you recommend my adding to my Good !FreeSoftware related books as a #present http://ur1.ca/2lkvh !fsfe !gnuDec 13 12:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Got invited to Google Docs, used Firefox to access it, asked to 'upgrade' to Chrome for "unsupported" features http://is.gd/uBYoTIDec 13 12:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @fsfe What we did at FSFE in 2011: Overview now online at http://l.fsfe.org/2011 Thanks to everyone who supported us!Dec 13 12:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @AJEnglish: #Tunisia's president vows to uphold revolution http://t.co/RkoSHmfVDec 13 12:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] All remember the Nokia SMS of Death that would brick your phone? It is back. On Windows Mobile. Anyone with a Nokia Lu... http://b1t.it/aa1CDec 13 12:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks rundraiser: High quality art garments for Xmas designed/donated by Metahaven http://t.co/TU6QOBqFDec 13 12:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] early days shareware was like on-you-honour-ware, then nag-ware, these days cripple-ware? or has it gone beyond that?Dec 13 12:22
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1029761 "Laughed so hard I nearly cried"Dec 13 12:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Not Being Announced Tomorrow: Discovery of the Higgs Boson http://identi.ca/url/62327961 !scienceDec 13 12:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Prof. of Constitutional Law at Harvard says that SOPA violates First Amendment http://identi.ca/url/62327979 !effDec 13 12:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] what exactly? the FreeCC brand? or de-branding the non-Free CC licences?Dec 13 12:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] A Never Before Seen Optical Trick Creates Ultra-Secure Cash http://identi.ca/url/62327990 !scienceDec 13 12:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] how so on both points?Dec 13 12:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Not Being Announced Tomorrow: Discovery of the Higgs Boson | Cosmic Variance | Discover Magazine .::. Size~: 67.88 KBDec 13 12:29
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: A Never Before Seen Optical Trick Creates Ultra-Secure Cash | Fast Company .::. Size~: 48.12 KBDec 13 12:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] The Secret Number http://identi.ca/url/62328037 !miotdDec 13 12:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Sen Ron Wyden promises hard questions over US Customs Enforcement's secret seizure of domain names http://identi.ca/url/62328044 !effDec 13 12:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Missing Doctor Who episodes found http://identi.ca/url/62328060 !miotdDec 13 12:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Video: Julian Assange on Bradley Manning and betryal by the NYTimes, Guardian http://t.co/rftGWIh3 #wikileaks #freebradDec 13 12:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Cambridge digital library posts scan of Newton's Trinity College notebook, claims copyright over scans http://identi.ca/url/62328086 !effDec 13 12:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Fiction: The Secret Number, by Igor Teper .::. Size~: 19.57 KBDec 13 12:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] MIT's new 1 trillion frames per second camera captures light in motion http://identi.ca/url/62328149 !scienceDec 13 12:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] CommonCrawl: an open repository of web crawl data that is universally accessible http://identi.ca/url/62328238Dec 13 12:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] !Google is adding a terminal emulator to Chrome http://identi.ca/url/62328261Dec 13 12:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Blanking all Wikipedia as SOPA Protest Live Stats http://identi.ca/url/62328300 !effDec 13 12:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [chrome] Revision 113066 .::. Size~: 9.6 KBDec 13 12:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Blanking all Wikipedia as SOPA Protest Live Stats - Hacks and Thoughts .::. Size~: 56.58 KBDec 13 12:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Motorola secures Europe-wide sales ban on iPhone, iPad http://identi.ca/url/62328587 Victory for !Linux and !FOSS ?Dec 13 12:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Motorola secures Europe-wide sales ban on iPhone, iPad http://identi.ca/url/62328587 Victory for !Linux and !FSF ?Dec 13 12:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Motorola secures Europe-wide sales ban on iPhone, iPad | ZDNet .::. Size~: 139.97 KBDec 13 12:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Motorola secures Europe-wide sales ban on iPhone, iPad | ZDNet .::. Size~: 136.26 KBDec 13 12:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: @iHub @cfskenya you guys are famous! video on ICT opening new horizons in Nairobi http:/ http://p.ost.im/p/eU7JXCDec 13 12:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: @Doener net freedom is about more than one person and one country. #NoDisconnect http://p.ost.im/p/eUuS9yDec 13 12:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: How ICT opens horizons in Nairobi, Kenya - great video! http://t.co/p56jdWNX #EDD11 #dev http://p.ost.im/p/eUWtwhDec 13 12:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Eindelijk initiatief genomen: ik stel mijn lichaam ter beschikking aan de wetenschap #feelsogoodDec 13 12:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Two countries, separated by a common IT market by @ghelleks | red.ht/t1sJyi #opensource #UK #US #procurementDec 13 13:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Ik ben op zoek naar het Worldwide album van http://ur1.ca/6nug6 kan het nergens vinden en kan alleen met cash betalen #durftevragenDec 13 13:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: introlemming .::. Size~: 10.42 KBDec 13 13:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Facebook's "HipHop Virtual Machine" released [LWN.net] #vm #flosstools http://goo.gl/RN65qDec 13 13:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Facebook's "HipHop Virtual Machine" released [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 16.98 KBDec 13 13:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Alaa Abdel Fatah is at the court in Cairo. Will he be free to leave? Or will SCAF continue this farce? #freeAlaa http:... http://b1t.it/aa29Dec 13 13:09
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1029761Dec 13 13:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - Alaa Abdel Fatah is at the court in Cairo. Will he be free… .::. Size~: 47.35 KBDec 13 13:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] just noticed that youtube.com's google-revamp makes it blend nearly PERFECTLY into Plasma Active 2. accidental, but a pretty awesome effect.Dec 13 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Thats why its a victory. Apple just lost about a fourth of their market (assuming US is half, Asia is other quarter), Android can swoop in.Dec 13 13:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Helsinki city officials highly satisfied with Free Software - #flossfiles #fsfe #finland http://goo.gl/BupjcDec 13 13:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Helsinki city officials highly satisfied with Free Software .::. Size~: 8.57 KBDec 13 13:12
