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| schestowitz | "*facepalm* " "#win! " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1134318 | Jan 05 09:36 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Jan 05 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 05 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > I saw your comment on techrights.org, and I think you misunderstood the tenor of the presentation. My background is Free Software development (in KDE, since 1996), where I was also a board member for a long time, and the FSFE, where I advocate Free Software. I present to business students to make them aware that when they learn about IP in management classes, they only hear the old school values of patents, trademark, copyright et | Jan 05 10:59 |
| schestowitz | cetera and that there is a whole new school of openness and freedom. So the fact that the title has IP and Open Source alone does not make it propaganda for IP in FLOSS, it is rather the opposite. | Jan 05 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 05 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > Do you think this should be clarified? I would like to approve the backlink, but it always looks strange if I have to followup with a comment saying "this is a misunderstanding". | Jan 05 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 05 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > We could chat on IRC if you like, my nick is miroslav on freenode. | Jan 05 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 05 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > Cheers, | Jan 05 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 05 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > Mirko. | Jan 05 10:59 |
| schestowitz | Oh, my sincere apologies for that. I believe it was someone from the FFII was linked to it and looking just at the surface I saw "IP" and other terms that I thought were intended to reinforce those notions that we try to avoid :-) | Jan 05 10:59 |
| schestowitz | Is there a presentation that helps misspell myths that we can post with credit to you and make up for the misunderstanding? | Jan 05 10:59 |
| oiaohm | Opps | Jan 05 11:00 |
| oiaohm | Vids do need better taging. | Jan 05 11:00 |
| oiaohm | I alway recommend people start with a first slide of exactly who they are. | Jan 05 11:01 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Jan 05 11:01 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I'll chat to him and see how it goes | Jan 05 11:01 |
| oiaohm | Mirko is a fairly nice person. | Jan 05 11:02 |
| oiaohm | So as long as you put up something resonable there should be no issue. | Jan 05 11:02 |
| oiaohm | Most likely a correcton at were the video was include on your site. | Jan 05 11:02 |
| schestowitz | it was not a video | Jan 05 11:05 |
| schestowitz | merely a link | Jan 05 11:05 |
| schestowitz | I | Jan 05 11:05 |
| schestowitz | I can post something new to clarify this | Jan 05 11:05 |
| schestowitz | You toko got accused of being a MS shill | Jan 05 11:06 |
| schestowitz | Because sometimes we criticise elements within our own circles | Jan 05 11:06 |
| oiaohm | I would recommend sending what you are planing to put. | Jan 05 11:06 |
| oiaohm | I get thought as being 100 percent pro FOSS due to quote you do of me. | Jan 05 11:07 |
| oiaohm | I don't mind that. | Jan 05 11:07 |
| oiaohm | Its funny when the haters finally work out that I am a mixture of closed and open source. | Jan 05 11:07 |
| oiaohm | Completely confuses them. | Jan 05 11:07 |
| schestowitz | why not/ Same here... | Jan 05 11:09 |
| schestowitz | actually, Apple's attacks on Linux help remove the myth of Linux folks being against MS just because it's MS | Jan 05 11:09 |
| oiaohm | Really lot of my hate comes from how the BSA and equal auditors act for MS. | Jan 05 11:10 |
| oiaohm | I don't like have to keep stacks of paperwork just so I can prove that licenses are legal. | Jan 05 11:11 |
| schestowitz | Re: Comment on my presentation about FLOSS and IP | Jan 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz | > There will be, later. I will be teaching a course in the next semester about that topic. The last thing that was published was this interview: http://blogs.fsfe.org/fellowship-interviews/?p=477 | Jan 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 05 14:15 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Fellowship interview with Mirko Boehm « Fellowship Interviews .::. Size~: 27.73 KB | Jan 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz | > I think we should try to set this straight, and later when there is content about the course, I can notify you upfront so that you could use it for techrights. How's that? | Jan 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz | That sounds good. In a way, we try to convey the same message -- basically help the realisation that patent law is often incompatible with what's digitally sociable. | Jan 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > I hope that this email finds you well. | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > As someone who has read some of what I've written over the years, I wanted | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > to let you know that after much rewriting and polishing, I've just | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > published The Alexandria Project, the cybersecurity thriller that I posted | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > at my blog last year. Thousands of people read each weekly installment as | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > I posted it. It's now on sale in eBook form at Amazon and Barnes and | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > Noble, and will be available in soft and hardcover versions the first week | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > in February as well. You can read a few sample chapters here: | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > http://amzn.to/xo00rn | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > My reason for getting in touch is to ask whether you would like me to send | Jan 05 14:19 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Amazon.com: The Alexandria Project: A Tale of Treachery and Technology eBook: Andrew Updegrove: Kindle Store .::. Size~: 281.53 KB | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > you a free PDF copy of the book? There would be no obligation, but if you | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > enjoyed it and chose to mention it at your site or otherwise let folks | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > know about it, that would obviously be very welcome indeed. | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > No worries of course if your reading pile is already overflowing, and I | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > hope that your New Year is already off to a great start. | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > Best regards, | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > Andy | Jan 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz | > Ok, should I just Ok the backlink, and you comment on it? | Jan 05 14:51 |