amarsh04XFaCE, I'm probably not familiar enough with irc to be any kind of opDec 13 13:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Old Computer? No Problem! Linux Saves The Day. http://ur1.ca/6nupe #linux #gnuDec 13 13:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Some more info on the #freeAlaa topic. http://ur1.ca/6nuqe?... http://b1t.it/aa3iDec 13 13:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: CrunchBang Linux Rescues Old Computers! | Yet Another Linux Blog .::. Size~: 42.36 KBDec 13 13:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ur1 Generator .::. Size~: 2.26 KBDec 13 13:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - Some more info on the #freeAlaa topic.… .::. Size~: 45.73 KBDec 13 13:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] In praise of #LXDE http://ur1.ca/6nus9 tried it on Debian, it's very fastDec 13 13:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The Standard Model works (at 7 TeV) !Dec 13 13:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] the !Qt Developer Conference in !Beijing was great... I am toast now! later will post some info... now rest...Dec 13 13:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] at least #mer and #nemomobile has been mentioned at times and got great feedback from the #qt people. trying to get people involved...Dec 13 13:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laforge/@laforge] I really wonder why nobody has yet implemented full 7bit #GSM alphabet with all shift tables as part of GNU libiconv or Recode yet. #smsDec 13 13:21
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schestowitzBarbara Hudson Leaves GNU/Linux - "Out of 3 million files installed from Debian repositories, I was missing one little file. I’d say Debian GNU/Linux was pretty well perfect with Wheezy but they are still polishing the thing before release. I just don’t see any reason to leave GNU/Linux at this point."Dec 13 13:28
schestowitzhttp://mrpogson.com/2011/12/05/barbara-hudson-leaves-gnulinux/Dec 13 13:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Barbara Hudson Leaves GNU/Linux at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 37.85 KBDec 13 13:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft's decline on the WWW continues http://ur1.ca/6nv9mDec 13 13:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: December 2011 Web Server Survey | Netcraft .::. Size~: 32.83 KBDec 13 13:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Open Source Total Cost of Ownership 2.0 http://is.gd/KHzNID #tco #fud #gartnerDec 13 13:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Open Source Total Cost of Ownership 2.0 - Open Enterprise .::. Size~: 85.47 KBDec 13 13:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ambulances turned away as computer virus infects Gwinnett Medical Center computers http://is.gd/zWxioY #Windows powa!Dec 13 13:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Banco de Portugal precisa de ir fazer um estágio de poupança ao Banco do Brasil - http://goo.gl/tc2Vg http://goo.gl/hzdxv vi@jmceDec 13 13:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ambulances turned away as computer virus infects Gwinnett Medical Center computers  | ajc.com .::. Size~: 55.09 KBDec 13 13:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Documento Seleccionado - Contratos Públicos - D.R.E. .::. Size~: 10.58 KBDec 13 13:37
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schestowitz"It's a bit worn out already. After they did their bait'n'switch on G+ I have absolutely no trust in them. " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1030881Dec 13 13:39
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/koolhead17/status/146584433321967616?iid=am-74725293413237834272450014&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208Dec 13 13:39
TechrightsBot-tr@koolhead17: @schestowitz I thought MSFT owns some Gartner shares!! :PDec 13 13:39
iophkHas Gwinnett contacted law enforcement to find out who is responsible for having deployed Windows?Dec 13 13:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Shared a post "True." http://ur1.ca/6nvguDec 13 13:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Carsten Knobloch - Google+ - True. .::. Size~: 136.29 KBDec 13 13:44
schestowitziophk: you can't ask that question :-)Dec 13 13:44
schestowitzOnly if it's a defective fire extinguisher can this be doneDec 13 13:44
iophkIt's the root cause of the problems.Dec 13 13:44
schestowitzWindows is "part of a computer"Dec 13 13:44
iophkMore than once I've heard "Windows" used to mean generic GUIDec 13 13:45
schestowitzBut nobody gets fired for licking Bill's BootDec 13 13:45
iophkSoon.Dec 13 13:45
schestowitzI heard Bill is selling nuke patents he invests (read: for profit) in around ChinaDec 13 13:46
schestowitzKind BillDec 13 13:46
schestowitz!google gate spert china womenDec 13 13:46
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - GG The best sports web page | http://www.greatgate.com.cn/en_web/about_gg_02.htmlDec 13 13:46
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TechrightsBot-tr[3] - International Journal of the History of Sport | ResearchGate | http://www.researchgate.net/journal/0952-3367_International_Journal_of_the_History_of_SportDec 13 13:46
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Wholesale Women Leisure Sport Shoes - Buy China Wholesale ... | http://www.dhgate.com/wholesale/women%2Bleisure%2Bsport%2Bshoes.htmlDec 13 13:46
schestowitz!google gate sperm china womenDec 13 13:46
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Chinese women crave Bill Gates' sperm • The Register | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/04/gates_poll/Dec 13 13:46
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TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Bill Gates' Sperm Juicier(!) Than David Beckham's and Brad Pitt's ... | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Bill-Gates-039-Sperm-More-Juicy-than-David-Beckham-039-s-and-Brad-Pitt-039-s-58917.shtmlDec 13 13:46
schestowitzVult ogf $$Dec 13 13:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Sabily Linux review http://ur1.ca/6dqf8 #ubuntu #gnu #linuxDec 13 13:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #gimp 2.8 is coming soon http://ur1.ca/6nvjx #gnuDec 13 13:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sabily Linux review - open source, Linux - Open Source - Techworld .::. Size~: 81.8 KBDec 13 13:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: GIMP 2.7.4 to come soon, 2.8 release shortly after — News — gimpusers.com .::. Size~: 33.69 KBDec 13 13:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1031138 "Dec 13 13:52
schestowitzI would recommend Bodhi LinuxDec 13 13:52
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schestowitzhttp://www.bodhilinux.com/system.phpDec 13 13:52
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schestowitz"Dec 13 13:52
schestowitzhas anyone here tried it?Dec 13 13:52
schestowitzjeff said it got well over 100k downloadsDec 13 13:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Red Hat Gaining Market Share Against Microsoft, SUSE Linux and Oracle Solaris http://is.gd/75laBz #gnu #linuxDec 13 13:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Red Hat Gaining Market Share Against Microsoft, SUSE Linux and Oracle Solaris - International Business Times .::. Size~: 91.63 KBDec 13 13:52
schestowitz"mswindows kills people" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1031250Dec 13 13:53
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/86794265Dec 13 13:53
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Dec-11 13:45:56 UTC - Identi.ca: The danger of depending too much on #Google http://is.gd/mV8kdI                                                       ... http://b1t.it/aa4fDec 13 13:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: And Has Google Now Killed Off Firefox Completely By Pulling The Plug On Its Toolbar Deal?* .::. Size~: 258.06 KBDec 13 13:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @telecomix: Anyone can be telecomix. There is no formal membership. Proof of work = meritocracy. TCX has IRCocracy.Dec 13 13:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] BABY DON'T HERD ME... ♻ @dekaminski: WHAT IS LOVE http://t.co/FcIHT700Dec 13 14:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] looks like the Plasma Active Two release will be delayed by ~48 hours due to a last-minute show stopper that was discovered.Dec 13 14:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] It's So Secret, Even the #Fed Does Not Know Who It's Lending To - #bankingsystem #nwo http://goo.gl/4sxmy vi@ http://goo.gl/SAqBqDec 13 14:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis: It's So Secret, Even the Fed Does Not Know Who It's Lending To .::. Size~: 76.54 KBDec 13 14:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] True, but Apple has continually attacked Android platforms to monopolize. !Linux can never monopolize itself, it continuously forks.Dec 13 14:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] This Could Be Part Of The Reason #Iran Is So Darn Defensive | COLLAPSENET - #usa #nato #stateterrorism #wwiii http://goo.gl/s0PdmDec 13 14:12
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schestowitz"@Tanghus, bait and switch? Wasn't on G+ for long, closed it in favour of this, what do you mean? " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1030881Dec 13 14:27
Diablo-D3schestowitz: you here?Dec 13 14:27
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Diablo-D3schestowitz: mod this up: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3347529Dec 13 14:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Miguel de Icaza works for Microsoft, and Microsoft has extended Mono developers ... | Hacker News .::. Size~: 4.18 KBDec 13 14:27
schestowitzyeahDec 13 14:27
Diablo-D3http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3347520Dec 13 14:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Except Netflix is dropping the Silverlie plugin support for their own plugin tha... | Hacker News .::. Size~: 3.51 KBDec 13 14:29
Diablo-D3mod that up tooDec 13 14:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Miguel de Icaza works for Microsoft, and Microsoft has extended Mono developers..." http://ur1.ca/6nwh9Dec 13 14:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Miguel de Icaza works for Microsoft, and Microsoft has extended Mono developers ... | Hacker News .::. Size~: 4.18 KBDec 13 14:29
schestowitzlinked, I don't have an account thereDec 13 14:29
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/146591801212538881?iid=am-133564127713237851838604851&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208Dec 13 14:29
TechrightsBot-tr@Metztli_IT: ♺ @schestowitz The #Goldman Saching of Europe http://t.co/XfOTUydH unregulated #greed leads to malicious #irresponsibility towards societiesDec 13 14:29
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Diablo-D3schestowitz: get an account thereDec 13 14:29
Diablo-D3its much worth itDec 13 14:29
schestowitznot reallyDec 13 14:30
Diablo-D3a lot of tech startup people read HNDec 13 14:30
schestowitzrightDec 13 14:30
Diablo-D3as in, people with money who spend it on Linux.Dec 13 14:30
schestowitzBut I don't participate in that siteDec 13 14:30
Diablo-D3but you shouldDec 13 14:30
Diablo-D3you need to promote FOSS everywhere, royDec 13 14:30
Diablo-D3its your job nowDec 13 14:30
Diablo-D3nay, its your duty!Dec 13 14:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] New data said to narrow hunt for 'God' particle (AP): http://bit.ly/tIqiiDDec 13 14:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Associated Press: New data said to narrow hunt for 'God' particle .::. Size~: 35.98 KBDec 13 14:31
*Diablo-D3 plays patriotic music and waves a flag back and forthDec 13 14:31
schestowitzI don't read HNDec 13 14:31
schestowitzNot yet anywayDec 13 14:32
Diablo-D3some of the best links I link to come from HNDec 13 14:32
Diablo-D3I also have a pretty high HN karmaDec 13 14:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Neoconservatives Planned Regime Change Throughout the Middle East and Northern Africa 20 Years Ago - #usa #mic #nato http://goo.gl/k4H9cDec 13 14:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Neoconservatives Planned Regime Change Throughout the Middle East and Northern Africa 20 Years Ago .::. Size~: 56.75 KBDec 13 14:32
Diablo-D3schestowitz: basically, if you dont help mod me up, then the Microsofties will try to mod me down.Dec 13 14:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] 30 years ago Martial Law was declared in !Poland: ur1.ca/6nwid today, we support and cheer others in their fight for freedoms #freeAlaaDec 13 14:34
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcXd2kApGmA&feature=digest_monDec 13 14:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: New  York Janitors Join Occupy Wall Street       - YouTube .::. Size~: 114.38 KBDec 13 14:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Higgs boson should have no immediate effect on quantum computing --"the energy scales are so vastly different." -UofV Prof Olivier PfisterDec 13 14:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Carrier IQ Releases a Report, FBI is Silent | xda-developers http://goo.gl/dYSNrDec 13 14:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Carrier IQ Releases a Report, FBI is Silent | xda-developers .::. Size~: 42.67 KBDec 13 14:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Higgs discovery could save supersymmetry http://ping.fm/FJQpKDec 13 14:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: New Scientist TV: Higgs discovery could save supersymmetry .::. Size~: 59.95 KBDec 13 14:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] New blog post: A primer for #Kolab 3.0 – and ways of getting involved http://is.gd/wxNbMW !KDEDec 13 14:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A primer for Kolab 3.0 – and ways of getting involved « freedom bits .::. Size~: 70.75 KBDec 13 14:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 13/12/2011: Red Hat 6.2, Helsinki Happy With Free Software http://ur1.ca/6nwsl #techrightsDec 13 14:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Links 13/12/2011: Red Hat 6.2, Helsinki Happy With Free Software | Techrights .::. Size~: 137.81 KBDec 13 14:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Allowing "acceptable ads" in Adblock Plus http://goo.gl/4DCkf What do we think? I'm still thinking…Dec 13 14:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Allowing acceptable ads in Adblock Plus .::. Size~: 8.3 KBDec 13 14:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[timbl/@timbl] Stop American Censorship http://ur1.ca/5qk5a #netrights #usa #humanrightsDec 13 14:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Stop American Censorship .::. Size~: 23.02 KBDec 13 14:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Holy guacamole, this conversation has gotten convoluted.Dec 13 14:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] RT @timbl Stop American Censorship http://ur1.ca/5qk5a #netrights #usa #humanrightsDec 13 14:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Stop American Censorship .::. Size~: 23.02 KBDec 13 14:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] U.S. military bases around the world: graphic | News | National Post - #usa #mic http://goo.gl/AzStvDec 13 15:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: U.S. military bases around the world: graphic | News | National Post .::. Size~: 73.92 KBDec 13 15:02
schestowitz"I'm using it on Fedora 16 and it rocks :D " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1031694Dec 13 15:09
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schestowitz"Different strokes for different folks, I guess. It is a beautiful DE, but I need it to be functional as well (at least for me). Personally, it just gets in the way. Hopefully the extensions framework will improve that, especially with the Frippery extensions. Still, I may just return to my Xfce comfort or even give the LXDE spin another go. It's been a while since I've tried LXDE and I'm curious to see how far it's come. "Dec 13 15:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] gotta love the numbers: $666K(!) research shows prayer does not heal AIDS ur1.ca/6nx9q !atheism #duhDec 13 15:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] How to deny DDoS attacks (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/uBTJU5Dec 13 15:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] I'm glad to have provided you this opportunity to promote yourself, but the point was more general.Dec 13 15:09
schestowitzDiablo-D3: still hatin' KDE?Dec 13 15:09
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schestowitz"@ClaudioM, that's really interesting how different things can be perceived. For me, it's like GNOME 3.x is the best thing that ever happened as it does *not* get in the way of my applications - it's as few DE as possible and still enough to help managing open(ing) applications :) "Dec 13 15:09