| schestowitz | I have just tried to find that link that anchored with text that's critical. I looked under | Jan 05 14:51 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2011/12/28/marty-goetz-and-patent-lawyers/ | Jan 05 14:51 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2011/12/28/support-for-software-patents-in-europe/ | Jan 05 14:51 |
| schestowitz | and I cannot find it there. | Jan 05 14:51 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Patent Lawyers Push for Software Patents, Poorly | Techrights .::. Size~: 96.71 KB | Jan 05 14:51 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: EPO and Other Lawyers-dominated Circles Push for Software Patenting | Techrights .::. Size~: 102.76 KB | Jan 05 14:51 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/154937415646187520?iid=am-37902443013257749334317020&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208 | Jan 05 14:52 |
| TechrightsBot | @Metztli_IT: ♺ @schestowitz #Apache OpenOffice (Incubating) http://t.co/d6ad5udC #openoffice — basis for #IBM #Lotus #Symphony http://t.co/Ro1KqHzs #odf | Jan 05 14:52 |
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| schestowitz | > it is this one: | Jan 05 15:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 05 15:37 |
| schestowitz | > http://techrights.org/2011/12/19/microsoft-infiltrators-vs-gpl/ | Jan 05 15:37 |
| schestowitz | I have just modified it to remove confusion. | Jan 05 15:37 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Free Software/GPL FUD Arrives From Microsoft Infiltrators | Techrights .::. Size~: 94.37 KB | Jan 05 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1136202 "That's weird. The source code should tell you where it came from unless they stripped out comments or did something else anti-social with it." | Jan 05 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1136202 "When something apparently reasonable outrages me, it usually means that I need to think about it some more." | Jan 05 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | > Thanks, Roy. | Jan 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz | > I Oked the trackback. | Jan 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz | > Till next time :-) | Jan 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz | It's always embarrassing when a suspicion turns out to be in vain, but in this case, having read it again, it was not so much an accusation, just a sort of generalisation that did not understand intent. I am very sensitive to posts that say "IP" for example. :-) But we need to use those terms in order to shoot them down, I guess; a fight over language so to speak. I usually say "Intellectual Monopoly" (it's also a category in | Jan 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Techrights) :-) | Jan 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz | > I understand. IMO, the problem is that I need to bridge the Free Software and the business world, so I have to use vocabulary and concepts from both sides. Another issue is that, for example, while we say IP as a term is misleading and a wrong generalization of different concepts, it is commonly used in economics. For the students, questioning those concepts is rather suprising. | Jan 05 16:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 05 16:04 |
| schestowitz | > Being grouped together with M$ patent lobbyists is of course a shock for somebody like me, so I am happy this is resolved :-) | Jan 05 16:04 |
| schestowitz | That has happened to me too. When certain terms are used or hypothetical situations described, one is sometimes inclined to think wrongly, given lack of context in particular. Last week after I had made some headlines for a call for Apple boycott people suddenly labeled me "anti-Apple", just as they're used to terms like "anti-Novell" and "anti-Microsoft" (losing sight of the commonalities: patent aggression and proprietary). | Jan 05 16:04 |
| schestowitz | > Some more links: | Jan 05 17:12 |
| schestowitz | > http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57352766-92/ray-ozzie-starts-new-venture-cocomo/?tag=cnetRiver | Jan 05 17:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 05 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ray Ozzie starts new venture Cocomo | Business Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 71.31 KB | Jan 05 17:12 |
| schestowitz | > www.cocomo.com <http://www.cocomo.com> uses aspx. Something interesting | Jan 05 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot | Error processing the URL | Jan 05 17:12 |
| schestowitz | > why Roy go away from Microsoft? asp??? | Jan 05 17:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 05 17:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 05 17:12 |
| schestowitz | > Some interesting links: | Jan 05 17:12 |
| schestowitz | > http://sunset.usc.edu/csse/research/COCOMOII/cocomo_main.html | Jan 05 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | > http://www.softstarsystems.com/index.html | Jan 05 17:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 05 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Costar Software Estimation Tool based on COCOMO II, from Softstar Systems .::. Size~: 8.95 KB | Jan 05 17:12 |
| schestowitz | > Does this mean that Microsoft plan big technology buyout???? | Jan 05 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Ozzie was using Linux for his blog. I don't think Microsoft has made any big purchases except Skype recently. | Jan 05 17:12 |
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