schestowitz"It just depends on the way you use it. I know it still has a long way to go but it's on a good road for it. I'm not saying it's the best DE ever, since there are many I haven't tried, but it's a good choice :) "Dec 13 15:09
schestowitzI tried GNOME 2.30 for a weekDec 13 15:09
schestowitzIt's decent, but it's no KDEDec 13 15:10
schestowitzAlso had some bugsDec 13 15:10
schestowitzfor dual headDec 13 15:10
Diablo-D3yes hate kdeDec 13 15:11
Diablo-D3schestowitz: also, who said gnome?Dec 13 15:11
Diablo-D3I use xfce dudeDec 13 15:11
Diablo-D3and btw, none of the DEs manage multiple headsDec 13 15:11
Diablo-D3they all use xinerama for itDec 13 15:11
Diablo-D3the X api to do that shitDec 13 15:11
Diablo-D3and gnome 2.x is xinerama awareDec 13 15:11
schestowitznot so well in my caseDec 13 15:12
schestowitzthe auto-hide thingDec 13 15:12
schestowitzDifferent screen sizesDec 13 15:12
Diablo-D3gnome 2.x is also outdatedDec 13 15:13
Diablo-D3schestowitz: and you probably just didnt set the right settings in the display control panelDec 13 15:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] HMV Stores in UK Use Ubuntu Powered Displays http://ur1.ca/6nxg8 #linuxDec 13 15:17
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1031694?all_comments=1 "I think the fact that there are so many extensions addressing things that have changed in GNOME 3 is proof that it's not quite there. KDE 4 went through the same thing, and with 4.2 is when I actually found it usable (and I was never much of a KDE fan with 3.x and older). Some of the ideas in Mint 12 might be the way to go, but we'll have to see once GNOME 3.x has matured enough. Dec 13 15:20
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schestowitzBut for right now, it's the square peg to my round hole."Dec 13 15:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Fist of Fun and Inland Empire DVDs arrived on the same day. Tonight's going to be interesting.Dec 13 15:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What's Going On In The Open-Source Doom 3 World http://ur1.ca/6nxnk #doomDec 13 15:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Where the Linux jobs are: http://ur1.ca/6nxz3 #linuxDec 13 15:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #LinuxMint 12 Lisa review - The moment of reckoning http://ur1.ca/6ny4m detailed.Dec 13 15:39
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schestowitz" http://www.tietoviikko.fi/msareena/msuutiset/kaikkiareenauutiset/openoffice+osoittautui+helsingissa+liian+vaikeaksi++tilalle+microsoft+officea/a736721 This finnish piece of "news" says that some of the officials are not happy with it. Cant open certain files and making presentations isnt possible and all that. Helsinki is now offering Microsoft Office to those who want it. So its not all positive. But still its amazing to read these, Dec 13 15:39
schestowitzas theres no positive news of this. Do I smell a conspiracy?"Dec 13 15:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: OpenOffice osoittautui Helsingissä liian vaikeaksi - tilalle Microsoft Officea -  Microsoft Areena             -   Tietoviikko .::. Size~: 217.56 KBDec 13 15:39
schestowitzAgenda is always sold by some in the PR industry, so...Dec 13 15:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] And if they pick MPL v2, will you feel the same way?Dec 13 15:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @forteller: Great! Welcome screen after upgrading #WordPress has an easy to spot tab with info on #Free Software and the 4 Freedoms!Dec 13 15:46
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1031694 "It seems to me like the stuff that gets added to GNOME 3 extension-wise is mostly through people who are too inflexible to adapt new paradigms. Could be just me, though. Even the early alphas versions were enough for me, if they had been stable, that is ;)"Dec 13 15:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The 10 Most Important Open Source Projects of 2011 http://is.gd/oRKz1B #freedom #linuxDec 13 15:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ultimate Edition Drops Ubuntu for #LinuxMint http://is.gd/8zZJwx #Debian makes #Ubuntu makes Mint makes Ultimate Edition. #gnu #linuxDec 13 15:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ultimate Edition 3.0 Drops Ubuntu for Linux Mint - Softpedia .::. Size~: 64.58 KBDec 13 15:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @telecomix: Interfax: An Invitation to Mr. Guttenberg, let's work together http://ur1.ca/6nydb #KTzG #nodisconnect #EUDec 13 15:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: An Invitation to Mr. Guttenberg | We Rebuild Interfax .::. Size~: 16.72 KBDec 13 15:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Manchester folks - please come to the Free Software Christmas Party 2011 http://ur1.ca/6nyl5 7pm tonightDec 13 16:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Your Creative Commons donation will be matched now thru Dec 25! Support freedom & sharing: http://ur1.ca/6nylzDec 13 16:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Charity begins at your homepage: The joys and pains of funding good will online | red.ht/v0YAfW #paypal #regretsyDec 13 16:02
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schestowitzre Google https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1030881 "They baited a lot of people in with promises of an open social network respecting privacy, and ended up not allowing pseudonyms and publicly stating that their aim was to be an identity service. "Dec 13 16:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Privacy fears as banks refuse opt out from NFC-enabled cards - IT News from V3.co.uk http://goo.gl/l0g2rDec 13 16:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] How ... interesting. http://ur1.ca/6nyntDec 13 16:04
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iophkhttp://www.pro-linux.de/news/1/17827/openofficeorg-stellt-helsinkis-beamte-zufrieden.htmlDec 13 16:05
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schestowitzdid you see " http://www.tietoviikko.fi/msareena/msuutiset/kaikkiareenauutiset/openoffice+osoittautui+helsingissa+liian+vaikeaksi++tilalle+microsoft+officea/a736721Dec 13 16:06
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iophkyesDec 13 16:06
schestowitzRetaliatory PR?Dec 13 16:07
iophkProbabaly.Dec 13 16:07
iophkhttp://fsfe.org/news/2011/news-20111213-01.en.htmlDec 13 16:08
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Helsinki city officials highly satisfied with Free Software .::. Size~: 8.57 KBDec 13 16:08
schestowitzMS will accentuate the negativesDec 13 16:09
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schestowitzImagine the Munificatiomn of .fiDec 13 16:09
schestowitzBallmer spent a lot of time derailing that in vainDec 13 16:09
schestowitzThey also did Bergen (.no)Dec 13 16:10
iophkNot just focus on the negative, in the retaliatory PR, they probably focus on one or two loud whiners.Dec 13 16:10
schestowitzand birminghamDec 13 16:10
schestowitzfamouslyDec 13 16:10
schestowitz!googl bergen linux iceDec 13 16:10
schestowitz!google bergen linux iceDec 13 16:10
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Bergen kills Linux migration plans | http://juha.saarinen.org/1191Dec 13 16:10
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Android (operating system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)Dec 13 16:10
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Bergen | Trond Kristiansen | http://www.trondkristiansen.com/%3Ftag%3DbergenDec 13 16:10
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Norway's second city embraces Linux | Application Development ... | http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/application-development/2004/06/15/norways-second-city-embraces-linux-39157677/Dec 13 16:10
schestowitzIn Mass. they exploited blind peopleDec 13 16:11
schestowitzUsing the disabled to sell shacklewareDec 13 16:11
schestowitzand hijacking their voiceDec 13 16:11
iophkThe screen reader software would have been made with *less* effort for FOSS.  It happens *in spite of* M$ anti-help.Dec 13 16:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] viaForensics claims !Google Wallet has security issues http://ow.ly/7XYGqDec 13 16:14
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schestowitzhttp://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Tomboys-Got-Some-Major-Note-Taking-Muscle-73908.htmlDec 13 16:14
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schestowitzubuntu has dumped itDec 13 16:14
iophkWhy are they shilling Mono?Dec 13 16:14
schestowitzwhat still uses it then? Does Mint use it?Dec 13 16:15
schestowitzThey don't mind the mono in ECTDec 13 16:15
iophkIt's gone from UbuntuDec 13 16:15
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iophkso it should follow soon from Mint it, if it hasn't alreadyDec 13 16:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Open source awareness growing, but misconceptions persist http://is.gd/8Tbri3 #opensource #asiaDec 13 16:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] A Case for Open-Source GPU Drivers http://ur1.ca/6nz02 #linaro #linuxDec 13 16:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Data.gov goes open source, first step in government being afraid of the people http://is.gd/H5AybP #opendataDec 13 16:21
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1031694Dec 13 16:21
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schestowitz"I have tried and I'm pretty open when it comes to things like that. There are numerous WMs that I love that are very different from the usual desktop metaphor (fluxbox, openbox, fvwm, etc.). I was also very fond of GNOME 3 but in using it I found myself forced to do things a certain way. It just seemed rather inflexible. KDE 4 also had some major changes and I was more open to that. In fact, I fell in love with KDE once 4.2 came out Dec 13 16:21
schestowitzand I only tolerated previous versions of it. It's just too heavy on my netbook to run. I think I would even like the tiling WMs if I actually gave them a chance. So long as it makes me more efficient, I'm all for change. But I don't feel that with GNOME 3.x yet."Dec 13 16:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] CC Sweden (@ccsverige) re-launches their website w/the question: who are we? (Swedish) http://bit.ly/uAfdycDec 13 16:24
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cubezzzeveryone's going xfce these daysDec 13 16:30
cubezzzI do use kooka a lot thoughDec 13 16:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] HAHA ! http://ur1.ca/6nz7eDec 13 16:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #MegaGlest 3.6.0 Released with New Features http://is.gd/PEOhxy won't make you nacreous like #OpenArena made me this weekDec 13 16:31
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schestowitzcubezzz: why everyone though?Dec 13 16:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Had the privilege of seeing Mr. Plummer as Caesar as a magnificent Caesar and Cleopatra @Stratford a few years ago http://ur1.ca/6nz74 #BdayDec 13 16:32
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cubezzzwell probably not everyone, but it's definitely a trendDec 13 16:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] GNOME 3 Extensions: Making the desktop crazy easy http://is.gd/0ua8gH just used GNOME for a week, it's no KDE4...Dec 13 16:34
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cubezzzI'm using a combination of icewm with parts of xfceDec 13 16:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @htgamal: Please RT: CALL OUT FOR SCIENTISTS IN EGYPT THAT CAN HELP WITH TEAR GAS ANALYSIS - http://t.co/elImh1ua #Egypt #teargas #scienceDec 13 16:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] CA Senator Steinberg to unveil legislation to require free online college textbooks today @11am PST: http://bit.ly/uDDCdNDec 13 16:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Ooh, raw Russian Elections data is on-line! Krzysztof Trzewiczek, maybe it's something for Raw Salad? :D http://ur1.ca/6nzmyDec 13 16:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The cesspool which is "Hotmail" caused me a _lot_ of trouble this month, falsely flagging many messages and ruining a friendship as a resultDec 13 16:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Dutch Collection Society Found To Be Source Of Infringing Content - http://bit.ly/tR98ge I predict this will run & run #hypocrisyDec 13 16:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Btrfs and new file system structure agreed for Fedora 17 http://is.gd/M9oabK #fedora #redhat #gnu #linuxDec 13 16:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Probably /usr/gnu/bin/ or something hideous like that.Dec 13 16:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] KDE Makes 4.8 Beta2 Available for Testing http://ur1.ca/6nzut #kdeDec 13 16:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Augh! HP is like the bad branch of the family that comes over to Christmas dinner already fighting and drags everyone else into it.Dec 13 16:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] hey @panko quieres upgradear avatares? xD http://identi.ca/attachment/62341973Dec 13 16:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Busted: BitTorrent Pirates at Sony, Universal and Fox - http://bit.ly/vgu2Kn NB: "if it’s so easy to spoof an IP-address" - important pointDec 13 17:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] My new Desktop Distro: #Fedora 16 http://is.gd/pY5LCp #gnu #linuxDec 13 17:01
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1031694Dec 13 17:01
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schestowitz"I have tried and I'm pretty open when it comes to things like that. There are numerous WMs that I love that are very different from the usual desktop metaphor (fluxbox, openbox, fvwm, etc.). I was also very fond of GNOME 3 but in using it I found myself forced to do things a certain way. It just seemed rather inflexible. KDE 4 also had some major changes and I was more open to that. In fact, I fell in love with KDE once 4.2 came out Dec 13 17:01
schestowitzand I only tolerated previous versions of it. It's just too heavy on my netbook to run. I think I would even like the tiling WMs if I actually gave them a chance. So long as it makes me more efficient, I'm all for change. But I don't feel that with GNOME 3.x yet."Dec 13 17:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @ErinALynch: It's on! #EU campaign for #opendata launched: http://t.co/L7lGu7Zr "Data is gold... let’s http://p.ost.im/p/eUf4ncDec 13 17:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Pressure for EU #netneutrality rules - http://bbc.in/tjgGfS European Council of Ministers joins the club (v @coadec)Dec 13 17:02
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/86801861Dec 13 17:02
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Dec-11 16:31:10 UTC - Identi.ca: The Kickoff Application Launcher For KDE http://ur1.ca/6nz98 #kde #gnu #linuxDec 13 17:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] europe's public data - http://bit.ly/rMKSEH promising-looking site #opendata #euDec 13 17:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] No #Copyright Intended: The Coming Generation Who Intrinsically Assumes Remix & Sharing Makes Sense - http://bit.ly/vfoK4D why (c) is doomedDec 13 17:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Under Industry Pressure, USDA Works to Speed Approval of #Monsanto's #GM Crops - http://bit.ly/sWYFNd rubber stamping much?Dec 13 17:09
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schestowitz"hahaha top job is Java. No self respecting *nix bod is going to sell their soul and write java apps surely?" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1032012Dec 13 17:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I was ill from Tuesday to Saturday last week. Nasty flu, although @majnoona told me that we don't have flu in Montreal.Dec 13 17:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @kevie: Yay, I'm finally back online \o/Dec 13 17:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] http://identi.ca/url/62342637 So I guess I'm a victim of (DUN DUN DUN) the dreaded ILI.Dec 13 17:12
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schestowitzEveryone in my family uses Java. At school, even my 15 year old sister uses Eclipse (and Linux Mint).Dec 13 17:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Also known as: flu-like symptoms. Could be anything from heart attack to cholera to clinical depression. EVERYTHING has flu-like symptoms.Dec 13 17:14
schestowitzhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/linux-mint-swap-banshee-affiliate-code-take-100-of-profits/Dec 13 17:18
schestowitzahaDec 13 17:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Linux Mint Swap Banshee Affiliate Code, Take 100% of Profits .::. Size~: 292.12 KBDec 13 17:18
schestowitzso that's another reason for Mint to bundle this rubbish.. ping iophkDec 13 17:18
iophkEconomic ties would be a conflictDec 13 17:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] More prove that Microsoft Windows lusers are the *REAL* "Freetards" #droidrage How Low wil you go? #prostitutionDec 13 17:19
iophkThey should just drop the junk.Dec 13 17:19
schestowitzcanonical took a major pr hit when accepting this trap last yeatDec 13 17:20
schestowitza year later they changed their mind, tooDec 13 17:20
schestowitz!google debacle banshee ubuntuDec 13 17:20
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iophkClementine and Rhythmbox are much better.Dec 13 17:20
schestowitzMint also uses or used gnome-doDec 13 17:20
schestowitzIIRC, its dev still works for canonicalDec 13 17:20
schestowitzI used Mint 10 on SaturdayDec 13 17:21
schestowitzIt's coming with monoDec 13 17:21
iophkI'm looking at Mint12 right now.Dec 13 17:21
schestowitzhttp://www.internetnews.com/blog/skerner/still-uses-linux-everyday.htmlDec 13 17:23
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schestowitzboo hooDec 13 17:23
schestowitziophk: classic edition so to speak?Dec 13 17:23
schestowitzI heard they don't officially do some of their older flavoursDec 13 17:23
schestowitzDiablo-D3: ""In the Linux world, Mono was always the subject of a huge anti-Microsoft debate," De Icaza told me. "One thing that has magically vanished from my life is participation in Internet flame fests about how evil Microsoft is, so now I can actually focus on products and not flame wars." "Dec 13 17:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Apply for the 2012 Google Policy Fellowship with Creative Commons - http://goo.gl/7Mw5F ht @googlepubpolicyDec 13 17:24
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1032304 "Very interesting article, and seems quite balanced."Dec 13 17:24
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iophkCanonical should seek revenue away from M$ products.Dec 13 17:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laforge/@laforge] seems like it's not really possible to have hierarchical behaviours in #erlang (gen_server->my_behaviour->user_module) :(Dec 13 17:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Contagion - http://bit.ly/v8hucK a little, er, depressing #resilienceDec 13 17:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Ebooks must stay fat with VAT, blame the EU, MPs told - http://bit.ly/snhtKc really stupidDec 13 17:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Bruce Byfield writers about himself http://is.gd/zvCWG0 "people who contribute nothing to the software they use"Dec 13 17:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Taiwan Looks To Join #ACTA - http://bit.ly/roZ4Ur bonkersDec 13 17:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Is it a keystroke logger? Some facts about Carrier IQ's architecture: https://eff.org/r.5KhDec 13 17:29
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iophkMint 12 still is afflicted with Banshee, but that's about it.  If the next versions follows Ubuntu 12.04, then it should become clean, too.Dec 13 17:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Apply for the 2012 Google Policy Fellowship with Creative Commons - http://bit.ly/sNJu53 not sure whether this is US only...Dec 13 17:37
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koolhead17schestowitz how r u sirDec 13 17:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clackemovedtoparlementumnet/@clackemovedtoparlementumnet] RT @evan Seriously growing to hate the amorphous "open source community" moniker. I prefer "freedom guerrillas".Dec 13 17:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] The Chinese are coming! #MediaTek and #Opera in partnership > http://nd.gd/05h @nj3ma @kelzOKO @fredmanglis @dennismungai #Shanzai #TecnoDec 13 17:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] PC-BSD 9.0-RC2 now Available http://ur1.ca/6o0z5 #bsd #unixDec 13 17:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] http://ur1.ca/6o18u yea, I'm a male modelDec 13 17:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] We may have glimpsed the Higgs boson, say Cern scientists http://ping.fm/KHkGTDec 13 17:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] New Study Concludes Math Gender Gap Is Cultural, Not Biological (Slashdot): http://bit.ly/ueg1ghDec 13 17:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ubuntu at HMV Stores, Ultimate Edition 3.0 Swaps Ubuntu http://ur1.ca/6o1v2 #techrightsDec 13 18:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] No Disconnect – a response to issues raised - http://bit.ly/vKNVRN wow: @NeelieKroesEU responds to criticism of Guttenberg (v @netzpolitik)Dec 13 18:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] In response to a recent @WashingtonPost op-ed by MPAA's Floyd Abrams, some evidence-based #SOPA analysis: https://eff.org/r.3KkDec 13 18:24
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XFaCEProg rock hour :DDec 13 18:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] First Draft of CSS Exclusions and Shapes Module Level 3 Published http://ow.ly/1g9DnoDec 13 18:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Two Widgets Specifications Published: Widget Access Request Policy; Widget Interface http://ow.ly/1g9DnnDec 13 18:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] First Draft Published of The PROV Ontology: Model and Formal Semantics http://ow.ly/1g9DnpDec 13 18:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Seven Web Services Specifications are Recommendations http://ow.ly/1g9DnmDec 13 18:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] why it is better to let a machine answer the phone at 2 in the morning http://googlebutter.com/Dec 13 18:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Where are IT innovations coming from? asks @colin_dodd | http://red.ht/sO9xeR #opensourceDec 13 19:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Tuesday's security updates http://ur1.ca/6o3myDec 13 19:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] WordPress 3.3 "Sonny" adds new media uploader (H): http://bit.ly/sdhHS1Dec 13 19:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] WebSockets becomes proposed IETF standard (H): http://bit.ly/ryciojDec 13 19:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Three greatest successes in !Linux world 2011 - Linux notes from DarkDuck http://goo.gl/HiO6P « Surprising, maybeDec 13 19:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Sweden will grant extradition of Assange to US if not stopped by international political pressure http://t.co/nNufzkgEDec 13 19:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @openattitude An especially good episode… Audio #Podcast 116: MegaMutiny | TVO.org http://bit.ly/vNmVU8 via @jessebrown & @tvo on Tw ...Dec 13 19:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @openattitude Busted: BitTorrent Pirates at Sony, Universal and Fox | TorrentFreak http://bit.ly/w3f0Md #dys164Dec 13 19:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @openattitude I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent... | TorrentFreak http://ur1.ca/6ko1dDec 13 19:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] blogged: Christopher Plummer and !Copyright http://www.ur1.ca/6o3xuDec 13 19:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is jpope from micro.jpope.org with 73 dents!Dec 13 19:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Google Maps Street View Of Famous Album Covers (BuzzFeed): http://bit.ly/uL9HFcDec 13 19:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Busted: !BitTorrent Pirates at Sony, Universal & Fox | TorrentFreak http://goo.gl/tG2XK !copyrightDec 13 19:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Julian Assange on The New York Times & Guardian betrayal of Bradley Manning Part 6 http://t.co/rftGWIh3 #freebradDec 13 19:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Registration for W3C Online Course on Mobile Web; Early Bird Registration Through 9 January http://ow.ly/1g9GuxDec 13 19:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] You wish penises could do that...worm locomotion 101 http://bit.ly/skY6IdDec 13 19:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @openattitude I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent... | TorrentFreak http://ur1.ca/6ko1dDec 13 19:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] PopCap brings Bejeweled to Google !Chrome web store, Plants vs. Zombies to !Android from The Next Web by Harrison Weber http://ow.ly/7YieUDec 13 19:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Microsoft tempts bitter !Android users with free Windows Phone 7 devices from Android Community by Michael Crider http://ow.ly/7YhWGDec 13 19:50
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_Goblinkari: just read your post on COLA.Dec 13 19:54
_Goblinkari: Interesting, but personally not something I agree with.Dec 13 19:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz seems crippleware is what it's devolved too for the most part. But it was never free.Dec 13 19:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] By MPL v2 I mean the new license just submitted to OSI for approval, not the existing v1.x family.Dec 13 19:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] RT @x11r5 @mray That was the reason to bug mr squidDec 13 20:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz Creators must be able to choose. Removing choice will deter creators. I've no doubt the market will teach which licenses work best.Dec 13 20:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] With fingernails; no solvents needed. Perhaps three years of lab dust helps ;)Dec 13 20:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Yes, they do; at first I covered the sticker on my laptop with a !gnu sticker, but after a while it fell off (helped by my kids)Dec 13 20:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Thanks for posting the link -- my 5yo will love thisDec 13 20:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Busted: #BitTorrent Pirates at #Sony, #Universal & #Fox http://goo.gl/FJZsw - "my IP was spoofed" seems a good universal excuseDec 13 20:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @telecomix: Interfax: An Invitation to Mr. Guttenberg, let's work together http://t.co/2P9KAXjN #KTzG #n http://p.ost.im/p/eyUVPqDec 13 20:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: No disconnect press release – in Arabic http://t.co/f0bYgW2m http://p.ost.im/p/eyNwDFDec 13 20:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] will we hear those corps demand that "no excuses, we MUST be cut off from the Internet as a deterrent" #notlikely #hipocrisyDec 13 20:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Apple may be using patent troll to do its legal dirty work http://ow.ly/7XY96Dec 13 20:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] A Problem Worse Than Piracy? The Ridiculous Structure Of Online Music Licensing Deals http://goo.gl/XbT3dDec 13 20:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @thistleweb A Problem Worse Than Piracy? The Ridiculous Structure Of Online Music Licensing Deals http://goo.gl/XbT3dDec 13 20:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU tries to render emerging Treaty for the #Blind useless - http://bit.ly/szZcd9 shameful, disgusting behaviour (v @mgeist)Dec 13 20:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Nordic award given to CC artist @Tonefromdenmark! http://bit.ly/uu4Pxk (Danish) Listen here: http://bit.ly/rDyfSY #CC BY-NC-SADec 13 20:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Agreed. My problem is the idea of removing the choices CC licenses offer creators. Taking ND and/or NC out of the mix is a bad idea.Dec 13 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] HuffPo launches a book club around augmented reading - http://bit.ly/vjtIts actually a reasonable ideaDec 13 20:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] blogged: !Copyright and Sharing Music http://www.ur1.ca/6o534 !CDNpoli !C11Dec 13 20:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] okay... two !copyright posts today ... I'd best unplug because I need to stop blogging & get back to resolving !selfPub issuesDec 13 20:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] so ... time zone appropriate farewells for the moment !tzafDec 13 20:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Help test the first #Wikipedia visual editor developer prototype - http://bit.ly/rGLhlk oooh, excitingDec 13 20:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] An update on the Ada Initiative http://ur1.ca/6o5lwDec 13 20:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Is Android Open? Not So Much, Study Finds http://ur1.ca/6o5n2Dec 13 20:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Developers still supporting #iOS three times more than #Android - http://bit.ly/svUhgo which means more than 3x the competition...Dec 13 21:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Oh Look, I've Done 40,000 Techdirt Blog Posts - http://bit.ly/ue4NDK saith @mmasnick: I think the rest of us may as well give up now...Dec 13 21:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] The best way to get value from data is to give it away, via @jwyg - http://goo.gl/hoZ4f #PSI #EuropeDec 13 21:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Sorry, Deniers, Study of “True Global Warming Signal” Finds “Remarkably Steady” Rate of Manmade Warming Since 1979 - http://bit.ly/sVZRsrDec 13 21:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Bank says no? Ditch the bank – borrow from the crowd - tech - 12 December 2011 - New Scientist - #crowdfunding http://goo.gl/bYrcxDec 13 21:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] November 2011 Progress Report: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/november-2011-progress-reportDec 13 21:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: November 2011 Progress Report | The Tor Blog .::. Size~: 13.52 KBDec 13 21:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MT @DirDigEng @SilvanavF: #OpenData Catalogue from #Colombia- Catalogo de Datos Publicos de Colombia: bit.ly/szxDW4 #opengovDec 13 21:42
_GoblinHi lenngray!Dec 13 21:47
_GoblinAnyone know who lenngray is?Dec 13 21:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] No it wasn't Free. It wasn't NC though. Even "NC users" were expected to pay after the time limit.Dec 13 21:48
_Goblinif not I'd guess its the Frank Microsoft Advocate from COLA....Dec 13 21:48
_Goblinlenngray: you there? Yoohoo....Dec 13 21:49
_Goblingoing once...Dec 13 21:50
_Goblingoing twice.....Dec 13 21:50
*_Goblin has kicked lenngray from #techrights (lenngray)Dec 13 21:50
_Goblinand goneDec 13 21:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why you need a Global Brand - http://bit.ly/t0xWqJ horrible way of putting it, but absolutely spot on... #reputation #businessmodelsDec 13 21:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Why you need a Global Brand - Global Guerrillas .::. Size~: 69.09 KBDec 13 21:50
_GoblinIf he wants to come back and is not frank, he can talk......no point in idling if you are not even paying attention to the channel.Dec 13 21:51
_Goblinhe won't miss muchDec 13 21:51
MinceRhe might be temporarily idle and at other times just listeningDec 13 21:52
MinceRbut i don't follow COLA so i have no idea who Lenny Gray or Frank could beDec 13 21:52
MinceR:>Dec 13 21:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] wow: *China* denounced #Canada's decision to pull out of #Kyoto as "preposterous" - http://bit.ly/tol9xQ things are moving fast...Dec 13 21:55
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Canada condemned at home and abroad for pulling out of Kyoto treaty | Environment | The Guardian .::. Size~: 110.45 KBDec 13 21:55
_GoblinMinceR: It seems strange that the other night when Roy returned and started talking about TB, almost immediately in COLA a post about TechBytes was made by Frank... since that handle was present then and is new...I can only best guess.Dec 13 21:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Britain is ruled by the banks, for the banks | Comment is free | The Guardian - #uk #bankinsystem http://goo.gl/3FsHGDec 13 22:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] How to connect to a private #Tor bridge over IPv6: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2011-December/003113.htmlDec 13 22:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Britain is ruled by the banks, for the banks | Comment is free | The Guardian .::. Size~: 271.74 KBDec 13 22:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [tor-dev] How to try out the new shiny IPv6 bridge support .::. Size~: 4.53 KBDec 13 22:00
MinceRgnDec 13 22:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @x11r5: @agentsmith I'm currently in the wind?Dec 13 22:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EFSA Admits Bt Maize Threat to Butterflies, Gives Green Light Regardless - http://bit.ly/uAFfUC clearly, the War on Butterflies must succeedDec 13 22:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: GM Freeze | News releases .::. Size~: 17.07 KBDec 13 22:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] yes, all worryingDec 13 22:20
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1032489 "It is part of Microsoft..."Dec 13 22:21
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1033110Dec 13 22:22
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schestowitzGot the right thing up now :-)Dec 13 22:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] I am not so sure. Something needs improving. Still see "released under a CC license" - still see NC called Open, etc.Dec 13 22:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] digiKam 2.4.0 is out http://ur1.ca/6o81h #kdeDec 13 22:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Job opening: CSISAC Community Manager and Liaison to @OECD. Apply by Dec 31st - https://eff.org/r.4KnDec 13 22:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: digiKam 2.4.0 improves histogram view - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 40.82 KBDec 13 22:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: CSISAC:  Civil Society Information Society Advisory Council .::. Size~: 19.09 KBDec 13 22:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The GPL and distributing binaries http://ur1.ca/6o82l #gpl #freeswDec 13 22:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The GPL and distributing binaries « Colin Walters .::. Size~: 48.5 KBDec 13 22:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Louvre using Drupal http://ur1.ca/6o85b #drupal #gpl #franceDec 13 22:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Louvre using Drupal | Dries Buytaert .::. Size~: 13.59 KBDec 13 22:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #FBI Admits That It Uses #CarrierIQ For Law Enforcement Purposes; Won't Say How http://goo.gl/ZZ83lDec 13 22:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle: FBI Admits That It Uses Carrier IQ For Law Enforcement Purposes; Won't Say How | Techdirt .::. Size~: 55.72 KBDec 13 22:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 7 Plasma Widgets To Make Your KDE More Social http://ur1.ca/6o8lx #kdeDec 13 23:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 7 Plasma Widgets To Make Your KDE More Social .::. Size~: 52.46 KBDec 13 23:00
schestowitz"Bill Gates could probably buy a dozen royal families. This merger is going to be ugly. I'd rather have my democracy back. " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1029761Dec 13 23:05
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schestowitz"The wrong person is shown doing the work." https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1029725Dec 13 23:06
schestowitzIndeed.Dec 13 23:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] okular can view ODT files, though it doesn't seem to support ODP or ODSDec 13 23:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Passionate about Internet and tech policy? Apply for the Google Policy Fellowship with @EFF https://eff.org/r.3KpDec 13 23:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Google Policy Fellowship .::. Size~: 6.48 KBDec 13 23:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] whoohoo, I got the icons working on#Crunchbang on the netbook system tray, twas an odd issue which fixed itself - now reluctant to touch itDec 13 23:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Who needs SOPA when it takes a year to recover mistakenly seized domains? http://identi.ca/url/62361241 !effDec 13 23:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Universal: artists didn't give consent to appear in Megaupload video http://identi.ca/url/62361263 !effDec 13 23:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] for some reason it refused to take the change of icon theme no matter what I did, even stuck across reboots; maybe it just needed timeDec 13 23:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Who needs SOPA when it takes a year to recover mistakenly seized domains? - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 26.61 KBDec 13 23:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Universal: artists didn't give consent to appear in Megaupload video - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 26.65 KBDec 13 23:15
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Firefox-is-bursting-at-the-seams-1393772.htmlDec 13 23:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Firefox is bursting at the seams  - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 40.41 KBDec 13 23:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Megaupload will sue Universal http://identi.ca/url/62361346 !effDec 13 23:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] #Dart - the #VBScript of 2010's ur1.ca/6o8xi ur1.ca/6o8xl ur1.ca/6o8xn ur1.ca/6o8xp let's not let this happen. !webdevDec 13 23:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Megaupload will sue Universal - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 25.98 KBDec 13 23:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Will neuroscience revolutionise the law? http://ow.ly/7XYd5Dec 13 23:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Will neuroscience revolutionise the law? « UK Human Rights Blog .::. Size~: 92.9 KBDec 13 23:20
cubezzzhmm, opensuse peaked in 2006 and it's been declining mostly since thenDec 13 23:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Swedish Prime Minister's statements on Julian Assange go missng http://t.co/XzCtWBZnDec 13 23:30
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schestowitzhey mikeDec 13 23:31
Guest90452helloDec 13 23:31
schestowitzlunch manana?Dec 13 23:31
Guest90452pingDec 13 23:33
schestowitzpongDec 13 23:34
schestowitzsee personal messageDec 13 23:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Thanks! Grass roots Free Assange Now campaign from Liberte http://t.co/zcry9u8GDec 13 23:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Why Firefox Isn't Doomed http://ur1.ca/6o9gh #mozillaDec 13 23:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Why Firefox Isn't Doomed .::. Size~: 42.66 KBDec 13 23:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Open Source: A GUI Minimalist Tries #e17 http://ur1.ca/6o9hm #gnu #linuxDec 13 23:43
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Open Source: A GUI Minimalist Tries e17 « The ERACC Web Log .::. Size~: 113.97 KBDec 13 23:43
Diablo-D3welpDec 13 23:52
Diablo-D3the microsofties wonDec 13 23:52
Diablo-D3no one came to the rescueDec 13 23:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] personally, I view the non-Free cc licences as a mistake from the break. at this point it seems education will not do it. it may have beforeDec 13 23:55

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